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Biden Takes On 'Red October' Thompson

By Perry Bacon Jr.
FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Vice presidential nominee Sen. Joe Biden attacked a series of Republicans in a speech here, taking on not only Sen. John McCain, but McCain campaign manager Rick Davis, President Bush and former Tennessee senator Fred Thompson.

"I don't think I would run into a single Floridian who would walk up to me and say, 'Joe, the economy is doing great' ... unless I bumped into John or maybe Fred," Biden told a crowd of several hundred at a community center here, as he referred to speeches Tuesday night at the Republican National Convention.

McCain has acknowledged Americans are struggling with a slowing economy, but in a speech at the convention, Thompson attacked Obama's economic plan, saying "you don't lift an economic downturn by imposing one of the largest tax increases in American history."

Referring to Bush's speech praising McCain, Biden cast them as the Minnesota Twins.

"George Bush said, quote, 'The man we need is John McCain,' " Biden said. "John has earned this endorsement; he's voted with him 90 percent of the time."

(Bush in that speech emphasized he and McCain had often disagreed on key issues.)

And Biden criticized a remark made by Davis, who told The Post in an interview, "This election is not about issues -- this election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates."

"Not about issues!" Biden said. "That means to them this election is not about whether you're able to scrape up the tuition money to send your kid to college."

Biden, on the third day of a campaign swing targeting older white and working class voters, delighted in deepening his voice as he tried to mimic Thompson, who he referred to as "Red October."

"Fred went there up and said, 'Well, the Democrats are going to raise your taxes,'" Biden said in a low tone as the crowd laughed. "I don't know why we need to give another tax break to Exxon Mobil."

The two campaigns have been debating tax policy for weeks, as the GOP argues that Obama's refusal to extend tax cuts for Americans who make more than $250,000 a year would slow the economy, while Democrats have said McCain's proposed tax cuts for all corporations is akin to a handout to oil companies.

The Florida event marked some of the sharpest criticisms of McCain by Biden since his speech at the Democratic convention last week.

But much of the Delaware senator's rhetoric in his first solo campaign swing has consisted of passionate and at times rambling defenses against perceived Obama weaknesses.

He defended Obama's calls for a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq, noting the Iraqi government and the Bush administration have discussed similar proposals, even as Republicans have suggested he wants to "surrender" from Iraq.

"If Barack Obama is the agent of surrender, George Bush is signing the surrender papers," Biden said.

The senator's defense of Obama was not perfect: Just as he had last week, he referred to Obama's wisdom in proposing to send two additional battalions to Afghanistan. Obama has proposed to send two more brigades, not battalions, which are much smaller.

By Web Politics Editor  |  September 3, 2008; 2:00 PM ET
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Biden? :) :) I can't stop laughing. Isn't that the guy who Lied about his academics?
same old politics guy

Well Democrats are doomed. They have a candidate with Questionable Character at No 1 and biggest liar in America on no 2.

How brainless is this selection of candidates?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 6, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Can any rational person still think that windbag Joe will smoke Palin in the debate? This foreign policy "expert" has been wrong on all the big issues. In an effort to discredit her the Left fell over themselves breathlessly telling us her speech was written for her. Hmmm. I guess that's much worse than stealing one from across the ocean.

Posted by: Saltbread | September 4, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

You know Biden,

Bush is the president.

McCain is a Senator.

Senator's vote on bills.

President's don't.

So--tell me, how is it that they vote the same 90% of the time?

You're a fruitcake and your lies are "almost" deceiving.

Posted by: Pacman | September 4, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

"Referring to Bush's speech praising McCain, Biden cast them as the Minnesota Twins".

What a compliment! The Twins are a great ball team who, despite a relatively small payroll, play baseball hard and the right way and win a lot of games, division championships and two World Series.

Posted by: Tom | September 4, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Lets get some of old Joe's statements from Glen Beck show the other night and show how his statements have changed. Will some one on You Tube give us some replays of Rev Wright the preacher from hell who adores whiteys.Joe may get a big surprise when he gets his chance to debate her on TV he will need a lot of makeup to cover that old face in front of someone so fresh looking.

Posted by: musing | September 3, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Texasproud,

Help me understand this: It's the dailykos crowd who is who is tearing this family down and exploiting the young woman's situation. But isn't her mother who put her in the limelight? Didn't she, through her actions, choose to make public her daughter's situation? Was she naive enough to think that this would not happen? I mean, C'MON!

