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Palin Talks Up "Ohio-Alaskan Connection" in Swing State


Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin waves from a vehicle after exiting her plane at the Akron Canton Regional Airport on Sept. 15, 2008 in Green, Ohio. (AP/The Repository, Scott Heckel)

By Juliet Eilperin
CANTON, Ohio -- In her first solo fundraiser as the GOP vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin made much of what she calls "that Ohio-Alaskan connection."

She noted that her seven-year old daughter Piper "was wearing her Ohio State cheerleading outfit" as she bounded down the stairs to welcome her home last week. She boasted that she has taken a tough line against predators (approving the shooting of wolves from helicopters), just like Ohioans target coyotes. "It's a pretty darn controversial thing up in Alaska, but you've gotta do what you've gotta do!" she declared.

Local businessman Tim Timken, who announced the fundraiser "raised just shy of $1 million," introduced Palin by saying she had experience "balancing the budget of the largest state in the union" (that's referring to its geographic size, rather than the size of its population or budget). But even he sounded a bit taken aback by her rapid political rise, saying at one point, "As mayor of Wasilla -- Wasilla, who would have ever thought we would be talking about Wasilla?"

The guests, who numbered between 100 and 150, munched on standard country club fare, including crab claws, potato-wrapped shrimp and desserts such as blondies and lemon squares as Palin spoke for 20 minutes. Palin made it clear that she and John McCain were focused on the state -- "Ohio as got to be a victorious state for us, for the ticket," she said -- and she recalled how warmly she felt about the state's delegation when she delivered her keynote address at the GOP Convention.

"There Ohio was right out in front, right in front of me. The teleprompter got messed up, I couldn't follow it, and I just decided I'd just talk to the people in front of me," she said, referring to the minor technical malfunction she faced. "It was Ohio."

Palin focused most of her remarks on praising John McCain, saying the fact that she and her family members have operated small businesses gave her "an incentive to join John McCain in shakin' things up in Washington and doing some things for small business."

She vowed to address the problems on Wall Street, saying "We're going to protect the life savings of everyday Americans."

"The issue of the financial turmoil in the markets is of very, very real concern," she said. "Now we have to deal w. the mismanagement and the abuses in Washington and on Wall Street that caused this problem. John McCain and I are going to reform the way Wall Street does business."

At the end of the event, Palin stepped aside to let the "First Dude" make a comment. While he only spoke for a moment, Palin displayed the commitment to Ohio as his wife. "Thanks for supporting this ticket, it's the right ticket to support," he said. "You've got a beautiful state, and go Buckeyes."

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Posted by: epcqtjmg uphtbdxnw | September 20, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

This woman is 1 step away from being a felon, now she is trying to get Trooper gate thrown out. I wonder If I rob a bank I could get that thrown out. I am not sure what happens in AL when you break the law, but when you break the law here you go to jail. Getting it thrown out is only an admission to your guilt. I still cannot believe someone under investigation was selected for VP. This is a joke. Not to mention your ZERO skills for the position.

Posted by: hottpics | September 17, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain is now one on one with the double edge sword of Palin. The Bimbo used a yahoo account for state business???? I would be fired if that was the case where I work. But I guess federal secrets aren't that important. She is one big gaffe.....

Posted by: erik | September 17, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign spent more than five hours on Monday attempting to figure out the best refutation of the explosive New York Post report that quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying that Barack Obama during his July visit to Baghdad demanded that Iraq not negotiate with the Bush Administration on the withdrawal of American troops. Instead, he asked that they delay such negotiations until after the presidential handover at the end of January.

The three problems, according to campaign sources: The report was true, there were at least three other people in the room with Obama and Zebari to confirm the conversation, and there was concern that there were enough aggressive reporters based in Baghdad with the sources to confirm the conversation that to deny the comments would create a bigger problem.

Instead, Obama's national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi told reporters that Obama told the Iraqis that they should not rush through what she termed a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of U.S. forces until after President Bush left office. In other words, the Iraqis should not negotiate an American troop withdrawal.

According to a Senate staffer working for Sen. Joseph Biden, Biden himself got involved in the shaping of the statement. "The whole reason he's on the ticket is the foreign policy insight," explained the staffer.


BREAKING THE BANK
The woman whom Barack Obama is crediting for organizing the Barbra Streisand fundraiser it held last night in Hollywood is also partially responsible for one of the greater banking collapses in American history.

Penny Pritzker, Obama's national finance chair was, with her family, the half owner of Superior Bank, which was shut down in 2001 by the FDIC after it had lost nearly all of its more than $2 billion of assets on bad loans to high-risk borrowers, federal regulators said.

Pritzker has avoided media attention over the past week as reporters covering the Obama campaign sought comment on the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac debacle.

Pritzker also served as finance chair for Obama's Senate run, and supported him during his time in the Illinois state legislature.

One reason Pritzker may have been enamored with Obama was his willingness to press legislation that loosened state regulatory policies for land developers and multi-family property owners.

Pritzker is also known to be close to Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett, a former political operative for Mayor Richard M. Daley, and the CEO of a housing and development company based in Chicago with ties to Obama going back to his Illinois legislature days.

Jarrett, by the way, is now considered to be the top candidate to fill Obama's Senate seat should he be elected President.



Posted by: rtfanning | September 17, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Palin is campaigning as if she were running for student council president. Hockey moms for palin? How sick. Jockstraps for brains.

McCain voted AGAINST equal pay for women because it would be too big a hardship on businesses. (Women get 77 cents on the dollar) Wise up women....vote something other than gender. We derseve equality and it isn't coming from McCain/Palin!

Posted by: Nancy | September 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Sarah Palins teleprompter did not malfunction. There where many people who could see it working and even the RNC commission addmitted it was working. If it takes a uh or two to deliver an honest speach, then what's so bad about that. I don't need 4 more years of lies thanks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/palin-spreads-debunked-te_n_126762.html

Posted by: Jeff | September 17, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

No one could even tell during her speech the teleprompter malfunctioned. Obama on the other hand, it would be so obvious with all the uh,uh,uh,uh,uh,uh,uh,uh...

I can't wait until the debates...I expect no less then 25 uh's per answer. I am giving 10:1 odds...any takers?

Posted by: dan | September 17, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

I am so amused by how gaga everyone is because Sarah Palin shot a moose. I used to live in Alaska. Moose are like cattle. Very docile creatures if you don't overly provoke them or bother a calf. Unless the moose had a gun and could shoot back, it's not really a qualification for Vice President. Maybe she & Dick Cheney, who shot his hunting buddy instead of the penned up and released birds, could get together. Maybe they will shoot each other and give us all a little relief

Posted by: oldwoman | September 16, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"Let me tell you all a story 'bout a man named Jed,
the poor mountaineer barely kept his family fed."
"Then one day he was shootin'at some food,
and up from the ground came a bubblin' crude....black gold,Texas tea...y'all come back now...ya hear!"

Posted by: klowry57 | September 16, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Polly Bergen was the first woman American president.What was the name of that movie,baby boomers?
This candidacy that includes Sarah Palin reflects the same theme as the Polly Bergen movie: yeah,she got there but the plot stinks and it can't be done with too soon.
Remember,my fellow Americans,Hollywood creates us,not vice-versa.Shame,shame,shame...

Posted by: sir leary | September 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Polly Bergen was the first woman American president.What was the name of that movie,baby boomers?
This candidacy that includes Sarah Palin reflects the same theme as the Polly Bergen movie: yeah,she got there but the plot stinks and it can't be done with too soon.
Remember,my fellow Americans,Hollywood creates us,not vice-versa.Shame,shame,shame...

Posted by: sir leary | September 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Polly Bergen was the first woman American president.What was the name of that movie,baby boomers?
This candidacy that includes Sarah Palin reflects the same theme as the Polly Bergen movie: yeah,she got there but the plot stinks and it can't be done with too soon.
Remember,my fellow Americans,Hollywood creates us,not vice-versa.Shame,shame,shame...

