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Meetings with Foreign Leaders? Biden's Been There, Done That

By Glenn Kessler
Maybe it's just a coincidence, but after two weeks of requests for a list of the world leaders that Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph R. Biden, Jr., has met with, his office released one -- on the very day GOP vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin met with her first world leaders.

Judging from the eight-page document -- which Biden's office said was only a "partial list" -- Biden has quite a headstart on Palin.

As of September 23, his office says, he has met with the leaders of nearly 60 countries, territories and international organizations (such as the United Nations and NATO.) The list of names runs to about 150 people -- including nine Israeli prime ministers (ten if you including prime minister designate Tzipi Livni), four Soviet leaders and two Russian presidents, a few kings and a queen (of England), Pope John Paul II and the Dalai Lama, and even a few tough guys like Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi and Serbian president Sloban Milosevic.

The complete list provided by Biden's Senate office is below:

As of September 23, 2008

Senator Biden/Meetings with World Leaders

This is a partial list of world leaders that Senator Biden has met with at least once over his nearly 36 year career as a United States Senator. As mentioned, this list is not exhaustive. As chairman of the subcommittees on Europe and Africa earlier in his career, the list is certainly much longer. ****The dates listed indicate when the foreign leader was in office.

Iraq
Prime Minister Iyad Allawi (May 2004 - April 2005)
Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari (April 2005 - May 2006)
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki (April 2006 - Present)
President Jalal Talabani (June 2005 - Present)
Kurdistan Region President Massoud Barzani (June 2005 - Present)
Kurdistan Region Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani (March 2006 - Present)

Israel
Prime Minister Golda Meir (March 1969 - June 1974)
Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin (July 1992 - November 1995)
Prime Minister Shimon Peres (November 1995 - June 1996)
Prime Minister Menachem Begin (June 1977 - October 1983)
Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir (October 1986 - July 1992)
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (June 1996 - July 1999)
Prime Minister Ehud Barak (June 1996 - July 1999)
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (March 2001 - April 2006)
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert (April 2006 - Present)
Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni (January 2006 - present)

Palestinian Territories
Chairman Yasser Arafat (September 1993 - November 2004)
Chairman Mahmoud Abbas (November 2004 - Present)
Prime Minister Dr. Salam Fayyad (June 2007 - Present)
Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei (October 2003 - March 2006)

Jordan
King Hussein (August 1952 - February 1999)
King Abdullah (August 2005-Present)

Egypt
President Hosni Mubarak (October 1981 - Present)
President Anwar Sadat (October1970 - October 1981)

Libya
Prime Minister Col. Muammar Qaddafi (March 1977 - March 1979)

Lebanon
Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri (October 1992 - December 1998)
Prime Minister Najib Mikati (April 2005 - July 2005)

Bahrain
Crown Prince Shaikh Salman bin Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa (March 1999 - Present)

Syria
President Bashar al-Assad (July 2000 - Present)

Turkey
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan (March 2003 - Present)
President Ahmet Sezer (May 2000 - August 2007)
Prime Minister/President* Abdullah Gul (November 2002 - March 2003, Current President)
Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit (January 1999 - May 1999)
Prime Minister Demirel (November 1991 - June 1993)

Greece
President Kostis Stephanopoulos (March 1995 - March 2005)
Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis (March 2004 - Present)
Prime Minister Kostantinos Mitsotakis (April 1990 - October 1993)
Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou (October 1981 - July 1989)
(October 1993 - January 1996)

Cyprus
President George Vassiliou (February 1988 - February 1993)
President Glafcos Clerides (February 1993 - February 2003)

Afghanistan
President Hamid Karzai (December 2001 - Present)

Pakistan
President Asif Ali Zardari (September 2008 - Present)*
Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gillani (March 2008 - Present)
President Pervez Musharraf (June 2001 - August 2008)
Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto (December 1988 - August 1990, October 1993 - November 1996)
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif (November 1990 - July 1993, February 1997 - October 1999)

India
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh (May 2004 - Present)
Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee (May 1996 - June 1996)
(March 1998 - May 2004)

Sri Lanka
Prime Minister Ranil Wickremasinghe (May 1993 - August 1994)
(December 2001 - April 2004)

Russia
President Vladimir Putin (May 2000 - May 2008; current Prime Minister)
President Boris Yeltsin (July 1991 - December 1999)
Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev (March 1990 - December 1991)
Soviet Union President Andrei Gromyko (July 1985 - October 1988)
Premier of the Soviet Union Alexey Kosygin (October 1964 - October 1980)
Premier of the Soviet Union Leonid Brezhnev (May 1960 - July 1964)

France
President Jacques Chirac (May 1995 - May 2007)
Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin (May 2005 - May 2007)
President Francois Mitterrand (May 1981 - May 1995)

U.K.
Queen Elizabeth (February 1952 - Present)
Prime Minister Tony Blair (May 1997 - June 2007)
Prime Minister John Major (November 1990 - May 1997)
Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher (May 1979 - November 1990)

Ireland
Prime Minister Bertie Ahern (June 1997 - Present)
Prime Minister John Bruton (December 1994 - June 1997)
Prime Minister Albert Reynolds (February 1992 - December 1994)
Prime Minister Charles Haughey (December 1979 - June 1981)
(March 1982 - December 1982)
(March 1987 - February 1992)

Germany
Chancellor Angela Merkel (November 2005 - Present)
Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder (October 1998 - November 2005)
Chancellor Helmut Kohl (October 1982 - October 1998)
Chancellor Helmut Schmidt (May 1974 - October 1982)

Italy
Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi (June 2001 - May 2006)
(May 2008 - Present)
Prime Minister Romano Prodi (May 2006 - May 2008)
Prime Minister Cossiga (July 1989 - April 1992)

Serbia
President of Serbia Boris Tadic (July 2004 - Present)
Prime Minister of Serbia Vojislav Kostunica (March 2004 - Present)
Prime Minister of Serbia Zoran Djindjic (January 2001 - March 2003)
President of Serbia Slobodan Milosevic (May 1989 - July 1997)

Yugoslavia
Premier of Yugoslavia Josip Broz Tito (January 1953 - May 1980)

Croatia
President of Croatia Franjo Tudjman (May 1990 - December 1999)

Slovenia
Prime Minister of Slovenia Janez Drnovsek (December 2002 - Present)
President of Kosovo Ibrahim Rugova (March 2002 - January 2006)
President of Slovenia Milan Kucan (October 1991 - December 2002)

Bosnia and Herzegovina
President of Bosnia Haris Silajdzic (November 2006 - Present)
President of Bosnia Sulejman Tihić (October 2002 - November 2006)
President of Bosnia Alija Izetbegovic (March 1992 - October 2000)

Kosovo (as an independent nation)
President Fatmir Sejdiu (January 2008 - Present)
Prime Minister Hashim Thaci (January 2008 - Present)

Poland
President Lech Walesa (December 1990 - December 1995)
Prime Minister Wlodzimierz Cimoszewicz (October 1993 - March 1995)

Czech Republic
President Vaclav Havel (February 1993 - February 2003)

Hungary
Prime Minister Gyula Horn (July 1994 - July 1998)
President Arpad Goncz (August 1990 - August 2000)
Prime Minister Viktor Orban (July 1998 - May 2002)

Finland
Prime Minister Paavo Lipponen (April 1995 - April 2003)

Romania
President Ion Iliescu (December 1989 - November 1996)

Georgia
President Mikheil Saakashvili (January 2004 - Present)
President Eduard Shevardnadze (October 1995 - November 2003)

Kazakhstan
President Nursultan Nazarbayev (December 1991 - Present)

Ukraine
President Viktor Yushchenko (January 2005 - Present)

Canada
Prime Minister Paul Martin (December 2003 - February 2006)
Prime Minister Brian Mulroney (September 1984 - June 1993)

NATO
Secretary General Lord George Robertson (October 1999 - January 2004)
Secretary General Javier Solana (December 1995 - October 1999)
Secretary General Manfred Woerner (July 1988 - August 1994)
Secretary General Lord Peter Carrington (June 1984 - July 1988)

China
President Jiang Zemin (March 1993 - March 2003)
Premier Zhu Rongji (March 1998 - March 2003)

Hong Kong
Chief Executive Tung Chee Hwa (July 1997 - March 2005)

Taiwan
President Chen Shui-Bian (May 2000 - Present)

Korea
President Kim Dae Jung (February 1998 - February 2003)

Singapore
Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew (June 1959 - November 1990)
Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong (November 1990 - August 2004)
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong (August 2004 - Present)

Indonesia
President Megawati Sukarnoputri (July 2001 - October 2004)
President Bambang Yudhoyono (October 2004 - Present)

Australia
Prime Minister John Howard (March 1996 - December 2007)
Prime Minister Paul Keating (December 1991 - March 1996)

Philippines
President Gloria Arroyo (January 2001 - Present)
President Fidel Ramos (June 1992 - June 1998)

Vietnam
Prime Minister Phan Van Kai (September 1997 - June 2006)

East Timor
President Ramos Horta (May 2007 - Present)

Tibet
The Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso (1950 - Present)

Colombia
President Alvaro Uribe (August 2002 - Present)
President Andres Pastrana (August 1998 - August 2002)
President Cesar Gaviria (August 1990 - August 1994)

Mexico
President Vincente Fox (December 2000 - December 2006)
President Ernesto Zedillo (December 1994 - November 2000)

Bolivia
President Jaime Paz Zamora (August 1989 - August 1993)

South Africa
President Thabo Mbeki (June 1999 - September 2008)
President Nelson Mandela (April 1994 - June 1999)

Liberia
President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf (January 2006 - Present)

Lesotho
Prime Minister Leabua Jonathan (July 1965 - January 1986)

United Nations
Secretary General Ban Ki-moon (January 2007 - Present)
Secretary General Kofi Annan (January 1997 - January 2007)
Secretary General Boutros Boutros Ghali (January 1992 - January 1997)

Vatican City
Pope John Paul II (October 1978 - April 2005)

Slovakia
President Rudolf Schuster (June 1999 - June 2004)

Turkmenistan
President Saparmurat Niyazov (October 1990 - December 2006)

*Senator Biden met with leader before he or she became head of state.

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Comments

Just a correction to one of the earliest comments. Josip Broz "Tito" was, in fact, the Prime Minister of Yugoslavia, although later he became the President - during the time in which Biden met him. Also, as for Hashim Thaci, President Bush also met him.

Biden also has spoken with a number of Prime Ministers/Presidents of Serbia proper - which is also in the list above, so I fail to see how he "didn't meet with Serbs there."

Posted by: Tito Prime Minister | September 25, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Premier Josip Broz Tito. "Premier" is used as a general term for "head of state", which Tito most certainly was. The name of his office changed several times while he held it. If you're going to pick at details, at least be thorough.
Also, what Serb leaders should he have met in Bosnia? Biljana Plavsic? Mladic? Karadzic? Get real.

Posted by: fedj | September 25, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

He met with known terrorist Hashim Thaci from Kosovo, person which killed thousands of Serbs! He met with muslim leaders in Bosnia, but he never met Serbian leaders there? Finally, he says that he met with Tito, "prime minister of Yugoslavia"!? Tito was never prime minister. Are there other "mistakes" (ignorance) in this list? So much about foreign policy credentials - Biden is bias and ill informed.

Posted by: miconi | September 25, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I find the fact that Sarah Palin is running for VP shows the best and worst of the USA. It shows what a land of opportunity the USA is when a hockey mom with dubious professional integrity who has has failed as a parent, whose experience of the world is so limited that she has to include stopovers as foreign trips. The above also shows the worst of the USA.

Posted by: J Cooke | September 25, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

The Taiwan President has change since May 2008 (Elected a new one).

Posted by: Daniel | September 25, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

No doubt about it. Obama is clearly the lesser of the two evils.

Jiff
www.anonweb.eu.tc

Posted by: James Amson | September 25, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Add one foreign dignitary: FDR, while Joe was sticking his head inside the 1929 TV that existed. I guess....

Posted by: Danno | September 24, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Brian Cowen is the present "Prime Minsiter" of Ireland not Bertie Ahern. Ahern resigned on 7 May 2008. I do not now if any candidate has met with him.

Posted by: Brendan O'Connell | September 24, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

ugh! Rethugs out in force tonight eh?

Posted by: christiano | September 24, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

thank god mccain canceled the debate - i can't wait to see him put his tried-and-true economic bailout plan into action:

"we'll just marrier a younger, richer nation"

Palin agrees that it's a good plan, because "i can see a bank from my house."

Posted by: Riot | September 24, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that is quite a list. You would think that he could of gotten something done with all of those meetings? NOT!!!

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: DC MOM | September 24, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

At least Biden is smart enough to not go to a meeting with the head of a muslim country and flash his gams. At the least it shows ignorance of any cultural knowledge and at best it is stupid. Condi knows.

Now if McCain had picked Rudi then he might have to worry.

Posted by: usa3 | September 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

MULTI-MILLIONAIRE DONALD TRUMP BOASTING ABOUT...THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO BUY PROPERTY.

Posted by: EVANNA | September 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

So what if Biden has met a lot of foreign dignitaries?

Posted by: JAPS | September 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Time warp, brain warp!

Hey he is only a heartbeat away....

Didn't Al Gore invent TV. Oh, I'm sorry, that was the internet.

Hillary, call Obama now!

http://www.bop-o-rama.com

Posted by: Time Warp! | September 24, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Let those who are actually concerned with peace observe that capitalism gave mankind the longest period of peace in history—a period during which there were no wars involving the entire civilized world—from the end of the Napoleonic wars in 1815 to the outbreak of World War I in 1914.
Posted by: Josh
Longest peace, other than:
The Prusso-Russian War, 1826-28
The Carlist Wars, 1833–76
The Texas Revolution, 1835-36
The Canadian Rebellion, 1836-38
The Central America Civil War, 1838-1840
The Uruguayan Civil War, 1839-51
The Opium Wars, 1839-1860
The Dominican War of Independence, 1844
The New Zealand Land Wars, 1845-72
The Mexican-American War, 1846-48
The Yucatan Caste War, 1848
The European Revolutions, of 1848
The Taiping Rebellion, 1851-64
The Crimean War, 1854-56
The Indian Rebellion, 1857-58
The American Civil War, 1861-65
The Muslim Rebellion, 1862-77
The Polish Uprising, 1863-65
The Chincha Islands War, 1864-66
The War of the Triple Alliance, 1864-70
The Austro-Prussian War, 1866
The Franco-Prussian War, 1870-71
The Bulgarian Revolt, 1876
The Russo-Turkish War, 1877-78
The Anglo-Zulu War, 1879
The First Boer War, 1880-81
The Mahdist War, 1881-89
The Sino-French War, 1884-85
The Russian-Circassian War, 1886
The Wounded Knee Massacre, 1890
The 1st Sino-Chinese War, 1894-95
The 1st Italo–Ethiopian War, 1895-96
The Spanish-American War, 1898
The Boxer Rebellion, 1898-1900
The 1000 days War, 1898-1902
The 2nd Boer War, 1899-1902
The Philippine-American War, 1899-1913
The Russo-Japanese War, 1905

But as they didn’t involve the ‘entire’ world we can ignore them can’t we and claim it was a loving peaceful time to be had by all and pretend it was all because of capitalism.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Does Joe Biden Know How They Spelled POTATO in 1929?

Politico
September 23, 2008
Categories: Joe Biden

Biden garbles Depression history

Joe Biden's denunciation of his own campaign's ad to Katie Couric got so much attention last night that another odd note in the interview slipped by.

He was speaking about the role of the White House in a financial crisis.

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed," Biden told Couric. "He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"

As Reason's Jesse Walker footnotes it: "And if you owned an experimental TV set in 1929, you would have seen him. And you would have said to yourself, 'Who is that guy? What happened to President Hoover?'"


Posted by: Scott | September 24, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

John I need depends on the campaign trail mccain is the least experienced on foreign policy. Temper temper George Will pointed out in an op ed article. http://realclearpolitics.com

Posted by: monkeyshine | September 24, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

No Ted I've never been to Alaska but you are right me using Lisbon was dumb.
The joke is still funny tho and Joe Biden does know a heckuva lot of people.

Posted by: wallygator | September 24, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I'm impressed with Biden's extensive foreign relations.

Posted by: maxx | September 24, 2008 5:59 AM | Report abuse

The one very important "foreign policy" question I want John McCain to answer, is "why did you sabotage the investigation into what happened to the nearly 900 missing in action United States soldiers in Laos and Viet-Nam"

Please read the damning article by a pulitzer prize winning war correspondent about his involvement with this cover up.

http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1

I would love to see this asked of him during the debate. His head would literally explode.

Viet-Nam Veteran.

Posted by: Veterans against McCain | September 24, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

"Palin has more than 10 years, running a city and now a state." James

James,

please. Sarah Palin didn't "run" anything. She was mayor for six years of a small town with fewer people than many high schools. She hired a city manager because she knew nothing about budgets and finance. She fired all the experienced staffers and put her unqualified friends in their place.

She left the town in over $20,000,000 in debt. It had a balanced budget before her.

As a short term Governor, she was mostly absent from the Capital in Juneau- she traveled home to Wasilla for 300 days the first year- charging the taxpayers per diem for her meals at home.

The President of the United States is not "an executive" just because he/she is in charge of the Executive branch. There are thousands of staffers, cabinet leaders, and departments who are "executives. The President is a leader who makes decisions effecting the whole world, and must be knowledgeable about national and international issues. Sarah Palin knows nothing.

If you want "executive" experience, my county dog catcher runs a department with more employees than Sarah's town of Wasilla. He also went to a better college, and knows plenty about maintaining a balanced budget

Posted by: Shelley | September 24, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Troopergate saga continues, can you say impartial? (part 1)

"Sarah Palin initially welcomed the investigation of accusations that she dismissed the state's public safety commissioner because he refused

to fire her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper. "Hold me accountable," she said.

But she has increasingly opposed it since Republican presidential candidate John McCain tapped her as his running mate. The McCain campaign

dispatched a legal team to Alaska including O'Callaghan, a former top U.S. terrorism prosecutor from New York to bolster Palin's local

lawyer.

McCain-Palin presidential campaign spokesman Ed O'Callaghan announced today that Todd Palin would not appear, because he no longer believes

the Legislature's investigation is legitimate.

Sen. Bill Wielechowski, D-Anchorage, said the McCain campaign is doing all it can to prevent the Legislature from completing a report on

whether the GOP's vice presidential nominee abused her power as governor."
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/530493.html


"Campaign spokesmen said Thursday that while the governor is resisting the legislative investigation, she is cooperating with a separate

inquiry the state Personnel Board is conducting.
The board, and not the Legislature, is the proper authority to look into Monegan's dismissal, they said."
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/530885.html


"But Palin's state-hired attorney Thomas Van Flein said the matter should be taken up by the state's personnel board. Van Flein and Palin

have asked the three members to resolve the dispute over the firing.

The board's members are appointed by the governor. One of the three, Debra English, was re-appointed by Palin in January. The other two

members - Laura Plenert and Alfred Tamagni, Sr - have served since 2004 and 2006, respectively."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/06/politics/main4422385.shtml

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Troopergate saga continues, can you say impartial? (part 2)

"Tamgani donated $400 to Palin for her 2006 race for Governor."
http://www.followthemoney.org/database/StateGlance/contributor.phtml?d=536479826


So her self appointed board, with at least one contributore to her past campaign is impartial?

I wonder what if any relationship the board members have to Palin as Palin is known for appointing her frineds to government positions.


"So when there was a vacancy at the state Agriculture Department, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the

$95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the

roughly $2 million agency.

Ms. Havemeister was one of at least five high school classmates Ms. Palin hired, often at salaries far exceeding their private sector wages."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-palin_14pol.ART.State.Edition1.26e9372.html


Also it looks like at least one board member shares Palin's depth of experience.


"PLENERT, LAURA
Food & Beverage, MCDONALDS OF KETCHIKAN, RESTAURANT MANAGER, MCDONALDS, AK, 2002 1 $500"

http://www.followthemoney.org/database/search.phtml?searchbox=Laura+Plenert

"Republican campaign officials indicated they are done answering questions about an investigation into Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of her public safety commissioner Tuesday, citing a request by a state investigator."

"He has asked to keep things confidential, so we will respect those wishes," campaign spokeswoman Meg Stapleton told reporters.

