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Debate Over, Obama Takes Off the Gloves

By Shailagh Murray
GREENSBORO, N.C. -- The two presidential campaigns launched a war of ads and press releases as each side claimed victory in their first general election showdown at the University of Mississippi debate last night.

Appearing at a rally here, Sen. Barack Obama ripped into Sen. John McCain's remarks in Oxford, Miss., about the economy -- and more for what his GOP opponent didn't say than for what he did.

"The truth is, through ninety minutes of debating, John McCain had a lot to say about me, but he had nothing to say about you. He didn't even say the words 'middle class.' Didn't say the words 'working people,'" Obama told a cheering crowd of about 20,000 people on a rainy Saturday morning.

The middle-class omission also is the subject of new Obama television ad (above) that the campaign rolled out this morning, asserting, "McCain doesn't get it. Barack Obama does."

A new McCain spot, above, revives the Republican nominee's charge late in the debate that Obama had opposed funding for U.S. troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. But rather than use debate footage, the ad features an old quote from Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., Obama's running mate and former primary opponent, accusing the Democratic nominee of trying to "make a political point" by objecting to the funding. Obama, along with other Democrats, were holding out for a withdrawal timetable, to the irritation of senators who wanted to move the money quickly.

The exchange over the funding vote was among the more heated of the evening. As McCain phrased it, Obama was seeking to "cut off funds for the troops." Obama shot back that he had voted for a separate measure that packaged the funding with a withdrawal timetable -- a bill that McCain had voted against, which meant he had technically voted against funding too.

"I opposed funding a mission that had no timetable, and was open-ended, giving a blank check to George Bush," Obama asserted. "We had a difference on the timetable. We didn't have a difference on whether or not we were going to be funding troops."

Addressing his supporters, with Biden at his side in a rare joint appearance, Obama sounded more confrontational than he did last night. On stage, he had even agreed with McCain on several points, to the delight of McCain supporters, who cited the references repeatedly afterwards as an example of McCain's command.

But today the gloves came off. Obama ridiculed McCain's sudden decision earlier this week to suspend his campaign amid financial bailout negotiations as "looking for a photo-op." He described his opponent as grasping for a strategy on the economy. "Doesn't really know what to do," Obama said. "Hasn't been clear what to say."

He even brushed off McCain's zinger condemning a federal earmark to study the Montana grizzly bear population. "That's an old line he's been using since the beginning of his campaign," Obama said dismissively.

But both sides projected confidence that the debate had broken their way. The McCain campaign fired off four "volumes" of reviews about his performance, depicted in various pundits and editorial writers as "emphatic," "assured," and "authoritative." Some political experts scored McCain the winner; others gave the night to Obama.

McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds dismissed the new Obama ad and his comments in Greensboro, noting that McCain had criticized Obama's tax and spending policies for their potential harm to the middle class -- even if McCain didn't use the exact words. "Barack Obama has a selective memory," Bounds exclaimed.

Obama aides were thrilled with their candidate's debate performance. They believed the Democratic nominee cleared a major hurdle with undecided voters by projecting confidence, giving crisp answers, and standing his ground when pressed by McCain on a range of foreign policy issues, including the fate of Iraq and Afghanistan, and the challenges posed by Russia and Iran.

But Obama has shown time and again as a candidate that he is loathe to twist the knife. He did not deliver the knock-out blow in Oxford some of his supporters wanted him to, after the Republican nominee's uneven performance over the past two weeks, starting with his observation at the outset of the financial crisis that the economy was "fundamentally" sound.

Obama aides believe voters saw more unevenness from McCain on Friday night. "John McCain has a problem right now. Voters think he's out of touch," said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe. "He did nothing to address that last night."

By Web Politics Editor  |  September 27, 2008; 3:55 PM ET
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The farcical assertion that McCain has more foreign policy acumen than Obama was completely laid to rest at the Oxford debate.

Obama had his facts in order. He demonstrated confidence and fluidity in discussing complex international issues. And most importantly he was able to turn the discussion of Iraq from the side issue of the temporary "surge" to the central question of how to challenge resurgant al Qaeda around the world.

Obama won on points, on style and in the polls.

McCain's clumsy grasp of the facts, his reckless belligerance, his stubborn inability to understand the underlying principles at work in the world today were on clear view Friday night.

McCain lost the debate because he was the weaker man: his inability to look Obama in the eye revealed his cowardice and his incivility. A turn-off performance for of historic proportions.

