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Biden Steps Up Criticism of McCain


Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) speaks at South Lake High School in St. Clair Shores, Mich., Sept. 15, 2008. (AP/Paul Sancya)

By Perry Bacon, Jr.
ST. CLAIR SHORES, Mich. -- Can Sen. Joe Biden become a major force in the 2008 presidential race?

While Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has captured the attention of the public and the press and helped increase crowds at McCain's events, Biden has campaigned solo for the last two weeks, drawing headlines in local newspapers but little national attention.

The Obama campaign, looking to increase its vice-presidential nominee's profile, heavily billed his speech here serving up a 30-minute indictment of McCain's campaign tactics and policy proposals. Many of Biden's critiques of McCain's proposals on health care and the economy were familiar, as Biden argued a McCain presidency would be "Bush 44," a case Obama has made himself for months. (On tax cuts, health care and Iraq, McCain offers similar proposals to Bush administration policy; on other matters, such climate change and embryonic stem cell research, he differs with the administration.)

Biden called McCain "out of touch," as Obama has done in campaign ads and speeches over the last few days.

The speech reflected two tactical shifts from the Obama campaign. The campaign has decided to turn its focus almost exclusively to McCain and leave Palin out of it; Biden mentioned Palin's name only a handful of times and did not address any of his attacks to her. But Biden pressed hard on the new Obama argument that McCain is running a dishonorable campaign, part of shift on the Obama campaign's part towards raising doubts about McCain's character as much as attacking his policy views. Biden cited nonpartisan groups that have called McCain campaign ads misleading.

"Eight years ago, a man ran for President who claimed he was different, not a typical Republican. He called himself a reformer...." Biden told a crowd of more than 800 here. "Eight years later, we have another Republican nominee who's telling us the exact same thing.... Folks, we've seen this movie before, and we know the sequel is always worse than the original."

He added, "The same campaign that once called for a town hall a week is now launching a low blow a day."

McCain has defended his ads as accurate and said Obama should have agreed to a series of joint town halls McCain proposed that would have created a more substantive debate on issues.

Biden's attacks on McCain drew applause from the partisan audience here, but Palin seems to have captured much of the energy on the Democratic side as well.

"Now Governor Palin, his running mate," Biden started a sentence, only to interrupted by loud boos that were more pronounced than for any mentions of McCain. "She made a statement that all senators do is vote, that's all they do. Well, just imagine what America would look like if John's votes over the last 20 years had become the law of the land."

Biden tried to make his critiques of McCain personal, referring to his longtime "friend" as "John." Biden recalled that he had offered to help rebut "scurrilous" charges the Bush campaign made against McCain during the South Carolina GOP primary in 2000.

"It's disappointing to me literally to think that the guy I knew, John McCain really does approve this message," Biden said.

But, while Obama campaign tries to ignore Palin, Biden may getting the silent treatment too.

In a statement released by the McCain campaign attacking Biden's speech, Ben Porritt, a campaign spokesman, referred to "ridiculous comments" by "Barack Obama's running mate."

By Web Politics Editor  |  September 15, 2008; 2:50 PM ET
Categories:  Barack Obama , Battlegrounds , Joe Biden , John McCain , Sarah Palin  
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Quote: "I know that when this is all over, Barrack Obama will be our next President"

If he is, you won't have a job this time next year either. Who started and sponsored NAFTA, the treaty that caused all the jobs to flee, Bill Clinton and the democrats. Who was in power in Congress when the US started the downhill run, yep, the democrats.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I grew up in a developing country I always knew that The Unites States had always been the hope of the earth. I don't know what is going on, but the American dream won't last longer if we just keep fighting each other instead of solving our differences. I can't even find a job. 2 months already and still looking for a job>? Is this the AMerica they are promising? no it is not. I don't think Barrack Obama is not the best choice but he is not the worse either. He inspires me confidence. John McCain does not. I know that when this is all over, Barrack Obama will be our next President

Posted by: Macanaky | September 16, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "I got pictures to prove it. Just wait"

We're still waiting after all these hours.

Posted by: annonymouse | September 16, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "All we Canadians see is America falling apart. With all respect to the USA. just an old 56 year old that know.."

What a laugh, the USA falling apart? This from a Canadian whose country can't even control a province who speaks French and wants to secede. This from a country whose socialized medicine has forcesd 9 doctors to relocate to my city of less than 100,000 in the USA. Hilarious.

Posted by: annonymouse | September 16, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Ive given up on the 2008 election, I am not the only one.
http://www.skip08.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmm....Joe Biden is a lifer in the senate...what has he done that's so great?

His views are:
- more government spending and TAXES
- More government control
- More redistribution of wealth
- Flawed Iraq policy
- More gun restrictions

The guy is a walking socialist...no doubt. The only people voting for the Obama ticket are the ones that want nanny state government to help them out, vs helping themselves out by being responsible.

How much did Biden give to charity? Not much. Of the $2.5 million he's earned over the last 10 years he gave less than $4,000. He's really willing to help. Way to go Joe. Just like Gore, all talk and more blow.

Posted by: MakeUsProud | September 16, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

My! The Dems are in full fledge hate mode! Look at their comments. Nothing is too profane and nothing is sacred with them. They claw, scream, threaten and spew vile with every word. This is what Obama brings to the country! Hate, disrespect, filth and poison. His teachings by Wright were not wasted on this group! They lap it up his venom like starving pigs(with lipstick). A vote for Obama is a vote for radical ISLAM!

Posted by: dragonfly777 | September 16, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

What we have found to your question on gun control, the answer would be no. Anyone can get a gun and they do. What our country, most people of Canada believe is that you have to be responsible and not shoot your kids or old man when he sneaks in the house. But NO, Killers and gang members will get a gun one way or another. Lock them up, and stop the NRA. Nobody needs a cash of weapons.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 16, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

It is so very cruel to mention Palins College years as one blogger did. I am an Obama wishful from Canada, and a senior in some respect. Leave her college years out for gosh sakes. I hurt deeply by all the mistakes I have made being younger . I do not believe this helps America strange one. She is a mother, not a college student. Talk about real issues, but back off the Crap.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 16, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Many in rural USA are all for Obama we love him.

Questions brought to my attention today not yet seen mentioned

Is the crime rate higher in areas with more gun control? Why did we have the right to bear arms in the first place? Why didn't Hitler invade Switzerland? Is the crime rate lower in areas with less gun control? I am not referring to the rape and incest in Alaska.

Who produces the most food? Who produces the most oil? Do we really have wheat rotting on barges?

Why is our government borrowing its own money from the federal reserve? Don't we actually own the fed reserve? If not who does? Didn't we have a gold standard?


Are taxes even legal in the first place? Don't corporations only pay taxes on their profits? If so wouldn't this mean if after cost of doing business, huge wages for the CEO, they still have billions in profits ....... the profit could be paid as a wage to all of the remaining employees at the bottom and therefore no profit would exist? Hence no tax?

Who looses money if we develop hydrogen powered cars? Who gains? The technology is there, is the distribution system? Before any one has a cow or two think about what are you made from? water? and water is?


What about phyto mining? Can it really be done?
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2000/000622.htm

It was fun reading all the bull. My mean words are bigger and better then yours. Well I have children and grandchildren. I remember when not everyone had an allergy. My drinking water was clean.


Do you know when the over 5000 chemicals used in cosmetics like say lip stick, are used in the petroleum industry and disposed of, they are labeled toxic / hazardous? CDC has lots of info on the toxic waste we beautify our bodies with .... did I say lip stick, toxic. Don't know about you but this scares me.

Really not all of us who live in big states with small populations are incapable of having a clue or two?

Posted by: grandma | September 16, 2008 4:43 AM | Report abuse

Who's Joe Biden again?

Posted by: Mr. D. | September 16, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

Letterman, Leno, and Stewart need Good Stuff.

Vote Republican!!

Posted by: T-Prop | September 16, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

With respect, what do you think, Obama VP did or was wrong was wrong in the last debates. Please, give me an Idea. All we Canadians see is America falling apart. With all respect to the USA. just an old 56 year old that knows he has done wrong.
Please, for I want to learn, even at 56+.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 16, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

we were classmates

Posted by: hannity | September 16, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I got pictures to prove it. Just wait

Posted by: hannity | September 16, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Did you know Palin turned tricks while attending college?

Posted by: hannity | September 16, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Wow, McCain has BALLS -- "the economy if fundamentally sound" -- too bad his balls to saggy and old to fully obscure what's very evident in ALL of America's eyes. YOU and the party you run with are the reason we are in a Recession (yeah, we know you are covering thing up) and headed for Depression.

Thanks McCain . . . but NO THANKS on that 4 Year Bridge to nowhere.

Posted by: Lola Sanderman | September 15, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Joe been in Washington since 1972. He's to the lift and to the right, on many issues and wrong on just about all. On Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas wrong, the three state solution for Iraq wrong. Looking at Biden's record, and long years in Washington a CHANGE is needed.

Posted by: xthat | September 15, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

And I only wish truth. What do you the people of the USA want?? Change one with Obama, or change 2 with McCain after Palin appeared out of nowhwere?? We as friends, and again, "one continent for ever" would like to know. Life and change does not look so great for all of you. I blame the media. We in Canada get different news than you do, possibly sooner. Com on, let all of us, we the people look for afresh start. It's your choose. Get rid of these jokers. 8 years have crushed you, and you have given so very, very much for NOT, as the people. I don't get it.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Scott, the Logan Act has nothing to do with McCain's conversations with Uribe. Read up, if you can.

A senator or congressman has the right to conduct these conversations under the Logan Act. In fact, that is what they do (legally).

Nice try, though.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I won't post it here, but have you seen the youtubes video of Rev. James David Manning, PhD, on Obama and his mother.
Whoa!! And he is black.

Posted by: anonnymouse | September 15, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Biden on the attack?? Hilarious.
Is that why McCain is leading in the average of 11 polls?

Posted by: annonymouse | September 15, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Stop whining the economy is strong for us rich folk. You can be rich too Sale amway.

Posted by: circus monkey | September 15, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I think she was a big freak in school. The only reason to transfer four times is x boyfriend problems or she was a big sluuuut.

Posted by: chitown | September 15, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Jack,

Read about how McCain went on the news today and said, "The economy is in crisis." Just google it. He said it in a townhall meeting.

"The American economy is in a crisis," McCain said. "It is in a crisis."

Just less than 24 hours ago he said the economy was great. Then Lehman brothers declared bankruptcy. And then McCain admits the economy is in crisis. So he flip flopped.

But heck, it is what it is. Flip flop so he did, but burying your head in the sand is not too great either.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

600,000 jobs lost unemployment at 6.1 percent, but the economy is strong. I'm a proud mccain supporter, and like mccain i'm rich.
We don't care about you libs crying. deal with it. I wear $744.00 pair of shoes, and love it. I have a 3.34 million dollar home. I'm doing great, and you can too. Sale amway

Posted by: brock101 | September 15, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Don't get all hysterical and your panties tied in a knot for nothing. There is nothing illegal.

In 1975, the US Department of State, in considering similar complaints against Senators John Sparkmand and George McGovern, concluded as follows:

"Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act]…would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution."

Obama has long said that any agreement governing the future of US forces must be reviewed by the US Congress, as it would tie a future administation's hands on Iraq. This does not violate the Logan act.

There is nothing wrong with having Congress review any plans for the future of US forces. It is part of Congress's duty.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

s palin is a fraud, and will be exposed. She will learn the hard way that you don't hire high school buddies like bush. Reformer my a??
5 schools in 6 years. She have something to hide, and the truth will come out.

Posted by: circus monkey | September 15, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Jack, in case you haven't been paying attention, after McCain said the fundamentals are strong, he then at his next stop said the economy was in a crisis. He doesn't know what the fuuck he's talking about. The reason is he's like a puppet. He says whatever Schmidt and Rove tell him to say, and that's it. Calling him McClone is a good description. He's a clone of a dummy. If you're persuaded by him, you just a pathetic dumb fuuck.

