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Rove: McCain Has Gone 'One Step Too Far'

By Robert Barnes
LOUDON, N.H. -- The Obama campaign was pleased today to introduce a new ally: Karl Rove.

Well, maybe that goes a bit far, and its manner of introduction was not exactly one President Bush's top political strategist might have chosen for himself.

Nonetheless, the campaign seized on Rove's comments on Fox News Sunday today to bolster its case that Republican presidential nominee John McCain has been lying about Obama's record in recent days. The Obama campaign has specifically decried two McCain ads: one that attempts to portray as an insult to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Obama's contention that McCain's calls for change are putting "lipstick on a pig," and another Obama says misleads viewers about the purpose of a sex eduction bill he supported.

In response to a question, Rove said McCain "has similarly gone one step too far, attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100 percent truth test.''

The Obama campaign quickly put out a statement: "In case anyone was still wondering whether John McCain is running the sleaziest, most dishonest campaign in history, today Karl Rove -- the man who held the previous record -- said McCain's ads have gone too far," said Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor.

(Not much love for Rove, but you get the idea.)

In all truthiness, Rove's comments were far from a clean hit for the Obama campaign. The Democrats failed to point out that Rove said he thought Obama's lipstick comments were a "direct slap'' at Palin, because of her recent lipstick-separates-hockey-moms-from-pit-bulls comment. And he said both camps were at fault.

"Both campaigns are making a mistake, and that is they are taking whatever their attacks are and going one step too far,'' Rove said.

The Obama campaign has been in overdrive recently in an attempt to portray the McCain campaign as dishonest, this morning releasing a lengthy memo outlining media stories that have called into question some of McCain's comments on Palin.

"Since naming Governor Palin as their Vice Presidential nominee, the McCain campaign has distorted, distracted, and outright lied to the American people about her record in a desperate attempt to hide the fact that a McCain/Palin Administration would be nothing more than a continuation of the failed Bush policies of the last eight years,'' the memo begins.

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds responded to Rove's comments, albeit indirectly:

"If Barack Obama had the strength to change politics, he'd have joined John McCain's proposal for the candidates to campaign together across the country at ten joint town hall meetings and speak to voters directly -- but he didn't. Instead Barack Obama chose to intentionally and recklessly distort claims of '100 year' wars and McCain's comments about the struggling economy."

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Karl Rove is never to be trusted. He is a snake; a lier and the father of lies.

McCain has done himself a severe disservice by diving into the muck of dirty politics that he has for so long despised. That is the singular thing that separated him from the rank and file GOP.

As in Independent, it is what now turns me off the most about him. It is nothing worse than to hear a politician speak and not to know if this time he/she is speaking straight or if they are spinning a lie to make it to be true. With me, I just assume that everything that they say is subject to be a lie. Truth gets lost in the lie. That said, I am not going to be too inclined to support anyone who comes off as a lier.

McCain has succomed to the same GOP politicing as I saw in 2000 and 2004. It was a huge turnoff then, and even worse now, because there are so many problems that America has to confront.

While I respect McCains service in America's military. This campaign has changed who I ever saw him to be. He says "country first" but what I hear come from his mouth and his campaign is "politics first", "me first", "distraction first". How about "TRUTH first, and always"?

Posted by: Ward6ForNow | September 16, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

It just blows my mind to read some of these blogs by people who hide behind screen names of all sorts. Most of you educated and uneducated "Americans" who find fault in Obama and McCain, have to ask yourselves one question... are you better off today than you were 4 - 6 years ago or worse? Regardless of partisans, have any of you been unemployed, uninsured or had to figure out where your next meal is coming from?

the answer is probably NO, since many of you computer savvy people on your hi-speed internet have so much more to live for right! Of course criticizing these two men for their presumptive roles to attempt to lead a nation (which by the way is so far worse than we have been in the history of the USA), has become your favorite pastime.

Either way, How are you making a difference? Wheter Barack has embelished his resume or McSame can't use the PC... How many of you haven't upped your salary history in hopes of higher pay? My point you may ask is this... Rather than be overly critical of both sides and their attempt to lead us into greener pastures - why not do something for yourself to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and see if you are QUALIFIED to change the USA's course???? If you are not a governor, a member of the house, a senator or some other political figure striving to do better, then your comments are just HOT AIR and RHETORIC... you know like an opinion, and everyone has one, but at the end of the day, does yours really matter???.... I didn't think so!

Posted by: Notacoward | September 15, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous (not the Unibomber-length diatribe one) writes:

"Im tired of people saying " Both sides are lying, both sides are pretty shameless". The only true lies have been from the McCain camp, out and out lies.And the banter , stump speeches and every appearance Both Geezer and Gidget have made were riddled with lies.
So they call out Obama saying he was calling Palin a Pig?????????????????
MCCAINS campaign called her a pig, andblamed it on Obama while he was talking about MCCAINS economics!!
Obama has not approved, led into, or misled about any untruths, or any of the junk going around.its all comin from MCCAINS OWN CAMP."

Now, admittedly this is easy stuff to debunk - Obama distorting McCain's 100 years comment, distorting McCain's use of the Internet, repeatedly lying about his own record (his Wall St. job, his Ayers relationship), and so on, and so on... What's so interesting is that a GOP operative, one hated by the left for all sorts of imaginary reasons, has offered a minor criticism of McCain's camp (in the context of complaining about truth-stretching by both sides) and the Obama camp can't wait to get it out there - minus of course any of the contiguous rhetoric about the Obama campaign's lack of honesty.

Maybe Rove is using this to distance McCain from Bush, but more likely he just offered a comment in good faith about the level to which the campaigns have stooped.

That the Obama campaign lunged at it like a sumo wrestler demonstrates that they are to the point wheree anything will do. They are truly shaken up by the change in the polls.

I suspect it's going to only get uglier from their end.

Posted by: ME | September 15, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Rove must think McCain is hurting himself with the negative ads - why else would he mention it? Or is going to if he keeps it up.

According to the recent article in Atlantic all McCain really cares about is the military. Of course that's been his life. And he has served with honor and courage. But the military way is often not the right way, and apparently his military background and focus means he doesn't care much about his positions on other items, such as health care, the economy, education, and so on. And perhaps it also justifies, in his mind at least, the negativity in the ads as the way to win.

Posted by: andy | September 15, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

What Karl Rove is doing makes it seem like he's slamming the McCain camp. What he's really doing is trying to distance McCain from Bush in voters' eyes. Because Rove is so closely identified with Bush and, I think, vilified by most everyone, when he says something against McCain, he's trying to (a) make people think that McCain is not in lockstep with Bush (even though he is) and (b) somehow make people think that he is vaguely supportive of Obama in whatever capacity, thereby somehow giving Obama negative press. Whatever the case I don't believe that Rove actually believes that McCain has gone too far. Rove has no morals whatsoever and somehow this is designed to make McCain look good and Obama look bad.

Posted by: Marc Sloop | September 15, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand why is McCain lying. He has a record he could come up with a lot of reasons for why he is a good choice for President, so why lie?

Obama is the best person for the job but I don't know if he can win. Americans aren't smart enough to look at this for what it is.

I am just glad I don't have any money in the domestic markets. When this country falls to the ground, I hope you idiots who are voting for every reason except the ones that will benefit you are happy.

Posted by: Smith | September 15, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how the dems continually slam Carl Rove, until his statements reinforce their vitriol for the republicans. I don't care what the media says, if you connect the dots, it's obvious that Obama's lipstick/pig comment, which came just days after Palin scored points with her pitbulll/lipstick statement, was an ugly sexist response from Obama. Now, Obama is crying that he was misinterpreted, while the media, once again assists him in playing the victim. The deck has been so stacked in favor of Obama, whether it's the media's refusal to vet Obama in the first place, to giving Obama free rides with Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, Ayers, etc.. The media, as well as shows like The View, are continuing to show extreme bias against Senator John McCain, while kissing Obama's ass.

Posted by: Howard | September 15, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Rangel and Obama "working together to craft preminary legislative agenda"- That's just what our economy needs!

**NY Times Calls for Rangel's Resignation from Chairmanship of House Ways and Means Committee Today**

From Newsweek 8/28/08

OBAMA TEAM WORKS WITH HILL DEMOCRATS
(Jonathan Weisman, Washington Post)
Eager to avoid the missteps that plagued the first months of the Clinton administration, aides to Barack Obama have begun working in concert with top Democrats in Congress to craft a preliminary legislative agenda that would guide the senator from Illinois should he capture the White House in November. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has assigned her committee chairmen to begin with low-hanging fruit to build confidence and provide a new, young president quick legislative victories, then pivot to more challenging issues, from ending U.S. military involvement in Iraq to broadening health-care coverage. House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) said his policy staffs and Obama's have been working together for more than a month. (!)

Posted by: Alan | September 15, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

From Today's WS Journal

"Why Feminists Hate Sarah Palin"

"...Mrs. Palin's marriage actually makes her a terrific role model. One of the best choices a woman can make if she wants a career and a family is to pick a partner who will be able to take on equal or primary responsibility for child-rearing. Our culture still harbors a lingering perception that such men are less than manly -- and who better to smash that stereotype than "First Dude" Todd Palin?

Nevertheless, when Sarah Palin offered a tribute to her husband in her Republican National Convention speech, New York Times columnist Judith Warner read this as a message that she is "subordinate to a great man." Perhaps the message was a brilliant reversal of the old saw that behind every man is a great woman: Here, the great woman is out in front and the great man provides the support. Isn't that real feminism?

Not to Ms. Marsh, who insists that feminism must demand support for women from the government. In this worldview, advocating more federal subsidies for institutional day care is pro-woman; advocating tax breaks or regulatory reform that would help home-based care providers -- preferred by most working parents -- is not. Trying to legislate away the gender gap in earnings (which no self-respecting economist today blames primarily on discrimination) is feminist. Expanding opportunities for part-time and flexible jobs is "the Republican Party line."

I disagree with Sarah Palin on a number of issues, including abortion rights. But when the feminist establishment treats not only pro-life feminism but small-government, individualist feminism as heresy, it writes off multitudes of women.

Of course, being a feminist role model is not part of the vice president's job description, and there are legitimate questions about Mrs. Palin's qualifications. And yet, like millions of American women -- and men -- I find her can-do feminism infinitely more liberated than the what-can-the-government-do-for-me brand espoused by the sisterhood."

Ms. Young, a contributing editor at Reason magazine, is author of "Ceasefire!: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces To Achieve True Equality" (Free Press, 1999).

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Pot calling the kettle black...

is that racist?

Posted by: reason | September 15, 2008 9:00 AM

no doubt it could be taken that way, and no doubt mccain has made sure its not in any of his speeches as such.

but let me simply remind you of all the "Racist tensions" of this election including whoopies outburst "do i have to worry about being a slave again?" posed to mccain.

IT WAS AN OLD WHITE REPUBLICAN WITH A PHYSICAL DISABILITY THAT FREED THE SLAVES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

you're welcome.

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse


Pot calling the kettle black...

is that racist?

Posted by: reason | September 15, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Go AFTER THAT ROTTER MC CAIN WITH ALL THE AMMUNITION YOU HAVE. MASHED POTATOES AND CHOPPED MEAT, THAT IS WHAT THE GOP HAS FOR CANDIDATES.

AS FOR THAT SLEEZEBAG ROVE, BE CAREFUL1 !!! I WOULDNT TRUST HIM AS FAR AS YOU COULD TROW HIM AND THAT FAT CAT IS MORE THAN A HANDFUL TO THROW. ! JUST KEEP COBBERING MC CAIN. HE DOESNT HAVE THE BACKBONE TO HANDLE A GOOD FIGHT ANYMORE. TELL HIM TO "WAKE UP - THE WAR IS OVER"{. IGNORE THE PIT BULL LIKE A BAD SCENT AND SEND HER BACK TO HER VILLAGE IN ALASKA AND FINISH THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE. SHE KEPT THE BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lynn parker. | September 15, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse


"Give 'em Hell, Sarah
Like Truman, a natural-born executive.
by Steven F. Hayward
09/22/2008, Volume 014, Issue 02


"Part of what bothers the establishment about Palin is her seeming insouciance toward public office. Her success with voters, and in national office, would be n affront and a reproach to establishment self-importance. Anyone who affects making it look easy surely lacks gravitas and must not grasp the complexity or depth of modern political problems. Partly this is the self-justification for establishment institutions and attitudes, but partly it represents the substantive view that the size and complexity of modern government require a level of expertise beyond the reach of ordinary citizens. Some of the doubts about Palin are doubts about self-government itself.

As far no one has picked up on the significance of Palin's invocation of Harry Truman in her convention speech. Her reference was more than just a bridge to a heartland-versus-Beltway theme. Truman, recall, was the only president of the 20th century who was not a college graduate. Less than two months after abruptly taking over from FDR with no preparation, Truman wrote his wife Bess describing his quick progress in taking the reins:


It won't be long before I can sit back and study the whole picture and tell 'em what is to be done in each department. When things come to that stage there'll be no more to this job than there was to running Jackson County and not any more worry.


In retrospect it is clear that Truman "got it." He didn't need any more "experience" to master the job. "Well I'm facing another tall day as usual,"
he ended that letter to Bess; "But I like 'em that way."

Ronald Reagan evinced the same attitude toward office as Truman and Palin. In fact, on closer inspection, one can hear in the criticism of Palin the echo of the same kind of complaint made against Ronald Reagan throughout his political career. Never mind that he'd been governor of California. That this graduate of Eureka College--where?--had made his career in Hollywood, a place as exotic and peculiar as Alaska, was decisive with the establishment. "Reagan's election," John P. Roche, a former head of Americans for Democratic Action, wrote in 1984, "was thus an 8-plus earthquake on the political Richter scale, and it sent a number of eminent statesmen--Republican and Democratic--into shock." It wasn't only liberals who found Reagan incomprehensible. "No previous president of the United States," Rowland Evans and Robert Novak wrote shortly after Reagan's election in 1980, "had so bizarre a preparation for political office."


Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Rove having a conscience? I DON"T THINK SO! He is the master at sleeze!!! His got to be up to something rotten.Probably saying this so it makes the people think,(jezz if Rove is saying Obama is attacking to hard he must be bad)and trying to get Obama to quit attacking McCain.Just look back on how he got Bush elected twice.Why would anyone even listen to Rove?As far as I'm concern he is one of the biggest problems with dirty elections in history!ROVE IS A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING!!!!!

Posted by: gail | September 15, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Bottom Line:

Obama is a paper tiger. He's trying to be "slick" but he it's looking as if he is a garden variety coward.

Obama does not have the gravitas or character to go, toe to toe with McCain in an unscripted "Town Hall" type meeting.

Obama's cowardice is now causing problems for his handlers.

Posted by: rural americans | September 15, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Bottom Line:

Obama campaign has used sexism and racism with impunity from the press for 18 months.

McCain will not tolerate the KOS-ites who run Obamas campaign.

Posted by: rural americans | September 15, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Bottom Line:

Obamination dotes on every Rove’s every word. Good to know they’re listening to him so intently. Now watch as a they discover how Rove’s notions are for their personal lives

Posted by: rural americans | September 15, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

September 15, 2008
Can McCain Really Win Pennsylvania?
By Salena Zito

The intelligent question thrown out among strategists for both campaigns is, can John McCain really win Pennsylvania?

Really win it, not pretend to go for it, as Republicans did in 2004, all the while closing the deal in Ohio when no one was looking.

The last Republican presidential candidate to win Pennsylvania was George H.W. Bush, in 1988 -- a win preceded by two Reagans but followed by two Clintons, a Gore and a Kerry. The Kerry win was narrower than the others, however.

Since this year's Pennsylvania primaries, many people have been schooled on the mechanics of how Democrats win this state. Call it the "Rendell rule": Stack up high numbers in the Philly collar counties, hold the losses to a minimum in the other 60, and try to win Allegheny for good measure.

Can Barack Obama pull off a Rendell?

Villanova University political science professor Bob Maranto says political undercurrents are playing against him. "This is an old state, demographically, and some older white voters will be reluctant to vote for a black candidate," he explains, "but there is something more at work. Even if they call themselves independents, most voters more or less automatically vote either Democratic or Republican."

Maranto calculates that the 20 percent or so of voters who really are up for grabs will use information about a candidate's background to make assumptions about his policy views.

Pennsylvanians don't see McCain in the "failed Bush policies" category by which Democrats try to define him. Instead, they see a war hero, a brand that resonates in the blue-collar areas where their unions are trying to persuade them otherwise.

"He is a guy you can depend on," said Tom Miller, 54, of Lancaster, a registered Democrat who is very comfortable voting for McCain. "He has had no problem bucking his own party and he does not ask me to make sacrifices that he isn't willing to make."

Add the stereotypes that some voters hold about black candidates and Obama dilutes the Rendell rule.

So, where can McCain offset traditional Democrat voting blocs?

In Allegheny, Bucks and Chester counties, where a large number of those voters live.

To win Allegheny, McCain must win the entire South Hills area minus Mt. Lebanon. He also must win the new suburban areas around the airport, as well as the Mon Valley, where poorer working white voters live. He can easily sweep the North Hills as well as the small river towns.

Achieve that, and McCain offsets Pittsburgh's black and elite-liberal numbers.

McCain also must win Bucks County, where he should have Sarah Palin establish residency in the large churches in the northern half while he camps out in southern Bucks.

Chester County will be the hardest. McCain won't win West Chester, but the rest of the county -- a one-time Republican stronghold -- is persuadable.

All three counties have healthy-sized veterans populaces, with lots of socially conservative labor-Catholic Democrats -- all voters that professor Maranto views as weaknesses for Obama.

Democrat analyst Larry Ceisler admits problems exist for Obama in counties like Washington, Beaver and Fayette, but he is not quite sold on the idea that McCain can win Allegheny, Chester and Bucks.

The unknown factor in Obama's favor is the latest statewide voter-registration number. Obama state director Craig Schirmer issued a statement last week touting 1 million-plus more registered Democrats than Republicans, double the lead of 2004.

Perhaps the bigger argument is that if McCain is posting Bush 2004 poll numbers in Pennsylvania in the waning days of this election, it indicates that Ohio, Indiana and Michigan are already lost to Obama. Pennsylvania is just that small percentage point more Democrat than her Rust-Belt sisters.

University of Virginia political science professor Larry Sabato says his tentative conclusion is that McCain should not allow the money to run in Pennsylvania unless he has unlimited resources, and instead should look west. His argument: If McCain is close in Pennsylvania, then he already is well above 300 Electoral College votes and won't need it to win.

Salena Zito is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review editorial page columnist. E-mail her at szito@tribweb.com

Posted by: scott | September 15, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

"Obama has not approved, led into, or misled about any untruths, or any of the junk going around.its all comin from MCCAINS OWN CAMP."

-anonymous

this is the symbol of the democratic party, anonymous incoherent un-researched ignorance that they don't have to take credit for.

but for the few skeptics, here's the most recently noticed lie from obama.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/did-obama-turn-down-a-wall-street-career

and for historical questions feel free to look up rezko ayers nationality lawsuits against obama and his own inability to be honest about quitting smoking.

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

McCain is running the most sleazy campaign ever. He scares me. I want a teddy bear for a president. A guy that even a whimp like me could trash in a fight. Obama is that man!