Posted by: dee5 | September 29, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

If you don't think Obama won, check the pols.

Posted by: dcwsano | September 28, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

TARGETING OF AMERICANS BY GOV'T AGENCIES
A ROOT CAUSE OF WALL STREET MELTDOWN?

Once again, Congress is being asked to rush through emergency legislation -- to cede effective control of the economy to the government.

Officials continue to blame lax lending policies on the part of the mortgage industry for spawning this crisis.

But were lenders ORDERED to offer "easy credit" to people "targeted" by government agencies?

Is government "targeting" of American citizens a root cause of the mortgage meltdown that spawned the broader financial crisis?

Consider this:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis OR
members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | September 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

During the debate, Obama talked about Dr. Kissinger.
Dr.Kissinger came out and supported John McCain on the issue of unconditional talk and the media just buried this as deep as they can.
What is going on?

Posted by: peteonline | September 28, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Can the Washington Post be anymore blatant in its skewed headlines in favor of Obama. Anybody else notice in their timeline of the candidates, a glaring absence of activity from 1996 to 1999 for Barack Obama. In other words, his time with William Ayers? It's as though those years didn't exist. Where was he Wash Post? Seems an awfully long time to drop off the scene.

Posted by: BJLeone | September 28, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Can the Washington Post be anymore blatant in its skewed headlines in favor of Obama. Anybody else notice in their timeline of the candidates, a glaring absence of activity from 1996 to 1999 for Barack Obama. In other words, his time with William Ayers? It's as though those years didn't exist. Where was he Wash Post? Seems an awfully long time to drop off the scene.

Posted by: BJLeone | September 28, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Have you been given a number for you input like canada?? that, i can forgive??
Yes the great war of no reason could salvage your economy and banks, and treasury. and finance many of you whom suffer. What do your brave men and women think of dying for a corrupt ???????, You have lost your homes, no jobs?? 911 was not part of it , you the people had no issue with the iraq war, but now you do, big time..
You all could repair and get out. Just leave. Thousands of years of Muslim rule, including Israel. tell the truth. it is over. They will never change and like us less we give them arms. Again, Thanks the trail for asking so much that we will pay the price for in the end. Cool doods????

Posted by: justada56 | September 28, 2008 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Easy on that send button wes...

Posted by: JohnQuimby | September 28, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

So maybe someone will explain why John SATAN McCain didn't support S.190 until conveniently after campaign manager Rick Davis was no longer being paid directly by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as head of the lobbying group Homeownership Alliance, 16 months after the bill was introduced?

Of course as we found out this week Rick Davis was still on retainer to the tune of $15,000 per month being paid to Davis Manafort which the campaign claims he is no longer actively involved with yet he is still listed in the corporation documents as treasurer/clerk. That sure doesn't appear to no longer being involved with.

Why is it that John SATAN McCain neglected to mention the recent conflict in Georgia was a result of the unilateral provocation of the loose cannon Georgian president even after he had been warned repeatedly not to provoke the situation?

Why is it it John SATAN McCain voted so many times against providing our vets with the services they need and earned? My farther was a 100% disabled vet and he despised McCain for his always saying how much he cared about the vets except when it actually came time for him to stand up for them in congress.

Why is it John SATAN McCain's policies sound like 19th Century solutions to 21st Century problems? Learn from the mistakes of past, but don't keep repeating them.

Why is it John SATAN McCain had to reach across the aisle? Because his colleagues in the house and senate from his own party hold so much disdain for his hotheaded, grandstanding tactics such as we witnessed this past week.

Why is John SATAN McCain hiding Palin away from the press? If she is qualified to be vice president and potentially president, what are they afraid of? Unless of course they know she isn't.

And the list goes on and on.

I am so sick of the RNC/Palin-McCain trolls fabricating lies about Obama just as I am about the reverse happening. This election is a profound moment for this country and all of the trolls are trivializing it with the smears. lies and false innuendos. You all should be ashamed of yourselves but that requires a conscience which obviously doesn't exist. There are enough distinctions between the candidates on real positions on issues to occupy these blogs, but instead you sink to the lowest most base levels rather than raising the level of the discourse and I for one am sick of it.

Posted by: wes1155 | September 28, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

So maybe someone will explain why John SATAN McCain didn't support S.190 until conveniently after campaign manager Rick Davis was no longer being paid directly by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as head of the lobbying group Homeownership Alliance, 16 months after the bill was introduced?

