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Durbin: McCain 'Completely Out of Touch'


Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), speaks at the Democratic National Convention at Invesco Field in Denver, Aug. 28, 2008. (Paul Sancya/Associated Press)

By Shailagh Murray
Turning up the burners on John McCain, the Obama campaign rolled out two outspoken Illinois allies to undermine the veteran Arizona senator's credibility as a change agent.

On a conference call with reporters, scheduled to coincide with the release of two new Obama ads, Sen. Richard Durbin portrayed McCain as a detached Washington insider, especially impervious to the current economic hardships facing many Americans. "He is completely out of touch with the reality of today's economy," said Durbin.

"He's not in touch with people's lives, and his whole life shows that," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, playing off one of the new ads that notes McCain's computer illiteracy. "He's removed from the day to day challenges."

The conference call is part of an aggressive counter-offensive that the Obama campaign will launch in the coming days, in an effort to seize back momentum. Vice presidential nominee Joe Biden is expected to play an integral role in the process, campaign officials said, as are numerous political surrogates, including Durbin.

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I'm for Independence from Foreign Oil AND Against Global Warming- So, I CAN'T vote Democratic this year, because your candidate panders to his Illinois Farmers!

Obama's Gift to Illinois farmers-

(I thought he was for a REDUCTION in dependency on foreign oil- corn ethanol requires 1 unit of petroleum for every unit it replaces- the more we make, the more we need, the bigger the profits in Illinois and the warmer the planet gets)

Study: Ethanol may add to global warming
Updated 2/8/2008 5:52 PM
By H. Josef Hebert, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON — The widespread use of ethanol from corn could result in nearly twice the greenhouse gas emissions as the gasoline it would replace because of expected land-use changes, researchers concluded Thursday. The study challenges the rush to biofuels as a response to global warming.
The researchers said that past studies showing the benefits of ethanol in combating climate change have not taken into account almost certain changes in land use worldwide if ethanol from corn — and in the future from other feedstocks such as switchgrass — become a prized commodity.
"Using good cropland to expand biofuels will probably exacerbate global warming," concludes the study published in Science magazine.
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The researchers said that farmers under economic pressure to produce biofuels will increasingly "plow up more forest or grasslands," releasing much of the carbon formerly stored in plants and soils through decomposition or fires. Globally, more grasslands and forests will be converted to growing the crops to replace the loss of grains when U.S. farmers convert land to biofuels, the study said.
The Renewable Fuels Association, which represents ethanol producers, called the researchers' view of land-use changes "simplistic" and said the study "fails to put the issue in context."
FIND MORE STORIES IN: Congress | Princeton University | Thursday
"Assigning the blame for rainforest deforestation and grassland conversion to agriculture solely on the renewable fuels industry ignores key factors that play a greater role," said Bob Dinneen, the association's president.
There has been a rush to developing biofuels, especially ethanol from corn and cellulosic feedstock such as switchgrass and wood chips, as a substitute for gasoline. President Bush signed energy legislation in December that mandates a six-fold increase in ethanol use as a fuel to 36 billion gallons a year by 2022, calling the requirement key to weaning the nation from imported oil.
The new "green" fuel, whether made from corn or other feedstocks, has been widely promoted — both in Congress and by the White House — as a key to combating global warming. Burning it produces less carbon dioxide, the leading greenhouse gas, than the fossil fuels it will replace.
During the recent congressional debate over energy legislation, lawmakers frequently cited estimates that corn-based ethanol produces 20% less greenhouse gases in production, transportation and use than gasoline, and that cellulosic ethanol has an even greater benefit of 70% less emissions.
The study released Thursday by researchers affiliated with Princeton University and a number of other institutions maintains that these analyses "were one-sided" and counted the carbon benefits of using land for biofuels but not the carbon costs of diverting land from its existing uses.
"The other studies missed a key factor that everyone agrees should have been included, the land use changes that actually are going to increase greenhouse gas emissions," said Tim Searchinger, a research scholar at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs and lead author of the study.
The study said that after taking into account expected worldwide land-use changes, corn-based ethanol, instead of reducing greenhouse gases by 20%, will increases it by 93% compared to using gasoline over a 30-year period. Biofuels from switchgrass, if they replace croplands and other carbon-absorbing lands, would result in 50% more greenhouse gas emissions, the researchers concluded.

Posted by: Scott | September 12, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

OH YEA DID YOU ALL SEE THE VIEW TODAY BUSH= MCSAME GOT HAMMER TODAY BY JOY AND WHOOPIE IT WAS OFF THE HOOK ME AND HUSBAND WERE TRIPPING OFF BUSH= MCSAME IT WAS PAST THAT DEAR IN THE HEAD LIGHT THING HE HAD GOOD RUN OVER WITH THE WHOOOLE CAR. BUSH= MCSAME REALLY THINK THAT AMERICA PEOPLE IS STUPID MCSAME SAID THAT HE AGRESS WITH HIS VICE PRESIDENT RUNNING MATE PROGRAMMED PALIN ON ROE vs WADE, THEY ARE AGAINST IT KNOW MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION THAT WOMEN GOT PREGNANT IN, EVEN IF IT'S INCEST AND RAPE. THEY ARE SO AGAINST THAT AND THAT IS REASON WHY OBAMA WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF AMERICA. BECAUSE BUSH= MCSAME PROGRAMMED=PALIN THEY ARE LYING ALL THE TIME FOR INSTANT IN OHIO THEY ARE RUNNING AD SAYING THAT OBAMA IS GOING TO RAISE
TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS. LISTEN PEOPLE THIS IS A TRICK JUST DON'T BE FOOLED VOTE OBAMA'08 FOR PREDIDENT WE JUST AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS OF THE SAME A FAMILY WITH THE INCOME OF $75.000 STANDS TO RECEIVE JUST $125.00 UNDER BUSH=MCSAME & PROGRAMMED PALIN TAX PLAN THROUGH HIS EXPANDED EXEMPTION EXEMPTION FOR DEPENDENTS UNDER THE OBAMA PLAN THAT SAME FAMILY WOULD RECEIVE A $1.000 REFUNDABLE TAX CREDIT TO OFFSET THE PAY ROLL TAXES, A NET GAIN OF AROUND $1.600 FOR COLLEGE TUITION, AND $500.00 FROM HIS UNIVERSAL MORTGAGE TAX CREDIT AIMED AT FAMILIES THAT DO NOT ITEMIZE THEIR RETURNS FOR A TOTAL TAX CUT OF $3.100. VOTE OBAMA'08 FOR PRESIDENT VOTE OBAMA'08 FOR PRESIDENT IF YOU ARE BROKE YOU NEED TO VOTE... VOTE OBAMA'08 FOR PRESIDENT

Posted by: renee | September 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Addendum: Palin's Alaska experience was omitted in my previous post.

Palin has been governor of Alaska, population less than 700,000, for less than two years.

Posted by: P. Richard | September 12, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Mike H. wrote:
"I am a resident of Illinois and I am concerned about the hypocrisy of Barack Obama, Rahn Emmanuel and Dick Durbin."

I would be more concerned about the hypocrisy of John McCain, who defended his experience and bashed that of his opponents Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney:

"I am prepared. I am prepared and need no on-the-job training. I wasn’t the mayor for a short period of time. I wasn’t a governor for a short period of time."

Romney was governor of Massachusetts, population > 6 million, for four years. Sarah Palin has been governor of Alaska, population

Giuliani was mayor of New York City, population about 8 million, for eight years. Palin was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, population about 5,000, for six years.

McCain's hypocrisy on executive experience and leadership qualifications when it comes to the person who may well succeed him as president is far more troubling than any allegations stirred up about Obama's Illinois connections.

McCain's debate comments RE: mayors and governors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzhFDQIgGSg

Posted by: P. Richard | September 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the very first item posted on this discussion.
Why hasn't Barack Obama addressed the corruption in his home state of Illinois?
His party is in complete control of all segments of government but they have done absolutely nothing to reform government, address ethical failings and fight corruption!
If this is what he is going to bring to D.C. we do not need it!

Posted by: Joe Jankovic | September 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Now, with the help of a 2008 Supreme Court decision, Crawford vs. Marion County (Indiana) Election Board, white Republicans in some areas will keep eligible blacks from voting by requiring driver's licenses. Not only is this new-fangled discrimination constitutional, it's spreading."

Lol gotta respond to this that I saw as I scanned the posts quickly before signing off. This is an issue of helping to prevent voter fraud. Legal forms of identification are needed for a ton of things now especially because of identity theft. I think it is completely reasonable to ask for identification for voting and if you don't have a drivers license you can get a state id.

Calling this discrimination just makes you look foolish (actually the original person who posted since you copy and paste) and takes away from the legitimacy of valid discrimination when it occurs.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Lol this thread is dead. The people posting at least their own liberal ideas stop responding when you offer counter points they can't argue effectively, and the only people that are left are paid bloggers spamming huge posts to put the real posts way down the page. Good luck to people with any sort of independant thought on this thread regardless of your political stances.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Not only is McCain totally out of touch, but he lacks even the basic morals!

Who could trust such a dishonest person, like McCain!?

