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Obama Ridicules McCain's Economic Response


Sen. Barack Obama aves to supporters at a campaign rally at the Colorado School of Mines' Lockridge Arena Sept.16, 2008,in Golden, Colo. (John Moore/Getty Images)

By Anne E. Kornblut
GOLDEN, Colo. -- Ridiculing his rival for sticking with "an economic philosophy that has completely failed," Sen. Barack Obama laid out his approach to managing the current financial crisis -- promising to play a proactive role if he is elected president in order to prevent future meltdowns.

Obama has delivered a series of economic speeches over the last year-and-a-half on the campaign trail, and he recapped some of his top proposals here on Tuesday. But the core of his argument was against Sen. John McCain, who has a long record of promoting deregulation and who has repeatedly said the fundamentals of the economy are strong.

Obama poked fun at McCain for proposing a commission to examine the crisis, calling that "the oldest Washington stunt in the book."

"This isn't 9/11. We know how we got into this mess," Obama said. "What we need now is leadership that gets us out. I'll provide it, John McCain won't, and that's the choice for the American people in this election."

Obama also pointed to a history of Democratic presidents, from Franklin Roosevelt to Bill Clinton, who commanded the country through rough financial waters. And he hammered McCain repeatedly -- for failing, he said, to grasp the root of the problems and for only belatedly deciding that greater regulation is needed.

"John McCain has spent decades in Washington supporting financial institutions instead of their customers," Obama told a crowd of about 2,100 at the Colorado School of Mines.

"In fact, one of the biggest proponents of deregulation in the financial sector is Phil Gramm -- the same man who helped write John McCain's economic plan," Obama continued. He said Gramm is "the same man who said that we're going through a 'mental recession,' and the same man who called the United States of America a 'nation of whiners.'"

"So it's hard to understand how Senator McCain is going to get us out of this crisis by doing the same things with the same old players," Obama said.

Obama, appearing in the same town that Gov. Sarah Palin visited a day earlier, drew an enthusiastic response -- with supporters cheering even some of his more wonkish lines. As he wrapped up his speech, Obama's advisers embraced two apparent gaffes by their rivals -- economic adviser Doug Holt-Eakin's claim that McCain had created the BlackBerry, and former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina's admission that neither Palin nor McCain would be qualified to run a major corporation.

Still, Obama took a subdued approach, far from the fiery manner that McCain displayed on the campaign trail when discussing the same topic. And he placed renewed emphasis on his history of reform, citing his efforts to ban lobbyists' gifts to legislators in Springfield, Ill., as a state senator and his subsequent work in the U.S. Senate -- a seeming counterpunch to Palin's frequent references in her stump speech to her work shaking up the Alaska establishment.

The McCain-Palin campaign responded that Obama had both "inflated his own resume" and disparaged American workers with his attacks on McCain, who had revised his earlier claim that the fundamental of the economy are strong to state that, in fact, it is American workers who are strong. "Barack Obama offered nothing new except for sharp criticisms of the most fundamental elements of the American economy and pessimism about genuine efforts to restore our country's prosperity," McCain-Palin spokesman Tucker Bounds said.

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Boy this is what I love about Republicans
they can't remember anything. They say
Obama is putting down a war hero.
Do you Repbublicans forget what Bush
did to John Kerry who was a real war
hero. I mean Bush was a horrible person
for the things he tried to say about
Kerry. Oh but that is ok as long as it's
not your man. Right!
No wonder this country is in the shape it's
in you cover your eyes and ears to the
truth. Do you Republicans really care
about America at all. Bush has been a
horrible president and you want to vote
the same or worse in again. Un friken
believable.

Posted by: s | September 17, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

It is my observation in these posts that many comments from the right are based on insults, hate and generalized talking points that would lose in any college level debate class. i.e. USA3 at 9/16 3:36pm or simonsays 3:39pm

Meanwhile the left has far more well developed reasoning or short but verifiable claims backed by factual events. i.e. billw 3:32pm, "w"orthless 3:47pm

Posted by: Greg | September 17, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Have you looked into a mirror today? Have
you even thought about what you are trying
to say? Besides kicking Obama around, when
are you going to be equally critized about
yourself as well? Since you think you are
so intelligent, it appear no one else think
so? Look, people are seriously hurting right now so, keep your bull crap negatives
to yourself and start praying for the country and the people who live in it. What
cartoon are you watching? Turn on your TV
sometime, and read the newspaper. Ask your
minister about the suffering in our country and what else may happen? Get a life hater.

Posted by: People | September 17, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

With your negative comments towards Obama,
you would rather see the country fall than
vote for Obama. A lot of love you have for our country hater.

Posted by: concern | September 17, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Some of your comments about Obama is apparent unconscious bias, and you allow your fears to get in the way of your thinking. It is obvious you allow McCain to
poison your mind with false hope, and forget it is his republican party who has
caused our country economy to fail. How
dare you forget? Since you seem to know so much why are you not running for president:
perhaps you could explain your weak conver-
sation to individuals who do not know any
better. Why are you not speaking on the
facts of a economy that is in near depression state instead of critizing Obama
as though he is the cause to all of this.
It is your fears because when something or
someone is different you go negative on the
personal level. Get your head out of the
hole in the ground. Also, what ever someone
told you about negatives towards people of
color is wrong. There are a lot of people
who died for this country who are just as smart and equal as everyone else so, what is your real problem. You really need to go
back to school because it is obvious you did not learn to much;it's about to be 2009 or have you not noticed. In closing,
how was this country really taken, or who
actually lived here first. This country belong to all americans who love this country hater. Yes, you are a hater.

Posted by: Voter | September 17, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I think ultimately, the financial crisis can be attributed to a single factor that has been at the root of all major crisis - Human nature. In an article analyzing the Lehman Brothers collapse, Tom Raum of the AP attributes the crisis to human nature

"People bought homes they couldn't afford. Investors eagerly bought mortgage-backed securities they didn't understand. Human nature was a guiding force in markets that were first driven by greed and then shaken by fear."

While age old economic theories work well against macro market behaviors, regulation that is informed by the erratic probabilities of human motivations is a new school that offers some new solutions to our current situation. Obama's economic advisor, Austan Goolsbee, is an economist who has been studying a branch of economics called behavioral economics...

I made the correlation after reading an article on MIT's Technology Review - https://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/21220/
If my link gets stripped, search "Obama's Geek Economist", "Technology Review", "MIT".

It is easy to take McCain's claims that Obama offers "big government" and "more regulation" at face value, but to protect the interests of investors, America does not need MORE regulation, but SMARTER regulation that factors in the chaotic nature of human behaviors. While McCain wants to set up a commission to study this problem...Obama and his advisors have ALREADY been studying this for a long time...and have applied some of this thinking into his plans.

This is the kind of economic firepower we can expect from an Obama administration...this is the kind of innovation that will take America to our next stage of growth.

Posted by: Andy | September 17, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama when you say it’s a difference in policy, why don’t you just say that you are a socialist, and McCain is a capitalist.
Obama the problem with you; is that you really believe in big government and big business.
The reason capitalism is the most efficient economic system, is due to the fact that it’s an adaptable distributed system. Centralized systems, like what you propose Obama are prone to cascade failures.
Just like the cascade failures that took out power in the North East a few years ago.
What we need is more small business, not more big business, and big government. While you and McCain are right in calling for government oversight, what needs to be done by government is set standards and develop investment incentives for small business investment, while reducing the cost of small business developing and producing innovative products. This is possible by creating something of a co-op for each particular industry, with shared labs and equipment. We as a country need to move towards fabrication labs, and move manufacturing from vertical large corporations, to distributed regional manufacturing companies, which produce a multitude of products based upon IP.

This approach will provide diversity much like living organisms and create a much more robust economy. This in turn will create more small businesses, and more jobs, which will lead to a higher standard of living for all Americans.
The government by creating standards and incentives through the tax code can provide both carrot and stick, and force the people who have monies to invest in small business by making it detrimental not to do so.
So Obama as usual you can fool some of the people but not all. America needs real solutions.

Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | September 17, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

God fobid that something happend to Seator McCain. Life is just like that for all of us. Don't you want to hear your Rebublican VP talk to the people, discuss important issues, world issues. Do you not want to no something about your Hidden and protected possible, next President? I don't see any concern from anyone in your Country. Bless you all, from Canada.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 17, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

McCain is still riding high about his Vietnam years. How much heroism is needed to carpet bomb a whole city of innocent women and children from the air, from the best American made airplanes. The chemicals they dumped from the air onto innocent civilian population is horrible. Regardless of whether the enemy was there or not, the people who suffered are the ones who couldn't run or get out of that place. McCain not only had the best technology available at that time, but also the ammunition to maime and kill most of the children in Vietnam. He calls himself a maverick. Go figure.

Posted by: Jeremy | September 17, 2008 5:35 AM | Report abuse

Hey, wouldn't it be great if the FBI were
there on Bush's and Cheney's last day
to arrest them. Now I would pay to see
that. This whole Administration needs to
be held accountable. I will never understand
why these two were not Impeached.
Talk about corruption!!
We don't need another set of this in
the White House again.

Posted by: Sammy | September 17, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

I love finally getting the truth on these things. Another site that gathers and consolidates stories from this site and other reliable sources, http://www.thanksbutnothanks.com

Paul Smith

Posted by: Paul Smith | September 17, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

All of you here on this post who say Obama
is spreading fear and doom.
Excuse me!! You have got the wrong
candidate. Bush all he has done for his
eight years is try to spread fear.
I have always felt sorry for him, because
when someone spreads fear it is because
they are so afraid themselves and they want
others to be afraid with them.
He was never fit either to be President
nor is McCain.

Posted by: Sammy | September 17, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Both democrats think women should have the right to kill there babys. Both Republicans are pro life. The democrats want higher taxes, more goverment regulation and more giveaways. But the final strike against Obama I heard on the Shawn Hannity show that Obama was cruelly mocking mccain for not being able to use the internet...HE CANT USE A COMPUTER BECAUSE THE VIET KONG TORTURED HIS FINGERS!!! The democrats show what they are really made of when they attack a war hero. Obama is not experienced enough to be Mccains shoe shine boy

Posted by: Cindi LaFontaine | September 17, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Who wants to trust John McCain?

McCain not only helped the Keatings steal money from investors, he squeeled on one of his own gang members Dennis DeConcini when he felt jealous of the extra attention Dennis DeConcini got from the Keatings. McCain leaked to the press (tattletale) about Dennis DeConcini even though he himself was part of the circle of curruption in Washington.

Posted by: Mel | September 17, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

Piss-poor state-craft...

A bungled economy...

uhhhh... Yeah ! Great job ! How 'bout some more !

Some people are so tribal they would vote for a blow-up doll if you slapped a elephant badge on it.

Posted by: PulSamsara | September 17, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Here's an article titled "McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five" that appeared in November 29, 1989 in the Phoenix New Times.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five

It talks about the fallen hero known as John McCain who has sinced surfaced again calling himself the maverick. Not only he calls himself a maverick but he lavishly crowns Sarah Palin as a maverick also. Mr. & Mrs. Mavericks have a lot of explaining to do to the American people about their past.

Posted by: Brown | September 16, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

"REPUBLICANS DON'T REFORM REPUBLICANS!" - RNCLieBuster

"Its the 21st century economy stupid." - Chill

Posted by: chillingaz | September 16, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

So Obama will do what? I'm still waiting...

Posted by: Cheryl | September 16, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain has a correction about his statement "The fundamentals of our finance are strong". What he meant when he said "our finance" is that his and Cindy McCains finance. He basically meant that all the houses they own and all their millions are safe even though there is a financial melt down for the rest of America.

Posted by: Kevin O. | September 16, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm simply amazed at some of the posts I read here. There was a reason safe gaurds were set in place after the great depression. It was to make sure that banks and other institutions in the financial, insurance and investment industry didn't have the ability to create the same instability in the world financial market again. That safe gaurd was called the Glass-Steagall Act. This Act was authored by democrates and it created the FDIC. Without the FDIC regular Americans wouldn't have the benefit of having our hard earned savings covered. This Act had worked very well in protecting the average American's savings and investments until the republicans took control of congress during the Clinton administration, and introduced the Gramm Leach Bliley Act (GLB), The GLB pushed the typical Republican line that "deregulation will promote competition in the market place" In reality it has done exactly the opposite. Our life savings are in jeopardy, our investments have evaporated, our insurance rates have increased. In other words the GLB and it's lack of Government regulations and over site have done exactly the opposite of what Phil Gramm, James Leach, and Tom Bliley had envisioned. Well my friends, that was 1999 when this bill was passed and it only took 6 years for this type of limited regulation to evolve into what we are witnessing today. To think that anyone would trust any economic program that would have anything to do with Phil Gramm is insane. After passing this horrible legistration and retiring from the Senate he took the 2nd highest position with UBS United Bank of Switzerland, which was one of the major institutions that has profitted greatly from this mess. The Change We Need??? If you are gullible enough to believe that, Obama has a bridge to sell you in Alaska and I'll sell you the rest of that State!
Now McCain who has always opposed regulation, and Government intervention,is now proposing a commission to review the cause of this breakdown. Don't you see this as ironic? A tax payer paid commission to tell us what we already know? That the Republican policy of deregulation and smaller Government oversite didn't work! McCains new wonk is our economy is strong because the American worker is strong, small business and innovation is strong. It's just that American workers are abused or forgotten in the Republican business model and the small businesses get gobbled up or put out of business by their larger competitors. New innovation gets absorbed. The only way this country will get out of this mess is when we make that choice to "Buy American"! As the largest consumer base in the world, we have a voice!

Posted by: justanotherposter | September 16, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

The failed deregulatory policies of the Republicans have led to current problems. The Bush-loving Enron was one of the first. These were all policies that were supported by McCain, lock, stock and barrel. Watch him squirm to try to distance himself from Bush and the rest of his party.

No More Years. It will take decades to sort this mess out. Let's clear the extremist anti-government republicans out of Washington.

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 16, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

In the late 1980s as part of the keating 5 scandal, S&L "trading cards" came out. The Keating Five card showed Charles Keating holding up his hand, with a senator's head adorning each finger. McCain was on Keating's pinkie. You could probably pick one of those trading cards on eBay. If you don't know how to use eBay, just ask Sarah Palin. She knows how to use eBay.

Posted by: Mark | September 16, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

the following excerpt is from http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/articles/0301mccainbio-chapter7.html

"In 1982, during McCain's first run for the House, Keating held a fund-raiser for him, collecting more than $11,000 from 40 employees of American Continental Corp. McCain would spend more than $550,000 to win the primary and the general election.

In 1983, as McCain contemplated his House re-election, Keating hosted a $1,000-a-plate dinner for him, even though McCain had no serious competition. When McCain pushed for the Senate in 1986, Keating was there with more than $50,000.

By 1987, McCain had received about $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.

McCain also had carried a little water for Keating in Washington. While in the House, McCain, along with a majority of representatives, co-sponsored a resolution to delay new regulations designed to curb risky investments by thrifts such as Lincoln."

Posted by: Ladd | September 16, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

The panic was already started, that's why the market was down 5%. That's how the market reacts to bad economic news. How's your 401k doin? The Blahverick will say anything to get elected. Even that he inveted the Blackberry. HE WAS AGAINST CHANGE BEFORE HE WAS FOR IT.

Posted by: mAX | September 16, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain claims he does not know how to use the computer. That is why he needs Sarah Palin. He wants her to sit on his lap and take notes while he dictates it to her. Then she can go and type it up on the computer while McCain gives her a back rub.

Posted by: James | September 16, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Your right, John McCain is a sell-out and a phoney. Now he's claiming he doesn't know how to use a computer because of being a POW but got called out on it. Thats the most rediculous excuse Rove ever came up with.

Maybe he cheated on his wife was involved in Keating 5 because he was a POW also.

Posted by: Sam | September 16, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

The McCain's and the Bush's go way back. They have the same connections.

Silverado Savings and Loan collapsed in 1988, costing taxpayers $1.3 billion. Neil Bush, son of then Vice President of the United States George H. W. Bush, was Director of Silverado at the time. Neil Bush was accused of giving himself a loan from Silverado, but he denied all wrongdoing.

The US Office of Thrift Supervision investigated Silverado's failure and determined that Neil Bush had engaged in numerous "breaches of his fiduciary duties involving multiple conflicts of interest." Although Bush was not indicted on criminal charges, a civil action was brought against him and the other Silverado directors by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation; it was eventually settled out of court, with Bush paying $50,000 as part of the settlement, as reported in the Washington Post.

Posted by: Bill | September 16, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Now that all of Palin's claim to fame have been debunked and day by day is being exposed to have a history of corruption and constant lies. I hope people snap out of there spell with her.

1. Palin is not the earmark reformer she claimed but quite the contrary.

2. Palin never sold a plane on ebay for a profit. She sold it for a loss privately.

3. Palin only was against the bridge to nowhere once it became unfavorable; buy still kept and spent the earmark money.

4. Palin doesn’t have a grasp of complex issues such as health care reform, economics, foreign policy, etc.

5. Palin is a radical right-wing extremist

6. Palin is corrupt

She is the worst VP candidate we have ever had.

Posted by: Jill | September 16, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Has John McCain completely forgotten is dealings in the senate in the late 1980s? McCain was the architect of the banking sector failure of the 80s. Now 20 years later history repeats again. In the late 80s Bush Sr. was the v.p, now Bush Jr. is the president. McCain was in the senate doing the dealings for Keating and his associates. Now he is still in the senate blocking any regulations that could have avoided this free fall of the financial markets. Please read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_Loan_crisis

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a sell-out and exposed he is just a typical Republican politician by picking Palin. He picked her to appease his base, poach Hillary votes and stoke a culture divide. Even Britain and Europe know Obama is the better candidate.

The only people who don’t get it are the brainwashed right-wing puppets who think that just because someone has a speech draw and likes to fish that somehow makes politicians just like them or the best candidate to run the government. I like Tina Fey too, that doesn’t mean she should run the country. Are we really this foolish? Palin wasn’t the best or most qualified, it’s because mcCain knew she would be a draw to small town America whom they are duping (Sara Palin ain’t like you, folks).

How is this being a "maverick"? How is it ‘Country First”? How is this “I rather win a war than loose an election”? I’ll say it again, John McCain is a sell-out. Obama said it pretty accurately too - Lipstick on a pig, is still a pig.

The most important metric for picking a VP is they are ready to step in from day one. His judgment is reckless and he gambled at our expense. The mere fact Palin is being educated on foreign policy and is avoiding the press indicates she wasn’t prepared on day one. She is running for the second highest office, but can’t answer questions from the press or public? This doesn’t alarm anyone?

I lost all my respect for John McCain. He's not the hero today he was 35 years ago. McCain is nothing without Palin.

What does it say about a campaign that has to "mimic" what and whom Obama is, not to mention hijack Obamas core message of Change from day one just to poach votes? Is that all they view Obama as, a "product" a "formula", a “personality”? It makes McCain look weak and more importantly, the American people stupid if they fall for it.

Now all these puppets are willing to just get behind her without even knowing anything about her and try to convince the American public she is prepared to be VP or President? Not even uncertain objectiveness, caution, pause or question just because she has an "R" in front of her name? How can anyone make a honest, clear determination reasonably in less than 60 days.

Bravo America! We look like complete idiots once again while the world watches. I am truly embarrassed of my country. I guess all isn’t lost, at least many will have Palin’s eye glass frames while our country crumbles economically. We are such tools.

If Palin/McCain win I'm leaving this country. I’m not paying for a war that should have never happened or failed Bush policies any more than I already have.

British Prime Minister Backs Obama
http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2008/09/brown-backs-oba.htm

World wants Obama
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=world

Posted by: Laura | September 16, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Keating wanted certain regulations of the Savings and Loans industry to be blocked and removed. McCain was instrumental in helping Keating accomplish that through his connections in the senate. In return Keating gave lavish vacations for McCain's family in his jet to goto Bahamas as well as many contributions to his campaign.

In 1989 the government bailed out the failed Lincoln's savings and loan with $160 Billion the biggest payout to that date to save the financial market by the taxpayers.

Now McCain again says the fundamentals of our economy are sound. It is just a matter of time before somebody figures out who has been giving McCain and his family free plane rides to avoid passage of regulations in the senate.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain was one of the Keating 5 corruption scandal in 1989 which led to the failed Lincoln savings and loan. Now McCain wants to eradicate corruption in Washington. Asking McCain to oversee corruption in Washington is like asking the coyote to watch your chicken.

Here's an excerpt from wikipedia about the Keating 5.

"McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[10] and McCain was the closest socially to Keating of the five senators.[21] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[18] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[22] In addition, McCain's wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln."

You can goto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_5 to read the whole deal of the Keating 5 and the involvement of John McCain and his whole family's involvement in the corruption.


Posted by: Will | September 16, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Please.. everybody keeps talking about what has Obama done? I ask what has John McCain ever done well??? He was good at being a POW? He was good at standing up to his own party like it was his dad only to accomplish what? Hes had quite some time to prove himself and was beaten by George W Bush? sweet lets fill the White house with losers....

Posted by: Matt | September 16, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I never thought I would say this but I am almost thinking of voting for obama after all of this double talk. Everthings fundamentally sound to now commercials saying its a crisis.... I dont think McCain knows which way is up unless someone tells him. Its sad to say but the ol'dog just might have seen his day.

Posted by: williamB | September 16, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I swear its going to take another 4 years of BS for you people to wake up??? The economy cant take another and most of the USA will be owned by other countries. Ask yourself the true reasons you wont vote for Barack Obama.. Put aside the name calling and color and ask yourself why? Try change if it dosent work at least you cant say you didnt try. If you vote McCain-Palin, the least economic and intellectual ticket in recent history you will be digging your own graves.

Posted by: erik | September 16, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I see the Republican trolls and supporters are out in full damage control mode. The method to control the damage - spew hate, lies, cynicism and racism.

Well, if that's all you got, we are all getting tired of it. Clearly, McCain is on the wrong side of this. The economy is crashing just like his plane did. The solution is not to let the free market go on with no regulation. It is to give it some semblance of regulation.

Corporate and political greed has gone too far, even in America. It is time for common sense and truth to prevail once again.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | September 16, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

If your for McCain my guess would be you voted for George W Bush. You track record on voting for a mans man or true patriot has truly begun to destroy this country. Please put aside your egos and try to help this country by ether staying home if you cant vote for Obama or doing just that, vote for Barack Obama. I beg you this country needs this change please think about this. The McCain-Palin ticket is a gimmick please see through it, your smarter than that.

Posted by: erik | September 16, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Well said Scott. I am not such a huge McCain fan but the thought of having Obama run our country scares the heck out of me.

The scary part is, is if it was not for talk radio, we, the American people would no nothing about Obama's shady dealings in the past like this and his other associations and hypocrisies.

It is called propaganda, thanks to the Media who portray him as someone who is perfect in every way.

If the Media did half as good a job scrutinizing him as they did Palin would he be a heartbeat away from the Presidency? I think not

Posted by: Rachel | September 16, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Dang Bushie...causing you to lose your job.

Hmmm..maybe you weren't as valuable as you thought you were.

Maybe you didn't want to keep learning.

No doubt...higher effective tax rates in this country cause businesses to leave (energy tax, business tax, regulation).

See ya later business.

If all the whiners out there that lost their jobs were sol valuable...why don't they put their A$$es on the line and start their own company if it's so easy?

Is running a business harder or easier when the government is asking for more of your profit?

IS running a business harder or easier when the government demands you provide things for your employee?

Is running a business harder or easier with more red tape and regulation?

Ahh....all those that complain now see it's quite complex...but again...it's always someone else's fault when you lose your job, gas goes up, etc.

