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Palin Denies Denying Human Role in Global Warming

By Juliet Eilperin
In an interview with ABC's Charles Gibson that was broadcast Thursday and Friday, the GOP vice presidential nominee took pains to say she had not denied humans' role in driving climate changes across the globe.

"Show me where I have ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change. I have not said that," Palin told Gibson.

In fact, she has publicly questioned this connection -- which represents the current scientific consensus -- at least twice.

Last year, she told the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner, "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity." And in an interview Newmax magazine just released, which was conducted before she was selected as John McCain's running mate, the Alaska governor said, "A changing climate will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made."

As a governor representing the state most affected by climate change at the moment, Palin has emphasized how Alaska can adapt to changing conditions, whether its helping fund the relocation of remote communities or pushing for new icebreakers that could speed energy exploration in the Arctic. By contrast, she has not weighed in on whether the federal government should cap greenhouse gas emissions -- something McCain has made a centerpiece of his Senate career.

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http://laurainak.blogspot.com/

Above at link are pictures of the Anti-Palin rally held this morning in Anchorage, Alaska.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin will say ANYTHING and do ANYTHING to get elected.

And GOP voters will follow even though it's not in their best interest.

Do you make less than $300,000 a year and think McCain won't tax you more than Obama? If so, you're wrong. Obama's plan will lower taxes more for more Americans, and yet McCain is running ads proclaiming exactly the opposite. In other words, he's telling lies to get elected.

You know, if people actually based their votes on the issues, Obama would win in a landslide. But American politics is just a sport to most people these days. It's very sad. And very frustrating to people trying to elect a competent president.

Posted by: MhR | September 13, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Palin could be under indictment for corruption or murder - it wouldn't matter to those that support the GOP, who may acually view those things as a badge of honor, of sorts - or as an initiation. She can do no wrong, like with Bush, the more you tell them they are crazy, the more devout they become.

Posted by: Gary P | September 13, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Aren't you just sick of this political wrangling. Americans are ready for a real Revolution. ...............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/09/14/americans-want-a-revolution-2008/

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | September 13, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

It is so laughable all of these Neo-Conjob paid operatives who keep posting the same tired, useless, copy and pasted links over and over to Neo-Con web sites and blogs and expect people to actually believe these sites "expose" the truth. Yeah right.

Well when fire ants can survive and flourish in Minnesota, don't say you weren't warned. Oh, but sorry, by then it is too late do do anything about it.

I'd say these posters are the same ones who believe the dinosaurs walked the earth 6000 years ago except they aren't, they are paid to do this and I doubt even they believe what they are posting as it is so ludicrous. Hey get a grip, even GWB accepts the fact after denying it for so long. As I understand it he even agrees now the world is round rather than flat. Evidently some of the Neo-Conjobs here haven't heard the news.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 13, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

There doesn't seem to be a statement that Palin makes that can't be proven to be a lie. It is shocking how consistent that is. The lying disease seems to have infected the entire McCain campaign. It is sick and very scary.

Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Every candidate develops a dominant image and key tag line used as a shorthand to refer to the candidate. This may be enforced by the same reference to their VP. We now have this established for each P and VP: Obama and Biden are truth tellers; McCain and Palin are liars.

Posted by: Kristin2 | September 13, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

@ all: Listen more closely to Palin's words. All she said is we don't have enough certainty to take the draconian measures global warming advocates want. Check out this well-run debate in which the audience was convinced that global warming was not a crisis:
http://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/Event.aspx?Event=12

@ Liz 9:57 9-13-08:
Can you expand on "Bush lied about the war" or did you only read the first paragraph of the Democratic talking points? It was Plame and Wilson who were wrong, or lied (unlike Liz, I'm willing to acknowledge that not all mistakes are lies). Follow this link to MSNBC & AP story about the U.S. removing 550 tons of yellowcake uranium from Iraq:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

Posted by: 269-269InElectoralCollege | September 13, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

September 13, 2008
Charlie Gibson's Gaffe
By Charles Krauthammer

"Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of `anticipatory self-defense.'" -- New York Times, Sept. 12

WASHINGTON -- Informed her? Rubbish.

The Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.

There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration -- and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today.

He asked Palin, "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?"

She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, "In what respect, Charlie?"

Sensing his "gotcha" moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, he grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine "is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense."

Wrong.

I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term. In the cover essay of the June 4, 2001, issue of The Weekly Standard titled, "The Bush Doctrine: ABM, Kyoto, and the New American Unilateralism," I suggested that the Bush administration policies of unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty and rejecting the Kyoto protocol, together with others, amounted to a radical change in foreign policy that should be called the Bush doctrine.

Then came 9/11, and that notion was immediately superseded by the advent of the war on terror. In his address to Congress nine days later, Bush declared: "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." This "with us or against us" policy regarding terror -- first deployed against Pakistan when Secretary of State Colin Powell gave President Musharraf that seven-point ultimatum to end support for the Taliban and support our attack on Afghanistan -- became the essence of the Bush Doctrine.

Until Iraq. A year later, when the Iraq War was looming, Bush offered his major justification by enunciating a doctrine of pre-emptive war. This is the one Charlie Gibson thinks is the Bush doctrine.

It's not. It's the third in a series and was superseded by the fourth and current definition of the Bush doctrine, the most sweeping formulation of Bush foreign policy and the one that most distinctively defines it: the idea that the fundamental mission of American foreign policy is to spread democracy throughout the world. It was most dramatically enunciated in Bush's second inaugural address: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."

This declaration of a sweeping, universal American freedom agenda was consciously meant to echo John Kennedy's pledge that the United States "shall pay any price, bear any burden ... to assure the survival and the success of liberty." It draws also from the Truman doctrine of March 1947 and from Wilson's 14 points.

If I were in any public foreign policy debate today, and my adversary were to raise the Bush doctrine, both I and the audience would assume -- unless my interlocutor annotated the reference otherwise -- that he was speaking about Bush's grandly proclaimed (and widely attacked) freedom agenda.

Not the Gibson doctrine of pre-emption.

Not the "with us or against us" no-neutrality-is-permitted policy of the immediate post-9/11 days.

Not the unilateralism that characterized the pre-9/11 first year of the Bush administration.

Presidential doctrines are inherently malleable and difficult to define. The only fixed "doctrines" in American history are the Monroe and the Truman doctrines, which came out of single presidential statements during administrations where there were few conflicting foreign policy crosscurrents.

Such is not the case with the Bush doctrine.

Yes, Palin didn't know what it is. But neither does Gibson. And at least she didn't pretend to know -- while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, "sounding like an impatient teacher," as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes' reaction to the phenom who presumes to play on their stage.

Posted by: Scott | September 13, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Would some of you gloabal warming "know it alls" please start making some predictions so we can begin checking your accuracy as to what will happen in the future? This is a challenge to all your most brilliant minds. Predict something, show your accuracy rating and I might believe you.

Posted by: Ron | September 13, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Marist 09/05 - 09/08 805 RV 48 45 Obama +3
Fairleigh Dickinson 09/04 - 09/07 872 LV 47 41 Obama +6
Quinnipiac 08/04 - 08/10 1468 LV 51 41 Obama +10
Rasmussen 08/04 - 08/04 500 LV 52 42 Obama +10
Monmouth/Gannett 07/17 - 07/21 698 LV 50 36 Obama +14

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Look out below....there goes New Jersey!
14pt lead down to margin of error in 6wks.
Looks like Sarah's wowing them in Secaucus....and Seattle and Helena Montana and Raleigh NC, and...

Hey Democrats, how's that "Western Strategy" working out against the Senator from Arizona and The Governor of Alaska? Not so well, huh? I suppose to win you'll have to go after NC and Georgia again...oops.

Election 2008 Latest Polls
Friday, September 12
Race Poll Results Spread
Missouri Rasmussen McCain 51, Obama 46 McCain +5
Oklahoma Rasmussen McCain 63, Obama 32 McCain +31
Washington Rasmussen Obama 49, McCain 47 Obama +2

Ohio Univ. of Cinci McCain 48, Obama 44 McCain +4

Thursday, September 11
Race Poll Results Spread
Ohio InAdv/PollPosition McCain 48, Obama 47 McCain +1
Florida InAdv/PollPosition McCain 50, Obama 42 McCain +8
Michigan InAdv/PollPosition Obama 44, McCain 45 McCain +1

Colorado InAdv/PollPosition Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
Georgia InAdv/PollPosition McCain 56, Obama 38 McCain +18
Nevada InAdv/PollPosition McCain 46, Obama 45 McCain +1
Wyoming Rasmussen McCain 58, Obama 39 McCain +19
Alaska Rasmussen McCain 64, Obama 33 McCain +31
Idaho Rasmussen McCain 68, Obama 29 McCain +39

North Carolina Research 2000 McCain 55, Obama 38 McCain +17
New Mexico Rasmussen Obama 47, McCain 49 McCain +2

Mississippi Research 2000 McCain 55, Obama 37 McCain +18
Ohio Strategic Vision (R) McCain 48, Obama 44 McCain +4
Michigan CNN/Time Obama 49, McCain 45 Obama +4
Virginia CNN/Time McCain 50, Obama 46 McCain +4
Colorado PPP (D) Obama 47, McCain 46 Obama +1
Missouri CNN/Time McCain 50, Obama 45 McCain +5

Georgia Strategic Vision (R) McCain 52, Obama 39 McCain +13


Pennsylvania Quinnipiac Obama 48, McCain 45 Obama +3

Florida Quinnipiac McCain 50, Obama 43 McCain +7


Alabama AEA/Capital Survey McCain 55, Obama 35 McCain +20
Wednesday, September 10
Race Poll Results Spread

Montana Rasmussen McCain 53, Obama 42 McCain +11
North Dakota Rasmussen McCain 55, Obama 41 McCain +14

North Carolina SurveyUSA McCain 58, Obama 38 McCain +20
Pennsylvania Strategic Vision (R) Obama 47, McCain 45 Obama +2
West Virginia MBE McCain 44, Obama 39 McCain +5

Posted by: Scott | September 13, 2008 6:32 AM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe"

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Posted by: 69c13ydik3 | September 13, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

Palin is a lying Rove puppet!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 3:30 AM | Report abuse

Grab a moose or a wolf and fight it to survive idiot, without a rifle.
Be a preditor real time as nature intended or Shhhhhhhhhh.

Posted by: Justadad55+ | September 13, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

I Farted!

Charge me for one carbon credit please!

Posted by: Brainwashed | September 13, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

To Katie Dear, and your blog, and my reply, Go one to one with a animal, with your lipstick and nails. Then I could agree with you, but no ammo, guns my dear. Be a wild women.

Give up on the killing animals arguments. I have heard enough of that Liberal bull to.
Animals kill each other in the wild and man has been eating meat since the beginning of time. Good greaf!
A friend of mine said the other day that a person is a Liberal when they are a teenager but then they grow up and become a conservative! I agree!
SarhQ- I am 47 and sick of Liberal whiners who have done nothing but destroy this country with their whiny ways. You need to grow up!

Posted by: Katie | September 12, 2008 8:19 PM

Posted by: justada55+ | September 13, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Well said bam

Posted by: brock101 | September 13, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE QUIT WRITING ARTICLES ON THIS WOMAN UNTIL SHE CAN GIVE UNSCRIPTED INTERVIEWS TO THE MEDIA AND ANSWER TOUGH QUESTIONS WITHOUT A SECURITY SQUAD.

BACK TO THE ISSUES, WHICH SHE DOESN'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.

YOU TRULY ARE A NATION OF SHEEP. RACIST IGNORANT SHEEP WHO'S ECONOMY AND POSITION IN THE WORLD IS DECLINING DUE TO YOUR FACSINATION WITH SPARKLY PRETTY THINGS.

HAVE FUN RUNNING YOUR COUNTRY INTO THE GROUND. THE WHOLE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT YOU CONSIDERING VOTING FOR THE 3RD PRESIDENT BUSH. AMERICANS ARE BECOMING INCREASINGLY IRRELEVANT.

Posted by: Bam | September 13, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

What kind circus is this? I do not like Palin and when I have children I will point her out as an example of what not to be.

Posted by: Most Americans believe the TV | September 13, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

No one can put down Palin. But mother nature is now hunting and Alaska is next. To bad and so sad it is Texas.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 13, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Marist 09/05 - 09/08 805 RV 48 45 Obama +3
Fairleigh Dickinson 09/04 - 09/07 872 LV 47 41 Obama +6
Quinnipiac 08/04 - 08/10 1468 LV 51 41 Obama +10
Rasmussen 08/04 - 08/04 500 LV 52 42 Obama +10
Monmouth/Gannett 07/17 - 07/21 698 LV 50 36 Obama +14

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Look out below....there goes New Jersey!
14pt lead down to margin of error in 6wks.
Looks like Sarah's wowing them in Secaucus.

Posted by: Scott | September 12, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Palins alledged affair http://www.theveep.com

McCain throws his BlackBerry (phone)
http://www.mccanes.com

Get the full Story on Bristol Palins Dude
Levi http://www.hotpres.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

crusader.mike
you are so misinformed its painful. If you want to get a taste of how science makes progress go read some books on the philosophy of science. what you are describing isnt science but scientific revolution. They are MUCH rarer than normal everyday workings. Go read a book called "Structures of Scientific Revolutions" by Kuhn and you'll see what I mean. Normal everyday Science is done by PEER REVIEW (consensus) and DUPLICATION. Notice that word "Peer?" Many think this means the average person...but I'm sorry to tell everyone that when you have one or more PhD's and have studied a branch of science (or any other field) for decades your so called list of "peers" is much fewer. This means that your opinion means NOTHING. It doesn't matter if you don't believe in climate change because you probably wouldn't even understand the primary research that is conducted to show that it is occurring. You are not the one who is tasked with reviewing and verifying these studies. The majority of Americans are instead reading tertiary sources (not even secondary)...or worse than that. They are reading somebody's interpretation, of an interpretation, etc. So by the time it gets to person X...the people might have completely distorted what the original study was saying. Then people like the ones in these comments like to quote their names, their degrees, and whatever else, and simply say that they have such and such opinion. This isn't science, this isnt good research, heck it's not even a good way to live one's life.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Puten is shaking in his boots. Sarah Palin is the new sheriff in town
with first dude todd. End of days crowd are partying like their is no tomorrow.

Posted by: brock101 | September 12, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

As an independent, it seems like the journalists dont like her. I think that Palin is like me, an everyday middle american. I feel like the journalists are picking on me when they attack the poor girl. I never though that the media is biased until now. Im still undecided,
My voting record:
92- Perot
96- Clinton
00- Bush
04- Nader
08 ???????

Posted by: FL Resident | September 12, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

This woman is all smokescreen and beauty-queen assertive posturing, with absolutely no substance.

Posted by: frank burns | September 12, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"Show me where I have ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change. I have not said that."

Huh?

Posted by: frank burns | September 12, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Katie is a fake P.U.M.A. right wing hack.

Posted by: brock101 | September 12, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

There is some breaking news up there in Wasilla Alaska, dearies.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — "The abuse of power investigation against Sarah Palin, Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate, took a potentially ominous turn for her party on Friday when state lawmakers voted to subpoena her husband.

Republican efforts to delay the probe until after the Nov. 4 election were thwarted when GOP State Sen. Charlie Huggins, who represents Palin's hometown of Wasilla, sided with Democrats. "Let's just get the facts on the table," said Huggins, who appeared in camouflage pants to vote during a break from moose hunting."

Apparently we have another Charlie who is going to give Sarah some trouble: Charlie Huggins. THIS Charlie is going to be the next true BLUE American hero. Charlie Huggins is a member of Sarah Palin's church. He teaches Sunday school. He is a decorated Viet Nam Vet and a member of the Alaska State Legislature, who originally hails from Florida. But more importantly, he is an HONEST REPUBLICAN. Thank God that breed isn't extinct yet.

Thank GOD.

I don't think we EVER have to worry about Sarah Palin becoming vice president. I could be wrong. Call it a hunch. I think she is as crooked as they come, and I think Charlie Huggins knows something we DON'T about Sarah Palin.

How many CHARLIES are there in this twisted tale, might I ask??

Posted by: lindsay | September 12, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Hockey mom is going to get us all killed.

Posted by: brock101 | September 12, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The globe has NOT warmed in the last ten years, and yet carbon emissions have risen steadily. I think that pretty much debunks the man-made global warming theory. Sorry consensus lovers. What are you going to say when it gets colder?

Posted by: Totalkaosdave | September 12, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Martha you need to get a clue. McCain sold his soul to the devil can't you see he hired the same outfit that destroyed his campaign in 2000. He should have won, but some simple minded fool beat him out.

Posted by: brock101 | September 12, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama is rediculously disrespectful to women. He doesn't care about anyone other than his anti-american wife and radical friends.

Posted by: martha | September 12, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I would rather win an election then tell the truth. McBush Palinopoly 08

Posted by: brock101 | September 12, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes its as basic as being HOT!

If it was any other woman, would we be in such a heat?

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: vic | September 12, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Palin continues to contradict herself, look at her record and you can see for yourself where all of her misstatements lie and the only thing that McCain wants to change is whatever he needs to change to get elected. Human caused global climate change is real and we have to act now if we are going to leave our children and grandchildren with a world worth living in. The US, as a leader, should be standing up and making hard, concrete changes that will not only help protect the environment but will have the nice side affect of freeing the country from its dangerous dependence on foreign oil, and on oil itself. Drilling is not the answer, finding dependable alternatives to oil is the answer. Oh yeah, that will also generate jobs and help improve our economy.

Listen to Obama - this is one of the changes that he advocates. McCain has no new policies, the mavericks have the same views, and the same plans as the ones that are already in place.

And at this point earmarks are not our biggest problem with the federal budget. A little thing called THE WAR has helped to give us the biggest deficit we have ever had. Right now, our children will be paying for that as well. It's time to stop a war built on lies and start focusing on the real problems.

And by the way, to Katie who is still ever so upset that Bill Clinton lied about an affair - look at Bush, he lied about the reasons that he took this country to war. Any sane person who had to judge which one is worse has to see that a lie that has cost countless lives and billions of dollars is the more serious of the two. Our economy flourished and this country was at peace while Clinton was president and we need someone that will not follow Bush's policies to turn this country around.

Posted by: Liz | September 12, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

> The sexist liberal hate machine is self destructing.

Just watch & see how bad the sexism is:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=Sarah-Palin-Gender-Card

Oh. Except they're conservative Republicans.

Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

reason: "...sexist liberal hate machine..."

... THANK you SO much! I laughed so hard
my titties got in a knot!

Posted by: SarahQuayle | September 12, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I saw a portion of the Sarah Palin interview, and all I can say is what an airhead. She shoots animals from helicopters, what is going to happen when she controls missles.

This fanatic on abortion control would not even allow a woman who is raped or the victim of incest to have a abortion.

I sincerely hope this country wakes up before it is too late. We as a national cannot take another Republican administration. Look what Bush did, couldn't find WMD, took us into a war and lied doing it. Taylored his intelligence estimates to fit the lie and as long as it is your son or daughter being killed, he does not care. I say, grab his daughters put their ass in a uniform and send them to Iraq for a year, war over.

Posted by: Dale Moore | September 12, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse


The sexist liberal hate machine is self destructing.

Gov. Palin did very well with a hostile interview. Obama would have crumbled. All of america could see Gibson's elitist attitude and it discusted us.

It just means more votes for McCain as the liberal media shoots itself.

Posted by: reason | September 12, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

> As far as global warming goes, it is going to happen no matter how much we clean up the earth since it is a natural process. DUH!

Disease is a natural process too, but we still manage to cure people. And no one plans to give up & go quietly. There may be ways around Global Warming yet. And even if we can't stop it, we have to prepare, unless you want to pay for more disasters like Hurricane Katrina.

Here, read up:

http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-07/ff_geoengineering

Mind you, that plan was later found to have big downsides:

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/04/geoengineering.html

But people aren't going to give up just because one idea failed. The reason they want us to cut back on emissions is to buy more time to prepare and to create a more permanent fix.

> Stop being such sheep and believing everything you are told and do some research of your own.

I have.

But then, I hold a BSc degree that forced me to study organic & inorganic chemistry; Newtonian, nuclear & relativistic physics; numerical analysis, differential equations, set theory & other advanced mathematics; computer programming; Christianity; and a bit of law & politics.

So I've done quite a lot of research, actually, and am more than qualified to comment on scientific matters.

Where do you get your information from, if I may ask?

Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

> Joe! I have listened to the candidates and then the press and have heard so many inconsistencies by the press.

I've listened to the candidates and seen them have inconsistencies with themselves! McCain is my Senator, I've been voting for him for the past decade. I've always been a Republican.

But I kid you not, the man has CHANGED. I honestly don't know what he stands for right now. Three years ago, he discarded everything he ever believed in to run for President. I know. I've been here for all his past election campaigns.

> The press is big time left wing. Read yourself and then you make your own decision. It is also a well known fact that CNN is left wing.