Posted by: Dr. Jack is Braindead | September 15, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey, who cares if Sarah doesn't know what the Bush doctrine is, she's gorgeous and would probably be a great fuuck, so as far as I'm concerned those are the only qualifications she needs. Plus she probably give good head. Why do you think McCain picked her?

Posted by: Typical Lib | September 15, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Today Obama and Biden compared the state of the economy to the "Great Depression" while Sen. McCain, supported by Gov. Sarah Palin's comments acknowledged the economic problems we have but added that the "fundamentals" of the economy are sound. The liberals have flipped out over this shouting from the roof tops that Sen. McCain is "out of touch." I have two serious questions.

1. What would happen to our country if the President of the United States went on TV during prime time tomorrow and said that our economic system has collapsed and we are heading for a depression? Here is a hint, think first about what you, and everyone else, would do with our money in the bank and go from there.

2. If we are in fact heading for much worse economic times as stated by Obama and his friends in the media, who do you trust the most to see us through the worst economic down turn since the great depression, Obama and the most liberal congress in history, or a President McCain and Vice President Sarah Palin?

Here is a third analogy question:

3. Have you ever heard of a coach or captain of a sports team say during half time, we have lost the game or say, we should just quit and go home now?

Oh wait, the Democrats did say “we have lost the war; we should quit and go home” before we started winning the war after the surge.

Posted by: Dr Jack | September 15, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain is so pathetic he's stolen Obama's campaign theme right down to the "more of the same" line. John McCain, the unoriginal, unmaverick. Can't even think for himself.

Posted by: Tom Ridge | September 15, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama started out great. Once, he held the hope to change Washington but now has fallen to a regular Democrat. Change has crashed and the only change in Washington in 2009 will be the change of tenant. Change is now but a mantra to mobilize faithful Democrats and has zil values to independents.

Posted by: FloridaCounts | September 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Regarding aborting a fetus that results from a rape, think about this. Often it's done within days with RU 486 (before anyone even knows whether they're pregnant). It has no effect on anyone but the victim, whose decision it should be. And since God is incapable of willing evil, and rape is evil, a fetus resulting from a rape could not possibly have been intended by God, so there is no reason to keep a victim of rape from aborting the direct product of evil that affects no one but her.

Posted by: Christian Theologian | September 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Update- First mention of this Story on CNN tonight - Lou Dobbs is on it- Obama campaign, of course denies....stay Tuned
if Lou nails down the story, the game is over...

___________________

National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

To Jake D:

Contraception also prevents the spread of disease. Your argument about Americans needing more Americans to be born is fine, but it should be by choice. Contraception is common sense. To be against it just to procreate is like saying, we should just procreate like rabbits because having more rabbits is good. Having a child imposes economic pressures on people, and when unintended, it is not good for anyone, especially the poor child, who may not be brought into a very nurturing environment. Unwanted children are a tragedy. You cannot force this onto other people. It is very outdated and cruel.

Regarding your argument about not punishing an unborn child, who is innocent. Fine. But the victim of rape and incest is also innocent. And to bring into the world a baby born into such a circumstance is unnatural and cruel for both the child and the victim of rape and incest. Why don't you volunteer to raise these kids? Why don't you give money to these mothers that you would be forcing into this kind of situation for the rest of her life?

Regarding the statutes of limitations for women bringing inequity lawsuits, your argument is very specious. Other statutes of limitation are two years. This is just 180 days. Why should this be so short?

Makes sense that your answer to my questions have come from a man.

Regarding

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

i think the republicans on this site need to take a break from sean, glenn, rush and o'reily - seriously! it's like parrots, they don't think for themselves they only repeat what they have been programmed. palin did that on her interview- the only one she has given and that was scary- people are actually reprogramed not to think for themselves- line up with political dogma and they lose all sense of logic and reason. the republicans have done a great job of polarizing the public.

Posted by: twiggy1 | September 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Bless you my American friends whom I knew and treated me so well in 1998.
Don't knock down my posts, for I am just the people of Canada. I am not impressed with my country neither.
But The tyrant in iraq had nothing to do with the tragedy that hit you on 911. Why have you not found the bastard. My opinion if you like or not, Canadians were comforting our best friends on planes. Arabs were flying out of your Country when air traffic was stopped. I think we, both as one, and you can not deny our close ties To the USA. This will never be destroyed as long as I still breathe as a senior for our children. We have to think just a bit, when it comes down why your economy is failing as it is.
May you be blessed and not fooled yet again.


Posted by: Jjustada55+ | September 15, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"But tell me, why should contraception be banned?"

Because some "contraception" actually prevents a fertilized egg from implanting. America needs to produce more Americans.

"Why should a victim of rape or incest be forced to carry the child of the crime perpetrator?"

Same reason we don't kill the victim of rape or incest. It's not the fault of the innocent unborn child either.

"Why does there have to be a 180 day statute of limitations for women to file income inequity claims?"

Because people / companies need SOME certainty in their dealings -- same reason as SOL required for all other causes of action -- as far as I can recall, only ONE crime (murder) has no statute of limitations.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Biden is great. This one will be decided by people's wallets. This site is helpful:


http://www.obamataxcut.com

Posted by: ray ray | September 15, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain is sexist. Underestimating women by using Palin as a marketing ploy to attract women voters. But tell me, why should contraception be banned? Why should a victim of rape or incest be forced to carry the child of the crime perpetrator? Why does there have to be a 180 day statute of limitations for women to file income inequity claims?

It will only be a little while before women will realize how condescending to women this ploy to use Palin as a tool to win the election is.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "I heard a sound coming from the toilet. It was my defecation speaking. It said, "John McCain and Sarah Palin are fine people and should be elected." I replied, "don't give me that sh_t. Anyway, how do you know this." "Very simple, it replied, ALL SH_T SMELLS THE SAME!"

Posted by: John&SarahTheTwoTerdsWeNeed | September 15, 2008 5:02 PM

Now, ain't that a typical lib. Can't reason, so use the old foul mouth routine. Throw it against the wall enough times and it might work (for some other illiterate foul mouthed redneck).

Posted by: annonymouse | September 15, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama has fresh ideas. The McCain campaign is stealing them. Change, new energy sources replacing oil... Reforming Washington. I am going to vote for the one with the fresh idea, not the copy cat.

Anyway, immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. It's clear that McCain and Palin sincerely admire Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "THE compulsory DRAFT for men under 36 is coming in 2009.
Ask McCain for straight talk on that fact.
HE's for it."

Ohhhh! Try this. Every male in Switzerland (the "neutral" country) MUST serve in the military. Every household must be armed. The passes into the country are all protected with spikes, the mountains open up with aircraft on the ready.
No wonder they were "neutral" in the big wars. Their neighbors including Germany are afraid of them.

Quote: "Switzerland: 19 years of age for male compulsory military service; 18 years of age for voluntary male and female military service; the Swiss Constitution states that "every Swiss male is obliged to do military service"; every Swiss male has to serve at least 260 days in the armed forces; conscripts receive 18 weeks of mandatory training, followed by seven 3-week intermittent recalls for training during the next 10 years (2008)

Posted by: willy | September 15, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama and his fans are sexists.

Posted by: kick | September 15, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it Mccain who sang

Bomb Bomb Bomb,Bomb Bomb Iran?

I have a song for Sarah..

I can see clearly (Russia) now the bombs will fall

(Johnny Nash song for those who don't remember)

Posted by: william worrell | September 15, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "People are losing their homes and their jobs, businesses are failing right and left, and this guys has been so detached from our realities that he has the gall to run on change."

And whom should we blame that on?? Try Bill Clinton and his NAFTA. Do you remember the warnings of Ross Perot?? He said we would hear the "giant sucking sound" as jobs fled to other countries after those treaties came into effect.

Posted by: Willy | September 15, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Jonah Goldberg...awwww,ha,ha,ha....Jonah Goldberg,OMG...awwww,ha,ha,ha....go back to Israel and stay in Israel...

Posted by: Lance Newell | September 15, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

THE compulsory DRAFT for men under 36 is coming in 2009.
Ask McCain for straight talk on that fact.
HE's for it.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama violated the very same Logan Act when he basically told the Iraqi Prime minister that he should hold off negotiating withdrawal of US troops until after the election as the current administration was incompetent. Do you want him jailed as well, or is it ok for a Senator on a photo op tour to negotiate with foreign leaders as long as he has a D next to his name? Actually jailing them both would be a great idea as the were both nominated by the media and not the people. It'll give us a chance to start over fresh.

Posted by: Bat | September 15, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is willing to vote for McThuselah and Moosehead after the nonsense of the last 8 years by all means vote this country into oblivion. Maybe this country has to be turned into complete ash before you morons understand the the Republican party ain't what it used to be. It's a snarling, racist, oil hungry rabble of buffoons. Drill baby drill your way to hell you morons.

