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McCain Bemoans Fate of Undocumented Irish in America

By Robert Barnes
SCRANTON, Pa. -- An issue that has been largely missing from the English-language presidential debate recently -- immigration reform -- made a brief return here this morning when Republican John McCain addressed a largely Irish-American crowd.

McCain said there were "50,000 Irish men and women in this country illegally who want to become citizens'' and that "we have to give them a path to citizenship."

McCain was a leader of the failed effort in Congress last year to overhaul the nation's immigration policies, and told the audience that it was an example of his willingness to take on controversial issues despite the political costs -- a point McCain has been making of late in ads playing on Spanish-language radio stations in key states, but by and large eschewed before non-Hispanic audiences.

"It didn't make me the most popular member of my own party and it almost cost me the nomination of my party," McCain said.

McCain said it also showed he had a willingness to reach across the aisle to form common ground -- he specifically mentioned Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), a hero in the Irish community -- which he said Democratic rival Barack Obama did not possess.

"To preserve that fragile coalition, I had to sometime take votes which were not popular," McCain said. "Senator Kennedy took votes that were not popular. Senator Obama took a hike."

McCain said he wanted to see tighter border security, a more highly regulated temporary worker program with penalties for companies that hire illegal workers and also a way for those here illegally to become citizens, although not ahead of those who have played by the existing rules.

"This nation is all the stronger -- this nation is stronger, this nation is stronger -- for the infusion of fresh blood and vitality that has come to this nation wave after wave: Irish, Italian, Poles, everybody who's come to this nation has enriched our nation, including our Hispanic citizenry. OK? That's what America's all about."

Still, immigration reform is not something that McCain often mentions as a priority, unless the subject is something of particular interest to his audience, or he is asked about it.

Posted at 2:15 PM ET on Sep 22, 2008  | Category:  John McCain
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As a descendent of legal Irish immigrants, I would like to deport every single illegal alien from Ireland. I don't care where they came from or if they are white, if they are here illegally they should leave, just like those from Latin America, Asia, and Africa.

Posted by: Pete | September 25, 2008 11:08 AM


Posted by: Jeffrey | September 24, 2008 11:05 AM

I agree with Abbey, These Indians who come here legally, pay taxes and do everything the way govt wants them to, are still never talked about, they are really suffering and wait for their green card forever.
same thing for chinese too..

I have Irish background but i am first an American.

In my company I have a lot of Indians/Chinese who are going back to India and USA is losing these highly skilled tax paying professionals.

Lets do something about that, you racist Jackasses..

Posted by: Bruce Mcdougall | September 23, 2008 5:16 PM

Legal immigrants from India suffer for 10-20 years, each pays approx 2 million dollars in fees and taxes and are still not sure of their path to citizenship. USCIS treats them like crap and makes them suffer.

We never talk about them, but by all means lets focus on all the illegal immigrants.

Way to Go !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Abbey Smith | September 23, 2008 5:11 PM

Hey Marcus, you ignorant ass!! McDonalds was founded by an American in the Midwest.

But what did the Irish contribute to America?
How about immigrants like my dad who fought in the Vietnam War and then protected the streets of NYC as highly respected and recognized police officer.

Or how about the thousands of Irish immigrants that died while constucting the trans continental railroad.

Or how about Michael J. Quill who founded the Transport Workers Union of America.

Or the thousands Irish along with other blue collar workers that helped build most of the major cities in this country.

Or how about the sons and daughters of these immigrants that were the first responders that lost their lives on 9/11.

There are many many more, so the rest of you with your ignorant comments and sterotype humor really should do some research before you open your mouths on such an important topic like immigration.

Posted by: Chris | September 23, 2008 12:46 PM

The point that is missed is that, as America, WE should be able to decide who we allow to immigrate.

Educated Indians line up and wait for days to get work visas, yet uneducated Mexicans stroll across the border illegally and we welcome them with open arms.

Posted by: don | September 23, 2008 11:05 AM

Actually katelynn he specifically mentioned Hispanic workers several times at the rally. So you are flat out lying or uninformed. Most likely you are uninformed like most liberals and simply want to throw around the word racist casually. Next time at least know what you are talking about before you open your mouth.

Posted by: jtkuga | September 23, 2008 10:52 AM

McPain conveniently forgets to mention other undocumented workers such as the Mexicans. He's either being racist or afraid of provoking the racists in his party by mentioning Hispanics.

McSame's selective amnesia is getting weirder by the minute.

