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Candidate Interviews Get '60 Minutes' of Prime-Time Attention

Updated 7:37 p.m.
By Michael D. Shear
Republican presidential nominee John McCain said tonight that Andrew M. Cuomo, the Democratic attorney general of New York and a member of Bill Clinton's Cabinet, is a person he could see replacing Christopher Cox as the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Cuomo's selection, McCain said, would "restore some credibility and lend some bipartisanship to this effort."

McCain's remark came during a broadcast of CBS's "60 Minutes" that was dedicated entirely to interviews with McCain and his Democratic rival, Barack Obama.

McCain also promised to move the White House's office of political affairs -- an office formerly headed by Karl Rove and targeted by a key congressional Democrat for budget cuts -- out of the federal government and into the Republican National Committee's control.

"It's time to show the American people that politics will not be part of this massive effort we're going to have to go on, to restore our nation's economy," McCain said.

Obama said that he believes his biracial identity will be "a wash" when it comes to Election Day, despite what he said has been "millions" of dollars spent trying to "scare people" about his candidacy.

"Now are there going to be some people who don't vote for me because I'm black? Of course," he said. "There are probably some African Americans who are voting for me because I'm black. Or maybe others who are just inspired by the idea of breaking new ground. And so I think all that's a wash."

Obama also addressed criticism that he's not experienced enough.

"One of the things I'm good at is getting people in a room with a bunch of different ideas, who sometimes violently disagree with each other, and finding common ground and a sense of common direction," he said. "And that's the kind of approach that I think prevents you from making some of the enormous mistakes that we've seen over the last eight years."

Both candidates sounded themes that their campaigns have put into ads. Obama criticized McCain for his continued support for the Iraq war, and McCain blasted Obama for wanting to raise taxes on people who make more than $250,000.

Asked whether the economic troubles mean that the Bush administration has failed, McCain said, "I say the Bush administration has failed. I say the Congress has failed, Democrats and Republicans. I remind you the Democrats have had the majority in Congress for the last two years. So everybody's failed."

Obama, too, criticized Bush, linking him to McCain on the war.

"According to the McCain mythology, I guess the Iraq war started with the surge," Obama said. "They seem to forget that there were five years before that where they got everything wrong."

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The US is filled with partisan morons.

Posted by: Jeff | September 25, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Cuomo needs to be investigated for believing he can operate outside the law for personal reasons. For over 2 years he has harassed and threatened my friend Denise who is a NYC yoga teacher. They met personally and when she found out he was setting her up to compete for his personal attention she tried to walk away. This is when Cuomo let her know through arcane messages that he would destroy her life and career in NY if she did not comply. First he squashed her identity theft credit card case being investigated by Dectective Paul Arroyo of the 28 Precinct NYC. Then he blocked Attorney Alfonao DeCicco from advising her when she was trying to keep her apt she rented from a co-op owner. Without advise, she lost her home and it costs large amounts of time and money to move. In both cases the men were told the AG's office would take over and they were to no longer correspond with her. Also he pressured her HMO doctor, Elizabeth Uchitelle, so badly that this helped the doctor to decide to close her office and go elsewhere. As Cuomo now scrambles to cover his tracks because he knows Denise has evidence regarding these scenerios, the mentioned professionals may be in fear of coming forward because of pressure from him to take down their businesses or jobs, but Denise has the paper work, voice mails and emails to prove this things happened. She wants a peaceful life as a yoga practitioner and has not yet come forward, but I urge her to do so. This man should be accountable for his actions. Let's have him show full disclosure and transparency. It's time to shine the light on this deceptive public official. Cuomo is not above the law. Do we honestly want an official who is breaking public trust and making decisions based on personal ego first?

Posted by: Gina | September 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I second that motion for the 700 billion dollar check to be giving to Hobo's of America.

Posted by: Mrs. Hobo's | September 22, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Wall Street Executives and the Bush Cronies on Wall Street ripped you off Americans.

How you can't see this is beyond me? How can you be so idiotic? You people are getting ripped off right in front of your face.

Bush stated with a surplus of 650 billion dollars. Now your in the hole in the amount of 11 trillion dollars.

Wars, High Prices in every part of you buying power. Foreclosers at record numbers. You are a bunch of working stiffs that reminds me of a famous cartoon.

A BUGS LIFE!

Posted by: KING ANT | September 22, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Dear Congress,

I have a sound plan to stimulate our economy. I promise to bring our economy back in the positive. I promise to creat jobs for the non working people. I promise to make sure that when we all wake up. We will feel better about our country.

I'm asking you to send me a blank check worth 700 Billions dollars. So that I can deposit it in my account to get this task at hand in motion.

You can trust in me that when I receive this blank check worth 700 billion dollars! We will all be happy with my results.

Thank You!

Posted by: Hobo's of America | September 22, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Dear Congress,

I have a sound plan to stimulate our economy. I promise to bring our economy back in the positive. I promise to creat jobs for the non working people. I promise to make sure that when we all wake up. We will feel better about our country.

I'm asking you to send me a blank check worth 700 Billions dollars. So that I can deposit it in my account to get this task at hand in motion.

You can trust in me that when I receive this blank check worth 700 billion dollars! We will all be happy with my results.

Thank You!

Posted by: Hobo's of America | September 22, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

MCPALIN THANKS BUT NO THANKS TO THAT BRIDGE TO PROTEST IRAN LEADER.

Posted by: JEWISH LEAGUE | September 22, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Mario Cuomo is NOT who McCain would choose - we all know that. Phil Gramm is his guy. He just wanted to sound bi-partisan for 60 Minutes.
And would Mario Cuomo eer work for a McCain administration? I sure would like to hear the answer tho THAT! He is a Democrat to the bone, and one who respects education over nasty rhetoric and feeble lies. Hey, let's ask Mr. Cuomo who HE supports for President? (It's OBAMA!)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

LOOK AT THE REPUBLICANS RUN AND HIDE WHEN THE TRUTH COMES OUT!

REPUBLICANS CAN'T DEAL WITH SEEING THE TRUTH!

REPUBLICANS CAN'T DEAL WITH SEEING THE TRUTH!

REPUBLICANS RUN AND HIDE WHEN THE TRUTH STARES THEM IN THE FACE!

NO WAY THEY CAN'T SATND TO SEE THE TRUTH.. MAN UP REPUBLICANS MAN UP!

HANDLE THE TRUTH HANDLE THE TRUTH.

4,150 U.S. SOLDIERS DIE FOR MCBUSH OIL STOCK.

4,150 U.S. SOLDIERS DIE AND LEAVE THEIR KIDS MOTHERLESS AND FATHERLESS FOR THE SAKE OF OIL STOCK.

4,150 U.S. SOLDIERS DIE FOR JOHN MCCAIN PROSPERITY.

DID THE SURGE WORK? OH YEAH IT WORKED.

CAR BOMB KILLS 60+ PEOPLE SATURDAY IN PAKISTAN.

DID THE SURGE WORK? OH YEAH..100'S INJURED IN CAR BOMBING IN PAKISTAN SATURDAY.

SURGE WORKED RIGHT REPUBLICANS? SURGE WORKED FOR THE 60+ PEOPLE KILLED THIS SATURDAY RIGHT REPUBLICANS?

SHOUT IT OUT REPUBLICANS...WE WON THE WAR RIGHT?

4,150 U.S. SOLDIERS KILLED IN IRAQ...WE LOVE THE SURGE JOHN MCCAIN VOTED FOR.

WE LOVE JOHN MCCAIN FOR SENDING THE 4,150 U.S. SOLDIERS WHO DIED TO SAVE OUR OIL IN IRAQ.

Posted by: YEAH RIGHT! | September 22, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Posted by: GREEN BAY | September 22, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

DID MITT ROMNEY FORGET ABOUT THE KEATING 5?

Posted by: JOE SMOE | September 22, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Let WALL STREET save themselves...
Executives should pay back their BONUSES that amounted to BILLIONS OF DOLLARS!

Why should tax dollars be used when these Republican EXECUTIVE's took all that money!

HELL NO..NO BAIL OUT..HELL NO..NO BAIL OUT..HELL NO...NO BAIL OUT...HELL NO...NO BAIL OUT!

Posted by: MISSISSIPPI | September 22, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

No bail out unless you sign our deal Republicans. You are not going to get something for nothing. Our Americans will not be pawns in your game of deceit.

Admit that the war was a mistake and the surge was a last ditch pitch for Republicans to win the WHITE HOUSE. You admit that...we'll sign your outrageous scandalous Bill for WALL STREET.

Posted by: CONGRESS | September 22, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Colorada was so beautiful. Barack put on a classy exceptants speech. But did you see Hillary. Twin city line was classy McBush are twins. Joe and Michelle all class acts. Democrats do your Country a favor VOTE Barack and silence these HOT AIR balloons.

Posted by: BILLCLINTON | September 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Lets VOTE Barack Obama..he is the right choice. He is the only man that can get us out of this mess.VOTE BARACK OBAMA

Posted by: MccainAllTheWay | September 22, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I appoligize, we must Vote Obama he is leading in the polls. I didn't realize that. Barack Obama is a must!VOTE OBAMA

Posted by: Trickor Treat | September 22, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Bill and HIllary are NOT for Obama. That is NEVER to be misunderstood. On The View he said he likes both of them (Obama and McCain) and respects both of them the same. That doesn't sound like typical Dem rheotric. There ya go!!

Posted by: BillClinton | September 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I am for Barack Obama so don't get confused. Barack Obama is leading in the polls. He is destine to become President. I say to you VOTE Obama!

Posted by: BILLCLINTON | September 22, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

anonymous, judging by the amount of time you spend posting, i clearly understand why you're voting for Obama. You're one of those who sit on your butt all day waiting for hand outs. Nice. Real nice.

Posted by: TrickorTreat | September 22, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Smother, you're an a** and the exact reason McCain will win this election. No one wants to support people with trash mentalities like you and Obama. Your post was childish. How old are you? 11? 12?

Posted by: McCainAllTheWay | September 22, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

anonymous, get a job! you've been spinning your nonsense without a break. The Dem's are just as responsible for this mess, wanting to put everyone in a home, regardless of their income. There's enough blame to go around from the consumer to the bank to the dem's to the repub's, etc. etc. lay off the blame game because Mr No-Experience Muslim Hussein absolutley has not clue on the economy. Why do you think he switched to the teleprompter during the economic crisis. duhhhhh

Posted by: Anonymous3 | September 22, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

DEMOCRATS DO YOURSELF A FAVOR...DO NOT RESPOND TO THE RACIST RHETORIC...THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE. THATS HOW THEY REACT WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY..STRAIGHT TRAILER TRASH...

Posted by: WHITE GIRLS | September 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

harrisco, i beg to differ. The Clintons et al would love to see McCain elected so Hillary can run again in 4. Make no mistake about that.

Posted by: BillClinton | September 22, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA LEADS IN THE POLLS...

NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL OUT

MAKE REPUBLICANS PAY FOR THEIR MESS!

4,150 U.S. TROOPS DEAD IN IRAQ.. THE SURGE WORKED...SATURDAY 60+ KILLED IN CAR BOMBING AND SCORES INJURED.

THE SURGE WORKED THANKS REPUBLICANS NOW I FEEL SAFER.

THE SURGE WORKED DON'T MIND THE 60+ KILLED THIS WEEKEND IN PAKISTAN THE SURGE WORKDED.

TELL US MCBUSH/PALIN ABOUT PAKISTAND AGAIN AND THE SURGE IN PAKISTAN, IRAQ, AFGANISTAN, IRAN TELL US HOW THE SURGE WORKED AGAIN. WE WON THE WAR?

OBAMA LEAD BY 5 POINTS...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL OUT NO BAIL

Posted by: DEMOCRATS | September 22, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Cuomo is the son of a former Democratic Governor of New York. He served in the Democratic administration of Bill Clinton. He is an elected Democrat in New York State. He endorsed Hillary Clinton in her race for the White House. I doubt Mr. Cuomo would be eager to see John McCain elected president. However, it is nice to know that he has someone better than Phil Gramm and Carly Fiorina in mind.

Posted by: HarrisCo | September 22, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

John McCain was a POW and it probably messed his brain up pretty good, but he's a hero and has a very rich wife, and that is very American to me. She is able to look into his little pink eyes, and I think she kisses him with his yellow teeth while they hold each other as best he can with his war wounded wings, and that is so beutiful, and she did this while he was married to someone else. I love this country and this wonderful American love story so much.

Posted by: M. Smother | September 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm impressed that we have a war and a bad economy, we should be proud, it is dificult to do. I wish I lived where John and Cindy live. That place looked nice. What ever happened to his first wife? I like white people better then black, that's just me. Oh well, I say to each it's own and stay that way. No regulations on anything I think. McCain for President.

Posted by: M. Smother | September 22, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I am a Christian

Posted by: M. Smother | September 22, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Dave from ME, McCain's running mate isn't running for President, Barrack Hussein is and Barrack Hussein was first in line for money. They should all pay the money back! Every one of them, Dem's and Rep's alike, so stop the bipartisan crap.

Posted by: PAVotesMcCain | September 22, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

the only thing I don't like about McCain, besides the yellow teeth, is his running mate Palin seems blacker then Obama. All the unmarried sex and the teenage pregnancies and the meth and oxy cotton drugs and the funny names Trig and Willow. I'm still voting for him because Cindy seems very white

Posted by: M. Smother | September 22, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

So sick, God is in all of us. The church and State have no right to judge, nor the people. My son is a Christian, I am not but we still talk every week. Just a 56 year old real dude.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 22, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and CHARLES DUHIGG
Published: September 21, 2008

Senator John McCain’s campaign manager was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations, current and former officials say.

Posted by: Dave from ME | September 22, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Charles, you can have your own foolish oppinion but you can not have your own facts. You are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Charles if you want to know THE TRUTH you must know Jesus Christ.

Posted by: harold | September 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonymous, what do you mean make the Republicans pay for the bail out? Obama was right up there collecting his money just weeks before the crash so your candidate and his cronies better be first in line and you better learn to read the facts!!

Posted by: Anon | September 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonymous, what do you mean make the Republicans pay for the bail out? Obama was right up there collecting his money just weeks before the crash so your candidate and his cronies better be first in line and you better learn to read the facts!!

Posted by: Anon | September 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonymous, what do you mean make the Republicans pay for the bail out? Obama was right up there collecting his money just weeks before the crash so your candidate and his cronies better be first in line and you better learn to read the facts!!

Posted by: Anon | September 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonymous, what do you mean make the Republicans pay for the bail out? Obama was right up there collecting his money just weeks before the crash so your candidate and his cronies better be first in line and you better learn to read the facts!!

Posted by: Anon | September 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I apologize for the strange nature of my recent entries. I'm just countering the manipulations of the religious right using scriptural texts which have been misapplied to support neocon injustices. Finding rational agreement with the irrational is challenging.
My previous entry about Nardelli at 10:32 was completely rational.

Posted by: Charles | September 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

No difference in campaign tactics? Then I'll take experience, Thank You...

from the Washington Post-

Closing the Whopper Gap


By Ruth Marcus
Monday, September 22, 2008; Page A15

The symmetry of sin is suddenly looking more equal. Last week, I flayed John McCain for dishonesty -- flagrant and repeated dishonesty -- about Barack Obama's proposals. Obama was by no means blameless, I argued, but his lapses were nowhere near as egregious as his opponent's. I stand by everything I wrote.

But a series of new Obama attacks requires a rebalancing of the scales: Obama has descended to similarly scurrilous tactics on the stump and on the air. On immigration, Obama is running a Spanish-language ad that unfairly lumps McCain together with Rush Limbaugh -- and quotes Limbaugh out of context. On health care, Obama misleadingly accuses McCain of wanting to impose a $3.6 trillion tax hike on employer-provided insurance.

Obama has been furthest out of line, however, on Social Security, stooping to the kind of scare tactics he once derided....

To Democrats who worry about whether their nominee is willing to do whatever it takes to win: You can calm down.

marcusr@washpost.com

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

No difference in campaign tactics? Then I'll take experience, Thank You...

from the Washington Post-

Closing the Whopper Gap


By Ruth Marcus
Monday, September 22, 2008; Page A15

The symmetry of sin is suddenly looking more equal. Last week, I flayed John McCain for dishonesty -- flagrant and repeated dishonesty -- about Barack Obama's proposals. Obama was by no means blameless, I argued, but his lapses were nowhere near as egregious as his opponent's. I stand by everything I wrote.

But a series of new Obama attacks requires a rebalancing of the scales: Obama has descended to similarly scurrilous tactics on the stump and on the air. On immigration, Obama is running a Spanish-language ad that unfairly lumps McCain together with Rush Limbaugh -- and quotes Limbaugh out of context. On health care, Obama misleadingly accuses McCain of wanting to impose a $3.6 trillion tax hike on employer-provided insurance.

Obama has been furthest out of line, however, on Social Security, stooping to the kind of scare tactics he once derided....

To Democrats who worry about whether their nominee is willing to do whatever it takes to win: You can calm down.

marcusr@washpost.com

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonymous, what do you mean make the Republicans pay for the bail out? Obama was right up there collecting his money just weeks before the crash so your candidate and his cronies better be first in line and you better learn to read the facts!!

Posted by: Anon | September 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

More from the NBC News Pennsylvania Poll
9-22-08 46/44 Obama 2 % Lead

Support by party affiliation, among Democrats: Obama 72, McCain 17

Support by party affiliation, among Republicans: McCain 80, Obama 11

(17% of Pa. Democrats support McCain- Wow!)

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

.

wilsonmg_2000:
"I mean the readership of the Washington Post has got to be smarter than this!"

Speak for yourself.

.

Posted by: Billw | September 22, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

If there's no difference between Obama and McCain's truthfulness, I'll take experience, Thank You....

from the Washington Post-

Closing the Whopper Gap

By Ruth Marcus
Monday, September 22, 2008; Page A15

The symmetry of sin is suddenly looking more equal. Last week, I flayed John McCain for dishonesty -- flagrant and repeated dishonesty -- about Barack Obama's proposals. Obama was by no means blameless, I argued, but his lapses were nowhere near as egregious as his opponent's. I stand by everything I wrote.

But a series of new Obama attacks requires a rebalancing of the scales: Obama has descended to similarly scurrilous tactics on the stump and on the air. On immigration, Obama is running a Spanish-language ad that unfairly lumps McCain together with Rush Limbaugh -- and quotes Limbaugh out of context. On health care, Obama misleadingly accuses McCain of wanting to impose a $3.6 trillion tax hike on employer-provided insurance.

Obama has been furthest out of line, however, on Social Security, stooping to the kind of scare tactics he once derided...

To Democrats who worry about whether their nominee is willing to do whatever it takes to win: You can calm down.

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Harold-
Ronald6 Wilson6 Reagan6 was a false prophet who deceived many.

Posted by: Charles | September 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse


wilsonmg_2000:
"I mean the readership of the Washington Post has got to be smarter than this!"

Speak for yourself.

Posted by: JTR | September 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

usa3, harold, et.al.:

Ronald Wilson Reagan
123456 123456 123456
6 6 6

The anti-Christ appeals to the Religious Right, comes in his own name, and deceives many.

Posted by: charles | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Closing the Whopper Gap

By Ruth Marcus
Monday, September 22, 2008; Page A15

The symmetry of sin is suddenly looking more equal. Last week, I flayed John McCain for dishonesty -- flagrant and repeated dishonesty -- about Barack Obama's proposals. Obama was by no means blameless, I argued, but his lapses were nowhere near as egregious as his opponent's. I stand by everything I wrote.

But a series of new Obama attacks requires a rebalancing of the scales: Obama has descended to similarly scurrilous tactics on the stump and on the air. On immigration, Obama is running a Spanish-language ad that unfairly lumps McCain together with Rush Limbaugh -- and quotes Limbaugh out of context. On health care, Obama misleadingly accuses McCain of wanting to impose a $3.6 trillion tax hike on employer-provided insurance.

Obama has been furthest out of line, however, on Social Security, stooping to the kind of scare tactics he once derided....

To Democrats who worry about whether their nominee is willing to do whatever it takes to win: You can calm down.

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

From The Washington Post:

Closing the Whopper Gap

By Ruth Marcus
Monday, September 22, 2008; Page A15

The symmetry of sin is suddenly looking more equal. Last week, I flayed John McCain for dishonesty -- flagrant and repeated dishonesty -- about Barack Obama's proposals. Obama was by no means blameless, I argued, but his lapses were nowhere near as egregious as his opponent's. I stand by everything I wrote.

But a series of new Obama attacks requires a rebalancing of the scales: Obama has descended to similarly scurrilous tactics on the stump and on the air. On immigration, Obama is running a Spanish-language ad that unfairly lumps McCain together with Rush Limbaugh -- and quotes Limbaugh out of context. On health care, Obama misleadingly accuses McCain of wanting to impose a $3.6 trillion tax hike on employer-provided insurance.

Obama has been furthest out of line, however, on Social Security, stooping to the kind of scare tactics he once derided....

To Democrats who worry about whether their nominee is willing to do whatever it takes to win: You can calm down.

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

usa3, harold, et.al.:

Ronald Wilson Reagan
123456 123456 123456
6 6 6

The anti-Christ appeals to the Religious Right, comes in his own name, and deceives many.

Posted by: charles | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

usa3, harold, et.al.:

Ronald Wilson Reagan
123456 123456 123456
6 6 6

The anti-Christ appeals to the Religious Right, comes in his own name, and deceives many.

Posted by: 7 | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

If there's no difference between Obama and McCain's truthfulness, I'll take experience, Thank You.

Closing the Whopper Gap

By Ruth Marcus
Monday, September 22, 2008; Page A15

The symmetry of sin is suddenly looking more equal. Last week, I flayed John McCain for dishonesty -- flagrant and repeated dishonesty -- about Barack Obama's proposals. Obama was by no means blameless, I argued, but his lapses were nowhere near as egregious as his opponent's. I stand by everything I wrote.

But a series of new Obama attacks requires a rebalancing of the scales: Obama has descended to similarly scurrilous tactics on the stump and on the air. On immigration, Obama is running a Spanish-language ad that unfairly lumps McCain together with Rush Limbaugh -- and quotes Limbaugh out of context. On health care, Obama misleadingly accuses McCain of wanting to impose a $3.6 trillion tax hike on employer-provided insurance.