Posted by: Cin | September 12, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous maybe you are IronComments on WSJ otherwise it looks like your post "can be found just with a google search" also.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/10/protesters-tag-along-as-mccain-campaigns/?mod=hpp_asia_blogs

The propoganda posts made by people from both sides are boring. Part of critical thinking skills is to be able to transform facts, ideas, opinions, etc into your own words. I've made several posts I am interested in your perspective on rather than reposting internet blogs.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I JUST NEEDED TO ADD THIS PIECE THAT WAS FIRST REPORTED ON THE TOM HARTMAN PROGRAM ON AIR AMERICA RADIO AND GREEN 960 YESTERDAY 9.11.08

This morning Newsweek has confirmed that....

Jim Crawford’ Republicans
The GOP is working to keep eligible African-Americans from voting in several states.

Sep 11, 2008 | Updated: 2:37 p.m. ET Sep 11, 2008
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It was a mainstay of Jim Crow segregation: for 100 years after the Civil War, Southern white Democrats kept eligible blacks from voting with poll taxes, literacy tests and property requirements. Starting in the 1960s, the U.S. Supreme Court declared these assaults on the heart of American democracy unconstitutional.

Now, with the help of a 2008 Supreme Court decision, Crawford vs. Marion County (Indiana) Election Board, white Republicans in some areas will keep eligible blacks from voting by requiring driver's licenses. Not only is this new-fangled discrimination constitutional, it's spreading.

GOP proponents of the move say they are merely trying to reduce voter fraud. But while occasional efforts to stuff ballot boxes through phony absentee voting still surface, the incidence of individual vote fraud—voting when you aren't eligible—is virtually non-existent, as "The Truth About Vote Fraud," a study by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, clearly shows. In other words, the problem Republicans claim they want to combat with increased ID requirements doesn't exist. Meanwhile, those ID hurdles facing individuals do nothing to stop the organized insiders who still try to game the system.

The motive here is political, not racial. Republicans aren't bigots like the Jim Crow segregationists. But they know that increased turnout in poor, black neighborhoods is good for Democrats. In that sense, the effort to suppress voting still amounts to the practical equivalent of racism.

In Crawford, the court upheld an Indiana law essentially requiring a passport or driver's license in order to vote. But more than two thirds of Indiana adults have no passports and nearly 15 percent have no driver's licenses. These eligible voters, disproportionately African-American, will need to take a bus or catch a ride from a friend down to the motor vehicles bureau to make sure they obtain a nondriver photo ID. Otherwise, they cannot vote in Indiana this year.

To get an idea of how many African-Americans nationwide lack driver's licenses, recall Hurricane Katrina in 2005, when thousands were stranded without transportation. "Crawford Republicans" could make the old "Jim Crow Democrats" look like pikers when it comes to voter suppression.

Consider Wisconsin, a swing state. Republicans officials there are suing to enforce a "no match, no vote" provision in state regulations, where voters must not only show a photo ID, but establish that it matches the name and number in the Department of Motor Vehicles or Social Security Administration database. (Democrats are resisting the suit.) These lists are riddled with errors in every state, as the Brennan Center has proven in its report, "Restoring the Right to Vote."

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How error prone? Florida wrongly purged tens of thousands of law-abiding, mostly Democratic, voters from the rolls in 2000, claiming they were felons. (This, among other things, cost Al Gore the presidency). Even after the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) and worldwide attention, the Florida software is still flawed. It requires only an 80 percent match to the name of a convicted felon. "So if there's a murderous John Peterson, the software disenfranchises everyone named John Peters," Andrew Hacker writes in a recent New York Review of Books.

Voters caught in these snafus can have their rights restored but not if they fail to straighten things out before Election Day. Otherwise they are granted "provisional ballots" that are sometimes counted and sometimes not. Even obtaining a provisional ballot can require an appearance in front of a judge in some states. Faced with the hassle, most voters just give up.

The ability of actual felons to get their right to vote back varies by state. It's especially hard for felons to vote in Virginia; a bit easier in Pennsylvania and Michigan. (Other countries are far more generous to ex-convicts, figuring that having paid their debt to society they should be allowed to vote again.)

All of this would seem to favor John McCain over Barack Obama this year, but some voting-rights trends are pointing in the opposite direction.

In Ohio, where the governor and secretary of state changed in 2006 from Republican to Democrat, a new law allows voters to register to vote and fill out an absentee ballot at the same time between Sept. 30 and Oct. 6. This will mean a week of furious campaigning and early voting in a key state.

Advantage Obama. With 470,000 students enrolled in Ohio's public colleges and universities (and nine out of 10 are Ohio residents), expect a bumper crop of young voters.

The combination of voter suppression and early voting make turnout predictions perilous. And without knowing turnout, most polling is deeply flawed.

So about the only thing we know for sure this year is that with the Crawford decision we are seeing a return to the days when one political party saw a huge advantage in preventing as many poor people as possible from voting. That's understandable politically, but also un-American.

© 2008

Newsweek says this is being done to suppress the BLACK CONSTITUENCY votes. Yet on the Tom Hartman show, it was called in from around the country from COAST TO COAST THAT JOHN MCCAIN AND THE RNC WERE SENDING THESE ABSENTEE BALLOTS SPECIFICALLY TO BARACK OBAM SUPPORTERS, NOT JUST AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTERS.

It seems the RNC/JOHN MCCAIN ARE TRYING TO PURGE THE VOTE. TRYING BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY TO STEAL THIS ELECTION YET AGAIN.

MY QUESTION IS WHY IS THE CORPORATE MEDIA NOT REPORTING ON THIS AT ALL. THESE ARE UGLY, DIRTY TRICKS.

Posted by: need4trth | September 12, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"I am disappointed in my country but only because citizens have become like brainless cattle believing the most ignorant hype ever created while watching a daily diet of Gossip Girl, Sex in the City, and Desperate Housewives yet screaming about 'Family Values' or 'Morals'."

Right on. Both political parties' strategies of divide and conquer are working well meanwhile americans spend more time with lame reality shows than actually thinking about what matters.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"American can't continue to go alone. We need Europe and the rest of the world, as much as we need our own states.

Posted by: Anonymous"

I disagree. I think we need to do what is in our best interests and I think that includes taking a more "protectionist" stance in world affairs.

Europe "likes us" when we're their lapdogs like in Serbia and that's not what we need.
Everyone likes to talk about war crimes such as Iraq how about how the allies look the other way when it is in their interest such as how the US and NATO accelerated the end of the Serbian war by bombing civilian targets like water plants and power stations.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

American can't continue to go alone. We need Europe and the rest of the world, as much as we need our own states.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Laura: you really think Europeans care about the average American? NOT. Wouldn't matter if we had Jesus or Buddha as president, they'd still find something to complain about. Screw Europe -let them eat cake! As for the British -they like socialism so let them have Obama. But I do agree with you on one point: I am disappointed in my country but only because citizens have become like brainless cattle believing the most ignorant hype ever created while watching a daily diet of Gossip Girl, Sex in the City, and Desperate Housewives yet screaming about 'Family Values' or 'Morals'. Yeah right. Hypocrites. Obama? Change my behind! Look at Illinois -it's self-destructing -people are losing their jobs-and where's Obama? Busy pulling the wool over your eyes instead of taking care of business!!!!

Cryos: Speaking words of wisdom, let it be....

Posted by: Moi | September 12, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"Can you seriously say our economy is better off after the republican's 8 years?"

The economy actually was pretty good up until this year. It's amazing how the economy always gets worse during an election year and magically recovers on November 5th.

For this election year it was really amazing that before the signs of the economic problems were evident everyone in the media was screaming recession which can have an effect of making the economy worse by making everyone afraid to spend.

Both democrats and republicans have contribued their fair share to our economic problems. During the "good economy" bubble of the 90s which crashed around 2000 we set ourselves up for future failure by being too confident and setting up infrastructure for outsourcing. We didn't protect ourselves in trade agreements which were passed with bipartisan support so both parties are to blame.

Under republicans we have paid a lot to the Iraq war, but under democrats we would have paid at least the same amount to the Kyoto protocol. The biggest problem is the neo-cons and neo-libs which are in the mainstream in both parties.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Short term changes have very little to do with the overall damage the Republicans have done to the american economy.

Can you seriously say our economy is better off after the republican's 8 years?

What is the republican plan to fix this mess? Seems more like they are getting ready for the "End of Days".

Posted by: Franky | September 12, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm full of typos today. Also Franky sorry to be condescending on a couple of the economic issues its not my intention.

I just don't like generic copy and paste quotes against a political party based on a lack of understanding of underlying economic principles.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"The supply and demand model is a simplistic model taught in school.

Its not the real model the world works on.'

LMAO. Wow you need some college education bad particularly in macroeconomics. You just shot yourself in the foot. Here is an example maybe you can understand. What primary reason do you think PS3s rose to over $3000 on ebay when they first came out?

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I can't help but mention another contradiction in your post Franky. I realize your post is just copied and pasted word for word from a site similar to the following. Lol at the first google hit on a random sentence bringing back the word for word quote.

http://www.populistamerica.com/the_mother_of_all_messes


Here is another macroeconomics 101 conspiracy theory.

"The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role."

"The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world."

The dollar being low is bad from some respects but actually very good from a trade deficit standpoint so those 2 viewpoints contradict each other. A low dollar helps with the trade deficit as it discourages imports and encourages exports. If you look at statistics our trade deficit has dropped considerably with China the last year.

China has been under fire for artificially keeping its dollar value low for this very same reason. A low dollar has ups and downs its not one sided.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The supply and demand model is a simplistic model taught in school.

Its not the real model the world works on.

But, too put it in simple terms. Yes, Republicans have caused the supply of oil to be much more overpriced than the demand would dictate, since of the increased risk and cost in acquiring said product.

