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Biden Walks Back Comment on 'Terrible' Obama Ad

By Perry Bacon Jr.
Democratic vice-presidential nominee Sen. Joe Biden issued a statement late Tuesday attempting to clarify his comments that an ad the Obama campaign ran earlier this month was "terrible."

Biden, in an interview that aired Tuesday on CBS Evening News, had criticized an ad the Obama campaign released earlier this month that highlighted McCain's inability to use a computer, saying, "I thought that was terrible by the way" and "if I'd have had anything to do with it, we never would have done it."

The McCain campaign immediately attacked Obama, invoking Biden's words. "Barack Obama has brought the sleazy gutter politics of Chicago to our national stage, exposing his call for a 'new politics' as a lie and embarrassing even his own running mate with the low road campaign he's running," said McCain-Palin spokesman Brian Rogers in a statement.

But in the statement issued by the Obama campaign, Biden said he had never seen the ad and only read press reports of it.

"Having now reviewed the ad, it is even more clear to me that given the disgraceful tenor of Senator McCain's ads and their persistent falsehoods, his campaign is in no position to criticize," Biden said in the statement.

For Biden, whose candor and occasional verbal gaffes had worried some Democrats as he was been considered to run on the Democratic ticket, his initial criticism of the campaign ad was the first time he had formally reversed one of his comments, although he caught lots of attention for suggesting Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton might be have been a stronger vice-presidential choice.

Posted at 10:51 PM ET on Sep 22, 2008  | Category:  Joe Biden
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How ridiculous to expect a President to use a computer, clinton did not know anything of the functioning of a cruise missile, but he took out an aspirin factory killing an innocent watchman and maybe a tent at a suspected terrorist gathering. Stupid is as stupid does. Clinton used those multi million dollar instruments to take his Oval Office peccadilloes off the front page. I doubt very much that Dukakis could really drive a tank.

Posted by: Ray Tweedy | September 25, 2008 8:03 AM

PosterSmart Democrat??? I don't believe that I have met one of THEM for at least fifty years. That was when I bacame ashamed of my party and switched. JFK was the last dem for whom I voted. When Eisenhauer left office he had helped a group of patriots prepare for an invasion of Cuba. Kennedy let the poor guys land at the bAY OF pIGS AND THEN WITHHELD THE AIR SUPPORT THAT Ike had set up. Many of the invaders were slaughtered by castro. Some of those that survived were ransomed with farm machinery and medications by JFK attorney general. (his brother). Then came the "Cuban Missile Crisis", Khruschev wanted missiles removed that Ike had installed in Turkey. After all was said and done our leftist press proclaimed a victory for JFK> The missiles were removed with no fanfare after JFK blinked.

Posted by: Ray Tweedy | September 24, 2008 5:42 PM

I am a Mccain supporter, but I appreciate when candidates speak from the heart, and not off a script. Joe Biden said what he thought, and it just goes to show that the candidates are truly sick of the negative ads on both sides just as much as the american people. Campaign staff think the only way to lift yourself up, is to put others down, and in reality it's just the opposite. When you show some humility, people may not agree with you, but they respect you.

Posted by: Truth | September 24, 2008 9:07 AM

I think the point of the ads is being misinterpreted. With Identity Theft and computer hacking easily done (palin), we should all be thinking about who has the better handle on the internet and computer terrorism. With just a click, a young person was able to hack into e-mails of Sarah Palin. We all know that Osama bin Laden( and al Quaeda) uses the internet and computers to plan and deliver their nastiness towards the West. Don't we need a person in office w/ the savvy to understand how computers work?- My mother and mother-in-law don't even want to learn e-mail, don't want to learn how to use a debit card- many older people don't want to bother with new technology unless they need to.

With Mc Cain admitting that he's a newby to computer function, how can he understand when someone comes to him saying that the banking industry has been hacked into and the numbers played with starting a downward spiral of our economy? ( oh, wait, that can happen w/ deregulation) With just about everything being done by a computer of some sort these days, we need a president who is aware that we ARE in the 21st century and we have new threats to our country- ones that are technology based. I think it's a fair argument to look into how McCain deals with this topic. I mean, my teens know more about computers than I do, and McCain is 30 years older than me.

Posted by: my kids future | September 24, 2008 7:54 AM

The Obama campaign should consider itself blessed. Here we are a month or so after the Biden choice and Joe has only shot the campaign in the foot a handful of times.

I have complete faith however that as the campaign pressure ramps up there will be plenty more bigger and better Biden blowups.

Posted by: Paul | September 23, 2008 11:55 PM

Yes, the Alinsky style of 'community organizing' which Obama practiced and taught might be called rabble rousing. "Rub raw the sores of discontent" ... "It's about power" ... "Get rid of any do-gooders in your group."

It wasn't about organizing a whole community to get along with each other or to join in some worthwhile project. It was organizing some elements to get together and bully other elements -- as Obama has done in this campaign.

See quotes and cites from TNR, Chicago Trib, etc at http://clintondems.com/2008/09/obamasalinskys-community-organizing-about-power-many-articles/

Posted by: fsteele | September 23, 2008 11:05 PM

callitlikeiseeit said:

"but deficit spending like the looney Republican liberals for the past 8 years is, RIGHT? destroying the dollar through inflation (resulting from deficit spending) is, RIGHT?"

Excuse me, but the 'looney' Repubs haven't been in charge of congress for the past eight years...The Dems have been there too, and in charge for part of that time. Where where they the past 2 years? They could have done something last year when it was clear that banks were going to fail over the mortgage bust. And you can't blame Bush...the Prez is mostly just a glorified lobbyist...congress modifies the budget and has to approve it. They may not control troop movements, but they have the power over the economy.

Posted by: J | September 23, 2008 10:33 PM

sorry easy - didn't catch that spelling error. I hope you are as observant when your prospective VO candidate is speaking.

Unfortunately for you lefties, being a governor is executive experience - at least it was when clinton and carter ran.....

Being a community organizer means you are little more than a rabble rouser.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:29 PM

to the brave repugnacant who wouldn't use a name when posting this: "Actally, Palin has already had experience as an executive - and a commander in chief."

You can't spell...it's 'actually'....and i guess looking at Russia from your house is commander in chief experience....

geez, what a dunce!!

Posted by: easyenough | September 23, 2008 10:26 PM

Actally, Palin has already had experience as an executive - and a commander in chief.

If there will be OJT, it will be with the empty suit from Chicago.

Unless the presidency is no more than community organizing, that is.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:11 PM

The White House no place for on the job training...wait..isn't that what Palin would be spending most of her time doing?

OBAMA/BIDEN '08

Posted by: Smart Democrat | September 23, 2008 10:05 PM

I am not going to go into all the factual errors of the McCainiacs here. But there are a few worthy of note. I doubt that any one really thinks that if you don't use a computer and are handicapped you are stupid. I will say however, since I am using mine with a cast on my hand and arm, that I know for a fact that if you want to do it you can. It is the information about technology as well as economics, history, geography and a hoard of other subjects that John McCain has proven so ignorant of. And I might add a large percentage of supporters as well. Case in point..Sarah Palin was lying when she said the teleprompter was not working. I watched every minute of her speach although with a bucket beside me when I couldn't take more. It was visible even on the TV and there are several newsmen who were there and saw it as well. (2) she has repeatedly duplicated the lies about the bridge to nowhere junk and if you look, really look at her record, you will find her $500 billion pipeline contract is not required to be built, the plane was sold to a crony of her campaign at a loss and it certainly isn't too difficult to manage a state with a substantial budget. Yes she cut the budget, largely items related to unmarried mothers. In fact take a look at this weeks joke of an excuse for the troopergate firing. Then there are the total lies of the McCain campaign ads related to Raines. They know very well that the only support for that junk was a single reporter interview with someone who never met with Obama at all. No mention of names was made,because it is too easy to document. Frankly I don't know how you convince yourselves that you believe this crp when you can tape McCains speeches from week to week and see the lies and flip flops coming out of his own mouth, I can only presume that you convince yourselves of this because you just can't admit you have a stinking racial bias. Self honesty has to come first and from one who at one time respected McCain, let me say I don't know how he dares to say Country first when he made the Sarah Palin choice. I may not like some of the other choices but at least it was honorable.

Posted by: alexandra castle | September 23, 2008 9:48 PM

We can only hope that Biden continues to commit truths and finally blurts out the self-evident fact that the White House is no place for on the job training..... Oh, wait, he already DID say that!!

Posted by: j.a.m. | September 23, 2008 9:41 PM

Biden had a though of his own and expressed it. What a novel idea! Others on the campaign trail ought to try it!

Posted by: exco | September 23, 2008 9:24 PM

Mr.Biden is an excellent example of the Washington insider.He,like a lot of others,Democrat and Republican, have been in congress far too long.I am sure that when he was first elected,he did not know how to operate a computer.Which is clearly a stupid issue in the first place.All the young prople who spend two thirds of their lives posting on these boards are misguided in their belief that if you cant run a computer you are not intelligent.This is a waste of time.If Biden had not seen the ad,he should have simply have said that he hadnt seen it and therefore declined to comment.However I believe he had seen it or he would not have made the statement that he did.It is clear that he was taken to task for his comment,by the Obama handlers,and then lied to cover his goof up.Mr Obama,himself has blatantly lied time and again,and recieved a complete pass from the press and media.He sold the youth and elite on Hope and inspiration and a new kind of politica.The fact that they still dont see that they have been used says volumes about their lack of intelligence.John Mccain is a member of our retired veterans,a senior citizen and a brave and parriotic American.To diminish and demean this man is disgracful in the extreme.

Posted by: Nannie Turner | September 23, 2008 9:01 PM

What's up with Biden? He seems a little cloudy headed. With his comments on the ad, and then being confused about who was president during the depression ... sounds like he's auditioning for the next SNL skit.

Posted by: Funny stuff | September 23, 2008 8:40 PM

lonely - what is YOUR explanation for the looney things Biden says?

You DO think they are looney, don't you?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 7:42 PM

hey "ALEXh, RAISING TAXES IS NOT PATRIOTIC"

but deficit spending like the looney Republican liberals for the past 8 years is, RIGHT? destroying the dollar through inflation (resulting from deficit spending) is, RIGHT?
Killing innocent people by the hundreds of thousands is, RIGHT?
Ever look at your 401(k) assuming that you are gainfully employed? destroying the savings of hard working americans is, RIGHT?
Boy your sense of patriotism is wierd. Really. Republican all right. I, ME and MYself seems to be their mantra, not just DRILL baby drill.

Posted by: callitlikeiseeit | September 23, 2008 7:23 PM

Aspergirl needs to spend some quality time away from the teevee. Leave the telediagnosis to quacks like Dr. Charles Krauthammer and Dr. Bill Frist.

Posted by: Lonely Pedant | September 23, 2008 6:46 PM

snake, I feel confident about what Kennedy would do because he was an American patriot.

That today is something disgusting to mock and spit on by the left.

Shooting Americans? Well, I guess I overstated that. I suppose it does depend on your view of American, too, doesn't it?

In any case, I am sure he would have heartily approve of bit*h slaps all around. Just for pretending to be democrats.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 5:58 PM

The statements he makes are bizarre. The racial insults he hurls around are despicable.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 5:06 PM

I think that Biden had some kind of brain injury (stroke?) and recovered.

But his verbal behavior seems to show poor impulse control and poor self-auditing of his verbal behavior. I.e. it could be a cognitive dysfunction on his part keeping his subconscious mind from speaking freely at times.

This would not make him any worse or better than anyone else, just that he can't keep his subconscious and inner voices hidden as well as others might.

Since nothing nefarious or sinister seems to blurt out, it seems like a harmless trait.

I liked him better when he was telling the frank and noble truth about how inappropriate Obama's "computer cluelessness" ad was, than when he covered up his honesty with a lie.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 23, 2008 5:54 PM

Anonymous, I'm glad you think you know what JFK would do. I'm fairly confident he wouldn't shoot any Americans, that's a Republican sort of thing to do.

You are so unable to think for yourself that you parrot all the rightwingnut talking points.

I'm sure it's easy and comforting. You save all that hard work thinking.

Posted by: Snake in Wyo | September 23, 2008 5:51 PM

dbw, you read what you want to read. It was Phil Gramm, albeit with the nod of Bill Clinton, who fought for years and then achieved deregulation.

George W. Bush encouraged mortgage lenders to make rules for loans easier and so they did. He's run a deficit in the country, why shouldn't big corporations run deficits too, and look what happened.

Here's George Bush in 2002 encouraging more homeownership:

"A third major barrier is the complexity and difficulty of the home buying process. There's a lot of fine print on these forms. And it bothers people, it makes them nervous. And so therefore, what Mel has agreed to do, and Alphonso Jackson has agreed to do is to streamline the process, make the rules simpler, so everybody understands what they are -- makes the closing much less complicated."

Oh yeah, lenders made it easier all right. They didn't make the rules easier to read, they just assured people that they could afford the homes they wanted. They loaned when they knew people couldn't make the payments.

In turn companies like AIG loaned out lots of money because the returns looked good on paper.

You've listed names without a bit of proof about their roles. That's very Republibot of you.

Here's a snippet from one of Bush's speeches. How does this square with the socialist bailouts of the lenders?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/08/20070831-5.html

"A federal bailout of lenders would only encourage a recurrence of the problem. It's not the government's job to bail out speculators" George W. Bush, 2007

Posted by: Snake in Wyo | September 23, 2008 5:49 PM

snake, I feel your pain. You are a self described "progressive" liberal.

Not sure what progressive means, except that your types trot out every whacked out failed idea that has ever disgraced the human existence.

Not sure of liberal, either - since JFK would line all of you up and have you shot for being traitors.

But you are certainly no right winger.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 5:39 PM

Snake is a typical right winger who wouldn't know a socialist from a Presbyterian. All they can do is grunt and say anything bad is "socialist". It would be very easy to show that Democrats are not socialists, though they believe in social safety nets and equal opportunities. It would also be a piece of cake to show the similarities between the Dixiecrat-Republicans and the fascists of the early 20th century.

Posted by: vacymro | September 23, 2008 5:23 PM

Vacymro, you're an idiot. I am a liberal and a progressive. My posts are all about how this administration is socializing this country and the rightwingers are too dense to notice.

You, however, are in a class of your own. You should perhaps learn to read before posting.

Posted by: Snake in Wyo | September 23, 2008 5:34 PM

'Snake in Wyo' said:
"Well, thanks to your Republibots, the government is buying up businesses like crazy and you are paying for it."

Snake, just an itsy-bitsy problem with your assertion: Bush proposed possible fixes for Fannie/Freddie and/or regulating the financial services industry more than a dozen times since he took office, and was stonewalled by the Democrats every time.

Oh, and one more little problem with your Republicans-are-solely-to-blame nonsense:
- Jim Johnson
- Robert Rubin
- Larry Summers
- Austan Goolsbee
- Franklin Raines
- Laura Tyson
- Paul O'Neil
- Paul Volcker
- William Daley
- Sen Chris Dodd
- Rep Barney Frank

All were neck-deep in what created this mess, all are DEMOCRATS, and all are Obama advisors/supporters.

You awake yet, Snake?

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 5:34 PM

vacy - care to compare a certain WV senator with the KKK?

Care to comment on leftists goals to socialize medicine?

Hows that social security thing working out?

The same government that has allowed the raping of wall street wants to take over health care?

Safety nets? Ever heard of getting and keeping a job? Saving money?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 5:27 PM

Snake is a typical right winger who wouldn't know a socialist from a Presbyterian. All they can do is grunt and say anything bad is "socialist". It would be very easy to show that Democrats are not socialists, though they believe in social safety nets and equal opportunities. It would also be a piece of cake to show the similarities between the Dixiecrat-Republicans and the fascists of the early 20th century.

Posted by: vacymro | September 23, 2008 5:23 PM

All this is fun and certainly entertaining - but what about some rational debate on just what the hel* is wrong inside Biden's head?

The statements he makes are bizarre. The racial insults he hurls around are despicable.

Asking a paraplegic to stand and be recognized?

Obama is the first "clean and articulate" black to be in the race? Where was Sharpton? Messy Jesse?

I can see him now entertaining muslim guests by asking them to do a couple of shots before they indulge in a good ol pork barbeque.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 5:06 PM

I hate you Democrats. I hate anyone who isn't white and cute. I hate anyone smarter than me, and that's a heap a'hatin' to do.

