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Hot Mic Picks Up Noonan and Murphy Dishing on Palin

By Jose Antonio Vargas
It's all Palin, all the time, on the Web.

Just hours before Gov. Sarah Palin's speech tonight in St. Paul, Minn., the latest YouTube video making the rounds captures off-the-cuff comments from prominent conservative columnist Peggy Noonan and former John McCain campaign manager Michael Murphy following a segment that aired today on NBC with Chuck Todd. Thinking that the microphone had been turned off -- or, perhaps, that the video signal had stopped transmitting -- Noonan and Murphy ripped into Palin as a political choice who would weigh down the GOP ticket.

"It's over," said Noonan.

Asked if Palin was the most qualified woman for the Republican running mate slot, Noonan replied, "The most qualified? No. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives and [inaudible] the picture."

Later, she continued, "Every time the Republicans do that because that's not where they
live and it's not what they're good at and they blow it."

Added Murphy, "You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of
McCain is no cynicism and this is cynical."

In her Wall Street Journal column today, Noonan was more circumspect in writing about Palin.

"The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work," she wrote. "It's not going to be a little successful or a little not; it's not going to be a wash. She is either going to be magic or one of history's accidents. She is either going to be brilliant and groundbreaking, or will soon be the target of unattributed quotes by bitter staffers shifting blame in all the Making of the President 2008 books. Of which there should be plenty, as we've never had a year like this, with the fabulous freak of a campaign."

By Web Politics Editor  |  September 3, 2008; 7:34 PM ET
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"They are not mavericks in the least. Obama is."

Really? Maybe you can back up this empty rhetoric with ONE thing that Obama has ever done that reached across the aisle and made his party upset with him. Just ONE please! Obama as an empty hat of hot air -- there is only ONE candidate who has actually a record of working in a post-partisan fashion, who has actually achieved landmark legislation that was bipartisan and for which his own party looked at him as a maverick -- that is John McCain. Barak Obama is nothing but a product of his own narcissism.

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Posted by: FancyYork | September 4, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Those who know Palin's record recognized the lies she was telling during her speech. She was FOR the 'bridge to nowhere' from the start and the first thing she did in office was to HIRE a lobby firm. So how can she claim to fighting lobbyists?

She put her small town in the RED and RAISED taxes 38%. Obama's plan actually lowers taxes for 83% of Americans - the opposite of what she claimed.

It goes on and on. She is a terrible choice and a complete phony. McCain is part of the old Washington establishment that she pretends to be against. They are not mavericks in the least. Obama is.

I'd rather have a Harvard educated expert on the Constitution with excellent judgement any day than a man whose qualifications are graduating at the bottom of his class and following Bush programs to the hilt.

Posted by: Not Impressed | September 4, 2008 3:11 AM | Report abuse


Lol. Funny stuff. I guess not all clueless media elites are liberals.

All media elites are eating their words now.


PALIN POWER!

Posted by: julie | September 4, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

So you think this is the end for the Republican party because of the speeches you heard this past evening? A week ago I wasn't even considering writing anything on the election, but the vitriolic diatribes on this blog has inspired me to get involved. You think this is the end....you think I'm putting on weight?

Posted by: A US Voter | September 4, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Surprising comments coming from Noonan, one of the primary authors of the Reagan "narrative."

Ah well, good thing the crime of "rank hypocracy" went out with the 20th century, just as the concept of "shame" expired sometime in 1964.

Posted by: Ronnie's girl | September 4, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Peggy Noonan has been bitter for years. She is a has been and doesn't realize it yet.

Posted by: Informed Voter | September 3, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Well now, given that NBC has shown they can be trusted to provide "fair and balanced" coverage of this election (Google McCain's complains on same) and that none of us have ever seen "disgruntled employees" out to "get" their former bosses...this sure sounds like credible arm-chair-quarter-backing. While they might ultimately prove correct, it is a shame we can't all be at least a bit more civil about it, like a little "point PLUS counterpoint" in...get this, real-time. We can do reality TV shows and so many others in real time. Heck, many of us even do that on the fly in plenty of discussions and even our own consideration on prospective upsides and downsides. Why not a tone all around of how historic this entire election cycle already is? How about some of the currently/ trending common themes noticed by the discerning, between the previously all-too-vitriolic party leadership and campaign rhetoric plus media-pandering to same that are common themes seemingly trying to "bust out" and step...imagine this...ABOVE the muck of "politics as usual" and debate plus coverage of same also "as usual." The vast mid section of this nation and the bulk of the rest of the globe are finally disgusted and this election is helping make it clear. Regrettably most pundits haven't quite seen that or if they have; their usual formulae for selling their goods doesn't compute this. A great shame; they'd best change their model soon or they could see their influence and fortunes gone surprisingly quickly. It is easy to be destructive and cynical. How about some real-brain-stretching and focusing on the constructive, positive and encouraging. Is this foolish? Nope, not at all; not when you realize the entire underpinnings of our society is about trust (it drives all economics in the free world as much as any other word) and of course trust is little more than what we hope and perceive. It begins by getting us out of bed everyday. How about some bold leadership from the people, the media and others like from the business sector, civic/ policy leaders, etc., to build upon this incredible opportunity to rise above decades of downward spiraling vitriol that have defined far too much of how this Great Nation selects our leadership! It is an increasingly thankless job even without "We The People" making it more so. That is, for those who strive to advance real change let alone get elected if they happen to not agree with big media, for example or the typically extremist leadership from both CONTROLLING (another problem) parties. How can we expect anything greater than only the most ruthless, hardened or mediocre otherwise choosing to subject themselves and others close to them, to the absurd levels of self-righteous scrutiny "We the People" allow for and support with our viewing and dollars and ultimately votes to the leadership of both parties who also allow and often lead the charges doing so? We should all be ashamed. Where's the supposed Noble Essence of our nation in "forgiveness?" Do we really want Superhuman "Saint-like" leaders who have never failed so they could learn lessons that would never otherwise be learned, including humility? Let's all try and conduct ourselves as though we're not here for very long (even 100 years is not that long!) and that perhaps we're leaving more of a legacy than we realize with each and everything we do or tacitly support by our inaction. One day we might otherwise regret our conduct or lack of it and that of those around us or those whose papers and news we patronize or of those we elect and too often don't hold accountable because, after all, "they're there watching out for our own interests back home versus the greater combined interests merely ensuring our own local ones don't get trampled in the process." America can no longer afford the mentality of Beltway Leadership being about "Go to that Huge Grab Bag of Money and Get Some for Us, will You?!" We are the Leaders of the Western World, Freedom and Capitalism and we can lead on so much more but leadership needs to be earned; no human nor any nation is anointed leadership (in the free world). Each of us can start with the little things (ripples) and as Bobby Kennedy said...those can multiply into a current that can bring down walls of oppression and injustice. If there ever was a time for each of us helping to drive change for the betterment of all, why not during this Internet Age? Like that famous scholar Yoda said, "...there is no try," though I'd differ in that at least trying (really) is better than doing nothing at all.