Posted by: Nuffsaid | September 3, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

You are correct on both regards, and I stand corrected.

Posted by: genennene | September 3, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

To "genennene" -

You say "I love being told by people that they hate Christians, and believe that the Christians should leave. Golly, we were here first."

Native Americans might disagree with you on that one.

Also, her name is spelled "Palin".

Posted by: kate | September 3, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Ackerman is interested in limiting censorship and smears to those who agree with her. How typical.

Posted by: genennene | September 3, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

The issue involving the daughter was forced out by left wing nut job bloggers who falsely claimed that Trig was her grandson, rather than her son. It was a lie.

Posted by: genennene | September 3, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I love being told by people that they hate Christians, and believe that the Christians should leave. Golly, we were here first.

As to the Palen trooper situation, in Alaska, she was entitled to fire the public safety director, with or without cause. The issue there was whether she was lying when she said WHY she fired him.

Everyone here acts like she is a single mom. She has a husband. She is living, as well as anyone can, her moral beliefs. Do people (including her daughter) make mistakes? Yes. As a Christian, is she trying to be understanding and forgiving? Yes.

It is ironic that in 2007, Time magazine carries a piece on how wonderful Palen is in cleaning up Republican corruption, only to go on attack mode now that she is a threat to help the Republicans. Typical.

Posted by: genennene | September 3, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

TexasProud - shut yp getting shrill!

Neither the dems or the MSM were the ones who coughed up Peg Bundy after 1 day of vetting.

It's impossible not to consider the irony of her cutting funding and then ending up with a pregnant teen daughter.

Plus, STFU! You republicans have lost all rights to say what can and cannot be talked about.

Change parties or get used to it. You shouldn't just settle for the first hunk of meat that comes along with an R after the name.

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 3, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

There was something here, but look over at HuffingtonPost. They seem to be a Palin clearinghouse.

They have the video that is going to sink Palin.

I kept asking why the MSM was not playing it, but then Ed Shultz on Air America said the MSM and the dems are backing off for a day or two.

They are probably have too much fun.

They will let her give her speech. To do otherwise, would not be... wise.

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 3, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

cobbler, can you provide links to the stories aboout Palin's cuts for special needs/pregnant teens. I'm not doubting you at ALL; I simply want to have some reality based talking pts on these specific issues. No one is trashing poor Bristol that I know,
but many have pointed out the deeply dishonorable hypocrisies that clearly demonstrate Sarah Palin's severe moral failings. Why do so manu fundamentalist Christians seem so much LESS Christian than the average non-pious Christians I know and care about, folks who very simply do their imperfect best to live by the golden rule......? The MSM should know about Plain's ugly double standards, especially budgetary ones, giving us a little foreshadowing of the insane havoc she'd wreak if elected and McCain were to pass away. It is the basics of their job to report on them. Got any links or suggestions?
Thanks.

Posted by: DD | September 3, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Repug-after Obama's new spending programs and the resulting tax increase, we ALL will be less fortunate. I'm sure your messiah can use your post as talking points the next time his congregation-MSNBC, CNN, NYT, etc needs a new sermon to praise

Posted by: TexasProud | September 3, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I really dislike Christians / repuglicans. Soooo sick of you all. Not welcome in my house anymore. You want to divide the country -- terrorize the less fortunate? Let's get it on as*#&les.

Posted by: repug | September 3, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"God is not pleased with Sarah Palin"...
Really is that the best you can do? Theological question aside, do you have to attack the Palin's family situation, IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! If you disagree with the governor for not being pro-abortion, or for praising the virtues of condoms, you can do that separately, bringing her family into this is a low, even for the daily kos crowd, and we know they have pretty low standards

Posted by: TexasProud | September 3, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

God is not pleased with Sarah Palin. She's named V-P choice and storms began to hit one after another. She cuts monies in Alaska for special needs children and then has one. She wipes out monies for unwed moms and then gets presented with one in her very own family.

Posted by: cobbler | September 3, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what this liar says about anything and anyone?

Fact of the matter is, Biden is the gold meadelist in the category of Liars :)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Other than an extra penis, what exactly does biden bring to the obama ticket, and what does he have to offer the country?