I have. CNN is not "left wing" (though some of the commentators are liberals). I'm not too focused on which channel is "liberal" or "conservative", I focus on which channel is correct or incorrect. Facts, not "bias." No one can prove claims of bias, but you can prove claims of fact. If someone tells me they stand for one thing and then says they stand for something else, I notice!

But I don't need to listen to the media to have them tell me about who McCain is. I know who he is. Or rather, who he was.

I know what he told us when he was trying to get elected down here. So, naturally, I noticed how much it changed when he wanted to get elected President.

Just out of curiosity, what does the McCain you plan to vote for stand for? I'd just like to know which McCain has your vote, because now that he's running for President, I know two of them...

Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

You Obama supporters must not feel very confident about your choice otherwise you wouldn't waste your time slamming Palin, you would be out supporting Obama any way you can. As far as global warming goes, it is going to happen no matter how much we clean up the earth since it is a natural process. DUH! Stop being such sheep and believing everything you are told and do some research of your own.

Posted by: Katie | September 12, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Amy - part of the problem in this country is that people go with their gut instead of being curious enough to know what the candidate represents. e.g. "he looks like a guy you can have a drink with" - this was about bush.
I looked into his soul and saw that he was a decent man" - Bush about Putin.

We should encourage debate, understand what these candidates bring to their table, what makes them tick and then elect them.

Posted by: Wolf | September 12, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

There is a black man running for the office of President of the United States.

Can you see really see him or do you only see the distorted mirror image of your own dark souls?

Posted by: invisibleman | September 12, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Katie - do yourself a favor - read about who owns what newspaper/channel and then comment. Also, see how many of the erstwhile members of the Bush adminstration (GW & W) are showing up as "advisors" or "experts" on these channels.

Posted by: Wolf | September 12, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

independent heart,

I agree with you. I do not believe that it is a bad thing to "flip-flop." There are moments in our lives that we make a decision then see the whole picture and change our mind. Isn't that the point of debate and discussions? At the beginning, I really did see myself drawn to Obama and his message. However, in the last few weeks I have seen his words rid of indignation. It doesn't seem like a very control, composed person to do whats best for the people. We need to see someone who can handle stress. Deep down Obama doesn't seem right.

Posted by: Amy | September 12, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Joe! I have listened to the candidates and then the press and have heard so many inconsistencies by the press. The press is big time left wing. Read yourself and then you make your own decision. It is also a well known fact that CNN is left wing.

Posted by: Katie | September 12, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

> Both inexperienced with Palin have better edge with real executive responsibilities

Does that include spending $2 million on crab porn? Does it really take $2 million of *federal* tax dollars to make videos of crabs having sex? Source:

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/FFY09%20Summary%20of%20Fed%20Request.pdf

Or the time Palin said she commanded the national guard, except that she never gave them any actual orders? Source:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080903/pl_mcclatchy/3035478

They're focusing on Palin because she lies so much. Some "Christian," huh? Wasn't "Thou shalt NOT bear false witness" in there somewhere?

Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"why is the media and Obama guns so fixated on Palin"

independent heart - i don't know if they are fixated or not but the way i look at it, the stakes are way too high for McCain to pull somebody who has not been vetted properly in this election. If she has the experience, why is she not talking to the media - think of any CEO refusing to talk to his investors - how long do you think he's going to have the job? same concept here. Part of the issue here is that one on side we are told she's ultra-tough and can't handle what the world throws at her and on the other,she's protected from the big bad media. Wake up - the media attention here is NOTHING compared to what the world media is and if she gets elected, she has to be up there answering questions not hiding and expecting deference from them.

Posted by: Wolf | September 12, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, it is interesting to note that America had a strong Nazi party prior to WWII. Now I know where they all went. ;)

Posted by: theyneverleft | September 12, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

My God you liberal Obama Tools at the WP have a serious jones for Ms. Palin don't you. How about getting off her rear end for a minute and doing some objective journalistic work on your boy Barry? Might be a nice change of pace. Being fair and/or balanced that is. Get a life.

Posted by: Tom Jefferson | September 12, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

> Quite recently there was a "consensus" that the Earth is flat.

That's a bad argument against global warming. There was no such "consensus" recently or otherwise and the "fact" that there was is a ridiculous, but popular, myth.

The Ancient Greeks managed to get a reasonably good estimate of the circumference of the Earth. And Columbus was never opposed on the grounds that the Earth was flat, they were worried that the circumference of the Earth was much larger than he thought it was. And they were RIGHT about that. Columbus was nearly out of fresh water & supplies (which is why they were worried). If America hadn't been in the way, they'd have all died.

The only real debate was whether the antipodes were inhabited. And it so happened they were. They didn't realize that because they had no way of knowing there had been a land bridge on the other side, through Alaska, and they didn't think anyone had advanced sailing as much as they had.

If you want a better example, at least use Heliocentrism. Then again, the reason people didn't believe that is because they couldn't see the Earth moving and they had no way to detect parallax in the stars. It wasn't because they were stupid! On the contrary, they had good reasons to think what they thought and no one had yet produced evidence that they were wrong. But people still believe old propaganda produced during the Enlightenment, because they're ignorant of what things were like before Newton's discoveries...

I don't know where you studied history, but I studied this back in college.

Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

why is the media and Obama guns so fixated on Palin? Because Palin serves up easy comparison for common folks to expose the inadequacy of their idol. Both inexperienced with Palin have better edge with real executive responsibilities while the other have only great talking experience with no action. Both flip flopped. Don't tell me Obama never flip-flopped. Though that's a minus in most voter's mind, I happened to think that's a quality that a matured politician should possess. The world is not static. The world is not simple black and white but colorful with gradients of hues. One has to decide based on what's the best for the time and for the given conditions. Simpltons like Bush usually doesn't flip flop and perfectly happy to grind the country into worthless dirts. Back to Palin and Obama, Palin connects with real people, people with family problems, people with life struggle, people who have to work hard to build their American dream. Obama connects with celebrities and the media and the washington politician. Palin acted to make change. Obama talked about change but in bed with Washington and the media. No wonder they have to get rid of Palin. The more Palin on spotlight, the more ridiculous it looks that democrat picked Obama rather than Hillary. But the error they make is the more attack on Palin, the more spotlight they will give to Palin and accordingly more people with compare Obama and Palin and say, Gee, she's only for VP and already much better than the other guy for P, seems which ticket is better deal for the money is easier to tell now. The far left can keep whining and direct more canon to shoot at Palin, but the effect will be shooting Obama where it hurts.

Posted by: independent heart | September 12, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

God save us from this woman's ignorance.

Posted by: Eraticus | September 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

> I don't believe anything the press says

Katie, just who do you get your information from? The politicians?

There's this nice thing called Google News (news.google.com). It doesn't take very long to see how differently everyone is reporting the same story. And it's not too hard to figure out which side is out to lunch if you do a bit more searching.

Frankly, your comments show you to be someone who believes whatever they've determined to believe and who refuses to examine any evidence that they might be wrong. ALL scientists say that there are both man-made and natural parts of Global Warming, unless you think they don't believe in the Sun (or think it's man-made...).

If you want to convince people of something, bring some facts. We've got plenty of opinions to go around.

Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Anchorage Daily News:

"Sen. John McCain's choice of a running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, favors drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, questioned the science behind predictions of sea ice loss linked to global warming and opposed a state initiative that would have banned metal mines from discharging pollution into salmon streams.

The Alaska governor has said that she has tried to persuade McCain to agree with her on drilling in the wildlife refuge. She also has said that she was happy that he changed his position over the summer and now supports offshore oil drilling.

In oil-rich Alaska, many residents support Arctic Refuge drilling.

Palin's environmental views could get more of an airing now that she has landed on the national stage. A look at some recent developments and her record so far in Alaska provide some insights into her thinking about climate change and other issues.

Earlier this month, the state of Alaska under Palin's guidance sued Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne in an attempt to reverse his decision to list polar bears as a threatened species. Palin said that scientists' predictions that global warming will eliminate the ice where the bears live in summer were unreliable.

Arctic sea ice shrank to a record low by the end of last summer, and satellites now show that the ice has been reduced to a level very close to last year's with some days remaining before a new winter season begins.


The Anchorage Daily News reported in May that the head of the marine mammals program for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game and two other marine mammal biologists on his staff agreed with nine studies the federal government cited to justify listing polar bears as a threatened species.

Their e-mail appeared to contradict Palin's assertions that state wildlife officials had found no reason to list the bears as threatened under the Endangered Species Act. Palin wrote in January that she based her opposition to listing the bears on "a comprehensive review by state wildlife officials of scientific information from a broad range of climate, ice and polar bear experts."

Palin created a commission to plan for how the state will try to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions and plan to adapt to warming, but she hasn't set any emission reduction goals for Alaska.

"It's like asking somebody to construct a stadium without giving them a blueprint," said Kate Troll, the director of Alaska Conservation Voters.

Recently, Palin publicly said she would vote no on a state initiative that said no large metal mines would be permitted to pollute streams where salmon spawn. The initiative was aimed at the Pebble mine near Bristol Bay, a major fishery. Voters defeated it on Tuesday.

Palin hasn't made a definitive statement about the mine, but the initiative was targeted at it.

Troll said Palin has been a supporter of state funding for renewable energy initiatives, but has a "failing record" on wildlife.

She also said the governor supports hunting wolves and bears from the air to reduce predation on moose and differs with environmentalists on a number of wildlife issues.

The League of Conservation Voters, an advocacy group that backs pro-environment candidates, said it was disappointed with McCain's choice.

"Unfortunately, with her support for drilling in the Arctic Refuge and off our coasts, Governor Palin will simply continue the failed policies of the Bush-Cheney administration and their Big Oil friends -- policies that could make us even more dependent on foreign oil," League of Conservation Voters president Gene Karpinski said in a statement.

Posted by: Daniel | September 12, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh my God! Palin is right again! Global Warming is God's will, as our soldiers dying in Iraq, 5,000 of us dying in 9/11, and the lynching of people with the same skin color as the skin color of the "evil we cannot speak the name"!
I will surely vote for her, because I am an Al-Qaeda supporter and to vote for her is the fastest way to see the USA dying next year from the worse economic depression, since... THE DEPRESSION!
But, she is ALWAYS right! Everything she says is God's word and MUST be followed as a command!
Down with the communist 4th Amendment and 13th Amendment! Palin FOR PRESIDENT FOREVER!

Posted by: Palin is always right | September 12, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

future generations will come to recognize that any chance we had of saving our world as we know it ended when George Bush and the RNC stole the 2000 election from Al Gore. The Republicans now conduct campaigns in a way that would draw the admiration of Himmler. They have destroyed what was once a great nation for everyone and handed it over to the rich. CEO's in this country make 500 x or more than the average worker in their company while the Germans and Japanese make about 25-30 x more. The Republicans and the rich have stolen the American dream. George Bush and his people are America's Taliban. They had a Repulican President, Republican Congress (both houses) and a right wing Supreme Court. Did we get Camelot? No we were handed an 8 year long national train wreck, Larry Craig and Ted Stevens.

Think me a liberal? Negative, in fact I used to be a Republican. This is not the same Republican Party that I was a member of. There would be no room in todays party for the likes of Nelson Rockefellar for instance. I'm a US Navy Vietnam era Veteran and was proud to serve my country. Now I am ashamed of the things done in our name that are against the very core of what we are supposed to be.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

So which 1/3 are you in Bubba? Or are you just above it all?

Posted by: Frank | September 12, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Too bad I can not vote in this country... I would vote for Palin -- she is probably one of last few rational thinkers in US government. Not a dreaming kid who promises 80% of reduction of "harmful" CO2.

To those who like their imaginary "consensus" -- science is not made by consensus. Quite recently there was a "consensus" that the Earth is flat. Billions of flies find crap tasty... Go eat crap, losers.

Posted by: crusader.mike | September 12, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Global warnming exists. If this is not the result the the human activities promoted for the past half century by the mammon worshiping moral degenerates of the oil industry is not the cause, why is He currently smiting Houston? And don't tell me it's the gays, everybody knows that's why He smote New Orleans. Of course one doesn't need to believe that there is Divine Intervention in the Houston disaster to appreciate the irony of global warming caused by a disaterous overuse of hydrocarbons, raising the tempature of the oceans and increasing the SEVERITY (though not the number) of hurricanes making this disaster far worse.

Posted by: Phrank | September 12, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

The issue isn't really whether or not humans are causing global warming, the issue is that Palin is a flip-flopper made up of half-truths.

Posted by: Paul | September 12, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Truth - Barack Obama and Sarah Palin are both in a "learning mode". John McCain and Joe Biden are "tenured professors".

The Difference - John McCain and Barack Obama are running for President? Not Joe Biden or Sarah Palin.

Change - What kind of change do you want? More Government or Better Government?

YOU CHOOSE?

Posted by: Randy | September 12, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

“Sarah Palin has one of the most anti-environment records of any governor in the United States. She has supported oil drilling in some of the most ecologically sensitive areas in Alaska, even when it meant sacrificing polar bears, beluga whales, and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Despite her advocacy for expanded oil and gas drilling, Palin has done almost nothing to promote the clean energy sources that can help solve global warming, which is already having major negative consequences in her state. That shouldn't be surprising since she started her campaign by denying the reality of man-made global warming.

“In a way, this is an appropriate choice for John McCain, who has rapidly abandoned his environmental principles and adopted the agenda of the oil executives backing his campaign.”

Posted by: Tony | September 12, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is what she's been saying...."Thanks, but no thanks, Sarah!"

Posted by: CrazyEddie | September 12, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

When did moveon.org acquire the Post? Liberal Looneys line up, one after the other, to make personal attacks and issue falsehoods, all in response to article after article focusing on Sarah Palin. No facts are necessary, just name calling and criticizing. You want a free country, but won't allow others to be free to have their own religion, beliefs, or political bent - all the while throwing around the word "facist" like you have an iota of understanding of what one is. You folks really need to get a clue.

Posted by: Egads | September 12, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Palin denied that she ever said "there's absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change." That is completely consistent with her earlier statements, where she said she was not "blaming the changes in our climate on human activity" and does not "attribute it to being man-made." There's a difference between saying humans may contribute to climate change saying they are to blame for climate change (or that climate change is man made). It appears Ms.Juliet Eilperin is making in inaccurate comparison of the statements.

Posted by: Robert | September 12, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

This Palin politician lies every time she opens her mouth. And so do the party hacks who are supporting her. And I don't see what's so partisan about pointing that out. Just imagining this woman sitting in the Oval Office as the President of the United States is beyond belief. Have the Republicans lost their minds?

Posted by: Matt | September 12, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

> so far BO gets media to dedend for and to attack his opponents 80/90 percent of the time

That's because Obama is not lying. McCain has been called a liar by every single reputable newspaper for his latest lies.

McCain lost to Bush in 2000 because he ran an honest campaign. This time, McCain hired one of Bush's guys, a student of Karl Rove. This man was the one who started vicious, racist rumors about McCain's own children. McCain wants to win at any cost and I guess he doesn't care about his family any more if he's willing to do this.

Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

After getting a couple of PhD's and an MD I have some knowledge of science.

Scientific consensus is not based on citing the opinions of a few selected experts. Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.

The knowledge that rules all is PEER REVIEWED STUDIES PUBLISHED IN ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS; these are the golden oldies of science and human progress. Opinions are important and can lead to good science but testing opinions in the real work, measuring the outcomes and publishing the data is da bomb.

There happen to be approximately 4,000 published, peer reviewed scientific papers consistent with the global climate hypothesis and essentially none against. Each year more and more published evidence supports the concept and the unexplained facts keep shrinking like ice in the Arctic.

BTW, the earth has certainly cooled in the past. This is neither evidence supporting or refuting present global climate change.

Finally, it aint just the warming, it's the rapid acceleration of warming that may be especially unique and dangerous to our time---See hurricane IKE.

You are certainly welcome to reject science; I hope you enjoy your new life in a mud hut without lights, heat, running water, antibiotics and pain medicine.

Posted by: bobothedodo | September 12, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe anything the press says as I have seen them twist the truth about what a candidate has actually said to benefit their own agenda and in hopes of making the candidate they want as President to look good.

Posted by: Katie | September 12, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

After getting a couple of PhD's and an MD I have some knowledge of science.

Scientific consensus is not based on citing the opinions of a few selected experts. Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.

The knowledge that rules all is PEER REVIEWED STUDIES PUBLISHED IN ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS; these are the golden oldies of science and human progress. Opinions are important and can lead to good science but testing opinions in the real work, measuring the outcomes and publishing the data is da bomb.

There happen to be approximately 4,000 published, peer reviewed scientific papers consistent with the global climate hypothesis and essentially none against. Each year more and more published evidence supports the concept and the unexplained facts keep shrinking like ice in the Arctic.

BTW, the earth has certainly cooled in the past. This is neither evidence supporting or refuting present global climate change.

Finally, it aint just the warming, it's the rapid acceleration of warming that may be especially unique and dangerous to our time---See hurricane IKE.

You are certainly welcome to reject science; I hope you enjoy your new life in a mud hut without lights, heat, running water, antibiotics and pain medicine.

Posted by: bobothedodo | September 12, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE BARACK OBAMA TO BE PRESIDENT ARE RACIST AND JEALOUS OF A HONEST MAN.

Posted by: ANAKARONA | September 12, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"Global warming" is a force of nature.
'Thermal pollution' is man-made.
Global warming or cooling cannot be stopped, any more than an Ice Age could be stopped.
Thermal pollution can be alleviated... there is no debate.
How much thermal pollution really affects global warming is the debate. Some cities are warmer. Weather records show that some places have actually had lowering temperatures over the last 100 years. Sloppy semantics just add to confusion.
http://zfacts.com/p/49.html

Posted by: RR | September 12, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

No Katie,

That only applies to ignorant people who take on the mantle to be "cool" and without thought. Then become rich and concerned about their own well being. Some liberals, like myself are still at it at 60

Posted by: buRNed | September 12, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse


Plenty of liberals still like a good steak. Only a handful of the comments on this thread have condemned Palin for her hunting activities.

Posted by: whatever | September 12, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Katie: Most folks hold their liquor better by 47. Thank "liberals" for their sacrifices granting you the opportunity to rant so incoherently in public without "conservative" consequences. That generosity of spirit IS liberal, and central to our unique heritage. You take too much for granted.

Posted by: SarahQuayle | September 12, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

1/3 of the country is too lazy (or stupid) to explore the issues. They will vote for Obama or McCain b/c they confirm their pre-existing biases.

1/3 will not vote.

1/3 pretend to care about issues but, it seems, would rather trash the other side and call names.

Face up to reality, folks. This country is terminally spoiled and headed toward an economic meltdown. It is the only thing that can change our behaviors and thinking (and, therefore I'm conflicted about whether I think this is good or bad); otherwise, you might want to practice up on your Mandarin and French. The one thing I DO know is that we will have earned whatever fate is in store.

Oh, and it isn't global warming it is "global climate change." Undeniable evidence of man's activity: CO2 levels. If you can't follow the science on this one then you're in camp #1 above.

Sad and soggy in Texas.
Bubba Tex

Posted by: Bubba Tex | September 12, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow, no surprise--Palin has been a outspoken whackjob for years, and now she's trying to cover all that up? And she thinks that she'll be able to? It's all Doubleplusgood!

Posted by: Mark | September 12, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

When will she start denying denying denying?

@Katie: If you're so concerned about animals, then why did Palin pay $2 million to have biologists take video of crabs having sex? After all their talk about wasteful earmarks, why should we be paying tons of money for Palin's crab porn?

Read the budget yourself if you don't believe me:

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/FFY09%20Summary%20of%20Fed%20Request.pdf

Just take care to note that the line is measured in "thousands of dollars" or you'll be off by three orders of magnitude.

Posted by: H | September 12, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an obamanation anyone read the book? I'm no fan of the new McCain, but Obama has no more substance than Palin, did you see the O'reilly interview? Liberals should unite and vote NADER!

Posted by: jglass berg | September 12, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin blasts Clean Water initiative. Friday, Aug. 22, 2008,

I don't know about anyone else here, but for me this is a big minus for Sarah Palin when it comes to her judgment on corporate regulation, and protecting the environment.

I want to know why she would side with an industry that stands to give little back to the state of Alaska, while at the same time threatens one of Alaska's largest industries--commercial fishing--and stands to be an enormous environmental hazard?

Sarah Palin, bad for Alaska, bad for America; but good for multi-national corporations

What is the proposed Pebble Mine and where would it be located?
A: If approved, the Pebble Mine would be the world’s largest open pit copper/gold mine. It would straddle the headwaters of Southwestern Alaska’s Bristol Bay—the world’s largest salmon fishery. Three streams converge at the mine site, which are the headwaters of two larger river systems that feed Bristol Bay—the Nushagak and the Kvichak Rivers. The Kvichak generates the largest sockeye salmon run in the world and typically represents 30% of the total Alaska sockeye catch. Anglo American has proposed draining the upper feeder streams of these rivers in order to construct the mine.