Palin has dropped an earlier pledge to cooperate with a probe by the state Legislature, with aides arguing it has been "tainted" by partisan politics since she became Sen. John McCain's running mate. But Stapleton said Palin's lawyers have agreed to "general parameters of immediate cooperation" with the investigation she requested from the state Personnel Board, which has hired Anchorage lawyer Timothy Petumenos to
conduct the inquiry."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

"Come on,says Joe and off we went to Spain.When we landed in Lisbon we were greeted by President Zapatero," wallygator

wallygator,

you must have gone to the same school as Sarah Palin. Are you that ignorant that you think Lisbon is in Spain?

Try Madrid as the capital of Spain. John McCain also had trouble with knowing exactly who Zapatero was and where he was from. He confused him with just another person who he didn't want to deal with.

Arrogant ignorance.

McCain diplomacy- Ready, Fire, Aim.

He's a cruel hoax and Sarah is his attempted bad joke on the American public.

Posted by: Ted | September 24, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama chose what is best for America, McCain chose what's best for himself. Bill Clinton's line but I sure would like to hear Obama use it against McCain. That might inflame him.

Posted by: Co Mander | September 24, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Debt Service Increased 69 Percent Under Palin. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the total government debt service was $658,662. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—the debt service was $390,385. The increase was 69 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, Table 1]

Palin Left Behind Almost $19 Million In Long-Term Debt, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the bonded long-term debt was $18,635,000. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—there was no general obligation debt. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, Table 10]

Long-Term Debt Was $3000 Per Capita When Palin Left, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the bonded long-term debt per capita was $2,938. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—there was no general obligation debt. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, Table 10]

When Palin Left Office, 6.24% of Government Spending Was On Debt Service, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the ratio of debt service to general government expenditures was 6.24 percent. There was no long-term debt before she took office. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, Table 11]

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

"Palin Still Using Bridge To Nowhere Money To Build Bridge To Nowhere"

"Peter Feldman, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, did not respond directly to questions about whether Palin was aware that the project had begun anew or that $73 million in federal funds had been set aside for it. "The fact is that once Governor Palin was elected and had an opportunity to look closely at the project, she killed it," he said in an e-mailed statement. "She fought for Congress to kill the provision, but they sent the funds anyway. Palin fired the kill shot by not using a dime of that money on the bridge." Gov. Palin’s state office referred questions about the project to Alaska's DOT ..."

"By the time Gov. Palin entered office at the end of 2006, it was clearly unlikely that Congress would ever approve the funds necessary to complete the project. So in September 2007, Gov. Palin announced (PDF) that the state would no longer proceed with the $398 million bridge design, but she did not end the project, instead directing the DOT to look for the "most fiscally responsible alternative." ..."

"A breakdown (PDF) provided by the Alaska DOT of the approximately $80 million in federal funds used on other projects shows that about half the money has so far been spent on 18 smaller projects ranging in cost from $140,000 spent on highway "scenic enhancements" to an $8.4 million highway project. About half of the funds remain to be used on other projects."

http://www.zimbio.com/Sarah+Palin/articles/1033/Palin+Still+Using+Bridge+Nowhere+Money+Build


Link to breakdown PDF

http://www.zimbio.com/pilot?ZURL=%2FSarah%2BPalin%2Farticles%2F1033%2FPalin%2BStill%2BUsing%2BBridge%2BNowhere%2BMoney%2BBuild&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fpropublica%2Fassets%2Fdocs%2Falaska_project_chart.pdf

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

To the Anonymous poster at the top who noted:
"Private property is the basis for individual rights."

I would point you to Sarah Palin's record on the issue. As Mayor of Wasilla she worked to have a hockey rink built. The favored site was private property and was offered for sale to the city for $125,000 (then market value). She chose to have the city take the land citing Eminent Domain rather than pay the value.

According to the Anchorage Daily News ("End in sight on lawsuit over sports center land" July 25th 2008) the city has just lost the final appeal over that seizure. At the present time the city looks like it will pay at least 1.5 million dollars for the land (likely more pending a different case still making its way through the courts) not counting lawyer's fees.

So however you feel about Biden's belief in private property the fact of the matter is that Palin's record is terrible. Indeed her little stunt with the rink allowed her to take a city with a large budget surplus and leave it a city in debt.

Posted by: Alaskan | September 24, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

People better wake up.

Palin=Bush=McCain=Chaney. Listen to Hannity and limbaugh if you want to. Radio talk show big wigs don't have the same day to day issues as the fools that listen to them do. They talk about oil, but take a limo to work. You punch a clock they make more in a day then most make in a year. They can't relate to your problems, they don't give a damn about their listeners.

Posted by: brock101 | September 24, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

I just can't help myself!

Its true, I'm scared.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md0-YN7DiIs

We ex rangers who place 4th in the Olympic trials and Fight in MMA as a hobby are scared of mixed martial typists and islamofacists on the internet

Posted by: Josh | September 24, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

What James in Texas meant to say:

"Palin has more than 10 years, running a city and now a state"... with the single largest amount of earmarks and pork compared to any of the other 49 states, and a puny population to boot. That bridge to nowhere really was to nowhere. Palin was for it, and kept the money too.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 24, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden told me he knows everybody.I said come on Joe you can't know everybody.
Joe said come on I'll prove it to you.We flew to London and went to the palace where we were met by Queen Elizabeth who welcomed him warmly.
Ok Joe so you know the Queen but you still can't know everybody,I said.Come on,says Joe and off we went to Spain.When we landed in Lisbon we were greeted by President Zapatero, He thanked Joe for coming and asked,Whats wrong with McCain nowdays? Joe just shook his head.
Well I see you know the President of Spain, but come on Joe, everybody?Lets go he said.
Off we went to the Vatican where we got separated.I was watching a parade and I asked the man next to me,Who is that in the cart? I don't know the guy in White he said, but that's Joe Biden with him!

Posted by: wallygator | September 24, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

James in texas

Palin is a joke. George Will had it right John McCain don't have what it take to be President. His temper is off the chart. Palin is the veep the race is between mccain and obama. I think the palin factor is taking a nose dive. I don't give a damn about hockey mom. The stakes are to high to pussy foot around.

Posted by: brock101 | September 24, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Biden still has no executive experience. Palin has more than 10 years, running a city and now a state. That makes her more qualified as VP. Obama had zero foreign affairs experience until a few weeks ago.

Posted by: James in Texas | September 24, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Good night Josh-boy. Watch out for Islamofacist terrorists hiding under your bed.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

KATEE IS A ABUSED PERSON...

Posted by: POLICE | September 24, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Aww we scared him away! Goodnight Josh, I enjoyed our debate.

Posted by: Patrik | September 24, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

KATIE AND HER HUSBAND TALKING OUT THE SIDE OF THEIR NECK.

WISH UPON ON OTHERS...SKUNKY BEER!

Posted by: KATIE'S DAD | September 24, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Ben, pretty good conspiracy theory except the part where we don't have Iraq's oil.

Patrick, its not made up, its a synopsis of information and history lessons I don't feel like educating you on since you hate this country and wouldn't change your mind no matter what evidence was presented before you.

Dave, I'll stick with the published work of respected experts until they are proven wrong. And btw, no one was "suggesting" I was ignorant. They saying it ; )

Good night liberals, I will gladly put you in the throws of logic and reason tomorrow.

Posted by: Josh | September 24, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

but can he see russia from his house

Posted by: Bill J | September 24, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

One is the lonelies number that you'll ever use!

two could be bad as one...Mcbush/Palin!

Posted by: three dog night | September 24, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

A link from the "American Solutions for the Future" right wing hack web site extraordinaire Josh??? Puleeze, tell Newt I said yo. Josh you suck.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 24, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

dbj1, Nah, I don't think so.

Posted by: usa3 | September 24, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

The lefts phobia of Sarah Palin results from the success of a woman who rejects the radical feminism that arose out of the New Left's misogyny.

It goes against everything they've ever been taught.

Posted by: dbj1 | September 24, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Josh

You just made that up. The article I linked clearly states 40 companies from countries around the world were vying for those contracts, but they went to the US on a no bid basis.

And it looks like you are running out of gas. You refute cited information with suspect "facts", and the remainder of your post is ad hominem attacks.

It's okay little buddy, just go flip on Fox News and slowly rock yourself back into a mindless Republican zealot. Nobody threatened your understanding of the world! Shhhh, it'll be okay.

Posted by: Patrick | September 24, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

And once again, where is the oil that those companies are stealing from the Iraqis?
Prove that the U.S. is taking it or STFU

Posted by: Josh
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Bush attacked Iraq with the intent of creating a friendly regime that would allow us to establish a long-term military presence in the middle east and ensure access to oil.

That's it. The neo cons believed that was a strategy vital to our national interests. I would have respected the administration if it would have been upfront about that and had a national discussion, but they couldn't do that. So they treated the US citizenry like children and made up a WMD story, then switched to an Al Queda story, then switched a democracy story, etc. Surprise, surprise, lots of our fellow citizens fell for it.

In the end, it was all about oil. Remember, Afghanistan is where Al Queda was but we didn't occupy that country. No oil there.

Posted by: Ben | September 24, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Josh,

It seems you are as ignorant as several others are suggesting here.

You can take the exert from the Rand study on face value if you wish, I'll stand by my own research and the research of my peers. Shell has only done small scale testing and many in the field don't believe they have shown it will scale up the way they hope it will.

Try to understand we are talking about massive amounts of steam being injected into the rock either in closed system heaters or in an open system. Steam requires what? Oh yeah, energy. It's like corn ethanol, it is a lousy deal because the carbon footprint to produce it is greater the the energy you derive from it. But politically as a support system for mega-farmers who only know how to grow corn it is a sweet deal.

Posted by: Dave | September 24, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

Gladly although my knuckles have a hard time cutting and pasting and caring enough to discover the facts for myself. Unlike yourself.

MYTH: Oil companies currently have 68 million acres of leased public lands that contain large amounts of economically recoverable oil available. Drilling in these areas could generate 4.8 million barrels a day so opening up more land is not necessary.

FACT: The estimates on the amount of oil available in those 68 million acres have been derived by assuming that the unused acres can produce the same amount as those acres being used. However, much of the land leased to oil companies has already been explored and determined not to carry enough recoverable oil to justify drilling. This is in stark contrast to the other 97% of currently banned offshore resources and areas with shale oil, where enormous quantities are known to exist.

http://www.americansolutions.com/General/?Page=9d64a628-d028-48c1-840d-330aea987841

Posted by: Josh | September 24, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Hello, It's me Barrak. I'm so...uhh...qualified to be...umm...you know, umm...president. You know, 'cause...ummm...I've...I've been a community organizer for like...uhh...20 years and stuff. Like, that is so much more...uhh...qualified...than a governor of a state...umm...right?

HAHAHA, DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS!

Posted by: Obama | September 24, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Hello, It's me Barrak. I'm so...uhh...qualified to be...umm...you know, umm...president. You know, 'cause...ummm...I've...I've been a community organizer for like...uhh...20 years and stuff. Like, that is so much more...uhh...qualified...than a governor of a state...umm...right?

Posted by: Obama | September 24, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

No thanks Dave!

It sounds like it may be a bad deal since the information I just posted sort of ruins your thesis.

Do you ever back up any of these claims you make? I hope you did in your paper.

Posted by: Josh | September 24, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

...those have largely been determined to not have viable amounts of retrievable oil.
Posted by: Josh
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Link??? Prove it knuckledragger.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Patrick,

Here's how pissed I am. I'm laughing at how stupid you are.

There are two companies with the capabilities to rebuild the oil production infrastructure in Iraq, one is owned by the French Government, the other is Haliburton owned largely by American shareholders.

That is why there was no bid.

As far as the "zillions" of acres leased by oil companies, those have largely been determined to not have viable amounts of retrievable oil. The figures you and your ilk use to make that argument is that you simply extrapolate what currently producing acres yield and then just multiply.

Idiots like you do not know better than the engineers who actually do that for a living.

How do you like them facts?

And once again, where is the oil that those companies are stealing from the Iraqis?
Prove that the U.S. is taking it or STFU

Posted by: Josh | September 24, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again.
Posted by: dbj1
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Did Reagan just fart from beyond the grave? Whoops! No, it's just another deluded McCain/Palin supporter. That's all!

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 24, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Dave: funny you should use the term hothead, that's McCain's nickname!

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/US_Elections_2008/0,,2-10-2339_2272209,00.html

Posted by: Patrick | September 24, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Well Josh,

I have read about it and researched it and gone out in the field and studied the geology first hand since it was part of my thesis. I'd be glad to sell you a copy if you like.

Posted by: Dave | September 24, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Katee,

Unless the Russians care to end all life on the planet as we know it, I wouldn't be too worried about it at this point. Concerned sure, but worried? No.

This is a bit of a different situation than say the Cuba missile crisis since it isn't about permanent installations of ICBMs or CBMs. Consider the Russians face this same situation from our Navy all of the time, but so far WWIII hasn't started thank G-d. They don't call it MAD for nothing although the whole premise is rather ridiculous, it only takes one hothead to change it.

Posted by: Dave | September 24, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again.

The left will claim fraud when the GOP wins the presidency again.

Posted by: dbj1 | September 24, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Dave,

Perhaps you should learn about this mysterious technology. Read below and educate yourself.

MYTH: Drilling for unconventional sources, such as tar sands or shale oil, is too costly and creates a large carbon footprint, among other environmental problems.

FACT: The aforementioned RAND study demonstrated that if the price of a barrel of oil was as “high” as $90, current technology would make oil shale competitive in the market. With a barrel of oil approaching $140, the notion that extracting oil from shale is too expensive is simply untrue.

The environmental footprint argument would make more sense were it not for recent innovations by companies like Shell Oil, which has developed an in-situ method for extracting shale oil that would use relatively little water and does not involve making creators on wide portions of land. Instead, heating rods are stuck into the earth that heat the shale and then oil falls into a pool below to be collected. It should also be noted that early research suggests this method could be competitive even if oil was as cheap as $25 per barrel.

However, opponents of oil drilling are blocking further attempts to innovate through an amendment to an omnibus spending bill from December that prevents any further leasing on public lands with oil shale.

It is telling that opponents to greater U.S. exploration would choose to block shale oil development through a rider to a several hundred page spending bill instead of through separate legislation that could be debated purely on the merits of the specific proposal.

Posted by: Josh | September 24, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Not to mention NO BID CONTRACTS Josh. Oh someone just did, thanks :)

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 24, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html

For the first time in 36 years American Oil companies tap Iraqi wells in NO BID contracts.

My God Josh, all these facts have GOT to be pissing you off.

Posted by: Patrick | September 24, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

... we haven't been able to drill for oil or extract the shale oil because your precious liberals have passed outdated environmental laws that keep the U.S. dependent on foreign oil.
Posted by: Josh

You're such a moronic hack Josh. Some of those thousands of acres of leased land for Big Oil drilling *should* be under some kind of conservative protection. Big Oil has got plenty of leases, let them drill to their hearts desire on the other zillion acres they have leased out. Why are you so fuching whiny? Oh, you're a 2X Bush voter, I almost forgot.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 24, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

I am not kidding. My husband just read this in the news.

Posted by: Katee | September 24, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Patrick,

Again, in this reality you seem so fond of talking about, it sometimes takes more than six years for problems to reach their logical conclusion. People have been calling for drilling here for more than 30 years.

Where's all that oil we raped and pillaged from Iraq? Europe receives most of Iraq's oil little guy.

Posted by: Josh | September 24, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Katee, I think you should go watch Dr. Strangelove (again?) and then ask yourself the same question.

Posted by: usa3 | September 24, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

FLORIDA: Sometimes war is necessary. It is something you can't get around. As we speak so freely on this board there is a Russian ship headed for Venezuala with 20 Nuclear war heads on it. I suspect they are meant to worry us. My question is this, If Obama were president at this moment and we are being threatened would he know what to do right away or would he say give me a couple of days to speak with my aids and then I will have an answer. Scary thought!

Posted by: Katee | September 24, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

That's so weird, because I just posted a source quoting history from a book and you claimed it wasn't recent enough. Then I asked for a source and you said "history", Then you just did a little name calling.

Typical Liberal

As for Australia, you make an excellent reference. I was more familiar with England's taxes system and cost of living....

I say you ought to go live in Australia. Good for you!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

THATS 4,150+ AMERICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS. I DON'T WANT TO DIE! I WANT TO LIVE TO RAISE MY CHILDREN. END THE WAR MCCAIN...PLEASE SAY YOU ARE GOING TO END THE WAR...PLEASE!

Posted by: U.S. SOLDIER | September 24, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Josh,

While you are reading history as another suggested, you might also want to learn about geology. The oil shales are very difficult to extract economically since they require large energy inputs to be able to extract the oil. Then the shale oils require more refining than most crude oils which adds additional costs.

It has nothing to do with environmental regulations at this phase, it has everything to do with economics

Posted by: Dave | September 24, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Biden is gold and Palin is silver. I like gold better than silver. Palin is trying to be gold like others but she can't be. She is just a cheap coin that flip-plopping like McCain.

Posted by: goldieluck | September 24, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Josh my walking talking ball of ignorance,

YOUR PARTY controlled congress and the presidency for 6 straight nightmarish years, but "the liberals have blah blah blah."

Suck it up. You lose.

Posted by: Patrick | September 24, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Patrick my little friend, we haven't been able to drill for oil or extract the shale oil because your precious liberals have passed outdated environmental laws that keep the U.S. dependent on foreign oil. It is estimated to cost around 100 dollars per barrel to retrieve shale oil. Some estimates go as low as 25 dollars.

Circusmonkey, I'm so stupid I would rather pay an American company a gouged price than spend it overseas.

What was your plan for energy independence again?

Posted by: Josh | September 24, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

ARE YOU DISREPECTING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND SARAH PALIN?

OR ARE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DISRESPECTING YOU, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH THIS 700 BILLION BAIL OUT FOR WALL STREET REPUBLICAN CRONIES?

ARE AMERICANS SO IDIOTIC TO BELIEVE JUST LIKE WE BELIEVE BUSH'S ADMINSTATION'S WEAPON'S OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON WHICH IS A FACT...MCCAIN VOTED FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ AND NOW WE HAVE 4,150+ DEAD U.S. SOLDIERS.

Posted by: FLORIDA | September 24, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 11:28 PM

"What do those countries' citizens pay in taxes again?"

I'll take Australia as an example on income tax (effective tax rates).

$6,001 – $34,000 = 0% – 12.3%
$34,001 – $80,000 = 12.3% – 22.5%
$80,001 – $180,000 = 22.5% – 32%
Over $180,000 = 32% – 45%

Now lets look at some other figures;

Minimum wage in Australia = $AU13.47
Minimum wage in the U.S = $US5.15

AU Median household income = $AU53,404
USA Median household income = $US48,000

Now consider is cost around US$12,100 to provide health insurance for a family of four in the U.S

Compared to Australia having it provided to every individual for free.

You do the math, i think we know who comes out on top.

"Socialism has been slowly taking over, I guess I probably do sound crazy to someone who doesn't know anything about what this country was based upon."

The founding fathers are rolling in their graves at the mess the GOP has gotten this country into. You should be ashamed of your party, and for repeatedley voting them in.

Everyone knows the GOP's "tax cuts" only help the top 2% in this country. For everyone else (middle & lower class) it's a bait n' switch. But because most people in the U.S are not well educated, they don't see that they are being bamboozled.

Posted by: Ryan | September 23, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Josh,

Source? It's called history, you know, in books. Read books and you might actually learn something. As they say, learn from history or repeat its mistakes.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 23, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Jackass.
Posted by: Josh
***************

And I'm saying, go right the hell ahead. Vote for McSame. Furthermore I'm not going to waste my damn time going tit for tat with a die hard winger. I'd rather just call you an moron and be done with it.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 23, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh brother,

Source? oh you have none.

Capitalism is what gives people individual rights. It is inherent in every free state.

Historically Republics and Democracies do not generally attack one another for the very reasons previously listed as virtues of capitalism.

Therefore, you sir, are the one who speaks poppycock.

Next please.

Therefore

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey people, stop talking about God. Stop using the name of God in vain. Does McCain and Palin's God taught them how to lie? What kind of God do they have? Was it Satan? God is for truth, and Satan is for lies. Well,as we guess they pray to Satan.

Posted by: goldieluck | September 23, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Not everyone that wants to protect animal species and is against the death penalty is pro choice.

Don't stereotype people like that. Some of us believe all life is precious... And are liberal Democrats.

Posted by: liz.coronella | September 23, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Lucy, yes liberals believe in God, if they choose. Just not the one that, strangely enough, holds the same social views as George Bush, that conservatives are pushing down America's throat.

Bob,

Thanks for the honest reply. I don't think I want the liberal social views pushed down my throat either.