Posted by: SRMarzocco | September 3, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse


"
'republicans have run the country into the ground'

You lose major points for tiresome hyperbole.
"

YOU lose major points for being in denial and attempting to deflect responsibility with boring wit.

This video is spectacular; what a luxury when the most biting criticism comes from within the republican party itself! saves the democrats a lot of work.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this Palin is ready for the daytime soaps! Give her an Emmy! NOT!!!! I am totally insulted by her fear mongering propaganda!!! I think it's safe to say she just built McCain his bridge to nowhere!!!!

Posted by: Kristen | September 3, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Kim Novak was a man.

Don't be afraid of the truth.

patriotsquestoinkimnovak.org

Posted by: therealconspiracy | September 3, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

9/11 was an inside job.

Don't be afraid of the truth.

patriotsquestion911.org

Posted by: Left/Right Paradigm | September 3, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

You republicans should have been aborted.

Posted by: Jason | September 3, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Yep. there's a she-version now.

Posted by: JackieD | September 3, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, fake JakeDs. I'm watching the speeches.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"The "butt" of jokes so to speak?"

It's surprising you CAN speak.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Palin is such a MILF! I'll bet she makes some great brownies! What do you think gents? Question is though- When will she stop being a laughing stock? The "butt" of jokes so to speak?

Posted by: darr | September 3, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey 8.40 JakeD, why are you telling everyone I am a Repug? I've got a D at the end of my name for a reason.
Forgive me people. This dude is annoying me. I'll try to figure out who it is.
Meanwhile continue the McCain bashing.
Yay!

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"During last month's forum at the Saddleback Church, Obama was asked when "a baby gets human rights." He fudged: "Answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade." But there is nothing hesitant about Obama's abortion stance. As an Illinois lawmaker, he opposed a bill making it clear that premature babies born alive after surviving a failed abortion must be protected and cannot be killed or simply left to die. Even after virtually identical legislation -- the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 -- passed unanimously in the US House and Senate, Obama continued to oppose the state version. On abortion, no presidential candidate has ever been so extreme."

That "above my pay grade" flippancy is gonna haunt him. In Pub attack ad, after attack ad, after attack ad ...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Voting for a woman is almost as bad as voting democrat. I aint voting.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"manages to cede from the union"

How do you manage to cede from the union?

Did you mean seed from the onion?

Posted by: Chuckamok | September 3, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The truth hurts!!! Murphy and Noonan are expressing what many republicans are saying quietly to themselves.

Posted by: Olephant W. | September 3, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

vote for me for prez. everybody will smoke a little pot like mrs palin. nothing wrong with that. let you kids do want they want get pregnant or whatever. both hubbie and me should keep it on the down low about our affairs. because we both know we are boring each other to death. vote for drunk & dazed for president. you won't be sorry you did.

pass that bottle of gin please.

Posted by: drunk & dazed | September 3, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

>> "... I'm disowning the States."

> So where will you be moving to? Canada? Venezuela?

Maybe Alaska? Once the Independence party Palin spoke for (and which her husband registered with) manages to cede from the union, it might be kinda nice to live under a socialist welfare government that pays you $1,654.00 per year just to live there.

Of course, they have to find some way to keep pulling in the billions of dollars in earmarks that Republican Sen. Ted 'Tubes' Stevens managed to get from the rest of the USA. Maybe Sarah Palin can help him out by running Ted's Political Action Committee again to help bring in the money?

Posted by: Q | September 3, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Noonan REALLY stepped in it. Did somebody say she tried to crabwalk away from it in print somewhere?

This I GOTTA see.

;)

Posted by: Chuckamok | September 3, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Austin on my mind.@ 9:12 pm...... your point well taken,that neither of the two presidential candidates are what we need as
POTUS , whoever wins it will be a one term presidency.
The REAL election coming in 2012 will determine
the future of the USA !!!
ps. to others.....the American voters do not need advice OR approval from " the world" to make their presidential decision
thank you very much.

Posted by: M A Andrews | September 3, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin - DOPES you can believe in.

Posted by: napperfat | September 3, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin will implode before election day.

Posted by: Lauren | September 3, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

jake d. crawl back inside the garbage can u came from. i feel same way u do. about honkies. we need some new fresh ideas. all this old stinking money need to go away.

Posted by: 6 pack deb | September 3, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Joe C: Don't worry. Obama's odds have shot through the roof with McCain's pick of Palin. McCain should've picked Mrs. Hutchinson from Texas if he needed a woman or Huckabee if he wanted to solidify the base. McCain's campaign is out there fending for itself and they're NOT doing well.


Just read this:

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/angry_amateurs.html

As someone from McCain's home state, I have to tell you that it's like McCain was replaced by a pod person about 3 years ago. Right about then, he changed completely, started supporting Bush 95% of the time. Now he's giving a cold shoulder to the media he used to love to shoot the breeze with. He USED to be different. Then he started running for President and the 'Straight Talk Express' lost a few wheels.

I suspect they replaced him with a Bush clone. It's too bad. I've voted for McCain more than once, but I can't continue.

All I can think of is that old Folgers coffee commercial. "We've secretly replaced the McCain you knew with an impostor. Let's see if anybody notices."

Posted by: Joe | September 3, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Were Washinton Jefferson Lincoln Rosevelt Kennedy Regan the best qualified to run for office?

Posted by: jnc | September 3, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, I find that particularly disgusting. A great cause for swiftboating."

He shoulda voted "Present" on that one, too.

Worked all the other times.

Yeah, on his Oval Office desk, instead of "The Buck Stops Here" sign he'll have one that says "Present."

Putin will quake in his jackboots.

Posted by: Chuckamok | September 3, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh such fun to watch the GOP self destruct.

And those postings, from the last, loyal holdouts, are quite amusing. Funny really.

But sad in a way.

Posted by: Bob From an Elite State | September 3, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"muman613" - Real name, Barbara Bush.

Posted by: elmerg | September 3, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Keating 5 / troopergate '08
reform you can believe in!

Posted by: PFJ | September 3, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

With my glee, I watch the conservative movement die in front of me.

Say, "adios" conservatives.

Its over.

Posted by: bob | September 3, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

If you Democrats were truly worried about inexperience in high office, you would not have nominated Obama. And for VP? You guys are hypocritical jokes.

Let's face it, Dems want to raise taxes and gain more control over daily lives. They want to control what you eat, drink, drive, and yes, think. (Example: the enforced "utopia" portrayed in the movie 'Demolition Man'.)