Posted by: Whimpy Little Guy | September 15, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Rove is marking his territory by saying McCain has gone one step too far. Rove does not like thee fact that McCain is not only taking the "change" theme from Obama but also the sleeze them from Rove. Just like a tiger that walks around peeing at trees to mark its territory, Rove has marked his sleeze territory now. He does not want McCain stepping in. For one thing Rove never liked McCain from the start. During the first Bush presidential campaign, McCain complained so much about how sleezy Rove and his team were. Now he is trying to embrace Rove just for the sake of winning. Classic McCain. Rain or sleeze, he has to win.

But we cannot have another 4 or 8 years of sleeze balls like mcCain in the white house. We have suffered enough under the incompetent Bush.

Posted by: Billy Saltzman | September 15, 2008 4:55 AM | Report abuse

McCain knows that he has taken the sleeziness to a new height even according to Rove's standards. At the RNC convention in his speech he kinda revealed what he was planning to do by referring to Obama and telling him "I like you, you are a nice guy, but... I've to win". This is the guilt feeling in him talking. Only he knew that he was preparing himself to poke his finger at his place where the sun doesn't shine and fling whatever comes out at Obama.

McCain appears to be proud of the sleeze he is able to invent and flick at Obama. But the sad thing is that it is not Obama he is hurting. It is the American people he is fooling. His strategey to chose a VP candidate just as an eye candy and as a trophy to walk around with shows his lack of dedication or interest in the future of this country. He is willing to fool the American people to get the votes.

Posted by: Jimmy | September 15, 2008 4:44 AM | Report abuse

McCain not too far ago made the following comment about Romney: "Never get into a wrestling match with a pig. You both get dirty - and the pig likes it.". And recently he didn't like the idea of Obama making reference to pigs. For some reason McCain not only is thinking about pigs all the time, he is acting like one. What does he eat for breakfast, just raw bacon?

What puzzles me the most is that, the Karl Rowe sleeze machinery that tried to get onto McCains band wagon has now turned against McCain. Karl Rowe does not like the way John McCain is stealing the sleeze factor away from him. So Rowe says that McCain has gone one too far in sleeziness.

When McCain is that desperate to steal the 'change' theme from Obama for his campaign and to steal the 'sleeze' factor from Karl Rowe and does a self promotion as a maverick of some sort, we can only guess the amount of amount of phoniness he will steal from Bush for his own presidency.

I once thought of McCain as a decent man. But now he has turned out to be a desperate dirty old man, who is stealing campaign themes, sleeze, and whatever he can get, to promote his candidacy. There is no decency left in him.

He is just dreaming pigs ever since he visualized Sarah Palin as a pig wearing lipstick on the RNC convention stage. He sure wouldn't mind getting into a mud wrestling and wet t-shirt contest with Sarah. Because according to him the pig will like it.

Posted by: Fred Summers | September 15, 2008 4:31 AM | Report abuse

Rove is PLAYING the fake "Change card", just as McCain and Palin.

Posted by: El Mugroso | September 15, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

i'M SORRY I SYMPATHIZE WITH RURAL AMERICA! COZ I'M SO RURAL BUT the GOP have to stop using us!!! at the end of the day we are the loosers! we are not better off like the mexican farmers! argentina farmers or German farmers!. Time to break away with being white, black or yellow! PLEASE IF YOU LOVE AMERICA GO FOR CHANGE PLEASE AT THE VOTING BOOTH ASK YOURSELF IF YOU ARE BETTER OFF MORE THAN TEN YEARS AGO!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Today Karl Rove said its getting dirty!!! why?
Because Karl Rove and the retards! have realized the Dems are hitting back! when the Reps were attacking that was OKAYS!! but now the Dems have taken over Karl Roves game. Wakeup AMERICA!! Karl Rove is evil!! can you smell him?? he just stinks!! please read the article!! below we need FREE AMERICA!
In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, and Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eats this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe"


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Im tired of people saying " Both sides are lying, both sides are pretty shameless". The only true lies have been from the McCain camp, out and out lies.And the banter , stump speeches and every appearance Both Geezer and Gidget have made were riddled with lies.
So they call out Obama saying he was calling Palin a Pig?????????????????
MCCAINS campaign called her a pig, andblamed it on Obama while he was talking about MCCAINS economics!!
Obama has not approved, led into, or misled about any untruths, or any of the junk going around.its all comin from MCCAINS OWN CAMP.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Devils advocate???? seriously, your far removed from that, unless your holding Palins hand.She was brought on to the ticket to save a sinking ship, Mccain was doomed without a Hype pick like Palin.
The GOP knew it, and forced his hand in the wake of choices he was leaning towards. This is nothing more than politics as usual for GOPers, and it will be 4 MORE YEARS, Drill baby Drill, FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT McCain claims to be this magnanomous agent of change, yet he's had the most ecxperience of all, and does'nt have much to show for his resume besides time, and a whole bunch of "YES SIR" votes to the GOP agenda's.Half of the Bills in congress he eith CO-wrote or signed on to , he has flipped on.For finance reform, wouldnt sign the bill. For banking reform, denounced it at voting time.The Man is a Camera Junkie, just like his wife, wearing Prada while they stand in front of people still struggling to put their lives together after 9/11, Katrina, the war in Iraq/Afghanistan.Soldiers with bodies and minds messed up, and shes worried about her 1000 dollar sunglasses, and McCant with his custom dud's as well. SICK.
Obama has an agenda like many other true reformers before him. He know this country wouldnt be what it is, and will cease to exist without the common man, the 10, 12 14 dollar an hour guy's and gals trying to get a decent living in this horribly anti-American existance we have been living in.
The GOP is for smaller government.Cant imagine why , unless its easier to do their own will with less oversight?They say the Democratic policies promote a entitlement society, but all the GOP promote is class warfare.We pay and average of 32 percent of the money we sweat and bleed for to this government,we deserve better than we receive.Some GOPers insist "i worked my way out of the middle class, so you do it on your own" when in fact less than 1 tenth of 1 percent got wealthy without family money, inheritance or insurance payouts.Is it fair , then, for a "wealthy" person to pay as little as 17 percent to the IRS, while we pay allmost twice as much, many families paying 32 percent??and they sat we in the lower classes beleive its an entitlement to receive, but they get back three times to ours!
SOUN FAIR??

Posted by: mullett | September 15, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

A guy or a woman we should respect!! read his/her comments below!!
Dear concerned citizens of America and mass media of the U.S.A.
As a concerned disabled American Veteran and American citizen, I consider it my duty and responsibility to address the following critical issues facing the voters of our Greatgrand nation, the United States of America [USA].

1. Does the joint ticket have a calm, cool, and collected " temper and impulse" [Presidential Temperament]?
2. Does each ticket have sound and sustained "Judgment and Caliber"?
3. Does each ticket have a "presidential depth and degree" in regard to their purpose, policies, and positions?
4. Does each ticket have adequate, "understanding and knowledge" of workings around Washington"?
5. Does each ticket have enough "vigor, wisdom and Vision" for the future of our beloved Great-grand Nation?
6. Does each ticket possess enough joint foreign policy experience and exposure based on "American Values, Virtues, Vastness, and strong soul"?
7. Do their campaign talk, slogans, ads, plans, and programs based on facts and are they free of fear, fiction, frivolous labels, unfair attacks, negativity, and impulsivity? [Danger to country and national security].
8. Does the ticket keep country or politics first? [McCain stole Obama's change and is running with it.]
9. Does the ticket move us closer to Culture Divide and war[ Disaster for our nation and economic challenges].
10.Is the campaign surrounded, supported, and arrogated by divisive people, media, politicians, and blusters [Loss of Maverick's as shown by his new shiftiness, shamelessness, and shallowness].

As a Independent registered voter I have decided to vote for the Obama-Biden ticket. I am sure they will protect our national security, strengths, stamina and soul as well as rebuild our nation from the bottom up in all areas of need. The OBAMA-BIDEN ticket will restore our global standing with the use of maximum, firm international diplomacy and minimal force if and when indicated.

Yours sincerely,

COL. A.M. Khajawall [Ret] MD., Forensic psychiatrist, Colonel, US-AR / MC Combat Stress Control[Ret], Disabled American Veteran and Iraq Freedom team.

Posted by: COl. A.M.Khajawall [Ret] | September 14, 2008 3:07 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

I don't think things like Pigs and lipstick matter when it comes to the future of the country. I think - I hate to say it - Karl's right, maybe he has softened up a little, who knows, if he is saying the candidates are fighting dirty - you got to believe the guy. I do have to say though if he is saying that the dems are lying it probably doesn't mean quite as much for him to say that people from his own party are lying. He says derogotory things about the dems all the time.. It probably has to mean more if he says it about the other side. At this point the fan fair of the Palin thing is dying down (I don't see much from her today other than her husband is being called in to testify on troopergate) and maybe people can start a real conversation about what the candidates are about and what they intend to do. They have both done bad things to one another - I hope they can let it go. McCain and Obama are respectful men, I hope they can act in accordance with who they are, and what they want to become.

Posted by: Sara | September 15, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

The cause is about restoring our country and this is what Obama represents.
But if you are one of those that cares little about people living in the streets,and people not knowing where they will get the next meal, or the fact that your best friend just lost his job and now don't have the means to provide for his family then McCain is your man.

-mark from tenn-

um. bro, i grew up on the streets, its junk legislation that keeps people there. no one gets off the streets by enlisting in handouts from various organizations.

they get out because they try to get out. they make an effort. some like obama get out because of sheer luck of the draw. being born to the right household etc.

remember we are all born poor.

the type of change obama represents for this country, is purely racial. theres not one historical instance were obama has proven he will change anything aside from policy.

and since we have had democrats and republicans both in power in over 200 years we should have learned by now that policy doesnt do it.

the people who did it, lincoln, roosevelt, reagan, and washington.

both sides of the aisle have lead change. but what was it about them that lead us to change? was it policy? or was it mindset?

if you beleive it was policy i feel sorry for you, but if you beleive its mindset then i dont understand in the least how u can vote for obama.

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Well I'm going to play a little devils advocate here. Noone can lay claims to the right as to who is a genuine American here.

1. The land that you occupy isn't yours at all. It belongs to the native Americans.
The white came here from Spain and Britian.

2. The blacks don't own it because we were slaves and even considered today as African-Americans. Not really belonging to Africa or America.

So my point is this "WHO REALLY CARES" the man lives in America studied in America worked in America and has done more for the people of America than any current politican in office today.

This race isn't about what the people need to hear anymore. It's about what the people don't want to hear. This is what is making the headlines.

Noone really cares about Sarah Palin anymore and that is not said to talk bad about her. But the fact is it's about McCain and Obama.

Obama is about change for every American and McCain is about misguided truths and lies and scandal. His entire campain has it written all over it.

The problem is main stream American don't want to except it. They would rather go with deception than vote for a cause. The cause is not about putting a black man in office.

The cause is about restoring our country and this is what Obama represents.
But if you are one of those that cares little about people living in the streets,and people not knowing where they will get the next meal, or the fact that your best friend just lost his job and now don't have the means to provide for his family then McCain is your man.

But when it becomes your time and the boss calls you in the breakroom and say that you no longer have a job think about who it was that you voted for and then close the door a cry because the only one you will be able to blame will be yourself

Posted by: Mark of Tenn | September 15, 2008 12:46 AM
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Mark,

I understand your caring for others but your statement on Obama and McCain can be disagreed by others. I don't believe Obama has the record to help us restore our country and McCain does. Who makes you believe that McCain doesn't care about others when his life is a true example of sacrifice for others and frankly what has Obama done in this area? His record is quite thin and more than anything, his story is one of self-gratification. To me DEEDS speak louder than words and promises!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | September 15, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Dale

Submit your resume to foxnews Attention Sean hannity. You are a great american.

Posted by: hannity | September 15, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

This is Rover -Woof woof- hey can anyone tell me how to get in touch with that guy who plans to heal the world and stop the oceans from rising? I have a thorn in my side and I figured since he's got all that power- he might be able to help me.

Whaat? You mean to say you have to elect him before he starts healing everyone? Well-woof! I guess I best look for that Phoenix that's rising from the ashes.

Wait--I think I see him flying over head...

cyas later

Love,
Rover


Posted by: piic | September 15, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Well I'm going to play a little devils advocate here. Noone can lay claims to the right as to who is a genuine American here.

1. The land that you occupy isn't yours at all. It belongs to the native Americans.
The white came here from Spain and Britian.

2. The blacks don't own it because we were slaves and even considered today as African-Americans. Not really belonging to Africa or America.

So my point is this "WHO REALLY CARES" the man lives in America studied in America worked in America and has done more for the people of America than any current politican in office today.

This race isn't about what the people need to hear anymore. It's about what the people don't want to hear. This is what is making the headlines.

Noone really cares about Sarah Palin anymore and that is not said to talk bad about her. But the fact is it's about McCain and Obama.

Obama is about change for every American and McCain is about misguided truths and lies and scandal. His entire campain has it written all over it.

The problem is main stream American don't want to except it. They would rather go with deception than vote for a cause. The cause is not about putting a black man in office.

The cause is about restoring our country and this is what Obama represents.
But if you are one of those that cares little about people living in the streets,and people not knowing where they will get the next meal, or the fact that your best friend just lost his job and now don't have the means to provide for his family then McCain is your man.

But when it becomes your time and the boss calls you in the breakroom and say that you no longer have a job think about who it was that you voted for and then close the door a cry because the only one you will be able to blame will be yourself

Posted by: Mark of Tenn | September 15, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

OK, you're clarity of logic has won me over (obviously we have not been in the same country for the last 4 years), but one question:

What about the people who served in Iraq, but when they came back found out that they had lost their seniority at work and lost their health insurance benefits? This would be because all of the tax-dollars were funneled out of our economy and to contractors in Iraq, in addition to "Free-market" economics where the corporations are encouraged to become more efficient - i/e reduce headcount, cut benefits. (This is from personal experience, so don't tell me it doesn't happen) Not only will McCain continue the same pre-emptive strategies, but he will continue the same economic policies as well, since these are key to the Republican Party platform.

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 15, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

One last post before I go to sleep -

I know that these boards have little impact on anything, but the rumors are out of control. Natualized Citizenship? Comeon, I hope nobody is buying this nonsense. Obama is a Citizen not a Naturalized Citizen. He doesn't need to apply for anything. This is ridiculous. He was born in the US to a US citizen, so he is automatically a citizen. All that is required for "proof" is a birth certificate.

Naturalization is the process of becoming a citizen. Obama didn't need to be Naturalized because he was born here. I mean for crying out loud, where is McCain's citizenship records, he wasn't even born in the states, he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. If he wasn't born in the US or to a US citizen, then he could become a naturalized citizen, but he would not be eligible for the presidency. The presidency requires a NATURAL-BORN Citizen, not a naturalized citizen.


I know that it's just nonsense and I doesn't even merit a response, but it jut sickens me to think that someone might read that nonsense and without doing any research, believe that it's true. Maybe they should require citizenship tests for everyone.
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If there is a VALID birth certificate that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii with a parent that was a US citizen, then he is a a natural born US citizen.

Is this document posted valid? Does it have a valid BVS seal ? There is an allegation that he was born in Kenya and his mother had renounced US Citizenship. Is this true? So, don't run so quickly thinking that the issue is closed. I will need to verify the validity of this document as it has to pass a validity test as required by law. As a former Social Security employee I can tell you that each state has its own regulations and documents are examined carefully from all states and of course any document that is issued by former territories or current territories are examined carefully. Further, any document that comes from a foreign country is reviewed carefully in concordance with the SSA Laws for foreign documents.

So, issues are:

1)Validity of this BC from Hawaii
2)Was Obama born outside the USA?
3)Was Obama's mother a US citizen at the time of his birth?

There is a Lawsuit filed and that poses a question also.

Aspergirl could be raising some valid points, so don't dismiss her too quickly.

Posted by: Hispana | September 15, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 15, 2008 12:20 AM

anyone who claims they wouldnt vote for the war in the same circumstances that they did is an idiot, time energy and social circumstances ALWAYS dictate action or innaction.

if they didnt, they would be against the very voters who elected them. that is not a politicians job.

and i didnt make the equation that troop support was war support, you did.

i asked you to explain that to the mother of a child who died. to tell her that her son although honorable, died for a pointless war.

because if you truly beleive it, that should be no problem for you.

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Dale you are really something. I'm so proud of you. You deserve a talk show.

Sean Hannity.

Posted by: hannity | September 15, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone here palin was arrested for prostitution in Hi while attend college?

Posted by: skank | September 15, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Why do people always try to tie support of the war with support for our troops? This argument doesn't hold water.

The troops are doing a good job, no matter what they do, their job is to do what the generals and the president and congress decides. They do not have the to suffer the moral dillemas of whether the war was justified or not, nor should they. To say that the war was unjustified is not cowardice, but honesty. Many people (although I certainly not all) supported the war before knowing that Bush lied. Only a few, after the truth came out, said that they would do it again knowing what they know now. McCain was one. This is a fact. It has nothing at all to do with what our troops are going through, and it would be ridiculous to think that not voting someone into office who would do it all over again is anything other that a statement of support for our troops.

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 15, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I always had a decent view of John McCain until this election. He has become as bad as Dick Cheney.

Hard to believe, but true. I lost all respect for him.

Posted by: Don | September 15, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

for micheal,

http://www.climatechange.alaska.gov/

you will notice the main one which i assume you notice and a smaller reference to another committee near the bottom.

for a full look at the realities involved.

palin was the one who put polar bears on the endangered species list. (she had hoped it would not affect drilling in ANWR at the time). later had trouble dealing with environmentalists demanding that it would affect the polar bears (which she obviously knew it would not).

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

John McCain was born in Panama.

Posted by: chitown | September 15, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 15, 2008 12:10 AM

like you? the current and the historical interpretation of the constitution demands naturalized citizenship, for the last 150 years. legal precedents have been upheld due to it.

but of course, it requires research to find that out :).

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

do some research, palin has initiated two of the most comprehensive groups on climate change in america.

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 12:03 AM

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WELL, SINCE SHE'S ONLY BEEN GOVERNOR FOR LESS THAN 2 YEARS, SHE HAS HARDLY DONE AS YOU CLAIM.

IF SO, SHE COULD'VE SAVED MANY COUNTRIES AND SCIENTISTS, INCLUDING OUR OWN, MANY YEARS AND LOTS OF MONEY.

HMMM, DOES THAT INTRODUCE THE CONCEPT OF NEGATIVE TIME?

NEVERTHELESS, SHE DOES CLAIM THAT ONE OF HER GROUPS DISPUTES THE DIMINUTION OF POLAR BEARS WHICH IT DOES NOT. I'VE NOT HEARD OF THE OTHER GROUP, BUT THAT IS IRRELEVANT...FOR PURPOSES OF THIS DUSCUSSION. CAN YOU PROVIDE A CITATION?

Posted by: michael4 | September 15, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

One last post before I go to sleep -

I know that these boards have little impact on anything, but the rumors are out of control. Natualized Citizenship? Comeon, I hope nobody is buying this nonsense. Obama is a Citizen not a Naturalized Citizen. He doesn't need to apply for anything. This is ridiculous. He was born in the US to a US citizen, so he is automatically a citizen. All that is required for "proof" is a birth certificate.

Naturalization is the process of becoming a citizen. Obama didn't need to be Naturalized because he was born here. I mean for crying out loud, where is McCain's citizenship records, he wasn't even born in the states, he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. If he wasn't born in the US or to a US citizen, then he could become a naturalized citizen, but he would not be eligible for the presidency. The presidency requires a NATURAL-BORN Citizen, not a naturalized citizen.


I know that it's just nonsense and I doesn't even merit a response, but it jut sickens me to think that someone might read that nonsense and without doing any research, believe that it's true. Maybe they should require citizenship tests for everyone.