Obama has been furthest out of line, however, on Social Security, stooping to the kind of scare tactics he once derided.

To Democrats who worry about whether their nominee is willing to do whatever it takes to win: You can calm down.

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

usa3, harold, et.al.:

Ronald Wilson Reagan
123456 123456 123456
6 6 6

The anti-Christ appeals to the Religious Right, comes in his own name, and deceives many.

Posted by: charles | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Congress needs to deny Presidents Bush proposal to bail out Wall Street. Wall Street Executives needs to pay for their own mistakes.

These Executives needs to give back their BILLION dollar bonuses and help bail out their own asses.

Why should a Republican President ask Democratic followers to bail their asses out. Why don't they go to their own base supporters, keep us Democrats out of this sh*t.

Nancy Pelosi, please don't give these idiots our money. Please don't put us AMERICANS in the hole to save McBush's tail. WE HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS AND WE NEED TO DEMOCRATS.

These Republicans has done enough already, please don't do this. We are spending Billions on a war that John McCain VOTED for and he want to continue the same policies. I SAY HELL NO.

MAKE THE REPUBLICAN BILLIONAIRES PAY THIS MONEY BACK. WHO CARES IF THEY GO IN THE POOR HOUSE.

NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT,NO BAIL OUT!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Congress needs to deny Presidents Bush proposal to bail out Wall Street. Wall Street Executives needs to pay for their own mistakes.

These Executives needs to give back their BILLION dollar bonuses and help bail out their own asses.

Why should a Republican President ask Democratic followers to bail their asses out. Why don't they go to their own base supporters, keep us Democrats out of this sh*t.

Nancy Pelosi, please don't give these idiots our money. Please don't put us AMERICANS in the hole to save McBush's tail. WE HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS AND WE NEED TO DEMOCRATS.

These Republicans has done enough already, please don't do this. We are spending Billions on a war that John McCain VOTED for and he want to continue the same policies. I SAY HELL NO.

MAKE THE REPUBLICAN BILLIONAIRES PAY THIS MONEY BACK. WHO CARES IF THEY GO IN THE POOR HOUSE.

NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Congress needs to deny Presidents Bush proposal to bail out Wall Street. Wall Street Executives needs to pay for their own mistakes.

These Executives needs to give back their BILLION dollar bonuses and help bail out their own asses.

Why should a Republican President ask Democratic followers to bail their asses out. Why don't they go to their own base supporters, keep us Democrats out of this sh*t.

Nancy Pelosi, please don't give these idiots our money. Please don't put us AMERICANS in the hole to save McBush's tail. WE HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS AND WE NEED TO DEMOCRATS.

These Republicans has done enough already, please don't do this. We are spending Billions on a war that John McCain VOTED for and he want to continue the same policies. I SAY HELL NO.

MAKE THE REPUBLICAN BILLIONAIRES PAY THIS MONEY BACK. WHO CARES IF THEY GO IN THE POOR HOUSE.

NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT,NO BAIL OUT!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

If there's no difference between Obama and McCain's truthfulness, I'll take experience, Thank You....

from the Washington Post-

Closing the Whopper Gap

By Ruth Marcus
Monday, September 22, 2008; Page A15

The symmetry of sin is suddenly looking more equal. Last week, I flayed John McCain for dishonesty -- flagrant and repeated dishonesty -- about Barack Obama's proposals. Obama was by no means blameless, I argued, but his lapses were nowhere near as egregious as his opponent's. I stand by everything I wrote.

But a series of new Obama attacks requires a rebalancing of the scales: Obama has descended to similarly scurrilous tactics on the stump and on the air. On immigration, Obama is running a Spanish-language ad that unfairly lumps McCain together with Rush Limbaugh -- and quotes Limbaugh out of context. On health care, Obama misleadingly accuses McCain of wanting to impose a $3.6 trillion tax hike on employer-provided insurance.

Obama has been furthest out of line, however, on Social Security, stooping to the kind of scare tactics he once derided.

To Democrats who worry about whether their nominee is willing to do whatever it takes to win: You can calm down.

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Congress needs to deny Presidents Bush proposal to bail out Wall Street. Wall Street Executives needs to pay for their own mistakes.

These Executives needs to give back their BILLION dollar bonuses and help bail out their own asses.

Why should a Republican President ask Democratic followers to bail their asses out. Why don't they go to their own base supporters, keep us Democrats out of this sh*t.

Nancy Pelosi, please don't give these idiots our money. Please don't put us AMERICANS in the hole to save McBush's tail. WE HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS AND WE NEED TO DEMOCRATS.

These Republicans has done enough already, please don't do this. We are spending Billions on a war that John McCain VOTED for and he want to continue the same policies. I SAY HELL NO.

MAKE THE REPUBLICAN BILLIONAIRES PAY THIS MONEY BACK. WHO CARES IF THEY GO IN THE POOR HOUSE.

NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT, NO BAIL OUT,NO BAIL OUT!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse


wilsonmg_2000:
What exactly is the good reason to believe Obama is untrustworthy? Further, what exactly is Un-American about giving money to a church as many Americans do every Sunday?

He supported a man who supports Farrakhan. Is birds of a feather beyond your understanding?

Posted by: JTR | September 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

usa3: You are a fulfillment of "many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

Posted by: harold | September 22, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Dear Washington Post,
Please please please but a word count maximum on these posts!!!! Please............

Posted by: MM | September 22, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Palin is the Anti-Christ. Palin-McCain will win easily in November because it is preordained. The prophecy will be fulfilled!

Posted by: usa3 | September 22, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Investment firms are failing because homeowners can't pay their mortgages. They can't pay because their wages have fallen behind the cost of living by a factor of four in one generation. Homeowners have lost real income because corporate income has shifted to the top executives from 20 times worker pay to 500 times worker pay.

Here is one example: Robert Nardelli was CEO of Home Depot during the 8 year construction boom. When he left, Home Depot stock was worth less than when he started. Yet, he received a $250,000,000 severance package for his remarkable failure. Keep in mind his company put mom and pop hardware stores with expert staff out of business, and replaced them with minimum wage novices, and still lost money. If you're feeling sorry for Nardelli, stop. He's now C.E.O. of Chrysler.

There's a bill in congress to allow stockholders to make a non-binding statement when executive pay is unreasonable, but "conservatives" are fighting it. Keep in mind, stockholders, not executives, actually own the company and should have some say in executive pay. These guys get away with murder because well meaning conservative voters trust them too much.

If we tax payers are bailing these greedy incompetents out, then we must insist their CEO pay is not more than twenty times what their workers make.

McCain is too thoroughly immersed in the corrupt culture of Wall Street to see that his impulsive solutions are just more of the same.

Also, beware of desperate measures in desperate times. See naomiklein.org or read "Shock Doctrine". Awareness of this phenomenon is urgently needed.

Posted by: Charles | September 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

SHEEP DOG: Regrettable in the war against terrorism 4150 died to protect their country...your freedom. ABOMINABLE: An average of over 4000 babies A DAY have been MURDERED since 1973 and YOU APPROVE OF THAT! "As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly." Proverbs 26:11

Posted by: harold | September 22, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

To all those Obama supporters who call McCain a warmonger etc. and laud Obama on his stance against the war when he was running for the Senate in a very liberal district - Just what has Obama done to help stop the war and bring the troops home long ago? What steps have any of the democrats taken in their past two years of controlling the House and Senate? They gained those seats during the election on the promise to end the war. So are we to assume then that Democrats are just as big liars as they claim republicans to be when they say they will do anything to get elected? If Obama was so against this, and he claims he is the voice of change, then why has he not voted once against anything to do with war funding etc.? He could have given any of his high flung oratories on the Senate floor about supporting the troops but not being able to fund them standing on "his principles" of not believing in this war of choice and wanting to bring them home. But no, he chose the easy way showing no moral belief in his convictions and voted almost identically to Hillary whom he and his supporters ridiculed for her war stance, yet he picks Biden who also voted for the war. So what exactly does Obama believe in re the war, his principles and when to exercise them or when it is better for his political future to just ignore them and go with the flow? I am having a hard time telling.

Posted by: justmyvoice | September 22, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA TIED WITH MCCAIN IN FLORIDA!

Posted by: SHEEP DOG | September 22, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I like Obama's take on the economy he sounded more credible on that. A little increase in tax on the rich won't hurt we need it.

Posted by: Obi Mpiagidigidi | September 22, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

TALIBAN KILL 60 WITH CAR BOMB...SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 20,2008. SCORES INJURED AT HOTEL.

WOW SURGE IS WORKING HUH MCCAIN?

AMERICANS THE SURGE I ENDORESD HAS STOP THE WAR..

WE WON THE WAR AMERICANS..THIS IS JOHN MCCAIN.."MY FRIENDS" I ENDORSE THIS AD!

Posted by: SHEEP DOG | September 22, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

WWW.CSPANJUNKIE.ORG

THE MOTHER OF ALL BAILOUTS! SOCIALIST TACTIC. $700 BILLION U.S. TAX DOLLARS!

4,150 U.S. TROOPS DIE IN IRAQ.

MCCAIN WOLF IN SHEEP CLOTHING.

Posted by: SHEEP DOG | September 22, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

So Obama thinks his race is a "wash"? Sorry, but if that is the case, then why did he allow so many of his supporters to go out and trash a Senator and ex President of his own party as bigots and racists? If he is not banking on an almost 95% African American vote then he would be in far more trouble in some states than he is in. He is the one constantly bringing up his race to say that the Republicans will do so when they hadn't. Why does he boast of trying to start massive voter drives to sign up "African Americans"? If Obama cannot be honest about this fact that has been so evident and visible in his campaign, then he has started of this whole season on a lie right from the beginning. I would also like to ask him personally to answer a question many people have and no democrat will ever address as if it is the big secret that needs to be kept in the closet - -"Mr. Obama, when you accepted your win to the Senate in 2004 and were interviewed about whether you would be on the national ticket in 08, you responded that in order to apply for a job, you were the kind that still felt you had to be qualified first, therefore you would not be running since you didn't have the experience. So do we believe you then or now after just a short span of 2 years later when you announced your candidacy?"

Posted by: justmyvoice | September 22, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

MCCAIN ORDERED 4,150 TROOPS TO THEIR DEATH. AND "MY FRIENDS" I ENDORSE THIS AD!

Posted by: SHEEP DOG | September 22, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has ties to Crooks and Radicals:

Wright/Ayers/Rezko/Kilpatrick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0cq4Nytu8

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama showed strength with the millions of voters backing him. Some people don't know how to take that.

But I understand because "CHANGE" is hard to except. But after a while you will get over it.

Remember your first day of kindergarten? It will be something like that and soon after, it will be as if mommy was always there!

Posted by: TRUE DEMOCRAT | September 22, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

THERE YOU GO AGAIN IN TYPICAL BARRACK HUSSEIN FASHION, SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL, SCREAMING WITH YOUR CAPITAL LETTERS. ROFL!!! Entertainment!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Let their records speak loudly. Being reported on the news as I type:
McCain requested "zero" earmarks. I say ZERO earmarks.
Senator Barack Hussein Obama released a list of $740 million in earmarked spending requests that he had made over the last three years.
Imagine what Obama could have done had he been a Senator, not campaigning, for as long as McCain. That number would be staggering!!!

Posted by: Earmarks | September 22, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

MCCAIN IS A WOLF IN SHEEP CLOTHING..AND I CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM MY HOUSE!

MCCAIN PART OF THE 4,150 DEAD U.S. SOLDIERS IN IRAQ. "MY FRIENDS" AND I APPROVE THIS AD!

Posted by: SHEEP DOG | September 22, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

td, you have lots to learn. your new day is coming. might as well pack your bags now. mccain/palin will put america first and you'll be glad for them.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Just in: The White House fired back at Obama's Wall Street criticism. Bush warned about Fannie and Freddie 17 times since 2002. McCain has been warning for 2 years. Where has Obama been? Oh yeah, campaigning. That selfish thing he does so well.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

regardless of who you think I am. or who you think I may be. lets get something straight right here and right now! McBush is in the dog house with the rest of the country. and its showing in number...but rest assure republicans aka/democrats...

you will be waking up to a brand new day. and that day will be "CHANGE"

Posted by: TRUE DEMOCRAT | September 22, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

SheepDog, $700B, to begin with this won't be McCain's decision nor will it be Bush's decision unilaterally. There will be Dem's and Rep's and Ind's analyzing this. Many people much smarter than you or I. Two choices, bail out or not. Not bailing will crash the market which I support. Bail out will save the market, which I support. This is a no win no matter how you slice it. You are typical, catch 22. As long as they do what is best for the people, I'm in. You may think that crashing the market won't affect you, but it will. Just because you have no money in the market, is very selfish. Yes, you do fit in well with Obama ... selfish. I'll vote McCain/Palin any day ... Country First.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

BARACK OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN IS THE ONLY CHOICE. IF THESE FOOLS WANT TO WASTE THEIR VOTE ON MCBUSH? WHO RALLY CARES! SO ANYWAY AS I WAS SAYING 700 BILLION DOLLARS IS'NT THAT A SOCIALIST TACTIC...REPUBLICANS WHAT? SAY IT AINT SO?

YOU MAY BE A LOVER BUT YOU AINT NO DANCER!

Posted by: SHEEP DOG | September 22, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Quote of the Week: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites" - Senator Barack Hussein Obama (Again, not a shocker!)

Posted by: BillClinton | September 22, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

TrueDemocrat (aka SheepDog) ... nice try! HA! ROFL!! Like I said, entertainment!!! You having fun posing as someone else just to support yourself? Point made. Vote McCain!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Quote: "I think he can be ready, but right now, I don't think he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on the job training." - Senator Joe Biden (If his own running mate has doubts about whether he's ready for the job... shouldn't you?)

Posted by: FromJoeBiden | September 22, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

sheep dog and daffy, I'm with you guys. we can't have anymore of this kind leadership anymore. if you want to be happy over the change thats coming? I'm with you 100%. lets these other haters of change shoot their rhetoric. we need a change, they are just afraid to admit it. the polls don't really show the true number of people who care what OBAMA is saying. some of these people don't even have computers. thats what these fools are afraid of. rather than speaking to you...they just want to put you guys down. but they really know the truth of the matter. there are alot of minorities that going to vote for Obama. and the only way these knuckles heads can respond is with sarcasm!

GO OBAMA

Posted by: TRUE DEMOCRAT | September 22, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"Like a lot of folks in this state I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them?? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass.

Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?????

Posted by: FairTesting | September 22, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

ooops, I changed my mind ... after reading all the posts I found reason to change my mind and support McCain!!

I'm supporting the McCain/Palin ticket! They will be best for America!!

Thanks for the posts!

Posted by: SheepDog | September 22, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Hey BellyFlop, yes change is coming!! It's called "America First" .. McCain/Palin! I am still not hearing anything more than YELLING IN CAPITAL LETTERS. GEEEEEZE, CAN I PLAY TOO? HA! HA! LIKE I SAID, ENTERTAINMENT! ROFL!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Check out the October surprise from Mr Obama who manages his campaign by the poll of the day. He doesn't care about "America First" ... all he cares about is making history:

Sources are reporting that around the first week of October, look for Barack Obama to admit he made ANOTHER MISTAKE when he forces Joe Biden to step down as his Vice Presidential candidate to make room for Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden will be forced to state that he is stepping down for " health reasons" but we all KNOW THE TRUTH. We originally supported Hillary Clinton but WILL NOT SUPPORT a forced ticket of Obama/Clinton. Barack Hussein Obama's poor choices, stupid comments and dumb decisions have plagued his election attempt. Lets keep this idiot out of the Whitehouse!

Posted by: BillClinton | September 22, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

THE TRUE QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASK YOURSELF IS WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF CHANGE?

THAT IS THE QUESTION?

AS FAR AS RACIST...OR IN YOUR WORDS RACE CARD!

YOU CAN FLIP FLOP THE RACE ISSUE ALL YOU WANT. FACT OF THE MATTER IS? YOUR OUT NUMBERED! IT MAY SEEM LIKE A RACE CARD IS BEING PLAYED.

ITS FUNNY HOW YOU RACIST, WHEN YOU FEEL DEFEAT COMING. YOU SAY RACE CARD, AS IF THAT'S YOUR ONLY RESPONSE.

BY THE WAY, THIS IS EXCITEMENT. IF YOU PERCEIVE THIS AS YELLING THAN STEP BACK.

BECAUSE CHANGE IS A COMING..TO A TOWN NEAR YOU!

Posted by: DOING BACKFLIPS | September 22, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Scott, finally some substance. Thank you. These Obamamaniacs go nuts with rhetoric and bullsh**. Amazing. Thanks for the post. The only thing these posts are good for is venting during PMS! ha!! The Obamamaniacs have been great entertainment and stress relievers.

Posted by: PittBull | September 22, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

SheepDog, what I find amusing is that McCain didn't cause the economic crisis. He's the one who warned this was going to happen. duhhhhh, the dem's won't listen, just like on these posts. No matter what Bush does with the economy now to stop the bleeding, he's going to be criticized, HENCE, somehow John McCain will be responsible?! You amaze me with your total lack of intelligence.

Posted by: BullDog | September 22, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Daffy, you are daffy! I have no idea what your ramblings were saying? I found no substance to make me even consider voting for Obama ... at least I think that's who you were trying to support in your ramblings?

Posted by: CollinPowell | September 22, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

7 BILLION DOLLAR RESCUE? IS'NT THAT A SOCIALIST TACTIC? REPUBLICANS SAY IT AINT SO?

YOU MAY BE A LOVER BUT YOU AINT NO DANCER!

SORRY MCCAIN...YOUR WOLF TAIL IS PROTRUDING YOUR SHEEP SKIN COSTUME!

Posted by: SHEEP DOG | September 22, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

What I find amusing on these sites is that the Obama supporters scream and yell and threaten and of course use the race card. The republicans innundate with facts, education, and record.

Question is: Should I vote with those who use their brains, or sharp tongues?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

THEM DAYS OF CROSS BURNING TO CAUSE FEAR IS ALL GONE BOY...ALL GONE!

LIKE BUGS BUNNY SAY'S..IF YOU CAN'T BEAT THEM..YOU MIGHT ASWEL JOIN THEM!

ITS NOT HAPPENING ANYMORE...YOU CAN PUT HATE INTO YOUR OWN KIND...

BUT THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES UNDERSTAND THAT FOOLISH GAME YOU PLAY!

SAY HELLO TO A BRAND NEW DAY...SAY HELLO TO CHANGE!

Posted by: DAFFY DUCK | September 22, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

The Dude will fix you all up big time. Foolish foolish people.
Not one good unscripted debate with Ms pretty. You are no longer the world leaders, the party is over. Must give you all credit. You sure know how to take a beating. Yes the world is watching the down fall pf America.

Posted by: Justadad55+ | September 22, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

The Atlantic
September 18, 2008
An economist explains why he thinks McCain's economic policies make more sense
by Steven Landsburg

(Steven E. Landsburg (born 1954) is an American professor of economics at the University of Rochester in Rochester, New York. From 1989 to 1995, he taught at Colorado State University.)


Betting on John McCain

My whole life I've been mystified by the concept of the "undecided voter." I've never had any problem choosing my candidates and didn't see how anyone else could either. But this year, I've been genuinely on the fence, partly because I haven't been paying close attention, and partly because there seemed ample reason to dislike all of the options.
But over the past few days, as McCain and Obama have ratcheted up their rhetoric over each others' "disastrous" economic policies, I decided to do a little research. Along the way, I had a few surprises about John McCain's voting record, some but not all of them pleasant. Now I don't think I'm undecided anymore.
Here are some of the things that made my decision easy, and some that made it hard:
1. Free trade and immigration are my top issues, and McCain wins on both.
These are my top issues for several reasons. First, trade is the engine of prosperity not just for the United States but also for the poorest of the world's poor. Nothing matters more than that. Second, the instinct to care about the national origin of your trading partner (or employer, or employee, or landlord, or tenant) is an ugly one, and the instinct to care about the national origin of other people's trading partners—and on that basis to interfere forcibly with other people's voluntary transactions—is even uglier.
Finally, protectionism, like creationism, requires an extraordinary level of willful ignorance. The consensus for free trade among economists is approximately as solid as the consensus for evolution among biologists, and it is a consensus supported by a solid body of both theory and observation. To ignore that consensus betrays a degree of anti-intellectualism that frightens me.
McCain is quite good on this issue, not just in terms of rhetoric (which I've known for a while) but in terms of voting record (which I've just recently researched). Obama, by contrast, promises to be our first explicitly protectionist president since Herbert Hoover. Some intervening presidents (Reagan, Bush I, and to a lesser extent Bush II) have been weak in their commitments to free trade, but none between Hoover and Obama has so explicitly rejected it.
2. McCain is not Bush. This came as a surprise to me. I'd been assuming, in my ill-read, uneducated way, that McCain had been complicit in most of the great travesties of the Bush administration and the execrable Republican Senate. I've learned that's largely untrue. He voted (to my great surprise!) against the prescription drug entitlement, against the Farm Security Bill, against milk subsidies, against Amtrak subsidies, and against highway subsidies.
Obama, by contrast, is in many ways a continuation of Bush. Like Bush (only far more so ), Obama is fine with tariffs and subsidies. Like Bush, he wants to send jackbooted thugs into every meatpacking plant in America to rid the American workplace of anyone who happens to have been born on the wrong side of an imaginary line. Like Bush, he wants a more progressive tax code. (It is one of the great myths of 21st century that the Bush tax cuts made the tax code less progressive; the opposite is true. If you are in the bottom 38% of taxpayers, you now pay zero income tax—and therefore have an incentive to support any spending bill that comes down the pike.) Like Bush, he wants more regulation, not less.

