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Empty Seats Greet McCain at Fla. Rally

By Robert Barnes
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Republican presidential nominee John McCain held his first rally without running mate Sarah Palin today, and let's just say there were seats available.

The McCain "Road to Victory" rally was originally scheduled to be a pancake breakfast, but the campaign said there was such an outpouring of enthusiasm the event was shifted to the 15,000-seat Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena.

That might not have been the best idea: There were almost no supporters in any of the cavernous arena's 24 upper-level seating sections, and only eight of the 21 sections downstairs held fans. Only four of those were filled, though some supporters crowded around the stage on the arena floor.

McCain and wife Cindy made a point of thanking supporters for coming out on "a Monday morning'' for the 9 a.m. rally.

McCain said he had a soft spot in his heart for Jacksonville, because his first wife and his children awaited his return from a Vietnamese POW camp at a nearby naval base. "The years I was away in prison, the people of Jacksonville and Orange Park took care of my wife and children,'' McCain said. "My children had about 50,000 parents while I was gone.''

McCain noted the sharper criticism of him that has been coming from Democratic rival Barack Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware. He said it didn't bother him.

"Friends, Senator Obama's been saying some pretty nasty things about me and Gov. Palin,'' McCain said. "That's OK, he can attack if he wants. All the insults in the world aren't going to bring change to Washington and they're not going to change Senator Obama's record.''

McCain has also come up with a new formulation that allows him to resume his war against congressional earmarks and keep Palin in the mix.

He said last week that she had not asked for earmarks as governor, something that is not true. In fact, she hired a lobbyist and asked for $256 million in projects her first year in office, and in the current fiscal year, her second, is seeking $197 million.

McCain is now characterizing it this way: "Every year she's been in office, Gov. Palin has cut those requests."

Palin, by the way, will resume campaigning with McCain tomorrow.

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Supporters of McCain/Palin are either ignorant or delusional. They would rather elect a 72 year old angry elderly man with cancer in remission (not cured) and his totally unprepared right-wing nut job running mate, then a guy who graduated at the top of his class from Harvard Law school. Why on earth is it that Republicans insist on electing people with no experience or intelligence ? I would rather elect a President who is smarter than me than someone who can barely put a full sentence together and thinks "bring 'em on" is the equivalent of diplomacy.

Posted by: Someone who can read | September 17, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I read in the Commercial Appeal (Memphis TN paper) of last week (I think Sept. 10) that it was reported by the Washington Post that Gov. Sarah Palin collected thousands of dollars as Travel expenses when as a matter of fact, she never left her house. I want to know if this is really true and if so, is this the woman America wants to put in the White House?

Posted by: Foye A. | September 17, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The pancake breakfast was a flop. But at least is wasn't a flip-flop though, right Barry?

Posted by: David | September 17, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Cons3rvative, hypocrites like you stink like cheap perfume on a dungpile.

Tell me: When is one of those frozen embryos used in in-vitro fertilization NOT a human being? Answer: when it's flushed down the drain after Mommy's done having her designer baby and doesn't want any more.

When is an IVF fetus NOT a human being? Answer: when it's killed IN UTERO by a PHYSICIAN performing what is euphemistically called "selective reduction"--that is, making sure Mommy doesn't have to carry ALL the little embryos created from all those fertilized eggs (i.e., human beings) squirted into her uterus and doomed to die the death of statistics. "Selective reduction" is another name for abortion.

So, answer me that, Cons3rvative: who speaks for all those embryos not lucky enough to be called "snowflake babies" and those little 3-week embryos who get ripped out of the IVF mommy's womb? Does mommy and her doctor get called MURDERERS for that?

Or aren't those little bits of conception human life?

You hypocrites stink like death with frosting.

Posted by: VCorday | September 16, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Dearest cons3rvative,

You ask, "Come on folks, who doesn't believe a baby starts it's life and starts growing from conception?"

I don't.
The Catholic Church doesn't.
The Jewish faith doesn't.
Science doesn't.

The Greatest Commandment is this: "you shall love your God with all your heart and with all your might. The second is like unto it, "you shall love your neighbor as yourself." On these hang all the laws and the prophets.
Please stop spewing such rank hatred against your fellow man and try to understand the love of God that you so tirelessly profess to know.
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's.
i.e. Don't bring God into politics and don't bring your politics into God.
Get over your blithering self-righteousness and know-it-all attitude and humble yourself. You may then begin to truly understand God.

Posted by: cynical Jim | September 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The thing that gets me very excited about Obama is his extremely detailed plan for renewable energy. If you have not listened to T. Boone Pickens, you should.

In ten years America can reduce our dependence on foreign oil immensely, much more than we could with drilling in the US, but here's where it gets really exciting. America once led the industrial revolution, then we lead with the information age. Renewable energy is poised to be the next big thing America leads with.

If we stopped the war in Iraq and spend even a few months of the 10 billion per month it costs to be in Iraq, we could easily subsidize and jump start energy development.

Two things will happen, the first is the creation of an entire new industry with jobs in every city. Good jobs with good pay. The money that was once going to the Middle East decreases and creates wealth here at home ... but not wealth that goes into Exxon's pockets, wealth that goes to hundreds of thousands of middle-class Americans.

The next thing that happens is that oil prices actually go down because of the large decrease in consumption. The middle east tries to react to the competition by lowering prices and restricting availability .. but it's useless because our energy sources continue to grow.

You have to understand that oil owns McCain and Palin also has a vested interest in oil. The only way oil will let go of their stranglehold on the US is if they can make profits in another way, either by being awarded the oil contracts here, or the nuclear reactor contracts here, or both .... unless their power is stripped from them by someone like Obama and the American people.

There is no reason we cannot do this other than our own fears that we cannot do this. Obama really has asked us to believe, and even if you don't believe in Obama, seriously consider what T. Boone Pickens plan entails and seriously contemplate what you know is true .. that McCain can't go down that path even if he wanted to.

Posted by: dave | September 16, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin has the campaign of Change...changing the truth.
Why do Christian Republicans flock to this corrupt campaign?
Here are the commandments that McCain has broken:
+You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor - ie. Don't LIE
+You shall not commit adultery - Ahem, he cheated on his first wife!
+You shall not murder - He helped kill a hundred thousand innocent Iraqis and four thousand of our brothers and sisters for a LIE perpetuated by Bush and gang...
Would Christ vote for McCain/Palin?
(If your religions are so willing to be lead by and support this proven LIAR...how are we supposed to believe that your religions would even know who Christ is in the second coming?)

Posted by: Juviah | September 16, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Remember 4 years ago when the Republican party openly mocked John Kerry for his purple hearts? Remember how they downplayed his time served in Vietnam? Remember how they'd constantly mock how he was just a rich senator who married an heiress and is out of touch with real Americans? Remember how they called him a flip-flopper? Well, wait until you see the guy who they selected as their presidential nominee!

Posted by: GH | September 16, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

It's a funny thing how Palin glosses over her sales tax hike in Alaska when she talks about lowering property taxes and raising oil company windfall profit taxes. She says "we already had a sales tax", but forgets to mention as Mayor of Wasilla she increased the municipal sales tax 16-fold more than she lowered property taxes. And then left the town $20 Million in debt.

Posted by: carolab58 | September 16, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Where are Palin's tax returns for the past 10 years?

Where are McCain and Palin's full medical records?

We the People are entitled to full disclosure!

Obama and Biden have provided us with their tax returns and medical records, without putting any type of restrictions on their scrutiny.

Why is Palin stonewalling the investigators in the "TrooperGate" scandal? A subpoena for testimony is binding to all U.S. citizens.

Finally, when will the McCain/Palin lies end?

The bridge to nowhere project she supported and that is still in the works, plus all the earmarks she has taken from the Federal Government and still takes for Alaska, and the nonsense about them both being anti-lobbyist, when the McCain/Palin campaign is run and managed by the Washington elite of lobbyists!

Truth in Politics = Facts, not spin

Truth in News = Facts, nothing else

Truth in November = Obama/Biden

Posted by: TruthinPolitics | September 16, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

My post will probably be erased because I am not a liberal like the Washington Post, Newsweek and CBS, but here goes.

Rick Warren asked the candidates AT WHAT POINT DOES A BABY GET HUMAN RIGHTS IN YOUR VIEW?

Obama answered
"WELL, I THINK THAT WHETHER YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A THEOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE OR A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE, ANSWERING THAT QUESTION WITH SPECIFICITY, YOU KNOW, IS ABOVE MY PAY GRADE."

Mccain answered
"AT THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION."

Come on folks, who doesn't believe a baby starts it's life and starts growing from conception? Do you think its just a bunch of goo without a purpose waiting around until the 18 week point to be killed? It doesnt stop growing because the parents were irresponsible. It doesnt stop growing because it came at an inconvienient time in someones life. It's life stops because someone decided to kill it and it is legal, cheap and a quick fix to someone. Do these people know what a 12 week or 18 week baby looks like? I think if everyone who was thinking about abortion were forced to see what the baby looks like at that developmental stage, we would have far less abortions.
I challenge anyone with an opposing viewpoint to just lookup a 12 week or 18 week 22 week baby's development. you can go here http://www.hyscience.com/photos/abortion_22_weeks01.jpg

It maybe easier for some to look the other way when it's inconvenient, but it is still murder. 40 million of them since it was legalized.

I want a president that will answer the abortion question plainly. I want a president who is on the side of life !!!
I'm voting for Mccain and Palin, my concience will not let me vote for Obama.

Posted by: cons3rvative | September 15, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Why is it ok for Palin and her family to now state they are above the law and ignore the subpoenas which have been filed? I think it is quite presumptuous to think she can already begin ignoreing the law. She is not VP yet. I guess Governors have the ability to ignore court ordered actions if they think it is not in their best interest?This is sickening because the rest of us could never simply ignore a subpoena without going to jail. Corruption and scandal right from the start.

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

One of the main keys to solving our economic woes is to embrace alternative energy. If you took the 10 billion per month and even slightly subsidized alternative energy development, innovation and deployment .. with say just a few months of the cost of the war ... we would become World leaders in this technology. This would lead to many jobs. As much as 30% of the US would have good paying jobs in alternative energy by 10 years. All the profits currently going to the middle east would be redirected to home and our wealth would skyrocket. Obama understand this. So does Exxon by the way, which is why they will fight to the death for drill-baby-drill. They don't want to let go of trillions of dollars. They are enjoying life. Are you?

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Laughing at the Dems, you are a moron like your idiotic leader McShame and Palin!

If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."

Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.

If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.

Posted by: Trin | September 15, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Didn't know about the Logan Act, but it was a fascinating history lesson. Turns out that the most recent indictment under the act was in the early 1800's. Another factoid: Jesse Jackson, who like Obama "happens to be black", was also accused of violating the provisions of the Logan Act. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: joel_irby | September 15, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a diversion to distract us from what has actually be going on these past eight years. Those of you who are even considering her, consider this:

If you would have asked her six months ago if she would be nominated for the position of VP of the US, she would have laughed at you. How ready can she possibly be?

Now the GOP are continually grooming her so that she seems ready enough to you. She has five kids - one just headed off to Iraq (how distracting is that?, one is pregnant (how distracting is that?), the same one is making wedding plans (oh my, how distracting is that!), another one is a young infant (how distracting is that), and that same infant has a disability (how distracting is that)?

She is being used to manipulate us, and it's time to wake up! Consider the following article:

This is a very interesting read concerning McCain's choice of Palin and Republican manipulation from an unusual and surprising religious perspective. I highly recommend checking it out:

http://www.newsflavor.com/Opinions/McCain-Hijacks-Christianity-Via-Palin.240929

Posted by: LaRae | September 15, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Scott is a one issue voter: The Logan Act!

LOL - too funny!

Posted by: Sally | September 15, 2008 5:54 PM
*************
No Sally- Hypocrisy-
Claiming McCain wanted a 100 year war, Obama went to Iraq and negotiated a DELAYED exit for our troops!
How can that Not bother you Sally?

And Corn Ethanol...

And the his opposition to the Infant Protection Act...

And Tony Rezko....

And Bill Ayres...


*********
National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Poor old mcworse without his moose hunting prop he cant even draw a decent crowd to listen to his pow blather.Maybe he should try talking about the issues for once, that might draw more folks than the (i was a pow and i deserve to be President more than Obama speech).

Posted by: sharon | September 15, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

There he goes again John POW McCain. He denigrates every other person who was a POW, using it for political purposes. The man never once mentioned sick vets or PSTD in his glorious acceptance speech. Why? Because he plain does NOT care. He keeps voting down veterans benefits and care. THIS is the man you want in office? This man will take your children. Can you say DRAFT??? YOUR CHILDREN, mourn them now.

Posted by: skip | September 15, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

WHY would America REWARD complete Republican FAILURE ?

Why ? Why would we ?

Never mind your spin ! The GOP IS to blame for this god-damned mess. Deregulation in the financial sectors have led to this mess. As for the 'housing crisis' - see Bush speech 5 years ago about how deregulation has led to great gains in home ownership... Yes- and now home foreclosure. Great Job!

Posted by: PulSamsara | September 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!


(psst- Obama lead in NY down to 5% from 21% in Early Aug.....Siena Poll today)

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Funny that the Democratic writers on this comment section are using facts and citing real sources, and the Republican writers are just calling names. Throwing around the word "socialist" and "communist" doesn't make it so. That stuff only works if you are talking only to your own folks. Democrats tend to inform themselves before giving opinions. For example, Obama is giving more tax cuts to everyone making under $111,000 than McCain is. Please, someone give me the facts that say this is not so. In the meantime, see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html or go to the tax policy center. (You see, this is called research--you have to think in order to do it. Ah! That's the problem)

Posted by: Steve | September 15, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Republican Denial:

How about we let Michael Bloomberg break that tie?

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: laughing at the dems | September 15, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Ya gotta love this. Alan Greenspan says the economy is tanking. McCain says its strong. Warren Buffett always said Bush's economic policies made no sense. Now boys and girls, whose word should we take, Greenspan and Buffett, or Bush and NewBush?

Posted by: Republican Denial | September 15, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Dear deport-the-libs

Well...gee...

Over the course of 2007, she fought to raise taxes on oil companies. Alaska gets about 85 percent of its state revenue from oil taxes, and as fuel prices skyrocketed, Palin complained the state wasn't getting its share of the windfall. She successfully pushed for a law that raised taxes on oil profits to 25 percent from 22.5, winning passage in the State Legislature in November 2007. The increase amounted to an estimated $1.6-billion annually more for the state. Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before.


We've already checked her claim that she sent "a large share of that revenue directly back to the people of Alaska."

On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted that would send $1,200 to every Alaskan who qualifies. That comes to about $741-million for state residents.

The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account.

Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means for every family an additional $22,400.00. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in. Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too.


How about that ... a genuine commie (and secessionist all in one!)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Jake is being paid per post by the republican party.

Right, JakeD?

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

SMALL TOWN MAYOR'S CREDENTIALS

Sarah Palin’s portrait as a fiscal conservative when she ran the city of Wasilla, Alaska, as its mayor from 1996 to 2002. However, the truth is during her 6 years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33 percent.

According to figures provided by the city of Wasilla, the operating budget for Wasilla went from $6,050,160 in fiscal year 1996 to $9,393,768 in 2002. That’s a 55 percent increase.

A huge increases in tax revenues during her administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though; borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library?

No! $1 million for a park, $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex...She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 years without any borrowing.

The fiscal year ending 1996 (when Palin took the reins), which showed the city’s long-term debt at $1.12 million, mostly for paving and sewer projects. The annual financial report for fiscal year ending June 30, 2002 — Palin’s last year in office — shows that the total long-term debt was $24.8 million. Long-term debt increased $23.7 million.

From $1.1 million to $23.7million – that is one large increase.

OOOHHH, THOSE REPUBLICAN ECONOMICS…GOLLY GEE


AND HOW HAVE THOSE PROJECTS WORKED OUT….hummmm

WASILLA, Alaska — The biggest project that Sarah Palin undertook as mayor of this small town was an indoor sports complex, where locals played hockey, soccer, and basketball, especially during the long, dark Alaskan winters.

The only catch was that the city began building roads and installing utilities for the project before it had unchallenged title to the land. The misstep led to years of litigation and at least $1.3 million in extra costs for a small municipality with a small budget. What was to be Ms. Palin’s legacy has turned into a financial mess that continues to plague Wasilla.

“It’s too bad that the city of Wasilla didn’t do their homework and secure the land before they began construction,” said Kathy Wells, a longtime activist here. “She was not your ceremonial mayor; she was in charge of running the city. So it was her job to make sure things were done correctly.”

Litigation resulting from the dispute over Ms. Palin’s sports-complex project is still in the courts, with the land’s former owner seeking hundreds of thousands of additional dollars from the city.

Palin likes to say “Good judgment can make the difference between avoiding a crisis and managing a catastrophe.”

Indeed.

A PEA IN THE POD…..PALIN

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

you lost about 60% of your readers with this

"McCain's horrifically unfair healthl insurance proposal"

what sane person wants to pay someone else's hospital bills. What is 'fair' is you pay your bills, ill pay mine.

