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Christian Group Airing Pro-Obama Ad in Ohio

By Ed O'Keefe
A new radio ad that begins airing in Ohio on Friday employs some key biblical phrases in an attempt to gain support for Barack Obama among the state's Evangelical Christians. Former Congressman Tony Hall, an anti-abortion Democrat, voices the message produced and paid for by the Matthew 25 Network, an independent political group run by progressive Christians.

"We have lost thousands of jobs, and folks are struggling with bills this month, forget about next month," Hall says in the ad. "We need a president who sees those who are hurting and cares for the least of these. This is why I am supporting Barack Obama. As a child, Barack knew hard times too. He had to rely on food stamps to get by. And as a Christian, Barack believes God calls us to care for those in need. He has spent his life doing just that. As president, Barack Obama will work to feed the hungry, create good jobs, cover health care and cut taxes for those who need it most."

Hall's use of the words "Least of these" could earn Obama credibility with Christian voters familiar with the widely quoted 40th verse from the 25th Chapter of the Bible's Book of Matthew: "I tell you the truth, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me." Obama is one of many politicians, most notably President Bush, who sprinkle political speeches with biblical references. It's done in an effort to earn "Bible-belt bona fides," as Newsweek magazine once described the president's efforts.

"I think it's something that people are familiar with," Matthew 25 director Mara Vanderslice said of the passage. "It's going to connect to a story and to a very important foundational teaching in the Gospel."

Political outreach by Christian groups has long been associated with Republican candidates and conservative causes. "One of our goals with this project is to raise up a different Christian witness," Vanderslice said. Whereas more established Christian groups may focus on abortion or same sex marriage, Matthew 25's main concerns include family, eradication of poverty and world peace. It aired a pro-Obama TV spot during last month's Saddleback Forum that emphasized his role as a husband and father.

The group has not finalized its ad buy, but intends to air it on Christian radio stations in ten to fifteen markets across Ohio, at least 30 to 40 times on each station, Vanderslice said.

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your barrak,barry,hussain,obama,ottoro,is a home grown islamic radical, terroist bought and paid for by saudia prince, you obamanics, should get your facts from verified sources abd you would find othe truth , obama and his congressional support is a gathering of the scum of the earth that layed around on our college grounds in the sixties often rederred to the age of aquaris, wasting hardearned tax payers money, smoking and shooting dope, flying out multi-story buildings, normal americans donot want this filth running our country. get a life we donot to pay for it. if this enpty suit should by any stretch make, thirty percent of the population is qualified, legally, to walk out of this work force and stop the income nessary for his tax and income redistribution program.

Posted by: antiterroist | September 21, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

I just think this is wonderful news.
Don't blame Palin mistakes as being Christian. This word means "to be Christ like" in other words having the same nature and displaying the same attributes as Christ did.

What she did was decietful and dishonest, I mean if I fail to answer a soapena guess where I would be. Lock down 5th floor cell number 4G.

It doesn't matter though because if you remember the good book say everything that is done in the dark will come to the light.

They may be getting away with it for now but once Obama wins, the protection she has from the republicans will be over.

and to be honest I think she is a nice woman who just let her feminist views get in the way of her position.

Posted by: Mark from Tenn | September 19, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

If many of you are still uncertian then take a look at why Obama is the better choose.

Posted by: Mark From Tenn | September 19, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Crazy Me: Talk about spelling, did you check your spelling?

Posted by: harold | September 19, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

i didnt read all the posts here, but i hope noone pulls that God wouldnt vote for Obama, God doesnt need to vote, in the end we will all find out if God voted for us. Until then, do what is in your and your families best interest. Ill be voting Obama for the rest of my life!!

Posted by: joshtheVET | September 19, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with stealing from the rich to give to the poor?
Wasn't Robinhood a Hero? I mean, how mnay movies have been made about this mythical, romatic figure.
Isn't this why there are revolutions?
And by the way, why is it that uber-religious people seem to not be able to spell or type?
McCain has lied his way into another mess. Watch his eyes when he speaks - he blinks when he lies. I don't think John likes to lie, but it's the only way he can win and that seems to be most important. He'll show his dad he's not a f**k up after all - at YOUR expense!!

Posted by: Crazy Me | September 19, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama whole life has been about serving people. He will continue serving people when he becomes President by bringing this country back on track with jobs, healthcare, low gas prices, better education, lower taxes etc. God blesses those who bless others. Obama truly has blessed a lot of people. God will bless him as the next USA President.

Posted by: lclon | September 19, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

bethechange: It is not about left-wing or right-wing, it is about those “who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator.” All the things you talk about are solved when you obey God’s law. “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” “Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.”

Posted by: harold | September 19, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

bethechange1 said:
"Are you willing to pay more taxes yourself or expect wealthy people to give back some of their riches to help others less fortunate?"

Since when did giving more taxes to an inefficient government bureaucracy become the definition of "compassion" for the less fortunate? My wife and I gave 10 times as much to charities last year as Joe Biden did, on less than a third of his income.

The last thing a liberal should be doing is lecturing a conservative on "compassion", if your definition of compassion is to help the unfortunate....with other peoples money.

Posted by: dbw | September 19, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse


I must have missed something. Did Dick Cheney say it was "patriotic" to pay more taxes? Is Dick Cheney running for any office?

