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Obama's Two-Minute Ad on Taxes



By Ed O'Keefe
Amid continued claims by the McCain campaign that he would raise taxes on lower-income Americans, Barack Obama lays out his tax proposals in a two-minute commercial release by his campaign today.

"On taxes, John McCain and I have very different ideas," Obama says in the spot. "Instead of giving hundreds of billions in new tax breaks to big corporations and oil companies, I'll cut taxes for small and startup businesses that are the backbone of our economy."

He also states: "If you make less than a quarter million a year, you won't see your taxes raised one penny under my plan. And seniors making less than fifty thousand, who are struggling with the rising costs of food and drugs on fixed incomes, won't pay income taxes at all."

This latest economic message -- with its emphasis on middle- and lower-income tax relief -- comes as McCain and his surrogates continue to say that Obama would raise taxes on anyone earning more than $42,000 per year. That's a misleading argument according to The Post's Fact Checker, because "the vote that McCain is talking about was a non-binding resolution on the budget that envisioned letting the Bush tax cuts to expire, as scheduled, in 2011. But these budget resolutions come up every year, and do not represent a vote for higher taxes in future years."

During a conference call with reporters today, McCain economic adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin suggested Obama continues to "waffle, shift and recharacterize" his stance on taxes and said the Democratic nominee "has promised to raise taxes" in the past.

Continuing a pattern exhibited by both campaigns, Obama staffers would say only that the ad is airing in "key battleground states," though they insist the ad is "for real" and will air this week.

The ad's full script is below:

For eight years, we've been told that the way to a stronger economy was to give huge tax breaks to corporations and the wealthiest Americans, and somehow prosperity would trickle down.

Well now we know the truth. It didn't work. Instead of prosperity trickling down, pain has trickled up. Working family incomes have fallen by two thousand dollars a year. We're losing jobs. Deficits are exploding. Our economy's in turmoil.

I know that that we can steer ourselves out of this crisis. But not by driving down the very same path. And that's what this election's all about.

On taxes, John McCain and I have very different ideas. Instead of giving hundreds of billions in new tax breaks to big corporations and oil companies, I'll cut taxes for small and startup businesses that are the backbone of our economy.

Instead of more tax breaks for corporations that outsource American jobs, I'll give them to companies who create jobs here. Instead of extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest -- I'll focus on you.

My plan offers three times as much tax relief to the middle class as Senator McCain's.

If you make less than a quarter million a year, you won't see your taxes raised one penny under my plan. And seniors making less than fifty thousand, who are struggling with the rising costs of food and drugs on fixed incomes, won't pay income taxes at all.

The tax code we have today is over 10,000 pages long. Almost every bit of it was shaped by some lobbyist taking care of some special interest. Well, it's time we had a President who puts you first.

I hope you'll log on to BarackObama.com and read my full plan.

It will help jump-start our economy, create millions of jobs, and bring back our Main Streets all across America. The old trickle-down theory has failed us. We can't afford four more years like the last eight.

I'm Barack Obama, and I approved this message because I know that with a new direction, and new policies focused on jobs and the middle class, we can lift our economy and our country.

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shaunpeter wrote:
As for Gov. Palin, I would much rather see her on the top of this ticket, so I personally have no problem with her one heartbeat away from the Presidency, especially considering the alternatives.
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Really? Are you brainwashed? EXACTLY what makes Palin a good choice for president?

Her years of experience dealing with a town of 10,000 followed by a state of less than a million?

There's no single place in Alaska that even has a population of 100,000. I have more people living in my local neighborbood than the entire state of Alaska. Is she really ready to handle BIG problems that affect hundreds of millions?

Palin had it easy. For it's population Alaska is the richest state in the union. Just sitting at home watching Tv the average Alaskan earns money because of tax credits and oil revenues. So technically EVERYONE IN ALASKA GETS WELFARE.

Are you ready for that kind of person to be president?


Posted by: techrat | October 1, 2008 7:53 PM

THE WALL STREET BAILOUT IS A TRAP:

YOU DID THE RIGHT THING people by stopping this 700 billion dollar bailout of Wall Street with your money. It's a trap set by the Bush McCain administration years ago to spring on you, and the World just before the November elections. It will cripple our economy for years to come by taking away money from important social programs like health care reform, education, and social security.

What ever congress does to try and fix our stunning economic catastrophe needs to be done very carefully. Congress needs to take their time, and be sure of what they are doing. Whatever is done needs to be sharply focused at helping, and protecting the best interest of the ordinary Americans. In particular the vast American middle class. 700 billion dollars is a lot of the peoples money to spend to bail out a bunch of corrupt Bush loan sharks.