Posted by: lucy | September 23, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Josh

Sadly, there is this little thing called EROEI, and that, my dear friend, means your precious shale ain't so very precious. In fact, it's difficult enough to extract that it is possibly even cost prohibitive! Perhaps your free market (which you threw out the window as soon as your stocks started tumbling, right?) might actually do some good, and choose a higher EROEI renewable!

And lets not forget ANWR and offshore wells are blips on the global graph of oil production.

Oh and the SPR would last WEEKS assuming a MODEST (5-7% drop) in global oil production.

And finally: The US imports 60-70% of its oil. If shale was SO FRICKING EASY, why the hell are we spending $120.00 a barrel on it?

Posted by: Patrick | September 23, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh. Yay. Segue to an abortion argument. Here's a thought: pro-lifers aren't saying freedoms aren't important, and pro-choicers aren't saying abortion is a good thing. How about a policy that focuses on identifying the reasons people get abortions, which I suspect to link to fears about resources, health, etc..., and reduce the actual number of abortions without trying to enforce something 50% of the country doesn't think should be a crime? Here's an alternate thought from a more conservative vein: if Roe v Wade was overturned, it wouldn't make abortion illegal, it would just return the power to the state governments to make laws that reflect the moral and ethical beliefs of the state populations. I'm sure abortion would still be legal in Massachusetts and California, and illegal in Alabama and Georgia, for example. Now... could any of those states really cope with that, and if not, how come we don't seem to have an issue with Canada?

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

> Could you please explain to me why it is so important to you that wild life be protected but yet it is fine to kill an unborn child?

I'm not one of them, exactly, but I believe they'd tell you that an unborn child isn't yet "human" in the time before it has a brain. Though they tend to be in favor of abortion at any time until then on the belief that the mother has rights over the child because it's still dependent on her body.

As for the wildlife, they're worried that environmental damage will eventually escalate until we're all dead. But yes, some really do believe that an ape should have more rights than an 8-cell human blastocyst.

Posted by: Z | September 23, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Josh

How stupid are you? So big oil companies are going to start doing right by the american people?

Posted by: circus monkey | September 23, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't meant to be a surprise.

If McSame means lowering taxes, protecting the country from violent radical islam and becoming independent of foreign oil. Then yes, I'm all for McSame.

If I'm a "breed of Moron" I'd like to see you refute a single thing I've said or written. Which you still haven't done or can't.

If you can't then I believe that gives me the privilege of name calling.

Except, I haven't thought of something good enough yet....POS comes close though.

Jackass.

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Let those who are actually concerned with peace observe that capitalism gave mankind the longest period of peace in history—a period during which there were no wars involving the entire civilized world—from the end of the Napoleonic wars in 1815 to the outbreak of World War I in 1914.

Posted by: Josh

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What a crock! Comparing any war prior to WWI is rather irrelevant, technology hadn't caught up to ambitions until that time. Truly though WWI was mostly a European war not a "World War" although until that time nothing on its scale had been fought. World War II was the first actual "World War" as it was a global conflict in the truest sense.

As for drawing the conclusion that capitalism and war being diametrically opposed, that is absolutely plain and simple poppycock. Many a staunch, died in the wool capitalist have made fortunes off of wars and supplying the armaments to facilitate them. In this country this has rang true since at least the Civil War when many northern industrialists profited handsomely from the conflict.

I am not arguing whether capitalism is good or bad or capitalism vs socialism, but to suggest that capitalism can somehow be equated to a more peaceful world is just as invalid as saying socialism or communism are. All of them in theory should work except they all underestimate the propensity of human beings to be greedy and jealous of what their neighbor has and they do not.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 23, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the Democrats should be ahead by 6%, even by 10%.
Posted by: Justsaying Joe
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Oh, go to bed Joe. You must be really young and/or dumb if haven't noticed this country is deeply divided. Your stats are republican's, oops scratch that, "independents" favorite talking point when they're left with nothing to say.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 23, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Ryan,

There are no grey areas in the right to life. You are wrong to assume that I believe in the death penalty. Every life is precious! I could assume that you believe in abortions but appose war and the death penalty. I am glad your mother had you so we can debate this!

Posted by: lucy | September 23, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I have a question for the Liberals. Could you please explain to me why it is so important to you that wild life be protected but yet it is fine to kill an unborn child? I would love an answer. Are animals more important then human beings. Anyone?

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Katee, it was a joke. Seriously, I was saying you were taking it too, uh, seriously. As for the rest, I'm basically an Agnostic Lite, as in, I know I don't know but I don't necessarily claim that someone else hasn't figured it out. There was absolutely no criticism intended except for it looking like you were taking the standard blog jackassery way to seriously.

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Paul Stewart,

I hope the Biden brain rumor is just that, a rumor. I don't wish bad health on anyone. I do enjoy listening to his verbal blunders though. I guess you do also. When you get tired of it, you can tune in to Palin for some intelligent comments. Won't the debates be fun! Maybe Sarah can talk slow so Biden can keep up.

Posted by: lucy | September 23, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

And yes, I voted for Bush both times and I'll vote for McCain too.
Posted by: Josh
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Oooooo. He's a 2X Bush voter. Sometimes this breed of moron refers to the themselves as "independents"... Go right the hell ahead Josh, voting for McSame isn't any big surprise after your latest admission.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

SAL: I am very happy in my life at this point. To the other persons comment - just because I am atheist does not mean I will become a unibomber as you said, If anything you will. It is my choice by right is it not! Will you condemn me because I don't believe in your God, if so you just showed your true face.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I think that's true. This should've been a slam dunk for the Democrats, I'm surprised out how it's going. It doesn't even have that coat-tails tone like the Reagan-Bush (Sr) transition.

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lucy | September 23, 2008 11:18 PM

"I don't worry if God is white or black."

Maybe he's pink with purple polka dots?

"I just know that he wouldn't approve of the destruction of his creatures before they come into the world. The cure for cancer or other fatal diseases may had been killed with the last abortion!"

By that logic, lucy, maybe the next Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy may have been killed with the last abortion.

You pro-life, but let me guess, your also pro-death penalty?

The problem with many right-wing folks like yourself is that you seem to think that abortion is something that's celebrated by people who wish to protect abortion rights.

I assume you align yourself with Palin's belief, anti-abortion even if it conceived by rape or incest. Thats why she charged rape victims in Wasilla $1200 for rape kits. You think your morally right on this issue....but you don't see the grey area.

Posted by: Ryan | September 23, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Patrick,

Fantasyland is a mythical place where you can't look up the U.S. Geological Survey and the Rand study point out the mid point estimate of shale oil alone being around 500 billion barrels. Not taking into account off shore drilling and other strategic places in Alaska.
http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/publications/Pubs-NPR/40010-373.pdf
Thanks for playing buddy

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

THE BIG DEBATE VEEPS FORUM.

WHAT BIG DEBATE? THE ONE SARAH PALIN IS HAVING WITH THE NEWS MEDIA?

IF PALIN WERE A WORLD CLASS SAVIOR, I CAN SEE KEEPING HER AWAY FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD.

BUT SOMEONE WHO THINKS "INSIGHT INTO RUSSIAN'S FOREIGN POLICIES" MEANS "I CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM MY HOUSE"

REPUBLICANS YOU HAVE ALOT OF FOREIGN LEADER MEETINGS TO PLAN FOR PALIN.

Posted by: HENRY KISSINGER | September 23, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

To GOP08_DOA:

It's all in the numbers. Given the political wind in 2008 following 8 years of Bush disasters, economic crisis, Iraq war and $150/barrel oil price, Obama and the Democrats should be ahead by 6%, even by 10%. Fact is, he is barely winning by 1 or 2 points nationally and in critical battle ground states.

If Obama were ahead by 10 points, I would agree with you that he is cool and presidential. But when he is statistically tied with McBush in this political season, 2008, he raises serious questions as to whether he is skillful enough of a politican to lead this country. The fact that many Democrats don't see this clearly is the precise reason why they don't get the independents' votes and have lost all national elections in the past 28 years except for Bill Clinton. Wake up Democrats, Wake up Obama.

To Katee:

Wake up. There is a world outside of your head that is real. It's tough. And God loves all, both sides of debate.

Good Night !!

Posted by: Justsaying Joe | September 23, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Hydrocarbons are pretty interesting things. Even though they makeup gas, oil and alcohol, they are considered organic, just as humans are. They are also used extensively in all sorts of things like food and medicine. Since they are a limited resource, they are becoming too valuable to just burn. Can't we leave future generations with something at least, instead of a bunch of debt,wars and ignorance?

Posted by: Bob | September 23, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Katee, your religion was changed by THAT? You don't believe in the existence of a god / goddess or anything on the "super" side of "supernatural" just because the world is full of jackasses? I'm not saying your endstate is necessarily wrong (how would I know?), but the way you got there is just, uh, amazing. Maybe you should push away from the blog before you go unibomber... :P

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Ryan,

What do those countries' citizens pay in taxes again?

Socialism has been slowly taking over, I guess I probably do sound crazy to someone who doesn't know anything about what this country was based upon.

And yes, I voted for Bush both times and I'll vote for McCain too.

Tell me those figures I quoted for the GDP and the deficit are wrong. Oh wait, you can't.

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Katee, your bitterness does not change my faith, nor will you tell me when I may or may not use God as I speak.

I hope your faith deepens. And I hope your life is good, whatever path you take. The world is not all mean and evil. Yes. we all get mad at some of this bizarre mess in our political system. But nevertheless... our country is full of goodness and this election will not change that. I just want women to THINK about what is going on---we have been silenced for so long and told to stay in our place.

Posted by: Sal | September 23, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Lucy, yes liberals believe in God, if they choose. Just not the one that, strangely enough, holds the same social views as George Bush, that conservatives are pushing down America's throat.

Posted by: Bob | September 23, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

It must be nice to live in fantasy land where everything you say becomes true eh Josh?

Statistics for 2005 Oil production taken from http://www.iea.org/Textbase/stats/balancetable.asp?COUNTRY_CODE=SA.

322552 - US Oil production.
525618 - Saudi Oil production.

American oil production peaked in the 1970s and has decreased substantially since then. This was predicted by a man named Hubbert in the 50s, at the time he predicted global oil production would peak in the 2000s. All current trends indicate he was on the money again.

WE INVADED IRAQ FOR OIL. It is not a question. It is a reality. The US military just today released a report (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/0922/1221998220381.html) indicating they expect continuous resource wars for the next 30-40 years.

Josh may live in fantasy land where Bill O'Reilly and the lolly pop kids circle jerk to the Rodney King video, but here in REALITY, the world is a lot easier to understand, though perhaps not as easy to swallow.

If you find any of this information useful I suggest you read http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4172 as it has much more information than I can convey here.

Posted by: Patrick | September 23, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

SAL: If I were you I don't think I would be telling anyone I am a minister with some of the statements you have been making. Also, I do not use God for anything as I am an atheist at this point in my life and do you want to know why, because of people just like you who think they know everything.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Do liberals believe in God? Just wondering because they sure don't care about the type of people they elect. Nothing like supporting the killing of God's creations. I don't worry if God is white or black. I just know that he wouldn't approve of the destruction of his creatures before they come into the world. The cure for cancer or other fatal diseases may had been killed with the last abortion!

Posted by: lucy | September 23, 2008 11:18 PM
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Geeze, The cure for cancer is more likely killed every time one of you Christian nut jobs makes us destroy valuable stem cells because you pretend to know what you supposed god thinks.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Lucy, do mean and narrow-minded conservatives believe in God? Sometimes it does not appear that they do, and yet, you profess it. Is your God angry and violent and evil?
I am a liberal---meaning my mind is open and smart and educated----and my God is not mean-spirited or hateful, nor does my God belong to a political party in the United States, since my God loves all people in the world.

Posted by: Sal | September 23, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Christians come in all shape sizes and colors Libs cons rich poor.

Some republicans think JESUS would be a republican if he walked in the flesh.

Would Jesus turn his back on the sick hungry poor and homeless vets

Would Jesus have started a war with Iraq for oil, and not wmd? NO!

Jesus was a black man, but he loved people of all ethnic makeup

Take inventory neo cons jesus can't be highjacked

Posted by: brock101 | September 23, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Let those who are actually concerned with peace observe that capitalism gave mankind the longest period of peace in history—a period during which there were no wars involving the entire civilized world—from the end of the Napoleonic wars in 1815 to the outbreak of World War I in 1914.

Posted by: Josh
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You express yourself with so much anger it wasn't clear that you're really a utopian. But this conception of pure capitalism isn't any more realistic than Maxist philosophy. Great vision except that it includes people, who tend to screw things up.

I think there's real self-interest in wealth redistribution. In capitalism intelligence and native ingenuity tends to help a person win the game. Since not everyone has those talents, successful capitalists need to give some money back to the losers so the game can continue. If they don't give something back, some of the big dumber capitalist losers may decide change the rules to something they can win at -- beat up the winners and take their stuff.

Posted by: Ben | September 23, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Do liberals believe in God?
Posted by: lucy
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Do conservatives EVER focus on their own families??? Answer: almost never, they're too busy playing victim of the world.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

To Anonymous:

You said:
"The U.S. Gross Domestic Product is around 14 trillion per year. Our total deficit is around 9 Trillion. We are not "bankrupt" so save the scare tactics."

You're kidding, right? Your math was a joke, right? If that's how you evaluate the macroeconomics, that explains why you may have voted for Bush last two times. DOn't deny it, I know you did.

Oh my Lord, please help this ignorant country. We feast on "small town values" yet don't know when our country is running out of money. We're still drinking from Reagan's voodoo supply-side economics perfected by Dick Cheney's "deficit-doesn't-matter" policy.

Posted by: Justsaying Joe | September 23, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Ugly Sam has a point. But his candidate isn't much of a solution. On the plus side, there isn't anyone truly horrible running. On the negative side, there isn't anyone particularly great running. The independents don't have a prayer, as usual. The Republicans picked their leftist and shifted right, the Democrats picked their leftist but then shifted right. The average is still WAY left. There isn't a whole lot of distinction between the tickets, just change colors and genders and swap the P for VP. It's business as usual. It won't be a terrible four years. It won't be a good four years. It'll just be another four years.

If we get eric hoffer about it, I suspect we should start watching to see if the ex-pat exodus swells. There are an awful lot of corporate headquarters being planted in the Bahamas of late, maybe that's the first indicator.

Wouldn't something like that screw up the left? If wealthy Americans bailed to a foreign country... because, as far as I can tell, the leftist mindset has more respect for foreign nationals than for US citizens, and the wealthy would then fall into the higher respect status of foreign nationals. Biden could get points by meeting with them when they come to DC and Obama could go and talk to them without preconditions. McCain could get Kudos by forging an alliance with them. Nader could blame them for everything, and Barr could point to them as the result of our failure to protect liberties.

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Do liberals believe in God? Just wondering because they sure don't care about the type of people they elect. Nothing like supporting the killing of God's creations. I don't worry if God is white or black. I just know that he wouldn't approve of the destruction of his creatures before they come into the world. The cure for cancer or other fatal diseases may had been killed with the last abortion!

Posted by: lucy | September 23, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

dear Cody,
I don't know what your random ranting is about. However, I honor your right to rant.

Posted by: Sal | September 23, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 10:13 PM

"And no. Obama's degree doesn't serve anyone well if he can't read in PLAIN ENGLISH (not SPANISH) the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. His only other reason for ignoring these laws is that if he isn't stupid, then he's intelligently trying to turn America into a socialist state. (Did that make it easy for you to understand?)"

Josh, just because your angry doesn't make you valid.

Let me gently crush your theory for you with three examples;

Australia, England & Canada.

All are societies based on capitalism (with the right to public property etc.), but with social services (i.e Health care) guaranteed to all citizens & residents.

Are these socialist societies like Cuba? No. Does social services = socialism? Far from it. Do you sound a little crazy & ignorant when you try and link the two? I think that is apparent.

Posted by: Ryan | September 23, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Impressive list. Probably means that he has travelled on a lot of Congressional junkets on the taxpayers' dime. So wher is the list of his running mate?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I guess Biden was too busy meeting with all these foreign leaders to remember when FDR was elected and when TV was invented.
What a bozo.

Posted by: WashingtonDame
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Yeah? Not a effin' stupid as saying "the fundamentals of the economy are strong," during one of the worst weeks in economic history. Really now? Is than all you've got???

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 23, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Sal:

The US most certainly does not have 3 times the Saudi oil reserves, not by measure. Whoever told you that is either ignorant or is lying to you. Or maybe you made it up yourself. In any case, it would not "blow[] the whole "we went to war for oil" argument out of the water", since it is flatly and provably untrue.

However, you needn't worry about losing face among your friends, since one of the hallmarks of the modern right is to believe with fervor things that are not true, and to ignore any evidence which demonstrates that your beliefs are false. Hence, you believe that there were weapons of mass distruction when inspections demonstrated that there were not. You believe that the neocons are on your side when they have gutted your economy and handed the proceeds to their friends without the first thought to your well being. You believe that Obama is a socialist or a muslim because those are groups that you have been told are legitimate to hate (not because he's black, right?). You believe that there is nothing wrong with torture when Americans do it, but that it is evil when done by someone else. You may even think that the Earth is only 6000-10,000 years old, and that the universe is exactly the same age. All of these things are demonstrably untrue, but you believe them anyway. And you think that McCain is interested in helping you, while he aggressively courts the very same folks that have swindled our nation of its economic vigor.

So, it's no surprise that you believe we have triple the Saudi reserves, and it would be no surprise to hear that you think the Earth is flat.

Posted by: Cody | September 23, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

"So what's the point with this article?
Posted by: Anonymous"

Anonymous, um, if you don't get the point, its a good thing you are posting as anonymous. You would not want to let people know who you are when your IQ is showing.....er.... not showing I mean...

So what is the point of your post anyway Mr. Anonymous? Perhaps you are John McCain and you don't understand the question..... Maybe you just don't get it...

We do...

Posted by: Paul Stewart | September 23, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama's opposition to the surge shows he has bad judgement.

Posted by: Tom | September 23, 2008 9:40 PM
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I don't even know why I'm posting this because ignorance is just that. The surge brought levels of violence down to a level that is more then 30 times worse then before we invaded. How is that progress? It's not. That just means 30 times more innocent people are dying today then before we invaded. I know that’s hard for you understand as you repeat back Bush's talking points.

Posted by: Creamsykle | September 23, 2008 10:38 PM
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I think this deserves a repost

Posted by: Talking Points | September 23, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I guess Biden was too busy meeting with all these foreign leaders to remember when FDR was elected and when TV was invented.

What a bozo.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | September 23, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

No, Katee, I am not a Christian hater. I am a minister. And I cannot stand by while you folks claim God as yours and only yours, and you then have the shocking audacity, like Palin, to claim that God wants her in office.
This is the epitome of hypocrisy and deceit. You cannot use God as a political operative. God's will does not belong to the GOP.
I am so sad at how women are used by this system. Instead of learning and thinking, you simply follow directions. God gave you a brain to THINK. He gave you the opportunity to live in a country that offers education. But it is squandered with political slogans and pride in ignorance.
You don't own God, and neither does the GOP. But I do believe God forgives those who are cruel and ruthless, even though sometimes we wish it were not so.

Posted by: SAL | September 23, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

...and when Hillary hit him hard in those last few months, Obama hardly showed he had the right stuff to win the general election.
Posted by: Justsaying Joe
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What kind of made up hogwash is this Joe? When Hillary hit Obama hard in the last few month of the primaries, Obama was tough and rarely, if ever, stooped to the ridiculous BS Bubba was dishing out on behalf of the Hill. Just like now, McCain has been acting like a clown lurching from the left to the right, while Obama's been keeping his cool and looking and acting presidential, because he IS presidential.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 23, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the pure hate there is by libs for christians, ...
Posted by: Katee
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You assume that Christians aren't liberal, which is incorrect. What Christians like me are really fed up with is the "religious right". This isn't a Christian movement, but a political one wrapped up in false self-righteousness. The religious right foisted Bush on the rest of us and have strong-armed McCain into taking Palin. The religious right is in the Repub camp but it's not fiscally conservative. Mixing religion and politics is not a good combo (note the religious fanaticism w/a lock on Iran).

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"People aren't listening to you anymore"

Weird, I guess you're the only one pal.

"liberal conspiracy"

Weird, I never said that. Reread and try and comprehend my earlier post.

I will point out that your little savior Obama keeps being compared to JFK and by today's standards JFK would be a conservative.