Do you have anything you can add that would contradict anything I said about ludicrous statements by your candidate for VP, Joe Biden?

Posted by: dbw | September 19, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Preview your Comment

harold wrote:
" God have mercy on your soul and All others who believe Obama's stand is Christian. When we murder 4000 babies a day since 1973 don't think God's judgement will be escaped!"
No one who is pro-choice is pro-abortion.

No woman chooses abortion out of any reason but desperation, which is subjectively experienced.

Outlawing abortion will not stop abortion, it will only criminalize it and cause women to seek abortions in terrible circumstances that could kill them.

The difference between pro-choice candidates like Sen. Obama and people like many of the right-wing republicans who feel as Harold does is this: We want (1) more funding for adequate sex education, birth control, and alternatives to abortion such as adoption; and (3) we want to redistribute equitably some money through taxes on the wealthy that would allow for our society to be more conducive for people to bring children in the world - universal health care, subsidized day care, education initiatives, equal pay for equal work, etc. If single women, poor families/parents could know that they had help raising their child, they might not abort.

My issue with self-righteous pro-lifers is this:
* do you care at all about the fetus or the mother once the baby is born?
*Are you willing to pay more taxes yourself or expect wealthy people to give back some of their riches to help others less fortunate?

If the answer is "no" to either of these questions, then spare me the self-righteousness. You're not pro-life, you are pro-fetus, then every person out for him or herself.

Posted by: bethechange1 | September 19, 2008 3:50 PM

Posted by: bethechange1 | September 19, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

You ask me how I feel about all the innocent babies,children and women getting killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is an extremely bad thing that happens in all wars. There will be wars until Jesus Christ returns because man is a sinner but we are to protect our own when attacked.
God's people were told to destroy all the inhabitants of the land in war. Abortion occurs when women leave their natural use to live in their lust and all "who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Rom. 1:32

Posted by: harold | September 19, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"You know what else I find patriotic, Joe? When your country calls and asks you to serve in the military, you say 'yes' instead of taking 5 deferrments..."

Wow, so you must really hate Dick Cheney, huh?

Posted by: Nonreactionary | September 19, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: Candice | September 19, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Rezco: was brought to justice in a court of law during which BO was not implicated in any way of any wrongdoing.

Ayers: Obama was 8 when Ayers was active in the Weather Underground. Ayers is now a respected University Professor and has not been even put on trial for any crimes, what is important here is, what does the DOJ think of him? Yes he did donate $200 to Obama's campaign several years ago, their relationship was that they both were on the board of a charity.

Raines: according to WAPO the relationship is "flimsy" at best.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Rezko, Ayres, Raines....nice company Barack

Posted by: Scott | September 19, 2008 8:24 AM"

BTW: Read the article in today's WAPO that describes McCain's claim of Obama/Raines ties as "flimsy at best"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Rezko, Ayres, Raines....nice company Barack

Posted by: Scott | September 19, 2008 8:24 AM"

"Charles Keating, G. Gordon Liddy, Phil Graham...nice company John

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"OD, You don"t know the Bible! God have mercy on your soul and All others who believe Obama's stand is Christian. When we murder 4000 babies a day since 1973 don't think God's judgement will be escaped!

Posted by: harold | September 19, 2008 1:45 PM"
And so how do you feel about all the innocent babies, children and Women getting killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? I didn't hear you mention any of these. Is this OK by you?

Posted by: God's Judgment | September 19, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: erbear | September 19, 2008 1:22 PM

"He has already picked his bed to sleep in with the holloywood crowd."
Are you aware that McCain held his own Hollywood fundraiser recently? They both are trying to get elected, it takes a lot of money and they will take it from where they can get it.

"Have fun paying your new taxes."
Your argument makes no sense because you first ask if "these" people will be invited to the $28000 per plate dinner which would be the people who will pay more taxes including Biden, Obama and yes, McCain. The people who would not be invited will pay LESS taxes.
"Also the democrats have been in power in the house for the past two years and what have they done besides bash bush."
Actually, it's been 1 1/2 years in which Bush has used the power of the VETO 6 times, previously, he had NEVER used it. And last time I checked, both the House and Senate were pretty close to being evenly split, are you telling me that the Republicans are powerless?
"Oh and don't worry about security of this country, because he will go talk to them and I'm sure they will listen."
Frankly, we could use a little more diplomacy and a little less aggression, look at Libya and N. Korea. In my work I've had the opportunity to talk to some of the world's top counter-terrorism experts and military advisors and I can honestly tell you that BO's views on National Security are more aligned with theirs than J. McCain's are.
"All you people in ohio and penn who had your jobs taken away by the free trade agreement credited to clinton"

Which is exactly why Obama will give tax credits to companies that keep jobs in America. B

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

OD, You don"t know the Bible! God have mercy on your soul and All others who believe Obama's stand is Christian. When we murder 4000 babies a day since 1973 don't think God's judgement will be escaped!