No responsibility...the democrat motto.

Posted by: MakeUsProud | September 16, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Many of the problems our economy faces have been brought on by high oil and high gasoline prices. For the past 2 years, the Democratic leadership, including Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama had pulled all sorts of strings to make the American people believe that the economy is collapsing. They have not passed up any opportunity to hurt the economy in order to make their point. Refusing to take common sense steps to keep oil and gasoline prices low is just one thing the Democratically controlled Congress has done to hurt the economy. We are now sending several billion dollars each and every day overseas. Our money is employing foreign workers to drill, pump, refine, and transport oil, instead of employing American workers to do those same jobs. Who in their right mind would question the impact this currency drain is having? Higher gas prices make it more difficult to meet one's home mortgage payments. And defaulting on Mortgages in part has brought on the current crisis. So should some of the fault of our current Wall Street Crisis be laid at the feet of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and their other liberal Democratic friends? Without a doubt it should!

Posted by: GeraldD | September 16, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Vote Obama=Vote Islam

Posted by: dragonfly777 | September 16, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

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Election '08: Barack Obama premised his campaign on calling for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. But now he's been quietly telling Iraq "not so fast." It's part of a deceptive pattern.


Election: Barack Obama, who premised his campaign on calling for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, has now been quietly telling Iraq "not so fast." It's part of a deceptive pattern.Iraq's Foreign Minister Moshyar Zebari told the New York Post's Amir Taheri that Obama made delaying the troops' return a key theme of his talks with Iraqi leaders during his campaign stop in Baghdad last July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the U.S. elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari told Teheri, on the record.

Funny, that's not what Obama told voters. He has made an immediate pullout the cornerstone of his campaign. Taheri's report signals the Democratic standard-bearer would manipulate the war's end for political advantage and is willing to deceive voters to do it.

This in itself is reprehensible. But his secret calls also leave U.S. troops unnecessarily in harm's way. It's the kind of foreign policy meddling that serves Obama's interests over the national interest.

"Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America," Taheri reported. "To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years."

Can Obama be trusted? We ask because he's shown a pattern of secretive double-dealing with voters, not just in his talking about small town voters one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco, as Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin pointed out, but particularly in foreign affairs.

It dates back to at least February, when Obama's economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, secretly told the Canadian embassy that Obama's demagoguery against NAFTA in the primaries was just a Styrofoam-pillar bid to win the Ohio vote.

Obama's pattern of deception continued. In March, Colombian troops raided a FARC terrorist camp in Ecuador and recovered a terrorist computer belonging to a top FARC warlord, Raul Reyes.

Computer e-mails revealed that someone who knew Obama's positions had secretly met with the terrorists and assured them Obama would cut U.S. military aid under Plan Colombia and veto its free trade pact. Both are major goals of the Marxist terrorists aligned with America's enemies.

Subsequent events confirmed this. Obama did come out in favor of shutting Colombia out of free trade. More disturbingly, Obama adviser Daniel Restrepo last week told Colombia's Radio Caracol that Obama planned to convert the military aid Colombia needs to crush terrorists into social aid programs that don't.

That's not the end of it. Now Obama is double-dealing with Iraqi officials to leave American troops in harm's way and prolong the appearance of war long enough to call it a failure and win votes.

The astonishing thing about Obama's deals is they're the very thing Democrats accused Republicans of without a shred of proof.

They accused Richard Nixon of making a secret deal with the North Vietnamese to prolong the Vietnam war enough to presumably win election in 1968.

Years later, in 1980, they accused Ronald Reagan of making a secret deal with Iranian terrorists holding U.S. diplomats hostage to win election over incumbent Jimmy Carter.

Neither of these claims, often repeated by leftist historians, has ever been proven. But the statement of Iraq's foreign minister, speaking to a leading writer on foreign policy, is considerably stronger as evidence. It signals that Obama places politics over the national interest to the extent that he would work against his own public positions to gull voters into electing him.

It's the absolute opposite of John McCain's courageous position supporting the surge in Iraq, even as politicos were warning him he'd lose the election for it. "I'd rather lose an election than lose a war," McCain said.

With Obama's promises to sit down with dictators in Venezuela, Cuba, Syria and Iran, voters have a right to ask if he's made any deals at odds with his public condemnations of them, too. Before he starts acting like president, he needs to come clean to voters and reveal his true positions. Whatever they are, voters have a right to know.


Posted by: scott | September 16, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

"Now look where Bush has brought us. Record deficits. Ive lost 2 jobs this past year. Housing market in the tank. Stock Market in the tank. Personal incomes DOWN not up."

For all those who are facing unemployment I empathize with you, but the fact of the matter is is that before 2006 unemployment kept reaching record lows by the day. Then the new congress (the democrats) took over... To blame this on Bush is appalling, we experienced tremendous economic growth in the first years of his presidency stocks kept hitting record highs. It has only been these past few years that we have been struggling. (since the Dems took over)

STOP THE BLAME RHETORIC. IF ALL OBAMA CAN DO IS KEEP PASSING THE BLAME THAN THAT DOES NOT SAY MUCH FOR HIM.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Obambie! How are those $28,000 dinners going with Streisand the Nazi sympathizer??

Posted by: dragonfly777 | September 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Economic and Energy crisis, the real 3 a.m. call for Obama and McCain.

Lehman Brothers fails today. Falling values for homes continues to affect financial institutions all across the country. The real truth is that the crisis in the economy and the energy crisis are really one and the same. As the price of energy, and everything else has soared, this has a ripple effect throughout the entire economy. Gas cost more, so you have less to spend on other things and all the people that work in the stores that sold you those things now have a lower income. They therefore cannot afford to buy things, like houses, and on and on down the line. Plus the cost of everything that you have to buy goes up. Everything in every store you ever visited got there by truck. Any energy prices are causing the cost of driving a truck to go up. There is an underlying energy cost in virtually every single product that you buy, be it houses, electronics or food. Farmers had to buy gas to plow their fields, plant their seeds, harvest the crops, and transport the crops to market and on and on.

The underlying economic problem in this country for quite some time is the very simple fact that we import more than we export. You can relate how this works to a household budget. Your imports are the amount that you spend your exports are the amount of income you earn and if you continuously spend more than you earn, you're not going to end up doing very well economically. For years, the biggest factor in our trade deficit has been the importation of oil. Decades ago when oil was cheaper, we decided to make a trade-off. That trade off was a willingness to spend money to import oil and produce less domestically, because it was dirty. The oil spills off the Gulf coasts and off the coast of California were an annoying problem for anyone who went to the beach. I am old enough to remember visiting the beach as a youngster, and at the steps of every hotel along the beach there was basically some rags in a bucket of kerosene or some similar solvent to clean your off the bottom of your feet so you wouldn't track oil back into the hotel. The technology has greatly advanced. Offshore wells now have shut off valves below the seafloor. They close automatically in an emergency to prevent large quantities of oil from leaking into the sea. As a side note, 80% of all the oil on the earth that’s ever been formed has already leaked to the surface. The amount of oil spilled into the ocean today by man is only a tiny fraction of natural leakage of oil. Oil is lighter than water or rock, and after enough rock builds up over the top of it, it gets squeezed and the pressure goes up. If there are any fissures or cracks in the rock, it rises to the surface. Bacteria consume it and it becomes part of the food chain. After all, crude oil is pure organic material; it only causes problems in high concentrations, like a major oil spill. There have been no major oil spills off the coasts as a result of offshore drilling in many years.

And most importantly, the economics of our decision to import oil instead of producing it domestically has changed. At current world prices, and especially their peak price reached a few months ago, we are spending hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars to import oil. The cost of the Iraq war is also an economic drain but the economic drain of the Iraq war is only about 20 or 30% of the economic drain of importing oil. In 1973, the Arab oil embargo caused a similar economic crisis in our country. Of course the obvious effects were the gas lines and the increased price of filling up your car at the pump. But our entire economy suffered greatly. Inflation soared and jobs were lost. Pretty much the same thing that we're experiencing right now. It was because of the ripple effects of energy prices, which is an underlying cost to produce virtually everything we eat or use in our daily lives. This is somewhat mitigated however, if the energy that we are paying increased prices for comes from inside the US. Because the net wealth stays inside our country, increased income from producers of oil is used to purchase goods, products and services that everyone else depends on for their income. If the money flows outside of the United States it is a net loss of wealth.

Earlier this year, when the price of energy soared, that was the 3 a.m. wake-up call. It should have been easily foreseen by Obama and McCain and everyone else that the ripple effects of virtually doubling of energy prices would have throughout the economy. The fallout was going to be brutal and widespread. McCain reversed his earlier position, and the position of pretty much everyone else, and said it was time to open up the outer continental shelf, but not ANWR, for drilling. He made it part of the way but didn't really propose an all-out plan to increase production. Obama came out against offshore drilling. It's McCain that got a grade of “incomplete” and Obama, a grade of complete failure.

The real solution to both the energy and related economic crisis is to become energy independent. Either Obama or McCain could have said the following statement and passed their 3 a.m. test:

“We are in a national emergency. We must become energy independent. This emergency requires the concerted efforts of our most creative and hard-working people all across the country. We need to greatly increase our investments in alternative energy sources, especially carbon free sources, like nuclear, wind and solar. But we also must realize that the time has come to explore every resource we have available to us. We need to produce every additional alternative energy source we can produce, and we need to extract every last barrel of oil and cubic foot of natural gas on American soil that we can find in an environmentally sound way. And we need to do it very quickly. We are out of time.”

The question of course is which candidate will figure this out, and will they figure it out before it's too late.

From:
http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/09/economic-and-energy-crisis-real-3-am.html

Posted by: Charles Hill | September 16, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

For all those who are facing unemployment I empathize with you, but the fact of the matter is is that before 2006 unemployment kept reaching record lows by the day. Then the new congress (the democrats) took over... To blame this on Bush is appalling, we experienced tremendous economic growth in the first years of his presidency and it has only been these past few years that we have been struggling.

STOP THE BLAME RHETORIC. IF ALL OBAMA CAN DO IS KEEP PASSING THE BLAME THAN THAT DOES NOT SAY MUCH FOR HIM.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is trying to live off the fear of the American people. All he talks about is gloom and doom. but them that's all he has. He accused the Repubs of feeding fear about Iraq, but this joker feeds the people fear everyday. The fear of no hope. He acts like the country has never done nothing Wright and that little Obarbie will save us. Soon he will have people believe the Repubs caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. McCain and Palin offer real hope and change, not fear. I can't even watch Obama without disgusts!

Posted by: dragonfly777 | September 16, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Zing, Zing, Zing, Zing

Obama Haters = 0
Bush Haters = 4
Positive Messages = 0

Posted by: RDodge | September 16, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"WHAT IS THAT ON THE SIDE A MCCAINS FACE? IT IS EITHER CANCER, CHEWING TOBACCO, OR ****? I WILL CHOOSE THE LATTER!"

Here we go a perfect example of how the left is DISGUSTING, HATEFUL AND DOWN RIGHT MEAN. What does this have to do with anything? Nothing, but since the liberals have no answers they have to resort to petty insults and bullying.

Posted by: Rachel | September 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

"WHAT IS THAT ON THE SIDE A MCCAINS FACE? IT IS EITHER CANCER, CHEWING TOBACCO, OR ****? I WILL CHOOSE THE LATTER!"

Here we go a perfect example of how the left is DISGUSTING, HATEFUL AND DOWN RIGHT MEAN. What does this have to do with anything? Nothing, but since the liberals have no answers they have to resort to petty insults and bullying.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

"WHAT IS THAT ON THE SIDE A MCCAINS FACE? IT IS EITHER CANCER, CHEWING TOBACCO, OR ****? I WILL CHOOSE THE LATTER!"

Here we go a perfect example of how the left is DISGUSTING, HATEFUL AND DOWN RIGHT MEAN. What does this have to do with anything? Nothing, but since the liberals have no answers they have to resort to petty insults and bullying.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

It seems the mainstream Republicans are of the belief that being conservative is the same thing as being anti-progress. They shun wisdom and make mockery of good and bright ideas and reason except when they fully realize that they are going to lose election if they don't embrace the good ideas. Then they pretend and profess they are for the good ideas only to discard it as soon as they have been elected. Unless Americans stand firm and say No to McCain and the Republicans in this presidential election the Republicans will continue to take for granted that they can always win by lying, cheating,and by sowing seed of hatred and fear in the electorate. A sincere and thoughtful look at what the McCain camp has been saying and doing in this campaign season would reveal clearly that the Republicans truly feel that Americans don't really desire change even though they have had to endure unnecessary hardships imposed on them by the failed ideas and the conservative arrogance of the last eight years of Republican rule. The American electorate owes it a duty to vote unequivocally against the Republican ticket in this presidential election. Americans must rise up and say No to failed policies and obsolete ideas and unfair discrimination and biases for the rich at the expense of the suffering middle and lower classes. We all must rise up to vote for the good and practical ideas and highly beneficial and promising ideas of the Democratic ticket of Obama and Biden. That is the right thing to do. that is the right way forward as we all can see. that is the right thing for America, yes for all of us. For this election we must all learn to say with the best intentions, No way, no how, No McCain/Palin.

Unless one has not been following the debate to see how the McCain camp has been trying to undermine Obama's high education and his intellectual accomplishments as a professor in a prestigious American university. Because of McCain and his camp's inability to understand and properly analyse many of the intelligent points being raised by Obama in his approach to the economy, foreign policy, defense, national security, and strategic policies, they often dismiss every thing they can't follow as empty rhetoric. Even his new celebrity running mate has the audacity to say all that Obama has got to show for his qualification for running for presidency is a single speech he made warning against the Iraq war.
When in America, or in any other country for that matter, aspirants for political offices start calling university professors "empty suit" it is the beginning of a major decline in progress. That was what happened with the Stalinist purge in the former Soviet Union. It was the same thing that happened under the Cultural Revolution in China under Mao Zedong. Both the former Soviet Union and China went on to regret the mistreatment of their intellectuals as "empty suit" or mere "celebrities". It is a shame that McCain should have the guts to belittle Obama's intellectual accomplishments as noting to give him any credit for, while Obama has repeatedly always ready to praise McCain and defend him on the ground of his military service for the country.

It is time to let the warmongers addicted with the Bush/McCain war making doctrine know that America did not come to be the world leader as a result of war and making conquests, but through hard work, intellectual pursuit and science and technological breakthroughs that came from deliberate efforts to achieve true independence, and defend the country and its peoples against any threat from any enemies no matter how strong. In the 1st and 2nd World Wars respectively the world leading nations directly urged the USA to come and take the leadership because it was strong economically technologically and militarily. There must be no disproportionate credit to the military at the expense of other sectors of the society as if we all depend on the military and the military can survive without the working/middle class or the intellectuals and the rest of the greatly diversified American community.

Posted by: abbarick | September 16, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Americans: Energy crisis, Financial crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis. This is the image of failure you are being brainwashed into believing. The manipulative foundation of the Democratic Party wants you to be VERY unhappy with your situation. Americans, you get this ideology from our teachers, our main stream media (MSM), members of our government, our celebrities, and, the Democratic Party with ALL of their surrogates, representatives and financial partners. Take a careful detailed look at the members of the Democratic Party. Look at the sources of funding. Look at the backers. Look at the proponents. Listen to the HATE messages from all these sources.
If you are NOT unhappy with your situation, then you have NO reason to vote for their candidate. Because why do we need change? Let me say it clearly, ALL of these people want YOU AMERICA to be unhappy with your situation. They want you to turn your unhappiness into HATE. HATE the status quo is what will drive you to vote for their candidate. They want your HATE to drive your choice. NOT reasoned, logical, informed choice.
Oh, by the way, this is the Communist / Socialist / Marxist concept of getting change. Please read the books available in your local library on the methods employed by these ideologies to get control of unaware electorates. The unaware electorate is YOU AMERICA.
So, for the last three plus years you have been inundated with HATE training. This training is from the blogs, the MSM, your teachers, members of government and the Democratic Party with a vast army of surrogates, representatives, lawyers and financial partners.
They want you to be unhappy and HATE. Hate Bush, Hate The War, Hate your Government, Hate Business, Hate Women, Hate, Hate, and Hate. When you read a vast number of blogs, all you read is Hate, Hate, and Hate. The HATE mongers have seeded the blogs. A few gullible people buy-in quickly. The gullible, then are taught to spread the Hate Message to others. More buy-in to the Hate ideology. Before you know, it’s a movement. If you are an intelligent American, try to understand what causes YOU as an INDIVIDUAL to spew a hate message, instead of an intelligent positive message or argument. If you stood up in church would you be willing to read as the author the messages you have spoken on the blogs? If not, then STOP the HATE MESSAGES.
We need change alright. We need to STOP putting forth HATE messages. But, I do not think the Democratic Party and the MSM would ever want you to do that. There messages are based on HATE, REDICULE, SLANDER, LIES, PROFANITY, DEGREDATION, and DENIGRATION right in this blog. Please, if you do not agree with this message, point out the messages in THIS BLOG that DO NOT fall within the HATE message. Then, at the same time point out the messages within THIS BLOG that DO represent the HATE message. Count the number on each side.
I want to present an alternative to the HATE = CHANGE concept of getting votes. Let us have a reasoned, logical, informed discussion of the candidates, their points of view, their GOALS for AMERICA, their BELIEFS on how our government should work. Is the Government responsible to solve all your problems, or are YOU responsible to solve your problems.
If you want to convince me to vote for your candidate, present a logical, relevant message that demonstrates where your candidates’ points of view have been presented to the public, where he has worked to have that policy accepted (i.e. signed into law) and then implemented the policy on behalf of his constituents. In other words, what has he done?
If there are NO examples or he wants to present something new, then, present to me the points of view he believes in. These should be points of view he can present as long term views that can be substantiated through a discussion and that will demonstrate why they are good for ALL AMERICANS. Present the PROS and the CONS, show the financial analysis. Be able to discuss the negatives and the benefits for the point of view or policy or program. Be able to sell me on your idea, point of view, policy or program. If you can do that, you have a good chance I may vote for your candidate.
Please, DO NOT present to me, I WILL or I CAN or I HOPE TO, do something. Every time I hear these phrases, I know, from past government experiences, they are just false hope or lies. If you will or can do something, show me the plan. Dates, Times, Costs, Deadlines, Accomplishments, and the Benefits from your plan or work. Present to me the GOAL you are trying to achieve. Make sure it’s a GOAL we ALL agree on.
If you do not have a plan now on how to accomplish the hopes or goals, then there is NO HOPE in achieving any accomplishments. DO NOT tell me how the candidate will hire or appoint people to do the job unless there is a PLAN with GOALS and COSTS. Are you seriously trying to tell me that hiring or appointing a bunch of people will magically cause them to work in unison to accomplish anything where there is NO PLAN or GOAL? Candidate, show me your PLANS and GOALS and COSTS. Show me how you are going to accomplish them. If you CAN NOT, then you are all hot air.

Mr. Candidate, if you CAN NOT or WILL NOT follow the above guidelines, please DO NOT ask me to vote for you.

Americans, STOP the low intelligence slop slinging. All of us should demand a through presentation of the candidates’ points of view. Let us have a through discussion of the COST / BENEFITS understanding of the presented ideas or goals. Then, explain to the American public how you, the candidate, will proceed. Show us your plan. Present to us how you will be able to work your plan, to get it approved, passed, implemented, with a demonstrate able benefit for the AMERICAN public, and, with a clear view of the desired GOAL.

STAND-UP AMERICA!! DEMAND the government you want!!!

Posted by: RDodge | September 16, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Republicans,

Please raise your right hand and repeat after me.

I [state your name] do solemnly swear that I have been wrong about the role government regulation should play in our markets. I hereby acknowledge that unfettered laissez faire economics places the health, safety, and well-being of our citizens at too great of a risk to be allowed. From lead contaminated toys to tainted medicine to an unsafe food supply to the current Wall Street Meltdown,
it is now clear to to me that that my beliefs were foolish. While I still support the streamlining of government regulation, I now recognize that government regulation is necessary for the protection of our citizens and of our economy from stupidity, greed, and corruption. I apologize to my fellow citizens for my support of the disasterous policies that have wreaked havoc on our nation. In an effort to make amends for screwing the pooch on this one with my foolish thinking, I will abstain from voting in November's election. It has become obvious to me that my judgment is lacking.

Posted by: hesingswithfrogs | September 16, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Don! Obama is not a muslim, notice the small (m), but a Christian! Get your unwarranted facts straightened out here. You would choose the UN as a trusted union? Don't you know that the UN is the new "world order?" Educate yourself Don, "GOOGLE IT!" Who cares about the union of islamist, they are a bunch or radicals wanting to kill us Americans, even members of their own faith is drawing away from them because of their violent behavior. Remember, educate yourself Don?

Posted by: Randy S. Valance | September 16, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama just continues being an idiot.

FUNDAMENTALS = FOUNDATION!

Posted by: Not a Pawn to ObamaCON! | September 16, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN AND THE LIBERAL MEDIA IS IN DISARRAY, CONFUSED AND FOAMING AT THE MOUTH after the Maverick, John McCain chose Sarah Palin, a woman reformer for VP. Their response has been a vicious attack on Sarah ranging from insults to smearing and the sexist tactics that brought Hillary's campaign crashing down.
OBAMA FRACTURED AND DIVIDED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHEN HE REJECTED THE CHOICE OF 18 MILLION DEMOCRATS and instead of choosing Hillary Clinton for VP, he chose an old Washington politician Joe Biden, and by this grave mistake in choice, negated the flag of "change" Obama had been waiving and replaced it with the flag of "more of the same".
On the other side, THE MAVERICK STOLE THE MANTRA OF CHANGE FROM BARACK WHEN HE SELECTED A WOMAN REFORMER FOR VP, who has gained the respect of the State she governs as well as of the nation governors.
THE MCCAIN/PALIN TICKET HAS GIVEN HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA TO ALL THE 18 MILLION FORMER HILLARY SUPPORTERS who now have a very compelling reason to vote for the republican ticket, as a way to put their country first by electing a president that has the qualifications, experience and love for our country and at the same time elect a woman to the White House as equal partners in governance and leadership of our country.
Country First!

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN/PALIN!

Posted by: Manolete | September 16, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone ever seen that film of Bush getting off his airplane, not wanting to shake hands with McCain? The fact is, even Bush doesn't even want to shake hands with a backbiter! Why has even the citizens of Arizona put their trust in this man by putting him in an honorable position? Come on Arizona, I have been through your beautiful State, don't destroy it?

Posted by: Randy S. Valance | September 16, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Susan, as I just posted Clinton has much to do with the current economic problems. The thing that neither of current candidates will tell you is that there is little the government can do other than ride this out. Government involvement and manipulation of the market is what caused this problem their further involvement would only make it worse. They are the cause not the solution. Neither of the candidates can admit this.

Posted by: Batgeek | September 16, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

This is why Obama thinks there are 57 states in our union:
The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It groups 57 member states, from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkan, Southeast Asia, South Asia and South America. The official languages of the organization are Arabic, English and French. You can put a Muslim in the White House, if you're that dumb.
From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
Not to mention his admitted Muslim faith comment on national TV...

Posted by: Don | September 16, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

So many people here are really in need of a reality check. McCain will not be another Bush. That’s just a campaign slogan. Obama wants to get elected and so does McCain. They both will say anything they need to that end. Obama or even McCain will not equal change. Anyone that believes that is in need of medication. Honestly your best chance for change would be McCain, but God only knows what that change would be. He’s proven in the past to break with his own party with no other reason it seemed other than to piss them off. Obama is just Bill Clinton, but slicker.