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 15, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

hispania,

its okay, you dont have to keep argueing the points. its the independents who read that we need to reach, not the blind liberals, no one will change thier minds. im quite sure that we have done enough, with this article...on to the next :D.

liberal bias vs. dale round 7 BEGIN!

-mortal kombat music-

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:41 PM
OMG LEARN TO READ MICHEAL i didnt say oil seeps out of the earth, i said DUE TO UNTAPPED OIL.
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HMM, READ YOU OWN POST. YES YOU DID. EVEN TAKING YOUR CURRENT "ARGUMENT" WHY WOULD UNTAPPED OIL LEAD TO GLOBAL WARMING?

BTW, I POSTED YOUR STUPID COMMENT FOR REFERENCE. SEE FOR YOURSELF.

Posted by: michael4 | September 15, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Dale,

You are quite correct on your points about the war and anyone here that does not respect what are soldiers so bravely are doing are cowards!!! Let them continue being blind!!!

Posted by: Hispana | September 15, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:59 PM

do some research, palin has initiated two of the most comprehensive groups on climate change in america.

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:43 PM

k, im done in this article,

IF I WERE YOU, I'D LEAVE TOO...

i think you have all done a great job of proving me aspergirl and hte other republicans correct.

GONG!

by ignoring anything said, then calling us ignorant.

NO NOT ALL, JUST YOU. OKAY, AND ASPERGIRL (IN PREVIOUS POSTS)...

thanks ;).

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:46 PM

and micheal, if you read the very thing your arguing against that you posted, you will see i refuted your claims that we should "do nothing".

NO, YOU DIDN'T. YOU TWIST THE FACTS.

as palin has done the most to combat climate change.

LIKE WHAT? WITH HER SCIENTIFIC UNDERSTANDING GAINED BY STUDYING... JOURNALISM? CREATONISM? HOLY-ROLLING?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 11:48 PM

no it doesnt invalidate the honor, it invalidates the work.

and im sorry, but the point is that obama is as ignorant about war as bush is, and mccain is the only person who has made consistently good decisions on it.

at the time of the war it was public opinion to go in, and he made that call, and after the war began he made countless good decisions in congress on how to go about the war better.

either way i encourage you to make your point to a mother of one of the soldiers who died in iraq. to look into her eyes and tell her that although her sons death was honorable, he fought in a useless war, and you arent even going to finish what he died trying to do.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

dale -

I say it in caps because you're either not hearing or avoiding. I'm not talking about the surge - you were. I was talking about McCain. The issue is - was the war (not the "surge") justified? McCain thinks it was, but he is mostly alone in that view. The American public didn't like being misled, and does not want another Iraq.

Also, saying that the war was wrong doesn't invalidate the honor of the soldiers. They put their life on the line for our freedom, and we owe them extra government issued benefits when they return. Al we do by ignoring whether the war was justified is protect the people who put our citizens at risk in the first place.

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

k, im done in this article, i think you have all done a great job of proving me aspergirl and hte other republicans correct.

by ignoring anything said, then calling us ignorant.

thanks ;).

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

and micheal, if you read the very thing your arguing against that you posted, you will see i refuted your claims that we should "do nothing".

as palin has done the most to combat climate change.

thanks for ignoring everything written.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

OMG LEARN TO READ MICHEAL i didnt say oil seeps out of the earth, i said DUE TO UNTAPPED OIL.

my lord democrats need reading lessons too?

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Clinton fired Jocelyn Elders when she proposed teaching masterbation to kindergarteners, why does Obama get a pass?

Posted by: Jasb3 | September 14, 2008 11:34 PM
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Because Obama didn't make such a recommendation?

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 11:33 PM

im not here to defend bush, im here to defend mccain, because hes right.

im avoiding nothing, but again, if u want to play the blame game go ahead, its obviously not working.

and i would assume that because leiberman still shouts for john mccain that he also still agrees. as well as teh epople who voted for the surge. so ya, he must be the ONLY ONE. (cus if u say it in caps it makes it true).

and since people are over there dying, its not about whether the war was a good idea or not, its about the point of hundreds of men dying in vain, because you wont hold out for another year.

im could care less if the war was good or bad, but do you want to be the person to say that all of the dead went in for no reason and that they died with no validity? go right ahead. im not with ya on it, and i dont think many others are.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

amongst other myths you yourself posted this "gem" not only has sarah palin directly been responsible for the most comprehensive commitees on climate change in alaska. she is backed by science that suggests that at least half of the problem with global warming/climate change is due to ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS. specifically gases that seep out of the earth from natural resources (like oil) that are not tapped.

think about it on a simpler note, if CO2 if a major factor in causing climate change, would adding more carbon to oxygen be a good thing? so exactly why are democrats against drilling for oil?

most scientists are actually on palins side, but seriously, make an uninformed statement with no evidence and follow it right off a cliff, im sure that free thinking informed republicans wont be affected by it, because they prepare for reality, not for mindless promises.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:19
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No one argues that humans are responsible for all climate change. To take your number, if 50% is natural due to ENVIRONEMENTAL FACTORS like gases that seep from the earth (mainly methane, not oil you idiot...oil is not a gas) then we humans are absolved of all responsibility and need do nothing? We'll just burn up faster, but that is okay with you, eh? Great.

"adding carbon to oxygen"... what the heck does that mean? CO2 is caused by burning carbon based materials, like oil, wood, etc., or respiration, for that matter. The oceans can buffer certain amounts, but the whole processes are a bit more complicated than your simple mind can evidently comprehend.

People are concerned about drilling, not because of the drilling itself, but where the drilling is proposed...offshore or ANWR, and the environmental damage (and economic) that could easily occur.

It sounds to me as though you need to become educated. When you do, you'll realize how embarrassed of yourself you should be.

Incidentally, Palin has tried to hide her own scientific committee's findings. See polar bears.

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Clinton fired Jocelyn Elders when she proposed teaching masterbation to kindergarteners, why does Obama get a pass?

Posted by: Jasb3 | September 14, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

dale,

you're avoiding. As I said, the issue is not whether the surge worked. Of course we owe it to the people of Iraq to clean up after ourselves. The issue is whether the war in Iraq was correct. McCain thinks it was justified. NO ONE ELSE DOES. In the long run, will the Iraqi people be better off without Bush Sr.'s arch nemesis? Yes. Will the world be safer from terrorists - doubtful. Will the thousands of Iraqis who resented our presence or lost loved ones in the war stop hating us? Only time will tell. Should we try this again with Iran? NO NO NO NO NO!

When Obama went to Iraq, the Iraqis agreed with HIM about the timetable for withdrawal and then all of a sudden bush changes his tune - slightly.

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 11:19 PM

lol alright micheal, what is mccains problem from an occupational therapists point of view?

which bones are causing him to be unable to raise his hands above his head?

how does 5 years of bone growth without a set of the bones factor in? or does it?

and what is stephen hawkings condition?

come on, just try ;). i cant wait.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:21 PM

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Sorry Dale, but don't you think that arguing this is too silly?

McCain has proven to be quite a resourceful man and he is financially well to do. So, don't you think that he has already exhausted all avenues to deal with his physical limitations? Logic tell us YES!!! If you observe him you will see that he has problems lifting his arms and walking because his bones were broken and could not be properly taken care of for years while a POW. I think the subject should be over!!!

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

All Obama has to be to be a US citizen is to be born in the United States, regardless of what nationality his parents are.

Posted by: dbashaggy | September 14, 2008 11:15 PM

WRONG: wrong for 2 reasons, 1) to be a us citizen you simply have to apply, there is a test involved. thats about it.

to be a nationalized citizen, which is the whole question here, and is required for presidency, both parents must have been citizens for 10 years.

so .... wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, and also, you should send this to obamas camp, because this document has not yet been presented as evidence ;).

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's the birth certificate Obama's campaign made available to all on the internet, as related by snopes.com

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

All Obama has to be to be a US citizen is to be born in the United States, regardless of what nationality his parents are.

Posted by: dbashaggy | September 14, 2008 11:15 PM

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Indeed I will say this is correct if he was born in the United States and territories. Is this document a valid BC? There is much speculation still about Obama's place of birth and if he was born outside the US and his mother was not a US citizen at his time of birth, then we have an issue AND Aspergirl's comments will present an issue.

I know that there are plenty of silly lawsuits but in order to be pursued they have to present valid issues. If this document is legitimate that will trump this law suit immediately.

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 11:16 PM

my point was not that u live in a penthouse, but that in comparison to what is happening in iraq even an SRO would be comparable to a penthouse.

the same liberal bs that you spread is identicle to obama, before he went to iraq and saw firsthand and heard from the people facing bullets daily tell him hes full of it.

but its okay, you can claim that...."i cant handle the truth".

because thats all the validity you have to counter any arguement i make.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Palin? That's not change, that's Cheney. It'll just be 4 more years of the same government by the rich, for the rich and of the rich. We can kiss our sweet civil liberties goodbye for a long, long, time if McBush administration stays in power.

Vote for change you can believe in. Obama-Biden.

Posted by: AgentForChange | September 14, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 11:19 PM

lol alright micheal, what is mccains problem from an occupational therapists point of view?

which bones are causing him to be unable to raise his hands above his head?

how does 5 years of bone growth without a set of the bones factor in? or does it?

and what is stephen hawkings condition?

come on, just try ;). i cant wait.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

dbashaggy: thank you for a little sanity ;-)

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Palin, for example, does not believe climate change has a human cause. The scientific consensus says otherwise. Should her views carry equal weight as the campaign grinds on? My journalism professors would have said “no.”

anita,

amongst other myths you yourself posted this "gem" not only has sarah palin directly been responsible for the most comprehensive commitees on climate change in alaska. she is backed by science that suggests that at least half of the problem with global warming/climate change is due to ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS. specifically gases that seep out of the earth from natural resources (like oil) that are not tapped.

think about it on a simpler note, if CO2 if a major factor in causing climate change, would adding more carbon to oxygen be a good thing? so exactly why are democrats against drilling for oil?

most scientists are actually on palins side, but seriously, make an uninformed statement with no evidence and follow it right off a cliff, im sure that free thinking informed republicans wont be affected by it, because they prepare for reality, not for mindless promises.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

rofl, are you comparing 5 years of bone regrowth without having set the bones back in position to stephen hawkings illness?

because you are now a foreign policy expert and a doctor on the same par as obama for constitutional lawyer. good job, your proving republicans right by the minute.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:07 PM
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No, you're still wrong. I say it as an occupational therapist who has had many more challenging cases than him.

Hawkings case is much more challenging than McCain's, BTW.

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of what swift-boated Michael Duk, I'm sure all remember the racist ad of Willy Horton in the revolving door. Back then, that was the new low.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

dale,

you've obviously never been to New York. The people who own the penthouses are mostly Wall Street financiers who have the republican party in their pocket. The rest of us live in a - less than pleasant - environment.

Anyway, my comments about the surge were true, you just can't handle the truth. When they requested the surge, the timetable for withdrawal was a big part of the strategy - THAT'S WHY IT WAS CALLED THE SURGE. That timetable what shot to H**l. It worked, but it is not a surge. And the issue is not whether the surge worked. Of course we owe it to the people of Iraq to clean up after ourselves. The issue is whether the war in Iraq was correct. McCain thinks it was justified. No one else does.

And come to think about it, I read an article recently about how our military needed to be completely overhauled in order to meet the new face of warfare, which is discrete urban combat. Hmm... sounds a bit like my home town. I think that the NYPD, for all its faults, could have cleaned up Iraq better and for less taxpayer money.

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Here's the birth certificate Obama's campaign made available to all on the internet, as related by snopes.com

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

All Obama has to be to be a US citizen is to be born in the United States, regardless of what nationality his parents are.

Posted by: dbashaggy | September 14, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove = Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:39 PM

obama calls the president of russia a warmonger. NEW SUBJECT.

until obama calls the french sissys
NEW SUBJECT.

until obama calls pakistani's just another jihadist nation.
NEW SUBJECT.

AS SHOWN ABOVE, SINCE THESE SUBJECTS WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY UNDER DISCUSSION, THEY ARE, BY DEFINITION, NEW (IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR DISCUSSION). IT IS JUST YOU SPEWING NEW ACCUSATONS, AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED, AFTER YOUR PRIOR ARGUMENT WAS SHOWN TO BE ILLOGICAL AND WRONG.

I suspect you are just plain stupid, or just argumentative with no self-discipline, or just a shill.

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama citizenship myth...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:06 PM

again, thank you for proving that obama is not a citizen, but once again snopes ignores the issue.

a natural born citizen must have a father and mother of citizenship for over 10 years.

it is quit clear that obamas father does not fit this test. however snopes only questions teh validity of the mother.

also, check the resource used by snopes to obtain proof, and to challenge. they specifically chose an article that attacks the mothers citizenship so as not to arise suspicions about the father.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I thought Bush's campaign in 2000 and 2004 were slimefests, but McCain's campaign this year is even worse than both of Bush's campaigns combined!

When Karl Rove, the King of Slime, is saying your campaign has gone too far, then your campaign, Mr McCain, is basically bordering Satan's neighborhood!

Posted by: Andrew | September 14, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I borrowed the point below but the person expresses my sentiments to the last word!...

"while reporters have ridiculed Democrat Michael Dukakis for riding in a tank and belittled Barack Obama for the Greek columns at his nomination speech, Republicans have succeeded in turning the manipulation of myth into an art form.

That’s been evident this week as Rove protégé and Sen. John McCain’s adviser Steve Schmidt has steadied the ship of Sarah Palin’s rollout. First, he bullied the news media into submission. Then the campaign pushed an unrelenting portrayal of her as a maverick.

As reporters disclosed that Ms. Palin sought earmarks for her hometown before she opposed them and supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it, the campaign’s message only got more persistent and better packaged. On Monday, it released a new ad titled “Original Mavericks.”

And while the McCain campaign hammered the media for invading Palin’s privacy, it has used every opportunity to idealize her family, even flying in the boyfriend of her pregnant 17-year-old daughter Bristol and parading both on stage behind the governor after she accepted the Republican nomination for vice president. Reality television seemed to trump reality itself as the nomination took on the look of a new daytime soap. Meanwhile, the news media – pushed back by the McCain campaign, then fed this feel-good story line – converted Palin from untested and unvetted to “hockey mom,” a “pit bull with lipstick” ready to bite Obama.

The turnaround has been breathtaking.

Just over a week ago reporters disclosed that Palin is being investigated for allegedly trying to intimidate state officials into firing her estranged state trooper brother-in-law. Commentators raised sharp questions about her inexperience and poor vetting. Airwaves filled with idle – and sexist – speculation over whether a mother of five could handle the vice presidency.

But by Friday, an MSNBC commentator offered the breathy pronouncement that the McCain-Palin ticket “will be ahead in the polls by the end of the week.” And on Sunday a long profile in The Washington Post pivoted on this sentence: “Of the many striking images of Palin – sportswoman, beauty queen, populist – in Alaska the most iconic is working mother, a perfectly coifed professional woman balancing public duties and child-rearing in a charismatic blur of multitasking.”

Meanwhile, reports of Palin’s hard-right credentials (anti-abortion, pro-gun, possibly pro-creationism, and pro-abstinence education) receded rapidly as did news, covered in a blur, that she had attended five colleges over six years before graduating.

The see-saw story of Sarah Palin should give the press pause. Feeding frenzies followed by fawning serve only to confuse. If the public is to make sound decisions, to sort what’s real from what’s manufactured, the media must do their job with greater consistency and greater care.

1. The media should redouble efforts to unearth facts and spend far less time on speculation and titillation. McCain, Palin, Obama, and Joe Biden all have records. It’s the media’s job to expose contradictions in them – and to keep doing so even when campaigns push back. It is not the media’s job to speculate who will be leading next week or whether a candidate can parent and govern simultaneously.

2. The media need to reexamine the meaning of journalistic objectivity. It is not to give equal weight and space to each side of an issue. It is to report fully and fairly, to determine where the facts fall, and to write what’s verifiably true – giving a say, but not equal space, to those who contest the facts without evidence.

Palin, for example, does not believe climate change has a human cause. The scientific consensus says otherwise. Should her views carry equal weight as the campaign grinds on? My journalism professors would have said “no.”

3. The media should regularly explain what reporters do and why. In an era in which reporters are about as popular as $4-a-gallon gasoline, this is imperative. This spring I gave a workshop to some 50 university public information employees. I faced a long silence before anyone could tell me what the First Amendment protects.

Until the news media turn both tougher and fairer, provides contextual truth and not just balance, political operatives will hold the upper hand. And the public will move through election cycles like motorists peering into a thick fog."

Obviously the majority of people are expecting the MEDIA to do a little more balanced and accurate reporting on things that matter. On where these candiates stand!

Posted by: Anita | September 14, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 11:02 PM

rofl, are you comparing 5 years of bone regrowth without having set the bones back in position to stephen hawkings illness?

because you are now a foreign policy expert and a doctor on the same par as obama for constitutional lawyer. good job, your proving republicans right by the minute.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't you think for once out of 43 presidents we can have 1. Or are we still looked upon as second class citizens.
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I understand to some degree your sentiments and know your suffering. (read my prior comments).

With respect to the above comment I totally disagree because to me Obama IS NOT QUALIFIED. I will not elect him because of his race but his qualifications and Obama fails to meet this criteria.

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 11:01 PM

not only do i beleive that "arnie" is not truly republican, i also beleive that bush isnt, as neither uphold republican fiscal policies.

and no, im not a democrat, so i dont change my view to fit the climate.

i dont claim to have a background in constitutional law while upholding extremist views of constitutional interpretation.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

"Rove said he believed that Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment was a "deliberate slap at Governor Palin," saying it came too soon after the Alaska governor's pitbull comment not to be. Rove also said while it might be fair to criticize McCain for being a longtime Washington insider, faulting McCain for not using a computer when he can't type due to war injuries is not."

posted by Anonymous, who was too embarassed of himself to post his/her name...
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"due to war injuries..." Maybe, but probably not. He is a very wealthy man and physical and occupational therapists aren't so expensive they couldn't devise a method if McCain really wanted one. For god sake, Stephen Hawking uses a computer!

That is to say, the excuse is illogical. Besides, he can hold a cup, shake hands, etc. My ex-wife couldn't type, but it had nothing to do with "war injuries". It had to do with lack of motivation to learn.

Why is McCain not motivated to learn what you and I know is very simple stuff? Because he has others to do it for him? He is incapable of doing it for himself. He is personally out of touch, by his choice and elite lifestyle. He must live with that, good or bad.


Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 10:56 PM

um, check your facts, staying in vietnam was actually a bi-partisan issue, having watched history play out over 70% of the country wishes we would have stayed, at least a year longer, because of the fallout from our leaving.

as for your comments on teh surge, thats typical liberal bs THE SAME BS THAT OBAMA SPEWED BEFORE HE ACTUALLY ASKED THE GENERALS.

please, stop claiming an understanding of war from your park avenue penthouse.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Dale:

regardless of whatever the facts are, the point is that you wouldn't care if it were a Republican. In fact, I bet you would defend California gov Arnie if he were to try to appeal the citizen law, which he has publicly mused over.

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

dale... you're off the deep end now. Typical ploy, though. When your position is exposed as illogical and stupid, rather than admit defeat, you just attempt to change the subject and spew more accusations. Grow up.

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 10:48 PM

where is the change of subject? is this not you spewing accusations? hmmm. i wonder. im gonna leave it up to the people, because i think your liberal is showing ;).