Posted by: Rui | September 3, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm excited to hear Palin rail against "elites" to buttress the doddering campaign of her boss, John Ten-Homes McCain. They've got nothing left to run on--the war's a fiasco, was a war of Lies, and they know it; economy they mismanaged; foreign policy was a fiasco. So go for the Northern Exposure ambience, as far right and redneck as you can sound. Unfortunately for them, there are too many real concerns people have, to be completely hornswoggled. Then again, there were enough people stupid enough to not see that the push for Iraq war was a marketing exercise, and enough people stupid enough to vote for Bush, the most chimpanzee-like president we've ever had, not once, but twice. (Of course one must qualify that by pointing out that Gore actually won in 2000.) By the way, I voted for Romney for governor in Mass. even though I'm a Democrat, and the guy turned out to be a joke. Mr. Slick's a has-been now. Give it up, Mitt. And it's funny to hear him joking about private jets in his feeble dig at Gore.

Posted by: Plutonium57 | September 3, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is for terminating the life of babies who survive abortion."

Yeah, I find that particularly disgusting. A great cause for swiftboating.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Romney is already running his 2012 campaign for the

GOP nomination by leaking anti-Palin stories to the

press.

(See Boston Herald and anonymous negative GOP quotes about Palin)

Posted by: Bob Rhode Island | September 3, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a big liar and racist. He belonged to a church which was openly anti-American and anti-Semitic. Obama has a RECORD of voting to the far left of American politics. Obama has no experience in foreign policy. Obama may not even be an American citizen. Obama is for terminating the life of babies who survive abortion. Obama supports destroying American military superiority. Obama wants to TALK to terrorists. Obama has personal relationships with terrorists Bill Ayers. Obama and his church think Loius Farrakhan deserves a merit. Obama wants to raise taxes during a recession. For any one of these things I would not, could not, vote for Obama. In order to prevent Obama from destroying this country I will vote for whomever his opponent is. America doesnt deserve someone as evil and perverted as Obama.

Posted by: muman613 | September 3, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"... I'm disowning the States."

So where will you be moving to? Canada? Venezuela?

Posted by: Chuckamok | September 3, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy are guilty of saying what all Americans are expressing privately"

Wow, you know what ALL Americans think.

Simply amazing.

Will the Cubbies win the World Series?

Posted by: Chuckamok | September 3, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Joe C- What country do you live in? Because if McCain and Palin win, I'm disowning the States. I've tried to hang in there, but this rampant neo-conservatism is just too disheartening.

Posted by: devastated | September 3, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the last 8 years have been a liberal phenom accourding to Romney. WOW are f-ing kidding me? How stupid are you America is you buy this idea that the GOP is running a reform change ticket that wants reform from what? ....itself?????!!!! Also accourding to the GOP the issues are not important. America again are you that stupid?
This dog and pony show is a charade and even the rupblicans like Noonan and the like know it. The level of spin the GOP is generating this cycle is truly mind numbing. Good luck losers and good ridence.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 3, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy are guilty of saying what all Americans are expressing privately to themselves and that is Palin was a cynical selection, an attempt to woo disaffected Hillary Clinton zealots and its backfired in the McCain camps face. Of all the qualified women in the republican party-what makes Sarah Palin standout? I mean, she's plagued by scandals and she has no national experience--period.

Posted by: Edward R. | September 3, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

funny how it's all of a sudden acceptable to to have a promiscuous daughter if you're white and rich, but God forbid if that was Obama's kid...the "baby's daddy'jokes would be a fly'in.....

McCain owns how many homes? What a hypocrit- and the fear card is being thrown out by Romney as we speak.

If the republicans knew the truth about 9/11 they wouldn't be laughing.

Posted by: sheila | September 3, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"republicans have run the country into the ground"

You lose major points for tiresome hyperbole.

Posted by: Chuckamok | September 3, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The real problem with this election, the elephant in the room that no one talks about, is the fact that both of these presidential candidates are completely the wrong guys for the job.

If you seriously think that a very junior senator is the right thing for this country, you are mistaken. If you seriously think that a 72 yr-old man who is well past his prime is the right thing for this country, you are mistaken.

Whoever wins will be a one-term president, because we have some seriously tough times in front of us, and the "winner" is going to find himself in way over his head.

God Bless the U.S.A. ... we need it.

Posted by: Austin on my mind | September 3, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

What a lame speech by Romney- blaming everything on the liberals- yet the republicans have run the country into the ground. Rich people think the country is just great because they don't have to deal with the problems that they created- it's easy to think the world is wonderful when you have a BMW in the driveway and a billion dollar home in the suburbs.

Posted by: susie | September 3, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

"If you can't stand the heat ....get the heck out of the kitchen !!"

Yep. Obama keeps trying to declare (fill in the blank) off limits. But dang if folks keep PRYING!

;)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

As soon as you throw your name in the hat for Pres or VP, your whole life goes under the microscope-but that's politics.

This isn't kindergarten...it's the race to lead the country. If you can't stand the heat ....get the heck out of the kitchen !!

Remember how people made fun of Chelsea in her teen years? Sorry- nothing is off limits in politics.

Posted by: lucy | September 3, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain as never been a Mayor, or a Govenor.
None of the candidates have been President of the United States, which means they will start at the same starting gate.

Posted by: letsjustvote | September 3, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Papa John really went to the john on this one. But the reason it will work is simply that it is a distraction and so long as people are distracted, well, papa will slip into 1600 Penn Ave by way of One Observatory Circle. Distraction--that's the strategy, my friends. After all, if the campaign is not about issues, you add one more fault line, one more point to fracture the electorate on, and before you know it...there is John Sidney in the spotlight!

Posted by: KG | September 3, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

"Noonan's credibility just went to zero..."

Gotta agree with that.

;)

Posted by: Chuckamok | September 3, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Peggy Noonan said what every thinking person in America has been saying all week.

Gov. Palin's, "Nyah Nyah Nyah" speech, Mr. Schmidts attack on the media and the McCain Campaign's umbrage at Campbell Brown all point to their lack of credibility, their mis-handling of an important issue (selecting the Vice President of the United States) and puts Senator McCain's rash personality and judgment into question
at a time when he should be in the clear and running for the finish line.

He's running a terrible campaign and asking us to make him the President.

If you want a record of executive ability - consider the fact that Obama defeated a former First Lady and US Senator plus her popular ex-president husband in a heated national campaign!

Winning Organizer of multi million dollar national movement VS. The Mayor of Nowhere?

It IS over. Except for the part where the loser gets to blame the media.

Posted by: John Quimby | September 3, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Get back in line little republican sheople... Thinking and speaking for yourselves will not be tolerated!

Posted by: KarlRove SheepHerder | September 3, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"Beneath all of this nobody seems to question McKain's judgment."

You must live in a vacuum. "McKain" has been trashed non-stop since making that decision.

Posted by: Chuckamok | September 3, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

So Peggy Noonan and McCain's former campaign manager go on TV and spew a bunch of happy talk about Palin and the McCain campaign -- you know, for the "useful idiots" in the audience. Then off-camera they say what they really think.

Just shows you that these people are dishonest propagandists. Noonan's credibility just went to zero...you know, the same as the rest of the GOP.