Posted by: harold | September 19, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I heard a Christian woman call in to a radio station this morning and regarding the current administration and the Republican party she said:

"These are the people Jesus warned us about"

Posted by: Quote of the day | September 19, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

How many of you people in nc and sc are going to be invited to the 28000. per plate dinner? I guess after you give your vote you'll see the light. He has already picked his bed to sleep in with the holloywood crowd. Have fun paying your new taxes. Also the democrats have been in power in the house for the past two years and what have they done besides bash bush. Oh and don't worry about security of this country, because he will go talk to them and I'm sure they will listen. All you people interested in change you'll better start doing something about because the only thing that the washington group is going to do is pad their pockets with your tax dollars.All you people in ohio and penn who had your jobs taken away by the free trade agreement credited to clinton, don't worry cars and products are still being made, they just carry a new sign, made in china or mexico.

Posted by: erbear | September 19, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"Progressive" Christian - that's another way of saying liberal Democrat "Christian", right? Is that an oxymoron, or just a moron?

Posted by: bridges12932 | September 19, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain's pick of Palin will go down as one of the most absurd in American political history. God bless Chuck Hagel for having the guts to say yesterday just how incompetent this woman is. As for the Christian point of view--I am a lifelong Christian and I think if Jesus were walking the earth today he'd be appalled at the greed and selfishness of Republicans and would be hanging out with us liberals who truly believe in caring for the "least of these."

Posted by: Judith | September 19, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Report confirms Obama negotiated with Iraqi Foreign Minister Update: Taheri receiving death threats from Obama supporters
Sep 17, 2008 - Amir Taheri's September 15th has been, for all intents and purposes, confirmed over the past 24 hours. Obama did indeed conduct illegal foreign policy negotiations with Iraqi foreign minister Hoshyar Zebari. As we wrote on the 15th, this amounts to a truly audacious betrayal of the American people and our military, and deserves a full investigation by the American government, and scrutinization by the media. This from the American Spectator:
The Obama campaign spent more than five hours on Monday attempting to figure out the best refutation of the explosive New York Post report that quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying that Barack Obama during his July visit to Baghdad demanded that Iraq not negotiate with the Bush Administration on the withdrawal of American troops. Instead, he asked that they delay such negotiations until after the presidential handover at the end of January.

The three problems, according to campaign sources: The report was true, there were at least three other people in the room with Obama and Zebari to confirm the conversation, and there was concern that there were enough aggressive reporters based in Baghdad with the sources to confirm the conversation that to deny the comments would create a bigger problem.
There you have it, corroborating witnesses were present. On top of this the report goes on to say that the Obama campaign is not even bothering to really deny the charges, simply spin it in the hopes that his media devotees will simply sweep it under the rug like every other scandal.

America really needs some reporters with the testicular fortitude to start an investigation. Is the media so in the tank for Obama that they would go out of there way to ignore what might be one of the biggest breaches of trust of a presidential candidate in American history?

Chris Mathews (in)famously complained to Pat Buchanan that media access to Governor Sarah Palin was necessary for the American people to make an informed decision about her. Is this very same media, which demanded Palin postulate in front of them for the good of the people, going to allow this bombshell to go unscrutinized, withholding what could be crucial information necessary to making an informed decision in November? If so, their hypocrisy is not only deep, but dangerous.

Update: Amir Taheri is receiving death threats from Obama supporters. In his follow up opinion piece in today's NY Post, Taheri writes:
While I am encouraged by the senator's evolution, I must also appeal to him to issue a "cease and desist" plea to the battalions of his sympathizers - who have been threatening me with death and worse in the days since my article appeared.

Posted by: Scott | September 19, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hello Kay,

b.l.o.c.k. in an email usually indicates that one is shouting? Are you? Why?

The Roman Catholic Church & its concocted belief about a sky populated with dead bearded people singing has throughout history (here's where you will have to do some reading of non-christian censured texts) also been responsible for centuries of human suffering, torture & brain-washing. A good place to start to study its pestiferous influence on societey would be Karlheinz Deschner's 10 vol. "History of Criminality of the Christianity" (Kriminalgeschichte des Christentums).

Anybody who today disassociates himself/herself from the nefarious Christian dogma has taken his/her first step away from centuries of untruth & lies.

Homo homini lupus est.

Posted by: hadeze | September 19, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse







Posted by: KAY | September 19, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that Joe Biden considers it "patriotic" for the rich people and businesses of America to pony up more taxes than the 60% of our budget they already fund.

You know what I consider patriotic, Joe? Giving more than $900 to a local charity to help the poor when you make $300,000 a year.

You know what else I find patriotic, Joe? When your country calls and asks you to serve in the military, you say "yes" instead of taking 5 deferrments for 'asthma' after being a star athlete in high school.

That's what I would consider 'patriotic'. But that's just me.....

Posted by: dbw | September 19, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

That Christian Group in ohio that is Pro Obama runnuing the AD and quoting from the Bible must REmember what the Holy Book say about abortion nad Live. Mus also Remember that The Said Candidate they are backing
did present when racism and unwanted remarks were made by his Pastor about America.
I would suggest that that body sponsoring the AD must interupt the Holy Book properlyand do not used for own whims and fancies.
Ran NY

Posted by: Ran | September 19, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I appreciate Tony Hall & Matthew 25's heart, but their collective head is in the wrong place. Jesus never said or even implied that the answer to fulfilling his call to 'help the poor' was in giving more money via taxes to the government, and having "Caesar" fix the problems for us.

Christ's teachings were clear. It's our PERSONAL responsibility as Christians to feed the hungry, care for the sick, and help the poor. And just voting for someone who promises to raise taxes so the government can do what we're supposed to be doing is not an adequate substitute that allows Christians to claim they have met this 'call'.