Posted by: I know what the Bush Doctrine is | September 15, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

~~~~~~BUSH/CHENNEY 2008~~~~~~~

we are waiting, he he he he he he !!!!!!

Posted by: Dickie & Georgie | September 15, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

McCain=another old out of touch republican who likes war and wants to give tax breaks to his wealthy pals, clings to old ideas cuz it's what he knows and is comfortable with.
Obama=fresh ideas such as technologies of the future rather than the past, respectable diplomacy, lower taxes for 95% of the population, reduction in the deficit with the other 5%, his was a professor of constitutional law and Harvard Law grad, graduated at the top of his class, has a presidential stature, articulates himself presidentialy, has an engaging personality, impressive personal story of overcoming adversity and excelling in academics and caring for his community, obvious commitment to his family, excellent selection for a spouse, consistent record of good decision making with regard to personal and community enrichment,

Posted by: Newsjunky42 | September 15, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Did McCain Violate The Logan Act AND the Hatch Act?!?

John McCain took a trip to south america—billed as official Congressional travel--with his two colleagues Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham. It’s been reported that prior to the trip, John McCain spoke to Colombian President Alvaro Uribe at around 4pm and Uribe gave him some highlights of the operation to spring the hostages. When the Senators had dinner with Uribe that night, they were briefed on the operation but none revealed it because they said it was “classified.”

When McCain was asked about the operation once the hostages were freed, he revealed the fact that he’d been briefed, and praised the operation.

Here’s the problem, there’s a law known as the Logan Act that reads:

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

The conversation with Uribe definitely qualifies as "correspondence or intercourse" and we have a "controversy" with the Colombian government because the United States has been on their back for years to get these hostages freed. To be sure, the trip itself was cleared by the US government, but that's different from State expressly allowing McCain to have a direct "classified” conversation with President Uribe about an ongoing controversy. If McCain was going to have private conversations with a foreign leader, the conversation itself would have to be cleared.

John McCain’s conversation with Uribe raises some serious questions that make more investigation necessary. Namely:

Was John McCain’s conversation with Uribe classified?
Did McCain have prior approval for this conversation?
Did McCain’s staff (or that of Liebermann’s or Graham’s) clear the content of the conversation with Uribe through the State Department?
Once McCain knew this information, did he—in good faith—make that information known to the State Department?
When asked about it, McCain’s aide reportedly said:

"I don't think that there is an established protocol" for such briefings, said a McCain aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity. " 'Protocol' is not a word I would associate with this."

Perhaps there isn’t protocol, but there are laws. And for someone who wants to have the top job of enforcing them, voters deserve to know the due diligence he did on this trip to ensure that he upheld the same laws that govern our diplomats.

Questions are also circulating about McCain’s recent trip to Canada . It too was billed as not being political but rather Senatorial. Therefore, he needs to act like a senator, and not as a presidential candidate. This is because according to the Hatch Act, US government resources and personnel cannot be used in support of political purposes. As the principal on the trip, McCain would have to adhere to these rules, and save the conversation about his campaign for his own plane, at his own events, and not those done on the taxpayer dime. However, in his remarks while in Canada, McCain repeatedly referred to his presidential campaign including in the trip’s headline speech.

WHAT A REPUBLICAN CRIMINAL!

Posted by: The ONLY Scott in the WORLD! | September 15, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

As I said, the only puch McCain will give , you the people is rental on all his properties. Excuse me I have to see my Doctor. Took VIAGr$# and have a H$%%on for 6hours. Dam what a time to be old. Think I need a new wife after 37 years. Glad you the people are so interested in Hispanics. God bless you Cuba/Mexico/America. You the people of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, God BESS you to.

Posted by: justadad55 | September 15, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Tony-
Read the post- from the National Review- Your candidate's hypocrisy is staggering- Obama claiming McCain wanted a 100 yr war as he negotiated a delay in US troop withdrawl with the Iraqi Foreign Minister - who is the source of the story. It's shameful.

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous- Once again you demonstrate for the readers of the Washington post your 2nd grade, probably underemployed intellect by posting your McCain/Hatch Act post in MY name, because you're ashamed to use your own. You're as shameful as the Naked Emperor who went to Iraq to PROLONG the war!

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National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
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In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Must admit, both parties lack substance, so it's up to the people of America. May your God bless you. Please get that ladies scratchy voice off the news. It's the same, the same, McCain.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 15, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

The only knock out punch Senator McCain will have is renting out one of his houses to You the people.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 15, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

yeah only clinton wasn't piloting the cole init u stupid sod DOD he owes us a a couple planes actually who knew he was a worse pilot then bush

Posted by: ruff | September 15, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Inaccurate and false characterization of the opponents plans and position and taking liberty with the truth is not the best campaign.Questioning a U.S.senators character,petriotizim and qualifications is also not good even to the eyes of the outside world considering the most powerful and influencial position about to be occupied.Negative and offensive ads are not helpful and reminds people of the 2000 Republican primaries.Stop running those insulting ads which my good friend Senator Orrin Hatch called ridiculous and Senator Kennedy called shameful and get back to the problems of the American people if at all you understand that times are tough and people are seriously hurting.To avoid those strong words of "lies"by five brilliant woman on friday"The View"which questions a "Straight talk" image,an honest fact check would be better.Enough of the "Community Organizer" and "War Hero" stuff which we already know,appriciate ,love and respect and get on with the hot topic in America today and the rest of the world which is the urgly state of U.S.economy which also affects the rest of the world,how to improve the U.S.relationship with the rest of the world and not War War War,healthcare,education,immigration and other important issues that concerns the ordinary people.This election should have nothing and i mean nothing to do with "gender"or"colour"and no mistake this time.Regan was not a community organiser but made it,Kennedy was not a war hero and also made it.To make or brake it is in yourhands.America and the rest of the world are watching.

Posted by: Don C | September 15, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Scott you should have just gone with the "dittos". Or perhaps copied and pasted your story from Fox. More lies and propaganda from the right.Why not spend some time talking up your candidates? Wouldn't have taken nearly as much time

Posted by: Tony | September 15, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

How out of touch Mcsame can be. He still believes the fundamentals of our economy are strong. If you are like jhon Mcain who has 9 houses and a net worth of more than 100 millions dollars, then you can feel free to say the same thing. People are losing their homes and their jobs, businesses are failing right and left, and this guys has been so detached from our realities that he has the gall to run on change. What is he going to change? He already agreed 100% with Bushism policies and plan on continue that trend. Only stupid people with no rational behavior will continue to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result. The Choice is clear. We must change course otherwise America are bound to become a third world country in just one short generation.

Posted by: Omidal | September 15, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Biden,
Obviosly the "blows" are not low enough to reach Obama because he is still standing in the gutter. But be assured, more are coming. McCain will deliver the knock out punch on November 4th!

Posted by: NO Experience Necessary | September 15, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

What a surprise and a shock. A Vice Presidential candidate attacks the other party's Presidential candidate.

Unfortunately, we do not know who really prepared and wrote Biden's comments, since he has admitted to plagiarizing them before.

Before Biden was selected as the mentor to help an unqualified Obama run for the Presidency, Biden praised McCain as a good, competent and decent man. Now that he is running on the Democratic ticket, he becomes one more lying and meanspirited Democrat.

Shock? Suprise?

I guess BIDEN is not the man he USED to be!

Posted by: rljmsilver | September 15, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain owes us a plane, then Bill Clinton should pay to have the USS COLE copied and built from scratch.

Posted by: DOD | September 15, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Scott is a one issue voter: The Logan Act!

LOL - too funny!

Posted by: Sally | September 15, 2008 5:54 PM
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No Sally- Hypocrisy-
Claiming McCain wanted a 100 year war, Obama went to Iraq and negotiated a DELAYED exit for our troops!
How can that Not bother you Sally?

And Corn Ethanol...

And the his opposition to the Infant Protection Act...

And Tony Rezko....

And Bill Ayres...


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National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain is bootylicious. That is all.

Posted by: justaddwater | September 15, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

WHY would America REWARD complete Republican FAILURE ?

Why ? Why would we ?

Never mind your tribal spin ! The GOP IS to blame for this god-damned mess. Deregulation in the financial sectors have led to this mess. As for the 'housing crisis' - see Bush speech 5 years ago about how deregulation has led to great gains in home ownership... Yes- and now home foreclosure. Great Job!

Posted by: PulSamsara | September 15, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Never forget that Republicans are largely responsible for the current banking deregulation and for the lose regulations that have fostered a complete lack of oversight on a formerly sound banking system. Republicans set up the "fox guarding the henhouse" scenario allowing the greedy to profit and the taxpayers to get stuck with a multi-billion dollar tab. Oh, one more economic tidbit, McCain is pushing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest which has contributed mightly to the current financial disaster. Do not allow McCain, who is incompetent in economics and who is willing to wage war in Iraq for a hundred years, to become President!

Posted by: Tom in Alabama | September 15, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain wallows in the mud and blames Obama for making him do it. Republicans, the advocates for personal responsibility for the other guy, at least if he is a Democrat.

Posted by: david J | September 15, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama is dangerous and under a fully Democratic majority, with a far left liberal president, voter fraud and the ease of fixing elections will see that Republicans are out of office permanently. The link below tells the Obama story on voter fraud with a short easy read....
http://www.examiner.com/x-852-Atlanta-Civics-Examiner

Posted by: Laura | September 15, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

He is not "McSame" he's MCWorse!!!!!!!!! much, much, much, much worse. He doesn't care about the economy - it doesn't effect him, he's a multi-millionaire flying around on a private campaign jet. He cares about fighting. Listen to his "stand up and Fight, Fight, Fight, Fight , Fight speech" Anyone care to venture what he means by fight? God help the economy if we have to "fight" any further.

Palin SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME! She doesn't appear to care about the economy either, like a spoiled child running to daddy, she hires lobbyist to go to Washington to get working peoples tax dollars without regard for the wisdom of her purchases and then casting the blame on others when the foolishness was pointed out. Governor Palin - Congress did NOT try to force a "bridge to nowhere" upon your state - you asked them for it!!

She exhibits ZERO interest in diplomacy (despite the fact that you can even see Russia from her state). Seriously folks, if you care about the economy then you need to care about diplomacy and our foreign policy. Did she think or just "not blink" when she went on national television and casually spoke of the real possibility of war with 3 nuclear nations.
Russia - she said we can't blink in running to Georgia’s aid as a new Nato ally,
Pakistan - she's ok with repeated "incursions" into a sovereign nation despite their objections
Iran - she said 3 times that if Israel needs to attack Iran she's ok with it
WE CANNOT AFFORD A WORLD WAR!

Read the news - Russia is conducting naval exercises with Venezuela in the Caribbean right now, they arrived shortly after her interview - don't recall them normally doing that..... Pakistan has just ousted their friendly with Americans Mussarif leadership.

and to ALL the candidates - enough with the "barnyard politics" - start acting like dignitaries worthy of the lofty office you pursue.


Posted by: jenny | September 15, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

You can put lipstick on a George W. Bush, but it's still a miserable failure.

Posted by: W stands for Worst | September 15, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Lets remember that the only real lies levied so far this campaign have been directed toward Palin.....and they are back-firing awfully.

Please dont follow the Obama line ad just say "the other sides lies"

If they were lies they would be countered one by one so that people could be clear on the truth....

So please be specific on the Lies so the average voter can work out the truth.

Posted by: Addison | September 15, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

But Palin has 1.5 years of exec experience in the governorship making her the best qualified. --- really!! well that logic makes Obama the most qualified (over McCain, Palin and Biden) to handle the economy since he has experience working for a major Wall Street Brokerage. (If only the dems would commit to sell any argument like the GOP).