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Been gone a while...

Dale: Obama is a citizen. He was born in this country. For more info, see:
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Aspergirl: Unbelievable! Is there a link to this ad. I'd like to see it. Otherwise, it's BS. Wow. Moments in de-evolution. Priceless!
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I read your reference and it still does not answer some of the points raised by Aspergirl, so please don't run and dismiss her so quickly: Issues here are the citizenship of Obama's mother at the time of Obama's birth and place of birth of Obama.

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:36 PM

yes war is all that mccain knows....and you know all those years in the senate....

but of course, obama has knowledge of war because of...........having gone to iraq and noticing that he was wrong about the surge not working?

ya, ur right, mccain is just a warmonger....

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Please, sarcastically agreeing with something doesn't make it not true. McCain is not as bad as all of the smears spread by spammers, but neither is Obama. That being said, McCain IS a warmonger. It doesn't matter how many years he has, his life is defined by war. the POW thing only ingrained that. He stongly believes that we should have stayed in Vietnam and he was one of the few people who thought that going into Iraq was the right thing to do even after the truth of the pretenses came out.

As for the "surge" we know a few things, It did not work as intended, and should not be called a surge, since that implies moving a lot of forces in briefly and then puling back. It should be called a re-occupation. Yes, the re-occupation has (at least temporarily) helped to stabilize the country, but the fact is we should have never been there in the first place, since it only makes us more open for terrorist attacks. We should have had more troops in Afghanistan and stayed there until we solidified that country and routed out Al Queda.

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh it's no doubt that this election has made it's turn to the worst campaign I've ever seen. This is going to turn real ugly within the next few weeks and it won't be the candidates. It's going to be the American people themselves.

Something is not right here people. We are at each others throats and noone has even been elected yet. You can bet the rest of the world is sitting back laughing thier behinds off.

Are we setting ourselves up for another civil war. I don't know, it kind of look like we are. What I'm about to say is the truth weither you want to adhear to it or not. But it has to be said.

Whites just don't want a black in office. (not all feel this way but the ones that do makes it bad for those that don't).

Blacks feels as though it's time, due to the fact that we have for so long been denighed the right to the same political process of the highest office in the freeworld simply because some in this country feels " This country just ain't ready for that yet". The question is by whoose standard?

Then you have the facisist that feel that it's thier right to achieve status quoe because of gender which has never been an issuse with blacks.

What balacks are tired of is hearing these bigots use thier political power to infleunce the common man with thier poison.

I thought Jim Crow was dead. Obviously not. When you here white make statements on a syndicated News cast that "I'm a good old southern boy from Georga, and I just can't see me voting for a black to bring change, and the only change that he bring was that he could hold in a cup" CNN Roland Martin special.

This is the crap that we continue to have to put up with.
I've heard so many reason why we can't run this contry why don't someone tell me why we can.

I'm really beginning to question this country not because it's America but because of the hypocritical people that lives here that hides behind thier so called Christian views.

Remember it was in the name of Christianity that this land was taken from the real Americans. We are so in tuned with God so we say, but we allow any and everything to be done in this country that is against his will and try to justify it. For what? Not to please God but the people and the high profile religous leaders.

Don't you think for once out of 43 presidents we can have 1. Or are we still looked upon as second class citizens.

Boy I tell you the truth Americans are some funny people indeed. They say one thing and do another. No wonder the rest of the world feels the way they do about us. The problem is that we are to blind to see it.

Posted by: Mark of Tenn | September 14, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 10:40 PM

"pleasechange" your point, the issue has never been if obama was born in the country or not (tho his own grandmother says he was not born in hawaii, and hawaii has no documentation of his birth).

the issue is whether or not hes a naturalized citizen.

to be naturalized you must have a father and a mother who both have been american citizens for 10 years or more.

u may do the research to find out one way or another, but the lawsuit is still an issue, and obama has done his best to hinder the verdict.

should we REALLY let him be president with powers to overturn constitutional judgment BEFORE this issue is resolved?

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

>> PleaseChange wrote: "Aspergirl: Unbelievable! Is there a link to this ad. I'd like to see it. Otherwise, it's BS. Wow. Moments in de-evolution. Priceless!"

GET A CLUE:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1185304443?bctid=1789003018

Obama campaign ad that has blatant lies in it:
McCain knows how to use a computer & has a laptop on the trail,
McCain knows how to email,
McCain doesn't say he doesn't understand the economy,
McCain can't type much because of his hand problems from the torture (war injuries)

Obama's a sleazy campaigner, 10x more cynical than McCain.

OBAMA'S A BIG FAT LIAR LYING ABOUT & MOCKING MCCAIN'S WAR INJURIES.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS GOOD. WHAT ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WHO HAVE FOUGHT. MCCAN DID IT ALL ON HIS OWN.


"Rove said he believed that Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment was a "deliberate slap at Governor Palin," saying it came too soon after the Alaska governor's pitbull comment not to be. Rove also said while it might be fair to criticize McCain for being a longtime Washington insider, faulting McCain for not using a computer when he can't type due to war injuries is not."

Typical Republican and Rove BS. No one faulted McCain for not being able to use a computer because of war injuries. McCain doesn't know how to use a computer, maybe Rove doesn't either.

Did they ever look at the people without arms who use them.
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What a sad state of affairs when you and others stoop to this level. This is total cowardice and degeneration. You should be kissing the ground that McCain walks on because THANKS to him you and everyone else have the liberties that we enjoy!!!

Totally DISGUSTING comment!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:38 PM

THE REPUBLICANS HERE MUST THINK THE WORLD OWES IT'S EXISTENCE TO MCCAIN/PALIN.

Posted by: UNBELIEVEABLE BS BY THE PUBS | September 14, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

dale... you're off the deep end now. Typical ploy, though. When your position is exposed as illogical and stupid, rather than admit defeat, you just attempt to change the subject and spew more accusations. Grow up.

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

In retrospect, quoting rove is a mistake. He has got to be the most manipulative people in politics. Anything he says in public is a set up. If he's critizing McCain, that's a joke because he's part of the McCain campaign machine.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Been gone a while...

Dale: Obama is a citizen. He was born in this country. For more info, see:
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Aspergirl: Unbelievable! Is there a link to this ad. I'd like to see it. Otherwise, it's BS. Wow. Moments in de-evolution. Priceless!

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 10:35 PM

ya false issue, until obama calls the president of russia a warmonger.

until obama calls the french sissys

until obama calls pakistani's just another jihadist nation.

because, you know, veiled insults go over well, especially with the tensions right now in russia.

good point micheal. lets put you in charge of foreign relations. you obviously know a great deal.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

"Thanks for the Kool aid aspergirl. I will vote for McCain now.

Posted by: brock101 | September 14, 2008 10:32 PM "

I believe Aspergirl and Brock101 are two PUBs playing headgames. Read their posts and see how they set it up.


Posted by: I Believe | September 14, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"Rove said he believed that Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment was a "deliberate slap at Governor Palin," saying it came too soon after the Alaska governor's pitbull comment not to be. Rove also said while it might be fair to criticize McCain for being a longtime Washington insider, faulting McCain for not using a computer when he can't type due to war injuries is not."

Typical Republican and Rove BS. No one faulted McCain for not being able to use a computer because of war injuries. McCain doesn't know how to use a computer, maybe Rove doesn't either.

Did they ever look at the people without arms who use them.
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What a sad state of affairs when you and others stoop to this level. This is total cowardice and degeneration. You should be kissing the ground that McCain walks on because THANKS to him you and everyone else have the liberties that we enjoy!!!

Totally DISGUSTING comment!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kevin | September 14, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Even the article above failed to include a recitation of Rove's criticism of Obama's attacks on McCain re: computing:

"Rove said he believed that Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment was a "deliberate slap at Governor Palin," saying it came too soon after the Alaska governor's pitbull comment not to be. Rove also said while it might be fair to criticize McCain for being a longtime Washington insider, faulting McCain for not using a computer when he can't type due to war injuries is not."

The media is ignoring all the bad & false things Obama says & does.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iNqx9PuOACejaUwVbRe1megkfmNwD936QET80

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

10. "I was looking at the Sturgis schedule, and noticed that you had a beauty pageant, so I encouraged Cindy to compete. I told her [that] with a little luck, she could be the only woman to serve as both the First Lady and Miss Buffalo Chip." --on the annual Miss Buffalo Chip Pageant, which features topless (and occasionally bottomless) contestants, Sturgis, South Dakota, Aug. 4, 2008 (Watch video clip)

9. "We have a lot of work to do. It's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq-Pakistan border." --referring to a border that does not exist, ABC News interview, July 21, 2008

8. "I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don't expect to be a great communicator, I don't expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need." --New York Times interview, July 13, 2008

7. "I will veto every single beer, um, bill with earmarks." --speaking at the National Small Business Summit, Washington, D.C., June 10, 2008 (Watch video clip)

6. "We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies." --Kenner, Louisiana, June 3, 2008 (Watch video clip)

5. "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should. I've got Greenspan's book." --as quoted in the Boston Globe, Dec. 17, 2007

4. "You know that old Beach Boys song, Bomb Iran? Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." --breaking into song after being asked at a VFW meeting about whether it was time to send a message to Iran, Murrells Inlet, South Carolina, April 18, 2007 (Watch video clip)

3. "I think -- I'll have my staff get to you. It's condominiums where -- I'll have them get to you." --after being asked how many houses he and his wife, Cindy, own, interview with Politico, Las Cruces, N.M., Aug. 20, 2008 (Take a Google Earth tour of the McCain residences and watch Obama's amusing ad slamming McCain)

2. "Make it a hundred...That would be fine with me." --to a questioner who asked if he supported President Bush's vision for keeping U.S. troops in Iraq for 50 years, Derry, New Hampshire, Jan. 3, 2008

1. "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt." --to his wife, Cindy, after she playfully twirled his hair and said "You're getting a little thin up there," as reported in the book The Real McCain by Cliff Schecter (Watch spoof video)

~Compiled by Daniel Kurtzman

Posted by: Kevin | September 14, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 10:31 PM

yes war is all that mccain knows....and you know all those years in the senate....

but of course, obama has knowledge of war because of...........having gone to iraq and noticing that he was wrong about the surge not working?

ya, ur right, mccain is just a warmonger....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 10:09 PM

yet only now does he choose to use lipstick on a pig as a reference.

or old fish and 8 years.

try again :D.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:17 PM
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Please, Dale, that is a really silly comment. Are you suggesting he clear his speeches about policy with you BEFORE he is allowed to deliver them? Personally, I have no idea how many times he's used that metaphor, nor do I care. It was an appropriate way to describe McCain's "change", IMHO, so he used it. So what?

Either way, Palin had nothing to do with it, and that was a false "issue" created by the McCain/Neocon campaign.

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl,

Why don't you send the article on the lawsuit to O'Reilly, Sean Hannity or Greta Van Susteren so that they investigate this?

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

actually its true mccain knows how to use a computer however.

DUE TO HIS INJURIES HE CANNOT TYPE FAST ENOUGH FOR IT TO BE WORTH USING.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/12/why-cant-mccain-email/

biden also asked a crippled veteran to get up and stand up out of his wheelchair.

obama biden, respecting veterans and war heros since sunday september 14th, 2008.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"Rove said he believed that Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment was a "deliberate slap at Governor Palin," saying it came too soon after the Alaska governor's pitbull comment not to be. Rove also said while it might be fair to criticize McCain for being a longtime Washington insider, faulting McCain for not using a computer when he can't type due to war injuries is not."

Typical Republican and Rove BS. No one faulted McCain for not being able to use a computer because of war injuries. McCain doesn't know how to use a computer, maybe Rove doesn't either.

Did they ever look at the people without arms who use them.

Posted by: PUBs LIE, LIE, LIE | September 14, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Kool aid aspergirl. I will vote for McCain now.

Posted by: brock101 | September 14, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Look - bottom line: If McCain wins, we will perpetually be at war because that's all this guy knows, and that is what he believes the role of the government is.

I don't care about who said what and. Boo-Hoo, the big bad liberals are insulting us. . . This is not what it's about, people. This is about not letting McCain's hand near the big red button, nothing else.

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

>>"Yes, AsperGirl it's all a big conspiracy. Your right you know everything, how could I have doubted you?"

It's called "corruption" -- the sleazy Chicago politics scene that everyone mentions vaguely but no one in the media covers the details about how Obama was involved in it. Your Obama's an oily character from a corrupt political scene.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

>>dale wrote: "but, if you think that you can bring a news article into court like "gore wins 2000" and reverse the election. go right ahead. factcheck will back you up, no doubt."

factcheck also has ignored this last Obama ad that was almost all completely false, saying McCain doesn't know how to use a computer & can't email. When (1) he uses a computer, (2) knows how to email, and (3) doesn't keyboard much on account of his hands being crippled by the torture he received as a POW.

Meanwhile, they are declaring as "false" statements in the McCain ads that are actually true.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes, AsperGirl it's all a big conspiracy. Your right you know everything, how could I have doubted you?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Hispana...when you claim to know "intention" that is akin to mind-reading, which I don't suppose you are capable of, so if I were you, I wouldn't claim to be.

Just because Rove said something in and of itself is not news. The story was about how the Obama campaign is using his words, correctly or not. It isn't, I believe and I could be wrong, a thorough and complete discussion of what ROVE SAYS.

If you are going to be condescending, at least be right.

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Lets be real and honest, the problem is racism. I just have a simple question – how soon will it be before the conservatives (party of bigots) call Obama the N-word openly? If Michelle Obama had pranced on stage at the convention with five children and one in the daughters oven it would have been decried as shameful and a disgraced. Yet, the white woman is celebrated as a saint. Have anyone heard the phrase baby-mama attached to this breeder? I find it interesting that the Fox bigots did not attach that label to her.

If Obama had posed for a picture with a died fly he would be the new OJ. I am personally fearful that when these two (McCain/Palin) steal the election like his predecessor did in both of the last two elections. Black people would be returned to SLAVERY. The strict constitutionalist, as they profess to be, would use the newly construct Supreme Court to find some of the earlier language that was used to assign Black people as chattel. At the very least this race of people will be reduced to Colored.

Posted by: An American Too | September 14, 2008 10:04 PM
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And I am afraid that as planned, this campaign is going to turn into THREATS if Obama doesn't win. As I have mentioned, the RACE CARD is played to the hilt by the Obama campaign and could stain this campaign.

I am tired about this degenerating like this. I empathize to some extent because I know that the black population has suffered in this country and there is ugliness in our past. But so have suffered our american indians and Hispanics and other minority groups.

The time has come for everyone to FREE ourselves from this ugly past and begin to do something for ourselves and realize that with our imperfections our country is the greatest on this earth and a land of opportunity where we can all rise, but not by staying as a VICTIM but by doing the best with the resources and abilities that we have. Please understand that there are many emerging and competing minorities that will surpass those that stay playing the victim. Leave the ugly past behind and join the rest because you will be left behind and YOU CANNOT blame others but yourself!!!!

Sorry, but Obama is not READY to face the challenges that lay ahead of us!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

>> Jeff wrote: "No factcheck is a bipartisan website. the facts are public record you can check yourself, but hey why take responsibility when you can just blame someone else?"

No, factcheck is a corrupt Obama tool. They have been phony & lying as hell this year.

IN January, they "debunked" that Obama ever belonged to a racist church where racist sermons were preached. They "debunked" that Trinity Church had inappropriate sermons. Of course, they had to issue an "update" after Obama was giving his "great race speech" explaining how screwed up Rev. Wright was, etc after his videos went viral.

There are dozens of examples of how factcheck.org has lied for Obama or ignored his lies.

Factcheck.org is an Annenberg project & Obama is associate with Annenberg in Chicago, along with William Ayers, going back for years & years.

The media is all corrupt this year. More than 50% of their factual election coverage is either spin or exaggerated or made up. To benefit Obama & cast his opponents in false bad light.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

URMom wrote: "We should have let the South secede - then we wouldn't have to deal with this BS".

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You want us to believe that you're open minded, and liberal. By voting for Obama you can show the world that you believe in diversity and inclusion. The fact is that most African-Americans live in the South.
You probably live in an "all white, progressive neighborhood". This is nothing more than liberal hypocracy. If the South secedes from the Union, then you can get rid of all those pesky African-Americans while you live in your all white fantasy world.

Posted by: Dodgers1 | September 14, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

No factcheck is a bipartisan website. the facts are public record you can check yourself, but hey why take responsibility when you can just blame someone else?

"Factcheck.org is an Obama tool site."

Posted by: Jeff | September 14, 2008 10:16 PM

jeff please do that research you claim you can do. find out that they use newspaper articles as "Facts". some articles proven wrong.

they also refuse to question any of the lies republicans accuse obama of.

but, if you think that you can bring a news article into court like "gore wins 2000" and reverse the election. go right ahead. factcheck will back you up, no doubt.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

the pig comments got some laughs for McSame. You guys just like to whine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8IhMMhe8w

Posted by: Plain/McSame08 | September 14, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

please,

stop talking about this nonsense!!!!!!!!

lipstick, fish, insults, whatever. WHO CARES.

YES, there almost definitely was an allusion to the pitbull comment, and the 8 years was reference to bush's term, but really, people... This is politics. We expect - no we WANT each side to say the other is wrong and then to go on and say why they are better. Obama was not questioning McCain or Palin's honor. He was using colorful language and most likely personifying their policies and their whole platform. Why would he want to say that Palin is a pig? Does he mean that she looks like a pig? Biden said she was pretty. OBVIOUSLY he was alluding to what she brought to the table, which is nothing.

Posted by: peopleofnewyork | September 14, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 10:09 PM

yet only now does he choose to use lipstick on a pig as a reference.

or old fish and 8 years.

try again :D.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Dale

War is a racket by smedley butler

Posted by: brock101 | September 14, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

No factcheck is a bipartisan website. the facts are public record you can check yourself, but hey why take responsibility when you can just blame someone else?

"Factcheck.org is an Obama tool site."

Posted by: Jeff | September 14, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

>>"explain the full context of the lipstick on a pig comment. when you add in the second half where obama says "old fish" and "8 years" hes refering to the false comprehension that mccain palin will be a 3rd term of bush. he directly refers to an old fish and 8 years making direct reference to mccain, how can u claim he is not also referencing palin?"

You know, you can parse and parse & say the grammar indicates this was the object of that modifier & etc. But the fact is that Obama's a rhetorical expert & he knows perfectly well that the memes in conjunction with a long, rambling discussion about the McCain-Palin ticket & its "change" theme, would juxtapose that imagery.

His audience had no doubt whatsoever what he meant, as the raucous cheering and clapping on hearing the words "lipstick on a pig" proved. Later, his audience was chanting "No pit bull!"

If you look at all the false accusations of racism the Obama camp has spewed out all year toward others, they make the "racial coding" argument. That is that "racially coded" memes (i.e. imagery that invokes or recalls some racial trait) is programmed into a speech criticizing Obama.

The false accusations "racial coding" that Obama's been making all year included false accusations that the 3 a.m. phone call was "racial coded" because white people might be afraid that a black man would pick up the phone. The instances over which the Obama camp has attacked his opponents with accusations of "racial coding" are absurd and not discriminatory. Clinton's 3 a.m. ad wasn't racially coded.

But if you want a prime, blatant example of a discriminatory-coded message, where bigoted imagery and memes are used in juxtaposition with attacks against a woman or minority opponent, Obama's "lipstick on a pig & smells like a fish" mockery of the McCain-Palin ticket is a classic. You even have the audience getting incited into jeering & hooting.