In this area, they plan to build the world’s largest tailings dam to hold the toxic mining waste. The development would also include facilities such as an airstrip, fuel depot, truck wash, sewage treatment plant, tailings ponds, office buildings, living quarters, a port, access road, power line, pipeline, and more. In a normal year, the mine would generate at least 20 billion gallons of runoff contaminated by sediment, acid rock drainage, and other toxins.

If Pebble is approved, a copper smelter would likely be constructed and other mines are poised to open in the area, with a combined coverage of more than 1,000 square miles.

Q: Why is the proposed Pebble Mine of such concern to the Clean Water initiative’s sponsors?

A: There has never been a large-scale mine of this type that has not polluted the surrounding water. And, no large-scale metallic mine has ever been built in an area that is so environmentally sensitive and hostile to mining. There are several factors that make this area especially vulnerable. Specifically:

On average, there is 40 inches of precipitation each year, and the water table is at or near ground level. Water management issues are extremely challenging, making it difficult if not impossible to effectively manage the waste.
The proposed tailings dam would be 750 ft high and 4.3 miles wide, containing a 14-mile long lake of toxic effluent from the concentrator plant. The toxic waste in this dam would have to be safeguarded forever.
The overburden dumps will never stop generating acid drainage or stop leaching heavy metals; therefore, perpetual monitoring and maintenance of both the tailings dam and the dumps would be necessary.

The Pebble site is located in one of the most seismically active areas in the world with one of the highest frequencies of earthquakes. The proposed tailings dam, holding back billions of tons of toxic waste, will inevitably fail, with devastating consequences.
Toxic metals are used in the mining process, including cyanide, which is used to extract gold. Other toxins are created as part of the mining process itself.

Salmon eggs are sensitive to toxins in the water, sedimentation, changes in PH levels, and changes in water temperature. Pebble Mine would not only dump toxins into the water and lower PH levels, but would likely deposit sediment into spawning areas, which raises the water temperature and covers the eggs so they cannot hatch. In addition, adult salmon are sensitive to even low levels of copper. All of it adds up to disaster for salmon.

How will stopping Pebble Mine impact the Alaska economy?

A: Tax Revenue: The tax rate in mining is less than 0.1% according to the Alaska Department of Natural Resources. In the last 10 years, the Alaska gold mining industry has realized a profit of $1.2 billion, which has meant an average of $120,000/year in the State’s coffers—hardly more than the cost of one regulator. The mining industry has received far more in public subsidies than they will ever pay in income taxes. By contrast, in 2006, those involved in Bristol Bay fishing paid $2.5 million in local taxes.

Mining Jobs: Currently the hard rock mining industry directly employs 1,516 workers according to a recent presentation made by the mining industry to the Alaska State Legislature. Four out of five of these mines are foreign-owned.

Fishing and Hunting Jobs: By comparison, the Bristol Bay commercial fishery generates from $250-400 million per year, and much of that stays in Alaska, and most of it stays in the U.S. An average of 8,600 fisherman and processing workers are employed in the Bristol Bay Fishery alone. The Safari Club International estimates that sport hunting in Alaska generates 10,000 jobs which is more than the Anchorage airport; hunters in Alaska annually spend $622 million, which is equal to 89% of the State’s gross manufacturing revenue; and Alaska sport fishing generates $530 million and creates 8,000 jobs.

-Alaskans for Clean Water.

Stop Sarah Palin before she destroys the environment for all of us.

Posted by: Stop the madness | September 12, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Give up on the killing animals arguments. I have heard enough of that Liberal bull to.
Animals kill each other in the wild and man has been eating meat since the beginning of time. Good greaf!
A friend of mine said the other day that a person is a Liberal when they are a teenager but then they grow up and become a conservative! I agree!
SarhQ- I am 47 and sick of Liberal whiners who have done nothing but destroy this country with their whiny ways. You need to grow up!

Posted by: Katie | September 12, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

STOP MCSAME TO BE PRESIDENT!THAT GUY IS THIRSTY OF BLOOD HELP! SAVE THAT GREAT NATION.ONCE UPON A TIME UNITED STATES WAS A GREAT NATION...

Posted by: ANAKARONA | September 12, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Palin is not nearly qualified to be VP. Not by a long haul!

God help us if they get in office!

Obama is far more intellegent then either of them!

Obama and Biden have done their homework. They know the steps to take to put our country in the right direction. McCain has no plan. I have not heard him say one thing that will benefit our country. He just says catch phrases and trys to be the flavor of the week.

Oh and how many times did mccain use the term "Lipstick on a pig"? Give me a break with that crap already. Its such a political stunt to make obama look bad. I dont think many our buying it.

Obama Biden 08!

Posted by: Stan | September 12, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Err Independent Heart - Check PolitiFact and see how many outright lies have been made by each candidate before you make statements like these.

Posted by: Wolf | September 12, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Katie:

"Every time I think of Clinton and the scandal that surrounded him in Office I am totally disgusted."

You're still thinking that the Lewinsky affair is on par with lying about WMDs to get approval for a war?

"Their has been nothing but a smear campaign going on by the media against McCain from the beginning..."

McCain's own hypocrisy should condemn him. I have heard this man make some very enlightened remarks about the dangers of the military industrial complex (as originally described by Eisenhower in his farewell address), yet he falls in step with GWB on all of the saber-rattling tirades. Who has taken the most statements out of context so far and distorted them to manufacture a foul... McCain.

Posted by: whatever | September 12, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/hed-rather-win-election-than-tell-truth.html

Friday, September 12, 2008
He'd Rather Win The Election Than Portray The Truth

John McCain ran an honorable campaign in 2000.

He was beaten due to scurrilous dishonesty.

He's learned the lesson well.

He's hired those who did this to him.

And now, they are doing it again.

McCain has said that he would rather win the war than win the election.

In fact, as we have seen time after time this week, he would apparently rather win the election than convey the truth.

This approach brought us George W. Bush--and the dissembling, half-truths, omissions and distortions to come. And the tragic consequences that have followed for individuals and families across the nation and the world.

As Americans, we often have short memories and powerful impulses. We tend to act on the latter. This is why history can repeat itself.

Remember. Remember how riled up by emotion many became last time. By impulse. Without thought. Remember the statements that were made. Remember the realities that followed. Remember.

You can feel what you feel now--anger, aggression, glee, without examination of the underlying truth--for a moment.

You will live for the consequences for years, decades--perhaps for the rest of your life.

Remember the thoughts and feelings that preceded these last 8 years.

Remember.

According to the non-partisan FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_mccain.html), McCain has strained the truth about health care. About small business. About education. About taxes. About corporate welfare. About energy independence. About free trade.

We've seen this before.

We were distracted from the truth in just the same way before.

And we've lived the consequences--for the past 8 years.

This is the way we need to change the world: By realizing what is true, rather than realizing what emotes us for the moment.

Think.

Remember.

And act accordingly for our future.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/hed-rather-win-election-than-tell-truth.html

Posted by: Cara Prado | September 12, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

If you do not believe in our role in climate change, Dam it stop your professional funding. You and your small part of the world are screwed. Get down to isssues and shut off the TV at times.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 12, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

so far BO gets media to dedend for and to attack his opponents 80/90 percent of the time. The media (and BO's supporters) even make up stories in their smearing. They could go so low as asking Chelsea about her father's scandal. They have no shame and they made Rove looking like students. When something too good to be true, it usually is, so is the case for BO. When people with agenda try to tell you orange is green, you know they try to sell you a lemon. In a heavily biased election eight years ago, we got Bush. In a heavily biased sentiment created by the media in the name of patriotism, we got into Iraq war. In a 180 degree reversal to attract the far left by the media, we destroyed the candidacy of a much more worthy democratic women candidate with experience. If the mainstream media is more fair and objective as it's journalism suppose to call for, if BO's supporter are not so vicious in attacks and name calling, I may just vote for BO. But they now make McCain/Palin look much better characters. Character does matter. One may know science, but it's what do you do or not do with science that matters, as no politician is real scientist. Someone else may not know so much about science, but they may listen to scientist and make wise decisions. I believe in McCain/Palin on that because of their character. Why BO didn't get any tough questions? Tell me anything that he's done that went against his own party as the right thing to do, rather than just shouting change to serve as step stone for his career. Folks, that's character, plain and simple.

Posted by: independent heart | September 12, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Isn't "Kelvinator" a brand of appliance? Perhaps a refigerator? Hmmmm?

Posted by: GeeTee | September 12, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Katie: Isn't it past your bedtime?

Posted by: SarahQuayle | September 12, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

We need to get the word out on Sarah Palin's wolf-killing record.

Sarah Palin has a brutal record of slaughtering wildlife, and she hopes to continue in her killing ways - - in particular, her very active and extensive promotion of aerial hunting of not just wolves, but bears also.


Last week, Defenders of Wildlife released an informational video concerning Sarah Palin's record and stance on wildlife, wolves in particular. I created a link for it in last week's post, and it is available here for you to view. More than 68,000 people viewed the Defenders of Wildlife video which was posted at YouTube.

Defenders of Wildlife has now created a powerful television piece that will educate everyone concerning Governor Palin’s efforts to kill wolves and bears. But guess what? It will cost money to do so. Please, please, please help Defenders of Wildlife do what they do best: Defend wildlife! Don't forget that this is our wildlife, our country, and our world. We live here, and all forms of life deserve the right occupy this place with us. Moreover, we have a responsibility to care for and protect them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5JZgtYy6oA

Please help get the truth out. It is the only way to educate people on issues that they may know nothing about. More importantly, it is our only hope to possibly change the hearts of those who think they know what is going on, and therefore, they are just fine with aerial hunting of these beautiful creatures.

Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin has proposed payment of a $150 bounty for the foreleg of each dead wolf.

The aerial hunting program she vigorously promotes has already killed nearly 800 wolves.

Sarah Palin has opposed efforts to save America’s polar bears from extinction, and she has fought against efforts to save some of the world’s most endangered beluga whales.

Governor Palin has sided with Big Oil, mining companies, wealthy trophy hunters, and other entrenched special interests in support of policies that would greatly harm and potentially cause extinction of the wild animals that we so treasure.


Join the fight for the wolves and all wildlife. They're not just my wolves and my wildlife. They are yours, too.

Save the Wolves Now!


Posted by: Valerie | September 12, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks Obama is on the up and up is a moron. I don't think he is making a wise choice where Clinton is concerned,I wouldn't want him to campaign for me. Every time I think of Clinton and the scandal that surrounded him in Office I am totally disgusted. Their has been nothing but a smear campaign going on by the media against McCain from the beginning and I for one have had enough. I am also hearing the same from other people. Obama is not experienced enough and the only thing he has going for him is that he has the backing of Hollywood and the media. I have listened to him and have not heard anything new.

Posted by: katie | September 12, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Everyone who cares about the environment should do SOMETHING to elect Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Donate $5 or $10 at www.barackobama.com , visit your closest Obama/Biden office to ask how you can help, and speak up bravely to co-workers and neighbors about your concerns and hopes in this election.

We cannot allow Republican ignorance to remain in power for 4 more years.

Posted by: PaulTinker | September 12, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, anonymous[7:54 PM]. I'm tired of all these global warming counterarguments that sound like they came straight from the Rush Limbaugh Show with the signature lack of citation primary source citation.

Posted by: whatever | September 12, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

For those who want facts about global warming go to
www.pubmed.com (sponsored by the National Institutes of Health and the National Library of Medicine) and search "global warming" you will find over 4000 peer reviewed articles confirming the effects of global warming. You will find fewer than one peer reviewed article which arguing against global warming.

Posted by: Rob17 | September 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad someone is calling McCain on his pledges of 'reform'. Reform what, exactly, and in what ways? How am I going to benefit? How are the majority of Americans going to benefit, both now and in the long term, from this vague notion of reform?

Earmarks? Give me a break! It is a joke that presidential candidates are talking about something as petty and insignificant as earmarks! Go back to the senate (both of you) and governor's seat if you want to stop earmarks so badly and let someone with a grander vision for change run for president!

Posted by: clint | September 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

now will you also print the names of the THOUSANDS of scientists who also believe humans play a role in global climate change.

And for the love of God media, bloggers- It's called Climate Change not global warming. Some places will cool some will get hotter, some will get wetter, some more arid. The fundamental point is that these changes are occurring at a rate that is not natural and may be exceeding the earth's flora and fauna ability to adapt.

As in by bye polar bear and get your f'ing life raft southern Florida and NYC.

Posted by: yes jeremiah | September 12, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Jeremiah - that's an impressive list of people with a lot of credentials. I'm sure a similar set of well qualified people, in earlier days, would have sworn the world is flat.

See any connections here? history does repeat itself - a lot of civilizations knew the world was not flat and had built their own logic around it except the western world.

Posted by: Wolf | September 12, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

.....While Obama is chasing this greased pig trying to put lipstick on it, we need to discuss the issues. Seems like I recall
Obama saying something about that.....
.....Anyway, it also appears that he fell
into a trap. Perhaps if he had used a horse
instead.............

Posted by: D D | September 12, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Nobody says the earth isn't getting warmer; it has been since the last ice age. Thirty years ago these same scientists were predicting that man-made pollution would cause global COOLING. The fact is, their computer models cannot reliably predict next week's weather, much less 50 or 100 years from now.

Partial list of World-renowned scientists who question global warming:

Harvard astrophysicist Sallie Baliunas; Ph.D.,

Robert Balling, Ph.D., director of Climatology at Arizona State;

Patrick Michaels, Ph.D., past president of the American Association of Climatologists and professorof environmental sciences at the University of Virginia;

Frederick Seitz, Ph.D., past president of the National Academy of Sciences

Tim Patterson, Ph.D., professor of paleoclimatology at Carleton University

Colorado State University's Dr. William Gray, recognized as the world's leading hurricane expert

Dr. F. Fred Singer, president of the Science and Environmental Policy Project

Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. (climatesci.atmos.colostate.edu)

Dr. David Deming, a geophysicist at the University of Oklahoma

Dr. John Christy, professor of atmospheric Science and director of the Earth System Center at the Universityof Alabama (of the UN's' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change)

Dr. Paul Knappenberger of the University of Virginia

Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute ofTechnology.

Posted by: jeremiah | September 12, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Disgusted ...: Your general statement is correct. Your specific example is not: The press drowned us in 2+ days of invective about a non-existent insult and phony outrage. Honesty is a prerequisite to learning, which is traditionally a requirement for having credible opinions.

Posted by: SarahQuayle | September 12, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"There has yet to be one shred of undeniable evidence linking humans to global warming. Don't think too much of yourself and your ability to change anything. The earth is warming . . . but tomorrow it is going to cool down . . . just like it's been doing for the past few thousand years (not millions . . . monkey men). Get a life!"

D. it is thinking like this that is wrong with this world and this country. You have no idea about how scientific experiments are conducted and what it means to have "undeniable" evidence. People like you love to say "there is no undeniable evidence" and that we should wait until "all the facts are in." There is no such thing as undeniable evidence, that is not how conducting an experiment, collecting data, and PROVING hypotheses works. A person like you wants to wait until "all the facts are in" not because you actually seek out these facts, (ie reading primary research articles), but because you want someone...anyone out there to say what you want to hear. You have already made your decision, you have already reached your "conclusion" without any evidence. Following this you like to claim that every piece of data, every single new result that goes against what you have believed a priori is simply "false" or "skewed" or better yet not the whole picture. Instead of looking at the data and trying to find the proper correlation that might explain what is happening to our Earth, you are proposing what is happening and trying to find the "facts" to prove it.
It is true, the world has gone through climate changes in the past, and more likely than not it is now, and it will in the future. That much I agree with. But every piece of evidence suggests that WE, HUMAN BEINGS, are exponentially increasing the rate at which this happens. That it is not simply a matter of nature, and a course of natural progression, but an aberration caused by our incessant, and deliberate pumping of chemicals into the atmosphere. There is chemistry behind it, there is biology, geology, and many other branches of science that have, to a large extent, MECHANISTICALLY shown how and why this happens. We can recreate very similar situation in a lab environment, we can show how these chemicals interact, we can show what happens when this sort of thing goes unchecked....yet people like you say there is no shred of evidence.
The sad thing is people in this world, people who think like you and are going to fight this, are going to pursuade many others of these fallacies. More than likely it isnt going to affect me, and maybe not even my children, but if in 100+ years when they look back at the mess that the world is in I hope they can come back to our generation and simply shake their heads, and label us as one of the most destructive, and stupid being to ever inhabit this earth. But most likely than not, that wont happen...people don't seem to remember being dragged through dirt, if they did not a single person in this country would even dare dream of voting for a Republican after the utter incompetency they have shown in the last 8 years...but guess what people don't remember. We are two months away from electing a republican and putting ourselves through the same mess. If we are this stupid, we deserve to have our lives ruined.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Deborah Harry - I'm no supported of Hollywood but please don't stoop down to making general attacks - some drop outs have built multi-billion business and at least one Ivy Leaguer has become POTUS for 2 terms this decade - and you know how that turned out. Let's just discuss issues here. and by the way, the last Hollywooder who commented on Sarah has a Harvard degree and i'm sure they read the newspapers unlike our current prez.

Posted by: Wolf | September 12, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

History tells us that there has been global warning because they say most on North America was covered by ice one or more times. It is not now and humanity was not the cause of the melting of the ice. The Farmers Almanac for 2009 says the weather for the US is to be colder.

Posted by: Curly | September 12, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I am disguisted by the lies in McCain/Palin ads.

Posted by: Chuck | September 12, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see some people finally pointing out her lies and half truths. I'm a independent and undecided until McCain played the Palin card. Absolutely No experience or VP qualifications, nothing but pandering to the Hillary crowd.

Does not know what the "Bush Doctrine" is? Had to get a passport to visit the troops? Foreign policy cred is living next to Canada and Russia. Pitbull with lipstick? More like a clown with lipstick?

Elected 2x as mayor with under 1000 votes each time? 1st term gov of one of the smallest populated states in the union, which by the way is the biggest recipient of federal handouts per capita.

For the bridge, then against the bridge but I kept and spent the money - wow that's reformer cred.

I've lived in Alaska, been to Wasilla many times. Their politics are Bush league in more ways than one.

Think about it is she ready to have the nuclear codes, to stand up to the foreign and domestic challenges that face our county? We've spent the last 8 years seeing what happens when out leaders don't think but shoot from their hip, half cocked with no strategy. I'm sick of running the country READY FIRE AIM

Sorry John McCain I really respect you but it's Obama Biden for me.

Posted by: The TRUTH | September 12, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

As Glen Beck just said in our american media, what a shame. I really don't belive he knows what is good or bad. I could be wrong, but hey,the media rules, not.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, it would appear from all evidence that McCain's trophy mate has a little problem with the truth with regard to Global Warming, as her "deer in the headlights" interview proved.

Can you JUST imagine what the Repubs would be saying if the Dems had a candidate who had NEVER met a major head of state or touted her knowledge of Russia, "because we live really close to them".

If they win this thing, then we ARE TRULY a nation of idiots.

Posted by: tdub | September 12, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's ignorance of global warming is important because it demonstrates her willingness to hold an opinion on something she doesn't understand. She substituting her belief for accepted science worldwide. Maybe she should look into the whole gravity thing - sounds like a liberal hoax to me.

Posted by: mkatt | September 12, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Country is paying attention to McCain and Palins tendency to blatently lie.

They (correctly) assume that the people who support them are idiots and will believe anything they say (maybe because 22% of Americans still believe Obama is secretly Muslim).

She is a liar, a bold faced, say and do anything to win liar.

She is not qualified to be President and no-one knows it more than she does.

Posted by: Michael Cowan | September 12, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

BECAUSE A "CONSENSUS" OF SCIENTISTS AGREE...

Science is fact, it's never a consensus of the most scientists you can threaten. I'm so sick of Hollywood celebutards shoving egotistical nonsense down America's throat. Egotistical-thinking man has this power over natures warming and cooling cycles...UGH! You do realize most actors are high school drop outs...Babs Streisand as 1 quick easy example.

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: Deborah Harry | September 12, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

People who think that global warming is a conspiracy and refuse to believe all the major scientific organizations - what can a person say? I guess all we can do is work and pray for our country, and that whoever is leading these misguided people - (eg Bush, McCain, Palin, etc) aren't permitted to continue to devastate the economic competitiveness of this country. You would think these people don't care about their families, country's or their town's future. This country has become a laughingstock of the world based on their aggressive denial of a real challenge embodied in these anti-scientific beliefs. The rest of the world and the US, all except their cult, considers them self-destructive lunatics.