Of course as we found out this week Rick Davis was still on retainer to the tune of $15,000 per month being paid to Davis Manafort which the campaign claims he is no longer actively involved with yet he is still listed in the corporation documents as treasurer/clerk. That sure doesn't appear to no longer being involved with.

Why is it that John SATAN McCain neglected to mention the recent conflict in Georgia was a result of the unilateral provocation of the loose cannon Georgian president even after he had been warned repeatedly not to provoke the situation?

Why is it it John SATAN McCain voted so many times against providing our vets with the services they need and earned? My farther was a 100% disabled vet and he despised McCain for his always saying how much he cared about the vets except when it actually came time for him to stand up for them in congress.

Why is it John SATAN McCain's policies sound like 19th Century solutions to 21st Century problems? Learn from the mistakes of past, but don't keep repeating them.

Why is it John SATAN McCain had to reach across the aisle? Because his colleagues in the house and senate from his own party hold so much disdain for his hotheaded, grandstanding tactics such as we witnessed this past week.

Why is John SATAN McCain hiding Palin away from the press? If she is qualified to be vice president and potentially president, what are they afraid of? Unless of course they know she isn't.

And the list goes on and on.

I am so sick of the RNC/Palin-McCain trolls fabricating lies about Obama just as I am about the reverse happening. This election is a profound moment for this country and all of the trolls are trivializing it with the smears. lies and false innuendos. You all should be ashamed of yourselves but that requires a conscience which obviously doesn't exist. There are enough distinctions between the candidates on real positions on issues to occupy these blogs, but instead you sink to the lowest most base levels rather than raising the level of the discourse and I for one am sick of it.

Posted by: wes1155 | September 28, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

So maybe someone will explain why John SATAN McCain didn't support S.190 until conveniently after campaign manager Rick Davis was no longer being paid directly by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as head of the lobbying group Homeownership Alliance, 16 months after the bill was introduced?

Of course as we found out this week Rick Davis was still on retainer to the tune of $15,000 per month being paid to Davis Manafort which the campaign claims he is no longer actively involved with yet he is still listed in the corporation documents as treasurer/clerk. That sure doesn't appear to no longer being involved with.

Why is it that John SATAN McCain neglected to mention the recent conflict in Georgia was a result of the unilateral provocation of the loose cannon Georgian president even after he had been warned repeatedly not to provoke the situation?

Why is it it John SATAN McCain voted so many times against providing our vets with the services they need and earned? My farther was a 100% disabled vet and he despised McCain for his always saying how much he cared about the vets except when it actually came time for him to stand up for them in congress.

Why is it John SATAN McCain's policies sound like 19th Century solutions to 21st Century problems? Learn from the mistakes of past, but don't keep repeating them.

Why is it John SATAN McCain had to reach across the aisle? Because his colleagues in the house and senate from his own party hold so much disdain for his hotheaded, grandstanding tactics such as we witnessed this past week.

Why is John SATAN McCain hiding Palin away from the press? If she is qualified to be vice president and potentially president, what are they afraid of? Unless of course they know she isn't.

And the list goes on and on.

I am so sick of the RNC/Palin-McCain trolls fabricating lies about Obama just as I am about the reverse happening. This election is a profound moment for this country and all of the trolls are trivializing it with the smears. lies and false innuendos. You all should be ashamed of yourselves but that requires a conscience which obviously doesn't exist. There are enough distinctions between the candidates on real positions on issues to occupy these blogs, but instead you sink to the lowest most base levels rather than raising the level of the discourse and I for one am sick of it.

Posted by: wes1155 | September 28, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

So maybe someone will explain why John SATAN McCain didn't support S.190 until conveniently after campaign manager Rick Davis was no longer being paid directly by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as head of the lobbying group Homeownership Alliance, 16 months after the bill was introduced?

Of course as we found out this week Rick Davis was still on retainer to the tune of $15,000 per month being paid to Davis Manafort which the campaign claims he is no longer actively involved with yet he is still listed in the corporation documents as treasurer/clerk. That sure doesn't appear to no longer being involved with.

Why is it that John SATAN McCain neglected to mention the recent conflict in Georgia was a result of the unilateral provocation of the loose cannon Georgian president even after he had been warned repeatedly not to provoke the situation?