Posted by: Jim | September 3, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I am deeply concerned about McKain let alone his choice which only reinforces my concern. Let's not bash Palin - she was given a plum offer and I don't believe she had the maturity to refuse it. How many would? - so let's not blame her. As far as her family issues go I think it is a cross for her to bear - let's not make it worse.

I do worry about rumors about Palin - but please remember they are only rumors. Its amazing that the press cannot verify her membership in the Alaskan Independence Party which sought secession(talk of "Country First"). The removal of her security chief to revenge a messy family divorce, if true, is equally troubling.

Beneath all of this nobody seems to question McKain's judgment. The Palin frenzy has enabled McKAin to get a free ride on his experience and judgment. The Yes he has had many years in the Senate but he did not understand the difference between Sunnis and SHias until prompted by others. I don't care how many years he was in the Foreign Relation Committee. In fact the more years he spent the more I am troubled by the lack of his knowledge. McKain is a good politician but this time I am afraid he will not be able to fool us. It is well known that as people grow old that they tend to become more rigid and stubborn in their thinking. This is a physiological fact. His decision process seems to attest to that. He seems far too rash and reckless. Not a maverick - but a mav-WRECK.
I see visions of WW3 if he is elected. I hope I am wrong.

Posted by: danield | September 3, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

The truth WILL set you free!

Posted by: elmerg | September 3, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

After this election, the Republicans will have to reconstitute, reorganize, and rename their party.

Because of Karl Rove, "Republican" has become synonymous with "liar."

Posted by: Abe Lincoln | September 3, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

It is so funny and ridiculous that the right wing guys like Dobson, supporting sex before marriage. How low can he go? He is nothing other than a hypocrite. I don't know, how he call himself a Christian. As long as ignorent people follow him, he will make money out of them, and use Christ for his own sake. Is he following in anything that Jesus Christ said? Jesus said, if you are following me, you will discard everything including your family and "money". Dobson's God is money.He is such a hypocrite.

Posted by: Not one of these "born again" christian, but follow Jesus | September 3, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Those two rats were exposed for what they really are. If they didn't like the nomination, they should've said so publicly -- other conservatives did.

What's even more pathetic is Noonan trying to explain it away in her column.

Todd looks pretty bad, too. Why didn't he say on the air that he thought the pick was cynical?

Posted by: info | September 3, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Finally the Post posts some unvarnished truthtelling from one of the campaigns. Although it took a hot mic and youtube to force them into reporting it. Now it's back to parrotting the McCain spin for a few days.

Posted by: Mark | September 3, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I am an international observer & I must admit I love U.S politics. Its never boring. But seriously if you guys stoop as low as actually voting for McCain/Palin in 2008, the world will never forgive you. The fact that Bush was re-elected was bad enough. You don't seem to realise that who you vote for has major implications worldwide (whether you care or not). To inflict such a lazy & cynical choice of a VP when McCains health is an issue is just insulting not only to yourselves but to whole globe. Can you imagine this woman dealing with all the complex problems when she is a zealot? We don't need that. Obama maybe inexperienced but from what I have seen he is level headed & (again whether you care or not) he is well respected internationally. Do yourselves a favor an vote for a much needed change. The world begs you to do the right thing.

Posted by: Joe C | September 3, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

This is a great post! Thanks Hippo-crite!

Republican strategist Karl Rove said on Face the Nation Sunday that he expects presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama to choose a running mate based on political calculations, not the person's readiness for the job.

"I think he's going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice," Rove said. "He's going to view this through the prism of a candidate, not through the prism of president; that is to say, he's going to pick somebody that he thinks will on the margin help him in a state like Indiana or Missouri or Virginia. He's not going to be thinking big and broad about the responsibilities of president."

Rove singled out Virginia governor Tim Kaine, also a Face the Nation guest, as an example of such a pick.

"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America."

Rove continued: "So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States."

Yes, the real problem with Tim Kaine is that he's only been governor of a large state for three years, and before that, he was only the mayor of a mid-size city. This, of course, made him "undistinguished," unprepared for national office, and the very idea of putting him on a national ticket was practically ridiculous.

Thanks, Karl.

Tim Kaine’s experience:
- Governor of Virginia (pop: 7,643,000) - 2 years 8 months.
- Lt. Governor of Virginia - 4 years
- Mayor of Richmond (pop: 200,123) - 2 years
- City Council of Richmond - 4 years

Sarah Palin’s experience:
- Governor of Alaska (pop: 670,000) - 1 year 9 months.
- Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (pop: 9,780) - 2 years
- City Council of Wasilla - 4 years

Posted by: Hippo-crite | September 3, 2008 8:15 PM

Posted by: JohnUSA | September 3, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

That's something that Mike Murphy, McCain's old campaign manager back in the day when McCain still had a very small amount of credibility left, would get caught with a live mic. I am voting for Obama anyway. The only people McCain cares about are the ones in that top 5 % bracket. I want to back someone who has my interests at heart for a change. That nonsense about social medicine does not wash with me. If we got 12 billion a month for wars and billions more for other countries I am sure if the Republicans look real hard they can find some money for Americans for a change. I think it is an absolute disgrace that the richest country in the world has 50 million people running around with no health care. When I speak about health care I am not only talking about paying for it. I am talking about making it affordable and have the kind of access everyone can enjoy. You see 50 million particpants are going to have quite a bit of bargaining power. If it means more doctors then Obama's plan to help people with college ought to help supply some of our needs for doctors and nurses. If we all do our best to live a healthier life with more preventive care and less costly corrective care I am sure we can find ways to get healthcare under control.

Posted by: Jake | September 3, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

this is the most disgusting election I've ever seen...all venom, all the time.

Posted by: Doug | September 3, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Palin is the best VP candidate the republicans could have picked. Actually, they should have McCain run for VP and put Palin on for president.

Posted by: naz | September 3, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Someone over there at the Post better review your posting rules ,because you sure don't follow them.This will be my last post ever on any issues that this blog ever post's.I won't even waste my time reviewing any comments on this,thanks for your so called fair reporting

Posted by: mike | September 3, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

hey jake "the snake" D what do u have against dems and blacks?

Posted by: lokki | September 3, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I give up. I'm leaving for tonight. You people are so childish

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain has only one possible way to come out of this with a chance of winning, he has to get rid of Palin. He can explain away the pregnant daughter (and who really cares anyway) but he can't explain away her being on his list of people with outragious earmarks, or wanting to teach creationism, or being so extreme on anti abortion that she wouldn't allow it even in cases where the mother's life is at risk, or her refusal to accept the science of global warming, or her complete lack of any international experience, or the investigation into her firing her brother in law, or her absurdly thin political experience, or her red neck life style, etc. etc. None of this has anything to do with an illegitimate child or the fact that she is a woman, it's who she is and what she stands for that is unnacceptable.