For Tony Hall and the Matthew 25 group to mix Bible verses with a pro-Obama message and imply that the "Christian duty" is somehow fulfilled by supporting Barack Obama's candidacy for President is nonsense at best, and border-line theological heresy at worst.

Posted by: dbw | September 19, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Middle America should not trust McCain and the Country Club First Boys to fix our failed economic system, when at heart their allegiance is to the Country Club Boys first and not to the American people. Their fixing will be a partial measure of change and a band aid -- looked to assuage a worried public but will do nothing to bring the radical change and upheaval needed to get America trully back to being fiscally sound and thriving again! To trust the Country Club Boys will to do so at your own risk and detriment!

Posted by: Angellight | September 19, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Great report but it doesn't go quite far enough in explaining just what Rained did. Basically he was accused of COOKING THE BOOKS at Fannie Mae falsely increasing the profit they showed from $6.3 Billion to $9 Billion and landing himself and his alleged co-conspirators an extra $50 MILLION in bonuses. The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO), the regulating body of Fannie Mae, finally "Caught" them & forced them to pay a $3 Million fine which was paid from an insurance policy that Fannie Mae provided for just such issues arising concerning management.

And who do you suppose now gets the bill, not only for the $50 million, but the $3 million, and the whole meltdown mess that came out of it?

In 2003 Republicans tried to strengthen the oversight of Fannie Mare but the Democrats wouldn't hear of it. After hearing that proposal the Democrats said this:
''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed. ''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.

What Barney Franks and Melvin Watts are saying is that "We don't want any more regulation of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, we want more poor people to be able to get home loans no matter what the risk or the eventual cost involved to the taxpayer". I wonder if those people who are being affected in one way or another would like to know Barney Frank's or Melvin Watts personal phone number so you can call and thank them personally for looking out for you?

Posted by: GeraldD | September 19, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

What part of the specter of earmarks don't you understand? The earmarks everyone is talking about are NOT the normal appropriation bills or grants that come before the Congress and are voted upon by the entire Congress. These appropriations are how the procedure is supposed to work. A town, county, parrish, state, or some other municipal entity makes a request for funding or a grant. And the request goes through the normal channels. Everything is transparent.

The type of earmarks everyone is concerned about are the ones which are inserted by committee chairmen, at the request of a Senator or Congressman, usually into a conference committee report. These are never voted upon out in the open in committee. They lack transparency. You usually can't even tell who requested them. These type of EARMARKS are usually called "Pork Barrel Projects"

Lets also be clear when we talk about earmarks; Anyone is free to make a request for a grant or an appropriation for their town, or state, or county. Only Congressmen and Senators however have the opportunity to slip these non transparent spending bills into the budget without them having a fair debate conducted upon the merits of the proposal.

The Democrats seem to want to cloud the issue of earmarks and imply that both Obama and Palin asked for earmarks. That comparison is much like comparing grapes to oranges. Lets not try to cloud the issue here by mistaking normal appropriations for earmarks of the pork barrel kind. Only Senators and Congressmen can request those types of earmarks.

Lets be further clear on the issue of Earmarks. There is ONLY 1 Senator in this race who has NEVER requested an Earmark like this. And his name is John McCain.

Joe Biden's son is a lobbyist and requests earmarks for commercial clients. Since He is not supposed to lobby his father ( difficult to prove ) Barack Obama requested millions in earmarks last year for Young Biden's clients. Interesting to say the least.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Note the date on this Politico piece by Ben Smith- OF COURSE OBAMA "NEVER HEARD OF" His Advisor Franklin Raines who took $90 Million out of Fannie Mae and ran it into the ground- I'm sure donating some to Obama- stay tuned!

July 16, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama

Advice from Raines

An ill-timed -- for Obama -- profile of former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines, forced out in an accounting mess a few years ago.

The Style Section piece reports that he's recently been taking "calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."

Hard to find anybody in the mortgage industry who's looking real great right now, but Fannie Mae's critics, in particular, seem to have been vindicated.

By Ben Smith 11:42 AM

Rezko, Ayres, Raines....nice company Barack

Posted by: Scott | September 19, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

September 19, 2008
Abortions Do Sometimes Produce Live Births
By Mona Charen

Appearing on C-SPAN last weekend I mentioned that Barack Obama had opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act when he was an Illinois state senator -- a position he has attempted to deny or obfuscate ever since. The liberal blogger who appeared on the program with me erupted with indignation. She didn't deny that Obama had opposed the bill. She denied, hotly, that babies are ever born alive after an attempted abortion. Since I have actually met Gianna Jessen, who survived an attempted abortion, I invited viewers to contact me directly if they wanted evidence. My inbox has been bursting.

The denial goes very deep. Any number of e-mailers expressed their contemptuous certainty that "born alive" infants were an invention of pro-life activists. OK, enter "abortion survivors" into your browser and see what you get. Or, if you prefer a traditional media source, consult the Daily Mail in Britain. The Mail has reported that in just the past year 66 infants had been left to die after abortions in Great Britain.