Posted by: kelvinator | September 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Laura - don't despair and leave the country. We need people like you who are trying to bring a semblance of reason to this rabble. However, you do also bring across a good point - one definite outcome of Sideshow Sarah is that a lot of people are going to be sporting her style of glasses - oh wait! they are made by kawasaki if i remember right. That's another indication of foreign policy expertise right there

Posted by: Wolf | September 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, I will be so glad when this election is over. The half truths, the lies, the bitterness etc .... it's disgusting. When you doubt something that is being said, check it out for yourself. The media is famous for only reporting a fragment of a conversation and then distorting the truth about what was really being discussed. Don't let the media lead you and influence your opinion or your vote. The media clearly favors Obama and if you buy into all the garbage that they try to feed you, you can't possibly make an informed decision before you go to the polls. Learn to think for yourselves and educate yourself. Don't look to the media for the truth.

Posted by: Disgusted ... | September 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

MEN under 36. Prepare to be DRAFTED for the PALIN war to take the Ukraine from the Russian sphere.
Prepare to be drafted for the war in SOUTH Ossetia, the former Georgian province, where PALIN says she is willing to go to war if Russia dares to invade Georgia again. That's the Caucasus mountains. Bring your long underwear. The South Ossetians are IRANIANs who escaped from IRAN when the MONGOL hordes overran it. They escaped to the Caucausus mountains. Go help them. The DRAFT awaits you. Vote for PALIN and go to war vs the Russians. PS. Even if there is no war v Russia, the US still must reinstate the draft to keep up the effort in the middle east.
McCain confirmed that in a TOWN HALL meeting.
Check it out. under 36, vote for the DRAFT. You make the call.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | September 12, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Bush and all involved should be on the list of going to jail, or impeachment. What do I know about your politics. Bless you all and Houston. BUT, Stick with Bush at this time. Your in deep deep trouble

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain had real intentions of cleaning up Washington, he would have started at home and carried out the “honorable” campaign he promised. What good is a country free of earmarks, if it is laid waste first by cultural warfare? If John McCain manages to win the presidency, it will be a pyrrhic victory. Intellectually honest people of all affiliations will never trust his word. He will be forever resented for perpetuating Rovian politics under the banner of “Country First”. He once sounded so indignant when he complained that Rove and Bush “know no depths.” No, John McCain, you know no depths!

Posted by: Honor=Obama | September 12, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Evolution is just a theory

Abstinence Education Works

Republicans had 8 years no change

Obama '08

Posted by: Cary | September 12, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Support our scientists. Obama '08.

Posted by: Voting for Obama | September 12, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

something must happen to the enviroment when we release millions of tons of chemicals into the air...........duh......

Posted by: wm musson | September 12, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

deport_the_libs:

"i got news for you idiots, Global Warming has been debunked repeadtedly. The guy who coined the term has gone so far as to say Al Gore masterminded the Greatest Hoax on the planet.

I know, I know.....lies. look it up yourself then."

Who? You mean Wallace Broecker? When and where did he say this? What is the context? Broecker advocates fixing the climate crisis. Wouldn't that imply that he believes there is a crisis?

Posted by: whatever | September 12, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Katie - we did "invade" and annex California and Texas - look that up. We can't now say that it has to be a separate country. :)

Posted by: Silverbeard | September 12, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"Global Warming": Your brain.
"deport_the_libs": Your brain on turds...

Posted by: SarahQuayle | September 12, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of Hollywood and the like thinking they have the right to make my choices for me. Just because a movie star endorses Obama does not mean I want him as President. California needs to be their own separate country and have Obama as President and leave the rest of the country alone. I agree with Palin on Global warming. It is both man made and natural and anyone who believes otherwise is burying their head in the sand. To claim it is man made is just another way for the rich to get richer.

Posted by: Katie | September 12, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Liberal does not mean loose and conservative does not mean that you own a sugar plantation. Grow up people - start thinking with your heads, ignore the noise from TV/AM, do your research and vote with your hearts. If you believe the crap you hear then you only have yourself to blame for having your work shipped overseas. Oh, and chew on this while you think over that last statement - the Chinese are not drilling off the coast of Florida but they do have SUBSTANTIAL investments in the US and we do OWE them large sums of money. And if you are wondering why I mention the Chinese here, google and read about chinese energy strategies, the investments, partnerships and progress they are making. Whoever we elect has to one day confront the Chinese guys and it's not going to be a cakewalk like this interview.

Posted by: Silverbeard | September 12, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

i got news for you idiots, Global Warming has been debunked repeadtedly. The guy who coined the term has gone so far as to say Al Gore masterminded the Greatest Hoax on the planet.

I know, I know.....lies. look it up yourself then.

Posted by: deport_the_libs | September 12, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

CannonRay - listing a big list of fringe scientists doesn't mean anything really. The US National Academy of Scientists has stated categorically that it's real, it's human caused, and that it requires rapid, strong action.
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Of course, those who don't agree with you are fringe scientists. Sure, they work at major universities and are leaders in their fields -- but you and Leftist politicians are smarter than them.

This country is setting itself up as a backwater of the world by having an educational, political and media system which encourages cult-like behavior instead of intelligent, scientifically based decision making.
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Yes, those Leftists majoring in Ethnic Studies, Women's studies and Marxist versions of Sociology should be forced to study real science -- instead of politically driven pop-philosophy taught by 60s radicals. I agree.

There are large US oil and investment interests that have not wanted global warming to be recognized or responded to. You can thank them for your point of view.
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I am an individual thinker who doesn't conform to Leftists in academia or at the UN. This has nothing to do with big oil or other corporations that Marxists love to demonize. Unlike Democrats, I don't believe or not believe based on my political identity. I question things because my intellectual integrity is more important to me than being a political sychophant.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama is retarded just listen to those interviews of his.This is the biggest of Obama's many flaws. I can't vote for a person that spews this kind of crud.

McCain '08

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

oh.my.god - D. The US Academy of Sciences, pretty much the central conservative institution on science, says global warming is caused by humans, along with every other major scientific organization in the world. Where do you people get your horrible information? That's why Sarah Palin and her supporters are so dangerous. They don't even know the most basic facts of our world!!!

Posted by: kelvinator | September 12, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Koolaid drinking retard Yeow: "...weak and uneducated ...". Something's getting lost in the translation to whoever's writing for you.
Hope you realize posting opinions in public is a "liberal" act. You liberal.

Posted by: SarahQuayle | September 12, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

This is the biggest of her many flaws. I can't vote for a person that spews this kind of crud.

Obama '08

Posted by: Wilson | September 12, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Come on stupids! GOVERNOR Palin (not former Mayor Palin or Ms. Palin . . . it's GOVERNOR Palin) has been consistent with the stance that she does not want to take a position about human induced global warming until all the facts are in. There has yet to be one shred of undeniable evidence linking humans to global warming. Don't think too much of yourself and your ability to change anything. The earth is warming . . . but tomorrow it is going to cool down . . . just like it's been doing for the past few thousand years (not millions . . . monkey men). Get a life!

Posted by: D | September 12, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Side-show Sarah or Backroom Obama - doesn't matter who it is - have to realize that a majority of the world is currently hostile to the US. What is going to be important in the next 4 years is not just about how we fix our internal problems and our wars, it's also going to be important how we keep our friends in the international community even though we might not agree with them. It's ok to be jingoistic every now and then but do remember that the past 8 years have not done anything to improve our image in the eyes of the world

Posted by: Silverbeard | September 12, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

kelvinator is obviously a 4 year old or other noisemaker not worth paying attention to. on to more intelligent discussions...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

anonymous is obviously a 4 year old or other noisemaker not worth paying attention to. on to more intelligent discussions...

Posted by: kelvinator | September 12, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

look guys
if al gore is right
(which I think he is)
than alaska will be a problem
but so will states like hawaii because of rising water levels
I'm trying to stay netural for this election
but Palin needs to get her story straight

Posted by: anon | September 12, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that 'anonymous' keeps posting comments about how McCain is 'lying' but fails to support these allegations with even one shred of evidence. Where is the lie? Dear 'Anonymous' if you make these claims, please cite your references. Most educated people understand how to support their claims with facts. Thank you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I am a black college educated medical professional. Obama is LYING!! Bidenis LYING! Obama's TV Ads against McCain are all LIES!! I hope these two get the message now!! News media, fact check, analyists, have all claimed they are lying and ad are lying!!
Obama just lying again!!

Voters be smart. Check what they are saying!! See the truth! If you don't you will have no one to blame for all of us suffering for years to come!!

My vote will be placed for McCain palin. This was not easy decision for me - as I have been registered Democrat for years.
This is one of the dirtiest campaigns!! Shame on Obama and Biden.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that 'anonymous' keeps posting comments about how Obama is 'lying' but fails to support these allegations with even one shred of evidence. Where is the lie? Dear 'Anonymous' if you make these claims, please cite your references. Most educated people understand how to support their claims with facts. Thank you.

Posted by: JLT | September 12, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a sell-out and exposed he is just a typical Republican politician by picking Palin. He picked her to appease his base, poach Hillary votes and stoke a culture divide. Even Britain and Europe know Obama is the better candidate.

The only people who don’t get it are the brainwashed right-wing puppets who think that just because someone has a speech draw and likes to fish that somehow makes politicians just like them or the best candidate to run the government. I like Clint Eastwood too, that doesn’t mean he should run the country. Are we really this foolish? (Sara Palin ain’t like you, folks).

How is this being a "maverick"? How is it ‘Country First”? How is this “I rather win a war than loose an election”? I’ll say it again, John McCain is a sell-out. Obama said it pretty accurately too - Lipstick on a pig, is still a pig.

The most important metric for picking a VP is they are ready to step in from day one. His judgment is reckless and he gambled at our expense. The mere fact Palin is being educated on foreign policy and is avoiding the press indicates she wasn’t prepared on day one. She is running for the second highest office, but can’t answer questions from the press or public? This doesn’t alarm anyone?

I lost all my respect for John McCain. He's not the hero today he was 35 years ago. McCain is nothing without Palin.

What does it say about a campaign that has to "mimic" what and whom Obama is, not to mention hijack Obamas core message of Change from day one just to poach votes? Is that all they view Obama as, a "product" a "formula", a “personality”? It makes McCain look weak and more importantly, the American people stupid if they fall for it.

Now all these puppets are willing to just get behind her without even knowing anything about her and try to convince the American public she is prepared to be VP or President? Not even uncertain objectiveness, caution, pause or question just because she has an "R" in front of her name? How can anyone make a honest, clear determination reasonably in less than 60 days.

Bravo America! We look like complete idiots once again while the world watches. I am truly embarrassed of my country. I guess all isn’t lost, at least many will have Palin’s eye glass frames while our country crumbles economically. We are such tools.

If Palin/McCain win I'm leaving this country. I’m not paying for a war that should have never happened or failed Bush policies any more than I already have.

British Prime Minister Backs Obama
http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2008/09/brown-backs-oba.htm

World wants Obama
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=world

Posted by: Laura | September 12, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

"I answered everything.

The Liberalists try to instill fear to appeal to the weak and uneducated to get approval to take money (tax) and then tell people and businesses whom they have protrayed as evil what to do.

All of this appeals to hopers, winers and those who think change by its nature is a good thing.

Whereas we Republicans live that the U.S. was build on self pride, self responsibility, liberty, individualism, and that it is best for government to say out of our affairs. Hence the 4th of July."

Since the original statement in question was whether or not people can reasonably believe that human use of fossil fuels can contribute to climate change, no you didn't answer anything.

But I do agree with the values you list in your last paragraph. I just think you're oversimplifying.

"May God Bless us."

As long as "us" refers to all Americans, I second that. :)

Posted by: Shocked at the stupidity | September 12, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I had a problem figuring out what she believed. I found a site that cleared up alot of it for me. You can see, All of Palins positions and even everything about her scandals and accused affair at

http://www.veeppeek.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:02 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

LIES again. Just like McCain - Palin doesn't realize that we are in the information age and we can "fact check" her statements.

Posted by: Denise Velez | September 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

CannonRay - This debate's been over for quite awhile for all but the few lost souls such as yourself. Of course, there are a few scientists who are holdouts - but the >overwhelming
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Yes, non-scientists -- such as Al Gore -- have created a certainty that they've used for political and financial advantage. Scientists and thinkers are supposed to question things. That's not an intellectual weakness -- unless of course you're a Leftist ideologue.


I don't understand what your big investment is in holding a position the probability of which is now at the vanishing point. Even Sarah Palin doesn't hold the position as of yesterday - and now (falsely - as with most things she says) denies she ever did.
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Proves a point that other folks who know better than Al Gore, Obama, Biden and McCain have a different view. The Left doesn't accept that someone can have a different worldview from their own and still be an intelligent person. Its simply anti-intellectualism.

If this country goes down, it's going to be because it isn't educated and dynamic enough to handle the major challenges coming our way...
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We'll be OK. Being indoctrinated to a Leftist ideology isn't the sort of education that creates anything other than mediocrity. Advocating the censorship of dissenting views is not enlightened. Slamming Palin because she shares the view of other respected thinkers is not the definition of an "intellectual".

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

anonymous - let's see, I'd guess you're about -- 4 years old, but a good typer? so that means that you and your family will be wandering penniless in the heat by the time you're 25 and President Palin's non-energy non-global warming has caused us to run out of oil and the midwest to turn into desert...

Posted by: kelvinator | September 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I am a white college educated medical professional. Sarah Palin is LYING!! John McCain is LYING! McCains TV Ads against Obama are all LIES!! I hope these two get the message now!! News media, fact check, analyists, have all claimed they are lying and ad are lying!!

Sarah Palin just lying again!!

Voters be smart. Check what they are saying!! See the truth! If you don't you will have no one to blame for all of us suffering for another four years!!

My vote will be placed for Obama -Biden. This was not easy decision for me - as I have been registered Republican for years.
This is one of the dirtiest campaigns!! Shame on John McCain and Sarah Palin. I was so sad to find Sarah was no different than John McCain.

Posted by: Sharon | September 12, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

The 527s are just getting started. Check out the Defenders of Wildlife’s new ad, playing in Ohio, on Palin’s aerial hunting record. Graphic footage of heartless slaughter of cute wolves from airplanes does not really play well with women and many others. Palin has fought for aerial animal killing for years. It ain’t hunting, as this hunter can tell you. It’s sitting in a seat and taking potshots, poorly aimed at that.

Thank you GOP for teaching us on the other side how to play hardball. Now, the pupil will show the master the fruits of lessons past.

Posted by: JTS | September 12, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I dislike false rumors as much as anyone, but can a member of the press please confirm why Sara Palin is not at least 7 months pregnant in this public Governors photo taken with President Bush in February 2008? Her baby was supposedly born on April 18, 2008.

http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/2008Meeting.htm from Feb, 2008 (click text link "View Larger Photo")

This photo is from March 14th 2008, where she clearly is not 7 months pregnant:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Finally, she is also on the cover of December issue of Vogue which was taken December 12, 2007. She should have been 4-5 months preganant. Clearly shes not.

Reportedly, her water broke the day before or hours before she gave birth in Texas and flew 8 hour to Alaska in labor? Would a doctor/the airline allow this?

Why did she supposedly announce she was pregnant after 7 months?

There are claims she didn't look pregnant from public video interviews about the annoucement.

Why is there no evidence supporting this?

Something isn't adding up?

Posted by: Dana | September 12, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Hate to say this but I find this whole thing hilarious. The interview compared to the international media totally was totally soft. We might be taking our brickbats out for Gibson but understand this, it's a tougher world out there and the last thing you want is to show case your weakness to the world by putting an unqualified candidate out for the world to see, evaluate, compare and maybe follow. It is also frustrating to see that a majority of us are very quick to take sides or pretend we are middle ground but slime candidates all the same. End of the day, the people we select REPRESENT us in the world stage. Think of it as the athletes we sent for the Olympics except the stakes here are a whole lot bigger.

Posted by: Silverbeard | September 12, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama maybe going to jail.He broke the law when ne bought that house in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.Sad but true

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama is clearly telling half-truths, and often outright lies. The campign is doing the same in the advertising.

It is sad to see Obama's campaign so low, so early.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

We bought into this horsy manure in 2000. We did it again in 2004. The only smear this time will be the lipstick on Palin's face and on Rove & Schmidt's starched white shirts. She cannot lie her way out of her past. Won't work.

Posted by: BKrause | September 12, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I had a problem figuring out what she believed. I found a site that cleared up alot of it for me. You can see, All of Palins positions and even everything about her scandals and accused affair at

http://www.veeppeek.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Palin is clearly telling half-truths, and often outright lies. The campign is doing the same in the advertising.

It is sad to see McCain's campaign so low, so early.

Posted by: Republican VN Era Veteran | September 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

In Alaska, she and her cronies has killed more animals for sport than number of Senators and House of Representatives in the US. She and her cronies will just shoot the animals and let it rot on the road,the forest, the tundra etc.

This type of character issue just shows, she willing kill, sacrifice, etc and left things hanging for her own selfish ways. She is willing to go to war with Russia sacrificing our troops for whack out unethical and immoral principles.

Just imagine the animals are fellow human beings. It all expendable.

Posted by: Dancing With the Wolves | September 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Sally G,
you are not representative of any christian women. there are always retards like you who f**k jesus and then go around f**king the world.
lol

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I answered everything.

The Liberalists try to instill fear to appeal to the weak and uneducated to get approval to take money (tax) and then tell people and businesses whom they have protrayed as evil what to do.

All of this appeals to hopers, winers and those who think change by its nature is a good thing.

Whereas we Republicans live that the U.S. was build on self pride, self responsibility, liberty, individualism, and that it is best for government to say out of our affairs. Hence the 4th of July.

May God Bless us.

Posted by: Yeow | September 12, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

independent heart - she didn't "recognize that she was wrong" on global warming, she denied a statement to the contrary that she'd made. And she's made a number of other >completely untrue

When someone's first appearance on the national scene involves telling a number of clearly documented "untruths" - or shall we say "lies" - And when that same person has said recently she wants to teach Creationism and doesn't believe global warming is caused by humans, it makes my decision to totally reject her as a possible leader in a dangerous time very easy, even if she seems attractive and tells good jokes.

Posted by: kelvinator | September 12, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I went to volunteer at the Obama office in Juneau, and they are out of yard signs and don't know when they will have more. This is Juneau, the capitol of Alaska, and there are many here who want absolutely nothing to do with McCain / Palin. People here love to put up signs, so I decided to use my energy rebate check as an Alaskan to buy Obama signs on their website. Helping Obama win & donating my rebate check is the best investment I can make at this time for a sane and effective energy plan for the US. Everyone knows by now that all Alaskans received $1200 today for energy rebate. This will not solve our statewide energy problems and many feel it was rushed out by Palin as a talking point and another thing to take credit for. So it felt good to spend that money on a real energy solution, the Obama administration. Volunteer, get people to register, or at least put up signs everywhere you can to show your support for a much needed change from the Bush Years.

Posted by: toonster | September 12, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

All those who love to nitpik on Sarah Palin's comments might step back to see that she hasn't lost any of the votes that are going to her either because she's beautiful or because she's a woman.

Posted by: Sarah! Sarah! Sarah! Sarah! | September 12, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

lol. pathetic McCain. better nominate palin for president and he better sit back. doesn't matter for republicans who just need a jesus fu**ed retard as pres. Palin really has a chance here to f**k the world. McCain is 72 and republicans are all beaming about it. Idiot McCain

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Did you see Gov. Palin's interview with "Charlie" on ABC just now? Wow, That Ball is still flying. I think she ripped the cover off of it!

Posted by: Scott | September 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is well aware that global warming is God's will. Only democrats will pooh pooh divine intervention in our weather, including Hurricane Ike - a warning from God that we must diversify our oil industry away from Texas/Louisiana and embracing Alaska reserves more fully

THANK GOD for Sarah Palin. She speaks what so many of us Christian women feel deep in our hearts.

Posted by: Sally G | September 12, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

reason ,
good suggestion, may be its better for the libs to find that island as rabis-infected dogs like you are all left in america. you're f**ked anyway by mccain-palin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

hey just a little FLIP-FLOPPING here and there. Think what double-speak we would have have she were president...she puts even numb-skull bushei to shame. But the real issues are important, not whether Paylin is actually miss piggy or a bloodthirsty pitbull. For instance, how does Mcsame propose to correct the disasters he and the R's have created in the past 7 years? All this 'country first' wrap oneself in the flag is not enough. truly, patriotism is the first refuge of the scoundrels. I used to respect McSame and he may be a highly respected old far**t but he still is an old far**t. Anyone remember Raygun (and his buddy Pinochet of Chile)? We don't want a repeat of these old geezers. McCain deserves respect and credit for what he did in 'nam but not the presidency. As for Paylin, she deserves Payless---her kids need her more than the country needs her.

Posted by: yard80197 | September 12, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic republican retards. They think education is elitism. They are the christian equivalents of jehadi muslims. No wonder the country is what it is today. It seems all over now and 2004 is repeating. We have to wait for another 20 years when the old senile retards of this population get cleaned up.