The thing that most people don’t understand is that the POTUS is not the all power ruler that many people make him out to be. He can’t do crap domestically without congress. The President doesn’t make the budget, or even right the tax plan. He can only sign it into law after it passes both houses. This is something the Democrats would desperately like the American people to forget considering they have been in charge the past two years as things have gone to hell. The claim that they are responsible for the current economic crisis would be an unfair statement as would be blaming GWB. The current housing and banking problems are the result of the American dream Act signed into law by Clinton. At the time it sounded like a great idea. Let’s require the banks to make risky loans. Sort of like he borrowed from SS to not only balance the budget, but even make it appear like there was a surplus. Bush got in and said, “Oh my God what did he do”, and put it back. Instantly it seemed like Bush was destroying the economy. That was Bill’s final joke as President. The lesson here is that we almost always do not the economic impact of a President’s decisions until well after he is out of office.

Obama knows this but also knows it would be uncool to blame a fellow Democrat. Now blaming Bush on the other hand is fine and also a favorite past time of many.

Posted by: Batgeek | September 16, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Harry Truman, possibly the best of the best Democratic Presidents would turn over in his grave with what Obama is trying to suggest.

Posted by: Linda | September 16, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I believe that President Clinton's reign plays a much larger role in the ecomomic concerns of today than any one is sharing. I think there should be a legal investigation. I don't like Obama's plan. It won't help. I realize that many of the rich Wall Street people are Democrates themselves and their pockets were the only ones they really cared about as they used the America People as a cover

Posted by: Susan | September 16, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

WHAT IS THAT ON THE SIDE A MCCAINS FACE? IT IS EITHER CANCER, CHEWING TOBACCO, OR ****? I WILL CHOOSE THE LATTER!

Posted by: Albert Instein | September 16, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

What is on the inside of McCains mouth, a pile of****? You may fool the ignorant and rich people of this Country, but you are not fooling me McCain. Maybe, you need to "hop up" in that airplane again McCain and bail out, and get captured by the HONEST and hard working fellow citizens of this Country of OURS, to be put at your living room tables with nothing to eat!! Yes, McCain, we are going hungry at this very moment, bet your not! McCain, if I was attending a Harley Davidson get together party, I wouldn't want to see your old ladies ****, she has none!

Posted by: Randy S. Valance | September 16, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I invite everyone to check out this very humorous, but sad commentary on John McCain's revenue from lobbyists.

http://mccainslobbyists.com/

Posted by: Rattlesnake Bob | September 16, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

hey TCN: are you so ignorant you don't know that majority of the $66M is donations of $100 or less of low-mid income hard working Americans sick of the BS brought forth over the past 8 years? Hell most of them probably gave up a weeks of groceries they are so pissed just to contribute. That does not equate to the US economy being "fundamentally strong". The equates to hatred of people like you who don't have a clue and will vote again for someone like Bush and lead to more hardships on the little guys.

Posted by: white male voter | September 16, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Want to know why we're not better off than before Bush? Because it wouldn't matter who was president, we'd be paying $4 gallon for gas anyhow (Obama blames Bush and claims inflating your tires will solve oil issues), China, India, and Africa just weren't ready for all that oil in the 1990's, now they can't live without it. Bicycles were the main source of transportation in Beijing before the year 2000, now they're not even allowed in many parts of the city, and even middle class Chinese are now buy a car as an entire family (no way even 10 years ago). Bush didn't do jack! 3 billion people around the world have emerged from the stone age during Bush's 8 year presidency. And let's not forget that the Iraqi government tried to have our US president killed (Bush Sr.) during a trip to Kuwait in 1992, that's an act of war right there, not counting the counterfeiting of our money which is also a valid reason for invasion. Supposedly Saddam even had chemical weapons, and it wasn't like he had never used them on the Kurds before, so why wouldn't he have had any? Certainly sounded plausible at the time. Bush Jr was angry somebody tried to have daddy killed, and had weird paintings of his daughters.

Posted by: Chuck | September 16, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

One thing about McC**p, he will change as soon as he finds a celebrity to help him.

Remember Obama has no experience?

Remember rock star remarks?

Remember Obama is a tax raising politician?

The he picked Palin to be his shining rock star, a brain dead nut with no experience who raised taxes on oil companies in the middle of an energy crisis!! Now somehow all those bad things are good.

Ye old organ grinder found his little monkey.

Senile or just a scum bag trying any trick to be the prez? you decide.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 16, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Sharon Chen

I think you have your candidates all
mixed up.
What you just said belongs to McCain.
You must like a foul mouthed,lying
canidate.

Obama my dear has what you have never
heard of we call it Class!!!!

Posted by: s | September 16, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I was determined to vote for McCain, but I just can't trust what the guy is saying. He's admitted he doesn't know the economy and he wants to borrow more money from Chine to give everyone a tax break. Not very smart. I'll be voting for Bob Barr.

Posted by: Jack Riley | September 16, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

That's a great joke... the rich actually paying for "the majority of the income classes" to "give it to the poor and middle classes..." the trickle-down theory has never proved a successful economic model. The problem is that most of the rich just get richer and greedier with that system, and most rich people are not Robin Hood. Senator McCain has several homes here in the U.S., thanks to his current wife's funding (guess that his former wife was too poor for his taste, after she became wheelchair-ridden). He only recently paid his delinquent home taxes after considerable pressure... if he can't take care of his own finances in a timely fashion, how can he be expected to attend to the financial woes that our country is going to be plagued by for years to come? If the highlights of his military career are crashing planes and getting caught by the enemy and bailed out on several occasions, how exactly does he expect to apply this knowledge to the current war? The poor and middle class make up the majority of our population, so to say that they will not invest under Obama's new economic plan is ridiculous. It is they who have suffered the worst and lost the most under the brutal onslaught of an unchecked and unregulated corporate America, and it is the poor and middle-class families who deserve to rebuild their homes and lives the most. After all, if the middle class fails to create enough offspring for the Republicans' endless war machine moving forward, that would really make the wheels fall off and cause the economy to collapse quickest, making the Great Depression look like kiddie stuff. So long as there are younger generations (such as myself) to pawn the debt off on, why should Republicans worry? Most of them are self-righteous, God-fearing Christians who live for the end of the world, anyway. And before some Republican nut mis-quotes that out of context, let it stand for the record that I was raised very active in my local Catholic community. I just don't believe in not improving the misery and suffering of countless others, and I don't think any higher power would disagree with me there.

For those fools who don't realize that after taking ALL factors into consideration, our misery index is actually much higher NOW than it was during the Great Depression, I have no pity for you or your mis-informed judgements. For those rich Republicans who don't stop to realize that the highest costs of their crimes will be theirs in the long run, I do not sympathize with you for your short-sightedness.

Senator Obama wasn't my first choice as next President, but if I have to choose between fatally blowing my brains out or shooting myself in the foot, of course I will opt for him as the lesser of two evils. He speaks honestly and intelligently (which is something I think this country has forgotten how to recognize), and more importantly, he thinks carefully before he speaks! I am ready to listen -- whether or not the rest of the country is, well, that is another story. Obama isn't bristling and attempting to resist indictment (as Sarah Palin currently is) -- in fact, the more angry and abusive that the Republican party treats him (especially with their nasty ad campaigns, many of which are outright lies), the more calm and collected Obama becomes. Obama's track record, while not as experienced as McCain's, is cleaner and more promising than any lie that McCain could ever tell. And hey, if the cost of having a considerate and less-corruptible candidate in the White House ends up being increased taxes to dig us out of the tax-and-spend cycle that the Republicans forgot how to break, I'll be the first to pony up. I'm tired of putting my dreams on hold because I fear that the Republicans will provoke WWIII with their ignorance and arrogance. I'm tired of the cost of living steadily sky-rocketing, while the minimum wage is stagnant, and the quality of life for most rapidly declines. I believe that America can rise again like a Phoenix from the ashes, if we focus the considerable time, care, and effort to undo the havoc that the Bush administration has greatly helped to wreak on our country. Unless we learn from our history, we are doomed to repeat it. I want to help rebuild our democracy in the only way that it can and should exist -- in the hands of the people and Democrats.

Posted by: Charismatic Californian | September 16, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

hey TCN: are you so ignorant you don't know that majority of the $66M is donations of $100 or less of low-mid income hard working Americans sick of the BS brought forth over the past 8 years? Hell most of them probably gave up a weeks of groceries they are so pissed just to contribute. That does not equate to the US economy being "fundamentally strong". The equates to hatred of people like you who don't have a clue and will vote again for someone like Bush and lead to more hardships on the little guys.

Posted by: white male voter | September 16, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

It's always amusing that when Democrats propose sensible policy proposals... the media call it being "wonkish," as if Americans aren't smart enough to understand what they're talking about.

Maybe the media's that stupid, but the rest of us aren't.

Likewise, I don't think Republicans have ever been called wonkish... either because they never propose policy other than hating gay people and women... or because they're just "so butch" that they can't be seen that way (as they solicit gay prostitutes in mens' restrooms).

Posted by: JD | September 16, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed that U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee for the past two years, is MIA and not available to the media and is not reacting to the economic meltdown? Hmmm. Maybe Candidate Obama knows where Congressman Frank is hiding (or, more importantly, why he's hiding)?

Posted by: Brent | September 16, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5804581&page=1

Critics Question Palin's Record on "Epidemic" Rape, Domestic Violence in Alaska

Effort to Tackle Sex Violence Stalled by Palin's Office, Sources Say

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

More "honorable actions" by McCain Republicans:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/09/16/jewish_voters_report_calls_disparaging_obama/

Is there no end to the lies and sleaze??

Posted by: wolf | September 16, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"All social liberties will remain in tact. Get a new rant."

You do not find it at all disturbing that under GWB, an American citizen was seized and held without charge or hearing for three years? Once this precendent is set, it's not too hard to expand the definition of enemy combatant to include any critics of the state.

I suppose you think "habeas corpus" is un-American cuz it sounds furrin.

Posted by: joebewildered | September 16, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

More "honorable actions" by McCain Republicans:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/09/16/jewish_voters_report_calls_disparaging_obama/

Is there no end to the lies and sleaze??

Posted by: wolf | September 16, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

If Obama doesn’t think that the “fundamentals of our economy” are not strong, then let us pray for this country if Obama is elected. He raised 66 MILLION DOLLARS in one month – name me a single country where he can replicate this? We have the highest GDP in the world – Obama. Don’t tell me Capitalism is not strong – Obama. And tonight Obama is going to a very expensive dinner and afterward a nice relaxing concert with his Hollywood buddies: $28,500 a plate and $2,500 a ticket to hear beauty and the Beast (Barbara ) sing. WOW!!! And he’s for the little guy – why don’t you tell your friends to give some of that money to the hurricane victims? Obama (Ayers) manifesto is turning this great country into a socialist-communist state? The reason why our country is in such turmoil is because this government doesn’t have any accountability. Who’s responsible the fall of Freddie and Fannie? How come there’s no investigation? Where is Schumer? Dobb, Pelosi, and Obama received the most donations from Fannie and Freddie. Cried Liberal Wolf – “Even when liars tell the truth, they are never believed. The liar will lie once, twice, and then perish when he tells the truth.”

Posted by: TCN | September 16, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Republican politicians are thieves who, at best take care of their own and, at worst are guilty of treason.

Posted by: simonsays | September 16, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I just pooped my pants

Posted by: J Mac | September 16, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I just pooped my pants

Posted by: J Mac | September 16, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

joebewildered

Looking back at some documents in the Truman Library, it seems like we've been battling these issues for at least the last 60 yeras.

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"The Wall Street reactionaries are not satisfied with being rich. They want to increase their power and their privileges, regardless of what happens to the other fellow. They are gluttons of privilege.

These gluttons of privilege are now putting up fabulous sums of money to elect a Republican administration.

Why do you think they are doing that? For the love of the Republican candidate? Or do you think it is because they expect a Republican administration to carry out their will, as it did in the days of Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover?

I think we know the answer. I think we know that Wall Street expects its money this year to elect a Republican administration that will listen to the gluttons of privilege first, and to the people not at all.

Republican reactionaries want an administration that will assure privilege for big business, regardless of what may happen to the rest of the Nation.

The Republican strategy is to divide the farmer and the industrial worker--to get them to squabbling with each other--so that big business can grasp the balance of power and take the country over, lock, stock, and barrel.

To gain this end, they will stop at nothing. On the one hand, the Republicans are telling industrial workers that the high cost of food in the cities is due to this Government's farm policy. On the other hand, the Republicans are telling the farmers that the high cost of manufactured goods on the farm is due to this Government's labor policy.

That's plain hokum. It's an old political trick. "If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'era." But this time it won't work."

---Harry S Truman, September 18, 1948
http://trumanlibrary.org/publicpapers/index.php?pid=1814

I wonder if it will work this time.

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Anonomyous, sorry if I just want to live in the greatest country in the world free from those, like you, who would seek to make it socialist or communist."

Ah DRG, you crazy freak, your posts on this page exist only because of a government funded project which grew into the lovely internet you see hee-yar.

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"The problem with this type of posting from a so-called "conservative" is that they are not conservative. If you vote Republican you believe in taking away civil liberties and passing laws that tell people what they can and cannot do, even in their own bedroom."

Hey anonymous, what civil liberties have you had removed by the Bush administration? Gay marriage is still up in the air, except in California. Which McCain clearly stated is fine with him. Let the states decide. Abortions are still legal. I still smoke pot whenever I choose to, illegal or not. And I believe, its been illegal during Dem administrations too. I still commit sodomy as often as my girlfriend allows. Bush and the Repubs have affected my life in no way. So get over the chicken little mentality. Roe v. Wade WILL NEVER be overturned. Gay marriage will work itself out. All social liberties will remain in tact. Get a new rant.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

to Chris C
Admitting we are sick is the first step.
One of us Buddy. One of us.

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

More evidence (as if we need any) that McCain=Bush.

Criticism of Bush = Hating America.
Criticism of McCain = Hating American Workers.

Why do people fall for the same crap over and over again.

It's like watching some rube get fleeced at 3 card monty except its not just his own money (future) he's playing with, but all of ours.

Posted by: joebewildered | September 16, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

An Orphaned Moose Followed Me Home

Posted by Mishelle K.
Tuesday, 16 September 2008

This sounds like something out of Readers' Digest, but recently a neighbor went for a walk up Falls Creek (near our home), found a baby moose in some distress in the creek, got him out of the creek, tried to send him on his way, tried to find the mother, but eventually the moose stumbled back into the creek, was rescued again, and followed Jonathon home.

Jonathon has only a small cabin so took the moose to another neighbour, who took these photos. I have never even seen moose in this area, so am bewildered that a baby moose would be on its own way up a mountainous creek.

They took the moose the next day to Helen Jamieson in Blewett, who looks after wild animals. She put it in a pen with a fawn. Apparently the moose calf-deer fawn combo is excruciatingly cute.

{Was Palin out there hunting recently gettin in a little rec time?}

Posted by: Maryann8 | September 16, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Bobo4bush

Grow up! Goofball

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

to Saw it Coming
My cousin owns one in Quebec.
Some poutine would be nice!

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain has become a joke. I used to like this guy and was torn for a while. Now it's a simple choice. He's old and he wants to finish his life on top. A noble objective, but certainly not appropriate right now. I'm voting for Obama.

Posted by: Rhetoric Aside... | September 16, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"You remember the results of that Wall Street Republican policy. You remember the big boom and the great crash of 1929. You remember that in 1932 the position of the farmer had become so desperate that there was actual violence in many farming communities. You remember that insurance companies and banks took over much of the land of small independent farmers--223,000 farmers lost their farms.

That was a painful lesson. It should not be forgotten for a moment.
...
Our intentions are made clear by our deeds. In this 20th century, every great step forward has come during Democratic administrations of the National Government. Every movement backward has come under Republican auspices, and it is the people who have paid dearly for these reactionary moves.

Too much is now at stake--here and throughout the world--to take the wrong path now.

There is one way to stop the forces of reaction.

Get every vote out on election day, and make it count. You can't afford to waste your votes this year.

I'm not asking you just to vote for me. Vote for yourselves! Vote for your farms! Vote for the standard of living that you have won under a Democratic administration!

Get out there on election day, and vote for your future!"

---Harry S. Truman, September 18, 1948
http://trumanlibrary.org/publicpapers/index.php?pid=1814

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Barak Obama was here in Golden, CO. today. I was leaning toward the democratic ticket, untill one of his aids kicked my dog!
So now, i'll be voting McCain and his pet friendly ticket.

Obama and his cronies are baby killers and are not fond of small animals. Be careful who you vote for this Nov.

Posted by: Bobo4bush | September 16, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"He thinks running for president means parading around and reminding people of the hardships he suffered"
------

BUT.. in the 21st century McCain cannot suffer the hardship of learning how to send and receive email. He has his girls to do that work for him. Of course, in the 20th century, he excelled at finishing in the bottom 1% of his class. His only real success in life was dumping his disabled wife for one worth 100 million. NOW that is the change John McCain believes in!

Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Sigh: "SAME STORY, DIFFERENT YEAR. It's pointless."

(Cynicism 'can damage democracy's health')
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/sep/14/research.humanbehaviour?gusrc=rss&feed=science

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonomyous, sorry if I just want to live in the greatest country in the world free from those, like you, who would seek to make it socialist or communist.
Posted by: DRG | September 16, 2008 5:29 PM

What you said is true but you are hardly the reason for that greatness.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Jeff,

I got my Canadian Residency after Bush got re-elected.

Can I get you something from Tim's?

Posted by: Saw it Coming | September 16, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

If your going to vote republican....write Ron Paul on your ballots

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The vitriol here is caustic. I think you are all sick. You are what is wrong with this country. You all need to seek help.

Life is not politics.

Posted by: Chris C | September 16, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain would continue this economy in its path to the Mexican economy. That would make us all MexiCain I guess.

Posted by: rd | September 16, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Back in 1999 Dr Phil Gramm was responsible for the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which gave banks freedom to pursue greed more effectively.
This very good friend of mccain also was responsible the so called Enron loophole.
This very good friend of bush recently called Americans concerned about the economy whiners.
If mccain is elected Dr. Phil will have a very good friend in mccain and will continue to screw things up.
if mccain wins dont come whining to me.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"Most peculiar mama"

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters = Smear
Obama supporters = Sour Grapes
Obama supporters = Profanity
Obama supporters = Sexism
Obama supporters = Disgrace
Obama supporters = Divisiveness
Obama supporters = spinners

Posted by: Sharon Chen | September 16, 2008 5:30 PM


OMG, it's a true bizarro world post!!! I love it!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Obama supporters = Smear
Obama supporters = Sour Grapes
Obama supporters = Profanity
Obama supporters = Sexism
Obama supporters = Disgrace
Obama supporters = Divisiveness
Obama supporters = spinners

Posted by: Sharon Chen | September 16, 2008 5:30 PM "

And there you have republican math. Take any given candidate, hell even eat your own (read: McCain 2000) and associate them with some word with a negative connotation. Are you sure you're a real person, or just a small computer program?

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters = Americans who truly believe in America and will support an administration who will actually work to improve this great country

McCain supporters = Americans who believe they do not deserve to live in a country that actually cares about them and are happy to watch our jobs leave and to watch our great country further crumble in front of us. The GOP NEVER tells us how they are going to make our lives better. They always seem to tell us that we have to make hard choices.... that is 95% of Americans make hards choices while the 5%^ benefit. Apparently, the person who said "let them eat cake" must have been a Republican at heart.

Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters = Smear
Obama supporters = Sour Grapes
Obama supporters = Profanity
Obama supporters = Sexism
Obama supporters = Disgrace
Obama supporters = Divisiveness
Obama supporters = spinners

Posted by: Sharon Chen | September 16, 2008 5:30 PM

This was the best I could do please forgive me, I was told by the RNC to publish this. They won't let me talk about issues because we might show ourselves to know more than McCain.

Posted by: Sharon Chen | September 16, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonomyous, sorry if I just want to live in the greatest country in the world free from those, like you, who would seek to make it socialist or communist.

We live through good times and bad, up times and down. Some down times are harder than others. The stock market has set rocord high after record high for the past several years.

We will recover and bounce back better than ever.

This is our country. It was founded on freedom and that includes the freedom to fail. This is part of what makes us so great.

Just move to another country if you don't like it.

You libs depress me too much! It is always the end of the world! Well, the sun will rise tomorrow no matter how much you wish it away!

Posted by: DRG | September 16, 2008 5:29 PM

....................................................................

The problem with this type of posting from a so-called "conservative" is that they are not conservative. If you vote Republican you believe in taking away civil liberties and passing laws that tell people what they can and cannot do, even in their own bedroom.

Now, the classic definition of liberalism is a world-view that government should interfere with people's lives "for the better good". So, right-wingers are not "conservatives", they are "right-wing liberals".

A true conservative would want smaller government, greater civil liberties AND would say that it is improper to legislate morality on issues like gay rights or abortion.

Right wingers do not pass that test in an era when they've overseen the greatest expansion of the federal government since the New Deal, want to restrict civil liberties and torture people AND want to legislate morality. Folks, the right wingers are the one's who want the government to take over your life; not the left-wingers.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Everybody is better than every one else and we are all the best!

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't someone ask McCain to tell about his part in the savings and loan disaster of the early eighties again.

Posted by: George_W | September 16, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"Strange days

I can't wait to here you on the radio.

Posted by: brock101 | September 16, 2008 5:28 PM "

Why? It will sound just like any of the others conservative shows, how will you know? Well, maybe not as good as that Michael Reagan guy - I mean, I'm sure I can come up with something as offensive as shoving grenades up the babies of Muslim parents, but how did he come up with that bit about lighting the grenade? That's the pinnacle of conservative thought: mixing the best of vicious hatred with stunning ignorance while diminishing neither. Outstanding!

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Have you noticed how most of these Republican posts are all first timers,..with the same words, the same attacks, and the same spelling errors??


They're doing it like a mirror. Whatever McCain does wrong this small group turns around and say Obama is doing exactly that. I think they may be paid to do this stuff. I heard about Rove paying people to do this last time. It was on Yahoo after the 2004 elections, they were talking about it.

Posted by: Marcus | September 16, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Look, Bush's "popularity" is at around 30%.

That means I guess that 70% don't like Bush.

If you want more of the same vote for McSame. He's a rubberstamp Rupublican and wimm bring you four more years.

Dont believe he's gonna "cahnge" things...he aint and his die hard supporters know it.

Dont let them play you for a sucker again.

If you have had enough, vote Obama/Biden.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants to take action so that there is not a crash. John McCain wants someone to tell him what to do. That is not leadership, its a man over run with fear because he does not know what to do.

He thinks running for president means parading around and reminding people of the hardships he suffered as if the rest of us have not had to overcome impediments, either God given or misfortune. Then if he tells a lie or two puffing up his VP or misstating something about Obama is all it takes to become president.

Obama is ready as this problem plays out. John McCain is groping to decide whether he wants to call it a crisis. The man can not think on his feet, he is not presidential. He needs to be told what to do, thus he calls for a commission to tell him.

Posted by: Ronnn | September 16, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I am a canadian living here in the states.
My wife and kids and grandkids are American.
In Canada we always thought it was Americans.
I guess we were wrong its libs and conservatives.
Welcome to Canada! We have plenty of room.
Just have a chair in back and try to get along.

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about you all, but I'm tired of politics in this country.

Each side is the truth. Each side is a liar. Each side will save America. Each side will ruin the country. We'll be safer. We'll be more vulnerable.

SAME STORY, DIFFERENT YEAR. It's pointless.

Posted by: Sigh | September 16, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Well there you have it fight fans.

Just 3 weeks after the start of this bout John McCain is taking a standing 8 count. Repeated blows from the vicious Republican economy have put him on the ropes.