Posted by: KateLynn | September 23, 2008 9:36 AM

Wow, get a life people!

Posted by: Tim Leary | September 23, 2008 8:31 AM

McCain is right. He has to fight for the Irish. Without the Irish we will not have
1. Mc Donalds.

Without McDonalds more than half our obese population in the United States will starve to death.

If McCain wants to preserve the endangered Irish, he has every right to give them citizenship. Instead of havinf 50,000 illegal drunk drivers on the road, we will have 50,000 legal drunk drivers on the road. But as long as these Irish drink a lot of beer, Cindy McCain is happy with that. Her beer bottling company thrives on people who drink beer.

Posted by: Markus | September 23, 2008 7:54 AM

How did these 50,000 Irish come to United States? Did they swim or come on a dingy all the way from Ireland? I can understand Mexicans crossing the open borders, but not Irish getting here. Which state borders Ireland?

McCain wants to give citizenship to people with Mc in their name. Talk about nepotism.

Hillary Clinton claimed she used to visit Ireland all the time and had tea with the Irish women. Couldn't she have given a free plane ride for these 50,000 illegal immigrants and taken them back to Ireland with her on her tea ceremony trips?

Also when did the United States fight a war with Ireland? Why do we have to accept these illegals from Ireland?

Posted by: Mary | September 23, 2008 7:39 AM

McCain is trying to drown our concern about his idiotic immigration policies (citizenship for 12 million mexicans)
by proposing something relatively harmless
(12 thousand irish). Yes, he will do the Irish. AND THEN HE WILL DO THE MEXICANS!!!

Posted by: MikeCT | September 23, 2008 7:03 AM

Juan McAmnesty wants to sign give America away to 3rd world dregs, i.e. ILLEGAL mexicans! Not that Barack Obamnesy is any better...(sigh)...

Posted by: John Wayne - Texas | September 23, 2008 6:21 AM

Fact is, 50,000 English speaking Irish would be relatively easy to assimilate.

After all, the USA still has an Anglo-Saxon core.

Besides, the Irish have a long history in America anyway, fat drunkards like Ted Kennedy notwithstanding.

Oh, and let's not forget the Irish brigades that betrayed America during the US war against mexican invaders. Scores of Irish switched sides and fought for mexico!

Nevertheless, its simply undeniable that 50,000 Irish would easily assimilate while 12 million 3rd world mexican dregs simply re-create the slum conditions they are ostensibly fleeing---just visit Dallas and see for yourself!

Thus, if it were up to me; I'd let the Irish stay and deport the 3rd world, worthless, mexicans!

Posted by: John Wayne - Texas | September 23, 2008 6:17 AM


What exactly is the point your are trying to make? Or are you just pointless?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 2:32 AM

I'm impressed by the amount of hateful spew about McCain. Don't believe for one second that your Lord & Savior Obama will be able to bail us out either. Obama has you so snowed you don't even know.

Wake up America! The two party system is destroying us by pandering to everyone except the common American. 8 Years of any President (Democrat or Republican) is too long. Don't let the Republicans take your 1st and 4th. Never let the Democrats take your 2nd and 5th.

Posted by: Cory | September 23, 2008 2:02 AM


(A) equals the 4 to 5 million non-immigrants (illegals) who have overstayed their visas, and remain in our United States (source: Pew Hispanic Center)

1992--1,258,482------2000--1,643,679------2008----660,288 (ends 9/30)

FACT: In the last 22 years, over 26 million illegals, have been apprehended, crossing our Southwest Border.

FACT: Less than 1, out of 4, were estimated to have been apprehended.

(B) equals the number of illegals that entered our United States between 1987 and 2008????

A + B equals the Total Number Of Illegals In Our United States

THE ANSWER IS NOT 12 MILLION (no matter whose math you use)

Posted by: Buzzm1 | September 22, 2008 11:15 PM

Thanks for the honesty, Tom.

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 10:56 PM

I pray every night McCain has a massive heart attack and Palin gets breast cancer.

Posted by: Tom | September 22, 2008 10:23 PM

So, they should go back to the counties they came from and apply legally, eh?
What's the average wait for a mexican agricultural or construction worker to legally immigrate?
Well, the answer is FOREVER. Literally. We have no provisions to let unskilled workers in from Mexico.
That's just Prohibition.
It's also saying you can't come to America because of who you are and where you're from. Not 'you have to fill out these forms and wait" but 'Never."
The right argues as if Mexicans are scofflaws who just can't be bothered with respecting American laws. And they imply that if they did it legally, they'd be welcome.
That is untrue. They are not welcome, period. Not by our system. And that's very different from 'Wait," or 'stand in line.'
"Never' is not right.