Posted by: Aspergirl | September 23, 2008 4:32 PM

The funny thing is that Democrats think they are smarter than Republicans. When they are only phony and affected.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 23, 2008 4:54 PM

Good Old Joe, as he stumbles into the truth. Now replace him with his dear freind Hillary.

Posted by: Tom | September 23, 2008 4:53 PM

Pas mal, netherlands, pas mal.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:49 PM

snake - the senate has a 49/49 split with two independents. Sanders and Lieberman - both committed leftists. In fact, while there are exactly zero right leaning dems - there are several left leaning repubs with whom the left can count as among them.

The congress has 233 socialists and 198 republicans.

So, tell me again about majorities?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:44 PM

OUI BONSOIR,AU REVOIR MON CHER.NE SOYEZ PA TRES MECHANT...

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 4:42 PM

anon - yes I did. With honor.

No there is no requirement for service to be president. So why does the left foam at the mouth about Cheney? The last socialist darling not only evaded the draft, but protested against America during the war.

So what gives?

Thats my point. Its all about the hypocrisy.

Some of the lefties here will talk about Biden's asthema. Well, in his semi non plagiarized biography, Biden talks about being a lifeguard and playing football.

Amazing how the potential of putting on a uniform in actual service gets that cough ginned up....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:38 PM

Anonymous, how can my collegues in Congress do any of those things when they don't have a majority?

Please go to the Congressional website and count the number of Dems and the number of Repubs. I think you might have an epiphany.

Posted by: Snake in Wyo | September 23, 2008 4:34 PM

I hate you Democrats. I hate anyone who isn't white and cute. I hate anyone smarter than me, and that's a heap a'hatin' to do.

I'm moving to Alaska and racing snowmachines because I love Sarah Palin and her guy, and want to be just like her. She is soooo cute.

Posted by: Aspergirl | September 23, 2008 4:32 PM

snake - please stop ignoring all those expenditures you are trotting out have been passed by a leftist majority.

If I remember correctly, your candidates promised to:

Have the most ethical congress in history - good laugh there.

End the war. Right.

Stop high gas prices - they have gone through the roof since the election.

Fix the economy - enough said.

So, how is that working out for the left so far? For the rest of America - we are not too happy. Its one thing to lie to your base, but leave America's future out of it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:32 PM

Actually, anonymous, Cheney got the first deferrement for a pregnant wife. Sorry, but deferrments were legal. Did you serve? There is no requirement for a President to have been in the military.

I served. I knew lots of dirtbags in the military so service means little.

You can't debate on issues so you try to justify your fear and hatred by making up things. Nice try, but very, very sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:30 PM

"Exactly my point. He attacked his own team. And then he comes back and says, oh, he hadn't seen the ad. What a fool! If he ..."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:18 PM

Biden was being HONEST. An admirable quality in a presidential candidate. He scored real points with that admission. Only now, His follow up lie destroys his credibility and makes him look like a weasel for lying about about not having meant what he said.

What a pair of slimy sleazebags. In terms of integrity, Biden has an incremental bit more than the ACORN community organizer, because Biden will occasionally erupt in some principled truth, unlike Obama.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 23, 2008 4:29 PM

The people in Galveston where everything got blown away also want in excess of 30 billion! Whos is going to pay for all of this? Use your heads, WE THE PEOPLE! Maybe you are all millionaires but I am not and I do not think we can afford anymore as all of the really bad stuff that has happened has occurred in the last 2 years! YES! that is when the Democrats took control of congress and they are the ones who have refused to release the areas that have oil in abundance and the "enviorment" would NOT be harmed! The longer it goes the more people will be laid off and the more money business places will lose ,and some will and have in this area, closed their doors for good! You people had better wake up to reality and not a bunch of empty rhetoric!

Posted by: Sam | September 23, 2008 3:18 PM

You Republibots are fascinating!

Do you know the bailout of AIG will cost you $700 Billion? But you don't want to give your money to hard working Americans. Just to those decent companies who screwed hardworking Americans.

We spend $100,000 a minute in Iraq. But God forbid an American get any money from this country. They can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But those poor Iraqis need our money.

And they got it! $13 million in reconstruction just missing. No one knows where it went.

You're a millionaire enough to buy up AIG, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. I hope you see the same golden parachute those CEOs did.

Talk about socialism! Under socialism the state owns the means of production and the distribution of goods. Well, thanks to your Republibots, the government is buying up businesses like crazy and you are paying for it!

Oil is not the reason people will be laid off. It will happen because greedy CEOs, assisted by sympathetic Republicans, give out loans that can't be collected. They run their companies into the ground in order to look good on paper.

You need to wake up, dude.

Posted by: Snake in Wyo | September 23, 2008 4:26 PM

wASHINGTON POST CAMPAIGN AD COVERAGE JUST CALLED OUT AS HYPOCRITICAL BY WALL STREET JOURNAL

Specifically, recent Post's attack on McCain ad about Francis Raines (Fannie Mae CEO) relationship with Obama. (One in an apparently endless string of Post's biased "fact checking" of campaign ads).

The Washington Post Paradox
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122193386006060171.html

Last week John McCain's campaign put out an ad criticizing Barack Obama for his ties to Franklin Raines, former CEO of Fannie Mae. The ad said that Obama relies on Raines "for 'advice on mortgage and housing policy.' " The Washington Post claims that the McCain ad is "a stretch":

So what evidence does the McCain campaign have for the supposed Obama-Raines connection? It is pretty flimsy, but it is not made up completely out of whole cloth. McCain spokesman Brian Rogers points to three items in the Washington Post in July and August. It turns out that the three items (including an editorial) all rely on the same single conversation, between Raines and a Washington Post business reporter, Anita Huslin, who wrote a profile of the discredited Fannie Mae boss that appeared July 16. The profile reported that Raines, who retired from Fannie Mae four years ago, had "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."

So the Washington Post is saying you can't believe McCain's ad because it is based on reporting in . . . the Washington Post. The Washington Post is not a reliable source of information, according to the Washington Post.

But if the Washington Post is not a reliable source of information, how can we believe the Washington Post when it says it's not a reliable source of information? But if we don't believe the Washington Post when it says it's not a reliable source of information, then we must believe the Washington Post is a reliable source of information, in which case how can we believe the Washington Post is not a reliable source of information. But if . . .

You get the picture. Clearly this is part of a sinister plot by the Obama-coddling mainstream media to induce madness in all Americans who have the capacity for logical thought...

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 23, 2008 4:25 PM

Bonsoir dufus.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:23 PM

BYE ANONYMOUS CHERI! YOU MUST BE A MAN I BELIEVE, C U LATER,I MUST TAKE A REST.

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 4:21 PM

So you're saying Biden is a draft dodger like say, Bush or Cheney?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. They both had 5 deferments. FIVE. They both received deferments for the same thing. So they could stay in college while others served.

Hypocrites? Yes you are. You accept the racist comments Biden makes on a regular basis while running Allen out on a rail.

You can a female for vp while trotting out an old, white member of the establishment and mewl about change.

Now, there are the preparatory charges of
voter fraud and false polls to set the stage when your cast of buffoons are rejected by the American people.

You ignore Obama's ties with a proven vote rigging organization. Drugs for votes, money for votes - the vomit goes on and on.

Your party chuckles and guffaws while some sick and demented morons suggest on SNL that Sarah Palin's husband is committing child abuse on his own daughters.

If you people were not so disgusting and twisted, you would be ashamed of yourselves. But you got over that a long time ago. Now, it is up to America to keep your exposure limited and securely in your cages.

Yes, we can. And yes we will.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Exactly my point. He attacked his own team. And then he comes back and says, oh, he hadn't seen the ad. What a fool! If he knew what ads were coming from his own campaign, then why did he attack first, then say he hadn't seen it after he realized how foolish he looked? He knew it was an Obama ad, but he hadn't seen it. Got my point? Biden is an incidental in Obama's campaign- to be marginalized as often as possible. He shouldn't have attacked his own team regardless.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 3:04 PM

Anonymous, read what you have written and then read the article again.

Because Biden hadn't seen the commercial means nothing. He didn't approve of making fun of a guy for not being able to type. That McCain can't type has nothing to do with his injuries as a POW. It has to do with his unfamiliarity with computers and most likely typewriters.

That Biden didn't approve and said so shows integrity. He knew what the commerical was about without having seen it. But after viewing it he rightly concluded that it's nothing compared with the lies McPain has put in his ads.

He didn't "attack". To you guys everything is an attack. He's not like you Republibots. He doesn't just keep repeating the party line. He expressed his own opinion INDEPENDENTLY of the party and the campaign regardless of that it was not flattering to the campaign.

You see, anonymous, many liberals are not ashamed to see their own faults. They realize the only way to improve is to look at your mistakes and make yourself better.

You, however, probably still believe Sarah Palin opposed the Bridge to Nowhere. Sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:18 PM

And how McCain has trouble with a keyboard. Well, maybe if draft dodging Joe had not dodged the draft and had actually served, maybe he could have spent some time being tortured and would have a little more empathy for those who have served - and suffered.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 3:22 PM


That's bloody rich, Anonymous! And you wonder how the Repubs get the reputation of being hypocrits.

So you're saying Biden is a draft dodger like say, Bush or Cheney? Cheney broke the ground on deferrments.

You're a funny guy!

Posted by: Adrasteia | September 23, 2008 4:08 PM

netherland - brilliant post. Absolutely brilliant. Bet that gets you standing ovations at the huffington....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:07 PM

MCSAME, THAT OLD RAT MONSTER,DEVIL LIKE TO SEE BLOOD, HE MUST GO TO RETREAT.WE DON'T NEED MORE WAR.WE ARE TIRED OF PEOPLE MUST DIE FOR NONSENSE,STUPID, IDIOT, EGOIST, RACIST,HATRED, HYPOCRITE,ARISTOCRATE.WHO IS CLEVER? NO ONE, BECAUSSE WE PEOPLE ARE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE PAECE ;WE ONLY LEARN HOW KILL EACH OTHER...

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 3:48 PM

I can't wait for the "well, if Roosevelt had thought about it, he would have done that."

In the best and most sincere Dan Rather-esque manner.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 3:42 PM

I NEVER HEAR "BARACK OBAMA AN IRLANDER AMERICAN," WHERE IS ANCESTOR CAME FROM...

Posted by: NEHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 3:34 PM

Biden says he thought an ad by his own campaign was “terrible” and he “never would have done it” before he has even seen the ad. He later releases a statement after viewing the ad which does not clarify whether or not he thinks the ad is terrible or not but after viewing it “it is even more clear” to him how “disgraceful” his opponents ads are.

WHAT?

This stuff makes Sarah Palin look as presidential as Lincoln when compared to Biden. Is this the “new politics” Barack Obama promised us? Because it sounds an awful lot like old school CYA politics.

Posted by: washpost | September 23, 2008 3:27 PM

and you haters talk about McCain being out of touch. Thats rich.

And how McCain has trouble with a keyboard. Well, maybe if draft dodging Joe had not dodged the draft and had actually served, maybe he could have spent some time being tortured and would have a little more empathy for those who have served - and suffered.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 3:22 PM

Are you disgusted with doped-up clowns shouting "yes we can" in your face? Well, here's the solution to that annoyance: just recite to them quotes from Plagiarist-Joe. I find that after just two or three choice quotes the offender begins to realize they're supporting a 30+-year politics-as-usual Beltway parasite who is the poster-boy for all that is rotten in Washington - and their head explodes!

These quotes are particularly effective:

Biden: "...right now I don't believe he (hussein) is (ready to be president). The presidency is not something that leads itself to on-the-job training".

Biden: " I would be honored to run with or against John McCain. He'd leave the country better off."

Biden: hussein is "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean."

Biden: "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America." "Quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me."

As with michelle ("For the FIRST TIME in my life I am proud of my country."), biden's mouth will prove to be so toxic that he, too, will eventually be muzzled and placed in an undisclosed location away from reporters until the campaign is over.

sweetie hussein and plagiarist-joe biden are wrong: RAISING TAXES IS NOT PATRIOTIC!

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Posted by: ALEX H. | September 23, 2008 3:18 PM

There are such a lot of untrue things being spewed out here, its hard to know where to begin. First of all, McCain had his arms, hands, and legs broken several times, with no medical care while a POW. When they found out who his father was they began to take a little better care of him. When they offered him a chance to go home ahead of some of his fellow prisoners, he refused.
He waited until his turn. He was in physical therapy for months and has done amazingly well since. As a retired RN who worked in an ICU unit for over 6 yrs. I can tell you, he undobtedly still has pain, especially when forcing his hands too much. As far as the talk to computers, etc. I had a disabled young man(from birth) who was a patient, got through college and a degree, who worked for a large insurance company, and who was very frustrated because the no hands on computer worked only part of the time and his day was 1/2 wasted and he only got part of his work done. McCains wife helps him and I am sure one of his assistants can with the computer. You do not have to be computer literate to survive anything in this world! All the time wasted on this stupidity is beyond stupid! Also, it is really strange that if Sarah Palin is so stupid, why is her popularity rating in Alaska 85 to90%. When the telepromter broke down almost immediately after she began her speech at the convention, she winged it and it was terriffic. McCain was introduced and gave his off the cuff also. I watched Obama last spring, almost from his first appearances. All that he talked about was hope and change but never once mentioned what was going to give hope or make any change. I watched him about 4 times straight and it was the same thing, nothing but hot air! In the debate with the minister where the candidates appeared separatly, I think it was called Saddleback and were asked the same questions, Obama stamered and ummed and ahhd around and when asked about abortion, answered that it was above his pay grade to answer. McCain answered immediately and gave his opinion straight out. He won hands down with everyone who watched it, even quite a few democrats. Obama is now being coached by a so-called expert for the upcoming debate because everyone knows that he is unable to speak extemporaneously, he is the one tied to the telepromter. He most certainly was the only one in the Illinois senate to vote FOR an abortion bill that had a clause in it about the full birth of a live baby abortion gone wrong. When reporters asked him about it and why he voted that way, he said that the baby should be killed because that was the mother's wish! None of the other senate members could bring themselves to such an unholy decision as that! He also sat through 130 sessions and only replied "present" instead of yay or nay. He was and is and advantage taker who is seemingly unable to think for himself. Then there is his wife with her comments about how terrible this country is (I heard and saw those too!) What kind of a first lady would she make?? The left wing has taken over the Democrat Party and if you believe that taxes will not go way up for everyone, because he said this a number of times in the beginning, he flip-flops almost daily now, you are not using your heads. With the new financial problem the past few days the Democrats want to give the robbers and crooks who caused it over 30 BILLION dollars.
The people in Galveston where everything got blown away also want in excess of 30 billion! Whos is going to pay for all of this? Use your heads, WE THE PEOPLE! Maybe you are all millionaires but I am not and I do not think we can afford anymore as all of the really bad stuff that has happened has occurred in the last 2 years! YES! that is when the Democrats took control of congress and they are the ones who have refused to release the areas that have oil in abundance and the "enviorment" would NOT be harmed! The longer it goes the more people will be laid off and the more money business places will lose ,and some will and have in this area, closed their doors for good! You people had better wake up to reality and not a bunch of empty rhetoric!

Posted by: Sam | September 23, 2008 3:18 PM

Poor draft dodging Joe. Here is his clear headed and cogent statement regarding the recent Wall Street debacle:

“When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed. He said, ‘look, here’s what happened.’”

Umm, sorry Joey, but you must have been plagiarizing again, maybe from on eof those left wing founts of knowledge like the dailykos?

Here's a hint: The stock market crashed in 1929 - FDR was not elected until 1932. The first president was indeed FDR, but not until 1939 and at the World's Fair. The first presidential address was Truman.

Poor Joe. Does your head hurt after saying such stupid things?

Poor lefties. How to pretend this dunce is not really a dunce and Obama really has experience. Oh well, McCain used to be a maverick and the anti-Bush, too. So at least they spread it evenly.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 3:18 PM

What a loose cannon this Biden is. He claims he hadn't seen the Obama ad and yet he could run off his mouth and say "It's terrible!" If you haven't seen the ad why not simply say "I haven't seen it" in response to a reporter's question about it? Why diss the head of your ticket by disparaging his ad, an ad that speaks the truth about McCain being out of touch and a technology luddite? Which team is Biden on anyway?

Posted by: RasKente | September 23, 2008 3:14 PM

What's with the dates in this article? (as I write it is 2:17 pm, CST on Tuesday, September 23.)