Posted by: Bridget | September 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

To everyone piling on the Palin family and there situation... You are sick and need to get a life! Leave the 17 year old daughter alone! I don't know anyone who doesn't know someone going through a teen pregnancy and for liberal activists to get on their soapbox and attempt to tear down this family is a new low for political discourse in this country. Where are the alleged feminists and why aren't they showing a backbone and defend the Palins' privacy. You don't have to agree with their political stances, but to attack the governor's parenting skills and exploit the situation for political gain is disgusting.

Posted by: TexasProud | September 3, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Few thoughts:

There's a growing pattern of Palin firing people she didn't like.

Her statements about our shipping off soldiers to Iraq
being God's plan is past looney.

She admitted that she didn't even know "what the VP does"

I want someone to tell me how this Down's child Trig who will need so much Time to be cared for by his own Mom and the pregnant daughter who will also need a lot of caring TIME will get that time from Palin. You think Cheney has had tons of free time? Get real. Family values, my a**.

Het association with the AIP is the most UnAmerican think I've ever heard of in a major caqndidate. Rev Wright believed GOD would damn the US for the civilian deaths in Iraq. Period. AIP'ers
hate America wholesale.

It goes on and on. McCain could have picked a respected, respectable, seasoned, ethical Republican. That he didn't may be his deserved downfall.

Posted by: DD | September 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Now that's the Joe Biden we love.

Posted by: Patrick | September 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

As always.. the Obamanuts are attacking a woman who might pose a threat! Hillary should have demanded a fair roll call instead of being bullied by the men in the DNC. Shame on all of you women haters!!
Cynthia McKinney 2008 !!

Posted by: ClintonDem4Cynthia08 | September 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

It's not about the pregnancy. It's about the attempt to hide it from the voters by using a baby blanket and an infant child as a screen behind which Bristol Palin was hid in plain sight by John McCain's campaign. Clearly, we were supposed to be kept in the dark for two months till the election was over and Bristol reappeared seven months pregnant. This latest attempted cover up only failed due to forces beyond the campaign's control.

In what is a pattern of cover ups, not a single page from the neurological section of Senator McCain's most recent medical report was released to the public. Not one. And yet, there is no reporting of this cover-up either. What gives?

Posted by: Peter Gardiner | September 3, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Instead of arranging birth control for Bristol & warning her children away from teenage-marriage & too early children, Mrs. Palin, outdated mom & Republican & Independence for Alaska Party politician from the past & emasculated husband push their daughter Bristol, 17, into marriage with boyfriend Levi J, 18 yrs of age. This kind of parental madness made-to-measure makes "sense" in Alaska's small towns & to extreme right-wing neo-con, born-again Christian one-dimensional flatheads - no sense everywhere else or to anyone who has traveled outside of this restrictive mentality.

Posted by: hadeze | September 3, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

This is a response to any argument/ blog/ Neo-con attempting to demonstrate the efficacy of trickle down economic in this year's presidential debate, these are all based on data from the taxpolicycenter.org site and reporting statistics over the last 30 years. (I wrote it in response to a blogger in regards to Frank Thompson's speech Tuesday.)

Frank Thompson is an actor, playing to the same script that has effectively diverted tax liability away from those earning the most income in the country to those of us making between 60K-210K, period.

This is the October surprise, or rather America's October epiphany.

You may disagree with my political ideology, but you cannot disagree with the facts, the truth is the truth.

From: taxpolicycenter.org

A.)Who makes up America's Total national Income? (and how much is that?)

Top 1.0% = 19% of National Income. @ 1.7Mill/yr
Next 4.0% = 14% of National Income. @ 210K/yr
Next 15.0% = 26% of National Income. @ 98K/yr

Total = 20% pop = 59.0% of All NatInc. (The 20 percent at the top controls 59.0% of all assets in the U.S.)

1980-2000 difference in income share

Top 1% = 18.0% Income Increase
Next 5% = 1.5% Income Increase
Next 5% = -1.5% Income decrease
Next 5% = -6.5% Income decrease
Next 5% = -7.5% Income decrease
Next 50 = -2.5% Income decrease

Now it takes money to make money, and sure we shouldn't punish success, those who make the argument that this 1 percent of Americans have seen their taxes increase at a rate higher than any other group in the country are absolutely correct. Federal taxes on this group between 1980 and 2000 have increased by nearly 95.0%, and certainly no other group could maintain themselves under those circumstances, but while those arguing that point will never hesitate to bring up that 95% tax increase over the last 28 years, they will never mention the fact that:

Income for this group has increased as well, and very well indeed at the rate of by nearly 150%!!!!