Why is it it John SATAN McCain voted so many times against providing our vets with the services they need and earned? My farther was a 100% disabled vet and he despised McCain for his always saying how much he cared about the vets except when it actually came time for him to stand up for them in congress.

Why is it John SATAN McCain's policies sound like 19th Century solutions to 21st Century problems? Learn from the mistakes of past, but don't keep repeating them.

Why is it John SATAN McCain had to reach across the aisle? Because his colleagues in the house and senate from his own party hold so much disdain for his hotheaded, grandstanding tactics such as we witnessed this past week.

Why is John SATAN McCain hiding Palin away from the press? If she is qualified to be vice president and potentially president, what are they afraid of? Unless of course they know she isn't.

And the list goes on and on.

I am so sick of the RNC/Palin-McCain trolls fabricating lies about Obama just as I am about the reverse happening. This election is a profound moment for this country and all of the trolls are trivializing it with the smears. lies and false innuendos. You all should be ashamed of yourselves but that requires a conscience which obviously doesn't exist. There are enough distinctions between the candidates on real positions on issues to occupy these blogs, but instead you sink to the lowest most base levels rather than raising the level of the discourse and I for one am sick of it.

Posted by: wes1155 | September 28, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Barack HUSSEIN Obama
Will be the greatest president in history!

Golly this is fun!

Tippecanoe and Tyler Too!

Posted by: JohnQuimby | September 28, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Man we are in deep trouble. Both countries.
Where is the substance in your debates. I thank you our American friend. Even tis post is making it easier to select who may enter. All your intelligent politicians are puking now. What a dam mess. Forget about Sarah, lets stay together. My email is now the worlds. Thanks to this post new requirements. Bless, but "not". I feel it will invade all our privacy as the people, but really don't give a dam at this point. Bless you all, the people.

Posted by: justada56 | September 28, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

McCain -

Bought the war

Now wants more

Posted by: JohnQuimby | September 28, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

If you McCain supporters armed yourselves with facts instead of what you heard on "Rush Limbaugh" or FOX, you might actually get some people to take you seriously. That you can not understand what Obama is saying attests to how tightly shut your minds are. I heard more substance, detail, and mastery of the big picture out of Obama last night than I've heard out of any politician in my lifetime. It was pretty easy to identify the central point of most of Obama's arguments, while McCains answer's were scattershot with no real central point.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | September 28, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

I guess I'm just getting old. I do however now know that the USA and Canada have been blinded. I have no excuse for my many mistakes, nor do you, if you feel like I do, married 37 years and my wife is my equal. Vote for whom you want, but the way I see it is we have screwed our children bad. Can you imagine that even I am afraid of getting a passport for my son, not married, but with the second on the way and the love I see between them, and Dad might not attend. Who Cares. Just let the younger folks make the decision. We have to suffer with ours . Not there fault is it. Hope to be able to cross your border and meet with the people of the USA without an issue. Bless you all, and I believe god is in all of us. P.s I Don't go to church, but my son is going to be a Minister.. Go figure, we argue but never to stop our love for family or friends.. So now you know me. What can us old folks do but suffer, and we should for all the mistakes we have made.
May your God Bless your country and ours.

Posted by: justada56 | September 28, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

I guess I'm just getting old. I do however now know that the USA and Canada have been blinded. I have no excuse for my many mistakes, nor do you, if you feel like I do, married 37 years and my wife is my equal. Vote for whom you want, but the way I see it is we have screwed our children bad. Can you imagine that even I am afraid of getting a passport for my son, not married, but with the second on the way and the love I see between them, and Dad might not attend. Who Cares. Just let the younger folks make the decision. We have to suffer with ours . Not there fault is it. Hope to be able to cross your border and meet with the people of the USA without an issue. Bless you all, and I believe god is in all of us. P.s I Don't go to church, but my son is going to be a Minister.. Go figure, we argue but never to stop our love for family or friends.. So now you know me. What can us old folks do but suffer, and we should for all the mistakes we have made.
May your God Bless your country and ours.

Posted by: justada56 | September 28, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

McCain-

Pushed the Surge!

Stopped the Splurge!

Posted by: thecannula | September 28, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | September 28, 2008 12:05 AM

Same old boring pompous remarks that make you a boor.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 28, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday's Washington Post

"When Sen. John McCain made his way to the Capitol office of House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) just past noon on Thursday, he intended to "just touch gloves" with House Republican leaders, according to one congressional aide, and get ready for the afternoon bailout summit at the White House.