3. But there's a lot about economics that McCain just doesn't get. This shows up most significantly in his energy policies. Every economist knows that the best way to discourage carbon emissions (or anything else for that matter) is to tax them. But McCain rejects a carbon tax in favor of one slightly inferior policy (cap and trade) and one grossly inferior policy (direct regulation, such as the CAFE standards for fuel efficiency).
In a world of perfect capital markets and perfect information, a cap-and-trade system (provided the government auctions off the permits rather than giving them away) is exactly equivalent to a carbon tax – same effect on everything down to and including the prices of consumer goods. In the real world we live in, it's inferior for two reasons: First, small firms might find it difficult=2 0to raise the necessary capital to buy a permit; this gives an inappropriate advantage to big firms over small ones. Second, I believe it will be harder (for technical reasons I won't go into here) to calculate the efficient number of cap-and-trade permits than to calculate the efficient per-ton carbon tax. Aside from that, the two policies are equivalent in every way. McCain presumably doesn't get this, or he wouldn't have such a strong preference for cap-and-trade.
Worse, he endorses the CAFE standards, which are just a terrible way to control carbon emissions. While a carbon tax gets incentives right at every decision point, fuel efficiency standards give people no incentive, for example, to bike to work instead of drive (in fact, they flip the incentive in the wrong direction). Worse yet, they concentrate brainpower on improving fuel efficiency when there might be far more effective ways to control carbon emissions; with a tax, all innovations are rewarded.
In his support of CAFE standards over carbon taxes, McCain betrays a serious failure to understand how incentives work. The same problem shows up when he thinks you can simply mandate campaign finance limits, as if people who are competing for control of a $15 trillion economy won't be creative enough to find some way to spend hundreds of millions in the effort, no matter how you write your laws.
4. McCain gets health care right. The reason poor Americans get too little health care is that rich Am ericans get too much. The reason rich Americans get too much is that they're overinsured, and therefore run to the doctor for minor problems. The reason they're overinsured is that employer-provided health benefits aren't taxed, so employers overprovide them.
It has been clear for decades that the single most effective way to control health care costs is to eliminate the tax break for employer-provided health care. According to one careful study by my colleague Charles Phelps (admittedly several years old, but I'm not sure anything relevant has changed), this single reform could reduce health care costs by 40% with essentially no effect on health care outcomes.
Essential as this reform may be, I'd always assumed it was a political non-starter. I was therefore astonished to learn that it's the essence of McCain's health care reform. (At the same time, he would give each individual $2500, and each family $5000, to use for health care.)
I am astonished that I hadn't heard about this, and particularly astonished that Barack Obama hasn't thrust it in my face with a negative spin. Possibly he has and I just wasn't paying attention. In any case, this is just what the doctor ordered, and I am delighted that McCain has put it on the table.
Obama, by contrast, wants poor people to get more medical care without addressing the problem of overuse by rich people. Where is that extra medical care going to come from? If the answer is "nowhere," then a primary effect of the Obama plan must be to raise prices, making doctors and hospitals the big beneficiaries.
Of course, there are other things that matter. Foreign and defense policy might matter more than anything, and if I were sure that one or the other candidate were far wiser about these issues, that might be enough to win my vote. But I have no expertise on these matters and no particular reason to trust my own judgment.
I'm sure I'm right about trade and pretty sure I'm right about taxes and health care, but that's because I've thought long and hard about these issues for decades. It seems to me that we ought to be humble about the things we haven't thought hard about, and for me that includes foreign policy. The best I can do is bet that whoever's getting most of the other stuff right is getting this right too.
The bottom line is that I support John McCain. With trepidation.

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

The Dude will fix you all up big time. Foolish foolish people.
Not one good unscripted debate with Ms pretty. You are no longer the world leaders, the party is over. Must give you all credit. You sure know how to take a beating. Yes the world is watching the down fall pf America. Enjoy your 60 minutes tonight then sign your fate.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 22, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

FACTCHECK.ORG-

Obama's Social Security Whopper
September 20, 2008
He tells Social Security recipients their money would now be in the stock market under McCain's plan. False.
Summary
In Daytona Beach, Obama said that "if my opponent had his way, the millions of Floridians who rely on it would've had their Social Security tied up in the stock market this week." He referred to "elderly women" at risk of poverty, and said families would be scrambling to support "grandmothers and grandfathers."

That's not true. The plan proposed by President Bush and supported by McCain in 2005 would not have allowed anyone born before 1950 to invest any part of their Social Security taxes in private accounts. All current retirees would be covered by the same benefits they are now.

Obama would have been correct to say that many workers under age 58 would have had some portion of their Social Security benefits affected by the current market turmoil – if they had chosen to participate. And market drops would be a worry for those who retire in future decades. But current retirees would not have been affected.

Analysis
In our "Scaring Seniors" article posted Sept. 19 we took apart a claim in an Obama-Biden ad that McCain somehow supported a 50 percent cut in Social Security benefits, which is simply false. Then, on Saturday Sept. 20, Sen. Barack Obama personally fed senior citizens another whopper, this one a highly distorted claim about the private Social Security accounts that McCain supports.


What Obama Said


In Daytona Beach, Florida, Obama said in prepared remarks released by the campaign:

Obama, Sept. 20: And I'll protect Social Security, while John McCain wants to privatize it. Without Social Security half of elderly women would be living in poverty - half. But if my opponent had his way, the millions of Floridians who rely on it would've had their Social Security tied up in the stock market this week. Millions would've watched as the market tumbled and their nest egg disappeared before their eyes. Millions of families would've been scrambling to figure out how to give their mothers and fathers, their grandmothers and grandfathers, the secure retirement that every American deserves. So I know Senator McCain is talking about a "casino culture" on Wall Street - but the fact is, he's the one who wants to gamble with your life savings.

That's untrue. All current retirees would be covered by exactly the same Social Security benefits they are now under what the Obama campaign likes to call the "Bush-McCain privatization plan," which Bush pushed for unsuccessfully in 2005.


Who Would Have Been Affected


As the White House spelled out at the time, on page 5 of the document titled "Strengthening Social Security for the 21st Century," released in February 2005:

Bush Plan: Personal retirement accounts would be phased in. To ease the transition to a personal retirement account system, participation would be phased in according to the age of the worker. In the first year of implementation, workers currently between age 40 and 54 (born 1950 through 1965 inclusive) would have the option of establishing personal retirement accounts. In the second year, workers currently between age 26 and 54 (born 1950 through 1978 inclusive) would be given the option and by the end of the third year, all workers born in 1950 or later who want to participate in personal retirement accounts would be able to do so.

Nobody born before Jan. 1, 1950 could have participated, and anyone born on that date would be 58 years old now. The earliest possible age for receiving Social Security retirement benefits is 62, for early retirement at reduced benefits. Full retirement age is currently 66, and scheduled to go up to age 67 in coming years.

It is certainly true that the stock market carries risks, as recent events remind us. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is down nearly 17 percent for this year, for example, and despite gains in other years it is still barely above where it was at the start of 2000. But historically there have also been rewards for those who make diversified investments and hold for long periods. When Obama spoke, the Dow Jones average still stood 305 percent higher than it had at the start of the 1990's.


Disappearing nest eggs?


Also worth noting here:

The private accounts would have been voluntary. Anybody fearful of the stock market's risk could simply stay in the current system.


Obama's reference to "casino culture," disappearing "nest eggs" and gambling with "your life savings" are also misleading exaggerations. Only a little over one-fourth of any workers' total Social Security taxes could have been invested (a maximum of 4 percent of taxable wages, out of the total 15.3 per cent now paid, split equally between worker and employer.)


Speculation in individual stocks would not have been permitted. Workers would have had a choice of a few, broadly diversified stock or bond funds.


While McCain has voted in favor creating private Social Security accounts in the past, and endorsed Bush's 2005 proposal (which never came to a vote in Congress), he is not making a strong push for them as part of his campaign. In fact, a search for the term "Social Security" on the McCain-Palin Web site brings up the following: "No documents were found."

Footnote: When we contacted the Obama campaign for comment, spokesman Tommy Vietor defended Obama's remarks as accurate:

Vietor: You don’t have to be retired to rely on Social Security. Millions of people who will one day retire rely on Social Security as they plan their future. Senator Obama's bottom line is absolutely true. If McCain got his way and we had private accounts . . . people who are relying on that money for their retirement would be in a very difficult situation.

We would grant Vietor a point if Obama had made any mention of workers being fearful of their future retirement (although this would apply only to those who had chosen to participate in private accounts, and not to everybody.) But Obama did not say that. Instead, he referred to "elderly women" in danger of poverty. He spoke of families "scrambling to figure out how to give their mothers and fathers, their grandmothers and grandfathers" a secure retirement – not to families worrying about their own retirement. If Obama did not mean what he said to be a reference to current retirees, he could say so clearly and amend his words.

-by Brooks Jackson
Sources
The White House, "Strengthening Social Security for the 21st Century," Feb 2005.

Dow Jones & Co. "Dow Jones Industrial Average Historical Performance" Spreadsheet accessed 20 Sep 2008.


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Posted by: scott | September 22, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

SHERRYKAY2004 DON'T YOU HAVE SOME MARY KAY TO PEDDLE?

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HATE WILL GET YOU WHITE RACIST FOLKS NOWHERE!

Posted by: TEAM AMERICA | September 22, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

MY PARENTS ARE BLACK AND WHITE. aLL MY FRIENDS ARE OF MIXED RACE...AND WE ARE A VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY LARGE NUMBERS.

HELL OUR NUMBERS OUT NUMBER THE WHITE FEMALES ALONE.

AND THE MINORITY GROUPS ALSO! THE WAY YOU WHITE RACIST BEEN TREATING YOU OWN FEMALE GENDER IS A SHAME.

BUT IF THE LIKE THE ABUSE MORE POWER TO THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE YOUR SH*T THOUGH.

AMERICA IS RIGHT...YOU ARE WAY OUT NUMBERED! SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!

IF YOU THINK THATS A LIE? THAN I HAVE SOME MOOSE ACREAGE IN ALASKA @ 29c. an ACRE!

Posted by: PAMPERS AND BABY MILK | September 22, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

So as expected screw up lying fake Democrat
Messiah Barack Hussein Obama reveals how
totally unprepared,completely unqualified,
and Incompetent to be President of the USA
and did so for all the world to see this
time. Obama is nothing with out his idiotic
teleprompter and Michelle Obama and Comrade
David Axelrod ordering him to do something.
And loud mouth old Joe Biden isnot any better. I'm Voting McCain/Palin in 2008.

Posted by: Sherry Kay2004 | September 22, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

THE ONLY RACE THATS GOING TO DETERMINE THIS RACE IS THE MINORITY RACE.

YOUR OUT NUMBERED RACIST...YOUR OUT NUMBERED 3 TO 1...HAVE YOU FOR GOTTEN HOW MANY MINORITY GROUPS ARE IN THE UNITED STATES!

YOU BETTER WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE..

YOU ALSO THOUGHT O.J. WAS GUILTY. ITS NOT HAPPENING. OBAMA HAS ALREADY TOOK THE HOUSE. JUST A MATTER OF TIME..LIKE NOV. 4!

MINORITY OUT NUMBER WHITE HATE GROUPS IN THIS COUNTRY...

Posted by: AMERICA | September 22, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Why is McCain losing steam, could it be that too much has come out about Palin? Is Sarah Palin's scandals finally pulling down the mccain ticket??
http://www.veeppeek.com

Quote from someone close to Palin.
"Im a redneck, if you got a problem with that Ill kick your a@@.
http://www.hotpres.com I dont know? She just doesnt seem presidential to me.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

There's nothing to understand about a Socialist economy ... Vote McCain! He's absolutely NOT 4 more years of Bush.

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 22, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama changes positions according to polls: Perhaps you can afford to pay more but those folks in the 31K-45K can not.
Obama’s give-and-take tax policy results in marginal tax rates of 34 percent to 39 percent in the $31,000 to $45,000 income range. That’s an increase of 13 percentage points or more from the current rates.
What accounts for the higher rates? First, Obama expands the maximum child and dependent care credit for families with one young child from $1,050 to $1,500 and phases down the credit over a longer income range, from $30,000 to $58,000. Throughout this income range, the credit is phasing out at a rate of $30 per $1,000 of income, thus raising the effective tax rate by 3 percentage points. Obama also makes certain credits refundable, which introduces a tax penalty of 10 percent or 15 percent, depending on the income bracket.
While Obama has publicly embraced a tax rate of 40 percent for couples earning over $350,000, his tax policies would result in a staggering 45 percent effective marginal rate in the $110,000 to $120,000 income range for this family. That is 11 percentage points higher than under current law. http://www.american.com/archive/2008/august-08-08/the-folly-of-obama2019s-tax-plan \

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

AlexP1, apparently you not only can't read but you can't hear either. McCain explained the economy comment which WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT and exploited by Obama's campaign. He explained himself again on 60 Minutes last night but oh my, ignore that because you're a blind muslim fan.

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 22, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Obama may not be on the ballot in November. Read: www.obamacrimes.com

Posted by: OctoberSurprise | September 22, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

UNDERSTANDING ECONOMICS – WHO NEEDS IT?

Not long ago, McCain stated to a journalist that, “Economics isn’t my strong suit.” But, he added, he is reading Greenspan. That would be Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan who, during his tenure, expanded the money supply more than in all the years since 1913. The Greenspan who kept the printing presses running at warp speed, turning out little pieces of paper called money and backed by the promises of politicians. Alan the Inflator fueled the dotcom bubble, the stock market bubble, and more recently the real estate bubble. It is no wonder that the LONDON ECONOMIST recently pegged 2007 true U.S. inflation at 17%. Just what we need – another president who is an economic illiterate. It’s small consolation that McCain admits it, because if elected, he’d appoint the wrong advisors.

MCCAIN VERSUS THE CONSTITUTION

McCain, also known as senator hyphen around D.C., frequently partners with members of the far left. The McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill was an obvious, full-frontal attack on the First Amendment – perhaps the most blatant since the Sedition Act 200 years previous. Specifically, it outlawed the most protected of free speech, political descent. This alone should be a deal breaker. Anyone voting for the bill should have been impeached and removed from office. George Bush, when he broke another of his pledges and signed the odious legislation, said he had problems with it but that the Supreme Court might very possibly strike down parts. Apparently, his thinking was (1) this is bad law, but why should I worry, and (2) I don’t need to do my job because somebody down the line might do it for me.

Accordingly, it is entirely logical that radio talk show hosts are in strong opposition to McCain. They understand how much he hates free speech, and they don’t want to see a return to the deceptively named Fairness Doctrine that used to force broadcasters to devote matching time to the promotion of liberal views to balance conservative. At the core is the liberals’ fear of exposure to the marketplace of ideas and free discourse. To them, it is not enough that you have a dial and an opposed thumb. If we’re going to have a Fairness Doctrine, let’s carry it all the way out. For every 80 anti-gun news stories, I want to see 80 (easy to find) pro-gun stories. Not 1. For every male bashing commercial, mandate one female bashing. Let’s limit the number of black players on college and NBA teams to 12½ percent, reflective of the population. Et cetera.

McCain also works to destroy the Second Amendment. John McCain does not trust you with a firearm, regardless of the plain words of the Constitution. He would bar you from defending yourself from marauders and certainly from an out-of-control government. The Gun Owners of America rates McCain F minus. Although the National Rifle Association is far softer in defending gun rights, its president has termed McCain the “worst Second Amendment candidate.” Example: McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 that would destroy gun shows by outlawing private gun sales at such events, although they have been proven to not be a significant source of criminals’ weapons. A next step would be the outlawing of private transfers. A father would be unable to pass down a family treasure without government blessing. The unconstitutionality of all this is of no importance to the senator and his ilk. Check his record. This alone should be another deal breaker.

Just about everybody loves a maverick, right? Spirit of America and all that. We often impute a certain sense of integrity to someone who turns on his own. Is the senator from Hanoi really a maverick? Sure, but from what? Honor? Duty? The Constitution he works so hard to make irrelevant? But as a career politician and long-time member of the Council on Foreign Relations, McCain is also a one- worlder and a senior insider.

CAMPAIGN FINANCE

I’m sure the sponsor of the so-called Campaign Finance Reform Bill wouldn’t mind if we took a cursory look at his donors. They include the sinister international currency manipulator George Soros, JP Morgan Chase & Company, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, and Lehman Brothers. In other words, McCain is backed by most of the usual suspects who back “the competition.”

According to WorldNetDaily, since 2001, this candidate has receiving funding via the Reform Institute of Alexandria, Virginia, founded to launder money from George Soro’s Open Society Institute and Theresa Heinz Kerry’s Tides Foundation. Let’s just know who owns whom. All this only makes sense. The senator is a long-time member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a one-worlder, an ultimate insider.

Funding scandals? Sure. We have them too. Does anybody remember the Keating Five debacle from 1987 that cost depositors and taxpayers $160 million? Charles Keating owned American Continental Corporation and its subsidiary Lincoln Savings & Loan. Facing multiple federal indictments, he called on the recipients of his largesse – Senators Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle, and from the great State of Arizona Dennis DeConsini and John McCain. Strings were pulled, but, in the end, Keating was convicted. In 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee (I know, such an oxymoron) ruled that McCain hadn’t quite done anything illegal. But by his own standards he was corrupt.

D.C. FOLLIES

Recently, the New York Times ran a piece suggesting that McCain may have had an affair with lobbyist Vicki Iseman that went back 8 years. Ms. Iseman is a partner in Alcalde & Fay, who represent Carnival Lines, several broadcasters, and municipalities. The Times, along with Drudge and the Washington Post, had been sitting on the story for some weeks. The allegations are unproven, and, the senator has exhibited extraordinary self-control when denying them. I can only say that he has a history of this type of Clintonian behavior, both in the military and, admittedly, during his first marriage. Apparently it is acceptable anymore. In any case, I question whether the Times should have run with this.

Influence peddling? Sure, McCain rode Lowell Paxson’s jet several times. It would be asking a lot of a high-profile senator to walk through a crowded airport and climb on a commercial flight. Maybe he wrote Paxson checks at the commercial fare rate. He did accept $100,000 donation from Alcalde & Fay. And he did write 2 letters recommending that the FCC approve Paxson’s purchase of a Pittsburgh TV station. Only two? Lobbyists lobby. I don’t have any finger to point here.

THE GREAT CONSERVATIVE

Taking a page from Bill Clinton’s Attorney General, McCain has called Christian leaders “agents of intolerance.”

McCain often crosses the aisle to block the confirmation of conservative judges with strict construction leanings. His record on taxes is clear; he likes them. Senator hyphen has co-sponsored ill conceived legislation that would boost gasoline prices by more than half a dollar a gallon. And he supports radical global warming measures that would significantly disadvantage the U.S.

COME ON UP. HERE’S A CHECK.

Teaming again with Teddy Kennedy, at al, the senator from Hanoi sponsored an amnesty bill for illegal aliens. A top aide, Juan Hernandez previously held a cabinet level position with ex-president of Mexico Vincente Fox. This dual citizen is on record as favoring “Mexico First.” McCain supports open borders. Well, until he caught sight of the prize. These days he’s auto-phoning into Ohio, promising that “first I’ll close the borders.” He’d still like to see Social Security money paid to the sneak-ins. Another deal breaker?

DISCLAIMERS AND CONCLUSIONS

The presidential frontrunners have a curious commonality. Not one has any significant administrative history. None has headed a company, none has managed an organization, and none has ever had to meet a payroll. Their experience has been totally devoted to throwing other people’s money at problems they created (often for that very purpose), and they’ve run nothing but their mouths. Seriously, if you owned a large business enterprise, is there any chance that you would pick one of the candidates to manage it?

As for the illegal, immoral war in which we are engaged, Obama is clean, Hillary is implicated, and McCain says he’s fine with another hundred years.

Personalities aside, I’m not certain how much difference it makes. McCain has essentially endorsed Hillary. According to him, “She has integrity,” and “I have no doubt that she would be a good president.” He likes, really likes the woman, and says, “I think she’s a very good person.” Meanwhile, Barack Hussein Obama’s policies differ not one whit from Hillary’s. So that’s a popularity contest.

Then there is the matter of the label. In his way, George Bush has done to the Republicon Party what Bill Clinton did to the Democrat Party in his way. In the last congressional race, the Rs did poorly; yet their D replacements have fixed nothing. The congress’s approval rating is 22 percent. As the legatee of Bush, what does baggage does McCain bear? Here are just a few bags: unrestrained spending, huge trade deficits, illegal wars of aggression, empire building beyond our capacity, abandonment of our fallen veterans, war crimes, the elimination of civil liberties with war as a pretext, the death of habeas corpus, favoring Israel over the U.S., the stock bubble, the real estate bubble, collapsing home values, permanent core job losses, true 10 percent inflation, debasement of the currency (They won’t even publish M3 numbers anymore.), torture of prisoners (On October 6, 2006, McCain voted to exempt the CIA from restrictions.), prisoner rendition, deconstruction of the Constitution, opening our borders to everybody and anybody, violations of separation of powers, corruption, and incredible incompetence. I could go on. My question: Is the Republicon nomination worth more than 15 cents? Even if McCain puts nominal Democrat Joe Lieberman on his ticket to demonstrate bi-partisanship and pull in Dems and Independents?

Are you a genuine social conservative? Do you believe in our wonderful Constitution? Are you opposed the Iraq War and its precursor strategies that have killed hundreds of thousands of innocents? Are you fiscally responsible? Do you truly understand the principles of republicanism? Do you believe in marital fidelity? Are you a supporter of free speech? I submit that if your answer to any of these questions is yes, you cannot vote for John McCain and retain your integrity. The lesser of 2 or 3 evils is still evil. In this case, not by a measurable amount.

The party of Ronald Reagan left me years ago. America’s bright beacon of hope, so loved by much of the world for over 200 years, is being reduced to a faint glow in the eyes of the true believers.

We have had some incredibly unqualified and inept people run for and sometimes win the top job. But John McCain must be the most flawed and compromised candidate in our nation’s history

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 22, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

UNDERSTANDING ECONOMICS – WHO NEEDS IT?

Not long ago, McCain stated to a journalist that, “Economics isn’t my strong suit.” But, he added, he is reading Greenspan. That would be Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan who, during his tenure, expanded the money supply more than in all the years since 1913. The Greenspan who kept the printing presses running at warp speed, turning out little pieces of paper called money and backed by the promises of politicians. Alan the Inflator fueled the dotcom bubble, the stock market bubble, and more recently the real estate bubble. It is no wonder that the LONDON ECONOMIST recently pegged 2007 true U.S. inflation at 17%. Just what we need – another president who is an economic illiterate. It’s small consolation that McCain admits it, because if elected, he’d appoint the wrong advisors.