Posted by: sir leary | September 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Polly Bergen was the first woman American president.What was the name of that movie,baby boomers?
This candidacy that includes Sarah Palin reflects the same theme as the Polly Bergen movie: yeah,she got there but the plot stinks and it can't be done with too soon.
Remember,my fellow Americans,Hollywood creates us,not vice-versa.Shame,shame,shame...

Posted by: sir leary | September 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Polly Bergen was the first woman American president.What was the name of that movie,baby boomers?
This candidacy that includes Sarah Palin reflects the same theme as the Polly Bergen movie: yeah,she got there but the plot stinks and it can't be done with too soon.
Remember,my fellow Americans,Hollywood creates us,not vice-versa.Shame,shame,shame...

Posted by: sir leary | September 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

For a foreign observer, Mrs.Palin shows no substance, after all. America deserve a candidate with higher intelectual standards. Americans: wake up!

Posted by: brazilianRio | September 16, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"If you have not listened to T. Boone Pickens, you should."


Don't you find it A LITTLE suspicious, that an Oil billionaire is pushing "alternative" energy.

I was skeptical from the start, and guess what.

His position is "drill drill drill" and what he's pushing is natural gas.

He's saying things like alternative resources aren't available yet, so what to do. Buy natural gas! Duh!

What about driving less? Public Transportation, light-rail?

What about Diesel engines, which can reach an efficiency of 50 MPG?

NO, CNG is what Picken's pushing!

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Posted by: el_barto | September 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The thing that gets me very excited about Obama is his extremely detailed plan for renewable energy. If you have not listened to T. Boone Pickens, you should.

In ten years America can reduce our dependence on foreign oil immensely, much more than we could with drilling in the US, but here's where it gets really exciting. America once led the industrial revolution, then we lead with the information age. Renewable energy is poised to be the next big thing America leads with.

If we stopped the war in Iraq and spend even a few months of the 10 billion per month it costs to be in Iraq, we could easily subsidize and jump start energy development.

Two things will happen, the first is the creation of an entire new industry with jobs in every city. Good jobs with good pay. The money that was once going to the Middle East decreases and creates wealth here at home ... but not wealth that goes into Exxon's pockets, wealth that goes to hundreds of thousands of middle-class Americans.

The next thing that happens is that oil prices actually go down because of the large decrease in consumption. The middle east tries to react to the competition by lowering prices and restricting availability .. but it's useless because our energy sources continue to grow.

You have to understand that oil owns McCain and Palin also has a vested interest in oil. The only way oil will let go of their stranglehold on the US is if they can make profits in another way, either by being awarded the oil contracts here, or the nuclear reactor contracts here, or both .... unless their power is stripped from them by someone like Obama and the American people.

There is no reason we cannot do this other than our own fears that we cannot do this. Obama really has asked us to believe, and even if you don't believe in Obama, seriously consider what T. Boone Pickens plan entails and seriously contemplate what you know is true .. that McCain can't go down that path even if he wanted to.

Posted by: dave | September 16, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

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I wasn't aware coyotes were that big of a problem in Ohio.


I thought unemployment, plant closings, and shipping their jobs overseas was.


Who's the out-of-touch elitist again?

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Posted by: el_barto | September 16, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey Palin, go congratulate McCain for losing Michigan (and probably most of the Big Ten states)...tsk, tsk, dressing your daughter up in an Ohio State cheerleading outfit, and your husband stating, "Go Buckeyes"...not only do you not have a clue about the election issues and public policy, but you have lousy taste in college football teams. Go Blue!

Posted by: McCain will now lose Michigan | September 16, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey! we can put alaska in play!how about
that! democrats in alaska, help is on the way!hold and resist,help is on the way,
we need alaska in our column! hold and resist,HELP IS ON THE WAY! SOS MIKE GRAVEL.

DEMOCRATS FOR THE PARTY,AND COUNTRY.

Posted by: SHAMUS THE WHALE | September 16, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

S.O.S FOR MIKE GRAVEL S.O.S FOR MIKE GRAVEL
WERE ARE YOU !WE NEED YOU MIKE ,PILOT TO
NAVIGATOR, MIKE WE NEED HELP AND DIRECTION
ISN'T THIS NECK OF THE WOODS? COME BACK
TO YOUR PARTY MIKE.

CHANGE (08)

Posted by: BIG FOOT | September 16, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

What was the minor technical glitch at the convention speech? Did some truth accidentally appear on the teleprompter?

Posted by: Thanks But No Thanks | September 16, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Nice touch about the wolves. Team Obama is really popping today. I liked what he had to say about McCain's "economic" philosophy!
http://www.boppoll.com
This should have McCain's meter spinning!

Posted by: mgultch | September 16, 2008 3:11 AM | Report abuse

McPalin/God '08 !!!

Posted by: McPalin | September 16, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse


FROM THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT JOHN EDWARD'S, THEY NOW BRINGS YOU: "TRACK PALIN"
THE COKE HEAD WHO BEAT GOING TO JAIL BY GOING IN THE MILITARY AND HIS WONDERFUL PARENTS WHO RAISED SUCH A FINE FAMILY.


The NATIONAL ENQUIRER’S exclusive ongoing investigation of GOP VP Nom Sarah 'Barracuda' Palin’s goes far beyond a mere teen pregnancy crisis this week!

The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse


There are always at least two sides to any story. Neither McCain nor Obama would be where they are if they weren’t both honorable men. Being a politician tends to put them in positions where their actions can be taken out of context. No one can see the depth of their decisions without a lot of hard work. Seeing that, that is unlikely; I look forward to the debates and hope the candidates will at least give us a glimpse into their psyches. Nothing else really matters…

Posted by: walt69 | September 16, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

For those wondering why Obama does not choose to send his children to public school in Hyde Park, let me explain as a Hyde Park resident. I do not know for certain which school his children attend, but the University of Chicago's Laboratory School (elementary through high school) was one of the leading forces in developing new and more effective ways of teaching at its inception and still is. Considering that he also would only pay a small fee to send his children there as a university professor, he would be crazy not to send them there.

Also, Hyde Park has areas of mansions accompanied by a mix of slumlord apartments, student housing, and a few average people. The real estate is really only expensive as a result of the university. There has been notable gang violence both north and south of the university campus and very near to the where Obama lives. Before leaving one's home after dark, one has to strongly consider the possibility of being mugged or raped even with a very present police force.

All of the rich people in the area will most likely be sending their children to the University's private school, and from what I've gathered from tutoring kids from the neighboring public schools, their curriculum is an absolute joke. I tutored a senior in math that would normally be taught in 7th grade. He clearly was intelligent and could have excelled, but as it was he would have had no chance at succeeding in college. I was even able to tutor him in the level of Spanish being taught at his school even though I can't speak any Spanish fluently and only know a bit I remember from middle school classes I took nine years ago. No parent who values education would willing send their child to such a school if they could avoid it. Perhaps all of the schools in Hyde Park aren't this bad, but not that bad still doesn't compare to one of the best schools in the nation.

Posted by: Univeristy of Chicago student | September 16, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Scott -

The other thing is, on these blogs, few if any person is going to be swayed even by the best of arguments let alone most of the ones which are posted. People are here to vent, to find affirmation or to pick a fight. Maybe though once in a while, whichever way it might be, something posted may, and I emphasize the "may", get someone to think and actually dig for the facts. It may not change an opinion, but maybe it can open up someone to looking beyond their dogmatic comfort zone.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 16, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Scott wrote?

"I guess the realization of only being 5 pts ahead in NEW YORK (Siena Poll yesterday) is getting you guys frazzled!"

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Actually, not really. Even if it were the case, it isn't as important to me that Obama win by using Palin-McCain campaign smear tactics (leave the free agents out of the discussion) than he win or lose with integrity. Now I certainly would expect him to answer swift boat type attacks, he'd be a fool not to do so.