Posted by: rhutcheson | September 23, 2008 3:14 PM

"Notice that HEMI started deleting the 'source' line of all the crap he pastes on here after I exposed his sources as all being from conspiracy-oriented web-sites, and/or socialist/communist sympathizers."

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 1:51 PM

LOL. You busted him...

But then, the descriptions "conspiracy-oriented web-sites, and/or socialist/communist sympathizers" seem to also apply to how the NY Times & Washington Post & NY Times are covering the campaigns this year.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 23, 2008 3:07 PM

I was just asked since Obama is making fun of a crippled person in his add with lies, and he wants National Health Care and says he can save social security money, How??? a big purge of cripple persons and elder persons??? He has never said how he plans this savings of tax dollars....Maybe his V.P. see this???? This is good to know before we vote...

Posted by: eddie | September 23, 2008 3:05 PM

What does it say when the VP candidate doesn't even know what commercials are airing from his own campaign?

Posted by: dcp | September 23, 2008 2:28 PM

Where in this article did you get the idea Biden didn't know this was his own campaign's commercial?

What part of Biden's words "I thought that was terrible by the way" and "if I'd have had anything to do with it, we never would have done it," makes you believe he didn't know it was the Obama campaign's ad?

You should have read the article before you posted. You must have surfed over from Limbaugh or Drudge as soon as you read their talking points.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 2:35 PM


Exactly my point. He attacked his own team. And then he comes back and says, oh, he hadn't seen the ad. What a fool! If he knew what ads were coming from his own campaign, then why did he attack first, then say he hadn't seen it after he realized how foolish he looked? He knew it was an Obama ad, but he hadn't seen it. Got my point? Biden is an incidental in Obama's campaign- to be marginalized as often as possible. He shouldn't have attacked his own team regardless.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 3:04 PM

Late Tuesday? CBS Evening News on Tuesday? It is 2:50pm on Tuesday right? I didn't miss a day did I?

Posted by: seriesoftubescleaner | September 23, 2008 2:53 PM

Hey why is it that when Dems run and ad that says if you elect a Republican a Black Church will burn. Wasnt The Dems formed by former Confederate Officers after the Civil War.

Posted by: david | September 23, 2008 8:49 AM

Oh My God. Too stupid to spell stupid.

David, the Democrats are the actual descendents of the original Republican party of the late 1700's. The Republicans are the descendents of the Federalists.

Who told you this non-fact and why on God's green earth did you just buy into it?

Posted by: Adrasteia | September 23, 2008 2:47 PM

Just think McCain could have really crossed the aisle, picked Hillary and united the whole Democratic and Republican Party, appealed to moderates and Latinos, But he is now stuck with Palin.

Smart move! Not


Posted by: Snake in Wyo | September 23, 2008 2:43 PM

In todays politics, an honest man WOULD be considered a gaffe machine.

Posted by: Disgusted | September 22, 2008 11:30 PM

This bears reposting. Hear, hear, Disgusted. You're the only one with commonsense posting here.

Posted by: Adrasteia | September 23, 2008 2:40 PM

I guess we better ignore all the Factcheck.org info where they say Obama is exaggerating or lying too then?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:26 PM

Typical Republican whine. But they did it too, Mom!!! Waaaaaaaaa.

Didn't McPain say he was going to run a clean campaign regardless of what others did? Go to Factcheck.org and you'll find McPain's lies are egregious.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 2:38 PM

What does it say when the VP candidate doesn't even know what commercials are airing from his own campaign?

Posted by: dcp | September 23, 2008 2:28 PM

Where in this article did you get the idea Biden didn't know this was his own campaign's commercial?

What part of Biden's words "I thought that was terrible by the way" and "if I'd have had anything to do with it, we never would have done it," makes you believe he didn't know it was the Obama campaign's ad?

You should have read the article before you posted. You must have surfed over from Limbaugh or Drudge as soon as you read their talking points.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 2:35 PM

So which is it, for you Obama haters, Dottydo? Is he Indonesian? Because he was "raised" there for 4 whole years of his life between the ages of 6 and 10? Or is he Hawaiian, because he was born there and lived there for the first 4 years of his life and then again for 8 years between the ages of ten and 18?

He is not Pacific Islander and you haven't provided demographics about who commits crimes there. Surely because he lived their with his mid-western mother he never assimilated any of her values, only those that are violent and scary.

Where do you live, Dottydo? Anyone ever get raped or killed there? What does that say about you?

It's all about guilt by association, isn't it? His father was Muslim, except that he became an atheist. His step-father was Muslim, although Obama wasn't. Your type never associates him with the best of his upbringing, only the scary parts.

Obama has a very textured background and for that we should be excited. But you prefer Sally Snowplow who never even made a trip to Canada before her junket to visit Kuwait. You must make sure people are fearful. He looks different, doesn't he? Palin an McCain look just like us. Be afraid of the Black man from Hawaii, er, Indonesia....

You are something else, Dottydo, but a woman of integrity and intelligency you are not.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 2:31 PM

What does it say when the VP candidate doesn't even know what commercials are airing from his own campaign?

Posted by: dcp | September 23, 2008 2:28 PM

If I were not a respectful individual, I would simply say that Biden's an idiot. Since I happen to be courteous, however, I will only say that Biden was unwise in making that statement.

Posted by: dcp | September 23, 2008 2:25 PM

PAINLIN, SHE'S A SMALL TOWN CRIMINAL AND BULLY, AND NOW ON STAGE...

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 2:24 PM

Only in Republicanland can honesty be vilified. Biden should have done what Palin does; carry party water no matter what the cost.

So the ad wasn't the greatest. It certainly wasn't a lie, unlike most of McPain's ads.

Posted by: Adrasteia | September 23, 2008 2:18 PM

At least women were safe enough to report rape in Alaska.

Let's look now at where Obama learned his foundry of ideals according to yourselves.
Hawaii.


1994 police women were raped by police men.
Outcome: The County settled the case and ajudge gag ordered the victims.
2004 One police woman carried her case from the bottem court to the top and in a stunning reversal by high court outside of Hawaii a judge forund that the police woman , by steadfastly alking her case trough the entire system proved the Hawaii system was broken and unAmerican from the bottom to the top.
Civil rights violations were known by the Dem leadership, yet no charges were brought upon anyone, and all simply elevated themselves rather than justice or civil rights.
Look up Officer Bonnie Burke's case.

How well does the land of Obama, Hawaii perform today for women?

I cannot understand why the dems did not more carefully vet and investigate the candidate Obama?
Why lay claims to a Hawaii backround?


http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Feb/20/ln/FP702200345.html

It is so gender biased, that people talk about the women's issues over any other story about this guy, Obama.

Take any Island and read about complete lack of American and human rights for women there. No one wonders why he couldn't look at a better resume than himself, which Palin and Hillary both have.

He comes from a terrible place where long term power is only one thing....culpable.


Posted by: dottydo | September 23, 2008 2:09 PM

AsperGirl:

You need to stop posting the truth about Obama and the liberal press on here. Folks like "HEMI" & "Anonymous" only care about one side, and that's the communist-socialist-paranoid-conspiracy-theorist side.

Notice that HEMI started deleting the 'source' line of all the crap he pastes on here after I exposed his sources as all being from conspiracy-oriented web-sites, and/or socialist/communist sympathizers.

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 1:51 PM

"Anonymous" with the rape-kit story:

Are you the same Anonymous who kept posting this yesterday, refusing to use initials or anything to identify your nonsense posts?

CNN blew the rape-kit story connection to Palin out of the water. No ties to her whatsoever, even admitted by the DEMOCRAT state rep quoted in the story.

Yet idiots like this "Anonymous" want to post the partial-truth and keep attempting to smear Palin by suggesting she was part of it....but ignoring the FACT that she wasn't.

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 1:46 PM

ANONYMOUS WELL INFORM!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 1:43 PM

You have got to hear McCain's boy cry the blues to the press. It's a real short clip but funny as hell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HabIoeqzL40

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 1:39 PM

Palin rape kit story just aired on CNN tv.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/22/yellin.palin.rape.kit.cnn?iref=videosearch

"Alaska is the # 1 state in the country for Rape and has been for 23 out of the last 30 years (FBI’s Uniform Crime Report)

Alaska’s reported rate of rape per capita is 2.6 times the national average (FBI’s Uniform Crime Report).

Anchorage has the ninth highest sexual assault rate of any city in the United States, and Fairbanks is ranked first (FBI’s Uniform Crime Report)

Fairbanks’ rape rate is 4.7 times the national average (FBI’s Uniform Crime Report)

AK’s Child abuse rate is six times higher than the national average. (Department of Public Safety/ AK CDVSA Annual Report for FY 2006)"

http://www.staralaska.com/scripts/assault.asp

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 1:25 PM

I guess we better ignore all the Factcheck.org info where they say Obama is exaggerating or lying too then?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:26 PM

))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Obama tried to run a clean campaign and McCain decided to take it to the gutter. Obama hits back with the truth but sometimes it comes out wrong. He's not even doing it on purpose. McCain flat out makes stuff up. He goes around telling people that Obama will raise taxes on people making 42,000 a year. When Obama said it was a lie, Tucker Bounds said Obama's record don't lie, and it says he voted to raise taxes 94 times on the Middle Class. Guess what, Tucker lied again. Why is it that you give McCain a pass on everything and want to slam Obama for the littlest things. You don't think McCain has done anything wrong with his Paris Hilton ad's and setting up Obama on his troop visit. What kind of moron would believe that Obama wanted to play basketball instead of visiting our troops. I also heard that McCain had another ad ready to air if Obama made the visit. They knew he was going to do that visit weeks before he went and the Pentagon has the nerve to call him up on that day making changes. After what McCain has done to Obama he has every right to fight back. Only I wish he would pull out all the stops and take McCain out for good.. Mr. country first that votes against our soldiers health care 4 years in a row. If you cared about this country you'd put your racial bias on the side and vote for Obama. Haven't you had enough of being lied to. Every election these moron neo-cons tell you the same crap and you buy it hook line and sinker. Isn't it about time you stopped voting against yourself.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 1:23 PM

"Palin press may boycott UN conference

NEW YORK – Journalists, displeased with Sarah Palin’s efforts to restrict their access to her, are threatening not to cover her events surrounding the United Nations conference here unless they're allowed more access.

The unfolding boycott is the latest development in a rocky relationship between Palin’s handlers and the press, in which the campaign has sought to tightly control her interactions with the media.

The campaign had originally indicated that the print reporters following her campaign would be among the small group of journalists allowed to attend the so-called “pool sprays” before Palin’s meetings with dignitaries on the sidelines of the U.N. meetings.

The sprays are basically glorified photo opportunities during which journalists can snap photos and film footage and – if they’re lucky – shout a question or two at Palin and her company before she adjourns for private meetings. On Tuesday, those meetings were to include Afghan President Karzai and former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

But the imbroglio began developing Tuesday morning when Palin’s handlers informed the small print press contingent covering her campaign that the print reporter designated to cover the events, Elizabeth Holmes of the Wall Street Journal, would not be allowed to cover the sprays.

The campaign’s reasoning was that there were not going to be questions or statements at the sprays, so they were only appropriate for photographers and cameramen.

The campaign also at first moved to bar CNN, the television network designated for pool duty, from sending its editorial producer – basically a hybrid print/video journalist – though the campaign budged when the network threatened to withhold its cameras as well.

With Palin’s first meeting set to begin at noon, that leaves the print reporters on the outs."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13783.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 1:15 PM

YES OBSERVER, TELL THEM BABY...

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 1:07 PM

"Palin lawyer meets with investigator in probe"

"Less than a week after balking at the Alaska Legislature's investigation into her alleged abuse of power, Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday indicated she will cooperate with a separate probe run by people she can fire."

"Separately, two Alaska Democrats said they may bring witness tampering allegations against the McCain-Palin campaign. The two state lawmakers, Rep. Les Gara and Sen. Bill Wielechowski, said they are evaluating Alaska's criminal code to see if it applies in what's become known as the Troopergate probe."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93C3QH00

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:59 PM

"Probe turns to workers' compensation claim"

"The investigation into Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of Walt Monegan is looking into whether Palin influenced a workers' compensation claim from her former brother in-law.

Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten had his benefits denied three months after an injury forced him out of work. It became part of the probe after the adjuster who handled Wooten's case tipped off the Legislature's investigator."

"The form announcing the denial of benefits was signed by Johanna Grasso of Harbor Adjustment Service, which handles the state workers' comp claims.

Grasso is also the person who testified to the Legislature's investigator, Stephen Branchflower, that she was told by the owner of the company that the governor or governor's office wanted Wooten's claim denied."

http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=9055722

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:55 PM

YES HEMI, LEARN THEM SOME MORAL...

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 12:45 PM

YES ANONYMOUS, YES BABY "TALK THE TRUE..."

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 12:42 PM

The problem with McCain's line on middle class taxes is that McCain thinks middle class families are those who earn $500,000.00 or more per year!!!
He has no clue what middle class is.
As regards being a liar, ask his first wife!!

Posted by: Gerry | September 23, 2008 12:39 PM

Joe Biden: "I am not interested in the vice presidency". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEtaAD12i2s

Posted by: American | September 23, 2008 12:38 PM

Every Independent I know is either planning on voting for Obama or sitting home. McCain has taken a swim through a cesspool of lies, distortions, and half truth to such an extent that no one with any degree of morality will even think of voting for him. And don't get us talking about his bimbo, Palin. What a self absorbed piece of trash that is, possing in her Americna flag bikini and holding up a gun. If you think that tramp is read to be the Commander In Chief your just plain nuts.

Posted by: Observer | September 23, 2008 11:50 AM

)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Very nice! You got talent my friend.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 12:33 PM

PAINLIN FAILIN SHE'S A SMALL TOWN CRIMINAL AND BULY,AND NOW ON STAGE.MCSAME THIS TIME IF YOU ARE ELECTED, YOU WANT TO MAKE WAR,YOU GO TO WAR ALONE WITH YOUR MISTRESS PALIN.NO WORLD LEADER WILL HELP YOU TO EAT AN OTHER CHILDREN OF GOD.MCSAME A LIAR JUST WANT TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE GREAT NATION,A WAR MONSTER,AN OLD RAT,GO TO RETREAT MY FRIEND...

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 12:29 PM

I guess we better ignore all the Factcheck.org info where they say Obama is exaggerating or lying too then?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:26 PM

Screw You Johnny D. You are a ########!

Posted by: StrungOuT | September 23, 2008 12:23 PM

****


NEWS UPDATE!
Hollywood, CA 09/23/08

Hollywood elite march to the same beat.

While the recent TV awards were bombing in the ratings, many disgruntled celebrities were heard discussing the political situation backstage:

Damon initiated the topic with G.Bush bahhh, followed by Johanssen chiming in with Palin bahhhh, accompanied by O'Donnell blabbing Rove bahhh, until finally, the vocal course of decay disciples singing "bahhh, bahhh, bahhh" in unison, was heard eminating from the room.

Global reporters couldn't help but notice how many stars and celebrities all march to the same beat, "Baahhh, Baahhh, Bahhhh"

Hey, "there's a little sheep in all of us", Madonna was quoted as saying...

jd


****

Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 23, 2008 12:09 PM

jd....this is so true, why is it, liberals should ask thereselves, that they can't seem to indivualize themselves from one another? take this point,

how many of these people have we heard saying mcCain if bush the third? really, I don't even they believe this to be true, but brainwashing is a hard condition from which to recover))))

Posted by: beth h. | September 23, 2008 12:19 PM

Posted by simonsays: "Give [Obama] a cowboy hat and he is the reincarnated Ronald Reagen."

Not exactly. More like Sheriff Bart.

"It's twuuue! It's twuuue!"

Posted by: laboo | September 23, 2008 12:18 PM

NEWS UPDATE!
Hollywood, CA 09/23/08

Hollywood elite march to the same beat.

While the recent TV awards were bombing in the ratings, many disgruntled celebrities were heard discussing the political situation backstage:

Damon initiated the topic with G.Bush bahhh, followed by Johanssen chiming in with Palin bahhhh, accompanied by O'Donnell blabbing Rove bahhh, until finally, the vocal course of decay disciples singing "bahhh, bahhh, bahhh" in unison, was heard eminating from the room.