He's looking to his corner...any help there from his "soul mate" Gov. Palin?

Ummmm...no.

Posted by: Wide World of Sorts | September 16, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

" You said it "Strange days"

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:22 PM"

Yeah, it was really easy too! The conservative way is much easier because if everything is make believe, you don't have to waste any time thinking about what you're saying.

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters = Smear
Obama supporters = Sour Grapes
Obama supporters = Profanity
Obama supporters = Sexism
Obama supporters = Disgrace
Obama supporters = Divisiveness
Obama supporters = spinners

Posted by: Sharon Chen | September 16, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"Obama Ridicules McCain's Economic Response"
-------

More evidence Americans need to worry about a fossil fool.

Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Promises Without Recipe
&
Insult and Ridicule


So far, Barack Obama has given a lot of motivational speeches filled with promises about transparency & change.

In addition, he's expressed a whole lot of insult & ridicule to his opponents (all of them).


How many more podium signs will this man hang while giving the SAME speeches of unexplained promises?
When will this man stop complaining about the current President (who's term is nearing end), and his opponents and start explaining why anyone should vote for him.

Posted by: Truthfully | September 16, 2008 5:27 PM


..........................................................................

Now this is the classic definition of an ironic post. It is signed "Truthfully" but it is all a big lie. It's like Sarah Palin saying she's pro-women's rights...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonomyous, sorry if I just want to live in the greatest country in the world free from those, like you, who would seek to make it socialist or communist.

We live through good times and bad, up times and down. Some down times are harder than others. The stock market has set rocord high after record high for the past several years.

We will recover and bounce back better than ever.

This is our country. It was founded on freedom and that includes the freedom to fail. This is part of what makes us so great.

Just move to another country if you don't like it.

You libs depress me too much! It is always the end of the world! Well, the sun will rise tomorrow no matter how much you wish it away!

Posted by: DRG | September 16, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The difference is, and Obama pretty clearly defines the Dems ignorance on this, the economy is not a political issue. The economy is bad because the housing market crashed. Badly. Simplification, but true. And why is that? Because people defaulted on their loans in record numbers. People who weren't qualified were given huge loans. And the first thing Obama does is blame the Repubs for the failure of Lehman. How on earth is it the Repubs fault if people don't pay their mortgage? At least McCain has the brains to admit it's Lehman's fault for providing all of these unqualified people money. I guess we are to assume that the Republican cabal made sure that people couldn't afford to pay back the loans they weren't qualified for in the first place? Dems can't be that dumb or paranoid.

Posted by: David | September 16, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

**********"Don't miss the fine print. Your taxes may be lower on your pay stub, but you WILL be taxed indirectly through Obama’s tax plan. That's pretty irresponsible in a market where people need confidence, even if our economic fundamentals are strong."

Same garbage . Different wrapper. Your taxes HAVE ALREADY GONE UP. Your house is worth the same amount it always was. Your taxes have doubled. Inflation under Bush has been 17-21 percent. Don't trust me. Look at your food bills year after year. You think your safer. Did you undergo search at the airport 10 years ago? Bush has done everything the terrorists wanted him to do. We're weaker, poorer, lost international prestige and more vulnerable to more terrorists than before. McSame will just keep it going.

You've lost so much in the last 8 years because of these incompitants. Do you want another 4 or 8 years of these boobs cheating your children. Spending us into bankruptcy. driving our economy into the dirt????
That's what you got and that's what you'll get if you go republican this time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Strange days

I can't wait to here you on the radio.

Posted by: brock101 | September 16, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Promises Without Recipe
&
Insult and Ridicule


So far, Barack Obama has given a lot of motivational speeches filled with promises about transparency & change.

In addition, he's expressed a whole lot of insult & ridicule to his opponents (all of them).


How many more podium signs will this man hang while giving the SAME speeches of unexplained promises?
When will this man stop complaining about the current President (who's term is nearing end), and his opponents and start explaining why anyone should vote for him.

Posted by: Truthfully | September 16, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

we are like those vc that Kamakaze mccain used to bomb all those years ago. we are small and insignificant to him, we are poor.
Dr Phil Gramm thinks we are whiners. With him as mccains co-pilot we will be just be more economic casualties of the war on the poor.
Get used to it - no whining!

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Thanks strange days

Now I will vote for mccain.

Posted by: brock101 | September 16, 2008 5:22 PM"

Would you writing me a recommendation? I'm thinking about taking a job as a right wing talk show host, its a lot easier than what I'm doing now, and the pay grade is vastly higher. Plus, apparently, I can make people vote for Republicans on my first TRY!

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"The rich are currently paying more taxes than they ever were."


BOLD FACED LIE.

I refuse to read anything else you post.

Bush's tax cuts lowered their taxes significantly.

Perhaps YOU should do some more research. Even Obama's plan won't tax the rich at a record rate......

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Rush limbaugh is the blame for all these so called experts

Listen to 3 hours you become an expert in bullsh?tology

Listen for a week no one can tell you sh?t

Listen for a year and nothing can save you Rush is your GOD.

Posted by: brock101 | September 16, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Chaz,

Senator Obama has said they he intends to give tax breaks to corporations that do business in America rather than moving jobs overseas. You need to tell the whole truth. We're sick of Republican half-truths and lies...they are what got us stuck financially and militarily.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey anonymous,I support Obama and I am
in Colorado.
School of mines is a good school.
I may not agree with David on everything but that was uncalled for.

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

>> Obamma=America hater

Obama hates America? Stupid sensationalist rhetoric, and you know it.

Instead of being divisive, how about trying to understand other people's points of view? You can disagree with Obama's policy all you want. That's why you vote.

Put down the pitchfork and try using the brain that God gave you.

Posted by: SayWhatYouMean | September 16, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

On Jan 19 2001 the S&P was 1342. That is the day before inauguration. Today the S&P is 1213. That is down 129 points,
That is down 9.6%

Posted by: Ronnn | September 16, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Jerry said "Obama is a blow hard!There is no way he can do what he has promised the American people and he has no intention of doing it. Any idiot knows that congress controls 99% of the things Obama talks about, not the president. It's the same old democratic bulls--t. Promise them everything, deliver nothing. If you've got a welfare, government handout mentality, you'll love the democrats. But, isn't it time to look out for yourself, instead of expecting the government to bail you out. So you lost you job, find another."

So, Jerry, I guess we have to move to Mexico or India to get a new job now, thanks to the Repubes in office. And I'll take the government HELPING me and anyone else over HURTING me to HELP big business and line fatcats pockets!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey abortion guy, nobody cares. Even the people you voted for who said they did. Now get back to beating your wife in the name of Jesus.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Stop complaining about capital gains tax going up under Obama because most of you will not even be required to pay any next year, the year after or much longer if McCain is elected. With the way this stock market is performing and the likelihood it will continue to drain your pockets you won't have to pay any capital gains, hence it increasing is irrelevant to this discussion.

Posted by: white male voter | September 16, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

My friends GW Bush and John McCain understand your pain in this hour of crisis. As a sign of respect to you I have asked them each to only live in five houses at a time. Also I told them to live like the average american on just 400K a year. I also told them to sell all of the Rolls Royces and only drive the four Mercedes Benzes. Now they will feel your pain. I hope you see that they do understand you and then you can vote for them in this election. Gotta go, I heard another Hurricane is coming and I feel another record oil year is in the works.

Posted by: John J Rockefeller IV | September 16, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

You said it "Strange days"

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. Barack can talk all he wants but anyone, anyone who would appose a law that would ban the practice of leaving infants who survived murder attempts by their own mother and doctors to DIE is not someone who defends the weak and helpless. He supports the powerful, in this case the mother."


Actually, there were already Illinois laws that state that doctors MUST try to save any VIABLE fetus that is born, prematurely or post abortion or not.

More LIES from the Republican "spin" machine. Like "comprehensive" sex education for kindergarten kids, leaving out the term AGE APPROPRIATE.......

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Colorado school of what? Among the best in the country for what? I went to one of the top 10 Universities in the country for Engineering and I've never heard of you.

Is this a fake post like that soldier who said Obama punched his mom or similar nonsense? Give it a rest College Republican. There won't be much left for daddy to hand you if we stay under Republican rule.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Thanks strange days

Now I will vote for mccain.

Posted by: brock101 | September 16, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama is right actually. Deregulation is how we got into this current mess. Consequently, banks then loaned money to everyone and their brother, knowing full well that the government could not let huge institutions collapse if worse came to worse, and thus would back their risky investments implicitly on the taxpayer's dime. And they were right.

Posted by: Ben | September 16, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

--------------"Think of this whole election as if you're hiring someone to pilot your personal jet; Mccain is the guy with a 4-year degree, pilot training AND 10,000 hours of real flight time behind the controls of a 747"

Not the most apt metaphor. John crashed 5- THAT'S FIVE jets. He's got some of the worst pilot judgement in the air I ever heard of. He single handedly made himself an ace for the other side. He'll do the same for America. Probably hand us over to the Chinese and not even know he did it.

Posted by: marcus | September 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

DRG posted: "Their govt can run everything, control everything, decide everything, they can have Obama's redistribution of wealth and live happily ever after. We'll call it something like .... CHINA OR RUSSIA!"

Right, like .... a housing bubble and a collapse of the financial sector as evidenced by Wall Street yesterday because our 70-year milquetoast regulations can't work in 2008. Who would want responsible oversight when we can have a wrecked economy instead! Brilliant reactionary thinking!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I believe most of you are smarter than what you are giving yourself credit for. When you simply restate what you've heard rather than doing some research and analysis, you're simply regurgitating what your candidate says.

The economy isn't some simple thing that you can characterize with a single word. The economy fundamentals are strong. Do your own research and you'll find out (unless you're looking for doom and gloom, then you're sure to find it). Look for independent research if you want real facts. Don't just be a mini-Barak repeating every word as if it were actually true. He's more cynical than I thought he was capable of being.

The rich are currently paying more taxes than they ever were. If you became rich would you suddenly become benevolent and expect to pay more than your share? It's easy to say "yes" when you haven't gotten there yet, isn't it? Obama's plan to reduce taxes for everyone who makes less than $250k would be great, but he wants to put the tax burden on small businesses from which you purchase gas, clothing and food. When he does, you’ll be paying more in taxes than what Obama plans to reduce.

Obama will tax corporations. We all want the 'corporate machine' to pony up, right? Well, it's not corporations who should pay more. Corporations are owned by shareholders like most middle class Americans (making less than $250k) with 401(k) plans. It's the CEOs of those corporations who need oversight, regulation, and shareholder approval for their salaries and stock options.

Corporate taxation policies send jobs away from America. It makes America a less inviting place to conduct business. Fewer corporations = fewer jobs in America. Higher taxes on existing corporations mean higher prices, which means indirect taxation for you and me.

Don't miss the fine print. Your taxes may be lower on your pay stub, but you WILL be taxed indirectly through Obama’s tax plan. That's pretty irresponsible in a market where people need confidence, even if our economic fundamentals are strong.

Posted by: Chaz | September 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"I don't have a lot of time to write this letter because I've been spending all of my time looking for a job the last four months and am still somewhat desperately trying to do so. My eleven year old daughter depends on it. I'm not one of the people who are even counted in the 600,000+ people who've lost their jobs in the last nine months in this country as I am a consultant...a profession I took up after I was laid off after 23 years at the sam e company. I didn't withstand the last round of downsizing. I will tell you that jobs are very hard to come by, even in the Information Technology profession right now, especially if you are a female over a certain age. But I will persevere. I don't believe in ceilings either.

In the meantime, given that I am spending less time in an office right now, I've spent more time observing radio, TV, and the internet. I am incredulous that Americans are falling once again for being manipulated by emotional pleas rather than going by the facts in choosing someone to sit in the Oval Office.

Yesterday, as my 401k fell another few percentage points to hit a 20% drop in the last year, I heard John McCain say the the American economy is basically sound. John McCain and his super-wealthy friends and lobbyist advisors may think the economy is sound, but the proof is not out there for most Americans. Does Mr. McCain think we are going to continue to buy whatever he tells us as the truth? We have gone down that road twice with Republican ads and manipulations during the last eight years. I hope that we have learned something.

Even my 84-year-old mother who has never voted for a Democrat ever in her life is going to vote for Barack Obama. She started to be swayed by McCain's choie of Sarah Palin until she found out how thin Ms. Palin's qualifications were and how much she twisted the truth. The Republican Party has become seriously out of touch given the take-over by people in major corporations who just want more and more and more money for their pockets....."

To read full article, please click on:

http://www.mynews2u.com/hive_thread.php?fid=52

Posted by: silvia | September 16, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I love this total fantasy world Republicans live in. We don't like Washington insiders (like McCain) and we think inexperience at the same thing is bad (like Palin).
Yeah, Rove retired and now all your stupid mud slinging and gimick moves (Palin) all just look ham handed. If your going to use this scumbag politics of Bush & friends your gonna have to have better ammo than "he's a celebrity". This is American morons, everybody loves celebrities. And good forbid he's a community organizer. (gasp) How dare he help people when Palin was taping her boobs for the Mrs.Podunk pageant.

Posted by: Jayhawk | September 16, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

BARACK HUSSEIN ABU JAMAL ZOHUR KARREEM HASSEM HYYD D'SAALAAMI ISLAM TERRIORIST GUY has 1000 felons on his campaign, owns 42 houses which he all bought from that convicted murderer guy in Chicago, runs a white slavery ring, and raids hospitals for babies to sell on the black market that have been aborted by a bill that he voted on that makes doctors do abortions with a sledge hammer! His MUSLIM father is actually Osama bin Laden why won't the newspapers cover it! And all his economic advisers are terrorists that work for Al Qaida! And GOD came down and declared Osama bin Barack the anti-christ and the papers still won't cover it because they all hate Jesus because they are the liberal press!

John McCain is the only one that can save us because he fought back again 1000 torturers in Vietnam and saved millions of lives all while not even having a dinner table! And Sarah Palin is actually a re-incarnation of the virgin Mary that will lead us to moral purity and all of the muslims will be cast into hell MCAIN PALIN 08!!!!

There, did I get it right? I think I was too soft. I'll try again later, I need a drink.

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

David - right on. Never give up. We need all of you young people to see the TRUTH! Thank you!

Charles - Nice intelligent come back! I don't have time to toy with you!

Posted by: DRG | September 16, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain love america, but hate americans.

Posted by: brock101 | September 16, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain = Too Damn Old

Posted by: Common Man | September 16, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Paranoid republicans-
The more you listen to Rush, the less sense you make to those of us in the real world.

Posted by: Charles | September 16, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Neither of the candidates have a clue as to how the economy works, why the markets act like they do & even if they did, as President they wouldn't be able to change it. Congress can, but won't & you can count the number in Congress who understand the system on the fingers of one hand.

It's real simple - the "fiat money, fractional reserve banking" system that was created by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 & modified by "states of emergency" including the "Bank Holiday of 1933" is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time & it's mathematically doomed to failure. You can't fix a fundamentally flawed system within that system & you darn sure can't fix it with "bailouts" & by creating more "money" out of thin air.

Congress created the Federal Reserve, which is neither federal nor a reserve; is not a Gov't. agency, never has been & doesn't even claim to be. Congress can also un-create the Fed. Unless they do & take back Congress' constitutional authority to "coin money and regulate the value thereof", the whole system goes down the tubes & there's not a thing in the world any President can do to stop it.

And when it goes, so do the rest of the world's economies - just like dominoes & it doesn't matter whose goes 1st. It'll no doubt be ours though & if you think that "FDIC Insured" sign on your bank's door means anything, the FDIC's "reserve" has dropped below the 1.15% limit. Basically that means there's about a penny on the dollar to cover what you have in the bank. And the reserve is nothing but credit - don't think for one second there's something of real value like gold to back up your dollars. There was until 6 March 1933, but by then it was 40 cents on the dollar & FDR closed the banks to avoid a "run", since back then you could exchange notes @ face value for real gold coin.

What we're seeing now is paper (mortgages, insurance, credit card debt, etc.) not backed up by anything loosing it's "value" overnight. Debt that has been treated as an "asset" but really isn't because so much of it is uncollectable & what is paid is in "money" which has no value of its own. Not tied to any hard asset, "money" is only worth what you can exchange it for & that changes by the minute.

When the U.S. was a manufacturing powerhouse & we produced more than we consumed it was a different ballgame, but now the markets deal more in credit than things which create jobs & profit & we buy things other countries produce. That my friends is a recipe for disaster & again, no President can do anything about it - other than issue "executive orders" like FDR did & make matters worse.

Posted by: Art | September 16, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

There's some interesting spin coming from ol' straight-talker Johnny McCain today considering that he has voted with Bush over 90% of the time the last eight years and that McCain's economic advisor, Phil Gramm, was the biggest player out there in the deregulating of Wall Street.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxXMFW1YsNQ
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Posted by: say what? | September 16, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Whether it's Obama or McCain, life is going to get worse for those living under the USA.

It is unfortunate that the majority have not even a basic understanding of economics, else our scarce resources wouldn't be wasted via the American Idolatry of these pompous fools.

I encourage everyone to consider how important this matter is. Our lives are greatly affected by the outcome of the political process. Being so important, it is critical that we come to the correct conclusion, else the consequences will be disastrous. We should therefore delay our conclusion as long as possible, taking as much time as we can to think about it.

Before cheering for either of these men who boast about having all the answers, consider whether they are really of any use to you after all. Perhaps they're full of hot air and can't really offer you anything but to make matters worse.

Here are a couple of resources for those who desire a deeper understanding of economic fundamentals, in case you want to study for yourself that subject which these men on pedestals claim to know so much about:

(Economics in One Lesson)
http://jim.com/econ/

(Economics for Real People)
http://mises.org/resources/2031


"We are all doing it; very few of us understand what we are doing."
- Goethe

Posted by: Kevin B | September 16, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I thought we were looking for a president?
Not a general or pilot.
Freedom is where the government can enter your home without prior notice. Freedom? Really?
Prosperity? Watched the news lately?
Maybe we should leave healthcare and so to the private sector. You know why? You need intelligent, qualified people to realize things like that. If the only people you have is grandpa and hockey mom then it is maybe wise not to get involved

Posted by: oliver | September 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

to David School of mines.
Good for you for the dialogue.
Don't forget there are some real "dummies" on both sides.

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Tim
so what we want to win at any cost. Thats what we do.

Posted by: chitown | September 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Who ever wrote this:

McCain is amazing....I mean, not only does he know how to capture Bin Laden if elected. He also knows the fundamentals of the economy are strong, despite not knowing how to check his e-mail or properly use "the internet"...AND he created the blackberry and the wheel evidently. All of this and he still has to deal with diaper rash. Poor silly old man.

THANK YOU

I just want to clarify that Mc Cain, invented the original Black Berry " (The Fruit) He used to work for Adam and Eve at the Eden Garden, he use to have a brother called Abel who happens to be the first Democrat, but Mc Cain, says he killed him on self deference.

Please if any body has more news about the Mc Cain biography, don't hide it share with us that information or post it at Wikipedia.com

bye the way McCain is due for restoration next month!!!
Hasta La Vista

Posted by: Mark | September 16, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a liar and in the pockets of lobbyists. He calls himself a Maverick but today, he and his republican party epitomize corruption and cronyism in the US government.

What happened to the Republican party I use to admire, the party of 'fiscal conservatism' the party that championed the 'balanced budget amendment'?!?!

How is it that a guy like Bill Clinton, a guy I can't stand, ended up running the economy better than either Bush presidency?!?!

Posted by: Shawn | September 16, 2008 5:13 PM

Smartest post all day. I miss the days when the Republicans were actual conservatives instead of what they are now: right-wing liberals.

Posted by: scott032 | September 16, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Mccains flying skills are legeendary. When he came toward the carrier everyone suddenly got religion. Kamakaze Mccain.
He hasn't lost his touch. Watch what he does to the ecomomy and the country.
Crash of 09.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow ryan530, you said:

"Wow, the blatant liberal bias here is astounding....

Think of this whole election as if you're hiring someone to pilot your personal jet; Mccain is the guy with a 4-year degree, pilot training AND 10,000 hours of real flight time behind the controls of a 747... Obama, on the other hand, has a really nice graduate degree with 1000 hours of pilot training in a flight simulator, but has no real time in an actual plane.

Which guy do you want flying your jet??"

LOL, your analogy might be interesting except for one little problem; McCain managed to crash FIVE jets, 4 in accidents and 1 in combat during his few years flying for the Navy....I'll try Obama, thanks.

here's a link: http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_mccain_lost_five_u.htm

Posted by: datdamwuf | September 16, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"It boils down to this, America hates whiners, Omamma is the biggest next to Hellery. Every ad that berates his opponent is another shot into his foot. McCain will give us eight more years of:Security, Freedom and Prosperity. Obamma will give us race riots. I cannot wait to see the expolding demokraut heads this November. It will be like the Fourth of July"

Captain America, which America are you living in because the one I'm in is not prosperous at the moment. If you think it is, you must be one of those people with 9 houses, like McCain.

Posted by: Tina | September 16, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

DRG-
Take the foil off of your head, and get back on your medication. If you can't afford medication, you might want to vote democratic next time.

Posted by: Charles | September 16, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

McCain would wack his on mother mafia style to become president.

Posted by: chitown | September 16, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

usa3,
You are so pathetic, don't you remember the lies the current administration kept telling to go to the war at the first place. Don't you know that when Clinton left office there was a $350Billion budget surplus and now we have the record budget deficit. Get your facts right before lamenting. You are not realizing what a disaster it will bring for US if McCain and Palin get elected. I guess you are the type who wants to learn things the hard way.

Posted by: AboutTime | September 16, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Until two months ago, McCain thought Fannie and Freddie were twin hookers he cheated on Cindy with.

Posted by: ByeByeCindy | September 16, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Please. To those discussing taxes: Why is there such as emphasis on tax cuts? The discussion (for my income bracket) boils down to plus or minus less than $2000/year. I could save this much by moving to a different state. My retirement fund and my child's college fund (in broad-market index funds) both went no-where during the last ten years. They are worth no more than the money I put into them, every month, without fail. This did not occur over just the past two years. Mutual fund managers are referring to this as the "lost decade". The stagnation of the value of companies appears to reflect that we are losing ground as an economic superpower. Foreign companies are buying up American companies. Indeed, I would say anything that isn't nailed down is being bought up by foreign interests, but that's not accurate - even things that ARE nailed down, like buildings and real estate are being sold to foreign investors. The long(er) term future of America in the globalized economy looks to me to be a vastly more important issue than whether or not one group or the other gets a bigger tax break. I would be grateful if someone could point out the fallacy in the above and reassure me that tax cuts are the big issue - then it would be clear who to vote for!

Posted by: Eric | September 16, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The end result of all of these bailouts and buyouts is consolidation of wealth and power. To not regulate these activities is foolish. Hasn't anyone else noticed the evershrinking diversity in our markets lately? When BofA owns the entire nation and decides to sell it to China, who will stop them?

Posted by: Confuse us | September 16, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"I love a candidate who hopes
the markets crash and we lose
soldiers in Iraq.
What kind of a f*cked up
american president is that?"

I don't know, usa3, what kind of f*cked up american president is that? I'm hoping that you know, because the idea that Democrats want markets to crash and soldiers to die exists solely in the increasingly-unhinged minds of the extreme right wing.

Posted by: Tim B | September 16, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Think of this whole election as if you're hiring someone to pilot your personal jet; Mccain is the guy with a 4-year degree, pilot training AND 10,000 hours of real flight time behind the controls of a 747... Obama, on the other hand, has a really nice graduate degree with 1000 hours of pilot training in a flight simulator, but has no real time in an actual plane.