When have you ever known any government plan, or project to only cost what the government said it would. Remember the war in Iraq. Bush and his so-called advisers said it would only cost you about 80 billion dollars. But we now know that the war in Iraq will cost you, and your children, and your grand children over a trillion dollars, and still counting.

So if 80 billion can end up costing you over a trillion dollars. How much could 700 billion end up costing you. Any math wizards out there. I come up with 9 trillion...:-(

My fellow human beings, just as I warned you ahead of this catastrophic economic meltdown, I must now warn you that what is ahead has the potential to be even more catastrophic than what we are going through now. The worlds geopolitical landscape has been booby trapped by the Bush McCain administration and their republican allies in congress. These booby traps are poised to spring at any time.

Fortunately the Worlds Nations have been blessed with many excellent leaders (except the US) who have been careful, wise, strong, and self-restrained in dealing with the provocations, and antagonism's of the Bush, McCain administration.

Barack Obama and the democrats are your best hope now. Tell your family, friends, and everyone you know to support them as best you can, and vote for them like your life, and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. Because it does. You will not survive 4 more years of Bush McCain.

JACK SMITH - WORKING CLASS...

Posted by: JackSmith1 | October 1, 2008 9:59 AM

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama had a 20 year association with his religious leader and priest Jeremiah Wright, who became Barack's idol and role model. Jeremiah married Barack and Michelle and baptized both their daughters. AND, we all remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack's religious leader Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Theologically Barack's religious leader Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; He believes that black values are superior to middle-class American values, and that blacks should isolate themselves from the wider American society.
 Indeed Barack's religious leader Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love by voting for John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 1, 2008 9:58 AM

shaunpeter:

I checked back just to see if you could back your claim up with even one alleged "lie". What a shocker you didn't.

techrat:

To be fair, MarkInAustin said we wouldn't be having all THESE SAME problems with the economy and your hypothetical questions -- although I believe are unsupported by the evidence -- simply contemplate worse problems. I, for one, would have been more than happy to have taken that chance, saved 50 million lives, and outlawed abortion once and for all in 1973.

As for your implied charge of racism, I have repeatedly said I would vote for a pro-choice African-American. Ambassador Keyes, for instance. I will not vote for Obama because of his stands on abortion and many other issues. Does that make me a racist too?

Hopefully, you will answer my question. I will have to defer to MarkInAustin, however, to answer your other questions and the Academy to actually award which post was more stupid. As for Gov. Palin, I would much rather see her on the top of this ticket, so I personally have no problem with her one heartbeat away from the Presidency, especially considering the alternatives.

Posted by: JakeD | October 1, 2008 8:46 AM

MarkInAustin wrote:

"We wouldn't be having all the problems we are having with the economy right now if we hadn't aborted 40 million Americans (is that word more neutral than child or fetus?) over the past 35 years."

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Wow Mark; You win the award for stupidest thing I've ever read on the internet *ever*.

Have you ever considered that maybe you would have ended up with 40 million more criminals, or 40 million more welfare recipients, or 40 million more drug users?

How about 40 million more out of work, because all our jobs have been outsourced?

But you don't care about any of that. You can continue living your hilbilly, pickup truck, gun-shooting, beer guzzling, redneck lifestyle. You're probably from the south, which I'd like to remind everyone tried to ceceed from the union. Well, I wish you had. Take your south and shove it.

You guys think this is some sort of weird game, like football, where you root for your team no matter what. Well, it's not a sport, it's about the future of this country, assuming we even *have* a country still (I'm assuming Bush might push the button and bring on the rapture before Jan 20th).

We need to fix our crumbling infrastructure, bring jobs back to this country, and get ourselves out of the financial mess we're in. The way we're going now, we're going to be a 3rd world nation in 10 years. We HAVE to change direction.

McCain doesn't represent a change of any kind, and he seems like a dangerous man with a gambling problem. The fact that every time there's a crisis, he runs back to washington and "suspends" things.

And then there's vapid Palin, who couldn't tell economic policy from foregin policy if you held a gun to her head. You really want her heartbeat from the presidency?

Don't make me laugh.

There's only one logical choice. Obama. Anything else is foolishness, sticking your head in the sand.

And let's be truthful -- you guys wouldn't have a problem with Obama if he was a white guy, right?


Posted by: techrat | October 1, 2008 2:17 AM

shaunpeter:

What do you think is the worst "lie" that Gov. Palin has told?

Posted by: JakeD | October 1, 2008 1:29 AM

I have never stated that I only stand for winning -- for instance, in the past I have stated if Gov. Palin is lying about giving birth to Trig, I won't vote for her and McCain -- maybe you are thinking of the fake JakeD??