MCCAIN VERSUS THE CONSTITUTION

McCain, also known as senator hyphen around D.C., frequently partners with members of the far left. The McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill was an obvious, full-frontal attack on the First Amendment – perhaps the most blatant since the Sedition Act 200 years previous. Specifically, it outlawed the most protected of free speech, political descent. This alone should be a deal breaker. Anyone voting for the bill should have been impeached and removed from office. George Bush, when he broke another of his pledges and signed the odious legislation, said he had problems with it but that the Supreme Court might very possibly strike down parts. Apparently, his thinking was (1) this is bad law, but why should I worry, and (2) I don’t need to do my job because somebody down the line might do it for me.

Accordingly, it is entirely logical that radio talk show hosts are in strong opposition to McCain. They understand how much he hates free speech, and they don’t want to see a return to the deceptively named Fairness Doctrine that used to force broadcasters to devote matching time to the promotion of liberal views to balance conservative. At the core is the liberals’ fear of exposure to the marketplace of ideas and free discourse. To them, it is not enough that you have a dial and an opposed thumb. If we’re going to have a Fairness Doctrine, let’s carry it all the way out. For every 80 anti-gun news stories, I want to see 80 (easy to find) pro-gun stories. Not 1. For every male bashing commercial, mandate one female bashing. Let’s limit the number of black players on college and NBA teams to 12½ percent, reflective of the population. Et cetera.

McCain also works to destroy the Second Amendment. John McCain does not trust you with a firearm, regardless of the plain words of the Constitution. He would bar you from defending yourself from marauders and certainly from an out-of-control government. The Gun Owners of America rates McCain F minus. Although the National Rifle Association is far softer in defending gun rights, its president has termed McCain the “worst Second Amendment candidate.” Example: McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 that would destroy gun shows by outlawing private gun sales at such events, although they have been proven to not be a significant source of criminals’ weapons. A next step would be the outlawing of private transfers. A father would be unable to pass down a family treasure without government blessing. The unconstitutionality of all this is of no importance to the senator and his ilk. Check his record. This alone should be another deal breaker.

Just about everybody loves a maverick, right? Spirit of America and all that. We often impute a certain sense of integrity to someone who turns on his own. Is the senator from Hanoi really a maverick? Sure, but from what? Honor? Duty? The Constitution he works so hard to make irrelevant? But as a career politician and long-time member of the Council on Foreign Relations, McCain is also a one- worlder and a senior insider.

CAMPAIGN FINANCE

I’m sure the sponsor of the so-called Campaign Finance Reform Bill wouldn’t mind if we took a cursory look at his donors. They include the sinister international currency manipulator George Soros, JP Morgan Chase & Company, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, and Lehman Brothers. In other words, McCain is backed by most of the usual suspects who back “the competition.”

According to WorldNetDaily, since 2001, this candidate has receiving funding via the Reform Institute of Alexandria, Virginia, founded to launder money from George Soro’s Open Society Institute and Theresa Heinz Kerry’s Tides Foundation. Let’s just know who owns whom. All this only makes sense. The senator is a long-time member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a one-worlder, an ultimate insider.

Funding scandals? Sure. We have them too. Does anybody remember the Keating Five debacle from 1987 that cost depositors and taxpayers $160 million? Charles Keating owned American Continental Corporation and its subsidiary Lincoln Savings & Loan. Facing multiple federal indictments, he called on the recipients of his largesse – Senators Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle, and from the great State of Arizona Dennis DeConsini and John McCain. Strings were pulled, but, in the end, Keating was convicted. In 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee (I know, such an oxymoron) ruled that McCain hadn’t quite done anything illegal. But by his own standards he was corrupt.

D.C. FOLLIES

Recently, the New York Times ran a piece suggesting that McCain may have had an affair with lobbyist Vicki Iseman that went back 8 years. Ms. Iseman is a partner in Alcalde & Fay, who represent Carnival Lines, several broadcasters, and municipalities. The Times, along with Drudge and the Washington Post, had been sitting on the story for some weeks. The allegations are unproven, and, the senator has exhibited extraordinary self-control when denying them. I can only say that he has a history of this type of Clintonian behavior, both in the military and, admittedly, during his first marriage. Apparently it is acceptable anymore. In any case, I question whether the Times should have run with this.

Influence peddling? Sure, McCain rode Lowell Paxson’s jet several times. It would be asking a lot of a high-profile senator to walk through a crowded airport and climb on a commercial flight. Maybe he wrote Paxson checks at the commercial fare rate. He did accept $100,000 donation from Alcalde & Fay. And he did write 2 letters recommending that the FCC approve Paxson’s purchase of a Pittsburgh TV station. Only two? Lobbyists lobby. I don’t have any finger to point here.

THE GREAT CONSERVATIVE

Taking a page from Bill Clinton’s Attorney General, McCain has called Christian leaders “agents of intolerance.”

McCain often crosses the aisle to block the confirmation of conservative judges with strict construction leanings. His record on taxes is clear; he likes them. Senator hyphen has co-sponsored ill conceived legislation that would boost gasoline prices by more than half a dollar a gallon. And he supports radical global warming measures that would significantly disadvantage the U.S.

COME ON UP. HERE’S A CHECK.

Teaming again with Teddy Kennedy, at al, the senator from Hanoi sponsored an amnesty bill for illegal aliens. A top aide, Juan Hernandez previously held a cabinet level position with ex-president of Mexico Vincente Fox. This dual citizen is on record as favoring “Mexico First.” McCain supports open borders. Well, until he caught sight of the prize. These days he’s auto-phoning into Ohio, promising that “first I’ll close the borders.” He’d still like to see Social Security money paid to the sneak-ins. Another deal breaker?

DISCLAIMERS AND CONCLUSIONS

The presidential frontrunners have a curious commonality. Not one has any significant administrative history. None has headed a company, none has managed an organization, and none has ever had to meet a payroll. Their experience has been totally devoted to throwing other people’s money at problems they created (often for that very purpose), and they’ve run nothing but their mouths. Seriously, if you owned a large business enterprise, is there any chance that you would pick one of the candidates to manage it?

As for the illegal, immoral war in which we are engaged, Obama is clean, Hillary is implicated, and McCain says he’s fine with another hundred years.

Personalities aside, I’m not certain how much difference it makes. McCain has essentially endorsed Hillary. According to him, “She has integrity,” and “I have no doubt that she would be a good president.” He likes, really likes the woman, and says, “I think she’s a very good person.” Meanwhile, Barack Hussein Obama’s policies differ not one whit from Hillary’s. So that’s a popularity contest.

Then there is the matter of the label. In his way, George Bush has done to the Republicon Party what Bill Clinton did to the Democrat Party in his way. In the last congressional race, the Rs did poorly; yet their D replacements have fixed nothing. The congress’s approval rating is 22 percent. As the legatee of Bush, what does baggage does McCain bear? Here are just a few bags: unrestrained spending, huge trade deficits, illegal wars of aggression, empire building beyond our capacity, abandonment of our fallen veterans, war crimes, the elimination of civil liberties with war as a pretext, the death of habeas corpus, favoring Israel over the U.S., the stock bubble, the real estate bubble, collapsing home values, permanent core job losses, true 10 percent inflation, debasement of the currency (They won’t even publish M3 numbers anymore.), torture of prisoners (On October 6, 2006, McCain voted to exempt the CIA from restrictions.), prisoner rendition, deconstruction of the Constitution, opening our borders to everybody and anybody, violations of separation of powers, corruption, and incredible incompetence. I could go on. My question: Is the Republicon nomination worth more than 15 cents? Even if McCain puts nominal Democrat Joe Lieberman on his ticket to demonstrate bi-partisanship and pull in Dems and Independents?

Are you a genuine social conservative? Do you believe in our wonderful Constitution? Are you opposed the Iraq War and its precursor strategies that have killed hundreds of thousands of innocents? Are you fiscally responsible? Do you truly understand the principles of republicanism? Do you believe in marital fidelity? Are you a supporter of free speech? I submit that if your answer to any of these questions is yes, you cannot vote for John McCain and retain your integrity. The lesser of 2 or 3 evils is still evil. In this case, not by a measurable amount.

The party of Ronald Reagan left me years ago. America’s bright beacon of hope, so loved by much of the world for over 200 years, is being reduced to a faint glow in the eyes of the true believers.

We have had some incredibly unqualified and inept people run for and sometimes win the top job. But John McCain must be the most flawed and compromised candidate in our nation’s history

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 22, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

"Obama's former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama's grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended. That registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion class." "he was born to a line of Muslim males makes him born a Muslim. Further, all children born with an Arabic name based on the H-S-N trilateral root (Hussein, Hassan, and others) can be assumed to be Muslim, so they will understand Obama's full name, Barack Hussein Obama, to proclaim him a born Muslim." Obama's own words ... "I went to school. But I didn't practice. But what I do think it does is it gives me insight into how these folks think, and part of how I think we can create a better relationship with the Middle East and that would help make us safer is if we can understand how they think about issues."What is Obama's true connection to Islam and what implications might this have for an Obama presidency? If he has no connections to Muslim's, then how is it that he has insight into how these folks think? The above are not my words ... see link: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286

"Question: Was Barack Obama ever a Muslim? He says no, but the Associated Press found records that showed Obama was in school as a Muslim living in Indonesia and the Obama campaign can't explain why.

Maybe it doesn't matter if Obama were a Muslim back then, but it does matter if he's not telling the truth about it now."
--www.exposeobama.com, June 2008.

The Muslims said they plan on destroying the United States from the inside out. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin to Congress: "Thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere. If Alaskans wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves.
AMERICANS TO OBAMA: "THANKS BUT NO THANKS ON THAT SPEECH TO NOWHERE. IF AMERICANS WANTED A SPEECH, WE'D WRITE IT OURSELVES."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Pampers&BabyMilk, the last person I know who used the word "Promise" was a pathological liar.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Emily, so I guess this guy is it?

1.) Selma got me born...
FACT: your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
(Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)
2.) My Father Was A Goat Herder . . FACT: he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) My Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter . . . FACT: he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom . . . FACT: your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers burned Christians' homes as well as men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took refuge. Obama supported his cousin before the election process here started. (Google 'Obama and Odinga')
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian . . .
FACT: she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 AM according to her own interviews. Christianity would not have supported her being one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili . . .
FACT: your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side, and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side.
While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family were mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....
7.) I Never Practiced Islam . . .
FACT: you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years -- until you changed the year before running for public office.
4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam''
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian . . .
FACT: you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: 'Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian . . .
FACT: not one former teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I lived In Indonesia, I have more foreign experience . . .
FACT: you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and could not speak the language.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs . . .
FACT: except for Africa and the Middle East, you have never been anywhere else on the planet and have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion . . .
FACT: you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify. Your classmates said you were just fine.
13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office . . .
FACT: Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life . FACT: Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 . . .
FACT: here you are, despite saying live on TV that you would not have enough experience by then -- and you are all about 'having experience first '.
16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate . . .
FACT: common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) I Was A Professor Of Law . . .
FACT: you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
18.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer . . .
FACT: you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill . . .
FACT: you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.
20.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass . . .
FACT: it took just 14 days from start to finish.
21.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill . . .
FACT: your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation -- mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
22.) I Have Released My State Records . .
FACT: as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, including all the special interests pork hidden within.
23.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess . . .
FACT: you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself in your books.
24.) My Economics Bill Will Help America . .
FACT: your 111 economic policies were combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
25.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois . .
FACT: even your own supporters characterize your actions as careful rather than bold.
26.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year . . .
FACT: they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you after their creation by a fellow Senator, 'to assist you in a future bid for higher office'.
27.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA . . .
FACT: the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
28.) I Am Tough On Terrorism . . .
FACT: you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.
29.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate . . .
FACT: you passed 26, most of which you didn't write.
30.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics . . .
FACT: you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
31.) I Don't Take PAC Money . . .
FACT: you take loads of it.
32.) I don't Have Lobbyists . . .
FACT: you have 47 lobbyists on staff, and counting.
33.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad . . .
FACT: your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
34.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq . .
FACT: you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Emily, so I guess this guy is it?

1.) Selma got me born...
FACT: your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
(Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)
2.) My Father Was A Goat Herder . . FACT: he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) My Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter . . . FACT: he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom . . . FACT: your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers burned Christians' homes as well as men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took refuge. Obama supported his cousin before the election process here started. (Google 'Obama and Odinga')
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian . . .
FACT: she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 AM according to her own interviews. Christianity would not have supported her being one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili . . .
FACT: your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side, and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side.
While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family were mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....
7.) I Never Practiced Islam . . .
FACT: you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years -- until you changed the year before running for public office.
4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam''
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian . . .
FACT: you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: 'Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian . . .
FACT: not one former teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I lived In Indonesia, I have more foreign experience . . .
FACT: you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and could not speak the language.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs . . .
FACT: except for Africa and the Middle East, you have never been anywhere else on the planet and have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion . . .
FACT: you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify. Your classmates said you were just fine.
13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office . . .
FACT: Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life . FACT: Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 . . .
FACT: here you are, despite saying live on TV that you would not have enough experience by then -- and you are all about 'having experience first '.
16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate . . .
FACT: common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) I Was A Professor Of Law . . .
FACT: you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
18.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer . . .
FACT: you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill . . .
FACT: you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.
20.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass . . .
FACT: it took just 14 days from start to finish.
21.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill . . .
FACT: your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation -- mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
22.) I Have Released My State Records . .
FACT: as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, including all the special interests pork hidden within.
23.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess . . .
FACT: you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself in your books.
24.) My Economics Bill Will Help America . .
FACT: your 111 economic policies were combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
25.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois . .
FACT: even your own supporters characterize your actions as careful rather than bold.
26.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year . . .
FACT: they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you after their creation by a fellow Senator, 'to assist you in a future bid for higher office'.
27.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA . . .
FACT: the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
28.) I Am Tough On Terrorism . . .
FACT: you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.
29.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate . . .
FACT: you passed 26, most of which you didn't write.
30.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics . . .
FACT: you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
31.) I Don't Take PAC Money . . .
FACT: you take loads of it.
32.) I don't Have Lobbyists . . .
FACT: you have 47 lobbyists on staff, and counting.
33.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad . . .
FACT: your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
34.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq . .
FACT: you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

In case you haven't noticed Anonymous, we are in a recession, not depression and in case you can't read, educate yourself, it is not the Republicans fault ... there's plenty to go around in the blame game from the consumer to the lender to Congress to the Dem's and to the Rep's ... so don't unfairly blame the Dem's ... your lack of intellect is showing.

Posted by: Anonymous2 | September 22, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-soft-preparedness-of-lowered.html


Monday, September 22, 2008
Palin: The Soft Preparedness of Lowered Expectations

In all seriousness, expect the following from Palin's "meetings" with leaders on Tuesday and Wednesday:

-A series of serious-sounding quotes, direct from her days of preparation, that cannot possibly indicate her actual knowledge on the issues, data and risks facing each and with regard to each nation. Quotes, not knowledge, happen in days.

-A bevy of positive statements from each leader--after all, that's why they were chosen--all being nations seeking U.S. favor, and having nothing to lose and potentially much to gain by doing so.

-A rush of "surprised" reactions from media at "how seriously she was taken", ready, as so often, to grasp the superfically new.

-An attempt by the McCain camp to drive through her supposed preparedness as a result, as quickly as possible, before the debates.

-Still no in-depth, free-form, extensive challenging interviews from this prospective President.

Don't buy it.

A few days ago, she was ready to invade Russia (which she could see from her border).

Remember, for your security and future: A series of rehearsed quotes does not a President make.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-soft-preparedness-of-lowered.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-soft-preparedness-of-lowered.html


Monday, September 22, 2008
Palin: The Soft Preparedness of Lowered Expectations

In all seriousness, expect the following from Palin's "meetings" with leaders on Tuesday and Wednesday:

-A series of serious-sounding quotes, direct from her days of preparation, that cannot possibly indicate her actual knowledge on the issues, data and risks facing each and with regard to each nation. Quotes, not knowledge, happen in days.

-A bevy of positive statements from each leader--after all, that's why they were chosen--all being nations seeking U.S. favor, and having nothing to lose and potentially much to gain by doing so.

-A rush of "surprised" reactions from media at "how seriously she was taken", ready, as so often, to grasp the superfically new.

-An attempt by the McCain camp to drive through her supposed preparedness as a result, as quickly as possible, before the debates.

-Still no in-depth, free-form, extensive challenging interviews from this prospective President.

Don't buy it.

A few days ago, she was ready to invade Russia (which she could see from her border).

Remember, for your security and future: A series of rehearsed quotes does not a President make.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-soft-preparedness-of-lowered.html

Posted by: Emily | September 22, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-soft-preparedness-of-lowered.html


Monday, September 22, 2008
Palin: The Soft Preparedness of Lowered Expectations

In all seriousness, expect the following from Palin's "meetings" with leaders on Tuesday and Wednesday:

-A series of serious-sounding quotes, direct from her days of preparation, that cannot possibly indicate her actual knowledge on the issues, data and risks facing each and with regard to each nation. Quotes, not knowledge, happen in days.

-A bevy of positive statements from each leader--after all, that's why they were chosen--all being nations seeking U.S. favor, and having nothing to lose and potentially much to gain by doing so.

-A rush of "surprised" reactions from media at "how seriously she was taken", ready, as so often, to grasp the superfically new.

-An attempt by the McCain camp to drive through her supposed preparedness as a result, as quickly as possible, before the debates.

-Still no in-depth, free-form, extensive challenging interviews from this prospective President.

Don't buy it.

A few days ago, she was ready to invade Russia (which she could see from her border).

Remember, for your security and future: A series of rehearsed quotes does not a President make.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-soft-preparedness-of-lowered.html

Posted by: Emily | September 22, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-soft-preparedness-of-lowered.html


Monday, September 22, 2008
Palin: The Soft Preparedness of Lowered Expectations

In all seriousness, expect the following from Palin's "meetings" with leaders on Tuesday and Wednesday:

-A series of serious-sounding quotes, direct from her days of preparation, that cannot possibly indicate her actual knowledge on the issues, data and risks facing each and with regard to each nation. Quotes, not knowledge, happen in days.

-A bevy of positive statements from each leader--after all, that's why they were chosen--all being nations seeking U.S. favor, and having nothing to lose and potentially much to gain by doing so.

-A rush of "surprised" reactions from media at "how seriously she was taken", ready, as so often, to grasp the superfically new.

-An attempt by the McCain camp to drive through her supposed preparedness as a result, as quickly as possible, before the debates.

-Still no in-depth, free-form, extensive challenging interviews from this prospective President.

Don't buy it.

A few days ago, she was ready to invade Russia (which she could see from her border).

Remember, for your security and future: A series of rehearsed quotes does not a President make.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-soft-preparedness-of-lowered.html

Posted by: Emily | September 22, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

GOD BLESS AMERICA

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

lool

Posted by: boruch yona loriner | September 22, 2008 2:50 AM | Report abuse

This election is not about race. It is about ideas and hopefully, who can tell a better joke. We as Americans have to vote with our brains, not jaded hearts.

May the best candidate win.

http://www.bop-o-rama.com

Let's try t have some fun while we are doing this!

Posted by: OMG the Race card commith. | September 22, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

sO, wHAT HAS j mCcANT DONE WITH HIS 27 YEARS, IF WERE COMPARING aPPLES TO APPLES???I know hes been quick to back every bill coming through the house, and equally just as quick to turn coat on it, if i suits him for the moment.He's occupied a seat for 27 years, for the same AZ distric, because no one has been able to afford to unseat him with his wifes bankroll behind him.And what has he done for that community that has allowed them to Prosper without earmarks, Pork money???
I hate to say it folks,But the old boy is ALL SHOW, NO GO>
Even he should understand that it was HIS OWN PARTY that seperated financial responsibility between the Federal level and individual States.Earmarks are money that get spent in the state that gets the money, just like Palin has done for Alaska, or Obama has done for Illinois.State funds are just that, funds states have gathered within themselves through taxes,to be used on that state.Under our current Administration, which will be the same CONTROLLING PARTY under MCCAIN, Has sent over a TRILLION of America's money to Iraq, Afghanistan,with no real recourse for repayment, much of it to RE-ARM the Iraqi's , Rebuild Iraq's infrastructure, and no contract for REPAYMENT to the US, not for the money, not even for trade of OIL.THAT MONEY WILL NEVER COME BACK TO THE U.S., Not in my lifetime, not in my childrens lifetimes,And McCain will be MORE OF THE SAME.
Even if Obama is'nt as ANTI EARMARK as Obama, at least the EARMARK money gets used in America, Usually going to DECENT AMERICAN JOBS, and the return is ONE MORE PROUD AMERICAN, HAPPY TO LIVE IN McCain, just like the rest of the GOP True Eleitist's, beleive if you arent Wealthy, you werent meant to be, and your purpouse in life is to serve your country, even if you might not get the FREE RIDE he did.
Its funny how he has been a REPUBLICAN all these years, and yet Ive never heard him speak about GOD or his religion more than someone asking him a direct question about it, and its usually a one line answer, " yes, i love god" or " God kept me alive in Nam" "i found a new appreciation for god in NAM".
I truly beleive he is Godless, doesnt have a regular Church, and only PANDERs to the ultra-conservatives when he needs something, LIKE G.BUSH did JUST TO GET VOTES!!
The Christian Right thinkers really need to linger on that for awhile, how the entire GOP got all coy with ya when they needed votes,and dropped all MORAL MAJORITY issues as soon as the elections were over.\

Not Again,Not 4 More, not this time!!

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: mullett | September 22, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

This

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

To: ALL holier-than-thou Christians. I was baptized as a Roman Catholic since I was one week old (January 1953), but I am sick and tired of fellow “Christians” who think they are holier-than-other-religions.

Keep in mind that (1) Jesus himself said: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone ...” (John 8:7). Now look straight into the mirror of history and answer the following questions as honestly as you would be in a confessional. Who committed mass genocide and ethnic cleansing against millions of innocent Native Americans for centuries? “Christians.” Who committed slavery? “Christians.” What was Hitler’s religion? “Christian.”