I'm tired of the polarization which is a plague on this country. We are kept divided purposely so we don't actually work together for solutions. All the while the US looks for all the world like the Roman Empire in decline.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 16, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

The point is( And I knew you wouldn't get it).
Do you think the Palins kids woud be in public schools if there was a choice?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Why does Palin keep repeating this bridge to nowhere crap? It seems like McCain may be elected, but it will no doubt be a bridge to nowhere. Obama offers change, but how will he get past the McCain lies?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

walt69,
Smart post.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

How many private schools do you think are in Wasilla? Maybe if she had sunk the fortune she got in ice rink money into the schools they would be in better shape.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:51 PM

The point is (Knew you'd miss it) how many excellent PUBLIC schools are there in Chicago for the 2 lawyers to send their children to?

Posted by: Scott | September 16, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Why is she a economics expert now? Can she see Wall Street from her hotel room?

"The issue of the financial turmoil in the markets is of very, very real concern," she said. "Now we have to deal w. the mismanagement and the abuses in Washington and on Wall Street that caused this problem. John McCain and I are going to reform the way Wall Street does business."

Posted by: samiam | September 16, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Lets start slower how about the 5th paragraph...

Some might conclude that the BAIPA is part of the old politics of poison-pill legislation. The intention is to antagonize voters in the cultural wars. (A similar BAIPA bill in Kansas was vetoed by Catholic Governor Sibelius – an Obama supporter who also reaped the “infanticide” label.) The spinning says: “Vote against this bill and you are guilty of infanticide!” It’s like saying “Approving U.S. dues to the U.N. is a vote for world government!” Or the historical case from the 1920s that “Opposing Prohibition is a vote for drunkenness and immorality!” This argument, with the appropriate simian-like caricatures of the Irish, was used against Catholics way-back-then. Charity requires us to avoid recourse to the same hateful logic against those with whom we differ.

The logic simply doesn’t stand. If Obama is guilty of infanticide for opposing mandated health care in the relatively few cases of abortion survivors, then isn’t McCain guilty of far worse by denying government mandated health care to 46 million Americans? I reject this logic: McCain’s plan does not amount to genocide of the poor and Obama’s vote is not infanticide. With his characteristic serenity, Senator Obama refused to descend into the mud of accusations, demands for retraction, etc. That kind of old politics produces tribalistic hatred rather than participatory progress and it's so unChristian!

I can understand faith-based passion about political issues. The unjust war in Iraq, torture of prisoners, and experimentation on stem cells -- as well as abortion – all are issues on which different Catholics have strong opinions. But you have to take them all together to get a full picture of Catholicism in America. A single issue approach distorts the seamless web of life which we are bound to defend. I also believe that exaggerating an issue, trivializes it. Like the little boy who cried “Wolf!” once too often, ranting and raving without logical grounding weakens, rather than strengthens, our Catholic cause. Inflated rhetoric and flawed logic may not be against the civil law of libel, but God’s commandments have always made it a sin to lie.

Posted by: walt69 | September 15, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

hey walt69,

we appreciate the help, but it's time for bed, buddy. turn of the computer, and get some sleep.

Posted by: tom | September 15, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

How many private schools do you think are in Wasilla? Maybe if she had sunk the fortune she got in ice rink money into the schools they would be in better shape.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should start slow, how about the 4th paragraph...

But things are not always as they seem. Although phrased in legalese, there were three additional and problematic provisions. First, the BAIPA would have immediately usurped the rights of the parents without any hearing or legal process. Second, the act would have mandated taxpayer funds be used for the health care as long as the needy child was alive, administered by still another government bureaucracy. Third, it gave a green light to trial lawyers to sue just about everybody on two legs. Catholic teaching always protects the rights of parents against big government. Moreover, I have enough of my Barry Goldwater vote left in me to be wary of lining the pockets of trial lawyers.

Some might conclude that the BAIPA is part of the old politics of poison-pill legislation. The intention is to antagonize voters in the cultural wars. (A similar BAIPA bill in Kansas was vetoed by Catholic Governor Sibelius – an Obama supporter who also reaped the “infanticide” label.) The spinning says: “Vote against this bill and you are guilty of infanticide!” It’s like saying “Approving U.S. dues to the U.N. is a vote for world government!” Or the historical case from the 1920s that “Opposing Prohibition is a vote for drunkenness and immorality!” This argument, with the appropriate simian-like caricatures of the Irish, was used against Catholics way-back-then. Charity requires us to avoid recourse to the same hateful logic against those with whom we differ.

The logic simply doesn’t stand. If Obama is guilty of infanticide for opposing mandated health care in the relatively few cases of abortion survivors, then isn’t McCain guilty of far worse by denying government mandated health care to 46 million Americans? I reject this logic: McCain’s plan does not amount to genocide of the poor and Obama’s vote is not infanticide. With his characteristic serenity, Senator Obama refused to descend into the mud of accusations, demands for retraction, etc. That kind of old politics produces tribalistic hatred rather than participatory progress and it's so unChristian!

I can understand faith-based passion about political issues. The unjust war in Iraq, torture of prisoners, and experimentation on stem cells -- as well as abortion – all are issues on which different Catholics have strong opinions. But you have to take them all together to get a full picture of Catholicism in America. A single issue approach distorts the seamless web of life which we are bound to defend. I also believe that exaggerating an issue, trivializes it. Like the little boy who cried “Wolf!” once too often, ranting and raving without logical grounding weakens, rather than strengthens, our Catholic cause. Inflated rhetoric and flawed logic may not be against the civil law of libel, but God’s commandments have always made it a sin to lie.


Posted by: walt69 | September 15, 2008 11:42 PM

Posted by: walt69 | September 15, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

yeah we're shakin in our boots from the likes of you, scott.

Posted by: tom | September 15, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Walt69-

Infanticide means actively killing a baby-

Obama just voted 4 times to let a baby die without medical attention if it survived abortion- Lawyers can write volumes on the difference, but the baby is STILL DEAD! Tha's why Boxer and Kennedy voted FOR THE INFANT PROTECTION ACT Walt!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

"you pompous butt head?"

Posted by: tom | September 15, 2008 11:40 PM

Oh Brother aside, the level of discourse in Camp Obama is quickly sinking- I guess
the realization of only being 5 pts ahead in NEW YORK (Siena Poll yesterday) is getting you guys frazzled!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

cat,
I'll keep doing the same thing I've been doing.
Not letting some rich,pompous,hypocrite make my mind up for me.

Posted by: tom | September 15, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

You can spin it how you like, but there is more than meets the eye. again maybe you actually would like to read it this time...
probably not.

from http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/catholicamerica/2008/07/wolf_at_the_door.html

Obama and the "Infanticide" Lie
“Obama” and “infanticide” are being matched in the latest venom eruption on hate-monger sites. For the record, Senator Obama did NOT vote for infanticide while in the Illinois State legislature.

At issue is his vote on a bill entitled, “Born Alive Infants Protection Act” – BAIPA, for short -- which was first introduced into the Illinois legislature in 2001. I have read the exact wording of the bill and the term “infanticide” does not appear anywhere. Fear-mongering with this word is, at the least, a stretch; and, at the worst, a lie. It is a concern for Catholic America because some of the verbal terrorism comes with a Catholic label.

The legislation would have required the state to provide health care to children born alive after an abortion. Now, existing Illinois law already covered all children. But the BAIPA was intended to create a special status for the survivors of abortion – mostly late-term abortion. The BAIPA clarified that these survivors were “children.” If that was all the law intended, I think it should have been passed and Obama’s self-identified faith should have led him to vote for it.

But things are not always as they seem. Although phrased in legalese, there were three additional and problematic provisions. First, the BAIPA would have immediately usurped the rights of the parents without any hearing or legal process. Second, the act would have mandated taxpayer funds be used for the health care as long as the needy child was alive, administered by still another government bureaucracy. Third, it gave a green light to trial lawyers to sue just about everybody on two legs. Catholic teaching always protects the rights of parents against big government. Moreover, I have enough of my Barry Goldwater vote left in me to be wary of lining the pockets of trial lawyers.