Posted by: Truther | September 12, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

So, she was wrong on global warming. She recognized that. She didn't like gay rights, but she vetoed the legislation against the gay benefits after her lawyer informed her not constitutional. She's a smart woman and made decision based on reality, not just ideology, so is McCain. That's why they are Mavericks who can reach across the isle and get things done right for America. That's something the washington crowd hasn't learned yet. That's certainly something the Obama extreme left supporters hasn't learned yet. Obama camp seems to me is the one practicing politics as usual, nothing change, although they shouted change the loudest as a weapon to bully women candidates, but that's about all they good at, nothing else, no substance, no real experience.

Posted by: independent heart | September 12, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"Keep up the phoney attacks against Palin though. You're just swinging more & more voters to the Republican side." -Robert W.

Phoney attacks?? Um, hello, she's quoted as saying these things. I highly doubt this writer would just make-up those statements. Let's get real, global warming is a real issue and even though her state of Alaska is the most effected by it, she doesn't seem to give a damn.

Posted by: Dawn | September 12, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

If you hadn't noticed, there is a giant chunk of politicians and media in this country that seem to have the aim of keeping people divided and uninformed - and they've been doing a great job for a very long time.

One of great Misleaders of our time is Mr. Rush Limbaugh, rich man, drug addict, broadcaster of the Republican talking points. When I traveled in Kansas, I spoke to many people who repeated as gospel his hate-filled stories about "liberals" that had been proven untrue long ago. Mr. Limbaugh and his kind have been supported by the richest of the rich right wingers. He's done to this country, which supposedly he loves, the most treasonous thing possible - he's turned regular people against their neighbors and their own intelligent self interest. He's even turned them against intelligence itself - calling it "intellectualism", or "elitism".

When a person or a country turns against its own intelligence, its turned itself over to a cynical elite - the real power elite - and it cuts off its evolution and kills its future. The rich in this country have sought to enhance their power by spreading lies and keeping ordinary people divided and powerless. Their success at damaging this great country can be seen in the news and on these blogs every day.

Posted by: kelvinator | September 12, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeow:

"Yes, and the moon weighs millions of mega tons and if it looses orbit and falls on us. OMG!

Hitler instilled fear into Germany, fear of Jews to make his way..."

Nice diversion tactic Copperfield. You didn't answer a thing.

Posted by: Shocked at the stupidity | September 12, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

hey 'armed forces'

Love is the proof of it. - Duh

Posted by: Yeow | September 12, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Palin will say anything to get elected. She supported the Bridge To Nowhere, until she realized, she was a laughing-stock in the whole country.

She's now going back on her stance on the environment...

Is anyone really surprised, that someone whose campaign went bankrupt last year and who has consistently made bad environment, technology, and economic policies throughout this election phase... would also choose a running mate with equally poor decision-making abilities?

Posted by: wolf | September 12, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"NO Lamobama Biden"

"Obama-The scary part is he's got about 50-50 chance of becoming president.

A vindictive, corrupt, ignorant, fag loving, retarded, muslim man president. Wow, clearly, we are all doomed."

I agree, we're doomed. Because the same people who TiVo Jerry Springer and don't realize that most of the right-wing pundits are college dropouts all have the right to vote and the ability to think but they'll only do the former.


Ernie:

"Their is no PROOF global warming is caused by humans..Get your head out of the sand Liberals, it's a pharse...."

What exactly is the "proof" that would convince you. We can calculate the CO2 output from burning fossil fuels. From the geological record, we know that high atmospheric CO2 coincides with periods of warming.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=87

If your only counterargument is "you can't prove that the increase in CO2 since the Industrial Revolution has been caused by the use of fossil fuels because there are pre-human spikes in atmospheric CO2", then you have set an impossible standard for proof. We can't just wait to see if the glaciers start recovering while we continue to use fossil fuels as our primary energy source (although they still will be needed in some capacity).

"I think Palin thinks it's a pharse...But the left wing liberal Democracic news media will spin it as a negative..."

Palin also denies evolution and thinks that dinosaurs walked the earth as recently as 4000 years ago.

Posted by: Still shocked by the stupidity | September 12, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

This is frightening that on one side ... it appears that people are actually debatinggn that Sarah Palin is being made to look like a liar by editting done by the media. (?) They also appear to be excited that she has little governing experience ... didn't own a passport until 6 months ago .. only traveled out of the US to Mexico and Canada (that means Whistler and Cabo).... and has never met with a foreign head of state. It is a sad reality all she really is is a Hockey Mom.

Yet John McCain believes that of all the people in this country in or out of government she is the number 1 choice to be the Vice President. She is more qualified than anyone democrat, republican, independent??? More than Romney ... Huckabee... Bloomberg ... Guilani... Lieberman? This can't be real!!!

The "baby scandal" alone is just so ridiculous ... it's like a 7 year old made it up. The fact that there are pictures of her 15 year old drinking and is now pregnant shows us that she is not a model parent .... but at the same time she would deny a gay couple the opportunity to marry and adopt a child. Why?

I was not going to vote for John McCain regardless. But honestly ... his lack of regard for the office of the Vice President ... his absolute wrecklessness in this choice offends and angers me. He didn't lose my vote (to be sure) ... but he lost any respect I had for him as a patriot, veteran, elected official and as a human being.

Posted by: Mike | September 12, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

With all the stupid people breeding in the USA, we should have plenty of brainless mishaps to join the Armed Forces. And help save me from the 'scary' terrorists.

Religion is the false prophet! Why? Because it can't be proven. How many people are going to continue being afraid of something that has NEVER been proven. "Because a little black book told me too." Sorry, not for me. I put my faith in something tangible. Praying will never help you. If it does it is pure coincidence. Is it really that great to assume you are going to be saved? Saved from what? Death? Hah! Not in this lifetime!

Posted by: armed forces | September 12, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Maybe that's why the Libs are for abortion... to fight global warming.. less cars, less mouths to feed.

Posted by: Yeow | September 12, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: swagner | September 12, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

We need to get the word out on Sarah Palin's wolf-killing record.

Sarah Palin has a brutal record of slaughtering wildlife, and she hopes to continue in her killing ways - - in particular, her very active and extensive promotion of aerial hunting of not just wolves, but bears also.


Last week, Defenders of Wildlife released an informational video concerning Sarah Palin's record and stance on wildlife, wolves in particular. I created a link for it in last week's post, and it is available here for you to view. More than 68,000 people viewed the Defenders of Wildlife video which was posted at YouTube.

Defenders of Wildlife has now created a powerful television piece that will educate everyone concerning Governor Palin’s efforts to kill wolves and bears. But guess what? It will cost money to do so. Please, please, please help Defenders of Wildlife do what they do best: Defend wildlife! Don't forget that this is our wildlife, our country, and our world. We live here, and all forms of life deserve the right occupy this place with us. Moreover, we have a responsibility to care for and protect them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5JZgtYy6oA

Please help get the truth out. It is the only way to educate people on issues that they may know nothing about. More importantly, it is our only hope to possibly change the hearts of those who think they know what is going on, and therefore, they are just fine with aerial hunting of these beautiful creatures.

Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin has proposed payment of a $150 bounty for the foreleg of each dead wolf.

The aerial hunting program she vigorously promotes has already killed nearly 800 wolves.

Sarah Palin has opposed efforts to save America’s polar bears from extinction, and she has fought against efforts to save some of the world’s most endangered beluga whales.

Governor Palin has sided with Big Oil, mining companies, wealthy trophy hunters, and other entrenched special interests in support of policies that would greatly harm and potentially cause extinction of the wild animals that we so treasure.

This is not an Anti-Palin Campaign. I am not an Obama supporter. The intention of this site is that of a Pro-Wolf and Pro-Wildlife Campaign.

Join the fight for the wolves and all wildlife. They're not just my wolves and my wildlife. They are yours, too.

Save the Wolves Now!

Posted by: Valerie | September 12, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

She said she would go to war with Russia and Iran, she said we need oil, "it's the biggest national security issue" and she said a bunch of other bull...

So basicly if McCain and Palin take office, we go back to the stone age. Neither care for technology, neither care for diplomacy and neither care about issues that matter.

Posted by: Jack | September 12, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Of course the root cause of global warming is overpopulation, but nobody even mentions this anymore. Especially that rapidfiring uterus in the snappy glasses.

Posted by: monkeybacon | September 12, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

CannonRay - listing a big list of fringe scientists doesn't mean anything really. The US National Academy of Scientists has stated categorically that it's real, it's human caused, and that it requires rapid, strong action.

This country is setting itself up as a backwater of the world by having an educational, political and media system which encourages cult-like behavior instead of intelligent, scientifically based decision making.

There are large US oil and investment interests that have not wanted global warming to be recognized or responded to. You can thank them for your point of view.

Posted by: kelvinator | September 12, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I was gonna say that they dont let retards into ivy league schools, but then I remembered that Bush went to Yale.

Posted by: monkeybacon | September 12, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey 'Shocked at the stupidity'

Yes, and the moon weighs millions of mega tons and if it looses orbit and falls on us. OMG!

Hitler instilled fear into Germany, fear of Jews to make his way...


Posted by: Yeow | September 12, 2008 6:15 PM

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Obama's oratoric ability is the same like Hitler and they both had extremist teachers . But without speaches he sounds like retard

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

mmmm Peanuts:)

Posted by: monkeybacon | September 12, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah has more Executive experience than all of the candidates combined."

Hello, we don't elect Presidents because of their "Executive" experience. The White House has a huge staff and Cabinet which does the "executive" work.

We tried electing someone by the name of George Bush- who had much more "executive" experience than does Mrs. Palin. Look at the results.

We elect a President ( or should) because of their ability to make intelligent and knowledgeable decisions, who can represent us at home and abroad, and can inspire us to make the kind of changes in our government in order to get it back on its Constitutional path.

Both Senators Obama and Biden have taught Constitutional Law in reputable Law Schools. Mrs. Palin has probably not even read the document.

Posted by: Tom | September 12, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Attention WalMart shoppers:

Jobs are now being brought back home, expect prices to go up 10 times since no one in the US will work for peanuts.

OO

Posted by: Yeow | September 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Kelvinator Rocks!!!

Posted by: monkeybacon | September 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

The far-left minority of Liberals in this country, which infest the media like vermin and claim to be the majority when they clearly are not, are about to be handed the surprise of their lives when the American people resoundingly reject their overt attempts to establish a one-party state, much like any communist dictatorship, and reject their beloved Messiah Obama for the Marxist imposter that he is.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he boght that house in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.also libs do you know how south side Chicago looks like and would you be able to walk there at night?This is place where Obama was com org

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse


Hey 'Shocked at the stupidity'

Yes, and the moon weighs millions of mega tons and if it looses orbit and falls on us. OMG!

Hitler instilled fear into Germany, fear of Jews to make his way...

Posted by: Yeow | September 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Attention Wallmart Shoppers:

Sara Palin Action figures are now on sale in the sporting goods section. Giterdone!

Attention Galviston Wallmart Shoppers:

Due to the 20 feet of water in the store that has nothing to do with global warming, Sara Palin action figures are not available.

Posted by: Monkeybacon | September 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

CannonRay - This debate's been over for quite awhile for all but the few lost souls such as yourself. Of course, there are a few scientists who are holdouts - but the >overwhelming

I don't understand what your big investment is in holding a position the probability of which is now at the vanishing point. Even Sarah Palin doesn't hold the position as of yesterday - and now (falsely - as with most things she says) denies she ever did.

If this country goes down, it's going to be because it isn't educated and dynamic enough to handle the major challenges coming our way...

Posted by: kelvinator | September 12, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovskaya Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences: "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy - almost throughout the last century - growth in its intensity...Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated...Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away."[14][15][16]

Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics: "[T]he recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air."[17]

Reid Bryson, emeritus professor of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, University of Wisconsin-Madison: "It’s absurd. Of course it’s going up. It has gone up since the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we’re coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we’re putting more carbon dioxide into the air."[18]

George V. Chilingar, Professor of Civil and Petroleum Engineering at the University of Southern California: "The authors identify and describe the following global forces of nature driving the Earth’s climate: (1) solar radiation ..., (2) outgassing as a major supplier of gases to the World Ocean and the atmosphere, and, possibly, (3) microbial activities ... . The writers provide quantitative estimates of the scope and extent of their corresponding effects on the Earth’s climate [and] show that the human-induced climatic changes are negligible."[19]

Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa: "That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation - which has a cooling effect. ... We know that [the sun] was responsible for climate change in the past, and so is clearly going to play the lead role in present and future climate change. And interestingly... solar activity has recently begun a downward cycle."[20]

David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester: "The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming."[21]

Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University: "global warming since 1900 could well have happened without any effect of CO2. If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon and global temperatures should cool slightly until about 2035"[22]
William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus and head of The Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University: "This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations. Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood. Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes. We are not that influential."[23] "I am of the opinion that [global warming] is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American people."[24] "So many people have a vested interest in this global-warming thing—all these big labs and research and stuff. The idea is to frighten the public, to get money to study it more."[25]

William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology: "There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."[26]

George Kukla, retired Professor of Climatology at Columbia University and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, said in an interview: "What I think is this: Man is responsible for a PART of global warming. MOST of it is still natural."[27]
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware: "About half of the warming during the 20th century occurred prior to the 1940s, and natural variability accounts for all or nearly all of the warming."[28]

Marcel Leroux, former Professor of Climatology, Université Jean Moulin: "The possible causes, then, of climate change are: well-established orbital parameters on the palaeoclimatic scale, ... solar activity, ...; volcanism ...; and far at the rear, the greenhouse effect, and in particular that caused by water vapor, the extent of its influence being unknown. These factors are working together all the time, and it seems difficult to unravel the relative importance of their respective influences upon climatic evolution. Equally, it is tendentious to highlight the anthropic factor, which is, clearly, the least credible among all those previously mentioned."[29]

Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa: global warming "is the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities. The atmosphere hasn’t changed much in 280 million years, and there have always been cycles of warming and cooling. The Cretaceous period was the warmest on earth. You could have grown tomatoes at the North Pole"[30]

Tim Patterson[31], paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada: "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years. On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"[32][33]

Ian Plimer, Professor emeritus of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide: "We only have to have one volcano burping and we have changed the whole planetary climate... It looks as if carbon dioxide actually follows climate change rather than drives it".[34]

Tom Segalstad, head of the Geological Museum at the University of Oslo: "It is a search for a mythical CO2 sink to explain an immeasurable CO2 lifetime to fit a hypothetical CO2 computer model that purports to show that an impossible amount of fossil fuel burning is heating the atmosphere. It is all a fiction".[35][36]

Nir Shaviv, astrophysicist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem: "[T]he truth is probably somewhere in between [the common view and that of skeptics], with natural causes probably being more important over the past century, whereas anthropogenic causes will probably be more dominant over the next century. ... [A]bout 2/3's (give or take a third or so) of the warming [over the past century] should be attributed to increased solar activity and the remaining to anthropogenic causes." His opinion is based on some proxies of solar activity over the past few centuries.[37]

Fred Singer, Professor emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia: "The greenhouse effect is real. However, the effect is minute, insignificant, and very difficult to detect."[38][39] “It’s not automatically true that warming is bad, I happen to believe that warming is good, and so do many economists.”[40]

Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics: "[T]here's increasingly strong evidence that previous research conclusions, including those of the United Nations and the United States government concerning 20th century warming, may have been biased by underestimation of natural climate variations. The bottom line is that if these variations are indeed proven true, then, yes, natural climate fluctuations could be a dominant factor in the recent warming. In other words, natural factors could be more important than previously assumed."[41]

Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville: "I predict that in the coming years, there will be a growing realization among the global warming research community that most of the climate change we have observed is natural, and that mankind’s role is relatively minor"[42]
Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London: "...the myth is starting to implode. ... Serious new research at The Max Planck Society has indicated that the sun is a far more significant factor..."[43]

Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center: "Our team ... has discovered that the relatively few cosmic rays that reach sea-level play a big part in the everyday weather. They help to make low-level clouds, which largely regulate the Earth’s surface temperature. During the 20th Century the influx of cosmic rays decreased and the resulting reduction of cloudiness allowed the world to warm up. ... most of the warming during the 20th Century can be explained by a reduction in low cloud cover."[44]

Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, Professor Emeritus from University of Ottawa: "At this stage, two scenarios of potential human impact on climate appear feasible: (1) the standard IPCC model ..., and (2) the alternative model that argues for celestial phenomena as the principal climate driver. ... Models and empirical observations are both indispensable tools of science, yet when discrepancies arise, observations should carry greater weight than theory. If so, the multitude of empirical observations favours celestial phenomena as the most important driver of terrestrial climate on most time scales, but time will be the final judge."[45]

Posted by: CannonRay | September 12, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain may like to celebrate his birthday on a yacht with celebrities, but he is no messiah. Obama has spoken.

Posted by: swagner | September 12, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

If McCain gets into office, it's clear:

#1 - The majority of Americans really are racist, redneck, right wing idiots who are willing to believe any lie they are spoon-fed as long as it matches their beliefs and

#2 - It is the beginning of the end of the American Empire and the rest of the world should take note (if they haven't already -- it's not for nothing that the rest of the world wants Obama to get in)...

I am so glad I live in Canada!!!!!

Posted by: sharons | September 12, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

This is most of conservative America right here:

"A vindictive, corrupt, ignorant, fag loving, retarded, muslim man president. Wow, clearly, we are all doomed. " Anonymous from this comment thread.

Blinded by its own ignorance, hate and fear. Hiding behind anonymity to be ignorant hateful and fearful of all unknown.

These are the people who are asking for McCain and Palin. They rather see lies than diversity and understanding. Change is indeed crucial to this great country in crisis.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

This story sucks as bad as Miss Lewinsky.

Rednecks unite! Vote for McCain!

We don't want no ni66a in our White House!

Nah, Just kidding.

Obama is CLEARLY the better candidate.

Posted by: Who cares? | September 12, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

GLOBAL COOLING IMMINENT?

Regardless of Palin's other strengths & weakness, Sarah Palin is quite correct to strongly question the financially-forced 'scientific consensus' on Global Warming.

Recent scientific data strongly & credibly indicate that "Global Cooling" may be imminent.

See http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4657 for a summary of the Global Cooling data; then open the following link to listen to a credible but humorous audio report: http://breakfornews.com/audio/BeautifulTruth080910.mp3.

Extorting a Global Warming 'scientific consensus' with financial threats indicates that the current Global Warming 'scientific consensus' may not be 'democratic' -- or 'scientific.'

From the 'IMMINENT GLOBAL COOLING' Report Intro: "Even as the Global Warming crew persist in their deeply dubious claims, Sunspots have vanished from the face of the Sun -- and the next sunspot cycle is already about two years behind schedule.

"Independent scientists say this very scenario has caused a mini-Ice Age before. We present the latest forecasts and analysis of the likelihood of Imminent Global Cooling."

'Good Science' is NOT a democracy. However, 'Bad Science' and 'Hot Air' ARE for sale (especially in Washington).

Posted by: Thomas J Mattingly | September 12, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Correction, the right-wing website is called, "Newsmax, " not , "Newmax."

Posted by: Michael Pugliese | September 12, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Hit isn't humans whats changing the wether hits God Almighty Who has decided to roast all the sinners in Hellfire hear on earth!! Sowobbadobba blingblang
blooblieee!

Posted by: The one true American | September 12, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Pehaps mother nature is cleaning up our Sh@t. Well, possibly Alaska will get it to. I hope not, for I wish no harm on the human race including wolves.
Time for us, to wake up call, Hello.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 12, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey Obama, Tax Oprah she's mak'n too much. hehehe

Posted by: o | September 12, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Yeow: Hope your faith healer's good enough for what ever affliction explains your backwardness.

Posted by: SarahQuayle | September 12, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Yeow:

"Liberals and Astrologists ... bird of a feather....

80% of the world is covered by water and they think we can change the weather. Give me a break."

True, 80% of the earth's crust is covered by water. The average depth of the ocean is over 12,000 feet. Most of the "dry" land is only a few hundred feet above sea level and the coastal areas (the most threatened by rising sea levels) are only a couple of hundred feet above sea level. There is plenty of water locked up in glaciers and the polar ice caps to raise sea levels enough to drowned the current world coastlines.

Posted by: Shocked at the stupidity | September 12, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Unemployed Republican being sodomized by Bush and Cheney- "Ouch this hurts!!"

Sean Hannity "its the liberals fault"

Same Republican- "I better vote for McCain"

Posted by: monkeybacon | September 12, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse


Swagner, the issue isn't whether or not humans are contrbuting to or causing. The issue is the constant flow of contradictory statments comming from Palin and McCain. Yes, it is clear humans are contributing to, but not clear whether we are the sole cause. However, this does not explain why McCain and Palin have such low regard for facts.


"Palin is saying the climate is changing and comments about the impact to Alaska. She also said that humans are part of it, but not the cause of it. Dude, learn something and stop being a sheep. 10,000 years ago, New York City was under several hundred feet of ice. Humans the cause of global warming is sheep following the herdsman. Yes we are part of it, but not the cause. Read what whe said again.
Notice there is no more talk about Antarctica since we now know the ice pack is increasing.