So, do you see the disinformation in play, any American would accept a 95% tax increase while bundled with a 150% income increase, in all actuality couldn't we just call that a 50% tax break.

So in conclusion, if a Presidential candidate told the American public that their economic plan was to restore tax levels to what they were under the Clinton Administration for everyone except for those under 250K, that would be achievable aspiration which would in no way, endanger the economy, actually it would stimulate consumer spending, stimulate retail sales, change the morale of 95% of the country while simultaneously preserving a more that moderate tax break, "historically speaking" for those of us making 250K or above (1.0 percent of Americans, historically they would still have received a 17% income increase statistically speaking over the last 28 years)

The tax breaks for 95% of Americans that Sen. Obama mentions in his acceptance speech, is realistic, responsible, and note-worthy. It is in no way a re-distribution of wealth. According to the raw historical data the re-distribution of wealth occurred during the last 28 years of trickledown economics. The American people need a Government which listens to the people not lobbyists for asset management companies nor political and economic theorists worshiping some ideological talking point.

Check out the facts for yourself, the information is very interesting.

What was most shocking to me was the breakdown of the top 20% of income earners, of the individual which fell in the top 20%, a surprising 19% have not seen tax decreases as well. The 4% of these individuals who made more than 98K but less than 210K actually saw a 0.5% increase in their tax burden, the 15% who made between 57K and 98K actually saw a 0.1% increase in their tax burden.

Now as conservatives attest, there has been tax decreases. The top 1.0% (210K to 1.17Mil/yr) received a 1.0% tax decrease, and those Americans which fall in the 2nd quintile(9.3K to 20.6K/yr) received a 0.2% tax decrease. Only 7.0% of Americans making less that 210K per year received a tax break under the Bush tax cuts (speaking in terms of federal income tax only)

So regardless of the total dollar amount of the Bush tax cuts or the ratio between GDP and Fed taxation rates, any straight talk in regards to this subject should begin with explaining how a tax break that leaves out 92% of Americans is more responsible to the American economic situation than a tax break that only leaves out 8.0% of Americans, and more specifically only that very same 8.0% of Americans whose incomes have increased by nearly 150% over the last 28 years since Reagan, while their tax burden has only risen by 49%.

Enough people, who's fighting for that 92%,
there's a 92% chance you should be

Posted by: ProudSouthernAmerican | September 3, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Biden sure can ramble on sometimes. He does have that habit of making jokes and drawing parallels that only he gets in his head. Still, I think Biden will smoke Palin in a debate. Her time in front of the local TV cameras in Wasilla and Alaska and reading prepared statements from the McCain camp is going to be no match against Biden and taking questions from a panel of tough, national moderators.

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 3, 2008 2:13 PM

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I hope when Palin debates all Joe she refers to him as Sen Kinnock, you know the guy he stool his life story from. In fact I hope she uses it tonight. I hope she brings up Joe's need to plagiarize. You know he was caught doing it in Law School as well. The man has not had an original thought in decades.

Posted by: Kabookey | September 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Jake: If Troopergate is just a witch hunt, why doesn't she cooperate and get it over with before the election, like Ted Stevens is trying to do?

As for the media smearing her, Meg Whitman (McCain's co-chair) says the media isn't being sexist, that they're just doing what they are supposed to do.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/mccains_national_cochair_media.php


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You know the trooper thing is all payback because it is the republicans that are going after her not the dems. It was the republican control state house that is pushing the troop issue. They were shown to be corrupt by her and now they are trying to trash her.

Posted by: Kabookey | September 3, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Jake: If Troopergate is just a witch hunt, why doesn't she cooperate and get it over with before the election, like Ted Stevens is trying to do?