Some might conclude that the BAIPA is part of the old politics of poison-pill legislation. The intention is to antagonize voters in the cultural wars. (A similar BAIPA bill in Kansas was vetoed by Catholic Governor Sibelius – an Obama supporter who also reaped the “infanticide” label.) The spinning says: “Vote against this bill and you are guilty of infanticide!” It’s like saying “Approving U.S. dues to the U.N. is a vote for world government!” Or the historical case from the 1920s that “Opposing Prohibition is a vote for drunkenness and immorality!” This argument, with the appropriate simian-like caricatures of the Irish, was used against Catholics way-back-then. Charity requires us to avoid recourse to the same hateful logic against those with whom we differ.

The logic simply doesn’t stand. If Obama is guilty of infanticide for opposing mandated health care in the relatively few cases of abortion survivors, then isn’t McCain guilty of far worse by denying government mandated health care to 46 million Americans? I reject this logic: McCain’s plan does not amount to genocide of the poor and Obama’s vote is not infanticide. With his characteristic serenity, Senator Obama refused to descend into the mud of accusations, demands for retraction, etc. That kind of old politics produces tribalistic hatred rather than participatory progress and it's so unChristian!

I can understand faith-based passion about political issues. The unjust war in Iraq, torture of prisoners, and experimentation on stem cells -- as well as abortion – all are issues on which different Catholics have strong opinions. But you have to take them all together to get a full picture of Catholicism in America. A single issue approach distorts the seamless web of life which we are bound to defend. I also believe that exaggerating an issue, trivializes it. Like the little boy who cried “Wolf!” once too often, ranting and raving without logical grounding weakens, rather than strengthens, our Catholic cause. Inflated rhetoric and flawed logic may not be against the civil law of libel, but God’s commandments have always made it a sin to lie.

Posted by: walt69 | September 15, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Scott,

Obama always has been for Georgian membership in NATO. Just as Biden and McCain have been. The problem was Palin seems ready to push the button either because she doesn't understand the consequences or she does, I'm not sure which. It is very clear that the Georgian president is the one who set the gears in motion and gave Russia an excuse to walk in an spank him hard. The Bush administration warned him about this, but he didn't listen.

So in this situation, even if Georgia was a NATO member and was arguably the original aggressor, would any NATO country actually risk a direct conflict with the Russians? I suspect not.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey! Walt69!!,

Everbody in America is not a catholic.
We don't have to share your views. We are a diverse country and have different values and beliefs! What happened to seperation of church and state, you pompous butt head?

Posted by: tom | September 15, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

walt 69-

Infanticide means actively killing a baby- Obama just voted 4 times to let a baby die without medical attention if it survived abortion- Lawyers can write volumes on the difference, but the baby is STILL DEAD! Tha's why Boxer and Kennedy voted FOR THE INFANT PROTECTION ACT Walt!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Whats odd is palin was willing to coroporate in trooper gate befor she was picked for V.P. What happened, oh she turned into a big time politician.
As mayor of Wasilla, from 96- 02 and 2 prior terms as counsel woman Sara Palin charged victims of rape for the forensic testing and collection of evidence, rape kit. The troopers and most muni agencies covered the cost. Not the city of Wasilla, They didn’t have to charge victims But under Sara’s watch the police dept charged for rape victims for rape kit and testing. Governor Tony Knowles an man put a stop to this in 2000. Sara appointed police Chief Charlie Fannon he disagreed with the law. “The law will require the city and communities to come up with more funds to cover the costs of the forensic exams.” Knowles signs sexual assault bill frontiersman 5/23/2000
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/did_palin_approve_charging_rape_victims_for_rape_kits/ It is important to take note that the article says they charged victims insurance companies assuming they all had insurance, this left them with the co pays. Recently she replaced the police commissioner with Chuck Kopp. He has a prior work record of sexual harassment that he was reprimanded for. Sara is obviously for abstinence only education, No abortion even in the case of rape, and incest Alaska is 1 in the country for rape and incest. While its great she went back to work 3 days after having her child, what message does that send to bonding families, healing mothers and employers not happy with maternity leave. Sara has signed up with a man who has consistently voted against equal pay for women. Kinda of makes you wander if she will take a lower VP pay because she is a woman. On censorship no she didn’t ask for any specific books to be banded “Palin said she asked Emmons how she would respond to censorship.” Palin used the library topic as an example of discussions with her department heads about understanding and following administration agendas
Then tried to fire her here it the original article from 12.18.96 http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/09/05/breaking_news/doc48c1c8a60d6d9379155484.txt
Sara is all about regression, not progress. As a woman I am offended she calls herself a woman.
This Alaskan and thousands of other Alaskan Women are saying Sara Thanks but no Thanks, we want women’s rights not a far right woman, and that’s no flip flop.


Posted by: icmountainpeaks | September 15, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

tom wrote
"Wow, alot of sleazebag conservatives here today, I see.
Where are you going to find work when McCain loses?"

A better question would be "Where are you going to find work if McCain wins?" Cause that the question a lot of us might face.

Posted by: cat | September 15, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Given that Enron-linked....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E0D81038F934A25752C0A9649C8B63


..former senator, McCain economic advisor, and mortgage-industry-specializing banking lobbyist Phil Gramm...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24844889/


...has been credited as mover and shaker behind the very law that allowed the current financial meltdown to happen, I'd love to hear what McCain and Gramm think should be done to solve this crisis?

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20080701_Dave_Davies__A_few_minutes_with_McCain.html


As of yet, of course, their only response is to deny that any of it is significant. No problem, everything's fine. Sure, people are losing their homes to foreclosure; sure, investors are being wiped out. But hey, aside from that, everything's peachy.


Nonetheless... since McCain has indeed pegged Gramm as "one of the smartest person in the world" when it comes to economics, I'm dying to find out what Phil Gramm thinks should be done to fix the problem that Phil Gramm and the other lets-deregulate-everything Republicans helped create.


Maybe drilling will fix it? HAHAHA!!!


Maybe more deregulation will allow the free market to something something something?


Maybe if we had poured all our Social Security into these institutions, this would never have happened, because the free market dictates that private retirement investments always go up. Just like how dropped toast always lands on its edge?


Maybe the Republicans have invented a machine to convert crap into gold?


Maybe Lehman Brothers should have sold more stuff on eBay?


No, seriously -- I'm all ears. What's your advice to America this time, Gramm? McCain?.....even..maybe..Palin?!?!

Posted by: huh? | September 15, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

your cheap cassette deck.
tom

b.& o.

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

from http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/catholicamerica/2008/07/wolf_at_the_door.html


"Obama and the "Infanticide" Lie
“Obama” and “infanticide” are being matched in the latest venom eruption on hate-monger sites. For the record, Senator Obama did NOT vote for infanticide while in the Illinois State legislature.

At issue is his vote on a bill entitled, “Born Alive Infants Protection Act” – BAIPA, for short -- which was first introduced into the Illinois legislature in 2001. I have read the exact wording of the bill and the term “infanticide” does not appear anywhere. Fear-mongering with this word is, at the least, a stretch; and, at the worst, a lie. It is a concern for Catholic America because some of the verbal terrorism comes with a Catholic label.

The legislation would have required the state to provide health care to children born alive after an abortion. Now, existing Illinois law already covered all children. But the BAIPA was intended to create a special status for the survivors of abortion – mostly late-term abortion. The BAIPA clarified that these survivors were “children.” If that was all the law intended, I think it should have been passed and Obama’s self-identified faith should have led him to vote for it.

But things are not always as they seem. Although phrased in legalese, there were three additional and problematic provisions. First, the BAIPA would have immediately usurped the rights of the parents without any hearing or legal process. Second, the act would have mandated taxpayer funds be used for the health care as long as the needy child was alive, administered by still another government bureaucracy. Third, it gave a green light to trial lawyers to sue just about everybody on two legs. Catholic teaching always protects the rights of parents against big government. Moreover, I have enough of my Barry Goldwater vote left in me to be wary of lining the pockets of trial lawyers.