I think your a clear candidate for European Citizenship. where everyone has everything so noone has anything.

pretty cool, right ? did it ever occur to lamebrains that the reason so many new, great things come from the USA is because people get to profit from their ideas directly ?

socialism is for the underacheiving and weak.

Posted by: deport_the_libs | September 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Jake D. -- you have earned your stripes. You are now third, only behind Kristol and Krauthammer, as biased buffoons.

Posted by: Monica Goodling | September 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

EARMARKS, gee, charlie, what's that?


ON SPENDING THAT HER BOSS JUST LOVES…NOT!!!

“Porky” Palin – hey, as it turns out, that pig does wear lipstick….wow!!!

After McCain said earlier this year that he won't "spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," Politico reports that as governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin requested millions of dollars to study the DNA of harbor seals, among other things (including research on the mating habits of crabs.)

Intelligent people everywhere are both amused and appalled that Palin, who claims she is conservative when it comes to earmarks, would request federal money for a project nearly identical to one that McCain has mocked. The earmark is yet another example of how McCain and Palin are "hypocrites and liars."

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/11/02449/9021

At the end of the clip, John McCain promises that he'll make the names of wasteful government spenders "famous."

Apparently, he kept his pledge: he picked one of them to be his veep.

“We’re not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana,” McCain has said during this year’s campaign, referring to a study he’s mocked for years of whether grizzlies need to keep their status as an endangered species.

Palin, meanwhile, has requested $3.2 million to be spent in part researching the “genetics of harbor seals,”

"Senator McCain said Governor Palin ‘learned that earmarks are bad’, but in 2008 alone Gov. Palin requested $256 million in earmarks for Alaska, and her state received more earmarks per person that any other state," said spokesman Tommy Vietor.

"The fact is that Governor Palin isn’t just good at getting pork projects, she’s one of the most successful pork barrel politicians in history."

OINK, OINK, BABE

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

DDS:

So, when it comes to feeding off the government trough, you admit she's not the biggest pig, just the most effective?

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Please, one you you Repubs, tell me this. I have no problem with McCain picking Palin, touting her conservative credentials and her resume as governor. But why go the extra mile and claim that her experience as MAYOR of a SMALL TOWN, governor of what is equivalent to a mid-size city, demonstrate that she is ready for the White House. That's just not plausible. In fact, it's laughable. (Karl Rove ridiculed Tim Kaine for the same thing, and Kaine dwarfs Palin in experience). Why can't the Repubs get a grip and not feel they have to bullsh_t us and themselves. It's like a bald man's combover. He know's he's bald, everyone knows he's bald, and he knows they know. Still, he tries to hide it. Why can't you just go with reasonable, plausible reasons that might encourage people to vote for Palin? Why do you have to use "tall tales" that everyone knows are tall tales?

Posted by: Reasonable Democrat | September 15, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Suckin' Sarah made McCain's list of "objectional earmarks" 3 times. Guess that's when he was watching her for "many years"?

This is hilarious: the wingnuts are gaga over a former sportscaster, small-town mayor and 1/2 term Governor of Alaska. Alaska! Home to the most corrupt Republicans in the country, which is saying something!

Alaska is the king of pork! Even with Caribou Barbie's "cut in pork" her requests in 2007 amounted to TEN TIMES the per-resident request of Sen. Obamas. TEN TIMES!!! He's far more anti-pork than she ever was. Shotgun Sarah's biggest problem in Alaska is how to give away tax money from the oil companies, AND what pork projects get funded.

But Scary Sarah is just a distraction: Republicans want to continue looting the federal treasury, cutting taxes on the rich and sticking it to poor people with McCain's horrifically unfair healthl insurance proposal.

Hey scott: if you really believe some of those discredited Republican ideas: try this one: "If you tax it you get less of it".

Maybe we should reinstate the death tax?

Posted by: DDS | September 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Actually, basementfrog, you have been as ignorant as this woman about anything related to governance or the Constitution or our country and its problems. I believe she is MUCH MORE qualified than Clinton was to run this country.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

poor poor libby, squeal like a pig (with or without lipstick)

it's over, the asinine condescension, the psuedo-intellectual & the profound insight all you anti-GOP's espouse is your undoing....again

list all the 'facts' you want. your fighting the wrong battle. you think your fighting Bush, which goes to show, just like a liberal, your operating on emotion. Your fighting perception, and the perception is the Obama-Biden ticket is just same old politicians with differant faces.

you can attempt to disect the agruments ad infinitum, you can do you best to discredit by ad hominem or 'fact check', but you have lost.

just as in the pre-civilised days, your weak and it shows. so do yourselves a favor, leave

just leave, sell your house, if you have one and move to a socialist country where you will be far happier. the fly over states will not miss you a bit. it was never your country. the academic and the intellectual illuminati squeaked in with 60's and have far overstayed their welcome. you liberals are all, in a word, defeatist

http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/why_obama_is_mum.htm

what lifted Obama from obscurity to national prominence in such a short time you may wonder ?

why not ask Percy Sutton, the most powerful civil right activist in New York

We know enough about Obama’s Columbia grades to know how far they fall below the Harvard norm, likely even below the affirmative action-adjusted black norm at Harvard.

As far back as 1988, however, Obama had serious pull. He would need it. As previously reported, Khalid al-Mansour, principal adviser to Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, lobbied friends like Manhattan Borough president Percy Sutton to intervene at Harvard on Obama’s behalf.

An orthodox Muslim, al-Mansour has not met the crackpot anti-Semitic theory he could not embrace. As for bin Talal, in October 2001, New York mayor Rudy Giuliani sent his $10 million relief check back un-cashed after the Saudi billionaire blamed 9/11 on America.

Posted by: laughing at the dems | September 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Casey -- "I actually work for a living and contribute to society." You should run for president or VP. John and Sarah can't even say that about themselves!

Posted by: Eskimo Joe | September 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

The only thing Mr. Clinton and Ms. Palin have in common is they are both trailor court trash.

Clinton like it or not was far more qualified that Palin... so give that a rest.

Not only is she dumb as nails, she's only been governor for 20 months.

No one in recent memory has been as ignorant as this woman about anything related to governance or the constitution or our country and its problems.

the comparison is very weak and an example of some short comings on your part.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I was actually amongst the 15,000 invisible people at the McBush rally!!!! This rally was scheduled for a while the location never changed but the people did.....they went from visible to invisible! LOL!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow!!! Look at all of those invisible people at the McBush rally...what was it? 15,000....what a nice crowd! LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I passed the press going into the Veterans Memorial Building this morning. I remarked to my friend that it would be interesting to see which ones were out and out liberal liars included in the bunch. Don't know which one you are, Robert Barnes, but the epithet fits. The location and venue of this visit changed at the last minute to accommodate the many people who wanted to meet and greet John McCain. Being a John McCain supporter, I actually work for a living and contribute to society. So, I had to take time off from work. What a rally! Lots and lots of enthusiasm for our next President! Too bad there were some sham reporters among the crowd.

Posted by: Casey | September 15, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sorry Todd..

Those links go nowhere...we get enough of that from politicians...please, doofus, try to do something meaningful or make a somewhat intelligent response

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

SorryTodd:

First of all, your link is dead. Second, if Bill Clinton can be President, so can Sarah Palin.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

ANONYMOUS IS DOING THE OPPOSITE OF HIS PARENTS WISHES WHAT A SHAME.THEY NAMED YOU THAT FOR A REASON YOU KNOW NOW RESPECT YOUR PARENTS WISH AND GET LOST.WHAT HAPPEN YOU WALKED HOME FROM SCHOOL SO BRIGHT YOUR DAD CALLED YOU SUN.

Posted by: FRANK | September 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Boy....just what America needs....Now we get to have a moral less, superhero hockey mom, fighting the liberals in Washington because Jesus told her she needed to be the Vice President! LMAO!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

ha! Palin admits affair.

http://www.fashion.ie/aggregator/gossip/104659-rumors-sarah-palin-scott-richter-affair

Posted by: SorryTodd | September 15, 2008 2:45 PM
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the mccain camp is trying to sue the national enquirer too, but they refuse to stop printing the story...citing that they have too many sources to back their claim up....i know that they are just the enquirer, but Edwards does not doubt them...LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SorryTodd | September 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I accept your apology.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

isn't Larry Sinclair a 27-year criminal record, with a specialty in crimes involving deceit...wow is this the best you republicans got? you wouldn't get embarassed so much if yo did not get your "facts" from Sean Hanity....what a joker...LOL!!!

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Who is Obama really? What kind of character is he really?

We know who McCain is, if anything by his dedication to our country.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

put it this way we all have to be true and honest both candidates r truly good ppl and they both in their heart want whats best for the country i just think mccain is better

Posted by: boruch yona loriner | September 15, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

nascar... thank, JakeD.

I don't live in a trailor so didn't know what you called it.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Barnes you are a partisan prick...that insists on spinning BS.

Why don't you print the last three years of Alaskan earmarks with the heading...Since Palin took office Alaskan earmarks have dropped an average of 40% a year"...or how about quoting her when she addressed the Alaskan legislators and told them to reduce their requests so as to wean Alaska from dependency of federal funds.

You sir are just another person of weak integrity flirting at being a journalists. But is failing miserably, and demonstrating that you are counting on your target audience to be ignorant enough to not check the facts themselves.

Posted by: dan | September 15, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Dear Yeow, now here is what we really want...what ever you call it.


Over the course of 2007, she fought to raise taxes on oil companies. Alaska gets about 85 percent of its state revenue from oil taxes, and as fuel prices skyrocketed, Palin complained the state wasn't getting its share of the windfall. She successfully pushed for a law that raised taxes on oil profits to 25 percent from 22.5, winning passage in the State Legislature in November 2007. The increase amounted to an estimated $1.6-billion annually more for the state. Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before.


We've already checked her claim that she sent "a large share of that revenue directly back to the people of Alaska."

On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted that would send $1,200 to every Alaskan who qualifies. That comes to about $741-million for state residents.

The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account.

Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means for every family an additional $22,400.00. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in. Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

the Mccain/Quaylin ticket is the saddest and funniest in presidential history...on the View he had to lie about the lie that he just lied about....too funny...NOTE TO MCCAIN: the truth is easier to remember!!!!

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow! McCain and James Dobson arrange for church groups to go to Houston to help restore yachts damaged by Hurricane Ike.

http://www.mccaindobsonreliefeffort.com

Posted by: John'sOnOurSide | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"JakeD.. please go to the NASDAC [sic] race, you ignoramous"

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 2:18 PM

LOL!!! The National Aviation Safety Data Analysis Center conducts "races" too?!

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Sulu please provide a link to back up your claim, either to a article or video.

thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It takes 2 seconds to see that Obama is a liar:

Larry Sinclair has a new post about Obama’s fake birth certificate and Obama’s lies. Sinclair has a copy of a friend’s certified birth certificate from Hawaii. Sinclair goes on to talk about the AFL-CIO using the fake birth certificate in their mailings. Here is the Larry Sinclair article:

“Thursday, July 31, 2008
Authentic Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth

A friend sent me a copy of their Certificate of Live Birth for Hawaii, where they were born. The image is a certified copy obtained in 1983. The only alterations I have done to this is to remove any personal identifying information.

Member’s of the AFL-CIO should be appalled that their Union Leadership has decided to use Union money to produce and distribute some 600,000 mailings that knowingly continue a fraud committed by Barack Obama and the Obama Campaign in claiming a forged “Birth Certificate” is authentic.

Barack Obama has lied about his Birth Certificate,
http://tinyurl.com/5nreto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBgkDSw-wQ0

Barack Obama has lied about the extent of his illegal drug use, about whether he has ever acquired drugs for others or sold drugs to others. Barack Obama has lied about his being a faithful husband and father.

Barack Obama has refused to even acknowledge the claims made by me concerning his smoking of crack cocaine, his engaging in sexual acts with me, and his involvement in an intimate and sexual relationship with Donald Young, or his involvement in the murder of Donald Young. But his campaign attorney Andres W Lopez responds by calling me a “headache for the Campaign.”

I believe the below comment that was posted on BHDC says it well:

“WINCHELLANDLANCY” said:

Senator Obama often says that his campaign is about the “politics of hope” and talks about how he isn’t running to tear anyone down. It would be nice if that were true but unfortunately, it’s not. For months, Senator Obama and his campaign have engaged in the very kind of political kneecapping and distortion that they now purport to detest. That’s not change you can believe in. That’s not change we want. That’s not change we will ever accept! And, now, his intellectually challenged minions have taken to the internet, infiltrating blogs like a deadly virus, threatening and bullying anyone who does not bow before “the chosen one.” Their attacks range from obscene language rantings on blogs, to posting e-mail addresses and personal information of bloggers, to threats of malicious property damage to vile death threats. If Obama and/or his groups of thugs think for one minute that courageous, proud Americans can or will be bullied and threatened into voting for him……………….then he will be getting a very big “November” surprise! P.U.M.A.

There is no greater proof of a message being true than how hard the messenger is attacked.

The harder a messenger is attacked; the truer and more dangerous the message.

The truth is always its own best defense; all else is hysterical panicked admission of the accusations as they stand.”

Read more from Larry Sinclair here:

http://larrysinclair0926.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I am watching the re-run of McBush's interview on the view last Friday and I am cracking my arse up! That Whoppie is way too funny.....McBush looked like a red faced fool! Answer the question, dag nabbit!! Answer the da$$ question!!! lol LMAO!!!! What an old fart!!!

Posted by: Old farts! | September 15, 2008 2:28 PM
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yeah this was soooo freaking funny!!!LOL

Elisabeth Hasselbeck could not save him because she knew that mccain has been LYING thoughout his campaign...notice how quiet she was.....hilarious!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:33 PM
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Yep, You are so right...Hasselbeck's arse was on MUTE!! LMAO....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I am watching the re-run of McBush's interview on the view last Friday and I am cracking my arse up! That Whoppie is way too funny.....McBush looked like a red faced fool! Answer the question, dag nabbit!! Answer the da$$ question!!! lol LMAO!!!! What an old fart!!!

Posted by: Old farts! | September 15, 2008 2:28 PM
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yeah this was soooo freaking funny!!!LOL

Elisabeth Hasselbeck could not save him because she knew that mccain has been LYING thoughout his campaign...notice how quiet she was.....hilarious!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Actually, you missed George Will, who was shot down simply because (1) he is one of the most-bias and worst journalist in America, and (2) is an idiot.

What an embarrassment for ABC. The other guests this week at the round table were shocked at how dumb his responses were and in disbelief at some of the positions they found him trying to take in order to justify Sarah ' the pork babe ' Palin.

This pig does wear lip stick as it turns out.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So just because someone earns or inherits 7 homes you believe you should take them away from them??

That's really messed up. It's called stealing.
x

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Have you heard the report, which apparently has been confirmed by McCain's campaign, that McCain had gay sex at the Hanoi Hilton?

Posted by: Mr. Sulu | September 15, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

bitterindependent,

OBama is the king of B.S.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:25 PM

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i have not seen you back up anything you have posted with facts, but watch how it is done:

Here’s the list. McCain the flip-flops over the top
National Security Policy
1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.
2. McCain insisted that everyone, even “terrible killers,” “the worst kind of scum of humanity,” and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, “deserve to have some adjudication of their cases,” even if that means “releasing some of them.” McCain now believes the opposite.
3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.
6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He’s since come to the opposite conclusion.
Foreign Policy
7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it. Now, he’s for it again.
8. McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.
9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
11. McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.
13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.
Military Policy
14. McCain recently claimed that he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”
15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.
16. McCain was against additional U.S. forces in Afghanistan before he was for it.
17. McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
18. McCain has repeatedly said it’s a dangerous mistake to tell the “enemy” when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.
19. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.
20. McCain staunchly opposed Obama’s Iraq withdrawal timetable, and even blasted Mitt Romney for having referenced the word during the GOP primaries. In July, after Iraqi officials endorsed Obama’s policy, McCain said a 16-month calendar sounds like “a pretty good timetable.”
Domestic Policy
21. McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)
22. On Social Security, McCain said he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Soon after, asked about a possible increase in the payroll tax, McCain said there’s “nothing that’s off the table.”
23. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.
24. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.
25. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.
26. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.
27. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.
28. McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.
29. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.
30. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.
31. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
32. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
33. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.
34. And on gay adoption, McCain initially said he’d rather let orphans go without families, then his campaign reversed course, and soon after, McCain reversed back.
35. In the Senate, McCain opposed a variety of measures on equal pay for women, and endorsed the Supreme Court’s Ledbetter decision. In July, however, McCain said, “I’m committed to making sure that there’s equal pay for equal work. That … is my record and you can count on it.”
36. McCain was against fully funding the No Child Left Behind Act before he was for it.
37. McCain was for affirmative action before he was against it.
38. McCain said the Colorado River compact will “obviously” need to be “renegotiated.” Six days later, McCain said, “Let me be clear that I do not advocate renegotiation of the compact.”
Economic Policy
39. McCain was against Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.
40. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, “I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated,” and “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.” He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a “very strong” understanding of economics.
41. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.
42. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.
43. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.
44. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”
45. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.
46. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.
47. McCain was against massive government bailouts of “big banks” that “act irresponsibly.” He then announced his support for a massive government bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Energy Policy
48. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he’s against it.
49. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.
50. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.
51. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.
52. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.
53. McCain was for national auto emissions standards before he was against them.
Immigration Policy
54. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. In 2007, he announced his opposition to the bill. In 2008, McCain switched back.
55. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.
56. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders “before proceeding to other reform measures.” Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he’d never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his “top priority.”
Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law
57. McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.
58. McCain’s position was that the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.
59. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
60. In June, McCain rejected the idea of a trial for Osama bin Laden, and thought Obama’s reference to Nuremberg was a misread of history. A month later, McCain argued the exact opposite position.
61. In June, McCain described the Supreme Court’s decision in Boumediene v. Bush was “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.” In August, he reversed course.
Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform
62. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.
63. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
64. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.
65. In May 2008, McCain approved a ban on lobbyists working for his campaign. In July 2008, his campaign reversed course and said lobbyists could work for his campaign.
Politics and Associations
66. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn’t. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)
67. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.
68. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.
69. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.
70. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.
71. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
72. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
73. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
74. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was “corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff’s gay lover.” McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.
75. McCain was for presidential candidates giving speeches in foreign countries before he was against it.
76. McCain has been both for and against considering a pro-choice running mate for the Republican presidential ticket.