Gold prices tend to go up when people feel less secure...and the Republicans have made america less secure.

Posted by: Franky | September 12, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Franky your whole post is pretty amusing but I especially like this one.

"The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%."

Just so you know there are these tiny factors like huge growth in China and India responsible for higher resource comsumption. There is something in economics called supply and demand that has an effect on commodity prices. Or is supply and demand a republican conspiracy too? ;)

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a follower, and Obama is a leader.

McCain's whole life was about doing what he was told to do. Just like he is doing now.

Obama's whole life has been about taking actions in to his own hands. Just like he is doing now.

Posted by: Sally | September 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

No one in an online forum will hurt my feelings lol. Sorry to disappoint.

It's just funny seeing these "neutral" statements who bash one side more than the other or the disingenous "democrats for McCain" or "republications for Obama."

Some are legitimate as yours may be but many of them are amusing. I have a lot of friends with completly different politics than me but that doesn't matter. Much of politics is philosophical perspectives and interpretation of the same set of facts.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Enough is Enough!

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state, which they have no problem using against fellow citizens!

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!

Posted by: Franky | September 12, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hurt your feelings Cryos. We'll all be friends again come the holiday season. Just hang in there buddy.

Posted by: tom9 | September 12, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm just trying to determine whether we have another spoiled child running for president. It didn't work out so well last time.

Posted by: iwanttoknow | September 12, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Cryos,
"with the republicans having the advantage in sleaze and deceit." My opinion is they are the worse of two bad chioces.
I'm convinced your voting for the party I dislike the most.

Posted by: tom9 | September 12, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

And if Obama weren't black, would we know his name. It cuts both ways, iwanttoknow.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Now we are getting somewhere.
We both think that John got to fly jets because his father, the admiral, let him and that we would likely not even know his name had he not.


Posted by: iwanttoknow | September 12, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

iwanttoknow - Fine, maybe McCain got into the Navy because of his name. Just keep in mind he was afforded that opportunity to die for his country.

What did Obama's preferencial treatment get him? He didn't sacrifice anything or risk anything. He got a Harvard education.

McCain sacrificed for his country. On the other hand, the country sacrificed for Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

lol

Posted by: boruch yona loriner | September 12, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

There's a video out in which this black guy claims to be the father of Bristol Palin's unborn child. For non-true believers who are in this campaign for the entertainment value alone, you might be interested...
http://www.blackbottom.com/watch.php?v=WdBJd9b9i8A

from the point of view of political exploitation, since Bristol won't give birth until after the election, it's kind of useless and it reminds me a little of the Larry Sinclair fiasco.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Spew garbage?

I would be happy to find out how Obama got into Harvard. Let's dig into it, but let's also dig into how McCain got to fly jets....

I'm guessing that it has to do with his daddy being admiral. Let's find out.


Posted by: iwanttoknow | September 12, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Tom9 you were almost convincing but to act like you aren't going to vote for either you should tone down your attacks against republicans a little bit. The bias in your statements makes obvious your endorsement of Obama.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"We need a strong and true american hero to lead us in this war to victory. A Mavrick with wonderful record and a VP mavrick with tremendous executive experience and most popular governer in the country."
This is a war? Like WW2? After seven years and four thousand dead soldiers, this country, with all it's power can't find a scumbag hiding in a cave? Occupying Iraq is a war? This is another Vietnam, there will be no victory. Even if we catch Bin Ladin, another nut will pop up, so the victory comes in protecting ourselves and staying out of other countries affairs.

Sarah Palin is the most popular governer in the country with tremendous executive experience? Whaaa? C'mon. She's way worse than either of the democrats, who aren't exactly top notch. And with McCain verging on senility, and in poor health, she is the answer we need?
This election is ridiculous, both parties are unprepared, with the republicans having the advantage in sleaze and deceit.
I refuse to vote for either of them.

Posted by: tom9 | September 12, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Durbin is up for reelection this year and I pray to God that he is ousted (along with the Jr. Senator except he has another two years). Durbin is despicable. He has denigrated the people of the US and has radical and very very liberal ideas. Since I am a resident and LEGAL voter in Illinois I sincerely hope he goes out the door. Doesn't any one realize Illinois is run by the Chicago political machine? We don't need Chicago running out country!

As far as McCain being out of touch are you commenting on anyone over 70? I take great offense in that remark as I am over 70 and there are many in the US that are. The phrase 'out of touch' and 'too old' are worn out and it is time to think of another line.

Did any of you know that McCain can not bend his elbows? That is a big hindrance in using a computer. There are many many people residing in the US that cannot use a computer much less a blackberry.

As far as any other country preferring Obama I think you should start realizing as to why they want Obama. Could it be his radical views, in-experience(he has less than Palin) and weaknesses?
After all he thinks we should all be one big country then he can be the Messiah to control the world!

Posted by: Annie | September 12, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

What's worse - not using a computer or thinking the US has 57 states?

You libs are running scared. You will regret not picking Hillary.

Posted by: Bart | September 12, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

dick
durbin
before
he
dicks
you.

Posted by: Simon Jester | September 12, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The 90s were also largely responsible for setting up the infrastructure for outsourcing to China and India since americans were fooled into believing we'd have a "good economy" forever and we could stop doing petty jobs and get more engaged in the service industries.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that we "accidently" transferred a lot of military technology to China under Clinton with things like suspicious satellite launches.

Just for kicks posting some of the quotes. Maybe liberals should keep these things in mind when they talk about outsourcing.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/05/22/china.money/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/missile/keystories.htm

"Chung told federal investigators that $35,000 of the money he donated came from Liu Chaoying and, in turn, China's military intelligence.

"Specifically, Chung testified under oath to the U.S. House Committee investigating the issue in May 1999 that he was introduced to Chinese Gen. Ji Shengde, then the head of Chinese military intelligence, by Liu Chaoying. Chung said that Ji told him: "We like your president very much. We would like to see him reelect [sic]. I will give you 300,000 U.S. dollars. You can give it to the president and the Democrat Party."

"Huang became a key fund-raiser within the DNC in 1995. While there, he raised $3.4 million for the party. Nearly half had to be returned when questions arose regarding their source during later investigations by Congress."
"According to U.S. Secret Service logs, Huang visited the White House 78 times while working as a DNC fund-raiser.[16] James Riady visited the White House 20 times (including 6 personal visits to President Clinton)."

"Taiwan-born Maria Hsia (pronounced "Shyä"), a business associate of John Huang and James Riady since 1988, allegedly facilitated $100,000 in illegal Democratic campaign contributions through her efforts at Hsi Lai Temple, a Chinese Buddhist temple in California. Hsia was eventually convicted by a jury in March 2000.[21]"
"The Democratic National Committee eventually returned the money donated by the Temple's monks and nuns. "

"I did not know that it was a fund-raiser. But I knew it was a political event, and I knew there were finance people that were going to be present, and so that alone should have told me, 'This is inappropriate and this is a mistake; don't do this.' And I take responsibility for that. It was a mistake — Vice President Al Gore on NBC TV's Today show, Jan. 24, 1997.[24]"


Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants us to look more like Europe. Wow, that's exciting. No growth, high unemployment and muslim extremeists everywhere. It does fit well with his platform.

Good luck America if this guy wins.

Posted by: Fred | September 12, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Alaska is right next door to Russia.
Sarah Palin knows Russia.
Sarah Palin knows that we have to go to war with Russia before Jesus will return.
It is written in the Bible that a savior will come save the world after a nuclear war with Russia.
Praise our Lord and His infinite knowledge.
God bless Sarah Palin for her great noble sacrifice.

Posted by: JesusLovesARepublican | September 12, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Wedensday November 5, 2008:

The votes are counted and McCain wins by 5%. We turn on the news and see - (1) Brokaw creating a story for a stolen election (2) CNN furthering the notion that the US is racist and that's why Obama didn't win, (3) Pelosi promising to do everyting in her power to not vote on anything of substance and (4) Hillary laughing to herself because her party kicked her to the curb to ride the affirmative action ticket.

Mark my words.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

This is truly fun to read. Seems like every four years we go through the same thing. Each party calling the other names and making some really wild statements. The media watches for the slightest slip of the lip so they can beat up the candidtae over and over again. When are we all going to realize politicians are plumb full of crap and will say or do anything to get elected or re-elected.

Posted by: David | September 12, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Just like your kinds dragging America in "to the mud for the sake of a lipstick. Narrow minded can't see past your right wing nose"

head so far up your liberal ass you can't see what the f*ck is happening to western civilization.

go slam your head on the floor and wail to your pigf*cking "god" allah, muzz-boy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin understands if we are going to bring Jesus back then a nuclear war with Russia and armageddon will help make it happen during your lifetime.
Praise our Lord Jesus.

Posted by: JesusLovesARepublican | September 12, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I cant believe John McCAin last night admitted he was out of touch? What a gaff machine., watch clip. http://www.veeppeek.com

Watch all of last nights debate forum
http://www.watchdebate.com

Posted by: pastor123 | September 12, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"When was the last time you got a job from a "poor" person? The "wealthy" hire people and make huge investments. I don't blame them for seeking tax shelters and shipping jobs overseas. You'll see more of that under a socialst Obama administration."

Yep. Something else people seem to forget is we're in a global economy. Democrats have fooled a lot of people into the "corporations versus the people" 1950s argument rather than the reality of american corporation versus foreign competition. For such "progressive" thinkers they need to advance their policies about 50 years.