As for the media smearing her, Meg Whitman (McCain's co-chair) says the media isn't being sexist, that they're just doing what they are supposed to do.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/mccains_national_cochair_media.php

Posted by: David | September 3, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

This is soo hilarious! McCain's camp is comparing the f$^&Cked up V.P. choice with Obama! Their comparison is filled with ambigious rhetoric, not sure policies or information! This is great! I am laughing my self to death! They had better do something with those radical underage drinking redneck kids of this woman! Her husband was in a radical, canadian group that denounced America and hates the flag! Why isn't faux news reporting this. This woman and her husband are members of a terrorist organization! This is hilarious! What a sure win for Obama/Biden! Yes we Can

Posted by: Lucy | September 3, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

Keep reading re: witch hunt.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

LS:

True. Alternatively, even with a budget surplus, I would have cut those programs too.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Last I heard, the DEMOCRATIC Assembly was more than pleased with their cooperation and hasn't even had to issue subpoenas."

Your news is out of date. She started stonewalling today--after saying it was "cool" and she'd cooperate.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

KRG:

At least we agree "The media is smearing her for being a woman" (Freudian slip on your part perhaps?).

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Here in California, our Governor has to make tough budget choices too. It's all part of that EXECUTIVE experience that neither Obama nor Biden have.
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Yes, well, I think you need to compare California's budget and economic situation to Alaska's. Here's a hint: it is a *very good* time to be a petrol state....

Posted by: LS | September 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Lou R:

1) No Bush in person at the DNC convention to create a separation image;

You are aware that Hurrican Gustav hit New Orleans on Monday morning, right?

2) McCain withdraws from CNN interview to avoid questions about Palin;

Questions like: "Can she be VP and have a family?" when no one at CNN asks Joe Biden that?

3) heightened personal attacks against Obama/Biden;

No more so than the personal attacks against her, Bristol and Trig.

4) no Palin exposure to media to avoid shallow experience questions;

You mean, other than the prime time speech tonight?

5) bringing social wedge issues into the campaign when McCain said he would campaign on the issues;

Social edge issues like abortion and same-sex marriage are STILL "issues".

6) media being blamed for questions about Palin;

I blame Daily Kos and the Bush haters more than the press (sometimes one in the same).

7) to be son-in-law being rushed to convention for photo ops with pregnant teenage daughter;

LOL! Wasn't the big criticism that Levi is being "forced" to marry Bristol when he wasn't rushed to the initial announcment Friday?

8) Palin and husband unwilling to do depositions for State investigation of influence by the Governor;

Last I heard, the DEMOCRATIC Assembly was more than pleased with their cooperation and hasn't even had to issue subpoenas. Nothing wrong with getting a lawyer, at this point, because it is going to turn into a partisan witch (so as to not be accused of "playing the gender card", and warlock) hunt.

Are you sure it's the GOP who are in "panic, panic, panic!!!"?

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Why would any supporter of Hillary want McCain vetoing or Palin casting the deciding vote against the legislation Senator Clinton will be working her butt off on come what may? I have to chuckle at the rightwing fauxminists coming out of the woodwork and spamming blogs about how unfair it is for the media to do what McCain failed to do: vet the candidate. The idea that Hillary's female supporters are so emotional and bitter that they will ignore the reason and issues and vote based on Palin's crass appeals to identity politics is the sexist stereotype.

Posted by: Jeremy | September 3, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I see no reason to defend Sarah Palin. At all. The media is smearing her for being a woman, it's smearing her for being incompetent, for being dictatorial, for being inexperienced and for being NOT THE RIGHT PERSON TO BE SECOND IN COMMAND OF OUR COUNTRY. Nothing sexist about that -- it's just the truth.

Posted by: KRG | September 3, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It is becoming a national disgrace the way the McCain campaign and its surrogates are distorting every reality. This is a sign of a campaign being in a severe panic mode. No Bush in person at the DNC convention to create a separation image; McCain withdraws from CNN interview to avoid questions about Palin; heightened personal attacks against Obama/Biden; no Palin exposure to media to avoid shallow experience questions; bringing social wedge issues into the campaign when McCain said he would campaign on the issues; media being blamed for questions about Palin; to be son-in-law being rushed to convention for photo ops with pregnant teenage daughter; Palin and husband unwilling to do depositions for State investigation of influence by the Governor; panic, panic, panic!!!

Posted by: Lou R | September 3, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"I predict that tonight Sarah will give a very polished and emotional testimonial. It will be shallow of content and high on emotion"...

No, that was the speech already given by Mr. Barack Obama the other night.