But maybe it just senility…nah it just BS…


Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse


So just because someone earns or inherits 7 homes you believe you should take them away from them??

That's really messed up. It's called stealing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I am watching the re-run of McBush's interview on the view last Friday and I am cracking my arse up! That Whoppie is way too funny.....McBush looked like a red faced fool! Answer the question, dag nabbit!! Answer the da$$ question!!! lol LMAO!!!! What an old fart!!!

Posted by: Old farts! | September 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Just as Taxing "rich companies" should have the effect of rising prices as a result of diminishing profits, Taxing middle America reduces the purchasing power of the VAST majority of Americans, in effect the same as higher prices, and diminishes profits for the "rich companies" as people can't buy as much.

The difference I see is that taxing certain buisnesses, that are doing well and could afford the increase more than the average american, would drive prices up only in that area. Whereas taxing middle class americans more would have the effect of lowering purchasing power globally.

Im not an Economist by any stretch, but im sure our candidates are more informed than us on these matters on both sides of the political spectrum.

Posted by: stupified | September 15, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The tax "rich companies" NObama plans to do is a joke.

Because those "rich companies" will just raise prices to pay those taxes.

Then who is paying the taxes??? YOU ARE.

Tax Oprah, she has a company that is "too rich".

Liberals are ignorant.

xoxoxox

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:18 PM

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This similiar plan worked for Clinton so why are you b#tchin....you're not rich anyway....BTW there are some Rich Folks that believe that they have a responsibility to give back to the economy though taxes (ie. Oprah, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates)..

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow! What a great show of support at McBush's rally!! The lines were wrapped around the corner and 10 blocks long. Too bad, the majority of them couldn't get in! I guess you needed to own 9 houses and earn 5 million to gain admission!! Maybe that's why only 50 people were allowed into the arena...I guess the rest who were 10 blocks long and couldn't get in represent the middle class...It's a heck of a lot more of us than it is those rich (um I mean middle class) folks

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who saw the interview, and thought Palin knew what the Bush Doctrine was, is even dumber than Palin. Of course, everyone defending her or planning to vote for her is dumber than she is, otherwise they would do anything so stupid.

Posted by: Sarah'sSecretLover | September 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

bitterindependent,

OBama is the king of B.S.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Stop with the late-term abortion crap. It was a very purposefully, loosely defined term made up by the Repubs when they needed to score points with their base. There is no lawful definition of "late-term" and means anything from 12-24 wks which is legal still under most laws. Anything after 24 weeks is considered murder in most contexts and always has -- it certainly didn't change with that Act/Law/whatever.

So stop and again, read a newspaper, magazine, or book please.

Posted by: Mike / Asheville, NC | September 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Liberals,

Please vacation with your Iranian friend in about 8 months. Maybe we will be seeing you say "hi" or rather "bye bye" on the Israeli news channels at that time.

Posted by: Al | September 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party -- A party that the wealthy & privileged have tricked the stupid among the poor and working class into joining, thereby garnering enough votes to take an election. The Republican Party does its best, through its neglectful policies, to assure a continuously increasing supply of stupid and ignorant working class and poor people so that the party can be assured of maintaining its numbers. Another reason for Republicans' staunch antiabortion stance: let them be born into poverty to grow up stupid and join the Republican Party.

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson | September 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Pallin is a super hero hockey mom! Super heros rid the country of all of the bad people...she will be just like wonder woman! Super heros to the rescue! I love super hero hockey moms! She'll make a great super hero....I mean, Vice President!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

the problem is that Palin DID pretend to know what the Bush Doctrine was but was not competent on the subject so she tried to BS her way through the question...

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are macho self-proclaimed "rugged American individualists" who, when thier hypocrisy is proven before their eyes, adopt a "cry baby" victim status, say how unfair their opponents are for revealing the true facts, then proceed to attack the opponents personally with lies and smears. That sums up the Republicans' strategy since 2000.

Posted by: Newt Gingrich | September 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

FOR THE RECORD...Tax cuts for who

The best-kept secret in this presidential campaign is Barack Obama's substantial package of middle class tax cuts--most political junkies can't even tell you what's in it and most working-class swing voters don't even know it exists.
Indeed, those voters would be shocked to discover that, according to independent analyses, Obama is offering 80% of Americans four times as much in tax relief as McCain on average.
The next best-kept secret of the campaign, and arguably the biggest mystery, is why has Team Obama seemingly been hiding this electoral haymaker? Even worse, why have they been letting their opponents con the American people into thinking that Obama will raise taxes on the middle class while McCain will lower them--a damaging line of attack that is demonstrably false?
For example, I bet you did not know that:
--Obama would provide an immediate $1,000 tax cut to 95% of working families.
--Obama would eliminate income taxes altogether on seniors earning less than $50,000.
--Obama would more than double the Hope tax credit for college, up to $4,000 and make it fully refundable.
--Obama would eliminate all capital gains taxes on small business start-ups.
--Obama would not raise income, payroll, capital gains or any other taxes on any family making less than $250,000.
--McCain's tax cut plan would provide no new direct relief to 100 million households, but would give a $4 billion tax cut to Exxon Mobil (which recently posted a $40 billion profit) and other big oil companies.
The McCain plan for health insurance and privatization of schools would add a terrible burden on families who would be required to pay for these costs themselves. Corporate America is getting out of the business of providing health insurance to employees. McCain’s promise: vouchers. Are you kidding? How long will a voucher program last? Until another republican president comes in and does away with them.
Under McCain the average American family would be strapped with an additional $20,000 to $40,000 in annual costs for education and health insurance.
McCain: The average taxpayer in every income group would see a lower tax bill, but high-income taxpayers would benefit more than everyone else.
Obama: High-income taxpayers would pay more in taxes, while everyone else's tax bill would be reduced. Those who benefit the most - in terms of reducing their taxes as a percentage of after-tax income - are in the lowest income groups.
Under both plans, all American taxpayers could pay a price for their tax cuts: a bigger deficit. The Tax Policy Center estimates that over 10 years, McCain's tax proposals could increase the national debt by as much as $4.5 trillion with interest, while Obama's could add as much as $3.3 trillion.
Obama would also introduce new tax breaks for lower and middle-income groups. Such breaks include expanding the earned income tax credit, giving those making less than $150,000 a $500 tax credit per person on the first $8,100 in income, giving those making under $75,000 a 50% federal match on the first $1,000 of savings, and exempting seniors making less than $50,000 from having to pay income tax.
"Middle-class families get tax cuts that are three times larger from Obama than from McCain," Furman said. "And the McCain plan gives nearly one-quarter of its benefits to households making more than $2.8 million annually - the top 0.1%."
Here's how the average tax bill could change in 2009 if either John McCain's or Barack Obama's tax proposals were fully in place.
MCCAIN OBAMA
Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill
Over $2.9M -$269,364 +$701,885
$603K and up -$45,361 +$115,974
$227K-$603K -$7,871 +$12
$161K-$227K -$4,380 -$2,789
$112K-$161K -$2,614 -$2,204
$66K-$112K -$1,009 -$1,290
$38K-$66K -$319 -$1,042
$19K-$38K -$113 -$892
Under $19K -$19 -$567

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Next to Bill Kristol, the ultimate biased buffoon, Charles Krauthammer is probably the worst and most biased writer writing. He has ZERO objectivity, and the only people who pay any attention to him are people who already agree with him. He is truly a joke. If you want to cite a respectable conservative Republican writer, cite David Brooks.

Posted by: James Dobson | September 15, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

show me some form of evidence Anonymous.

Back up what you are saying, give me link or anything.

You're a joke. lol

Posted by: Eyes wide open | September 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

lol its sooo funny!

Posted by: boruch yona loriner | September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Pallin is a super hero hockey mom! Super heros rid the country of all of the bad people...she will be just like wonder woman! Super heros to the rescue! I love super hero hockey moms! She'll make a great super hero....I mean, Vice President!

Posted by: Super hero! | September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The tax "rich companies" NObama plans to do is a joke.

Because those "rich companies" will just raise prices to pay those taxes.

Then who is paying the taxes??? YOU ARE.

Tax Oprah, she has a company that is "too rich".

Liberals are ignorant.

xoxoxox

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

JakeD.. please go to the NASDAC race, you ignoramous

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I hope the people who are voting for McSame are all very rich because if you’re not, then you're going to be paying more in taxes.

Are you rich? Are you in the top 5% of the wealthiest people in America?

If you are not, Obama is cutting taxes for 95% of the people of America?
So, ask yourself this question: Am I in the top 5% of the wealthiest people in America?

Another thing that makes me laugh is when McSame says he will cut your taxes and Obama will raise them. Ha-ha that is true, if you are rich.

Please look at both candidates’ policies before making a decision. I respect the thoughts, opinions and choices of everyone but please make an informed decision.

McSame says he will fight lobbyist, but his campaign is run by lobbyist.

He doesn't offer any detailed plans of how he will get us out of this depression. Obama does.

I don't know about you, but this economy is killing me. I'm tired of the last 8 years, I'm tired of being lied to, I'm tired of seeing my friends going to war and knowing that they may not come back.

ARE YOU?


Posted by: Eyes wide open | September 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I wish we could have had a group hug with Sadam Hussain before that good man was killed.

He made the world so peaceful.

x

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The tax "rich companies" NObama plans to do is a joke.

Because those "rich companies" will just raise prices to pay those taxes.

Then who is paying the taxes??? YOU ARE.

Tax Oprah, she has a company that is "too rich".

Liberals are ignorant.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I wish we could have had a group hug with Sadam Hussain before that good man was killed.

He made the world so peaceful.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually, on the "secession" topic, if Palin could promise a division of the country, half to the dems and half to the repubs, I would be all in favor of it. We get rid of you; you get rid of us. Good deal.

Posted by: Jefferson Davis | September 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Pallin, a proud American White woman who raps herself in the good ole American Flag of USA out to do God's work by cleaning Washington of those liberals! Redneck for life!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

whoohooooooo

hey dem's

McCain just pulled ahead in NYC !!

now who would have thoght that just a week ago ????

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-election2008-poll,0,4540818,post.poll

Posted by: laughing at the dems | September 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse


some of the Liberals on this post are genuine and sincere about there feelings about the dems and obama's dishonest campaign(kind of), but i have noticed that there are a number of liberal bloggers that are not able to defend obama's policies so they stick to FIXEDnews talking points and one liners that have been dissproven by the rest of the media for months (including the international media which is less bias and couldn't care less)...why is that?By by libs!!!!!!


If this post does not prove Obama's point in pushing for better education, I don't know what will. First, the writer does not know when to use "there" vs "their"--a 3rd grade lesson. "Dissproven" , need I go further. And that's just spelling and grammar. Then he talks about "the rest of the media" without identifying specifically what source he is citing or specific policies and lumps every news media in the world together...then "the international media which is less bias (you mean biased?)"...having lived abroad, there are many viewpoints within the international papers. One thing is for sure, even the evil Karl Rove claims McCain has gone too far in untruthful ads. The lack of a thought process and ability to write of this poster is glaring and frightening.

Posted by: cillann | September 15, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Charles Krauthammer, the conservative columnist, writes this morning that it was ABC News anchor Charlie Gibson who actually bobbled a question on the Bush doctrine during one of his recent interviews with new Republican vice presidential nominee Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Testing Palin's foreign affairs knowledge, Gibson asked her if she agreed with "the Bush doctrine."

"In what respect?" Palin responded.

When Palin did not answer a follow-up, Gibson informed her that the Bush doctrine is "we have the right of anticipatory self-defense."

"Wrong," writes Krauthammer. "I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term" way back in 2001.

Krauthammer notes both in his Saturday column and on Fox News' "Special Report" Friday that over the years the Bush doctrine has actually had several different meanings and that Gibson's definition isn't even the latest.

The first was the Bush administration's unilateral withdrawal from the ABM treaty and Kyoto Protocol, which was followed by the post-9/11 "you're with us or you're with the terrorists," which was followed by the preemptive war in Iraq, which Gibson was thinking of.

The fourth incarnation of the Bush doctrine, Krauthammer explains, was the "freedom agenda" articulated in Bush's second inaugural address that "the survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands."

"Yes," Krauthammer concludes, "Palin didn't know what it is. But neither does Gibson. And at least she didn't pretend to know -- while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain."

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

hey dem's

McCain just pulled ahead in NYC !!

now who would have thoght that just a week ago ????

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-election2008-poll,0,4540818,post.poll

Posted by: laughing at the dems | September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The tax "rich companies" NObama plans to do is a joke.

Because those "rich companies" will just raise prices to pay those taxes.

Then who is paying the taxes??? YOU ARE.

Tax Oprah, she has a company that is "too rich".

Liberals are ignorant.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

bitterindependent:

Did you know that the Bush Doctrine was "we will make no disctinction between terrorists and countries that horbor them"?

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actually the bush doctrine is a little bit more than that oversimplistic one-liner you tried to pawn off...LOL

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line: Palin had never heard of the Bush Doctrine, and had no clue about significant issues. She's a stooge, pure and simple.

Posted by: Spiro Agnew | September 15, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Jim you are a funny guy. Where are we going to live if we kill the world? What about your kids?

How old are you? Think about the future.

We need to start taking care of the world and having world peace.

Under the bush administration we have made more enemies. Pick up a book or a newspaper please! Get informed.

"Change is not a good thing" Time is change.

Posted by: Eyes wide open | September 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

bitterindependent:

Did you know that the Bush Doctrine was "we will make no disctinction between terrorists and countries that horbor them"?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-abc.html

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Sticks and stones can break your bones buddy!
Not mine!
Hate Nascar and little weasals.

Posted by: Jeff | September 15, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin on SNL

....the Bush Doctrine..

Palin:"mmm I don't know what that is.."

i LMAO at that skit...so freaking true!!!

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I can not believe there are enough ignorant liberals in this great country that Obama/Biden might really get elected. What has become of INTELLIGENT AMERICANS? We can only hope that McCain/Palin will prevail in Nov.

Posted by: smomtnfox | September 15, 2008 12:41 PM

Uhm, Obama is a Colombia University graduate, a Harvard Law graduate and 12 year Professor of Constitutional Law. Im not even going to go over McCain/Palin's academic carreers, I'll leave that to you...

So, are are you wondering where all the intelligent voters went, or where all the intelligent representatives went?

AS far as all the socialism scare tactics, most people accusing Obama of socialism either don't know or don't care what socialism is. Simply put, Obama is against corporate wellfare, aka socialism of the rich.

Why should the lower and middle class bear the entire burden of bailing out failing corporations.

Why do you call it socialism when the government helps out the vast majority of Americans, yet you don't consider it socialism when the government looks out for the few richest Americans?

Hey, I could be wrong, we all try to be as intelligent as possible when assessing who to vote for. I don't blame it on stupidity nor do I question your love for our country if you disagree with me.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Jeff must be a NASCAR fan, ROFL

Posted by: seattlereigns | September 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Empty seats for an empty suit: McCain. Where are all the good assassins when you need them?

Posted by: John Wilkes Booth | September 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

You are right David,

It's a perfect example of men using women for their own benefits.

Do you want a VP who only has 2 years experience as a governor? Not to mention in a state that has less population than my high school?

Posted by: Eyes wide open | September 15, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

looks like less and less people are being fooled libby

http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/stories/2008/09/15/daily6.html

Posted by: laughing at the dems | September 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

NObama is looking out for the world.
Not looking out for the U.S.
Not even close to presidential material.
He will allow world events that test his alliance with the U.S. if he becomes president.
Wait and you will see.

McCain will not be that careless.
Vote McCain or you might finally realize that change is not always a good thing.

Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 1:59 PM

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it is obvious that you have not lived in the united states for the last 8 yrs...please leave france and move back to the States so that you can see what is really going on here.....bush has been running this country into the ground!!!

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Seattle
If you want to make this personal.
You are either just a kid or a really immature ignoramus.
I am an old "true" biker who has definitely seen more than you judging from your kindergarten attitude.
Big Star Wars fan are you?

Posted by: Jeff | September 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to the ecomony, I like the way the republicans are running it...into the ground. (see todays headlines). The reason is I am a secessionits who has always promoted the Republic of California ( I know you Texans and Alaskans support the idea). The only way that is going to happen is to bring about a 1929-style depression and have a secession sympthetic person in the White House. Palin is a secessionist.

SECESSIONIST…we must unite behind Sarah Palin. Her husband, Todd, was a member the Alaskan Independence Party working for Alaska to secede from the United States. The director of Division of Elections in Alaska reported that Todd Palin registered in October 1995 to the Alaska Independence Party, a radical group that advocates for Alaskan secession from the United States, and remained a member until 2002, when he registered as undeclared while his wife ran for office.

She is more than sympathetic to the cause of secession; she is a participant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Sarah congratulates the secession party
only 6 months ago on their political gains.
Her pastor knows how evil America is and often preaches that America will be punished. A cause all evangelicals share. Listen below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizrJLV30yI&feature=related

Now, with her elected as VP just we can realize the Republic of Confederate States, the Republic of Texas, the Republic of California and the Republic of Alaska. The time has come elect a subversive that has pulled the eyes over the political system of the U. S. establishment.

Vote Palin and lets break this unholy union up.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"She rapes herself in the American Flag ..."?!

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous is funny. Just like many McSame voters, they can't make legitimate points.

Why are you really voting? Just becuase you are a republican?

I belong to no party, I vote based off information. Why can't people do the same?

Don't you have your own mind?

Posted by: Eyes wide open | September 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a woman and that is all, period end of campaign. A lame attempt to throw in a female trying to appeal to mindless females who would vote for her for no other reason. She should be ashamed of herself to be used as a token woman. It insults every thing women have been fighting for all these years. It show how much lack of judgement McCain has. God help us if and when it ever came time to choose his cabinet and start appointing people to posts.

Posted by: David Dook | September 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:58 PM

LOL...you sound like Palin, by trying to BS your way though this blog...no facts to back yourself up!!! LOL...

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

NObama is looking out for the world.
Not looking out for the U.S.
Not even close to presidential material.
He will allow world events that test his alliance with the U.S. if he becomes president.
Wait and you will see.

McCain will not be that careless.
Vote McCain or you might finally realize that change is not always a good thing.

Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I screw ALL americans who are not FILTHY RICH, but I can STILL count on the support of a certain core of NON WEALTHY Americans, because SOME of them are REALLY THAT STUPID! See you at the NASCAR Race!

I'm John McShame, and I support this message.

Posted by: seattlereigns | September 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

the republicans have never been able to run a good economy....they always leave the country in more debt than when they came in (ie. Reagan, Bush, G.W. Bush, and soon Mccain((the economy "expert")...that is why they alway run campaigns based on narrative and values that they no longer believe in.....

LOL...still no names of liberals...LMAO...you are making this too easy....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

the liberals have never been able to run a good economy....they always leave the country in more debt than when they came in that is why they alway run campaigns based on narrative and values that they no longer believe in.....By by libs

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

But Ms. Palin knows how to run an economy....


Sarah Palin’s portrait as a fiscal conservative when she ran the city of Wasilla, Alaska, as its mayor from 1996 to 2002. However, the truth is during her 6 years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33 percent.

According to figures provided by the city of Wasilla, the operating budget for Wasilla went from $6,050,160 in fiscal year 1996 to $9,393,768 in 2002. That’s a 55 percent increase.

A huge increases in tax revenues during her administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though; borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library?

No! $1 million for a park, $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex...She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 years without any borrowing.

The fiscal year ending 1996 (when Palin took the reins), which showed the city’s long-term debt at $1.12 million, mostly for paving and sewer projects. The annual financial report for fiscal year ending June 30, 2002 — Palin’s last year in office — shows that the total long-term debt was $24.8 million. Long-term debt increased $23.7 million.

From $1.1 million to $23.7million – that is one large increase.


Just like a republican. So there.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Empty seats at Obama's last rally, what a surprise. His brain is away and he can barely fill up the front row of any seat arena.Except with the scumbags. This tells anyone what they need to know about Lamobama-loooser. He's out of touch, and his own V.P. too. Obama going to bridge to nowhere.By by Lamobama!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

GOP = the Evangelical Party (Godless open pretendors, i.e., the antichrist)

...new name, thanks Mr. Reagan.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Being a biased outside observer, i'm not a bit surprised to see the polls are tight.

My conclusion is that, excluding die-hard conservatives and liberals who'll votes accordingly,those in-between tend to sway as per news cycle.

What i notice these past few years is that liberal-leaning candidates has to show that he is truthful beyond all reasonable doubt, while the other side can occasionally twist the fact and be accepted as being "tough", "maverick", or whatever.

That means it is the Republican who is setting the bar for the Dems to overcome. It seems to me these voters have a dim view of any Dem candidate unless they can prove they are stronger, cleverer than any Repugs candidate.

Posted by: buj | September 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

the republicans have never been able to run a good economy....they always leave the country in more debt than when they came in (ie. Reagan, Bush, G.W. Bush, and soon Mccain((the economy "expert")...that is why they alway run campaigns based on narrative and values that they no longer believe in.....

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

the liberals have never been able to run a good economy....they always leave the country in more debt than when they came in that is why they alway run campaigns based on narrative and values that they no longer believe in.....By by libs

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM

____________________________________

LMAO!!!!! I noticed that you could not name any names in that complimentary post.....thanks for proving my point again...

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Empty seats at a John McLame rally, what a surprise. His mouthpiece is away and he can barely fill up the front row of a 15,000 seat arena. This tells anyone what they need to know about McClue-less. He's out of touch, and his own V.P. outshines him so much they don't even want to see him publicly by himself. The Straight Talk Express is crashing off the Bridge To Nowhere.

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Pallin will win because she is a beautiful woman who loves God and guns and she knows that JEsus wants her to be the vice President of teh USA. She rapes herself in the American Flag and loves USA. She is a great white woman!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Together Biden and Obama have introduced over 300 bills in the Senate suring the year 2007.

McCain ... um .. 37.

If you look at the changes Obama & Biden have already been fighting for you will understand the trueness and depth of these two. They are truly amazing.

If you look at the bills put forth by McCain you will see someone who is obviously not engaged. 37 worthless bills designed to remove procurement restrictions so Haliburton can be awarded billion dollar contracts without having to hassle with approval. Bills designed to reduce benefits to vets. Bills designed to make it harder for kids to go to college.

Most of McCains bills are obviously written by lobbyists. Just look and it's all right there available for all to see.

Stop dealing with lies and rhetoric and deal with facts which sadly are not in McCains favor by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

If experience was all that counted (as much of the media would have us believe), there would never have been men and women in space, much less walking on the moon; there would be no doctors; and our forefathers could never have created this great country.

Also remember that the Constitution has only two requirements of a person to become President - they must be a natural-born citizen, and they must be at least 35 years of age. Anything beyond that is purely subjective.

So I think we need to focus on what really matters in a candidate - intelligence, education, character, passion, among others. Look hard at both candidates, and make a decision not based on who you have or haven't voted for in the past, your current political alignment, etc. If every American will do that, then we will have the best possible leader at this point in time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

the liberals have never been able to run a good economy....they always leave the country in more debt than when they came in that is why they alway run campaigns based on narrative and values that they no longer believe in.....By by libs

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

the republicans have never been able to run a good economy....they always leave the country in more debt than when they came in (ie. Reagan, Bush, G.W. Bush, and soon Mccain((the economy "expert")...that is why they alway run campaigns based on narrative and values that they no longer believe in.....

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

READERS-

This thread is FULL of people claiming "facts" that are flat out lies!

Do your own research, the posters on this blog are dishonest
(and many sound mentally unstable, i might add).

Posted by: julie | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Pallin will win because she is a beautiful woman who loves God and guns and she knows that JEsus wants her to be the vice President of teh USA. She rapes herself in the American Flag and loves USA. She is a great white woman!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

the liberals have never been able to run a good economy....they always leave the country in more debt than when they came in that is why they alway run campaigns based on narrative and values that they no longer believe in.....By by libs

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Dale...

What is this and when can the whole country get some of it...the Trailor is getting cold and winter is coming on.

OIL TAX

Over the course of 2007, she fought to raise taxes on oil companies. Alaska gets about 85 percent of its state revenue from oil taxes, and as fuel prices skyrocketed, Palin complained the state wasn't getting its share of the windfall. She successfully pushed for a law that raised taxes on oil profits to 25 percent from 22.5, winning passage in the State Legislature in November 2007. The increase amounted to an estimated $1.6-billion annually more for the state. Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before.


We've already checked her claim that she sent "a large share of that revenue directly back to the people of Alaska."

On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted that would send $1,200 to every Alaskan who qualifies. That comes to about $741-million for state residents.

The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account.

Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means for every family an additional $22,400.00. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in. Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

festinog:

That (and a photo proving there were empty seats) is the best Robert Barnes deserved.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

It's quite clear that the liberal base seems extremely ignorant! Wow, what a clueless, argumentative, with absolutely no good talking points group of idiots! Stop pounting and cursing and try to engage in an intelligent, yet debatable conversation! Like being an adult! Oh, I forgot your candidate, Obama is a pouter.I am too gutless to run on the liberal's record over the many years...we rethugs have no credibility and are the reason for such a failed, miserable and broke economy! Oh, I forgot, I don't know zelch about the anything!

I am Hussein Lamobama and I approve this message!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

the republicans have never been able to run a good economy....they always leave the country in more debt than when they came in (ie. Reagan, Bush, G.W. Bush, and soon Mccain((the economy "expert")...that is why they alway run campaigns based on narrative and values that they no longer believe in.....

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow! merely 50 Americans in Florida wanted to hear what this jackarse had to say! hahahahahaha!! That's hilarious! A war COWARD, who beats up on woman! What a loser!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Entitlements. Golly gee... just what are those, charlie?

Mrs. Palin.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

It's quite clear that the liberal base seems extremely ignorant! Wow, what a clueless, argumentative, with absolutely no good talking points group of idiots! Stop pounting and cursing and try to engage in an intelligent, yet debatable conversation! Like being an adult! Oh, I forgot your candidate, Obama is a pouter.I am too gutless to run on the liberal's record over the many years...we rethugs have no credibility and are the reason for such a failed, miserable and broke economy! Oh, I forgot, I don't know zelch about the anything!

I am John McBush and I approve this message!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The rethugs on this blog sound like the ones who are jobless and still in trailers...they have no valid talking points. Please stop posting ish from the lying arse conservative blogs....unless you have credible sources..don't bother...we can get fixed news on cable!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Vote Pallin and McCain '08...Redneck, got totting, USA, meth and johnnie walker is all we need...alaskian gun toting redneck for life...We don't like you if you ain't white

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Actually socialism is a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles.

Neither candidate supports a socialistic government and just saying that Dems want to use tax payer money to make the country better doesn't make them socialist.

But in reality the GOP does have more socialistic tendencies. For all their talk of less government the GOP has grown the government and the national debt starting with Reagan and now Bush. The GOP simply has no clue how to govern.

Posted by: Dale | September 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

He will be indicted.Give it time

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:35 PM

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Wishful thinking by a FIXEDnews pundit...LOL!!!

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Armkev: The supposed tax on home sales from Obama is a complete lie.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html

Posted by: JohnM | September 15, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

It's quite clear that the conservative base seems extremely ignorant! Wow, what a clueless, argumentative, with absolutely no good talking points group of idiots! Stop pounting and cursing and try to engage in an intelligent, yet debatable conversation! Like being an adult! Oh, I forgot your candidate, McBush is a pouter...."Obama didn't meet up for town hall meetings, so we had to launch the most dishonorable, filty, degrading campaigns in Presidential history!". I am too gutless to run on the republican's record over the past eight years...we rethugs have no credibility and are the reason for such a failed, miserable and broke economy! Oh, I forgot, I don't know zelch about the economy!

I am John McBush and I approve this message!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The people of Pennsylvania should remind Obama of his insults to them on his next visit there.

Posted by: armkev | September 15, 2008 1:37 PM

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and rest of the USA too.By by Lamobama!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

some of the Liberals on this post are genuine and sincere about there feelings about the dems and obama's dishonest campaign(kind of), but i have noticed that there are a number of liberal bloggers that are not able to defend obama's policies so they stick to FIXEDnews talking points and one liners that have been dissproven by the rest of the media for months (including the international media which is less bias and couldn't care less)...why is that?By by libs!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:32 PM

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imitation is the greatest compliment...i take it you agree with how well i proved my point...otherwise you would not have copied my eloquent argument....Thank you..

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The people of Pennsylvania should remind Obama of his insults to them on his next visit there.

Posted by: armkev | September 15, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's church welcomes Jews For Jesus a Christian religion that tries to convert Jews, maybe Leiberman has been converted to them too.

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

X lol can't you write?
"Who don't realize"? don't you mean who doesn't realize?

Anyways, I hope the people who are voting for McSame are all very rich because if you’re not, then you're going to be paying more in taxes.

Are you rich? Are you in the top 5% of the wealthiest people in America?

If you are not, Obama is cutting taxes for 95% of the people of America?
So, ask yourself this question: Am I in the top 5% of the wealthiest people in America?

Another thing that makes me laugh is when McSame says he will cut your taxes and Obama will raise them. Ha-ha that is true, if you are rich.

Please look at both candidates’ policies before making a decision. I respect the thoughts, opinions and choices of everyone but please make an informed decision.

McSame says he will fight lobbyist, but his campaign is run by lobbyist.

He doesn't offer any detailed plans of how he will get us out of this depression. Obama does.

I don't know about you, but this economy is killing me. I'm tired of the last 8 years, I'm tired of being lied to, I'm tired of seeing my friends going to war and knowing that they may not come back.

ARE YOU?

Posted by: Eyes wide open | September 15, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jeff, I'm old enough to be YOUR DADDY, I probably AM your daddy, but sorry, I don't claim the mistakes I made in my youth!

Posted by: seattlereigns | September 15, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that housed in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.All facts will be available soon.By By Lamobama!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:26 PM


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If obama broke the law then how come he was not indicted.....most cases always overlook the small time crook (renzko) to get to a bigger name politician....how come this never happened in this case....just get over it he not guilty....now let's talk about a real crime like the Keating 5

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:34 PM

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He will be indicted.Give it time

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Why you should cast your voit for McKing - McKing is sexually straight, and he has chosen to run with beautiful women, he is anti-abortion. He never surrenders even in captivity.

Obama - he really looks like Islam, his Harvard education is really nothing compared to McKing's Naval top of class academy degree, only terrorist like him.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that housed in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.All facts will be available soon.By By Lamobama!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:26 PM


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If obama broke the law then how come he was not indicted.....most cases always overlook the small time crook (renzko) to get to a bigger name politician....how come this never happened in this case....just get over it he not guilty....now let's talk about a real crime like the Keating 5

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey seattle.
How old are you?

Posted by: Jeff | September 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Take the current financial situation in this country as proof we dont need Obama. Democrats demanded equal lending and Obama wants even more. Abiding by Democrats equal lending requirements is costing billions of dollars. The Democrats demanded loans be made to anyone and now the country reaps the effects of that.

Posted by: armkev | September 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Cmon, Count me in.

Let's clean the community and it's organizers.

Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

We need additional viable political parties. In addition, democrats and republicans need to redefine/reestablish their party platforms. I don't feel like any parties are speaking for me and I know I'm not alone in that sentiment.

Posted by: Jimmy | September 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

some of the Liberals on this post are genuine and sincere about there feelings about the dems and obama's dishonest campaign(kind of), but i have noticed that there are a number of liberal bloggers that are not able to defend obama's policies so they stick to FIXEDnews talking points and one liners that have been dissproven by the rest of the media for months (including the international media which is less bias and couldn't care less)...why is that?By by libs!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

And Jeff is spelled; S T U P I D

Got any more comments?

Posted by: seattlereigns | September 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Human being from Canada.

Posted by: Jeff | September 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Glad she's returning to the campaign trail with McCain tomorrow. The Tina Fey look-alike will surely be a draw.

Posted by: Chris | September 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

And all of you liberals are okay with NObamas' pastor...


"God damn America!"

Hopefully we will not reap what you are attempting to sow...

I am for the McCain platform all the way..

Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

hey wapo

here is a great idea if you want to be around in 2 years. get ahead of this thing while you can

when they start cleaning house after november, and they will. you dont want 99% of your content to be measurable campaigning.

just a freindly warning.

we now return you to your regularly scheduled screaming of out of work liberals terrified they may have to be responsible, oh yea, and 'back to you' obomanuts in college libraries all across this fair land

Posted by: laughing at the dems | September 15, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

seattlereigns said: "A discussion with a Republican is like a discussion WITH A PIG!"