Posted by: pbg | September 22, 2008 10:01 PM

What about Metastatic Melanoma?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:55 PM

i don't know about anybody else, I would like Heterosexuals in the WH- I am scaried of Pedophiles ruining this country.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:50 PM

It would take a fool to vote for the Neo-con party candidate, John McCain.

Posted by: Sims | September 22, 2008 9:50 PM

I am not sure that the Irish audiance would have wanted McCain to bring attention to their illegal status. To talk to an audiance as if they are illegals may not be the way to win support from the group.

Posted by: Sims | September 22, 2008 9:45 PM

2006: McCain Thanked Obama As One Of Small Bipartisan Group Of Senators Who “Stood Together To Make This Legislation Possible.” McCain said, “After several weeks of extensive debate and consideration of numerous and complicated amendments, the Senate is about to move to final passage on S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act…I also commend the Senate Leadership on both sides of the aisle for their efforts to ensure that the Senate addressed this important issue and gave us more than adequate time for a thorough debate. This is a proud moment for the United States Senate, as we have conducted good work and returned to orderly traditions of the legislative process as envisioned by our founding fathers…And of course, I commend Senator Kennedy, who is perhaps the leading expert on this difficult issue…I also want to thank Senators Brownback, Lieberman, Graham, Salazar, Martinez, Obama, and Dewine for their shared commitment to this issue, and working to ensure this bill moved successfully intact through the legislative process.

taken from McCain Senate Floor Statement, 5/25/06

2008: McCain Said He Would Oppose the Legislation He Authored With Kennedy. Asked whether he would vote for the immigration legislation he previously sponsored, McCain eventually replied, "No, I would not."

CNN GOP Presidential Debate, 1/30/08

Posted by: Michael | September 22, 2008 9:18 PM

My parents were born in Ireland and came to America in the 1950's...Both of them became naturalized citizens. My Dad use to take great pleasure in "cancelling my vote" as he in keeping with his Teamster brethren voted Democrat each election.

That being said neither one would have expected nor accepted preferential treatment had they been here illegally.. For McCain to try and expand support for his ghastly Comprehensive Immigration Plan by pandering to the Irish is disgraceful. As my grandmother use to say " Póg mo thóin "

Posted by: noifsandorbuts | September 22, 2008 8:21 PM

I discuss this here, including background about one of the groups involved that no "reporters" at the WaPo will ever tell you:

Posted by: 24AheadDotCom | September 22, 2008 8:09 PM


Monday, September 22, 2008

What does John McCain’s loyal chief of staff – a man who apparently is in a long-term relationship with another man, and appears to be open about it to John McCain -- think about the fact that Sarah Palin devoutly worships at a church that promotes “converting” gays to heterosexuality? What, conversely, does she think of him? More importantly, what does John McCain think about all of this? And don’t we deserve some answers from the American media?

Over the past month I’ve been contacted by three different individuals (two of them members of the Log Cabin Republicans) claiming that McCain’s Senate chief of staff, Mark Buse, is gay. None of these individuals would be quoted by name, though each described Buse as being rather “open” to those around him and to his family – in a “glass closet” rather than deeply undercover or trying to appear heterosexual.

Then I was contacted in recent weeks by 46-year-old Brian Davis, an Arizona resident, who told me about his intimate relationship with Mark Buse (confirmed by Davis' mother, as well as by a long-time friend), and who decided he needed to tell the truth about Buse, on the record, in light of John McCain’s dramatic shift to the ideological religious right in this election and his choice of Sarah Palin, starlet of the evangelical movement, as a running mate. (Repeated calls to Mark Buse's office and calls and email to McCain's communications office in the Senate regarding this story were unreturned. Mike Rogers, the blogger and activist who revealed the truth about Senator Larry Craig and others in politics, today reports this same reality about Mark Buse that I report here, with separate, independent sourcing.)

“We met in June of 1986,” Davis told me about the night he first laid eyes on Buse, who was also in his early 20s at the time. (Below is a video Davis gave to me, which, though it is of poor quality, shows both of them inside Buse’s apartment in Washington years later, in 2000). “It was at a bar in Phoenix called Connections," Davis continued. "I will never forget it, because it was a big night. Divine was performing there that night.”