When Congress was considering the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA), a subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee heard testimony from Jill Stanek and Allison Baker, two nurses at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill. They described several instances in which babies who were moving and breathing after induced abortions were left to die. The committee report quoted Jill Stanek: "Mrs. Stanek testified about another aborted baby who was thought to have had spina bifida, but was delivered with an intact spine. On another occasion, an aborted baby was left to die on the counter of the Utility Room wrapped in a disposable towel." The committee report also quoted Shelly Lowe, a lab technician at Bethesda North Medical Center in Cincinnati. A young woman who had undergone just the first cervix-opening phase of a partial-birth abortion gave birth in the emergency room. The doctor placed the 22-week-old baby in a specimen dish to be taken to the lab. According to the report, when Ms. Lowe "saw the baby girl in the dish she was stunned when she saw the girl gasping for air. 'I don't think I can do that,' Ms. Lowe reportedly said. 'This baby is alive.'" Lowe asked permission to hold the baby until she died. She wrapped the child she dubbed "Baby Hope" in a blanket and sang to her. Breathing room air without any other supports, Baby Hope lived for three hours.

I've received a number of letters from viewers. This one caught my eye: "I am a pediatrician. When I was a pediatric resident on a neonatal intensive care rotation, we were routinely called to ... resuscitate infants. In one instance I was called to pronounce a baby dead who had been born an hour earlier after a failed abortion. We were not called to resuscitate the baby immediately after the delivery as the intent was abortion. ... I write to attest that babies are sometimes born alive after abortion and then put aside to die."

The BAIPA was designed to ensure that in those rare cases in which a baby marked for abortion happens to survive -- that the child will be immediately accorded full human and constitutional rights. The measure passed the U.S. House by a vote 380 to 15 but was blocked in the Senate. When a "neutrality clause" was inserted to the effect that the law should not be construed to limit the scope of Roe v. Wade, the measure was passed by unanimous consent and signed into law in 2002.

At the time, Barack Obama was an Illinois state senator. An almost exact copy of the federal bill was introduced in 2001. Obama opposed it, saying, "I mean it, it would essentially bar abortions because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute." Even though the baby would be completely separated from the mother. In 2003, the Illinois legislature added a neutrality clause to the bill, making it a virtual clone of the federal legislation. As chairman of the committee considering the bill, Obama again opposed it, saying, "... an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman ..."

Barack Obama is a charming and intelligent man. But there is no other way to interpret his position on BAIPA than this: A woman who chooses an abortion is entitled to a dead child no matter what. That is an abortion extremist.

Posted by: Scott | September 19, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Interesting that pro Obama evangelists in Ohio will air the spots. Though he won't get them all by any means, Obama needs every vote he can get in that state in order to beat the John McBush/Sara Payme (nee Per Diem) team.

Posted by: Dan S. | September 19, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

I hope Sarah Palin is preparing for her debate with Joe Biden, because I heard that Joe Biden is a masterdebater.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

New AD: Obama or McCain? "SCREWED"

Posted by: ATO | September 19, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

I am Christian and believe we are supposed to help those in need....through the church. Jesus instructed, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's." If the corporate church tithed as instructed, the needy would be assisted. A welfare state or communistic country is not the way.

Posted by: charlotte | September 19, 2008 4:40 AM | Report abuse

Well I have to go beddie bye now.

Tomorrow I have to get up early to catch a plane to Massachusetts to attend the wedding of my niece, my favorite lesbian, to her partner.

Good for them.

Good night freedom loving liberals wherever you are.

Be proud!


Posted by: toritto | September 18, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Amen, Tony. Amen.

Posted by: Adam | September 18, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, don't let that Palin lied thing go unanswered. You are going to be busy JakeD!

Posted by: J Lauber | September 18, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Stacey Hill claimed that PALIN lied. Once I finish with that, I will be glad to move on to McCain.

Posted by: JakeD | September 18, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Christianity (I mean the religion Jesus preached, not the one hawked in Baptist mega-churches) is really amazingly left-wing, the only truly communist religion on the planet.

American conservatives should consider switching to fundamentalist Islam, which meshes far better with their political and economic instincts.

Alternatively, they could just continue what they've always done -- call themselves Christians while twisting Christ's words into a creed he would have utterly despised.

Posted by: OD | September 18, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

No, Joe, that's not a lawyer trick. Any one familiar with logical fallacies will recognize Stacey Hill's strawman argument. She proved that Gov. Palin has requested earmarks. But, Gov. Palin has never denied doing so. Isn't that fairly basic in proving she "lied"?

Posted by: JakeD | September 18, 2008 9:47 PM

Right, right ... it was John McCain who LIED repeatedly, claiming that Sarah Palin didn't request ANY earmarks as Governor and ignoring that a number of her prized pork packages had made it on to his list of shame. So let's get it striaght. John McCain is the LIAR about earmarks. Sarah Palin has lied about Troopergate, trying to ban books in Wasilla, why she tried to fire the Librarian; why she hired somebody to run the 5,000 person little town when she was mayor (executive experience?? OUTSOURCE it ... lol). Yep ... sorry ... McCain, earmark LIES (among others) Palin other LIES.
Palin/McCain -- Liars First

Posted by: Did I mention I'm a LIAR??? | September 18, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Ohio being the state of Ernest Angely and that ilk, unfortunately, you can't really win it without some kind of idiotic appeal to the Talibangelicals. One of the less pleasant realities of American life.