Posted by: JakeD | October 1, 2008 1:26 AM

The reason Democrats are so angry is that they are watching America go down the toilet while Republicans divert their attention and cheer on the very culprits who are destroying it. Another big frustration is the multitude of hypocritical, hateful christians that want respect from all people without compromise or giving their respect to anyone. If Sarah Palin becomes the Vice President of the United States I am going to vomit. She is a lying, deceitful, rat in sheep's clothing and the world is absolutely appalled that Americans are so stupid. Do they not recognize blatant lies and pandering when they see it? Especially after an eight year lesson on this sort of thing.. It is truly shameful. I'm convinced that at this point OJ Simpson could run for president, preach a pro-life stance and teaching of abstinence in schools(even though doing so results in MORE abortions from MORE unwanted pregnancies due to ignorance) and deny global warming and evolution despite the MOUNTAINS of evidence to the contrary, and he would win 99% of the christian vote while Fox News sings his praises. A McCain/Palin ticket would divide this country like never before in our history. The major difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Democrats want everyone to have freedom to live as they choose(one of the ideals this nation was FOUNDED on) and Republicans want to force everyone to live as they do. It will NEVER happen and trying to do so will only further divide this country and keep us from worrying about more important issues like SCHOOLS and HEALTH CARE. A message to the Christians out there- I support your right to believe what you want to, but stop letting crooked politicians and corrupt media outlets use your religion to mislead and pander to you. You should know that the majority of Republicans, behind closed doors, refer to you as "useful idiots". That is, good for money and votes, but not much else. Stop believing the lies that you learn from watching media outlets controlled by corrupt Republicans. For the actual TRUTH about Obama, his great amount of experience, his past successes, and his long track record of helping out the little man even when he must pass up opportunities to make a lot of money, JUST READ THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE ABOUT HIM. After that, you can make up your own mind. Just stop quoting the blatant lies, you are beginning to sound like retarded parrots who have been living in Karl Rove's office... if you even know who Karl Rove is. He is the guy who writes Palin's, McCain's, and Bushes' speeches, and comes up with their crooked strategies to mislead America for the good of the rich and corporations. Ignorance is not a sin, but WILLFUL ignorance is.

Posted by: shaunpeter | October 1, 2008 1:25 AM

Wow - the country is burning to the ground, and McCain supporters are infatuated with sycphantic fantasies about secret muslim baby killers who want to give them free health care. Just wow. With this add, Obama has shown once again that he is the only adult in the room.

Posted by: flavor13 | October 1, 2008 12:51 AM

June 9, 2005
Number of Americans Outside the Income Tax System Continues to Grow

by Scott A. Hodge

Fiscal Fact No. 27

One of the biggest obstacles facing President Bush’s Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform is the fact that America has become divided between a growing class of people who pay no income taxes and a shrinking class of people who are bearing the lion’s share of the burden.

Despite the charges of critics that the tax cuts enacted in 2001, 2003 and 2004 favored the “rich,” these cuts actually reduced the tax burden of low- and middle-income taxpayers and shifted the tax burden onto wealthier taxpayers. Tax Foundation economists estimate that for tax year 2004, a record 42.5 million Americans who filed a tax return (one-third of the 131 million returns filed last year) had no tax liability after they took advantage of their credits and deductions. Millions more paid next to nothing.


So for the families already paying no income tax, I guess Obama would just give them money, that's the only way their taxes could be 'lowered'. So they will become partially wards of the state- didn't Clinton et al work pretty hard to get rid of welfare as a way of life?????

Posted by: cjkillingsworth | October 1, 2008 12:49 AM

If you can't see how 40 million more, productive Americans would have impacted a slowing economy, don't blame me Gator-ron.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 7:23 PM

That statement is predicated on an economic theory that when put into practice gave of a recession that looks like it is shaping up to the mother of all recessions.

Recessions can be countered by creating jobs by direct injection of cash into the economy. By creating new jobs that are solely in this country and by stopping tax breaks to companies who make their money overseas and delay paying taxes on it.

McCain will do nothing for ordinary Americans. He will stimulate jobs by giving money to investors who can creat those jobs here or abroad McCain could care less.

With Obama,the tax breaks that exist as tax loopholes will be filled and companies that create jobs within the US. The difference between you two and me is I care about the economy and have chosen Obama because of his economic policies and you don't care about the economy of the country. You care about politics and winning. I care about winning because I care about the economy.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 1, 2008 12:01 AM

I have to agree with Jake on this. We wouldn't be having all the problems we are having with the economy right now if we hadn't aborted 40 million Americans (is that word more neutral than child or fetus?) over the past 35 years. But, even if Obama were pro-life, I couldn't vote for him based on all his other positions.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 6:43 PM

For the record, Gator-ron accused those of us who talk negatively about Obama of "never talk[ing] about how McCain will benefit" us. That's what my comment was directed at -- I have indeed pointed out many such benefits -- regardless of whether you call an unborn baby a "child" or "fetus".