Rejoice! My point is that “Christians” do not necessarily follow the way of Jesus. Jesus himself could be considered a “liberal”, even a “left” revolutionary, who bravely stood up for CHANGE and took out the establishment! BTW, he is a Palestinian (not European) either. So do not make a fuss about Obama’s middle name (Hussein). Had Obama been a panderer, he would have changed his name. On the other hand, by sticking to the very name that his parents gave him, he shows integrity, courage, and character.

OK, he is only a 50% Caucasian, but so what? We all are the descendants of modern Homo sapiens who came out of (surprise!) the Black Continent of Africa. Neanderthals were probably an exception but they are now extinct – sorry! There are good people and bad people regardless of party affiliation and religion. For example, Mark Foley (Florida congressman who preyed on male pagers), Larry Craig (Idaho senator who “foodtapped” in a Minneapolis airport restroom), are Republicans; Tony Alamo (child pornography church) is a Christian. And on and on.

Last but not least, there is no clear cut between “terrorists” and “non-terrorists.” For 18th-century British Empire, George Washington was a terrorist. Likewise, for millions of Native Americans, the European settlers were terrorists. Nelson Mandela was considered as a terrorist by the US Government, but he was awarded the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize. Therefore, a true Christian will open his/her heart, actively search for the Truth, avoid becoming a bigot, and make Peace with Reality. God bless you all.

Posted by: Tao Zen | September 22, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Judy in FL " Obama's taxes WILL put us in a DEPRESSION."

In case you haven't noticed we are in a depression because of 8 years of blunders and stupidity brought to us by the Republicans.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Hunting for wolves is "viciously cruel but not as bad as being a Republican pedophile.

Posted by: anonymous | September 22, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Hunting for wolves is "viciously cruel but not as bad as being a Republican pedophile.

Posted by: anonymous | September 22, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

"McCain confessed he gradated 5th from the bottom of his class not even the bottom 10 or 20 as already been reported! How in the world dis this semi illiterate graduated from Annapolis? Oh?, I know, with a lot of back room dealings from pappy.

Add to the ticket an equally dumb Palin, 6 different schools in 5 years to get a basic degree, the GOP ticket may be the most under educated in memory!"

Not to mention she a creationist- religion for the simple minded.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

DONALD TRUMP...HYPOCRITE

TELL TELL SIGN...IS'NT IT FUNNY THAT EVERYONE WHO EARNS OVER $250,000.000 IS AGAINST BARACK OBAMA. HAHAHAHA...

I PROMISE YOU AMERICANS IF MCCAIN WINS PRESIDENCY. HE WILL RAISE EVRYONE'S TAXES EXCEPT FOR THE RICH.

THAT'S THE SCHEME PEOPLE. IF AFTER THROUGH THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND YOU LEARN LESS THAN $100,000.000 AND STILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN DON'T YOU EVEN CRY.

STATIS QUO IF YOUR WHITE AND ON WELFARE SAME OLD WELFARE CHECKS. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT BETTER SUITS YOU.

46% OF AMERICANS ON WELFARE ARE WHITE. DO YOUR HOMEWORK, DO THE MATH AND ALSO SEE WHO IS ON THE CORNERS AND TELL ME WHO HAS THAT SIGN? WILL WORK FOR FOOD!

LETS START A SITE TO MONITOR WHO IS ON THE STREETS AROUND THE COUNTRY. LETS MONITOR MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO IS IN THE FOOD LINE.

RACIST WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE NOT POOR. BUT YET THEY ARE THE FIRST TO COMPLAIN WHO'S MAKING WHAT. "F" THEIR PRIDE BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO EAT.

DONALD TRUMP IS AGAINST BARACK OBAMA BECAUSE OBAMA IS GOING TO DIG IN TRUMP'S ASS.

WHY IS TRUMP'S EX-WIFE VOTING FOR OBAMA? DO THE MATH LADIES, SHE KNOW'S OBAMA IS GOING TO DIG HIS FOOT IN TRUMP'S ASS FOR US.

DONALD DO YOU EARN MORE THAN $250,000.000 A YEAR. IF SO DONALD DEMOCRATS SAY'S PAY THE PIPER AND HELP OUR CHILDREN.

TRUMP HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU NEED TO RUN YOUR APPRENTICE SHOW. ALL SPONSORED MONEY RIGHT? PAY YOUR SHARE TRUMP!

TRUMP IS SAYING "I'M IN THE MONEY, I'M IN THE MONEY...

Posted by: PAMPERS AND BABY MILK | September 22, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Who has the time to think about the economy when you have Metastatic Melanoma in your brain?

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Posted by: Kathy | September 22, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Is this the same McSame who said "i don't know anything about economics" and the guy who graduated 894/899, and the guy who actually picked an incompetent VP? ENOUGH

Posted by: mimi | September 22, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

JTR,

Farrakhan, the man and his rhetoric are not something I agree with. But as an organization his has helped many poor people in need. A whole long list of white preachers can be given who are equally as despicable in much of their diatribe yet have done a whole lot less for the needy. How is it people can actually give money to televangelists and see them flashing huge rings, wearing Armani suits driving limos and have personal jets and give nothing back but false and hateful words, yet somehow Farrakhan is so much worse? Oh, yeah well he's black.

Again, Farrakhan and I agree on almost nothing with respect to his diatribes, but the same hold for many of these white so called Christian preachers as well.

Something else you should know, Trintiy United has an amazing array of services it provides to the community in which it is located, anti-drug programs, senior housing, after school programs, etc. Rev. Wright was the driving force behind these efforts and I respect him for that. I may not always agree with what he says, but he puts his beliefs in helping people into action.

Again, I don't believe I will sway anyone one way or the other, but I do hope people will vote based on the facts and not on lies, smears, fears and innuendos. Admittedly an awful lot to hope for.

Posted by: Dave | September 22, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Look JTR, and everyone for that matter. If you don't want to vote for one candidate or the other fine. Say, he's to liberal, or I don't like the idea of universal health coverage, or I think we should continue focusing on oil as our main energy source. Fine. But these inane comments about being un-American or someones class standing 50 years ago are...just that inane. No wonder the international community thinks the average american is dumb...because we revel in our ignorance and illogical ways! Now I'm not one to worry too much about what Europe is saying about us, but seriously, can we use our brains and some reason when commenting? I mean the readership of the Washington Post has got to be smarter than this!

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 22, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

hey Obama we got your back ma maaaaan

Posted by: americans | September 22, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

McCain wants us to believe he won't name his friend Gramm on to this board? The same guy who called americans whiner and the same guy who is directly responsible for this mess. Does McSame think we are idiots.

Posted by: Brian | September 22, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

JTR,

Untrustworthy? Oh really? Based on facts or based on smears?

If you want to talk about untrustworthy, let's talk John McCain. Was he really ever the maverick he claims or was it just that most of the members of his own party didn't much care for him? I'm not trying to be witty here either.

John McCain has been an incredible disappointment. I have watched over the past 12 - 16 months him grovel and suck up to everyone he could just for the sake of winning the primaries and now the election. When he started pandering to the likes of Dodson and Hagee, that was it for me. He went too far. One of the very same people he strongly criticized for their divisiveness he stood next to and smiled while he was being endorsed by him. Well guess what? Hagee didn't change in the 8 years since McCain made his remarks, John McCain did.

As for saying well McCain will be his old self when he is in office, I don't by it. I think his sell out is deeper than many of us who used to respect McCain realize.

Personnaly I'd rather lose honorably than win deceitfully. Evidently McCain has determined it is more important to win at all costs, even at the expense of truth and integrity.

Just my two cents.

Posted by: Dave | September 22, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

JTR:
What exactly is the good reason to believe Obama is untrustworthy? Further, what exactly is Un-American about giving money to a church as many Americans do every Sunday? Was the church's mission to actively undermine the American government? Was there a call for overthrow or armed rebellion?

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 22, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Dave"
"If people wish to vote for McCain because even after 8 years in the White House and 12 of the last 14 in congress they actually believe voting Republican this time is the right thing to do, fine."

You have a point, but the problem is that many people see Obama as untrustworthy, and for good reason.

Posted by: JTR | September 22, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse


Regarding Wright and Obama, note that Obama supported Wright with regular donations for 20 years, including after Wright gave Farrakhan an "achievement of the year award". He never left the church because of this, he only left when he had to. In fact, he said he would not disown Wright after the award. This is behavior that is un-American and is indefensable.

Posted by: JTR | September 22, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

TommyF:
The question is: why are his comments aligned with Farrakhan? There are a number of famous white professors have made many of the same statements he made. Moreover, the statments he made regarding 9/11 being "blowback" were made by numerous former political, intelligence, and military people. In fact the very term he was talking about but did not use explicitly, "blowback", is a CIA term. Why was no one quick to compare any of these other people to Farrakhan. Like I said, the comments were not new. So why the special treatment of "Farrakhanizing" the commentor?

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Taxes,

Look at the results of the survey, you may disagree because it doesn't affect your opinion, but in many parts of the country it does matter to white people for all the wrong reasons.

Just look at all the trash posts about Obama being a Muslim. He isn't, yet they continue to try to use the tactic if you say it enough people will believe it and because if you say "well he's black", people will call you a racist. It's a surrogate issue.

Although the New York Times is a bit too left for my tastes for general purposes and why I read multiple news sources, Kristof's column in the Times is worth a read since much of the misinformation and slander comes from his interview of Obama:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21kristof.html?hp

If people wish to vote for McCain because even after 8 years in the White House and 12 of the last 14 in congress they actually believe voting Republican this time is the right thing to do, fine. But ask yourself long and hard if you are an independent or swing democrat or republican who do you actually agree with policy wise and with their vision what they want America to be.

As someone already posted, taxes are going to go up regardless due to the bail out of the gross neglect of the financial system, whoever the ultimate winner is going to be hamstrung before they even take the oath of office. So maybe we all need to pay more attention to the moral issues this time.

Sorry for the ramble.

Posted by: Dave | September 21, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

wilsonmg: Of course. "Independent" and "Republican" are not mutually exclusive.

I would vote "Democrat" if a Democrat was indeed on the ticket. Unfortunately, IMO, the ticket is modern liberal rather than true progressive.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Just Another Reader:

Possibly. Time and inclination is not always on the side of truth. Sometimes what is history cannot overturn the conjecture.

As for Wright, the cataloging of his brazen words unfortunately falls more to Farrakhan than to MLK, Jr.

This is not the end for Obama any more than Palin is the end for McCain.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

TommyF:
You are sounding more and more like an Independent than a Republican.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow 60 whole minutes of debates,scripted of course. Lucky you.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 21, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

TommyF:
It's not that I thought you were trying to say whether someone was right or wrong for being in the congregation. It just seems that little is known about what he was actually saying in some of those clips because the context was lost. My understanding, from what I have learned of the sermon topics is that most of them were not particularly radical at all. They were not comments you would not see in a newspaper editorial or a 60 minutes segment. Out of context the sound bites (helped by Wright's emotive delivery) appear alarming. However, they should only be alarming to individuals who have never watched a segment of CNN sunday edition or read the NYTimes. (with the exception of the AIDS comment).

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Just Another Reader:

I may, of course, attribute whatever I like. Simply ordering someone to leave their opinions, ideas, beliefs, and prejudices at the door will not cause it to be so.

As far as the article goes, it does indeed mirror my own inferences, whether they be accurate or not.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 11:23 PM
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You would believe that as convincing and as insightful as most of your posts are that you would have a taken a little more time to research further before you cast judgement on a man's personal character.

Reverand Wright is not running for office but Obama is. You and many like you have cast judgement on his character based on what you think the inference is in an article or sound bite of someone else's words. I find that deficient.

I do not mean this as a personal attack, it is more of an observation of human behavior.


Posted by: Just another reader | September 21, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

wilsonmg: I'm not as versed as you in the idea of cheaper produce as a way to better health (although it sounds like a good plan to me), but I do have my own ideas concerning illegal drugs, their possible legalization, government monopoly of the trade, government rehab, the release of "possession" criminals, etc.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Taxes (latest post by Taxes):

The article you post is not objective. Obama has not changed his tax proposal. He will only raise taxes for people making more than $603,403 a year.

Here is a more objective article, along with the other Washington Post article I posted earlier.

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/09/21/3661795.htm
“Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are both pledging to cut income taxes for families, with the Obama plan the more generous of the two for most middle-class earners, the elderly and the working poor.

But when it comes to those top-tier earners making more than $250,000, the two candidates differ wildly. The bottom line? According to one independent study, taxpayers with incomes of $600,000 and above would average about a $49,000 tax cut under the McCain plan but a nearly $94,000 tax increase under Obama.

McCain would double the amount of income that taxpayers can deduct for each dependent, a change that would help families but be of no benefit to most single taxpayers and couples without children at home.

Obama's plan offers a direct tax credit of $500 per worker and $1,000 per two-worker family, along with additional tax credits directed to homeowners and those paying college tuition. Many of the Obama credits are refundable, meaning they also would be available to workers whose pay is so low, they owe little or no federal income taxes.

In addition, Obama would exempt senior citizens with incomes of $50,000 or below from paying federal income taxes. His campaign says that would cut taxes for 60,000 Nebraska senior citizens.”


Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Palin should be president because we deserve to have a woman in the white house. I don't care if the country is going broke.

Posted by: skanks for palin | September 21, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

TommyF: the north carolina system might be good, I don't know personally. I think the reason there is a clamor for the govt. to get involved is because of inconsistencies between states and gaps in the coverage systems within states. That is why so many kids are uninsured.
You are right about the smoking thing (IMO), which is why I think the biggest part of the govt role in health care should be in prevention. Not just educating people about the danger of smoking and obesity but also shifting farm subsidies from "feed-grade" corn to other agricultural produce to encourage businesses to drive down the prices of fruits and vegetables so that it can be cheap to eat healthy.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Just Another Reader:

I may, of course, attribute whatever I like. Simply ordering someone to leave their opinions, ideas, beliefs, and prejudices at the door will not cause it to be so.

As far as the article goes, it does indeed mirror my own inferences, whether they be accurate or not.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

It is possible that some people who are mad at America have a legitimate beef. It is a sign of wisdom and maturity to try to understand what makes people susceptible to radical anti-Americanism. If we don't try to understand underlying issues, we're not going to solve the problem.
McCain's recent knee-jerk response of wanting to fire the SEC chairman shows a pattern of impulsive vindictiveness which would just make matters worse on the international stage. Crashing more planes (He's already destroyed 5 U.S. aircraft, only 1 in combat.) and getting captured again may make you a hero for some odd reason, but it won't solve the kind of problems we have today.
Quit screwing around with failed P.C. B.S. and elect Obama.

Posted by: Charles | September 21, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Biden brainwashed you in one short sentence. Paying taxes is NOT patriotic! Are you okay?

Posted by: PalinPower | September 21, 2008 11:09 PM
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Define patriotism:

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Patriotism

Pa"tri*ot*ism\, n. [Cf. F. patriotisme.] Love of country; devotion to the welfare of one's country; the virtues and actions of a patriot; the passion which inspires one to serve one's country. --Berkley.

PAYING YOUR SHARE OF TAXES IS PATRIOTIC!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

wilsonmg: No worries. I enjoy the "picking."

About Wright, I have not seen the entire segments. However, I disagree that either the churchgoers are "right" or "wrong" for attending (if this is what you are trying to say). Those who believe what Wright says simply believe it. Wright can no more prove his assertions than someone can disprove them. To agree with him, you would have to share a larger epistemological view, IMO.

I share some of his concerns but I have nothing to invest in "black theology" or the like.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Just Another Reader:

This doesn't "prove" anything except that what I took away from Rev. Wright is what many people took away from him. He may not have SAID these exact words: "got what it deserved" but that MEANING seems to be familiar.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/if_jeremiah_wright_is_a_prophe.html

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 11:03 PM
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Tommy I knew that you would not be able to find anything that even remotely suggests that this what he said or meant.

Not only is it wrong to take someonelse's words and thoughts and attribute them to others, by this I mean taking what reverand Wright preached and ascribing them to senator Obama but it is also a defeating argument.

Listening to a preacher one has the choice to accept what he preaches as gospel or to reject it as lunacy. Going to church for many is tradition and community. A person should not be punished for going to church nor held reponsible for what is said in the church unless what is said is said directly from them.

Posted by: Just another reader | September 21, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

JudyInFL

What's your point? I create jobs and support the backbone of this economy. You whine. Tomorrow morning, I will be creating wealth through making and selling products. You whine.

And your destiny will be in someone elses hand. I control mine.

How's that for spin.

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 21, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

TommyF,
Not to pick on you but you seem to be among the few willing to have a reasoned conversation. So I am wondering, have you actually scene the famed sermons by Rev. Wright in their entirety (i.e., in context)? Have you ever asked yourself why it is that a racially and ethnically mixed congregation would continue to attend a church where so much of the sermons were heinous and offensive? It doesn't really add up, does it?

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

wilsonmg:

Here in North Carolina, we have North Carolina Health Choice (NCHC) which covers the children of many families who have incomes OVER the poverty level. This kicks in when a family has too much income for Medicaid.

NCHC is Blue Cross, and I have used it for about 8 years for my kids.

THIS is nice to have. So I agree, kids should be covered.

I'm not sure I want to cover adults with my taxes. On the other hand, just so we might control some public health menaces, it might be ok to have partial coverage for certain things.

I wouldn't cover a smoker who did this voluntarily. Just my opinion.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama changes positions according to polls: Perhaps you can afford to pay more but those folks in the 31K-45K can not.
Obama’s give-and-take tax policy results in marginal tax rates of 34 percent to 39 percent in the $31,000 to $45,000 income range. That’s an increase of 13 percentage points or more from the current rates.
What accounts for the higher rates? First, Obama expands the maximum child and dependent care credit for families with one young child from $1,050 to $1,500 and phases down the credit over a longer income range, from $30,000 to $58,000. Throughout this income range, the credit is phasing out at a rate of $30 per $1,000 of income, thus raising the effective tax rate by 3 percentage points. Obama also makes certain credits refundable, which introduces a tax penalty of 10 percent or 15 percent, depending on the income bracket.
While Obama has publicly embraced a tax rate of 40 percent for couples earning over $350,000, his tax policies would result in a staggering 45 percent effective marginal rate in the $110,000 to $120,000 income range for this family. That is 11 percentage points higher than under current law. http://www.american.com/archive/2008/august-08-08/the-folly-of-obama2019s-tax-plan \

Posted by: Taxes | September 21, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

PAVoter

Read what I wrote to JudyInFL. Unlike a lot of people, my livelihood depends on this election. Will my employees be able to afford health care? Will the economy stay strong enough so that my manufacturing customers will be around?

I try to get as much info as I can, but honestly, there is so much misinformation out there that I have to find sources not beholden to either side. That's why I don't go to the liberal or conservative sites. Which is why the first thing I did with your posting was to find out who the author was ... I'm sure you are aware that he is a conservative writer who only posts on conservative sites. That means he has an agenda, just like the liberal sites do.

So if you think my answer is weak, that's fine. I could go on liberal sites and find people with the opposite view as you. The sites I look at don't have the same info as yours. I don't believe your info. That's what I've got.

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 21, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama will raise your taxes only if you make more than $603,403 a year.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Biden brainwashed you in one short sentence. Paying taxes is NOT patriotic! Are you okay?

Posted by: PalinPower | September 21, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

See comparisons of the two candidates tax proposals at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html.

Obama will CUT your taxes if you make less than $ 226,981 per year. Obama will raise your taxes only if you make more than $603,403 a year. If you make less than $111,645 a year, Obama will CUT your taxes by between 1.8 % and 5.5% while McCain will only cut your taxes by between 0.2% (which is hardly anything) and 1.4%. SO IF YOU MAKE LESS $111,646 PER YEAR, YOU WILL DEFINITELY GET MORE TAX CUT FROM OBAMA THAN MCCAIN.

McCain will give the biggest tax cuts to those making more than $2.8 MILLION a year. Why should McCain give those making more than 2.8 million a year so much more of a tax cut than those making less than $111,645 a year? That’s not fair. So if you make more than $111,646 per year and nothing matters to you more than your taxes, then and only then should you vote for McCain.

CHECK THE FACTS OUT BEFORE YOU SHORT-CHANGE YOURSELF, FOLKS!

Posted by: Taxes | September 21, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Dave, I respectfully disagree. Obama said himself, the race issue is a wash. As far as experience, like another posted, each candidate will surround themselves with experts, not to mention Congress will keep a very close eye on things and never hesitate to offer advice.

Posted by: Taxes | September 21, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'll be patriotic and pay more taxes....... NOT!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:59 PM
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You are probably not even in that tax bracket. Grow up. Whether you want to believe it or not, paying taxes "is" actually patriotic!

How do you envision the government raises money to pay for the services that you enjoy? People in this country believe that if they pay taxes only those "other" people benefit and not them. Wake up and realize that if you want to continue enjoying the services that are provided by the government then they must be paid for. Oh and don't for one second believe that I am speaking about medicare and welfare and services that are allotted for the few. Your money pays for that too but on a larger scale it pays for the military, the infrastructure the very freedom that you enjoy.

If you are affulent, paying higher taxes probably won't make you less affulent.

Posted by: Just another reader | September 21, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

TommyF,
I'm not certain I believe in socialized health care either. I do know that health care is not something that is adequately covered when left to market initiative. I also know that I believe that AT THE LEAST all children should have health care. I don't know how to address the issue, but I do believe that government has to have some role. The idea of government running it is scary but clearly we have to take some role (IMO)

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Just Another Reader:

This doesn't "prove" anything except that what I took away from Rev. Wright is what many people took away from him. He may not have SAID these exact words: "got what it deserved" but that MEANING seems to be familiar.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/if_jeremiah_wright_is_a_prophe.html

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

TruthHurts, you've been stung! Spin out of control, just like the Obamamaniacs!!!

Posted by: JudyinFL | September 21, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Http://bobbarr2008.com
if you want real change vote for the only true conservative left in the race

Posted by: brock101 | September 21, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'll be patriotic and pay more taxes....... NOT!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

JudyInFL

That's one of the myths about business owners, that we're all big shots driving around in BMWs. I own a business with $3M in revenue and 10 employees, 3 of which I pay more than I pay myself because they are that good and that valuable. And we've been around for over 100 years. And did I mention that my business is up 10% for the year, serving the manufacturing sector? And that I'm hiring people? And that I just expanded into a brand new facility?