I have no doubts that both parties take a lot of foreign money but judging how much China liked democrats and Clinton I would assert they have a lot of foreign special interests in mind when they want to tax american businesses and wealthy americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

LeahS:

I was using "wiped out" (quoting from the post) and know the difference between gneral and appropriation bills.

Posted by: JakeD | September 12, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Durbin and this other turd are the ones "out of touch." Two left-wingers who will lie and do anything for their inexperienced, racist associate leader Barack. Durbin does the same thing McCain does- A US SENATOR. McCain reaches out to the other party. When the hell does Durbin do that? NEVER. Or this other congressional turd? Your affirmative action candidate and Joe" Hillary would be a better choice" Biden are done. ANd 2 years of Democrat control has shown very little. Far WORSE ratings than President Bush. You are going down you hypocrites. Keep your affirmative action candidate and stick it. By the way, his city of Chicago is imploding- needing the National Guard to control the "hoods" of Chicago. Obama sure as hell will not mention that. Please, you politically-correct cowards, you are done. Your PC leader is done. McCain/Palin ALL THE WAY.

Posted by: Bill | September 12, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Iwanttoknow - Why did Obama get admitted to Ivy league schools? Affirmative action ... maybe?

If you're going to spew garbage, at least do it out of both sides of your mouth.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

To rose_la:

Good work on research but you didn't make an educated decision. Please tell me how the wealthy have benefited from our tax and spending policies over the last few decades? The top 1% increasingly carry a larger share of the tax burden. The numbers can't be disputed.

Now Obama wants to take more from them and give it to those who don't even pay taxes. Makes no sense at all.

When was the last time you got a job from a "poor" person? The "wealthy" hire people and make huge investments. I don't blame them for seeking tax shelters and shipping jobs overseas. You'll see more of that under a socialst Obama administration.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
??6. Palin supported it until most of the funding was "wiped out" by Congress -- however, she could have funded the bridge herself, but KILLED it -- no "lie" from her.??

Uh, the funding didn't get wiped out...she actually kept the funding, just decided not to build the bridge she promised in her campaign.

Posted by: LeahS | September 12, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

How is it that a guy who was 5th from the bottom of his class got to fly jets... That is a VERY competitive field. Everyone in the navy wants to fly jets. Why John?
Perhaps we should ask his daddy, the admiral?

We don't need another over-privileged hot head in the white house......

I don't think we would even know his name if his father had not let him fly jets.

Posted by: Iwanttoknow | September 12, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

From all that I have seen and heard from McCain, I am convinced that not only have his wartime and POW experiences not made him qualified to be President and Commander-in-Chief -- these experiences have made him completely UNqualified. He has demonstrated that he does not have the judgement, perspective or temperament.

Posted by: rose_la | September 12, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that nobody is asking about Gov.Palen's "Per Diem" she is collecting from the state while she stays in her own house? and also all the plane tickets of her children and her husband trip? they said it was business trip and allowed by the state, but for me it's still kinda cheap. I admire for those Governors who gives back percentage of their salary back to the state.

Posted by: NO NAME | September 12, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the rest already looked desperate. This strategy of rolling out the angry liberal horde just makes them look more desperate. To Obama, change is just a slogan.

Posted by: Ken | September 12, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

John Edwards is having lunch with Dick Durbin's wife as we speak. Billy Clinton is not happy he wasn't invited.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama's judgement is also questionable.

radical pastor WRIGHT, FARRAKHAN of Islam, radical muslim from saudi arabia KHALID-AL-MANSOUR who funded obama Harvard education, NAFTA lie, IRAQ troops flip flop, wire tapping flipflop, Ignored troops in Germany during the hyped visit, Liar and palagrist BIDEN selection

huge endless list of questions are there about obama. Most basic one nobody knows answer to. Who really is obama?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"So where am I coming from? I have a Master's Degree in Information Technology and have to deal with the tantrums the supposedly computer literate generation throw when their technology goes belly-up."

LOL. I'm in IT also I feel your pain.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

mark walbrink, I agree - I read both the Republican and the Democratic platforms as part of a process of making an educated and informed choice. I was staggered by the paucity of the approach to such critical issues as health care in the Republican platform. In the paragraph on social security was a proposal on private investments. Allow that to happen and that's the end of social security. I would like to know, if they say we can't fund social security, how did they find a trillion dollars for the war? No one is saying that the way forward will be easy, but the Democrats are offering real solutions, not platitudes and perks for the wealthy. The middle class got fooled into voting against its own self-interest in 2000 and 2004. In every way, domestically and internationally, we are in worse shape than we were 8 years ago.

Posted by: rose_la | September 12, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"I'll vote against a candidate simply because Europe wants him/her elected. Europe is washed up, stale economy, socialist and spineless ... kind of like Obama.

Use your head."

in this case you are not using your head, if only BUSH could have respect other people's opinion America could have saved lots of lives, but you sound like a narrow minded individual America is not self sufficient everyone would want to be that but not in this world so remember other peoples lives also matter

Posted by: Sahr | September 12, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The left is so desperate that they now claim McCain isn't qualified to be president because he doesn't use a computer. Unreal.

Now they claim that BHO invented the term "change". Change what? Redistribute income, tear up free trade agreements, weaken our national security, negotiate with Iran, bomb Pakistan, give US citizen rights to terrorists, create massive new entitlement programs like universal healthcare, and on an on.

Is that the "change" we need or want?

Posted by: Steve | September 12, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Europe is washed up, stale economy, socialist and spineless"

Yep Europe is having major issues so I laugh when they criticize the US. Who is the first country they come to for help when they're unable to solve their own problems? Lol.

The bastion of socialism pointed to by liberals is falling apart and becoming more conservative as their "progressive" policies fail one after another. France with immigration, cost of labor and competitiveness, Denmark and immigration, etc.

If not for Ireland the european countries would have lost their sovereignty with the new EU constitution where every other countries bypassed their voters.

Europe likes the US when we're their tool doing things like
1. Fighting in Serbia to secure Eastern Europe so they can shift manufacturing to a lower cost of labor.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I hate to defend The National Enquirer, which have always considered to be a tabloid rag.

Turns out howver when no "respectable" media would run the John Edward's and his girlfriend story the National Enquirer did.

Of course at first they were attacked as a rag and the story branded "untrue" and sleazy. Turned out however that the Enquirer had the goods - the photos and the evidence which it gathered with old fashioned "investigative reporting".

Faced with the inevitable, Edwards admitted the affair.

Turns out the Enquirer was the first to find out about prego-Bristol. It contacted Sarah P. and told her (a) they knew her daughter was pregnant (b) they knew that mom had changed her daughter's school and shipped her 25 miles away to hide the pregnance and (c) they intented to print the story.

The campaign beat them to it and announced the pregnancy.

The Enquirer is now reporting that both Bristol and Track were known stoners and drug users- with Bristol considered a bit promiscuous by her friends and Track a genuine loser, in trouble with the law for a notorious act of vandalism. His choice - join the Army Reserve or go to jail.

Meanwhile, the father of Bristol's baby, Levi, was not particularly happy when it was announced was going to marry Bristol. He hadn't really thought about it.

Apparently he was "dragged off to Minnesota" (according to his friends) without much choice in the matter and was soon standing there shaking hands with John McCain like some hero.

Sounds like family values to me!!

Can you imagine if this was an Obama family story??

Do we have to depend on the National Enquirer to bring us the background the candidates don't want us to know about??

Is this sort of background below the dignity of a real newspaper? Pretty sad.

Posted by: toritto | September 12, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

We have to make a decision based on security all the other stuff like economy, gas price etc are all irrelivant. Fundamental Islamic Terrorists are trying to attack and kill innocent people.

We need a strong and true american hero to lead us in this war to victory. A Mavrick with wonderful record and a VP mavrick with tremendous executive experience and most popular governer in the country.

Obama is a liar and untrustworthy. We cannot believe his "just words". He has done nothing!.. nothing!
0 experience and 0 accomplishments.
Obama's character is questionable
Obama's associations are shady and dark.
His wife is an anti-american

We are voting McCain for good reasons

Posted by: tom | September 12, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Mike D:

1. Statistically speaking, EVERY President has a good chance of not making it through term 1

2. Palin said she does not presume to know God's will in that regard, citing none other than Abe Lincoln who said the same exact thing.

3. I hope she does.

4. You don't think Obama's increase in business taxes will be passed on to consumers?

5. He's too "rich" to care about that. right?

6. Palin supported it until most of the funding was "wiped out" by Congress -- however, she could have funded the bridge herself, but KILLED it -- no "lie" from her.

7. If you consider the average UNBORN or JUST BORN American, I would say that McCain-Palin will help them quite a bit ; )

8. Palin does believe humans are contributing to gloabal warming -- she did not "lie" about that -- what she doesn't believe is that humans are the Al Gore "Doom & Gloom" sole cause.

9. Me too.

Posted by: JakeD | September 12, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I'll vote against a candidate simply because Europe wants him/her elected. Europe is washed up, stale economy, socialist and spineless ... kind of like Obama.

Use your head.

Posted by: Norm | September 12, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I still can't believe the trash that is being spread about Sarah, Barrac, and John. Joe seems to have fallen off the radar. I'm saddened that Obama has stooped to old style good- ol'-boy politics. It kind of demonstrates that He really is not that much of a change agent after all. Look what happened to Hillary when she and Bill when negative. I guess you really can not teach an old dog new tricks. I would have much rather have seen Obama take the High Road and denounce the garbage and push on about his policies. I really thought he was different because of the way he handled his campaign during the primary race. It was poetic justice to see honest, take the high road work topple the Clinton Machine.

