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Democrats Launch a New 'Lie Counter' Site

By Michael D. Shear
If any evidence were needed of the new, aggressive response by Democrats to Republican charges, a new Web site from the national party should dispel any doubts.

The site, "Count the Lies," will go live Monday, targeting what the Democratic National Committee says are falsehoods coming from Sen. John McCain and the Republican Party.

The total so far, according to the Democrats: 51 since McCain wrapped up the GOP presidential nomination in February.

McCain has been criticized by independent groups and the media over a recent and significant uptick in the number of unsubstantiated claims in his ads.

Seizing on those reports, the new Democratic Web site sports a "Lie Counter," which the DNC says will increase every time McCain or his surrogates offer what it regards as an untruth.

McCain aides have steadfastly stood by their ads and reject the criticism as biased and unfair. They say they are merely responding to months of harsh and unfair attacks from Sen. Barack Obama.

That point was made by President Bush's former top political adviser, Karl Rove, on Sunday morning. But Rove cast doubt as well about some of McCain's ads.

In response to a question, Rove said on "Fox News Sunday" that McCain has "similarly gone one step too far, and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100 percent truth test.''

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It's not that the Democrats need a "lie Counter" site. What they really need is a good Ad person to put all of McCains Comments in ad and run them on TV. I think TV where McCain Ad's get double exposure, once when he runs them, and several other times when his favorable TV News Media include them in their Comentary and discussions.

McCain is getting favorable treatment from the TV News Media in the way they treat anything he says or does. It seems as if they are aftaid of both he and Palin. McCain is the most unstable person we have ever had running for president, in my lifetime, and the News Media has been treating him with Kid Gloves.

They ask him a question, and he either tell the reporter he's not going to talk about it, like he did when asked about the relationship with the female Lobbyist, and it extended to the interview he gave on TV when he was given advanced information about what his opponent said, and when asked certain questions, he started talking about his War Record which wasn't the question, and he does this all the time.

He did it on the "View", but the News Media don't point this out and the interviewer don't stop him from talking about something that he wasn't asked. He's using the News Media and they are letting him do it, so they are working for his benefit. So it's not just about a Web Site, fewer people view a Web Site than what watch those Ad's and Comentaries on TV.

Obama doesn't have good Ad writers, they are too bland, ineffective, and not hard hitting. Obama can't continue and allow McCain to steal his message, he has to come up with messages that McCain can't or won't steal. Obama has to start to play a "Mind" game on McCain, put him in a Box where he will have no place to turn.

The repackaging of McCain could be based on some of his past statements, but they have to be properly organized, with anticipated follow-ups to be responded to. But Obama can't get off his own message, but he has to defeat McCain based on who McCain has said he is, and what his history indicates he is. That particular method of evaluation can apply to any Candidate.

leart

Posted by: leart2 | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

It's not that the Democrats need a "lie Counter" site. What they really need is a good Ad person to put all of McCains Comments in ad and run them on TV. I think TV where McCain Ad's get double exposure, once when he runs them, and several other times when his favorable TV News Media include them in their Comentary and discussions.

McCain is getting favorable treatment from the TV News Media in the way they treat anything he says or does. It seems as if they are aftaid of both he and Palin. McCain is the most unstable person we have ever had running for president, in my lifetime, and the News Media has been treating him with Kid Gloves.

They ask him a question, and he either tell the reporter he's not going to talk about it, like he did when asked about the relationship with the female Lobbyist, and it extended to the interview he gave on TV when he was given advanced information about what his opponent said, and when asked certain questions, he started talking about his War Record which wasn't the question, and he does this all the time.

He did it on the "View", but the News Media don't point this out and the interviewer don't stop him from talking about something that he wasn't asked. He's using the News Media and they are letting him do it, so they are working for his benefit. So it's not just about a Web Site, fewer people view a Web Site than what watch those Ad's and Comentaries on TV.

Obama doesn't have good Ad writers, they are too bland, ineffective, and not hard hitting. Obama can't continue and allow McCain to steal his message, he has to come up with messages that McCain can't or won't steal. Obama has to start to play a "Mind" game on McCain, put him in a Box where he will have no place to turn.