Posted by: Wolf | September 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

To: Women of America, and Women all over the world who seek to be Free from the oppression that defines the way certain men in media and in power continue to treat women.

Ladies, if you take a look at the situation in today's media you will find a commonality.

Something just under the surface will tug at your conscience as if to say "this is strikingly familiar", and the pale and gruesome reality is that IT IS!

Remember when Hillary, a stellar candidate for the Presidential nomination, was at the height of her contest for the primary? Well do you remember what the media and bloggers did to her? It wasn't pretty, and more painfully, it WASN'T RIGHT!!!

IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN!!

Certain bloggers/reporters/so-called-media constituents are at it again. They are making up stories about another woman candidate, solely for the purpose of SMEARING THAT CANDIDATE BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN!!

LADIES, YOU MUST NOT STAND FOR THIS DISRESPECTFUL AND UNEQUIVOCATED TREATMENT OF THE WOMEN CANDIDATES!! THIS MUST STOP!! THE TIME IS NOW!!

Whether you think Governor Palin should be the VP or not, YOU MUST DEMAND EQUAL TREATMENT FOR HER!! STAND UP FOR WOMEN!!

Barack Obama and the media DESTROYED Hillary.

Don't let the media and B.O. do the same thing to another woman candidate!! STAND UP AND FIGHT!! SARAH PALIN WOULD!!

Posted by: Lilian | September 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I predict that tonight Sarah will give a very polished and emotional testimonial. It will be shallow of content and high on emotion, but it will be very effective for rallying the "Hooray for the embryo" crowd.

Posted by: :^) | September 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Lets face it Bush, and Cheney got over like fat rats.

Posted by: brock | September 3, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

jim syar:

Here in California, our Governor has to make tough budget choices too. It's all part of that EXECUTIVE experience that neither Obama nor Biden have.

brock:

That's not what the study said. What's wrong with rewarding those who stay in the service longer with MORE benefits?

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney is laughing all the way to the Bank of Dubai

Posted by: brock | September 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

When will Dick speak?

Posted by: brock | September 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"If something happens to McCain do we really want a mom with five kids to ANSWER THE PHONE AT 3:00 AM."

Yes.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 2:21 PM
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At 3:00 AM she will be too tired to answer the phone, because the baby did not sleep, Bristol was complained of cramps, and Todd got drunk and was staggering to the microwave to warm a beef burrito from 7-Eleven.

Posted by: :^) | September 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Thompson is another old fool and failed Republican politician. But Republicans DO love their celebrities. How many actors did the Dems put on stage? They had a lot to choose from but they chose to talk about the issues facing America. McCain's campaign manager says that this elecyion isn't about issues, it's about how Americans 'feel' about the candidate! Gotta love those touchy feely Republicans.

McCain's first executive decision was reckless, impulsive and dangerous. So like Bush it's scary.

Bush/Cheney/McCain. No More Years.

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Dick Cheney put the country club first.

Posted by: brock | September 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Besides, Crist has even LESS time as Governor than Palin

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 2:23 PM
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Agreed, but at least he lives in accord with his family values.

Posted by: :^) | September 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse


Sarah Palin Slashed Special Needs Education by 62%


For those of you who seem so enamored with Gov. Sarah Palin, it might be worth noting that she oversees the budget for the Department of Education and Early Development Special Schools in Alaska.
These funds provide supplementary educational services to students with severe disabling conditions and the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. The resident school where the child would normally be placed does not have the resources to provide an adequate educational program. Without the supplementary services the child's needs would not be met by the local school district in most cases.
The following programs are included within this component:
Special Education Service Agency (SESA)

The Annual budget for 2007, which preceded Gov. Palin was $8,265,300.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf

The Annual budget for 2008, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf

The Annual budget for 2009, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf


This is a cut in special needs services to children in Alaska of 5,109,300 , or 62%.

So, as the Alaska State Budget description states, "Without the supplementary services the child's needs would not be met by the local school district in most cases."

Did 62% of all of the special needs children in Alaska stop having needs once Gov. Palin took office?

Before we get so excited about Gov. Palin bringing her "Reformer" agenda to Washington, perhaps we should get to know a little more about what exactly that means to our children, and the opportunities that she would "Reform".

If you ask me, a 62% cut in these funds, which we all know are so desperately scarce, and for which we all have to fight tooth and nail for our children, is a disgrace.

Just a thought...