Look at the video again. It's a classic example of coded-speech bigotry.

Now the media, in waving off the "Lipstick on a pig" was a coincidental juxtaposition of an old phrase & that Obama forgot about, or was unaware of Palin's "pitbull in lipstick" tagline, overlooked that Obama didn't just tag the McCain-Palin ticket theme of "change" as 'lipstick on a pig" but also that it "smelled like a fish". My point is that the media has argued away the "pig" part but ignored the "fish" part. NO ONE has tried to argue that "old fish stink" is some kind of familiar political talk, or that a pig with lipstick on it that smells like a fish is some kind of coherent rhetoric for Mr. Rhetoric to come out with.

Finally, if you look at the whole talk, & not just focus on that one sentence, it's clear the antecedent reference for the "lipstick on a pig" & "smells like a fish" comments were McCain putting Palin on his ticket & wrapping that in a "change" theme.

Only the media has convinced itself, in its echo chamber, that people think that Obama wasn't throwing out a sexist smear. Even on NPR the anchor was saying that the members in her family that weren't in the media business felt Obama was calling Sarah Palin a pig that smelled like a fish.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brock101 | September 14, 2008 10:05 PM

its simple lack of evidence brock, they have the right in this day and age to sue, but without evidence no one can make an insinuation in a court of law.

the amendment would only make it so that each and every company that switched its facility around for the sake of war would have to eat any cost loss during that war. as such no facility would want to change around for war. this would kill men.

im sorry, but that cost you put up, tho well researched is not worth the lives that the amendment would cost.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

>> PleaseChange wrote: "Dale: this is old and bad news. Don't know who thinks they are suing Obama, but check it out for youself: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html"

Factcheck.org is an Obama tool site. It's funded by Annenberg foundation. Obama worked as an exec on an Annenberg project for 4 years, overseeing (with Bill Ayers) over $100 million dollars in grants for education improvement in Chicago. The Annenberg foundation pushed enormous money toward him. The project was a big failure & he doesn't list it on his experience & the lying media ignores it for him. But the fact is that Obama & Annenberg go way back, and Factcheck. org has been corrupt as hell this year. The whole media world is wacko this year, and you can't believe anything they say, even the watchdog organizations. You have to get all your information from pure information sites & read original data yourself.

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After 20 days of evading being served by a summons & playing games about who could accept service on behalf of Barack Obama as he flies around the U.S., a federal lawsuit filed against him alleging he cannot serve as President of the U.S. because he is not a U.S. citizen as finally been served on Barack Obama.

http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/

The U.S. Attorney & the Federal Election Commission accepted service of the summons on August 22, 2008, but none have taken action. Normally, the defendant(s) are expected to answer the lawsuit, admitting the truth or falsity of the facts alleged, before third parties react.

IF THE SUIT IS NOT LEGIT, WHY DID OBAMA GIVE THE SERVICE THE RUN AROUND & DODGE SERVICE, HOLDING IT UP FOR 20 DAYS WHILE THE ELECTION DRAWS NEAR?

The suit alleges that Obama cannot qualify for Office of President for 3 separate reasons:

(1) His mother, as Kenyan records & witnesses attest, gave birth to Obama in Kenya while on a visit because the airline refused to allow her to board a flight when her delivery was imminent (this is standard for airlines, to avoid in-flight births). 4 days after his birth, Barack & mother flew back to Hawaii & she registered his birth there. No records of live birth for Obama exist in Hawaii & no hospital records in Hawaii attest to his birth. For a variety of legal reasons, including the young age of his mother & the U.S. naturalization laws at the time, Obama would not be a natural born citizen if this is true. He would be a Kenyan citizen.

(2) The suit alleges that, even if he were a "natural born citizen", Obama lost his citizenship when his mother naturalized as an Indonesian citizen while they lived in Indonesia. Obama was registered as an Indonesian citizen, and as late as the age of 20, he used his Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan for undisclosed reasons while American citizens couldn't easily travel there due to restrictions.

(3) The lawsuit alleges that for a variety of reasons having to do with requirements for Obama to reclaim his citizenship if (2) were true, were not followed by him. I.e. he hasn't taken an Oath before an appropriate agent of the United States after his mother expatriated and his expatriation followed hers. He also never declared that he was giving up his Indonesian citizenship. At best, Berg alleges, Obama is a dual citizen of the U.S. and Indonesia, & a President with dual citizenship cannot have an undivided loyalties.

The very best that can be said of Barack Obama, even if all of the most lost-in-the-fog-of-the-past facts are all unable to be proved, is that he is, unquestionably, a dual citizen of the U.S. & Indonesia.

Indonesia is the country with the largest Muslim population in the World.

Final strange twist: Since Kenya was a British colony in 1961, Barack Obama might be a BRITISH citizen if (1) is true. & he might have a dual British & Indonesian citizenship and no claim to U.S. citizenship if BOTH (1) & (2) are true.

one article is at: http://www.phoenixvillenews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20110394&BRD=1673&PAG=461&dept_id=17915&rfi=6a
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Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl

Newsmax, foxnews, hannilimbaughliddyollienorth come come now.

Don't fall for the banana in the tail pipe propaganda

Posted by: chitown | September 14, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

from Wikipedia
Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition.[18] In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors.[19] Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.[19] He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and returned to Chicago where he had worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[18][20]
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Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).[24]

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama went on, and on, and on, and on and on, about the Bush boys backing Mc Cain.

Obama is now one of the Bush camp boys.....oh this is funny too funny.
Now they love Karl Rove.
Flip flop, a totally island way to walk.

Palin 2008


Hillary Clinton / Maize Hirano 2012

Posted by: dotty | September 14, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

explain the full context of the lipstick on a pig comment. when you add in the second half where obama says "old fish" and "8 years" hes refering to the false comprehension that mccain palin will be a 3rd term of bush. he directly refers to an old fish and 8 years making direct reference to mccain, how can u claim he is not also referencing palin?

veiled insults are the staple of the democratic party. they use them so that they dont have to stand by anything they say.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:00 PM
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old fish in NEW paper still stinks. Same thing, different metaphor.

Only in your mind is Palin the center of the universe. It is possible to discuss policy without referencing her. Obama has been for almost 2 years.

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps "Aspergirl" is a pseudonym for Karl Rove? So much vitriol spewed certainly lends itself to his influence at the very least.

For entertainment value I give this election year an A++!!!!

Posted by: Assperwipe | September 14, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: An American Too | September 14, 2008 10:04 PM

you are right, the problem is racism.

and people think obama is a payment in reparations for slavery.

that is a HUGE problem.

the presidency is not a race war, and barack wont denounce the black vote for the sake of posterity.

i will not allow race to be a positive factor in an election, neither should you.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Rove's comment regarding Obama's reference to "lipstick on a pig" was simply wrong, as is yours. But then I failed mind-reading.

Obama was talking about an economic policy that was the same, yet is referred to as change. The policy is the pig, and lipstick refers to trying to dress it up differently to justify calling it something other than a pig (change). It is, however, still a pig regardless of label. Surely you get that, eh? You aren't really so stupid that you don't, are you?

I believe Rove isn't that stupid, just biased. What is your excuse?

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008
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Patience is a vitue, Michael. I indicated the above to simply state that this reporter ran with a story misrepresenting it and NOT fully reporting it. ONCE MORE, Rove indicated that BOTH parties crossed the line and that Obama fully knew the consequences when he made the lipstick comment. That was his opinion but he said it. And I did not imagine it. The point is that this reporter is fully biased and did not report on the totality of the interview!!! Comprendes ahora?

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl

5 schools + 6 years = a freak with secrets

Posted by: brock101 | September 14, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I see there is a law suit pending, but has been discredited for the most part. I can't image that the republican war machine wouldn't have made a bigger stink if they thought it had any merit.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Dale what about black water? What about oversight? Where is that $9,000,000.000.00 missing in action? 3292 would have given the senate to hold hearings on companies like hilliburton that is responsible for 11 dead soldiers from bad shower? Dale face it you are wrong.

Posted by: brock101 | September 14, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

>> brock101 wrote: "Obama is a smart guy that did not list his race when he applied for harvard law."

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In David Mendell's 2007 biography, Obama, it was reported that Obama was a B student whose grades slipped so far below a B at High School that in his final year his grandmother feared he would not get into a university. The chapter ends with him being accepted into Occidental on a full scholarship.

The NYT has published a letter written by Obama in 1990, that discusses his own experiences with affirmative action.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/us/politics/03affirmative.html?_r=2&em=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin)

Mr. Obama quote: “[I] undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action” in [my] own academic career.

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>>"He paid his on way thank you. Please tell me you know this."

ANOTHER LIE - "I WORKED MY WAY THROUGH COLLEGE"

Who is Khalid al-Mansour?
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

Who is the “mystery man” former Manhattan Borough Chairman Percy Sutton named as having aided Barack Obama financially at Harvard Law School?

...

“In respect to Mr. Obama, I have told him, because so many people are running after him, and when stories get printed they usually get distorted and then he has to spend a lot of time trying to unravel them – and then after the experience of Rev. (Jeremiah) Wright whom I’ve never met, but I’ve followed the media coverage – I was determined that I was never going to be in that situation. I never discuss Barack Obama,” al-Mansour said.

“I wish him the best, and hope he can win the election, and if he wins the election, that he adopts this campaign for education,” he said.

Al-Mansour wants Obama to launch an education and program” for black and Hispanic students, using his rock-star popularity to motivate young people, parents, and teachers to improve achievement standards.

Al-Mansour said he is aware of Percy Sutton’s revelations that identified him as raising money for Obama’s law school education when the presidential candidate was 25.

Born the 11th of 12 children as Donald Warden to a polyglot father who often spoke glowingly about Islam, al-Mansour decided to change his name in 1964 after learning Arabic and studying Islam.

http://newsmax.com/newsfront/khalid_al_mansour/2008/09/04/127844.html

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Lets be real and honest, the problem is racism. I just have a simple question – how soon will it be before the conservatives (party of bigots) call Obama the N-word openly? If Michelle Obama had pranced on stage at the convention with five children and one in the daughters oven it would have been decried as shameful and a disgraced. Yet, the white woman is celebrated as a saint. Have anyone heard the phrase baby-mama attached to this breeder? I find it interesting that the Fox bigots did not attach that label to her.

If Obama had posed for a picture with a died fly he would be the new OJ. I am personally fearful that when these two (McCain/Palin) steal the election like his predecessor did in both of the last two elections. Black people would be returned to SLAVERY. The strict constitutionalist, as they profess to be, would use the newly construct Supreme Court to find some of the earlier language that was used to assign Black people as chattel. At the very least this race of people will be reduced to Colored.

Posted by: An American Too | September 14, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain could start WWIII if he have a pow flashback

Posted by: ugly sam | September 14, 2008 10:00 PM

and obama can start a race war.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain's the pig, Palin's the lipstick...
What does this have to do with the prosperity of our country?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

It is simply amazing to me how racism can cloud good judgement. I don't think it's inherently racist to not like Obama. It's a personal choice. What I find offensive and blatantly racist is the ease which some people come to believe any rumor or disparaging remark about Obama.

For example: How is it possible for some many people to claim that Obama is a Muslim AND be upset about his 20+ year attendance at a CHRISTIAN church pastored by Rev. Jeremiah Wright?? Can he be both at the same time... Really?

On another note... even if Obama WAS a practicing Muslim, why would that be so bad? What does it matter? Can only Christians live in the White House? I'm a Christian and could care less about someone of a different faith being President. That's why we have a separation of church & state. For those die hard anti-Muslims, have you considered that some of the biggest crimes in history have been perpetrated by Christians? Timothy McVie was a Christian but I don't remember any religious backlash when he brought down the building in OK City (the deadliest terrorist attack in America prior to 9-11).

Consider this hypocrisy-- While the press was engaged in its' Jeremiah Wright frenzy, we had Mitt Romney still in the race. A proud member of the Mormons. Oh yeah... Mormons didn't even allow Blacks to join their faith until a decade ago. I can't go to heaven simply because I'm Black. As a lifelong Mormon, surely Mitt also believed that I wasn't worthy of salvation. What does that make him think of me as a human being? I don't remember anyone complaining about this or any editorials, etc.

To wrap this up-- if you are anti-Obama please be so because you don't agree with his policy stance. Let it be because you want to stay in Iraq and don't want universal healthcare. Don't let it be simply because his skin is darker than yours. Be smarter than that. That's just lame.

Posted by: Inkognegro | September 14, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I can't wait for Obama to get elected. Since there will have to be an increase in payroll taxes for Social Security, Medicare, universal healthcare, all those employed will have to pay much more. I won't have to pay a dime since I will be retired in a few years. I'll be living in a house that I own outright, while the rest of you pay $8 or more for gas, pay your high rent, and ever increasing payroll taxes. In addition, Obama wants to eliminate Federal income taxes for seniors who make less than $50,000 a year.

To all you young, employed Obama supporters who will be working until you're at least 70 or more, I want to thank you, in advance, for paying exorbitant taxes to fund my early retirement. Go Obama!


Posted by: Dodgers1 | September 14, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 9:55 PM

explain the full context of the lipstick on a pig comment. when you add in the second half where obama says "old fish" and "8 years" hes refering to the false comprehension that mccain palin will be a 3rd term of bush. he directly refers to an old fish and 8 years making direct reference to mccain, how can u claim he is not also referencing palin?

veiled insults are the staple of the democratic party. they use them so that they dont have to stand by anything they say.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain could start WWIII if he have a pow flashback

Posted by: ugly sam | September 14, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Hispana: You're not making any sense. Isn't Palin who is the new kid on the block. The media have picking at Obama's past for more than a year. He has nothing to hide. McCain is also saying he's a reformer and an agent of change.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 9:38 PM
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Now you just confirmed to me that you are either in trance or one of those incredibly gullible to believe that the media has done any serious reporting on Obama other than Fox News. Obama has a paper thin resume on actual significant accomplishments and McCain has a record that cannot be disputed because it is obvious. So, what is the Media going to do to look into Obama's past and his quite strange connections? A dismissal of Rev. Wright, Rezco, Ayers is not enough!!! And what about his acquaintances with some mysterious individuals who helped him finance his education? Any obligations that Obama has? Come on, where are the answers to these and many questions WE, the american people have? WE WANT ANSWERS!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Dale why did McCain vote against Leahy amendment 3292?

Posted by: brock101 | September 14, 2008 9:50 PM

for the same reason that he allows lobbyists to make their case.

its a presidents job to face responsibility and make good choices, not to ignore having to make a choice because SOME would abuse it.

war profiteering is something that honorable men have done, in order to save lives, (one example is oscar shindler). without such businesses to take the load our men would go into battle without valid equipment (eh rumsfeld), and risk thier lives even more than they already do.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Old man mccain have a bad memory, and that could be a bad thing
answering the phone at 3am or running out of depends on Air force one.

Posted by: Chitown | September 14, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Dale we need a foreign President. Anyone but Panama McCain

Posted by: Monkeyshine | September 14, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 9:46 PM wrote:
It is so sad when another totally biased reporter in this newspaper runs with an item totally distorting it and misrepresenting what Karl Rove said. He clearly mentioned that BOTH campaigns have gone a bit too far with the latest comments. And mentioned that Obama intentionally made the lipstick comment knowing the consequences so he started it all!!
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Rove's comment regarding Obama's reference to "lipstick on a pig" was simply wrong, as is yours. But then I failed mind-reading.

Obama was talking about an economic policy that was the same, yet is referred to as change. The policy is the pig, and lipstick refers to trying to dress it up differently to justify calling it something other than a pig (change). It is, however, still a pig regardless of label. Surely you get that, eh? You aren't really so stupid that you don't, are you?

I believe Rove isn't that stupid, just biased. What is your excuse?

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl are you so stuid do say anything else becauce you could say nothing to nobody go back where you came from but that is bad and know body want to know go to bed and stay out of people face

Posted by: et | September 14, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Dale: you are trying to make the case that the media is bias and we shouldn't put too much stock in what comes out of them. However, you're provide a link to soda head and the information there is from June. The story they did has been debunked. Why are continuing to argue a moot point? In addition, this site, based on the language used and the way Obama's middle name is highlighted, sounds like something right out of the Rush Limbaugh book. VERY BIASED media outlet.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Go check out vietnamvetsagainstmccain.com

Posted by: chica | September 14, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:49 PM

btw that was me

and because i know some idiot is gonna mince words, the correct terminology is "naturalized citizen" and obama is not one.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the moral police have no morals. Who would a thunk it?

"PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE IGNORANCE OF FACTCHECK SITES.

this shows that factcheck ignores as many facts as washington post in order to shed a false light on things.

the question is not if obama was born in the USA but whether he was born to TWO AMERICAN CITIZENS OF 10 YEARS OR LONGER.

mccain was not born in the us, he was born in panama, but is eligable for president because he was born to TWO AMERICAN CITIZENS OF 10 YEARS OR LONGER.

obama was not, his father was not an american citizen for 10 years. as such, he does not qualify under the law to be an american citizen, unless we alter the constitution.

hence the VALID lawsuit."

Posted by: Jeff | September 14, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Dale why did McCain vote against Leahy amendment 3292?

Posted by: brock101 | September 14, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Dale: this is old and bad news. Don't know who thinks they are suing Obama, but check it out for youself:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 9:41 PM

PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE IGNORANCE OF FACTCHECK SITES.

this shows that factcheck ignores as many facts as washington post in order to shed a false light on things.

the question is not if obama was born in the USA but whether he was born to TWO AMERICAN CITIZENS OF 10 YEARS OR LONGER.

mccain was not born in the us, he was born in panama, but is eligable for president because he was born to TWO AMERICAN CITIZENS OF 10 YEARS OR LONGER.

obama was not, his father was not an american citizen for 10 years. as such, he does not qualify under the law to be an american citizen, unless we alter the constitution.

hence the VALID lawsuit.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

I had assumed Rove was the author of the McCain campaign's lies.

Posted by: Juanito | September 14, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't want McCain to monopolize his time by holding all these town hall meetings based on McCain's schedule. He wants, correctly I believe, to set his own schedule for what he believes is appropriate for him to do where he needs to do it. That is no excuse to mischaracterize what Obama says! Bounds is an idiot to try to change the subject and not answer the question...as usual.

If Bounds wasn't a moron, and had any credibility, his silly, verbose retorts may have more significance. As it is, he is lint to be brushed off. Davis is no better. McCain deserves better representation, as do the American voters.

Posted by: michael4 | September 14, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Bob barr is going to help obama win.

Posted by: funnyfarm | September 14, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

It is so sad when another totally biased reporter in this newspaper runs with an item totally distorting it and misrepresenting what Karl Rove said. He clearly mentioned that BOTH campaigns have gone a bit too far with the latest comments. And mentioned that Obama intentionally made the lipstick comment knowing the consequences so he started it all!!

For anyone here to come and say that Obama has run a fair campaign I will need to give you the prize of naivete and stupidity. From the very inception of Obama's campaign Obama and Axelrod clearly knew that Racism was going to be an issue. They decided to put a front before the public and pretend that Obama was above the frey and from the first primaries and results in New Hampshire they began playing the RACE CARD to the hilt. Whenever something did not go their way, play the RACE CARD. This was a result of the experience gained in Obama's rise to power in Chicago where this was played along with deploying lawyers to examine every little aspect of his opponents.

They used the RACE CARD majorly against both President and Hillary Clinton. In addition they use Sexism as a tool against Hillary.