Instead, Rep. Paul D. Ryan (Wis.), the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, was waiting to give him an earful. The $700 billion Wall Street rescue, as laid out by Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr., was never going to fly with House Republicans, Ryan said. The plan had to be fundamentally reworked, relying instead on a new program of mortgage insurance paid not by the taxpayers but by the banking industry.

McCain listened, then, with Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), he burst into the Senate Republican policy luncheon. Over a Tex-Mex buffet, Sens. Robert F. Bennett (Utah) and Judd Gregg (N.H.) had been explaining the contours of a deal just reached. House Republicans were not buying it. Then McCain spoke.


"I appreciate what you've done here, but I'm not going to sign on to a deal just to sign the deal," McCain told the gathering, according to Graham and confirmed by multiple Senate GOP aides. "Just like Iraq, I'm not afraid to go it alone if I need to."

For a moment, as Graham described it, "you could hear a pin drop. It was just unbelievable." Then pandemonium. By the time the meeting broke up, the agreement touted just hours before -- one that Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), the No. 3 GOP leader, estimated would be supported by more than 40 Senate Republicans -- was in shambles.

An incendiary mix of presidential politics, delicate dealmaking and market instability played out Thursday in a tableau of high drama, with $700 billion and the U.S. economy possibly in the balance. McCain's presence was only one of the complicating factors. Sen. Barack Obama played his part, with a hectoring performance behind closed doors at the White House. And a brewing House Republican leadership fight helped scramble allegiances in the GOP.

It is unclear whether the day's events will prove to be historically significant or a mere political sideshow. If the administration and lawmakers forge an agreement largely along the lines of the deal they had reached before McCain's arrival Thursday, the tumult will have been a momentary speed bump. If the deal collapses, the recriminations spawned that day will be fierce.

But if a final deal incorporates House Republican principles while leaning most heavily on the accord between the administration, House Democrats and Senate Republicans, all sides will be able to claim some credit -- even if the legislation is not popular with voters.

"If there is a deal with the House involved, it's because of John McCain," Graham, one of the Arizonan's closest friends in the Senate, said yesterday.

In truth, McCain's dramatic announcement Wednesday that he would suspend his campaign and come to Washington for the bailout talks had wide repercussions.

Democrats, eager to reach a deal before McCain could claim credit, hunkered down and made real progress ahead of his arrival. Conservative Republicans in the House reacted as well, according to aides who were part of the talks.

The Republican Study Committee, an enclave of House conservatives, had already begun turning against the Paulson plan. When McCain announced his return, the conservatives feared he would forge an agreement largely along Paulson's lines, with slight alterations and the GOP leadership's blessing.
******************
9/28/09
WE HAVE A DEAL AND THANKS TO JOHN MCCAIN A BETTER ONE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
While Obama was saying "Call Me" and "Taking off his gloves," McCain was working in Washington to secure the House Republicans a seat at the negotiating table in the person of Roy Blount. Frank and Dodd had the deal "all done"- rushed through before McCain landed in Washington-then they blamed him for stopping it! Do you think they'll NOW give him credit for a deal that has much more protection for Americans in it? I doubt they will.... WILL YOU?

Posted by: thecannula | September 28, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | September 28, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama was gracious and Presidental. His answers were concise and intelligent.
McCain's demeanor was abhoring. He was bitter, arrogant and meanspirited. Do we want a President who presents himself in such a childish way? Does statesmanship exist anymore? It does with the Obama/Biden ticket. I am looking forward to being proud of my President. It will be so wonderful to listen to him speak-I won't have to use my mute button anymore.

Posted by: stuckinredstate | September 27, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

lkt01 complains that Obama's answers during the debate were "lawyering & fogging." I think that means he didn't understand Obama's answers. Those on the right seem to have a hard time following logic and facts. They have been absorbed by the Bush/Cheney/Rove alternate worldview, where an invasion is called a "liberation," torture is OK, and the fundamentals of the economy are still "strong." visit myblog: http://obama-bidenforthewin.blogspot.com/

Posted by: annieb346 | September 27, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

brownpride046: DO KNOW WHERE WEHRE mccain WAS BORN?? Dummmy--In Panama. The only reason he is running is the courts allow him. Secondly, Obama was born in that island STATE? guess what its called... Get a grip or at least an education...