My company and others like me are what this country is all about. We work hard, serve our customers, and pay our bills. To keep our success going, it's important for me to know that facts, not the spin.

SO before you make asinine remarks about me or my business or how hard I work, you should stop and ask yourself ... why do I spend time on this site?

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 21, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

wilsonmg: thanks for the reply.

(1) The health care plan was my main concern. I personally don't like the ideas of socialized medicine. I have 2 friends in Canada who agree. This may not be unequivocal proof, but in the end, we mainly vote by experience rather than information (IMO).

(3) You may be right about the "Chicago school" - I can only look into this more

(4) We agree on this but also disagree. I don't necessarily view the professorial response as "thoughtful" - I usually defer to Hemingway's "BS meter." It's not that I don't think Obama believes in himself, it's just that I think he's fluffing his way through it.

For the record, I believe the only Presidents in modern history to have any true ideas about the economy would be both Roosevelts, Reagan, and Clinton.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Taxes!

Wake up, the Republicans have proven from 2000=2006 that they are WORSE spenders than the Dems and they have done it all by letting foreigners buy up the US Govt bonds . . NICE!

http://www.factcheck.org/defending_spending_bushs_blooper.html

So in his Feb. 8 interview the President erred in this exchange:

Russert: But your base conservatives -- and listen to Rush Limbaugh, the Heritage Foundation, CATO Institute, they're all saying you are the biggest spender in American history.

President Bush: Well, they're wrong.

Russert: Mr. President

President Bush: If you look at the appropriations bills that were passed under my watch, in the last year of President Clinton, discretionary spending was up 15 percent, and ours have steadily declined.

Discretionary spending -- meaning spending that is subject to annual legislative appropriations, as opposed to spending for entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare -- actually grew only 5.6% in Clinton 's last budget year (fiscal year 2001, which began October 1, 2000).

Since then discretionary spending has not "steadily declined" as the President said, but has gone up. In fact, the growth has been much faster than under Clinton . In the first year for which President Bush signed the spending bills discretionary spending growth soared to 13.1%, and annual growth remained in double digits through the current fiscal year.

How could the President be so wrong in a nationally televised interview? White House spokesman Dan Bartlett said the President meant to refer not to discretionary spending overall, but only to the portion of it not attributable to military spending or homeland security. That would exclude well over half of all discretionary spending this year.

It is true that military and security spending have risen much faster under Bush than spending for domestic programs.

What the President meant to echo was testimony his Budget Director Joshua Bolten gave on Feb. 5 to the Senate Budget Committee:

Bolten : In the last budget year of the previous administration (2001), discretionary spending unrelated to defense or homeland security soared by 15 percent. With the adoption of President Bush’s first budget (2002), that growth rate was reduced to six percent; then five percent the following year; and four percent for the current fiscal year.

Even that is somewhat misleading: Bolten failed to mention that the growth of all discretionary spending was below 4% for six of Clinton's eight years, as shown in our first table.

The figures that Bolten referred to are in table S-2 of the administration's budget document. (Actually, the figures don't refer to "spending" as Bolten said, but to amounts appropriated and legally available to be spent. The technical term for that is "budget authority," sometimes called "funding." It includes some amounts which are not spent immediately but may be spent in future years.)

Using Bolten's own figures, FactCheck.org calculates that the discretionary sums contained in appropriations bills signed by Bush for the current fiscal year -- including the $87 billion supplemental appropriation for Iraq -- amount to nearly a 36% increase over Clinton's last year.

Most of the increase has indeed come from military spending (including wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) and activities that the administration classifies as homeland security. But that still leaves a 16% increase in funding for other discretionary programs.

Discretionary budget authority:

3-year increase

Homeland Security (non-Defense)

180.0%

Department of Defense

52.5%

Other Operations of Government

16.0%

Total, Discretionary budget authority

35.7%

Source: Office of Management and Budget, Budget of the United States Government: Fiscal Year 2005: Summary Tables Table S-2 — Discretionary Totals.

As Clinton's budget surpluses have turned to deficits, Bush has come under criticism from all sides, liberals complaining about tax cuts and, lately, conservatives complaining about spending.

A Cato Institute analyst wrote Jan. 23 calling the increase "The Republican Spending Explosion,” and said discretionary spending increases signed by Bush -- once adjusted for inflation -- "are 3 of the 10 biggest annual increases in the last 40 years.”

A Heritage Foundation analyst wrote that "spending has increased twice as fast under President Bush as it did under President Clinton," and attributed the spending surge less to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 than to a lack of "self-discipline required to balance fiscal priorities."

But Richard Kogan of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities says that even with the big increase in spending overall, Bush still is “modestly shortchanging, and maybe not so modestly in some cases, some domestic programs that have worked well.”

And only if you consider a 16% increase over 3 years to be "small."

Posted by: delantero | September 21, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Wright - what I know of him, he believes the USA got what it deserved on 9/11. No one can say with certainty what 9/11 represents, and perhaps Wright has some kind of point. I know Falwell said something similar. BUT.. and here's the but.. so many liberals who say they don't believe in God agree with Wright.. what's up with THAT?

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:43 PM
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I challenge you to find the sermon where Rev Wrights says that "the USA got what it deserved on 9/11." Please.

Thanks

Posted by: Just another reader | September 21, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Republican campaigners, and I don't mean most of the Republican party, who fall victim to these swindlers, are the biggest liars and cheaters.

Witness the Florida election:

1. Voter purges. Florida illegally purged thousands of voters based on very "loose" criteria for ID matches with felons. The criteria for "matches" disregarded dates of birth, genders, middle initials, Jr./Sr., and race, and counted only the first 4 letters in the first name. Illegal purging of voters must never again be tolerated.

2. Conflicts of interest of Elections Officials: Katherine Harris, the chief elections officer for Florida, was also the co-chair of the Bush campaign. Jeb Bush was overseeing Florida's elections even though he was the brother of one of the candidates. Antonin Scalia did not recuse himself in Gore vs. Bush despite that two of his sons were lawyers working for the Bush campaign. Clarence Thomas did not recuse himself despite that his wife had the job of reviewing resumes for potential Bush administration appointees.

3. Illegal counting of absentee ballots: Ballots that were postmarked late were counted.

4. Harrassment/obstruction of voters: Police were citing voters for loitering even when they were just standing in the voting line. Multiple forms of identification were asked for at the polls that were not required by law. No bilignual support at the polls.

5. Shortage of voting machines: Voters stood in line for hours only to be told they couldn't vote because of a shortage of voting machines.


The campaigners got who they wanted in office. And the country has gone to hell.

Posted by: Haywood J. Blome | September 21, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

PA Voter,

The ONLY reason Obama will loose PA or the election for that matter is because of racism. Sorry folks, but that's the facts. That's why Hillary won PA and other tight states, because scare, racist whites would rather vote for a white woman than a black man. It doesn't matter he is also "white", his skin color doesn't wash off and that's all that counts.

I would say it was a disrespect to Hillary except I feel she actively cultivated those fears to her advantage. Now with McCain all he has to do is be white to win. It doesn't matter that many people don't really agree with his policies. Well as much as we know about his new and improved ones where they exist.

People are finally starting to talk about this and it needs to get out in the open.

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race

I'm not saying all people are voting who would vote democrat are voting for Palin-McCain because of race, but enough so that someone who should have a cake walk to winning has to fit every step of the way just because of the color of his skin.

And I don't want to hear the "he's not experienced" guff, Palin should be just as ready to be president as Obama, Biden or McCain and she clearly is not. If you really believe she is I call you out as a hypocrite.

Posted by: Dave | September 21, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Truth Hurts, so that's the best defense you've got? Weak. Meek. Poor.

Posted by: PA Voter | September 21, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans will do anything to win an elections.

The blind leading the blind: they shall both fall into a ditch.

Enough of Republican "leading." They care only about the richest people in the country. Screw everyone else.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, ROFL!!!! Obama and the Dem's don't lie ... ROFL!!!!!

Posted by: PalinPower | September 21, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

All of these financial institutions are failing because they've run out of new ways to suck blood out of the working class. If we were paid what we actually earn, instead of giving all profits to the executives, we wouldn't have bad loans, and the economy would thrive.
McCain's either an ignoramus or an evil glutton. Either way, he and panicky-winging-it-PTA-moose-woman are the last people we need in the White House right now.

Posted by: Charles | September 21, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama just cant help himself, when it come to race baiting in this campaign.

It doesn't say much about his character, which happens to be poor, in its nature.

Posted by: Bishop TuTu | September 21, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

PAVoter

The Chicago Tribune has been running a "Where They Stand" on the issues since the beginning of the campaign. It's not mentioned in there.

Why look at the Chicago Tribune? While it's in Obama's hometown, it has endorsed every Republican candidate for President since, I believe, the 1930s. So I considered them an unbiased source.

No WaPo, No FoxNews, No Weekly Journal or Weekly Standard.

So I stick by my original statement. I have never seen it. Doesn't mean people aren't saying it, but also doesn't mean it's true.

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 21, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

TommyF, I will try to address all of these briefly...

(1) his propositions: they "sound" expensive to me.
I agree. Particularly the Health Plan. However, I am not sure what to say about that other than, when you or I want something in our home, we find a way to pay for it if it is a priority. So the question is, is universal health care a priority? The other programs ( e.g., investment in alternative energy, green jobs) are actually not worriesome as they are simply government investments in the economy. No different than government has done throughout time. I think people just view them as some sort of social program because a democrat is proposing it.

(2) his economic advisors: Rubin and Volcker have credentials, but they also have minuses
OK, as do all advisors. Point taken.

(3) his background: you have a better idea than I do.. my "feeling" is a liberal professor, who likes to "meddle" with economic workings.. IMO
Actually, that is not the "Chicago school" at all, I believe that he is much more centrist in this area than most democrats. I believe he will be more likely to minimize regulation in industries that run well and have as little as possible in the more problematic areas. He will not however go as far as total deregulation. By the way, actually many economist today believe that total deregulation (true free markets) cannot work.

(4) his interviews: you gotta admit, he's cagey (good or bad).. I don't like that I've seen in multiple interviews what I perceive to be reluctance to give it to us straight... others may see this differently

This is his largest failing as a politician. He is more professor than salesman. Unlike many, I actually prefer this as it seems more thoughtful and honest rather than just claiming, I have the answer, its simple, so I can fix it. The issues of economy, environment, foreign policy, and social services are complex and interrelated. I appreciate people who treat them that way.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I live here in DC and I have friends who are professional journalists. And yet, I can't believe how biased they are against McCain/Palin. Last Sunday I went to a cook-out with some of those types in attendace and they were talking about Palin with such hostility, almost hate. I can't understand it. And worse yet, they make no apologies for trying to advance Obama's candidacy...I have really never seen anything like it.
http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:30 PM
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Maybe the friends that you speak of have a better view than you do because this what they do for a living. Anyone who honestly states that they do not have a concern over McCain's judgement regarding his choice of VP as well as his handling of this weeks crisis is either an idiot or just plain dishonest.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

PaVoter, dito for Florida!!! We're going Red too!!

Posted by: JudyinFL | September 21, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

It's clear the Republicans are counting on lies and cheating again to win this election, as they did in 2000 and 2004.

You cheated to win. Very effective campaign strategy. But look where it got us.

The lying Republican machine is really good at winning elections but sucks when it comes to governing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

XGOP, what planet do you live on? If you believe the Dem's and Obama are going to abandon their "tax and spend" agenda, you've been fooled. His first plan is the most likely tax plan. Obama will SAY anything to win the election. From that point forward, it's anyone's guess.

Posted by: Taxes | September 21, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama said: "Now are there going to be some people who don't vote for me because I'm black? Of course, but the race issue will be a wash."

I wish I could be as confident. According to one Yahoo news poll, 1/3 of democrats think negatively about Blacks. What these people are saying when polled is that this view will impact their votes. And to think the democratic party calls itself the party of inclusion, and the USA as a whole wax sanctimonious in telling other countries and their societies how to live. We are such a beacon to follow, I'm sure.

Posted by: tydicea | September 21, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

anonymous, wake up ... you are on Obama's 5th change in taxes ... he's clueless!

Posted by: Taxes | September 21, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Dave, you sound frustrated just like the Obama camp. Obama needs PA and fortunately, we're going Red this year!

Posted by: PA Voter | September 21, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1031268,CST-NWS-tax30.article
“The 95 percent-plus of the American population that earns less than $250,000 would see the following tax breaks: A $500-per-worker tax credit for people who earn less than $150,000 and do not itemize, and a $4,000 credit per child in college. Seniors who earn less than $50,000 would pay no income tax.
Largely because his tax proposals would leave tax breaks for the wealthy in place, McCain's plan would cost the U.S. Treasury more than Obama's, the Tax Policy Center found.

The precise cost depends on whether you assume the current tax breaks would be renewed or would expire. Assuming they would have been renewed anyway, Obama's plan would bring in an additional $700 billion in taxes over the next 10 years, while McCain's would cost the Treasury $600 billion. Assuming legislators would have let the tax breaks expire, Obama's plan would cost the U.S. Treasury $2.7 trillion and McCain's $3.7 trillion.”

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

usa3: If you mean "Dobson" then you probably don't realize what a respected figure this man is in the field of child-rearing, perhaps second to (or superior, depending who you ask) to Spock. Dobson has a particular world view - you can't begrudge him that and call yourself American. You must defend him, as he would defend you.

Hagee is odd. He supports Israel, but I'm not sure I like his philosophy on the subject. As far as his outbursts, consider him the Joe Biden of Christianity - good intentions, big mouth.

Wright - what I know of him, he believes the USA got what it deserved on 9/11. No one can say with certainty what 9/11 represents, and perhaps Wright has some kind of point. I know Falwell said something similar. BUT.. and here's the but.. so many liberals who say they don't believe in God agree with Wright.. what's up with THAT?

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

TruthHurts, ooops I meant to say, You make WAY LESS than $250K/yr and own a business? You aren't learning what you need to know to be successful posting here all night nor are you going to change anyone's mind.

Posted by: JudyinFL | September 21, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

More tax cuts for the middle class means more money to buy stuff, which means companies will do better.

Trickle down economics hasn't worked, folks. Vote Obama/Biden because they will give higher tax cuts to the middle class while McCain will give the largest tax cuts to only those making over $2 MILLION a year. Giving the richest people more and more money hasn't helped the economy. Unemployment is highest in 6 years.

The fat cat CEO's have been jumping ship with millions from Enron to today’s Wall Street, and leaving us middle class ordinary tax payers paying for government buyouts of huge companies. Folks, IT AIN'T FAIR. We don't have to stand for this. Make your voices heard and your votes COUNT!!!!

Posted by: J. | September 21, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

PA Voter, why do you waste time posting this trash? It has absolutely no inherent validity and at best is speculative. Man, you are either a campaign troll or very gullible.

Posted by: Dave | September 21, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Two people have already posted information on Obama's tax proposals that are entirely false; Taxes even posted the material as if it were true along with a web-site that declares it a lie. I guess they are trying to distract people from the facts that if you make less than $250,000 a year your taxes will go down under Obama's proposals. And McCain's health care tax proposals would certainly raise the amount I pay in taxes.

Posted by: XGOP | September 21, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

TruthHurts, Wow, You make less than $250K/year AND own a business? You should be hitting the books instead of blogging! Lots to learn!

Posted by: JudyinFL | September 21, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

See comparisons of the two candidates tax proposals at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html. Obama will CUT your taxes if you make less than $ 226,981 per year. Obama will NOT raise your taxes if you make under $603,402 per year. Obama will raise your taxes only if you make more than $603,403 a year. If you make less than $111,645 a year, Obama will CUT your taxes by between 1.8 % and 5.5% while McCain will only cut your taxes by between 0.2% (which is hardly anything) and 1.4%. SO IF YOU MAKE LESS $111,646 PER YEAR, YOU WILL DEFINITELY GET MORE TAX CUT FROM OBAMA THAN MCCAIN.

McCain will give the biggest tax cuts to those making more than $2.8 MILLION a year. He will give you a tax cut of only 0.2 to 1.4% if you make less than $111,645 a year, while Obama will give you a tax cut of between 1.8% and 5.5%. Why should McCain give those making more than 2.8 million a year so much more of a tax cut than those making less than $111,645 a year? That’s not fair. So if you make more than $111,646 per year and nothing matters to you more than your taxes, then and only then should you vote for McCain.

CHECK THE FACTS OUT BEFORE YOU SHORT-CHANGE YOURSELF, FOLKS!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

AffirmativeActionMcCain, i'm not sure how the candidates college records are relevant? Particularly, Mccain since he has not been in college in 50 years. He is an entirely different person by now

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

wilsonmg: I can see where you're coming from. We have to take into account:
(1) his propositions: they "sound" expensive to me.
(2) his economic advisors: Rubin and Volcker have credentials, but they also have minuses
(3) his background: you have a better idea than I do.. my "feeling" is a liberal professor, who likes to "meddle" with economic workings.. IMO
(4) his interviews: you gotta admit, he's cagey (good or bad).. I don't like that I've seen in multiple interviews what I perceive to be reluctance to give it to us straight... others may see this differently

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

PAVoter, Why are you posting whole partisan articles? How does that advance any serious discussion?

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey Alan TX, just remember, while you know how to spend your money, the Government is spending $10 billion a month in Iraq whether you like it or not, and now they're bailing out Wall Street. Again, you have no say in the matter. And if you or any of your fellow Texans got washed out by Ike, you'll get help from OPM, too.

Posted by: Kathleen Hussein in Maine | September 21, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

TruthHurts, you haven't seen it because you don't want to see it. I've done your homework for you:

Obama Tax Policies Penalize, McCain's Reward
by Terry Easton

06/17/2008

McCain versus Obama. In this supposed year of twiddle-dee, twiddle-dumb left-of-center presidential candidates, some pretend it’s easy to argue that John McCain’s presidency wouldn’t be so very much different from Barry Obama’s.

Nothing could be further from the truth. When you compare the Republican’s tax position of enlightened free-market capitalism versus the Democrat’s heavy socialist agenda, the differences become obvious -- especially to anyone who pays taxes. Obama’s tax plans will hit the middle class American where it hurts the worst: in his wallet.

Let’s take income taxes first.

McCain calls for no changes to today’s low rates. Obama will revert to the pre-Bush tax cut regime. Bottom line: if you’re single, making $30,000, McCain will tax you $4,500. Obama will extract $8,400 from your wallet -- almost double the take! Single making $50,000: McCain’s tax is $12,500; Obama’s is $14,000. Single making $75,000: McCain’s tax is $18,750. Obama will bite you for $23,250.

And it’s no better if you’re married. Married making $60,000: McCain’s tax is only $9,000. Obama will hit you for $16,000. Married making $75,000: McCain’s tax is $18,750, Obama’s $21,000. Married making $125,000: McCain’s tax is $31,250. Obama’s hit -- $38,750. Ouch, Obama!

So much for Obama’s plan to tax the “filthy rich”. Now we know just what that means: everyone in the middle class.

Well, you say, what about capital gain taxes?

Again, McCain says he’ll make no changes. The maximum rate will stay at 15%. Obama is all for change. He’ll roll back this tax cut to the pre-Bush rate of 28%, again almost doubling your taxes overnight. This plan is especially cruel to older folks who have planned to sell their bigger homes and count on using this income (after their homeowner’s exclusion) to help fund their retirement. Ouch again, Obama.

Then there is the dividend tax.

OK, you’ve been religiously saving over the decades and buying up blue-chip stocks whose dividends you now count on to carry you through your golden years. Or, you have your savings invested in an IRA or retirement plan, mutual fund or life insurance annuity. McCain’s dividend tax won’t change from the maximum rate of 15%. Obama will once again repeal the Bush tax cuts, bumping this tax rate up to 39.6%, an increase of -- hold your wallets -- over 160%. The impact on the middle class, much less our barely-growing economy -- are obvious. Really ouch, Obama!

Finally, when you die and have arranged to pass on your hard-earned savings to your family, the differences are truly staggering.

McCain’s proposal is, once again, stay the course. His tax rate is zero (Bush repealed the death tax). Obama promises to bring back the bad old days, which will hit the middle class but barely touch his billionaire supporters who’ve used sophisticated tax planning strategies to escape this tax. Under the Obama plan, the government will take up to 60% of your estate away from your children and family -- and pocket your money via the inheritance tax. For Obama, the politics of envy trumps common sense, fundamental morality and basic economics. So what’s new?

Unfortunately, the horror story above is only the start. The Democrats are calling for yet more new punitive taxes on the working and middle classes: 1) a higher federal gasoline excise tax, 2) new taxes on electricity and heating gas, 3) new retirement account taxes, and 4) taxes on “oversized” homes over, say, 2500 square feet are but a few of the wacky ideas being floated.

Of course, if these new taxes actually are passed, the US economy really will tank, and on the Democrat’s watch. The economy continues to grow because consumers still have money in their wallets to continue buying -- just. The Democrats would confiscate this money to fund more boondoggle and pork-filled government spending schemes like 3rd-world socialized medicine schemes, so-called global warming carbon credit schemes promoted by Al Gore’s profit-making carbon trading company, and ever-expanding government bureaucracy. Who will have any money left to buy that latest plasma TV, much less the $5/gallon gasoline and $10/pound hamburger?

So lots of Americans are dreaming of “change” in this presidential election year. Let’s pray that their nightmares don’t come true.

One real measure of personal freedom is how much money the government lets you keep to spend for yourself as you see fit. In the old Soviet Union, the communists took almost 100% of the people’s earnings in their “worker’s paradise”. They created a prison state of slaves. It’s an old axiom in politics -- and economics -- that the more you tax the people, the more you can control them. McCain’s policy is to continue the current relatively low tax program. Obama hopes that he will carry us all into the “Brave New World”, a world of draconian taxes that will crush our personal freedoms.

Of course, Obama’s words may be all rhetoric and political pandering designed to gain votes. In this case his followers are once again being hoodwinked into believing that his call for “change” is genuine. Let’s hope that’s the case. This would mean Obama may be cynical -- but rational in his populist strategy. However, suppose he really does believe that what we need is massive tax hikes? May God help us all.