The reference is of course to the legendary, late drag queen and star of John Waters’ early films, certainly a memorable figure and huge attraction on the gay dance club circuit at that time. Brian Davis says Mark Buse loved Connections and enjoyed going out to the gay clubs in Phoenix in those days.

Today, Buse, 44, is one of the closest and most loyal men to Senator John McCain. He knows McCain's family "intimately," says Davis, and has spent much time with Cindy McCain. When Buse was in his early 20s, when Brian Davis met him, Buse worked as an intern for McCain, back when McCain was a House member. Twenty years later Buse has risen to the highest position in McCain’s Senate office. During those two decades he left McCain for a while to become an influential K Street lobbyist for Exxon Mobil, AT&T Wireless and other multinational corporations, emerging as someone very valuable to those companies – and to John McCain -- after he returned to McCain's Senate office.

Some media attention has in fact focused on Buse’s lobbying years, particularly in light of McCain’s claims that he takes on “the special interests.” In The New York Times’ controversial story last February about McCain’s relationship with lobbyist Vicki Iseman – and, according to the paper, the rumors among some advisers that McCain appeared to be having an affair with the woman -- the Times noted, for example: "Mr. McCain has hired another lobbyist, Mark Buse, to run his Senate office. In his case, it was a round trip through the revolving door: Mr. Buse had directed Mr. McCain’s committee staff for seven years before leaving in 2001 to lobby for telecommunications companies."

But though some in the media have focused on Buse’s role as a lobbyist, none have looked at another increasingly relevant detail: Mark Buse’s sexual orientation. And yet, it’s a detail that reveals hypocrisy about John McCain that is as clear as that of his reputation to take on the corporate interests while he has registered lobbyists on his staff and campaign.

John McCain is opposed to every single gay rights measure of recent years –- from a hate crimes bill, to an anti-discrimination bill to an attempt to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on gays in the military –- and is publicly on record supporting a ballot measure in California this November to strip gays and lesbians there of their legally-won right to marry in that state. If that isn’t enough to make it relevant to report on his 20-year-relationship with a close aide and chief of staff who is gay, the fact that Sarah Palin is now on the ticket -- garnering support for McCain from previously reticent antigay leaders like James Dobson of Focus on the Family –- surely does.

Mark Buse, after all, is a public figure in his own right. His role as chief of staff to a man running for president has elevated him and certainly his controversial former role as a prominent lobbyist has brought media scrutiny to him. And he is running the Senate office of a 72-year-old presidential candidate who has had recurrent cancer and who might well usher into the White House as president a woman who, by what evidence we have, has melded her politics with her evangelical religious beliefs.

Sarah Palin has been a prominent and visible member of two controversial churches in Wasilla, though much of the media has shied away from telling us much about them (even though cable networks had no problem giving us every minute detail about Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s former pastor, and his church). Palin adheres to Pentecostalism, a religious fundamentalist movement that is vehemently antigay and believes in the literal interpretation of the Bible. Little has been asked of Palin –- or of the McCain campaign –- about the relationship between Palin's faith and her political positions, even as many of us have seen her worshipping in her church on YouTube, explaining “God’s plan” for Iraq, praying to God for a pipeline, and thanking a Kenyan evangelical pastor know as a "witchhunter" for laying hands on her and helping her become governor.

As a member of the Wasilla city council Palin reportedly inquired about banning a children's book about gay parents – Daddy’s Roommate -- and she is a darling of the evangelical right, which is hell-bent on keep gays from attaining further rights and stripping them of every right they've already won. She is opposed not only to marriage for gays but to domestic partnership benefits: Though the media has often gotten it wrong when they cared to look into it, Palin only vetoed a bill that would strip partnership benefits for government employees because the Alaska Supreme Court ruled the bill unconstitutional. Palin’s current church, the Wasilla Bible Church, just this month promoted a “conversion” therapy conference for gays, organized by Focus on the Family in Anchorage.Palin has not come out against the church’s sponsorship, though the American Psychological Association has condemned these programs as psychologically harmful.

Mark Buse’s sexual orientation and his relationship with McCain certainly are relevant facts in light of Palin’s positions, beliefs, past political career and silence on the issues right now. And John McCain is the person responsible for making them relevant by choosing Sarah Palin as a running mate.


“I met Mark that night and we went back to my place,” Brian Davis, who is now an Arizona trucker, continued, telling me about when he met Mark Buse . “The following day I came home from work and there were flowers for me. I was always hoping that I would get into a long term relationship. Back then, I was like a cute little twink. I didn’t have trouble picking up guys and used to hope the guys would be interested long term. But you know, usually they weren’t. But Mark sent me flowers. The following weekend we went out dancing at Connections again. My watch broke on the dance floor and I put it in my pocket. The following week Mark came over and gave me a present -- a brand new Gucci watch.”