Posted by: AMT64 | September 27, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The suit, brownpride046, looks like a classic harassment suit postulating outrageous claims, demanding an onerous burden of answer.

It like your blinking troll, is just more push-polling garbage, and like all such tripe will be summarily dismissed.

Posted by: EyeStrain | September 27, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

The first presidential debate just ended. Excited and exhausted Sen. Obama holding on to his wife Michelle came off the stage to his preparation room inside the auditorium. Barrack slammed the chair after he entered the room. “This weasel Johnny did not even look at me,” “take it easy honey” said Michelle. “You know that he is the lower class people.” “They have no class at all.” “I just did not expect it. Where is this Axelrod? Why didn’t he warn me about this? Next time, I will ignore him. No more John, Johnny. No more being polite, John is right, John is correct. No more of this BS. I will give him straight talk. It is all about middle class, about my people, about us.” “Take it easy honey, You are no longer debating now. Be yourself. It is all about ourselves” said Michelle. “I was proud of you, standing there tall, raising your voice, looking up like a real President. You were great. Just think what you can accomplish for us, if you only last five more weeks” said Michelle. “However, you should not be so nervous and stuttering. I know this Republican Senator got under your skin. He was so impolite. He did not even say hello to me. What an affront. And his wife, what’s her name, did not even look at me. I will show her next time. You are right honey. They are such a low class people. You show them next time” said Michelle. “Ah forget it. Tomorrow we are back campaigning. Then will tell them. I cannot wait to see all these people waving at us, screaming at my jabs at Johnny. It feels great. All this nonsense about working people, middle class and their pain. How long do we have to talk like that? Another five weeks. Can you imagine the rest of the year? All this preparation for the office. Dealing with all these beggars for jobs, legislations, and your staffers. I am tired of all these people. Can you imagine what those Clintons will say? I will tell them off. I did it all by myself.“ “Calm down honey. First, we have to win, and then we will deal with all of them” said Michelle. “You are the best Michelle. But I won today despite everything. I am so proud of myself. You should see me there, talking to Johnny, telling him what kind of guy he is. That was great!” “Honey, we will have to get on the airplane soon” said Michelle. “Yes you are right honey.”

Posted by: Wiel | September 27, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse


Dear Samael,

I am worried that the Texan is correct. Even if Obama is prepared and able to lead, he may not be eligible. We want to be proud of our next President. We don't want to find out that he was hiding the fact that he was not a natural born citizen. We need to urge Senator Obama to provide the Philadephia court a certified copy of his original birth certificate to vanquish the allegations. Berg vs Obama 08-cv-4083. -Concerned Democrat

Posted by: brownpride046 | September 27, 2008 5:50 PM
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Visit the website below pinheads, and stop spreading malicious lies as fact. Geez, don't you people EVER do ANY research before regurgitating this ignorant asinine crap?

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Posted by: myplacegrill | September 27, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Actually, he said she was a "Maverick" too -- I read the transcript and McCain definitely won on substance -- this debate got low ratings.

Posted by: JakeD | September 27, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

One of McCain's more noticeable gaffes in the interview (besides looking & standing like ice frozen into a blue suit for 90 minutes) was his hilarious compliment to himself that his wondrous-looking VP running-mate was sterling quality.

Now that we have seen parts of the Couric tv interview there is clarity, in respect to his chosen VP candidate: totally empty northern sky, not even birds, nothing, just a bit of wind, not much of that even.

Posted by: hchiba | September 27, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

John McCain.

He's got great foreign policy experience. He just doesn't know what century we live in. How do you stop nuclear proliferation in Iran? Bomb the crap out of 'em.

How to you stop terroists?
Bomb the crap out of 'em.

How do you deal with Russia? Threaten to bomb the crap out of 'em.

Yeah. Mccain's real good at foreign policy. That's why he's still trying to win the Viet Nam war.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | September 27, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama has no right to be president he is a WIMP! and will put the United States at risk.

In this dangerous time, when terrorist and rougue states abound, the american people need a president who will tell them that
" the U.S. can't be pushed around".

While diplomacy is necessary, a strong president would deter anybody to trifle with the United States.

Sen. Obama's argument to talk with the likes of Ahmadinejad, Chavez and Castro smacks of naivette and will do nothing but project weakness and will only cause these rouge nations to test time and again his resolve to take necessary military action.