Which guy do you want flying your jet??

You are kidding right?..I'll take the person who hasn't crashed 5 jets everytime...President Obama. Now, more than ever! God Bless America

Posted by: Common Man | September 16, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Where 2100 people were gathered"

I am a Colorado School of Mines Student. He spoke in my rec center. I have 15 friends that won tickets to it and were in there shaking their heads. We had over forty protesters ditching our classes out there, and the supporters for Obama were some of the most ridiculous people you will ever meet.

One of them came across the street to try and argue with a "more drilling" sign held by a petroleum engineer, and he said "YOU IGNORANT KIDS! WE NEED TO STOP OUR DEPENDENCE ON OIL, STOP DRILLING, AND TURN TO NATURAL GAS!" Hey, einstein, guess what? Natural gas has to be drilled for too!

Then we had a guy in a "Investigate 9/11" Sweat-shirt, who tried to convince us all that the government is in a conspiracy against us.

Then we had the old lady who yelled at us saying that we don't know anything about thermodynamics and that the world is going to fall to global warming... ya lady, we are in one of the top engineering schools in the country but we don't know anything about general science.

This ignorance, show of lack of education and common sense really puts a bad light on democrats, and makes me fear for what our country is made up of if they honestly are so ridiculous that they think natural gas comes without drilling and that 9/11 was a conspiracy.

We also were only allowed 150 tickets for students, in OUR OWN rec-center. Of those 150 a good number are voting for McCain. Stop falsely showing that educated people of CSM are voting for Obama, because the majority of people there don't even know the difference between natural gas and and gasoline. Seriously.

I will say that there is still some hope. I did have a conversation with an older man who was a conservative democrat. While supporting Obama over McCain he did at least talk with common sense. We agreed that there are too many issues that both candidates suck at catering to, but that for him, Obama, and for me, McCain, does slightly better in the long run.

This election will test us all. It's time to stop bickering amongst eachother and start compromising and working together for this countries future. But ignorance and profane remarks made by the majority of the people waiting to get in to Lockridge Arena today are nothing but hampers to progress. Get educated. Stop being naive. Stop making stupid crap up, on both sides of the issue, and start using your heads America!

God Bless America!

And down with the biased media to be honest, on both sides!

Posted by: David | September 16, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a liar and in the pockets of lobbyists. He calls himself a Maverick but today, he and his republican party epitomize corruption and cronyism in the US government.

What happened to the Republican party I use to admire, the party of 'fiscal conservatism' the party that championed the 'balanced budget amendment'?!?!

How is it that a guy like Bill Clinton, a guy I can't stand, ended up running the economy better than either Bush presidency?!?!

Posted by: Shawn | September 16, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey, you can't blame McCain for wanting to sleep with Sarah. She's a drastic improvement over Phil Gramm!

Posted by: AC/DCMcCain | September 16, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Obamma=America hater
McCain= Security, Freedom, Prosperity.
Remember DIMS you need to keep it simple stupid. Maybe some of the brillance here could do a better job instead of being treasonists.

Posted by: ShoeFitsWearIt | September 16, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Go Rachel!!! The libs say Obama would never sanction infanticide but that is exactly what his r votes cast against medical care did!

I think we need to discover a new country for our Comrades, errrrrrr..... Obama supporters. They can liove with rules and laws that are in direct conflict with our entire constitution.

Their govt can run everything, control everything, decide everything, they can have Obama's redistribution of wealth and live happily ever after. We'll call it something like .... CHINA OR RUSSIA!

They'll be right at home! Maybe Rev Wright who so hates the US will join him. Maybe Ayers, too.

they all deserve each other! Let's pass the hat and take a collection!

Posted by: DRG | September 16, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

What's the first thing McCain says in the morning? Looking in the mirror, he says, "my John, you're looking honorable today." What's the second thing he says? Looking in his bed, "Sarah, get out of bed and get your clothes on, we have some campaigning to do."

Posted by: Oh!John!DoThatAgain! | September 16, 2008 5:09 PM


---hahaahahaha

FAMILY VALUES....get out the vote all you single issue chumps.

I'll not be donating to the food drive for you schmucks.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

When Crash McCain, Failin' Palin and their friends finish gang raping the economy, they'll expect the economy to pay out of its own pocket for the rape evidence kit.

Posted by: Charles | September 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

obe1

McCain really feel your pain. Just because he have nine luxury homes, and spends $300,000 a year for servants he really understand want the average american is going thru. He was a
P.O. freaking W.......

Posted by: brock101 | September 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a blow hard!There is no way he can do what he has promised the American people and he has no intention of doing it. Any idiot knows that congress controls 99% of the things Obama talks about, not the president. It's the same old democratic bulls--t. Promise them everything, deliver nothing. If you've got a welfare, government handout mentality, you'll love the democrats. But, isn't it time to look out for yourself, instead of expecting the government to bail you out. So you lost you job, find another. You lost your house because of poor planning on your part, start over a buy another. In short get off your duffs and do something about your own life. If you would all do that, you won't have to sit a complain about the political rhetoric of either party. We have national liars running for office. As long as the government can keep you dependent on them, then they can manipulate your votes. Make a democrat a silly promise, you have no intention of fulfilling and you win their vote. Grow up and be a reasoned, self determined individual who will make it even if the government fails. We need more pioneers and a whole lot less whiners.

Posted by: Jerry | September 16, 2008 5:09 PM


........................................................


100% untrue. Congress can only pass laws. The executive is responsible for implementing them and creating regulations to do so.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain = Corporate Welfare

Posted by: Common Man | September 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

It boils down to this, America hates whiners, Omamma is the biggest next to Hellery. Every ad that berates his opponent is another shot into his foot. McCain will give us eight more years of:Security, Freedom and Prosperity. Obamma will give us race riots. I cannot wait to see the expolding demokraut heads this November. It will be like the Fourth of July

Posted by: CaptainAmerica | September 16, 2008 5:01 PM

McCain is whining about speculators. Does not know what to do Does not know whether there is a crisis or not. Can't get Phil Gramm on the phone to tell him what to think.

You mock Obama but your candidate is failing under pressure and that is not the sign of a leader

Posted by: Ronnn | September 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain will shake up Washington much in the same way as would your Great Grandpa were he to, upon release from a nursing home, enter the women's locker room at a local high school with his weenie in his hand.

Posted by: Christopher London | September 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Rachel, that "record high" was barely above where the market was before Bush was elected. it took the market 7 years to climb back to where Clinton had it. By traditional expectations, we should have doubled Clinton's number by now. Bush may leave office after eight years with the Dow lower than when he took office. That is a nearly unprecedented, downright Hooverish accomplishment. You clearly know nothing about the markets.

Posted by: Nomo Stew | September 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the blatant liberal bias here is astounding....

Think of this whole election as if you're hiring someone to pilot your personal jet; Mccain is the guy with a 4-year degree, pilot training AND 10,000 hours of real flight time behind the controls of a 747... Obama, on the other hand, has a really nice graduate degree with 1000 hours of pilot training in a flight simulator, but has no real time in an actual plane.

Which guy do you want flying your jet??
___________________________

Considering McCain's flight record, this may not have been the wisest analogy

Posted by: Doug | September 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Whiteman repubicans love to spend money on welfare more than you think - the last 8 years are an example of it. You have people recieving large amounts of money and they do not produce a thing- in fact they are criminals with a sense of entitlement. I HAVE TO SAY THE WELFARE POEPLE HAVE BEEN OUT AND ABOUT -did you see the republican convention?

Posted by: Chris | September 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I love it!!!!! The right wing is foaming at the mouth as the market corrects itself and blame gov't for unchecked greed and shoddy business practices.

Must be the same cretins who blamed Katrina on the gays.

Posted by: Mike | September 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

CaptainAmeric= Racist Nazi

Posted by: ProudLiberal | September 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I just love to hear BO talk about being the solution to our problems. If he is the one, then within the next 60 days while acting as a Senator in the DO NOTHING congress, solve this financial problem. If he is as good as he claims, solve the problem, instead of giving bad speeches every day. I haven't heard a word about how to SOLVE this financial problem from BO. If there is no BO solution within the next 60 days, then it just proves HIS capabilities, which are zero, just like the rest of the Democratic Congress.

Posted by: RDodge | September 16, 2008 5:08 PM

...and you are suggesting that these measures would get past the Republican President's veto pen how?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama has hired the two men who ran Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into the ground. Franlin Raines and James Johnson. Both of whom walked away with millions after running the companies into bankruptcy.

These two men now are financial advisers to Obama. I wouldn't trust Obama on any financial matters while these two men "advise" him.

Posted by: Kurt C. | September 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

What's the first thing McCain says in the morning? Looking in the mirror, he says, "my John, you're looking honorable today." What's the second thing he says? Looking in his bed, "Sarah, get out of bed and get your clothes on, we have some campaigning to do."

Posted by: Oh!John!DoThatAgain! | September 16, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a blow hard!There is no way he can do what he has promised the American people and he has no intention of doing it. Any idiot knows that congress controls 99% of the things Obama talks about, not the president. It's the same old democratic bulls--t. Promise them everything, deliver nothing. If you've got a welfare, government handout mentality, you'll love the democrats. But, isn't it time to look out for yourself, instead of expecting the government to bail you out. So you lost you job, find another. You lost your house because of poor planning on your part, start over a buy another. In short get off your duffs and do something about your own life. If you would all do that, you won't have to sit a complain about the political rhetoric of either party. We have national liars running for office. As long as the government can keep you dependent on them, then they can manipulate your votes. Make a democrat a silly promise, you have no intention of fulfilling and you win their vote. Grow up and be a reasoned, self determined individual who will make it even if the government fails. We need more pioneers and a whole lot less whiners.

Posted by: Jerry | September 16, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN = WORSE than Bush

Posted by: Pax | September 16, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans are for smaller government."

Congress and the Presidency were controlled by the Republicans completely for four years. No decrease in government size, spending, or control over our lives was seen. Quite the opposite happened. The government now spies on its citizens with wild abandon completely trashing the 5th amendment, we're look at a half trillion budgetary shortfall in '09, and we've got a bigger beast than ever. They only give lip service to the smaller government line.

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 5:06 PM

Actually, the current administrative have overseen the greatest expansion in government since the New Deal (yes, THAT New Deal...the one's that the Republicans claimed ruined the nation by creating a "welfare state")

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I just love to hear BO talk about being the solution to our problems. If he is the one, then within the next 60 days while acting as a Senator in the DO NOTHING congress, solve this financial problem. If he is as good as he claims, solve the problem, instead of giving bad speeches every day. I haven't heard a word about how to SOLVE this financial problem from BO. If there is no BO solution within the next 60 days, then it just proves HIS capabilities, which are zero, just like the rest of the Democratic Congress.

Posted by: RDodge | September 16, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Do you know what is scariest about Palin?
That McCain is old, and Palin can be Karl Rove's and Dick Cheney's puppet, like Bush is. That's why they got Palin. She's too ignorant to know what to do if Rove and Cheney are there as senior advisors.

Posted by: Nkirv | September 16, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues," McCain told the paper's Steve Moore in 2005. "I still need to be educated."

And he cant even remember how many homes he owns! McCain is not in our league. He knows nothing about the average man....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain back tracked and said the fundamentals of our economy is strong because of the workers. He voted 19 times against raising the minimum wage.

Posted by: chica | September 16, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The engine driving the current financial disaster is the sub prime debacle and that had its origins in the Clinton administration.

Posted by: DC | September 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Did you count the jet that hit the power lines?

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

And allowing the Government to take over and decide how the private sector should run will help the situation? Last i checked everything the gov. does just messes things up more. The less gov. the better!

This mess now has nothing to do with bush's tax cuts. In fact as people seem to have forgotten, up until around 2006 the stock market kept breaking record highs every day, but it was barely covered in the news, and unemployment was at an all time low! That was five years into Bush's presidency and that was after the devastation of 9/11.

Wealth creates wealth. It is the wealthy that own business and hires people thus raising the employment rate!

The dems just love playing on people's fear and sorrows, the worst off America is the better for them, that's how they gain power, by playing big brother and making people reliant on them.

Posted by: Rachel | September 16, 2008 4:50 PM

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Not to eliminate your record highs paragraph, but I think we both know right now how those highs were obtained. Now the time has come to back back the lending on the stock ticker as well.....

Your first paragraph is the most paranoid hogwash seen all day on these boards. I suggest you start drowning other things in bathtubs and leave gov't alone to protect our borders and protect the public against grievously foolish robber barons. In the endless quest to destroy gov't repubs have taken all the safeguards away to keep our currency stable and belief in the market afloat.

You remove the safeguards and you see the craven free market "champions" begging for handouts and insured buyouts from guess who? Big brother gov't, that's who! It's sickening......

Bush tax cuts have been proven a failure and just as the 20's we see wealth does not trickle down; it gets handed down.

As for dems playing on the fears of the public. That's so ignorant it doesn't dignify more than these two sentences.

Posted by: Mike | September 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

What mess is Obama talking about? You mean what's going on on Wall Street?

Since most of that problem was caused by government interference to start with Obama wants to "Cure" it by more government interference. Crikey!

Leave Wall Street alone. Let them sort it out. It's a normal business cycle and it's only made worse when the Fed sticks their nose into it. All you FDR fans, try actually studying the history of the great depression. It was FDR's progressive fixes that made it worse and prolonged it. Don't let it happen again.

Posted by: Jesse | September 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

to Skip it all
I don't hate you. Good point!

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I am a long time Republican soccer mom and I am going to vote for OBAMA! I am tired of the lies and corruption of the last 8 years.

Republicans for OBAMA 08!

Posted by: Sara | September 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans are for smaller government."

Congress and the Presidency were controlled by the Republicans completely for four years. No decrease in government size, spending, or control over our lives was seen. Quite the opposite happened. The government now spies on its citizens with wild abandon completely trashing the 5th amendment, we're look at a half trillion budgetary shortfall in '09, and we've got a bigger beast than ever. They only give lip service to the smaller government line.

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama really understands economics and political change. His 1.6 million dollar home is a goog example.

Look up the ARC triangle. Affinity, Reality, and communication are at the points of the triangle. Build any two and the third has to follow.

Obama is what he is. A figment of the media reality.

Posted by: Obe1 | September 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Ollie 4:52-- " Too bad the ignorant idealogues lambasting Bush don't know that Sen Dodd and Rep Frank, Dem chairs of respective banking and financial services committes, are the ones with authority to regulate Wall Street and the financial industry. The President, any President, can do nothing but pontificate like Obama."
Yep, Dodd and Frank have been chairs for the past 19 months-- any efforts they put forth towards reform have been stymied by Bush or his lackeys in Congress, who can easily stop reform with slim margins in both Houses. A President sets the agenda, they decide what is or is not important-- obviously, Bush did not think regulating the markets was a priority-- he thought they could/would take care of themselves. Electing McCain would ensure the continuation this hands-off policy. What we need are better margins in the House and Senate so a President Obama can actually get some reform accomplished. God Bless America!

Posted by: Buckeye Joe | September 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Why do these issues have to be political issues. It's obvious that this isn't a dem vs republican issue.

Posted by: chris c | September 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom? Lipstick (we already know that). What's the difference between John McCain and a clueless idiot zombie? NOTHING!

Posted by: CindyOnceIHaveSarahI'llDumpYouToo | September 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama claims he is for the little people and those who are unable to fend for themselves.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. Barack can talk all he wants but anyone, anyone who would appose a law that would ban the practice of leaving infants who survived murder attempts by their own mother and doctors to DIE is not someone who defends the weak and helpless. He supports the powerful, in this case the mother.

THIS IS SICKNESS, and there are those who would want such a person to run this great country?

You see,infants cannot grant him power, (the mothers can) but the "little people" people who can vote and who will increase his power by depending on him and his cronies in the government to help them and save them from all of life's difficulties are worth defending. The double standards is sickening!

Posted by: Rachel | September 16, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

It boils down to this, America hates whiners, Omamma is the biggest next to Hellery. Every ad that berates his opponent is another shot into his foot. McCain will give us eight more years of:Security, Freedom and Prosperity. Obamma will give us race riots. I cannot wait to see the expolding demokraut heads this November. It will be like the Fourth of July

Posted by: CaptainAmerica | September 16, 2008 5:01 PM

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Right-wing garbage. You're honestly going to spout this nonsense after trying to feign a good whine about the lipstick on a pig comment? Get this right-wing nuts some cheese to go with their whine...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the ignorant idealogues lambasting Bush don't know that Sen Dodd and Rep Frank, Dem chairs of respective banking and financial services committes, are the ones with authority to regulate Wall Street and the financial industry. The President, any President, can do nothing but pontificate like Obama. While Congress has had plenty of time to investigate major league baseball and windfall oil profits, isn't it revealing that no hearings have been held on this mess. And I would bet a large sum that no hearings will be held before elections.

Posted by: Oliver Moore | September 16, 2008 4:52 PM

This may be true, I do not know but what you are doing is blaming What we need now is leadership and John McCain does not know what to do. Yesterday he did not even know there was a crisis after the market was open and the Dow was down by 300.

Bush blamed the insurgents and the islamofascists but he never blamed Donald Rumsfeld and himself for his failure in Iraq. Blaming is like whining it is for losers

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 16, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Hello,
We are in a country , where close to 50 % peoplke still thinks that last 8 years of the current government is good and we need the same parties rule. That show that the same people who shout in loud voice about patritisam, thinks that even the country gos to dog, they will support their own party, who put this country into this whole......what guarantee that the republican candidate who goes along with the current administration most of the time gives us that they will do the necessory change...what we need. If I am person who loves this country tries something else..... People who really love this country....please do not vote for Republican. Eventhough Obama do not have years of experience...but still he brings some new perspective.... I will take that...

PEOPLE.........THINK ......AANALYSE...THEN..


VOTE for the best option for the country...not for your Party...and ideology for once.....!

Posted by: edison _indian | September 16, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama already was on top of economic issues back in March. See his address at the Cooper Union in New York City, March 27, 2008:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/us/politics/27text-obama.html?pagewanted=print

His audience includes Bloomberg and a lot of Wall Street people, and he's already describing the situation we see now -- and his solutions. He has both a scholar's and a politician's understanding of the economics of our country, from both historical and pragmatic viewpoints.
McCain just doesn't have the mental training to understand these things -- he was an ex-army private from a rich family, and even after 26 years in the Senate, he has only a vague idea about market economics. That is the sad and awful misconception of Republicans that "free market" means every man for himself and let the buyer beware. A working market that doesn't constantly bubble and burst is one with rules to ensure fairness and transparency. McCain doesn't really understand this.

Posted by: Nkirv | September 16, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Oliver. Reps have been in control of the legislature for 12 of the last 14 years, and those last two years Dems have had bare majorities that could not overturn a veto. Nobody was going to get new financial requlations past the Bush veto, and you know that. So if it's the leg to blame, it's Reps' fault, too.

Reps have had control of both branches - what you need to actually do something - for 6 of the last 12 years, Dems for 0. You have to go back 14 years to find Dems in the same position of dual control - which brief period, by the way, was followed by the greatest prosperity in the history of the earth. In the last 28 years, we have 2 years of Dem dual control vs at least 12 Reps. There is no debate who got their positions in place, who wanted deregulation and tax cuts that we could not afford. And now you deny what you so loudly demanded and got? I thought elephants were supposed to have good memories.

Posted by: Nomo Stew | September 16, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Sarah palin is an energy expert? 5 schools in 6 years. I would like to see her transcript. I think McCain will live to regret this pick. Romney would have solidified the ticket during these economy crisis we face.

Posted by: Brock101 | September 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Why, exactly, are you all arguing about the presidential candidates here? Argue with people who might change their opinions. If someone is arguing with someone else, this indicates they believe something.

Beliefs don't change as often as you think, people.

We're all one country, can't we agree on something?

Go ahead, hate me.

Posted by: SkipItAll | September 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse


As soon as Obama pardons me, I will become the new economics chief and start implementing the same policies that make Chicago the greatest city in the world.

Posted by: Tony Rezko | September 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Ha! McCain will shake up Washington. By creating a commission to investigate the obvious, thereby expanding the bureacracy. Priceless.

Posted by: McCainTheFuuckin'Idiot | September 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The economy is very sick. Dr. Phil Gramms prescription ,if Mccain is elected , will be more of the Bush doctrine on economy-Heh, Heh, what debt? its only on paper.

All unemployed, foreclosed families, homeless and democrats will be designated as chronic whiners and sent away for retraining.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Swing voters are pathetic.

They are the people who put our current idiot into office.

There is a pretty vivid contrast between the two nominee's

and there is a ton of excellent resources on the internet to gather information about the two canidates.

I'm not saying to vote for one over the other. Just do some freaking research instead of reading blogs.

You can actually look up a canidates voting records...their purposals. Hell even probably boxers or breifs...or thongs.

and if you cannot handle the responsability of doing a little research...then you should probably stay home on November 4 instead of pretending the voting both is a slot machine.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

It boils down to this, America hates whiners, Omamma is the biggest next to Hellery. Every ad that berates his opponent is another shot into his foot. McCain will give us eight more years of:Security, Freedom and Prosperity. Obamma will give us race riots. I cannot wait to see the expolding demokraut heads this November. It will be like the Fourth of July

Posted by: CaptainAmerica | September 16, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I want the guy flying my jet who didn't already crash 2 of them:)

Posted by: monkeybacon | September 16, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Mike, get YOUR facts right before you start hurling insults. One of McCain's aids made the Blackberry statement. Granted, it was likely made in jest, but your crack about the welfare class is why people with class find staunch supporters of McCain such as yourself so thoroughly distatesful.

Posted by: DemsdeBreaks | September 16, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Here's an idea, the Rs hate the Ds; and the Ds hate the Rs. We shouldn't anticipate any type of unity after Jan 09. Let's separate.

Posted by: Toby | September 16, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

hey ryan530:

Using planes is a bad analogy for McCain supporter. I'd want the guy who has never bailed from an airplane!

Posted by: jankyjo | September 16, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

John"Crash"McCain a pilot?

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Mccain still insists on "Runnin' With The Devil" Van Palin.

Posted by: kaw kaay shion | September 16, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Two things that can be said about McCain: 1. He served his country honorably in war. 2. As president he would be a freakin' disaster.

Posted by: Honest?John | September 16, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"LOL, Clinton started this mess when he deregulated the banking industry via the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, overturning the Glass-Steagall Act !!!!"

That was passed by Repulican Congress in November 1999 after the election, sponsored by McCain advisor Phil Grammm. Legislation is made by congress not the President. Deregulation is a Republican mantra. Try again.

Posted by: Doug | September 16, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Here you go folks... The Obama vs McCain tax rates from CNN website... you decide...

MCCAIN OBAMA
Income Avg. tax Avg. tax

Over $2.9M -$269,364 +$701,885
$603K and up -$45,361 +$115,974
$227K-$603K -$7,871 +$12
$161K-$227K -$4,380 -$2,789
$112K-$161K -$2,614 -$2,204
$66K-$112K -$1,009 -$1,290
$38K-$66K -$319 -$1,042
$19K-$38K -$113 -$892
Under $19K -$19 -$567

Posted by: tax chart for Obama and McCain | September 16, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Simon says and Usa3
"brave" and "defenders" of the free
poli-psyche spin don't tread on me
We heard this all before
8 freakin' years and four score
Red or Blue, black and white "WAR,WAR,WAR"
Amongst us
who can we trust
to get us off this bus?
All the hate and anger
No relief from the Congressional chambers
Financial picture looks bleak and in danger
call in the rangers
Im not waiting for the "ass" or the "pachyderms"
it will be another 4year term
bought and sold
democracy rings hallow and cold
So instead of defending the "righteous"
stop driving and making a blog fuss
walk your phat a**
or take the bus
yeah, I'm mad as hell
forclosures, unemployment, and robberies are sky high, or you can't tell?
But all you see is bleu' versus red; and red versus blue
blogging is all you do...
While I and my peeps beatdown the creeps that are stealing us blind in our sleep...