Fine. Let's just GET IT ON PUNK, AS I NOW HATE YOUR MOTHERF*****G GUTS!! ANY LIB LIKE YOU IS A WORTHLESS POS!

BRING...IT!

Posted by: Cmon | September 15, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

It is spelled "Caesar"

Posted by: Jeff | September 15, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

some of the republicans on this post are genuine and sincere about there feelings about the dems and mccain's dishonest campaign, but i have noticed that there are a number of republican bloggers that are not able to defend mccain's policies so they stick to FIXEDnews talking points and one liners that have been dissproven by the rest of the media for months (including the international media which is less bias and couldn't care less)...why is that?

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Muslim communist or hug a tree!
Americans are funny in the fact they like to talk and misspell.
Heaven forbid there should be any common sense.
Hussein Obama!!??? You have to be kidding right?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

It is spelled "Loser"

Posted by: Jeff | September 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

No one really cares or even want to see Old McGrunt! This is hillarious! He must have had about 50 people at the rally! Everyone wants to see the redneck bafoon...who can "see Russia from her backyard!" That's her foreign policy, along with killing innocent animals, forcing rape and incest victims to keep the children of these assailants, and use the bible to run the country! When Jesus specifically said, "Render unto Ceaser what belongs to Ceasar (which is the governement) and render unto God what belongs to God (the church)." So for those religious right wing hypocrits....they too will be judeged by Christ! They are using the church for their political gains! For at the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! The bible says that as a Christain, your light should shine so bright that when everyone sees it they will know that you are a child of God and will want to follow you. A dishonest campaign = an unhonoraable person! You can't have it both ways! Electing John McCain and Sarah Pallin who strategically uses the church and God's words to control the government is the doorway that we open for the Anti-Christ to enter! People had better beware. The bible tells us that God is comming back for a spotless church and evangelicals' churches aren't spotless. They teach hate and aggression to those who don't agree with their beliefs. This isn't christianity...they remind me of the Jewish priest who persecuted Jesus! They thought that their religious beliefs were God's word when it actually turned out that they wre criminals and on their way to hell....where unfortunately, most of them went!

Posted by: Beware of the anti-christ | September 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse


...so is it hello scum of the earth??? How sad.

Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for making my point DUMBASS, you can't even come up with anything ORIGINAL in an insult!

You have NO FACTS, or even ORIGINALITY!

Can we say, LOOSER!

Posted by: seattlereigns | September 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Guns and Jesus or hug a tree!
Americans are funny in the fact they like to talk and misspell.
Heaven forbid there should be any common sense.
Sarah Palin!!??? You have to be kidding right?

Posted by: Jeff | September 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that housed in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.All facts will be available soon.By By Lamobama!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe half of American voters are ready to elect a 73 year-old lock-step Republican who believes we can win in Vietnam...er...Iraq under his watch, whose replacement when he dies is the kind of Religious Right corrupt politician that he promises to expose and make known to the American people. Mission accomplished, Mr. McCain. We know her name. We just wish she had the qualifications to take over your job and we weren't so worried that her family, friends, and members of her church would be her first appointments to powerful political positions.

Really. I am amazed that this ticket has any kind of credible chance in Novemeber. Goodbye, middle class.

Posted by: Amazed | September 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Liberals --

"Yes Obama, steal money from people and give it to me!, yes! yes! yes!"

The United States of America .. Land of Opportunity

"Ask not what your country can do for you,
Ask what you can do for your country"... said by a decent Democrat.

Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see the Liberal arguments here are non-existent.

Just vitriol, seism, and fear..

Thanks for the win Libs!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Mccain should have received a dishonarable discharge for surrendering and giving up on his country. When asked by his captors to be freed and return to fight for his country, MCCAIN decided to remain in captivity. Same (now very) OLD MCCAIN, let somebody else do the dirty work.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

We cannot elect a racist like Obama. The last thing we need is Louis Farrakhan running around the White House with all his Nation of Islam nuts.

Posted by: armkev | September 15, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - "There were empty seats at the Obama stadium shin-dig too."

Is that the best you can do? Here. Read this:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_10132731

However, rather than comparing this rally with Obama's in Denver; which after all was pre-planned well in advance while McCain's was more impromptu; a better comparison would have been Obama's addressing a crowd in excess of 20 000 in Washington state at a similarly impromptu mass rally. Whether or not you're an Obama supporter, it has to be admitted that people would rather watch paint dry than listen to McCain speak. He is a very capable politician; but a captivating orater he is not.

Though to be honest, I think this article is pretty poorly written and without informing us how many people did show up versus numbers of empty seats; the piece becomes meaningless.


Posted by: festinog | September 15, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

god bless the GOP, they'll need it when they go to hell for their lies!

Posted by: midwestern elitest | September 15, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Listen to these NUTBAGS! Yuo can throw FACT AFTER FACT at these Obama supporters and they just go along babbling THEIR empty talking points, refusing to debate you on YOUR FACTS, and quoting NO FACTS OF THEIR OWN.

A discussion with a Liberalsis like a discussion WITH A monkey!

And BTW Obama IS AN IDIOT, WITH or WITHOUT lipstick!Youcant see it anyway

Anyone with a REAL open mind who reads these posts will come to the same conclusion.

Too bad libs scumbags your LIES will not work anymore,,,SUCK IT UP!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The latest Washington Post/ NY Times strategy seems to be to ignore anything about the McCain campaign that cannot be cast in a negative context, but make a postive feature story around every word that issues from the Obama campaign. This could backfire.

Posted by: C Nelson | September 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see the Republican arguments here are non-existent.

Just vitriol, racism, and fear..

Thanks for the win GOP!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I am a staunch republican but find myself not able to support McCain and Palin. My experience has been that people who lie to get what they want cannot be trusted, and while I thought I respected McCain my opinion has changed. Just as he has changed under pressure when his campaign was floundering. Sarah Palin .. oh my .. I happen to agree with her viewpoints. My friends have always called me closed-minded. That I can accept, but I really can't accept mediocrity in exchange for someone who does share my conservative values because the truth is we need real change. I know I am an island. Sarah is a good talker. Sarah will be (and is) very popular but it is obvious she hasn't a clue. Sorry Sarah.

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Wrong Jim, that is a lie.

The Gov't makes plenty of $, espeically in Social Security, as well as Reimbursable services to the private sector.

Do you people just spout anything and hope it will stick?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

NObama is a control freak.

"Gimme your hard earned $$$$ and I know better than you how to spend it."

...no way!!!

Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The change of venue and location were made at the last minute. No rock band, no free beer, and Republicans typically have jobs, so we had to take time off to attend. All in all, a great rally with a lot of enthusiasm.

Posted by: FlaLady | September 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain has not even been Governor of a state.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:16 PM

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OBAMA HAS BEEN NOBODY FOREVER!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sue. Vouchers... hummmm

Just how much of your tax dollars are they will to give back to you in vouchers for school.....

$8,000 per year per child? (average cost for private schools per student parents will pay)

How much tax to you pay, sue? Will they give back all your tax dollars to you so you can pick your own school? or more, if your taxes are low will they cover all or part and how much if part.

Sounds like republic economics to me...

How much more of that can we stand?

Privatize schools and ....Oh, Freddie Mac and Fannie May... Gee

Sounds like more of thos great republican half baked ideas

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Listen to these NUTBAGS! Yuo can throw FACT AFTER FACT at these McCain supporters and they just go along babbling THEIR empty talking points, refusing to debate you on YOUR FACTS, and quoting NO FACTS OF THEIR OWN.

A discussion with a Republican is like a discussion WITH A PIG!

And BTW Sara Pelin IS A PIG, WITH or WITHOUT lipstick!

Anyone with a REAL open mind who reads these posts will come to the same conclusion.

Too bad RepubliSCUMS your LIES will not work anymore,,,SUCK IT UP!

Posted by: seattlereigns | September 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

FACT: McCain will tax the middle class more than Obama

LOOK IT UP!

Don't rely on SOMEONE ELSE to tell you their truth.

Seek it out!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

basementfrog believes in free lunches.. as though the govt. pulls money from thin air.

The govt. makes $0. The govt. gets all of it's $$$ from business and you.

YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING for all that and govt. is not as efficient as business..less taxes for better, cheaper services.


Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I am a strong liberal. I am pro-chose and no family values. I have always voted Democrat. I never voted for Bush .

I feel sold out. I know what's true and your right ... I am afraid and I am not afraid of a black man being in the Whitehouse.

But myself and others have decided we need to let the Democrat party fall flat on it's face because it does not represent our views. I know this.... It's hard to admit but I do know this so quit slamming it in our faces.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

@David

That is not true and you are a liar.

Typical Republican

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I love that some people live in a black and white world....it must be nice for the simple-minded. We have seen what happens to have a president who does the same. The problem is that the issues we have today are not black and white. We need a president who looks at all the shades of gray too. Yes, Obama did vote against a bill regarding abortions. It doesn't mean he is PRO-abortion it means he didn't agree with the wording of the bill - it did not have provisions for rape and incest victims and it did not protect roe vs. wade. Had the bill had those provisions Obama would have supported it. See, it is not simple - the GOP can spin things all kinds of ways and the sad fact is many of you hear it and believe its the truth - because you want to believe it. You believe that all the people crying foul on the lies and deceptions coming out of their campaign are "liberals" or "left wing nuts" when really they are reporting facts and truths. It saddens me that my children's futures are in the hands of so many people who would rather turn a deaf ear than listen to the truth. I do not think Obama is the messiah, I do not believe he is "the one" and I think whoever the next president is will have a very long and steep road to climb with the mess that the Bush administration has left but I would rather be hopeful and give him a chance at what he's trying to accomplish - the dream. What's being offered on the other side is a bloody nightmare.

And all of you screaming "he's a socialist" etc. Try studying about some of the countries out there that are more of a socialist democracy - you'll find out the people are no less free than you are but are generally a lot more happy. America can only be the greatest country in the world if you don't know any different. Try traveling - its an eye-opening experience.

Posted by: Sha | September 15, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Sue you were just burned so bad.

LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama asked for over 1 BILLION dollars in earmarks in only 2 years.

That isnt change you can believe in.

Posted by: David | September 15, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain has not even been Governor of a state.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The Media, has been enthralled with Obama for too long. He is dishonest and so are many of the people who will vote for him; Unfortunately, Obama and Biden, They will never be ready to be president will probably win this election and America will become poorer both financially and morally because of their policies. I fear for the country I love, for it has become small, petty and short-sighted. Eventually, in four years or eight, we will have a revolution of some kind led by a leader worthy of being followed. For now, however, McCain /Palin would do.

Posted by: Rpind | September 15, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Well then, Sue, you probably know that Obama supports vouchers, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Spell check? this is an internest forum...

Look lets talk about the issues, this isn't grade school and people type fast.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

OMG! The socialists are coming! The socialists are coming!

Lets see - I got my medicare and I think its great (so do all the other old folks. Without it I would be uninsured 'cause that private sector don't want me.

I get my SS check - millions have to live on it and would be in the streets without it.

Once I collected unemployment insurance between job. It was a big help.

While I worked in corporate American I got a pension, vacation days, sick days, the 40 hour week and there was no child labor - all thanks to the "socialists" and no thanks to republicans.

Today the Federal Reserve (another "socialist" institution) bailed out the American banking system so that it wouldn't fail like it did during the great depression. The "socialists" also brought you FDIC insurance and regulation of the banking industry - which regulation the GOP did away with in the name of "free markets".

"Get government out of the way!". "Government is the problem"

Rhetorical right wing BS.......Government is "the problem" until you need it to bail out your banking buddies.

Posted by: toritto | September 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

NObama has not even been Governor of a state.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:12 PM
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He has bee community org.-what a loooooser!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to pay 28 percent tax on the sales of our homes. I dont. So NObama!!!

Posted by: armkev | September 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Vouchers?

I guess all the poor kids family have tons of those to throw around huh?

vouchers? Don't make me laugh.

Road are fine because the governewmnt funds and maintains them...duh! Private companies build them

Healthcare would be no different. Thanks for porving my point...."roads are fine!" LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, first learn to spell challenge.

Second, Palin hasn't been governor for more than 20 months. That's hardly a decade. In that office, she instituted a windfall profit tax on oil companies, so that she could give Alaskans $1200 each. Sound like a familiar plan? So that's not individual taxpayer money she is playing with. Remember that there is NO income tax in Alaska. They don't need it. She's been governing with huge surpluses from the oil industry and earmarks from Congress. That's what she's done for the past 20 months. Not a decade.

Third, the office she did hold for about the past decade was as mayor of a small town. While there, she increased sales tax, including taxing food. She hired a lobbyist to get Congressional money for her small town. (John McCain himself even criticized three of the earmarks she requested at the time.) She still left the town with more than $20 million in long-term debt. It had never had any before.

Seems like another spend and deficit Republican to me. But I think you guys call running up huge deficits and cutting taxes on the wealthy "fiscal conservatism," right?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I am a strong conservative. I am pro-life and family values. I have always voted Republican. I voted for Bush twice.

I feel sold out. I know what's true and your right ... I am afraid and I am afraid of a black man being in the Whitehouse.

But myself and others have decided we need to let the Republican party fall flat on it's face because it does not represent our views. I know this.... It's hard to admit but I do know this so quit slamming it in our faces.

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

A once supporter of Obama, I can tell you this: Obama knows all about change. Once a reformer, Obama has now surrendered his beliefs and completely changed. Hmmm might be the same way he surrendered when the going got tough many years ago-listening to rev Right. Harsh facts remain, Obama knows first hand about change as that is what he has done since becoming the popular liberal-corruption

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Mccain/Palin has gotten in Obamas head. He is reeling and dropping in all the polls. Like Dennis Miller once said:

Obama doesnt know if she should deficate or wind his wrist watch.

Posted by: armkev | September 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

NObama has not even been Governor of a state.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Jim is right. Lets stop whinning and promote self-determination..

Pay for you children's education by yourself. No more free public schools. At $8,000 per year per child (elementary school...high school and college are a lot higher). Get off the governments back, america, they got better things to do with your money...like bailing out their friends on Wall St.

And hey, corporations also have better things to do that pay for your medical insurance. Pay it yourself...for a couple over 50 years old, that about $2,000 per month. The same for a family of 5 with parents over 30 years old.

Add those bills to your own every month. and get education and health care off the governments back and corporate backs..

Lazy bunch of whinners. dang!!

Vote for McCain and shut up

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

So Anonymous,

you are so stupid that you want the govt. to choose your childs school?
I wish to choose my own using school vouchers. Govt. run schools will never work in the long run.

Now you are attempt to strike fear about the roads??
The roads are being build fine.

Liberals keep blocking school vouchers. You will see the best schools when vouchers gets through. That is part of McCains policy

Posted by: Sue | September 15, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I win $20.

Now to answer your pist, since you prived me right and did not answer mine.

How are Alaska earmarks fiscally repsonsible?

Palin has not been in office for a decade

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

wow

Posted by: Uzoma Peter Lane | September 15, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Republcans refuse to ackowledge that socialst program have helped their will being.

You drive on roads don't you?

DO you seriously believe that Coca-Cola and Seagrams and Lockheed Martin should be running school systems?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Sure, anonymous, what issues do you want to discuss?

How John McCain said repeatedly in 2002 that the Iraq War would be easy, and then in 2007 said that anyone who thought the war would be easy was naive of the facts?

How about how on the Senate floor in 2001 when he claimed that the Bush tax cuts went against his "conscience" because they forced middle-class tax payers who needed tax relief "the most" to pay more in order to benefit the rich? But now in 2008, these same cuts that he used to find so offensive are now the heart of his own tax plan?

How about how he denounced Rovian tactics when he was a candidate in 1999, and now has hired the same Bush team in order to win in 2008?

How about how he thought Lieberman and Ridge were most qualified for the VP job, but when his party said they would revolt, he backed down and picked Palin, whom he hardly knew? Then he stands up at his convention and says he will go against his party?

How about our $10 trillion deficit, which McCain has no way to cut? Even Alan Greenspan said he we can't afford his tax cuts! It seems that starting today, McCain has reversed his position that all earmarks are bad, and is now stating that just a reduction would be ok. Unfortunately for him, earmarks are the only spending cut that he mentioned in his economic plan with any detail. Everyone agreed that this wouldn't be enough to make even a dent in the deficit, but it was at least one specific cut. But now, he is going to slash taxes on the wealthy and on large corporations, not really cut spending at all...and do what with the deficit?

The second in command in Iraq came out recently and said that the increase of troops in Iraq (known as the surge) has contributed little to stability on the ground, particularly economic stability. We also know now that the joint chiefs opposed the surge, despite McCain's and Bush's statements to the contrary. But McCain continues to insist that the surge is leading us to "victory." How exactly do we win an occupation? But more pressingly: how will we increase our presence in Afghanistan if we keep the same number of troops in Iraq? How will we go to war with Russia when we are already engaged in two theaters?

So, yeah, let's talk issues!

Posted by: issues my foot | September 15, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Any person who can do research knows that Palin's administraion for decade has been more ficsally repsonsible with taxpayer dollars.