The repackaging of McCain could be based on some of his past statements, but they have to be properly organized, with anticipated follow-ups to be responded to. But Obama can't get off his own message, but he has to defeat McCain based on who McCain has said he is, and what his history indicates he is. That particular method of evaluation can apply to any Candidate.

leart

Posted by: leart2 | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

you know McCain is BS'ing us when even Karl Rove sees it as lies

Posted by: joshtheVET | September 15, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

it is not amusing to see the old man blatantly lie, it is just downright sad. when are you going to include palin's antics on here as well??

+1: never visited iraq (kuwait, germany, mexico, and canada)
+2: never visited ireland (refuel stop)
+3: supported Bridge to Nowhere, then spent the money on other projects when Congress pulled the plug
+4: didn't sell ex-governor's jet on ebay, she sold it at a loss to a private broker
+5: family and staff subpeanoed in investigation of her abuse of power to fire a chief who wouldn't fire her sister ex-husband
+6: did indeed seek earmarks as mayor
+7: did indeed seek earmarks as governor (more than any other state)

Posted by: diesel | September 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

it is not amusing to see the old man blatantly lie, it is just downright sad. when are you going to include palin's antics on here as well??

+1: never visited iraq (kuwait, germany, mexico, and canada)
+2: never visited ireland (refuel stop)
+3: supported Bridge to Nowhere, then spent the money on other projects when Congress pulled the plug
+4: didn't sell ex-governor's jet on ebay, she sold it at a loss to a private broker
+5: family and staff subpeanoed in investigation of her abuse of power to fire a chief who wouldn't fire her sister ex-husband
+6: did indeed seek earmarks as mayor
+7: did indeed seek earmarks as governor (more than any other state)

Posted by: diesel | September 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

it is not amusing to see the old man blatantly lie, it is just downright sad. when are you going to include palin's antics on here as well??

+1: never visited iraq (kuwait, germany, mexico, and canada)
+2: never visited ireland (refuel stop)
+3: supported Bridge to Nowhere, then spent the money on other projects when Congress pulled the plug
+4: didn't sell ex-governor's jet on ebay, she sold it at a loss to a private broker
+5: family and staff subpeanoed in investigation of her abuse of power to fire a chief who wouldn't fire her sister ex-husband
+6: did indeed seek earmarks as mayor
+7: did indeed seek earmarks as governor (more than any other state)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

MCCANE IS BEING ACCUSED OF BEING JUST LIKE BUSH... WELL LET ME SEE... DO I WANT 4 MORE YEARS OF BUSH OR 4 MORE YEARS OF JIMMEY CARTER???? THAT'S RIGHT... OBAMA AND CARTER ARE EXACTLY ALIKE...
FOR THOSE TOO YOUNG TO REMEMBER, TAKE A STROLL WITH ME DOWN MEMORY LANE....CARTER BANKRUPTED OUR COUNTRY...HIGH UNEMPLOYEMENT AND INTEREST RATES(18%). HE TOPPED THAT OFF WITH ZERO CREDIBILITY IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD (NO BALLS TO STAND UP TO IRAN).... YES, THOSE WHERE TO GOOD OLD DAYS..... NOT

Posted by: Jennifer | September 15, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Just like Bush , McCain cannot accept responsibility for his actions. Just like criminals who blame the police. John McCain and his running mate have lied on numerous occasions to the American people and he blames Obama . Unbelievable. Now that the religious right has embraced him it might be a good time to learn the Ten Commandments.

Posted by: pam,s.c. | September 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain is lying?

When he met Cindy Hensly he was a 41 y/o man lying about his age in the hopes of getting together with a 24 y/o (sound familiar?)
He lied to his wife about his age, he lied to his current wife about being married when they met.

He laughs about lying to his wife in at about 3:12 in this CNN interview clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIX-XHlZFw&feature=related

If he's going to laugh that he lied about being 38 and unmarried, what kind of belly-roll do you think he's going to get out of the whoppers that he tells to the American people.

Posted by: mcrose | September 15, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

'McCain has been criticized by independent groups and the media over a recent and significant uptick in the number of unsubstantiated claims in his ads.'

Cut out the faux evenhanded nonsense on this. He's been criticized not because of "unsubstantiated claims" but because of clearly defined lies. When you fail to report a lie as a lie, you only encourage them to lie more.