Posted by: Mac Tremor HWD | September 16, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

And allowing the Government to take over and decide how the private sector should run will help the situation? Last i checked everything the gov. does just messes things up more. The less gov. the better!
Posted by: Rachel | September 16, 2008 4:48 PM

Well this financial crisis comes from no government regulation. If you like no regulation then you'll like this crisis. John McCain whines about speculators but speculate in an unregulated market is all they did.

The thing that is disgusting is that McCain is whining. It is not becoming a leader. But then he is not a leader because he wants a commission to handle the problem that he does not know what to do. If he were president and tried that, the first thing the commission should suggest is resign because you just do not cut it.

Posted by: Ronnn | September 16, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

A commission to study the problem? What a joke!!!! Give me a break!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the ignorant idealogues lambasting Bush don't know that Sen Dodd and Rep Frank, Dem chairs of respective banking and financial services committes, are the ones with authority to regulate Wall Street and the financial industry. The President, any President, can do nothing but pontificate like Obama. While Congress has had plenty of time to investigate major league baseball and windfall oil profits, isn't it revealing that no hearings have been held on this mess. And I would bet a large sum that no hearings will be held before elections.

Posted by: Oliver Moore | September 16, 2008 4:52 PM

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WOW!!! Someone trying to say a Congressional Committee has the power to regulate! Either this fool doesn't know government or he's an f'ing liar. The executive branch passes regaulations, not Congress. Congress can only pass laws, and can only do that if they are signed by the President. My Lord in heaven, save us from the liars!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain's idea of having a commission look into this Wall Street mess is a bad one. The reasons it happened are obvious, no commission is needed. McCain blames greed, and that is true. However, it is greed that McCain and others for two decades have encouraged and failed to regulate. McCain wants to privatize Social Security into the hands of the very culprits of this mess. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. McCain has helped stand watch over a smouldering fire for 20 years, throwing a little lighter fluid on it every now and then. Now thatthe fire has ignited into a conflagration, McCain's cries of "I am the one who will put a stop to this" ring hollow.

Posted by: Phil Gramm | September 16, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Rachel, just because the stock market hit record highs 2 years ago under bush says nothing about economic health. It was a symptom of a bubble. Inflated earnings and leveraging with derivatives, based on the housing bubble, and CDS. Its nothing I could understand in detail, but here is the point... those were artifically high prices doomed to correction. Now prices are correcting, we see the reality of the situation. Guess what, unemployment is still going up and now theres no more false security in the markets to distract you from this fact. FNM / FRE mbs were top rated 2 years ago! What a lie that turned out to be and who's holding the bag now? Lets tax the richest of the rich who probably made 10x more than the proposed tax hike during the bush years.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse


Obama advisor's include Franklin Raines who stole tens of millions from Fannie Mae while cooking the books by billions of dollars.

Add in his other crooked advisors like Jim Johnson, Jamie Gorelick, Rahm Emanuel, you have the makings of a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.

Obama wants to the new mob boss of America.

Posted by: Fannie Mae Obama | September 16, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Remember the McCain camp said it's not about the issues. Don't be upset when he ignore the issues when he bemcome president.


Obama/Biden2008

Posted by: brock101 | September 16, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

None of you seem to understand that Obama stands for larger government which eventually means fewer rights. Where can I find facts that are not politically biased? Surely not from our politically driven media outlets! What makes any of you entitlement democrats think that the taxes won't hit you? If you tax corporations or the very rich who employ most of the middle class what do you really think will happen? Bottom line is bi-partisan politics is not what is needed here! Neither side is coming up with new ideas. Republicans are for smaller government. Democrats are for taxing and spending on social programs. The same social programs that take the majority of your current tax dollars. Adding mor government run social programs helps how? Social Programs run and managed by politicians (sounds bad if you say it out loud doesn't it). We need changes, but not more government. That will not fix anything, but set us up for failure later. Put term limits on all public servants a.k.a. politicians. Don't allow them to retire as a public servant. Then we won't have to pay for their retirements. What is killing this country is greed. The government can not legislate moral behavior. Hopefully the next generations will understand the benefit of the class structure and not want everthing for themselves.

Posted by: ma | September 16, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Rachel, the Republican plan to make us all richer by making the richer richer and giving huge tax breaks to big corporations and special interests isn't working. The 1960s and financial plans that would work then are over.

The Republicans had their 8 years, and the country has gone to the dogs. (Er, it's actually gone to China and Southeast Asia, for the most part.) Enough is enough. I'm voting for the guy who isn't shouting "Change" just because it polls well. And I'm not going to vote for the guy who is lying to my face even when he's been told we know the truth. Talk about a Bush / Cheney replay. And Palin? Puhlease. Thanks, but no thanks.

Posted by: DemsdeBreaks | September 16, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

IF YOU DO NOT REALIZE THE CURRENT TAXES CUTS CANNOT BE SUSTAINED AND THAT MCCAINS CUTTING OF $50 MILLION IN EAR MARKS (HELPING TEXAS, LA, IL, ETC) W/O INCREASING TAXES IS GOING TO MAKE A DENT INTO THE $4 TRILLION DOLLAR SHORTFALL YOU ARE NOT A RATIONAL THINKER AND ARE ONLY SUPPORTING MCCAIN BECAUSE HE'S WHITE (JUST MY GUESS BECAUSE I'M WHITE AND SEE THROUGH HIS RNC FULLED DECEPTION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE). THOSE ON THIS BLOG ASKING WHAT HAS OBAMA SAID "IN DETAIL" HE WILL DO ARE SIMPLY TOO LAZY TO DO THEIR RESEARCH. IF YOU COMPARE BOTH PLANS YOURSELF AND STOP HAVING SOMEONE FEED YOU THE INFORMATION YOU'LL FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF WHO'S IS BETTER AS A VAST MAJORITY OF "INDEPENDENT" ECONOMISTS AGREE OBAMA'S PLAN WILL HAVE A FAR GREATER IMPACT ON RESTORING THIS COUNTRY TO WHERE IT ONCE WAS THEN MCCAINS EVER WILL- SIMPLE TRUTH SORRY TO SAY. NOTICE THE WORDS "THIS COUNTRY" NOT YOUR POCKET BOOK. THAT'S THE SHORT SIDEDNESS OF MCCAIN, HE DOES NOT LOOK AT LONG TERM NATIONAL SCALE LIKE OBAMA DOES, YES SOME OF YOU WILL HAVE TO SACRIFICE BUT MOST OF YOU WILL BENEFIT, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE AND THAT'S THE KIND OF LEADER WE NEED! DO YOUR DAMN HOMEWORK PEOPLE AND STOP BEING SO IGNORANT...

Posted by: white male voter | September 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow it looks like the welfare class has finally gotten out of bed and started blogging. BTW, McCain never stated that he invented the blackberry, it was some lefty reporters interpretation of a communication bill past 2 years ago.
Get you facts right and get a job for c~sake.

Posted by: Mike | September 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The only gripe I have with the Democrats in the current Congress is they did not impeach Bush, that is all. The Congress is not currently Democrat, it is split by one seat, that is not a majority. A majority is when you have enough votes to completely over rule the other side which the Democrats have not been able to do with the insufficient number of seats they were saddled with after the mid terms. Literally every Republican has voted in lock step with Bush for the last 8 years while President Idiot vetoes everything the Democrats do to try and fix what is broken. The term "Democratic Congress" is currently a myth in the Congress' current state. After November when the Republicans in Congress and Senate all get voted out and the Democrats actually have a real majority, they will be able to get something done, unless of course the stupid and ugliest of Americans vote McCain in. Then we will have something very similar to what we have now, another 4 more years of degradation and destruction of American life and our economy. The choice is yours America, more of the same or a turn in a completely new and improved direction with Obama and Biden in power.

Posted by: Democrats 08 | September 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain paralyzed under pressure? I see... real war experience and age = obvious paralysis. What we need is a lawyer who can talk his way out of anything. That will help.

Democrat-controlling-market made highs in economy? I don't think so. The economy takes years to grow. If it was high DURING a liberal/democrat presidency, that probably means the good changes happened before that presidency. The economy of a large country doesn't change in even a few years.

And I like how this current market dilemma is one of the worst ever. Just like the last one, which was about a week ago. Just like the spike in oil prices. Oh look... oil is under $95/barrel, the DOW went back up higher than it was at the end of Clinton's presidency. But nobody wants to report that; good news is no news, especially if you have a presidency to win; ignore the good, hype what bad you can find, and make up the rest and hope nobody notices...

Posted by: Election2008 | September 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the blatant liberal bias here is astounding....

Think of this whole election as if you're hiring someone to pilot your personal jet; Mccain is the guy with a 4-year degree, pilot training AND 10,000 hours of real flight time behind the controls of a 747... Obama, on the other hand, has a really nice graduate degree with 1000 hours of pilot training in a flight simulator, but has no real time in an actual plane.

Which guy do you want flying your jet??


Posted by: ryan530 | September 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

When will Americans realize that John McCain is too old, to mentally ill, emotionally unstable and physically ill to be President of the United States? If you vote for McCain, you will be in effect voting for President Sarah Palin, because she will be taking over very early on. The Neocon Trojan Horse John McCain is flying his last mission. May he get shot down just as quickly as he did in Vietnam and sent home in a political bodybag to spend the remainder of his years staring glassy eyed off into space from his ranch in Sedona.John McCain's has a long history of mental illness and emotional instability. The evidence is out there for all to see. All of the medications that McCain is on for a multitude of ailments makes him a working mess. he Neocon's operating the McCain Campaign just need their Frankenstein Monster to make it through 7 more weeks and then they have their Zombie Neocon Stepford Wife to stand in for McCain while Karl Rove tells her what to do.

Posted by: Christopher London | September 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Excerpts from Sen.Obama's speech:

Over the last few days, we have seen clearly what’s at stake in this election. The news from Wall Street has shaken the American people’s faith in our economy. The situation with Lehman Brothers and other financial institutions is the latest in a wave of crises that have generated tremendous uncertainty about the future of our financial markets. This is a major threat to our economy and its ability to create good-paying jobs and help working Americans pay their bills, save for their future, and make their mortgage payments.

Since this turmoil began over a year ago, the housing market has collapsed. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had to be effectively taken over by the government. Three of America’s five largest investment banks failed or have been sold off in distress. Yesterday, Wall Street suffered its worst losses since just after 9/11. We are in the most serious financial crisis in generations. Yet Senator McCain stood up yesterday and said that the fundamentals of the economy are strong.

...So let’s be clear: what we’ve seen the last few days is nothing less than the final verdict on an economic philosophy that has completely failed. And I am running for President of the United States because the dreams of the American people must not be endangered any more. It’s time to put an end to a broken system in Washington that is breaking the American economy. It’s time for change that makes a real difference in your lives.

...Make no mistake: my opponent is running for four more years of policies that will throw the economy further out of balance. His outrage at Wall Street would be more convincing if he wasn’t offering them more tax cuts. His call for fiscal responsibility would be believable if he wasn’t for more tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and more of a trillion dollar war in Iraq paid for with deficit spending and borrowing from foreign creditors like China. His newfound support for regulation bears no resemblance to his scornful attitude towards oversight and enforcement. John McCain cannot be trusted to reestablish proper oversight of our financial markets for one simple reason: he has shown time and again that he does not believe in it.

What has happened these last eight years is not some historical anomaly, so we know what to expect if we try these policies for another four. When lobbyists run your campaign, the special interests end up gaming the system. When the White House is hostile to any kind of oversight, corporations cut corners and consumers pay the price. When regulators are chosen for their disdain for regulation and we gut their ability to enforce the law, then the interests of the American people are not protected. It’s an ideology that intentionally breeds incompetence in Washington and irresponsibility on Wall Street, and it’s time to turn the page.

Just today, Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book – you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem. But here’s the thing ... we know how we got into this mess. What we need now is leadership that gets us out. I’ll provide it, John McCain won’t, and that’s the choice for the American people in this election.

Posted by: Becky CA | September 16, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

OMG- 9 Trillion National debt, 500 Billion Budget deficit, Huge trade deficit. America is broke. Like an irresponsible teenager with a credit card...our "distinguished" leaders cannot manage the nation and spend our hard earned taxpayer dollars responsibly. Shame on all Politicians. YOU SOLD US OUT. YOU BANKRUPTED THE UNITED STATES YOU BUNCH OF SNAKES. It is so damned frustrating trying to make a living in this country...trying to simply live. Now...I am sitting here watching presidential candidates blatantly LIE. Even when the lies are exposed by objective sources, McSame and Palin continue to LIE. God help us all. OBAMA-BIDEN 2008

Posted by: Rob | September 16, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

For the independents out there: Here is an excerpt from Sen.Obama's speech:

Over the last few days, we have seen clearly what’s at stake in this election. The news from Wall Street has shaken the American people’s faith in our economy. The situation with Lehman Brothers and other financial institutions is the latest in a wave of crises that have generated tremendous uncertainty about the future of our financial markets. This is a major threat to our economy and its ability to create good-paying jobs and help working Americans pay their bills, save for their future, and make their mortgage payments.

Since this turmoil began over a year ago, the housing market has collapsed. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had to be effectively taken over by the government. Three of America’s five largest investment banks failed or have been sold off in distress. Yesterday, Wall Street suffered its worst losses since just after 9/11. We are in the most serious financial crisis in generations. Yet Senator McCain stood up yesterday and said that the fundamentals of the economy are strong.

...So let’s be clear: what we’ve seen the last few days is nothing less than the final verdict on an economic philosophy that has completely failed. And I am running for President of the United States because the dreams of the American people must not be endangered any more. It’s time to put an end to a broken system in Washington that is breaking the American economy. It’s time for change that makes a real difference in your lives.

...Make no mistake: my opponent is running for four more years of policies that will throw the economy further out of balance. His outrage at Wall Street would be more convincing if he wasn’t offering them more tax cuts. His call for fiscal responsibility would be believable if he wasn’t for more tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and more of a trillion dollar war in Iraq paid for with deficit spending and borrowing from foreign creditors like China. His newfound support for regulation bears no resemblance to his scornful attitude towards oversight and enforcement. John McCain cannot be trusted to reestablish proper oversight of our financial markets for one simple reason: he has shown time and again that he does not believe in it.

What has happened these last eight years is not some historical anomaly, so we know what to expect if we try these policies for another four. When lobbyists run your campaign, the special interests end up gaming the system. When the White House is hostile to any kind of oversight, corporations cut corners and consumers pay the price. When regulators are chosen for their disdain for regulation and we gut their ability to enforce the law, then the interests of the American people are not protected. It’s an ideology that intentionally breeds incompetence in Washington and irresponsibility on Wall Street, and it’s time to turn the page.

Just today, Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book – you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem. But here’s the thing ... we know how we got into this mess. What we need now is leadership that gets us out. I’ll provide it, John McCain won’t, and that’s the choice for the American people in this election.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who is out of touch more, McCain or his child prodigy spokesperson Tucker Bounds.

Posted by: LH | September 16, 2008 4:51 PM

C'mon. Tucker Bounds is priceless when he's put up against critical questioning. The dude rates really high on the unintentional comedy scale!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't Trickle Down my leg and tell me it's raining!

Posted by: Tungadunger | September 16, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Kate, if you are serious, here you go. Substance galore on Obama's economic plan. Good luck finding anything like it on the McCain website. Obama has actually thought about this stuff before today. In detail. With great advisors.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

Posted by: Nomo Stew | September 16, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"This joker also wrote about taxes-funny, but when Bush took office, the projected 10-year budget was in surplus for 5 trillion dollars. Eight years of bushanomics have left us 9 Trillion in the hole and counting. That's a difference of well over $100,000.00 per Federal Income Taxpayer. Shocking-disgusting-immoral-unAmerican-and oh so sadly true. So let's start practicing what you preach, alesek GA."

Posted by: Biff | September 16, 2008 4:46 PM

Tell us Biff, WHY is it that people like you continue to spout these idiotic lies? There was NO ACTUAL surplus. The national debt increased every single fiscal year since 1960. Clinton never ran a surplus. He only budgeted them.

Budget projections in 1999/2000 were a joke. They were based off the boom we saw in the late 90's and acted as if those times would continue. In reality, in March of 2000 the decline began and continued through early 2003.

Bush has been a huge burden, no question. He raised the nations debt from 5.5 trillion to over 9 trillion. But get your facts straight and quit spouting off moronic talking points from the idiots in DC (in BOTH parties).

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Rachel, this economic turmoil would never be happening if the Bush tax cuts were still in place-and we'd have the deficit paid off too! ooooopppsss! Nevermind!

Posted by: Biff | September 16, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

barack hussien obama is the best choice right now. McCain want to appoint a commission like bush appointing a war czer. Stop passing the buck, and be accountable for the last 27 years in washington Mr. McBush.

Posted by: brock101 | September 16, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the ignorant idealogues lambasting Bush don't know that Sen Dodd and Rep Frank, Dem chairs of respective banking and financial services committes, are the ones with authority to regulate Wall Street and the financial industry. The President, any President, can do nothing but pontificate like Obama. While Congress has had plenty of time to investigate major league baseball and windfall oil profits, isn't it revealing that no hearings have been held on this mess. And I would bet a large sum that no hearings will be held before elections.

Posted by: Oliver Moore | September 16, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The record shows BO has no accomplishments, the record shows that no one from BO's distant pass is willing to stand up and speak for BO, the record shows that Joe Biden would rather have Hillary Clinton stand up for BO, the record shows that when BO faces a tough vote he caves and waffles unwilling to stand up for anything, the record shows that BO has no major legislative accomplishments, no executive accomplishments, the record shows that BO is the most liberal Senator in the U.S. Senate, the record shows that BO is totally unqualified to be President.

Posted by: No BO | September 16, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Obama can discuss his solutions over a $28,500 dinner and $2,500 show. But for us middle class families who could pay their mortgage for two years on this amount of money will be discussing how he does not represent the needs of the middle class.

Posted by: cpk | September 16, 2008 4:35 PM

Disingenuous. Senator Obama has not been hiding his policies behind closed doors like President Bush has traditionally done...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Clinton was president? Record prosperity, personal incomes up, stock market on fire, my phone rang so often with work I couldnt do half of it. Record surplus in the US treasury.

Now look where Bush has brought us. Record deficits. Ive lost 2 jobs this past year. Housing market in the tank. Stock Market in the tank. Personal incomes DOWN not up.

8 is enough! No more McCain/Palin/Bush economics!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who is out of touch more, McCain or his child prodigy spokesperson Tucker Bounds.

Posted by: LH | September 16, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Here is the text of Obama's speech for those who want to know about specifics.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR2008091601767.html

Posted by: EM | September 16, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse


And allowing the Government to take over and decide how the private sector should run will help the situation? Last i checked everything the gov. does just messes things up more. The less gov. the better!

This mess now has nothing to do with bush's tax cuts. In fact as people seem to have forgotten, up until around 2006 the stock market kept breaking record highs every day, but it was barely covered in the news, and unemployment was at an all time low! That was five years into Bush's presidency and that was after the devastation of 9/11.

Wealth creates wealth. It is the wealthy that own business and hires people thus raising the employment rate!

The dems just love playing on people's fear and sorrows, the worst off America is the better for them, that's how they gain power, by playing big brother and making people reliant on them.

Posted by: Rachel | September 16, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama is yet to articulate any sort of tax policy other than tax hikes and keeping the Bush tax cute, all of which makes no sense. The fact that McCain believes that a (!! sort of commission should be formed in such a crisis as this does make sense. Are we to think Obama has all of the answers? I think not!
Another great site created just so that Dems and Repubs can battle it out:
http://americanpoliticalblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/ground-zero-2008-you-report-we-decide/

here are the facts. get real. mccain's numbers are lop-sided and just don't add up.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hdX1csHuXbUFJ6REp97MjBsJouHAD932F24O0

Under Obama, the wealthiest 1 percent of taxpayers, those making roughly $600,000 or more, would see their taxes go up on average by $93,709 in 2009, according to an analysis done by the Tax Policy Center, because Obama would begin implementing his tax changes even before the scheduled expiration of the Bush cuts.

Under McCain, those same taxpayers would see an average reduction of $48,860, reflecting in part additional cuts he is proposing.

By contrast, the bottom 20 percent of taxpayers, those with taxable income of roughly $19,000 per year or less, would see their taxes cut by an average of $567 under Obama's program and $21 under McCain's plan, the tax center estimates.

For the 20 percent of taxpayers right in the middle of the income scale, making roughly between $37,600 and $66,400, the tax break would be $1,118 under the Obama plan and $325 under the McCain plan in 2009, according to the analysis done by the tax center, a joint venture of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, two Washington think tanks.

Posted by: theoatwa | September 16, 2008 4:20 PM

I put the nonsense in you post against the facts.

For those earning$100,000 or less what you call a tax hide means much more money in the taxpayers pocket. What you are doing is repeating misinformation. You are trying to get voters to vote AGAINST a TAX CUT for themselves.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow I stand to save 720 dolalrs under Obama's plan, and his numbers actually balance out the budget instead of borrowing funds to cut taxes. It makes so much sense a 3 year old could understand. If you're one of the top 1% richest people in America, good you can pay about 10% more in taxes so we can have a balanced budget. I'm sure it will cause you some pain initially, but its much better than indebting your grandkids to China. Yup. Its so simple. Fix the economy by getting us out of debt, and giving the muscle of america a well deserved break on taxes.

Posted by: Duh | September 16, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

After 8 Years of this slow moving train wreck of a Bush economy you GOP damm conservatives really need to STFU!!!

Posted by: Tungadunger | September 16, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse


And allowing the Government to take over and decide how the private sector should run will help the situation? Last i checked everything the gov. does just messes things up more. The less gov. the better!

This mess now has nothing to do with bush's tax cuts. In fact as people seem to have forgotten, up until around 2006 the stock market kept breaking record highs every day, but it was barely covered in the news, and unemployment was at an all time low! That was five years into Bush's presidency and that was after the devastation of 9/11.

Wealth creates wealth. It is the wealthy that own business and hirer people thus raising the employment rate!

The dems just love playing on people's fear and sorrows, the worst off America is the better for them, that's how they gain power, by playing big brother and making people reliant on them.

Posted by: Rachel | September 16, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

cpk wrote: I'm sure Obama can discuss his solutions over a $28,500 dinner and $2,500 show. But for us middle class families who could pay their mortgage for two years on this amount of money will be discussing how he does not represent the needs of the middle class.

Nice one! And McCain woke up today at 5AM out of his bed in rural Iowa to go milk the cows and feed the sheep. Are you blind or just horribly biased and one-sided?

Ever been to Vegas? Ever goto a show on the strip? Millions of middle class folks do every year! Ever price tickets for those shows? Yup, pretty steep yet average Americans goto those shows every day in America.

Oh, by the way, how many houses does McCain own again? Please remind me.

Posted by: right ain't right | September 16, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

It really is scary to think that any of you are even sort of considering another term of this oh-so-failed administration.

Sarah Palin is a diversion to distract us from what has actually be going on these past eight years. Those of you who are even considering her, consider this:

If you would have asked her six months ago if she would be nominated for the position of VP of the US, she would have laughed at you. How ready can she possibly be?

Now the GOP are continually grooming her so that she seems ready enough to you. She has five kids - one just headed off to Iraq (how distracting is that?, one is pregnant (how distracting is that?), the same one is making wedding plans (oh my, how distracting is that!), another one is a young infant (how distracting is that), and that same infant has a disability (how distracting is that)?