Really, it is OK to disagree without belittling your opponent. I think it was a big mistake for Barrac to go after Sarah. Let the VPs hack it out. Like it or not, both candidates are change agents and have bucked the status quo. Barrac's choice for VP was a huge mistake. Why on earth would you pick someone who is an icon for the typical old style politics of the Democratic machine.

Durbin and Emanuel are junk-yard-dogs gone rabid. More evidence that the Obama campaign is in trouble. If you want to know the truth, most computer users are computer illiterate, all they know how to do is surf the internet, text message, rip off music, play games, download movies, and email. When you really get down to it, those of you who are only into the social aspect of computer technology are the ones who are out of touch with the world. From what I have observed, when the internet goes down or your cell phone batteries die-out you go into meltdown. Don't believe me? Try staying away from your computer, TV, and cell phone for a week. Toss the MP3 players, CD players and Radios too.

Still not convinced? Read what a majority of the bloggers post. Yep, I have to say you’re a real credit to technology, the ability to lead, and a shining example of how well the educational system is doing. Are you even aware of the free Spelling and Grammar utilities that are available? Try using them once-in-awhile.

So where am I coming from? I have a Master's Degree in Information Technology and have to deal with the tantrums the supposedly computer literate generation throw when their technology goes belly-up.

Besides, everyone knows that behind a successful man, there is a strong woman that will pick up the pieces when things go bad. You go John! YOU GO GIRL! Show the world what a real change agent can do!!!!

Dana Pintago

Posted by: Dana Pintago | September 12, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Good! Jimmy Carter change is the kind of change we need. Had we heeded his warning we would not be in the energy crisis we see today.

Posted by: drewnet | September 12, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama's church goers says "being black in america" gives them freedom for shouting anti-american rants.

I couldn't believe obama sat there with his wife and kids for 20 years.

Posted by: mitchell | September 12, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"1. Statistically speaking McCain has a good chance of not making it through term"

Well his mother is still alive so maybe you should think about that. Nice scare tactic though.

"2. Palin believes going to war in Iraq was God's will (it was really the political will of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld)"

Another distortion and smear that has been debunked. Read the actual quote.

"7. I have not heard one good thing that McCain / Palin will do to improve the lives of the average american"

You need to turn up your hearing aid.

"8 Palin doesnt believe humans are contributing to gloabal warming (And lied about that too)"

A lot of intelligent people are questioning AGW. It's science is dubious and unlike other scientific models, the predictions aren't happening, and its only defense is unscientific means like "the debate is over, flat earth society and denier."

It's sad how many people have subscribed to extreme environmentalism as a mainstream platform. It's real goals are to globally redistribute income and strengthen world government.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Just remember folks, don't vote for someone who graduated 5th from the bottom of his class, vote for someone who is on top of his class like someone who is a Magna Cum Laude. Because an intelligent person always makes a better judgment.

Posted by: PAULY | September 12, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have never won based on the issues that matters to the American People. The Republicans political Philosophy can never work in its entirety 8yrs of BUSHISM just proved that point. Trying to hyjack both the Senate and the House as a one party governance. Dictatorship!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sahr | September 12, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember the Jimmy Carter days? That's the change we will get with Obama....

Posted by: Randy K. | September 12, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I am a 48 y/o and I do not remember such a hard choice before. I have to say that I do not believe that any of these bozo's should be in line for the top job in the world. The only thing I do see is that with McCain we will just be getting the same thing we have for the last 8 years(or worse) and with Obama, well there we will have change for sure. Just don't know if it is going to be better or not.
I think that I will have to go with the Dem's and hope that it gets better.

Posted by: carpenterr | September 12, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"But you can't take a TelePromTer with you everywhere you go..."

Why not. Obama can go back on his promise and hide in the corner with his tail between his leg rather than have real debates with McCain.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Palin is nothing, just a tool the Republicans and John McCain are using to win the White House, she is been spoon fed like a baby that is what the republicans are good at, ring a bell? BUSH, Cheney used him like a kid, McCain with that temper America get ready for WWIII.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin Scare me to death - Here's just a few reasons why:

1. Statistically speaking McCain has a good chance of not making it through term 1

2. Palin believes going to war in Iraq was God's will (it was really the political will of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld)

3. She could use this same ideaology in any number of other global conflicts

4. McCain tax cuts will benefit corporate America and the top 1% of wage earners... over he last 8 years we have seen that this DOESNT WORK. There is no trickle down to the middle class and the average american has been fleeced by corporate america (Think: Mortgage meltdown, executive pay increase, Lehman Bros, Fannie/Freddie etc)

5. McCain cant send an email, doesnt use the internet and doesnt know a thing about the economy

6. Palin lied about the bridge to nowhere - she supported it until it was already wiped out by congress

7. I have not heard one good thing that McCain / Palin will do to improve the lives of the average american

8 Palin doesnt believe humans are contributing to gloabal warming (And lied about that too)

9 She is anti abortion even in the case of rape and Incest

I could keep going but have to get back to work

Posted by: Mike D | September 12, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT NO MATTER WHO WINS THE GENERAL ELECTION WE, ALL OF US, ARE SCREWED.

ONE ONE SIDE WE HAVE SENATOR OBAMA WITH NO REAL MANAGERIAL EXPERIENCE, NO FOREIGN AFFAIRS EXPERIENCE (AS WTNESSED THAT HE HAS/NEEDS 200+ FOREIGN ADVISERS) AND NO ECONOMIC SMARTS WHATSOEVER. ADD TO THAT HIS CLOSE ASSOCIATIONS WITH PASTOR WRIGHT, TONY REZKO AND RADICAL ACTIVISTS BILL AYERS AND BERNADINE DOHRN, FORMERLY OF THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND. I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT HIS FREUDIAN SLIP WHEN HE SAID THAT HE DID NOT WANT PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT HIS MUSLIM FATH. JOE BIDEN, HIS VP PICK OLD SCHOOL WHO HAS GOOD FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE BUT NOTHING ELSE. ADD THIS ALL UP AND THEN THROW IN THE FACT THAT WE WILL ALL BE TAXED TO DEATH AND YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME REALIZATION THAT I DID...WE ARE SCREWED.

ON THE OTHER SIDE WE HAVE SENATOR McCAIN, A WAR HERO WITH SOME FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE BUT KNOWS ABSOULTY NOTHING ABOUT ECONOMICS. HE HAS A SHORT FUSE AND IS KNOWN FOR HIS TEMPER AND HARD HEADENESS. ADD TO THAT HE IS 72 YEARS OLD AND MAY NOT LIVE OUT A 4 YEAR TERM OF OFFICE. GOVERNOR PALIN, HIS VP PICK IS A POLITICAL NOVICE WITH BASICALLY NO REAL EXPERENCE AT ALL. HER CLAIM(S) TO FAME IS THAT SHE SOLD THE GOVENORS PLANE, DRIVES HERSELF TO WORK AND DECIDED TO GIVE BITH TO A CHILD WITH DOWNS SYNDROME. THIS WOMAN, IF THE REPUBLICANS WIN THE WHITEHOUSE, HAS ABSOLUTY NO QUALIFICATIONS TO ASSUME THE PRESENDENCY IF SENATOR McCAIN IS, FOR WHATEVER REASON UNABLE TO PERFORM HIS PRESIDENTIAL DUTIES...AGAIN, WE ARE SCREWED.

GOD HELP US ALL.

AND JOE BIDEN WHO

Posted by: BOO-HOO | September 12, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"What has obama done so far for America or for Americans?

Other than giving tax payers money to radical pastor wright and convicted rezko."

What has Mccain done beside going to war, he's been in that senate for long as I can remember, talking about having a solution to the war in Iraq, why not come forth before innocent husbands, wives, sons and daughters were sent to die just to make a point. Talking about selfish, Remember John McCain.

Posted by: Sahr | September 12, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Clay:

Gov. Palin did not have a teleprompter last night, right?

Posted by: JakeD | September 12, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Rose:

I am not a bigot -- I would vote for a pro-life Muslim and/or black -- I emphasize his middle name because not everyone knows it yet. Did you know that Gov. Palin's middle name is LOUISE?

Posted by: JakeD | September 12, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I used to hate Sarah Palin. Now I just feel sorry for her. She seems like someone in way over her head. She's not ready to be Vice President. She's charming and quirky and a goof ball. But you can't take a TelePromTer with you everywhere you go...and John McCain is outrageously out of control in his desire to get into the White House, forgoing all of the things he is spouting off against in the process. If he was such a Maverick, the Republicans wouldn't be helping him out so much. And, by the way, is it a good idea to vote for someone who proudly touts being out of control? Vote for me! I'm liable to do just about anything? And I'm bringing a Pitbull with me!

Palin is nuts if she thinks she will enjoy being around John McCain for four or eight years either. The guy is a loon. He talks about "victory" in the "war" in Iraq and how much respect he has for General Petraeus. Maybe he should listen to his general, who told the BBC "there would be no victory in Iraq."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7610405.stm

Posted by: Clay | September 12, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans should put Gov Palin, at the top of the tick. McCain don’t know how much he has, he can’t operate a computer, he can’t remember is lines, he said the economy was in good condition. Palin is the best choice for President, not McCain. A no-brainer

Posted by: Hugh | September 12, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Durbin is the guy who wants to give citizenship to illegals. Shame on him..
He lacks moral credibility.