Cut her lose John or there is absolutely no way you can win this.

Posted by: captbilly | September 3, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

"Repubes, McSame... now it's their turn to eat their own food... they swiftboated themselves!!!"

This is really clever stuff. Really.

;)

Posted by: Chuckamok | September 3, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Go back to your hole in the ground now, DeJune - maybe then you won't make yourself look like a complete fool.

Posted by: LL | September 3, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I have been a Republican for years. But I can't take another four years of Bush's policies. And Palin seals the deal for me, this Republican ticket is a disaster. I am sorry, But I just can't vote for this pair.

Posted by: Jeff | September 3, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain has placed himself
in check.

Posted by: Jerry | September 3, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

No, the 8:40 JakeD is the fake one. Stop it!!!

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows that a real conservative would go by JakeD, not JakeR! So JakeD down there must be some kind of Democrat, because he's supporting Mrs. Sarah "Mooseburger" Palin, who is the product of the Ultimate Welfare State [TM], Alaska.

For those of you who don't know, Alaska gets $300 per person from the federal government. They don't pay state taxes, the state pays THEM. In 2007, they got $1,654 per person. Anyone who has lived in Alaska for more than a year gets money.

Palin ran Sen. Ted 'The Internet is not a big truck' Stevens' PAC. That's the guy who came out with the "Bridge to Nowhere" and she supported the idea until it came under scrutiny, if you don't remember. You can find her support in her local paper. They can't take that down, though they've tried scouring everything that makes her look bad from the internet, like her address of the Independence party, which wants Alaska to leave the USA. How patriotic!

He talks about her "taking on" the oil companies, but neglects to mention how much they donated to her. Or that when she was "taking them on" she was trying to get more money for the Alaska Permanent Fund, resulting in higher gas prices for everyone who doesn't live in Alaska. That extra $547.04 per person she got for Alaska as Governor was ultimately paid by everyone NOT in Alaska!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund
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Notice how much the welfare payments went UP under Palin's "leadership"! Then realize that these payments are subsidized by the *rest of the USA* because with Republican Ted 'Tubes' Stevens up there, they suck in more money via earmarks than anyone else on a per capita basis and we pay higher prices because the oil companies pay them.

This serves McCain right for appointing political cronies and folks who pander to demographics instead of hiring _competent_ folks! He _could_ have chosen Romney if he had any clue what to do about the economy. Palin has the least experience of any Republican Governor or Senator. There are 9 eligible women who'd have been better picks. And there's a 10th woman who is constitutionally ineligible having been born in Cuba; McCain is just lucky he was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

But McCain wants to spend all his time with the hot biker lady instead of the Republican women who are experienced leaders. Even Fred Thompson was reduced to arguing that her ability to field dress a moose is some kind of 'experience' that qualifies her to be president whenever McCain dies!

So we're about to be taken over by liberals because this is supposedly the _BEST_ the Republican party had to offer? Pathetic!

Posted by: JakeR | September 3, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

The news of course is not Sarah Palin, but John McCain's ability to make difficult and informed decisions and the process by which he does so.

Posted by: Chris | September 3, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

The 8:37 JakeD is the fake one. Seriously. Stop this. It's really annoying the crap out of me

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

The real Operation Chaos. Was'nt this Palin Rush Limbaugh's choice for Veep. What goes around comes round. Republican Swiftboat!

Posted by: Hoffmann | September 3, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Palin is dirty. Just like Ted Stevens who she is urging to cooperate. She took VECO money too....

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/03/america/NA-POL-US-Elections-Palin.php

Posted by: SueM | September 3, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

The vice presidency, or presidency ain't womens work.

Obama/ Biden 08

Posted by: DeJune | September 3, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Dear Republicans,

I am a lifelong Democrat and a hard-core Obama supporter, and I'd like to propose a trade:

We'll give you Lieberman in exchange for Noonan and Murphy. I don't agree with their ideology, but least those two are able to think for themselves.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: mkuper | September 3, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The 8.38 JakeD is real though.
Its me.
Who the hell are these liberal scaredypants supporting? I dont agree with them. But McCain is now McLame.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

All of this Palin stuff is just noise. To clear your mind, think back on eight years of President Cheney and his pet monkey. They implemented the policies that neo-conservatives had dreamt of. The results are in. The Republicans are out.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | September 3, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

From the news articles like this (and lately there's been a lot) have the Republicans written off the '08 election? Are they purposely sabotaging themselves?

Posted by: Richard | September 3, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I've been watching Fox News...and their shameless pandering has finally got to me.
Go Obama.
I am sorry for all my moronic comments of so long.
Palin is a terrible choice for VP. I think I speak for all Americans when I say that I wish she had seceded along with Alaska.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is really vibrant for a nursing mother. I am a Republican mother myself and never was that peppy with five month old normal children without special needs.

Posted by: abbe | September 3, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

The 8:34 and 8:32 JakeD's are fake.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain sold his sole for Bush's 2008 endorsement. He'll do anything to get elected.

For those who actually pay attention to history, McCain hates George Bush.

During the 2000 campaign, Bush, Rove and Stampley searched for dirt on McCain. That's how the Manchurian Candidate moniker hit McCain.

Read Admiral Stockley's account.

November 26, 1999
John McCain in the Crucible

By JAMES B. STOCKDALE
CORONADO, Calif. -- I am not surprised by reports that Senator John McCain's political enemies have been spreading rumors that his famous temper is a sign of a broader "instability" caused by his imprisonment in Vietnam.

In fact, a few weeks ago I received a call from an old friend who is also close to the George W. Bush campaign soliciting comments on Mr. McCain's "weaknesses."

One US Senator, when he learned of the origin of the attacks on McCain, observed: "While McCain was getting tortured, Bush was flying jets defending Texas against Oklahoma.

http://www.miafacts.org/mccain_2.htm

Posted by: Smith | September 3, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

But I thought I was JakeD. Is there another JakeD out there? Are you the JakeD from Fresno I keep hearing about? Really, stop using my name because I am trying to keep it real on the itnernet, here.

Anyway, back on point. Palin is WAY more qualified than Obama. Her foreign policy experience reminds me of Kissinger during his prime. Obama is an empty suit with nothing but words. The media is being sexist. McCain has the experience we need. Obama is an Islamic fascist who is also gay and snorts coke. She sold a plane on Ebay. McCain is a POW. Also, did you hear that Obama is a negro!!

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

At first I was a bit frightened to see Leiberman backing up McCain; clearly trying to try to swing the Democratic vote. But once I heard Leib. speak it was more of a laugh. There was nothing of any value in anything he said; in fact he embarrassed the Republican party. Sad to realize that he was the best they could do. Nothing whatsoever about current issues, just old stuff about an old guy with a wife who has had quite a lot of plastic surgery (at least that could be an interesting story). He was full of hot air that will be a good source of responses for Obama. It's almost as if Leiberman wanted to do damage... but he's just not that bright.