Posted by: swagner | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM"

Posted by: Jeff | September 12, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

NO Lamobama Biden

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama-The scary part is he's got about 50-50 chance of becoming president.

A vindictive, corrupt, ignorant, fag loving, retarded, muslim man president. Wow, clearly, we are all doomed.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, from Canada. It is Black and White. Is it not something that a human drowning will ask for gods help, and God forgive, a Black man saves you.
But now, the people in Texas need help.
I am very pissed that the rich whom can afford another house are putting your rescue workers at risk. Because, they are rich and don't give a dam for the Heroic rescuers. Sorry. Let them die.

Posted by: Justada55+ | September 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

From The Nation, Sept 11, 2008

John McCain's ties with his lobbyist's con man.

McCain-Follieri Love Boat

The Maverick and the Celebrity Con Man


John McCain has been hammering rival Barack Obama for being little more than a vapid "celebrity" and "elitist." But The Nation has obtained a photo revealing just how star-struck a straight-talking maverick can become when offered the chance to celebrate his birthday aboard a yacht filled with celebrities--even if one of those celebrity types turns out to be an A-list con man.

The photograph substantiates reports that in late August, 2006, McCain celebrated his 70th birthday aboard a yacht, the Celine Ashley, rented by A-list con man Raffaello Follieri and his then-movie star girlfriend Anne Hathaway. In the current edition of Vanity Fair, Michael Schnayerson reported that Follieri rented the Celine Ashley for the month of August 2006. Montenegro's leading daily
newspaper, Vijesti, earlier reported that during McCain's visit in 2006 he celebrated with birthday cocktails and sweets aboard the Celine Ashley yacht. In the photograph, taken in Montenegro at the end of August, McCain is shown boarding the yacht ramp towards the smiling Follieri and Hathaway. Just ahead of McCain and shaking hands with Follieri appears to be Rick Davis--McCain's top aide and now co-manager of his campaign, who accompanied him on the trip and advised the government of Montenegro. A few months after McCain's yacht party, Follieri strengthened his ties to McCain's orbit by retaining Rick Davis's well-connected Washington lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, and offering Davis both an investment deal and help in securing the Catholic vote for McCain's presidential bid.

Follieri, who posed as Vatican chief financial officer in order to win friends and investments, pleaded guilty Wednesday in a Manhattan district court to conspiracy to commit wire fraud, eight counts of wire fraud and five counts of money laundering. As part of the plea, Follieri admitted to misappropriating at least $2.4 million of investor money and redirecting it to foreign personal bank accounts that were disguised as business accounts.

At the time he met McCain, Follieri was adept at collecting friends in powerful places and using those connections to attract investments in projects which later turned out to be bogus. His ties to Bill Clinton and his entourage have been well-documented; the charismatic Follieri, whom Vanity Fair has likened to an ambitious nineteenth-century protagonist from a Balzac novel.

Yet Follieri's ties to McCain's orbit have been largely overlooked by the media. Follieri first met McCain when the Arizona Senator visited Montenegro from August 29-31 as part of a Congressional delegation that included Republican senators Lindsay Graham, Richard Burr, Saxby Chambliss, Mel Martinez and John Sununu. [We'll have more on what else McCain was doing in Montenegro in a forthcoming article in the print edition of The Nation.]

What, exactly, was McCain doing aboard Follieri's yacht? Or put another way, was this McCain's 70th birthday wish--to spend an evening floating on the Adriatic with one of Hollywood's top actresses and her smooth-talking Italian beau?

An even bigger mystery is how Follieri's boat came to be docked in Montenegro on McCain's birthday. According to a journalist in Montenegro, the yacht had been anchored there for several days before McCain's arrival, and only sailed away after McCain boarded. According to Vijesti, locals were told that McCain was meeting "friends from Florida" on the yacht.

McCain aides later confirmed the encounter with Follieri, but said it was "entirely social and nothing came of it." Follieri, they told the New York Daily News, was just a "passing acquaintance." (Though the McCain campaign promise to comment on the encounter, it did not respond to The Nation's request by the time this article was published.)

It must not have seemed that way to Follieri. According to the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, in January 2007 Follieri sent Rick Davis a packet of information on his companies Follieri Capital and Follieri Media, apparently hoping to get financing from Pegasus Capital Advisors, a hedge fund in Connecticut that Davis represented. "Follieri's proposal to Davis had two dimensions to it--first, as an investment opportunity for Davis's fund; but secondly, there was the political dimension, in which Follieri offered to help deliver Catholic votes to McCain," said Claudio Gatti, a reporter for Il Sole 24 Ore, who investigated Follieri for eighteen months.

In February 2007, according to a recent article in the New York Daily News, Follieri retained Davis's lobbying firm, Davis Manafort. According to the paper, "on Feb. 27, 2007, Davis Manafort partner Rick Gates signed a confidentiality agreement drafted by the Follieri Group.
Two months later, Burkle sued Follieri, who later repaid the $1.3 million owed to Burkle's Yucaipa Funds. That fall, the Wall Street Journal exposed Follieri's life as a high-society con man. In June of this year, Follieri was finally arrested and charged. Following his guilty plea this week, Follieri now faces up to five years and three months in jail.

Posted by: Bullwinkle J Moose | September 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Their is no PROOF global warming is caused by humans..Get your head out of the sand Liberals, it's a pharse....I think Palin thinks it's a pharse...But the left wing liberal Democracic news media will spin it as a negative...

Posted by: Ernie | September 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Sarah has more Executive experience than all of the candidates combined.

She will make history. Its o.k. to be afraid. It doesn't matter. Deep down you all know that John and Sarah are decent, clear minded people who have the best interests of the nation at heart. So go ahead and rant and rave. Believe all that you will. They are going to win the White House and everything will be ok. Ok?

Posted by: Executive experience | September 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

No McPalin!

Posted by: Dave Miner | September 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey, where's the media asking Obama about all his background,, all the missing files of when he was state senator? What did he actually do and with whom when he was a commnutiy organizer ? Where's his selective service application file? What about his Law school application, whee he lied about his drug use?

Obama vetted.. that's a joke from a media that's in the tank or too cowered by fear of being called racist to ask REAL questions.

Posted by: AK | September 12, 2008 6:00 PM

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All that is going to be available soon.Its all over for Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Quick link to leading scientist from around the world who don't think climate change is man made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

Posted by: CannonRay | September 12, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The scary part is she's got about 50-50 chance of becoming president.

A vindictive, corrupt, ignorant, war loving, book banning, "religious" woman president. Wow, clearly, we are all doomed.

Posted by: Hurricane Ike | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

One difference between Obama and McCain and the Pitbull is that Obama writes his own speeches, McCain and the Pitbull are TOLD what to say.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin is saying the climate is changing and comments about the impact to Alaska. She also said that humans are part of it, but not the cause of it. Dude, learn something and stop being a sheep. 10,000 years ago, New York City was under several hundred feet of ice. Humans the cause of global warming is sheep following the herdsman. Yes we are part of it, but not the cause. Read what whe said again.
Notice there is no more talk about Antarctica since we now know the ice pack is increasing.

Posted by: swagner | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin is saying the climate is changing and comments about the impact to Alaska. She also said that humans are part of it, but not the cause of it. Dude, learn something and stop being a sheep. 10,000 years ago, New York City was under several hundred feet of ice. Humans the cause of global warming is sheep following the herdsman. Yes we are part of it, but not the cause. Read what she said again.
Notice there is no more talk about Antarctica since we now know the ice pack is increasing.

Posted by: swagner | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

No, Obama didn't break the law, Mo Ron.

Posted by: T Day | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin is saying the climate is changing and comments about the impact to Alaska. She also said that humans are part of it, but not the cause of it. Dude, learn something and stop being a sheep. 10,000 years ago, New York City was under several hundred feet of ice. Humans the cause of global warming is sheep following the herdsman. Yes we are part of it, but not the cause. Read what she said again.
Notice there is no more talk about Antarctica since we now know the ice pack is increasing.

Posted by: swagner | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse


monkeybacon - Liberals promoting group hugs with really bad people will cause a war.

Do you tell your son "Go hug that bully who threatens to kick the ^&** out of your friend.

YES MC CAIN

Posted by: Yeow | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Such a liar she is. McCain as well.
If we put these two foxes in charge of the national hen house, we deserve what we will get.

Posted by: Frank | September 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey, where's the media asking Obama about all his background,, all the missing files of when he was state senator? What did he actually do and with whom when he was a commnutiy organizer ? Where's his selective service application file? What about his Law school application, whee he lied about his drug use?

Obama vetted.. that's a joke from a media that's in the tank or too cowered by fear of being called racist to ask REAL questions.

Posted by: AK | September 12, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Every new piece of information, quote, policy or ideal makes me even more scared of the Bush-McCain-Palin agenda

This lady has lied so much in such a small ammount of time....
"Bridge to Nowhere" for it the whole time, then found out is was unpopular so she dropped it....but she keeps saying shes against it all the while

"earmarks" says she is a reformer and against them....when in fact she was the first to get earmarks as mayor from a lobbyist she hired, and requested the most per capita from any other state with the help of more lobbyists

And now this.....she beleives that the polar bear, despite being put on endangered species list, is flourishing in Alaska.....

She is under investigation for abuse of power and is trying to block the subpeonas....wonder why??? it wouldnt be the audio and emails they have recovered so far!!!!

NO WAY NO HOW NO MCCAIN OR PALIN

www.sarahpalinisnthillaryclinton.com

Posted by: Oregon4Obama | September 12, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

we as americans the good few of us thats left have to take the vote out of the hick towns hands i have said this all alone its true americans verses liberals this has nothing to do with Obama.people wake up i am telling you they would rather see this country burn than see a true patriot McCain . they are appealing to the racist like Obama.forget them we cannot let this happen.we are the voice of this country lets put ourselves to work and help every way we can.McCain and Palin is counting on us.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Why shouldn't she deny it?, she's lied about nearly everything else.

Just what we need, another couple of liars in the whitehouse who don't give a hoot about the common citizen, just about people who can make them richer and more powerful.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how the Obama campaign wants to believe they were the first to come up with the idea of "change." Get in line. Every time we elect a new cabinet member we get "change." Are you exactly like your parents? Our your children exactly like you are? So would you expect McCain to be exactly like Bush? I'd wager a winning lottery ticket on the idea, because they have about the same odds.

Do you think it helps the country, and the world view of the US, if we continually make-up our cynical nicknames and belittle our ELECTED leaders in government. Maybe the next time you're blaming someone for the staunch view the world has taken of our country you should point that finger towards a mirror.

What's going to CHANGE if we keep putting more and more lawyers in Washington?

Why should we pay for STIMULUS CHECKS that go to people who don't pay taxes?

Global Warming is an important issue, but something politicians use (like Al Gore) to gain notoriety and public praise. Do you think the government is going to solve the issue if the Dems take office? The Democrats cater to the unions. The unions run the auto industry. The auto industry has "driven" this country into oil dependence and the Democrats won't even allow a vote to drill for more oil.

Government taxes oil. The more it costs the more they make. Obama doesn't mind the cost - only the speed at which it has risen.

You're right. I wan't to elect a party who is generous with MY money, but not their own. I like the sound of that, don't you?

Posted by: Capable of Original Thought | September 12, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The latest polls find good news for McCain who gains in Ohio, Washington and New Jersey: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/09/12/poll-roundup-friday/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Called vidio editing and with the right progarm you can see where the News Anchour and questions were asked. Editing was used.
Its called a Imac.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 12, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

For a 'pit bull with lipstick' the McCain campaign sure thinks she needs to be pampered. Hmm. . .a pit bull who needs pampering. That dog won't hunt.

Posted by: John Teague | September 12, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Tell me one thing republicans,

4 years from now after the nuclear holocaust when you are eating cockroaches out of the gutter, will you still be listening to Rush and Savage and trying to figure out how to stop dem damn librals from screwing up the country?

Posted by: monkeybacon | September 12, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Being from Chicago and working in the South Side, I don't know that I've seen ANY effect Obama's had in Illinois/Chicago politics other than an increase in the corruption we know and hate. If he can't make a difference in Chicago, if he can't make a change in Illinois... then why in the world should I believe all his talk about change for the entire NATION? Puh-LEASE. For someone from the South Side, he sure seems out of touch with the 'working man'... or welfare class!

And did anyone see what happened to him on TV when his teleprompters failed? Talk about a puppet - he didn't even know what to say without his script.

I'll take my chances on the well-spoken outsider rather than the one who had his chance to make a 'change' - any change - and failed.

Posted by: Seriously | September 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.Do you need the criminal president?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

we as americans the good few of us thats left have to take the vote out of the hick towns hands i have said this all alone its black verses white this has nothing to do with mccain.people wake up i am telling you they would rather see this country burn than see a black pres come on tell it like it is 200 years of white man rule call me what you want it's true. they are appealing to the racist.forget them we cannot let this happen.we are the voice of this country lets put ourselves to work and help every way we can.obama and biden is counting on us.

Posted by: frank | September 12, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Liberals and Astrologists ... bird of a feather....

80% of the world is covered by water and they think we can change the weather. Give me a break.

Posted by: Yeow | September 12, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

There's so much talk about how Palin's a "heartbeat away from the presidency" thing, that you should follow through a bit more - what's a Palin & Pelosi mess going to look like?? Isn't that just as critical to the voters' decision as to who HER veep would interact/distract/undermine/compliment a Palin administration?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Man, what research have you done exactly?

Posted by: John | September 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

My goodness, anyone with a Macintosh can tell all was scripted and cut to make everything look okay.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Four more years, that’s all we ask. Please give Halliburton another chance. We know what America needs.

Come on... we can do better than this. Won't you join me in voting for Obama come Nov 4th. Otherwise you have to wonder about that end of the Mayan calendar date in 2012 and what that could possibly mean after 4 more years of wars, etc...

Posted by: sean | September 12, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Cute Buns and Gutter talk replace real debate about Security .vs. Food and Shelter.
When did Christian become Anti-environment ? I thought God made it in 7 days to use for his Glory ? When I read Genesis he gave us animals as companions so that we would not be lonely and totally isolated from him. Certainly not for entertainment by Hunting and Killing ?
Does turning all these gifts from him into Corporate profits while watching +90%+ of the world suffer for clean air, water and food Glorify God ?
When did christian become more Guns and less Butter ? How did we get so confused ? I guess the king of this world is smarter than any politician.
It is the Father of the universe we need to pay attention to whose Praise and Love is found in the words and life of his son Jesus.

Posted by: Buns and Gutter | September 12, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama: "Give me your money so I can buy a $1,000 toilet seat for ya".

ha ha ha ha ha

That would be so great! NOT!

Posted by: Yeow | September 12, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse


Palin: "I have never said that there is absolute proof that man has nothing to do with global warming"

I can't believe no one is pointing-out how *stupid* this answer is. In fact, one poster has defended it and chided "the media" for not being able to follow logic!?

I mean come on! This answer doesn't pass the laugh test and frankly its insulting to the public for her to try such a dumb trick. It's like this:

Fictitious Politician (months earlier): "I believe in pink ponies who fart rainbows"

Media interviewer (today): "Hey, didn't you say awhile back that you believe in rainbow farting pink ponies?"

Politician (indignantly): "Why! I *NEVER* said I... absolutely, positively, without a doubt, 100%, for certain, wholeheartedly ....believe in pink ponies. I *never* said that. How *dare* you imply..."

Media: "Uh... I didn't *say* you said that and you *still* haven't answered the *actual* question."

Politician: "Um, I forgot what we were talking about. Next question please."

Posted by: ncriss1234 | September 12, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Why is Sarah wrong to question science? The scientific method is based upon hard questions, hypothesis, experiement, theory and more questions. It is dumb to stop thinking just because one is convinced that scientists are must be right. Wake up folks. Read what Sarah actually said. Really read it. If it helps, pretend Obama said it. Bet it would make loads of sense then wouldn't it. Oh and Sarah is so darned cute, ain't she?

Posted by: amazed | September 12, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"
Having only had a couple of weeks to vet Palin - more than McCain apparently took - thank God we DO have our imperfect media to examine her background, statements and views. They're doing the job McCain failed to do. (An indictment, in my opinion, of his decision-making abilities).
"

That is what media failed to do with Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

War Is Peace'
Welcome to 1984!
nobama08!

Posted by: usa3 | September 12, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I just want to go to work and keep the money that I make to pay for things my family needs. I dont need anyone telling me what or how to do it. I certainly dont need a handout from the government. Everything they touch turns black and dies.

Posted by: wow | September 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I liked how every single word
Sarah Palin spoke, was utterly
and completely anyzlsed.
Quite unusual for the current
political environment;
Where candidates rountinely
tell us anything,
and the news media is like sylvester
the cat "that sounds logical"
Palin/McCain08!

Posted by: usa3 | September 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey smc...

Eight years of a republican lead congress is what got us in this horrible mess in the first place. All we need is someone who is going to pass away in the Airforce One restroom leaving Palin and her whacky tongue speaking cronies to lead this country into world war three, I mean four...hey! what number war ARE we on now?

Posted by: Speaking4americans | September 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

The cost of the war is nothing compared to massive economic collapse if terrorists strike us.

Remember the stock market on Sept. 12th 2001???

Posted by: U.S. Citizen | September 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

reason: Fact-checking is not "hate", at
least not as demonstrated on a huge
scale by the corporate media.
doug: Getting harder to find the super-
supersticious drivel to support
infantile avoidance of
responsibility, isn't it?
BHObama: Haven't been around thinking too
much, have you? Give it a shot some
time.

Posted by: SarahQuayle | September 12, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BHObama |
aaaah...err..er.err oh.....a...well...a...hmmm.....aaahhhh

B. Hussien Obama

September 12, 2008 5:35 PM


Out of all the talk and blogs this one is the most astute about why women walked away from Democrats when resumes belonging to women were not considered.

Great comment!

Posted by: dotty | September 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"
John McCain blames Washington for everything. Someone should ask him, wasn't he there for over 20 years.
"

Hahahahahahahhhaaaaaahahhahaha

That is good match. Obama sit in that church for 20 years.

Now Obama wants to switch the place?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Yawn...

Yet more huffy indignation by the chattering class. When one produces words for a living, the consumer should expect those words to instigate sales, not thoughts.

Posted by: Paul | September 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Having only had a couple of weeks to vet Palin - more than McCain apparently took - thank God we DO have our imperfect media to examine her background, statements and views. They're doing the job McCain failed to do. (An indictment, in my opinion, of his decision-making abilities).

Palin is someone who's one 72-year-old heartbeat away from being the most powerful person in the world.

And we shouldn't rigorously scruntinize her in the same manner other candidates are scrutinized? No matter what your political leanings, I'd much preferred to have seen any of McCain's former presidential contenders as his VP pick. Their backgrounds are familiar to all.

This pick is a dangerously irresponsible wild card seemingly chosen for the worst of all reasons - tokenism.

Posted by: domillsjr | September 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post sucks with liberals.

Posted by: reader | September 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone give me any answers why my party is so messed up right now, and on the verge of disappearing like the Whig Party?

Posted by: A Life Long Republican | September 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

RE: Anonymous (rather lengthy entry).

/bump

well stated and worth reading,
thank you

Posted by: Anon | September 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Think tanks and front groups, funded by the Koch family or the Walton family. Do your research, conservatives.

Posted by: man | September 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

People listen and don't research. Look at the world. Look at the US. We, the people, are being harvested by the special interest groups using our own Government as the tool.

We the people, don't matter, only money and power matters. We have heard what absolute power does and now we have witnessed it.

We (may) have a chance to change the path we are on. However, it may be too late, we haven't seen all the cards yet.

We spend 10-20 billion dollars a month on a war that returns nothing to us. This is a war that we could never win or lose. It's just a tax dollar eating machine. All we did was purchase coffins with our own children in them.

Special interest groups make huge profits from the war machine that sells war supplies and services to all sides in a war.
We spend 1-20 billion a month on that war. 1 (one) billion dollars could pay $50,000 a year to 20,000 people.

I love America, I love what we could be to the world. We could be a beacon of light, not a bringer of blight.

Be the change, listen, read, learn, decide and then do it.

Think not of thee, think of these.
Do it for your children's children.

Posted by: George | September 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Question: What costs $273.000 per year?

Answer: The McCains budget for home servants.

He is really in touch with the reality of our everyday lives. Wow!

Posted by: Yo | September 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Jeff one question for you is the ice in antartica increasing or decreasing?

Posted by: John | September 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

From Scott: "Greytok, I'm prochoice, BUT your candidate takes it to the level of Dante's Inferno-
even NARAL, Ted Kennedy, and Barbara Boxer approved The Infant Protection Act, saying it was NOT a threat to Roe v Wade.
BUT NOT BARACK OBAMA!"

If you want to twist the truth then go ahead but if you look at Obama's stance (which you can google if you try, because I did), it differs from the other Senator's because he's a constitutional law scholar.