Posted by: case | September 15, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Before I end, If I can, A Pit-bull can be a pussy, no offense, like a grand ma, or grandpa. So it's the owners whom have a Pit-bull issue. Not that great, any more than Maverick. I owned one, didn't like it. And to end, I would love to see Alaska if I could afford it and am sure the people are great.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 15, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else noticed that John McCain has only worked for the United States government his entire life? The government paid for his education, paid him while he was in the service, then paid him for thirty useless years in congress.
He finished fifth from the bottom in the AF academy, wrecked his plane in the airforce, told dirty jokes and chewed out his cohorts in dirty mouth language as a congressman. This was while he was cheating on his wife. What a waste of money. No wonder congress has such a low approval rating.

What could this guy possibly know about the private sector economy?

Posted by: Politicus | September 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else noticed that John McCain has only worked for the United States government his entire life? The government paid for his education, paid him while he was in the service, then paid him for thirty useless years in congress.
He finished fifth from the bottom in the AF academy, wrecked his plane in the airforce, told dirty jokes and chewed out his cohorts in dirty mouth language as a congressman. This was while he was cheating on his wife. What a waste of money. No wonder congress has such a low approval rating.

What could this guy possibly know about the private sector economy?

Posted by: Politicus | September 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Before I end, If I can, A Pit-bull can be a pussy, no offense, like a grand ma, or grandpa. So it's the owners whom have a Pit-bull issue. Not that great, any more than Maverick. I owned one, didn't like it. And to end, I would love to see Alaska if I could afford it and am sure the people are great.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Before I end, If I can, A Pit-bull can be a pussy, no offense, like a grand ma, or grandpa. So it's the owners whom have a Pit-bull issue. Not that great, any more than Maverick. I owned one, didn't like it. And to end, I would love to see Alaska if I could afford it and am sure the people are great.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Before I end, If I can, A Pit-bull can be a pussy, no offense, like a grand ma, or grandpa. So it's the owners whom have a Pit-bull issue. Not that great, any more than Maverick. I owned one, didn't like it. And to end, I would love to see Alaska if I could afford it and am sure the people are great.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

To "I might be a redneck"
Are you still taking baby formula?

Posted by: Politicus | September 15, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Richard 3:56 good to hear from you again.
You say "Greenspan set the table for the banks to conduct all this shaky lending." You say this is "well known." Really? Who else knows this? I say Greenspan interviewed yesterday on ABC and they didn't even ask anything about that? Can you believe it? May I ask you, oh great possessor of infinite wisdom, how he did that? Was it a change in federal regulation? I didn't think the fed could do that.

You say I am ignorant of the facts, so I am trying to find out what the facts are. Do you know?

Posted by: Politicus | September 15, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

No, she can not stay. We kill seals, allow abortion, and can clean our government out in but a few moths. Maverick not needed. All Real, We the people are.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Not Right -

Haven't you noticed? We're gettin' our groceries from China now. Love that baby formula.

You city boys had better get to know a farmer real soon.

Governor Palin might be fit for country living but I'd rather have Joe Biden behind the VP desk.

Posted by: I Might Be a Redneck | September 15, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse


It's real easy, look up justad55+.
I told all of you. Just because I am a Canadian, I do not live in an Igloo, nor do I skin deer.
Vote Republican again and you will get what you asked for.
Your Falling my American Friends, and I know many. May your God Bless you. More trouble is coming, but not good.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 5:13 PM

Also, Vp Palin talking to the American Mom and Pop shops, back bone of America. When did her family, all her family actually get the funds to become as you say, the back bone Mom and Pop of America?? Possibly after she was Elected.
Also have an old 50's Buffalo parka our Police use to wear. I will give it to Palin and the Dude when they high trail it back to Alaska. Canada is cold. I do have some sympathy, Hey, Im from Canada?

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Pit bulls are the most frequently abandoned species of dog.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20080428/NEWS/465245883

Their owners don't want to keep them. Sarah Palin thinks that if you put lipstick on them people will stop seeing them as pit bulls. It does not work that way, mam.

Posted by: Delmar | September 15, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

war hero??? he owes the US a plane! and how much info did he give up while imprisoned! war hero hes as much a war hero as bush u owe us 70 million plus interest McShame, Mclame whatever your name is loser

Posted by: ruff | September 15, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

None of the candidates you morons speak of, and condone are right for this contry.

Posted by: arty | September 15, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

You idiots.

Get a life!

Posted by: Arty | September 15, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

not right

You are an impostor and a witch, if not the devil. You get in the dark because you are evil and live in the dark because you're hateful. John McCain and Sarah Palin are for you because you see them as kindred spirits

Posted by: U R Wrong | September 15, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Washington Post Readers Are a bunch of Loosers. Get a life, please!

Posted by: Arty | September 15, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Morning routine: Steve Schmidt wipes McCain's assss, then tells him what his positions are. McCain no longer has any of his own positions. Soon Schmidt will be putting Depends on McCain throughout the day.

Posted by: I'mJohnMcCainWhere'sMyCane? | September 15, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Sarah Palin is a diversion to distract us from what has actually be going on these past eight years. Those of you who are even considering her, consider this:

If you would have asked her six months ago if she would be nominated for the position of VP of the US, she would have laughed at you. How ready can she possibly be?

Now the GOP are continually grooming her so that she seems ready enough to you. She has five kids - one just headed off to Iraq (how distracting is that?, one is pregnant (how distracting is that?), the same one is making wedding plans (oh my, how distracting is that!), another one is a young infant (how distracting is that), and that same infant has a disability (how distracting is that)?

She is being used to manipulate us, and it's time to wake up! Consider the following article:

This is a very interesting read concerning McCain's choice of Palin and Republican manipulation from an unusual and surprising religious perspective. I highly recommend checking it out:

http://www.newsflavor.com/Opinions/McCain-Hijacks-Christianity-Via-Palin.240929

Posted by: LaRae | September 15, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Addison wrote - "McCain/Palin have the much more straight forward job of showing who these people are and what their records are......"

Yes. And they have proven that by lying shamelessly ! Facts and decency don't bother mcCain/palin anymore. They are now fully wedded to sleaze-ball politics, which they outrageously call "Change" .


Posted by: fido | September 15, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Scott -- stop double-posting dreck written by Johah Goldberg, protege of Supreme Buffoon Bill Kristol.

Posted by: Scott'sAFreakin'Moron | September 15, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Is he still here?

Posted by: Kate | September 15, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

ex-Republican -- you are wrong. This country has enough stupid people to keep electing idiots ad infinitum.

Posted by: LastStraw | September 15, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
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In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Haggis MacBagPipe -- that's pretty close. Any more of this, and some of us are going to come up and become Canadian. Might be the only way to get rid of the idiots. What the fuuck good is a great constitution if it's disregarded?

Posted by: Oh Canada! | September 15, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Stop picking on Julia Alton. She's apparently even more clueless than I am. It's not fair to pick on people who have a disadvantage. So knock it off, or I'll kick your assss. Yours truly, Sarah Palin.

Posted by: WhereTheFuuckIsMyLipstick? | September 15, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight.....the Republicans suspended Your Bill of Rights under the Patriot Act, your govt can arrest anyone they please, whenever they wish , and suspend Habeas Corpus , all while operating a moral sore like Guantanamo Bay , and people Consider re-electing this bunch of idiots!!! Makes me glad I'm a Canadian.....

Posted by: Haggis MacBagPipe | September 15, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

In a twisted sort of way I almost hope that McCain does win this election because four more years of Bush/McCain failed policies would for all intents and purposes end the Republican Party as we know it today. They would become the 4th party gadflies that they deserve to be.

For all of you idiots in economic downtrodden states like Ohio, Pa and Michigan, you'll deserve what you get if you are actually stupid enough to vote for John McBush and Caribou Barbie..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2IrsU1Cg

Posted by: ex-Republican | September 15, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin: Unstable and Unable!

Posted by: Dubya stands for Worst | September 15, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Julia Alton wrote: "Why is the media so bias towards Obama? There is something very wrong in our society when the media selects a candidate as a favorite. Have we not learned from history where such blind worship leads? The dictators Hitler, Mussolini, Kim Jong Il all began as a cult of personality worship. The media for these dictators were slanted during their rise and then controlled after they assumed power."

Julia: Can you read? Have you paid any attention at all? Obama has been criticized in the media just as much as McCain has been....the truth about this election is that Obama's campaign is about policy and the issues, whereas McCain's is about personality and winning through negative advertisements. Are you seriously comparing Obama to Hitler? What a joke! Tell me one way in which Obama is like Hitler--outside of his charisma and ability to mobilize people. Do you really believe that Obama supports mass genocide and believes in racial purity/superiority? Or that, like Kim Jong Il, his end goal is to control the media so he can begin a dictatorship? People like you, who think in such illogical ways, should not be allowed to vote....and please, blind worship? Can you say "Christian conservatives" who have blind faith in all Republican candidates? Learn how to read news from multiple sources, and how to form a cohesive and legitimate claim before you subject your opinions to the public.

Posted by: holy cow | September 15, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Also, pit bulls are smarter and not as biitchy.

Posted by: HockeyMomSarah | September 15, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Charlie didn't ask Sarah about the pit bull doctrine, the pig doctrine, or the hockey mom doctrine. She might have had a prayer at answering.

Posted by: Northern EXPOSURE | September 15, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It's reall easy, look up justad55+.
I told all of you. Just because I am a Canadian, I do not live in an Igloo, nor do I skin deer.
Vote Republican again and you will get what you asked for.
Your Falling my American Freinds, and I know many. May your God Bless you. More touble is comming.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

McShady is at it again with his lying. Loose lips must down airplanes too. lol Where's Carribou Barbie to save the day? lol
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"Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." -- The President of the United States of America - George Bush...

Posted by: bushed | September 15, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

MARGINAL McCAIN

The intellectual group called the Republican Party have just picked the most over hyped marginal candidates in the history of this country.

To start McCain was a marginal student at Annapolis who was rated fifth from the BOTTOM of his class of 899.

As a pilot, McCain was marginal and crashed two planes while trying to learn how to become a marginal aviator.

As an accomplished Naval Officer the Navy didn’t think enough of him to give him a combat command even with the political pull of Admiral daddy.

As a family man he committed adultery on his ailing first wife to chase after Cindy Hensley. The Hensley family wasn’t that impressed with McCain and didn’t trust him enough to marry their daughter with out a prenuptial agreement.

McCain has successfully used his new wife’s money to catapult him into national politics. Using her corporate jet to fly around on, and her money to provide him with numerous homes. While showing his true character by telling sexist jokes about how women would enjoy being raped by a big ape and then referring to his wife in front of friends and associates as a dumb c**t.

As a hypocrite McCain is not marginal. He is a full bore hypocrite talking about “Country First” while voting against increasing veteran benefits many times over. And now his latest MARGINAL decision to pick a running mate that is even less qualified than himself. That is McCain’s idea of “Country First”.

Mr. WONDERFUL has just proven to be really MARGINAL AFTER ALL.

Posted by: NamVet70 | September 15, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Just remember most poles are taken via landline. And the younger, pro-Obama crowds do not have landlines!

Posted by: Mikey | September 15, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Putin must be laughing his assss off at the prospect of Palin as VP and Pres when Grandpa John kicks the bucket. He's probably already getting ready to take Alaska.

Posted by: SarahThePitBullPig | September 15, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a complainer and Biden is the Face of Partisan politics....

Americans want a leader and bipartisan action on the major issues...

Obama has a very very poor message...
"McCain is George Bush"
"Palin is George Bush"
He has been repeating this over and over trying to convince people that this is true.
Well they have made things pretty easy for the other side.

"Barack Obama is Barack Obama"
"Joe Biden is Joe Biden"

McCain/Palin have the much more straight forward job of showing who these people are and what their records are......

people aren't buying Obama and his facade has worn off......he a straight-up IVY league, condescending, Hard Core Liberal from Chicago. And Biden is a dry divisive liberal from the Past.

please dont vote for them....we need cooperation and McCain WILL nominate Dems in his cabinet.