Davis was working for American Express in Phoenix at the time. Buse was attending Georgetown University, interning on the hill for John McCain, then a member of the House. It might seem odd for a college student to be able to buy a Gucci watch for his older boyfriend, but this wasn’t just any college student: Mark Buse, like John McCain’s wife Cindy, comes from a wealthy family that had built an empire in Arizona. Buse Printing & Advertising clearly has had its own close relationship with John McCain over the years: According to an article last year in the Washington Post about McCain's PAC's overspending, “McCain's PAC paid $7,274 to Buse Printing, a Phoenix shop run by the family of Mark Buse, who was staff director at the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee. McCain chaired the committee at the time.”

Brian Davis says Buse’s affection didn’t end with a Gucci watch. Buse asked him to move back with him to Washington. After first conducting a long-distance relationship for several months, Davis moved to DC. They lived in two different apartments in Washington during their relationship. In that time Davis says he met John McCain several times at his office. Whatever John McCain might have thought of the relationship, Davis doesn’t think Buse had told McCain about it at the time – he was introduced as Buse’s “roommate” --but he’s pretty sure that Buse came out to McCain as the years went on.

Within a year of Davis’s move to DC, he and Buse broke up, Davis explained, after Buse turned to him one morning in bed and said, “Brian, I’m not in love with you anymore.” Davis was heartbroken. He says Buse left him for another man –- the man he says Buse now lives with today. But Davis got over it in time, and remained in touch with Buse, having a friendly relationship, and checking in on the phone or seeing one another every few years. The video below is from 2000, on the weekend of The Millennium March on Washington for GLBT rights. Davis attended the march, though Buse, he says, did not, and would not do something that public. (In the video, Davis is holding the camera, in the mirror; Buse is the man who eventually hides behind a pillar). The last time Davis says he spoke with Buse was in 2003.

Davis describes Buse as someone who, like himself at the time, was “more on the conservative side” on fiscal issues but cared about gay rights, and who really believed John McCain would not bow to extremists. And that’s why he can’t believe Buse went back to work for John McCain: Davis, like other self-described libertarian and Independent gay men, voted for McCain in his Senate elections and supported him for president in the 2000 primary. But, he says, he couldn’t possibly support John McCain now for president, not with his lurch to the extremist right.

Davis remembers the John McCain who called people like Jerry Falwell an “agent of intolerance,” something McCain of course took back after he decided to run for the 2008 presidency. He even remembers Buse having been upset when McCain did something seemingly opportunistic and ugly in pandering to the far right back in 1993, something he says Mccain apologized to Buse about. Davis in fact inferred from his discussion with Buse about the incident that McCain likely knew by that time that Buse was gay and that Buse cared about gay civil rights issues.

“It was around 1993, and Mark was upset, because McCain was going to speak before an antigay group, the Oregon Citizen’s Alliance,” he remembers. “Mark went to him and said this group is antigay and expressed his personal feelings. McCain said he didn’t know the group’s agenda when he accepted the invitation but that now he couldn’t cancel.”

I was in Oregon throughout 1992, covering the gay rights battles there for my first book, when Lon Mabon, leader of the OCA, put a measure on the ballot to declare homosexuality “unnatural and perverse” in the Oregon Constitution. The measure had a good shot of passing ( though, thankfully, it did not). Worse yet, it inspired an ugly wave of hate and violence in a previously placid place. I wrote a piece about it for the op-end page of the New York Times, sounding the alarm.

While it’s possible that McCain didn’t know what the group was about, it seems implausible: fighting the gay movement was the OCA’s major issue, and certainly its cash cow, even if the group did stand against other issues, such as abortion. As I noted in my op-ed, several Republican senators were pacifying Mabon, fearing he would mount a campaign against embattled Oregon Republican Senator Bob Packwood. Those senators -- including McCain’s good friend and current economic advisor, former Texas Senator Phil Gramm -- were feting Mabon in Washington, and more importantly, staying silent about his dangerous, hate-filled campaign in Oregon. In essence, they were throwing gays to the wolves as a way of keeping those wolves at bay.