Posted by: Dean | September 3, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Lars, you are misinformed. Harriet Miers was never on the Texas Supreme Court. She was the president of the TX state bar - not by any means a job that goes to the best and brightest legal minds.... and Conservatives sunk her because they thought she was too dumb and weak to convincingly promote their causes. They wanted a strong smart conservative which is what they got in Alito. In the Palin case, conversely, they are supporting the dumb and weak candidate - this is because if she ever became president, Cheney, Condi and the rest of the Neocon Gang could pull the strings and make policy, just like they do now with DUH-bya in the White House.

Posted by: KellyVA | September 3, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, what is WRONG with you people? Why can't you leave my name alone? Are you so insecure you have to use my name to make yourselves feel better?

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Look at the photo between McCain and Paltin in Dayton, Ohio!! I have never seen a female candidate that cheek to cheek. She was embedded in the cheek bone of McCAIN. That was a major hug to build the ego for McCain. Anything that involves Carl Rove deserves a second, third, and major review.

Posted by: Mim | September 3, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Repubes, McSame... now it's their turn to eat their own food... they swiftboated themselves!!!

Posted by: James Garafini | September 3, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Women hate other women who threaten to overshadow them. Noonan is par for the course. Murphy is just a typical Washington blow hard.

Posted by: almiller | September 3, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I wish that the people using my name would stop. You know I hate Democrats, particularly blacks, and I'm proud of it. Leave me alone!

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I was a bit frightened to see Leiberman backing up McCain, who TRULY frightens me... I thought they might have a reason for it, to try to swing the Democratic vote. But once I heard Leib speak it was more of a laugh. There was nothing of any value in anything he said; in fact he embarrassed the Republican party. Why? He was the best they could do... nothing whatsoever about issues, just old stuff about an old guy with a wife who has had quite a lot of plastic surgery (now at least that would have been an interesting story). He was full of hot air that will only be good sources of response for Obama. It's almost as if Leiberman wanted to do damage... but he's just not that bright.

Posted by: Deena | September 3, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain is nobody's fool. The selection of Governor Palin as his running mate will change the traditional electorate of the Republican Party. Suddenly, the Republicans are pragmatists and not conservative ideologues. This is the tilt I see Palin's selection giving the ticket. I believe the Republicans will ultimately capture a large portion of the independent vote. I am a lifelong Democrate, and I hate to poke fun at my own party, but can you imagine the handwringing that McCain's wild card Palin pick has caused Democrat strategists? I must admit, I underestimated McCain. The Presidential Election is a very serious thing this year, but I hope we can all have some with it, regardless of party, and then sit down and toast the USA after its over.

Posted by: Rattlesnake Bob | September 3, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

“There’s a gigantic difference between John McCain and Barack Obama and between me and I suspect my vice presidential opponent,” Biden said at an outdoor rally Sunday, getting ready to hit the GOP ticket for their economic policies.

“She’s good-looking,” he quipped.

“You are gorgeous!” a female supporter in the audience shouted out. Biden asked her to repeat it into the microphone so his wife at home would hear.

Now that is real Dem talent--what a hunk of 65 year old manhood.

Posted by: Zippy in Annapolis | September 3, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain has made a mockery out of the electoral process by choosing Palin. She is not qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. and McCain is counting on the Rove spin doctors to create an acceptable image. The fact is we hardly know her and what we know is disturbing. She is a creationist, anti-environment, denier of global warming, pro-gun, hard core evangelical who fired a city librarian for resisting censorship. She is a double-talker who fought for huge earmarks for her tiny town. She appointed a man convicted of sexual harassment to be in charge of Public Security. She is a hypocrite who attacked Hillary as a whiner and now wants to ride Clinton’s coat tails. McCain is not putting his “Country First”-her candidacy has derailed the electoral process since accepting or rejecting her has become the election itself.

Posted by: jefflz | September 3, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Why were conservatives angry about Harriet Meirs being unqualified for the Supreme Court but Sarah Palin is qualified to be VP? I don't get why Palin is more qualified for her position than Harriet Meirs was for her's.

Harriet Meirs served on the Texas Supreme Court and was counsel to the President. She seems eminently more qualified for the Supreme Court than Palin is for VP or President if a number of unfortunate things happen.

Is it the case that conservatives want top guns--like John Roberts and Samuel Alito, who were top in their class at Harvard, argued before the Supreme Court and served on the Federal Court of Appeals--for the Supreme Court but an inexperienced person for VP? Alaska has fewer citizens in the whole state than the Twin Cities have, she has only been Governor two years, and her previous position was as on city council and as a mayor.

Posted by: Lars from MN | September 3, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, please stop using my name. It throws my sense of identity off balance.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I am a conservative and I think Palin is the worst VP pick in history of American politics. I am changing party to independent.

Posted by: Olivier | September 3, 2008 8:08 PM

Try Green. Its the future of the world. You dont have to vote the straight ticket, Just make the gesture.
I left the Dems when Pelosi said before the 2006, that if she got a majority, she would not impeach. I am offended because she didnt bother to consider that info might come out after 2006, which would require any person who values the oath to defend the Constitution to act to impeach and it has, info which indicates that the Iraq war was a premeditated intention of Bush and he just found pretexts to cover for his wish to be a president who served during wartime.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Palin is ugly trash with a retarded agenda

Posted by: TPS | September 3, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Spin your way out of that one. The past few days have been like the Twilight Zone. Thanks McCain.

Posted by: What the Hell is going on? | September 3, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

It's good to hear functioning brains and intellectual honesty on the other side even if they think the mic is off. Noonan's articles are the best of any conservative, imagine if she could unfilter her writing further. Murphy has been among the best in analyzing the politics of the election, imagine how his credibility would shoot up further if he just pretended the mic was off, all the time.

Posted by: Jeff-for-progress | September 3, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

More evidence that Peggy Noonan is a world-class weasal. This is from her WSJ article today:

"Well, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is. Readers deserve an explanation, so I'm putting a new top on today's column and, with the forbearance of the Journal, here it is.

Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.

When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."

However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn't ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, "Why him and not him?" Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between.

But, bottom line, I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet, I am certainly sorry that someone abused my meaning in the use of the words, "It's over", and I'm sorry I didn't have the Kay Baily Hutchison thought before this morning, because I could have written of it. There. Now: onto today's column."

So Peggy is defending herself saying that all of these thoughts were bubbling up in her mind when she said what she said. What a crock. Well, she isn't really known for her close affinity to the truth, now is she. Just another cynical political hack pretending to be a journalist.

Posted by: Paul Smith | September 3, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Well now, another hot mike got someone in trouble! Hot mike aside, they were just dwelling and speaking candidly on what everyone else should know . . . the McCain/Palin ticket is doomed to failure.