Posted by: Addison | September 15, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Julie Alton (3:52 pm) is a perfect example of what it means to stick your head in the sand and defend your "beliefs" no matter what the outcome. She truly believes the nonsense she spouts - I can practically hear the "clinging" in her typed words. It is people like her that are going to make it difficult for Obama to win the election. As long as the McCain campaign keeps whining about the "leftist media" the Julie Altons of this nation are going to fight against anything that comes out in Obama's defense or McCain's criticism. Regardless of actual fact, (which is what most media outlets really do try and get across) she will continue to believe things like "Drill Here, Drill Now" are good ideas. If you repeat something enough in a big enough crowd, the crowd starts to believe it... even if a corrupt female politician is the one spouting it.

Posted by: NeldaDee | September 15, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Russia,

If you're not careful we'll borrow some money from China and come kick your ASS!

Love, Sarah

Posted by: Sarah | September 15, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Go now, Don't look back they've drawn the line,
move on, Its no good to go back in time,
I'll never find another vp like you,
for happy endings it takes two,
with fire and ice, a dream won't come true.

Sarah, Sarah storms are brewing in their eyes,
Sarah, Sarah no time is a good time for goodbyes

Danger, in the political game when the stakes are high,
branded, my heart was branded while my senses stood still,
I'll never find another VP like you, for happy endings it takes two,
with lipstick and ice, our dream won't come true.

Sarah, Sarah storms are brewing in their eyes
Sarah, Sarah no time is a good time for goodbyes

Hey, Sarah, Love me like no running mate has ever loved me before,
hey, Sarah, it hurt me nothing ever hurt me more.

Hey, Sarah,
Sarah,
Hey, Sarah the way nothing has hurt me before

I'll never find another VP like you,
with lipstick and ice, our dream won't come true

Sarah, Sarah no time is a good time for
Sarah, Sarah storms are brewing in their eyes
Sarah, Sarah no time is good time for goodbyes
Sarah, Sarah storms are brewing in their eyes
Sarah, Sarah no time is a good time
no-oh-no-oh-no no-Sarah
why did it, why did it, why did it all fall apart?

Posted by: Ken Duncan | September 15, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Monica, good point. Adultery is an offense for which a military man can be court marshalled.

Posted by: AdulterersForMcCain | September 15, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

the comment wasn't about who had sex with who is was that the president of the U.S.A lied to the world about more then one thing.

Posted by: hmmm | September 15, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the quote "U.S. Sen. Barack Obama expressed regret late Friday for his 2005 land purchase from now-indicted political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko in a deal that enlarged the senator's yard. "I consider this a mistake on my part and I regret it," Obama told the Chicago Sun-Times in an exclusive and revealing question-and-answer exchange about the transaction."


If Obama only regrets things when he's caught. He regrets his Mentor's negative opinions on whites and on American's. He regrets his relationship with his friend and finacial parter Rezko the Syrian (who helped him obtain a fabulous million$ plus mansion when he had no financing) was indited. Get Real Obama you are a hypocrite! $$ dealing self promoting empty shirt!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama coming back in the polls is no surprise. Intelligent people are realizing that Sarah is a sham and was chosen because she's a female George Bush, only dumber and more conservative (apparently that's possible).

Posted by: SarahGiveJohnSomeOrHe'llDumpYou | September 15, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Did McCain Violate The Logan Act AND the Hatch Act?!?

John McCain took the trip south—billed as official Congressional travel--with his two colleagues Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham. It’s been reported that prior to the trip, John McCain spoke to Colombian President Alvaro Uribe at around 4pm and Uribe gave him some highlights of the operation to spring the hostages. When the Senators had dinner with Uribe that night, they were briefed on the operation but none revealed it because they said it was “classified.”

When McCain was asked about the operation once the hostages were freed, he revealed the fact that he’d been briefed, and praised the operation.

Here’s the problem, there’s a law known as the Logan Act that reads:

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

The conversation with Uribe definitely qualifies as "correspondence or intercourse" and we have a "controversy" with the Colombian government because the United States has been on their back for years to get these hostages freed. To be sure, the trip itself was cleared by the US government, but that's different from State expressly allowing McCain to have a direct "classified” conversation with President Uribe about an ongoing controversy. If McCain was going to have private conversations with a foreign leader, the conversation itself would have to be cleared.

John McCain’s conversation with Uribe raises some serious questions that make more investigation necessary. Namely:

Was John McCain’s conversation with Uribe classified?
Did McCain have prior approval for this conversation?
Did McCain’s staff (or that of Liebermann’s or Graham’s) clear the content of the conversation with Uribe through the State Department?
Once McCain knew this information, did he—in good faith—make that information known to the State Department?
When asked about it, McCain’s aide reportedly said:

"I don't think that there is an established protocol" for such briefings, said a McCain aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity. " 'Protocol' is not a word I would associate with this."

Perhaps there isn’t protocol, but there are laws. And for someone who wants to have the top job of enforcing them, voters deserve to know the due diligence he did on this trip to ensure that he upheld the same laws that govern our diplomats.

Questions are also circulating about McCain’s recent trip to Canada . It too was billed as not being political but rather Senatorial. Therefore, he needs to act like a senator, and not as a presidential candidate. This is because according to the Hatch Act, US government resources and personnel cannot be used in support of political purposes. As the principal on the trip, McCain would have to adhere to these rules, and save the conversation about his campaign for his own plane, at his own events, and not those done on the taxpayer dime. However, in his remarks while in Canada, McCain repeatedly referred to his presidential campaign including in the trip’s headline speech.

WHAT A REPUBLICAN CRIMINAL!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

just because some of us live in the country witch is far better a way of life then in the big city you think we are all stupid.You guys get up and go to the conner and get your cup of mo jo and off to the office witch most don't even open tell 10:00 am while we get up at dark and go out in the fields and work tell dark to put that food on your table and you call us stupid. maybe we should stop working and see who the stupid people are.

Posted by: not right | September 15, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for bringing up Bill.

I get to mention again that John McCain committed adultery while he was a serving Naval Officer.

That's a crime folks.

If we impeach Presidents for having extra marital sex while in the service of their country, then McCain is not legally qualified to serve.

Chew on that for a while.

Posted by: Monica | September 15, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I heard a sound coming from the toilet. It was my defecation speaking. It said, "John McCain and Sarah Palin are fine people and should be elected." I replied, "don't give me that sh_t. Anyway, how do you know this." "Very simple, it replied, ALL SH_T SMELLS THE SAME!"

Posted by: John&SarahTheTwoTerdsWeNeed | September 15, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The latest polls indicate that Obama might be recovering from the McCain bounce as he leads BIG in Iowa and has gained 6% in Virginia to take a lead outside of the MoE: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/09/15/poll-watch-obama-leads-in-virginia-and-iowa-mccain-leads-in-ohio/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Enough is Enough!

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state, which they have no problem using against fellow citizens!

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!

Posted by: Franky | September 15, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Robert Campbell in his post today, talks about the Democrat party. Robert, Robert do you support the Republic party? Do you wish to wear on your sleeve, your disrespect for the party you oppose--huh Campy? In case you forgot what you were taught in 6th grade social studies class, the two major parties in the US are the DEMOCRATIC party and the REPUBLICAN party. The Democratic party is the party that cares about people. The Republican party is the party that cares about business and is excellent at lying to people. The Democrats tax and spend. The Republicans borrow and spend more. The Democrats have morals. The Republicans have no morals, and they claim to have high, unassailable morals. Crooked Democrats take unauthorized trips at taxpayer expense. Crooked Republicans steal millions. Lying Democrats say black is dark gray. Lying Republicans say black is bright white. Democrats are rarely hypocrites. Republicans are colossal hypocrites. And, Campy -- God bless you, and God bless America. As George Carlin said, I always wonder if that's a request, if that's a demand, if that's a wish...I would say, it is clearly not a matter of fact.

Posted by: Ed Sommers | September 15, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!
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Dude...Scott...you're right. That's why Bush just announced that the war is over and all American troops will be home by Christmas.

Or was it that we finally got Osama Bin Laden?

Or was it that the economy is fundamentally sound?

I forget.

Posted by: Doofus | September 15, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

To those Barrack & Biden supporters, your wishful thinking will be crushed once for all in November, by now, Americans are smart enough to tell who is more qualified and honest leader.

Posted by: Larry Lee | September 15, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I dont like Obama or McCain this November Ill be writing in Hillary or Huckabee!! Im signing the pledge to skip 08, Ive already put up a Huckabee 2012 sign in my yard.
http://www.skip08.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

rural americans, you're delusional. Stay on the farm.

Posted by: onestJohn | September 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

there is a difference he was the president of the united state our leader. when he lied in front of the whole world. He wasn't just running for president.There is a big difference.He got caught and didn't know what to do.

Posted by: nope | September 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

This stuff bothers us:
Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - ***Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract. Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

Sources in December told the Chicago Sun-Times the feds are investigating Rezko's dealings in Iraq. Aiham Alsammarae, who lives in the Chicago area and was a college classmate of Rezko, is a dual U.S.-Iraqi citizen. He left his post as Iraq's electricity minister in May 2005, about a month after Companion got the contract. Companion's contract called for it to fly 150 Iraqis to the United States for police-type training. Among the subjects: how to shoot AK-47 rifles.

Frawley, 56, was a Chicago cop for seven months in 1977. He has owned businesses that sell resins to make plastic bags. He is a friend of Rezko's former business partner Daniel Mahru, an attorney for Companion when it got the Iraqi contract. Frawley and Rezko owned Companion, according to two sources. Frawley wants U.S. officials to persuade the Iraqi government to honor the contract he signed on April 18, 2005, when Aiham Alsammarae ran Iraq's electricity agency.

More:
***Companion Security lists its headquarters as a small house in La Grange that was the site of a bizarre burglary last year.
It's the home of Companion owner Daniel T. Frawley's sister, Maureen Frawley, a Forest Park police officer. She claimed someone broke in on April 27, 2006, and stole $100,000 in cash from her laundry room and three guns.
She told police the money belonged to her older brother, Daniel. He "became defensive about questions relating to when, where and how he obtained the money,'' according to a La Grange police report. He told police he had withdrawn the money - $100 bills in bundles of $5,000 - from a Chicago bank, and his sister was supposed to have put the cash in a safe-deposit box. Four days later, Maureen Frawley reported that the money and guns weren't missing any more. She told police someone rang her doorbell, and when she answered, the cash and guns were on her porch, but no one was there.
When police arrived, the money was gone again. Maureen Frawley told officers her brother had taken it to his lawyer, George E. Weaver. Weaver told police the money had been "legally obtained by Daniel Frawley through real-estate transactions.''


Chicago Media, responsible and politically aware list Antoin Rezco as a "contributer to Obama's Presidential campaign". In fact the relationship is somewhat more involved than that. This exccerpt is from an article I wrote for Associated Content some months ago:

In June, 2005, Barack Obama and Antoin "Tony" Rezko purchased adjoining parcels of land in Kenwood, IL. The Junior Senator from Illinois paid $1.65 million for a Georgian Revival Mansion, $300,000 less than the asking price. On the same day, Tony Rezko paid $625,000 for the adjacent undeveloped lot. In July, 2006, in an effort to increase the size of his side-yard, and for the purpose of building a fence, Barack Obama paid Rezko $104,500 for a ten foot wide strip of his land. Political fundraiser Antoin Rezko in under indictment for seeking kick-backs from firms. He is known as a promoter of gambling interests. Obama has steadfastly voted against gambling concerns. Obama and Rezko have been friends for several years, and have occasionally dined together in a foursome, with their wives.

From The Chicago Sun Times:
November 5, 2006
BY DAVE MCKINNEY AND CHRIS FUSCO Staff Reporters Contributing: Mark Brown
U.S. Sen. Barack Obama expressed regret late Friday for his 2005 land purchase from now-indicted political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko in a deal that enlarged the senator's yard. "I consider this a mistake on my part and I regret it," Obama told the Chicago Sun-Times in an exclusive and revealing question-and-answer exchange about the transaction.


Posted by: rural americans | September 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

To "rural americans" poster:

Thanks for the great laugh! LOL LOL LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse


The economy is melting down, the US national debt is increasing, and even Alan Greenspan says the McCain plan is unrealistic. And people would vote for him why exactly? How is it that him picking an unqualified 1st term governor of a small state is convincing people to vote McCain?

http://palincounter.blogspot.com/

Posted by: billthomson | September 15, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Bottom Line:

John McCain for all his cantankerousness is by far, more honest than Obama.

Palin is, for all her disarming demeanor, is a driven public servant, with an ethical profile to live for.