Posted by: JakeD | September 30, 2008 6:34 PM

This is an attempt to change the subject of the failed economic policies of Bush which John McCain wants to continue but does not want to talk about because he changes his opinion so frequently in the past two weeks that it is hard to tell what McCain stands for except winning. JakeD has stated he only stands for winning.

Barack Obama stands for a change in the economic landscape so that the level of job creation will be more important than compant profits and john McCain stands for limiting the rights of women to have control over their bodies.

These two guys who I have chastised for running from the economic issues see the economy in just the way I have stated. Do you want a president who will be concerned about whether you have a job or do want a president who will be concerned about whether the fetus is brought to full term.

By the way very few people who favor woman having the right to control their own body are not revolted by abortion. Not that that will put bread on the table of the pregnant mother.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 11:50 PM

This is a difficult issue.

Obama wants tax revenue like what they have in Michigan. Declining!

But we can spend more. Unlike Michigan, we can print more money. No problem, no Obama!

http://www.bop-o-rama.com

McCain '08

Posted by: acarponzo | September 30, 2008 9:00 PM

This writer wants you to vote against your own economic interest and continue the policies that have left more and more people falling behind in an economy that has not produced jobs. This person has nothing to offer you so he changes the subject to what is important to him because in fact he is only interested that the tax breaks keep going to the people who are getting them now. He does not want you to judge him on the basis of past performance but on the basis of a theory that has failed us for the past eight years.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 11:35 PM

America still does not know who the real Barack Hussein Obama is, but Americans remember Obama’s 20 year close association and blood relationship with his religious leader, priest and father image, Jeremiah Wright.

Americans remember vividly the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright's congregation which included Obama and Oprah, when they were celebrating in bombastic joy, the murderous attack on America on 9/11.

Americans that love our country and have always been proud of it, know Barack is a radical extremist and black supremacist that has a hidden agenda that is a serious threat to the American values we all treasure and cherish.

Country First!
McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | September 30, 2008 11:29 PM

“I Disagree With What The Majority Of The American People Want.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGfGtC4Ldms

A portion of health care is already socialized--Medicaid. Plus the guys on Capitol Hill have socialized health benefits as well, which is what Obama wants to extend to the all Americans. If your congressman can have good free health benefits, why not you?

In Canada about 50% of people's income (or adjusted gross incomes) goes towards taxes. Now 50% of your gross income is a lot of money but 50% of your Adjusted Gross Income, which is after write-offs, isn't much especially if you own a business. www.residualwealth.net

Posted by: r3sidual | September 30, 2008 9:44 PM

" I hate to break it to all the Obama fans but he will indeed raise taxes on all of us. I used to live in Canada where most of our income went to universal health care. If Obama becomes president he'll have no option but to raise all of our taxes to pay for his universal health care policies. Let me make this clear, I nearly died under that system and saw a friend of mine die because of lack of care. Obama is trouble, both on the economy and on foreign policy."

I don't know when you lived in Canada, but I do, and I sure as hell don't pay what you say,

So here's what I pay. I make $ 60,000.00 a year. I pay $85.00 per month for health care.In B.C. that includes ambulance service from the largest government run service in North America including Air Ambulance FREE. I can see any doctor I choose, I can go to any hospital I choose, when in hospital my medications are covered, I have additional insurance to cover prescription drugs at a cost of $30.00 a month, but most employers pay most or all of the premiums.

The difference is the health care system does not operate for profit, drug costs are regulated by the government, and like most civilized countries around the world, it works, yours can to.

But you'll never have it until somebody like Obama makes it happen.

Posted by: kentaylor1 | September 30, 2008 9:09 PM

This is a difficult issue.

Obama wants tax revenue like what they have in Michigan. Declining!

But we can spend more. Unlike Michigan, we can print more money. No problem, no Obama!

http://www.bop-o-rama.com

McCain '08

Posted by: acarponzo | September 30, 2008 9:00 PM

Posted by: 1234ana | September 30, 2008 8:42 PM

Mark,

Your veiws are slanted and arrogant and full of poison. Your attitude is unrepentant and prideful. I send you to the cornfield. Now go to bed without dinner. I will speak to you no more.

Posted by: msmith97 | September 30, 2008 8:34 PM

Thanks, MarkInAustin ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 30, 2008 8:32 PM

This is a great ad. Senator Obama gets his message out and weeds out the lies that the McCain and his team are making.