Posted by: alibidrain | September 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

We are in the middle of an economic meltdown. McCain and his advisers (who are the same people who advised Bush)continue to say the fundamentals are strong, that this really not that bad,that this is all in our heads.

McCain is wants to double down on the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and the corporations. He and his advisers are all trickle down economists. It has been failing for decades. The wealth does not trickle down and the government revenues to not go up. Now we see that some of the economic pain the middle class has been feeling as a result of McCain-onomics is tricking up to Wall Street. Maybe now they will see the wisdom of some oversight and regulations of our markets.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha....When KARL ROVE says you're not telling the truth you know you're one lie over the line!

Bartender, I think he's had enough!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

What? Criticisms of the negativity of the campaigns coming out of Karl Rove? Didn't it sound like a malicious gang leader pretending to be the cop?

And give me a break --- don't try to pretend that both campaigns are equally guilty. There's already a wide consensus among the news media that McCain is running the sleaziest campaign in history.

Posted by: ChrisL1 | September 15, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain is not to be trusted. Period. End of story. His integrity is gone, his handlers will do anything to get him elected. They must not get away with it.

Posted by: lsigalov | September 15, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Rangel and Obama "working together to craft preminary legislative agenda"- That's just what our economy needs!

**NY Times Calls for Rangel's Resignation from Chairmanship of House Ways and Means Committee Today**

From Newsweek 8/28/08

OBAMA TEAM WORKS WITH HILL DEMOCRATS
(Jonathan Weisman, Washington Post)
Eager to avoid the missteps that plagued the first months of the Clinton administration, aides to Barack Obama have begun working in concert with top Democrats in Congress to craft a preliminary legislative agenda that would guide the senator from Illinois should he capture the White House in November. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has assigned her committee chairmen to begin with low-hanging fruit to build confidence and provide a new, young president quick legislative victories, then pivot to more challenging issues, from ending U.S. military involvement in Iraq to broadening health-care coverage. House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) said his policy staffs and Obama's have been working together for more than a month. (!)

Posted by: Alan | September 15, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

mccain is a terrible hypocrite and liar.. he may have been a POW, but that does not mean he will make a good pesident... palin was nothing more than a ploy to get votes... she will be a heartbeat away from presidency with mccains ailing sicknesses... are you serious???

Posted by: deshaun | September 15, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

From Today's WS Journal

"Why Feminists Hate Sarah Palin"

"...Mrs. Palin's marriage actually makes her a terrific role model. One of the best choices a woman can make if she wants a career and a family is to pick a partner who will be able to take on equal or primary responsibility for child-rearing. Our culture still harbors a lingering perception that such men are less than manly -- and who better to smash that stereotype than "First Dude" Todd Palin?

Nevertheless, when Sarah Palin offered a tribute to her husband in her Republican National Convention speech, New York Times columnist Judith Warner read this as a message that she is "subordinate to a great man." Perhaps the message was a brilliant reversal of the old saw that behind every man is a great woman: Here, the great woman is out in front and the great man provides the support. Isn't that real feminism?

Not to Ms. Marsh, who insists that feminism must demand support for women from the government. In this worldview, advocating more federal subsidies for institutional day care is pro-woman; advocating tax breaks or regulatory reform that would help home-based care providers -- preferred by most working parents -- is not. Trying to legislate away the gender gap in earnings (which no self-respecting economist today blames primarily on discrimination) is feminist. Expanding opportunities for part-time and flexible jobs is "the Republican Party line."

I disagree with Sarah Palin on a number of issues, including abortion rights. But when the feminist establishment treats not only pro-life feminism but small-government, individualist feminism as heresy, it writes off multitudes of women.

Of course, being a feminist role model is not part of the vice president's job description, and there are legitimate questions about Mrs. Palin's qualifications. And yet, like millions of American women -- and men -- I find her can-do feminism infinitely more liberated than the what-can-the-government-do-for-me brand espoused by the sisterhood."

Ms. Young, a contributing editor at Reason magazine, is author of "Ceasefire!: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces To Achieve True Equality" (Free Press, 1999).