Posted by: rural americans | September 15, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

the dem's already have Mccain getting a divorce and Palin too.. Grow up you know what he meant by that.What you people have to make things up as you go along. So what he said that he meant as a partner in work. Big deal he got a divorce thousands of people have.Dem's get divorced too like it or not.

Posted by: OMy | September 15, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

What did John McCain say to Bill Clinton? I'm having dinner with soulmate Sarah tonight, can I borrow your cigar?

Posted by: John&SarahSittin'InATree | September 15, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

funny -- the difference is Clinton lied about things having nothing to do with real issues. John & Sarah are lying about issues.

Posted by: RepublicanLyingLiar | September 15, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

OK we will quit mentioning her. The hockey mom, "Oh I’m just a hockey mom from Alaska," and then she’s the PRESIDENT, and she’s facing down Vladamir Putin. Well Hockey mom this is not a game, and Alaska although a beautiful wildnerness area is not in the game. Putin just to name one international leader is a trained KGB agent that by look alone could melt you in your tracks. Go back to Alaska and rock your baby and grand baby, while you can. You are not even close to being up to the task to be VP not to mention President. The gracious thing to do would be to drop out now.

Posted by: A Crowley | September 15, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Funny how you all blame rep for the worlds troubles and how dem's can take care of it. That rep lies? Hmm I can remember Clinton a dem lied to the whole world.. I did not have sex with that women. I took a hit of a joint and did not in hale..lol you have to inhale to take a hit off a joint. So don't make dem's sound like they are goodie to shoes because rep and dem's both lie and matter of fact everyone has lied sometime in their life's they just might not have gotten caught.

Posted by: funny | September 15, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

CindyIllDumpYouTooOnceIHaveSarah

Huh? I'm not irked at you in the least! I love all these postings. The political season is my favorite season.

Posted by: Aretha
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Cindy, you are on target!! McCain has already informed the ENTIRE WORLD that Sarah Palin "IS MY PARTNER AND MY SOULMATE"!! Where does that leave Cindy?? Guess she is no longer McCain's partner and soulmate, but another Mrs John McCain being thrown under the bus for a younger female. AT least emotionally!! McCain spends more time staring at Sarah's butt than he does looking at his wife!!

Posted by: OBSERVANT | September 15, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Roberts -- A Conservative by any other name is still a Conservative. True - the Conservatives used the Democratic Party to do their dirty work for many years. But after Kennedy and Johnson sent troops to Alabama and Arkansas, the Conservatives found a new home in the Republican party. All of the chief Conservatives jumped ship to the Republican party.

The party of liberal Lincoln then became the party of Conservatives. Klansmen, vote suppressors, and other Conservatives then became Republicans. Jessie Helms the guy who holds the record for the longest filibuster in Senate history, against the the Voting Rights Act, became a Republican and remained a Republican until he died.

The Republicans are now the party of Conservatives. Democrats ARE the authors and activists of all of the policies you list. But, Conservatives are the culprits and as Johnson said when he backed the Voting Rights Act, they switched parties rather than do what was right.

Same policies, different parties. The Republican is now the Party of Conservatives.

Posted by: DougH1 | September 15, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is from royalty. His family were the Kings and Queens of Luaoland in the west of Kenya before the bloodthirty colonialists oppressed the native Africans and sold them into slavery.

Senator Obama is a direct male blood-line descendant of King Uwabe of Obama and his wife Queen Malika of Nabutu.

Arise, Prince Barack of Obama and claim your true destiny!

Prince Barack of Obama for President '08

Posted by: Kenisha Williams | September 15, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Jonah Golberg is a freakin' Republican hack. He works for the National Review!

Posted by: MoreRepublicanLies | September 15, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Would everyone stop mentioning McCain's running mates name, she doesn't deserve to even be on the cover of tabloids. The more we try and analyze her, the more attention we are giving her. Let her lack of any significant experience speak for itself. Id rather see an add of her with a plastic beauty queen crown stradleing a tragically oil covered moose praying to the bible for some theocratic Evangelical run America. Who needs a constitution when you can interpret the bible any way you want!

Posted by: RaeRae | September 15, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Julie Alton:

You said "Obama and his wife have a horrendous history of evil" - care to flesh that out with something specific, like - you know - a fact?

Of course, you also said "We have clearly become a society whose depth of thinking is equivalent to that of Britney Spears". And you prove your own point.

Posted by: Joel | September 15, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse


The Republicans are like an abusive spouse -- they beat the hell out of the country for four years and then promise to "reform" when the cops arrive. But as soon as the cops are gone, they're back to beating the hell out of the country for another four years.

Posted by: Paul Sunstone
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Paul what an appropriate and truthful analogy! And like many spouses, the repubs and some women want more of the same, again, and again, and yet again until they end up dead!! We, the people, must NOT let this happen to America!!

Posted by: NinaK | September 15, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin: A Bridge To Nowhere!

Posted by: Dubya stands for Worst | September 15, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

no one should worship any president. Maybe trust them or respect them but worship them? thats Gods place to be worshiped and if you worship a president then this country is in a lot of trouble.presidents are not Gods.

Posted by: wait | September 15, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener | September 15, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

In this campaign, Obama and now Biden, have been whimpering that the GOP was going to do everything from attack him because of his name and race to bring out Michele’s position regarding 'whitey"; none of which has happened.

As I recall, the lovely and charming Democrat party has given America
the Ku Klux Klan,
White Primaries,
Poll Taxes,
"voter literacy tests",
Gerrymandering,
Union thugs intimidating voters,
the Daley machine,
the Prendergast machine,
Tammany Hall and ,
more recently, has registered tens of thousands of illegal aliens to vote.

That while the Republicans (you know, the ones the trolls call the hate mongers) have delivered (not promised) the two most important contributions to American Civil Rights in American history- 1) Lincoln 2)Overcoming filibuster after filibuster to make sure the civil rights act of 1964 actually got past over the fierce objections of ignorant Democrats.

This tribe of vacuous miscreants is unfit to govern a local little league much less the United States of America. Please spare us yourself righteous tripe about unfair elections and your mindless drivel about the virtues of Obama, the Democratic Party or its constituents.

Posted by: Robert Campbell | September 15, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

To Perry Bacon and WaPo webmaster:

"Anonymous" at 3:58 p.m. posted the same sick and threatening message on "The Fix" last night.

Someone, or some entity, is using WaPo blogs to threaten, harass and intimidate natioinal political candidates and their supporters.

Please send the post by "Anonymous" at 3:58 p.m. to WaPo legal counsel. The use of blogs like this to issue threats cannot stand. It is an extension of the extensive "site mobbing" that goes on at The Fix, and, from time to time, at The Trail.

And please forward a copy of the post to top editors at WaPo. The story: Who is using major media web sites to intimidate, harass and threaten political figures and their supporters?

If these posts are emnating from the public sector, the illegality is compounded.

Someone needs to investigate this, or these sites will continue to be exploited by those who believe in the reign of terror.

Posted by: scrivener | September 15, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

In this campaign, Obama and now Biden, have been whimpering that the GOP was going to do everything from attack him because of his name and race to bring out Michele’s position regarding 'whitey"; none of which has happened.

As I recall, the lovely and charming Democrat party has given America
the Ku Klux Klan,
White Primaries,
Poll Taxes,
"voter literacy tests",
Gerrymandering,
Union thugs intimidating voters,
the Daley machine,
the Prendergast machine,
Tammany Hall and ,
more recently, has registered tens of thousands of illegal aliens to vote.

That while the Republicans (you know, the ones the trolls call the hate mongers) have delivered (not promised) the two most important contributions to American Civil Rights in American history- 1) Lincoln 2)Overcoming filibuster after filibuster to make sure the civil rights act of 1964 actually got past over the fierce objections of ignorant Democrats.

This tribe of vacuous miscreants is unfit to govern a local little league much less the United States of America. Please spare us yourself righteous tripe about unfair elections and your mindless drivel about the virtues of Obama, the Democratic Party or its constituents.

Posted by: Robert Campbell | September 15, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What do you call Sarah Palin without a script from McCain's campaing people? SILENT.

Posted by: PoorDumbSarah | September 15, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The McCain/Zero Campaign today announced that 2.3 million people showed up in Boulder, Colorado to listen to the Zero read from a teleprompter and show the massive crowd her ATM Card -- proof that she is "ready to lead" when it comes to the economy.

I swear that many people showed up.

I wouldn't lie.

Posted by: Losercuda | September 15, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Julie Alton,

Get some rest. Sleep on it. You may want to tone down your rhetoric a bit; it's borderline paranoid/schizophrenic.

Posted by: Hungry Hippo, Mo | September 15, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

First the strategy of linking McCain to Bush didn't work. Now they're learning that this McCain is out of touch strategy is not sticking. Now they're attacking the honor of a war hero.

I think Obama needs a new strategist. How about talk to us about your plan to deal with this financial crisis? Or talk about ANY issue. Any issue at all.

Posted by: Kate
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Kate, and others of the same ilk, for your information, Senator Obama has, in fact been talking about "THE ISSUES" but looks like YOU HAVE NOT BEEN LISTENING. You are the kind of folks that hear what YOU WANT TO HEAR. It is McCain who has NOT BEEN TALKING ABOUT "THE ISSUES"....ALL McCain talks about is pork barrells and his military/POW time in Vietnam, AND besmirching Senator Obama with outright lies, slander, distortions, and slash-and burn-tactics which were used AGAINST McCain in 2000. Remember how the Bush campaign accused McCain of fathering a black baby?? McCain and Pail have NOTHING to offer us except more of the same of the past eight years. McCain VOTED 91% IN LOCKSTEP WITH GWB's policies for EIGHT YEARS and now HE wants to REFORM Washington??? HaHaHa, McCain helped create the mess 91% percent of the time during the Bush administration by supporting and voting for 91% of Bush' policies!! Palin was a member of a weird Pentacostal church for TWO DECADES. Pentacostal doctrines have been frowned upon for decades. They are EXTREMISTS as is Pailin. Palin continues to flaunt her lies, just this morning she was using the same garbage she used at the convention---ALL LIES!! And the Repigs just lap it up like pigs lap up the garbage they are fed!! Sad to see!! American women, please do not vote for Pain just because she wears panties/thongs and bras like we do. McCain and the repigs are trying to take what is equivalent to a junior high principal who got promoted to a high school superintendent and "promoting" her to the office of the Vice President of Harvard or Yale. That principal/superintendent is NOT qualified, nor is he/she READY to take on the responsibilites of vice president for such large educational institutions!! Likewise, that small-town mayor (5,500 people in Wasilla at the time she was mayor) and small-population governor (Alaska's population is the 4th smallest in the US) does not qualify, nor is she ready, to be VP of the US!! She claims she hs been to Ireland when in fact, her plan just landed there to refuel. Gee, guess I have been to San Juan Puerto Rico and make me an expert on Puerto Rico since my plane landed there for refueling when we flew from Barbados to Miami!! Oh by the way, that would mean I an expert on te State of Florida too since we just changed planes there to fly to New York!!

Posted by: NinaK | September 15, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

It seems that the washington post is doing a decent job of getting out the stunt and irresponsibly dangerous choice of Mr. McCains running mate. Other networks are still exercising deference, fearing the ratings I would suppose, banking on tactics to keep the thing going. Irresponsible. I believe if other networks stuck their neck out and endorsed some of the fact checking their ratings would go through the ceiling. On either side of the campaign if the spokespersons have no more to say than insubstantial bickering, it's anti-climatic for either case. Besides, for example, we all know tucker can't dance.

Posted by: Alohaakamai | September 15, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so we're not that much different, I'm just a little worse. Didn't you say I was trailer trash?

Posted by: CindyIllDumpYouTooOnceIHaveSarah | September 15, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

CindyIllDumpYouTooOnceIHaveSarah

Huh? I'm not irked at you in the least! I love all these postings. The political season is my favorite season.

Posted by: Aretha | September 15, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Civility is a principled behavior that should always be strived for; however, the people that would elect McCain after seeing the damage that Bush and the Republicans have done to this nation; the people who refuse to educate themselves on McCain's career of talking honorably while acting dishonorably time and time again; the people who would vote for an ignorant, arrogant person like Palin, after seeing what disasters have been inflicted by the ignorant, arrogant Bush--these are people that inspire righteous anger rather than a benign, tolerant forbearance and yet more futile attempts to make them see the light.


Those who can overlook the hellishness that these "Bushie" (now McCain) supporters have enabled over the last 8 years, and who can keep attempting to continue to have civil discourse with the close-minded are to be commended. As for me, I cannot.


Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | September 15, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Aretha, my actual dream is that things will turn out as Obama would like to see them. But's it's kinda fun to make up a story when someone goes after you. Anyway, I'm curious, what irked you about my posting, my being negative on McCain, or the username I used?

Posted by: CindyIllDumpYouTooOnceIHaveSarah | September 15, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Less jobs
More wars
McCain 08

Posted by: FC | September 15, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama has more knowledge on the economy in his pinky than McCain and Palin have in their whole bodies... times 100.

Here's the proof. Obama's 6 point financial industry policy proposal from March 2007.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSuT5zN2SPI&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/15/104152/710/660/599372

Posted by: JD | September 15, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Some of these user names are hilarious.

Posted by: ChocolateCandyPanties | September 15, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Carl,

Nobody believes your GOP nonsense at this point.

Obama knows more about the economy in his pinky finger than McCain does in his whole body times 100.

Posted by: JD | September 15, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

No matter how you slice it, Obama and Biden are head and shoulders over McCain and Plain with what they are proposing. No one is perfect, some are just better than others and there is no way I will vote for another greedy, self righteous Republican after what they have done to ruin America. Obama and Biden offer a completely new and different approach, my money is on them all the way. After what Bush and the Republicans have done the GOp and McCain don't deserve yet a THIRD chance, it would mean sure suicide for America.

Posted by: Democrats 08 | September 15, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

CindyIllDumpYouTooOnceIHaveSarah:

Actually I'm a Democrat. But even if the reverse were true, you'd still be a dreamer. LOL

Posted by: Aretha | September 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are like an abusive spouse -- they beat the hell out of the country for four years and then promise to "reform" when the cops arrive. But as soon as the cops are gone, they're back to beating the hell out of the country for another four years.

Posted by: Paul Sunstone | September 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"It amazes me how many of you are just certain that Palin would make this or that change on a Federal level, when she hasn't even ATTEMPTED to do so on her State level!"

yeah right, like we care. nobody who counts is saying anything like that. she's not likely to make any change as VP either, because she's ... the VP. she's there as window dressing, to counteract McCain's image as a pee-stained senior. the actual POINT, regardless of all the changes she never made and never will make, is that until she says anything intelligent, she appears to be a pretty dim bulb who won't contribute much to the intellectual rigor of the administration. she's the perfect combination of Dan Quayle, and DUFF MAN

Posted by: snaxalotl | September 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Dennis -- I couldn't agree more! Bush and Cheney should not be looking down on McCain.

Posted by: Drunk&AWOLinTexasNat'lGuard | September 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Politicus wrote: "Does anyone else think its ironic that the Republicans, who always decry federal regulation as interfering with the free market economy, are the first to cry for a federal bail-out when their Wall Street cronies get themselves into a bind?" Indeed the McCain is operated by a bunch of corporate lobbyists on behalf of, surprise!, the free market economy!

Posted by: Tao Zen | September 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

JD it's really a shame you don't live in Illinois so you could experience first hand how much Obama says versus how little he actually does.

Posted by: Carl | September 15, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Aretha -- I'm glad you liked that! Maybe I should become a Republican! Hey, I would vote for YOU, but not for Sarah. And based on your last post, you certainly sound too intelligent to be fooled by Sarah and John. Please tell me I'm right about that!

Posted by: CindyIllDumpYouTooOnceIHaveSarah | September 15, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

A draft dodger looking down on a war hero. Where is this world going to?

Posted by: Dennis | September 15, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 3:58 pm:

Your comment is highly offensive and has been reported to the Post.

Posted by: Wilma | September 15, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

For anyone who thinks Obama isn't experienced on the economy, they should watch the O'Reilly interview. O'Reilly actually admitted Obama was a formidable candidate after the fact.

And here's a 6 point, 30 minute speech Obama delivered in March 2008 on how to fix the problems in the financial markets. He forecasted all of this, and had a plan to deal with it 6 months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSuT5zN2SPI&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/15/104152/710/660/599372

All McCain has are Bush talking points and crooks and lobbyists like Phil Gramm... who actually created this mess in the late 90's via massive deregulation of the loan industry.

Watch the above video. There won't be a doubt in your mind that Obama knows infinitely more about the economy than McCain.

Infinitely more.

Posted by: JD | September 15, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Obama DID NOTHING to help remedy ILLINOIS SHAKY FINANCIAL SITUATION (one of the worst in the country).

We here in Illinois are well-aware that Obama is all rhetoric and no action - especially on controversial topics.

Posted by: OldChicago | September 15, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if it is true that the actual candidate that bumps off mutual opponent, he wins in November regardless of issues and poll numbers?

Apparently this mutual opponent is wealthy, exposed corruption within both parties and is presently targeted.

The question is how?

Will GOP use Guiliani-like mob ties like the way his protege ex-NYPD commissioner did and may be jailed up to 140 years? Or solicit Gotti, Jr. whose conspiracy and murder trial starts tomorrow? Is infamous VP Cheney behind the orchestration of this?

Will Dems use an OJ Simpson-like, black convict with jail time? Coincidentally his kidnap and robbery charge trial starts the same time too.

Will the parties employ the popular law enforcement practice of 'sweetheart exchange deals' where convict commit crime/murder in exchange for less jail time, conveniently covered up and real culprits not publicly suspected?

Should we worry about our personal safety too as we share this information? For example, should my husband worry about physical safety during his routine of jogging after work in the Hackensack/Bogota, NJ areas at 4pm today as our habits and plans are known in advanced via bugging device devices in both private and public places?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA: LISTEN TO JOE BIDEN IF YOU WANT TO WIN

• With 50 days remaining, only Hillary Clinton can provide the anti-Palin antidote -- as Barack's replacement running mate


The most telling comment of the new week came this morning when Barack Obama told ABC News' Chris Cuomo that he did not factor in "political" considerations when he chose Joe Biden over Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

Instead, Obama confessed, he chose the person he felt would best help him "govern."

Uh, quick -- let's rewind. Political considerations took a back seat? Did Obama forget that if he doesn't WIN the election, there will BE NO GOVERNING?

In one brief interview response, Obama underscored why his candidacy has stalled in the stretch. In his mind, he had already WON the election. It hardly matters whether this hubris is hard-wired into his personality, or is a defense mechanism that helps him press on against the odds.

The fact remains that by not putting POLITICS first -- the supreme importance of WINNING -- Obama may have ceded the election to McCain-Palin and to Republicans down-ticket as well. Had Obama chosen Hillary Clinton, it's likely that there would be no Sarah Palin candidacy; how could the novice governor compete with the real thing? With Hillary in the race, women rightly would have viewed her selection as a desperate pander.

Obama's selection of Joe Biden opened the door to the Pandora's Box that is Sarah Palin. But it's not too late to correct the error -- because Biden himself --graciously, perhaps inadvertently -- has given Obama another opening.

Barack told ABC's Cuomo that Biden's deferential comment about Hillary -- that she would have the "better" VP pick -- was just Joe being Joe, a manifestation of his self-deprecating personality.

But Cuomo failed to follow up, and Obama never answered the core question: Was Biden RIGHT when he said Hillary would have been the better choice? And is there anything that Obama can do now to better capitalize on the goodwill that Hillary engenders among working-class Democrats?

There IS something that Obama can do. He can prevail upon Biden to act upon his beliefs and nobly withdraw from the race, paving the way for a second (or third?) coming of Hillary Clinton -- the only anti-Palin palliative that stands a chance of turning the tide at this late date.

Biden would be inoculating himself against yet another Democratic presidential meltdown -- a possibility that's looking more likely as Election Day draws closer. And if Obama-Clinton were to win the White House, Biden would find himself anointed as a party kingmaker, a power behind the throne.

That's a lot better than returning to the Senate as a three-time presidential campaign loser.

The New York Times' Sunday expose of Palin's self-aggrandizing reign as Alaska's governor could provide some momentum for Obama to successfully overcome the McCain-Palin surge -- but probably, only if Obama makes a bold move to reclaim the kingdom.

For more on why the Obama camp must make the Palin pick a central front in its final stretch battle for the White House, see:

http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 15, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

politicus:

IT'S WELL KNOWN THAT GREENSPAN SET THE TABLE FOR THE BANKS TO CONDUCT ALL THIS SHAKY LENDING IN THE FIRST PLACE!

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE SO IGNORANT OF THE FACTS, YET FEEL QUALIFIED TO SPEW LIES!

Posted by: Richard | September 15, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think its ironic that the Republicans, who always decry federal regulation as interfering with the free market economy, are the first to cry for a federal bail-out when their Wall Street cronies get themselves into a bind?

Posted by: Politicus | September 15, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

For anyone who thinks Obama isn't experienced on the economy, they should watch the O'Reilly interview. O'Reilly actually admitted Obama was a formidable candidate after the fact.

And here's a 6 point, 30 minute speech Obama delivered in March 2008 on how to fix the problems in the financial markets. He forecasted all of this, and had a plan to deal with it 6 months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSuT5zN2SPI&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/15/104152/710/660/599372

All McCain has are Bush talking points and crooks and lobbyists like Phil Gramm... who actually created this mess in the late 90's via massive deregulation of the loan industry.

Watch the above video. There won't be a doubt in your mind that Obama knows infinitely more about the economy than McCain.

Infinitely more.

Posted by: JD | September 15, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

So who has more credibility on the economy?
Alan Greenspan? Who says our current financial crisis is a "once in a century" situation that we have not yet seen the bottom of?
Or John McCain? "The fundamentals of our economy are strong"?
I think I'll listen to Greenspan.

Posted by: Politicus | September 15, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Why is the media so bias towards Obama?
There is something very wrong in our society when the media selects a candidate as a favorite.
Have we not learned from history where such blind worship leads?
The dictators Hitler, Mussolini, Kim Jong Il all began as a cult of personality worship. The media for these dictators were slanted during their rise and then controlled after they assumed power. Obama is clearly following the same pattern.
Obama and his wife have a horrendous history of evil and whenever facts of Obama’s infamous life is mentioned, the press ignores it. But for Hillary, McCain or Palin, if they so much as sneeze, they are mercilessly taken thought the ringer and insulted by the press relentlessly.
Is this because we are afraid to criticize an African American or because some powers above are manipulating the media?
- It is also interesting to note, that Obama critical posting are often banned or removed by the mediators of blogs or newspapers. A shocking example of this is The Swamp - Tribune's Washington Bureau who will almost NEVER print anything anti-Obama yet they are ubiquitous throughout the Internet. Doesn’t slanted reporting and opinion contradict the concept of news? Doesn’t China and Russia do this?
Obama is not even elected yet, and Obama’s cult followers have already managed to implement restrictions on Freedom of Speech and undermine media neutrality. What will happen to us if Obama were elected? He will teach our youth to be thugs like himself. And if you don’t know why I call him a thug, find out how he got elected as senator and look at all the ill associations he has hobnobbed with throughout his life. Remember when he gave the finger to Hillary on national TV and now calling Palin a pig.
We have clearly become a society whose depth of thinking is equivalent to that of Britney Spears and we will pay for this lazy intelligence and lack of critical thinking with our country. We are setting the stage for an American Mussolini.

Posted by: Julie Alton | September 15, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that with McCain/Palin supporters you see a lot of name calling? And what is this obsession with Obama's middle name? Are you people skipping middle school right now or did you just end your intellectual development at that point?

Posted by: Strange Days | September 15, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Putting McCain/Palin in charge of our economy is a joke. He doesn't know anything about it and admits it... and the guy he chose to stand in for him on it (Phil Gramm) is the one who led the deregulation of the mortgage market in the first place in 1998.

McCain CHOSE THE GUY who created this mess.

It's unbelievable.

What an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: JD | September 15, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

It's a good thing that Biden may have the experience to cast a deciding vote in the Senate, because Obama sure doesn't have much experience in that genre. :)

Posted by: Celeste | September 15, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait until the election is finally over with. The suspense is killing me!

Posted by: Billy | September 15, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

It's clear the Joe Biden has the experience needed to step into the job of President. It's clear that Cindy Palin doesn't.

It's clear that Joe Biden has the knowledge to cast a deciding vote in the Senate. It's clear that Cindy Palin doesn't.

Posted by: Dave | September 15, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Can you really believe anything Joe " The plagiarist" Biden says?

He's the last person that should talk about being "entrenched" in DC.

I wonder WHO he stole his speech from this time around ?