Global reporters couldn't help but notice how many stars and celebrities all march to the same beat, "Baahhh, Baahhh, Bahhhh"

Hey, "there's a little sheep in all of us", Madonna was quoted as saying...

jd


****

Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 23, 2008 12:09 PM

Johnny,

Where do you come up with this stuff. Although not a celebrity basher, I do believe your sense of humor is fantastic!

Posted by: jan'shot | September 23, 2008 12:14 PM

Protecting the public interest in any economic "bailout"

Dear Friend,

The U.S. government has been turned into an engine that accelerates the wealth upwards into the hands of a few. The Wall Street bailout, the Iraq War, military spending, tax cuts to the rich, and a for-profit health care system are all about the acceleration of wealth upwards. And now, the American people are about to pay the price of the collapse of the $513 trillion Ponzi scheme of derivatives. Yes, that's half a quadrillion dollars. Our first trillion dollar compression bandage will hardly stem the hemorrhaging of an unsustainable Ponzi scheme built on debt "de-leverages."

Does anyone seriously think that our public and private debts of some $45 trillion will be paid? That the administration's growth of the federal debt from $5.6 trillion to $9.8 trillion while borrowing another trillion dollars from Social Security has nothing to do with this? Does anyone not see that when we spend nearly $16,000 for every family of four in our society for the military each year that we are heading over the cliff?

This is a debt crisis, not a credit crisis. Just as FDR had to save capitalism after Wall Street excesses, we have to re-invigorate our economy with real - not imaginary - growth. It does not address the never-ending war on the middle class.

The same corporate interests that profited from the closing of U.S. factories, the movement of millions of jobs out of America, the off-shoring of profits, the out-sourcing of workers, the crushing of pension funds, the knocking down of wages, the cancellation of health care benefits, the sub-prime lending are now rushing to Washington to get money to protect themselves.

The double standard is stunning: their profits are their profits, but their losses are our losses.

This bailout will not bring real jobs back to America. It will not bring back jobs that make things. It does not rebuild our schools, streets, neighborhoods, parks or bridges. The major product of this financial economy is now debt. Industrial capitalism has been destroyed.
In the next few days I will push for a plan that includes equity for every American in any taxpayer investment in this so-called bail-out plan. Since the bailout will cost each and every American about $2,300, I have proposed the creation of a United States Mutual Trust Fund, which will take control of $700 billion in stock assets, convert those assets to shares, and distribute $2,300 worth of shares to new individual savings accounts in the name of each and every American.
I will also insist that all of the following issues be considered in whatever Congress passes:

Reinstatement of the provisions of Glass-Steagall, which forbade speculation
Re-regulation of the finance, insurance, and real estate industries
Accountability on the part of those who took the companies down:
a) resignations of management
b) givebacks of executive compensation packages
c) limitations on executive compensation
d) admission by CEO's of what went wrong and how, prior to any government bailout

Demands for transparencey
a) with respect to analyzing the transactions which took the companies down
b) with respect to Treasury's dealings with the companies pre and post-bailout
An equity position for the taxpayers
a) some form of ownership of assets
Some credible formula for evaluating the price of the assets that the government is buying.
A sunset clause on the legislation
Full public disclosure by members of Congress of assets held, with possible conflicts put in blind trust.
A ban on political campaign contributions from officers of corporations receiving bailouts
A requirement that 2008 cycle candidates return political contributions to officers and representatives of corporations receiving bailouts
And, most importantly, some mechanism for direct assistance to homeowners saddled with unreasonable or unmanageable mortgages, as well as protection for renters who have lived up to their obligation but fall victim to financial tragedy when the property they live in undergoes foreclosure.

These are just some thoughts on the run. You will hear more from me tomorrow.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 12:13 PM

Lies, Damned Lies, and How Much Should Obama Lie?

By Don Hazen, AlterNet
Posted on September 23, 2008, Printed on September 23, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/99891


Lies are everywhere. It's a veritable lying epidemic out there in campaign America. Yet, it was still surprising when corporate writer Farhad Manjoo suggested that Barack Obama's problem in the campaign was that he wasn't lying enough.

Perhaps it is quaint, but at AlterNet we are in favor of fewer lies, not more. And we won't lie. This article is in part an appeal to support us financially, to help us fight back against the recent plague of lies. More about that in a minute. But, if you already know you want to help us, click here.

Manjoo works for Slate, which is owned by the Washington Post Company, owner of Newsweek and a media empire that stretches from TV channels to children's schoolbooks.

Manjoo catalogued many of the lies strewn about by John McCain and running mate Sarah Palin, and by Obama. Manjoo concluded that McCain was out-lying Obama by more than 2-1, and that Obama had refrained from the big whoppers.

Hence, according to Manjoo, 'McCain has lied more often and more outrageously than Obama.'

Take McCain's ad claiming that Obama's 'one accomplishment' on education policy was to push 'legislation to teach 'comprehensive sex education' to kindergartners.' According to Manjoo, 'It's difficult to find a single true word in the whole spot.

The McCain camp's other sin is one of repetition. They keep saying things that have been proved untrue. In TV ads and at nearly every stump speech, Palin has repeated the line that she stopped the federal government's plan to build the 'bridge to nowhere,' a claim that fact-check sites and nearly every major news organization have shot down.'

And here is Manjoo's conclusion: 'This is exactly what's so puzzling about Obama's strategy -- why is he paying any attention to the fact-checkers?
So far, McCain has seen little blowback from lying.'

Manjoo also states that 51 percent of the public wrongly believes McCain's claim that Obama will raise taxes on the middle class.

I feel I have to intervene on behalf of all of us and say no to Manjoo, and to the outrageous cynicism required to suggest that Obama should just lie more as a solution. Sure, Obama can get tougher, but he doesn't have to lie to succeed. AlterNet's mission is focused on stopping the lies. And you, our audience, have shown your appreciation of our mission by devouring our material.

In the past few weeks AlterNet has had the most visitors in our 10 years! In one week more than half a million people read our series about Palin's lies. AlterNet's job is blow the whistle on falsehoods. And that is why we hope you will support AlterNet with your donation today.

AlterNet is doing great. We deliver many dozens of articles, blogs and videos every day -- all for free. But, it does cost us money. No lying here. There is no free lunch. In fact, the more people visit AlterNet, the more we have to pay for servers to handle the load. In fact, our server costs are almost $40,000 a year alone. That's just one example of the costs of running a high-traffic, independent Web site. And of course there is rent, salaries, money for writers, insurance and the normal stuff necessary for success.
To wrap it up, Manjoo actually wrote a book about lying -- or, as he calls it, 'the disappearance of facts.' The book is titled True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society.

In it, he argues that 'facts are a stock of faltering value.' And that 'media fragmentation -- the disintegration of the mass media into the many niches of the Web, cable news, and talk radio -- lets us consume news that we like and avoid news that we don't, leading people to perceive reality in a way that conforms to their long-held beliefs.'

Well yes, the avoidance of facts is a problem, as we all know. Some voters practice denial. But, that is no reason to stop presenting reality, even when it is painful. Things are not going to change until we face the truth head on.

We hope you will support us in our effort to bring more truth to this campaign.
Don Hazen is the executive editor of AlterNet.

© 2008 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/99891/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:12 PM

Will ANY candidate address this question...

FINANCIAL TERRORISM A ROOT CAUSE
OF WALL STREET MONEY MELTDOWN?

Once again, Congress is being asked to rush through emergency legislation -- to cede effective control of the economy to the government.

Officials continue to blame lax lending policies on the part of the mortgage industry for spawning this crisis. But is that entirely true?

And is there a hidden agenda at work? Is government extra-judicial "targeting" of American citizens a root cause of the mortgage meltdown that spawned the broader financial crisis?

Consider this:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis OR
members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 23, 2008 12:12 PM

Someone posted: "Even Schwarzenegger (Strongest man in the world at one time) endorses Governor Palin"

Please note that Schwarzenegger has never been ranked as the "Smartest" man in the world -- at any time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:12 PM

****


NEWS UPDATE!
Hollywood, CA 09/23/08

Hollywood elite march to the same beat.

While the recent TV awards were bombing in the ratings, many disgruntled celebrities were heard discussing the political situation backstage:

Damon initiated the topic with G.Bush bahhh, followed by Johanssen chiming in with Palin bahhhh, accompanied by O'Donnell blabbing Rove bahhh, until finally, the vocal course of decay disciples singing "bahhh, bahhh, bahhh" in unison, was heard eminating from the room.

Global reporters couldn't help but notice how many stars and celebrities all march to the same beat, "Baahhh, Baahhh, Bahhhh"

Hey, "there's a little sheep in all of us", Madonna was quoted as saying...

jd


****

Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 23, 2008 12:09 PM

I was a national speaker a few years back, speaking in front of hundreds of people selling them a product. At times I was so nervous I would drink a few shots of vodka before going on... I acted a lot like Biden...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:07 PM

Anyone want more info on how the Annenberg's "factcheck.org" site has a conflict-of-interest bias toward Barack Obama?

Read the article today in the Wall Street Journal about Obama's strange executive tenure on the Annenberg foundation's bizarre project. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was a perverse attempt to teach radical activism via the educational program in Chicago schools, and Obama strangely vaulted to the top executive position of that program as a recent law grad, via William Ayers who was a founder of the Annenberg project.

This is the same Annenberg that brings you the "factcheck.org" site that has been posting lying, Obama-biased "factchecks" regarding Obama and McCain campaigns.

Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools
By STANLEY KURTZ

Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.

The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I've recently spent days looking through them.

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago's public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation's other key body, the "Collaborative," which shaped education policy.... One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation?... Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.

The CAC's agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers's educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland's ghetto.

In works like "City Kids, City Teachers" and "Teaching the Personal and the Political," Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? "I'm a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist," Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk's, "Sixties Radicals," at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.

CAC translated Mr. Ayers's radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with "external partners," which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).

Mr. Obama once conducted "leadership training" seminars with Acorn, and Acorn members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama's early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC's in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement....

more at: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop


Posted by: AsperGirl | September 23, 2008 11:35

))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Well it looks like all that crying paid off for McCain. If your trying to say Obama was a 6 year old bomber, forget it. And if you got anything against Obama that says he broke the law, you know where to file charges. Everything else is McCain putting 1+1 together and getting 5.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 12:06 PM

Is McCain saying that disabled individuals are not able to use computers???????

Yeah right. Blind people use computers, people with 1 arm use computers, people with no hands use computers.


There is no excuse for McLameo not to be able to use a computer--along with Palyin

They're ready to take this country a huge step backwards.

Keep running that ad...ask some disabled individuals if they would like to be in it-because these individuals who are blind, and sometimes missing body parts overcome challenges everyday and use computers thereby demonstrating more will, endurance, bravery and courage than McLameo ever will.

What are you going to change McCain?? Your diaper. Why don't you change yourself and come join the rest of us in the 21st century.

Take a note on this Biden

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:06 PM

At least its nice to know both Osama and Biden back pedal like clowns in the circus. Obama is a disgrace. I haven't seen a single ad he's ran that highlights what he, Biden and the Democrats can do for America. All I see is someone with out a plan attacking his challenger. It would be refreshing to hear what he has to offer? However I am behind McCain so it works out well for us. Osama will do his own self in.

Posted by: askgees | September 23, 2008 12:02 PM

I hear you on that. McSame is running around like a chicken with his head cut off. What crisis? What crisis?
I just added 300 bops on McSame at http://www.boppoll.com in under 5 minutes.

Go Team Obama!

Posted by: Lame McSame! | September 23, 2008 12:00 PM

Eddie, can you point to where McCain's injuries include his hands and/or where he says he cannot or has trouble typing?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:59 AM

I find it funny that none of the Mccain supporters on here ever say a word about a policy or a plan from the McClame camp. I wonder why? All you do is say things about Obama, I guess you people slave over him and just get all the info you can so you can come on here and attack away! What you don't realize is that while you're spending so much time on him, you're not even finding out anything about McClame other than the fact that he crashed a jet, fell to the ground, broke his wittle weg and arm so now he waves like Adolf Hitler. The moment he opens his mouth, I can hear and see the wincing by the repukelicans wondering if he's gonna say something stupid! Guess what, oil rigs are safe and FISH LOVE TO SWIM NEAR THEM, LOOK! LOOK! WHAT A TARD!

I mean over and over and over this dude, says the dumbest things and when he can't get his thought across, what does he do, he attacks!!! The more he does this, the more people think he don't have the temperment to be president. Ask George Will, he pretty much called him a little cry baby liar. Which is true! The fat lady is singing guys, OBAMA will be president!!! He is killing McClame in the polls! Sorry Aspengirl, and the rest. Sad lames.

Posted by: McCsame is a lame | September 23, 2008 11:54 AM

Every Independent I know is either planning on voting for Obama or sitting home. McCain has taken a swin through a cesspool of lies, distortions, and half truth to such an extent that no one with any degree of morality will even think of voting for him. And don't get us talking about his bimbo, Palin. What a self absorbed piece of trash that is, possing in her Americna flag bikini and holding up a gun. If you think that tramp is read to be the Commander In Chief you just plain nuts.

Posted by: Observer | September 23, 2008 11:50 AM

The add insulted all handi-cap persons. McCain was a P.O.W. Who had both hands and arms broken by his captors, and given no medical help. Obama, lied, period. He insulted ladies by lip-sick and pigs. Not president material. Also his attendence record in congress is very poor and not a good example to the your school children. If he gets elected will he troup around the world to get attention and not bet a good president???

Posted by: Eddie | September 23, 2008 11:49 AM

Alaska Crackdown Update


AP - Juneau
Following the round-up of her critics in Alaska, Governess Sarah Palin has gone on the offensive with the media decrying their coverage of her militaristic maneuvers to silence the investigation known as Troopergate.
"I am only one woman, doing everything I can to ensure the security of all citizens of this great state. If you only knew the plotting that is going right now - today - that puts all of us so very much in the Code Red territory. Not yellow, not orange, but really, really red." She explained her reasoning for mobilizing the state's National Guard as one of Homeland Security, adding, "If we learned anything from 9/11, it was 'Be alert, be ready and be Americans."
Palin reminded members of the press corps covering her campaign that she heard "terrorist chatter" that could not be taken lightly. "Chatter, people - real, live gosh darned chatter. It made the hair on my arms stand right up."
Meanwhile, some of those currently being detained as a "threat to Homeland Security" are members of Congress in Alaska's State House. None could be reached for comment. If this is not a joke their gonna lock her up in the loony bin.


Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 11:46 AM

My web site is votemuff.com

The democrats are hosting a rich mixed race guy,who wants to kill abortion surviving infants,is a former cocaine user, and a chain smoker,who has a minister that damned America,weather underground revolutionary friends, militant Muslim friends, an indicted campaign manager, and a rocky marriage relationship.

The republicans, are promoting a rich unhealthy,guy who ditched his wife while she was sick, for a younger richer woman, who had a drug problem. A guy who barely escaped indictment with the Keating 5.WHo worked against Boeing contracts for foreigners,Who let a minister bash Catholics without calling him on it.

The Vice President does matter.
Senator McCain is not healthy,it is very likely, that he will die in office if elected.
Do you want want Sarah as your Commander- in-Chief?

Biden may do better, in a military capacity.

But do really think he is the best talent we have.

Racist whites have been saying how Obama is not bullet proof.

With all the financial disasters, the war, oil problems,and so on, and so on, the environment is not being protected.

We can turn the economy around by cleaning the air,water, and food.

We can create business incentive to develop wind, geothermal, hydro, and solar.

We need to bring our troops home now. We can invite our Muslim allies to send peace keeping troops to Iraq.

The two candidates, and Hilary are part of the problem.

They are Senators now. What did they do to fix the problems?

Do not vote for a party,nor an incumbant.
WRITE IN DANIEL MUFFOLETTO.

NOT AS A PROTEST VOTE, BUT AS THE LAST CHANCE TO GET OUT OF THIS quick sand, sea of madness.
I am running as anEco-zGreen Democratic Republican. I am the only candidate that accepts no money from anyone. My government is not for sale.
votemuff.com


Posted by: DANIEL MUFFOLETTO | September 23, 2008 11:43 AM

Anyone want more info on how the Annenberg's "factcheck.org" site has a conflict-of-interest bias toward Barack Obama?

Read the article today in the Wall Street Journal about Obama's strange executive tenure on the Annenberg foundation's bizarre project. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was a perverse attempt to teach radical activism via the educational program in Chicago schools, and Obama strangely vaulted to the top executive position of that program as a recent law grad, via William Ayers who was a founder of the Annenberg project.