Posted by: Thomas | September 12, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

anyone concerned about the tone of the campaignneeds to compare the platform of mccain with the platform of bush 2000, available on the respective websites. the conservative mantra prevails. social security is one issue that drives me nuts. a program with resonable cost and amazing benefits is portrayed as unworkable and bankrupt, while every time the banks and real estate interests go on a binge, the fund is robbed to bail these constituents out. now, the socalled stimulus payments have doubtless been funded from the social security fund. i wrote both my senators and nancy pelosi and aske the source of funding for the stimulus checks, and none addressed that issue, instead dancing aroundwthat question. [pelosi did not reply]. there are some issues on the democratic platform that i personally do not support, but at least it is generally forward thinking and progressive, with the best interests of the voters and the country at its center. as far as the campaign tactics go, mccain himself was the target of false rove tactics[remember the illegitimate black child?, a classic.] hopefully, these issues will come out in the debates.

Posted by: mark walbrink | September 12, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

What has obama done so far for America or for Americans?

Other than giving tax payers money to radical pastor wright and convicted rezko.

Posted by: joseph | September 12, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

McCain reform Campaign finance and Obama flip flopped on that reform for his personal interest rather than the America's interest.

Posted by: jon | September 12, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

anyone concerned about the tone of the campaignneeds to compare the platform of mccain with the platform of bush 2000, available on the respective websites. the conservative mantra prevails. social security is one issue that drives me nuts. a program with resonable cost and amazing benefits is portrayed as unworkable and bankrupt, while every time the banks and real estate interests go on a binge, the fund is robbed to bail these constituents out. now, the socalled stimulus payments have doubtless been funded from the social security fund. i wrote both my senators and nancy pelosi and aske the source of funding for the stimulus checks, and none addressed that issue, instead dancing aroundwthat question. [pelosi did not reply]. there are some issues on the democratic platform that i personally do not support, but at least it is generally forward thinking and progressive, with the best interests of the voters and the country at its center. as far as the campaign tactics go, mccain himself was the target of false rove tactics[remember the illegitimate black child?, a classic.] hopefully, these issues will come out in the debates.

Posted by: wally | September 12, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse


Out of touch , out of his mind , lost in space. This could be the first time we
america's elect an insane president, knowing very well , he could lead us
further into the toilet. McCain / Palin
untrusted .

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"who gives a sh!t about what eurotrash think? eurpoe is turing into a third world toilet filled with muslim vermin anyway, all in the interest oif multiculti diversity. serves the ungrateful unwashed liberal bastards right - f*ck 'em!"

Just like your kinds dragging America in to the mud for the sake of a lipstick. Narrow minded can't see past your right wing nose

Posted by: sahr | September 12, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I see that the attacks on McCain as being a Bush clone haven't worked, nor the attacks on Palin as an extremist, so now the Dems are trying out the "he's out of touch" idea. Sorry, just cause you can text message and carry around a Blackberry doesn't mean you understand the problems of modern America. If it did, Bill Gates (common man Billionaire) would be President.

Posted by: Normalman | September 12, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"In high school, if you remember, some jock types loved to insult anyone not Them with gusto if not much imagination."

Yeah just like Obama flipping off Hillary and the pig and fish comments. Say what you want but a lot of people know what he really meant and that was not coincidental.

Obama is just mad because he has a superstar ego and Palin stole his spotlight. His campaign is imploding and he will just get more and more desperate when continuing to repeat the same empty, warm, fuzzy ideas over and over doesn't win everyone over.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

JakeD, if there is some point to your emphasis on Obama's middle name of Hussein, I wonder what it is -- could it be that you are a bigot, or are you just ignorant? Your reply, no doubt, will prove my point. I will laughingly leave it there.

Posted by: Rose | September 12, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Sahr:

Please read the latest thread about McCain defending small-town mayors while admitting U.S. Senators are divorced from reality.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/12/obama_camp_presses_mccain_on_d.html

Posted by: JakeD | September 12, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

JakeD, if there is some point to your emphasis on Obama's middle name of Hussein, I wonder what it is -- could it be that you are a bigot, or are you just ignorant? Your reply, no doubt, will prove my point. I will laughingly leave it there.

Posted by: Rose | September 12, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Hubbub:

Many addicts are very adept at hiding their problem -- maybe you didn't know that -- Cindy McCain now admits that her biggest mistake was hiding this from him.

Posted by: JakeD | September 12, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans are at it again, running on nothing, bent on degrading the efforts of ordinary hard working citizens and their communities. We all have seen what they are capable of, just plain old dirty tricks that do not serve the interest of the American people.

Posted by: Sahr | September 12, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

who gives a sh!t about what eurotrash think? eurpoe is turing into a third world toilet filled with muslim vermin anyway, all in the interest oif multiculti diversity. serves the ungrateful unwashed liberal bastards right - f*ck 'em!

Posted by: Mav | September 12, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Mad Mac is in touch with a weird high school immaturity. In high school, if you remember, some jock types loved to insult anyone not Them with gusto if not much imagination. Two requirements: find a "shorty" soul mate that sneers with the best of the Mean Girls; find the jock parties to grope other's guy's Mean Girls. Study? Forget it, grades are for the little guy. He's "popular", he's the captain of the football team, the rules do not apply to him, and he gets what he gets because of someone else, preferable for free through the Mean Girl's parents. As a dependent, he is in touch with his high school self like a boy that still needs someone else to keep track of his family houses. Just give him his allowance, enough to buy his new soul mate a lawyer, and he's happy. We need John Bush to graduate from high school and become an adult. No more coddled little "juniors" trying to live up to papa. Junior, get a therapist instead of destroying the world. We live in it too.

Posted by: PreAmerikkkan | September 12, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

McCain will run things from a 20th century point of view. Too many things have moved beyond him, and he hasn't kept up. He's playing catch-up with Obama's ideas right now, but play-acting won't solve our problems. Obama has the thoughtfulness and resources to take us into the new challenges we will face. McCain is stuck in the mud in that POW camp he was in.

Posted by: Rose | September 12, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

MA and Chris:

You do know that Gov. Palin is going to be interviewed again tonight about domestic issues, right? Three interviews in two weeks is not enough for you? How long did it take Barack HUSSEIN Obama to sit down with Bill O'Reilly?

Posted by: JakeD | September 12, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

So out of touch that he could not detect his own wife's drug addiction. How can we expect him to be remotely empathetic to anyone else?

Posted by: Hubbub | September 12, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

who is "We"? talking about, that is why we left Europe to form our own country the United states of America, Dumb, Dumb, Europeans made up America, just like all other nationalities around the globe, Learn your history dumb fool

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Gloria, forget the parties, vote on the issues: where do you stand on health insurance, social security, climate change, education, remedies for the economy, the war in Iraq – whatever you do, don’t be fooled into voting against your own self-interest. This is not a personality contest. The future of our country is at stake.

Posted by: Rose | September 12, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

McCain is hiding Palin because he is a sexist. He doesn't respect her as an equal. He let Phil Gramm talk to the press to say we are all whiners. McCain will talk to the press. If Palin was a man, you'd see interviews. McCain is a sexist. He picked Palin in a very patronizing way. He'll put a woman on the ticket as long as she stays in her place. What a pig.

Posted by: Chris | September 12, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama should do what is best for this country and drop out of the race for President allowing Hillary to run starting today. Quit now Obama!!

Posted by: sheila | September 12, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I dislike false rumors as much as anyone, but can a member of the press please confirm why Sara Palin is not at least 7 months pregnant in this public Governors photo taken with President Bush in February 2008? Her baby was supposedly born on April 18, 2008.

http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/2008Meeting.htm from Feb, 2008 (click text link "View Larger Photo")

This photo is from March 14th 2008, where she clearly is not 7 months pregnant:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Finally, she is also on the cover of December issue of Vogue which was taken December 12, 2007. She should have been 4-5 months preganant. Clearly shes not.

Reportedly, her water broke the day before or hours before she gave birth in Texas and flew 8 hour to Alaska in labor? Would a doctor/the airline allow this?

Why did she supposedly announce she was pregnant after 7 months?

There are claims she didn't look pregnant from public video interviews about the annoucement.

Why is there no evidence supporting this?

Something isn't adding up?

Posted by: Dana | September 12, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse


Well i thought so ... There are no anwsers
McCain did not reform a thing while being
in the senate. Demo's will win in a land
slide in NOV . GOP a group of frauds , from
HELL !

Posted by: John | September 12, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

This election is definetely about the Lesser of two evils.
If there was someone like Bill Clinton or Ronald Raygun in there neither of these guys would have had a chance but, this is what we got this time. Obama's better. Plain and obvious. John will die in office and we can't give this country to Palin. She's stupid and pretty and we just can't take that right now.

Posted by: Cassius | September 12, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"McCain chose Palin because he was desperate to shake up his campaign when his top choice, Lieberman got vetoed by the Christian right."

Thanks for bringing up how McCain ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATES BIPARTISANSHIP by working with people like Liebermann while Obama just thinks repeating change and bipartisanship somehow makes it real. Actions speak louder than words and all Obama's actions have shown is that he is a two faced, dishonest politician like the majority from either party.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

WW3 with Russia is coming. God save us if Palin should become VP or President someday. This show how Palin recklessness she will be.