Lastly, I am not a conservative because that only retards the progression of socialist statism. I am a "radical of capitalism"

Again to quote Rand:
Laissez-faire capitalism is the only social system based on the recognition of individual rights and, therefore, the only system that bans force from social relationships. By the nature of its basic principles and interests, it is the only system fundamentally opposed to war.

Men who are free to produce, have no incentive to loot; they have nothing to gain from war and a great deal to lose. Ideologically, the principle of individual rights does not permit a man to seek his own livelihood at the point of a gun, inside or outside his country. Economically, wars cost money; in a free economy, where wealth is privately owned, the costs of war come out of the income of private citizens—there is no overblown public treasury to hide that fact—and a citizen cannot hope to recoup his own financial losses (such as taxes or business dislocations or property destruction) by winning the war. Thus his own economic interests are on the side of peace.

In a statist economy, where wealth is “publicly owned,” a citizen has no economic interests to protect by preserving peace—he is only a drop in the common bucket—while war gives him the (fallacious) hope of larger handouts from his master. Ideologically, he is trained to regard men as sacrificial animals; he is one himself; he can have no concept of why foreigners should not be sacrificed on the same public altar for the benefit of the same state.

The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonists throughout history. Trade does not flourish on battlefields, factories do not produce under bombardments, profits do not grow on rubble. Capitalism is a society of traders—for which it has been denounced by every would-be gunman who regards trade as “selfish” and conquest as “noble.”

Let those who are actually concerned with peace observe that capitalism gave mankind the longest period of peace in history—a period during which there were no wars involving the entire civilized world—from the end of the Napoleonic wars in 1815 to the outbreak of World War I in 1914.

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Sal: You have just proven you are not only sexist but are biased against Christians. Same difference as racism in my opinion.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 10:56 PM
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There is a big difference between racism and intelligence. It take a certain amount of ignorance to believe in an invisible man who will come and destroy the world and everyone in it Except those that worship him and give his chosen preachers $$$

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

"I guess even the Obama team does not believe in Biden. Rumor has it:
On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing
> health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to
> occur after the VP debate on 10/2.
Brain Aneurysm I heard. So they are blaming his rambling nonsense on a brain aneurysm.

Posted by: lucy | September 23, 2008 11:07 PM

Lucy, the only rambling here is coming from you as far as I can see.....

Posted by: Paul Stewart | September 23, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

To Katee:

Liberals or independents don't hate Christians when they attack them. Many of us ARE Christians. What we despise--okay, hate--is those Christians who are hypocritical and use the name of God to justify their narrow view of the world. We hate those Christians in the very same way that JEsus used to despise the Pharisees. He used to say, "Oh you hypocrities." Now I say the same to those "Christians" who use God in this political debate to further their cause.

Posted by: Justsayng Joe | September 23, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

""The MEDIA SILENCE from Ms. Palin has been deafening. It appears to many women that the GOP campaign has restricted her from speaking unless they write it and unless they give her permission to speak."

Considering Biden's gaffes and apparent ignorance, the Obama campaign might want to consider a similar tactic.

Posted by: Michael | September 23, 2008 10:20 PM "

Um, Michael, you need to understand about things like freedom of speech, women's rights and women's equality etc. Last I looked Palin lived in America, not China, not Russia etc... If you think restricted speech, restricted thinking, scripted lines, hiding from tough questions you don't even understand is somehow American and something to be extended from Palin to others, well...... You need to read the constitution and get up to speed on womens' issues.

Maybe you should take Palin with you when you do that. She obviously needs help too..... You could drag McCain, Rove, Schmidt, Boundless etc... along too now I think of it ...

Posted by: Paul Stewart | September 23, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is naked when it come to tough issues facing middle america.

Health Care

Education

Equal pay for equal work

Wall street

War in Iraq

Social security

Posted by: circus monkey | September 23, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess even the Obama team does not believe in Biden. Rumor has it:
On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing
> health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to
> occur after the VP debate on 10/2.
Brain Aneurysm I heard. So they are blaming his rambling nonsense on a brain aneurysm.

Posted by: lucy | September 23, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

*sigh*

The U.S. Gross Domestic Product is around 14 trillion per year.

Our total deficit is around 9 Trillion.

We are not "bankrupt" so save the scare tactics.

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 11:00 PM

Our unfunded mandates (medicare, social security) currently amount to $53 Trillion. With the Boomers retiring and a shrinking labor market and stagnant wages our national debt is a huge problem.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

NOte to GOP08_DOA:

Obama did not "steamroll" over the Clinton campaign. He held his lead barely in the final three months of the primaries, and when Hillary hit him hard in those last few months, Obama hardly showed he had the right stuff to win the general election. Right now, he is not showing that he can govern effectively. Trust me, I look at this from both sides. I'm the exact kind of independent voter both sides need to win the election.

McCain-Palin has to stop lying and pandering to Americans' delusions about themselves.

And Obama-Biden has to show they can flex muscle in the national political arena to prove to me that they can govern and face down the Putins and the Fannie Maes of this world.

Posted by: Justsaying Joe | September 23, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Liberals are christians as well as conservatives.

For all you folks out there refusing to vote for obama because he is black. Think Jesus is black.

Posted by: brock101 | September 23, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

So what's the point with this article?
Posted by: Anonymous
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The point, or rather the contrasting point, is Pitgurl Palin is a RANK ROOKIE. Never even vetted properly to begin with. Refueling in Ireland doesn't count, OK dork?

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 23, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

somewhere in the quiet stillness of flyover country, nestled in their humble homes, the faithful wait for the games to begin. The unborn are safe in their mothers wombs hoping to see the light of day and become Americans, like you once were, and you made it. Whoever gets elected will be president and we should call him Mr. or Ms. There once was a time when all this was our way, and now we sling insults from behind cybernetic shields. All this unfolds as it will, and only you and I can change it. Bigotry has so many faces in this dialogue, a house divided can't stand, and in the end a bigot is still a bigot

Posted by: worksinthewoods | September 23, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Sal: Stop living in fantasy land. They took some of the truth and turned them into lies. I also see that you are a christian hater with the statement you made.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an impulsive risk taker, and the Palin pick is the result of that kind of behavior. She seems like a "nice" person, but is clearly in over her head. Which is McCain's cruel doing.

Posted by: Jay Carlson | September 23, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Biden is for Affirmative Action shows he doesn't have the Judgement or Experience to be President. Anyone who has ever tried to get something done like pay a parking ticket in an inner-city knows Affirmative Action doesn't work. Obama graduating from Harvard Law School was obviously due to Affirmative Action. Bring a black guy into any law office in Manhattan or Boston and the white lawyers will literally run over each other as they salivate to help a brother out. Biden isn't qualified to be anything considering his 36 years in the Senate have amounted to a hill of beans.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the pure hate there is by libs for christians, and you people supposedly believe in human rights. So many double standards by the libs isn't there. You people don't seem to know which way your head is on.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

As far as experience goes I think it is not only amount that matters|
Since a teenager Obama has always been curious about the world-you can see what a thoughtful and enquiring man he is from his 2 books.
I admire Governor Palin's energy and zip,but she seems to me to have very little curiosity about the world outside of Alaska and very little understanding of how life appears to other people ,which is absolutely crucial if you are to solve major problems in the world. I find that scary and depressing.
Sue

Posted by: Sue Williams | September 23, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

*sigh*

The U.S. Gross Domestic Product is around 14 trillion per year.

Our total deficit is around 9 Trillion.

We are not "bankrupt" so save the scare tactics.

I think the last numbers I saw was 700 billion on foreign oil each year. Maybe we could tap our own resources and not worry about that. You don't shrink the deficit by taxing people, you shrink it by growing the economy.

And if you really want to get nasty about the economy go look at the liberal laws passed that backed sub prime loans which allowed people who wouldn't otherwise qualify for loans. Gee people without down payments or good credit stopped paying their mortgages. Shocker.

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

So what's the point with this article? Biden has been in the Senate for thirty-six years, I would hope he has met with any number of foreign leaders. I don't believe I have seen any question of HIS experience; it's his running mate that is questionable. Nice promotion for Ol' Joe though. Keep up the unbiased reporting, it makes for great comic relief.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Ugly sam

You have a point.

Posted by: brock101 | September 23, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

This is the difference between perception and reality.
Posted by: Anonymous
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Yes, and the reality is republicans have been in power for a damn long time with absolutely nothing to show for it. Dream on, or perceive on, as it were.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 23, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, Kateee, the media,including the conservative bastion of FOX NEWS, has just reported her lies. If she had been truthful, no one could attack her.

Is GOP the party of WEAK VICTIMS? No one else is hollering VICTIM like Palin---once again, GOP men are using her as the "weak one" and the one to be protected. IS SHE THAT FRAGILE AND WEAK? IF SO, WHY WOULD WE WANT HER AS A VP? COME ON, THINK.

PALIN IS SO FRAGILE THAT SHE SHOULD STEP DOWN AND LET A "REAL MAN" TAKE THE VP ROLE? WELL, IF THEY ARE ELECTED, YOU WILL SEE THAT HAPPEN. LIEBERMAN WILL GE TTHE JOB WHILE PALIN IS SENT HOME TO "SHUT UP" AND "HEAL FROM ALL OF HER WOUNDS."

What you, Katee, are saying, is that ALL OF THE MEDIA IS SMARTER AND TOUGHER THAN PALIN. SO YOU GOT THE WRONG CHICK. TOO BAD SHE IS SO WEAK AND CANNOT STAND UP TO PRESSURE LIKE BIDEN AND OBAMA AND HILLARY AND PELOSI AND ALL THE DEMNS

Posted by: Sal | September 23, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Well, I've seen a couple of comments here regarding Sarah Palin and her "deafening" silence. Here's the trick. IF you don't report it, then it didn't happen, right? Or... if something did happen and you want it to sound bigger than it really was, but not enough people attended, then... you frame the pictures "just so" and people think it was huge... I think you get my point.
The Post along with the "New Barack Channel" and "Another Barack Channel" and lets not forget "Communist Broadcasting Service" are all tingly with the thought that Obama and his Liberation Theology (Socialism at best) just might make it into office. So; anything that will detract from that his "ascension" is not happening and not newsworthy...

Posted by: Robb | September 23, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Gorge Bush beat John McCain in 2000. In 2008 John McCain became gorge bush. Nuff said. http://bobbarr2008.com

Posted by: ugly sam | September 23, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Jackass! Joshy, Joshy. You just don't play well with others, do you buddy? But thanks for splain'n. Now I understand how a secret society of liberals has over several hundred years conspired to take away your guns and money away while you were out mowing the lawn.

You're fanaticizing too much, dude. It's getting you all worked up.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Josh, you must be off your meds. Such hostility toward liberal, Dems, and facts. You must take care; you're revealing your survivalist, misogynist nature. People have stopped listening...

Posted by: morganvista | September 23, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Jon Stewart (Comedy Central)has met more world leaders than Sarah Palin...!

Posted by: LincolnX | September 23, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Sal: You have just proven you are not only sexist but are biased against Christians. Same difference as racism in my opinion.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

To "Anonymous" who said "God also loves Sarah Palin and trusts her to do the right thing."

Don't you dare bring God into this. God loves truth. That's it. God loves everyone. Bringing God into this debate, as conservative Christians often do with impunity, is using God's name in vain. Don't use GOd's name to advance your personal agenda.

It's offensive to those of us who hold God in true light.

Posted by: Justsaying Joe | September 23, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

...watch for some real "change" now.
Posted by: jim
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Jim, get a life. John McCain is the original WA Insider. Palin is basically Bush in a skirt and go-go boots. He and Caribou Barbie are as far from change as you can get.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 23, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

what's the difference between Bush/Cheney and McCain/Palin?

LIPSTICK!

Posted by: 4 more years, vote McCain Palin! | September 23, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed that republican presidents have appointed more women and minorities to cabinet and judiciary posts than democratic ones? This is the difference between perception and reality.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

How can any true conservative vote for John McCain?

Posted by: ugly sam | September 23, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

SAL: I disagree! The media has been after her since day one. I would not want to speak to them either. It doesn't matter what she does or what she says, they will turn it into something bad. Palin can't make a move or even a statement without the media and the Libs waiting on the sidelines to pounce. So what would be the point. I have to give her credit for being strong enough to stay in the race and take the heat.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh Josh, you're so angry, it's kinda cute. I love how you boil complex arguments into sound bytes and snippets for easier attacks.

Also, McCain's bill... not so great: http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.22705/pub_detail.asp

Posted by: Jim | September 23, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

the kind of discussion on this board is appalling, i sincerely think so, lori speaks honestly in her post just to mention one recent post.....

but who tries to make sense of our current national policies and that of the gop i think is living a simple life. single-minded, fascist government makes you feel proud, which proves the abounding arrogance and ignorance of many republicans

genocide is evil. mccain is openly racist. i dont know what else the gop stands for. reactionaries defending corrupt, simplified policies should reflect on the perpetrators of genocide, the capitalizing terrorists that are currently running this nation's government, yes they are almost exclusively euro-americans
brian

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Your campaign management has been abysmal.
Posted by: Justsaying Joe
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Joe, you're either blind or an idiot. The Obama campaign steamrolled right over the Clinton machine and John McCain's campaign is a proven bunch of morons. Apparently so are you.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 23, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

democrats have capitulated on all drilling bans on both coasts. defeated by republicans. watch for some real "change" now.
btw, biden is not mentally stable - that's plain, right out there for all to see....

Posted by: jim | September 23, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it terrific that God talks to Palin? And then she lets you all know how to vote ? Wow, I wish God had also told her about the Wall Street crash.

So if SHE tells you what GOD told her, then you will believe it? did GOD tell YOU or is she just real special?

If GOD speaks to anyone tonight, can you post it right away in case Sarah is not actually the chosen one?

Posted by: Sal | September 23, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Mike London - you offend the sensible with you typical liberal distortions. Whats your excuse - some evil conservative distorted the truth about Obama? Common grow-up.

Posted by: AG1231 | September 23, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

It actually is an impressive list. If he travelled to their country to meet them, even more impressive. The Americans who seem to enjoy bashing America seem to me to be the same people who've never been outside the liberal Western democracies. Once you've had a good look at 2nd and 3rd world countries, it's very hard to be particularly acidic about the US. Rule of law, consent of the governed, basic freedoms... The difference between the US and Saudi, for example, makes the difference between Republican and Democrat unbelievably insignificant. For those on this blog who have the geyser of venom thing going on, I respectfully prescribe a bit of time outside of the West for a dose of perspective. Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, Central and South America, Baltimore...

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

"Please read the facts on http://www.BarackForUs.com. We know that McCain thinks that women should not get equal pay for equal work."

YES, PLEASE DO READ THE FACTS:

McCain has more women on his senior Senate staff than men AND the average salary paid to women in his office exceeds the average salary paid to men.

Meanwhile, Barack "Let Me Call You Sweetie and I Promise to Hire You and Pay You Equally (But Won't)" Obama has a senior Senate staff that is overwhelmingly male, with only one woman, and the average pay paid to men serving in Obama's office is far in excess than the average salary paid to women.

Not to mention, the junior Senator from Illinois also requires the taxpayers to pay for a FAR LARGER staff (of men) than Senator McCain needs to run his office.

But take heart, Obamabots! I understand that Obama will be raffling off the Brooklyn Bridge next week!

Posted by: GM | September 23, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey dumazz hillary supporters aka puma's don't vote for mccain vote for and donate to http://bobbarr2008.com

Posted by: ugly sam | September 23, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I have cooked lots of things in my life... but that does not make me a chef. Just because Biden has been around alot of foreign leaders does that make him an expert of foriegn affairs? I see how well he has done as chairman of the foreign affairs committee... I guess I am a chef after all

Posted by: Steve
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Biden is considered by almost everyone in Washington DC -- Republicans as well as Dems -- to be one of the most experienced people in Congress on foreign affairs. It has been repeated continually in the news for years. He's done the work. It's just a fact, unlike being able to intimate experience by saying you can see another country.

Posted by: Ben | September 23, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Almost everyone is talking about experience, that is only part of the equation that determines QUALIFICATION. It is evident over the past 8 years that intelligence also matters. BTW, stop blaspheming all ye supposed Christians. and you've also forgotten; "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me."

Posted by: ctrone | September 23, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Just to complete my comment, now, to Obama and to Biden and the Democrats. Stop behaving as if you deserve to win this election. You haven't given us independents much reason to vote for you. You are going to have to give us something more substantive and show us that you can run this country. Your campaign management has been abysmal. I doubt that, once you get elected, you have the mojo to govern effectively. You're going to have to do better than this.

Posted by: Justsaying Joe | September 23, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

The democrats could nominate the biggest idiot in the world, and if he were also black but did not win, it would be because of "racism". It couldn't possibly be because he was the biggest idiot in the world.

Posted by: Shawn B | September 23, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

So what? Our Great Governor of Alaska has more experience, and is more qualify to be President of us than Biden, who has no experience that counts.

God also loves Sarah Palin and trusts her to do the right thing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin supporters are delusional nutcases. I swear.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 23, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Josh
Maybe you should go back and check your facts. It is this Republican conservative administration that is leading the charge to socialism with all of these bailouts. It is this same administration that has allowed the federal government to grow way beyond anything this country has seen since the New Deal. And it is President Bush who has trouble reading either the Constitution or Declaration of Independence. He even went so far to describe the Constitution as just another piece of paper. Judging from all of the corruption and lying to the American people that has gone on over the last 7 years it is wonder that the Constitution has even survived these last 7 years.

Posted by: jwritesel | September 23, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Gee anonymous, How about you save your junior college psychology for someone who cares.

But I'm glad you wrote because its a perfect example of why I am irritated.

Your little note just pointed out how we have been losing our rights gradually over the past 120 years.

"The goal of the “liberals”—as it emerges from the record of the past decades—was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot—by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli." Ayn Rand (oh no a woman!)


And last time I checked the Constitution didn't outlaw black people from becoming president so that's a nice illustration about how liberals change the subject.

Jackass.

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....(hope I'm not offending anyone)

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."

* If you grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, you're a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack, you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

* If you name your kids Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* If you graduate from Harvard law School, you are unstable.

* If you attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system, while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.

* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, *much* clearer now.

Posted by: Mike London | September 23, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

oH, kATEE, NOW WE SEE----YOUR HUSBAND TELLS YOU WHAT TO THINK.
WELL, THERE YOU HAVE IT. A wonderful example of GOP mind control over women. If your HUSBAND tells you that, then of course it must be what you must think too.Mccain will welcome you to the SHUT UP AND VOTE women's organization with Sara.

Posted by: sAL | September 23, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

from what i've heard since biden was picked by obama (never listened to him much before that) it is obvbious that he is mentally impaired. he talks in circles and is wrong about most things, political and otherwise. I think he has had several strokes and isn't totally present and accounted for.

Posted by: larry | September 23, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

The democratic PRESIDENTIAL nominee had not met with foreign leaders prior to his "world tour" that was lauded by the press. Another case of obvious liberal media bias.

Posted by: Shawn B

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Since Obama has been serving on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee I find it hard to believe your claim. Document please.

Posted by: Ben | September 23, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Josh wrote: I was afraid your little ignorant liberal minds might get hung up on another more transparent example of how Obama threatens basic freedoms ... Its like amateur night trying to explain this to you liberals ... His only other reason for ignoring these laws is that ..then he's intelligently trying to turn America into a socialist state. (Did that make it easy for you to understand?)

Josh I would like to point out that President Bush has already socialized the mortgage market, and Sterns last spring, now we have AIG insurance and other companies socialized and with this new 700 billion for Wall street there won't be any money left for the next President to do anything PresidetnObama or President McCain Bush/Cheney have already pre-bankrupted this nation on the way out the door, PS the future costs of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars veterans healthcare and compensation is facing a bill between 1-2 trillion dollars over the next 60 years don;t you just love socialism brought to us by the republican party

Posted by: mikey30919 | September 23, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Mile: You are absolutely correct. My husband has been saying this for days now. I think people are just blinded by showmanship on Obama's side. They have told more lies then anyone else but the dems don't realize this because they have been blindsided by the media.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I have cooked lots of things in my life... but that does not make me a chef. Just because Biden has been around alot of foreign leaders does that make him an expert of foriegn affairs? I see how well he has done as chairman of the foreign affairs committee... I guess I am a chef after all

Posted by: Steve | September 23, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

TO think that McCain and Palin will go to washington as "mavericks" and reverse those things that made this country tank in the past 8 years under Bush--Well, they should wake up froom their fantasy and realize the following. The U.S. is has been under triple deficit (budget, trade and consumer debt) for years. The U.S. currency is worth anything only due to foreign governments' surplus, namely China. We can't afford to wage another war let alone win it. Our presidency and the executive branch is the laughing stock of the world. And our best and the brightest will soon be leaving our shores to get the best possible jobs, which are increasingly found overseas. Wake up American voters. Wake up McCain-Palin fantasy-mongers. I'll say it. Put lipsticks on a pig, it's still a pig. Let Palin go on a date with a dozen heads of state. She's still a hockey Mom married to a one-time drunk driver and a crazy broad that thinks she's a pitbull with lipstick.