Posted by: Some guy | September 18, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

PEOPLE GET UP ...go to nearest voter registration office, pick as many voter registration cards you can get, Hand them out in your neighborhoods.

Mid october is the cut off in NYC, don't take those elephants for granted even though we NY'rs got it.

So lets kick A's

get up of it and work for what you believe in, you do not need to wait for Obama to tell you what is going on. Check your 401k's, check your food prices, check your books for colleges and college tuition.
The next bank going under maybe yours.

You cannot sit back and wait you must participate to make it work.

volunteer - don't sit at the comuters at work, don't go straight home after school with your parents consent you can hand out voters registration something useful for once.

just do it! Vote and get others to vote.




Posted by: JANA | September 18, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

No, Joe, that's not a lawyer trick. Any one familiar with logical fallacies will recognize Stacey Hill's strawman argument. She proved that Gov. Palin has requested earmarks. But, Gov. Palin has never denied doing so. Isn't that fairly basic in proving she "lied"?

Posted by: JakeD | September 18, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

If Jesus had been more CONSERVATIVE, he would have listened to those church elders and ceased his blasphemous ways of helping the poor and healing the sick.

Posted by: J Lauber | September 18, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Know much about Alaska and its "budget"??
Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 21/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska's government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it.
Although Palin, like McCain, talks about liberating ourselves from dependence on foreign oil, there is no evidence that being dependent on Alaskan oil would be any more pleasant to the pocketbook.
Alaska is, in essence, an adjunct member of OPEC. It has four different taxes on oil, which produce more than 89% of the state's unrestricted revenue. On average, three-quarters of the value of a barrel of oil is taken by the state government before that oil is permitted to leave the state.
Alaska residents each get a yearly check for about $2,000 from oil revenues, plus an additional $1,200 pushed through by Palin last year to take advantage of rising oil prices. Any sympathy the governor of Alaska expresses for folks in the lower 48 who are suffering from high gas prices or can't afford to heat their homes is strictly crocodile tears.
Sounds like an oil sheikdom doesn't it? Point is Alaska has a windfall profits tax on oil companies operating there - even on oil shipped to the other 49 states - even though it belongs to our country.
Alaska oil is no cheaper for someone in Massachusetts than it is for someone in India. The windfall taxes collected from the rest of us are sent out in nice annual checks to the residents of Alaska.
Is that like ..... state welfare/socialism? Nah!! Can't be!! They’re Republicans!! Tough budget you're "managing" there Gov. No wonder you support drilling!! Bigger checks for Alaskans!!

Posted by: toritto | September 18, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

> Congratulations! Now, you just have provide a quote from Gov. Palin where she denied soliciting earmarks for Wasilla when she was mayor, or Alaska when she was Governor.

Ahh! The favorite trick of the lawyer. The deception isn't enough, we have to get her on record as saying something very specific to satisfy you, right?

But you have a point. McCain is the one who went out there and lied about her earmarks by insisting that they only count if she requests them as Governor, not as Mayor. And we also have to ignore that her state GOT lots of earmarks while she was Governor. She's not the type to say "thanks, but no thanks" to free money, after all. She gave it away to the tune of $3,200 per person in Alaska this year (Google the Alaska Permanent Fund), which is why she had such nice favorability numbers. That sucker was only about $1,100 when she started, and a mere $1,654 last year. Getting up to $3,200 was quite a feat, even if it does include a one-time $1,200 bonus. But that's Libertarianism, not Socialism! It's patriotic when Republicans spend taxpayer money taken from other states so they have extra to give away to their constituents! (But treasonous & Socialist if Democrats try to build hospitals with earmarks.)

So, of course, we were supposed to understand that when McCain said she "never" requested earmarks, he truly meant "during the less than 2 years she's spent as governor she didn't request earmarks." Because, as everyone knows, "never" never means "never" in politics, it means "until I'm proven wrong and need to weasel out of trouble."

Now, here we have her talking about killing a dead bridge project (and keeping the money). Good job killing the earmark, though! Even if it only meant you were free to spend the money on anything. We don't dare use that $3,200/person big government giveaway fund on Alaska when we can use other states' money!

Maybe we're beating a dead moose here, but she clearly didn't kill the bridge, she kicked it when it was down and started field dressing it.

That's some quality presidential experience right there!

Posted by: Joe | September 18, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse


The set of folks with a larger stake in this election - Blue Star Families.

As military family members who support Barack Obama, we knew there was something different this election cycle. More interest in the Dem candidate, fewer Republican bumper stickers than we're used to seeing. But nothing prepared us for this. Our new Blue Star Families for Obama website went live yesterday ( We expected it to generate a little interest, but hey, we're volunteers, we've done no publicity about it, no press release, no ads, nothing. So we didn't expect over 3000 hits in the first few hours.

Blue Star Families for Obama was started by five Army and Marine Corps wives back in July. We have a budget of zero. You might otherwise know us as the casserole brigade. But in just two short months we have generated chapters in 23 states, helped host a care package service event at the convention in Denver attended by Michelle Obama, attended dozens of rallies and roundtables and hosted house parties across the country. And keep in mind - we admire John McCain's service to his country. What we do not admire is his vision for tomorrow and his long refusal to provide real support to the military community.

Military families are flocking to Senator Obama because we recognize real respect when we see it. The Senator's admiration and support of military families and veterans is clear in his record, his stump speeches and his constant reminders to the country that we should all be a part of the war on terror - and not just by going shopping.