Tax cut for all those making $250K and less. So..I have about 4/5 of my family and friends get a tax cut and a 1/5 get their taxes raised and they aren't upset. This is more than 90% of the families in the US. The big corporate/wealthy tax cuts provided by Bush will be allowed to just expire and not be renewed. No more robber baron policies.

Obama is a charismatic leader for the 21st century. McCain will barely live his life in this century and he and his party are an anachronism of unworkable philosophies for this evolving world. Investment in 21st century infrastructure including energy, the working classes (education, health, jobs) and investment in "targeted technologies" and competitive industries will make the US competitive around the world. We are losing our position by not investing in our people, infrastructure, technologies, and industries that build jobs in the US. Big corporations are outsourcing. We need jobs that are created at home.

Posted by: lucy2008 | September 30, 2008 8:31 PM

NoneoftheAbove08

Please read his post. This is the kind of person that supports McCain.
Talk about taxing and they fire back that their money is property. You're not allowed to touch their "property".

The government under Bush has spent more than all other administrations COMBINED. They dropped taxes on the richest hoping that it would all be reinvested. It wasn't It isn't . It never will be. Rich people don't get rich by spending. They get rich by hoarding. Poor people spend because they have to. If you want liquidity in the country, give it to the poor and middle class in the form of tax cuts. They will spend it and keep it in circulation. Tax the rich appropriatly and they won't be able to hoard. They will have to invest.

That's Keensian economics. It's proven. It works. This garbage the the Bush's and Raygun espouse has no basis and no proof and has brought us to the brink we are at now. We've been saying it for years and years. You had to see it fail to believe it.

Posted by: msmith97 | September 30, 2008 8:30 PM

Did you feel the same about Scott Peterson?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 8:25 PM

I never said "G-d is being cheated" or that God is "stupid." As for your view that MEN (I assume) don't have anything to say about it, do you feel the same way about the MEN on the juries for Susan Smith or Andrea Yates?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 8:21 PM

MarkInAustin, Why is it always about abortion with you idiots? You don't have anything to say about it and you shouldn't. It's not your choice unless she makes it yours. Let people do what they must and reconcile with G-d as they can.

You say it's G-d that's being cheated. You're pride and arrogance is unbelievable. G-d would never waste a soul on a baby that will never be born. Trust me, He isn't as stupid as you think He is.
Go back and read your Bible. Stop listening to men telling you what you should do and go talk to G-d. The finest gift he ever gave us is free will. Don't take that away from anyone or you're serving the other side. You don't have the right.

Posted by: msmith97 | September 30, 2008 8:15 PM

On the flip side, something called "The Roe Effect" is a hypothesis about the long-term effect of abortion on the political balance in the U.S., which suggests that since supporters of abortion rights cause the erosion of their own political base, the practice of abortion will eventually lead to the restriction or illegalization of abortion. The best-known proponent of this theory is James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal who coined the phrase "Roe Effect" in Best of the Web Today, his OpinionJournal.com column.

Put simply, this theory holds that:

-- Those who favor legal abortion are much more likely to get one than those who oppose it.

-- Children usually follow their parents' political leanings.

-- Therefore, pro-choice parents will have more abortions and, hence, fewer children.

-- Therefore, the pro-choice population gradually shrinks in proportion to the pro-life population.

-- Therefore, support for legal abortions will decline over time.

A similar argument suggests that political groups that oppose abortion will tend to have more supporters in the long run than those who support it. See "The Roe Effect: The right to abortion has diminished the number of Democratic voters" by Taranto (Wall Street Journal, July 6, 2005) for a detailed explanation and statistical evidence that supports the theory.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 8:07 PM

If you can't see how 40 million more, productive Americans would have impacted a slowing economy, don't blame me Gator-ron.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 7:23 PM

Norma McCorvey (the pregnant woman named "Jane Roe" in Roe vs. Wade) wrote in her book, Won by Love:
Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 6:59 PM

When you have nothing useful to say about the economy, you change the subject.

So, he is IN FACT in favor of letting the Bush tax cuts expire, as scheduled, in 2011 (but just for the "wealthy" he says)? After the $700 billion bailout bill he's pushing, we all know that everyone's getting a tax increase under an Obama Administration.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 2:36 PM

75% of voters will do better under Obama than McCain so go ahead and believe this man and you can still be helping yourself by voting for Obama.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 3:06 PM

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 7:12 PM

Norma McCorvey (the pregnant woman named "Jane Roe" in Roe vs. Wade) wrote in her book, Won by Love:

"I was sitting in O.R.'s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. "Norma," I said to myself, "They're right." I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth -- that's a baby!"