Some might conclude that the BAIPA is part of the old politics of poison-pill legislation. The intention is to antagonize voters in the cultural wars. (A similar BAIPA bill in Kansas was vetoed by Catholic Governor Sibelius – an Obama supporter who also reaped the “infanticide” label.) The spinning says: “Vote against this bill and you are guilty of infanticide!” It’s like saying “Approving U.S. dues to the U.N. is a vote for world government!” Or the historical case from the 1920s that “Opposing Prohibition is a vote for drunkenness and immorality!” This argument, with the appropriate simian-like caricatures of the Irish, was used against Catholics way-back-then. Charity requires us to avoid recourse to the same hateful logic against those with whom we differ.

The logic simply doesn’t stand. If Obama is guilty of infanticide for opposing mandated health care in the relatively few cases of abortion survivors, then isn’t McCain guilty of far worse by denying government mandated health care to 46 million Americans? I reject this logic: McCain’s plan does not amount to genocide of the poor and Obama’s vote is not infanticide. With his characteristic serenity, Senator Obama refused to descend into the mud of accusations, demands for retraction, etc. That kind of old politics produces tribalistic hatred rather than participatory progress and it's so unChristian!

I can understand faith-based passion about political issues. The unjust war in Iraq, torture of prisoners, and experimentation on stem cells -- as well as abortion – all are issues on which different Catholics have strong opinions. But you have to take them all together to get a full picture of Catholicism in America. A single issue approach distorts the seamless web of life which we are bound to defend. I also believe that exaggerating an issue, trivializes it. Like the little boy who cried “Wolf!” once too often, ranting and raving without logical grounding weakens, rather than strengthens, our Catholic cause. Inflated rhetoric and flawed logic may not be against the civil law of libel, but God’s commandments have always made it a sin to lie."

Posted by: Walt69 | September 15, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

tom -

you all lambasted Palin for telling Charlie we should allow Georgia into NATO and therefore help Georgia if Russia attacks-
So, read this and explain-

The RCP Blog Home Page | The Morning Report »
August 11, 2008
Obama: NATO Membership for Georgia
Posted by BLAKE DVORAK

Obama is out with another statement on Georgia:

"Going forward, the United States and Europe must support the people of Georgia. Beyond immediate humanitarian assistance, we must provide economic assistance, and help rebuild what has been destroyed. I have consistently called for deepening relations between Georgia and transatlantic institutions, including a Membership Action Plan for NATO, and we must continue to press for that deeper relationship."

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Scott:
Real Clear Politics
9/11/08
Ken Blackwell

"On the hot-button issue of abortion, last month saw a growing concern over Mr. Obama's opposition to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which states if an abortion is botched and a live birth results, the baby is entitled to medical care. The federal version of this law unanimously passed the U.S. Senate.
However, when a version of this bill came to the Illinois Senate, Mr. Obama opposed it. When confronted last month with the fact that the federal version of this bill had been supported by the likes of Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer, Mr. Obama said the he would have supported the federal version. Those suggesting otherwise were lying, he said. Then it was revealed that a second bill was introduced in the Illinois Senate, and this one was identical to the federal version. Mr. Obama opposed that bill as well. He has yet to come up with an explanation on that one."

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We beleive you Scott.
Now please be quiet and go listen to some rush limbaugh reruns on your cheap cassette deck.

Posted by: tom | September 15, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Palin is still a cheap pig. Cheer leader uniform! What this uniform do with the economy? She shoild be wearing the uniform and cheer infront of McCain, so he'll crook before ruin our future generation. Oh! before I forget, Tucker Bounds(McCain Spokeman) can watch Palin. He is to young to know everything. Tucker Bounds drink some more milk. You need more cow in your body. You are pathetic and liar. You were busted but still lying. Shame on you!

Posted by: goldieluck | September 15, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

You see? If Obama and McCain had 5-10, whatever the # of town hall meetings they could have agreed upon, the tone would be better.

Posted by: Scott

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Is that the real Scott or the Body Snatcher Scott?

Actually I was quite appalled when I heard McCain make that comment, maybe if his campaign hadn't gone so negative there could have been a common ground, but now it just makes him look like since he couldn't have it his way, he's going to kick sand.

Just my opinion on the subject.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse


Hey, Walt69- Here's your candidte position on Infant Protection and telling the truth-


Real Clear Politics
9/11/08
Ken Blackwell

On the hot-button issue of abortion, last month saw a growing concern over Mr. Obama's opposition to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which states if an abortion is botched and a live birth results, the baby is entitled to medical care. The federal version of this law unanimously passed the U.S. Senate.
However, when a version of this bill came to the Illinois Senate, Mr. Obama opposed it. When confronted last month with the fact that the federal version of this bill had been supported by the likes of Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer, Mr. Obama said the he would have supported the federal version. Those suggesting otherwise were lying, he said. Then it was revealed that a second bill was introduced in the Illinois Senate, and this one was identical to the federal version. Mr. Obama opposed that bill as well. He has yet to come up with an explanation on that one.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

"In what respect, Charlie?"
"You can see Russia from Alaska, Charlie."

Pretty much sums it up for me. Cheerleader and patronizing vote leech.
Boy, are republicans stupid or what?

Posted by: tom | September 15, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Real Clear Politics
9/11/08
Ken Blackwell

On the hot-button issue of abortion, last month saw a growing concern over Mr. Obama's opposition to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which states if an abortion is botched and a live birth results, the baby is entitled to medical care. The federal version of this law unanimously passed the U.S. Senate.
However, when a version of this bill came to the Illinois Senate, Mr. Obama opposed it. When confronted last month with the fact that the federal version of this bill had been supported by the likes of Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer, Mr. Obama said the he would have supported the federal version. Those suggesting otherwise were lying, he said. Then it was revealed that a second bill was introduced in the Illinois Senate, and this one was identical to the federal version. Mr. Obama opposed that bill as well. He has yet to come up with an explanation on that one.

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Well *ell, Ohioans are practically brother and sister, given their delegation was right in front of her. And her daughter has a cheerleaders outfit with Ohio on it. Golly, that is so much closer than Russia, which she can only see from a great distance. I am sure Ohioans are going to feel all warm and fuzzy about shootin up the coyotes and other "predators" out there.

She sounds a bit slimy to me. I get any connection there at all. And the part about the teleprompter, what a joke. Was that written into her speech? Whose idea was that to think it would make a connection to Ohio to talk directly towards them when her teleprompter broke. What about the other 49 states with delegates? She was not talking to them? Or was that later when her teleprompter broke again?

Posted by: Paul Stewart | September 15, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I do reserve the right to call you a flaming right wing spammer if you start doing it again! Just kinding. :)
-Oh Brother
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You see? If Obama and McCain had 5-10, whatever the # of town hall meetings they could have agreed upon, the tone would be better.

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

sure 527s are a reliable source of information... would you like a little cheese to go with that whine?

Posted by: Walt69 | September 15, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

For the record:
I'm tom, not Tom.
lol

Posted by: tom | September 15, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Tom, Jeff, Taid- Did you see the 31 year old woman who made the commercial asking Obama to stop oppsing the Infant Protection Act (that Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer- along with the rest of the Senate) voted for...turns out she was the survivor of a botched abortion. You guys support a very classy candidate. By the way even NARAL stated that the IP act did not threaten Roe v Wade!
__________________________

Anonymous has been posting the same anti McCain and Palin (Down's syndrome post broke the record) posts for weeks- What caused my multiple posts is Anonymous's posting a mirror image post IN MY NAME....every time I posted, he posted IN MY NAME- it's his 1st amendment right to do so, and mine to answer and get my message, which comes from today's National Review (his didn't name a source) out.

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Scott wrote -
Anonymous...."ooooh I'm telling"- you DO have a second grade mentality....Oh, Brother- I'll try it your way, and I appreciate the answer- I do honestly feel that the story I posted may prove to be a major one...