Posted by: tim591 | September 27, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey, ltk01, look at the VP picks and still tell me about "country first." Who chose politics and who chose to leave the country in capable hands should something happen to the president? I know real ideas and not simplistic sound bites sound like "lawyering fog" to you, but there are those of us out here who are voting for Obama because we are definitely thinking "country first."

Posted by: phil55 | September 27, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Obama's gloves will come off after He's installed -- when people start disappearing.

Posted by: info42 | September 27, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the number of right wing trolls who are posting untruthful crap here about Sen. Obama. The Republicans have, sadly, succeeded in splitting this nation into "us and them" instead of uniting us as "we the people". Whatever happened to: "I"m a uniter, not a divider." Pure BS, just like everything McCain says. If elected, McCain will continue the Bush principles that have pushed this nation to the edge of RUIN.

Posted by: dagnome | September 27, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the number of right wing trolls who are posting unbelieveable crap here. The Republicans have, sadly, succeeded in splitting thie nation into "us and them" instead of uniting us as "we the people". Whatever happened to "I"m a uniter, not a divider." Pure BS, just like everything McCain says.

Posted by: dagnome | September 27, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Dear Samael,

I am worried that the Texan is correct. Even if Obama is prepared and able to lead, he may not be eligible. We want to be proud of our next President. We don't want to find out that he was hiding the fact that he was not a natural born citizen. We need to urge Senator Obama to provide the Philadephia court a certified copy of his original birth certificate to vanquish the allegations. Berg vs Obama 08-cv-4083. -Concerned Democrat

Posted by: brownpride046 | September 27, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse


Obama advanced new ideas and initiatives for handling both economic and international affairs ideas and strategies that are very plausible and could not and were not debunked by Mccain. On the other hand Mccain had no new ideas or initiatives to offer, only the same old rehtoric of experience and war time stories. The people that got us into this mess both economically and internationally all touted their experience, from Chaney, Rumsfield, Greenspan, the head of Merril Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns ETC, were all experienced yet lacked the vision and judgement to deal with the a changing and more complicated world.Mccain's temperament was illuminated with his disdainful and at times dismissive comments of Obama, that is indicative of the temparament of former Soviet Union leader Kruschev who by his behaviour was despised by the world.It is thereof obvious that Mccain's temperament would do a disservice to this nation in both national and international affairs,and would do nothing to regain the prestige of this nation abroad.The fact that his Vice presidential choice Sarah palin was nowhere in sight to offer commentary after the debate as is customary says, volumes of the ineptness of his choice and judgement. I believe the contrast both visionary, and intelluctually,gave us a clear choice of Obama as the capable one with the right temperament and judgement to lead this nation at this time thus obama was the victor in the debate.

Posted by: samiaelsberesford | September 27, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama looked like a Rookie. And he is a Rookie. McCain won hands down.

Obama is NOT ready to be President. He is not qualified to even RUN for President. He will make history as a political joke shoved on the American People.

Posted by: Texan2007 | September 27, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's performance in the debate showed his substance of strength,experience,leadership, and one that puts our country 1st,above all things,all of which is exactly what we need, no "DEMAND", in our next President.
The other guy at the debate Barrack Hussein Obama,a.k.a.,BO who most of us know is woefully lack in experience and needed skills for handling the most demanding job on the planet...BO gave no answers or concrete response to questions,for he has none;so,all he did was reply with "lawyering & fogging"to each topic..for in reality there is no substance to BO, as he is a talking neophyte,rookie,and we can't afford to provide "OJT/on job training" for him just to play at being Pres. of USA.

Posted by: ltk01 | September 27, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Dear dcwsano, I agree.  Senator Obama clearly won this first debate.  My concern is a phyrric Democratic victory.  The ongoing Philadelphia lawsuit (Berg vs Obama 08-cv-4083) questions Obama's eligibility to become president.  Why won't Obama simply provide a certified vault copy of his original birth certificate?  We'd all submit our birth certificates as a condition for employment.  Obama should show the court this specific legal identification that will make Mr. Berg go away.  Senator Obama should meet this challenge head on! Hiding behind a motion for dismissal is cowardly.  I want to be proud of our next president; not ashamed that I was victimized by another well-marketed confidence game. -Concerned Democrat

Posted by: brownpride046 | September 27, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Of course John McCain approved his message. He doesn't approve anything that in any way resembles the truth.

"John McCain: Me First, Truth Last."

The "Straight Talker" is dead. So is his campaign.