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

This was supposed to be the year of the democrat... by all intents and purposes they should have had this election all but sewn up... but the Democrats will have no one to blame but themselves when they lose in a landslide in November. The electorate isn't as gullible as they think. Next time Democrats run a ticket that at least has a chance of winning.

Posted by: Richard in VA | September 15, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Who in their right mind would spend any time doing that?

====
Team Obama had the counter really jumping at http://www.boppoll.com yesterday. There were times when 5 to 10 people where making their bops count at the same time. One person can do 60 bops per minute, 10 people, 600 bops per minute.
We can count the lies but make your bops count!
Go Team Obama!

Posted by: mgultch | September 15, 2008 7:32 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

OMG A Website?!?

ROFL

I don’t think it will reach the millions of Baby Boomers who can barely check their email, let alone surf long enough to actually care about finding a fact-checking site....

But I guess they need to spend all those millions of dirty money on something ;)

Posted by: Yawn | September 15, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Give 'em Hell, Sarah
Like Truman, a natural-born executive.
by Steven F. Hayward
09/22/2008, Volume 014, Issue 02


"Part of what bothers the establishment about Palin is her seeming insouciance toward public office. Her success with voters, and in national office, would be n affront and a reproach to establishment self-importance. Anyone who affects making it look easy surely lacks gravitas and must not grasp the complexity or depth of modern political problems. Partly this is the self-justification for establishment institutions and attitudes, but partly it represents the substantive view that the size and complexity of modern government require a level of expertise beyond the reach of ordinary citizens. Some of the doubts about Palin are doubts about self-government itself.

As far no one has picked up on the significance of Palin's invocation of Harry Truman in her convention speech. Her reference was more than just a bridge to a heartland-versus-Beltway theme. Truman, recall, was the only president of the 20th century who was not a college graduate. Less than two months after abruptly taking over from FDR with no preparation, Truman wrote his wife Bess describing his quick progress in taking the reins:


It won't be long before I can sit back and study the whole picture and tell 'em what is to be done in each department. When things come to that stage there'll be no more to this job than there was to running Jackson County and not any more worry.


In retrospect it is clear that Truman "got it." He didn't need any more "experience" to master the job. "Well I'm facing another tall day as usual,"
he ended that letter to Bess; "But I like 'em that way."

Ronald Reagan evinced the same attitude toward office as Truman and Palin. In fact, on closer inspection, one can hear in the criticism of Palin the echo of the same kind of complaint made against Ronald Reagan throughout his political career. Never mind that he'd been governor of California. That this graduate of Eureka College--where?--had made his career in Hollywood, a place as exotic and peculiar as Alaska, was decisive with the establishment. "Reagan's election," John P. Roche, a former head of Americans for Democratic Action, wrote in 1984, "was thus an 8-plus earthquake on the political Richter scale, and it sent a number of eminent statesmen--Republican and Democratic--into shock." It wasn't only liberals who found Reagan incomprehensible. "No previous president of the United States," Rowland Evans and Robert Novak wrote shortly after Reagan's election in 1980, "had so bizarre a preparation for political office."

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

September 15, 2008
Can McCain Really Win Pennsylvania?
By Salena Zito

The intelligent question thrown out among strategists for both campaigns is, can John McCain really win Pennsylvania?

Really win it, not pretend to go for it, as Republicans did in 2004, all the while closing the deal in Ohio when no one was looking.

The last Republican presidential candidate to win Pennsylvania was George H.W. Bush, in 1988 -- a win preceded by two Reagans but followed by two Clintons, a Gore and a Kerry. The Kerry win was narrower than the others, however.

Since this year's Pennsylvania primaries, many people have been schooled on the mechanics of how Democrats win this state. Call it the "Rendell rule": Stack up high numbers in the Philly collar counties, hold the losses to a minimum in the other 60, and try to win Allegheny for good measure.

Can Barack Obama pull off a Rendell?

Villanova University political science professor Bob Maranto says political undercurrents are playing against him. "This is an old state, demographically, and some older white voters will be reluctant to vote for a black candidate," he explains, "but there is something more at work. Even if they call themselves independents, most voters more or less automatically vote either Democratic or Republican."

Maranto calculates that the 20 percent or so of voters who really are up for grabs will use information about a candidate's background to make assumptions about his policy views.