This is the same Annenberg that brings you the "factcheck.org" site that has been posting lying, Obama-biased "factchecks" regarding Obama and McCain campaigns.

Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools
By STANLEY KURTZ

Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.

The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I've recently spent days looking through them.

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago's public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation's other key body, the "Collaborative," which shaped education policy.... One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation?... Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.

The CAC's agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers's educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland's ghetto.

In works like "City Kids, City Teachers" and "Teaching the Personal and the Political," Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? "I'm a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist," Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk's, "Sixties Radicals," at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.

CAC translated Mr. Ayers's radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with "external partners," which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).

Mr. Obama once conducted "leadership training" seminars with Acorn, and Acorn members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama's early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC's in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement....

more at: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 23, 2008 11:35 AM

The add insulted all handi-cap persons. McCain was a P.O.W. Who had both hands and arms broken by his captors, and given no medical help. Obama, lied, period. He insulted ladies by lip-sick and pigs. Not president material. Also his attendence record in congress is very poor and not a good example to the your school children. If he gets elected will he troup around the world to get attention and not bet a good president???

Posted by: Eddie | September 23, 2008 11:19 AM

)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Why don't you stop lying. McCain used that lip-stick on a pig saying in a Town Hall Meeting before Obama. And if McCain can drink a glass of water he sure as hell can use a computer. And how do you know what kind of President Obama will be. And why don't you tell us about his bad attendance record. I'm sure you have it right there in front of you because you seem to know so much about it.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 11:33 AM

"Mr. McCain's war injuries, most of which he suffered in the first moments after ejecting from his aircraft, left his shoulders and right knee badly damaged. He now has degenerative arthritis in those joints, which will continue to deteriorate and may lead to a total shoulder replacement or a knee replacement, Dr. Eckstein said."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9b0ce0d9123ef936a35751c1a96f958260

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:33 AM

I don't think the ad is offensive at all. McCain is computer illiterate because he wants to be. I've seen quadraplegics who use computers.

Posted by: melro | September 23, 2008 11:32 AM

Governess Palin Mobilizes AK National Guard to End Troopergate

Check it out:

www.policywanker.blogspot.com

High-larious!

Posted by: policywanker | September 23, 2008 11:24 AM

ANONYMOUS, ASPERGIRL I'LL PUT YOU TOGETHER IN THE SAME PLACE.JUS SAY IT LOUD" I DON'T LIKE BARCK OBAMA." AMERICAN PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY "HE'S AFRICAN AMERICAN, BUT THEY NEVER SAY BARACK OBAMA AN IRLANDER AMERICAN..." WHERE HIS MOTHER FAMILY COME FROM; OH PEOPLE AMERICA STOP THOSE MERDE!!!

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 11:22 AM

*BREAKING*BREAKING**** VIDEO**
Joe Binden saying in a rope line a few days ago "NO COAL PLANTS IN THE US" way to lose PA Joe...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Biden_No_coal_plants_here_in_America.html?showall

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:58 AM

)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Biden's right. We're not going to build anymore coal plants in the U.S. We'll transform the ones we got to clean coal, but that's it. Besides, we don't have an electricity problem, we have an oil problem. Ya know, I was talking to a guy that said Biden sounded like he was wasted while giving a speech. I said it was a bad video. But after seeing that clip, he might be right. He sounds cooked.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 11:22 AM

"The caps lock is a key on a computer keyboard. Pressing it will set a keyboard mode in which typed letters are capitalized by default and (on some computers) in lower case when the shift key is pressed; the keyboard remains in this mode until caps lock is pressed again."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_lock

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:21 AM

HELLO HELLO HELLO BIDEN AND EVERYONE ELSE

DISABLED INDIVIDUALS CAN USE COMPUTERS--I KNOW DISABLED INDIVIDUALS THAT USE COMPUTERS MORE THAN I DO

IF HE DOESNT WANT TO TYPE HE CAN USE VOICE COMMAND A MOUSE OR VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS TO COMMUNICATE

THIS IS SUCH A NON-ARTICLE I SHOULD BE VP

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:21 AM

The add insulted all handi-cap persons. McCain was a P.O.W. Who had both hands and arms broken by his captors, and given no medical help. Obama, lied, period. He insulted ladies by lip-sick and pigs. Not president material. Also his attendence record in congress is very poor and not a good example to the your school children. If he gets elected will he troup around the world to get attention and not bet a good president???

Posted by: Eddie | September 23, 2008 11:19 AM

The MSM carries this kind of trivial stuff every day, but ignores important issues. Such as:

1) Obama had a long-term working relationship with terrorist William Ayers.
2) The Chicago Annenberg Challenge ("CAC"), the only executive experience on Obama's resume, was an objective failure despite the expenditure of millions of dollars.
3) Through the CAC, Ayers and Obama financed radical organizations, including one with a history of engaging in voter fraud.

You can read all about it here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html

Unless you think Sarah Palin's hairstyle is more important.

Posted by: BPSCG | September 23, 2008 11:19 AM

"I read my e-mails, but I don't write any," McCain told Fortune magazine in 2006. "I'm a Neanderthal -- I don't even type. I do have rudimentary capabilities to call up some Web sites, like the New York Times online, that sort of stuff. No laptop. No PalmPilot. I prefer my schedule on notecards, which I keep in my jacket pocket."

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/03/20/8371781/index.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:18 AM

HELLO HELLO HELLO BIDEN AND EVERYONE ELSE

DISABLED INDIVIDUALS CAN USE COMPUTERS--I KNOW DISABLED INDIVIDUALS THAT USE COMPUTERS MORE THAN I DO

IF HE DOESNT WANT TO TYPE HE CAN USE VOICE COMMAND A MOUSE OR VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS TO COMMUNICATE

THIS IS SUCH A NON-ARTICLE I SHOULD BE VP

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:18 AM

MCSAME AND PAINLIN FAILIN PLEGES TO RAISE HELL IN THE WORLD, NOT IN WASHINGTON...SHE'S A SMALL TOWN CRIMINAL AND BULY,AND NOW ON STAGE.OH PEOPLE IN AMERICA GET RID OF THOSE TWO, DON'T ELECTED THEM, IT WILL BE THE WORST DECISION AMERICA WILL EVER DO.HELP HELP HELP!!!THOSE TWO DEVIL LIKE GUN, LIKE WAR MUST GO TO HELL NO CHANGE NO PEACE WILL COME FROM MCSAME PAINLIN. AMERICAN PEOPLE ALWAYS SEE AS A GREAT AND INTELLIGENT NATION...SO MAKE THE BEST CHOICE FOR THE SAKE OF THE WORLD. VOTE VOTE VOTE BARACK OBAMA BIDEN 08!

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 11:13 AM

It's funny how the lying, Obama-promoting media carries the "clarification" but never carried the original statement in which Biden called the Obama ad "terrible". (Like when you ignored the John Edwards' WeirdHo love affair and love child until after he came out with a statement admitting to it).

Your own corrupt, biased "fact check" failed to note how dishonest this Obama ad bashing McCain for "computer out of touch cluelessness" was. LIke your corrupt "fact check" column usually does, it failed to note that each of the claims in the Obama ad were literally false (McCain can email if he wants and he does have a laptop he uses on the trail), and the lying WP "fact check" most importantly failed to note that he doesn't use computers much and isn't comfortable with them because his hands are too crippled from past torture to use the keyboard well

))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

You must have missed the part where Biden said this

But in the statement issued by the Obama campaign, Biden said he had never seen the ad and only read press reports of it.

"Having now reviewed the ad, it is even more clear to me that given the disgraceful tenor of Senator McCain's ads and their persistent falsehoods, his campaign is in no position to criticize," Biden said in

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 11:03 AM

By the way, the "factcheck.org" site is even worse when it comes to bias. Even for days after the "computer cluelessness" ad came out that was a lying, false attack ad from the Obama campaign on every level, there was no "factcheck" of it. Wonder if there is now, or how hard it would be to find it among the pile of exaggerated "findings" of dishonesty in McCain's statements?

factcheck.org is blatantly straining at gnats and swallowing camels to benefit Obama, even ignoring things that it can't spin away.

factcheck.org, by the way is an Annenberg foundation project, and Obama has been closely associated with Annenberg for years, directing millions of dollars in spending for Annenberg. In fact, it was William Ayers who was hooking up with Obama via Annenberg, where they worke

With the corruption of factcheck.org, it seems, it's open season on falsely painting McCain as a liar and falsely painting Obama lies as true (or ignoring them).

Obama's Lost Annenberg Years Coming to Light
By Thomas Lifson
(more at: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html)

And you wonder why Americans don't pay more attention to government, after dishing up your lies and partisan hack spins as news every day. Even your "fact checking" is corrupt slimy misreporting. If we could clean up journalistic ethics, we could have a better political environment.

Everything the conservatives have been saying about biased mainstream media all these years were true. I only began to notice during the Clinton campaign, tho. But now it's hard not to see how more than 50 percent of what you print is partisan garbage.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 23, 2008 11:00 AM

“I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself,” McCain told Adam Nagourney and Michael Cooper of The New York Times.

“I don’t expect to be a great communicator, I don’t expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need.”

"McCain said websites his staff often shows him include The Drudge Report, Politico.com and Real Clear Politics."

"In an interview in January with Politico and Yahoo News, McCain punted on whether he prefers a Mac or a PC.

“Neither,” he replied. “I am an illiterate that has to rely on my wife for all of the assistance that I can get.”"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11711.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:59 AM

*BREAKING*BREAKING**** VIDEO**
Joe Binden saying in a rope line a few days ago "NO COAL PLANTS IN THE US" way to lose PA Joe...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Biden_No_coal_plants_here_in_America.html?showall

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:58 AM

It's funny how the lying, Obama-promoting media carries the "clarification" but never carried the original statement in which Biden called the Obama ad "terrible". (Like when you ignored the John Edwards' WeirdHo love affair and love child until after he came out with a statement admitting to it).

Your own corrupt, biased "fact check" failed to note how dishonest this Obama ad bashing McCain for "computer out of touch cluelessness" was. LIke your corrupt "fact check" column usually does, it failed to note that each of the claims in the Obama ad were literally false (McCain can email if he wants and he does have a laptop he uses on the trail), and the lying WP "fact check" most importantly failed to note that he doesn't use computers much and isn't comfortable with them because his hands are too crippled from past torture to use the keyboard well.

Could there be a better example of how corrupt the WP "fact check" column is, and how biased the WP coverage of the campaign ads is, that it blanketed the whole Obama-lying-attack-ad story with silence until it puts up this Biden "clarification"?

I mean, the VP of the democratic ticket was more honest and unbiased about the Obama lying attack ad than the WP coverage of it was. How damning is that?

The NY Times coverage of the Obama "computer cluelessness" attack ad against McCain was no better than the Post's.

When will the public become aware of just how biased and corrupt the news coverage of this election year? Including the "fact check" columns and sites?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 23, 2008 10:50 AM

Sorry, comrades, no government bailout for us
6 commentsSept. 23, 2008 12:00 AM

Welcome comrades to the USSA - the United Socialist States of America.

Now that the government has decided to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a bailout of the nation's financial giants, transforming what had been a private enterprise into a state-run collective, you may rest assured that help is on the way.

Only not for you.
For instance, the $700 billion federal bailout comes too late to save Susan's Diner, a family-owned restaurant on Glendale Avenue that closed during the summer owing to the high price of supplies and a sluggish economy.

Then again, Susan Richey, her sister, her mom and all of the other relatives who worked at the diner wouldn't have gotten any rescue money even if the bailout had been instituted sooner.

Just the opposite is happening.

Hardworking people like Susan are being forced to come to the financial rescue of billion-dollar Wall Street big shots who, as one analyst put it, "became so much wealthier through what now seems like reckless bets on housing."

Sen. Jim Bunning, a Republican, said that the bailout "will take away the free market and institute socialism in America."

Maybe.

But in our brave new socialist world, the gravest economic sinners will be rewarded for their transgressions, creating a welfare state in which middle-class folks subsidize the rich

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 10:49 AM

HEMI:

Seriously, my friend....you are a joke.

You claim the mainstream media is 'in the tank' for Bush and McCain, and your two sources?
- A lunatic who believes 9/11 was orchestrated by our government, and
- "In These Times", a rag of socialists and conspiracy theorists.

Do you have anything valid to contribute?


Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 9:38 AM

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Do you mean these socialists. The GOP Leads A 'Socialist' Bailout
Wall Street Journal - Sep 21, 2008
It should be more than just a $700 billion bailout. It should also include billions to help homeowners avoid foreclosure, to assist the auto industry

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:42 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:38 AM

Just wonderful to see how Washington hasn't changed Joe Biden per Obama's statement when announcing him as his VP pick but Obama and his campaign sure have him twisting and turning now don't they. I guess you have to learn how to flip and flop on that ticket.

Posted by: flcracker | September 23, 2008 10:36 AM

It was a tacky ad but it is right on target. Its not about being old though, its about not being willing or able to deal with the world as it is today, as opposed to the world he lived in decades ago

There is a great AARP ad talking about a man who is behind the times - shows him driving a AMC Pacer. That man is just another version of John McCain

Posted by: nclwtk | September 23, 2008 10:34 AM

It seems to me that entire basis for calling McCain a "liar" is that his campaign ran an ad that says Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergartners.

FACT: Obama says the legislation is about warning kids about sexual predators.

CONCLUSION: In order to teach kids about sexual predators, you have to teach them what "predator" and "sexual" means. This means that "sex education" is indeed what the legislation is about.

FACT: There was also language about teaching K-12 about HIV.

I'm not against the legislation. I just think Obama is an idiotfor not standing behind it. He should've said exactly what it is instead of blaming McCain for telling the truth.

THERE IS NO LIE.

Posted by: TommyF | September 23, 2008

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Bull. That bill said appropriate age. And you teach little kids that people aren't supposed to touch you, not sex education. You know this so don't be stupid. And you also know how McCain tried to spin it. If he didn't, all those women on the talk shows wouldn't have come after him.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 10:32 AM

It's hard to believe that hump John McSame and his mutt Palin could pass judgement on anything Obama does. They've gone way past the gutter and are currently rutting and swimming in the sewer. He has no honor, integrity or decency. He has shamed his service to the country and he is an embarrassment to veterans everywhere.

Posted by: ex-conservative | September 23, 2008 10:27 AM

ANONYMOUS HUMMM!!! WELL, DO YOUR BEST VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA BIDEN 08

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 10:25 AM

Obama also gets good news in a new NC poll that has him tied, and Dems will get excited at SUSA's series of House polls from Ohio. Full roundup: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/09/23/dems-awake-to-good-news/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:22 AM

"Palin says she'll work with Personnel Board probe

TROOPERGATE: The governor picks the agency's members.

An attorney for the GOP vice presidential nominee met with an investigator for the state Personnel Board to discuss sharing documents and schedule witness interviews, McCain spokeswoman Meg Stapleton said. Neither she nor McCain spokesman Ed O'Callaghan had further details about the meeting and said they did not know if the governor or her husband would be interviewed."

"After that, however, Petumenos wants to keep the progress of the investigation confidential and the campaign will not have any further comment, McCain spokesman Taylor Griffin said."

"Separately, two Alaska Democrats said they may bring witness tampering allegations against the McCain-Palin campaign. The two state lawmakers, Rep. Les Gara and Sen. Bill Wielechowski, said they are evaluating Alaska's criminal code to see if it applies in what's become known as the Troopergate probe."

http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/534119.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:17 AM

In 2005, John McCain and others proposed a bill to the senate S.190(look it up) that was designed to prevent the problems we are having today. Alan Greenspan supported the bill and was totally pissed when the Democrats squashed it, claiming it was too "partisan". This bill, co-sponsored by Mr. McCain was designed to prevent the Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis we are facing today. So who is it that's all about change? John McCain, that's who!

Checkout some of these links:
www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:63:./temp/~bd53gD::

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:1:./temp/~r109x9V7sc:e217157:


www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/22/161210/626/427/606732

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN00190:@@@P

Posted by: Robert | September 23, 2008 9:52

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Ahhh, Didn't the republicans have control in 2005. And what about the bill that Pelosi tried to push through last month that would've stopped speculation in oil trading and the repubs shot it full of holes. After all that crying about drilling and telling the Dems to come back from vacation so they could lower gas prices, they kill the one thing that would've made a difference. No matter how you slice it, the Republicans only care about filling their pockets.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 10:16 AM

It seems to me that entire basis for calling McCain a "liar" is that his campaign ran an ad that says Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergartners.