Posted by: PA Voter | September 21, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain confessed he gradated 5th from the bottom of his class not even the bottom 10 or 20 as already been reported! How in the world dis this semi illiterate graduated from Annapolis? Oh?, I know, with a lot of back room dealings from pappy.

Add to the ticket an equally dumb Palin, 6 different schools in 5 years to get a basic degree, the GOP ticket may be the most under educated in memory!

Why is this a problem? a McCain/Palin ticket means what you are voting for will not be what you get if they are elected. This two will be nothing but figure heads to be controlled and manipulated by their handlers as special interest groups.

A McCain/Palin WH will be worst that Bush/Cheany's.

Posted by: Affirmative Action McCain | September 21, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

TommyF,

I'll take Rev Wright any day over Hagee. If you actually listen to Wright's sermons rather than the sound bites, you might actually find out he isn't the radical racist he was made out to be. In fact it goes against the very doctrine of his church.

All I can tell you is this white person is more troubled by what people like Dodson and Hagee spew than anything Wright ever said.

Posted by: usa3 | September 21, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I can respect that TommyF. We have know way of knowing I guess. But that can be said of all pres. candidates. The only reason I don't think he will be a big taxer (no bigger than B. Clinton) is that he seems to have been influenced by the people at U. of Chicago in terms of his thinking on the markets and stimulating growth, etc.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Once again McCain sticks his foot in his mouth.

If he could just keep his big trap shut for the remainder of the campaign, he could pull this off -- but no.

So let's see: he's gonna replace a conservative free-marketer with a socialist, who bears more than his fair share of the responsibility for whole mortgage mess.

Great idea, dufus!

Posted by: info | September 21, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

wislonmg, if supporting keeping taxes low is considered "part of the problem", then I will gladly wear that badge!

Posted by: Taxes | September 21, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

wilsonmg: Thanks, just trying to be factual.

I have an opinion: I THINK Obama's tax structure will not only be more burdensome than McCain's but I also THINK that Obama will tax more than he lets on. But that is an opinion, not a "fact" or a "lie."

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Hugh, going to Human Events and believing what they say is a little over the top. You do what you want, but I am guessing it is another scare tactic, but you be the judge.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | September 21, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, if McCain wins will he owe cranky old white people? Will Palin owe evangelicals and women? Who care? Blacks have historically voted in large proportion for Democrats, so what if they have a little ethnic pride and drive up the numbers for Barack? I do believe an awful lot of Catholics felt really good about JFK. Likewise, Dukakis stirred up a lot of Greek-American pride and support, Lieberman some Jewish pride and support, and of course, the Bushes had quite a bead on the WASPS. Get over yourself.

Posted by: Kathleen Hussein in Maine | September 21, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

PAVoter -
Back to the character assassination again. I thought we were talking about your view on the bailout. I'll take your non-response as acceptance of my points.

Since you don't want to talk about that, I'll take on your points

- Capital Gains
Never seen anything saying Obama would take away homeowner exemption on capital gains.

Dividend Tax
- The vast majority of people who own stock have them in 401Ks, which are tax-exempt if you take them out when they mature and taxed as income + penalty if you take it out early. So the dividend tax affects a small group of people ... namely, those who own enough stock in dividend-paying stocks to use as their primary income. Which is no one I know, even my retired parents.

Income Tax
- Obama is only reversing on the top tax brackets ($250K+), not everyone. So my taxes will not go up. I make WAY less than $250K.

Inheritence Tax
- I own a business, so I know that law. The first $5M is non-taxed and would continue to be under Obama.

New Taxes
- I have not seen those taxes ANYWHERE in his proposals. All urban legend.

So what elese do you have?

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I got news for you folks, if the $700 million plus bailout goes through the way it is, your taxes are going to go up no matter who you vote for.

First denial, then anger,...

Posted by: john5750 | September 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

actually cassandra, many people black, white, hispanic, gay, straight, christian, muslim, jewish, etc...are voting for him for a number of reasons. not all are voting for him JUST because he is black. Don't insult peoples intelligence that way.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I have a better idea, anyone who votes for Obama is required to pay double taxes. Let them pay for their mistakes. All of these deranged Libs think tax and waist is how to opperate a government. It's my money and I know how to spend it for myself.

Posted by: Alan, TX | September 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I live here in DC and I have friends who are professional journalists. And yet, I can't believe how biased they are against McCain/Palin. Last Sunday I went to a cook-out with some of those types in attendace and they were talking about Palin with such hostility, almost hate. I can't understand it. And worse yet, they make no apologies for trying to advance Obama's candidacy...I have really never seen anything like it.
http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"Both Obama and McCain would continue to exempt the first $250,000 of gain from the sale of a primary residence ($500,000 for a married couple filing jointly) which results in zero tax on all but a very few home sales."

Hugh - does this affect your opinion now? I thought this was the clincher.

Posted by: Steely Dan | September 21, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

usa3: For the lazy, here is the link:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/22/mccain-reverses-himself-to-reject-hagees-support/

You may say he "flipped" but where does that leave Obama with Wright?

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for being a good American TommyF. All of the tax information being shared on here has been faulty. Everyone should do the research on both candidates themselves!

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama said "There are probably some African Americans who are voting for me because I'm black."
............. some? .. who is he kidding ... over 90%-95% of blacks are voting for him ... and he will owe black people after this election!!

Posted by: Cassandra Washington | September 21, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

TAXES,
you are part of the problem in this country. we can't ever come to good decisions because everyone is just fighting at any cost (including their own truthfulness) for their party to win

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

"Of course, Obama’s words may be all rhetoric and political pandering designed to gain votes. In this case his followers are once again being hoodwinked into believing that his call for “change” is genuine. Let’s hope that’s the case. This would mean Obama may be cynical -- but rational in his populist strategy. However, suppose he really does believe that what we need is massive tax hikes? May God help us all."

Posted by: Obama | September 21, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

The choice could not be clearer.

McCain is an old politician without an original thought in his mind and speaks cliche after cliche. He hasn't a clue what is going on...and chose a extreme far-right inexperiened but charismatic fire-cracker to get the conservative and xtian vote. If Palin left the ticket, no one would show up to see McCain. If he dropped out,
Palin's audience would probably double.

Clearly, they are voting for Palin, not McCain.

After the turgid waters of McCain, Obama was a fresh drink of water. Clear-headed, thoughtful, direct, in grasp of the current situation and the steps needed to be taken right after the election.

He is not without fault or problem, but he is the future.

Posted by: McRumi | September 21, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh sure Hugh, I am sure that was just what pushed you over the line. RNC troll.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Hugh:

While I support McCain, your research may be faulty. I went to the link and they say that the facts you cite are from a fake e-mail which circulates. Please double-check.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

HUGH. Look up the tax plan YOURSELF! Stop counting on misinformation! Educate yourself

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Hugh, the Democrats are calling for yet more new punitive taxes on the working and middle classes: 1) a higher federal gasoline excise tax, 2) new taxes on electricity and heating gas, 3) new retirement account taxes, and 4) taxes on “oversized” homes over, say, 2500 square feet are but a few of the wacky ideas being floated.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27025

Posted by: Taxes | September 21, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

TommyF, in your dreams. And remember McCain gleefully accepted it. Next you will deny that was McCain standing next to Hagee when he endorsed him. Maybe it was Obama in a McCain mask. Nice try but no polar bear.

Posted by: usa3 | September 21, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Taxes on house profits is a clincher for me. Sorry I can't vote for Obama.

Posted by: Hugh | September 21, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

PalinPower -- all politicians may BS some of the time, but Palin is exceptional in that in her debut on the national stage, in less than a month she has told multiple lies, repeatedly, had them exposed, and yet she keeps on keepin' on. And in fact, that's all she says because she does not dare veer off script. Witness the constricted format the McCain campaign insisted upon for the VP debate. God forbid poor Palin actually give and take. It's all going to be canned lie-bites.

All the investigative pieces I've read about her show her to be fairly ruthless, and, basically, full of it. Again, no shocker in a politician. But that doesn't give her a servant's heart.

I believe her lack of experience isn't about experience, per se, it's about a lack of curiosity and self-education about the world beyond tapping Alaska's oil revenues and federal earmark largess to fund the ultimate welfare state. You may like her instincts, but I find her to be a foot wide and an inch deep. There is no there there. The best I can say for her is that her natural charisma and communication skills show promise. But she has a long, long way to go before she's ready for the White House in any capacity.

Look into your own heart, beyond your politics, and you know that her breath of fresh airiness isn't enough for the times we're in. But apparently she's who you want to follow lemming-like off a cliff. Just don't take the rest of us with you.

Posted by: Kathleen Hussein in Maine | September 21, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Hugh, there is no new tax proposal for homes greater than 2400 sq ft. Herein lies the problem with getting information on these boards. I suggest you look up the information on tax plans on the sites of McCain and Obama directly.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see a poll of Catholics that attend church weekly, monthly and almost never (cultural catholics).

Posted by: MitchMaverick | September 21, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000
per home (couples) McCain does not
propose any change in existing
home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales

How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you
will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.

If you are heading toward retirement
and would like to down-size your
home or move into a retirement
community, 28% of the money you
make from your home will go to taxes. This
proposal will adversely affect the
elderly who are counting on the income
from their homes as part of their retirement income.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html

Posted by: Taxes | September 21, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

usa3: So very incorrect. Hagee gave his endorsement without solicitation. McCain rejected that endorsement.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

You blind and seemingly deaf Repub's don't appear to understand that McCain is not healthy..mind OR body and is staring at early onset dementia. The signs are all there and any amount of money can't change that. Do you honestly want Palin for your president if he can't continue?

Posted by: madph | September 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Elephant: Get rid of the scoundrels! Real change is coming. I will make them famous, you will know their names.

Donkey: You are the scoundrels and we know their names.

Elephant: Shut up.

W: See ya suckers!

Posted by: MartinDC | September 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

C'mon. Taxes on homes more than 2400 sq ft? That can't be true, that's crazy? Is this true?

Posted by: Hugh | September 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

To all of you Catholics out there, do I have to remind you McCain actively pursued Hagee's endorsement? Do I have to remind you what Hagee believes of the Catholic faith? This Catholic will NEVER vote for McCain!

Posted by: usa3 | September 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Who is Tommy? Ah, to know me...

But alas, you see not where I come from. I am not describing myself as that racist. I believe in the racist's right to vote. You do not. You are a fascist. My heroes are Jefferson, Voltaire, etc. Yours are Jim Crow.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

PalinPower, you really think Palin will fight for the people? I am guessing if I believe on 1/4 of what I am hearing about her the only person she will be fighting for is the Republican agenda and herself.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | September 21, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain was gung ho about deregulation, and also wanted to privatize and deregulate social security a while back, and of course, keep health care deregulated and private. As the country slips into a deep recession, health care and jobs will go to pot under McCain. And we also face hyperinflation.

McCain's plan for growth is to make government smaller, yet, did you notice, he is unable to say one thing that could be cut. The super rich will continue to get tax breaks, instead of the additional tax they could easily afford, and the middle class will end up bailing out the guys who got the 100 million dollar mortgage debacle bonuses. Seriously, how are they going to get that money back from those people they helped do the very thing they did. Phil Gramm is insane with greed, and he is McCain's economic adviser. I'm old, but several years away from McCain's age. Usually, I care very little about politics, but the LAST EIGHT YEARS have been totally unreal, with the chimp in the white house, and the neocons, and now wacked out grandpa/POW and Caribou Barbie leading us into End Times.

Posted by: Al Martin | September 21, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Hugh, here is Obama's tax increase: I'll do further research.

NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on
homes that are more than
2400 square feet

Posted by: Taxes | September 21, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

PAVoter, in my opinion, another responsibility of citizens in a republic is to make reasoned decisions from factual information. Posting information that is blatantly false helps no one.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Lots of youthful exuberance here, mostly mixed with extremism. Oh well, nothing really changes - I used to be that way too.

The main concerns here are whether Obama is a phony and whether McCain has made a poor choice with Sarah Palin. Both sides make a case, but I think the weight of phoniness is greater to Obama than poor judgment is to McCain.

As he said tonight, he stood up over and over. Love him or hate him, the record speaks. Obama may be a true commodity, but he talks too much about how we have to have faith in him.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Racists may vote. They are constitutionally-protected. I think I should call the ACLU to protect the voting rights of racists.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 9:58 PM
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Yes, but the racists should be voting in another country. Not in one where we believe "All men are created equal". There are plenty of places where bigots like you might be more comfortable, and we can build the country the constitution says we are.

Posted by: WhoisTommy? | September 21, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

mavisdarling as a former pregnant woman, I have no idea what you're talking about! Not every female is crazy, so yes that was SEXIST! I don't believe you're a female ... you're a man in drag.

Posted by: Angel | September 21, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

scrivener, it is so crazy it is believable. At one time I wouldn't have believed that our government was capable of doing these things, but with the Republicans in charge and the Bush administrations agenda of the scorched earth policy in trying to keep the Republicans in power forever, anything is believable.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | September 21, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Hugh, everyone get's taxed on profit made on the sale of their home over a certain amount. That is not an Obama provision, that has been in the tax code for a long time.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I have one question that maybe someone can answer and will help me decide on who I will vote for? Is it true that Obama wants to tax profit made on my home when I sell it?

Posted by: Hugh | September 21, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Kathleen Hussein in Maine, why you have just described every single politician! So, what makes your candidate any different? I put far more trust in someone who's in touch with reality. She's quite capable of surrounding herself with experts to advise her (same as every other President). She has the entire Congress at her disposal. I don't think it's a matter of finding the most qualified (example: Obama's inexperience), but finding the person who we believe will fight for the people and I do believe the only two who have demonstrated that are McCain and Palin.

Posted by: PalinPower | September 21, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I was undecided until McCain picked Palin. I will be voting for Obama. I'll take my chances on him even though he's untested. If McCain is elected and dies in office, our country is doomed. All I can say is, McCain better stay alive until Sarah has to resign in disgrace. The evidence coming out of Alaska about her ethics problems is pretty damning.

If she ever becomes president, we are in SERIOUS trouble. She doesn't care about the little people, she only cares about herself. I can't believe people are voting for her because she's HOT. Oh. My. God.

I really used to like McCain, but I seriously hate the man at this point. He sold us down the river and I will never forgive him. Just a month ago, Sarah didn't even know what the vice president DOES. She probably STILL doesn't.

And what if she gets PREGNANT again? You know she doesn't use birth control. That's ALL we need, is a crazed hormonal pregnant woman with at the helm. I'm sorry, that's not sexist. As a former pregnant woman, I know what I'm talking about!!

Vice Preg? Thanks, but no thanks.

Posted by: mavisdarling | September 21, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Please remove PAVoter's rants - they are factually untrue and should not be included in the "Comments" section.

Posted by: Tom | September 21, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Jenny, Jenny, Jenny:

So hunting for wolves is "viciously cruel", but killing unborn babies (even ones with disabilities) is tolerated. You liberals are such hypocrites.

Posted by: Jenny2 | September 21, 2008 10:04 PM
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Killing babies unborn and born is cruel. Leaving children orphaned is cruel, ignoring the poor is cruel, and trying to pretend you're a Christian based on Pro-Choice only is ridiculous. I'm pro-choice, against abortion, and I love people and animals. It is possible you know.

Posted by: Jenny | September 21, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

As I read throught the first couple of posts the same issues seem to arise in the comments of all articles about the presidential race. When did it become acceptable for serious issues to be argued without the use of reason or logic? For example, and not to pick on you but JudyinFL said:

"like it or not, believe it or not, but Obama's taxes WILL put us in a DEPRESSION. He is ill-equipped".

What happened to reasoned arguments based on a premise, propositions/facts, and a conclusion? It is factual that taxes on different segments of the population have been raised and lowered during times of economic downturn to differing effects. The decision to raise, maintain, or lower taxes must be made on a case by case basis depending on a myriad of factors. In no way is it reasonable to suggest that all tax increases result in an economic downturn just as it is not reasonable to suggest that all tax cuts are bad. Americans must take up their responsibility as citizens of a republic to educate themselves on the basic issues, like the economy so that we can make educated decisions based on reason and logic.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | September 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

FINANCIAL TERRORISM?
SOCIAL DARWINISM?

TARGETING OF U.S. CITIZENS BY GOVT AGENCIES A ROOT CAUSE OF FINANCIAL MELTDOWN?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis

OR members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

"just a five-SUV motorcade .. do they count as cars since he only owns one?)"

All presidential candidates get additional security in the form of motorcades/secret service. Obama doesn't own that - just like Bush. McCain and his wife own the 13 cars - which I don't care. Just letting you know the difference between owning and something that is given to someone by virtue of their position.

Posted by: Steely Dan | September 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Truth Hurts, you want the truth, here ya go! (Remember you heard it here, PA will go RED!!)

Tell us about the real sordid truth about Barack Obama: How for 20 years he sat silently as his minister, the radical preacher Jeremiah Wright, said he hated America — the same preacher who blamed the 9/11 attacks on OUR OWN GOVERNMENT. And then tell us that Obama believes this election is NOT about black and white. He isn't black anyway, he's more Arab than anything. Check his father's birthcertificate! ALSO, tell us about his long-term involvement with convicted felon Tony Resko in the purchase of Obama's$1,300,000 home! And tell us some more truth about Obama's despicable association with his friend William Ayers, who was on the FBI’s Most Wanted list for over 10 terrorist attacks.... Oh, and tell us the truth, PLEASE, about how, at age 25, Obama was backed by a radical Muslim activist close to the Saudi royal family when he applied to Harvard Law School!! And WHO raised money to pay Obama's tuition and fees!!

The Obama tax plan will ruin the average American, the only winners will be welfare users.
Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000
per home (couples) McCain does not
propose any change in existing
home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales
How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you
will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
If you are heading toward retirement
and would like to down-size your
home or move into a retirement
community, 28% of the money you
make from your home will go to taxes. This
proposal will adversely affect the
elderly who are counting on the income
from their homes as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6%
How will this affect you?
If you have any money invested in stock
market, IRA, mutual funds,
college funds, life insurance, retirement
accounts, or anything that pays
or reinvests dividends, you will now
be paying nearly 40% of the money
earned on taxes if Obama become president.
The experts predict that 'higher
tax rates on dividends and capital gains
would crash the stock market yet
do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN (no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama your taxes will
more than double!
How does this affect you? No explanation
needed. This is pretty
straight forward.
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
How does this affect you? Many families
have lost businesses,
farms and ranches, and homes
that have
been in their families
for generations because they could not
afford the inheritance tax.
Those willing their assets to loved
ones will not only lose them to
these taxes.
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on
homes that are more than
2400 square feet
* New gasoline taxes (as if
gas weren't high enough already)
* New taxes on natural resources
consumption (heating
gas, water, electricity)
* New taxes on retirement accounts
and last but not least....
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
so we can receive the same
level of medical care as other
third-world countries!!!

Don't even send me more links on Obama's taxes .. he has change his position too many times to count .. this is his initial plan which I am confident he will revert to. Depending on the polls, i'm sure this will change again.


Posted by: PAVoter | September 21, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

What concerns me about McCain is that he is reliving the past of the Vietnam war and trying to apply that to Iraq.
Specifically, what McCain always wants to do is apply more military resources, without regard to looking at a change in strategy.
Had we increased the number of soldiers earlier in Iraq--without changing strategy--we would have had more casualties. Only by changing tactics--bringing in the Sunnis, moving off of bases--did we see a change.
I criticize McCain as former Chair of the Armed Services Committee for not conducting oversight, for simplistically asking for force multipliers, and for failing to see that a change of tactics was necessary and failing to admit there was a failure.

Posted by: Bill | September 21, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, Sarah Palin and her "servant's heart." Do you not recognize a BS artist when you see one? They prevaricate on a continuum, from truthiness to shaded statements to half truths to fast-and-loose with the facts to outright bald-faced lies. And they tell them over and over again, always with charm, always with a smile. She is unqualfied, and McCain has disqualified himself by choosing her. Selfish man. Country first. What a crock.

Posted by: Kathleen Hussein in Maine | September 21, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't try to scare me with taxes! The proof is in the pudding! You voted your way and look where we are. Sen. Obama's plan will LOWER taxes for the middle class. After seeing the evidence, a vote for McCain is suicide. How can anyone think voting the same people into office can be change? Those of you who voted for Bush should not even consider McCain. You're holding on to party and not putting your country first.

Posted by: Andrea | September 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

FemaileforPalin, sorry, but she is not ready for prime time. At one time I would have voted for McCain, but he is anything but the Maverick he once was. The Palin pick apparently was to shore up the female base, like you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"It's time to show the American people that politics will not be part of this massive effort we're going to have to go on, to restore our nation's economy," McCain said.

This sounds like McCain's plan to escape every ounce of accountability. What laws restrict the RNC? Moving the president's politics to an undisclosed location is pure, unrestrained power running amuck. What if Nixon had done this? His illegal activities would never have been detected. Watergate would have been a RNC prank and nothing more. McCain is out of his mind!

Posted by: Truth Maverick | September 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Jenny, Jenny, Jenny:

So hunting for wolves is "viciously cruel", but killing unborn babies (even ones with disabilities) is tolerated. You liberals are such hypocrites.

Posted by: Jenny2 | September 21, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Al Martin: define "historical low."

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I know about that. I was there.

Tell you what, when you run for President and have a Secret Service detail, tell me how many SUVs you need. If you can fit them all in one SUV, it sounds like you don't have much of a detail.

The limo implies he's some rich guy who goes in a limo everywhere. I'm just saying that's not how it is.

Posted by: ChiView | September 21, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

WashPost: Not sure what you mean. If I'm "biased" then wouldn't I have an opinion which is biased. I thought I said that I liked and disliked both candidates tonight. As for your assertions that no one knows anything, I agree. Many jackasses populate my planet (which I created).

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain is not a psycho, but he did look panicky. He is hard pressed to say anything without it being a lie, and he looked (the blinking and all)nervous and non-Presidential.

He has stooped to a historical low in negative ad campaigning and having made this brash decision with moose girl for VP -- whom he met with twice (or is it really ONCE), and my God, this financial crisis is a huge, huge thing, and neither of them know what to do about it. At least Obama has the intelligence to understand information by experts and advisers.