Pennsylvanians don't see McCain in the "failed Bush policies" category by which Democrats try to define him. Instead, they see a war hero, a brand that resonates in the blue-collar areas where their unions are trying to persuade them otherwise.

"He is a guy you can depend on," said Tom Miller, 54, of Lancaster, a registered Democrat who is very comfortable voting for McCain. "He has had no problem bucking his own party and he does not ask me to make sacrifices that he isn't willing to make."

Add the stereotypes that some voters hold about black candidates and Obama dilutes the Rendell rule.

So, where can McCain offset traditional Democrat voting blocs?

In Allegheny, Bucks and Chester counties, where a large number of those voters live.

To win Allegheny, McCain must win the entire South Hills area minus Mt. Lebanon. He also must win the new suburban areas around the airport, as well as the Mon Valley, where poorer working white voters live. He can easily sweep the North Hills as well as the small river towns.

Achieve that, and McCain offsets Pittsburgh's black and elite-liberal numbers.

McCain also must win Bucks County, where he should have Sarah Palin establish residency in the large churches in the northern half while he camps out in southern Bucks.

Chester County will be the hardest. McCain won't win West Chester, but the rest of the county -- a one-time Republican stronghold -- is persuadable.

All three counties have healthy-sized veterans populaces, with lots of socially conservative labor-Catholic Democrats -- all voters that professor Maranto views as weaknesses for Obama.

Democrat analyst Larry Ceisler admits problems exist for Obama in counties like Washington, Beaver and Fayette, but he is not quite sold on the idea that McCain can win Allegheny, Chester and Bucks.

The unknown factor in Obama's favor is the latest statewide voter-registration number. Obama state director Craig Schirmer issued a statement last week touting 1 million-plus more registered Democrats than Republicans, double the lead of 2004.

Perhaps the bigger argument is that if McCain is posting Bush 2004 poll numbers in Pennsylvania in the waning days of this election, it indicates that Ohio, Indiana and Michigan are already lost to Obama. Pennsylvania is just that small percentage point more Democrat than her Rust-Belt sisters.

University of Virginia political science professor Larry Sabato says his tentative conclusion is that McCain should not allow the money to run in Pennsylvania unless he has unlimited resources, and instead should look west. His argument: If McCain is close in Pennsylvania, then he already is well above 300 Electoral College votes and won't need it to win.

Salena Zito is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review editorial page columnist. E-mail her at szito@tribweb.com

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Another bonehead move by the Obama campaign. All the republicans have to do is make a commercial about how Obama lied about his Rezko connections, and his never hearing Rev. Wright say anything bad. What else has Obama lied to the American people about this campaign? Those are two so far. What are the others?

Posted by: Jo | September 15, 2008 7:39 AM

heres at least one, its called "padding the resume"

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/did-obama-turn-down-a-wall-street-career

feel free to look up the lawsuits against obama as well as his "keen ability" to stretch them out for days at a time until he can win the election.

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Another bonehead move by the Obama campaign. All the republicans have to do is make a commercial about how Obama lied about his Rezko connections, and his never hearing Rev. Wright say anything bad. What else has Obama lied to the American people about this campaign? Those are two so far. What are the others?

Posted by: Jo | September 15, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Too little credit is given to Sarah Palin plan to get USA out of recession.

We just have to kill more wolves!!!!

Killing wolves provides employment to small aircraft manufacturers,
supplies population with furs and thus reduces the dependance on foreign oils to heat the houses,
and also adds another product for export to the dog eating countries.

Palin for President!

Posted by: Serge Birbrair | September 15, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Team Obama had the counter really jumping at http://www.boppoll.com yesterday. There were times when 5 to 10 people where making their bops count at the same time. One person can do 60 bops per minute, 10 people, 600 bops per minute.
We can count the lies but make your bops count!
Go Team Obama!

Posted by: mgultch | September 15, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Jesus Christ, when even Karl Rove thinks you've gone too far...