Oregonian columnist Jeff Mapes last April chronicled the events of 1993 and McCain’s speech (his piece includes articles from the time) which caused much outrage in the gay community in Arizona and elsewhere. He concludes that McCain was part of the effort with Gramm and others to placate Mabon. In response to the uproar, McCain carefully tried to use his speech to talk about tolerance, but Lon Mabon himself didn’t find it objectionable at all. He of course got what he wanted: John McCain speaking at his event.

Whatever the truth about McCain’s motivations or knowledge of the group, Brian Davis says that McCain told Mark Buse that it was a mistake and that it wouldn’t happen again.

It's a telling anecdote and it raises many questions about the events of today and this election. And really, those questions mirror other questions many have been asking about John McCain for a long time.

Has Mark Buse been assured by John McCain that his bowing to religious conservatives is all just politics, that he’s just stringing along the fundies, and that he wouldn’t sell him and his kind to the far right as president? If that is the case, what would the Christian right think about that now and don’t they have a right to know?

And, if true, how would Buse and certainly McCain then explain the choice of Palin, beyond admitting that it is simply a reckless gamble, since it’s quite possible she could become president and bring the ideologues into the White House? Is there some other plan for how do deal with Palin?

Or has McCain’s shift to the far right been more profound rather than solely opportunistic? Perhaps he does truly stand behind his positions against gay rights and perhaps he truly respects Palin’s politics that appear to erase the lines between church and state. In that case, has Mark Buse completely sold out, perhaps transformed by those years as a lobbyist and perhaps having different priorities now -- gay rights be damned?

What else does the reality of Mark Buse's life say about John McCain? Does he see his own chief of staff, someone he has known now for 20 years, as someone who should have no rights, no hate crimes protections, and no employment protection in the private sector? Does he see his own loyal chief of staff as someone who should be hounded by Christian conservatives, pressured to enter damaging “conversion” therapy programs, and made a target of violence that is inspired by the hate spewed by agents of intolerance?

And what does Sarah Palin think of all of this? Does she know about John McCain's gay chief of staff? Is Palin an opportunist too, and is her allegiance to the evangelical right skin deep? Or, is she a true believer who would believe Mark Buse should be sent to an “ex-gay” therapy program to “convert” him to heterosexuality? If she were to become president, will she give more power to the people who would very much like to put every gay American through such a program?

These questions are not going to go away. As I was working on this story I got wind that activist Mike Rogers – the “most feared man in the hill” as the Washington Post called him – was working on it as well. On Friday, Mike, with separate and independent sourcing, went to John McCain’s office to give Buse a "Roy Cohn Award." He filmed it and today he reveals whom he gave the award to on his much-read site, Blogactive.

The traditional media may be petrified to pick up this story but people across the country who see McCain's hypocrisy and who support equality will only demand more answers. Certainly our media could serve us better by getting us those answers rather than once again putting their heads in the sand.

Posted by: Disgusted | September 22, 2008 6:43 PM

What happened - presidential election
National Review, Dec 9, 1988 by Humphrey Taylor

"ONE THING about this election that is worth remembering is how often the gurus and pundits were wrong. The eminence noire of gurus, Richard Nixon, predicted at one time that Bob Dole would defeat George Bush and that Mario Cuomo would be the Democratic nominee. After Michael Dukakis's triumph in Atlanta, his unexpectedly eloquent acceptance speech, and his 17- to 18-point lead in the polls, the media were already writing off Bush's chances....."

SOUNDS FAMILIAR- Dukakis had a 17 point lead in '88? Wow....guess the Olberman, Cafferty, and the NY Times just can't be relied upon to pick a President...

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 6:40 PM


Please disregard the fake JakeD posts at 6:17 PM and 6:06 PM -- I am not advocating sex outside of marriage -- some things are more important than money.

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 6:28 PM

America needs a low paid workforce. We need to ELIMINATE abortion of all kinds AND contraception in this country. We NEED more teenage mothers like Bristol!

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 6:17 PM

I am a truly loathsome human being, shallow and short-sighted and motivated by nothing more and nothing less than defeating the black guy so as to ensure that we who used to be the fat, ignorant, unquestioned majority in this country can continue to determine how you should and should not live for at least four more years. (My eventual goal is the disenfranchising of all who disagree with me and my nasty, selfish politics.)

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 6:06 PM

"America needs a low-paid workforce (especially in these economic times) which we may not have needed if we hadn't killed off 40 million since Roe v. Wade"

Just think of how many millions of low-paid workers we've killed off by not letting teenagers have sex in the back of cars or in study hall. It's staggering!