Basically the argument goes that if a baby who survives the abortion has a legal right to be considered a person and is granted full constitutional protections as such, we could be heading down a slippery slope. Once the baby outside the mother's body has legal protections, it wouldn't be (in Obama's estimation) much of a leap to assert that the baby inside the womb has the same protections. After all, it's the same baby at the same stage of development. His worry is that a law like that might have been used as a springboard to other cases aimed at eroding the legalization of abortion. To my laymen's ears, it sounds like a reasonable argument.

To assert that this means he's in support of killing a baby that survives an abortion is ridiculous and malicious. Most of us who are pro-choice (and Obama has stated this many times) don't like abortion, we just realize that there are places and situations that make it necessary (and it's none of our business anyway... it's the mother's).

Obama is very much for being proactive about reducing the need for abortions by things like education.

You can buy into the right wing attack mindset but it makes you neither correct or open minded.

Posted by: DougB | September 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

For the women that are excited about Palin and forgetting that voting for Palin is actually voting for McCain, you need to hear it from the horses mouth. He intends on electing judges that can overturn Roe vs Wade. Go to http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/index.

You see the truth of the matter is, she is not running for president and to keep comparing her to Obama, instead of Biden, is unjustifiable. I am a woman and refuse to vote for her because she is a woman.

Posted by: For the Women | September 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Damn, where are soft pillows? All used up?

Posted by: jy2008 | September 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama.. he is just like us...

drinks heavily, smokes pot and does cocaine ( sold it as well )

a normal kid who goes to Ivy League school.. get's a job working as a community organizer.... for one organization which is VERY radical.

Hangs with Bill Ayers, a terrorist who bombs federal buildings and wishes he did more.

Swindles hundreds of millions of dollars with buddy Tony Rezko.. they were even neighbors

Votes PRESENT on tough issues

Makes 4.6 MILLION DOLLARS as a Senator ( how??? ) and gives almost nothing to charity

Wow.. just like me.. NOT

Hangs with

Posted by: Obamarama | September 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Ms Juliet Eilperin printed this story is due to her left wing ideology. Once again, we read how she take things completely out of context in the hope to persuade voters to join her cause - elect Obama president. It is a shame the Washington Post supports her actions.

Posted by: Kevin | September 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

John McCain blames Washington for everything. Someone should ask him, wasn't he there for over 20 years.

He is Washington.

Posted by: Aida | September 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is queen of hypocrisy. She is a blatant liar, and a truly horrific choice of someone to run this country. She is an insult to women.

Posted by: Hypocrisy | September 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I can accept that Man may be CONTRIBUTING to Global Warming. But according to what I have read over the years (before Global Warming was ever mentioned), our planet has gone through MANY cycles of warming and cooling before Man ever came on the scene. We do NOT have the technology to forestall the next cycle in global temperature change. We can perhaps DELAY the worst effects for a hundred or so years. So, we had better face it and deal with the effects or we will be numbered among the 98% of species that have inhabited this planet and subsequently became extinct!

Posted by: Sam | September 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah right, first Palin was for the bridge to no-where before she was against it, John McCain was against the a tax cut for the upper class and now he wants to make them permenant. Come on get real. The Dems are and always have been for the working man and the Repubs are and always have been for the rich. With McCain the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The Heartland Institute, according to the Institute's web site, is a nonprofit organization "to discover and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems".[1] Heartland campaigns against what it refers to as "junk science"; supports "common-sense environmentalism", such as opposition to the the Kyoto protocol aimed at countering global warming and promoting genetically engineered crops and products; it supports the privatization of public services; it opposes tobacco control measure such as tobacco tax increases and denies the health effects of second-hand smoke; it supports the introduction of school vouchers;, and it promotes the deregulation of health care insurance. Heartland also hosts PolicyBot, which it refers to as the "Internet's most extensive clearing-house for the work of free-market think tanks". The database contains 22,000 documents from 350 U.S. right-wing think tanks and advocacy groups.[2]

In March 2008 the Heartland Institute hosted what was referred to as The 2008 International Conference on Climate Change.[3]

The institute was founded in 1984 by David H. Padden and Joseph L. Bast.
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* 1 Mission
* 2 Tobacco Ties
* 3 Funding
o 3.1 Secrecy on Funding Sources
o 3.2 Foundation Funders
o 3.3 Exxon Funding
* 4 Personnel
o 4.1 Board of Directors
o 4.2 Staff
o 4.3 Former Staff
o 4.4 Former Board Members
* 5 Publications
o 5.1 Former Publications
* 6 Contact
* 7 Articles and Resources
o 7.1 Sources
o 7.2 Related SourceWatch Articles
* 8 External links

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Mission

On its website it states that it "is a genuinely independent source of research and commentary founded in Chicago, Illinois in 1984. It is not affiliated with any political party, business, or foundation. Its activities are tax-exempt under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code."[4]

A version of its mission stated, current until 2006, stated that Heartland was "devoted to turning ideas into social movements that empower people". Another think tank link to Heartland used a slightly different version of its mission statement: "Heartland's mission is to help build social movements in support of ideas that empower people".[5]

In a statement submitted to the charity research group, Guidestar, Heartland states that "people devote time to learn about subjects only if they believe acquiring specific knowledge will benefit them personally. Often, this seems unlikely. Consequently, most people choose rationally to remain ignorant about many public policy issues. The Heartland Institute has overcome the problem of 'rational ignorance' by inventing publications busy elected officials and the public will actually read and come to trust. Our publications are highly effective and inexpensive vehicles for communicating messages on public policy." [6]
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Tobacco Ties

Although Heartland calls itself "a genuinely independent source of research and commentary," its has been a frequent ally of, and funded by, the tobacco industry. According to a 1995 internal report by Philip Morris USA on its corporate contributions budget, the company uses its contributions "as a strategic tool to promote our overall business objectives and to advance our government affairs agenda," in particular by supporting "the work of free market 'think tanks' and other public policy groups whose philosophy is consistent with our point of view. ... [W]e have given general support over the years to such groups as the Heritage Foundation, Heartland Institute, Americans for Tax Reform, Citizens for a Sound Economy, Washington Legal Foundation and a variety of other organizations that help provide information about the ultimate course of legislation, regulation and public opinion through their studies, papers, op-ed pieces and conferences."[7]

Internal company documents show the following contributions from Philip Morris to Heartland (probably an incomplete list):

* $25,000 in 1993[8]
* $65,000 in 1995[9]
* $50,000 in 1996[10]
* $50,000 in 1997[11]
* $50,000 in 1998 (proposed)[12][13]

Roy E. Marden, a former member of Heartland's board of directors, was until May 2003 the manager of industry affairs for the Philip Morris (PM) tobacco company, where his responsibilities included lobbying and "managing company responses to key public policy issues," which he accomplishes by "directing corporate involvement with industry, business, trade, and public policy organizations and determining philanthropic support thereto." In a May 1991 document prepared for PM, Marden listed Heartland's "rapid response network" as a "potential spokesperson" among the "portfolio of organizations" that the company had cultivated to support its interests.[14]

In January 1993, PM executive Craig L. Fuller reported that Heartland was one of the "public policy organizations" being considered to sponsor a "conference on the impact of federal mandates/EPA regulations," as part of PM's strategic response to the EPA's decision that secondhand smoke should be classified as a proven lung carcinogen.[15]

In an April 1993 report, Marden noted that he was "developing strategy and tactics" to defeat legislation in California aimed at restricting smoking in public places. He was "liasing with contacts in the public policy arena (think tanks, public interest legal foundations) and the media to generate editorial, op-eds, letters-to-the-editor and position papers." With the Heartland Institute, he was working "re sponsorship of environmental seminars for interested journalists and legislators throughout the Midwest." Simultaneously, he was talking with PM's Washington office to decide how much money the company should give to public policy organizations in 1993.[16]

Fuller's monthly report for August 1993 noted that he had "leveraged numerous contacts in the public policy arena to generate positive publicity for PM and/or a fair hearing on our issues, with particular reference to the misapplication of science by the EPA and the resulting poor public policy ... and the policy arguments against the use of excise taxes to fund proposed health care reform." The Heartland Institute was one of the contacts they had "leveraged," along with the Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty, the Alexis de Tocqueville Institute, Americans for Tax Reform, Capital Research Center, Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship and Political Philosophy, Consumer Alert, Mackinac Center for Public Policy, and the National Center for Policy Analysis. He had also provided "background material" about environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) to "various policy groups and media contacts. As a result, EPA Watch, the Heartland Institute and Capital Research Center wrote commentaries addressing the EPA and ETS. These commentaries are expected to appear in various newspapers around the country."[17]

Marden's monthly report for February 1994 noted that he was "working with the Heartland Institute in the planning of a health policy forum for state-level think tanks to develop a unified strategy and action plan, and in the use of their fax-on-demand technology to promote health care positioning consistent with our interests to legislators, public opinion makers and the public."[18] In April, he reported that he was working with PM's Washington office "and the Heartland Institute in the development of strategy and ally mobilization to preserve the deductibility of tobacco advertising expenditures."[19]

In 1995, the Heartland Institute introduced "PolicyFax," a fax-on-demand service that offered to send thousands of policy position papers by fax as a free service to government officials and journalists. On February 2, 1996, Marden reported that the service would be adding the summary of a report on secondhand smoke. "This telephone service is linked to ALL state legislators and key regional media throughout the country and is free to those audiences," he wrote. "Heartland maintains statistics on documents requested and we will be able to track requests."[20]

Later that month, Heartland president Joseph Bast wrote a letter to Tina A. Walls, PM's Vice President for State Government Affairs, informing her of a collaboration between Heartland and the American Legislative Exchange Council, another PM-supported policy advocacy organization on whose board Walls sits. In a handwritten note at the bottom of the letter, Bast added, "Roy Marden's on our board!"[21]

In 1999, Heartland was listed again in an internal PM document as one of the "portfolio of organizations" with which the company planned to mobilize against a U.S. Department of Justice lawsuit, with Heartland's "rapid response network" among the company's "potential third party activities."[22] On October 26 of that year, Marden sent an email to John Ostronic and Frank Gomez in which he listed "the key groups in my portfolio & key actions taken by those groups in opposition to the Fedsuit." Heartland's contributions to the effort included "blast faxes to state legislators, off-the-record briefings, op-eds, radio interviews, letters."[23]

Notwithstanding this long and intimate partnership with the tobacco industry, Heartland president Joe Bast bridled in February 2005 when writer Glenn Fleishman characterized the institute as a "sock puppet of industry" and criticized its role as both a tobacco mouthpiece and an opponent of municipal wi-fi initiatives. "No, there is no 'Philip Morris exec.' on our Board of Directors," Bast wrote in reply to Fleishman's article. Bast did not respond to a query from Fleishman pointing out that a biographical note on the Heartland website indicated that Marden worked at PM. What was unknown was that Marden had left PM in May 2003 and the biographical note on Heartland's website was outdated.

Bast also argued that "we do not take positions in order to appease or avoid losing support from individual donors. We have, in fact, a long record of standing behind our research even when it means losing the support of major donors." He also had no response when asked to provide specific examples from its "long record" of publishing reports against the pecuniary interests of its funders.[24]

More recently, in 2006 the Heartland Institute parntered with the National Association of Tobacco Outlets (NATO) in "a campaign to change public opinion about tobacco." The campaign will utilize press releases, letters to editors and an effort to win coverage in magazines and journals, according to an article about the partnership on the NPN Market Pulse web site, a news and information site for petroleum and convenience store marketers. Tom Briant, NATO's Executive Director, said, vowed to work to prevent public health smoking restrictions from being enactged in any more states. "We will certainly work to try and prevent similar statewide smoking bans from being adopted in other states," Briant said, "because we believe the owners of bars and restaurants should have the right to determine how they accommodate their customers and not have government dictate those kinds of regulations."[25]
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Funding

In its 2005 annual return to the Internal Revenue Service, Heartland disclosed its 2005 annual revenue as being $4.52 million while its total expenses were only $2.368 million.
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Secrecy on Funding Sources

While Heartland once disclosed its major supporters, it now refuses to publicly disclose who its corporate and foundation funders are. In response to an article criticising the think tank for its secrecy, the group's President, Joseph Bast, wrote in February 2005:

For many years, we provided a complete list of Heartland's corporate and foundation donors on this Web site and challenged other think tanks and advocacy groups to do the same. To our knowledge, not a single group followed our lead. However, critics who couldn’t or wouldn’t engage in fair debate over our ideas found the donor list a convenient place to find the names of unpopular companies or foundations, which they used in ad hominem attacks against us. Even reporters from time to time seemed to think reporting the identities of one or two donors--out of a list of hundreds--was a fair way of representing our funding or our motivation in taking the positions expressed in our publications. After much deliberation and with some regret, we now keep confidential the identities of all our donors.[24]

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Foundation Funders

Media Transparency lists Heartland as having received $2,960,555 (unadjusted for inflation) in grants between 1986 and 2006 from a range of foundations including[26]:

* Armstrong Foundation
* Barre Seid Foundation
* Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation
* Jaquelin Hume Foundation
* Charlotte and Walter Kohler Charitable Trust
* Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation
* Hickory Foundation
* JM Foundation
* John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
* Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
* Rodney Fund
* Roe Foundation
* Scaife Foundations (Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)
* Walton Family Foundation

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Exxon Funding

Greenpeace's ExxonSecrets website lists Heartland as having received $791,500 (unadjusted for inflation) from ExxonMobil between 1998 and 2006.[27]

Contributions include:

* $30,000 in 1998;
* $115,000 in 2000;
* $90,000 in 2001;
* $15,000 in 2002;
* $85,000 for General Operating Support and $7,500 for their 19th Anniversary Benefit Dinner in 2003;
* 85,000 for General Operating Support and $15,000 for Climate Change Efforts in 2004; and
* $109,000 in 2005; and
* $230,000 in 2006.

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Personnel
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Board of Directors

The members of the Board of Directors as of March 2008:[28]

* Herbert J. Walberg, Chairman
* Joseph L. Bast, President and CEO The Heartland Institute
* Rajeev Bal
* Robert Buford, President, Planned Realty Group
* Paul Fisher, Real Estate Department Chair, McGuireWoods LLC.
* James Fitzgerald, Managing Director, BankNote Capital LLC
* Dan Hales, Peterson & Ross
* William Higginson, President, Chicago Equity Fund Inc.
* Biju Kulathakal,
* James L. Johnston, Amoco Corporation (retired)
* David H. Padden, President, Padco Lease Corporation
* Frank Resnik, Medline Inc. (retired)
* Elizabeth Rose
* Thomas Walton, Director of Economic Policy, General Motors Corporation

Posted by: heartland institute | September 12, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

NObama is an empty suit; at most is a socialist. taking money from people, telling corporations what to do.

Fools. If Obama taxes the rich, then the rich will tax the rest - with higher prices.

Taxes will go up unless business is run by market demand because then we will have to pay to bail them out when the governments toiling in business fails.

Posted by: U.S. Citizen | September 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Pollution

Koch Industries is also a major polluter. During the 1990s, its faulty pipelines were responsible for more than 300 oil spills in five states, prompting a landmark penalty of $35 million from the Environmental Protection Agency. In Minnesota, it was fined an additional $8 million for discharging oil into streams. During the months leading up to the 2000 presidential elections, the company faced even more liability, in the form of a 97-count federal indictment charging it with concealing illegal releases of 91 metric tons of benzene, a known carcinogen, from its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas.
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Republican Ties

If convicted, the company faced fines of up to $352 million, plus possible jail time for company executives. After George W. Bush became president, however, the U.S. Justice Department dropped 88 of the charges. Two days before the trial, John Ashcroft settled for a plea bargain, in which Koch pled guilty to falsifying documents. All major charges were dropped, and Koch and Ashcroft settled the lawsuit for a fraction of that amount.

Koch had contributed $800,000 to the Bush election campaign and other Republican candidates.

Alex Beehler, assistant deputy under secretary of defense for Environment, Safety and Occupational Health, previously served at Koch as director of environmental and regulatory affairs and concurrently served at the Charles G. Koch Foundation as vice president for environmental projects. [4] Beehler was later nominated and re-nominated by the Bush White House, to become the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's Inspector General. [5]
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Political contributions

Koch Industries gave $948,000 to federal candidates in the 05/06 election cycle through its political action committee (PAC) - 17% to Democrats, 82% to Republicans. [1]
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Lobbying

The company spent $3,528,750 for lobbying in 2006. $820,000 was to outside lobbying firms with the remainder being spent using in-house lobbyists. [2]

In February 2005, the Hill reported, "Top White House official Matt Schlapp is joining the Washington office of oil-and-gas conglomerate Koch Industries, the latest example of high-level administration and congressional staffers making post-election leaps to the lobbying world." Schlapp had headed the White House’s Office of Political Affairs. At Koch, Schlapp will be the executive director of federal affairs, directing Washington lobbying. [6]

Elizabeth Stolpe, previously in-house lobbyist for Koch Industries, is now Associate Director For Toxics & Environmental Protection at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.
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Contact information

4111 E. 37th St. North
Wichita, KS 67220-3203
Phone: 316-828-5500
Fax: 316-828-5739
Web: http://www.kochind.com

Posted by: koch | September 12, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I like ice cream.

Posted by: joseph marcucilli | September 12, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Please read this if you are one of the sheep who feels that we are causing global warming. It may surprise you that No the science is not settled.

http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=756766

Posted by: Doug | September 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain is more Bush and Obama is more Clinton... sounds like sex, lies and video tape
VOTE RON PAUL

I can't win but it's a protest vote Hillary 2012

Posted by: ROnPaul | September 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The Koch brothers also operate the Koch Family Foundations, a major source of funding for conservative and libertarian political causes in the United States, including think tanks such as the Cato Institute. (Their father helped found the John Birch Society, though neither brother is a member or supporter of the organization.) David's political activism also includes running as the vice presidential nominee of the United States Libertarian Party in 1980, when he and running mate Ed Clark finished fourth with 921,299 votes.

Koch also supports Americans for Prosperity, formed as a successor to Citizens for a Sound Economy. Rich Fink, a Koch executive vice president, is a member of the board of directors of Americans for Prosperity. Previously he served as president of Citizens for a Sound Economy.

Posted by: Koch | September 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse


The libs are foaming at the mouth.

But Gov Palin has a new teflon skin, provided by the discredited liberal media.

Reagon use to get the same treatment from the liberal hate machine. Noone listened.

Palin is going to be here for decades. She will most likely be the first woman president.

If the libs don't like it, I hear there is an island the french aren't using now, perhaps the rabid left can move there. I hear Napoleon loved his exile on it.

Posted by: reason | September 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

kinda like Obama saying Ayers is just a guy that lives in his neighborhood....then it turns out they bilked he Chicago Annenberg foundation out of $100 million dollars.

or the same as Obama saying "I was willing to vote for the Illinois Infant Born alive act if it had the same language as the federal bill and anyone that says otherwise is lying." then it turns out that he voted against a bill that is exactly the same as the federal bill.

also the same as "I didn't go to Wright's church that often." then it turned out that he stated long before that he attended the racist church regularly.

Posted by: Chicago | September 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Glad the republican party found a VP as ignorant as the people who vote republican, status que you can believe in

Posted by: 2 inches rebuffed | September 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

She has my vote.

Posted by: Jon in VA | September 12, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Kay--are you serious? Do you really think our presidential picks should be based on how much one contributes? Well, then, in your universe, let's see who has contributed more at the presidents level. Who does love their country more, Kay? The man whose rise to power came from the assistance of his father and grandfather, since his graduating standing was so low? Or the man who came from poor roots and still managed to put himself through school and graduate at the top of his class and eventually lead the Harvard Review? And then, what did he do with his degrees? Why, he put his country first by becoming a community organizer while working for low wages in order to better a Chicago low income community. For 3 years.

Seriously, this is how you think we should pick our presidents? Heaven help us.

Posted by: YesObama | September 12, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

aaaah...err..er.err oh.....a...well...a...hmmm.....aaahhhh

B. Hussien Obama

Posted by: BHObama | September 12, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The notion that global warming is a crock is derived from the work of conservative think-tanks like the Heartland Institute, all front groups funded by the Koch Corporation, a right-leaning energy company that makes billions of dollars off polluting the air, sea, and land. Why do you think we hear the identical arguments on Fox, Rush, etc? They all read it off a sheet. Do your research. Plenty of conservatives know the truth about Global Warming: it's a clear and present danger. The rest of the world has taken steps to protect itself.

Posted by: Mackenzie | September 12, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Maybe one of you "environmentalist" types can define the mechanism(s), effect(s) and outcome of "global warming". Remember, by definition, climate and weather is chaotic, predictable (barely) out to days. And yes, pollution pumped into the atmosphere can have a cause and effect. But, have we tipped the scale? And if we have, prove it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey, maybe instead of posting a 3-page article, maybe you could just provide a link next time???

Hey, lighten up on Palin. She'll likely end up like the rest of them.

But listen, we've got McCain and Biden with TONS of experience (be it good or bad) and Palin and Obama with LITTLE experience. Their experience leaves them both in political grammar school arguing about who's in 2nd grade vs. who's in 3rd. They are both extreme lightweights in terms of experience and I'd defy ANYONE to say different.