The Obama camp utilized every little trick that they could use with the Caucus process by deploying teams of surrogates to coerce and intimidate voters. So, he beat Hillary but not in a fair fashion.

Now they have deployed lawyers and reporters to Alaska to dig every kind of dirt and examine all of Sarah's personal business. I wonder why this is not done with all of the other candidates.

I DARE you Washington Post to have the GUTS and tell us what you are going to do about:

1)Obama's long standing connection to Rev. Wright and his black theology and how this is manifested in all of Obama's economic proposals. If you study his proposals you will see that it is mostly an exposition of a socialist agenda that intends to do ECONOMIC REDISTRIBUTION thus benefiting only a percentage of the population. Study this and see the economic disaster it will create affecting a great majority of small businesses and entrepeneurs who are the backbone in our country. Why don't you do a thorough analysis in actual numbers and do a contrast of Obama and McCain's proposals. Show us the actual figures!!!!

2)What is the real truth about Obama's long standing connections with Rezco, Bill Ayers, the Black Panthers and investigate who sponsored him during his years of attendance to Columbia University and Harvard. Dare look into his muslim financial backers who used invented names to not come to light. Who is currently financially backing him from muslim countries?

3)Investigate Obama's position on Israel and Palestine and how dangerous his policies could be affecting our relationship with Israel.

4)Since I am pretty sure that your reporters will not stop looking into Sarah Palin and all her family, I dare you look into every candidate and handle them all in the same fashion.What is good for one should be good for the other!!! Can you have the decency to do so? I bet that you would not have the integrity to do so. Why didn't you also report that Karl Rove himself just said this?

As you can see the polls have gotten very close with McCain surpassing in some. The states recent figures show McCain gaining. I listened on Friday to the Ron Smith radio show in WBAL of Baltimore and he invited several national pollsters who stated that they have found most polls handled by telephone calls to be incorrect and unreliable because a good number of the individuals doing the calls where young individuals under 30 and if they called another young individual the tendency is to say that they support Obama, when they might not. In these polls Obama seems to poll higher. So, they tested it by doing electronic polling and the results showed McCain having higher results than Obama. They attributed this perhaps to peer pressure. So, they are sharing this information and perhaps we would have some changes.

So, is your TABLOID wannabe journalism going to cease? We read your articles to laugh at them because they are not CREDIBLE and you insult the intelligence of the american people when you have articles like this TRASH!!!


SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON YOU!

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Tom | September 14, 2008 9:39 PM

you can use those sites if you wish, but they are also obviously bias, having "checked" using sources from WAPO and NYT as well as MSM to base thier "fact checking claims" on.

in a court of law, newspaper articles are not a valid means of evidence. in fact, jurors are kept from media coverage, because it is known to be bias and at times outrightly false.

also, heres a link to an article on obamas citizenship, which factcheck and other sites you mentioned refuse to question or factcheck.

http://www.sodahead.com/question/100015/

you shouldnt be so swayed by fact check sites.

try and actually use facts instead of reports. for example, did you know that a governor like sarah palin can only request money from the federal government, but cannot request earmarks, that is the job of a senator to choose how to obtain funding.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The average american male live to be? McCain is almost out of time. The far right wing palin end of day lunatics can't wait to vote.

Posted by: circus monkey | September 14, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Dale: this is old and bad news. Don't know who thinks they are suing Obama, but check it out for youself:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

LOL, oh yeah, that's not a frivolous lawsuit LOL. Can you say desperate?


"dale: where on earth did you see anything to indicate Obama is being sued? Please provide proof.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 9:28 PM

gimme a bit, but you can probably find it easily yourself, obama is being sued (i beleive in pennsylvania) for not having proof that he was born in america, which is required for the presidency (unless you beleive in an extremist (which obama has in hte past supported) interpretation of the constitution that suggests a person just has to be an american citizen, amongst other rights for people who are not american).

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 9:37 PM "

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious? If you look at any of the political fact checking websites, they are full of McCain fibs. Where have you been? Or are you one of the conspiracy theorists who believe that anything the media says is a lie?

Factcheck.org is a non-partisan group you can check them out here. No doubt you'll come up with some lie to explain the lies, but this stuff is public record and can be checked independently - power to you.
http://www.factcheck.org/

Even Fox news is acknowledging McCains lies. FOX NEWS!


"Posted by: Tom | September 14, 2008 9:25 PM

the point tom, is that obama wont even back up his insinuations that mccain is lying.

at least mccain has the cahones to stand by what he says and back it up with his mouth his mind his actions and his wallet.

obama hasnt even paid back the 150k that he said he would that he obtained from rezko.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:28 PM "

Posted by: Tom | September 14, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: circus monkey | September 14, 2008 9:34 PM

i voted for kerry :), try again :D.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Hispana: You're not making any sense. Isn't Palin who is the new kid on the block. The media have picking at Obama's past for more than a year. He has nothing to hide. McCain is also saying he's a reformer and an agent of change.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl

Obama is a smart guy that did not list his race when he applied for harvard law. He paid his on way thank you. Please tell me you know this

Posted by: brock101 | September 14, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

dale: where on earth did you see anything to indicate Obama is being sued? Please provide proof.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 9:28 PM

gimme a bit, but you can probably find it easily yourself, obama is being sued (i beleive in pennsylvania) for not having proof that he was born in america, which is required for the presidency (unless you beleive in an extremist (which obama has in hte past supported) interpretation of the constitution that suggests a person just has to be an american citizen, amongst other rights for people who are not american).

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Rove is distancing himself fro McCain so as the Obama campaign people cannot directly implicate him to the McCain campaign. Its just smoke & mirrors. There is no doubt in my mind a deal was made with Bush that McCain would have the full support of GOP smear team. This McCain is completely different from the McCain that ran against Bush. He has indeed sold his soul to the devil. Voters have short memories. Politicians know that stuff they did as little as 2 years ago will not matter today. Most American voters are lazy & not interested & not very well informed. This would never happen in any other Western country. Fat & lazy.

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I rather think that the liberal Media is FAT and Lazy as you indicate above or have a hidden agenda by failing to fully investigate Obama. For a candidate with an almost non existent resume of major accomplishments, where is a decent reporter who can enlighten everyone ?
OBAMA IS AN UNKNOWN!!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

JEEZ! What does THIS tell ya?

Posted by: Donny | September 14, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

>>Circus monkey wrote: "We need a smart guy in the white house. 5 schools + 6 years= a freak with secrets. bottom of your naval class + a fleet commander dad = bad pilot"

Better than an affirmative action under-achiever who can't accomplish anything with his professional degree. Both McCain & Palin have accomplishments as people, outside of politics.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Dale is like this dude I met in 04 protesting Kerry at a VFW meeting 300 pound lying sack of fill in the blank.

Posted by: circus monkey | September 14, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 9:29 PM

speaking of which, a shout out to all the people, republican democrat or otherwise focused on revealing the truth in the only way possible.

you are one of the few i see daily making the case that the media is missing its mark, at the expense of no one but the public.

good job :).

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Change can be quite a destructive force if used by a unprepared agent. Remember that many nations and systems have been obliterated by agents of change that have brought evil and destruction. That is why we need to investigate fully who Obama is. The Media in this country is ultimately responsible for refusing to look at Obama's past and it is unacceptable that we have an UNKNOWN for a candidate this late in this election. The american public deserves better.

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

It was a glitch.

Posted by: katman | September 14, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

We need a smart guy in the white house.

5 schools + 6 years= a freak with secrets

bottom of your naval class + a fleet commander dad = bad pilot

Posted by: Circus monkey | September 14, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I think Rove is distancing himself fro McCain so as the Obama campaign people cannot directly implicate him to the McCain campaign. Its just smoke & mirrors. There is no doubt in my mind a deal was made with Bush that McCain would have the full support of GOP smear team. This McCain is completely different from the McCain that ran against Bush. He has indeed sold his soul to the devil. Voters have short memories. Politicians know that stuff they did as little as 2 years ago will not matter today. Most American voters are lazy & not interested & not very well informed. This would never happen in any other Western country. Fat & lazy.

Posted by: Joe C | September 14, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"It is so sad when another totally biased reporter in this newspaper runs with an item totally distorting it and misrepresenting what Karl Rove said. He clearly men tioned that BOTH campaigns have gone a bit too far with the latest comments. And mentioned that Obama intentionally made the lipstick comment knowing the consequences."

There is no longer any resemblance between how the media is covering the candidates & the election, and reality.

Maureen Dowd wrote up this whole rant today about how Sarah Palin's going to get us in a war with Russia over Georgia because she thinks it should be allowed to join NATO and then we'd have to protect it.

But Dowd, in her crazed rant, omits that all the candidate, including Obama & Biden, have the same policy positions.

After McCain wiped out Obama's convention bump in the polls last week, the media lost whatever self-monitoring it had. It's openly making stuff up and feeding pure crap to the public now.

Will probably be that way until the election, after which they will return to being full of spin & bias only 50 percent of the time.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

dale: where on earth did you see anything to indicate Obama is being sued? Please provide proof.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Tom | September 14, 2008 9:25 PM

the point tom, is that obama wont even back up his insinuations that mccain is lying.

at least mccain has the cahones to stand by what he says and back it up with his mouth his mind his actions and his wallet.

obama hasnt even paid back the 150k that he said he would that he obtained from rezko.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, the republiCons know who he should have selected. I see this post every day, give it up already.


"Clearly Obama let his arrogance and immaturity dictate who is running mate would be.
If he had better Judgment he would have chosen Hillary Clinton but his very big ego got in the way.Too bad!"

Posted by: Tom | September 14, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Frivolous lawsuits are a dime a dozen in America? Do you actually have a point?


"real simple question to the liberals who beleive that mccain has gone too far and obama hasnt.

why is obama being sued, but mccain isnt?

ya, bet u didnt even know obama was being sued. way to go on reporting WAPO.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 9:22 PM"

Posted by: Tom | September 14, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Obama let his arrogance and immaturity dictate who is running mate would be.
If he had better Judgment he would have chosen Hillary Clinton but his very big ego got in the way.Too bad!

Posted by: mimi362 | September 14, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

rmorrow: now see, that's what I'm talking about. Taking half of what someone says and using it against them. I started out my comment by pointing out that both sides are engaging in negative campaigns. McCain has gone overboard. Even republican strategists agree.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I remember the wispers about John Edwards EMA all the cons on the radio was saying how the enquire normally get it right. Now that Fake palin have some baggage in the tabloid the righties don't even go there

Posted by: Circus monkey | September 14, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

real simple question to the liberals who beleive that mccain has gone too far and obama hasnt.

why is obama being sued, but mccain isnt?

ya, bet u didnt even know obama was being sued. way to go on reporting WAPO.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

It is so sad when another totally biased reporter in this newspaper runs with an item totally distorting it and misrepresenting what Karl Rove said. He clearly men tioned that BOTH campaigns have gone a bit too far with the latest comments. And mentioned that Obama intentionally made the lipstick comment knowing the consequences.

For anyone here to come and say that Obama has run a fair campaign I will need to give you the prize of naivete and stupidity. From the very inception of Obama's campaign Obama and Axelrod clearly knew that Racism was going to be an issue. They decided to put a front before the public and pretend that Obama was above the frey and from the first primaries and results in New Hampshire they began playing the RACE CARD to the hilt. Whenever something did not go their way, play the RACE CARD. This was a result of the experience gained in Obama's rise to power in Chicago where this was played along with deploying lawyers to examine every little aspect of his opponents.

They used the RACE CARD majorly against both President and Hillary Clinton. In addition they use Sexism as a tool against Hillary.

The Obama camp utilized every little trick that they could use with the Caucus process by deploying teams of surrogates to coerce and intimidate voters. So, he beat Hillary but not in a fair fashion.

Now they have deployed lawyers and reporters to Alaska to dig every kind of dirt and examine all of Sarah's personal business. I wonder why this is not done with all of the other candidates.

I DARE you Washington Post to have the GUTS and tell us what you are going to do about:

1)Obama's long standing connection to Rev. Wright and his black theology and how this is manifested in all of Obama's economic proposals. If you study his proposals you will see that it is mostly an exposition of a socialist agenda that intends to do ECONOMIC REDISTRIBUTION thus benefiting only a percentage of the population. Study this and see the economic disaster it will create affecting a great majority of small businesses and entrepeneurs who are the backbone in our country. Why don't you do a thorough analysis in actual numbers and do a contrast of Obama and McCain's proposals. Show us the actual figures!!!!

2)What is the real truth about Obama's long standing connections with Rezco, Bill Ayers, the Black Panthers and investigate who sponsored him during his years of attendance to Columbia University and Harvard. Dare look into his muslim financial backers who used invented names to not come to light. Who is currently financially backing him from muslim countries?

3)Investigate Obama's position on Israel and Palestine and how dangerous his policies could be affecting our relationship with Israel.

4)Since I am pretty sure that your reporters will not stop looking into Sarah Palin and all her family, I dare you look into every candidate and handle them all in the same fashion.What is good for one should be good for the other!!! Can you have the decency to do so? I bet that you would not have the integrity to do so. Why didn't you also report that Karl Rove himself just said this?

As you can see the polls have gotten very close with McCain surpassing in some. The states recent figures show McCain gaining. I listened on Friday to the Ron Smith radio show in WBAL of Baltimore and he invited several national pollsters who stated that they have found most polls handled by telephone calls to be incorrect and unreliable because a good number of the individuals doing the calls where young individuals under 30 and if they called another young individual the tendency is to say that they support Obama, when they might not. In these polls Obama seems to poll higher. So, they tested it by doing electronic polling and the results showed McCain having higher results than Obama. They attributed this perhaps to peer pressure. So, they are sharing this information and perhaps we would have some changes.

So, is your TABLOID wannabe journalism going to cease? We read your articles to laugh at them because they are not CREDIBLE and you insult the intelligence of the american people when you have articles like this TRASH!!!


SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON YOU!

Posted by: Hispana | September 14, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dresser | September 14, 2008 9:09 PM

obama was not raised by the people who bore him, he was raised by elitists.

mccain was raised by elitists who held a beleif that risking your life was worth it for your country.

difference is that blue bloods are not defined by thier LEVEL of income, but by what they do with it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a selfish man. He will say, and do anything to get elected. He was an honorable man in 2000, but karl rove took him out with racist tactics. Now he has become what he hate. Someone ask me how could he change so quickly? I don't know but its sad.

Posted by: Circus monkey | September 14, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"Isn't it convenient for McCain's campaign to engage in the lowest form of attacks and then republican leadership turns around to say both sides are over-stepping boundaries."

And Obama is not doing the same thing? Please spare us the hypocrisy.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"LOL, you repugs like to resort to name calling. Is that really the best you can come up with?

Posted by: Kerry"

Do you notice that you are calling names in the very sentence in which you complain about name calling?

Do you lack any self-awareness or does your hypocrisy come honestly?

Also, do you not see the name calling from liberals? Or does name calling just bother you when someone else does it?

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes, both campaigns have engaged in stretching the truth about records, however, McCain has gone way overboard. Isn't it convenient for McCain's campaign to engage in the lowest form of attacks and then republican leadership turns around to say both sides are over-stepping boundaries. That's quite a strategy. Sounds like something right out the Karl Rove book of tricks -- oh yeah, it's Karl Rove calling it out!. He is a "tricky" one. Planning, as someone suggested recently, six steps ahead of the game. Then acts as if he's a bystander.

Posted by: PleaseChange | September 14, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

LOL, you repugs like to resort to name calling. Is that really the best you can come up with?

Posted by: Kerry | September 14, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: true blue American girl | September 14, 2008 8:34 PM

if obama had the foresight to talk about issues, he would have engaged in town hall meetings, but he is too blue blood to comprehend that your choices make your reality.

"true blue," you are indeed an idiot. Let me see, Obama was born to a lower middle class family raised by one parent. Mmmm, let's see, McCain went to the naval academy, his dad an admiral, and married a millionaire heiress, who was born into the wealth. Please explain your "blue blood" definition.

Posted by: dresser | September 14, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

The Obama camp is obsessed with pigs. Aren't pigs unclean, despised creatures in the Muslim religion?

Posted by: AsperGirl
----

Yes, as they also are in the Jewish religion. What's your point?

We'll soon have a counterpart to Godwin's law - first one to bring up "Muslim" to denounce someone has lost the argument.

Posted by: hitpoints | September 14, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama has always been focused on issues. I am not sure how you make the town hall = issues link.

Town hall meetings have so far been McCain's forte, why would Obama cater to him?

What if Obama was saying that the only reason he was attacking was because McCain wouldn't agree to make joint stadium appearances?

McCain is just trying to divert blame for his own negative attacks.

I think the debates will sort a lot of this out.


"if obama had the foresight to talk about issues, he would have engaged in town hall meetings, but he is too blue blood to comprehend that your choices make your reality.

he did nothing in the senate, and nothing great happened he did nothing in the community and nothing great happened you would think he would learn."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:51 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Whether or not Obama agreed to a series of town hall meetings with McCain does not excuse the many false, misleading statements made by the McCain-Palin ticket and their frantic attempts to avoid addressing the issues facing the American people at this difficult time. The whining by McCain about not agreeing to those meetings from McCain is a crock coming from someone who survived being a POW. Nobody forced McCain to run those commercials. The honor that John McCain earned in years past is gone. The John McCain of 2000 would not vote for the John McCain of 2008. John McCain himself is responsible for that.

Posted by: John S., Alamo, California | September 14, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Schmit and Rove campaign ads scare everyone because they are branding the Media as “Piranhas!”, Democrats are “Wolves” and talented Artists are just lite “Celebrities” without talent and their voice doesn't count. Schmidt and Rove have branded Palin as their Barracuda and Pit Bull.

Now Schmit and Rove are attempting to play the victim when ever the Democrat's response or the mainstream media starts asking the questions that are on the minds of the voters.

This will be the election that will be studied by historians. How did they do it? They took out everyone with negative ads and then created their own celebrity who is running on a open playing field now. Barracuda and Pit Bull running down field carrying the football. Can a goldfish stop them. I'm checking out a video - Trained Goldfish Performs Amazing Tricks!!. Can all talking dogs stop them? I look at the video -Talking Dogs. This election may decided by a gold fish and all talking dogs taking on Schmidt and Rove's Barracuda and Pit Bull. I have faith in the gold fish who says “No worries Team. Everything is going to be all right!” Our Goldfish runs onto the playing field to take on Schmidt and Rove's Barracuda. A determined mutt joins our gold fish to take on Schmidt and Rove's Pit Bull.

Over 70 retired generals and admirals have endorsed Obama/Biden '08

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Posted by: Cooday | September 14, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Sure, no town hall debates...

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 at Belmont University's Curb Event Center in Nashville, Tennessee,[6] moderated by Tom Brokaw, special correspondent (and former evening news anchor) for NBC News. This debate will have a town-hall meeting format.

Posted by: Kevin | September 14, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

The Obama camp doesn't have to "portray the McCain campaign as dishonest,"

McCain's incessant lying is doing that job for them.

Posted by: jds | September 14, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama will be prez, but all the wannabe neo con limbaughs
will wonder how a brother from another mother became prez without the corporate media blessings.

Posted by: brock101 | September 14, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: true blue American girl | September 14, 2008 8:34 PM

if obama had the foresight to talk about issues, he would have engaged in town hall meetings, but he is too blue blood to comprehend that your choices make your reality.

he did nothing in the senate, and nothing great happened he did nothing in the community and nothing great happened you would think he would learn.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

What's with the "If he had agreed to the town hall meetings ... " mantra. Sounds like a scorned lover instead of a presidential candidate. I have heard this line five times this weekend. So if Obama had agreed to town hall meetings, none of this crap would have been out?