Posted by: Justsaying Joe | September 23, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama's opposition to the surge shows he has bad judgement.

Posted by: Tom | September 23, 2008 9:40 PM
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I don't even know why I'm posting this because ignorance is just that. The surge brought levels of violence down to a level that is more then 30 times worse then before we invaded. How is that progress? It's not. That just means 30 times more innocent people are dying today then before we invaded. I know that’s hard for you understand as you repeat back Bush's talking points.

Posted by: Creamsykle | September 23, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

The democratic PRESIDENTIAL nominee had not met with foreign leaders prior to his "world tour" that was lauded by the press. Another case of obvious liberal media bias.

Posted by: Shawn B | September 23, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

That's a very impressive resume. Perhaps Biden should run for President. He seems to have better credentials than Obama.

Posted by: jsch0602 | September 23, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Kateee, feel free to give your opinion among Dems. It is the GOP who is telling women, like Palin, to do as they are told and then shut their mouths. It is GOp telling her to hide out until they need her again. Women in the \Democratic party are free to speak to the press. Your Palin is the political prisoner here. She must read her lines, then listen to her men and shut up right then. She is not allowed to talk to any media, even FOX.

Did you ever think about how they view YOU? you are, in their opinion, only a VOTE. Once used, you will also be told to SHUT UP. Dems don't believe in that. Bash and rant all you want, but please enlighten us all on WHY PALIN IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE GOP MEN TO SPEAK TO THE MEDIA. WHY IS SHE UNDER THEIR CONTROL? A GOVERNOR OF A STATE? WHY THE MIND CONTROL?

Posted by: Sal | September 23, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh here we go again with "Bush ruined the U.S." "We invaded Iraq for Oil." And "the world hates us."

Lori, you are so ignorant it bothers me that you can vote.

The U.S. has 3 times more oil than the Saudi reserves. That sort of blows the whole "we went to war for oil" argument out of the water.

We're in a war which costs money. If you don't think its necessary then you haven't even been listening to your own candidate because even that socialist Obama says we have to win the war on Terror.

I don't give a rat's ass what the impotent U.N. (uh Genocide in Rwanda and Darfur anybody?) or the little Europeans who are so charming think. Their opinion should sway the U.S. for looking after is interests or protecting its people. Or have you forgotten how "the world" looks out for its interests IE the Oil for Foods Scandal.
If you people really cared about this country, instead of spouting off your left wing hate speech you'd go discover the facts for yourself.

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

In 2005, John McCain and others proposed a bill to the senate S.190(look it up) that was designed to prevent the problems we are
having today. Alan Greenspan supported the bill and was totally pissed when the Democrats squashed it, claiming it was too "partisan". This
bill, co-sponsored by Mr. McCain was designed to prevent the Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis we are facing today. So who is it that's all about
change? John McCain, that's who!

Checkout some of these links:

www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:63:./temp/~bd53gD::

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:1:./temp/~r109x9V7sc:e217157:


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/22/161210/626/427/606732

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN00190:@@@P

Posted by: Mike | September 23, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kevin | September 23, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Josh wrote: I was afraid your little ignorant liberal minds might get hung up on another more transparent example of how Obama threatens basic freedoms ... Its like amateur night trying to explain this to you liberals ... His only other reason for ignoring these laws is that ..then he's intelligently trying to turn America into a socialist state. (Did that make it easy for you to understand?)

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Gee Josh, you come off as if you have some anger issues to work on. Obama has taught Constitutional law at the university level so I imagine he knows the subject very well. But unlike what some conservatives would like, the nation has evolved in the past 230 years -- hence we're having an election for the highest office of the land that include a black man and a woman, two people who weren't allowed to vote when the Constitution was written and one who was allowed to be owned by folks like you.

As far as redistribution of wealth goes, the nation has had a progressive tax system that has redistributed wealth for about 120 years. Nonetheless, we still think of ourselves as a capitalist country.

Chill out.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Sol: The democrats already limit free speech. Look what it being said on this board. You are limiting our free speech by telling us not to give our opinion if we are not for Obama.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Did Joe meet with Roosevelt before HDR was on T.V.?

Posted by: CR | September 23, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

While McCain was supposedly saving Fannie and Freddie in 2005 with legislation that even Republicans would not support, his campaign manager Rick Davis was collecting 30,000 dollars a month to the tune of 2 million from these two companies to keep regulators off their backs. The guy Rick Davis went to is the one and only deregulator and influence peddling warrior, John McCain. All along the McCain campaign has tried to convince people that the lobbyists running his campaign are not lobbying any longer. In particular his campaign manager Rick Davis who claims he stopped in 2006. Well what he neglected to say was he went back to Freddie Mac in early 2006 and negotiated another deal that pays him 15,000 a month for access to you know who. John McCain, the great deregulator and influence peddler. These payments did not end until last month in 2008 after Freddie Mac no longer needed to worry about regulators because as everyone knows they went into the federal government receivership. It is amazing how these people are not even elected yet and are already stinking up the place.

Posted by: jwritesel | September 23, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I admit it, I had to keep reading on the "eschaton" rant thing. I had to stop when I go to this:

"The problem of an eidos in history, hence, arises only when a Christian transcendental fulfillment becomes immanentized. Such an immanentist hypostasis of the eschaton, however, is a theoretical fallacy."

Uh... I guess I should have quit while I was ahead. I had to look up eidos, immanentized, AND hypostasis. Honestly, who talks like this?!

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Now you git your fannie right in there and CONVERT those heathens! Send 'em up to Alaska before the Apock-e-lipse!

Posted by: Mrs Palin's Preacher | September 23, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

First: all this talk about experience and popularity. Was it Bidden who garnered what 1% in his run for the presidency that said "he (Obabma) don't have the experience" ? This is the weak supporting the weak. Second: We have a Marxist who believes in liberation theology, and is an avid follower of Saul Alinsky, amoral guru of left wing activism; yes Obama, that Marxist, is running as a black man "they don’t like my looks", instead of advocating what he believes. Reminds me of a magician with a gimmick that distracts the audience from observing the trick being played. If we the people vote in this trickster it will not be god bless America, no no.

Posted by: alwanderer | September 23, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

No, Michael,
Dems will not limit free speech. That is unAmerican, and that is strictly for the GOP, who also tell their women to SHUT UP. Of course you would be in favor of restricting free speech, that is who you are.
Women, do you hear Michael? he will tell you to SHUT YOUR MOUTH if you dare go against the PARTY. that reminds me of Germany many years ago......

Posted by: sal | September 23, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many of you "experts" out there bashing Palin for just getting her passport have ever spent any time overseas. I'll bet you guys that have spent a week in Barcelona looking at architecture and you think you've got world experience and that makes you qualified to call someone who's done more for this country than you ever will inept. Jesus!

Its hilarious, I'll bet all of you can't even manage your own lives and yet, you're arguing as if you have some credentials aside from watching Oprah when in all reality you're just repeating things you heard someone else say of write.

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a fraud donate to http://bobbarr2008.com

Posted by: ugly sam | September 23, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe how childish most of you are. What has happened to intelligently discussing and debating issues? Why do you have to resort to name calling. This is precisely what is wrong with todays society.

I can honestly tell you that for the better part of my life I voted for the person who I felt was best for the job. It did not matter which party. That all stopped in 2000. This president has done more to hurt the U.S. than any one person I can recall. The world hates us, we completely destroyed a country for oil, the economy has tanked, we have lost many of our civil liberties, many are afraid to speak honestly against our government for fear of retribution, Osama Bin Laden is still out there, our country is more divided than ever, the religious right rules, Liberal has become something bad (and why is that? Read the definition. Compare that to Conservative), and the list could go on and on.

Republicans had their chance for 8 long years. It is time for change and mending. I would have voted for McCain many years ago, but not now. He does not have the temperment nor diplomacy to be leading our country during these very uncertain times.

Posted by: Lori | September 23, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

JOSH! You are right on the money with your statement.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Moderator please?

Posted by: Robbie | September 23, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

"The MEDIA SILENCE from Ms. Palin has been deafening. It appears to many women that the GOP campaign has restricted her from speaking unless they write it and unless they give her permission to speak."

Considering Biden's gaffes and apparent ignorance, the Obama campaign might want to consider a similar tactic.

Posted by: Michael | September 23, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Go to http://bobbarr2008.com and donate $120.00.

Posted by: ugly sam | September 23, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I think Race should be an issue. Look at Africa. All the black leaders there are complete failures (including Mandela and Mbeki - you may not know this because the MSM is currently censoring all stories that show the true extent of the rape/violence epidemic in South Africa 0 if you believe it's all the "legacy of apartheid" I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you). Look at the U.S.

Dinkins when he ran New York was beyond incompetent.
Nagin in New Orleans was completely incompetent.
Kilpatric in Detroit.....
Newark, NJ......
Scandals involving the Governor of Massachusetts
Rezko helping Obama buy a mansion and then getting 14 million from Illinois to become a slum lord

I'd like to see some success stories in Executive Positions at the Mayoral or Governor level before I hand the keys over to a black guy with limited experience and limited achievements and no Executive Experience. What's wrong with that? BTW, I am a white guy.

Posted by: Bill | September 23, 2008 9:50 PM
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Wait, I thought racism was over. Must have been mistaken.

It is because you liked the racist jokes you and your family made when you were young, and you fear that if your daughter marries a black guy then all those jokes will have to leave.

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 10:00 PM

You are 100% incorrect. I was raised to be a Politically Correct, self-loathing, white male and never once heard a racist joke growing up.

If race doesn't matter why can't colleges have the Caucasian-American Club? Most colleges have a Hispanic American Club, African American Club, Asian American Club. Asians btw make about 50% more than whites in the U.S. If race doesn't matter why is everyone upset everytime a kid tries to start a Caucasian-American Club on campus?

Also, since race doesn't matter please name me 3 successful African American politicians with executive experience at the Mayoral or Governor level.

Posted by: Bill | September 23, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

As Reagan often said, "Here we go again". The Washington Post is promoting Biden now over Palin showing how many heads of state he has met with. WP, you are just as bias and attempting to brainwash the American people as The New York Times. Your journalists got trained in Moscow, too?

This merely shows that Biden is old time Washington, more so than McCain. And I thought you radical liberals wanted to get rid of old time Washington. You are a bunch of hypocrits, just like Obama the closet Muslim.

Posted by: Jerry Stockman | September 23, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

As Reagan often said, "Here we go again". The Washington Post is promoting Biden now over Palin showing how many heads of state he has met with. WP, you are just as bias and attempting to brainwash the American people as The New York Times. Your journalists got trained in Moscow, too?

This merely shows that Biden is old time Washington, more so than McCain. And I thought you radical liberals wanted to get rid of old time Washington. You are a bunch of hypocrits, just like Obama the closet Muslim.

Posted by: Jerry Stockman | September 23, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

"To me ,and MANY MANY Americans, he's WAY too DANGEROUS to be playing Commander-in-Chief.

Posted by: Dr. Dave

Dr Dave,

That would be true if you were talking about the mad bomber McCain and his moose killing VP candidate.

Their diplomacy consists of threats of military action against any country that they don't agree with.
McSame gleefully sings Bomb,bomb, bomb Iran to the tune of Barbara Ann, while leering at the press with that evil grin. Not funny.

This pair lack the temperament and judgment to lead our country.

They totally frighten me and I'm a veterean of the siege at Khe Sahn, Jan. 1968.

Don't believe the Republican lies.

Posted by: Veterans against McCain/Palin | September 23, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

"an equally long list of McCain's experience"

That list would have Size 72 Font and be double-spaced between each line.

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Posted by: Iago | September 23, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

You people need to check for yourselves what his real experience is and not what the press is telling you. I have seen the press lie over and over but of course the libs are dumb enough to buy into it. The Democrats are the destruction of this country and now they are going to finish it off with Obama who will share our wealth. Well I say no to Obama because I don't want him deciding how my paycheck will be spent and that is exactly what he is saying when he tells you what his plans are. Obama is give me, give me, give me.

Posted by: katee | September 23, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I was afraid your little ignorant liberal minds might get hung up on another more transparent example of how Obama threatens basic freedoms by mentioning the 2nd Amendment when I was really illustrating the war between socialism and capitalism you fool. Capitalism is what happens when people are free. Private property is basic to individual rights. Its like amateur night trying to explain this to you liberals because you can't focus on the main points. You have to constantly change the subject or address some inane point and paint it as relevant.

And no. Obama's degree doesn't serve anyone well if he can't read in PLAIN ENGLISH (not SPANISH) the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. His only other reason for ignoring these laws is that if he isn't stupid, then he's intelligently trying to turn America into a socialist state. (Did that make it easy for you to understand?)

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain is always talking about "my friends."

But so many people don't know WHO those people are. Just read this:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160561

Posted by: JakeD | September 23, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

TThe MEDIA SILENCE from Ms. Palin has been deafening. It appears to many women that the GOP campaign has restricted her from speaking unless they write it and unless they give her permission to speak. This is not the model anyone was hoping for in a female candidate for the office of Vice Presidency. It is essentially a message from GOP that women should be controlled and used and then silenced when told to be quiet by men. Why has a GOVERNOR OF A US STATE complied with this disturbing mandate from a group of male politicians. Is that what Palin and McCain envision as the role of women in the government? to be obedient and quiet? Are ALL WOMEN supposed to just shut up and go vote for the GOP, and then fade away? This is a really disturbing insight into where women stand in the GOP. They handpick a woman—a GOVERNOR, NO LESS—- and then muzzle her while they feed her the party line. Then—and only then—will she be allowed to speak her mind. This is what WOMEN MEAN TO MCCAIN AND THE GOP. KEEP YOUR PLACE, WOMEN. SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND BE QUIET. YOUR VIEWS AND OPINIONS ARE NOT WELCOME UNLESS THE GOP CAN SCRIPT THEM FOR YOU. WHY IS PALIN GOING ALONG WITH THIS?

Posted by: SAL | September 23, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

SOOOOOOOO happy to see the beautiful list! Sure hope people will open their eyes and see who they are voting for. I mean, come on, Palin meeting world leaders is "news"! What does that tell us?

Posted by: Vote4Obama | September 23, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. The Post reports Biden's extensive experience with international leaders and he gets attacked by McCain supporters? Is it a bad thing to have international experience in a dangerous world? Is it a good thing that Palin only got a passport last year and only met her first foreign leader today? I must be in some kind of time warp.
Etagluoh

Posted by: Etagluoh | September 23, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Now that is what I call a slam dunk. George Bush had only been to only three countries before the Supreme Court annointed him President!

Posted by: Mike Temple | September 23, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

If you are not commenting on the article, why post it here? I swear some of you just c&p the same comments on every site. Let Obama and McCain spend campaign money for their own advertising. Do you honestly think people will read things like "GOP are idiots" and think to themselves, "wow, ya know, that blogger guy said McCain is stupid so I won't vote for him."? It's just annoying to read that kind of crap; so stop it.

Posted by: Clif | September 23, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know what eschaton meant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschaton

See, I actually learned something from this blog! Well, not from the blog, more from having to look up a term in a rant on the blog, but still, I think that was probably the high point of the night. Night all!

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey Torn:

Those are the pre-British pre- colonialist divisions that existed. Don't you think those folks want some autonomy? Wouldn't you? Who are Americans to say what is right for these sovereign nations?
Or do you just want to keep the cauldron fomenting so we can dip in at will? Evil pseudo Christian you.

Free the Kurds. Free the Palestinians. Ignore the Georgians. Viva Chavez!

Posted by: sensate and alert | September 23, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Ha HA HA ..Very FUNNY In-the-Obama-Tank ARTICLE!!!

But BOTTOM LINE: I would much rather have Palin in the co-pilots seat than Obama with his INEXPERIENCED hands on the controls. To me ,and MANY MANY Americans, he's WAY too DANGEROUS to be playing Commander-in-Chief.

Posted by: Dr. Dave | September 23, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

God in politics? Separation of church and state? The Constitution?

Rich Republicans wanna stay rich. They use the "religious " to command a voting block! Do you think the rich are "believers"? Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

This demographic is marked by its gullibility and stupidity! The problem is, they are half of society! Moral: it is hopeless! These creeps will destroy the world to hasten their eschaton! What a bunch of babies and losers! Unable to live life, they embrace death and repression. No wonder Jesus cried in the Garden and said "forgive them for they know not what they do"!!!!

Posted by: 12-19-4-BE | September 23, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Palin ate General Tso's Chicken...

Which means she is ready to lead us to war in China.

Posted by: Blip | September 23, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Fundamentalists do not care about real world experience: they are only impressed if you believe in the same deity! If not, you are trash in their eyes. They are the elect! Everything they do is OK'd by the head Deity! Logic be damned! Credentials be damned! After all, history is an illusion created by Satan, and those who do not agree are evil!! Can you say "embarrassing" ?

Posted by: cst 22 | September 23, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I think Race should be an issue. Look at Africa. All the black leaders there are complete failures (including Mandela and Mbeki - you may not know this because the MSM is currently censoring all stories that show the true extent of the rape/violence epidemic in South Africa 0 if you believe it's all the "legacy of apartheid" I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you). Look at the U.S.

Dinkins when he ran New York was beyond incompetent.
Nagin in New Orleans was completely incompetent.
Kilpatric in Detroit.....
Newark, NJ......
Scandals involving the Governor of Massachusetts
Rezko helping Obama buy a mansion and then getting 14 million from Illinois to become a slum lord

I'd like to see some success stories in Executive Positions at the Mayoral or Governor level before I hand the keys over to a black guy with limited experience and limited achievements and no Executive Experience. What's wrong with that? BTW, I am a white guy.

Posted by: Bill | September 23, 2008 9:50 PM
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Wait, I thought racism was over. Must have been mistaken.

What was wrong with what you said was the fact that you can't see Barack Obama as a man, you see him as a Black man.

And, if you don't understand what is wrong with that, then you have answered my question I posed earlier about why Republicans attract racists and Democrats seem to repel them. It is because you want to live your life as an ignorant fool. It is because you liked the racist jokes you and your family made when you were young, and you fear that if your daughter marries a black guy then all those jokes will have to leave.

And, most of all, the false sense of superiority that you feel as a white guy will all fade away if you were to accept other men and women as humans, not races and sexes.

Oh well. Sometimes I have to remind myself that you can lead a horse to water...

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

RE: Bill

You are everything wrong with America, and the poster child of a failing educational system.

The color of the mans skin has as much to do with his potential as your opinion has to do with reality. Nothing. You are the reason intelligent people lose hope in humanity.

Do yourself, and the rest of the country a favor and stop breathing.

By the way, I'm a white guy.

Posted by: Patrick | September 23, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, well. Little Sarah got to play with the grown-ups today. She met world leaders and had a conversation with Kissinger. Now she's ready to be VP.

Posted by: linda | September 23, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Bill, you can't say that. You can only make racist comments about white people, no matter what your color is. Didn't they teach you that in college? If you are going to play a white male on the blog, you have to be dripping with self-loathing, guilt, and unabashed shame. You should expiate that self-loathing, guilt, and shame by voting as far left as possible. That's a requirement, says so right in the manual.

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I want someone with brains running the country for a change, that's why I'm voting for Obama. We can't afford another 4 years of stupid people leading our country. Wake up people, Republicans, Democrats and Independents! Smart people make smart decisions, as simple as that. Obama's the only one with brains who can lead the country right now!

Posted by: jpg | September 23, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

The one very important "foreign policy" question I want John McCain to answer, is "why did you sabotage the investigation into what happened to the nearly 900 missing in action United States soldiers in Laos and Viet-Nam"

Please read the damning article by a pulitzer prize winning war correspondent about his involvement with this cover up.

http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1

I would love to see this asked of him during the debate. His head would literally explode.

Viet-Nam Veteran.

Posted by: Veterans against McCain | September 23, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Republicans: a queer assortment of rich and deluded. Those who hold $$ to be God, and those who actually believe in a God!! Of course, their God is SUPERIOR to THEIR god (Allah). Tit for tat, they are all suckers. But the rich will use them to stay in control.