The simple truth is... McCain is probably the better choice because with a Democratic congress, the executive and legislative branches will be FORCED to compromise and meet in the middle on things (which is where 90% of Americans live politically). Anyway, that should prevent either party from going too extreme. Might be the best option this time around. Maybe both sides will put up better candidates in 4 years.

PEACE

Posted by: smc | September 12, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Beside inventing the internet I invented Global Warming. It was a great way to get funding and money for scientists. As long as they say it exists they get more and more money.

We all need to protect the world... we all do a good job and get better at it every day. But, these scientists need money and lots of it.. so please protect the poor polar bear that video we shot when we put the bear out there on the ice and didn't show the rest of the picture was hard to get.

Thanks!

By the way... have you seen my electric bill or my private jet fuel bill? It's HUGE!!!!

Posted by: AlGore | September 12, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Why is is that Democrats vote hoping that something good come out of it,

and republicans vote with the thinking that they'll personally get some good out of it?

Posted by: howells | September 12, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

The left twisting the truth and acting irrationally? All Republicans clinging to such drivel fit perfectly with their lying presidential candidates. Sarah Palin has lied about every major question she's been asked. John McZombie is no better. He runs ads that are flat-out lies, and then heads to public TV interviews as continues to lie, even after he's been presented with the evidence proving he's a liar. But does that stop him, heck no, he still insists he's telling the truth. I look forward to their upcoming book: "How to Lie Your Way into the Presidency."

Posted by: JohnnyPavo | September 12, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"You can put lipstick on a Republican, but a Republican is still a Republican" And a liberal, by definition, has a mental disorder. Al Gore is an opportunistic hack. He's a fraud and so are the Chicken Little claims of his Hollywood-fueled propaganda. I can't wait for Sarah to ultimately become our first female president.

Posted by: DaMayor | September 12, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

No, the media's job is to expose the truth (or at least try to, which they don't always get right -- I'll give you that, sir)....On this point, though, she clearly lied. I remember her actually making the second statement.

Posted by: Seth | September 12, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes and lets not make the same mistake twice. It should be a requirement that a canadate for president of the United States of America, has graduated top of his or hers class in university.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Aw c'mon. Give her at least until election to catch up with all of Obama's flip-flops, spin, and disengenous nuanced rhetoric. Thus far, Obama is way in the lead. In fact, his nose could reach across the Potomac.

Posted by: cecil | September 12, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Shut up with the "liberal media bashing" claims."

It wouldn't matter who said it. If they point out a fact that portrays McSame or Carabou Barbie as lying, twisting the truth or just plain mentally unstable, you right wing wackos call it "liberal media bashing."

I have news for you. A fact is a fact and it doesn't matter who the messenger is.

Posted by: Dave | September 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that level of ignorance is absolutely frightening. I would question her readiness to be a governor, much less a VP. This is a joke. Without any further consideration - OBAMA/BIDEN 08. No new cold war.

Posted by: wow | September 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Justadad55 question for you. What is the trend for major hurricanes making landfall in the US? In the past 10 years how many times has the global temperature increased. If you don't know the answer to these questions probably need to do some research if you are basing decisions on global warming.

Posted by: john | September 12, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I guess if you're stupid enough to believe in Creationsim, you're likely to be stupid enough to not believe that greenhouse gasses cause global warming. Of course, when your foriegn policy experience consists of your proximity to Russia, anything's possible.

Posted by: Jeff | September 12, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sfbriansmith | September 12, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

First, she said she doesn't attribute it to human activity. Now, she says she does. Don't try to smear the truth. She's worse than 90's slimeball Clinton.

Doesn't matter what she says, really. Every word she's spoken to the press since accepting the nomination has come right from the campaign in prepared statements. This is your great white hope, GOP?

Posted by: Mary | September 12, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Anyone reminded of that male valley girl Dan
Quayle? ... one plus is she didn't dodge the
draft like he did. Come to think of it, she differs from the current occupants of the
WH, Veep Mansion and appointees on that account too. Hmmm ... A new kind of Republican?

Posted by: SarahQuayle | September 12, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

after reading the vitrolic, who could say we don't contribute to global warming. lighten up.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

We all need to take a deep breath and for at least once in your life, you really need to put your country first. One of the reasons America is in such a mess is that we elected a president (George W. Bush) who doesn't have the smarts it takes to lead this great nation.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I was on the fence,until I took a look at the republican's VP. Now,I reluctantly have to vote for Obama for president..

Posted by: ken | September 12, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"The Republican Party: Your Bridge to Nowhere."

oh honey-bear you got the drop.

Posted by: Jaylike Birds | September 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

He double-talk and prepared statements are insulting to my intelligence. This interview was like watching the spokesman for some falled CEO on Dateline equivocate for his boss. Disgusting.

Posted by: John | September 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I thought Media was supposed to be bi-partisian?

Posted by: Jean Novak | September 12, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. This "Palin" thing isn't going so well.

Posted by: Sam | September 12, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

So we've already learned that Palin's personal religious beliefs (whether her true beliefs or the left's pathetic attempts to misrepresent them) are causing a tizzy. Now, we learn that she's not yet been converted to the new faith-based, state-embraced religion... Global Warming. Disgraceful.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Global Warming is a crock. All four major climate tracking organizations traced a global cooling last year that reduce the average temp to almost a 100 year LOW offsetting virtual all of the "warming" That and the fact that before the temperature has been basically level since 2000 ...

The scientific "consensus" is more like a force confession. Agree or lose funding. On top of that, read what she said and did not say. In the interview she denied "absolute proof" that we are the cause. That is far, far away from “questioned the connection". Get a life, read the real science and quit being lemmings.

Posted by: Idiots All | September 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

One word describes Palin in the interview: passive.

She seems to have no idea why she'd want to be vice-president, or president. I'd considered McCain before. After hear Palin speak, I really can't vote for the man. Anyone who thinks this woman is prepared has their head screwed on wrong.

The difference between Obama and Palin: ambition and vision. Barack has it. Palin doesn't. McCain lost his after the 2000 election when he learned to play dirty like the Bush machine that steamrolled him.

No way this woman is a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Posted by: Jane N | September 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Palin is CLEARLY NOT QUALIFIED. Why is there even a discussion about this?

(Hint: because Republican's care more about winning than they do about America).

Posted by: TekBoss | September 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The "global warming" debate is just ridiculous. No one thinks that man can just destroy the world and not care. We all do.. at least in this country.. in China that may be different. However, we do have differnt views on how climate change occurs and why it occurs. Repub and Dems are not bent on destroying our environment.

If any of us can think back to the 70's and look at how far we have truly come it is amazing. It will only continue to get better and we will be more conscious of our world. Ms. Palin feels as we all do on the topic. Her statement is really more or less saying that we are unsure how much effect man has had on the climate change at this point. Any scientist who is actually studying this would make the same statement.

To quote and take Al Gore as the gospel on this topic is rather shallow. His movie was more about shock effect than totally based on fact. In many cases it is far from it.

The Polar Bear situation is something you really need to check out from reputatable sources and not the far left trash... You may be surprised at what you learn

Posted by: TomB | September 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The "first dude" aka Todd Palin finally got his well deserved supoena today in Alaska.

Makes me wonder if the good people of Alaska weren't a whole lot happier with their previous anonymity. Now that the lid is off the GOP septic tank up there (first Stevens, now Palin), they're going to need a first class turd herder to clean this mess up.


Posted by: Laura R | September 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

You can put lipstick on a Republican, but a Republican is still a Republican.

Posted by: Sue | September 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Palin's denial of the comments she made on global warming and the contribution of human activities tell us she is a flip-flopper and liar who can directly look into your eyes and lie without a blink.

Posted by: beevee | September 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

She's a loaded cannon, folks. She got all snarky with Charlie when he called her out on her lie. She's ruthless; very accustomed to getting her own way all the time, or else she throws a fit.

Problem is, when you lie SO MUCH, it's hard to keep track of what you are saying, especially if you are not particularly bright in the first place, and especially if you actually believe the opposite of what you are saying.

Of course she's a right wing religious wacko. We know that. That's why they have her on the ticket. But now they have to tone her down so she appeals to the moderates.

She must be causing her handlers some major stress. Ooh, can you imagine how they CRINGED when she didn't have a single clue about the Bush Doctrine?

I just simply cannot WAIT to see her debate Biden. That should be just peachy. What do you wanna bet she'll get all snarky with Joe? But she'll get away with it because she's a WOMAN. She can abuse people, but heaven forbid somebody calls her out... or it's SEXISM.

Just having this wacky woman on the ticket because she IS a woman is the ultimate in sexism.

Oh, and one more thing. Isn't there a commandment in her religion that says "thou shalt not LIE"? Add her to the LONG LONG list of evangelical hypocrites.

Remember that Ted Haggard guy? They're all the same. Say one thing, do the other...

Posted by: lindsay | September 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Trevor, regardless of what you think of the actual issue, Palin has contradicted herself yet again.

She's either a halfwit, or a liar. And she looks pretty smart to me.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | September 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

As someone who has a personal friend who is a Holocaust Survivor, I am deeply ashamed of anyone who links the word "Deny" with the Earth's Climate.

The inference of "Global Warming Denier" is clear & obvious. And utterly shameful.

As an aside, anyone still preaching the Al Gore pseudo-science is about 2 years out of date. I've presented more info here.

Keep up the phoney attacks against Palin though. You're just swinging more & more voters to the Republican side.

Posted by: Robert W. | September 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

As an Asian American, I may have a difficult time choosing a president. McCain, a republican. Obama, a civil right activist mostly for certian group. Going to confuse a lot of democratic voters. But, republican, not sure for another 4 years of the economy right now.
: (

Posted by: EL | September 12, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I love hockey mom and her lipstick just perfect to deal with Putin. The intelligent right. I am so proud I can spell VICTORY.
OK I AM STUPID.

Posted by: Red meat | September 12, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Where did I miss that "The One" has sole rights to the concept of 'Change'??? Some of the prior comment/responses above truely show the left's tactic to slander, dodge, twist and/or ignore reality. It's like talking to a brick wall, there's no arguing with irrationallity.

Posted by: Patriot | September 12, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I know we're suppose to walk on egg shells around Sarah Palin.
After all she does eat moose burgers an all.

That being said - Sarah Palin is a joke - and a cynical insult toward the American people.

Posted by: PulSamsara | September 12, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Of course, humans caused global warming! If you don't believe this "scientific consensus," you're a heretic, and should be burned at the proverbial stake of the media!

Ah yes, the true freedom we have in science.

Posted by: Trevor | September 12, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow,

I see more liberal media bashing the VP canidate than any other real issues concerning either Presidential canidate. If this is what the media comes down to. Shame on you.

http://www.FastArizona.com

Posted by: ... | September 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Juliet,

Your article is disingenuous.

How is there any contradiction between saying, 'I have never said that there is absolute proof that man has nothing to do with global warming' and 'I'm not going to blame humans for global warming'.

Why are all journalists so bad at logic? It's as though you a) have to avoid it to get the job done or b) have an agenda and you don't care about playing fair to achieve it.

Posted by: Greg | September 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Ha, global warming still in question... still? after 50 years of not dying and the bar pushed back of the "tiling point". This is not a glass of orange juice. There is no "tilting point" point of no return, or doom point... sorry Al Gore fans. The computer models are horribly flawed, made by humans. 50 years from now, when I am dead. I hope there isn't some futuristic version of global warming or cooling and we all live our lives.

Posted by: Been Alive for a long time | September 12, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Finally! The conservative media is taking a look at this person. What took so long?

Posted by: Esteban | September 12, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse


Bushette is worse than Bush!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The Bush doctrine is to steal the election, govern with dumbness and evil, and hide your V.P. in the bunker.

Posted by: Karl Roover | September 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, yes.

Every time something surfaces about Ms Palin that is politically inconvenient (teen pregnancy, the bridge to nowhere, book banning) or that is factually inescapable (10,000 year-old dinosaurs, the Iraq-9/11 connection, and now climate change), the lipstick sugardaddies spring to her defense with the expected not-so's and she-never-said's and as-a-matter-of-fact's.

If you keep on spinning like that, you're going to fall over.

The Republican Party: Your Bridge to Nowhere.

Posted by: cbmtrx | September 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The new Magoo/Palin Axis of Evil:

1. Russia
2. Eye-Ran
3. FactCheck.org

Add to that-
4. People that remember her original words that say the exact opposite of what she is saying today.

Posted by: Jh Atlanta, GA | September 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Palin Background Check:
--------------------------


*Stupid, check.

*Corrupt, check.

*Beligerent and war mongering, check.

*Religious fanatic and reality denier, check check.


Yeah, I guess McCain DID vet her. She's a perfect fit for the Greedy Oil Party.

Posted by: Rene Lee | September 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This twit lies as much as Magoo.

Posted by: DWayne | September 12, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Biden's a real generous guy...

"Biden and his wife, Jill, earned $319,853 in adjusted gross income and paid $72,787 in federal taxes last year, including $2,721 in alternative minimum taxes. They claimed $995 in deductions for charitable giving, about triple what they deducted in any of the nine previous years. Over the past decade they reported giving an average of $369 to charity. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=am_Rg6sl2eqY&refer=home

Ask not what your country has done for you, but what you can do for your country.
-John F. Kennedy
So which candidate has served President Kennedy's expression more?
Who really loves our country more?

Such simple questions, to which the answers are SO PROFOUNDLY important.

Posted by: Kay | September 12, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

And remember, under Palin's watch, Alaska sued the Dept. of the Interior to contest the listing of the polar bear as "threatened." This, despite clear support for the listing from Alaska's wildlife officials.

The main threat to the polar bear is loss of habitat, due to sea ice loss, which is largely due to human-induced global warming. Palin may say now that she believes humans cause global warming, but her actions in the polar bear suit show her true colors.

From the polar bear suit, it is clear that whatever Palin REALLY believes on global warming, she's not likely to agree to any action that impedes oil or gas extraction. That makes it look unlikely that she'd support any substantive action to reduce carbon emissions.

Posted by: lorax | September 12, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The new Magoo/Palin Axis of Evil:

1. Russia
2. Eye-Ran
3. FactCheck.org

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Just imagine something happens to McCain and she becomes president with her knowledge and wisdom. We feel then so safe with her and our economy will blossom and we will sing all Hallelujah!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Palin's comments are quite accurate according to the consensus if I recall correctly. Global Warming isn't caused by human events much like erosion isn't caused by human events. Both erosion and global warming are in part impacted by humans but aren't caused by it. Please read carefully, a basic understanding of reading comprehension is required.

Posted by: B.H.S | September 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Enjoy the hunt VP.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 12, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I've heard a lot of defenses of Palin's lack of knowledge about world affairs and I have to say, most of them aren't acceptable. The fact that she is continuously trying to lie her way to the white house is just as preposterous.

Regardless of whether you're a governor or not, if you're trying to be Vice President of the United States, you should know what is going on in the world. After watching the interview in its entirety, I have made my decision that the republicans are attempting to land us in an even worse situation than we are currently in by continuing the same practices and now, putting out fate in the hands of Sarah Palin who didn't know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite a few weeks ago.

Finally my decision has been made.

Obama '08

Posted by: Independent | September 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Guess I got cut off. Well, Mother nature is not hitting Alaska, but Houston. Canada will always be there for you because we are one.
Mother Nature is on the hunt.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 12, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

We have reached a new low in civic life. Lying is okay as long as you win.

The truth does not matter, the media does not matter, objectivity has no meaning.

I fear for my country. I fear for it. Because if this is true ... and the economy crashes next year ... then I tremble for our country.

Posted by: annb | September 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have no moral compass"
-greytok
*************************

Greytok, I'm prochoice, BUT your candidate takes it to the level of Dante's Inferno-
even NARAL, Ted Kennedy, and Barbara Boxer approved The Infant Protection Act, saying it was NOT a threat to Roe v Wade.
BUT NOT BARACK OBAMA!


"On the hot-button issue of abortion, last month saw a growing concern over Mr. Obama's opposition to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which states if an abortion is botched and a live birth results, the baby is entitled to medical care. The federal version of this law unanimously passed the U.S. Senate.

However, when a version of this bill came to the Illinois Senate, Mr. Obama opposed it. When confronted last month with the fact that the federal version of this bill had been supported by the likes of Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer, Mr. Obama said the he would have supported the federal version. Those suggesting otherwise were lying, he said. Then it was revealed that a second bill was introduced in the Illinois Senate, and this one was identical to the federal version. Mr. Obama opposed that bill as well. He has yet to come up with an explanation on that one."


Posted by: Scott | September 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Having read what she already said for the last week or so, how could her handlers let her botch the global warming question?

Maybe she lost that index card along the way.

Posted by: nowanna1 | September 12, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

In light of John McCain's decision to follow the same swiftboating path that he so fervidly denounced in 2004, it is now apparent that the Obama campaign has been too kind by simply suggesting that a McCain-Palin administration would be a continuation of Bush-Cheney.

After the scurrilous McCain approved ads lying about Obama's record, it is clear that John McCain believes that the best way to win the presidency is to lie to the American people and that a McCain-Palin administration would be much worse than the current Bush-Cheney administration.

Posted by: politicjock | September 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

here's what obamaites will look like when the presidential race is over...the messiah is gone..

tldjrba1@gmail.com

cut and paste

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

thank god for sane people...but i really wish we humans could heat up the atmosphere, we are going to need it in the mini cooling period ahead...lets fire up the carbon and keep the earth from cooling down,,,i hate the cold...

Posted by: td | September 12, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow!! Sarah lied?? REALLY????? Gosh, but...but...she's cute!

Posted by: roooth | September 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm for Independence from Foreign Oil AND Against Global Warming- So, I CAN'T vote Democratic this year, because your candidate panders to his Illinois Farmers!


Obama's Gift to Illinois farmers-

(I thought he was for a REDUCTION in dependency on foreign oil- corn ethanol requires 1 unit of petroleum for every unit it replaces- the more we make, the more we need, the bigger the profits in Illinois and the warmer the planet gets)

Study: Ethanol may add to global warming
Updated 2/8/2008 5:52 PM
By H. Josef Hebert, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON — The widespread use of ethanol from corn could result in nearly twice the greenhouse gas emissions as the gasoline it would replace because of expected land-use changes, researchers concluded Thursday. The study challenges the rush to biofuels as a response to global warming.
The researchers said that past studies showing the benefits of ethanol in combating climate change have not taken into account almost certain changes in land use worldwide if ethanol from corn — and in the future from other feedstocks such as switchgrass — become a prized commodity.
"Using good cropland to expand biofuels will probably exacerbate global warming," concludes the study published in Science magazine.
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The researchers said that farmers under economic pressure to produce biofuels will increasingly "plow up more forest or grasslands," releasing much of the carbon formerly stored in plants and soils through decomposition or fires. Globally, more grasslands and forests will be converted to growing the crops to replace the loss of grains when U.S. farmers convert land to biofuels, the study said.
The Renewable Fuels Association, which represents ethanol producers, called the researchers' view of land-use changes "simplistic" and said the study "fails to put the issue in context."
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"Assigning the blame for rainforest deforestation and grassland conversion to agriculture solely on the renewable fuels industry ignores key factors that play a greater role," said Bob Dinneen, the association's president.
There has been a rush to developing biofuels, especially ethanol from corn and cellulosic feedstock such as switchgrass and wood chips, as a substitute for gasoline. President Bush signed energy legislation in December that mandates a six-fold increase in ethanol use as a fuel to 36 billion gallons a year by 2022, calling the requirement key to weaning the nation from imported oil.
The new "green" fuel, whether made from corn or other feedstocks, has been widely promoted — both in Congress and by the White House — as a key to combating global warming. Burning it produces less carbon dioxide, the leading greenhouse gas, than the fossil fuels it will replace.
During the recent congressional debate over energy legislation, lawmakers frequently cited estimates that corn-based ethanol produces 20% less greenhouse gases in production, transportation and use than gasoline, and that cellulosic ethanol has an even greater benefit of 70% less emissions.
The study released Thursday by researchers affiliated with Princeton University and a number of other institutions maintains that these analyses "were one-sided" and counted the carbon benefits of using land for biofuels but not the carbon costs of diverting land from its existing uses.
"The other studies missed a key factor that everyone agrees should have been included, the land use changes that actually are going to increase greenhouse gas emissions," said Tim Searchinger, a research scholar at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs and lead author of the study.
The study said that after taking into account expected worldwide land-use changes, corn-based ethanol, instead of reducing greenhouse gases by 20%, will increases it by 93% compared to using gasoline over a 30-year period. Biofuels from switchgrass, if they replace croplands and other carbon-absorbing lands, would result in 50% more greenhouse gas emissions, the researchers concluded.

Posted by: Scott | September 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey VP palin, is Alaska suffering what is happening now today in the lower USA. Wake up.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

PNAC and AIPAC have I high-jacked this nation.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe"

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