I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about "products of conception." It wasn't about "missed periods." It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion–at any point–was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear."

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 6:59 PM

I have to agree with Jake on this. We wouldn't be having all the problems we are having with the economy right now if we hadn't aborted 40 million Americans (is that word more neutral than child or fetus?) over the past 35 years. But, even if Obama were pro-life, I couldn't vote for him based on all his other positions.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 6:43 PM

For the record, Gator-ron accused those of us who talk negatively about Obama of "never talk[ing] about how McCain will benefit" us. That's what my comment was directed at -- I have indeed pointed out many such benefits -- regardless of whether you call an unborn baby a "child" or "fetus".

Posted by: JakeD | September 30, 2008 6:34 PM

Obama Plans to spend alot more then the 700 billion they are talking about http://www.theobamaplan.com

See Biden Practice the debates with a Sarah Palin Stand In. She is a Sarah Palin impersonator. http://www.theveep.com

See Palin rehearsing for the debate at http://www.watchdebate.com

Posted by: pastor123 | September 30, 2008 6:28 PM

Gator-ron: I agree with the analysis in your posts, especially the ones responding and quoting directly the McCain supporters. We need more posts like yours on news sites to counteract the lying, distortions and propaganda.

Posted by: politicker | September 30, 2008 6:28 PM

Those who are not talking about the economy now are trying to distract you from the Republican failures. The economy is on the ropes and Republicans are confused about what to do about it. They are against the current bailout but have offered nothing that would help the economy. I heard them offer a tax cut which would profit the Wall Street types that got us into this but nothing that will help you and me.

It is significant that Democrats are talking about the economy today and Republicans about stem cells and coal. When you have nothing to offer about the economy you change the subject.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 6:08 PM

JakeD

A child is a young human being below the age of full physical development.

A fetus is an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

You don't use the proper terminology for a reason. When that happens it is usually because the truth is suffering.

You are an educated man write like one.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 5:56 PM

In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future. I follow a economist named bob proctor who has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly. He perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown ,and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years Is terrifying. He thinks it will be worse then the great depression. Banks in the US are going under one after the other. Country wide the largest morgage bank in the world Bear Stearns and Lehman brothers , and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. And now Fanny and Freddy which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States. The goverment took them over because they are essentially bankrupt. If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash And we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before The future of these companies will fall into the hands of our next president
Bush just like Mcain doesn't understand the economy.

That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it
He does not understand exactly what is broken. Its no surprise that he doesnt. The people that make up these
securities use complex math models very few people understand.
Bush and mccain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.


Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks take risks with all of our future.
Now Phil Graham is the head of mccains economic policy ,and mccain wants to make him the next secretary of the treasury.
No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time bush met with his economic advisors was in march. He either didnt realize or didnt care that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy in our lifetime.
It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as bush has done mccain would be
incredibly worse because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 deficit. Most of Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
If you do what you have always done then you will do get what you have always __________

When it comes to policy bush and mccain are the same 90 percent of the time.
So why are the polls even close then ?

The chairman of mcains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues

they vote on a personality composite which means. He is trying to sell you personality instead of results.
He believes people will vote against there own self interests.

Lets teach him we are smarter then that .
Hold them accountable now while it will still help
Elect Obama Biden 2008

Posted by: ObamaBidenNOW | September 30, 2008 5:53 PM

The facts are we will all see his lies come back and bite him. Hopefully not many of you are working for small companies, because under obama's plan, they will suffer and have to make cuts.

Posted by: cbl0213 | September 30, 2008 5:08 PM

Here the technique is to talk about lies and tell you that stimulating the economy in a way different than Bush did will hurt you. More of the same does not work.

If Republicans were worried about small businesses they would have voted for this bailout. For it is small business who is most hurt when credit dries up in the banks and the purpose of the bailout is to make credit available.

This is just political double speak. Nowhere did this writer talk about you and what will be done about your situation. Obama's ad talks directly to that.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 5:49 PM

JakeD

Why bring up abortion? Do you just live to pick fights on these post?

Posted by: elbuzz07 | September 30, 2008 5:48 PM

So, McCain said he "suspended his campaign" to make sure we got a deal to fix the economy. Of course, that was a lie. He went on Katie Couric's show (thus dissing and lying to Letterman), did another speech the next day, and kept his attack ads on the air the whole time.

Then, McCain said he wouldn't debate until we had a deal. He still debated. Still no deal. Then, he "restarted his campaign" again, as the deal back in Washington crumbled along with our stock market. This is his "leadership." Oh, and he created the blackberry in there somewhere too.