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Thanks Scott and I won't call you a paid poster anymore. However I do reserve the right to call you a flaming right wing spammer if you start doing it again! Just kinding. :)

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Probably because he is a presidential candidate and it would be disruptive to have secret service guarding his children in a public class everyday. Gee know I know why Bush won twice LOL...

"Anonymous...."ooooh I'm telling"- you DO have a second grade mentality....Oh, Brother- I'll try it your way, and I appreciate the answer- I do honestly feel that the story I posted may prove to be a major one... Here's an interesting story- If Obama is the Champion of Public Schools, how come he sends HISD kids to private schools?"

Posted by: Tom | September 15, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Why is it ok for Palin and her family to now state they are above the law and ignore the subpoenas which have been filed? I think it is quite presumptuous to think she can already begin ignoreing the law. She is not VP yet. I guess Governors have the ability to ignore court ordered actions if they think it is not in their best interest?This is sickening because the rest of us could never simply ignore a subpoena without going to jail. Corruption and scandal right from the start.

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous...."ooooh I'm telling"- you DO have a second grade mentality....Oh, Brother- I'll try it your way, and I appreciate the answer- I do honestly feel that the story I posted may prove to be a major one... Here's an interesting story- If Obama is the Champion of Public Schools, how come he sends HISD kids to private schools?

NY TIMES
Monday, September 15, 2008


September 9, 2008, 6:08 pm
The Rantings of a P.T.A. Mom
By Sandra Tsing Loh


Sandra Tsing Loh, a writer and a performer, is the author most recently of “Mother on Fire,” a comic memoir of her struggle to find a school in Los Angeles for her child to attend. (Full biography.)
As usual, Bruce Fuller and Lance Izumi , my fellow Education Watch contributors, make some fascinating points, none more startling to me than Lance’s casual throw-away that Barack Obama sends his children to private school. As a rabid public school Democrat, I crumpled in despair at the news.
Look, I am not in politics, I get no money from foundations, I do not get invited to lecture on third world eco-sustainability on luxury cruises. I have no highly placed blue-state friends and I will soon be a divorced woman because my die-hard Democratic husband will not brook any dissent, public or private, about our party.
Fair enough, fair enough, but here’s the thing: I do not know why Barack and Michelle Obama cannot send their children to a nice public school in Hyde Park. You understand that I am a bit unstable this election season (I voted for Hillary) and I do my research by erratically Googling from home. And all I know about Hyde Park — and, readers, I’d love to be corrected if I’m wrong — is that even though real estate prices seem high, the brave little public schools in its ZIP code seem to be flailing. Their scores on www.greatschools.net are largely 2’s and 4’s (on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the best). When you read the tea leaves as manically as I do, those low numbers suggest that few children of educated, middle-class children are attending the local schools. Rather, they’ve withdrawn, with nary a ripple, into their whispery private enclaves.
Let us not even touch the term “community organizer,” so buffeted about, by both sides, like a balloon at a rock concert. Let us just say that if Mr. and Mrs. Obama — a dynamic, Harvard-educated couple — had chosen public over private school, they could have lifted up not just their one local public school, but a family of schools. First, given the social pressure (or the social persuasion of wanting to belong to the cool club), more educated, affluent families would tip back into the public school fold. And second, the presence of educated type-A parents with too much time on their hands ensures that schools are held, daily, to high standards.
But the significance of educated families opting in to their local public schools goes deeper than that. Research done by Richard Kahlenberg, a senior fellow at the Century Foundation, indicates that poor children benefit hugely by mixing, daily, with middle-class children (particularly those from families who value education). Conversely, as long as the deleterious effects of poverty, like rampant absenteeism and serious health issues, do not overwhelm the school culture, middle-class children suffer no ill effects. Furthermore, studies have shown that new immigrant children learn English faster and master the complex linguistic skills they need to succeed on standardized tests when they are in classrooms with native English speakers. Sadly, because of the widespread flight of higher-minded families, ethnic segregation (not to mention class segregation) in public schools today is so extreme that only one in five immigrant children will have even one native English-speaking friend.
So it is with huge grief-filled disappointment that I discovered that the Obamas send their children to the University of Chicago Laboratory School (by 5th grade, tuition equals $20,286 a year). The school’s Web site quotes all that ridiculous John Dewey nonsense about developing character while, of course, isolating your children from the poor. A pox on them and, while we’re at it, a pox on John Dewey! I’m sick to death of those inspirational Dewey quotes littering the Web sites of $20,000-plus-a-year private schools, all those gentle duo-tone-photographed murmurings about “building critical thinking and fostering democratic citizenship” in their cherished students, living large on their $20,000-a-year island.
Meanwhile, Joseph Biden, the Amtrak senator, standing up boldly for the right to be a Roman Catholic, appears to have sent all three children to the lovely looking Archmere Academy in Delaware. Archmere’s Web site notes some public school districts allow Archmere students to use public school buses. Well, isn’t that great — your tax dollars at work in the great state of Delaware because with $18,000 a year in tuition, they can’t afford their own buses.
Then again, a spot of happy news for the Democrats: not only did John McCain’s four children attend elite private schools in Arizona, but collective donations to their children’s private schools between 2001 and 2006, totaled $500,000.
And yes, I know I appear to be ranting on like a pit bull without lipstick, which brings me to the final nail in the coffin in this sorry election year. As a Democrat I am horrified that Sarah Palin is the one who snagged the deeply profound — and absolutely ignored by professional smart people — emotional real estate of “P.T.A. mother.” I too am, in fact, not just “my kids’ mom” but their Title I Los Angeles public school P.T.A. secretary. This unheard female howl is, for better or worse, what Ms. Palin has set out to tap into; it is real, and I am sick that we’ve let the Republicans charge this ground.
Sarah Palin’s children went to what looks like a humble little public school: Iditarod Elementary on Wasilla Fishhook Road. The school’s score on www.greatschools.net is a 4. That’s a lot of street cred, for a gun-totin’, snow-mobilin’ creationist-lovin’ lady.
Oh, I’m such a depressed, Democrat P.T.A. mother. "

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Why are you wasting time on this fluff?

Here's a woman who "balanced" a budget that consists 1/3 of state tax revenues, 1/3 of oil taxes, and 1/3 of federal funds, by raising the state windfall profits tax on the oil companies.

Two dollars of every $4 spent on gas in California goes to the state of Alaska.

Sure, she knows how to balance a budget. On welfare.

Posted by: Helen | September 15, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow, alot of sleazebag conservatives here today, I see.
Where are you going to find work when McCain loses? Are going to have trouble sleeping at night with Obama and Biden in office? Are you going to take it out on your wife and children? Make more money no matter who you scam? I know you won't miss a rush limbaugh show, just to keep the fire stoked. You sleazy dirtbags make me laugh. Rallying for a clown and a cheerleader as your leaders. Get a life if you can.

Posted by: tom | September 15, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

These people are the same old, same old. How can Palin/McCain say they are different, when they are using bush tactics times 10. McCain said months ago that he didn't know much about the ecconomy, but know he is the answer. I realize that he was shut out by sleazy advertising, by opponents in the past, but two wrongs don't make a right. Mr. McCain, Please for the sake of your character, stop this crap now!

Posted by: Jeff | September 15, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Time to have this comment section moderated to reduce the spam from all these right wing nutheads. Sure they can say their spiel--but ONCE and then leave it!!!!

Posted by: taid | September 15, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Scott your repetitive posts are truly annoying and if you continue, I will report you. Either get an original, relevant thought or stop cluttering the conversation with your paid garbage.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous has been posting the same anti McCain and Palin (Down's syndrome post broke the record) posts for weeks- What caused my multiple posts is Anonymous's posting a mirror image post IN MY NAME....every time I posted, he posted IN MY NAME- it's his 1st amendment right to do so, and mine to answer and get my message, which comes from today's National Review (his didn't name a source)out.

Posted by: Scott

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Scott, I'm sympathetic and all, but you got to see that the continuous posts just exacerbates the problem, it doesn't help it. Just out the poster with a follow up without all the restated diatribe and move on.