"Called for Georgia and the Ukraine to be included in NATO, a treaty that requires the U.S. to defend them militarily. She also said Russia's attack into Georgia last month was "unprovoked." Asked to clarify that she'd support going to war over Georgia, she said: "Perhaps so."

Posted by: Evan | September 12, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Hillary is not going to agree to be Obama's VP after the crap he has pulled now because she is going to run in 2012 and will not want to be connected to his failed bid for President. Hillary gave him enough rope to hang himself and he has.

Posted by: jodi | September 12, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"Posssibly the reason Sen. McCain cannot use a computer is because he was flat on his back for many years with brokewn arms. It may have been during that time that Obama learned to use the computer."

Nice post. Yay for little kids with 0 respect for anything that can post in a blog. It sounds like you need a good azz whupping.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I see why you dems are so afraid. The tide has shifted and your guy has dried up as everyone said he would. The problem I have with Obamas change message is, Not one of you one this blog can tell me what he'll change. And as for you Sue, If you think Europe gets it and we don't, your right. That's why we left there and started our own country. As for you, why don't you hall your ass back to Europe and take your Muslim cnadidate with you.

Posted by: chance | September 12, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Do you citizens really believe that any one off the street is capable of running the country? The good ole boy we elected in 2000 is going to go down as one of the worst presidents in history. Now we have "hockey mom" with relatively little experience who is going to play back up to a 72 year old man. Crazy and extremely reckless. McCain has let his ambition get in front of whats best for the USA. Thats a shame he was a good man.

Posted by: JBrooks | September 12, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

“…it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. … All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
- Hermann Goering, founder of the Gestapo and one of the main architects of Nazi Germany.
See anything familiar?
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Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Chris writes:

"Why is he hiding Palin and protecting her from the press?"

Because he doesn't want to take the chance of her actually expressing some of her true beliefs. A brief glimpse of her interview with Gibson shows she can do little more than ape th elines McCain gave her.

McCain chose Palin because he was desperate to shake up his campaign when his top choice, Lieberman got vetoed by the Christian right.

She's a political prop, little more. And McCain doesn't trust her on policy issues and further than he can throw her.

Meanwhile McCain promises change, but considers talking on a cell phone "state of the art".

Posted by: MA | September 12, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"The old geezer still just doesn't get it. He mouths "change" but doesn't seem to realize that change could mean that our perilous situation could be made even worse by the wrong kind of change and the wrong people. His description of what change would bring is empty. Hence voting for change through him would be like signing a blank check."

Ditto for Obama. Obama has not ONCE risked any political capital to do anything bipartisan. He votes party line 97% of the time. McCain gets labeled the "same as Bush" for voting 88.3% party line so what does that make Obama?

I'm sorry but I don't think socialism is the "change" we need since by his actions that's all he appears to be offering. Maybe his type of change appeals to the guilt ridden and losers without a future who want a handout but not hardworking people.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

McCain is not "completely" out of touch. The bump in his polling over Obama has finally given him the lead in State-by-State ELECTORAL COLLEGE numbers too:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Posted by: JakeD | September 12, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"Vice President for Dummies!." How to run the United States of America in 80 days or Less. By "Karl Rove"

Posted by: Paul NY | September 12, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Brandon;
I agree the polling results at votenic are unbeleivable. With less than 500 votes, the Obama-Biden ticket has 75% of the votes, while the combined percent of the votes for all the remaining candidates have only 45% of the votes. Did you actually consider the fact that 75% and 45% exceeds the possible 100% of the possible that votes could be cast? The website your sending people to is obviously a plant for someone with a Pro-Obama agenda, and no scientific methodology.

Posted by: Ed Weirdness | September 12, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

From a piece of excrement like Turban Durbin, this is a complement.

This pathetic stool sample of a Senator isn't fit to wipe my dog's arse let alone bring his foul stench into the Senate.

Posted by: L.E.S. | September 12, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I think we washout again,with Palin
Hillary would you consider the Republican
party, you can bring change and reform,
to my party,I'm for Mccain but don't dislike Obama,the Hate have turned me off
my husband and I,our feeling empty without
a party now!

Posted by: Gloria | September 12, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Let Palin speak to the press without a guardian."

The Obama campaign meets with media executives before interviews to negotiate terms, and he has the media on his side not waiting to trash him like they will with Palin so tht's pretty sad. So maybe you should apply that logic to your top of the ticket candidate.

Oh and what is your reason for Obama being too scared to debate McCain in any REAL debate format?

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Posssibly the reason Sen. McCain cannot use a computer is because he was flat on his back for many years with brokewn arms. It may have been during that time that Obama learned to use the computer.

Posted by: Bob V | September 12, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It's unbelievalbe that someone running for president does not know how to use a computer. My 5yr old can use a computer. My died grandfather that refused to upgrade to a color tv and hated technology still knew how to use a computer in 1985. How does McCain keep up with time, thru advisors that have special interest, thru bias major media outlets. Come people even Bush knows how to use a PC. McCain does want "CHANGE", He doesnt even want to learn about the most Revolutionary discovery of the 21st century.

PLEASE, IN NOV. PLEASE DONT BE IGNORANT

Posted by: Nobody | September 12, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"When conservatives call liberals elitists I take as a complement. What they are really saying is conservatives are low class, ignorant, uncultured, backward thinking sheep."

Lol thank you. It's this type of condescending attitute shared by Obama that will lose him the election. Liberals make it obvious what they think of anyone from "flyover country" or for that matter anyone that doesn't subscribe to the naive idealist liberal eutopia. I guess only the enlightened liberals from NYC, LA and DC matter.

I have news for you. All of your "progressive" thinking isn't new at all. It's a repackaging of the same socialism/communism that has failed time and time again throughout history. Since liberals are so "smart and educated" you'd think they could figure this out.

Posted by: Cryos | September 12, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Mr Rove Must have left out the Part about the Bush Doctrine in his New Book "Vice President for Dummies!." How to run the United States of America in 80 days or Less. or possibly shee didnt get to that Part yet.

Posted by: Paul NY | September 12, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

First Palin cracks under pressure, even with two weeks coaching. Flip flops on what she said just two weeks ago. Changes her story about how she meant it. And wasn't that emarassing for her! Then last night McCain says he wants to run a "clean" capaign and the first thing I see this morning on TV is the same old attack crap about Obama raising taxes and being a celecrity. McCains lied again!
!!!!I hate liars!!!


That's no change. That's Bush\Rove\Cheney all over again. and again and agian and again.

Posted by: Marcus | September 12, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Please America, don't make the same mistake a third time! Have we not been hit in the head with the Republican bat enough? Can anyone out there really say that they want more of the same? I don't know about you, but I want things to go in a different direction. If this country doesn't do a complete u-turn we are going to end up in the ditch. Please America, vote Obama/Biden for the good of our nation.

Posted by: Obamaniac | September 12, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Ok,
We need to get our economy back on track stop spending trillions on a war built on lies. Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran??? no!! War isn't a joke!!
Just watch the following and realize what McCain stands for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSlAJ5hkAC4

God Bless

Posted by: Frank C | September 12, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse


Any anwsers ? What has McCain reformed other than his personal interest. While
holding a senate seat. ????

Posted by: John | September 12, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

McCain is such a sexist! Why is he hiding Palin and protecting her from the press? Stop treating her like your daughter and treat her like an equal! Let Palin speak to the press without a guardian. She's a grownup and doesn't need your protection.

Posted by: Chris | September 12, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Even Britain and Europe know who is the better candidate. The only one who don’t get it are the brainwashed right-wing puppets or small town folk who think that just because someone has a speech draw and likes to fish that somehow makes them the best candidate to run the government. Are we really this foolish? Does anyone not remember the last 8 years?

When conservatives call liberals elitists I take as a complement. What they are really saying is conservatives are low class, ignorant, uncultured, backward thinking sheep.

Posted by: sue | September 12, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'd hardly call "laudatory comments" from Dick Durbin and Rahm Emmanuel compelling, or comforting. Neither of these politicians are popular or respected outside their own insular little fiefdoms.

Posted by: Ed Weirdness | September 12, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

mccain probably does not know how to type, which will kill any enthusiasm for PCs. not that i am excusing him. but old men grew up expecting women to do that job.

he probably can't cook a lick either.

Posted by: abdul rahim | September 12, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Durbin? :) :) I can just laugh at this guy.
He does not have any moral credibility. He says what ever he wants as usual. Who cares!

Posted by: tim | September 12, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse


The libs have gone off the deep end now. Go on keep calling everyone Nazi's.. that is sure to win you votes.

Posted by: reason | September 12, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

For all the people who respond well to the "out of touch" offensive, wouldn't they also respond well to the choice of an "I'm one of you" VP candidate? Palin's hockey mom angle certainly frames her a someone with a common touch.

http://www.politicswithagrin.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Kristen | September 12, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I agree with all of you completely.

Republican party is a NAZI PARTY !

Did I say something that you do not know ?

Posted by: sakibov | September 12, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

The link to E.J. Dionne's Column was cut off in my EARTH TO OBAMA post:


E.J. Dionne - Tiptoeing thru the Mud - "Come on Barack - Swing it!!"

The link:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091102827.html


Posted by: OldBoh | September 12, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Dick Turbin is a commie

Posted by: Joe Mac | September 12, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse


McCain the reformer ? While being in the
senate. What has he reformed. NOTHING ...

Looking to be commander in chief , with that resume. Yikes !