FACT: Obama says the legislation is about warning kids about sexual predators.

CONCLUSION: In order to teach kids about sexual predators, you have to teach them what "predator" and "sexual" means. This means that "sex education" is indeed what the legislation is about.

FACT: There was also language about teaching K-12 about HIV.

I'm not against the legislation. I just think Obama is an idiotfor not standing behind it. He should've said exactly what it is instead of blaming McCain for telling the truth.

THERE IS NO LIE.

Posted by: TommyF | September 23, 2008 10:06 AM

HEMI:

So, your 'source' for alleging media bias for Bush and McCain is James Fetzer, a guy who also believes that 9/11 was orchestrated by the U.S. government, and that our government staged the hijackings, faked the tapes of phone calls from plane passengers to relatives, and believes the footage of the planes hitting the WTC is doctored and fake?

Thanks for posting that. It really helped pinpoint where your deranged views are coming from.

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 9:10 AM

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I could care less what he has to say. It just adds to what I already know. I've been chilling out watching this thing real close, and you'd have to be a moron (Or an Alien) to not realize what's going on. Every time McCain gets in trouble his poll numbers go up. I don't know if you know what's going on in this country, but McCain is crying like a baby because things aren't going his way. People all over the country are calling him a liar with zero credibility. All the talk shows are ganging up on him for saying Obama wants to teach sex ed. to Kindergarten children. He's become a chronic liar. It was a big mistake for McCain to start listening to his moron campaign people. Take a look at the BoooHooooing his boy is doing to the press. He wants them to push McCain's lies and he's blaming Obama's for McCain's big mouth. This is classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HabIoeqzL40

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 10:00 AM

I also find it interesting that McCain, FROM THE START, was very wary, even against, this $700 Billion bailout, while Obama is for it as much as he can be without making any commitment (naturally).

It appears now that there is much skepticism about this bailout and that McCain is about to be (again) on the right side of history while Obama will claim victory by merely waiting for an opportunity.

Posted by: TommyF | September 23, 2008 9:56 AM

Quiet down there Biden. Obama is the presidential candidate the majority of Americans want.

Biden needs to just focus on talking about uplifting the American people and prepare for his debate with Sarah Palin. Leave the presidential campaign stuff to the Obama folks.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 23, 2008 9:55 AM

Look, As an Obama supporter I think the ad was distasteful, as I assume most Obama supporters did. But this ad wasn't aimed at the intelligent among us. This ad was aimed at the less intelligent. The same people that McCain’s dirty ads are aimed at. Sadly ether side needs the vote of the moron to win.

Posted by: Creamsykle | September 23, 2008 9:54 AM

In 2005, John McCain and others proposed a bill to the senate S.190(look it up) that was designed to prevent the problems we are having today. Alan Greenspan supported the bill and was totally pissed when the Democrats squashed it, claiming it was too "partisan". This bill, co-sponsored by Mr. McCain was designed to prevent the Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis we are facing today. So who is it that's all about change? John McCain, that's who!

Checkout some of these links:
www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:63:./temp/~bd53gD::

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:1:./temp/~r109x9V7sc:e217157:


www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/22/161210/626/427/606732

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN00190:@@@P

Posted by: Robert | September 23, 2008 9:52 AM

How long until McCain "walks back" his anti-gay agenda now that his Chief of Staff Mark Buse has been "outed"? Or, how long until James Dobson "walks back" his endorsement of McCain?

Posted by: Ura Hack | September 23, 2008 9:50 AM

I saw an interesting TV show that explored the infirmities of Presidents of the 20th Century.

Roosevelt won WW2 with polio.

Kennedy had Addison's and terrible backaches. He often took amphetamines.

Reagan's shooting incident and Alzheimer's didn't stop him fro succeeding.

There were others but I don't remember them all.

The point being, great men overcome great obstacles. Small men seek to cut down great men.

Posted by: TommyF | September 23, 2008 9:50 AM

Vote for Obama and you will have DESTROYED Hillary's chance at
becomingPresident!!

Obama has already destroyed Hillary's chances for this time around.
Hillary wasn't willing to endure being the VP of such an inexperienced
candidate!

Consider this:
If you elect Obama for 2008 , Hillary CAN'T RUN IN 2012!! The
incumbent always runs for their party in reelection.

Hillary will then be 69 when she gets a chance to run as democrat.
Then people will call her old(like they do McCain who is 72) and she
will NEVER become President.

Reagan was 69 when he got elected but he wasn't trying to break the
glass ceiling at the same time.

So if you care at all about Hillary, you will VOTE AGAINST Obama this
time around. Plus, you will break the glass ceiling and Hillary WILL
BE THERE in 2012!!

Think about it!! It makes sense!!

If you support Hillary, YOU MUST VOTE AGAINST OBAMA!!!

Posted by: Eric | September 23, 2008 9:45 AM

Eh, so what? Many of Obama's supporters (myself included) thought the ad was terrible as well. Although Obama has bounced back in the polls since releasing that and some other tough ads, so what do I know?

Posted by: Laura | September 23, 2008 9:45 AM

Even Schwarzenegger "The Governator" (Strongest man in the world at one time) endorses Governor Palin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GIMKwtHh1Q&feature=related

Posted by: Rick | September 23, 2008 9:43 AM

Here's a special message for Obama / Biden, entitled "Dear Mr. Obama":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

Posted by: Michelle | September 23, 2008 9:39 AM

HEMI:

Seriously, my friend....you are a joke.

You claim the mainstream media is 'in the tank' for Bush and McCain, and your two sources?
- A lunatic who believes 9/11 was orchestrated by our government, and
- "In These Times", a rag of socialists and conspiracy theorists.

Do you have anything valid to contribute?

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 9:38 AM

ANONYMOUS HUMMMM! YOU JUST DON'T LIKE BARACK OBAMA IF YOU SAY HE DON'T HAVE NO PLAN...

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 23, 2008 9:30 AM

there are outliers, liers, damn liers and then there are statisticians.

Posted by: callit notlikeiseeit | September 23, 2008 9:29 AM

Biden was right when he criticized Obama's ad. He was also right when he criticized McCain's campaign techniques.

http://www.politicswithagrin.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Kristen | September 23, 2008 9:25 AM

Hemi, the man with a big mustache once said "the voters decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything"
Electronic voting machines are so easy to manipulate, esp since the manufacturers refuse to provide their source code for independent verification, and further the idiot voter can barely z** up his/her f^^ never mind input data on a touch screen. That's the advantage the repubs have over the dems---they are better educated and have a better chance to vote the way they want and make the voting machines do what they want. It IS RIGGED.

Posted by: callitlikeIseeit | September 23, 2008 9:24 AM

Anonymous - I am a statistician. I know how to frame a question to arrive at the outcome that I am looking for. One of the courses that I took was "How to Lie With Statistics".

The newly register voters are never polled.

Good try. I have read your other posts and I know that you oppose the Washington Post. Must consider the messenger and the message.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 23, 2008 9:22 AM

Joe Biden: "I am not interested in the vice presidency". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEtaAD12i2s

Posted by: American | September 23, 2008 9:20 AM

Mitt Romney is looking pretty good now.

Posted by: Fair and Balanced | September 23, 2008 9:18 AM

Mitt Romney is looking pretty good now.

Posted by: Fair and Balanced | September 23, 2008 9:18 AM

A Corrupted Election

Despite what you may have heard, the exit polls were right

by Steve Freeman and Josh Mitteldorf, In These Times
February 15th, 2005

Recall the Election Day exit polls that suggested John Kerry had won a convincing victory? The media readily dismissed those polls and little has been heard about them since.

Many Americans, however, were suspicious. Although President Bush prevailed by 3 million votes in the official, tallied vote count, exit polls had projected a margin of victory of 5 million votes for Kerry. This unexplained 8 million vote discrepancy between the election night exit polls and the official count should raise a Chinese May Day of red flags.

The U.S. voting system is more vulnerable to manipulation than most Americans realize. Technologies such as electronic voting machines provide no confirmation that votes are counted as cast, and highly partisan election officials have the power to suppress votes and otherwise distort the count.

Exit polls are highly accurate. They remove most of the sources of potential polling error by identifying actual voters and asking them immediately afterward who they had voted for.

The reliability of exit polls is so generally accepted that the Bush administration helped pay for them during recent elections in Georgia, Belarus and Ukraine. Testifying before the House Committee on International Relations Dec. 7, John Tefft, deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, explained that the Bush administration funded exit polls because they were one of the "ways that would help to expose large-scale fraud." Tefft pointed to the discrepancy between exit polls and the official vote count to argue that the Nov. 22 Ukraine election was stolen.

Grasping at explanations

Last November in the United States, as in Ukraine, the discrepancy between the presidential exit polls and the tallied count was far beyond the margin for error. At the time, Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International, the two companies hired to do the polling for the National Election Pool (a consortium of the nation's five major broadcasters and the Associated Press), didn't provide an explanation for how this happened. They promised, however, that a full explanation would be forthcoming.

On Jan. 19, on the eve of the inauguration, Edison and Mitofsky released their report, "Evaluation of Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004," which generated headlines such as MSNBC's "Exit Polls Prove That Bush Won." But, the report does nothing of the sort. It restates a thesis that the pollsters previously intimated—that the discrepancy was "most likely due to Kerry voters participating in the exit polls at a higher rate than Bush voters." But the body of the report offers no data to substantiate this position. In fact, data presented in the report serve to rebut the thesis, and bolster suspicions that the official vote count was way, way off.

The report states that the difference between exit polls and official tallies was far too great to be explained by chance ("sampling error"), and that a systematic bias is implicated.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 9:17 AM

This is why Obama will lose -

WASHINGTON (AP) - Barack Obama's support from backers of Hillary Rodham Clinton is stuck smack where it was in June, a poll showed Tuesday, a stunning lack of progress that is weakening him with members of the Democratic Party in the close presidential race.

An Associated Press-Yahoo News poll shows that among adults who backed his rival during their bitter primary campaign, 58 percent now support Obama. That is the same percentage who said so in June, when Clinton ended her bid and urged her backers to line up behind the Democratic senator from Illinois.

The poll shows that while Obama has gained ground among Clinton's supporters - 69 percent view him favorably now, up 9 percentage points from June - this has yet to translate into more of their support.

In part, this is because their positive views of Republican presidential nominee John McCain have also improved during this period.

Those supporting McCain have also edged up from 21 percent to 28 percent, with the number of undecided staying constant, the survey showed.

Clinton backers' reluctance to support Obama helps explain why he is having a tougher time solidifying partisan supporters than McCain. Overall, 74 percent of Democrats say they will vote for Obama, compared with 87 percent of Republicans behind the Arizona senator. About nine in 10 Clinton supporters are Democrats.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 9:15 AM

Now obama is changing his position (lying)
about the 2nd amendment, why do liberals
accept this pandering. yesterday he was
a liberal, now he is a spending slashing
anti-abortion, gun-toting, republican.
Give him a cowboy hat and he is the
reincarnated Ronald Reagen.

Posted by: simonsays | September 23, 2008 9:11 AM

love it!!!!!!!!!!!

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: DC MOM | September 23, 2008 9:10 AM

HEMI:

So, your 'source' for alleging media bias for Bush and McCain is James Fetzer, a guy who also believes that 9/11 was orchestrated by the U.S. government, and that our government staged the hijackings, faked the tapes of phone calls from plane passengers to relatives, and believes the footage of the planes hitting the WTC is doctored and fake?

Thanks for posting that. It really helped pinpoint where your deranged views are coming from.

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 9:10 AM

I was disappointed when Gov. Tim Kaine was not selected. Senator Obama's primary claim was to eliminate career Washington insiders. That changed to include a Washington insider.

I thought that Sen. Biden's claim that Sen. Hillary would have been a better VP candidate was a direct attack on Obama. Biden's disapproval of the Obama ad takes a direct attack on Senator Obama.

When you are on a team you support that team to the outer limits of esprit de corps. You don't support criminal activity.

Obama has been the target of hateful attacks that in another context would results in a hate investigation.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 23, 2008 9:07 AM

HEMI:

If you have really been watching and reading a variety of news outlets, and you are convinced the mainstream media is in love with Bush and 'rigging the election' for McCain, you are delusional. Absolutely delusional.

Just curious....have you ever had an abduction experience with aliens, per chance?

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 8:28 AM

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Preposterous polls and corrupt campaigns
By James H. Fetzer
Online Journal Contributing Writer


Aug 15, 2008, 00:16


Madison, WI -- What's wrong with this picture? Everyone hates George W. Bush. Everyone wants change. Over 65 percent of the American people agree the nation is headed in the wrong direction. One candidate is brilliant, inspiring, charismatic and represents change. The other is aging, inarticulate, incoherent and stands for the status quo. The first has been running a brilliant campaign, the other a campaign in virtual chaos. Each day one candidate offers serious solutions for significant problems, while the other makes a fool of himself. Yet the polls say, "McCain is gaining ground" and "Obama is losing ground." One national poll even has them running neck and neck or shows McCain ahead of Obama.

Do any of us stop and think that these poll results cannot possibly be correct? That when Obama meets with heads of state in the Middle East and Europe and draws 250,000 to a rally held in Berlin, while one reporter welcomes McCain in Manchester, NH, it is not credible that McCain should be competitive with Obama? Or that during a week in which celebrity Paris Hilton produces a video that very skillfully and effectively rebuts McCain's use of her image -- along with that of Brittany Spears -- we are supposed to believe (according to The Wisconsin State Journal, August 6, 2008), that "Among voters aged 18-29, Obama lost 16 percent and McCain gained 20." Are we supposed to be so dumb that we accept this at face value? Even after subtracting 16 percent from Obama and adding 20 percent to McCain, The Wisconsin State Journal (August 6, 2008) still gave Obama the lead among the young by 49 percent to 38 percent. The contrast if the polls were not reflecting (what I take to be) artificial adjustments would be on the order to 65 percent to 18 percent in this category. The Journal also reported that McCain had gained 10 percent among women, yet Obama still leads in that category, too, by 43 percent to 38 percent. Perhaps nominating your wife for "Miss Buffalo Chip" is a big draw among women. Among independents, Obama is reported to have lost 11 percent points, where they are now tied. Does anyone really think that women and the young find McCain attractive? He's never even heard of Paris Hilton! How does this comport with report after report of dramatic increases in voter registration with an overwhelming preference for the Democratic Party? Three possible explanations have occurred to me. The first is that the pollsters are excluding those who use cell phones. Cell phone users are, no doubt, overwhelmingly young and attuned to the politics of change. The second is that Hillary has asked her followers to express support for McCain rather than Obama to make her case for the nomination stronger. The third -- and most disturbing -- is that the polls are being artificially depressed to make the contest appear closer, so that when the time come to steal the election, the American public will be less likely to notice. The benefits are potentially substantial: Doubts are created in the minds of Obama's followers, decisions may be made to cope with imaginary problems, and a McCain win would appear more plausible.

Anyone who thinks the GOP is beyond stealing elections using electronic voting machines hasn't been paying attention. The elections of 2000, 2002, and 2004 were strongly affected, as many studies have shown. Just Google "election theft using electronic voting machines" if you have any doubts. More ominously, an extreme Bush partisan, Michael L. Connell of GovTech Solutions, has been selected to re-organize congressional web sites and has thereby gained access to the electronic records of the Senate Judiciary Committee and the House Ethics Committee, as the voter fraud and polling expert Bob Fitrakis has observed ("Behind the firewall: Bush loyalist Mike Connell controls Congressional secrets as his email sites serve Karl Rove," Online Journal, July 31, 2008). Connell boasts of his loyalty to his friends and to the Bush family.


Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 8:56 AM

'haymarketbill' said:
"It is good to see [Palin] is gaining foreign policy experience going to places like Florida, Pennsylvania and Virginia. Next up, International experience going to Niagara Falls, peering into Canada and perhaps San Diego to peer into Mexico."

Well, let me give you some hope 'haymarketbill'. After meeting with a few foreign leaders this week, Sarah Palin will only need a one week globe-trotting trip to completely catch up with Barack Obama in terms of foreign policy experience.

And since you are obviously comfortable with Obama as PRESIDENT, then surely that will put to rest any uneasiness you have about Palin's foreign policy readiness to be VICE-PRESIDENT.