Hey, I might disagree with you on Palin-McCain and I might not exactly care for your sources, but I do defend your right to say what is on your mind. Unfortunately the posting war kind of tramples on other people whose points we may or may not agree with. So please, consider that maybe stubbornness isn't always the best solution.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Pfft. Yet another lie. Yet another easy debunking. Yet another time to ask the question: why on earth would they even bother lying on this stuff?


At a fundraiser in Canton, Ohio, this evening, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin had an interesting description of her speech to the Republican convention.


"There Ohio was right out in front, right in front of me," Palin said. "The teleprompter got messed up, I couldn't follow it, and I just decided I'd just talk to the people in front of me. It was Ohio."


Nope. Didn't happen.


This struck many of us -- who, as she spoke, followed along with her prepared remarks, and noted how closely she stuck to the script -- as an unusual claim. (Especially those of my colleagues on the convention floor at the time, reading along on the prompter with her, noticing her excellent and disciplined delivery, how she punched words that were underlined and paused where it said "pause," noting that "nuclear" was spelled out for her phonetically.) [...]


"The teleprompter did not break," wrote Politico's Jonathan Martin. "Sarah Palin delivered a powerful speech last night, but she did not 'wing it'..."
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/palin-and-the-t.html
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I mean, c'mon. We've already gone past Mencken's prophecied point, happily electing an outright moron, but is it truly necessary to make Orwell obsolete as well? This one is just stupid -- lying for the sake of lying. Lying, frankly, like a child.


McCain and Palin don't just lie about big things, like tax policy, Iraq and the economy. They even lie about petty trivialities -- any tiny little thing is fair game, if it lets them preen for a moment in front of their audiences.


LIARS!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk
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Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | September 15, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign and his running mate are clearly lying about a number of things but few journalists are calling them on their outrageous, unprincipled behavior. As a former supporter of McCain I'm insulted and outraged at his outright lies. There's no way I would vote for such an unprincipled liar. The media needs to start calling him on this.

Posted by: jay | September 15, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

who is scott, and why does he keep spamming?
This little Ohio speech sounds like a dull, vapid, dimwitted, pandering, empty speech about nothing. This Palin chick sucks. At everything. Pretty impressive though - for a sports anchor.

Posted by: slater | September 15, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

There are two shows vying for the Palin families first appearance. Jerry Springer,
Maury Povitch. What a national embarrassment. I can just see Roves smirky, porky face as he out does P.T. Barnum.

Posted by: jwald1 | September 15, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

It's time for Americans to stand up and say:

Palin? Thanks, but no thanks.

Take that bridge to nowhere back to where you came from.

Posted by: THM | September 15, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

So Scott, if you aren't a paid poster, why don't you prove it and stop posting the same trash over and over. Sure does give people the impression you get paid by the post.- Oh Brother
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Anonymous has been posting the same anti McCain and Palin (Down's syndrome post broke the record) posts for weeks- What caused my multiple posts is Anonymous's posting a mirror image post IN MY NAME....every time I posted, he posted IN MY NAME- it's his 1st amendment right to do so, and mine to answer and get my message, which comes from today's National Review (his didn't name a source)out.

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I did not read one sentence of substance in this article. Wolfs, OSU, and a lie about budget balancing... Please, if you are going to talk for 20 minutes, give us something to worth listening to.

Posted by: Grizz | September 15, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse


Update- First mention of this Story on CNN tonight - Lou Dobbs is on it- Obama campaign, of course denies....stay Tuned
if Lou nails down the story, the game is over...

___________________

National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Which anonymous were you addressing exactly? There seem to be several around here.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Bro and Anonymous Naked Emperor Follower- I'm your worst nightmare- a conservative blogger who's as stubborn as you are...and who won't go away when confronted with stories from your holy grail- THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

So Scott, if you aren't a paid poster, why don't you prove it and stop posting the same trash over and over. Sure does give people the impression you get paid by the post.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Bro and Anonymous Naked Emperor Follower- I'm your worst nightmare- a conservative blogger who's as stubborn as you are...and who won't go away when confronted with stories from you holy grail- THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

...ambitions first and country last.

Posted by: Anonymous

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Oooo! Now you are an original thinker aren't you? Another one paid by the post or a village idiot?

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

This is the 3rd time I've been accused of being paid to post- I post because I believe in Sen. McCain- I have since 2000- I'm paid to develop surgical instruments- what are you paid to do "anonymous"??- We all think you work for the National Enquirer
_____________

Update- First mention of this Story on CNN tonight - Lou Dobbs is on it- Obama campaign, of course denies....stay Tuned
if Lou nails down the story, the game is over...

___________________

National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I live in Canton. Her motorcade drove right past my street today. We're proud to have Sarah Palin here in Canton. Hopefully she and Sen. McCain will be back soon.

Posted by: Dan | September 15, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Palin will put Obama on that bridge to nowhere.By by Lamobama

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I used to believe in Obama too and then he sold his soul, put his ambitions first and country last.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line-Obama is the communist with the dictatorship tendency

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I used to believe in McCain too and then he sold his soul, put his ambitions first and country last.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Palin truly is a bridge to nowhere.

Posted by: Zac | September 15, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

That line about Piper bounding down the stairs after days without Mom (Palin) rips at my heart. Isn't time with her worth more than the Vice-Presidency? May God's Word be followed and may His Will be done in this campaign.

Posted by: Mom of 3 | September 15, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Biden ticket is the way to destroy this country.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

It's ok Scott, these are tough economic times and we all have to find ways to suppliment our income. Really, we all understand, it's ok.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

This is the 3rd time I've been accused of being paid to post- I post because I believe in Sen. McCain- I have since 2000- I'm paid to develop surgical instruments- what are you paid to do "anonymous"??- We all think you work for the National Enquirer
_____________

Update- First mention of this Story on CNN tonight - Lou Dobbs is on it- Obama campaign, of course denies....stay Tuned
if Lou nails down the story, the game is over...

___________________

National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

This is the 3rd time I've been accused of being paid to post- I post because I believe in Sen. McCain- I have since 2000- I'm paid to develop surgical instruments- what are you paid to do "anonymous"??- We all think you work for the National Enquirer
_____________

Update- First mention of this Story on CNN tonight - Lou Dobbs is on it- Obama campaign, of course denies....stay Tuned
if Lou nails down the story, the game is over...

___________________

National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Do we need another one like Obama?

Posted by: Anonymous

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Again, we already have one, he's been there for over seven and a half years in case you haven't noticed. His first criminal act was he and his pals stole the 2000 election

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

A DIVIDED GOVERNMENT IS BEST !!!

Jimmmy Carter controlled a Democratic Congress. That got us 20% inflation, and sponsored the Islamic Revolution.

Also George Bush over a Republican congress spent too much money.

The Executive branch works best when it has an opposing congress.

Bill Clinton got lots accomplished because he had Republicans in congress.

All students of political history agree.
A DIVIDED GOVERNMENT IS BEST !!!

Posted by: Joyce | September 15, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine Scottdbag is paid to post considering the lack of content and thought contained in his posts. My guess is that he's just a low-info Liberal stooge.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Do we need the criminal president?

Posted by: Anonymous

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We already have one.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 10:18 PM
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Do we need another one like Obama?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

ALASKA LOVES SARAH for the great work she has done reforming government to work for the citizens, and AMERICA IS FALLING IN LOVE WITH SARAH for her genuine sincerity, honesty and brilliant mind.

It is time to recognize that women can do a great job, many times better than men and Sarah Palin's record shows she is exceptional.

The Obama campaign and the liberal media is in disarray, confused and foaming at the mouth after the Maverick, John McCain chose Sarah Palin, a woman reformer for VP. Their response has been a vicious attack on Sarah ranging from insults to smearing and the sexist tactics that brought Hillary's campaign crashing down.