Posted by: Martin | September 22, 2008 5:57 PM

Residents of Georgia, Kentucky, and Virginia:

Make sure you start voting for McCain-Palin TODAY!! In all, 34 states allow people to vote before election day. 28 of those states allow "no-excuse" absentee voting, so just get it done ASAP. You may not get another chance.

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 5:47 PM

I'm all for long as Mr. McCain negotiates reciprocity for American citizens, so we have the option of moving to Ireland if he gets elected.

Posted by: Frank F1 | September 22, 2008 5:39 PM

Is Obama Another Dukakis?
Why is Obama so vapid, hesitant, and gutless?
By Christopher Hitchens
Updated Monday, Sept. 22, 2008, Slate

"...I ran into a rather clever Republican operative at the airport last week, who pointed out to me that this ought by rights to be a Democratic Party year across the board, from the White House to the Congress to the gubernatorial races. But there was a crucial energy leak, and it came from the very top. More people doubted Obama's qualifications for the presidency in September than had told the pollsters they had doubted these credentials in July. "So what he ought to do," smiled this man, "is spend his time closing that gap and less time attacking McCain." Obama's party hacks, increasingly white and even green about the gills, are telling him to do the opposite. I suppose this could even mean that Sarah Palin, down the road, will end up holding the door open for Hillary Clinton. Such joy!"

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 5:23 PM


You spend way to much time on these comment post. Makes me feel kinda sorry for you. Do you ever get out and away from your computer?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 5:20 PM

Not to do with the issue, but my gosh, Sarah will speak alone on CNN Canada. Of course it will be scripted, for she has had a month of coaching. Will she answer questions?? Dobt it. Will she disclose her tax forms and Quirks. NO.
Watch and wake up America. You all had slaves and if black is bad, best all Americans get a DNA test. You might be surprized.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 22, 2008 5:16 PM

And we have the first indonesian
running for president,
what is your point, post?
just trying to mislead the sheep
with your headlines?
obabaaa maaaa'
sheep, one and all,
baaaa ma baaa' ma

Posted by: usa3 | September 22, 2008 5:06 PM

"and my little friend the lucky charms leprechaun too!
my friends."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 4:39 PM

Wow, he covered nearly every race except African Americans and Asians.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 4:37 PM

Could you imagine if he said that in East LA about Mexican immigrants?

Ok... back to reality...

Posted by: Boston Irish | September 22, 2008 4:32 PM

Why this comment will be OK for McSame's xenophobic "base"...

"If you're white, we want to give you a path to citizenship. If you're not, don't let the door hit you..."

Posted by: Pat | September 22, 2008 4:30 PM

I have Irish ancestors who came through Pennsylvania after working in the coal mines in the 1860s and 1870s. They learned then and there that the Republican Party was the puppet of the railroads which often owned the mines and opposed working men and women and their rights to unionize. Not a whole lot has changed since then and my great grandfather's advice of not drinking the soup of Republican lies still rings true today. As Joe Biden, a proud son of Scranton might say, McCain is just feeding us more malarkey. I would add my parents were in Ireland a year ago and could find very little support for the misdeeds of the Bush administration.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | September 22, 2008 4:24 PM

jd--are you kidding? I'd have guessed that there are 50K illegal Irish just here in Boston. I don't know where you're from, but before the Celtic Tiger took off, every construction crew on the East Coast seemed to be made up of a bunch of guys from County Clare who'd overstayed their student visas. Now that the Irish economy has taken off, a lot of those folks have gone home, but plenty of them have stayed on here.

I listened to McCain's disgusting pandering on MSNBC this morning and tried to help him clarify things by screaming "AMNESTY! Just call it AMNESTY, Johnny" at the TV. He really wants it both ways--he'd never have dared say that "path to citizenship" line in front of a Mexican-American crowd--his right-wing fan base would be on him like a duck on a junebug. But hey--with a bunch of nice white guys from Scranton--OK!

Of course it was Reagan who granted amnesty to over a million illegals, but for some reason Republicans get all tetchy and evasive when you remind them about that...

Posted by: Sarah | September 22, 2008 4:24 PM

Way to go, McCain. Just what we need-- 50,000 illegal Irish immigrants competing with Americans for a limited number of barstools, and driving up the trade imbalance with their disproportionate consumption of Harp and Jamesons.

Posted by: Patrick | September 22, 2008 4:12 PM

Please understand that this is a serious question.
Are there really that many illegal Irish here?