If you need proof, look no further than the new GI Bill. Supported by every major veterans' group in this country. Passed by a veto-proof bipartisan majority (hello, Governor Palin?). A real chance for veterans who sweated it out for years defending this country without question to contribute to it once again, through a solid education and upward mobility. Senator McCain inexplicably and inexcusably opposed the bill for budgetary reasons. Military families have seen eight years of attempted cuts to our benefits by the current administration. Do they really think we are getting too much? We dare you to come and live our lives for a couple of years and make that argument.

On our website we'll be posting comparisons of Obama v McCain's voting record on defense and veterans issues. We'd compare McCain's plans for military families to Obama's, except that only Barack Obama has a plan that directly addresses our issues.

So we say to the many thousands who have checked out our site in the last day or so, and to the rest of you: Please come back. Keep reading. Decide for yourself. And join us in electing a president who will restore our respect and sense of community with our civilian brothers and sisters, not one who will continue to ask us to serve in silence.

Written by Laura Dempsey and Kathy Roth-Douquet

Posted by: SueMVetforOBAMA | September 18, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"The least among us" should be considered when the pro-lifers decide that a woman must have not have an abortion. Where are these so called holier than thou individuals when these people decide to keep the baby? Mortaly corredt individuals should support paying for daycare, medicines, scholl, and other things for the individuals who opt to have the baby. Isn't that what Christians are supposed to do? Is denying a mother help with these children abortion? Such hypocrisy! I love when those so called people say aborthion is wrong; however, they lack the compassion to help others.

Posted by: missdot | September 18, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Where do evangelicals stand on Iraq war? Over 100,000 innocent children, women dead, 2-3mln turned into refugees living in desert camps. How many aborted babies did our bombings cause?

Posted by: thor | September 18, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse


God wouldn't vote for anyone. If you really read the Bible you would see Jesus carefully avoided taking political stands "Give unto Caesar..." The problem is assuming God is on "our side," when the question is are we on God's side.

To imply anyone who supports Obama is not a good Christian is offensive in the extreme. That kind of attitude gives us all bad name.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | September 18, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Where do Christians stand on contraception?
Condoms? Birth control pills?

Against those too?

Posted by: toritto | September 18, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Let me also just add to my previous comment that it is also NOT Christian (or Christ-like) to treat with violence or ugly threats those who have chosen to go against God and have chosen abortion. Taking a stand against something does not include acting in such a way that you displease God in doing it. That's my belief as an evangelical (who resists being lumped into one big group of ill-defined Christians).

Posted by: almas | September 18, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

It's ridiculous to pick one verse of the Bible out and use that alone to select your candidate.
I am an evangelical Christian and am very disturbed by what a wide range of beliefs is inclusive in that title today. No. Christians who truly have submitted themselves to the Lord stand up for what His Word says in the Bible without flinching or waffling or trying to be politically pleasing. They live with the peace that passes all understanding because they know who is in charge and who loves unconditionally beyond any human comprehension. Much as He loves Obama, God would not vote for him, regardless of his claims to want to help the poor. There is too much in Obama's belief-set that goes against God's Word. That "born-again" Christians are willing to turn a blind eye to all the other things Obama professes just for the sake of helping "the least of these" does nothing for God who they claim to love. It's a mistake.

Posted by: almas | September 18, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

How we got to where we are:

1962: Abortion mother returns home
An American mother-of-four is on her way home amid a storm of controversy after being given a legal abortion in Sweden.
Sherri Finkbine, a TV presenter from Phoenix in Arizona, was denied an abortion in her home state following intense negative publicity surrounding her case.

The 30-year-old mother decided to terminate her fifth pregnancy after discovering that tranquilizers she had taken in the first few weeks of her pregnancy contained the drug Thalidomide.

In recent months there has been increasing evidence suggesting Thalidomide causes severe foetal deformities including missing limbs, deafness and blindness.

Public condemnation

Mrs Finkbine, host of children's television programme "Romper Room", told her story to the local newspaper, believing it would alert other mothers in the same situation to the dangers of the drug.

But she became the focus of an intense anti-abortion campaign and worldwide public condemnation.

The negative publicity led her local hospital in Phoenix to withdraw a tentative offer of a legal abortion for fear they may be held criminally liable - the current law in Arizona states that abortion can only be carried out to save the mother's life.

Mrs Finkbine and her husband, Robert, a school teacher, took the case to the Arizona State Supreme Court but were unsuccessful.

Despite vilification from anti-abortionists across the United States and the world she flew to Sweden where the operation was carried out.

After the operation it was confirmed that the foetus had no legs and only one arm.

When she returned to Phoenix Mrs Finkbine's local doctor asked her to register with another physician.
She was dismissed from her job, and her husband was suspended from his high school teaching post.

Their children were hounded, anonymous death threats poured in by post and telephone and the press swarmed around their home.

Compliments of the BBC

Posted by: toritto | September 18, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Making abortion illegal even to save the life of the mother (the Republican Platform) is "sacrificing the mother for the unborn child". Your snarky "Least of these" includes innocent unborn children.... comment wasn't an anti-choice comment? The "innocent unborn children...."??? What about all those innocent unborn fertilized eggs that miscarry for whatever reason. Should women be subject to murder charges if they don't "eat right" and miscarry? Defining "good Christians" certainly sounds like the kind of judgment they're supposed to leave to god, in her wisdom. Unless their motives are more earthly. Spare us.