I challense Liberals to cite evidence to the contrary.

$20 says Libs posters will ignore this challenge and instead post a strawman argument.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for reporting on this. The Media, including the Washington Post, has been enthralled with John McCain for too long. He is dishonest and so are many of the people who will vote for him; Unfortunately, McCain and Sarah Palin, who will never be ready to be president will probably win this election and America will become poorer both financially and morally because of their policies. I fear for the country I love, for it has become small, petty and short-sighted. Eventually, in four years or eight, we will have a revolution of some kind led by a leader worthy of being followed. For now, however, Obama would do.

Posted by: disillusioned | September 15, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

@Jim, too bad you don't know what socialism is, do you?

I bet you think its the same a communism.

Other idiot with no Economics education.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

A once supporter of Mccain, I can tell you this: Mccain knows all about change. Once a reformer, Mccain has now surrendered his beliefs and completely changed. Hmmm might be the same way he surrendered when the going got tough many years ago. When captives asked to be let go and rejoin his fellow Americans... Mccain decided to remain captive rather than return and fight for his country. Harsh facts remain, Mccain knows first hand about change as that is what he has done since becoming the popular republican.

Posted by: Topsy-Turvy | September 15, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The reason McCain continues to say the economy is in good shape is because he understands that people are afraid and will respond to someone who alleviates their fears. People are afraid of change. They are afraid someone is going to take away their SUV. When they hear McCain say, "No worries, we will drill-baby-drill" and "The economy is doing great. No worries." ... they know this is not true, but it makes them less afraid.

Introduce a black man talking change and it gives them shivers up their spine. In their heart they know it's true, but they can't rationalize their fears. That is why they are irrational.

I must say Rove is a genius when it comes to the psychology of the masses.

It's sad though.

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama ,besides his speeches.sounds like the idiot that is spitting a venom.Do we need slow-witted president like Obama?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Any person who can do research knows that EVERY Demcoratic administraion for decades has been more ficsally repsonsible with taxpayer dollars.

I challense GOP to cite evidence to the contrary.

$20 says GOP posters will ignore this challenge and instead post a strawman argument.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Mike is right... let's not mix socialism and communism..

Socialism sets up programs for the benefit of society as a whole.

Communism says everythings is owned by all (see, Bible Acts and Pete and the early christian community) and the profits are due to all. Direct payment.

For Example.....


OIL TAX

Over the course of 2007, she fought to raise taxes on oil companies. Alaska gets about 85 percent of its state revenue from oil taxes, and as fuel prices skyrocketed, Palin complained the state wasn't getting its share of the windfall. She successfully pushed for a law that raised taxes on oil profits to 25 percent from 22.5, winning passage in the State Legislature in November 2007. The increase amounted to an estimated $1.6-billion annually more for the state. Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before.


We've already checked her claim that she sent "a large share of that revenue directly back to the people of Alaska."

On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted that would send $1,200 to every Alaskan who qualifies. That comes to about $741-million for state residents.

The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account.

Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means for every family an additional $22,400.00. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in. Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too.


Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

This article failed to mention that Sarah Palin had a sell-out crown in Colorado at the fair grounds. The seats weren't actually sold, citizens were admitted free, but all the seats were filled. John McCain is tied or ahead in many of the polls, so it really doesn't matter how large the crowds are at his rallies. It's no secret that Sarah Palin and Obama draw more crowds than their running mates. What everyone, especially the media, doesn't seem to understand ... is that this is not a popularity contest, it's about the future of America and who is going to be able to best lead us to a better economy, a way out of Iraq, a solution to illegal immigration, a better health care system, etc... So, let's wait for the debates and see who comes out ahead. A candidate can stand on a platform and say anything that they want when there is no one there to challenge them. Obama can delivery a flowery speech (that someone else has writtten) very well, but can he defend himself in a debate. He has repeatedly refused to stand toe to toe with McCain on a town hall stage ... why is that?

Posted by: sks1965 | September 15, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The empty seats say it all, McCain is not popular and will not win.
Obama always packs the house and sold out the Denver Stadium in one day.
Obama should win easily, but the right will do anything to win (Lee Atwater's death bed admission) so look out for electronic voting fraud.

Posted by: Mikey | September 15, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

i'm in the military and most of my military friends are upset with mccain's voting record against veterans since 911, and the fact that he was totally against the new G.I. Bill proposed be Sen. Webb. He later "dishonorably" tried to take credit for helping it pass even though he was one of the biggest opponent to the bill....Mccain has sold his soul and become a LIAR in this campaign....his lack of integrity is why me and my military friends refuse to vote for him....

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 15, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Who cares how qualified a socialist is still a socialist.

I'd never vote for Obama.

Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

So corporation should build our roads and educate our children.

Please, please explain to me how McCain understands the economy.

Please?

You can't

Can;t you Republcian type your own posts? How pathetic. You are like lemmings.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

NObama ... AN EMPTY SUIT.

Thieves take money .. that is taxing .. that is what Obama is about.

Whiners and hopers .. where is your self pride and determination???

Sitting on your butts and hoping for handouts .. that is not what built the U.S.


Posted by: Jim | September 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

If You were The Boss... which team would you hire?

With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually critical election year.

Let's look at the educational background of the candidates and see what they bring to the job:

Obama:
Occidental College - Two years.
Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

& Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class)

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential nation in the world?

Please send this information to your friends and colleagues who vote!

Posted by: C. Toth | September 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

what makes obama qualified to run the united states. 100 days in the senate:)? NO! He has less experience than Palin.

Posted by: rocky | September 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Well republicans really know how to reform economies...just look at what Palin did as mayor...

FISCAL CONSERVATIVE


Sarah Palin’s portrait as a fiscal conservative when she ran the city of Wasilla, Alaska, as its mayor from 1996 to 2002. However, the truth is during her 6 years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33 percent.

According to figures provided by the city of Wasilla, the operating budget for Wasilla went from $6,050,160 in fiscal year 1996 to $9,393,768 in 2002. That’s a 55 percent increase.

A huge increases in tax revenues during her administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though; borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library?

No! $1 million for a park, $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex...She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 years without any borrowing.

The fiscal year ending 1996 (when Palin took the reins), which showed the city’s long-term debt at $1.12 million, mostly for paving and sewer projects. The annual financial report for fiscal year ending June 30, 2002 — Palin’s last year in office — shows that the total long-term debt was $24.8 million. Long-term debt increased $23.7 million.

From $1.1 million to $23.7million – that is one large increase.

OOOHHH, THOSE REPUBLICAN ECONOMICS…GOLLY GEE


Must be that trick-the-nickel down theory Mr. Reagan laid on us.

Who would thing that what real economists were telling us back in 1980s would happen 27 years later...

Leahman Bros., Merrill Lynch, Fannie May, Freddie Mac, the whole savings and loan industry in the 1980s --- gone..

Vote rupublican and lets drive the country down into the ground...1929 here we come...yahoooooooo

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Socialism is not a system where government takes money and gives it to who needs it nor a system where the government may give no-bid contracts. In socialism, everything is weighted on the benefit to society rather than (with capitalism) we weight everything based on how much it costs.

Think about it this way: The reason most die-hard Republicans do not like socialized medicine (or some form of Universal Healthcare) is because they do like the idea of someone taking "their" money and the care for others being out of their hands. In a capitalist system, this makes since because everyone is supposed to be on their own and greed is supposed to take hold and make society better because everyone will get rich be able to care for themselves -- right?!

In socialism, this is not the case. Instead, everyone has a mindset that taking care of your fellow man before yourself is more important than the notion that government or you will be paying for someone else's care. Socialism is a society-first mindset -- not greed-first then society.

Quit mixing communism and democracy.

Posted by: Mike / Asheville, NC | September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

@Anon ...Read the posts and stop copying if you are interested in liberals discussing the issues, you uncreative troll.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Advanced ECON huh Yeow?

I highly doubt it...

I have a PhD from Johns Hokins school of Econ in Wash DC.

I'll back up my claims until the cows come home, both with empirical evidence and mathematical models.

NO socialist pockets ARE REQUIRED in free-maket system....period.

McCain has the best understanding of this.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse


"She is accused of Cheating on her husband, with her husbands friend."

Accusations are not the same as fact. Lets try and example : Fact, John Edwards cheats.

"What Sarah Palins Church Really Believes."

Sure, lets go down that road and investigate the church the Nobama sat in for 20 years. You keep thinking you can wine this way. You obviously haven't actually read up on his liberation theology or terrorist friends.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

@phil - Are you telling me the Republicans, made up largely of christian fundamentalists, will vote for the most qualified candidate and not who the church demands they vote for? Yeah right. That'll be the day.

Just because McCain spent 5 years in a prison camp does not qualify him to be president. What skills does it take to sit in a cage?

On the other hand, Obama has a background of, and experience in, leading and serving the people of the United States.

Obama and his wife worked hard to get where they are today.

McCain graduated near the bottom of his class so how did he get where is today? He married a rich woman whose daddy's hard work funded his position.

Posted by: Dean | September 15, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Do any Liberals care to discuss issues?


...

...

I didn't think so.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Advanced ECON huh Yeow?

I highly doubt it...

I have a PhD from Johns Hokins school of Econ in Wash DC.

I'll back up my claims until the cows come home, both with empirical evidence and mathematical models.

Socialist pockets ARE REQUIRED in free-maket system....period.

Obama has the best understanding of this.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

RE: Tommy

Spoken like a true Republican: "Damn the facts, full speed ahead!"

Sarah Palin: BA degree in journalism - U of Idaho. (Home of the fightin' Vandals. No, Really. You could not make that up.)
Member, Wasilla, Alaska PTA (Take THAT, Putin!)
Wasilla, Alaska City Council- 1992-1996 (4 years)
Wasilla, Alaska Mayor-1996-2002
Ran for Lt. Gov- 2002- lost
Gov of Alaska- 2006-current 20 months (state pop: less than 1/5 that of Chicago, not including moose. Roughly 7 times the attendance for Obama's speech in Denver)

****************************** ********************

Barack Obama: Occidental College- 2 years
Columbia U- BA degree in Political Science with a specialization in International Relations
Worked at Business Internationl Corporation
Chicago Community Organizer- 3 years
Harvard Law School- Juris Doctor, president of Harvard Law Review (first year), Graduated Magna cum laude (note to U of Idaho grads: this means "really, really good" in a weird, foreign language)
Lawyer- Sidley & Austin Law firm, Chicago
U of Chicago law School- Constitutional law teacher 12 years, Lecturer for four years (1992"1996,Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996"2004).
Wrote 2 best selling books
Civil Rights Attorney- 1993-1996- Associate, of counsel- 1996-2004
Illinois State Senate: 1998-2004- 3 terms
US Senate- 2004- Current, Committees: Foreign Relations, Vet Affairs, Envir and Public works, European Affairs
Over 800 pieces of legislation that he's written, sponsored, co-sponsored and voted on.
Presidential campaign, 20 months to date

Posted by: bitter independent | September 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

John McCain was a POW? Wow, that's news to me. He's not using that at all to get out of any attack against him is he? Hmmm.... McCain is a political wimp even if he is a war hero (hero who wrecked 5 planes). He is attached to Bush's hip and it's hard to tell them apart these days. Palin is an earmark loving neocon liar who cannot be trusted either. (did she say "No" to the bridge to nowhere, or sell her plane on ebay?--Hope you know the answer to both of those. Apparently she or McCain don't know about Google or Youtube) Together they are a complete disaster for the country. (But of course, they have God on their side so the rest of us are toast)

Posted by: steve | September 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Another good Washington Post piece. The call them all pieces but this one is especially nice. We need more opinion Mr Barnes and facts about corrupted Obama. You article the best.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Nobody's showing up at McCain's rallies if he doesn't have Palin with him. This morning he played to a nearly empty hall in Jacksonville.

Interest in him was revived a little by her selection, but even that's going down now. She's deflating as we speak, since the Charlie Gibson debacle.

Posted by: Dorothy Madigan | September 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Ok, John McCain is a war hero. America has 10's of 1000's of war hero's (maybe more) and I thank each and every one of them for their service to our country. However, running a campaign on being a war hero and asking people to vote for you because you're a war hero has no correlation to how well you can run a country. If that was the case, we could have 1000's of brave americans capable of being president.

Don't vote for McCain because he's a war hero. Look at the issues and vote on them.

Posted by: Sick of this | September 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting sick and tired of these McCain nutbags using the only attack line they got left after all the other lines have failed; "Barack Obama is too liberal".

A VAST majority of the military are behind Barack Obama, ARE THEY TOO LIBERAL?

Apparently not too liberal to DIE in a war that is NOW common knowlege was started over A LIE!

The majority of Veterans ALSO support Barack Obama, ARE WE TOO LIBERAL? Thats RIGHT I said WE. It's interesting that all those bumper stickers saying "Support the Troops", AND the "Yellow Ribbons" are MOSTLY on vehicles owned by CLOWNS who NEVER SERVED!

It's ALL REDNECK PROPAGANDA!

Save me the phoney sincerity, if you care about "The Troops" then BRING THEM HOME!

And when you get them home, GIVE THEM THE SUPPORT that we promised to them, AND OWE THEM!

Don't screw them over like McCain has TIME AND TIME AGAIN!

Action speaks louder than words, if you REALLY want to support the troops, you will give this joke McCain/Palin ticket THE BOOT!

Sorry America, but a Nationalistic bumper sticker, or a yellow ribbon MEANS NOTHING, when soldiers DIE FOR A LIE!

Posted by: seattlereigns | September 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I can see the simple minded are here today...no intelligent discussion going on here, just racist insult posts and fearmongering with no evidence AT ALL.

I'm glad the media called out McCain on ALL HIS LIES.


enjoy your fake polls.... the first time voters, and no-land-line voters will bury McPalin in Nov.

Hear that sound? Thats is the sound of the collective whining of millions of Republicans.

Turnabout is fair play...be prepared.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeow, if you took advanced economics classes, then why don't you know what socialism is?

Obama doesn't advocate government-run healthcare. That is just another of McCain's lies. It's been confirmed dozens of times.

Are you really claiming that our entire school system should be privately run for profit?

You know that McCain just called for more financial regulations today, right? If you want someone who believes in completely free markets, you should be voting Bob Barr, not McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I doubt if Obama would have done better gaining an audience. Florida is recovering from a difficult hurricane season and people have real world worries.

Also, I believe that most people have made up their minds about the election and want it to be over, especially now that the campaign has taken a nasty name calling turn.

Does Obama really expect America to vote for him if he keeps calling a war hero a liar, cheat, dishonest, and even dishonorable? Obama knows that the word dishonorable is used in the military to get rid of bad soldiers. What is he trying to say? That McCains service to the country is now dishonorable? God, please help us.

Posted by: Rick F | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain is strong.
Get a clue.

McCains' mother is still alive and doing well.

The media is full of McCain bashers - reminds me of Germany when hitler was comming to power.

Posted by: x | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I would have gone to Mccains event but I was at work. Too bad Obamas supporters dont have that problem.

Posted by: armkev | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

No, even the business community in Jacksonville is smart enough to see through McCain/Lame brain as being completely unequipped to handle the US economy meltdown. Republican policies = Economic Ruin....

Posted by: KSMIAMI | September 15, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Here’s the list. McCain the flip-flops over the top
National Security Policy
1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.
2. McCain insisted that everyone, even “terrible killers,” “the worst kind of scum of humanity,” and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, “deserve to have some adjudication of their cases,” even if that means “releasing some of them.” McCain now believes the opposite.
3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.
6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He’s since come to the opposite conclusion.
Foreign Policy
7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it. Now, he’s for it again.
8. McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.
9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
11. McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.
13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.
Military Policy
14. McCain recently claimed that he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”
15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.
16. McCain was against additional U.S. forces in Afghanistan before he was for it.
17. McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
18. McCain has repeatedly said it’s a dangerous mistake to tell the “enemy” when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.
19. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.
20. McCain staunchly opposed Obama’s Iraq withdrawal timetable, and even blasted Mitt Romney for having referenced the word during the GOP primaries. In July, after Iraqi officials endorsed Obama’s policy, McCain said a 16-month calendar sounds like “a pretty good timetable.”
Domestic Policy
21. McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)
22. On Social Security, McCain said he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Soon after, asked about a possible increase in the payroll tax, McCain said there’s “nothing that’s off the table.”
23. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.
24. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.
25. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.
26. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.
27. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.
28. McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.
29. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.
30. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.
31. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
32. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
33. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.
34. And on gay adoption, McCain initially said he’d rather let orphans go without families, then his campaign reversed course, and soon after, McCain reversed back.
35. In the Senate, McCain opposed a variety of measures on equal pay for women, and endorsed the Supreme Court’s Ledbetter decision. In July, however, McCain said, “I’m committed to making sure that there’s equal pay for equal work. That … is my record and you can count on it.”
36. McCain was against fully funding the No Child Left Behind Act before he was for it.
37. McCain was for affirmative action before he was against it.
38. McCain said the Colorado River compact will “obviously” need to be “renegotiated.” Six days later, McCain said, “Let me be clear that I do not advocate renegotiation of the compact.”
Economic Policy
39. McCain was against Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.
40. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, “I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated,” and “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.” He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a “very strong” understanding of economics.
41. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.
42. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.
43. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.
44. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”
45. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.
46. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.
47. McCain was against massive government bailouts of “big banks” that “act irresponsibly.” He then announced his support for a massive government bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Energy Policy
48. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he’s against it.
49. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.
50. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.
51. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.
52. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.
53. McCain was for national auto emissions standards before he was against them.
Immigration Policy
54. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. In 2007, he announced his opposition to the bill. In 2008, McCain switched back.
55. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.
56. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders “before proceeding to other reform measures.” Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he’d never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his “top priority.”
Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law
57. McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.
58. McCain’s position was that the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.
59. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
60. In June, McCain rejected the idea of a trial for Osama bin Laden, and thought Obama’s reference to Nuremberg was a misread of history. A month later, McCain argued the exact opposite position.
61. In June, McCain described the Supreme Court’s decision in Boumediene v. Bush was “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.” In August, he reversed course.
Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform
62. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.
63. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
64. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.
65. In May 2008, McCain approved a ban on lobbyists working for his campaign. In July 2008, his campaign reversed course and said lobbyists could work for his campaign.
Politics and Associations
66. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn’t. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)
67. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.
68. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.
69. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.
70. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.
71. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
72. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
73. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
74. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was “corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff’s gay lover.” McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.
75. McCain was for presidential candidates giving speeches in foreign countries before he was against it.
76. McCain has been both for and against considering a pro-choice running mate for the Republican presidential ticket.