Posted by: capt. america | September 23, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Would love to see if Palin can book a meeting with Medvedev. Or, PUTIN for that matter!

Posted by: primarywatcher | September 23, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Look at these pictures to see all the "good" Mr. Obama did for Chicago slums(I mean developer buddies) as "Community Organizer"....

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/07/photo-gallery-results-of-obamas.html

"Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and managed by Obama’s close friends and political supporters. Those people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama’s constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding neighborhoods were blighted."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/

Hey, maybe he can do the SAME TO G*D D*MN AMERICA WHILE HE'S AT IT!!

Posted by: Kevin | September 23, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"Incidentally Palin has more experience than OBama and is NOT running for president." Andrew

Incidentally, Andrew, that is just not true.

Her experience consists of being elected to Mayor of a town with 6,000 people- not including moose- and then hiring a city manager to run the town. She fired practically the whole town's staff and replaced them with her high school friends.

Did the same as Governor. She was absent from the capital, Juneau, over 300 days during her first year in office- and billed the taxpayers travel expenses while at home.

Her "experience" is mostly bad- and it is not transferable to national office.

I dread the prospect of "The First Dude," looking over her shoulder at every meeting and ceremony. They will have to import some moose for him to chase around on his "snow machine."

Posted by: Sarah-not Palin | September 23, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

dottydo: Biden has retracted his statement about the ad. Did you not see this in the news. He doesn't know up from down.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 9:36 PM
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Oh no, another fifteen year-old has joined the discussion!

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Please read the facts on http://www.BarackForUs.com. We know that McCain thinks that women should not get equal pay for equal work. We know that McCain voted 19 times against a minimum wage increase. We know Palin is even more extreme than McCain. Barack/Biden in 08!

Posted by: zuq | September 23, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Another non-story from the Washington Post. There are many important things to cover on this very heavy news day, yet your editor decided to go with "Joe Biden met with important world leaders too". How can readers take your "journalism" seriously? While Americans are on the brink of losing their life savings and homes, Iran prepares to ignite everyone, Russia is rebuilding the Soviet Empire, demand for resources is causing global inflation, and criminals are running our banking system. That Joe Biden, What a guy! Remember the old days when it was "That John McCain, what a guy!"? That was back when you lefties thought you could easily beat him in the generals once nominated. What do you think now that you've essentially hand picked the republicans' nominee for them, and your guy and his ideas still aren't winning? Be careful what you wish for, because it might become President John McCain.

Posted by: Clif | September 23, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I think Race should be an issue. Look at Africa. All the black leaders there are complete failures (including Mandela and Mbeki - you may not know this because the MSM is currently censoring all stories that show the true extent of the rape/violence epidemic in South Africa 0 if you believe it's all the "legacy of apartheid" I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you). Look at the U.S.

Dinkins when he ran New York was beyond incompetent.
Nagin in New Orleans was completely incompetent.
Kilpatric in Detroit.....
Newark, NJ......
Scandals involving the Governor of Massachusetts
Rezko helping Obama buy a mansion and then getting 14 million from Illinois to become a slum lord

I'd like to see some success stories in Executive Positions at the Mayoral or Governor level before I hand the keys over to a black guy with limited experience and limited achievements and no Executive Experience. What's wrong with that? BTW, I am a white guy.

Posted by: Bill | September 23, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Tom, that's not fair. Biden paid a good 5 million for that solution on eBay!

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Of course he can produce the list of leaders he has met with. However, he does not even know who the President of the U.S. was during the Stock Market Crash and thinks that we had televsion back then?

Posted by: Dave | September 23, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

He was probably staying at a Holiday Inn Expresso!

Experience and decision making are two different things. For that matter, good policy. The more I watch Biden, the more I think he is a nice guy who is a total bureaucrat. He thinks his job is really important.

Good for him! He has convinced the voters in his state to keep him in office.

http://www.bop-o-rama.com

Posted by: Who cares! | September 23, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh that's RIGHT! Obama is superior to Palin because he graduated from Harvard and has a law degree!

Except he can't use all that education to understand the basic laws that give Americans freedom (not to mention the 2nd Amendment)Private property is the basis for individual rights. All you people who scream about racists and minorities need to understand the smallest minority in the world is the individual and his rights are being besieged by higher taxes. If you want to pay more just check the box on the IRS form and pay more, or give to your charity, don't presume to know how to spend my money better than I do.

If a man proposes to redistribute wealth, he means explicitly and necessarily that the wealth is his to distribute. If he proposes it in the name of the government, then the wealth belongs to the government; if in the name of society, then it belongs to society. No one, to my knowledge, did or could define a difference between that proposal and the basic principle of communism.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 9:38 PM
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I love people who clamor about 2nd amendment rights. Nobody wants to take your guns away, but people do want to know that you aren't trying to kill a whole heard of buffalo with an automatic weapon. And, for you militia freaks, the US gov has tanks, nukes, assault choppers, and fighter jets that will annihilate you in a heartbeat. So go ahead and buy your pea-shooters all you want and give yourself the illusion for security from your government. Just don't sell them for drugs.

Anyhow, our freedom has already been violated, not by redistributing wealth but with the patriot act which attacks our first amendment rights.

And, he11 yeah, Obama's juris doctorate degree from Harvard and role as the president of the law review is far superior to Palin's four community colleges and HPU journalism BA (the joke university here in Hawaii).

Oh wait, but that is elitist talk.

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is in the same league as JFK"

Mistake 1: The Post has gone to a lot of effort to compare Biden to Palin, not Biden to McCain or Palin to Obama, and here you are dragging Obama into a bit on Biden and Palin. Let's see, in a presidential race should the seasoned senator be running for President or Vice President? And how well does Biden match up against McCain?

Mistake 2: Obama is in league with JFK? "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?" JFK? JFK, the veteran? THAT JFK? YOU THINK OBAMA IS THE EQUAL OF JFK? Obama may well win, and he may well turn out to be a decent president. (I actually have hopes for both tickets as far as that goes, though neither are particularly financially conservative nor are either particularly socially libertarian) But Obama has a long way to go before he is in JFK's league. So far, he's pretty much Lyndon Johnson at best, and his rhetoric matches the Great (Centrally controlled and invasive socialist) Society rhetoric very well.

We are destined to a mediocre president this year, either way. If I were you I would consider hedging my rhetorical bets now, before you suddenly find yourself hating your presidential choice because he can't possibly live up to your expectations. After all, he's got to try to keep 300 million other people more or less mollified while being the CEO of a trillion dollar goat rope of an enterprise. Despite the fact they aren't journalists and might not agree with you, some of those other 300 million citizens are cheeky enough to think they have good judgement.

Posted by: Tyrsten | September 23, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

They should publish a list of cities and towns that Biden visited. That must be one impressive list too. As impressive as listening to a teacher's roll call for a classroom back in high school.

Posted by: David | September 23, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse


Hey Torn:

Those are the pre-British pre- colonialist divisions that existed. Don't you think those folks want some autonomy? Wouldn't you. Who are Americans to say what is right for these sovereign nations?
Or do you just want to keep the cauldron fomenting so we can dip in at will? Evil pseudo Christian you.

Free the Kurds. Free the Palestinians. Ignore the Georgians. Viva Chavez!

Posted by: sensate and alert | September 23, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

http://www.factcheck.org/

you clowns arguing that 1 candidate is good and other is not good... more time you spend arguing the less time you spend reading factual information... go to a source that is known for being NON-PARTISAN and FACTUAL citing FACTS

Open your eyes! You don't have to vote for McCain or Obama... there are better choices!

Posted by: factcheck | September 23, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"I think I just landed on a board full of 15 year olds. No adults here!" Katee

That's right Katee- go back to posting your ignorant and inane comments at the Christian Science Monitor. You are so transparent.

Or you might try reading some good material about how your "hero" McCain opposed the families of the MIA/POW's who have disappeared in Laos and Viet-Nam.

http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1

Written by a pulitzer prize winning war correspondent who has been fighting McCain on this issue for over 30 years.

McCain is a liar.

Posted by: Veterans against John McCain | September 23, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Biden has some experience but is old (66) and has had two aneurysms and so is just as likely to die as McCain. So if we need change (Washington Posts words) then Palin is indeed a better choice than Biden. Younger leaders gain knowledge by experience just as Biden did. Incidentally Palin has more experience than OBama and is NOT running for president.

Washington Post needs to get a grip on reality and honesty (for a change)

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm Impressed by Joe Biden and his 36 years of Experience!

Biden's Plan for Iraq: Split it into 3 new countries: 1 for Sunnis, 1 for Shiites, 1 for Kurds.

The Sunni part has no oil but the Kurd part and the Shiite part has lots of oil. The Shiite part of Saudi Arabia is also where all the oil is in that country although it is run by Sunnis.

After 36 years of experience what did Biden come up with: A plan to take the chaos that is currently contained within Iraq and spread it to the whole Middle East and thus throughout the world. Saudi Arabia and Turkey would be completely destabilized and Iran would have defacto control of Southern Iran. 36 years and that's what he came up with. Biden's plan on Iraq shows he has bad judgement and Obama's opposition to the surge shows he has bad judgement.

Posted by: Tom | September 23, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW, not like anyone is going to read this or take it seriously... anyone trying to "debate" here is wasting time... you should know everyone is just doing the same thing both parties are doing... LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH...

google factcheck.org and you'll find PLENTY of examples how both political camps are being retarded... I'm inclined to cross party lines to vote for Obama if it gets close in Georgia, but realistically speaking, my vote is going 3rd party... imagine if google news or drudge report started spending the time reporting FACTS from factcheck.org as a credible non partisan organization...

Posted by: Ron Paul Supporter | September 23, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

For Dems race and gender bias are a problem.
For Republicans Race and Gender is so over.

Who is Clarence Thomas?
Who is Condi Rice?
Who is Colin Powell?
Who is John Mc cain's adopted daughter?

You are so funny.

Posted by: dottydo | September 23, 2008 9:25 PM
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OK. Racism and gender discrimination is over now. Nobody will be judged based on these issues anymore. Good news.

Anyhow, the question was why are the racists joining the republican party in droves, whereas the democrats just don't attract them anymore?

(And LOL at the four people you mention as reasons why the Repubs aren't racist. Be glad you are in a chatroom where you can plan out your answers on a computer keyboard and not in a room of Black mothers who are wondering why the school in their predominantly black neighborhood doesn't have enough books for the kids, lockers, and a run down building unlike the school a mile away in the predominantly white neighborhood.)

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh that's RIGHT! Obama is superior to Palin because he graduated from Harvard and has a law degree!

Except he can't use all that education to understand the basic laws that give Americans freedom (not to mention the 2nd Amendment)Private property is the basis for individual rights. All you people who scream about racists and minorities need to understand the smallest minority in the world is the individual and his rights are being besieged by higher taxes. If you want to pay more just check the box on the IRS form and pay more, or give to your charity, don't presume to know how to spend my money better than I do.

If a man proposes to redistribute wealth, he means explicitly and necessarily that the wealth is his to distribute. If he proposes it in the name of the government, then the wealth belongs to the government; if in the name of society, then it belongs to society. No one, to my knowledge, did or could define a difference between that proposal and the basic principle of communism.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Snivel. Whine. Get to church on time.

Back alley deals, see how it feels

when you've been hung out to dry.

Why, God would never lie!

Eat impacted fecal matter
you dogmatic mad hatter

Posted by: riverrat reporter | September 23, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

"I'm a republican, and I would vote for Condoleezza Rice in a second." Davidson

You might, but the polls show that as many as 27% of Americans would not- based on race.

My question to you is why Condoleeza who was just a tool of George Bush- and not Colin Powell who has far more leadership experience and integrity them Ms. Rice?

I think you are full of it.

Posted by: Cromwell | September 23, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

dottydo: Biden has retracted his statement about the ad. Did you not see this in the news. He doesn't know up from down.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

The idea of a free press is that it can have a biased opinion without being thrown in jail. It was never the intention of the founding fathers that every paper should be even handed, but that there would be a freedom of the press to take any position they so pleased, pro or con, without punishment. Let FOX support the Neo-Fasists and let the NY Times support the socialists and let us, the people, decide for ourselves what or who we want to agree with. Even handed news reporting is lukewarm and useless to the democratic process.

Posted by: Uncle Sam | September 23, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

racism --- can be black and white. But the blacks always call the --- whiney race card, you don't like Obama cause he is black. Give it a rest. I don't like Obama because he lies.

Posted by: one of the white folks | September 23, 2008 9:22 PM
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I am white. I would have a hard time calling the shiney race card. All I did was ask why racists join the republican party, and why they don't join the democrats.

I know, it's tough for you to think about, but this is the truth.

And, if you are just basing your choice over who is the liar, McCain is a consistent liar, as is Palin. The republicans' lies look like Biden's list of foreign heads of state whereas Obamas lies look like the amount of heads of state Palin mas met.

Since the lie factor is clearly not the reason, I am assuming you have other reasons.

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about Biden! He is so boring and every time he opens his mouth he put's his foot in it. Liberals are so immature. When I read some of these posts I thought I was back in third grade. WOW!

Posted by: katee
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Joe Biden is not boring!!!!
He bluntly states Obama makes poor choices, and that Hillary is the right person for President, and deserved VP.

That is not boring.


Biden also said he refused to accept an ad approved by Obama. He says it when he thinks someone makes bad decisions.

That is not boring!!

The brunt of his criticism is in 1st position, but a better ticket would have been Hillary /Biden

They are at least electable.

Posted by: dottydo | September 23, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I think I just landed on a board full of 15 year olds. No adults here!

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Biden's resume fits well for what is expected to be of a Vice President... don't get me started with Sarah Palin... however the top of the ticket with both parties lack real solutions to fixing the problem with our monetary system... too bad Ron Paul was ignored... had I voted democratic during the primaries, I would have had a tough choice between Biden and Kucinich... I liked Biden overall better but Kucinich vote record reflected strong constitutional values and he also voted against the Iraq war... Biden voted for the Iraq war... anyways... Georgia seems like it's going to McCain over Obama at the moment... if it's close I'll vote Obama but if not, 3rd party :)

Posted by: Ron Paul Supporter | September 23, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Same old tired writing from the same old tired, liberal Washington Post reporters who use their positions as writers as platforms to promote their own political interests.

And these claims of racism are just absurd, and I am dreading the day when McCain wins and the liberal media shouts RACISM, RACISM! Lets be serious, just because somebody doesn't worship your candidate, and just because that candidate happens to be black, gives you no right to call someone a racist. The fact that that thought is even the first thing to come to your mind is just evidence that you are thinking more about race (no pun intended) in this race than about political policies. I'm a republican, and I would vote for Condoleezza Rice in a second. Whoops, guess your whole theory goes out the window with that one.

Posted by: Davidson | September 23, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

The one very important "foreign policy" question I want John McCain to answer, is "why did you sabotage the investigation into what happened to the nearly 900 missing in action United States soldiers in Laos and Viet-Nam"

Please read the damning article by a pulitzer prize winning author about his involvement with the cover up.

http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1

I would loved to see this asked of him during the debate. His head would literally explode.

Viet-Nam Veteran.

Posted by: Veterans against Mccain | September 23, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

God in politics? Separation of church and state? The Constitution?

Rich Republicans wanna stay rich. They use the "religious " to command a voting block! Do you think the rich are "believers"? Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

This demographic is marked by its gullibility and stupidity! The problem is, they are half of society! Moral: it is hopeless! These creeps will destroy the world to hasten their eschaton! What a bunch of babies and losers! Unable to live life, they embrace death and repression. No wonder Jesus cried in the Garden and said "forgive them for they know not what they do"!!!!

Posted by: 12-19-4-BE | September 23, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: one of the white folks

"racism --- can be black and white. But the blacks always call the --- whiney race card, you don't like Obama cause he is black. Give it a rest. I don't like Obama because he lies."

But "white" lies aren't so bad right? Like how Palin has been trumpeting that she always opposed the "Bridge To NoWhere" (amongst dozens of other flat out lies).

P.S Which lies are you referring to of Obama's exactly? And please refrain from rumors or hear-say, just something he's been called on by a major news outlet. Thanks & good luck with that.

Posted by: Ryan | September 23, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kessler, you forgot a "bo" in the first "Slobodan".

Posted by: 7ucky | September 23, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

You can argue about Obama's foreign experience.

He went to Pakistan as a college student to work on a course. His roomate was the son of the UN Ambassador of Pakistan to the US. He went to Pakistan as a private citizen, and understand the issue with Pakistan and Afghanestan. He didn't need to be given a crash course, or filtered information. He lived history, and knows it.

He lived in the largest Muslim country in the world, which is the only democratic Muslim country in the world. So when he talks about Islam, he lived in a Islamic country.

He majored in International Relations at Columbia, and worked at the UN, which is down the street from his college.

So lets get real. The guy had a passport at 3 years of age, not only one year.

He was on the Senate foreign relations committee, and the guy gets it.

So stop the idiot talk of no foreign relations. He knows it better then McCain, b/c he lived it.

Posted by: Tony | September 23, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow, 150 foreign leaders in 36 years as a Senator. That's 4.2 world leaders per year.

Palin exceeded that rate before lunch today.

How many of Biden's "meetings" were grip, grin, and then smell their farts as they walked away?
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That is an extraordinary amount for a senator. Remember, he wasn't a VP or Prez.

The grip, grin and fart meetings happened at the UN before lunch today, then after lunch it was even worse.

Now, why won't Palin speak to the press? The press is our eyes and ears. They are who is allowed to meet and greet our politicians...not us. Democrats and Republicans are both sitting here wondering who this lady is...one side lambasting her (the Dems) for reasons they want to see, the other side blindly attaching themselves to her (the Repubs) for reasons they want to see.

I say Palin should let the press have at it with her like they have done with McCain, Obama, and Biden.

We deserve no less.

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Black Jesus? What the #$&%?

If you were wondering if the republican party was racist or not, here you go.

Tell me now, why do all the racists join your ranks?

Posted by: Anonymous

For Dems race and gender bias are a problem.
For Republicans Race and Gender is so over.

Who is Clarence Thomas?
Who is Condi Rice?
Who is Colin Powell?
Who is John Mc cain's adopted daughter?

You are so funny.

Posted by: dottydo | September 23, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about Biden! He is so boring and every time he opens his mouth he put's his foot in it. Liberals are so immature. When I read some of these posts I thought I was back in third grade. WOW!

Posted by: katee | September 23, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse


The New York Times article states, “A champion of deregulation, Mr. McCain wrote letters in 1998 and 1999 to the Federal Communications Commission urging it to uphold marketing agreements allowing a television company to control two stations in the same city, a crucial issue for Glencairn Ltd., one of Iseman’s clients. He introduced a bill to create tax incentives for minority ownership of stations; Ms Iseman represented several businesses seeking such a program. And he twice tried to advance legislation that would permit a company to control television stations in overlapping markets, an important issue for Paxson.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8616.html

For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html

Posted by: George W. McLiar | September 23, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Biden has met many foreign leaders as a U.S.Senator but he is not going to be meeting any as Vice President Biden. How about that??????

Posted by: Newshead | September 23, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

racism --- can be black and white. But the blacks always call the --- whiney race card, you don't like Obama cause he is black. Give it a rest. I don't like Obama because he lies.

Posted by: one of the white folks | September 23, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"Don't argue with this point, because it's an untouchable argument."

"You're an idiot - this can be and has been argued successfully. Stop restricting the debate - typical Obama politics."

Well, I'm all ears. Make one cohesive argument that proves that if your middle class, voting republican is better for your economic situation.

Posted by: Ryan | September 23, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of immature people on this board! Who really cares about Biden. He is so boring and he keeps sticking his foot in his mouth everytime he opens it.

Posted by: Katee | September 23, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

And the point of this article is ----? The Democrats may have done an OK job of vetting their VP candidate, but they got carried away and forgot to vet their candidate for President. Notwithstanding Sarah Palin's short list of meetings with foreign leaders, the fact remains that she is better qualified for the Presidency than is Obama, the Democrats' presidential candidate.

Posted by: C Nelson | September 23, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"Don't argue with this point, because it's an untouchable argument."

You're an idiot - this can be and has been argued successfully. Stop restricting the debate - typical Obama politics.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"If you were wondering if the republican party was racist or not, here you go.
Tell me now, why do all the racists join your ranks?"

You have to go back to JFK presidency to understand the logic. Basically, most white working-class folks (racists included) used to all be aligned with the Democratic party, I mean why would you be? If your not wealthy, you are voting against your economic interests by voting republican. Don't argue with this point, because it's an untouchable argument.