If he hadn't been showboating, may he could have avoided being a POW. Maybe his dumb actions caused him to get shot down. After all he did destroy of couple of planes while not in combat.

No ideas except the ones he stole from the Obama campaign even down to showing up at the convention after his VP pick made her speech. Why is he always mirroring Obama? Because have no ideas.

The only consistent idea republicans seem to have is the idea that democrats will raise your taxes. Every election comes down to the same waring 'He will raise your taxes, he will raise your taxes, he will raise your taxes. Meantime, we owe so much to china and our budget is in deficit - who wouldn't raise taxes. Don't beleive for a minute McCain won't.

Posted by: gg | September 14, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Basically, what Rove is doing is trying to create distance between McCain and the current administration which is very unpopular. He isn't stupid. By doing this he is trying to rally back GOPS that are disenfranchised to lean towards the McSame camp by making McSame appear unattached. While at the same time offering lips service for change. Pretty sly and a lot of sheep will most likely follow. Though not enough to make a difference.

Posted by: MJO | September 14, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: true blue American girl :
Who is this AsperGirl?

see http://blog.pumapac.org/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

You people are so negative. You think the arrogant person is the one who gave up everything to help those who couldn't help themselves. If McCain hadn't been shot down he would just have been another hot-headed flyboy. And now instead of using his fame for good, is launching a campain of distortions, half-truths and lies. He has taken American polotics to a new low. He has voted with W 90% of the timea and dosn't even have the creativity to come up with his own campain theme.

The irony, is unless you are rich, which you may be, you are voting against you own intrests. In the name of what?


"Frankly, I can't wait until November 4th when Obama gives his I LOST speech. Let him read that from the teleprompter!How smug do you think he will be then?
Do you think he will delver it from the mountain tops?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:33 PM "

Posted by: Tom | September 14, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

NEVER,NEVER,NEVER trust anything that Rove says.He is a snake and he can only be up to no good!!!!Since when does he have a conscience?He is behind the campaigning for McCain.I truly think that if he says something like that in hopes it will make Obama's campaign to back off on McCain.Look at the dirty campaigns he ran for Bush!HE IS A DEVIL IN SHEEPS SKIN!!!!

Posted by: gail | September 14, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: true blue American girl :
Who is this AsperGirl?
________________
Don't give her any attention. She is about 12 years old and she craves attention. Stay clear and try not to provoke her. Very unstable. I am truly embarrassed of my party supporting Paylin/McSame. It is evident we will lose. Though, this time around I welcome it.

Posted by: Sickened GOP | September 14, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

NEVER,NEVER,NEVER trust anything that Rove says.He is a snake and he can only be up to no good!!!!Since when does he have a conscience?He is behind the campaigning for McCain.I truly think that if he says something like that in hopes it will make Obama's campaign to back off on McCain.Look at the dirty campaigns he ran for Bush!HE IS A DEVIL IN SHEEPS SKIN!!!!

Posted by: gail | September 14, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Who is this AsperGirl? She is a tool....lying about a war hero or believing the lies promulgated by a bunch of partisen idiots who knew nothing about Kerry? Shame on them and shame on her!

Obama has been trying to run a clean campaign on the issues but as McCain is trying to out Rove Rove in the slime department (and succeeding!), he is being forced to fight the lies put forth by tools such as aspergirl. Get a life.

Posted by: true blue American girl | September 14, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Like aspergirl says, donate to the AIP a group the Palin's are firmly behind.

http://www.akip.org/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I can't wait until November 4th when Obama gives his I LOST speech. Let him read that from the teleprompter!How smug do you think he will be then?
Do you think he will delver it from the mountain tops?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I think it was mccainnomore that said 2% there seems to be some variation based on how much oil is actually there, how much we can extract, etc.

Clean Coal and nuclear energy both have issues but may prove useful. I liken nuclear energy to the space shuttle, it is complex and unforgiving technology, at least how it has been done to date. There is a lot of hope for future gen nuclear plants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor

Pebble Bed, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor

I am probably more familiar with nuclear power than clean coal, having lived for 4 years within a few hundred feet of eight reactors.

Clean Coal seems to have potential in that we have the abundant supply, but so far lack the means to economically and environmentally make the use of it we could. The DOE pulled funding on the FutureGen this past January citing higher than expected costs. Personally I would have thought building this exploratory plant worthwhile.

I do agree with the idea of making people more personally responsible, even small things like CFLs, can make a significant difference.
I especially like the idea of being able to sell energy back to "the grid" if you are generating your own.

I actually think the higher cost of gas has had a positive impact in ways as public transporatation use, more efficient cars, etc are all on the rise.

It will be interesting to see, post Ike, how these patterns change if oil and gas prices decline.

Sorry for the bit of a ramble.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I can't wait for Obama to get elected. Since there will have to be an increase in payroll taxes for Social Security, Medicare, universal healthcare, all those employed will have to pay much more. I won't have to pay a dime since I will be retired in a few years. I'll be living in a house that I own outright, while the rest of you pay $8 or more for gas, pay your high rent, and ever increasing payroll taxes. In addition, Obama wants to eliminate Federal income taxes for seniors who make less than $50,000 a year.

To all you young, employed Obama supporters who will be working until you're at least 70 or more, I want to thank you, in advance, for paying exorbitant taxes to fund my early retirement. Go Obama!

Posted by: Dodgers1 | September 14, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

>>Tomhere wrote: ""Karl, Let's get together. I've got a fist I want to shove down your throat, you porcine SOB."

"porcine"?

The Obama camp is obsessed with pigs.

Aren't pigs unclean, despised creatures in the Muslim religion?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Huhhh??? The Republicans allege that Obama is guilty of sleazy campaigning? Haa! Good belly laugh here. Perhaps with the sole exception of the pig with lipstick remark, which can be construed several ways, Senator Obama has to be the most mature, postive presidential campaigner I've ever seen in my 68 years. He seems very presidential. Mccain seems very desperate. Karl Rove is trying to cover his rear in order to keep getting smear campaign gigs in the future.

Posted by: Ron Sampson | September 14, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Please donate to a group that will be running advertisements against the Obama campaign on topics that the McCain campaign will not touch, and counterattack against the systematic media campaign to misrepresent Sarah Palin:

The American Issues Project
http://www.americanissuesproject.org/

The American Issues Project was started by some of the people who supported the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that deflated the campaign hype around some of John Kerry's Vietnam War medals. If you recall, it turned out Kerry had been awarded some of his medals for frivolous reasons or for doing things other men who served with him were doing every day, including his campaign-hyped medal for "heroism".

Similarly, the media has been attacking Sarah Palin on her religion and sexuality and family, after declaring those topics "off limits" for Barack Obama! These areas: religion, family history and governance record, have all been declared off-limits when criticizing Barack Obama, as we all know. But the media is not only attacking Palin there, but lying while at it.

Please donate to the American Issues Project, which is more free to defend the McCain-Palin ticket in kind, to counterattack the misrepresentations and distortions of Sarah Palin's religion, family and governance history that are being misreported by the media and advertised by the Obama campaign.

Help "swiftboat" the rafts of lies that the American media and the Obama camp are floating this year about Sarah Palin.

Donate to: American Issues Project
www.americanissuesproject.org/

Also you can donate to the RNC at:
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Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

When the Prince of Darkness himself says that McCain has out-sleezed anything dreamed up by the Bush campaigns, you know that we're dealing with the ultimate mud-slinger.

I've been saying for months that the GOP has for years taken a very Machiavellian approach to all areas of politics. McCain and Palin claim to be candidates of change, but actions speak louder than words. From the beginning, it has been business as usual. They are all about morality, but care nothing about ethics.

Gutter politics is SOP for the GOP.

Posted by: labman57 | September 14, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

You can put all the lipstick you want on Dick Cheney, but he and his policies are still failures and bad for Americans.

The only way to reform the government is to stop sending the same incompetent and dishonest social conservatives like Palin that have been running congress since 1994 and have been running the white house.

It is people like Karl Rove and Sarah Palin who have brought us a huge budget deficit, a housing crises and bank failures, dead americans in iraq, dead iraqis in iraq, failed to secure the borders, failed to deal with immigration reform, failed to dismantle al qaeda, and are failing in the war in afghanistan.

The surge was necessary because Bush and the palins running the DOD ailed to put enough troops into Iraq to accomplish their misguide, poorly defined and endless shifting "mission" in Iraq. Osama bin Laden was or still is in Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan. When Bush and other idiots and liers like Palin decided to invade Iraq they lied to the american people. The war was unnecessary and is waste of american money and iraqi lives.

The only way to get the US back on a rational track is to clear house and kick out clowns like Bush, Rove, and Palin.

If Palin loves Iraqis so much to send more americans their to die then let us see her invite some iraqi refugees to come live in alaska.

People like Palin and Bush do not even care about Iraqi people they are lost in some fantasy about a crusade and the second coming. Enough is enough!. Sadly McCain has chosen to put politics before country and selected a rish limbaugh certified clown.

Posted by: del3 | September 14, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

URMom wrote: "We should have let the South secede - then we wouldn't have to deal with this BS".

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You want us to believe that you're open minded, and liberal. By voting for Obama you can show the world that you believe in diversity and inclusion. The fact is that most African-Americans live in the South.
You probably live in an "all white, progressive neighborhood". This is nothing more than liberal hypocracy. If the South secedes from the Union, then you can get rid of all those pesky African-Americans while you live in your all white fantasy world.

Posted by: Elizabeth | September 14, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 7:55 PM

the only problem is that neither side has really hit dishonesty, in this election...

i think the problem is this election has become a racial test, as whoopie goldberg said "do u want me to be a slave again?". i think its been clearly outlined that theres alot of historic tension involved this year.

i would expect this to get dirtier before it gets cleaner.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"Karl,
Let's get together. I've got a fist I want to shove down your throat, you porcine SOB.
Posted by: Tomhere | September 14, 2008 7:58 PM"


Ooohhh! Anonymous tough guy warning!!!

LOL. You are a joke. Ever threaten anyone to their face, tough guy? You make me laugh. Only a pathetic loser who has never been in a fight in his life would make such a lame statement. Besides, Rove would kick the crap out of your pimply never-kissed-a-girl ass.

Posted by: sross | September 14, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Poor Rove. McCain won't let him be involved in his campaign so he will try to destroy. He is ancient history to the GOP now.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

"The Obama campaign has been in overdrive recently in an attempt to portray the McCain campaign as dishonest, this morning releasing a lengthy memo outlining media stories that have called into question some of McCain's comments on Palin."

The Obama campaign doesn't have to convince me that the McCain camp lies and distorts the truth.

Posted by: McCain camp lies | September 14, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Lipstick?

I guess Barry was confusing his analogies.

As Vice President Palin already pointed out;

Lipstick,

is the only difference between a "Hockey Mom",

and a Pit-Bull! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT-The | September 14, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Karl,
Let's get together. I've got a fist I want to shove down your throat, you porcine SOB.

Posted by: Tomhere | September 14, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

LOL. I saw the interview and Rove clearly criticized both sides equally. The fact that the Obama campaign is distorting his words to demonstrate how their words have been distorted is laughable.

Both sides are equally dishonest. The only people who don't think so are mindless partisans.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Well Anon,

I guess I stand CORRECTED!

There is more to the figures, than the list reveals, but it seems some Oil Conglomerates are doing quite too well!

A request was made to NATIONALIZE all future Oil Ventures though, so I am not exactly one of their best friends!

LOL! Look at General Motors and Sprint-Nextel!

Sprint LOST nearly as much as they trans-acted! :-(

Guess Guys going around in Trench Coats was NOT a good Idea!

Wish I could remember where I had heard about Coca-Cola's, or Pepsi's profits being larger. I had been informed of it, was surprised, but unfortunately did not record it for future reference.

As such, I will concede that your link, puts me straight!

Congrats! I do not usually get corrected! Hopefully, someone else saw the source of my miss-information and save my dignity! :-I

Posted by: RAT-The | September 14, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain - Please do get upset because the lies are being revealed.

NATIONAL ENQUIRE is currently working on a story about "Palin's" lies as being the grandmother of "Trig".

Stop with the Lies and cover up….. Please invite the media and the public to the children's wedding… oh I forgot she just had a miscarriage. Dang! More lies Grandmother Palin of 2

Posted by: desrem02 | September 14, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain in his quest for power has become a soldier of Dishonor.

Posted by: yesitis | September 14, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I think it's pretty funny that McCain is pretty much saying that the only way he could be honest is to have Obama at his side in townhalls.
The choice is clear... McCain-Palin 4 more years of death and destruction... or Obama/Biden 4 more years of perhaps slightly less death and destruction.

Posted by: guitaristo | September 14, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Preview your Comment


I am so tired of all the mudslinging. I haven't made my mind up yet about who to wote for. I just want ONE candidate to respond to these questions......You had the opportunity to CHANGE Washington when you were elected to your national seat. How did you vote on your own pay raise? I didn't get a say on my last one.... What bills have YOU introduced to change Washington? You actually have more of an opportunity to change things from the inside rather from the outside.....

Posted by: We need a revolution | September 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

The GOP may be forever known as the party of liars. Look at what we've already been through! For the last 8 years, the American people have been the last to know. It's sad to see McCain go down this road. I expected something better from him. He doesn't respect this country enough to be honest. It's the win at any cost "You're either with us or you're against us" Bush mentality. More of the same....if not worse.


Posted by: Andrea | September 14, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Not according to the Fortune 500...

#1 Wal-Mart
#2 Exxon
#3 Chevron
#5 Conoco

#59 Pepsi
#83 Coca-Cola

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2008/full_list/

"Exxon Mobile posted a PROFIT!!!!!

WAAaaaaAAAAAHHhhhhHHHHHH!!!

FYI;

Coca-Cola posted a MUCH larger one!

Pepsi too! ;~)"
Posted by: RAT-The | September 14, 2008 7:16 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

If you read carefully, Carl Rove is NOT on Obama's side, this is once again a "cleverly" written article that over states and gives the read "the sense" that Rove is backing Obama and is against McCain.

It's simply NOT true.

READ IT AGAIN!

The Media is Compromised...

Posted by: Not a Pawn to this Article! | September 14, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 7:02 PM

so we shouldnt hope that our children are dying for a good cause?

btw, i love where you get your information, it was first 3% and now 2%, it couldnt matter either way, when drilling began offshore prices of oil stayed low for a while, as demand rose so did price, because american supplies did not meet the consumption.

now as consumption is being forced to slow to a crawl, it is a chance we should grasp to get us through 10 years of potential turmoil, with reasonable fuel costs.

not only would it stimulate the economy and keep money in america, it would keep prices at a relative degree of anti-inflation.

ONLY in this way, can the american public even try to reach independence from oil. otherwise you are looking at investing at least 200 trillion dollars in foreign made solar panels (which would take years to make) and would only supply around 30% of our energy, still leaving us mostly dependant upon oil. or any other alternative that is just as capable but costs just as much.

germany figured it out, give incentives to teh public to invest thier own money in alternative sources by maintaining a cost value for certain energy sources for the next 20 years. now without government forcing 1/3rd of germanys energy is solar.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain no more said "SF Mike, you've really been hitting the Kool Aid hard, red I imagine."

You know, you can always tell when a liberal has lost an argument -because the resort to ad hominum attacks.

Give it up bud, you lose. Cheers all. It's a great day to be a Republican.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

OMG!

Exxon Mobile posted a PROFIT!!!!!

WAAaaaaAAAAAHHhhhhHHHHHH!!!

FYI;

Coca-Cola posted a MUCH larger one!

Pepsi too! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | September 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain no more - if you broaden your mind to encompass fossil fuels, the America has the WORLD'S LARGEST RESERVES. The Dems have put up so many regulations and roadblocks about using coal, even clean coal, that it is just trapped in the ground. Coal can be converted to clean natural gas, for example, but you Dems keep shouting NO NO NO like little children in a tantrum. Sheesh. Quit with the misinformation.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

castanea - thank you for proving my point. Try imagining America with no businesses, because they have all left due to punitive liberal policies. We would look like Albania, which may be the ultimate goal of some of you liberals. You clearly have no idea of economics. Here's a hint - the corporations that fuel America's economy are NOT the enemy. Sheesh!

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

The Year-1998.

The Site-1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Planted Stooge Timothy Guithner introduces two future bed-mates:

"Not-too Slick Willie, meet my backers, and future Bosses, the Wall Street Bankers!

Wall Street Bankers, meet your get into the Fed Free connection, Not-Too Slick(And not too cheap either!) Willie Clinton!"

And the rest has been a very bad dream for the World Housing Market and the World's "Working Class" and their dreams of HOME ownership.

Houses, became Ponzi Scheme Pieces in a Nightmare from Hell!

Why, are Sub-Prime loans arranged to only pay interest for the first two Years?

Because to take advantage of the new(Then) Capital Gains Waiver, the Ponzi-Scheme piece had to be "Flipped" by then! :-(

Thank God Novakula was allowed to edify so many of us for so many years! HE, informed me, about the Timothy Guithner/ Wall Street/ Clinton SCAM!

Thank You for your work Mr. Novak! :-)

Posted by: SAINT-The | September 14, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Drill baby drill, Drill baby drill, Drill baby drill. You know who loves this cheer the most? OPEC. There is nothing they would like than to see us use our remaining supply, which amounts to only about 2% of world demand and wouldn't produce a drop for 10 years, instead of looking for real solutions.

In addition the state governors would have to allow it and I don't see any way that the Pacific coast or Atlantic North-West would allow drilling of their coasts. Schwarzeneger has already said no way, no how, are you drilling of California (and he's Republican).

More SMOKE-N-MIRRORS politics.

Posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Here is the whole Palin God/war quote...

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

We ARE on a mission from God. We're from Chicago.

The Democratic Party.

Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory.

Posted by: Blues Brothers | September 14, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign grows increasingly bizarre. Oh, yes, Karl Rove (who? says America) is on your side.

Just like God, per Don Fowler.

En Shallah. Obama will win. En Shallah.

As it is written in the DNC playbook.

We now have Rove on the team.

Weird. The DNC is just weird.

Posted by: Don Fowler's Spiritual Advisor | September 14, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse


Palins quote was "i pray we are on a mission from god". too hope that troops are doing the right thing is something you should honor, not mutilate and use as slander.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 6:57 PM

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That makes me feel a lot better. I can't imagine Islamic Fundamentalists every saying a prayer like that? Oh,well maybe I can!

I also can't imagine that they would ever use that quote to mislead anyone, Oh again, well maybe I can!


Posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

dale, did you miss the point that the 3 to cent savings would not even start for 10 years? You end up trying to bridge from the to then, not now to then.

Better to put those record oil profits into alternative energy sources, exploiting current drilling, and possibly judicious expansion where extraction is especially inexpensive.

If drilling is such a good idea why are we not drilling everywhere we can currently?

Even if you consider all of ANWR and the other areas you may be talking 75 billion barrels, by 2030 the estimated global use per day is expected to be 120 million barrels, meaning that all increased drilling would equate to 625 days worth of global consumption. If you assume a US consumption of 20 million barrels it is only a US supply of 10.3 years, assuming we drilled and pumped every barrel.

The sooner we start working to break our addiction to oil the better.