Posted by: jim syar | September 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Jake

Retention rate? come on it will be a great recruiting tool.

Posted by: brock | September 3, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

brock:

Because his version of the GI Bill was better in terms of retention rates and actually provided MORE benefits than Webb's version for those who served longer.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Just heard the DNC and Obama camp are so threatened by GOP new VP Gov. Palin that they may target and physically hurt her supporters!!! Unbelievable.... Apparently that is why he is going on FOX's O'Reilly Show tomorrow night to counter McCain's nomination speech even though he flunks without teleprompters and in debates. As a sharp critic of DNC and Obama, should we worry about our family's safety too?

BTW, the true story behind her firing the state trooper, her ex-brother in law is, he was beating his wife and children with his police taser and threatened her Palin's father as well. So her ex-brother in law was beating up her sister, niece and nephews and her father. When this story goes out, Gov. Palin may become a national heroine...

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Did you hear this from Janey at the Food Court. OMG!! I heard that she and Ken are totally through...well I just, like, cannot believe it!

ummm, stupid...let me fill you in on something. Gov't officials are under a code of ethics. We don't get to pick and choose when we follow them. Rule no.1, you don't use your public office for private gain and that gain is imputed to family members as well. It is wrong, no matter even if that story word for word is true - those are criminal actions that would be handled by the police.

Posted by: your source for news - anonymous.com | September 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If McCain really wanted to catch Bin laden should he have made that I will follow him into the gates of hell before we go into iraq

Posted by: brock | September 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

:-)

I was addressing Biden's hypothetical about no one in Florida would walk up to me and say, 'Joe the economy is doing great'

(Besides, Crist has even LESS time as Governor than Palin -- funny how that argument never came up before -- maybe Hillary was on to something about that "highest glass ceiling").

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

If McCain was for Vets why did he vote against the new G.I. Bill?

Posted by: brock | September 3, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"If something happens to McCain do we really want a mom with five kids to ANSWER THE PHONE AT 3:00 AM."

Yes.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist (Governor of Florida) is not talking down the economy.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 2:02 PM
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Too late, Palin is already McCain's soul-mate.

Posted by: :-) | September 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I would like to say if McCain put the country first why did vote against the Leahy amendment 3292 war fraud and profiteering. June 16th 2004.

Posted by: Brock | September 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh is a Florida resident, as well, who is doing fairly O.K. per his last contractual deal (I could keep going ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I hope that every woman in the USA realizes that McCain is just trying to use them so he can win. I don't have anything against Ms. Palin but MY GOD!!!! If something happens to McCain do we really want a mom with five kids to ANSWER THE PHONE AT 3:00 AM. I don't think so!!!!! One of the things that everyone liked and still likes about Hillary is the fact that she is a woman but not just a regular woman. She is a woman with so much experience to take this country as our next President. But the reality is that we are not ready for a woman to be our President because if we were Hillary would be the one. Not some hockey mom with 5 kids and ready to be a granny. I am voting for OBAMA!!!!!! Now, I can see clear that Obama and Biden are the ones that will take this country were it needs to be. We need a CHANGE and Obama is the one that will bring that to us. He is already giving us a Legacy of Hope that we need to make the right decision on Nov. 4.

God Bless America.

Posted by: GUATEMALA-4-OBAMA | September 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Just heard the DNC and Obama camp are so threatened by GOP new VP Gov. Palin that they may target and physically hurt her supporters!!! Unbelievable.... Apparently that is why he is going on FOX's O'Reilly Show tomorrow night to counter McCain's nomination speech even though he flunks without teleprompters and in debates. As a sharp critic of DNC and Obama, should we worry about our family's safety too?

BTW, the true story behind her firing the state trooper, her ex-brother in law is, he was beating his wife and children with his police taser and threatened her Palin's father as well. So her ex-brother in law was beating up her sister, niece and nephews and her father. When this story goes out, Gov. Palin may become a national heroine...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Biden sure can ramble on sometimes. He does have that habit of making jokes and drawing parallels that only he gets in his head. Still, I think Biden will smoke Palin in a debate. Her time in front of the local TV cameras in Wasilla and Alaska and reading prepared statements from the McCain camp is going to be no match against Biden and taking questions from a panel of tough, national moderators.

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist (Governor of Florida) is not talking down the economy.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

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