McCain is a LIAR!...end of story:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4egXbhSOhk
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Posted by: DrainYou | September 30, 2008 5:46 PM

He cometh and he taketh awayeth.

Notice how he doesn't say people "earning" $250,000 a year. He says people "making."

Nobama '08

http://www.boppoll.com

Posted by: acarponzo | September 30, 2008 5:43 PM

Under NOBAMA we're all likely to be jobless... what happens to the markets when none of us can pay our mortgages?

Posted by: tmacioszek | September 30, 2008 5:15 PM

Notice he does not tell you how what he says will happen and he wants you to forgo your tax cut based on a theory that has not worked for the last eight years.

It is a minor point in this case but he does not say what will be done to help you and that is because there is nothing but a promise that what failed under Bush will succeed under McCain without doing anything different.

McCain does not talk about the middle class because that is not his focus. This person here is doing the same thing,

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 5:42 PM

Under NOBAMA we're all likely to be jobless... what happens to the markets when none of us can pay our mortgages?

Posted by: tmacioszek | September 30, 2008 5:15 PM

Obama's tax plan is okay with me. I make less than $250,000 a year as do 95+ % of Americans.

Mr. Obama you have my permission to tax yourself, McCain, Romney, Hillary, Giuliani, Thompson, Biden, Hannity, Limbaugh, Olbermann, Gibson, Couric, Cooper, and others more.

Anyone who opposes the Obama tax plan must be making over $250,000 a year!

Posted by: AJ2008 | September 30, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse
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You have no right to give permission to Obama (or anyone for that matter) to forcibly take property away from those you listed.

Do you understand the concept of property rights? It is one of the strongest rights that one can have and is the REASON behind this nation's economic success and wealth.

Posted by: NoneoftheAbove08 | September 30, 2008 5:14 PM

The facts are we will all see his lies come back and bite him. Hopefully not many of you are working for small companies, because under obama's plan, they will suffer and have to make cuts.

Posted by: cbl0213 | September 30, 2008 5:08 PM

"I hate to break it to all the Obama fans but he will indeed raise taxes on all of us. I used to live in Canada where most of our income went to universal health care."

Posted by: believeit | September 30, 2008 4:48 PM

Accept these distortions as true. 75% of Americans will do better under the Obama tax plan than under McCain's. Obama's health care plan is a single payer and McCain's health care plan helps no one seeking heath care cost protection but helps the health care insurance industry who already has bloated administrative costs by deregulating them This writer is suggesting that you support no meaningful improvement in your health care and less decrease in taxes for 75% of Americans.

The important thing to think about when you read a post from a McCain supporter is how will what they say improve my situation. You will find out that most times it will not. They just want to complain about Obama and do things like deregulate heath care insurance and take away consumer protection.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 5:02 PM

I hate to break it to all the Obama fans but he will indeed raise taxes on all of us. I used to live in Canada where most of our income went to universal health care. If Obama becomes president he'll have no option but to raise all of our taxes to pay for his universal health care policies. Let me make this clear, I nearly died under that system and saw a friend of mine die because of lack of care. Obama is trouble, both on the economy and on foreign policy.

Posted by: believeit | September 30, 2008 4:48 PM

The Government Accountability Office (GOA) study on corporate tax liability found 2/3 of US controlled and foreign-controlled domestic corporations reported on tax liability between 1998 and 2005.

Nearly 50% of these corporations had gross receipts of $50 million or $250 million in assets.

How does a corporation bring in $50 million in receipts, yet owe no tax? Loopholes in the tax codes designed to eliminate tax liability for corporations.

How does a corporation afford $250 million in assets, yet owe no tax? Loopholes in the tax codes designed to eliminate tax liability for corporations.

The average American is taxed on:
1)income
2)food
3)goods (appliances, clothes, furniture, etc)
4)services
5)property
6)cars
7)interest on their savings accounts

Americans are taxed when they earn their money and they are taxed again when they spend their hard-earned money. The only Americans who are income tax exempt are the near destitute.

There is no tax free zone for the average American.

Yet, corporations making millions live lavishly in a government tax free zone.