But maybe it just senility

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Another biased Washington Post piece. The call them all pieces but this one is especially deserving. Figure it out already. We don't need your opinion Mr Barnes, just facts. You article lies by omission.

Posted by: Ivan | September 15, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Here we go, Republican lemmings spouting abut communism and socialism, yet they don;t even know what the word means.

The cannot ideintify any speific about Obana policies that fit, yet they continue to repeat it.

The also convenientyl oignore the fact that socialsm programs are rrueired in a free-market society to prevent abuse, otherwise, all roads would be built near businesses and never near poor neighborhoods, schools would not be able to fuind the education of poor people, women would not be treated equally on the job, and you children would still work in dirty and dangerous factories.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin will put Hussein Lamobama on that bridge to nowhere.By by Obamanitus

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Does it matter whether it is Obama or McCain when there is no accoutability?

Why don't they mention the failure of
Fredy Mac and Fanny May?

Because both Democrats and Repulicans
are in it.

Remember: accountability.

Posted by: T N T | September 15, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

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smomtnfox said "What has become of INTELLIGENT AMERICANS?"

I say: We've watched the Republicans lead us into an unnecessary war which has killed more Americans than bin Laden's crew did on 9/11, watched Bush's incompetent cronies ("atta boy Brownie") lead a disasterous Katrina response, watched the GOP be asleep at the wheel while the mortgage crisis unfold, watched America be disgraced as we tortured captives, watched as our national debt has tripled in only 8 years, watched as the division between rich and poor has increased (as it does during every Republican administration), watched as Bush's ideological beliefs had America sitting on the sidelines as the globe warmed.

So, let's look at the report card:
Economy: fail
War: fail
Terrorism: fail
Nuclear Proliferation: fail
Environment: fail

I guess the intelligent Americans are going to not give the Republicans another chance.

Atta Boy Bushie.
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Posted by: egc52556 | September 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

basementfrog:

So, the actual disagreements he's had with Bush, and the changes he says he would make, don't matter to you?

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

did a 14 yr old write this story? ... Bobby Barnes was so excited to write something bad about a republican he made a dozen errors on top of poor writing. .... way yo go bobby boy

Posted by: editor | September 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

But with Obama it's nothing more than the poor old organ grinder and his pet monkey.

Poor Obama, duped by his own party.... and by a man who doesn't even know what entitlements are

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonymous,

I have had advanced courses in Economics.

Schools should not be completely govt. run.
Not heath care. Want _worse_ health care than we have right now??? Then let the govt. give it to you. Libs already complain about govt. VA health care. You are next under Obama. He's not God as you people fantasize.

The market will pull more efficient vehicles, more efficient health care.

Things may not be optimal but with Obama is a CHANGE FOR WORSER THINGS.
Obama wants to force it.

Posted by: Yeow | September 15, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

New to this but i gotta say that obama is not all spring roses either. Its gonna be like Kerry and Bush. Do we want a pretty boy or a nim rod? Except in this case, do we want someone who is a jack ass to some or one who has to rule through his vp? In my opinion Palin will be getting McCains votes.

Posted by: Zerieth | September 15, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

LOL! Without Sarah the pitbull Palin, McSame is as flat as a pancake and going down like Lehman Bros. and Merrill Lynch

Posted by: liminalx | September 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

dlytle:

Children, even a Down syndrome baby - are gifts from God.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The only thing McCain is going to change is his diaper.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

TO SMMOMTNFOX: TALKING ABOUT IGNORANCE, PLEASE DON'T INSULT YOURSELF AND THE REST OF THE REPUBLICAN FOLLOWERS, THEY HAVE BLINDLY FOLLOWED AND SUPPORTED THE INCOMPETENT BUSH ADMINISTRATION FOR 8 YRS. WAKE UP!!!

Posted by: glenn | September 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty funny when people say Obama hasn't done anything. He wrote 890 bills during his 8 years in the legislature and sponsored another 1096. He's authored another 152 during his first year in the Senate and co-sponsored another 427.


Ever wonder what type of bills Barack Obama introduces into the Senate? Ever wonder what exactly he is working on everyday? Take a look at a small portion below. I think you might be surprised.

16. S.133 : A bill to promote the national security and stability of the economy of the United States by reducing the dependence of the United States on oil through the use of alternative fuels and new technology, and for other purposes.

17. S.433 : A bill to state United States policy for Iraq, and for other purposes.

18. S.453 : A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 1/31/2007)

19. S.674 : A bill to require accountability and enhanced congressional oversight for personnel performing private security functions under Federal contracts, and for other purposes.

20. S.692 : A bill to amend title 38, United States Code, to establish a Hospital Quality Report Card Initiative to report on health care quality in Veterans Affairs hospitals.


21. S.713 : A bill to ensure dignity in care for members of the Armed Forces recovering from injuries.


22. S.737 : A bill to amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 in order to measure, compare, and improve the quality of voter access to polls and voter services in the administration of Federal elections in the States.


23. S.767 : A bill to increase fuel economy standards for automobiles and for other purposes.


24. S.768 : A bill to increase fuel economy standards for automobiles and for other purposes.

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't want anyone messing with my life, especially the government. How about we do something unspeakable... let everyone keep the same percentage of money that they earn so that everyone can succeed in what they want, without anyone stepping in the way?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

But with McCain it's nothing more than the poor old organ grinder and his pet monkey.

Poor McCain, duped by his own party.... and by a woman who doesn't even know what entitlements are (and she's governor!!)

Since she lives so close to the north pole does she know Santa Claus???

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS COMMUNIST
Of all the possible choices, Obama chose a running mate whose views and vaules are the same as liberals. I want change!

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Anonymous! Are you writing a book?

Posted by: phil | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

yeow, that is not what socialism is. Socialism is an economy built on state-run businesses. Many countries have state-run oil businesses or airlines, and are not complete socialist systems.

Regardless, Obama is not advocating state run business, let alone that all businesses be government run. The McCain people try to scare Americans by claiming that Obama wants government-controlled healthcare, but time and again, independent groups have proven that this is a gross distortion of the Obama plan, which merely advocates that people get better coverage (like the health insurance McCain enjoys as a member of Congress).

Real definition of socialism:
"Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

More about McCain's lies about the healthcare plan as "government run."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/us/politics/13mccain.html?bl&ex=1221451200&en=46ea589c255511cb&ei=5087%0A

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I am a liberal, Obama supporting woman. I have my youth, young children, both my husband and I are educated, well off (by working for it) and live in the big city.
No matter who wins this election - they will most likely be a one term president. They have a long hard road ahead of them - and nothing that either are promising in the next four years will come to fruition, because of all the clean-up that will have to be done thanks to the current administration.
Thanks to all of you who voted in Bush TWICE - our country is in shambles, our men and women are being killed or killing themselves to fight for YOUR "freedom". Your "freedom" to make choices of what you do with your body, your "baby", who you can fall in love with, and build a family with, what God you can worship, the education your entitled to, and the freedom of self expression.
IF you HONESLTY think that McCain is not another Bush you are fooling yourself. - Hopefully you do not have young men in women in your family who will be hauled off to war, raped by the "terrorists" and be made to carry that baby, come home from war and find that they will not be taken care of as promised, and that your daughters will not receive equal pay as your sons. Sit on your stoop, with yer gun, eating Spam - I hope you saved your change because by the way your social security benefits are no more.

Posted by: Hillbilly=Republicans | September 15, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

americans will vote for the walking dead because he picked a bookbanning jesus freak

Posted by: herbert-de-turbot | September 15, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Lamobama is the communist and he got the communist agenda for this country.Do we need the communist president?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I am just so disappointed in John McCain. That he chose Sarah Palin over Mitt Romney at this time of economic trouble shows he would rather win an election than save a nation.

Posted by: michael S | September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

PALIN IS BUSH!
Of all the possible choices, McCain chose a running mate whose views and vaules are the same as Bush. I want change!

Posted by: Thoren58 | September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

@x

Some socialism is required in a free market to prevent exploitation and abuse.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The comments provided by you leftwingers supports compltely the shallowness of your candidate and intelligence. Please tell me again all the experience Mr. Obama brings to the table. The issues he will make such great changes in something besides how much all of us will take home...please SOMETHING!

Posted by: Tommy | September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Tina Fey so aptly summed up the intellectual firepower on the Palin-McCain ticket: "I can see Russia from my house!"

That's about as illuminating as McCain now defending Palin's shameless quest for earmarks by claiming Palin cut the amount of pork she asked for.

The Republican ticket this year is a joke.

Posted by: Michael | September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Robert Barnes. Another partisan "reporter" who slants the news to favor "The One".Tell
the truth, Robert: did you konw what the "Bush Doctrine"was? No, you didn't. We
can see through the biased reporting that you and most of your media cronies are doing. It's the biased media teamed up with the Hollywood "experts" trying to tell the rest of America what we should think.

Posted by: phil | September 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Liberals have been brainwashed into thinking that Socialism is a good thing.

Obama says he will do all these things.
Where's he going to get the $$ ??
Take it from you - that is taking you freedom.
Even if he could get all the $$ he needs from the rich only, where do you think these rich (who earned it by the way) will get the extra $$ to pay the taxes??? FROM YOU!!!!

IGNORANT AND BRAINWASHED LIBERALS DO NOT REALIZE THAT!!!

Obama will give you:

-Less Freedom
-Less money

Posted by: x | September 15, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in chicago together with criminal Rezko.All facts will be available soon.Do we need the criminal president?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he should get a Blow-Up doll of her and lug her around his campaign tours!! LOL!

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: DeeTx | September 15, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Certain programs need to socialized...learn American history then come talk to me.

Start here:
Child labor, womens rights, schools, interstates, railroads.....healthcare is next.

The rest should be free-market.

Go learn Economics 101

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The Evangelical Party (the anti-christ) is on a roll.

A new deceiver, Palin rising...

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it irresponsisible for a woman nearing menopause to get pregnant? I understand that raises the possibility substantially that there may be a Down syndrome baby born. Everyone knows that.......don't they?

Posted by: dlytle | September 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

@Yeow, again you cite no specifics.

I'll wait.....

"McCain eats babies!!!"

See, anyone can say anything on the internet...doesn't make it true.

Research for yourself and stop repeating talk radio nonsense.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Awww... no one shows up unless the beauty queen is there. That's so sad. Poor old fart.

Posted by: Blake | September 15, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

LOL Without Sarah the Pitbull Palin, McSame is as flat as a pancake and going down like Lehman Bros. and Merrill Lynch

Posted by: LOL | September 15, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how McCain feels knowing that he can't get people to come out and listen to him..But they will come out to see a pretty lady. Recite a bunch of lies written for her.. This guy is so so sad..He wants that White house job so bad he will do anything say anything to get it..I'm scared of him!

Posted by: jane | September 15, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Maybe communism is better...give those corporate profits to the people...let them make up their own minds how to spend it....

go pay-day Palin.....show us the money!

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

To the elitist and racist GOP, helping poor people in ANY way is socialism.

You are ignorant of history.

The need for a mix of social programs (schools, roads) and free markets are what makes America work.

Reagans deregulation of banks just destroyed the US Financial sector....There is a flip side to every coin

Posted by: Try again | September 15, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I can not believe there are enough ignorant liberals in this great country that Obama/Biden might really get elected. What has become of INTELLIGENT AMERICANS? We can only hope that McCain/Palin will prevail in Nov.

Posted by: smomtnfox | September 15, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

LOL without Sarah the pitbull Palin, McSame is as flat as a pancake and going down like Lehman Bros. and Merrill Lynch

Posted by: LOL | September 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

SOCIALIST STATE??? NO!!! NOT THAT...

Over the course of 2007, she fought to raise taxes on oil companies. Alaska gets about 85 percent of its state revenue from oil taxes, and as fuel prices skyrocketed, Palin complained the state wasn't getting its share of the windfall. She successfully pushed for a law that raised taxes on oil profits to 25 percent from 22.5, winning passage in the State Legislature in November 2007. The increase amounted to an estimated $1.6-billion annually more for the state. Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before.


We've already checked her claim that she sent "a large share of that revenue directly back to the people of Alaska."

On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted that would send $1,200 to every Alaskan who qualifies. That comes to about $741-million for state residents.

The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account.

Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means for every family an additional $22,400.00. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in. Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too.


Gee, maybe it would be OK after all, if for all... go, Palin

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonymous

Socialism is when a government takes money from people who have earned it and uses it as THEY see fit.

That is what Obama wants to do and McCain is against.

So you want the govenment to have the money???

You are ignorant of what Obama is - He is a socialist.

Posted by: Yeow | September 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

obama says,
wives and families are off limits!!!
ummmm snicker snicker,
go get 'em boys'
I think denigrating Cindy McCain
is low, have you been donating
any of your time to help
the less fortunate?

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

GOP clown show in full swing today!

Socialsim???

Saying it does not make it true.

Back up your socialism claim, I dare you.

I'll give you at least 2 RECENT examples of Bush administration socialism.

1. Tax-payter funded bailout.
2. No-bid Iraq contractrs

Posted by: More lies lies lies from GOP | September 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

It looks like people who are coming to the McCain rallies are coming only to see Palin and not to listen to what McCain has to say. They already know what he will say time and again. POW, Palin and it is such a pain to hear the same broken record over and over.

Posted by: beevee | September 15, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

No, anonymous, I am an indepent party trying to set the record straight.

Won't want an ignorant public making ignorant decisions.

oh...I'm in the US..oops.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I never want a govenment looking out for me.
Homeless or not... NEVER!

Liberals are whiners, socialists.

.. with no self pride or belief in freedom and Independence.

Posted by: x | September 15, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Socialist state Yeow? Where do you dome up with this nonsense. It's OK, I doubt you will proivde a single shred of evidence to support your claim.

What do you base this on?

Last I check, it was the Bush who was bailing out corporation with taxpayer money.

Last i checked, every independent study says Obama's policies would lower taxes for the middle class more than McCains would.

Do you even know either candidate policies?

Americans liuke the positions of McCain even less...so let the best man win.

McCain - tax cuts for rich, none for you
McCain - no abortion for anyone, ever, even rape victims
McCain - no equal pay for women

Not going to happen

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Religion is destroying the common sense of mankind.

Posted by: dlytle | September 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, hellooo.. late-term abortions are already illegal!

Posted by: Jon | September 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Yes obama will save us,
simple folks, he is so
intellectual, he knows
just what I need in
my life. I'll just send
him my grocery money.
It's an investment.
He'll send me it back
and then some. and he'll
get me a job, and pay my
mortgage. america is so
great. I don't have to
do anything for myself.
obama and pelosi will
do for me.
thank you.

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Ignorant liberals -

Who don't realize when they are letting the U.S. slip into socialism.

Who don't recognize a weak leader of foreign affairs.

Who do not realize a weak foreign policy (Obamas') will cause MORE DEATH, MORE WARs in the end.

May God Bless America

McCain - YES

Posted by: x | September 15, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

We've had eight years here, where the Administration has played God and done whatever it wanted to, oblivious to the consequences of their actions.

Now, we Americans are suffering for the bad decisions of those at the top. It''s insane. Why would anyone consider voting for someone who supported those policies? Out of party loyalty? What's that going to be worth to you, when you're unemployed or homeless?

Posted by: wolf | September 15, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Was McCain a POW for 5 years? I almost forgot.

Posted by: DWI | September 15, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

AND THE NEW WIFE.. how is she doin?