She is being used to manipulate us, and it's time to wake up! Consider the following article:

This is a very interesting read concerning McCain's choice of Palin and Republican manipulation from an unusual and surprising religious perspective. I highly recommend checking it out:

http://www.newsflavor.com/Opinions/McCain-Hijacks-Christianity-Via-Palin.240929

Posted by: LaRae | September 16, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

During the last great depression there was a manufacturing economy that was closed down with unregulated stock market and banking industry. When the second world war started that economy sprang to life.

This time around less manufacturing, still unregulated market and banks but no world war and crushing national debt.

Also a lot more people to feed.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

We are all victims of corporate and government greed. Both parties are out to say whatever works to get campaign money and ultimately get elected. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know that the root of all our economic failure is good old fashioned greed. In the end, it’s always people like me who struggle everyday for Wall Street excesses. How the hell can you run Fannie and Freddie into the ground and then get what amounts to an executive firing “bonus”. It makes no sense. Put them in jail!

The only thing I do know is McCain is the lesser of two evils. If McCain wins, at least we will end up “paying less” to bail everyone out. Oh yes, the tax payers are going to pay! If a liberal is elected, the Democrats will try to socialize everything.

Posted by: Pat | September 16, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's the problem with this out-of-touch attack line against McCain. As an independent voter, this strategy is just NOT resonating with me at all. I want to hear from Obama what he plans do about this crisis specifically and the economy in general. If he's made speeches about it before, his ideas did not come across at all. The only thing I know is that he supports increasing the capital gains tax, which I do not agree with. Obama needs to give us a reason to vote for him. Instead, with all this juvenile mocking and this dumb out-of-touch strategy, he's giving us a reason not to vote for him.

Posted by: Kate | September 16, 2008 4:43 PM

Frankly, if you haven't seen or heard what Senator Obama's ideas are, you've been working to avoid them. This posting is little more an moderately skilled attempt to mislead people into believing that Senator Obama has not stated what he would do. Anyone with half a wit and an internet connection can find the Senator's policies and speeches online.

Posted by: scott032 | September 16, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

People need to quit thinking that McCain will be the SAME as 4 more years of Bush- when McCain will actually be WORSE than 4 more years of Bush

Posted by: Common Man | September 16, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

>>>

Because after all - the media doesn't live in the US....

This joker also wrote about taxes-funny, but when Bush took office, the projected 10-year budget was in surplus for 5 trillion dollars. Eight years of bushanomics have left us 9 Trillion in the hole and counting. That's a difference of well over $100,000.00 per Federal Income Taxpayer. Shocking-disgusting-immoral-unAmerican-and oh so sadly true. So let's start practicing what you preach, alesek GA.


Posted by: Biff | September 16, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I was shocked in 2004 when Bush was re-elected. The U.S.A has deteriorated economically, morally and internationally with eight years of republican autocratic, misleading and incompetent management. The current Democratic candidate is focusing on the nation and what is weakening it rather than fear mongering to justify more invasions. This election should be a forgone conclusion with Obama in the white house. As a neighbor, it will be interesting to watch and see if the people of the U.S.A. somehow choose once again to undermine their best chance of progress and posperity. Making war over oil is a dangerous doctrine to lead a nation by. But if that is what you all want, that will be what you will get.

Posted by: Canadian | September 16, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, your "cycles" almost always involve unregulated financial institutions overextending themselves (the low, or "Republican" part of the cycle) followed by sensible regulation (the high, or "Democratic" parts), followed by overly optimistic deregulation (leading to a new low).

It's no accident that Democratic administrations have been far better for the economy over the last 60 years. You could look it up: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31view.html?em
Or do your own homework. Make a chart of the last 100 or so years, showing party in control of Presidency and common market measures. They go up so much more in Democratic administrations that the visual alone is all you need.

A sensibly regulated economy grows more naturally and avoids the lows. This "cycle" will not go back up until we do what we typically have done first: elect Democrats. That's actually how the "cycle" works.

Posted by: Nomo Stew | September 16, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I love all the 'corporate greed' and 'fascist economics folks blaming Fannie Mae on the current government. It's as stupid as blaming the state of New Orleans levies on the government currently in power. FMAC was established by 'THE GREAT DEMOCRAT' in 1938, and made a private corporation in 1968. Thats TEN presidential terms ago folks. Bush may not be the best president America ever had - but you can't blame him for everything just because you want your man to win.

Posted by: Angus Elliott | September 16, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama would re-regulate the markets that have been manipulated by the wealthy, which is what recently happened to the oil market. We all know it wasn't a supply and demand issue. When these housing and lending markets were regulated the economy was much healthier.

Posted by: Bill | September 16, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

B Hussein is quick to blame, blame, blame because his actual leadership skills are lame, lame, lame. "How about a basketball game?"

Posted by: Schratboy | September 16, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Jeff: Thanks. I guess I thought this was supposed to be a somewhat serious analysis of the piece by Kornblut.

Posted by: Jeffery | September 16, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

When you graduate in the last 5 of your class from Military School,or attend 6 colleges for a BS aka Bullshyt degree like Palin....The fundamentals of the economy would seem like they are strong very strong while aat the same time the country is in the biggest financial crisis of my adult life.. Im tired of DUMB presidents.Please people elect a smart president with the qualifications to prove it. Obama lived the american dream he Knows what its like to be poor and work your way up, He didnt abandon his sick wife, to marry money

Posted by: tired of the same | September 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need". Karl Marx (Rove) said that. Seems this is what Republicans and their minions are selling, that the more able to make money, the more you should keep it, dishonest gain or not. The greatest fear we have if McCain and Failin' get into office is that we will create a upper class like England has ... "the landed aristocracy" and they will rule and control from above ... throwing an occasional bone, picked clean, to the serfs and peons below ... just like the current administration has done. Frankly, we need democracy here in the USA, as much as we pretend to be selling it in Iraq, and the rest of the world.

Vote for McPain and Failin' and hold on to your wallets ... 'cause you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Posted by: vs | September 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows by now Obama wants an additional stimulus package as of a few months ago and guessing the way McCain has been stealing all of Obama's ideas as of recent I predict he will make the same argument as if it was his idea in the coming weeks. So to answer those out of touch with Obama's proposed solutions, this is one of them and I'm all for it. Instead of bailing out wall street, bail me out!!

Posted by: white male voter | September 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Feldschreiber:

"Russian invasion of Georgia" ?????

Perhaps Obama knows something about brainwashed Americans (ever since the 1920s)who believe the crap they hear on Fox News and read in such rags as the New York Post or the Boston Herald, or from the current war criminals running your country. Maybe that's why he doesn't say anything about "Russian invasion of Georgia".

They never showed on American TV desperate Saakashvili chewing his own tie on BBC camera when he realized his awful mistake of trying to retake S. Ossetia by force. He did it surreptitiously, at night, by bombing everything alive, including women and children, and with hundreds of lightly armed Russian soldiers still present there under the terms of a treaty with Georgia, signed by Saakashvili only a few weeks
earlier.


By the way, let this be a lesson to all of you and esp. Gov. Palin who's ready to "defend" Georgia (what a moron!) You don't f....k with the Russians, period!
Wasn't 45 years of Cold War enough of a lesson to you?

Besides, it's not The American Century anymore, haven't you noticed?
While you've been electing a degenerate to be President - TWICE - the world has happily passed you by.

Posted by: Sam | September 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

John MCCAIN'S MENTAL ILLNESS and physical health should be a NATIONAL SCANDAL. While the American public is sleeping the mainstream media and McCain's handlers have focused on selling Americans on imagery of the "War Hero...Maverick...Naval Aviator" while hiding the disturbing side of McCain, that he is in fact mentally ill, emotionally unstable, suffering from PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome), alzheimers or the onset of senility and is HEAVILY MEDICATED for a number of ailments and has CANCER. McCain was tortured so severely in Vietnam that he tried to commit suicide. Nine out of 10 POW's who returned from Vietnam were diagnosed with PTSD. This may explain his irrational behavior but it does not explain the MSM ignoring some disturbing realities about the state of John McCain's mental and physical capabilities.

Posted by: Christopher London. | September 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Which advisor do you think knows what's going on....McCain's Phil Gramm or Obama's Warren Buffett??

Posted by: Pax | September 16, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I have a great idea lets ask the everyday person donate $66 millon in one month to finance a campaign. While people are out of work and starving. That is a $35,000 salary for almost 19,000 people.

Posted by: Bmore Matt | September 16, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Why does Obama want to be president at all cost ? Is he genuine. Please remember to vote for a genuine individual , then American People would truly benefit."

Imagine the next President of the United States sitting at a table across from Putin. Imagine, and it won't be too hard, that for world stability our President needs to do a world class sell job on Putin, making him think he's getting the better deal, while securing what's best for America and our allies. Imagine the clever deception, the cunning, and the strategy required to make that happen.

Keep in mind that Putin is ex-KGB and has psychological manipulation skills beyond anything you can imagine - consider how he made Bush his little b* in one meeting. Putin was probably disappointed it was so easy. He probably has to hear jokes about seeing his soul every time he sits down with his drinking buddies.

Who do you want on the other side of the table? Some guy who's really genuine? Someone you can 'have a beer with'? Someone with an anger management problem? Or a smooth bastard that going to work that son-of-a-b* with an effort that would make a used car salesmen fall down on his knees in a call to worship.

You make the call.

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's the problem with this out-of-touch attack line against McCain. As an independent voter, this strategy is just NOT resonating with me at all. I want to hear from Obama what he plans do about this crisis specifically and the economy in general. If he's made speeches about it before, his ideas did not come across at all. The only thing I know is that he supports increasing the capital gains tax, which I do not agree with. Obama needs to give us a reason to vote for him. Instead, with all this juvenile mocking and this dumb out-of-touch strategy, he's giving us a reason not to vote for him.

Posted by: Kate | September 16, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama has backed the house speaker of this do nothing congress 97% of the time for 18 months while the Economy has gone down.

Posted by: noObama | September 16, 2008 4:23 PM

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This current "do-nothing" Congress has been roadblocked every step of the way by the Repubs. (Remember SCHIP anyone?)

You rembember the Repubs right...the same folks who were in charge of the Congress for 10 years prior to 06'?

How quickly you clowns forget....

Posted by: Lame argument... | September 16, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I was shocked in 2004 when Bush was re-elected. The U.S.A has deteriorated economically, morally and internationally with eight years of republican autocratic, misleading and incompetent management. The current Democratic candidate is focusing on the nation and what is weakening it rather than fear mongering to justify more invasions. This election should be a forgone conclusion with Obama in the white house. As a neighbor, it will be interesting to watch and see if the people of the U.S.A. somehow choose once again to undermine their best chance of progress and posperity. Making war over oil is a dangerous doctrine to lead a nation by. But if that is what you all want, that will be what you will get.

Posted by: Canadian | September 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

to Jeffery

Yes and no.

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Why do Republicans and McCain think Sarah Palin is a pig anyway? no one said she was a pig or was even thinking it until they suggested it, interesting. Maybe she is into pigs? we knows she hates the beautiful Alaskan wolf.. It probably got lonely up there in Alaska before she met hubby. Maybe we should just call her Sarah Pig or Moose Huntin' Barbie..

Posted by: Democrats 08 | September 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"Obama also pointed to a history of Democratic presidents, from Franklin Roosevelt to Bill Clinton, who commanded the country through rough financial waters."

LOL, Clinton started this mess when he deregulated the banking industry via the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, overturning the Glass-Steagall Act !!!!

On top of that, Senator Shelby called this out in 2003 but the Dems like Barney Frank of Mass, fought him due to losing politcal money from the "affordable housing fund." Dems were the politial stimulator, greedy banks and greedy Americans took the bait and caused the problem. I don't want to hear Obama spouting his trash about anything now.

Posted by: Michael | September 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Simonsays, democrats love nothing more than a financial panic and downturn. After all, it supports their dream of everyone being on the dole. More votes for them.

Posted by: Kathy | September 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone make comments about american workers when jobs are going over seas and we have someone who favors it and thinks it's good. Hello people Mccain is not the one. No more offshoring jobs.

Posted by: coffeebob | September 16, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Is this website just a means for idiots and blowhards to sound off? Or are we having a discussion about Obama's exact plan to manage this current "crisis?"

Posted by: Jeffery | September 16, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Both McCain and Palin are out and out liars! They've lied about their records and they make up lies about Barack Obama's voting record.

It was almost a year ago today, Obama spoke at NASDAQ and warned us about the pending economic woes we are seeing now. McCain was part of the cause of the economy we're in now and he chose to do NOTHING!

Posted by: Bill | September 16, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama's economic advisor - Warren Buffett

'Nuff Said.

Posted by: Doug | September 16, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Scrivener should write fiction, nice delusional rant.

Posted by: No BO | September 16, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Come on everybody, let's elect McCain and watch Social Security be privatized and get use to paying taxes on our health care premiums.

Posted by: Shawn | September 16, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I have never voted democrat...till now. do your research, mccain has financial backround, remember the Lincon Financial scandal.... John Mccain was one of the keating five that defended charles keating. When the facts came out, Mccain claimed he was only making certain his constituent was treated "fairly:....

Posted by: repubnomas | September 16, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama is yet to articulate any sort of tax policy other than tax hikes and keeping the Bush tax cute, all of which makes no sense. The fact that McCain believes that a (!! sort of commission should be formed in such a crisis as this does make sense. Are we to think Obama has all of the answers? I think not!
Another great site created just so that Dems and Repubs can battle it out:
http://americanpoliticalblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/ground-zero-2008-you-report-we-decide/

Posted by: Larry Clifton | September 16, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain is amazing....I mean, not only does he know how to cature Bin Laden if elected. He also know's the fundamentals of the economy are strong, dispite not knowing how to check his e-mail or properly use "the internets"...AND he created the blackberry and the wheel evidently. All of this and he still has to deal with diaper rash. Poor silly old man.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Machine-Gun McCain doesn't have a clue about the Economy, the War, the Housing Crisis or anything that benefit's the poor or middle class of people in this country. He's a Bush puppet, watch Georgi-Boi make him dance. DANCE FOR US JOHN !!!

Posted by: SadAmerican | September 16, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess she's not going to answer.

Posted by: Jeffery | September 16, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin just lies and more lies.
And half of America believes all their
lies. Unbelievable. Haven't had a enough
of this nonsense you want more.
They just ramble and repeat the same old
stuff, nothing new.
When they get through investigating
Palin the real her will come out.
All the Lies, they are both such sad
people like Bush.
I'm one America who is tired of all the lies they spill. Like Bush Just like Bush!! America bye bye with these two.

Posted by: Sammy | September 16, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain will be an economic disaster for the United States and Palin will usher in World War III with Russia.

Posted by: Shawn | September 16, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

right-wingers are an emotional bunch. no facts, sentimental stories, bagging, and insults. great for fraternities. pathetic for governing.

the last 8 years have been a joke. nowadays all right-winging trolls can do is make excuses for incompetence and stoke fear and tribalism. lord of the flies.

enough already.

Posted by: theoatwa | September 16, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The record shows:
Republicans have showed terrible leadership during these last 8 years!!! There is no reason to vote for McCain and Palin because they are more of the same. They follow the same fundamental policies of failure.

Posted by: Chris | September 16, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

usa3
is just a character out of a
Kurt Vonnegut book
like Dylan's Mr. Jones
he's really a pawn
but he thinks he's a rook

badly criticizing Obama
gives him his jollies
as he disregards all
the Bush/Cheney follies

that left us a record deficit
and bankrupt loan banks
with loss of good jobs
and more Halliburton tanks

so the next post you read
from old usa3
just know you can't always
believe what you read

Posted by: Allen Ginsberg, Patterson NJ | September 16, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

USA3 thinks hes a poet
getting reamed in the butt
but he don't even know it
gets all his info
from hannity and rush
but he's just a scared pussy
who will defend fascists like bush
run little pussy as fast as you can
its a terror code 3 just like rove planned

Posted by: monkeybacon | September 16, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae failed because it was an unworkable business model when it was created. Both Democrats and Republicans failed to do the oversight that was necessary. The Democrats were more to blame, but it should never have been created.

Who is to blame does little to help us but who has solutions and what to do next, neither McCain nor Bush have a clue. Obama has been talking about his plan for months.

Check out:Posted by: theoatwa | September 16, 2008 4:20 PM
Part of the answer is there. More job creation and quickly is needed this is a time bomb that will go off in little bursts over the next few years. Helping unemployment and avoiding debt default will help in this situation. Infrastructure renewal is needed.

Posted by: Ronnn | September 16, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

to godblessed
"there are way smarter people out there and Sarah Palin are among them"

Obviously not hard to be "smarter" in this country.

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Obama can discuss his solutions over a $28,500 dinner and $2,500 show. But for us middle class families who could pay their mortgage for two years on this amount of money will be discussing how he does not represent the needs of the middle class.

Posted by: cpk | September 16, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

How about Fanny Mae and Lehman Bros. The financial "twin towers" have collapsed. What radical ideological force was behind their demise? The No Government, extreme free-market policies the Republican Party. Policies that McCain and his closest advisers embraced and supported for decades.

So, now that it's all collapsed it's time to round up the supporters and sequester them for questioning because it's clear that they are still a danger to America and could strike again if given the chance.

Republicans deserve 40 years in the political desert for worshiping false idols and harming America.

Shame on Bush/McCain. No More Years of The Same.

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

We may get to hear from Mc Cain quickly but it is always with the wrong answer or a lie. Why not vote for the guy who instead of knee jerking actually thinks before he acts. palin is but one great example of where some thinking was in order. Vote hope not Republican manufactured fears. OBAMA BIDEN!

Posted by: COL MARK WITTINGTON US ARMY!! | September 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Change I can believe in?

This is the same old tired marxist class warfare rhetoric that the Dems have been peddling forever.

Posted by: Flyfish | September 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

McCAin said that our economy "fundamentals" are still strong, which is not the same as saying our economy is strong (as many of you proclaimed he said). And he is right. The fundementals are strong!!! Economy will always go through its ups and downs and there will always be some sort of corruption going on. So listen you all Obama lovers. The so called "chosen one" wants to fix this economy by creating even bigger government, taking money from rich who actually pay for the majority of the income taxes and give it to the poor and middle class. Under his new economy plan, no one will invest money because there will be no money to invest. So our economy will plumet and we will go into an official depression!

Use your own brain - do your own study - and stay away from media that wants our country to burn down so they have something to write about!!!

Posted by: alesek GA | September 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Simonsays-you know that the growth you are referring to is due to inflated dollars, don't you? That there is no REAL growth when true inflation is factored in, that we are currently in recession, and that the recession is in the process of growing much worse? Don't believe everything you read on your McCain-invented blackberry.

Posted by: Biff | September 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: godblessed | September 16, 2008 4:28 PM

Please go back to your Illuminati.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The Republican response that Obama "inflated his resume" is such bunk.

The truth is, Republicans like McCain, have consistently belittled and tried to diminish Obama's 25 years of experience, focusing only on his brief time as a community organizer, right out of college.

Republicans like McCain, have refused to acknowledge Obama's 12 years as a law maker, and 10 years of teaching constitutional law (not to mention his degree in international affairs).

Obama has 25 years of experience that Republican, John McCain, refuses to give him credit for.

Obama has the RIGHT experience (thankfully, not all of it in Washington) and has shown true leadership.


That's why the "inexperienced" line of attack hasn't worked on Obama.

People can easily look on the internet to find Obama's 25 year "resume" for themselves, and have judged him to be experienced and qualified for the job of president of the USA.

Posted by: jds | September 16, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Read Obamas lips-

Democrats good for ecomomy.

Republicans bsd.

Democrats lower taxes on middle class.

Republicans dont.

Some people just dont get the truth.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

First, understand the financial crisis is big. Second, if you have a 401k or IRA retirement plan or if you hold stocks, you just lost a bunch of money. $700 billion wiped off America's books in one day is surely a blip that even the Republicans must notice. How can anyone support these guys when they cost the average Joe money? McCain represents more of the same "behind the curve" thinking that got us here.

Posted by: Scott | September 16, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

reading these comments makes me shudder This country is in a heap of trouble.. Clearly we need change It could not be ANY clearer.. could it??
Clearly the republican leadership has failed miserably on every front.. There is one vote this NOV.. it goes to Obama.. or Mickey Mouse, or Brittany Spears.. .. just so long as it does not go to McCain and that pinhead he has for a running mate.. That would be sure disaster for the USA and my ticket out of here.. to some sane land.. where ever that is... Good Luck USA.... we need it!

Posted by: shawn | September 16, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Kornblut: What exactly is Obama's "approach to managing the current financial crisis?"

Posted by: Jeffery | September 16, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Mc Same and Palin are all about the distraction and never about the actual issue. They employ these tactics because they havent a clue how to fix the mess their party has brought upon us. Senator Obama has Warren Buffet, Robert Reich, and Paul Volker on his economic advisor board. He surrounds himself with smart people none of whom created the mess that he will have to fix when we are smart enough to elect him President! YES WE CAN VOTE IN THE CHANGE WE NEED! OBAMA BIDEN IN 2008!

Posted by: Janet Bettencourt | September 16, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Sam: She was a secretary - you know - an everyday working person.

She didnt get to marry into a beer fortune.

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain = Dirty Diapers

Not very presidential if you ask me.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"Say No to B.O."

Posted by: James | September 16, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I find it amusing when the last few crises have hit (like the Russian invasion of Georgia and Wall St. Meltdown yesterday), it is J. McCain who owns up to them and seeks solutions. We never hear from B.O.
for 2 or 3 days later! Very telling!

Posted by: J. Feldschreiber | September 16, 2008 4:28 PM

................................................


Amnesia is usually caused by a trauma and should be treated by medical help. Selective amnesia is usually caused idiocy. Flat out lying is usually caused by becoming a member of the Republican party...welcome to the party buddy...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

If Obama were running the campaing that McCain is running right now, Obama would be 30 points behind in the polls. It astounds me that McCain has the support he has now. Wake up people. Deregulation is Republican bread and butter, and McCain is no different. Deregulation is exactly what got is into this mess. FYI, nothing is "trickling down" on my head, last time I checked. The only thing trickling down on my head are the tears I had after looking at my stocks yesterday.

Posted by: BlueDotRedSea | September 16, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Listen to Obama. "He passed up a career on Wall St." He knows what he's talking about.

Posted by: Dave | September 16, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

us3,

Please cite evidence of Obama's "hate filled campaign against
middle america" Please don't spew claims without any facts.

Obama will cut taxes for the middle class. McCain will not. Obama will work for universal health care which benefits the middle class. McCain will not. Obama will extend student loans which are disappearing under the Repubs, McCain will not. Obama will raise benefits to returning vets, McCain will not.

How do these things not help the middle class?

Please keep your fear mongering to yourself.

ea7.

Posted by: ea7 | September 16, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain is old. Palin is a joke. It's okay to vote for the intelligent black/white guy, really...

Posted by: Lucy | September 16, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe your female friend at Lehman Bros. should've gone into community organizing after the business school, like Obama did.
Maybe she'd still have a job today.

"Curiousity killed the cat" - an old English proverb

"Greed killed the sucker" - an old Russian proverb

Posted by: Sam | September 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Just so you know, simonsays and usa3 are the same shrill individual. Notice the (lack of) writing style and (lack of) capitalization. Also notice the posting order and close time-stamp.

These hateful McCain supporters will say anything that it takes to keep the status quo going. Lower taxes for the rich, forget the middle class, just keep things going like they have been.