It's high time corporations start paying their fair share in taxes.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | September 30, 2008 4:10 PM

Rububs must be masochists, it's
"Please sir give me more"

Posted by: JRM2 | September 30, 2008 4:01 PM

theoatwa:

I agree that "talk is cheap." While we are all just shooting the breeze, however, do you really think that all those people are going to get an Obama tax cut IF the $700 billion bailout bill that he's also pushing gets passed?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 3:58 PM

republicans spew enough slogans and labels.
back to reality, the top-down free for all markets have failed miserably and are sinking the country to new lows.

enough fear-mongering. obama's about balance.

besides, talk is cheap.
……………… MCCAIN …………. OBAMA
Income ……. Avg tax bill ……. Avg. tax bill
Over $2.9M …. -$269,364 (-4.4%)… +$701,885 ( 11.5%)
$603K and up…. -$45,361 (-3.4%)… $115,974 ( 8.7%)
$227K-$603K…… -$7,871 (-3.1%)…….. $12 ( 0.0%)
$161K-$227K…… -$4,380 (-3.0%)….. -$2,789 (-1.9%)
$112K-$161K…… -$2,614 (-2.5%)….. -$2,204 (-2.1%)
$66K-$112K …… -$1,009 (-1.4%)….. -$1,290 (-1.8%)
$38K-$66K …….. -$319 (-0.7%)….. -$1,042 (-2.4%)
$19K-$38K …….. -$113 (-0.5%)……. -$892 (-3.6%)
Under $19K ……… -$19 (-0.2%)……. -$567 (-5.5%)
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/?postversion=2008061113

one of the most important things you can do right now as an american is to pass this fact on to every single person you know.

the truth can set the people free.

Posted by: theoatwa | September 30, 2008 3:47 PM

Unborn children will "benefit" by McCain being President. I think I've pointed that out several times now.

Posted by: JakeD | September 30, 2008 3:43 PM

Obama's tax plan is okay with me. I make less than $250,000 a year as do 95+ % of Americans.

Mr. Obama you have my permission to tax yourself, McCain, Romney, Hillary, Giuliani, Thompson, Biden, Hannity, Limbaugh, Olbermann, Gibson, Couric, Cooper, and others more.

Anyone who opposes the Obama tax plan must be making over $250,000 a year!

Posted by: AJ2008 | September 30, 2008 3:43 PM

Obama is not preaching populism, it is good common sense.

I depend on the stock market for my means of support and with the Clinton economic policy that meant profits and with Bush that has meant losses.

Listen to the ad, and then listen to the spin and decide who is talking to you and who is talking to big corporations.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 3:40 PM

Those who talk negatively about Obama, never talk about how McCain will benefit you. There is talk about creating new jobs but the Bush record is that job production was less than 25% of Clinton's and McCain wants more of the same.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 3:34 PM

Beware of those who preach idiology rather than solutions. Their ideology is that of Bush who brought us to this mess.

Obama finds the solution for now. McCain finds the solution for all time. The problem is that it has not be working and is illogical at this moment.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 3:30 PM

This is double speak. There are all kinds of ways he intends to raise taxes. But what is worse is the tax credits he is proposing amount to redistribution of wealth.

Nobama '08

http://www.boppoll.com

Posted by: acarponzo | September 30, 2008 3:21 PM

The difference between McCain and Obama is that the tax curs will go to those who have been most unfairly treated in this financial crisis. Those who did not spend over their means, those who were not greedy in lending and in leveraging their investments.

McCain wants to give tax cuts who have profited from this crisis. I think that is wrong. The bailout is bad enough but rewarding the people who caused this problem is stupid. They are still in business and will feel free to try a new way of gauging the public.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 3:12 PM

Obama is preaching the populist message that would take us even further into the European Model........of telling poor and middle-class folks that only the 'rich' and the corporations should pay taxes, and they should pay big-time. This is a cynical, political move to win votes..........and it works. But it is so dangerous, and it will further ruin the vibrancy of our capitalism. Obama does not like capitalism; that's a fact. He is downright dangerous to our future, and that for our kids' future working prospects. It's an empty promise to have the "rich" pay the costs of running and defending the country. Shame on Obama and his ilk.

Posted by: sbourg55 | September 30, 2008 3:09 PM

So, he is IN FACT in favor of letting the Bush tax cuts expire, as scheduled, in 2011 (but just for the "wealthy" he says)? After the $700 billion bailout bill he's pushing, we all know that everyone's getting a tax increase under an Obama Administration.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 2:36 PM

75% of voters will do better under Obama than McCain so go ahead and believe this man and you can still be helping yourself by voting for Obama.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 30, 2008 3:06 PM

It's disingenuous to say that the $700 billion bailout bill is Senator Obama's. President Bush asked for it initially. Senator McCain has been a proponent and Senator Obama and the Democratic and Republican leadership in both the House and Senate have signed onto the proposal.

This is a (failed) bipartisan effort.

Posted by: scott032 | September 30, 2008 2:55 PM

So, he is IN FACT in favor of letting the Bush tax cuts expire, as scheduled, in 2011 (but just for the "wealthy" he says)? After the $700 billion bailout bill he's pushing, we all know that everyone's getting a tax increase under an Obama Administration.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 30, 2008 2:36 PM

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