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 8:54 AM

Hey why is it that when Dems run and ad that says if you elect a Republican a Black Church will burn. Wasnt The Dems formed by former Confederate Officers after the Civil War.

Posted by: david | September 23, 2008 8:49 AM

Sorry, but if McCain is gonna play the POW card he has to take the gotchas along with the gimmes.

If there's any truth to the connection between his POW experiences and an inability to use a computer, then it calls his fitness to serve as President into question.

Computer familiarity is a practical skillset that anyone in any high public or private position simply must possess these days. It's the modern functional equivalent of knowing how to read, write and do basic math.


Posted by: laboo | September 23, 2008 8:20 AM

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They made a real big deal out of this computer business. I read an article that called for Obama to apologize to every disabled Veteran in the country. They try make it seem like McCain can't move at all. If he can lift a glass of water to drink, he can use a computer. McCain's always playing the wounded duck.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 8:46 AM

AlexP1:

I think you missed a few interesting connections to the current financial crisis:
- Jim Johnson
- Robert Rubin
- Larry Summers
- Austan Goolsbee
- Franklin Raines
- Laura Tyson
- Paul O'Neil
- Paul Volcker
- William Daley
- Sen Chris Dodd
- Rep Barney Frank

All these folks are also involved up to their eyeballs in what created the financial mess we are in. They are all Obama advisors or part of Obama's campaign.

Oh wait, now I see. You just wanted to focus on McCain's advisors tied to the financial crisis. You didn't want to bring up Obama's ties. Sorry about that...

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 8:46 AM

laboo:

If you believe fluency with computer use is a requirement to carry out the duties of the Presidency, you really should retake your high school civics class.

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 8:33 AM

I think that all of the attention to "ad's" is a wate of time....

Since McCaint is the new "regulator" and the "cleaner" of the Washington Lobbyist Drugdealers....he should start by getting rid of these first....

AIG - Wayne Berman, National Finance Committee Co-Chair

Merrill Lynch - Charlie Black, McCain Campaign Senior Adviser

Merrill Lynch - Judy Black, Women for McCain Steering Committee

Merrill Lynch - Daniel Crippen, Senior Policy Adviser

Merrill Lynch - James Hyland, Virginia Steering Committee

Merrill Lynch - Peter Madigan, fundraiser

Merrill Lynch - Steve Phillips, fundraiser

Lehman Brothers - Charlie Black, McCain Campaign Senior Adviser

Lehman Brothers - Vicki Hart, Women for McCain Steering Committee

Bank of America - David Crane, Senior Policy Adviser

Fannie Mae - Kirsten Chadwick, fundraiser, Women for McCain Steering Committee

Fannie Mae - Arthur Culvahouse, head of McCain V-P search

Fannie Mae - Alison H. McSlarrow, Women for McCain Steering Committee

Fannie Mae - Aquiles Suarez, Economic Adviser

Freddie Mac - Juleanna Glover Weiss, Women for McCain Steering Committee

Cindy Fiorina- Fired Exec at Hewlett Packard with a 27 million dollar golden parachute

Rick Davis - Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Lobbyist who received 30,000 a month...just because he was in McCaints Campaign in 2007....

...One who live in 7 glass mansions should not throw golde stones.....

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 23, 2008 8:30 AM

I think that all of the attention to "ad's" is a wate of time....

Since McCaint is the new "regulator" and the "cleaner" of the Washington Lobbyist Drugdealers....he should start by getting rid of these first....

AIG - Wayne Berman, National Finance Committee Co-Chair

Merrill Lynch - Charlie Black, McCain Campaign Senior Adviser

Merrill Lynch - Judy Black, Women for McCain Steering Committee

Merrill Lynch - Daniel Crippen, Senior Policy Adviser

Merrill Lynch - James Hyland, Virginia Steering Committee

Merrill Lynch - Peter Madigan, fundraiser

Merrill Lynch - Steve Phillips, fundraiser

Lehman Brothers - Charlie Black, McCain Campaign Senior Adviser

Lehman Brothers - Vicki Hart, Women for McCain Steering Committee

Bank of America - David Crane, Senior Policy Adviser

Fannie Mae - Kirsten Chadwick, fundraiser, Women for McCain Steering Committee

Fannie Mae - Arthur Culvahouse, head of McCain V-P search

Fannie Mae - Alison H. McSlarrow, Women for McCain Steering Committee

Fannie Mae - Aquiles Suarez, Economic Adviser

Freddie Mac - Juleanna Glover Weiss, Women for McCain Steering Committee

Cindy Fiorina- Fired Exec at Hewlett Packard with a 27 million dollar golden parachute

Rick Davis - Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Lobbyist who received 30,000 a month...just because he was in McCaints Campaign in 2007....

...One who live in 7 glass mansions should not throw golden stones.....

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 23, 2008 8:30 AM

HEMI:

If you have really been watching and reading a variety of news outlets, and you are convinced the mainstream media is in love with Bush and 'rigging the election' for McCain, you are delusional. Absolutely delusional.

Just curious....have you ever had an abduction experience with aliens, per chance?

Posted by: dbw | September 23, 2008 8:28 AM

And I quote... If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.' Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, you're a quintessential American story. If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim. Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick. Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable. Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded. If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising two daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian. If you teach responsible, sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society. If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence-only while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible. If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude' with at least one DWI conviction and no college education your family is extremely admirable.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 8:27 AM

Sorry, but if McCain is gonna play the POW card he has to take the gotchas along with the gimmes.

If there's any truth to the connection between his POW experiences and an inability to use a computer, then it calls his fitness to serve as President into question.

Computer familiarity is a practical skillset that anyone in any high public or private position simply must possess these days. It's the modern functional equivalent of knowing how to read, write and do basic math.

Posted by: laboo | September 23, 2008 8:20 AM

Unfortunately, Biden is the most qualified of the whole lot to be president- nice choices we are stuck with this time...
Hopefully he plays a big part in the Barak presidency- since Barak has done little in his political career to show that he knows what he is doing- I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Barak listens to him.
Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:19 AM

Democrats never cease to amaze me. This is an article about Joe Biden and yet another of his gaffes and they turn it around to blame and attack McCain/Palin.

Joe Biden earned a little bit of respect from me when he took a stand about the terrible ad attacking McCain without learning about his physical limitations due to his service rendered to this nation as a POW during the Viet Nam war.

But sadly, that respect quickly faded when I read that Joe didn't have the guts to stand by his convictions.

Posted by: Sad | September 23, 2008 8:10 AM

How on earth will the government be able to program all the necessary sound bites into Miss America's pull-string should the PALIN/mccain ticket get elected? Miss Sarah America will need more gadgets than 007 to appear knowledgeable when taken off the shelve and placed into public.

It is good to see she is gaining foreign policy experience going to places like Florida, Pennsylvania and Virginia. Next up, International experience going to Niagara Falls, peering into Canada and perhaps San Diego to peer into Mexico.

Miss America has become quite the celebrity, much like this year's American Idol contestants - and forgotten just as quickly.

Posted by: haymarketbill | September 23, 2008 6:50

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I have a feeling Bush is going to have this election fixed so McCain wins. No matter how much McCain screws up the media keeps putting out headlines saying how good McCain is doing. He got slammed last week but the media made up for it with a rural voter poll that gives McCain a bump. Now their putting out headlines saying Obama could get hit with up to 6 points because of race and cost him the election. They want people to think this race is close so people won't freak out when the election is rigged and McCain wins. I've been watching this thing for months and it's impossible not to notice what the media is doing. Their so predictable. Obama's largest base would be people with cell phones but they don't include them in their polls. One of them said they did a sample with cell phones. Yeah, like I really believe that. I'm getting real tired of listening to the BS.

Posted by: Hemi | September 23, 2008 7:46 AM

http://www.nothingcontroversial.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7132


regarding "community organiser"

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committe e, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

If your total resume is: local weather girl (sports caster), 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with fewer than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

Posted by: Serge Birbrair | September 23, 2008 7:39 AM

Say what you want but....
Biden has more than seeing Russia from the Alaskan Island in his political experience and
Obama unlike McCain knows where Spain is and not declaring war on their President.

Ignorance is bliss and the McCain /Palin ticket will not be elected by racists, this I conceede, the ticket will be elected by the bunch of even bigger ignoramuses believing that dinosaures are 5000 years old.

Posted by: Serge Birbrair | September 23, 2008 7:34 AM

Let the gaffes begin. It will be fun to watch these two nitwits. The ObaBiden Gaffe-O-Rama begins.
During the introduction of his new running mate Obama said, “So let me introduce to you the next president - Joe Biden.”
And then when it was Biden’s turn to speak, the Delaware senator called the presumptive Democratic nominee “Barack America” instead of Barack Obama.
OBAMA BLEW IT WITH VP PICK!

AP: Analysis: Biden pick shows lack of confidence

Obama Picks Old White Man as Running Mate

I think he can be ready, but right now, I don't think he is," Biden told ABC News debate moderator George Stephanopoulos about an Obama Presidency. "The presidency is not something that lends itself to on the job training."

Selecting Joe Biden who voted for the Iraq war, won his job in the Senate over 35 years ago when Obama was only 11, detracts Obama ticket's agent of change, yes and he voted for the IRAQ war, an old guy according to Obama camp during the primaries. His selection removes all attacks Obama camp using against McCain…Bad bad decision…Maybe doing what Uncle Ted told him to do, by letting inexperienced Caroline Kennedy make the VP decision wasn’t such a good idea.

Obama will loose…

Biden dropped out of the 2008 race after a poor finish, but not before he talked dismissively of joining someone else's ticket. "I am not running for vice president," he said in a Fox interview. "I would not accept it if anyone offered it to me. The fact of the matter is I'd rather stay as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee than be vice president." It was his second try for the White House. The first ended badly in 1988 when he was caught lifting lines from a speech by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. Just like Obama.

VP pick Joe Biden’s known as (“The gaffe machine”) wild mouth managed to run him afoul with Indians, 7-Eleven clerks and African-Americans.

"You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking," he told C-SPAN. "I mean you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean “he enthused. "I mean, that's a storybook man, not a fairy tale??

This ticket has already begun to will draw deep criticism from Democratic voters who support Obama for his stand against the war in Iraq. Now that’s appears not too important to Obama? This guy is a total flip flopping liar. These voters who will never forgive Biden for approving the war anymore than they would forgive President Bush or former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld nor Obama for playing his faithful supporters as fools. It shows Obama have no Plan or direction.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 7:04 AM

CNN & MSNBC PLEASE EXPLAIN TO AMERICAN PUBLIC! WHY ITS RACIST WHEN WHITE VOTERS DO NOT AGREE OR SUPPORT THE INEXPERIENCED MEDIA MADE OBAMA, BUT IT’S NOT RACISM WHEN 90% PLUS BLACK VOTERS ARE ONLY SUPPORTING THE BLACK CANDIDATE? LIKE OPRAH ETC…
Barack Obama privately tried to persuade Iraqi political leaders to stall an agreement on scaling back American troops in Iraq while publicly campaigning for a speedy withdrawal, Obama’s campaign is not a train wreck; it’s Chernobyl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqHFk-3yQM
One of CNN's leading Obama sychophants, Candy Crowley, let the cat out of the Obama bag, when she told viewers that the Obama campaign had wanted horrific Wall Street headlines to help their campaign. Crowley, and fellow Obama sychophant David Gergen, were extolling the virtues of bad economic news for the Obama campaign. Of course, no one would expect CNN to actually deal with the issue of who or what party is responsible for the economy. No, their template is the economy is horrible, we are going to blame Bush and McCain and Obama will benefit. The Drudge Report had this story on its site this morning, but realized how bad this is for the Obama campaign. It's beyond audacious that we have one candidate for President who is full of hope. Hope that the economy is so bad, that he can win an election because of it. The conservative internet has its work cut out.
Fannie Mae CEO Shown Affirming his Connection to Congressional Black Caucus and Barack Obama, Where is the Media? Daniel Mudd, interim CEO of the catastrophically failed mortgage lender Fannie Mae, affirmed his fealty and that of Fannie Mae to the Congressional Black Caucus. The top three campaign donation recipients were Democrats, number two of which was Barack Obama, yet the media is laying mum on these facts.
The mainstream media has frankly put the security of our great country at risk with an Obama coronation media like CNN & MSNBC is the only way Obama managed to steal the Dem nom. It’s extremely concerning that so many Americans could care less about who their candidate really is?? simply amazing and frankly scarey.

PLEASE WATCH AND SHARE WITH EVERYONE ASAP

"The Last 100 Days"
Hon. James David Manning, PhD.

www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 7:03 AM

How on earth will the government be able to program all the necessary sound bites into Miss America's pull-string should the PALIN/mccain ticket get elected? Miss Sarah America will need more gadgets than 007 to appear knowledgeable when taken off the shelve and placed into public.

It is good to see she is gaining foreign policy experience going to places like Florida, Pennsylvania and Virginia. Next up, International experience going to Niagara Falls, peering into Canada and perhaps San Diego to peer into Mexico.

Miss America has become quite the celebrity, much like this year's American Idol contestants - and forgotten just as quickly.

Posted by: haymarketbill | September 23, 2008 6:50 AM

good night america.... please close the door on the way out

Posted by: kk | September 23, 2008 6:48 AM

Compared to the lip-synching, tele-prompter-reading Sarah Palin, Joe is a breath of fresh air.

And, just to let you in on a little secret, Joe isn't trying to appeal to the inside-the-beltway crowd. He is playing to the blue-collar folks in the Rust Belt....and he is doing pretty well there.

Posted by: Losercuda | September 23, 2008 6:36 AM

Community organizer = communist agitator.

Posted by: Ed Maleszewski | September 23, 2008 6:35 AM

Ed is right - they say "Jesus was a community organizer." I haven't read the part of the bible that talks about how Jesus went about organizing the Jews to rabble goodies from the Romans. Maybe the demonic-rats have a different version of the bible...or, maybe, have never read it.

Posted by: ccigator | September 23, 2008 6:35 AM

Community organizer = communist agitator.

Posted by: Ed Maleszewski | September 23, 2008 6:35 AM

Ed is right - they say "Jesus was a community organizer." I haven't read the part of the bible that talks about how Jesus went about organizing the Jews to rabble goodies from the Romans. Maybe the demonic-rats have a different version of the bible...or, maybe, have never read it.

Posted by: ccigator | September 23, 2008 6:24 AM

Biden has never made a comment that he could not retract at some time or other. I don't know how those Delaware voters keep electing him...unless he is ONE of them...what a scary thought.

Posted by: Sam Deakins | September 23, 2008 5:37 AM

Joe Biden: "I am not interested in the vice presidency".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEtaAD12i2s

Posted by: American | September 23, 2008 3:41 AM

Although McCain is the GOP nominee,you folks must remember that the republican base is not crazy about him.But you Dems who detest him will have to live with your error because it was you and your lib media that selected him for us.He will be our next president,for the alternative is just unthinkable,but it will be the libs doing.

Posted by: bingo bongo | September 23, 2008 3:33 AM

Get your news from independent and unbiassed sources to make up your mind for voting. CNN ran documentaries on the lives of John McCain and Barack Obama. They are very revealing, you can watch them on CNN.com and on Youtube. Don't use speculation from Op-Ed columns disguised as fact based reporting. There is nothing more important than looking up the history of each candidate and their upbringing to tell their character and motives. I will go no further than that to say this election is clear cut in terms of change versus "same old".

If you spew racist hate and simple intellect out every day online under an alias becuase you wish to impose your views on others, and then put on a suit and go to work and act like you view people as equals, you now know you're part of the problem. Racism to skew the vote will not work, it only reflects on the imbalance in your support group and party. Chances are, its going to be a black paramedic that saves your life one day, will you talk about Koolaid, Darkies, and Fried Chicken then?...

The only "change" that can truly happen is to have a mixed race candidate in office, I say "Mixed race" because Barac Obama is not "black" in the scientific sense, he is mixed race, and he was raised by white people, but in public view that means nothing to most people. How have we had so many debates on ending equal opportunity and affirmative action when this election has shown so deeply that racism still exists? The same people we drop resume's to are the same people who undercover hide deep seated feelings of holding people to a skin color standard? Washingtonpost should let people express racist views, because thats the only way to know true demogrpahics on hate.

The same platform most racist commenters argue from has no support when you examine the racial inaacuracy of comments against him. White christian men and women have been in the White house for years now, as Presidents and First Ladies, Don't fool yourself, THATS NOT CHANGE.