....so anyway, to get back on point. When JFK signed into law the Civil Rights act (ending segregation etc.), well that ticked off a lot of white racist folks, mainly southern white males, and it was pretty much from that moment in history that that voting block started voting republican.

Crazy notion, but generally regarded as the reasoning for this shift.

And they wonder why they are livin' in trailer parks these days? Folks, you are voting against your own economic interests!

Posted by: Ryan | September 23, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

So why doesn't this reporter look at Obama's list of foreign policy and compare it to McCain's... wait that would show lack of media bias and that's not the name of the game is it? This article was a horrible read and a waste of time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

well he traveled on American tax dollars, we should all be proud, after 25+ years no surprise, still tired old washington. What kind of change is that??

Posted by: a citizen | September 23, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh Poor Anonymous ... always getting your panties in a bunch. It must be difficult to hear the truth for someone so absorbed in Obama. Tell me do you get "tingles up your pants leg" when you here the Messiah give a speech, or is that special feeling only experienced by the biased, sexist, liberal media.

Give it a rest my friend ... not everyone is going to worship Obama and you might as well face it
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He was just pointing out the obvious, that your "black Jesus" comment is racist. Your post above shows you are a juvenile as well as racist.

Posted by: Ben | September 23, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse


Black Jesus? What the #$&%?
If you were wondering if the republican party was racist or not, here you go.
Tell me now, why do all the racists join your ranks?

So what's racist about that? Barack and his cult believe he's the savior (ie: Jesus) and he's black.. Did I miss something? Oh yeah and the Dem's longest office holder is a KKK member.. But who's counting.. crawl back under your rock pal...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess "no foreign policy experience" only counts if you're a Republican.

Posted by: GMike45 | September 23, 2008 9:02 PM
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Along your slippery slope of logic comes this thought, what if Michelle Obama came out onstage with five children with funny names like LaShaundra and D'Brickashaw and on top of it her 17 year old daughter was pregnant? Do you think for a second the Republicans wouldn't have a field day with this?

The Republican party is the party of racists, liars and crooks. You are all just too afraid to admit that this is why you act and think as you do. Get over it, the country will be over 50% minorities, and white people will be the new minority.

Like Chris Rock said, Palin is seen holding a moose head and is looked at as being sporty while Micheal Vick fights dogs for sport and is seen as being cruel.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

if mccain/palin are elected, mccain will have the biggest bull's eye on his back wherever he travels for those who want to repeat 911. the nation will be holding it's breath with every cough, every check up. it has been said that he has a 1 in 4 chance of surviving his entire 4 year tenure. if you are a terrorist and want to divide the world ideologically between christians and muslims under the pretext of war, you would just need President Palin. i can hear the theme song to damien omen already.

Posted by: ludlum | September 23, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

so why isn't Biden the presidential candidate...

Posted by: mav | September 23, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Nauseating pablum. Thin half-truths. Protect the wealthy, mollify the led. These are the voyages of the war ship Obfuscate. Their endless mission: to exploit all new worlds. To repress free living, in all civilizations. To tawdrily go where George Bush has gone before!

Posted by: hawkwind 1 | September 23, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh Poor Anonymous ... always getting your panties in a bunch. It must be difficult to hear the truth for someone so absorbed in Obama. Tell me do you get "tingles up your pants leg" when you here the Messiah give a speech, or is that special feeling only experienced by the biased, sexist, liberal media.

Give it a rest my friend ... not everyone is going to worship Obama and you might as well face it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's stick to the topic. Just because Obama doesn't have ton of experience, does it mean that any Tom or Dick can be a President.

I agree with Josh above:
"I will vote for a top student from Harvard over someone who had to go to FIVE different universities to get a simple journalism degree."

Obama is honest, charismatic, intelligent and a born leader. Even with no experience he beat the 'highly experienced' Hillary (backed by her two time president husband).

Do you really think there is any comparison between her and Obama ? In that case my Mom or any hockey Mom is equally qualified!

Posted by: Observer | September 23, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

"But now lets face it, most of you wont vote for Obama because hes black, and in your little racist minds are finding reasons not to vote for him because you feel guilty you hate black people, or affraid you will be seen as a racist in public."

I agree. A lot of 2-bit minds out there.

Obama -> Black -> No vote.
Palin -> White -> Woman -> Got My Vote!

Everything else is just fluff right folks?

Posted by: Ryan | September 23, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a Bush clone, similar in so many ways. If you right wingers here are among the 30% of the country that are satisfied with your past two votes I guess she'll be fine with you to.

Thread-writer George here thinks you all must be closet racists. Because those of us who value intelligence in our leaders can't figure out why you guys have set your bar so low. I think racism explains some of that, but I also think there's a lot of jealous, insecure people. People who call Obama an elitist as code for "well educated". They know their own intelligence will never match up with people like Obama, so a Bush or Palin makes them feel better about themselves.

Posted by: Ben | September 23, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Of all the possible choices, McCain chose a running mate whose views and values are the same as Bush.
PALIN IS BUSH!
I want change!
McCain/Palin: The Bridge to Nowhere.

Posted by: thoren58 | September 23, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Next year is the 80th anniversary of the Great Depression. If McCain wins, Sarah can jump out of the cake and wish him Happy Anniversary!

Posted by: hamishdad | September 23, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, just how far will the biased, sexist, liberal, Washington Post go to promote their candidates of choice "Black Jesus" (Obama) and "Saint Biden". I couldn't care less how many foreign leaders that Biden has met or how many Sarah Palin hasn't met. I want to know what each "presidential" candidate plans to do about the economy, a plan for affordable health care, the problems with illegal immigration, our dependance on foreign oil, and how they plan to get us out of Iraq. Meeting foreign leaders will take place when the need arises ... period. If the McCain/Palin ticket wins, I'd be willing to bet that she will do just fine meeting with any foreign leader. She is a very personable and capable woman. The foreign leaders will probably find her to be a refreshing change from the status quo. I think it's great that she is new to the Washington scene and she doesn't have the political baggage to drag around with her. She hasn't been bought by any the big corporation or tied to any criminals or terrorists, such as Rezko and Ayers. She is just a decent person who works for the people and would be a refreshing change from the regular Washington scum-bags. Joe Biden is an old stale Washington insider ... boring!!

Posted by: kaye1966 | September 23, 2008 8:53 PM
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Black Jesus? What the #$&%?

If you were wondering if the republican party was racist or not, here you go.

Tell me now, why do all the racists join your ranks?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, many of you have forgotten...

Dem President Carter: Former governor, no foreign policy experience
Dem President Clinton: Former governor, no foreign policy experience
Dem Barrack Obama, running for President: No governing experience, no foreign policy experience. (Speaking to a crowd in Germany that came for a free rock concert doesn't count.)
Rep Sarah Palin, running for Vice President: Current governor, no foreign policy experience.
And, Geraldine Ferraro, ran for Dem VP: No governing experience, no foreign policy experience.

I guess "no foreign policy experience" only counts if you're a Republican.

Posted by: GMike45 | September 23, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Fundamentalists do not care about real world experience: they are only impressed if you believe in the same deity! If not, you are trash in their eyes. They are the elect! Everything they do is OK'd by the head Deity! Logic be damned! Credentials be damned! After all, history is an illusion created by Satan, and those who do not agree are evil!! Can you say "embarrassing" ?

Posted by: cst 22 | September 23, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow, 150 foreign leaders in 36 years as a Senator. That's 4.2 world leaders per year.

Palin exceeded that rate before lunch today.

How many of Biden's "meetings" were grip, grin, and then smell their farts as they walked away?

Posted by: R. Miller | September 23, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

lol same ol' same ol' no change here....

Posted by: Olin | September 23, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Where is the list showing the foreign leaders McCain has met with compared to the foreign leaders Obama has met with? I think that would be similarly tilted in McCain's favor. To me, it's a bigger issue that the President have foreign policy experience than the Vice President. Sure, Biden might be more prepared to step in as President tomorrow compared to Palin, but McCain is more ready than Obama today. Stop the bias and give the whole story!

Posted by: Dan | September 23, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I for one am more than happy to start the fund for Democrats to leave for Canada. There you can get all the socialized programs you drool over. I will start alerting Uhaul immediately and be happy to kick your butt into the cab and send you with a full tank of gas.

Posted by: fundfordemstogotoCanada | September 23, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Trust me, if Palin has even been within the site of any of these head of state, she would have been milking it FOREVER. McCain campaign is so desperate and they've tried in every possible way to tell us she has some foreign experience, here are some:
- Alaska bordering with Russia
- Confused her quick visit to Kuwait with Iraq and keep in mind, that is no different than visiting any of the US based Army barracks.
- Here vacation to Mexico (BTW, she just go her passport last year).

Pathetic! Just come clean and say, she is clueless.

Posted by: Lake Ridge | September 23, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Ok, no more hating. Lets be fair now, McCain "makes things bigger than they really are a lot in his campaign, and also lacks IQ some times, probably from his age. Palin has almost zero experience, and you cant get good experience in 2 months.

But now lets face it, most of you wont vote for Obama because hes black, and in your little racist minds are finding reasons not to vote for him because you feel guilty you hate black people, or affraid you will be seen as a racist in public.

You can tell me I am wrong 100 times, but you're not that stupid to admit it, and I am sure you cant be that stupid to vote for a team of incompetents, without a good reason.

Posted by: George | September 23, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm still trying to get over the fact that on Obama's trip to the middle east and Europe, he was greeted as if he was our president...he was liked that much. It was as if the world was saying to us, "Hey, United States! We miss you dearly. You used to be so cool. We really like this Obama guy, and it would show us that you as a people really were hoodwinked and swindled into having Bush as your president for two terms."

Wow. How much more foreign policy experience do you need? It is not who you know, it is the quality of the relationships you form. That is why Obama is out and out the best choice.

The rest of the world is afraid of McCain and Palin's ethnocentrism.

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, just how far will the biased, sexist, liberal, Washington Post go to promote their candidates of choice "Black Jesus" (Obama) and "Saint Biden". I couldn't care less how many foreign leaders that Biden has met or how many Sarah Palin hasn't met. I want to know what each "presidential" candidate plans to do about the economy, a plan for affordable health care, the problems with illegal immigration, our dependance on foreign oil, and how they plan to get us out of Iraq. Meeting foreign leaders will take place when the need arises ... period. If the McCain/Palin ticket wins, I'd be willing to bet that she will do just fine meeting with any foreign leader. She is a very personable and capable woman. The foreign leaders will probably find her to be a refreshing change from the status quo. I think it's great that she is new to the Washington scene and she doesn't have the political baggage to drag around with her. She hasn't been bought by any the big corporation or tied to any criminals or terrorists, such as Rezko and Ayers. She is just a decent person who works for the people and would be a refreshing change from the regular Washington scum-bags. Joe Biden is an old stale Washington insider ... boring!!

Posted by: kaye1966 | September 23, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

All you republicans need to realise your party isnt conservative anymore.

The democratic party is more conservative then the republicans.

Just have a look at the last 8 years and how much money George Bush has spent. 19 billion a day on the war in iraq? Our deficit has doubled. Look at where we are at right now. If you republicans think this is good you seriously need to have your heads checked.

If McCain and Palin get in office get ready for a flood at the borders of canada because none of us little people will be able to afford to live here anymore. Simple things like eating will be too expensive. We will all be riding bicycles.

Posted by: Stan | September 23, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Well folks, this Friday's debate between Obama & McCain is going to be centered on foreign policy.

Hope your all gonna watch it, I've been waiting months for the thrashing Obama's about to deal out to McCain.

Posted by: Ryan | September 23, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget; the captain of the Titanic had years of experience behind his belt. While Sarah is learning the ropes, she is much more conscious of what is important in foreign relations, while Joe, who already thinks he knows everything, is just Biden' his time.

Posted by: Keith | September 23, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The New Stepford candidate.
First job, manage a family, well.
Do not go further until then.

Posted by: ande | September 23, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Where's Obama's list?

Please include dates, full details of the discussions, and what policy measures resulted from the discussions.

Tea and crumpets don't count as "foreign relations."

Oh, and tell the subcommittee Chairman it might be a good idea to convene his committee at least once while you're a Senator to do real business.

I hear he's really experienced at naming US Post Offices though.

Posted by: R. Miller | September 23, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

experience vs. judgement
biden - wrong side of Reagan military buildup and deployment of pershings.
biden -wrong side of first gulf war
biden - wrong side of surge
biden - wrong side of bankruptcy bill now needing to be modified.
biden - wrong side of judical nominations.
Therefore, I will take Palin's judgement over Biden's experience.

Posted by: cfc | September 23, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

the person who said that this story, put out by the ever popular "liberal media." is the reason why palin hasnt done more interviews. but wouldnt a strong intelligent person want to do more interviews to demonstrate that strength and grasp of the issues? the fact that she is being hidden from the media is the strongest indictment yet that she doesnt know enough to not look bad. I also think its interesting that even though mccain calls her a strong woman who would make a good president, he obviously doesnt think highly enough of her to allow her to speak to the media. Doesnt that speak volumes of what he actually think about her?

Posted by: laughing | September 23, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm Republican and I don't hate you. Yet, you and many like you seem to be filled with rage and hate against anyone who does not have the same beliefs.

Why can't you talk civilly, calmly and rationally vice speaking with spite?

I really don't understand it.

I'm certainly not a racist. And not knowing you, I wouldn't dare to guess your personal beliefs, so perhaps you shouldn't pre-judge (ie don't be prejudice) mine nor those of others.

Posted by: A Republican | September 23, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

So why isn't Biden the presidential candidate and not Obama? He is obviously the more experienced one that is running for VP and yet everyone continues to bash Palin for her inexperience. Take a second and think about which position is more important. Every liberal is content with the fact of having an inexperienced president with experience behind him in the VP slot. You can't make up that experience months before the election and certainly not while you are in office.

Posted by: Austin | September 23, 2008 8:37 PM

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If we are to continue talking about "experience" especially in the context of history isnt it important that folks actually do some research? Some presidents that have had the same amount of experience or even LESS than Obama....

Abe Lincoln (Boy was that a disaster- sarcasm of course)

Bill Clinton (Boy was that a disaster- sarcasm of course)

Geroge Bush (Boy was that a disaster- no sarcasm needed)

JFK (Lyndon Johnson VP.....hmmm eerily similiar to Joe Biden)

What does the GOP ticket offer us? A guy who was nearly indicted for a savings and loan scandal and whom, through his insistance on deregulation and due to his ridiculous economic policies (Supply-side) now finds himself borderline mute and babbling. Not to mention the rest of his "policies" that he has flip-flopped on to garner support from the far right. Mccain on deaths door chooses a PTA hockey Mom who is governer of a STATE 1/5 the size of the CITY of Chicago. With the following policies.....


Raised taxes as the Gov. of Alaska

Misled America about the Bridge to Nowhere, in her first national speech (She fully supported it and only killed it after the funding was cut anyhow) and continues to do so as many as four times a day on the campaign stump. She never returned the funds for the Bridge to Nowhere.
A 2006 question to Governor Palin …”Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?”
Answer: “Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”
Wants to teach creationism in Science Class, subverting the US Constitution
Tried to get books banned at the local library
Fired her entire staff 10 days into term as mayor, for lack of loyalty

Used every available lever to get an enemy fired from his job, and is still lying about it. She originally said she would cooperate with the investigation into this matter. She now says she will no longer cooperate and calls the investigation a “political witch-hunt” despite the fact that it is a bi-partisan investigation voted on unanimously for review.
Put a gag order on her administration as mayor of a town of 6500
Milked the Federal Government for huge series of earmarks, by using Jack Abramoff lobbyists. The highest per capita earmarker in the nation: Palin (27 Million for a town of 6500)

Charged 52 earmarks valued at $256 million in her first year as Alaska Governor and 31 earmarks valued at $197 million this year. Considerably HIGHER than Barrack Obama’s Eamark list he released in March of 2008 in the spirit of transparency.

Billed taxpayers in Alaska $43,490 for staying in her own home.

Lied about a teleprompter malfunction during her acceptance speech.

Touts the need to address special needs children but only did so by stepping in at the last minute to support a bill that she was chided for NOT supporting previously despite her sister having a child with autism.
Doesn’t believe in Global Warming
Used Alaska First as her campaign slogan, which is the same one as her husband’s old party, the AIP, a secessionist organization she recorded a supportive piece for this year! She was also the keynote speaker for AIP on several occasions and her husband was an ardent supporter and member of AIP.

The AIP founder Joe Voglar once stated, “I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." and "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Wants to ban stem cell research
Is on the record stating the Iraq war ”Is a task from God.”

In July when interviewed about the possibility of being the VP she stated that she did not know what the VP did.

Promotes the aerial slaughter of wolves.

McCain has called Palin the “smartest person in the country” when it comes to energy policy (Which is absurd onto itself) When asked if US Companies would be guaranteed the oil from a new expansion of Alaskan drilling she responded:
“Of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, you know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it's Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It's got to flow into our domestic markets first." Hugh? Is there an actual thought in there?

Left her town Mayoralty with a huge debt, having outspent all around in her (21 MILION in debt)
Charged women in Alaska for rape kits which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece

Supports abstinence only sex education. No other forms are acceptable.

Has never met a world leader which is unheard of. Every VP in the last 60 years has met a foreign leader.

Just received her passport in July of 2007. Only left the country once.

And, perhaps worst of all, Palin would insist that my 14 daughter carry and birth a rapist’s child

Experience? I have never had a mouthful of sh*t but i am sure i wont like it.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 23, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

isn't it nice that at least Palin has solid character and judgement ... in the eyes of the freaky christian set, where having the same strongly held values (though arbitrarily acquired through culture ... the same people would of course be upright moral muslims if they lived in Saudi Arabia) automatically, uncritically, makes you a person of the highest possible character and judgement. however, to be fair, if I ever meet a Palin supporter with the slightest grip on reality I'll make an unreserved abject apology for my sweeping generalizations

Posted by: snaxalotl | September 23, 2008 8:38 PM
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Thanks for this snaxalot!

I just wanted to re-post your post because it hits the nail right on the head.

Followers admire followers.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Loves this country wrote: The media has been slamming Gov. Palin since day one. Many wonder why she hasn't conducted more interviews with the media, I say this left-leaning, rag of a story explains volumes.
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You're saying your girl can't take it? She can't answer questions from the media, but she's qualified to run the country?

The reason she's not taking extemporaneous questions from the media is that her own campaign management doesn't have confidence in her ability to present herself well and field questions intelligently.

Posted by: Ben | September 23, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that any hate or insults are required people. Some will vote for Obama and Others McCain, still others will go for an Independent. Whomever you are, you're my American Brother or Sister and we're all in this together. I hope to see an end to this fighting and some positive steps to improve our country's situation. We need jobs, fair treatment from big businesses, a stable economy, and most of all we need to come together as one nation working together to solve our problems. There is allot of broken processes in our government, things that should work one way, but don't.

Yeah I know I'm asking allot, but I'm not the only one asking.
Try to look upon it as something to do together and to win our goals. Use your vote to voice your opinions and lay off of each other. Keep this process personal, learn what you can about it, choose, and then fix it.

Posted by: Olddog | September 23, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Austin, you are an idiot. For weeks, McCain and his surrogates have been hammering Obama about his experience. SO what does the 72 year old war hero do, he picks someone with even less experience than Obama as his running mate! Do you not see an inconsistency with this?

Posted by: Spode | September 23, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

You say Obama advocates change because the world hates us.

A) That is not entirely true.

B) And why do they hate us? Because we've elected Republicans who have caused world chaos twice! Having democrats (Joe Biden) in the white house would be a "fresh change" by your standards.

Posted by: Reason | September 23, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

This is an interesting read...

The 1992 CAMPAIGN -- Issues: Foreign Policy - Looking Abroad: Clinton and Foreign Policy/A special report.; Clinton's Foreign-Policy Agenda Reaches Across Broad Spectrum

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEFDC123EF937A35753C1A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

"It is impossible to predict," said Michael R. Beschloss, a historian of American foreign policy. "With any political leader, and especially a President, what they do in foreign policy is made up of two things: one is past experience and general philosophy, and the other is the pressure of events. In the case of Clinton, the past experience is severely limited. As far as the press of events, with the cold war now over, our ability to predict the foreign policy challenges of the next President are as unpredictable as at any time in 50 years."