Obama fractured and divided the democratic party when he rejected the choice of 18 million democrats and instead of choosing Hillary for VP, he chose an old Washington politician Joe Biden, and by this grave mistake in choice, negated the flag of "change" Obama had been waiving and replaced it with the "more of the same" one.

On the other side, The Maverick stole the mantra of change from Barack when he selected a woman reformer for VP, who has gained the respect of the State she governs as well as of the nation governors.

The McCain/Palin ticket has also given hope to all the 18 million former Hillary supporters who now have a very compelling reason to vote for the republican ticket, as a way to put their country first by electing a president that has the qualifications, experience and love for our country and at the same time elect a woman to the White House as equal partners in governance and leadership of our country.

Country First!
DEMOCRATS FOR McCain/Palin!

Posted by: Manolete | September 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine Scott is paid to post considering the lack of content and thought contained in his posts. My guess is that he's just a low-info GOP stooge.

Posted by: Scottdbag | September 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the communist with communist agenda for this country.Do we need a communist in WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Do we need the criminal president?

Posted by: Anonymous

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We already have one.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious, is this similiar to the Russian-Alaskan connection?

Posted by: Chris | September 15, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.Do we need the criminal president?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

This is the 3rd time I've been accused of being paid to post- I post because I believe in Sen. McCain- I have since 2000- I'm paid to develop surgical instruments- what are you paid to do "anonymous"??- We all think you work for the National Enquirer
_____________

Update- First mention of this Story on CNN tonight - Lou Dobbs is on it- Obama campaign, of course denies....stay Tuned
if Lou nails down the story, the game is over...

___________________

National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Scott is a paid Neo-Conjob poster, just ignore him/her, but since they are paid by the post they won't go away.

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

A few years ago when the Enquirer broke a story about something, I forget what it was at the moment. When a government official was questioned about why Enquirer got the story when the government didn't seem to have a clue. The spokesperson said something to the effect of, "Lets fact it, that is what they do and they are good at it. They have better resources then we do".

Enquirer is not the rag they used to be. It seems lately if they say it is true, it is. When the Republicans a few weeks ago tried to intimidate them about the Palin affair story and threatened to sue. The Enquirer said " Bring it on, we have lots more we will be rolling out". The republicans have been very quiet since then I guess hoping it would all go away. It is not going away. There is supposed to be an abortion story coming soon. I have no doubt about the Palin and her husbands current and ongoing drug use story coming soon since Palin herself admitted to some drug use in the past. I believe Mccain just wants to make it through the election and if they win he will dump Palin on some pretense and put Liberman in like he wanted to do in the first place. With all the scandal I don't think he will have a very hard time getting rid of her.

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Ironically, though, I'm glad it took at REPUBLICAN for the National Enquirer to be taken as seriously as the WaPo these days.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 9:15 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Update- First CNN mention of this Story on CNN tonight - Lou Dobbs is on it- Obama campaign, of course denies....stay Tuned- If proved, the game is over-

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National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Why is it ok for Palin and her family to now state they are above the law and ignore the subpoenas which have been filed? I think it is quite presumptuous to think she can already begin ignoreing the law. She is not VP yet. I guess Governors have the ability to ignore court ordered actions if they think it is not in their best interest?This is sickening because the rest of us could never simply ignore a subpoena without going to jail. Corruption and scandal right from the start.

Posted by: dave | September 15, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Ah! I see Scott, my favorite paid Neo-Conjob poster is working the list! Must be his/her shift has started. Why don't you spare us all the trash. Oh! I forgot, you get paid by the post. Copy...paste, copy...paste, opy...paste...

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 15, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

apko:

I predict that a MAJORITY of voters in Ohio go with McCain-Palin ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Does she think we're stupid? How insulting. Can't vouch for the rest of Ohio, but I promise you we Toledoans are too smart to fall for this.

Posted by: apko | September 15, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, though, I'm glad it took at REPUBLICAN for the National Enquirer to be taken as seriously as the WaPo these days.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

First MSM mention of this story on CNN Lou Dobbs tonight- Obama Campaign Denies Story...No surprise, Now it's out there- Stay Tuned

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National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN COME NOVEMBER.


Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Even if every word in the National Enquirer was true (meaning that UFO have abducted people and Kirsten Dunst WAS on a drunken binge), I would still be voting for McCain-Palin.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse


FROM THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT JOHN EDWARD'S,
THEY NOW BRINGS YOU
"TRACK PALIN"
THE COKE HEAD WHO BEAT GOING TO JAIL BY GOING IN THE MILITARY AND HIS WONDERFUL PARENTS WHO RAISED SUCH A FINE FAMILY.


The NATIONAL ENQUIRER’S exclusive ongoing investigation of GOP VP Nom Sarah 'Barracuda' Palin’s goes far beyond a mere teen pregnancy crisis this week!

The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

She's starting to get off message. Lots of red meat chatter to please the base but little substance to woo swing voters starting to have second thoughts about her.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | September 15, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

It's called wake up, just like we are at this time. Like I said, our form of government is different. We can call an election in a few months due to population and our Canadian way. Possibly we are not watching the same news. That is possible. Good luck and sorry again, but never three times.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 15, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Don't ever get me wrong. The men and women of America comes from my heart, but man, you election is out of control.
Again, sorry o offending, our best friends. We are one, whether you like it or not. Just remember 911. Don't confuse it with the war in Iraq which is causing you all these problems. Bless you friend. When 911 occurred, you had Canada to treat our best friends with love and courtesy. Do never take that for granted, or as a had to be my friend..

Posted by: justada5+ | September 15, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm not offended, nor are you my friend -- I want you blocked because I can't understand your posts -- maybe something is being lost in the translation?

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Do you think they served any arugala at this event of typical country club fare?

Maybe both Obama's daughters could wear Ohio State sweatshirts.

Perhaps Obama could relate how he shoots rats- a menace in both Chicago and Cleveland.

Posted by: toldyouso | September 15, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Is not America, the people of American can say what they want to.
It's called free speech, for the world. Sorry if I offended you friend


I wish my government would block your posts, justada55+

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 8:14 PM

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

The ignorance is astounding. However, I do take a certain amount of glee, if McCain is elected, in watching all the pensions of all those Republican voters tank. All those Republican voters that will be unemployed or are 70 years old and have to go back to work. I say vote for em, let it collapse, and then start over. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

Posted by: Scy | September 15, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Back on topic:

Wouldn't it be nice if Obama had not reneged on his promise to "aggressively pursue" an agreement on public financing -- or, even agreed to weekly town hall meetings with John McCain -- then we wouldn't have to worry about campaign contributions and could focus on the issues that are important to America?

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

First MSM mention of this story on CNN Lou Dobbs tonight- Obama Campaign Denies Story...No surprise, Now it's out there- Stay Tuned

_____________________________

National Review

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
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In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN COME NOVEMBER.


Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I wish my government would block your posts, justada55+

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Fairbanks Sister Cities:

Aix-les-Bains, France
Mo i Rana, Norway
Tainan, Taiwan
Pune, India
Erdenet, Mongolia
Fanano, Italy

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

It's reall easy, look up justad55+.
I told all of you. Just because I am a Canadian, I do not live in an Igloo, nor do I skin deer.
Vote Republican again and you will get what you asked for.
Your Falling my American Freinds, and I know many. May your God Bless you. More touble is comming.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 5:
I think sometimes your government is blocking this forum.

Posted by: justada55+ | September 15, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Anchorage has seven official sister cities:

Chitose, Japan
Darwin, Australia
Harbin, China
Incheon, South Korea
Magadan, Russia
Tromsø, Norway
Whitby, United Kingdom

Along with 7 sister cities in the SCI program, Anchorage has a cultural exchange program with the former Yugoslavian nation of Montenegro.

Juneau has 5 official sister cities:

Whitehorse, Canada
Chiayi City, ROC (Taiwan)
Vladivostok, Russia
Mishan, Heilongjiang Province, China
Bangkok, Thailand

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

That's a nice, personal touch about the Ohio delegation helping her with her speech. Does Ohio have sister cities in Alaska too?

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

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