Posted by: avg joe | September 15, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

CindyIllDumpYouTooOnceIHaveSarah:

In your dreams, honey. But frankly, it's the best story I've heard all day!

People who really do what you dream about have little time for posting on some internet blog. But good luck with those fantasies, dear. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Posted by: Aretha | September 15, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

BUSH / CHENNEY 2008

What else we can say about McCain candidacy!!!

Posted by: BOBSTER | September 15, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The country needs a smart, alert leader not one who wraps himself in his one claim to fame - that he did not sell out his fellow POW's. All the POWS were as honorable. Yet they have the intelligence and humility to not use it to get elected. Mccain is not a maverick he is a desperate puppet of the extreemists on the right. That - POW - was then this is NOW .

Posted by: Rob from PA | September 15, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

It amazes me how many of you are just certain that Palin would make this or that change on a Federal level, when she hasn't even ATTEMPTED to do so on her State level!

How stupid are some of you people anyway? Palin has stated her PERSONAL OPINIONS. What part of PERSONAL do you not understand.

Never mind - I forgot - you're Democrats.

Posted by: CarrieAnn | September 15, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

hey dems.....can you smell it ?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/15/politics/washingtonpost/main4449239.shtml

3peat
3peat
3peat

Right now Hussein is spending 2.5 to 1 vs McCain....let's hope that money keeps rolling in

seen the latest unoffical poll from good ol Liberal NYC..the most frequently bankrupted city in the USA. Where over 60 % of all wallstreet contributions go to the good ol DNC

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-election2008-poll,0,4540818,post.poll

Posted by: laughing at the dems | September 15, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Aretha -- Yes, actually, I am a Rhodes Scholar. Studied at the London School of Economics. My "trailer park" is on the Intercoastal Waterway in Boca Raton, Florida. Like McCain, I have a seven-figure income. Unlike McCain, I actually give a damn about middle class and working people, and, even though I would benefit from McCain's greed-driven policies, I am against them because he doesn't care about the working class and the poor.

Posted by: CindyIllDumpYouTooOnceIHaveSarah | September 15, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Biden is an idiot.

If Palin loses the election, she'll go back to being the Governor of the State of Alaska.

If Obama loses the election, he'll go back to voting Present on every controversial bill that crosses his desk.

We here in Illinois don't even know for sure how Obama would vote on most things, and he's our Senator!

Close your ears, open your eyes and read his record. Or lack thereof.

Posted by: JimC | September 15, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

From the article: "(On tax cuts, health care and Iraq, McCain offers similar proposals to Bush administration policy; on other matters, such climate change and embryonic stem cell research, he differs with the administration.)"

Hmmm. Yet it's on climate change and embryonic stem cell research that John McCain chose a VP nominee, Sarah Palin, who agrees with Bush. So how is he a maverick? Or is it just a "style" thing of making naval aviator type wisecracks, rather than a true matter of substance?

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | September 15, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

CindyIllDumpYouTooOnceIHaveSarah:

You're a real Rhodes Scholar, aren't you? And which trailer park do YOU live in, Dearie? LOL LOL LOL

Posted by: Aretha | September 15, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Some recent gems from Plagiarist-Joe's "attacks":

Biden: "...right now I don't believe he (hussein) is (ready to be president). The presidency is not something that leads itself to on-the-job training".

Biden: " I would be honored to run with or against John McCain. He'd leave the country better off."

Biden: hussein is "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean."

Biden: "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America." "Quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me."

As with michelle ("For the FIRST TIME in my life I am proud of my country."), biden's mouth will prove to be so toxic that he, too, will eventually be muzzled and placed in an undisclosed location away from reporters until the campaign is over.

"Sweetie" hussein and Plagiarist Joe - what a team!

Posted by: ALEX H. | September 15, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin has more executive experience than the 2 yr. Sen. B. Hussein Obama's only given this country empty rhetoric. Let's honor the memory of those murdered by Muslim extremists on 9/11. Read excerpts from this 9/8/08 Investors Business Daily article, then ask why no one else circulated this story: Barack Obama — Magna Cum Saudi? Election ’08: Does Barack Obama owe his meteoric rise to an Israeli-hating adviser to a Saudi billionaire? Why did a race-baiting mentor to the Black Panthers favor this yet unknown community organizer? As Newsmax’s Kenneth Timmerman reports, he (Obama) was helped by ... Percy Sutton, former Manhattan borough president and ... candidate for mayor of New York in 1977. "... this year on New York’s ... channel NY1, ... Sutton made ... revelations about his relationship with ... Obama. He told NY1 reporter Dominic Carter on “Inside City Hall” that he was asked to write a letter in support of Obama’s application to Harvard law school… by a friend - Dr. Khalid al-Mansour.” Sutton said. “He is the principal adviser to one of the world’s richest men."... al-Mansour said, “...(Obama) has applied to Harvard. ...Would you ... write a letter in support of him?” “Sutton, a former lawyer for Malcolm X and.. business partner of al-Mansour, says he (al-Mansour) was raising money for Obama’s graduate school education (and) al-Mansour was representing top members of the Saudi Royal family seeking to do business and exert influence in the United States.” One ... was Prince Alwaleed bin Talalprince who offered ..$10 million to ... New York ... after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. After the prince publicly suggested (...as Jeremiah Wright, did recently) that U.S. policies brought on the attacks, then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani told Alwaleed where he could deposit his check.

Posted by: LA | September 15, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

agentorange:

My husband is a two-term veteran of Viet Nam. Your use of that particular user name - when thousands of veterans yet today have health issues from the agent orange chemical - is despicable.

Posted by: Diana | September 15, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

No Kate, they're attacking the "honor" of a person who LOST his honor by undertaking a lie and smear campaign, and cynically selecting a dolt as his running mate.

Posted by: CindyI'llDumpYouTooOnceIHaveSarah | September 15, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Biden - the token W-Dude - needs to do a little personal introspection as to why HE was chosen to run for Vice President before he starts pointing outside of his square. Thank God my husband would NEVER ALLOW HIMSELF TO BE USED LIKE T-H-A-T.

Posted by: chicagopearl | September 15, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

First the strategy of linking McCain to Bush didn't work. Now they're learning that this McCain is out of touch strategy is not sticking. Now they're attacking the honor of a war hero.

I think Obama needs a new strategist. How about talk to us about your plan to deal with this financial crisis? Or talk about ANY issue. Any issue at all.

Posted by: Kate | September 15, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry "my friends", McCain doesn't need to know anything about economics or foreign policy or health care etc etc..


He was a POW!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdLO3jKkPo

Posted by: agent orange | September 15, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Palin accused of Cheating with her Husbands Best Friend.
http://www.hotpres.com

Palin New Attack on Obama
http://www.TheVeep.com

Obama may ditch Biden and Pick new VP
http://www.TheObamaPlan.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain is out today saying the economy, (the GW Bush economy), is fundamentally strong.

Sure, if you're a multimillonaire like Bush, living in the country's most lavish public housing, or married to a megamillionaire like McCain is, things always look rosy.

But homeonwers continue to default, home prices continue to decline, banks and investments houses either fail, are bought up by the government or other companies, and consumer confidence continues to sink.

What's the Palin-McCain plan ?

Posted by: MA | September 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Thank you-its about time we all give a little attention to my man Biden.I had almost forgotten that he is also running for an office.I am a fan! Even more since last week-after he stated the obvious truth -that Hillary could have been a better pick.Go Biden!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The next step is this commercial...it's a knockout punch in the Rust Belt.

http://nahnopenotquite.com/2008/09/15/the-obama-commercial-needed-in-ohio-and-pa/

Posted by: ES | September 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain advisor Donald Luskin is frustrated, not at Wall Street or the Bush administration, but at you middle class whiners and exaggerators. And he's not gonna take it any more!:

"But that doesn't make any of it true. Things today just aren't that bad. Sure, there are trouble spots in the economy, as the government takeover of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and jitters about Wall Street firm Lehman Brothers, amply demonstrate. And unemployment figures are up a bit, too. None of this, however, is cause for depression -- or exaggerated Depression comparisons."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202415.html


That's what Bushonomics are reduced to? After eight years of being told the next tax cut for billionaires would unleash the long promised economic Mecca, after two straight Presidential terms where critics of Bush's trickle-down mythology were soundly ridiculed as ignorant socialists, after being told We the People don't understand complicated money stuff and we should just shut up, work harder, shop our brains out, and trust conservative economic philosophy, the best case scenario our millionaire conservative cheerleaders can make in the end is 'it's not as bad' as the Great Depression?


"Vote Republican and it won't be as bad as the Great Depression!"


I remember a time when the nation was at peace, its economy driven by technical innovation and stable markets allowing the accumulation of investment capital. Interest rates and unemployment were near historical lows, wages and productivity rose almost as steeply the stock market. Talk of investment banks going broke or market meltdowns was rare to non existent. And no one had to write columns begging people not to compare the economy to the Great Depression. It sounds like a conservative wet dream, but it was actually called the Clinton Years.

Posted by: former Republican | September 15, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Dear concerned citizens of America and Mass Media of the U.S.A.

As a concerned registered independent voter, forensic psychiatrist, disabled American I made my decision to vote after taking into consideration following joint tickets attributes and characteristics.

1. Has the ticket shown adequate calmness, coolness, and connectedness's under pressure to lead our nation [Presidential Temperament]?

2. Has the ticket shown sustained sound "Judgment and Caliber"?

3. Has the ticket shown adequate understanding of depth and degree to address the crucial challenges in their their purpose, policies, and positions [ Honesty, integrity and sincerity]?

4. Has the ticket sufficient "understanding and knowledge" of inside Washington workings [Experience]"?

5. Has the ticket reservoir resilience, wisdom, and vigor to address the present and future f our beloved "Great-grand Nation"?

6. Has the ticket enough joint foreign policy experience and exposure based on " Values, Virtues, Vastness, and " [American moral soul]"?

7. Has their campaign talk, slogans, ads, plans, and programs based on facts and are they free of fear, fiction, frivolous labels, unfair attacks, negativity, and impulsively? [No "imminent danger to national
security and safety"].

8. Has the ticket genuinely kept on message of country first and politics last and avoided copying [Message change"]?

9.Has the ticket message stayed away from Culture divide and war[ Disaster prevention ]?

10. Has the ticket resisted being surrounded, supported and surrogate's by divisiveness, distortion's, and destructive characters, [ Real patriotism VS shiftiness and shameless parrot-ism]?

I have personally and professionally concluded that OBAMA-BIDEN ticket will lift and inspire our greatgrand nation back to its greatness within and restore our global standing with the use of maximum, firm
international diplomacy and minimal force if and when indicated {" Peace thru Strenght "}.


Yours sincerely,

COL. A.M.Khajawall [Ret] MD.
Forensic psychiatrist, Disabled American Veteran and Iraq
Freedom team. Grass roots California leader per Senator McCain's mailings.

Posted by: COL. A.M.Khajawall [Ret] | September 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Keep it up, Joe "MBNA" Biden -- especially on October 2nd ...

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

If McCain wins the 2008 Presidential Election, Americans better hope and pray that the fine print found on every glossy mutual fund brochure applies. Because another four years of Bushism in the form of John McCain could make the Great Depression sound like the good old days:

"In one of the most dramatic days in Wall Street’s history, Merrill Lynch agreed to sell itself to Bank of America for roughly $50 billion to avert a deepening financial crisis, while another prominent securities firm, Lehman Brothers, hurtled toward liquidation after it failed to find a buyer, people briefed on the deals said. The humbling moves, which reshape the landscape of American finance, mark the latest chapter in a tumultuous year in which once-proud financial institutions have been brought to their knees..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/business/15lehman.html?_r=1&ref=worldbusiness&oref=slogin


Looking back at the vast economic wreckage brought on by "conservative" policies provides a chilling picture for a future under the thumb of John McCain and his merry band of industry lobbyists. It's frightening to contemplate where we'd be, right now, if these bozos had succeeded in 'privatizing' social security, as in throwing it and the future of millions of retiring Americans who rely on it into the same snapping jaws that brought us this latest financial pile of crap.


The nation has learned at great, tragic cost that "conservatives" can't be trusted to prevent terrorist attacks, bring the top Al-qaeda kingpin to justice, wisely initiate and manage foreign wars, or control spending. Now, with the benefit of empirical hindsight, perhaps it's time to publicly recognize what everyone now knows: "conservatism" doesn't work at home, either.

Posted by: Bush + McCain = "W"orthless | September 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

well let mccain step up too its a free country

Posted by: boruch yona loriner | September 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe

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