John McCain's powerful Washington, DC, lawyer, who secured a slap on the wrist for the Arizona Senator following the Keating Five scandal, was in close contact with federal investigators probing Cindy McCain's prescription drug abuse, throughout their nearly yearlong investigation, according to a new report Friday.

Although there was little doubt that McCain was misusing a medical-aid charity she ran in the early 1990s to obtain massive quantities of narcotic painkillers to feed her addiction, the Drug Enforcement Agency filed no federal charges against her. Instead, she was able to cut a deal that let her off the hook in exchange for completing a brief drug aversion program.

There is perhaps no one who can claim more credit for this auspicious outcome than John Dowd, an attorney with substantial clout in the nation's capital who came to McCain's aid after a former employee began telling the DEA what he knew about her drug problem.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Post_McCains_Keating_5_lawyer_pressured_0912.html

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

@Yeow...did you get that from the back of a cereal box, or are you just repeating more daily talking points spoon-fed to you by talking head idiots?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm still wondering why none of the so called "liberal media" were at the Alaska Women Reject Palin Rally.
While all the cameras were on her arriving in Alaska, and the couple hundred fans, there were 1400 WOMEN in Ancorage in front of the Library, holding an ANTI Palin rally.
There are lots of good pictures on mudflats and kos and the video of the person driving by shows how big this event was.
So Why wasn't the "liberal media" all over it?!?!? Why weren't they interviewing these women FROM Alaska to see what they thought. Luckily someone did, and the answers are as you would expect.
No surprises here. Obama draws 8000 McSame draws 800. You do the math. No matter what the polls say, this is what is going to happen on Election Day as well.

Posted by: stupidcontard | September 15, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Do any Republicans care to discuss issues?

...

...

I didn't think so.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Read about "Anchorage's 'Other' Palin Rally - Sarah Palin's Detractors Are Coming Out of the Woodwork" at: www.SarahPalinAdmirationSociety.com

Posted by: Sarah Palin Admiration Society | September 15, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

No chance for Obama this time around may as well throw in your hat.

He is:
1) To liberal - the most liberal voting record in the whole senate
2) Pro-Late term abortion
3) Pro- turning USA into a Socialist State

Not happening

Posted by: Yeow | September 15, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Remind me again, is is McCain-Palin or Palin-McCain?

Posted by: miriamc1342 | September 15, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

There is no innate enthusiasm for John McCain because he has been running a cynical, sleazy campaign. That does not inspire people.

Obama's campaign is more about Americans uniting for a common purpose. Americans like that. We want leaders who we can admire, not those we can mock.

Posted by: Ni | September 15, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a better man and a better Christian that you intenet self-loathing hacks.

Get a life.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

WELL ...... I'm sure he's sincere...right

McCain likes to illustrate his moral fiber by referring to his five years as a prisoner-of-war in Vietnam and to demonstrate his commitment to family values. The truth is somewhat different.

The first Mrs McCain casts is the mother to McCain’s three eldest children. Carol, who was a famous beauty and a successful swimwear model when they married in 1965, was the woman McCain dreamed of in the ‘Hanoi Hilton’ prison and the woman who faithfully stayed at home looking after the children and waiting anxiously for news.

But when McCain returned to America in 1973, he discovered his wife had been disfigured in a terrible car crash three years earlier. Her pelvis and one arm were shattered and she suffered massive internal injuries, doctors werer forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter.

When John McCain came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little resemblance to her old self. ‘My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.’

Some of McCain’s acquaintances portray the politician as a self-centered womanizer who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to ‘play the field’. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons. McCain was then earning little more than $40,000 a year as a naval officer, while his new father-in-law, Jim Hensley, was a multi-millionaire who had impeccable political connections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk


View here what real vets say about McShame.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 15, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Please know that many of us, the silent majority, are waiting for Sen. Obama to answer the defamatory and inaccurate ads by his opponents with passion as we are afraid that the conservative supporters of McCain-Palin will only respond to theatrics.

Posted by: elizabeth | September 15, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain is just not attracting any real interest, and you GOP can spin all day on it. The fact is, the American people are smarter and will elect the more qualified ticket.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The People of Jacksonville kept faith and helped his EX Wife, but McCain dumped her.
What a nice guy!

Posted by: Chuck | September 15, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it hypocritical to see so-called "pro-life conservatives" talk about life in narrow way.

When Bush sent the US military to bomb and overthrow Saddam, you hypocritical idiots didn't give a rat's a$$ about the Iraq children as well as the adults.

I didn't know that the Bible distinguished between killings. The Judeo/Christian commandment says "THOU SHALT NOT KILL". It doesn't say "THOU SHALT NOT KILL, excluding cases where someone threatens you or you feel threaten regardless if they have a stick or weapons of mass destruction'.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 15, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

How Liberal writes:

"He spent 5.5 years with no seat at all, empty or not... in Hanoi!

take that, libtards!"

Funny, that's the same excuse Hannity used to explain away, five years after he was released from capitivity, why McCheater had an affair with the rich cheerleader and dumped his first wife.

Posted by: MA | September 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Billy Jackson wrote:
"Barak Hussain Obama is no Christian. How could be be for LATE-term abortions and still call himself a Christian."
*************************************
How can you call yourself a Christian when you voted twice for a president and administration that knowingly started a pre-emptive war against a country that DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, including women and children; made refugees of millions more; traumatized millions more; left them still without adequate infrastructure (clean water, electricity, homes)?

How can you call yourself a Christian when you refuse to give up any of your own wealth to help those less fortunate, calling it "big government," "tax and spend..."

How can you call yourself a Christian when you support leaders who openly lie, repeat lies, and mock anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do?

How can you call yourself a Christian if you discriminate based on race, gender or sexual orientation?

When are "Christians" going to stop supporting a candidate like George W. Bush and Sarah Palin who openly lie and brazenly repeat lies - what kind of model is that for our children? Lie, cheat, steal to get ahead?

There are many evangelical christians who are out there, god forbid, community organizers, who do God's work. They are compassionate, and care for those less fortunate. But, people like Mr. Jackson who post "Hussein" because you likely have racist feelings about Sen. Obama's "foreign" sounding name or worse, believe the smears that he is muslim - you give Christians a bad name.

"Pro-Lifers:" Pro-Fetus - after that, you're on your own, baby! No more taxes! No universal health care! And, capital punishment, war, torture - that's okay...


Posted by: bethechange1 | September 15, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

It's not the empty seats that are a problem---it's the empty, old and stale rhetoric the few people in the seats keep hearing--So do you want-OBAMA/BIDEN '08---Or the Fluff Stuff of McCain choosing Palin?? -- LET'S GET BACK TO THE ISSUES TO DECIDE: ON THE ISSUES OF THE ECONOMY, EDUCATION, IMMIGRATION, IRAQ, DIPLOMACY, BUILDING A BETTER AMERICA, PROTECTING OUR VETERAN'S, ENERGY INDEPENDENCE WITH SOLAR, WIND AND OCEAN POWER, AND PROTECTING SOCIAL SECURITY FOR EVERYONE, IT IS CLEAR THAT OBAMA/BIDEN '08 HAVE THE IDEAS AND ENERGY TO GUIDE AMERICA IN A NEW DIRECTION. OBAMA/BIDEN '08.

Posted by: benighse | September 15, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

@how liberal.....yet another idiot that benefits from the dumbing down of America.

POW does not = President.

McCain has nothing else to talk about except POW POW POW POW POW POW POW....yet POW is no qualification for President.


LOTS of seats were empty, are you disputing that fact?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Could the original venue fit 1,500 people? If not, were other venues available that could? This is not news especially not without those two pertinent questions going on answered by the article.

Posted by: Anthony | September 15, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

People asked me for three things Obama has accomplished. I can give you way more than three accomplishments. How about 127 bills introduced by Obama in 2007 dealing with issues like reducing dependence on foreign oil, support for college education, support for war veterans, support for the troops fighting in Iraq, support for healthcare, support for normal everyday people. There are 127 reasons just in 2007 along along with over 400 other bills he co-sponsored.

Then let's talk about McCains 37 bills. Yep. That's right. 37!!! Mostly dealing with shortcuts to the procurement system so they give the contracts to Haliburton. Providing legislative power to oil companies to protect their profits. Cutting benefits for veterans. Putting more paperwork in the way before vets can receive healthcare. Putting more paperwork in the way for education.

Surely even if you like Palin. Even if you are a conservative. It is very easy to see who represents the majority of people in this country and the facts are all right there for everyone to see on the senate website. If only people actually wanted to look.

If you were going to hire someone, you ask for their transcripts and you look at them. You see one who has been involved in everything and has accomplished more in 8 years in the State legislature and 2 years in Senate than your other candidate who basically has failed every class, ditched school, didn't turn in any of his assignments, and didn't do any homework.

Sorry, but that is McCain.

Maybe he's popular with the "football" team but he sure as heck is not a leader.

That's the truth, hurt as it may.

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

BJ writes:

"Barak Hussain Obama is no Christian."

It's spelled Hussein by the way.

And who are you to say that Obama is not a Christian, when in fact he is.

John Sidney McCain is no change agent. He's a nearly 30 year DC insider, who thinks that if he says the word "change" enough, maybe he'll win the WH.

Maybe he will.

So all you folks with sons that are 18 years of age, make sure you get them registered for the draft. Because McCain will need fresh troops for his war with Iran and it's the law.

I was honored to serve this nation in uniform, thankfully in a time of peace.

Posted by: MA | September 15, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Give it up. McCain only generates crowds when Palin is with him. I used to think that Palin was with him to protect her from the media. Now I see it's a lot of both. He needs her for the crowds and she needs him so she doesn't have to answer hard questions.

Anyway, yes there were empty seats for Obama in Denver. People were dancing in the aisles.

Posted by: Bill J | September 15, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Maybe many more people were planning on coming but the realization that they might be putting the latest Wall St. crisis into the hands of John "the ecomony's not my strong suit" McCain and Sarah "I think we should charge rape victims for their evidence kits" Palin worried those with IQs above 75. Maybe thinking about how McCain's chief economic advisor, Sen. Gramm laid the groundwork for the current Wall St. and Credit mess worried those with IQs above 50.

Posted by: ThingsThatShine | September 15, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

how liberal:

The issue is not "empty" seats, per se. No one at the WaPo reported on "empty" seats at Obama's stadium address. Why the inconsistency?

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah JakeD...you are right. Obama had 8,000 in attendance in New Hampshire with about 2000 more seats available.

McCain had paid for 15,000 capacity arena and seated about 1500 supporters.

That's part of the McCain camp and GOP spin cycle. Call it what you want but McCain has no enthusiasm without Palin and Palin has no credence without McCain.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 15, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Billy Jackson:

I am sure some TRUE Christians are innocently being deceived on the abortion issue (Obama is not one those though ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

how liberal to describe seats that just happen not to have anyone sitting in them as "empty"! Will the liberal MSM stop at nothing to smear John McCain? He spent 5.5 years with no seat at all, empty or not... in Hanoi!

take that, libtards!

Posted by: how liberal | September 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

It's about time the Obama campaign took the gloves off and go at McCain's character and what his campaign choices say about how he will lead. We've already seen the marketing creation George W. Bush ("Compassionate Conservative" "Bringing Honor Back to the White House") take office based on a false image created for public consumption - it turns out the dishonest, shallow campaign was foreshadowing for one of the most corrupt and devisive administrations in history. Honor, my a--. In McCain's case, yes, he survived being a POW and he has had some history of bucking his party pressures and standing firm, but I say, "John McCain, what have you done for us lately?" I couldn't believe how he has supported Bush since 2000, clearly because he wanted to be in place to be the nominee in 2008. He voted with Bush 90% of the time in the past 8 years! Now, he is lowering himself to the Rove tactics that damaged his own more honorable campaign in 2000 and he is pandering to the religious right. Don't anyone think he won't owe them big-time if he wins! And, Palin, she's shiny now, and he'll use her to win, but as ruthless as he is now showing himself to be - she'll be pushed out to the sidelines so his buds Joe and Phil can come in. He does not have a positive record on women's issues, so there's no reason to think choosing Palin was anything but a political strategy that may help him win votes, but won't do right by America if he has to leave office or dies.

I hope Obama can somehow niggle him in debates about his own inability to draw big crowds without Palin and using her for an attack dog - maybe "McNasty" (his high school nickname) will have a temper and show America who he really is. I now believe the "straight talkin' maverick" was the facade.

Posted by: bethechange1 | September 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I had no idea Obama voted for a law to force doctors to MURDER babies born alive during a botched abortion and now I can say I will never vote for him.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=164320

check this out

Posted by: Julie von Saltzberg | September 15, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

...With McCain being the 72 Ford Maverick and his VP peeeuuu Palin.....Empty promises come with empty seats......

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 15, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Barak Hussain Obama is no Christian.

How could be be for LATE-term abortions and still call himself a Christian.

Posted by: Billy Jackson | September 15, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like McCain has wasted taxpayer money again (yes McCain is spending my money) on a 15,000 seat arena for only 1,500 supporters.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 15, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

People, people. The story this week is 'Has McCain been eclipsed by the star power of Palin?". Last week, the McCain camp talked about Palin was bringing many more people to rallies than just McCain alone. The McCain camp set this story in motion when they recognized the reaction of the base to Palin's appearances at events.

If the Post follows that thread that McCain's camp put forward, don't complain when the focus is on the numbers of people showing up at solo events. Tomorrow the story will be how crammed Palin's event is, how many people had to be turned away, and no one spouting off today will cry "BIAS!"

Posted by: Athens GA | September 15, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

No chance for Obama this time around may as well throw in your hat.

He is:
1) To liberal - the most liberal voting record in the whole senate
2) Pro-Late term abortion
3) Pro- turning USA into a Socialist State

Not happening

Posted by: Al Sharpton | September 15, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"Ho! The liberal bias! Oh!"

What crap.

If the joint is half empty and its reported that the joint is half empty - its liberal bias.

Howbout no liberal newsmedia will report that Bristol and Track are both tweekers and all their friends know it? That Trak joined the military to avoid jail time? That Bristol was considered kind of promiscous by her friends?

Brought to you only by the National Enquire - same tabloid that brought you John Edwards - :-)

Posted by: toritto | September 15, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Excelllent. There is little interest in the McCain campaign and enthusiasm for his presidency is sliding toward zero. Only the freakshow glamour of Sarah Palin boosts the crowds for McCain's rallys.

Of course, the sideshows at the circus have lots of traffic too. No votes, but lots of traffic.

Posted by: deedee | September 15, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse


I was at the one in Fort Lauderdale and there were 19,000 people. They had to turn many away who listened from outside. I when to a Mccain town hall meeting. The place had seating from about 300 and it was half full and some even left during the meeting. with all the contrived hoop la, the fact is NO ONE really gives a sh&t about Mccain or his message. They may come ou to see the novelty act but that is about it.

=======

There were empty seats at the Obama stadium shin-dig too.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 11:55 AM

Posted by: pop a smoke | September 15, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe McCains VP pick is finally running out of steam. Maybe its because of All the Scandals surrounding her.

She is accused of Cheating on her husband, with her husbands friend. http://www.theveep.com

What Sarah Palins Church Really Believes.
http://www.hotpres.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Robert Barnes has turned a good reporting opprotunity into a story to thow mud on McCain. Very unprofessional and Robert Barnes should be put on immediate leave if not fired from the post - an otherwise very objective and real reporting newspaper.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

and hes still winning the state by 5 points :).

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, the Art Garfunkle of the GOP ticket.

John McCain, the Tito Jackson of Presidential politics.

John McCain, the Mary Wilson of the Future of the Republican Party.

Posted by: ThingsThatShine | September 15, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The title of your article show your LIBERAL bias "Empty Seats Greet McCain at Fla. Rally" It is no SHOCK that wash post hires LIBERAL-BIASED reporters but it would be good if they could TRY to be a little objective and not thow negative hater speak at the people.

Posted by: Bob Sanmore | September 15, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

This past Saturday I attended the opening of a local Obama campaign office in a sleepy West coast Florida town (heavily Republican) well north of Tampa.

Trust me - nothing much goes on here. Retirees, a smattering of young people, a few upper middle class blacks and vets.

I didn't expect much.

I was amazed when more than 200 folks showed up for the rally in a medical strip mall. Young kids, blacks, lots of old folks and lots of vets.

The guest speaker was Lt. General Claudia Kennedy (first woman to hold the rank, Commander Mast. Sgt. Michelle Jones and Mst Sgt. Jon Estrada, all retired.

I was happy to see the old folks and vets which the pundits would have you believe are in McCain's pocket.

Not this time. Not this year.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 15, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

McShady is at it again with his lying. Loose lips must down airplanes too. lol Where's Carribou Barbie to save the day? lol
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"Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." -- The President of the United States of America - George Bush...

Posted by: quick where's the Mooshunter? | September 15, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

For instance, no one could see from the seats directly behind the Greek columns:

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-08/41948061.jpg

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"The years I was away in prison, the people of Jacksonville and Orange Park took care of my wife and children,''

And he took care of his wife when he returned by leaving her when he found she had been disfigured in an auto accident.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

There were empty seats at the Obama stadium shin-dig too.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

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