Posted by: John | September 12, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

You saw that republican convention, it looked like a gathering of the Nazi party. Signs wit "Country first" and all the speeches in the effect of "You are either with us or you are not real americans or patriots" Here is a quote that applies from the Nazi's that applies to the republicans is:
“…it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. … All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
- Hermann Goering, founder of the Gestapo and one of the main architects of Nazi Germany.
See anything familiar?
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Durbin compared our troops to Nazis.

Durbin is a moron.

Posted by: reason | September 12, 2008 11:05 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Durbin is one of the big spending, tax a lot liberals that the McCain/Palin ticket will put out of business. Looks like the Pigs know the pokers a coming and they are already squealing.

Posted by: Bill S - Everett WA | September 12, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The old geezer still just doesn't get it. He mouths "change" but doesn't seem to realize that change could mean that our perilous situation could be made even worse by the wrong kind of change and the wrong people. His description of what change would bring is empty. Hence voting for change through him would be like signing a blank check.

Posted by: Venerable white guy | September 12, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

And this 2008 election poll says it all.
You won't believe these results!

http://www.votenic.com

Instant Results!

Posted by: Brandon | September 12, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Kate,

The "out of touch" framing has actually been very successful and polls have shown it as resonating with anywhere from 60%-70% of voters. Also, the fact that it's true helps a bit. That's why the Obama campaign keeps pushing it.

Posted by: Justin from Chicago | September 12, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse


Durbin compared our troops to Nazis.

Durbin is a moron.

Posted by: reason | September 12, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Since when war fanatics are more in touch with life?
Wars are failed problem solvers but an excuse to unleash the beast inside all of us, that beast named greed. The rest is just pretense and sheer martyrdom of civilians.

Posted by: wildflower | September 12, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

John McCain is a sell-out and exposed he is just a typical Republican politician by picking Palin. He picked her to appease his base, poach Hillary votes and stoke a class divide. Palin wasn’t the best or most qualified, it’s because he knew she would be a draw to small town America whom they are duping (Sara Palin ain’t like you, folks).

How is this being a "maverick"? How is it ‘Country First”? How is this “I rather win a war than loose an election”? I’ll say it again, John McCain is a sell-out. Obama said it pretty accurately too - Lipstick on a pig, is still a pig.

The most important metric for picking a VP is they are ready to step in from day one. His judgment is reckless and he gambled at our expense. The mere fact Palin is being educated on foreign policy and is avoiding the press indicates she wasn’t prepared on day one. She is running for the second highest office, but can’t answer questions from the press or public? This doesn’t alarm anyone?

I lost all my respect for John McCain. He's not the hero today he was 35 years ago. McCain is nothing without Palin.

What does it say about a campaign that has to "mimic" what and whom Obama is, not to mention hijack Obamas core message of Change from day one just to poach votes? Is that all they view Obama as, a "product" a "formula", a “personality”? It makes McCain look weak and more importantly, the American people stupid if they fall for it.

Now all these puppets are willing to just get behind her without even knowing anything about her and try to convince the American public she is prepared to be VP or President? Not even uncertain objectiveness, caution, pause or question just because she has an "R" in front of her name? How can anyone make a honest, clear determination reasonably in less than 60 days?

Bravo America! We look like complete idiots once again while the world watches. I am truly embarrassed of my country. I guess all isn’t lost, at least many will have Palin’s eye glass frames while our country crumbles economically. We are such tools.

British Prime Minister Backs Obama
http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2008/09/brown-backs-oba.html


World wants Obama
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=world


Posted by: Laura | September 12, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that the Obama camp keeps pushing this out of touch attack. It hasn't really resonated with voters, at all. If you keep doing the same thing over and over, you keep getting the same results, and with this line of attack, the results don't amount to much.

Posted by: Kate | September 12, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

EARTH TO BARACK!

PALIN and the Big Daily Lies are distractions --

Don't fall for the Rove-Palin Bait!

Stick with the Issues: and Hammer them - No more Mr Nice-Guy - how much do you care?? (about us?)

PLS. OBAMA CAMPAIGN: Read these and make these guys your coaches --

Remember George Lakoff's "Don't think of an Elephant?" Here’s his update:

http://www.truthout.org/article/dont-think-a-maverick

Our Greatest Story Teller since Mark Twain: (Garrison Keillor)
"George Bush with Big Hair"
http://www.salon.com/opinion/keillor/2008/09/10/palin/

E.J. Dionne - Tiptoeing thru the Mud - "Come on Barack - Swing it!!"
The link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091102
827.html

Posted by: OldBoh | September 12, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Personally after November I would love to see Obama as the senior senator from Illinois!! Remember that Durbin is the one that called our troops Nazis.

Posted by: PAP | September 12, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

McCain is a phoney.

Posted by: Larry Johnson | September 12, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Dig away democrats...your grave is getting deeper and deeper. You guys are getting a little hysterical and when you dump Biden and beg Hillary to come back on we will laugh and laugh...now who is out of touch???

Posted by: Patsy Bruce | September 12, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Dick Durban of Illinios needs to keep a lid on it. If word gets out how over taxed the people of Illinios and Chicago are because of Obama's pals. It could really tip the election. The post about Stroger, et. al. by Mike H. is right on. I bet a lot of people from Chicago and Illinois have been visiting http://www.bop-o-rama.com. Team Obama seems not to be rallying his troops. I know what kind of "Change" they are talking about and I would like to keep it in my pocket thank you!

Posted by: Keep them in Chicago! | September 12, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse


Sen. McCain has been out of touch for some
time. This is the best the GOP has to offer. A senator that should have retired
long ago. While a senator has not reformed
nothing.Comments on issues without any fact's to stand by. Further more picks a running mate that has no values, mis leads,
and is very full of herself. This pair of
frauds are scary.

Posted by: John | September 12, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a phoney.

Posted by: laurie | September 12, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Over 70 retired generals and admirals have endorsed Obama/Biden '08

Hope and Change backed by strength.

Democrats and Obamacans's courting all Republican and Independent Voters!

Our World!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY

Obamacan's - “The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry.” William F. Buckley, Jr. quote

The real change team for the last 19 months
Change we can believe in.

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Cooday | September 12, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who watches McCain lately can see he is losing it, I am really starting to question whether or not he is mentally capable anymore to be President. At this point Palin has become the focus of his campaign, after he caved in to the far-right of the Republican Party. He is being shunted aside now. He is not the man he was 10 years ago. I once liked and respected him, he himself would despise what he has become today.

Posted by: Michael | September 12, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Obama has to fight back but he needs to tread lightly. If he is too aggressive, he will be considered 'part of the problem.' If he doesn't push back hard enough, he will be considered too soft to lead the nation. I support him wholeheartedly, but I do not envy him!

Posted by: authorofpoetry | September 12, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

McCain admitted to an affair, .Now sarah palin is accused of having an Affair Wow they are really mavericks.

Posted by: pastor123 | September 12, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Quite right, too. The Obama team has got the start playing the game. Here's rule three.

3. All hands on deck. Where are the surrogates? I don’t hear Gore, Dean, the Clintons, various female governors and senators, Dodd, Richardson, etc., making news. Where is Hillary Clinton with this statement: “Frankly, I am shocked that Sarah Palin hasn’t given a press conference. The McCain/Palin ticket seems to be hiding behind gender to avoid answer legit questions about her qualifications to be president. This is not what my campaign was about.” These people should be out there every day, on message. If you have an off message thought, keep it to yourself.

http://nahnopenotquite.com/2008/09/11/ground-rules-for-obama-and-democrats/

Posted by: ES | September 12, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I couldnt agree more with McCain being out of touch., I think Palin should be the Nominee, not McCain. Palin is at least in touch. McCain cannot realate to the middle or working class. Here is Proof.

McCain says that he cares more about the rich http;//www.mccanes.com

Palin is accused of having an affair with someone who is middle class. http://www.hotpres.com

Sarah Palins Daughter is having a kid with a self proclaimed redneck. http://www.veeppeek.com

Posted by: pastor123 | September 12, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I am a resident of Illinois and I am concerned about the hypocrisy of Barack Obama, Rahn Emmanuel and Dick Durbin.

The Chicago Sun Times published an article today that Obama has stated he will not encourage his mentor, State Senate President Emil Jones, to bring up an ethics bill that Governor Blagojevich vetoed. If the Illinois Senate fails to act in the next fifteen days then the measure will not become law.

All of the major media outlets in Chicago have stated this is a necessary piece of legislation.

But then Obama rails against corruption in Washington but has looked the other way in his home state.

He admits he was part of the inner circle that helped elect Rod Blagojevich.

He endorsed Todd Stroger for Cook County Board President who believes in hiring his friends and relatives and rewarding them with 6 figure salaries and to pay for them raised the sales tax in Cook County to 10 1/2%.

He acknowledges Emil Jones as a mentor the same Emil Jones who demanded a 6% pay raise on top of a cost of living raise and who eventually placed his 30 year old son into his State Senate seat.

Another mentor is State Senator Rickey Hendon who passed out 25 earmarks to his supportors for educational reform. The Chicago Tribune denounced these earmarks and pointed out one was for students to identify their birthdate and then the individual who provide a horoscope that would tell them what classes to take!

Senator Hendon and also, Senator Obama, defended questionable earmarks they provided in Illinois by stating "we only identify the programs, it is not up to us to make sure the money is spent properly"?

If this is the type of "Change" Obama is going to bring to Washington we do not need it!

Posted by: Mike H. | September 12, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

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