If abortion is illegal in all circumstances then Sarah Palin would have had no choice and her 'halo' for having chosen to bear her child would seem a little less bright.

Enough is enough.

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 18, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Jaked: Next time maybe you will be blessed and you can thank god everyday for your blessing.


Nobody should have a kid like Michael if they don't want to.....that's choice

Posted by: toritto | September 18, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse


As I told you the last thread you posted that all on, even Mike was a gift from God. If someone had unlawfully killed him (after his birth), the State would have no doubt prosecuted that as murder.

Posted by: JakeD | September 18, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse


I've never said anything about "sacrificing the mother for the unborn child" (although Genesis 9:6 would apply ; )

Of course, innocent children get killed all the time (i.e. Just Wars, or even "real" murder). We live in a fallen world that God knows all about. He also allowed slavery. But, do you want to bring that back?

Posted by: JakeD | September 18, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

My wife and I had a profoundly retarded son - he never spoke a word or walked - he never sat up - he never looked at me - for all I knew he was deaf and blind as well.

Every meal he ever ate we fed him. Every diaper he ever wore we changed him. Every foot he ever moved from where he was lying we carried him. Every time he went to bed we carried him upstairs. Every morning we carried him downstairs.

We became a test marketing project for Depends adult diapers - we got 'em free and had to let the manufacturer know what we thought of them.

He lived to be ten years old. We did nothing but worry about what was going to happen to him. Then one day he simply woke up and died.

My wife gave up the best ten years of her life caring for Michael. We got no help from any government agency except our local school for handicapped kids. No medicare ; no medicaid; no state assistance. You see I "made too much money" - I was a middle management officer in a bank with two other kids and it was the only income in my home - but I made too much money.

Michael is gone now. So is my wife. She never went to church. She was not a believer. If there is a God in his heaven then she is sitting under a massive oak watching her perfect 10 year old son play with his 12 year old brother (yes - we lost two boys) in the green grass under a sunny sky with a cool breeze moving through his hair mop - "Mommy look at me!! Look at my kite!!" and she will wave and smile.

There was no preacher at her funeral - except for a local female Methodist minister who knew my wife, a woman who never went to church, a woman who lived Christianity in her daily life . I will not forget her kindness. She spoke without being asked of how this woman went on to have two fine daughters after her two disabled sons and how she made a lunch hour appointment for an abortion and changed her mind at the last minute.

Talk is cheap. It’s a lot easier talk about having a kid like Mike than to be the parents. Too many of you fine religious folk feel so smug about yourselves, then you smile and go on to your next “Fellowship” meeting or casserole supper knowing you saved another life.

No one should have to bear a Michael at 30 if they don’t want to.......that’s choice. No one.

All of you who think such a child is a "blessing" don't have one.

Those who advocate the opposite should be prepared to urge society to provide care for that child for its entire life, even if you have to raise taxes. It’s the cost of being pro-life. Think of that the next time you see two old people pushing an adult retarded child in a wheel chair in the mall.

Posted by: toritto | September 18, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"Least of these" includes innocent unborn children....

Show me where in the bible it says anything about sacrificing the mother for the unborn child. I'll show you where god goes out of her way to kill innocent children ... stop the right-wing evangelical fantasies, please!

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 18, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Stacey Hill:

Congratulations! Now, you just have provide a quote from Gov. Palin where she denied soliciting earmarks for Wasilla when she was mayor, or Alaska when she was Governor.

Until you have done that, no "good Christian" would be calling her a liar (see, e.g. The 9th Commandment)

Posted by: JakeD | September 18, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

More lies from "good christian" Caribou Barbie..

This woman is sick in the head.

Records culled from the archives of the Wasilla, Alaska, city government reveal that Palin was directly involved in soliciting millions of dollars in earmarks for Wasilla when she was mayor. And she got help from a well-connected Washington lobbyist.

In a monthly status report to the city on March 7, 2000, newly hired "City Lobbyist" Steve Silver describes how the Palin administration had requested $6.6 million in federal earmarks for water and sewer improvements for Wasilla, and another $1 million for police equipment. Mayor Palin reviewed and signed the lobbyist's report, dated April 5, 2000.

Those earmark requests have not previously been disclosed, said Keith Ashdown, chief investigator for the non-profit Taxpayers for Common Sense, a budget watchdog group. Ashdown said the lobbyist's report offers a rare window into a normally closed-door process. "The document you've found is a peek behind the curtain of how earmarks get approved in Washington," he said.

"This further confirms that Palin was very supportive of the earmark system," Ashdown said. "She was getting very specific feedback from this lobbyist."

Posted by: Stacey Hill | September 18, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that McCain/Palin = Unstable/Unable. This ticket is like watching a train wreck.

Posted by: James | September 18, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: boruch yona loriner | September 18, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs all the help he can get. Steal from the rich give to the poor. It is great in Hollywood, but will it play on main street? This campaign is stressing me out. Now they have a flying pig at Pretty funny.

Posted by: acarponzo | September 18, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

"Least of these" includes innocent unborn children....

Posted by: JakeD | September 18, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

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