Posted by: jc | September 22, 2008 3:58 PM

it is malpractice for you not to include the fact that mccain made a 180 degree reversal on this issue during the republican primary.

your incompetence aside, this marks the 4th name drop of an obama supporter by mccain in 48 hours.

Posted by: mike | September 22, 2008 3:43 PM

The funny thing is that McCain has a totally reasonable position on Illegal immigration, and one that Bush favors but lots of repubs don't i.e. that there must be a path to citizenship. Obama, Bush and McCain all agree on this (unless Obama like normal actually doesn't have a position).

#1, like McCain pointed out, until you get the borders secured it doensn't matter what you do because people will come and go when they please.


#2, its too much $$ to round people up and deport them. Plus the only segments of the US economy that were growing (like construction) were all fueled by the availability of cheap, illegal labor.

When Americans choose to get back to work doing things that I would call infrastrucutre builders like actual physical labor then we can talk, but right now you have 100 million americans pushing paper and doing nothing for the economy while 40 million immigrants get their hands dirty doing the actual work.

Read as: Look America until you get up off your fat ass and get to work your economy is going to suck.

Posted by: DCDave | September 22, 2008 3:25 PM

More rhetoric from Sen. McCain that doesn't quite match reality. Sen. Obama has a long record of bipartisan legislative work--in Illinois when he worked to reform the death penalty, for instance; in the U.S. Senate when he worked with Sen. Lugar (Rep of Indiana) to address nuclear proliferation. In contrast to Sen. McCain's legislation, Sen. Obama's measures were successful and were not struck down in court. If anyone has 'taken a hike' on legislation, it is McCain--who managed to be absent for votes on things like aid to veterans, equal pay for equal work, and other important matters. McCain can't go a day without distorting the facts.

Posted by: HarrisCo | September 22, 2008 3:17 PM


When the election is over, please go back on your medicine.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 3:12 PM


I think there will soon be plenty of citizens to take those low paying jobs and tying it into Roe v. Wade is rather a stretch at best and if you really listen to what you are saying, bigoted.

Posted by: Dave | September 22, 2008 2:54 PM

No, Dave, I am "advocating" an acceptance of the reality -- America needs a low-paid workforce (especially in these economic times) which we may not have needed if we hadn't killed off 40 million since Roe v. Wade -- if someone is caught in the country illegally, they should be deported. We don't have the resources to track down every illegal immigrant.

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 2:48 PM


(cannot post to his article for unknown reasons)

"Directed Energy Weapons," even hand-held models which emit silent, potentially lethal bursts of radiation, are widely deployed NOW among military, intelligence/security and law enforcement forces.

Mr. Pincus needs to follow up because this Senate report is incomplete at best and deceptive at worst.

This Senate report seems replete with disinformation when it states that this radiation-based weaponry is not operational. An April 2008 article in the FBI's Law Enforcement Bulletin discusses the issue and makes clear that such weaponry is currently in use.

Victims of so-called "organized community "gang stalking" maintain that directed energy weapons are being used against civilian targets to degrade their health.

A former mainstream media reporter who is now an internet columnist has written extensively about this, based on his own personal experiences. His work can be found at

There is a political dimension to this issue as well: There are fears that such weaponry could be deployed to degrade the health of persons or public officials targeted for reasons of ideology.

Posted by: scrivener | September 22, 2008 2:44 PM


Except your position and those who support the "path to citizenship" are in fact and as it stands today, advocating a continued flagrant disregard for the law.

Posted by: Dave | September 22, 2008 2:38 PM


We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Residents of Georgia, Kentucky, and Virginia:

Make sure you start voting for McCain-Palin TODAY!! In all, 34 states allow people to vote before election day. 28 states allow "no-excuse" absentee voting, so just get it done ASAP. You never know if tomorrow will be too late.

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 2:31 PM

I don't agree with McCain on immigration, I feel illegal immigrants need to be sent back to their country of origin and only then apply to emigrate legally. This whole "path to citizenship" nonsense is a slap in the face of the law and to all those who did play by the rules.

Posted by: Dave | September 22, 2008 2:28 PM

Just when I think, is there anybody that's a bigger fool?, I realize there are people out there who will vote for John McBush.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Keep fooling me over & over & over with the same old crap, and I must be a RePUKElican.

We can see where stupid has taken us the last 8 years, let's not do it again...

Posted by: John McBush - dumber than a bag of rocks | September 22, 2008 2:27 PM

I agree with McCain on the immigration issue (and I live in San Diego ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 2:21 PM

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