Posted by: Joe | September 15, 2008 5:40 AM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin = Pro-LIE

Posted by: zuzu | September 15, 2008 4:47 AM | Report abuse

From:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/proposed-commercial-mac-vs-pc.html

Sunday, September 14, 2008

A Proposed Commercial: Mac vs. PC

(White background. Childlike piano music plays)

(A picture of Barack Obama appears against the background)

VO: (Similar to voice of "Mac" character): Barack Obama is like a Mac.

(A picture of John McCain appears against the background)

VO: (Similar to voice of "PC" character): John McCain is like a PC.

(Picture of a bank against the background)

VO: McCain likes the old economics, corporate welfare, and tax breaks for the wealthy of George W. Bush.

(Quick cuts: Picture of Countrywide Branch, Picture of Bear Stearns, Picture of IndyMac against background)

(Picture of Obama)

VO: Obama doesn't like old systems that crash.

(Picture of a mother, father, son and daughter against the background)

VO: Obama thinks that when it comes to health care, every American should have the access and support they need.

(Picture of family fades to blank background)

VO: McCain is against these health benefits for children, families and the elderly. He believes that when it comes to access and support for health, it's an "ownership society"--you're on your own.

(Picture of a woman standing against background)

VO: For women, McCain talks a good game, but he is against a woman's right to choose, would repeal Roe v. Wade, and even voted against equal pay for women.

(Picture expands to show many women standing behind her)

VO: Barack Obama believes that every woman should be paid the same for the same work as every man, and that every woman has the right to make her own choices.

(Picture of George W. Bush)

VO: Barack Obama has called for an end to the distortions, mismanagement, and failed policies of the Bush Administration that have left so many families in distress.

(Famed picture of McCain hugging George W. Bush)

VO: McCain has agreed with George W. Bush 90% of the time.

(Picture of McCain)

VO: John McCain. Do you really want to spend another four years with the same old system?

(Music outro. Fade.)

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/proposed-commercial-mac-vs-pc.html

Posted by: Robert Hewson | September 15, 2008 4:46 AM | Report abuse

Current election lie count for John McCain: 13,217.

Posted by: Michael Davies | September 15, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

a new website?

rofl, that is upping thier "aggresive response" ?

where are the lawsuits? try again democrats.

no lawsuits = no proof

obamas lawsuits = 3

mccains lawsuits = 0

who is the liar?

roffles and pwncakes the official breakfast of the democratic party, apparently ignorance is bliss.

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

We're having an economic meltdown and McCain wants to run around putting lipstick on his pig. His pig being the policies that brought about this mess. He has to lie.

Posted by: Crempole Stalwart | September 15, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

My new favorite website

Posted by: Obama/Biden 08 | September 15, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama already won the battle of ideas. Bush is taking his advice now even if it's very late. Lies win campaigns but truth is needed to fix a country.

The administration has pushed ahead with high-level diplomatic negotiations with Iran and North Korea, agreed to a "time horizon" for a reduction of U.S. forces in Iraq and announced plans last week to shift troops and other resources from Iraq to Afghanistan. U.S. officials also confirmed last week that Bush has formally authorized cross-border raids into Pakistan without that government's approval -- an idea that Obama first endorsed, and was heavily criticized for, last year.

Posted by: Obama Won | September 15, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin had sex with John McCain to get the job. Ask Vicki Iseman about it. Cindy McCain is now losing her looks like Carol McCain was when John started cheating on her.

Posted by: Karl Rove Jr. | September 15, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

the lie counter is a great idea.
i hope they enlist a graphic artist to make it more eye-friendly.

Posted by: Rog | September 15, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

The sad part is McCain was so against these scummy lies when Bush did it to him and John Kerry. If McCain from 2000 ran against McCain from today it would be interesting to see him smear his old self as having bastard black children and being a Keating bribe-taking Manchurian candidate who snitched to the Viet Cong.

Posted by: McLie | September 15, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

McCain is telling you he wants to change things in Washington. Then why does he want to continue the policies that have hurt Americans for the last 8 years? We cannot afford another 4 years of the same old politics. Don't let McCain distort the truth!

Vote for Real Change. Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: ChangeIn08 | September 15, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

oh no don't dooie

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Republicans can't win on the facts. They perfected the art of small talk.

Posted by: brock101 | September 15, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

The big question is how soon will the lie counter overflow?

Republicans never tell the truth.

Posted by: Don | September 15, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

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