At least Obama has a clue about ending the billion/trillion dollar war drain. I also like his plans for alternative energy, big time, because I believe that is the ONLY way to overcome ecological and economic crisis, and loss of jobs. We need a new economy, based on alternative energy.

When he asked where he'd lived the longest, and said Hanoi...I guess he was referring to his youth. Still, it seemed like he was using that as yet another opportunity to talk about the POW experience, and how he can relate every thing in his life to that. That scares me too. I picture him when the nukes start landing, talking about his POW days...going completely off his nutter.

McCain is running against John McCain, and with this new crisis in the economy, he is really going to have to turn himself in for a guilty plea.

Posted by: Al Martin | September 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

hmmmmr, I hardly call taxing the oil companies the same as Bush/Cheney ... isn't that what you've all been complaining about. Palin would probably be the best President of the 4 of them. I do believe she is the only candidate with a Servant's Heart. Like it or not.

Posted by: FemaleForPalin | September 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Jenny: stop "stealing" McCain's motto. Obama doesn't like it.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

TommyF, you are clearly biased. You have no clue who Obama is. You have no clue who Biden is. You have no clue who McCain is. None of us really know any of these candidates. We all go with their records. Obama is inexperienced and has no record to compare to. Of course, he is Present.

Posted by: WashPost | September 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

No matter what, Palin, is not ready or even close to being acceptable to be President. When voting party over country you end up with the likes of Bush and Company. Palin is in the mold of Rove and Cheney and we know how that has been working out.

McCain is the old way, he was once a maverick and now he is being run by Bush and company and the lobbyist who have taken this country down the path to ruin.

His surrogates can't even tell the country he won't have Graham as the treasury secretary. If that isn't scary enough for anyone then we are doomed.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | September 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Racists may vote. They are constitutionally-protected. I think I should call the ACLU to protect the voting rights of racists.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

PAVoter, what's your point?

First, without listing McCain's contributions, you lose credibility. How about the contributions for those on the Finance and Banking committees who set up the rules (or lack of rules) that causes this mess?

Second, make up your mind. Up until now, the skinny on Obama was that he hadn't been in DC long enough to make a difference. Now, he single-handedly caused the real estate bubble?

Either he hasn't been in DC long enough to make a difference (which meansyou lump the people that made the subprime loans with the people who bought them as an investment. I'm betting you don't think people will understand the difference, but there is one.

Third, Obama raised $66M last MONTH. Are we to believe that these $1M contributions over 4 years have led him be soft on banks?

Fourth, learn the difference between the people who created the loans (Countrywide, Washington Mutual, etc.) and those who bought/sold the loans (investment banks).

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 21, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain = War

Palin = War with a generous side of animal cruelty

Sen Obama = help for the people of THIS COUNTRY (otherwise know as "Country First")

Posted by: Jenny | September 21, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

racists, get some help or don't vote

Posted by: lsigalov1 | September 21, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Andrea, like it or not, believe it or not, but Obama's taxes WILL put us in a DEPRESSION. He is ill-equipped.

Posted by: JudyinFL | September 21, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Andrea: Let's say I agree that Obama is "brilliant." Will you agree that Obama talks an awful lot about fighting a war in Afghanistan and even Pakistan, and "military options" in Iran? Personally, I'd like to see someone address what's going on with Venezuela and Russia right now.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Rowan. I think Obama tries to agree with everyone, all the time, depending on polls. He changes his mind too much and you nailed it, he can't admit he made a mistake. That could be a serious issue with voters. My vote will always be for McCain but I am interested in hearing how the "undecided's" are coming to their conclusions, especially those who can get beyond his ability to deliver a speech and focus on substance. Good for you.

Posted by: VoteMcCain | September 21, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Rowan: Yes, I agree. The Saddleback interviews were watchable and decipherable. The "60 Minutes" interviews I'm not willing to say the same. Certainly, Obama was not willing to apologize but they also cut his answers way down. McCain looked tired but the editing didn't seem to be biased. The upcoming debates will settle a lot of minds.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Sen Obama is absolutely brilliant and makes me so proud to support him. McCain sounds like a broken record. war, war, war, and no plan for anything. The same people who voted for Bush are raging about mavericks and change. Change what? The mess YOU MADE? You were wrong about Bush and you are wrong again. Why is that so hard to accept? There's no denying the proof!! THE ECONOMY IS STILL THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

vote for change! Real change! Not the repackaged, re-branded, recycled, old stinky leftovers of a failed administration.

Posted by: Andrea | September 21, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Good Lord! You people haven't a clue who Sarah Palin is. I don't either. All you know is what you see on TV. All this crap about reproductive systems and guns. She's been on the scene less than a month, and there are some great things about her, and some not-so-great things. That makes her a human being.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

ChiView,
CHICAGO - Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama held his daughters' hands when he escorted them to their first day of school. The girls arrived at the University of Chicago Laboratory Schools Monday in a five-SUV motorcade after a short drive from their South Side home. (okay so it wasn't a limo ... just a five-SUV motorcade .. do they count as cars since he only owns one?)
(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...

Posted by: McCainTkt | September 21, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

My concern with Obama is that he says the things he thinks people want to hear, while McCain does so much less. Obama comes across to me as a person with analysis paralysis. Remembering the Carter years, I fear he is another Carter. This is why I am waiting to see the debates. The Saddleback forum and the 60 minute interview causes me to lean towards McCain. I'll see what happens in the debates. Alos a big concern for me is that it doesn't seem he can admit he made a mistake, which he did regarding the surge.

Posted by: Rowan | September 21, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Liberals are hypocrites, huh? They certainly don't have a monopoly on hypocrisy. The forever-lying (yes, the word is "LYING") Gov. Palin is not willing to give the government any say-so over guns that actually kill people, but yet will cede total control of her uterus and reproductive rights!

Posted by: DCCuate | September 21, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The whole interview sounded like it came from someone who's body and mind was snatched from his soul and replaced with another person. I used to have respect for John McCain but he has turned into the type of evil that is despised by all human kind.

Posted by: I HEARD THAT CRAZY THING MCCAIN SAID TOO!!!! | September 21, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous can spin poop into a popsicle in support of Obama. I've heard enough of him on prior blogs.

Posted by: JudyinFL | September 21, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

My kid goes to the same school at Obama's kids. Never seen a limo, but I have seen both Obamas at school events WITHOUT TV or press. For several years.

Besides, there's not enough room for a limo.

Posted by: ChiView | September 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama would make a good counsel but not a good President. He hasn't got enough toughness, and him showing toughness makes him look disingenuous. McCain is the better leader, for war, for experience in Senate matters. I would love to see McCain win and appoint Obama as Secretary of Housing, or Ambassador to the UN.

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

WakeUp, he meant nothing by his "60 minutes" remark ... such a stretch to make something out of nothing. If that's the only way Obama can win or you an make your point, both of you need to give it up.

Posted by: MattOhio | September 21, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Did you hear the part mid way through McCain speaking when he went on a tangent and started fumbling and said something to the effect alound "Never give long interviews, especially with 60 Minutes. This guy is brainwashed by others and the power he has been promised that his subconscious can't handle it any more and he is blurting out the details and directions so much so that he even says what they say about having interviews with 60 Minutes because he can't handle the pressure any more. He is cracking under pressure in front of your eyes. He is psycho.

Posted by: WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | September 21, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought both candidates looked ok tonight. McCain definitely set his record straight on a few things which some media and liberals have been spreading falsely, and Obama, I think, put his rabid fans in their place by saying that he accepts whatever racism there is in the country. Obama put some price tags down for us to see, but still too rehetorical, and McCain looked tired. As Obama said, "a wash."

Posted by: TommyF | September 21, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

It may go over the head of most 60 minute viewers, that the head of the SEC is not a position the president can fire, even though the interviewer alluded to that.

McCain said something about that he'd fire him anyway. That was one of the biggest surprises, being tough and brash about that. Imagine McCain trying to deal with the government in Iraq.

Uh, that's just what we've had 8 years of with Bush/Cheney -- doing whatever they want and rewriting the law as the go along.

Why doesn't he replace the SEC head with the former treasurer of Wasilla High. Sarah would. Going to be interesting to see what McCain does with Phil Gramm now. If we can get Joe Average to understand a bit of that incest, in relation to the depression were headed toward, McCain will not have a chance.

Posted by: Al Martin | September 21, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama: "I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis" - Not True --- You and your campaign buddy Penny 'Sub Prime Bank Collapse' Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash - Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST - Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?

Posted by: PAVoter | September 21, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm too lazy to look up Andrew Cuomo (I'm sure someone here will), but wasn't he the HUD Secretary under Clinton? What background does he have that would make McCain want to stick him at the SEC? Yeah, he's an attorney but that in itself doesn't give him any expertise in the area. Like I said, if I'm wrong someone here will let me know.

Posted by: Paula | September 21, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Tina, not sure you are qualified to judge intelligence??? How do you spell intelligent?

Posted by: Tina2 | September 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Rowan, please explain. I think folks get hung up on Obama's ability to deliver a speech and not always the substance of what the candidates are saying. I am interested in hearing more about how you came to your conclusions.

Posted by: VoteMcCain | September 21, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

The billionaire founder of Black Entertainment Television says Barack Obama would not be a leading presidential candidate if he were white and that the Illinois senator's campaign has "a hair-trigger on anything racial."

Posted by: Hussein | September 21, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

"I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." -- Hillary Clinton

Posted by: McCainSupport | September 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok I just watched the 60 minutes interview. I have not decided who to vote for yet and am waiting for the debates to decide. I was much more impressed by McCain than Obama.

Posted by: Rowan | September 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Shorter WaPo in this instance:

McCain offered to reach out to Democrats and straightforwardly blamed the Bush administration for Republican failures. Obama defended himself for being black and biracial and for not having experience.

Now I watched 60 Minutes and I saw McCain never answer a question that wasn't about his heroic past while Obama tried to be direct and honest about what faces the country. This WaPo summary didn't even give a hint of that. It used bits of reportage to avoid informing the reader. Nice work.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Each person needs to READ what the candidates say. No doubt Obama can deliver a speech but that doesn't change the fact that he has absoultey zero experience. Vote for the Hero, not for the Zero!

Libs,Hunting for wolves is "viciously cruel", but killing unborn babies (even ones with disabilities) is tolerated. You liberals are hypocrites!
You want Palin to answer questions--- so should Barack Obama!
-- What about his friendship to terrorist William Ayres
-- What about his 20 year friendship with racist and adulterer Rev. Jeremiah Wright
-- What about his ties and personal friendship to convicted felon Tony Rezko, who was one of Barack's major contributors during his time in the state senate.
-- What about Illinois having one of the highest unemployment rates-- during his tenure.
-- What about his habitual drug use when he was younger.
-- What about Chicago having one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country, when he hasn't done a single thing to help the people of his own community.
Why isn't the media asking Nobama these tough questions?-- I want answers, not a Senator who is gifted with skirting the issues.


Posted by: PalinVote | September 21, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

You know I wish people would remember how we got into this mess. First Gramm passed the deregulation bill with McCain's help, and of course we all remember his wonderful statement of "how americans are suffereing from a mental recession, and how we have become a nation of whinners." Oh, and guess who wrote McCain's economic farse? Gramm. Then you're lied into this stupid war in Iraq, where are the weapons of mass destruction? Where are the oil revenues? Where are the Iraqi's paying for eveyrthing? Why aren't we liberators instead of occupiers? Iraq looks like Germany and the Berlin Wall. They have segregated all groups with blast walls, but of course no one here cares about that. They still have no running water, or electricity, they have 80 billion dollars in revenue and no one can agree on anything and we are still spending 10 billion a month over there. We still have as many troops as we did before the surge and nothing has changed other than people are not being blown up daily. They are just being blown up every once in a while. We have lost over 4000 soldiers, thousands have been disable for life, marriages are falling apart, kids are losing parents, people aren't getting their disability and are losing their houses, many suffer from PTSD and are commiting suicide or murder and the republicans are saying, "Oh, well they volunteered." Then you have McCain voting against the GI bill oh, no that's not right I forgot he hasn't voted on anything in over 5 months, he hasn't even been to the senate. McCain has taken questions from a reporter in over 37 days, and Palin she's a joke. The republicans and this administration have killed this country and we are weaker now than in any other time in the history of this nation. Two wars, a military broken, an economic collapse, and other nations can't stand us. People had better wake up there is no way McCain is smart enough to handle this his first response is to blow someone up he is just not intellegent enough.

Posted by: Tina | September 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

There is also a report that Obama drops his kids off at school in a limo. Hmmmm, if they have one car, what does Michelle drive? This is bogus and not even a campaign issue.

Posted by: McCainTkt | September 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

ayers, wright, rezco, are choir boys compaired to bush and chaneys record in this country,4200 dead in iraq thousands wounded trillions of dollars in debt, 20million people living below poverty level, 800,000 homeless, and nothing would change with mccain.

Posted by: John | September 21, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Those 60,000 in Florida?

"The Villages, a vast, upscale planned community north of Orlando, has about 70,000 mostly adult residents -- many of them military retirees -- who vote reliably Republican in statewide races." In other words, the wave of the futurw...NOT!

As usual, the Repubs steer clear of any venue where someone might protest or challenge them.

Posted by: Veritas | September 21, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain came off as a semi-senile. Obama was articulate, thoughtful, fresh and youthful. Obama may turn off the stupid people in America by using words like "quintessential," but McCain is so out-of-touch with people's problems, he scares me.

That was pretty awkward, McCain explaining that his father was on his knees twice a day praying, but also a drunk.

I'm glad he was confronted about being fifth from the bottom at the Naval Academy. Does he serve as a good example for today's youth. As long as your Daddy can get you into a school, screw up all you want, because with connections like that, you may end up a Senator.

I wish they'd ask McCain the difference between Sunni and Shiite, to see if he's got that straightened out yet.

Posted by: Al Martin | September 21, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

cfc: say something we haven't already heard a trillion times from the right-wing trolls.

And here's Marcus' take on McCain's lies:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR2008091602874.html

Posted by: FactcChecker1 | September 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I watched these interviews.

McCain's blink rate would have sent a TSP system haywire --the ONLY time he stopped blinking was when he spoke about his belief in America during his captivity. Of course, that was braketed by his bland statement that he never lived anywhere longer than his time in Hanoi. Although we should respect his time in captivity --

Excuse me, this man has lived some 60 + years in Washington?

Obama was modest, honest, and straightfoward. He admits that we are still a racist country, but says he trusts in the basic decency of the American voter. His answers were thoughtful, intelligent, and informed.

McCain has trashed a numbe of campaigns, including this one, and by his own admission, a number of federally-owned airplanes. Contrary to the RNC mythmakers, his last plane was a minor bomber -- not a fighter. With his record, they wouldn't have trusted him with one of those multimillion dollar planes.

We can't afford to let him crash this country.

Posted by: Helen | September 21, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin attracted 60,000 people to her event in Fl today
'nuff said
http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS0107/80921022

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Even the CBS 60 Minutes correspondents think the Iraq surge was a success - the shell game has worked. ..........
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/09/22/the-iraq-surge-has-not-worked/

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | September 21, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Dems should ask the CEOs of the failed financial institutions to give back their compensation? They should call for new management teams.

Posted by: rom | September 21, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

What do you think of the television coverage of Sarah Palin and Joe Biden?

I am a student at American University and I am conducting this survey for educational purposes.

Please copy, paste and take.
I greatly appreciate your help!

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Posted by: Sarah Lion | September 21, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Why wasn't the Republican Presidential candidate interviewed? Oh that's right she's in Florida talking about how much she knows McCain and what he stands for, heck I thought I did but he certainly has changed my mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Newsweek reports that John and Cindy own 13 cars to go with their 7 houses. I guess both of them are just like us average people. Newsweek also reports that the Obama's have one car-a hybrid SUV.

Posted by: More Drilling | September 21, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

No amount of makeup or lighting can hid the fact that this old man already has one foot in the grave. Too bad he didn't pick a competent VP.

Posted by: ABM | September 21, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Old man McCain spent the time seated in a chair and he kept holding onto his crotch. Was he afraid of losing something?
McCain just kept repeating his attacks on Obama and offered nothing new either on the economy or in foreign affairs. A big waste of time.

Posted by: Sarah's Grandad | September 21, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain looked old, tired and very anxious. His favorite words were the surge, the surge, the surge. Just what this country needs, a tired old war horse ready for the glue factory.

Posted by: Out to Pasture | September 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

obama church leader wright gave an award to louis farrakan and he still attended...

obama worked with ayers, a domestic terrorist, well into 2002...

obama sure knows how to get people in a room together - wright, ayers and rezko..

Posted by: cfc | September 21, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

obama get rezko, ayers, and wright

in a room together and finds liberal compromise to take everyones money, guns, and religion away from them and force a left wing agenda of pelosi on all americans.

chicago style politics...with a san francisco twist!

Posted by: cfc | September 21, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cfc | September 21, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"Obama also addressed criticism that he's not experienced enough.
'One of the things I'm good at is getting people in a room with a bunch of different ideas, who sometimes violently disagree with each other, and finding common ground and a sense of common direction," he said. "And that's the kind of approach that I think prevents you from making some of the enormous mistakes that we've seen over the last eight years.'"
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Why didn't Sixty Minutes ask for an example? Please don't trot out the supposed "reform legislation" he--along with 82 other Senators--supported. Since he has been in Congress, he has been AWOL any time there has been a real effort to come to reach a consensus on difficult issues, including immigration and confirmation of judges. Of the two candidates, John McCain has the record of being able to build a consensus.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"Obama also addressed criticism that he's not experienced enough.
'One of the things I'm good at is getting people in a room with a bunch of different ideas, who sometimes violently disagree with each other, and finding common ground and a sense of common direction," he said. "And that's the kind of approach that I think prevents you from making some of the enormous mistakes that we've seen over the last eight years.'"
___________________________________________
Why didn't Sixty Minutes ask for an example? Please don't trot out the supposed "reform legislation" he--along with 95 other Senators--supported. Since he has been in Congress, he has been AWOL any time there has been a real effort to come to reach a consensus on difficult issues, including immigration and confirmation of judges. Of the two candidates, John McCain has the record of being able to build a consensus.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

So true Cara Prado...........lol...sad but true..

Posted by: natnicnic | September 21, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Scott Pelley: "In your mind, can you see her as President of the United States?"

McCain: "Absolutely."


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-meets-with-afghani.html

Saturday, September 20, 2008
Sarah Palin Meets with Afghan President Karzai (Transcript)

"Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin will meet next week with Afghan President Hamid Karzai in New York, on the sidelines of the opening of the U.N. General Assembly, according to Afghan officials in Washington."--Washington Post

TRANSCRIPT:

Palin: Oh, Mr. President, it is such a pleasure to meet you, you're the first head of state that I have had the opportunity to meet--which is more than many Vice Presidents--and I'm so glad that my first one is an Afghani.

You know, in Trig's class there was a little Afghani? He was the child of one of the oil executives, and he was so cute, with his little turban runnin' around, everyone just loved him, and felt for him...

Karzai: Yes.

Palin: And everyone knew that we just had to defend him and keep him free and that's why I think that with a Palin/McCain...

Palin Aide: (looking up from clipboard) McCain/Palin.

Palin: ...McCain/Palin ticket, we can make sure of that, if we have to attack Russia, even, I mean, to keep people free at home, just like we want to keep our people free. We have so much in common! I know you have the problem with the poppies, and I understand because we have the same problem with the crystal meth in Wasilla? And I said "Look, we've got to shake this up!" and then that's exactly what I said: 'Look, let's just see what we have in common with these guys!" And that's just what you could do with the Taliban, Mr. Karzai. They've already so moral, and they want people to live by the straight and narrow, and they've got the newspapers sayin' and the schools doin' lots of the right things. They just need to get some of the right ideas, and pray to the right Lord. And, if they don't understand, we still have the weapons left over from Iraq, and then we can't blink, we can't blink, can we, Mr. Karzai?

Karzai: (Looks at Palin silently without moving his head. Pauses.). Blink?

Palin: Right. The thing is, we just have to hit the ground runnin', Mr. Karzai. That's what I do. A few weeks ago I didn't even know what a Vice President does! That's why I put a clock on my wall--do you have the same clocks as we do in Afghanistan? With the twelve numbers? (points in air to numbers on air clock)--Anyway, I said "I'm gonna measure just how much time I have left here" and that's what you could do, I think, with the war, Mr. Karzai, is to put up a clock so you know just how much time you have left until you finish it. I tell you, Mr. Karzai, it's such a motivating influence on my staff, the good ones, anyway, they know what they're supposed to finish and when, they hear me sayin' "Look at the clock, people, look at the clock, and know what you have left to finish..."

Karzai: Yes.

Palin: And so I said to my husband, Todd--I call him the "First Dude"--Do you have that word 'Dude' there in Afghanistan?--maybe it's like "Khan" or "Emir" or somethin'?--I said to him, 'Todd, we have to take a look at what's happenin' in Afghanistan--before McCain called or any other thing happened--' cause I saw that Russia was right across from us and then right next to that you have all the Stans (counts cross fingers) Kyrgyzstan, oh, what's the others?--well, you are aware of them, of course, Mr. Karzai (laughs)...

Karzai: (Nods)

Palin: And if we don't let other people know of what I'm aware of, then the world won't change, Mr. Karzai. I know we have the same goals even if we don't have the same God yet...(aide touches Palin on shoulder, whispers). 'Even', not 'yet', I meant 'same God even', Mr. Karzai. And my point is, we can't let others stop our choice, which is freedom for those who deserve it, and that's why I know a Palin/McCain...

Palin Aide: (reaching over to touch shoulder)

Palin: Stop! (brushing aide's hand off)...McCain/Palin ticket will do just what you want, Mr. Karzai...

Second Palin Aide Approaches: It's time for your next appointment, Gov. Palin.

Palin: It was so good meeting you, President Karzai, and all of your other people, it was so good meeting you too! Shalom! (waves, exits)

Karzai: (to his aide, in Pashto): She makes the last one look like the Grand Mufti.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-meets-with-afghani.html

Posted by: Cara Prado | September 21, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

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