Posted by: deberry10 | September 27, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

As expected, both sides claim victory. McCain came across as the alpha-dog, but Obama did well – primarily because of his oratory skills. Boy! Obama sure can talk! And that’s scary considering who he really is and what he and his radical friends have planned for America.

Fortunately, the story of Obama’s long-standing radicalism and his ties to agitating, rabble-rousing, welfare promoting groups like ACORN; and terrorists like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn, will be exposed now that the story has FINALLY been picked up by such mainstream media as the Wall Street Journal (see Stanley Kurtz’ article: Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools, Sept 23).

And, despite the Obama camp’s attempts to cover it up, evidence has just surfaced that proves he lied when he told us Ayers was “just a guy in my neighborhood”. After all, Obama’s political career was launched in Ayers’ LIVINGROOM for crying out loud! See Kurtz’ other articles at the ‘Ethics and Public Policy Center’ regarding Obama’s shameful relationships with the radical left. Also see Steve Diamond’s blog at ‘Global Labor and Politics’.

Bye Bye Bama.

Don Putnam
Austin, TX

Posted by: DonPutnam1 | September 27, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain did a decent job if being nasty and condescending is what you want in a president. I was almost expecting him to call Obama "boy." Obama missed an opportunity when McCain brought out the bracelet though. He should have replied, "I have a bracelet too, John. But you know, there are way too many bracelets. I want to tell the families of all servicemen and women that as president I will only turn to war as a last resort and not deploy these fine troops so impulsively and recklessly."

Posted by: phil55 | September 27, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I keep waiting for the Obama campaign to say something about the KEATING FIVE! McCain's involvement in that scandal shows that from the very beginning of his Senate career he was whoring for the rich and ethically challenged. "Maverick?" "Reformer?" Since when? And the Resolution Trust Corporation was like a warm up act for what will be needed to clean up the sub-prime mortagage scandal.
If McCain wants to gas on and on about his long experience in the Senate, then it's about time to REMEMBER the KEATING FIVE!

Posted by: HughBriss | September 27, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

What McCain is not getting is that Americans, Main St, is more scared of losing their dreams, more concerned about our families, more afraid of not being able to meet our basic needs of health care, paying our bills, etc, than we are of the terrorists.

In other words, American people have a lower opinion of the people in power, corporate America who steals from the poor to give to the rich and politicians who ignores our needs than we are of the terrorists an ocean away.

At least we expect the terrorists to try to crush the American dream, but for our own representatives to do so is frightening.

Posted by: steveeyes | September 27, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

After a horrible week for Senator McCain, Senator Obama should have been able to put him away for good, but he seemed unable or unwilling to go for the K.O.

Posted by: lhummer | September 27, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama won the debate last night and it wasn't a draw. It is Mccain thats behind, foriegn policy is Mccains stronghold and Mccain should have gained points on Obama last night. If anybody that thinks it was a draw, than thats proof that Obama won last night. Mccain had a terrible 2 weeks with gaffes, after stunts, Last night was an opportunity for Mccain to score points and give the knock out punch. Mccain didn't do it, Obama stood his own very well on Mccain turf and Obama won. Another reason why I think Mccain lost the debate is, Mccain made allot of gaffes on his his stronghold foriegn policy. Mccain misstated the vote on Lebanon, He said Pakistan is a failed state, and he mispronounced the names of the presidents of Pakistan and Iran. This was Mccains stronghold and Obama didn't make any gaffes on foriegn policy the pronounciation of the leaders of foriegn countries, therefore, Obama was more effective and knowledgeable of on the facts. I believe Obama won and it wasn't a draw because Obama held his own and Mccain made mistakes on his own turf.

Posted by: amosdefnails | September 27, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

by Obama's "standards":

obama never said he loves america, therefore he does not!

Posted by: newagent99 | September 27, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Working across the aisle for Obama is agreeing with John McCain. Yet, he votes with Harry, the Hackman, Reid. I appreciate why Obama wanted to get out of Washington so fast. Who wants to have a photo op with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chris Dodd and last, but not least, Barney, sub-prime, Frank.
http://www.bop-o-rama.com
Ithought it was the three stooges. But it looks like we have 4!

Posted by: acarponzo | September 27, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama won the debate because, as the one preceived to have less experience, all he needed to do was hold his own and not have any gaffes. He more than met that test. My prediction: Obama up by 10 points in the polls in a week.

Posted by: dcwsano | September 27, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

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