John McCain has a history of changing to suit success, its proven by independent biographies on his life, he has also shown by this campaign that he will try anything to win, even lying when its already public knowledge that he is lying, whether its for good or bad purposes. The effect of telling lies to people despite public reports to the contrary is one of the most deceptive traits one can use in a campaign. That my friends, if you vote for him, is more of the same, even though McCain ripped off Obama's campaign slogan of "Change" after he saw it was working and wore it as his own slogan...

Posted by: Jack5 | September 23, 2008 3:28 AM

fsteele

your comments ring hollow and ridiculous. The Palin-McCain campaign is every bit as much guilty of your opinions about the Obama-Biden campaign.

Posted by: usa3 | September 23, 2008 2:06 AM

Biden was for Obama's ad after he was against it? His statement does sound a little ... morning-after-ish.

The whole Obama campaign is not ready for prime time! First they do a tasteless ad without homework vetting -- McCain's inability to use his hands on a keyboard has been written about for years, in Salon and elsewhere.

If it's true that Biden spoke before seeing Obama's ad, that shows bad judgement and hasty speech from Biden.

True or not, the later speech sounds like a clumsy, offensive backpaddle forced on Biden by the campaign.

None of this is the sort of performance we want in the White House.

The fact that McCain has accomplished much even with handicaps, shows that he has great ablility and adaptability.

Posted by: fsteele | September 23, 2008 2:01 AM

I for one am not exactly thrilled that John McCain can't use a computer. This guy is living in the stone age, and quite frankly the world has changed considerably. I would like a leader who understands the key issues of our times, someone who thinks to the future, and not someone constantly living in the past like John McCain. Comments welcome: http://whenelephantsfly.blogspot.com

Posted by: When Elephants Fly (http://whenelephantsfly.blogspot.com) | September 23, 2008 1:33 AM

If people are smart they won't go to a .nu address like the link has. That is unless they WANT to get their computer hijacked.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 1:20 AM

You have got to read this beautiful piece of investigative journalism folks,

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php

How the Obama campaign has systematically gone about smearing/destroying Sarah Palin. If this bit of astro-turfing conducted by David Axelrod is not similar, even better than, the Rovian strategy of doing character assassination then what is?

Note how the involved parties, including David Axelrod, embarked today on trying to delete accounts and modifying wikipedia entries inside an hour after this piece was published.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 1:18 AM

powerrange:

No, no, no! It isn't Obama, Palin is the Anti-Christ. When are you going to get it right?

Posted by: usa3 | September 23, 2008 1:17 AM

Gee Maryt,

Isn't he allowed to change his mind? I honestly don't think he would have accepted the VP position if he didn't believe Obama would make a good president. But then most people know little to nothing about Biden until he was selected by Obama for the VP slot.

It isn't like McCain doesn't change his positions now is it?

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 23, 2008 1:16 AM

Oh, yea, one more thing as I engaged my brain...Obama is the Anti-christ...for those who vote for the Kool-aid kid, you will be sorry he's gotten you drunk on his communist/socialist message...90% of the Americans will get a tax cut...huh? If 40% don't pay taxes, how can they get a tax cut...they will get a check, but it is NOT a tax cut....I call it welfare...drink the kool aid and join Jim Jones' disciples

Posted by: powerrange | September 23, 2008 1:14 AM

I'll take Joe's perceived (by some) gaffes any day of the week. At least you know he isn't trying to BS anyone like the other VP candidate.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 23, 2008 1:13 AM

Biden was also the one that said "Obama would be a President in training"

Hillary said he could not answer the phone at 3AM and make executive decisions.

There is a reason they said this! because they believe it is true!!!

Posted by: Maryt | September 23, 2008 1:12 AM

Joe has GOT to be kidding me...what a moron...he's the "ready, shoot, aim" type of leader that is so destructive...engage brain, then engage mouth...strike 4 for Obama, Biden

Posted by: powerrange | September 23, 2008 1:08 AM

While people are pondering the "Chicago" politics of Senator Obama, consider what the McCain campaign has been doing in Florida - outright voter fraud. Sending mailings out to people registered as Democrats with intentionally false information so that they might think that they are not registered correctly. He's had countless of his campaign ads and stump speech points COMPLETELY debunked by independent groups. Is this really who you want to trust with this great nation? Not me.

In 2000 I was a McCain supporter, but the McCain today is a completely different man. It's so sad what a slimeball he has become, corrupted by the Karl Rove political machine.

Posted by: McCain is a liar | September 23, 2008 1:06 AM

Biden was right the first time. The Obama campaign started hitting below the belt right after the Palin phenomenon. It's just been a sleaze fest ever since. Bill Clinton's dissembling, faking, fooling nobody but himself and maybe herself. No matter what the Obama campaign needs to do, let Biden be truthful. You stayed clean this long and now you are just competing. Still, you are far better than the sleazy alternative. So let Biden be himself. He's an asset and he's knocking himself out for the vision. Unlike the Clintons who are oh so clever. And McCain and Palin who are oh so exciting to the rigidly righteous wealthy and selfish and white. It's a mess.

Posted by: Gaias Child | September 23, 2008 1:05 AM

"his first comment was the truth - it is a isgraceul ad. Maccain has war injuries he cannot even comb his hair or raise his arms how is he going to type - and to ridicule someone who is disabled is a disgrace."

The ad had absolutely NOTHING to do with McCain's injuries. It had to do with the fact that MCCAIN HIMSELF admitted to NOT KNOWING HOW to use a computer. He didn't say he couldn't because he was disabled, he said that he DIDN'T KNOW HOW. The whole idea that this was somehow a slight against his infirmities is a 100% McCain campaign fabrication. For all the whining that the GOP did about the "race card", they're simply playing the "disabled card".

Posted by: McCain is a liar | September 23, 2008 12:58 AM

KansasGirl:

What is the middle initial "S" in McCain's name for? Oh yeah, that's right, Satan. Because he sold his soul to Satan out of his desperation to become president.

Posted by: usa3 | September 23, 2008 12:51 AM

Deep Blue is right, guys. I remember the reporter that was killed because I lived in Arizona at the time. Don (or Dan?) Bolles was his name, and they used a car bomb to kill him.

I also remember thinking what a weasel McCain was for dumping his first wife.

And the Keating thing... don't forget about that. McCain really IS a sleazeball, besides being a demented senior citizen.

Posted by: mavisdarling | September 23, 2008 12:49 AM

Between Bill Clinton and Joe Biden, Hussein doesn't need anymore friends. Also, no do-overs Joe.

Posted by: KansasGirl | September 23, 2008 12:43 AM

I bet this editor will write up a fake cover story about about how the Democratic State Senator Mike Kernell's son hacked Governor Sarah Palin's email account and posted it on the internet.

Posted by: Wired | September 23, 2008 12:43 AM

I think the ad was SPOT on and I think it was aimed at people in Obama's generation. People in their 40's have parents who are McCain's age, and let's face it folks... at that age they start to slip up, be forgetful and are generally not as sharp as younger people. FACT.

McCain's age scares me. I think he's showing signs of dementia. I don't see any ads making fun of demented senior citizens, do you? Get a grip, people.

McCain is a senior citizen. Most people his age are RETIRED. PERIOD. There are plenty of productive senior citizens, but I don't want one running my country, thank you very much.

Posted by: mavisdarling | September 23, 2008 12:43 AM

reality buff,

Senator Clinton is hardly a moderate and I don't think picking her would have been as wise a choice as some people would or would want you to believe. Joe Biden is a very decent person with a great deal of experience and a creditable record of public service. I happen to believe Biden was an excellent pick and even though he has been in congress since he was 29, he has almost always sided with working folks even if it wasn't the popular view of the day.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 23, 2008 12:38 AM

"Barack Obama has brought the sleazy gutter politics of Chicago to our national stage."

This from the campaign that opposes teaching Kindergartners how to protect themselves from pedophiles? I used to have a lot of respect for John McCain and I actually believed his speech at the RNC. But in the last month he has proven just how much Washington has changed him. It's really sad what the campaign drives people to say and do. By the time they've done what it takes to win, I would never want to vote for them. Sorry John you've lost all credibility.

Posted by: heartprivacy | September 23, 2008 12:33 AM

Sigh, John McCain has lied so often to the American people. He has shown that he will do or say anything to get himself elected.

Country First? Yeah .. right, and I got a bridge to nowhere to sell you.

Posted by: Mark | September 23, 2008 12:33 AM

Given that McCain ditched his first wife, married into the Hensley-Marley-Lansky organized crime family and then used that fortune and network to launch his political career, I'd say that McCain has to thank the press for keeping the American people in the dark about his true character.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/us/politics/23mccain.html

Kemper Marley was Arizona's billionaire crime boss. He allegedly had an investigative reporter killed for investigating him. McCain's father in law, Jim Hensley, worked directly for Marley and Hensley was awarded his liquor distributorship after taking the fall for Marley on felony charges. (Represented at the trial by... William Rehnquist, who could even get him off...)

McCain married into that corrupt Phoenix/Vegas/LA network.

And the press has not done its job in vetting, investigation him, and reporting those important facts to the American people.

The press is either intimidated or bought off by McCain.

If the NY Times article was incorrect, McCain would have sued them.

If the NY Times article is correct, then he cannot be POTUS; he is compromised.

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 23, 2008 12:32 AM

Just think Obama could have picked Hillary and united the whole Democratic Party, appealed to moderates and Latinos, But he is now stuck with Biden.

Smart move! Not

Posted by: reality buff | September 23, 2008 12:32 AM

I'm for Obama but it was a stupid ad. Denigrating older people gets us votes? Where I am, the Virginia Beach area, the Obama campaign is in disarray, run by a bunch of college kids and not very bright ones. One of them may have written that ad.

Posted by: beachbob | September 23, 2008 12:29 AM

I am very certain that Obama didn't want to run a campaign this way, but he has to fight fire with fire, people. The ad wasn't supposed to be "nice".

How easily some of you forget about the VILE racist ads the Republican party is running on John McCain's behalf, and McCain is not denouncing those, is he? Sorry, but I think the ad in question was MILD compared to some of the stuff the Republicans are saying about Obama. All you holier-than-thou types need to get a grip.

Welcome to politics in the USA. Yeah, Biden is honest. How refreshing. Carly Fiorina was honest last week when she said neither McCain nor Palin could run a corporation, and in case some of you don't know, Fiorina is McCain's ECONOMIC advisor.

McCain is running typical Republican SLEAZE ads, and if Obama wants to win, he must do the same. That's politics, folks. That's what the country wants! Unfortunately.

This crap happens on both sides of the fence. Maybe if McCain would quit making up so many lies, he wouldn't get targeted like that, dontchya think? It's like, DUH, people.

Posted by: mavisdarling | September 23, 2008 12:27 AM

Henry,

I would almost agree with you except experience is only one attribute of a great (and even not so great responsibility wise) leader.

One which I feel is equally as important is an ability to reason clearly and understand consequences. I have known and seen many an experienced person who had no ablility to lead.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 23, 2008 12:25 AM

McCain aide blows gasket, rips New York Times - By Jimmy Orr from CSM

There are many ways to get things done in the world of diplomacy. You can kill ‘em with kindness, or you can just try to kill ‘em.

On a conference call today with reporters on the topic of the New York Times, John McCain strategist Steve Schmidt chose option B.

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/22/mccain-aide-blows-gasket-rips-new-york-times/

Posted by: Bobby | September 23, 2008 12:23 AM

Most people ignoring the fact the election is for some one who is able to lead. To lead a country is not to be the smartest but the most experienced to handle to terrible time we are in.

Posted by: Henry | September 23, 2008 12:20 AM

webscribes,

How do you know Obama is "so radical behind close doors"? Have you been there? Do you have first hand knowledge of this? Do you know what McCain or Palin is like "behind close doors"? I don't and I wouldn't be so presumptuous to suggest I do.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 23, 2008 12:19 AM

Oh gimme a break.

After running the most sarcastic and dishonest ads, MCCAIN should be ashamed of his own despicable campaign.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:18 AM

I think there is more than enough shared blame for misleading and false ads to go around. How soon people selectively forget, wasn't it just the other day the McCain campaign released the ad showing Obama and Raines side by side when in fact there was no truth to the association as the ad claimed?

But you know what? This is what the American electorate wants. As much as they claim otherwise they suck this stuff up. Campaigns will continue to do this to reinforce their own core's biases and to play to people's fears. It isn't going to stop until people stop rewarding candidates for using this sort of tactic AND when trolls from both campaigns stop posting the vitriolic lies and half truths on blogs.

So I guess you'd better just get used to it because I doubt it will ever change. How very sad when there are real and pressing issues which need to be discussed. What ever became of the great political center? We have allowed ourselves to become such a nation of extremists and divisiveness. And the Roman Empire continues to fall while Nero fiddles.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 23, 2008 12:16 AM

Who is Joe Biden? I've heard that name somewhere but just can't place it. Oh well no bother.

Posted by: Chad | September 23, 2008 12:16 AM

Sen. Joe Biden just hold the line ok. Let Schmit call everyone names and scare people.

Posted by: Mark | September 23, 2008 12:15 AM

So, someone in Obama's camp does have integrity. We need more people to stand up to "The One" and stop all the lies that he's spreading.
Help us show Obama the door, join us at DefeatObama.org!

Posted by: Defeat Obama | September 23, 2008 12:11 AM

I certainly respect Joe Biden as a person even though I rarely agree with his politics. Sorry you got your arm twisted by the Obama machine. "Lunch pail Joe" is certainly a liberal but Obama is so radical behind closed doors Joe must really feel the Party he has supported all these years has been raticalized.

Joe please do not let them use and abuse you for what will be known publicly some day as contray to your true beliefs.

Posted by: webscribes | September 23, 2008 12:11 AM

Please learn to edit your story. This is the Washington Post, I do not expect to have to translate bad English into something readable. See:

"as he was been considered"
"might be have been"

Both in the same paragraph too. Very sloppy writing and very disappointed.

Posted by: Mike | September 23, 2008 12:02 AM

jojo star wondered,

How is he going to type?

The same way I do, with the other, good hand.

Posted by: Independent | September 23, 2008 12:01 AM

There was an honest statement and it had to be spun to serve the party line.

That's what makes politician a dirty word.

Posted by: Shame | September 23, 2008 12:00 AM

Well, this is a non story. Why did I waste my time?

Posted by: Lynne | September 22, 2008 11:54 PM

In politics today an honest man would be considered a ray of light and a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: you | September 22, 2008 11:54 PM

How can you not love Joe?
McCain/Palin08
HillaryClinton2012

Posted by: love the joe | September 22, 2008 11:51 PM

his first comment was the truth - it is a isgraceul ad. Maccain has war injuries he cannot even comb his hair or raise his arms how is he going to type - and to ridicule someone who is disabled is a disgrace.

biden's 2nd comment is certainly obama and his advisors putting their foot down on biden - maybe he should become even more invisble than he has been these past few weeks (or else)

Posted by: jojo star | September 22, 2008 11:41 PM

In todays politics, an honest man WOULD be considered a gaffe machine.

Posted by: Disgusted | September 22, 2008 11:30 PM

Just imagine an Obama administration that has its VP way out in left field:

"But in the statement issued by the Obama campaign, Biden said he had never seen the ad and only read press reports of it."

So the running mate is not involved in the campaign at all? What does this say about Obama's judgment on his selection of VP?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 11:30 PM

now this is a GREAT ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJThPjvscFs

worser than NIXON.

Posted by: George W. McLiar | September 22, 2008 11:28 PM

Biden is in this to the throw the race for McCain. After McCain is elected, he'll be appointed Secretary of State. Just watch, I'm always right.

Posted by: xaix | September 22, 2008 11:07 PM

He was right to begin with. It's absolutely disgraceful to suggest that a man like John McCain is out of touch merely because they don't know how many houses they own.

Could YOU answer that question without asking your staff? Well, COULD YOU?

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 11:07 PM

Joe Biden: "I am not interested in the vice presidency." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEtaAD12i2s

Posted by: American | September 22, 2008 11:01 PM

Oops!

Biden can't figure out which candidate he is supposed to be supporting.

Ready to lead! Not!

http://www.bop-o-rama.com

I added 300 bops to Obama in about 5 minutes.

Posted by: Yuk Yuk! | September 22, 2008 11:00 PM

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