Posted by: Black and Bitter Like Morning Coffee | September 3, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama pimp slapped Hillary and put her in her place, now he has to do it to Palin. Will be like eating cake, easy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

just another example of how polticians (on both sides) will make an argument that best fits the situation and the time. Like when Mccain said "no nation building" when clinton sent troops to Somolia. And im sure Rove has some way to justify what he said using the words "but" and " i really meant" but there is no way around it he messed up and has to eat his words.

Posted by: jackson | September 3, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the Post continues its long tradition of telling half the story.

Noonan gave an explanation right after this non-story came out. The Post just doesn't feel like reporting it because is won't help their candidate:

"When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over.""

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122044753790594947.html?mod=todays_columnists

Of course, the Post knew this, but they just don't care. They've got a candidate to get elected.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 3, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse


The Peg also never liked George either and, yet, 67% of all Republicans think he's doing a fine job.

I hate to be a middle roader but, let's revisit the subject in a month and see how people feel - we may be surprised. All of this negativity, how does one know....instinct? The instinct that GWB was someone "to have a beer with" got us in this mess. Everyone should get a fair chance. Geez.

Posted by: DavidN | September 3, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Please stop using my screen name. I'M JAKED! Not you scaredypants liberal!

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm crazy and old. Lets look up Palin's skirt!

Posted by: McCain | September 3, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, that is not me.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jones | September 3, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Of course you do JakeD. You're a Republican.

Self loathing homo haters!

Posted by: lookie | September 3, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, the second 8:13 PM is the fake JakeD.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Republican strategist Karl Rove said on Face the Nation Sunday that he expects presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama to choose a running mate based on political calculations, not the person's readiness for the job.

"I think he's going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice," Rove said. "He's going to view this through the prism of a candidate, not through the prism of president; that is to say, he's going to pick somebody that he thinks will on the margin help him in a state like Indiana or Missouri or Virginia. He's not going to be thinking big and broad about the responsibilities of president."

Rove singled out Virginia governor Tim Kaine, also a Face the Nation guest, as an example of such a pick.

"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America."

Rove continued: "So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States."

Yes, the real problem with Tim Kaine is that he's only been governor of a large state for three years, and before that, he was only the mayor of a mid-size city. This, of course, made him "undistinguished," unprepared for national office, and the very idea of putting him on a national ticket was practically ridiculous.

Thanks, Karl.

Tim Kaine’s experience:
- Governor of Virginia (pop: 7,643,000) - 2 years 8 months.
- Lt. Governor of Virginia - 4 years
- Mayor of Richmond (pop: 200,123) - 2 years
- City Council of Richmond - 4 years

Sarah Palin’s experience:
- Governor of Alaska (pop: 670,000) - 1 year 9 months.
- Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (pop: 9,780) - 2 years
- City Council of Wasilla - 4 years

Posted by: Hippo-crite | September 3, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

WhoopDeDo!

Whatever it takes to win. The sideline pundits are a petulant bunch. They'll do whatever they can to stir up the mix because their only contribution to the debate is their droll commentary.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl:

Maybe he meant Cindy or Meghan?

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm a homo. I love anus.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah she dumped Richard Rahn--

Posted by: Zippy in Annapolis | September 3, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Olivier:

Congratulations! Welcome to the Independent Party where we are beholden to NEITHER Republicans nor Democrats. As a conservative, you really want to vote for Obama-Biden?! I understand your frustrations about not being able to vote for McCain-Palin, but the choice would be a ticket like Baldwin-Castle:

http://www.baldwin08.com/

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

BEST PALIN SCANDALS. AFFAIRS, STOLEN TAX PAYERS MONEY, TROOPERGATE, BANKRUPCY OF DAIRY FARMS, FIRING PEOPLE, ETC, ETC...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13084.html

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story

Posted by: laplumelefirmament | September 3, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Who is Peggy Noonan?

Posted by: Zippy in Annapolis | September 3, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

>>Darr wrote: "Guess this will be almost over for MILF McCain?"

MILF = McCain you'd love to "do"?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 3, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

FYI - She's already trying to weasel out of her hot mic comments:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122044753790594947.html?mod=todays_columnists

Peggers - come on! - the truth will set you free!

Posted by: ptp_er | September 3, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that's it, bosox406 -- you caught me -- I have never used "big words" here myself ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Noonan also bashed Clinton. Noonan -- and this is truthfully my opinion although I like her writing -- uncle toms for men. She's a big brown noser who sucks up to the group prejudices to get along.

Sorry Peggy, had to tell the truth.

You're still a good female op ed writer even if you are a greasy sycophant socially.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 3, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I am a conservative and I think Palin is the worst VP pick in history of American politics. I am changing party to independent.

Posted by: Olivier | September 3, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with Peggy Noonan about much, but here at least we agree: stick a fork in McCain, he's done. (This is especially true in light of today's additional disclosures that the National Enquirer is about to publish an expose on Palin's extramarital affair, and Ron Reagan's remark that his mother, Nancy, is "very impressed by Obama.")

Game, set, match.

Posted by: BZ | September 3, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Stroh, that is if anybody listens. I'd say her credibility is not very high at this point. I'm not even curious, besides it will be rammed down our throats ad nauseum. But, beat Hillary. Shoot, the two names don't belong in the same sentence.

GO OBAMA/BIDEN.

Posted by: janiet1523 | September 3, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I've long passed given up on George Will or Peggy Noonan
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that's because they use big words.

Posted by: bosox406 | September 3, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Guess this will be almost over for MILF McCain?

Posted by: Darr | September 3, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

JakeD I just can't see why. Republicans as fiscal conservatives? Nope. Tax breaks for the uber-rich and huge companies -- did that include you? The national debt is staggering.

Must be social conservative? I dunno, that's the one area where I'm all for a small government. Out of the bedrooms and private lives of women (and men).

I truly do not understand how someone can vote for McCain. I have such hope Obama wins. But I wish you well regardless.

Posted by: Mac | September 3, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

janiet1523:

21,528,000 WATCHED TUESDAY REPUBLICAN CONVENTION... [DEMS SCORED 25,974,000 ON DAY 2, WITH HILLARY] I expect many more tonight.

This evening Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican Party’s vice presidential nominee, will address the 2008 Republican National Convention. Excerpts from the governor’s remarks:

On her experience as a public servant:

"I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town. I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids’ public education better. When I ran for city council, I didn’t need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too. Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown. And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities."

On why she is going to Washington, D.C.:

"I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone. But here’s a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I’m going to Washington to serve the people of this country."

On energy policies that the McCain-Palin administration will implement:

"Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America’s energy problems - as if we all didn’t know that already. But the fact that drilling won’t solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all. Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we’re going to lay more pipelines...build more nuclear plants...create jobs with clean coal...and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources. We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers."

On John McCain:

"Here’s how I look at the choice Americans face in this election. In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

They will write Palin a great speech for tonight, and she will come off looking like the greatest women ever.