Excuse me, but your (lack of) intellect is showing. They even link the intelligence of Obama with elitism. Truthfully, we've had too many dumb-arsed good old boys running things. We need some brains to get us out of this mess, not good old uncle John and his knee-jerk cronies.

Posted by: Franklin Hussein | September 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Ok OK. I give up.

The last 8 years have been JUST WONDERFUL!

We all want more of the same!!!

(Bush is the stupidest MF to hold the Presidency in the last century)

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I find it amusing when the last few crises have hit (like the Russian invasion of Georgia and Wall St. Meltdown yesterday), it is J. McCain who owns up to them and seeks solutions. We never hear from B.O.
for 2 or 3 days later! Very telling!

Posted by: J. Feldschreiber | September 16, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Why does Obama want to be president at all cost ? Is he genuine. Please remember to vote for a genuine individual , then American People would truly benefit. Thanks
What you do Not know about Obama could Hurt you . McCain's choice of Palin proves McCain to be very smart and keen. The world may prefer Obama because it would be easier for them to deal with In-Experienced Obama . Do we need Ethnic/Race Quota in US government ? I suppose that one has to earn the privilege . Does Obama deserve that !
Please keep Obama as Senator Here in Illinois;How could you guarantee that Obama would be a good president ? Thanks
Please Keep Senator Obama here for the state of Illinois. Thanks How could you guarantee that Obama would be a good president ? Thanks Dear People, when you think that you could not achieve some tasks or multiple tasks, please do Not think that nobody else could achieve since people are different , there are way smarter people out there and Sarah Palin are among them. Please do research in quantum, metaphysics about that truth. Obama could be Senator , at the best! Please vote for President McCain and Vice President Sarah Palin. Thanks. God Bless America Forever. -- We must pray as if everything depended on God and work as if everything depended upon us. St. Ignatius of Loyola

Posted by: godblessed | September 16, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey gang,

Let's see if we can create 5 consecutive posts that are all positive. I'll start...

I appreciate Obama's plan to increase personal income taxes on folks who make over 2.8 million dollars a year.

There, that's wasn't so hard.

Your turn.

Posted by: Mr. Town Hall | September 16, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

When during the last 8 years has the economy being thriving? It's not like this all of the sudden happened.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I am beginning to find Obama as irritating as a bad case of hemorrhoids. It would be one thing if this clown had ever managed, lead, owned, or governed something in his life but he hasn't and all we are getting now is lip service. I for one see this clown as a girlie man and an individual for whom I have no confidence in his leadership capabilities or style. Worse yet, I am in no mood to pay him more of my hard earned money for taxes to pay for some knee jerk, save the world, dumb ass social programing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants to spend $50 Billion on some type of economic bailout plan and revamp the bankruptcy laws that prevent a court from allowing a person to keep their home....the same bankruptcy law pushed by his running mate Joe Biden at the behest of MBNA. He also wants to punish lenders, those like Fannie & Freddie that gave him over $100K in the past three years. Right...he's a champion.

Posted by: ClintonDem4Cynthia08 | September 16, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

We're in deep doodoo.

Half the country thinks the world was created 7,000 years ago.

If Adam and Eve only had sons, who did they mate with?

I guess its a matter of faith.

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

we need someone that understands the economy on his own... not someone that needs a "commission" to understand what went wrong.. hence, we need someone who is educated in the "fundamentals of economics" to make well educated decisions for this economy.. IT IS TIME TO SEE THAT THERE IS NO GAIN IN MCCAIN!!

Posted by: pelican | September 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember the iran contra scandel? How Reagan didn't remember anything about it? That will be McCain multiplied by 100. He's too OLD!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

energy costs double,
and yet we have 3% growth.
I would call that fundamentally sound,
Barbara.
I imagine you voted for Ross Perot?

Posted by: simonsays | September 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so what exactly is obama's approach for handling this "crisis?"

Posted by: Jeffery | September 16, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Vonnegut thought Bush and the neocons are a bunch of douchbags you moron. If he were still here, he would probably vote for Obama.

Posted by: monkeybacon | September 16, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

If McCain helped created the miracle which is blackberry I'm sure he will create another miracle to solve all of our problems. Nothing to worry about folks. The fundamentals are strong.

Posted by: thor | September 16, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama has backed the house speaker of this do nothing congress 97% of the time for 18 months while the Economy has gone down.

Posted by: noObama | September 16, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Freddie Mac and Fannie May failed because CLINTON forced a relaxation of the lending standards in the late 90s. Obama doesn't have the guts, the vision, the political party, or the brainpower from his advisors to fix it.

Posted by: AG1231 | September 16, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama is no better!

"Worst day since the Great Depression!" Hardly, Obama. He's using scare tactics with the economy to scare people into thinking we're all going to lose our money unless he's elected.

Only thing is that if he's elected, we WILL lose our money when he hikes every other tax on the middle class beside our income taxes!

Posted by: Jawinka | September 16, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Mccain doesnt need Obama to ridicule him He and Sarah P do a pretty damn good job!! THE FUNDAMENTALS OF OUR ECONOMY IS STRONG, VERY STRONG!! WHAT A JOKE

Posted by: barbara | September 16, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Iraq was a Just war.
we needed to bring hussien.
sadam, not barrack,
to justice.

Posted by: simonsays | September 16, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

So McCain states that the economy is strong. Then, when Obama calls him on this nonsense, McCain says Obama is criticizing WORKERS-He then spins around and says today that the economy is in crisis...
You have GOT to be kidding me! This addle-brained dried-up pandering sponge will bury what's left of this conned and looted country.

Posted by: Biff | September 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama should win unless - harold ickes was right - karl rove is acting very peculiar.
Never trust doughboy.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Gator-ron
I think I love you Ron,
you make me wet,
just thinking
of how smart you are.
is there anything you
dont know?
Nobama

Posted by: usa3 | September 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain has a great plan...pretend to be a demented old bat who is having some kind of old fart mental break down...oh wait...he's not playing. McCain is too damn old.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I called a friend of mine at Lehman Bros. yesterday.

When she heard it was me she burst into tears. She was cleaning out her desk.

"I never believed for an instant that it would come to this".

She is one of thousands......no parachute for her.

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

here are the facts. get real. mccain's numbers are lop-sided and just don't add up.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hdX1csHuXbUFJ6REp97MjBsJouHAD932F24O0

Under Obama, the wealthiest 1 percent of taxpayers, those making roughly $600,000 or more, would see their taxes go up on average by $93,709 in 2009, according to an analysis done by the Tax Policy Center, because Obama would begin implementing his tax changes even before the scheduled expiration of the Bush cuts.

Under McCain, those same taxpayers would see an average reduction of $48,860, reflecting in part additional cuts he is proposing.

By contrast, the bottom 20 percent of taxpayers, those with taxable income of roughly $19,000 per year or less, would see their taxes cut by an average of $567 under Obama's program and $21 under McCain's plan, the tax center estimates.

For the 20 percent of taxpayers right in the middle of the income scale, making roughly between $37,600 and $66,400, the tax break would be $1,118 under the Obama plan and $325 under the McCain plan in 2009, according to the analysis done by the tax center, a joint venture of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, two Washington think tanks.

Posted by: theoatwa | September 16, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

You support a man who is unfit to serve as president and you name calling may satisfy you authoritarian personality but your response confirms my suspicion of intellectual infirmity.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 16, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Comments welcome: http://whenelephantsfly.blogspot.com

With regard to this election, the biggest elephant in the room should never have been John McCain or Sarah Palin. It should have always been the economy!

McCain's top economic advisor (Gramm) spearheaded the legislation that deregulated default credit swaps, which is, in large part, what caused the huge mess we're in.

Despite what John McCain's rose colored glasses will tell you, we are witnessing serious economic disaster. The casualties include Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Country Wide Loans, among others. These are no small casualties. Up until a few months ago, you would never, in a million years, have though that all of these companies would evaporate. This is due to bad policies by the current administration.

The same Republican mindset that created these problems cannot possibly fix them. Instead, they just plan to make things worse for most Americans. John McCain will increase the tax burden on the middle class, while giving huge breaks to his cronies. (No wonder his wife can afford to buy yet another pair of $300,000 earrings and no wonder he lost track of how many houses he owns.) To add insult to injury, McCain will also tax the value of the healthcare benefits I receive from my employer. So, if you expect to need any additional medical care of if you have a special needs child, you will be in a world of financial hurt.

With huge gas prices and staggering unemployment, Americans are already struggling to make ends meet. With McCain-Palin in office, whatever is left of the middle class will be obliterated and will be living in poverty. Please, we can not afford to make the same mistakes of the past eight years!

To see how honorable John McCain is, take a look at: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=cLfsG8XKWfw&feature=related

Comments welcome: http://whenelephantsfly.blogspot.com

Posted by: When Elephants Fly | September 16, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I love to visit these posts
to see how many guns and Jesus geniuses
out there cannot spell.
Speaks volumes!

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

A lot of the comments here are foolish, we don't need more religious icons and battle hungry folks running the country. We need diplomacy, financial planners, and an administration willing to cut costs where we are hurting and spend money, at home. Raise taxes on companies that outsource and are overseas and cut taxes on big business that stays here at home, building keep jobs for Americans.

Posted by: Rod | September 16, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

No Daddy No Mama
No damn Obama'

Posted by: simonsays | September 16, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad that Mr. Obama has already made the decision and the choice for America. He'll make the sun shine, rainbows shoot from every point in the sky, and the heavens sing. McCain will make the world explode...but the choice is ours!

Obama is truly a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is the reason I will not be voting Democrat in this election. Unfortunately, McCain's shifting to the far right has made him undesirable as well. So, once again, we have the extreme, insane left versus the extreme, insane right...with a whole bunch of sensible, middle ground people wondering "Who will stand up for me?"

It certainly won't be the arrogant, condescending Senator from Illinois.

Posted by: Jack | September 16, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how anyone who talks bad about Obama gets chastized.
He is a politician and so is McCain. Obama really doesn't go into detail about how he is going to do all of this "Change" in America. What record does he have? He hasn't really done anything in Chicago. So, everyone is assuming that voting with Bush 90% of the time is bad, but voting 100% against Bush is much worse.

Posted by: ANONYMOUS | September 16, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

mccain's for the common man eh?
which bracket do you fall under?
……………… MCCAIN …………. OBAMA
Income ……. Avg tax bill ……. Avg. tax bill
Over $2.9M …. -$269,364 (-4.4%)… +$701,885 (+11.5%)
$603K and up…. -$45,361 (-3.4%)… +$115,974 (+8.7%)
$227K-$603K…… -$7,871 (-3.1%)…….. +$12 (+0.0%)
$161K-$227K…… -$4,380 (-3.0%)….. -$2,789 (-1.9%)
$112K-$161K…… -$2,614 (-2.5%)….. -$2,204 (-2.1%)
$66K-$112K …… -$1,009 (-1.4%)….. -$1,290 (-1.8%)
$38K-$66K …….. -$319 (-0.7%)….. -$1,042 (-2.4%)
$19K-$38K …….. -$113 (-0.5%)……. -$892 (-3.6%)
Under $19K ……… -$19 (-0.2%)……. -$567 (-5.5%)
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/?postversion=2008061113

Posted by: theoatwa | September 16, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama: Hope and change - Change and hope - a little Chope here and a little Hange there and everything will be alright. That's my economic plan!

Posted by: ag1231 | September 16, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

i sometimes just ramble,
about habeas corpus,
and lunar months
and deer hide
draped over the market
bear bull mercury rising.
what was I saying?
oh yes,
dont bother to vote.
Heil Obama

Posted by: usa3 | September 16, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

No way, no how, no McCain, no Palin!

Posted by: Democrats 08 | September 16, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

obama wants the market to falter,
it is his only hope.
his vision of hope has turned
into a hate filled campaign against
middle america.
how does the working man
profit from race warfare?
Posted by: usa3 | September 16, 2008 4:08 PM

The market is not going to falter all at once this is going to be slow and painful. Frankly, the market may well rally but there is a problem and it is not going away and John McCain can't even decide if there is a problem. Yesterday he said no today he says yes. He hides from his responsibility by calling for a commission, which is Washington speak for doing nothing.

John McCain in this crisis is like a deer frozen in the headlights and you think this is how a president behaves.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 16, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Think of it this way.

We have been hearing since Reagan that “Government is the problem”; that government should get “out of the way”; that the private sector can always do it better and cheaper.

If one has this philosophy then it is natural to undermine government; to get it “out of the way”.

The Bush administration has systematically undermined the efficacy of the government by gutting any agency which it views as “standing in the way”.

You appoint “your guys” no matter how incompetent; you oust the professionals; you gut their budgets. You oppose anything which might “impede” the private sector corporations - consumer protections; food inspections; road and bridge inspection; financial regulations. You politicize the Justice Department, so that it finds nothing, even torture, objectionable. Anti-trust enforcement becomes non-existent.

You never lift a voice or use the bully pulpit against corporations shipping jobs wholesale overseas. Our retailers buy their inventory from China and you ship them our money, never insisting that China adjust its foreign exchange rate. Then you borrow the money back from China to plug our budget deficit, caused by corporate tax cuts and cuts for the top 1% of Americans. You ship the borrowed money to our oil suppliers and oppose any effort to reduce dependency by seeking alternative renewable sources of fuel. After all, you’re an oil man.

You start an unnecessary war costing hundreds of billions of dollars much of it going to favored construction companies doing work shoddy enough to electrocute ten soldiers in their showers. Hired thugs masquerading as “security details” rake in more of the money, answering to no one. You “rebuild” Iraq (which we never had to destroy anyway) while the Iraqis have almost $80 billion in the bank.

You shred the Constitution, abridge habeas corpus. You get elected by selling your “values” while robbing the country blind. You never talk about economics. You always scare the voters with the next bogeyman around the corner. When the media disagrees with you, you attack it as “unfair” with “liberal bias”. You start your own media outlets that parrot the party line.

You take the country into a permanent state of war with a volunteer army - a state so permanent no one even notices it anymore as they go to the mall. You ask nothing from them but their acquiescence.

“Just go shopping folks!”

What we clearly have now is a corporate state run by those who think law doesn’t apply to them.

Call it fascist.

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Gator-ron
You my good man,
are a obamabot
your mind is not your own.
go to the bathroom
and flush you head
down the toilet.
change real change, in your pocket!

Posted by: simonsays | September 16, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Hold your breathe. If AIG fails it will dwarf what has happend thusfar.

Doesn't look like the Fed wants to help.

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

yea why the big panic??

Posted by: boruch yona loriner | September 16, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

obama is instituting class warfare.
if you have the integrity and common
sense to think for yourself.
Free your mind. this is not 1929
germany. he is not the savoir
of the fatherland.
snap out of it, america.
it is all rhetoric.
go home and read a book,
may I suggest Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

Posted by: usa3 | September 16, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama at least has solid economic advisers on this. It is a pretty stressful topic at this point. Real money is disappearing fast.

http://www.boppoll.com

Posted by: RStone | September 16, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst day since
the great depression!!!!?????????
Obama.
what a moron.
the market goes down 5%
and that dumb ass tries
to start a panic????
Posted by: simonsays | September 16, 2008 3:39 PM

It is the worst day since the depression not in the magnitude of the market fall, October 19, 1987 would be the reference point of 22% for the greatest fall. It is the size of the financial institution that went under. This is a symptom of a problem which until we get someone in there who understands something about economics we will remain in trouble. Obama has had an economic plan that will deal with this situation and he had it in the spring and early summer.

McCain is pleading for help from a Washington Commission who he thinks will do what the president should do. This was anticipatable, I knew Lehman was a possible failure in July, I'm sure the more savvy knew before that. Doesn't McCain do any preparation or does he spend his whole day planning strategy, like choosing that unknowledgeable governor he is trying to convince us is fit to serve.

Leadership is taking charge in times of crisis, not running for help because you are unprepared to serve.

You dear sir are the intellectually deficient. You standard for competence are too low.


Posted by: Gator-ron | September 16, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

obama wants the market to falter,
it is his only hope.
his vision of hope has turned
into a hate filled campaign against
middle america.
how does the working man
profit from race warfare?

Posted by: usa3 | September 16, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats need to get the truth out about Republican 'tinkle-down' economics, that pee on the average citizen.

Posted by: oldhonky | September 16, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

All of Bush's and McCains rich friends are going to get bailouts, and millions of dollars for destroying companies. They had their heads buried in the sand for years. Why should they have cared? The taxpayers will bail them out!

No, Obama and Joe didn't hope for this...The Republicans got us here, and they used Rovian techniques to try and distract us from the real issues. The issues have come to roost. Iraq, the economy, the Bush Doctrine (whatever that is...I can see Russia from my window too!)...Palin, all the distractions are now being destroyed. The Wizard is being exposed, and Oz is being shown a sham, the Republican party that is Oz...No spin doctor, voodoo doctor, or magic maker is going to make the real issues go away again. The Palin baby mamma-gran-ma issue, and all the lipstick on pitbulls and pigs won't make what is happening go away...And guess what? The Republicans have been steering the ship for 8, long, hard, torturous years! The gig is up!

Go Obama and Joe! It is time that the other 99% of us slugs stopped being played and dissed by the true elitist scum that have been manipulating and grinding this country to the core!

Posted by: Wallace | September 16, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

TARGETING OF AMERICAN CITIZENS BY GOVERNMENT AGENCIES:

A ROOT CAUSE OF THE MORTGAGE / CREDIT / WALL ST. MELTDOWN?

Victims of so-called "organized gang stalking" claim that multiple government agencies, including intelligence, law enforcement, and revenue collection agencies, have established a network of secret, extra-legal programs aimed at destroying the financial well-being of "targeted" individuals -- who are denied due process of law as their financial resources are systematically confiscated from them.

These programs allegedly involve the interception of mail; surveillance, interception and alteration of telecommunications, including telephone and internet communications; fabrication of bank, credit card, mortgage and billing statements; surreptitious manipulation of personal and business bank and mortgage accounts. This system apparently is an outgrowth of past controversial government programs such as Cointelpro and "Total Information Awareness."

In effect, a secret parallel system of transaction processing has been established for these persons, a system allegedly intended to destroy their capacity to earn a living and to support themselves and their families. These "mechanics of personal destruction" closely remsemble the tactics employed by Nazi Germany in its campaign against the Jews and other targeted groups.

Victims charge that these programs also are designed to degrade their physical health, with health care professionals pressured by undercover agents to cooperate. Citizen vigilantes affiliated with government-funded community policing and "watch" groups are employed to harass and intimidate targeted persons, victims charge. These vigilantes are equipped with high-tech instruments capable of causing adverse health effects, victims have alleged.

Officials in the private sector know about some of these programs, it is alleged, since their cooperation is required to effect confiscatory transactions. Victims charge that the government is using national security and the "war on terror" as a pretext to secure the cooperation of corporations and businesses. But it is also possible that civilian overseers have been kept in the dark about the most nefarious of these programs.

The government takeover of more than half of the nation's mortgage market, and government supervision of failed investment houses such as Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros. help effectuate these programs of personal destruction, according to some of those who have been targeted.

These programs apparently have existed in one form or another for many years, but have become codified under the banner of the "war on terror" since the 9/11 terrorist attacks seven years ago, victims charge.

Victims of these "programs of personal destruction" are calling upon Congress to immediately convene hearings on these alleged unconstitutional, extra-legal abuses of power, which they say represent a great crime against humanity and a descent into a neo-fascist police state.

A mainstream media journalist who counts himself among the victims of these programs has written several articles on the subject of domestic terrorism and extra-legal targeting of American citizens:

TO: Mssrs. CHERTOFF, MUKASEY, PAULSON, GATES, McCONNELL, MUELLER

"GOV'T AGENCIES SUPPORT DOMESTIC TERRORISM"
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/government-agencies-support-domestic-torture-and-gang-stalking-says-noted-nowpublic-com-columnist
Gentemen: What do you know about this, and what are you doing about it?

Posted by: scrivener | September 16, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who knows anything about economics knows that it has cycles. This rise and fall has happened several times in our economy and will continue to happen. Obama is just another politician using the emotions of his followers to vote him into presidency. No matter who is the next president, the economy is going to rise.

Posted by: ANONYMOUS | September 16, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The suggestion that Obama welcomes economic distress ( or dead soldiers) is a damnable lie. The economy has been bad for two years, it just took the Lehman collapse to remind people and get the news media off lipstick on a pig issues.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | September 16, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

It actually was, incorporating a number of factors, the worst economic day since the great depression, usa3/simonsays. It wasn't just the stock market, it was the collapse of Lehman, job layoffs, and other wretched economic news.

Sorry amigo, that's just the way it is. You can deny that our economy is in bad shape all you want, but it's not going to make things any better.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | September 16, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

John McCain:

Wants deregulation and free markets and when he has what he says he wants he complains about the behavior of speculators. Is the man so clueless that he does not know that this is how free markets behave. What we need is market regulation. It limits the peaks but it stops these great plunges.

Yesterday the economy was strong, today we need a commission to deal with the crisis.

What we want is a president who will deal with the crisis and has been saying for months what needs to be done. John McCain is whining about speculators and whiners are not leaders.

How can his supporters tolerate turning the president's job over to a commission.

John Mccain is showing that he is unfit to serve. In a crisis he is paralyzed. What does he have advisors for?

Next week he'll come up with some half baked plan instead of his call for a commission, but whatever he does he is saying, "I'm not up to the job." This is George Bush in a crew neck sweater.

Posted by: Ronnn | September 16, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

You know what's odd? Anne Kornblut did a great job of transcribing BHO's thoughts, but doesn't seem to have called BHO on any of his statements.

Meanwhile, a few days ago she was all about asking real questions... of Palin. See this summary of Kornblut's recent "reporting":

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007986.html

Real questions for Palin, but just a transcription for BHO? Kornblut isn't a reporter, she's just a BHO supporting hack.

Posted by: 24AheadDotCom | September 16, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

simonsays and usa3 are idiots. Trying to blame Obama and Biden for an economic and Iraq War mess created by the Republican Party. THAT'S RIGHT! THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! GW BUSH WAS NOT ONLY THE HEAD OF THE UNITED STATES BUT THE HEAD OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. MACCAIN VOTED OVER 90% WITH BUSH OVER THE LAST 8 YEARS AND NOW MCCAIN AND PALIN ARE TRYING TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES FOR HIM AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

NAH! NAH! NAH! NOT SO FAST! NOT THIS TIME! NOT THIS YEAR!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 16, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an "expert" when it comes to bailing out rich bankers and screwing over middle class and poor people, he's been doing it for years.


*McCain -Founding Member of the Keating Five:


McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.
Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."


*McCain - Mafia Ties:


In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.


MCCAIN/PALIN - LIARS!

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
.

Posted by: Bush + McCain = "W"orthless | September 16, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst day since
the great depression!!!!?????????
Obama.
what a moron.
the market goes down 5%
and that dumb ass tries
to start a panic????

Posted by: simonsays | September 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I love a candidate who hopes
the markets crash and we lose
soldiers in Iraq.
What kind of a f*cked up
american president is that?
I see the markets are up
1.5%
obama must be kicking joe biden.
damn joe, we need dead americans
or a new depression!!!!!
it's our best chance of getting elected!!

Posted by: usa3 | September 16, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Since it's always fun to listen to John McCain argue with John McCain, let's revisit McCain's two reactions to the Wall Street meltdown yesterday.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gG5qKN


First there was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSBs0tBVrHk
.


And then, a couple of hours later:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IduEBQH5WLw
.


Besides probably being the fastest flip-flop in political history, these two conflicting statements also provide some insight for undecided voters...they learned that that famous "straight talk" isn't all it's cracked up to be, and that John McCain is right...he really doesn't know too much about economics.

Posted by: bill W | September 16, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

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