As a man who has spent his entire career in state government in Arkansas, Mr. Clinton has no foreign policy record to run on or be judged against. Therefore, critics say, he has had the luxury of defining himself purely through a series of speeches. None of his ideas have had to meet the test of the real world.

Posted by: Interesting | September 23, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow I must get myself a job at the Washington post. If you can pick up a pay check by just reprinting press releases from the Obama/Biden campaign life must be good.

Posted by: Moose Hunter | September 23, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party is where all of the country's racists go. They don't join the Democratic party. They join the Republican party.

Tell me republicans, why is this?

Posted by: ReasoningWithRepublicansDoesntWork | September 23, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

This is pathetic. Washington post stoop new low by doing such comparison. They are as childish as Obama supporters. they just couldn't get over with it, Palin is way more popular than Biden, way more experienced than Obama, and is a woman too.

Liberats just couldn't quit being pathetic, except Clintons.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I think the idea is that Obama who has lived abroad, has close blood relations in several important U.S. allied countries, who has a global profile after his 18 month campaign which ignited an unprecedented global response including a crowd of more than 200,000 people just to hear him speak in a key NATO allied country, Germany. Obama who chairs the Senate subcomitee on Europe and Biden its former chair and chair of the Senate Foreign relations commitee who also have the foreign policy advantage of NOT BEING REPUBLICANS WHO ARE TRULY REVILED AS THE PARTY OF GEORGE BUSH! When you stack thier combined foreign relations experience with John McCains which includes still refering to south east asians as Gooks and I think we'd be fine with a side by side comparison in regards to which ticket has better foreign policy credentials. BTW Obama wouldn't antagonize Spain for no other reason than that he wouldn't admit to not knowing the name of its president, he wouldn't have to as HE KNOWS THE PRESIDENTS NAME!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama vs. McCain. Don't forget it.

Posted by: Chris | September 23, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Laughable...I love how the liberal media tags this story "Meetings with Foreign Leaders? Biden's Been There, Done That". Well, let's compare the top of both ticket and see how things compare. The media has been slamming Gov. Palin since day one. Many wonder why she hasn't conducted more interviews with the media, I say this left-leaning, rag of a story explains volumes.

Posted by: Loves this country | September 23, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Andrew wrote: Specifically, I would like to see how Obama's handshakes with Rezko and his academic relationship with Ayers stacks up to the relationship between McCain and Charles Keating in the eighties.

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The big comparison between these is that there is no suggestion by anyone that Obama's relationships with the men you mention were in any way illegal.

McCain, on the other hand, was investigated by Congress for possible corruption for his involvement with Keating.

Posted by: Ben | September 23, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Biden had been there done that - and did anybody notice? Answer No!


Posted by: J.P. | September 23, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

isn't it nice that at least Palin has solid character and judgement ... in the eyes of the freaky christian set, where having the same strongly held values (though arbitrarily acquired through culture ... the same people would of course be upright moral muslims if they lived in Saudi Arabia) automatically, uncritically, makes you a person of the highest possible character and judgement. however, to be fair, if I ever meet a Palin supporter with the slightest grip on reality I'll make an unreserved abject apology for my sweeping generalizations

Posted by: snaxalotl | September 23, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Does the GOP really think that taking pics of Palin chatting up foreign leaders qualifies as experience? I find this almost as frightening as Palin herself. When will the republicans stop insulting us?

Posted by: LULU | September 23, 2008 8:33 PM
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Unfortunately, there are people dumb enough to fall for it. Just look at some of the posts. That's why they are doing it. We have some stupid people living in 'Merica.

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

When you look at either party and what they have not accomplished how can any of you stand carte blanche behind either party and say they are the solution for the future? The last two congresses of Denny Hastert Republican, and Nancy Pelosi, Democrat are the worst in terms of accomplishments of any congress in 50 years or more.

Posted by: Gary | September 23, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

So why isn't Biden the presidential candidate and not Obama? He is obviously the more experienced one that is running for VP and yet everyone continues to bash Palin for her inexperience. Take a second and think about which position is more important. Every liberal is content with the fact of having an inexperienced president with experience behind him in the VP slot. You can't make up that experience months before the election and certainly not while you are in office.

Posted by: Austin | September 23, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Turn your backs on the evil empire. Vote Libertarian! And none of you can spell or form a sentence to save your lives.

Posted by: Liberty For All | September 23, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

if I am going to read one more post from a Palin/McCain supporter that praises their experience and judgment, I might just blow chunks, you people are so lost and your moral compass so f...ed up you probably won't be able to find your way out of the parking lot after your group therapy session, you lack reason and accountability, among other things, you barely qualify to be called a consumer, but I don't mean to put you down, as you could not go any lower in your brain power at which you currently crawling through.

Posted by: oh boy | September 23, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Great way to cover the fact that the Dem's #1 guy is deficient. Biden is also way partisan.

Of course, if you wanted REAL CHANGE you would never vote for either of the parties responsible for this 700 billion bail out. The two party system is what caused this, IMHO.

Posted by: Jim C. | September 23, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

You liberals don't even know a thing about your own candidate! Every time you bash Palin for inexperience you bash Obama you morons.

Posted by: Josh
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That is completely untrue. They have entirely different types of experience. At least Obama has been to other countries!! So let's talk about education....I will vote for a top student from Harvard over someone who had to go to FIVE different universities (many of them community-level) to get a simple journalism degree.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Good luck, Ms. Palin; you'll need it. You can cram all you want on foreign policy and learn how to pronounce the foreign leaders' names, but it's like trying to pass a graduate-level college course by using Cliff Notes. I realize your college degree in journalism might allow you to write a good story about the election, but trying to be an actual player in the story itself is a stretch, at best.

Posted by: Susan A | September 23, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"she thinks war with Russia is doable"

Obviously you didn't read the entire ABC Interview, and only what ABC chose to show you.

If you notice, she was even edited out in mid-sentence to make it seem that she favored unilateral action.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview

Look at her answer to,

"GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn’t we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia? "

And see how much was edited out.

Posted by: Bob | September 23, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

We all benefit from your careful side-by-side comparison of our VP nominees' foreign contacts. Since the Post is so vigilant in exposing the differences in experience of candidates, can we look forward to a side-by-side comparison of McCain and Obama?...on any kind of experience?

Posted by: Melanie Colton | September 23, 2008 8:09 PM
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This would be great. Specifically, I would like to see how Obama's handshakes with Rezko and his academic relationship with Ayers stacks up to the relationship between McCain and Charles Keating in the eighties.

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

jmls1, you mention all the coverage Palin got today.

I humbly differ. There was no coverage except a couple of 30 second photo ops. The press was locked out and she didn't take questions. There was nothing to report so the event is barely mentioned in the news. That's the price she pays for shunning the media.

Posted by: cekurs | September 23, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Does the GOP really think that taking pics of Palin chatting up foreign leaders qualifies as experience? I find this almost as frightening as Palin herself. When will the republicans stop insulting us?

Posted by: LULU | September 23, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Does the GOP really think that taking pics of Palin chatting up foreign leaders qualifies as experience? I find this almost as frightening as Palin herself. When will the republicans stop insulting us?

Posted by: LULU | September 23, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that's quite a list, I bet he's only 7 people away from knowing Kevin Bacon, too.

Posted by: Bobo4bush | September 23, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

No Comment..

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Does the GOP really think that taking pics of Palin chatting up foreign leaders qualifies as experience? I find this almost as frightening as Palin herself. When will the republicans stop insulting us?

Posted by: LULU | September 23, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Does the GOP really think that taking pics of Palin chatting up foreign leaders qualifies as experience? I find this almost as frightening as Palin herself. When will the republicans stop insulting us?

Posted by: LULU | September 23, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

XX wrote: I am more concerned with the length of Obama's list than Palin's. After all she is only running as a VP.

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On Obama's recent trip to the middle east and Europe, heads of state were tripping over themselves to meet him. Two-hundred thousand Germans came out to hear him speak. Reports in today's paper say that some candidates for election in Brazil have renamed themselves Barak Obama.

Compare that to the disdain that the rest of the world shows for Bush. Obama is a charismatic leader as already displayed in the international arena.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you're a "right winger" if you vote for McCain Palin and you're just a sensible logic and reasoning practicing moderate if you vote for Obama and Biden (he's such a great diplomat he contradicts Obama in several of his own messages! haha!)

Riiiiight.

You liberals don't even know a thing about your own candidate! Every time you bash Palin for inexperience you bash Obama you morons.

Posted by: Josh | September 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm let's see now....
The reason we were supposed to vote Obama is Change....because the World hates us.
Palin presents a fresh change, so.....What does Biden represent?


Far be for me to be the one to point out that if we keep the same thing in International relations, we will get the same results.

The best resume for the job belongs to the woman.
Think of the Ronald Regan years when a young Gov. started. Who would have thought he would be telling anyone to "tear down that wall"?

New is Good.

Palin 2008

Hillary Clinton / Maize Hirano 2012

Posted by: dottydo | September 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Biden met CJ? He definitely gets my vote now. What a legend.

Posted by: festinog | September 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I would rather see the names of the individuals who raised money for him who have been indicted and are either awaiting sentencing or who are in jail.

Two from Illinois who come to mind are Joe Cari and Tony Rezko!

Posted by: Mike H | September 23, 2008 7:52 PM
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Or, maybe we can learn about some of the people who donated over 100,000 to John McCain and took his family on vacations in the 80's. Charles Keating comes to mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

If only their was a "speed dating" equivalent for meeting foreign heads of state....Palin would be set.

Doesn't it bother you GOP supporters that her "token" meeting of, what 2 or 3 foreign heads, is a cynical ploy to add some weight to her foreign policy experience? A little obvious don't you think?

Funny, she gets asked one question in her ABC interview about how many foreign heads of state she's met, and this week she's there having hand shake photo op's with a few at the U.N today.

Now she's ready to step in as president from day one :)

Posted by: Ryan | September 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Pretty hard up and scared to have to write an artical about Biden's F/P resume'

SAD!

Posted by: Mike in MD | September 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I will agree that Palin has zero international experience. But is it required?

What kind of foreign experience did Carter, Reagan, Clinton, George W. have prior?

That said, having "met" someone doesn't equal having actually "worked" with someone, or anyone for that matter.

Living abroad doesn't equate to foreign diplomatic experience.

And, because someone has spent 35 (or 26) years in a Government institution doesn't make them qualified to be VP or President.

Guess what? None of it's required by law.

I'm not saying Palin is qualified to be President, but we have a lot of 20 to 30 year career people in the military - doesn't mean they should be running it.

I'm Republican. If had to choose between Obama and Clinton - I would choose Hilliary every day of the week.

Clinton vs McCain? McCain.

Posted by: Brad in FL | September 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

The difference is McCain will probably die in office and then we've got a soccer mom whose voice squeaks when she tries to be 'tough'. I'll take Obama / Biden of those two clowns any day.

Posted by: Andrew | September 23, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

These posts are correct.

Photo ops won't do it, neither will canned, repetitive speeches that just tear away at the opponent.

I need to see and hear her thought process, her ability to think on her feet, her opinions, and who she is other than a hockey mom who has stage presence and can deliver a prepared speech of other people's opinions.

In the absence of a solid record of worthy accomplishment as a small town mayor and an oil governor, there is absolutely nothing on which to base my vote. Her partner, McCain, loses credibility every day.

Posted by: TJW | September 23, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"Judging from the eight-page document -- which Biden's office said was only a "partial list" -- Biden has quite a headstart on Palin."

More misdirection from the Obama Media.

How 'bout this perspectitive: Biden's been a US Senator for 35 flippin' years and has basically accomplished less than glamour boy John Kerry -- quite a feat.

The number of world leaders he's shook hands with has not benefitted the US in any significant way. In fact it's a negative on old Joe.


Posted by: ruralamericans | September 23, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I dont know about who met who, and I dont care. I dont want to vote for Palin because of how she thinks, she thinks war with Russia is doable, because she heard her and McCain will go in a bunker, and watch us die for them.

All you Palin lovers, go f urselves.

Posted by: George | September 23, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Palin got a passport for the first time last year! My college-age kids have had passports a decade longer than that. I suppose that means they have foreign policy experience ... though they can't see Russia from our house.

Posted by: Ben | September 23, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I am more concerned with the length of Obama's list than Palin's. After all she is only running as a VP.

Posted by: XX | September 23, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

TO SIGMOND: Big deal. Palin has solid character and judgment as evidenced by per history. That's what matters. Name dropping as an ingredient to foreign policy expertise means nothing without character and judgment.
Posted by: Sigmond
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Palin's solid judgment? As acknowledged by her history? You mean when she abused her power for personal reasons to get a state trooper fired? Or her support for the Bridge to Nowhere? Or her use of personal e-mail for government-related business? Or the fact that she doesn't believe in man-made global warming? Maybe you should just talk about her character. But wait-- she preaches abstinence-only sex education (a failed policy demonstrated by none other than her 17-year old soon to be married daughter) and is against abortion even in cases of rape and incest. That tells me that she is an extremist and reflects very poorly on her character. Besides, what do we even know about her competence yet? She hasn't even been tested. Your defense of her has no substance whatsoever.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Take away all the ones Biden met only once, had a brief conversation over the weather and the list is probably just as long as Palin's.

Posted by: Brian G | September 23, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone focus on Palin's experience and not Obamas? Obama has VERY limited foreign affairs experience and 0 executive experience. Sarah Palin has VERY limited executive experience (althouth still more than Obama, Biden, and even McCain combined) and 0 foreign affairs experience. The difference is Palin is running for VP and Obama for President...

For the most powerful position in the world, the democratic party has put us all at risk by putting forth the most inexperienced candidate they could find.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Great. Now do you have a list of International Incidents that were narrowly averted by intense diplomatic efforts after Biden made some bizarre gaffe with that foreign leader?

Like joking with a Middle Eastern head of state on how many camels for the beautiful daughter, Ha Ha Ha?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 23, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

IF THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN comes out screaming that Gov. Palin now has international experience I am going to LMAO.

I hope they claim this experience during the debates so that all of America can join me in LMAO once more.

Posted by: Angelou | September 23, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Not a right winger but, considering he left college to become a professional politician and that is all he has done his whole life, I would expect that he would have been to every country in the World (especially considering the committees he's on). No one doubts his credentials. And in fact, he is a fine man. As Bill Clinton said, "get over Palin and focus on Obama and McCain and the issues." Enough idiots. Quit writing these meaningless posts. So his dick is bigger.

Posted by: So What | September 23, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Judging from the eight-page document -- which Biden's office said was only a "partial list" -- Biden has quite a headstart on Palin.

UNLESS THEY DIDN'T LIKE HIM !

Posted by: tlbitner | September 23, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

My daddy tol' me watch out fer the pretty face. Lipstick can smear

Posted by: Mr Palin | September 23, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

With legitimate concerns over her qualifications if not fitness, Palin should be eager to convince voters of her preparedness and ability to think on her feet. She owes her country and the process nothing less. Instead, she is confined to controlled events and scripted remarks. On face value, this is both suspicious and alarming. This conspicuous hiding ought to be the central question hanging over her candidacy and dominate the national dialogue about her. If the far right seems willing to entrust our nation to a stranger based on superficial first impression, the rest of us need to all the more vigilant. For unless she receives scrutiny and starts to reveal herself we have no way of knowing if we are asked to put a viper into our midst.

Posted by: marcpatriot | September 23, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"Since the Post is so vigilant in exposing the differences in experience of candidates, can we look forward to a side-by-side comparison of McCain and Obama?...on any kind of experience?" (Posted by: Melanie Colton). Of course! Here we go: McCain is in the same league as Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush. Obama is in the same league as JFK. "One can repeat the same stupid mistake over and over again, and call it 'experience.'"

Posted by: Todd Cheney | September 23, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

hahahaha!! Wow...Palin is qualified? It's her first DAY of meeting with international leaders....God save us all if this know-nothing woman becomes our VP. Biden obviously has the diplomatic experience we need....the fact that Obama/Biden aren't blowing this election out of the water is further testament to the incompetence of our nation's electorate

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

First four posts from right-wingers and, as usual, they just talk trash. No substance related to the content of the article about Biden's experience, nothing intelligent, just hate talk. Typical.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Now what would induce a "news reporter" to ask for a list of the number of world leaders Biden has met with? And then to compare with Palin--absurd! Left to Biden, Saddam Hussein would still be in Kuwait since he voted against the 1st Gulf War. His dumb-assed idea of partitioning Iraq could only lead to a doubly complicated Israeli-Arab style conflict. No matter how many people he's sucked up to, the guy's still an idiot.

Posted by: moeursalen | September 23, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

The guy who came up with the list must be from England.

First, the Irish don't have a Prime Minister anymore that the US does. The proper name is Taoiseach. The English have a Prime Minister, the Irish, a Taoiseach. If the English had a Taoiseach, the Irish would have a Prime Minister.

Second, Bertie Ahern has been out of office since April.

That said, McCain is from N.Ireland and Sarah Palin can't see the isle from her bedroom so I'll not be voting for her.

Posted by: Mike | September 23, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

That is impressive. His list of leaders he has met with is longer than Obama's whole resume...

Posted by: Biden | September 23, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I met Crown Prince Shaikh Salman bin Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa at a tapas bar in Frisco once. He's a lot shorter in person.

Posted by: Benjamin Marrone | September 23, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Every night Sarah meets Todd Palin (activist of Alaska Independent Party which struggles to secede from the Union) in her bedroom; which almost qualifies him as a foreign leader. Biden cannot beat that.

Posted by: Todd Cheney | September 23, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

We all benefit from your careful side-by-side comparison of our VP nominees' foreign contacts. Since the Post is so vigilant in exposing the differences in experience of candidates, can we look forward to a side-by-side comparison of McCain and Obama?...on any kind of experience?

Posted by: Melanie Colton | September 23, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Big deal. Palin has solid character and judgment as evidenced by per history. That's what matters. Name dropping as an ingredient to foreign policy expertise means nothing without character and judgment.

Posted by: Sigmond | September 23, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Biden has been there and done that, and what happened. What has he ever accomplished or solved? He has been in Washington for 36 years and what has happened there? Being there is certainly not enough. "Driving an group to success is attempted by many. Leading a group to success is accomplished by few" Biden is not one of the few!!

Posted by: gary | September 23, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

In the meantime, Ms. Sarah Palin continues her education. I hope she meets with Lou Reed after her policy briefing with Bono.

Steven Edwards reports for Canwest News Service: "Sarah Palin is set to upstage George W. Bush in New York Tuesday as the Republican vice-presidential candidate meets world leaders and the singer Bono on the margins of the United Nations World Summit."

Posted by: frankbrit | September 23, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

That's funny Palin is meeting world leaders? I thought John Q. Budweiser from the GOP called that being a celebrity?

Oh wait...it's OK if you're a snowwhite pitbull in lipstick.

As for Biden's list. HILARIOUS that that Flight Attendant Palin thinks she can so much as hold a lighter, let alone a candle to Biden or Obama in any way-shape-or form.

That high pitched moron is meeting with BONO for godsake. Why is there even a debate if your IQ is in the triple digits?

Posted by: JN | September 23, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Presumably, all of those who comment so dismissively about Biden's impressive resume are outraged that Sarah Palin is getting so much coverage for pressing the flesh at the U.N today. After all, they get their news from a Fair and Balanced source. Pfffft.

Posted by: jmls1 | September 23, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I can see Russia from my house and will never answer any questions cause I am a GOP ditzy biatch.

Posted by: Palin | September 23, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the point of this article. Of course as chairman of the subcommittees on Europe and Africa and as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during his 35 years as senator he would have a long list of experiences. What would an equally long list of McCain's experience versus a very short list of Obama's as senator accomplish? One should be careful about trying to compare Biden and Palin in terms of experience, Obama's lack thereof compared to McCain's will also show.

Posted by: À mon avis | September 23, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Looks like he's spent a lot of time "meeting." I wonder how much time he's spent "doing" anything.

Posted by: N C | September 23, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

So, what does the Post expect in return for an ad such as this?

Posted by: Chet F | September 23, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I would rather see the names of the individuals who raised money for him who have been indicted and are either awaiting sentencing or who are in jail.

Two from Illinois who come to mind are Joe Cari and Tony Rezko!

Posted by: Mike H | September 23, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

So, is Biden running for the vice presidency of the U.S., or is he running for the head of the U.N.?

Joe Biden: “I am not interested in the vice presidency”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ilBItS3nc

Posted by: American | September 23, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, is that the UN Building!?

Cool, I'm now an international expert!

No, I don't want to go inside, they have heathens in there!!"

Posted by: Mrs Palin | September 23, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

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