Posted by: Stroh | September 3, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

This is just fantastic!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Noonan isn't a liberal. Probably not a conservative, either. She's an opportunist, and her writing is the most nauseating kind of glurge, but it sells. I have to admire her for making a lucrative career out of milking her Reagan-era speechwriting days and jerking the strings of gullible conservatives. If I didn't have a soul, I might have signed up for a gig like that myself.

Posted by: tullymonster | September 3, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN CAMPAIGN MANAGER RICK DAVIS:

"This election is not about issues," said Davis. "This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates."


OBAMA ANSWER TO THIS FOOL:

"Which probably explains why last night when they were speaking, all these speakers (at the Republican National Convention) came up, you didn’t hear a single word about the economy," Obama said at an economic forum in New Philadelphia, Ohio. "Not once did people mention the hardships that people are going through."

"I guess I don’t blame them," Obama added, "because if you don’t have any issues to run on, you want it all to be about personality. If you have got George Bush’s track record and John McCain voting 90 percent of the time in agreement with George Bush, then you probably you don’t want to talk about issues either."

Posted by: laplumelefirmament | September 3, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Hahahahahahahaa!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, Mac, I might feel a bit sorry for her too. But, as you know, she coulda/shoulda/woulda said "no". She asked for it, and she's getting it. And if she had not the good sense to know that, then she has no business being in that proverbial "kitchen". The Repubs have poured in so slimily all over for so long, it way past time someone gave it back in spades. Obama, bless his heart, is just too much of a gentleman and too smart to become entangled in that c r a p. So, geez, we get to do it for him - and I take that role seriously.

Posted by: janiet1523 | September 3, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Regardless, I am still voting McCain-Palin. I wouldn't vote for Obama-Biden even if she was still the mayor of the Wasilla.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

This is too rich.

This latest episode of the Jerry Springer sho...excuse me...Republican National Convention is--to use a term McCain should appreciate--such a target-rich environment. Hell, the Democrats don't even have to take the shots. McCain's appalling Palin appeasement to the knuckledragging wing of the Republican Party is going to blow up in the faces of Schmidt, McCain, and the rest of this cynical lost patrol.

Noonan's off-camera honesty only points out the obvious. What other misfires await??

Posted by: Westside Johnny | September 3, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Honest republicans? I never thought I will see this day!

Posted by: Janet | September 3, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

SARAH PALIN LISTENS TO HATE SPEECH AND ANTI-SEMITIC RANTS AGAINST JEWS IN CHURCH!!!


Andrew Sullivan at the Atlantic uncovered a shocking detail about Sarah Palin (one of the now many shocking details link :http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/anti-jewish-ter.html), in which she sat in a meeting at the Wasilla Bible Church.

VIDEO HERE of the "Jerusalem Dilemma": http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22David+Brickner%22&hl=en&emb=0#q=%22David%20Brickner%22%20Jerusalem&hl=en&emb=0


The meeting was headed by David Brickner, the executive director of Jews for Jesus, and here's what he said:

Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.

"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."

Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her.

John McCain now has a serious Jewish problem, thanks to Sarah Palin's extremist creationist views, which may cost him Florida, and several other states when these views, supported by Sarah Palin, become very well known.

Sarah Palin is no friend to the Jewish community, and neither is John McCain, in having picked this Dominionist as his Vice-President.

Edit: Here's the audio of the sermon at Wasilla Bible Church. link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-fvg6Q_TyE

Here's some of the transcript from Brickner's speech (Click on that link and save the transcript because it'll be soon gone when they scrub this site):

And the Bible tells us the entire generation of Israelites perished in the wilderness because of unbelief. And that has characterized the ministry of the prophets. They’ve all experienced that rejection.

And so Jesus, now coming in fulfillment of all the hope and all the promise of all the prophets, is not taken off guard by that. He is likely, obviously, to experience...and will soon experience...that same unbelief, full force, in His own body. And I’ve heard people talk about this reality of history, and talk about the ‘stiff-necked Jews’. Have you heard that phrase before? The stiff-necked Jews... Well, God was the one who first used that about Israel, and He can get away with it. But my mother always told me, "Be careful when you point a finger at somebody else, because there’s some pointing back at you." And really, Israel has not cornered the market on unbelief. Israel is an example of what all humanity has been saying to God since the beginning of time, shaking its fists at the heavens and saying, ‘You’ll not rule over us.’

And so all of the controversy that we see swirling in Jerusalem is really a mirror that the world looks in to see the controversy within. The Jerusalem Dilemma is the Wasilla Dilemma; it’s the dilemma of the human heart. And so it’s important for us to notice, then, Jesus’ response to this unbelief, this rejection.


WE MUST FIGHT AGAINST THOSE ANTI-SEMITES. THAT IS DISGUSTING.

Posted by: laplumelefirmament | September 3, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Will they now apologise to the American people for their part in trying to force this political bull sh*t on the American people

Posted by: The truth will set you free | September 3, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I was just wondering. Is anybody watching this sham? I turned on about 2 minutes of Lieberman and that was I could stand. Not that I really took notes or anything, but ALL I saw was a bunch of rich old men and white-haired ladies. Nothing else. No diversity whatsoever - not even the 13% of the pop African American minority. I did spot a couple of sort of, kind of foreign looking kids, but that's it.

What a pathetic joke the once proud GOP has become. Hijacked along the way by extremists and Bible thumping whack jobs. It's a hard thing to watch - no impossible. Pffffttttt.

Posted by: janiet1523 | September 3, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to feel sorry for her. Honestly. She's another Harriet Miers. McCain really is the same as Bush.

I'm more pissed at McCain for jerking her around like this! How could he not have known? Did he just want to draw attention from the positive press coverage of the Dem's convention? How stupid.

Go Obama!

Posted by: Mac | September 3, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I really was beginning to go crazy, wondering if all these people actually believed the positive BS they were saying about Palin. Good to know they are just lying to us.

Posted by: P. Bit | September 3, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh Lord, how much worse can this get? The more McCain and his people try to spin this as a great pick, the more embarassment he forces on the rest of the GOP. Enough. He has a choice, he needs to give serious thought about what's good for this country.

Posted by: CarolBG | September 3, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Finally, two (count'em two) Republicans tell the truth. Actually, I'm so glad to witness it because I think it's really a first.

Wahoo! It's over!! YESSSSS !

Posted by: janiet1523 | September 3, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Better late than never. What a laugh. I always knew Noonan had brains. That's why she and Krauthammer are two of the most frustrating hacks to read. At least Krauthammer was straight up about this disaster of a VP pick in his column.

Did I say disaster? Oops, I meant "political bullsh*t" of a VP pick. I stand corrected. Thanks Peggy!

Posted by: John M. | September 3, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Noonan is a big lib.

Posted by: Karl | September 3, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to know what Chuck Todd, et al has discussed "in private" about Obama-Biden now. Maybe some juicy details re: Hillary?

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I've long passed given up on George Will or Peggy Noonan.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

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