"Of course, we’re going to need oil for many years, but instead of exalting that — with “drill, baby, drill” — why not throw all our energy into innovating a whole new industry of clean power with the mantra “invent, baby, invent?” That is what a party committed to “change” would really be doing. As they say in Texas: “If all you ever do is all you’ve ever done, then all you’ll ever get is all you ever got.”" -- Tom Friedman

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"you know you liberals really have to get over your hatred of the corporations that make America strong and provide jobs for millions of people. Quit demonizing them, and punitively taxing them and you might be ready to lead this country."

Typical rightwing idolatry. How do corporations make America "strong"? And any jobs they provide for millions of people aren't due to the corporations themselves, but to the fact that we American consumers are willing to buy their products.

So I guess corporations should be beholden to consumers.

Seriously, do rightwingers have any critical thinking skills at all, or are they merely parrots for the wealthy elite?

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

DALE you voted for bush just like you will vote for mccain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:56 PM

kerry and gore actually, bushes policys are fiscally liberal, and i vote on who will be capable of running the country.

a fiscal liberal policy only works when there is no inclusion of new policies such as universal health care or increased Medicare coverage. and that is almost never the case, its why i didnt vote for bush, and a major factor of why i wont vote for obama.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Neo cons, and broke limbaugh wannabes Vote for bob barr,

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

SF Mike, you've really been hitting the Kool Aid hard, red I imagine.

Posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 6:54 PM

im surprised at your misinformation, but palins quote was "i pray we are on a mission from god". too hope that troops are doing the right thing is something you should honor, not mutilate and use as slander.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

DALE you voted for bush just like you will vote for mccain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

For all the neo cons.

Vote for Bob Barr.

Donate to bobbarr2008.com because McCain is a sell out.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 6:43 PM

correction, bush did not embrace the trickle down theory of economics. he embraced the ideal of returning money to the people, so they could invest in the ecomony by buying excess items. however with such an economic downturn, people put it into rent and food. things already regularly bought and maintaining.

this is teh same policy as obama, if you would look closely, give tax cuts to only a certain area of the population, allow for more money to the lower areas of the economic ladder who will not use the money for anything but the normal things they would be buying because htey are already unable to afford food.

the policy of mccain however is the only different concept in economics to come past the desk in years. it suggests budgeting in the government while lowering taxes for the sake of economy. instead of adding money that he will just tax away, mccain suggests leaving money in the hands of the worker. not only does this provide incentive to spend, but the ability to spend it on things that bolster economy.

so anyone who values economic principles will understand that bushes policys on the economy most closely resemble obamas, and not mccains.

its your choice, but bushes spending policys are rivaled only by democrats. i didnt vote for him in previous elections because of that. i saw him as a fiscal liberal, and no one wants a fiscal liberal in charge of thier pocket books.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who finds this scary?

In an internet age, when the world can view him (on YouTube), McCAIN sings BOMB, BOMB, BOMB; BOMB, BOMB Iran, and worse. Mrs. PALEN say's (again on YouTube) "Iraq is a mission from God". Not that they needed it, but this is a huge terrorist recruiting tool, which will become even bigger when they can link it to the president and VP (if they are elected).

Posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's primary advantage in the economy was taking advantage of 'The Peace Dividend' to draw down our military and cancel development of new weapons and supplies at the end of the Cold War (won, thanks to Reagan's policies).

Of course, although we had been under attack by Islamic radicals for most of Clinton's term, the threat was downplayed. As a result, we had a lot of catching up to do.

Bush's term included fighting two wars (that might have been avoided had Clinton the b*lls to actually capture bin Laden when he was offered him on a plate.

In spite of Clinton's gift of The Peace Dividend, the country was still sliding into a recession by the end of the Clinton Years.

In spite of Dem talking points, the country has enjoyed a period of economic expansion under Bush. The worst years have been the last two - during which time, control of Congress passed to the Dems. Now, the economy is really in danger.

Look at the economy of Dem-controlled states, such as Michigan, Massachusetts, California, and New York - the sickest states in the union.

We can't afford any more Dem control of anything to do with finances. Cheers.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

When a political party drives a nation into economic insolvency it is generally only a stupid population who vote them in again.
Politicians are like diapers, they need changing regularly, and for the exact same reason.
By the end of October, if not this week, you can expect a market crash of historic proportions - that should just about kill the incumbent party's chance of re-election, but, you never know, they actually re-elected Bush; look at the empty, foreclosed houses in your neighbourhood now.

Posted by: icurhuman2 | September 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Tucker Bounds is McCain’s official a ss licker

Posted by: riker | September 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN will probably win. As P.T.Barnham use to say "there is a sucker born every minute". Actually I think Barnham under estimates the actual number of suckers born.

McCAIN will fight, lie, cheat, and use typical GOP smoke-n-mirror tactics if that's what it takes. The entire population knows that the bridge to nowhere claims are falls, yet they keep on telling them. We all know that the governors jet was sold to a broker for a loss, but they keep saying it was sold on Ebay for a profit. We all know that the third smallest state in the country (by population) took the most ear-marks, yet we keep hearing that they are ear-mark reformers. We hear through McCAIN that Obama supports comprehensive sex education for kindergarteners, yet another lie. We hear that "most running mates do not have foriegn policy experience", yet in the last 32 years not one VP hopeful was without this experience. We hear that McCAIN will "reach accross the isle" yet he chooses a VP who is further right than BUSH/CHENEY and fires anyone who disagrees with her in favor of hiring high school friends, etc. etc. etc.

McCAIN L-O-V-E-S Smoke-n-mirrors and the politics of distraction because as his campaign manager said "this election will be about personalities and not the issues". Why? because on the issues McCAIN looses.

Fact: Democratic presidencies have out performed their republican counterparts over the last 100 years by a large margin.

Fact: Over the last 20 years (BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH) the Democratic President outperformed both Republican Presidents by a huge margin.

Fact: By his own admission McCAIN's economic policy is BUSH's policy. Add, as McCAIN Said "I don't really know much about economics", and it's a recipe for disaster.

Fact: John McCAIN was one of the nations biggest cheerleaders on the invasion of Iraq, tying Iraq to Al Qaeda and weapons of mass distruction. WRONG on both accounts.

Fact: In an internet age, when the world can view him, he sings BOMB, BOMB, BOMB; BOMB, BOMB Iran, and worse. Not that they needed it, but this is a huge terrorist recruiting tool, which will become even bigger when they can link it to the president (if he's elected).

"I am JOHN McCAIN and I approve this message (LIE)"

Posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

sfmike

The cons had control of the white house senate, and congress.
They had the power to drill. But you keep falling for the banana in the tail pipe.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Rove said In response to a question, Rove said McCain "has similarly gone one step too far, attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100 percent truth test."

Actually he meant, the 10% truth test, which is enough for a Republican. Fact is the amount of truth in these two ads was 0. We all know that.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | September 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

anonymous oil drilling expert,

that 4 cent price difference is great WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT ITS A CONSISTANT PRICE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS WHILE WE SWITCH TO ALTERNATIVE SOURCES.

we need a bridge for the gap between now and then, right now the only possible financial ability for energy conservation and alternative sources is hybrid technology which employs the use of oil.

that being said, oil is the wave of the future for the next 10 years NO MATTER WHAT. and should the nations oil be cut short for whatever reason it will lead to a depression.

right now we have to focus on two real things, stopping depression started by policies in the housing mortgage market initiated by clinton over 8 years ago (including the recent choice to simply allow foreclosure because people are so in debt). and secondly to begin slowly turning around an ecomony.

despite the desire for energy change, it will not happen in this presidency, because the economy is first, and without economical principles and growth energy conservation is something thats impossible.

i know democrats beleive that you can fund a new program while in a recession and still maintain the country, and sure you can, as long as your not afraid of doubling the national debt.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an old fool.

Rove tricked him again.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

If America is to continue to grow and prosper, we need to secure additional energy resources. The Dems have spent the last several decades blocking exploration, drilling, refining, anything nuclear, and putting roadblocks in the path of new technology such as coal gasification and oil from shale extraction. They have also opposed putting wind turbines off Nantucket, and now worry about large solar arrays in the middle of the desert.

Dem policies will take America towards second-class status in the world, which is where they seem to think we belong.

They call Americans stupid, but the vast majority of voters (now upwards of 70+ percent) realize we need better policies than this and we need especially to drill now.

Democrats are in thrall to many special interest groups, but their ties to enviro-fanatics is really becoming a major problem. Hint - polar bears are NOT an endangered species, especially in Alaska. Cheers.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

My taxes will go up if Obama wins. I am increadibly fortunate to be in the top 2-3% of income earners. So what? Who cares? I loose more money every day in this economy through 401K and other stocks; through falling house prices; through higher price for gasoline; through higher prices for just about every other commodity; than I will every loose through a little more income tax.

The trickle down theory that BUSH has embraced and now McCAIN, has not worked and most independent economists support Obama's plan.

Clinton inherited a defidit, then built it into the largest durplus in American history, only to see it evaporate and become the largest deficit in US history.

Meanwhile, while leaving our taxes low, we are mearly passing on our debt to future generations.

Posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

It's called planning for the future - something liberals know little about.


Tell that to the Polar Bears.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:25 PM

For your Edification;

Tomorrow, is National "Hug a Polar Bear" Day!

Go out and give one or two of those pretty things a Big Hug for me!

LOL!

Libbies, the Dingleberries of Politics! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | September 14, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Oomingmak | September 14, 2008 6:30 PM

thats the purpose of campaigning oomigmak, to find all the facts that fully convince YOU, and then taking those facts and showing them to other people.

YES people dont CHOOSE to process in the same way. and most people PREFER in elections to bypass all the partisan bickering by simply listening to the candidates stance on issues.

however when faced with undeniable evidence of foul play, they are forced to capitulate to an idea they wouldnt have found on thier own.

when faced with enough evidence to question something they beleive, a person (democrat independant or republican) feels a guilt associated with not finding more information to set themselves at ease. in the end, i think that its quite clear.

"you guys lie" vs "heres teh quote that the post butchered for liberal bias sake"

will win out when it comes to curiosity and killing (demo)c(r)ats.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The problem Aspergirl is that the increased drilling is a drop in the bucket and won't make any difference short term. If we are not even drilling everywhere we could currently why do you think opening up more areas will suddenly make us less vulnerable?

The problem is we have about 3% of the worlds oil supply, yet we consume about 24% of the worlds oil. Some of the estimates of the effects of increased drilling talk about a possible $.04-$.04 effect on gas prices.

As India and China become more industrialized more and more we will be bidding against them for oil and if our current economy continues that will be increasingly difficult.

Better now to maximize the open drilling areas, possible open some others that will allow cheaper extraction, but the real focus needs to be on non-oil energy.

America is like a drug addict when it comes to oil, as long as we can get a supply we will keep using, better to break the addiction before we have to go cold turkey because of no supply.

"I’ll tell you what they would have been doing: the Russian, Iranian and Venezuelan observers would have been up out of their seats, exchanging high-fives and joining in the chant louder than anyone in the hall — “Yes! Yes! Drill, America, drill!” — because an America that is focused first and foremost on drilling for oil is an America more focused on feeding its oil habit than kicking it." -- Tom Friedman

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

The big controversy over offshore drilling is not a big issue in the overall scheme of energy issues. Just as the Surge isn't a big factor in what will be a seven or 9 year Iraq War.

But they are being trumped up as huge issues. Deal breakers. Phoney arguments that totaally define every aspect of Obama.

Emotional and as described by the Republicans, very dramatic.

McAin is opposed to drilling in ANWR. This means the offsore drilling is an even smaller issue in total production.

And to be honest, if McCain becomes President we won't see any result from offshore drilling till 2 years after his 8 year presidency expires.

And he wants us in Iraq for years also.

Why not elect Obama and start working on all these problems now? I don't have the patience of some 72 year old guy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Politico-

Independents swing toward McCain


By JOHN P. AVLON | 9/14/08 1:30 PM EST

In an Ideas piece, Avlon says that independents will determine the election -- and they may be for McCain.

"Independent voters — the largest and fastest-growing segment of the American electorate — were always going to determine the winner of this election.

And in contrast to past contests like 2004, where independents viewed the choice between President Bush and Sen. John F. Kerry as a vote for the candidate they disliked least, independents had a dream campaign in ‘08: two compelling nominees who ran against the polarizing establishments of their own parties with explicitly post-partisan appeals. It was a year in which Karl Rove’s play-to-the-base politics seemed to be on the ash heap of history.

In the wake of Sarah Palin, John McCain has opened up a 15-point lead among independents, according to a new Gallup Poll — and Barack Obama has a real problem.

Since the GOP convention and his selection of the Alaska governor as his running mate, McCain has changed a months-long tie among independents into a 52 to 37 percent advantage. Support for McCain among self-described "conservative Democrats" has jumped 10 points, to 25 percent, signaling the shift among swing voters to McCain..."



Posted by: Scott | September 14, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

When zero-conscience Karl Rove says a Republican has gone "too far", it actually means that they have gone WAY too far.

Posted by: Translating | September 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Ahem,

Cough-COUGH!

Coal to Oil, needed a stable $40/ Barrel to justify the Expenses involved in Refining.

Why,

I mean WHY!, has not ONE single NEW Refinery of ANY type been begun?

Ohhhhh, Wait!

Spending money on a refinery would LOWER the cost of the Products produced!

How foolish of me! :-(

Nationalize all New Drilling and Production!

We seem to be the ONLY Country on this Planet that subjects it's own Citizens to the Oil Barren's mercy.

The US Oil supplies are OURS, and like Mexico, Britain, Sweden, Canada, and every other Country, should be used to help us!

LOL!

Bet McAmnesty and O'Bomba-Nation both, don't approve of that message! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT-The | September 14, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

will conservatives please stop linking domestic drilling with energy independence. It was Republicans that pushed us to a GLOBAL OIL MARKET, and now we see the results. any oil you drill now OR 20 years into the future will be put into a global market so the idea of a domestic supply literally doesn't exist. drill all you want. it's not staying here. it won't make you any more secure, you'll just ruin the landscape. You guys can't keep track of your own policies!

Posted by: mw | September 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

oomingmak - the polls would not support your contention. Independents and undecided are moving towards McCain-Palin already - check it out.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

commonsense - your disgusting comment to aspergirl just caused another 1000 voters to switch to McCain-Palin. Way to go. The Republican Party thanks you. Cheers.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

BUSH = GOP = McCAIN = GOP = CHENEY = GOP = PALEN = GOP, enough said?

Posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

SF Mike and Dale:

You make the mistake of thinking that centrist/swing voters receive and process information the same way that the Republican base does. But it doesn't work that way anymore. Good luck with your strategy.

Posted by: Oomingmak | September 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous - you know you liberals really have to get over your hatred of the corporations that make America strong and provide jobs for millions of people. Quit demonizing them, and punitively taxing them and you might be ready to lead this country. Cheers.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Obama, as he claims, CAN'T see what is wrong with his lipstick & fish stink comments, is worse than if he did see what is wrong with them and apologized.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 4:30 PM

Girl if that's the first place you go with "fish" and "lipstick" your pus$y must be a mess.

Posted by: Common Sense | September 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN will probably win. As P.T.Barnham use to say "there is a sucker born every minute". Actually I think Barnham under estimates the actual number of suckers born.

McCAIN will fight, lie, cheat, and use typical GOP smoke-n-mirror tactics if that's what it takes. The entire population knows that the bridge to nowhere claims are falls, yet they keep on telling them. We all know that the governors jet was sold to a broker for a loss, but they keep saying it was sold on Ebay for a profit. We all know that the third smallest state in the country (by population) took the most ear-marks, yet we keep hearing that they are ear-mark reformers. We hear through McCAIN that Obama supports comprehensive sex education for kindergarteners, yet another lie. We hear that "most running mates do not have foriegn policy experience", yet in the last 32 years not one VP hopeful was without this experience. We hear that McCAIN will "reach accross the isle" yet he chooses a VP who is further right than BUSH/CHENEY and fires anyone who disagrees with her in favor of hiring high school friends, etc. etc. etc.

McCAIN L-O-V-E-S Smoke-n-mirrors and the politics of distraction because as his campaign manager said "this election will be about personalities and not the issues". Why? because on the issues McCAIN looses.

Fact: Democratic presidencies have out performed their republican counterparts over the last 100 years by a large margin.

Fact: Over the last 20 years (BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH) the Democratic President outperformed both Republican Presidents by a huge margin.

Fact: By his own admission McCAIN's economic policy is BUSH's policy. Add, as McCAIN Said "I don't really know much about economics", and it's a recipe for disaster.

Fact: John McCAIN was one of the nations biggest cheerleaders on the invasion of Iraq, tying Iraq to Al Qaeda and weapons of mass distruction. WRONG on both accounts.

Fact: In an internet age, when the world can view him, he sings BOMB, BOMB, BOMB; BOMB, BOMB Iran, and worse. Not that they needed it, but this is a huge terrorist recruiting tool, which will become even bigger when they can link it to the president (if he's elected).

"I am JOHN McCAIN and I approve this message (LIE)"

Posted by: McCAIN NO MORE | September 14, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:19 PM

no bud, its called foresight, when you leave campaigns in charge, the campaign is only able to focus on what people poll information on, so their sight is limited, and they see spikes in polls when actions are met. as a result negative campaigns are the most positive flux on both sides.

mccain had the foresight to see this, and suggested town hall meetings, because in town hall discussions, the people have the control, and can be as misinformed or informed as they choose to be.

its the mark of a good president to have foresight in his actions, it is the mark of a bad president to shirk responsibility for the sake of saving face.

mccain has proven once again he is superior to obama through action.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain has had the Swift Boat Terrorist in his employ since Barack's victory in the primaries. As a navy veteran myself who once admired McCain, I think now that he is as two faced, disgraceful and dishonest a politician as we have seen in modern political history.

Posted by: str8up | September 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

It's called planning for the future - something liberals know little about.


Tell that to the Polar Bears.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Is this a Obama camp press release? That would explain the lack of objectivity and the lack of fact checking. It must be... because I usually see the Washington Post along with the NYT's, Newsweek, Time and Bloomberg and a few others making the same factual omissions....when post the latest Obama supplied talking points.

I am just curious...do you think...self thinking people don't go and check out exactly what was said and the context in which it was said and see how intellectually disingenuous the article is?

From much of what I have seen posted here at the WP blog...it is apparent Obama supports simply slurp the kool-aide without checking for themselves.

But then again it seems children are pretty gullible and apparently quite lazy when it comes to determining the truth about anything.

Posted by: dan | September 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:15 PM

your whole analysis is false, there is no option at this point aside from investing trillions upon trillions of dollars we dont have on foreign items.

the mccain campaign has actually started writing bills to fund programs that work on cheaper ways of harvesting non-fossil fuels.

the purpose, is a bridge, for the next 10 years whether we like it or not, we are still dependant upon fossil fuels, and if we allow that dependancy to be defined by the middle east (especially in times with ike and other hurricanes). we will be even more bankrupt as a nation by the time we eventually turn things around.

think of it as an addiction, a dependency must be weened off, look at the metric conversion attempt, it was too fast and americans couldnt take it. if we make that mistake with oil, we will be all the more dependent upon it in the future.

oomingmak,

"that has already been defined in the media as ludicrous." -this is why people are not voting for obama, the media does not define things, law, contract, constitution, dictionaries, and doctrine define things, and they prove the media wrong in this instance.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain knows Exxon can donate more money that I can ever dream of.

Therefore "Drill Now" is great for Exxon 10 years from now. But does nothing for me now.

Mavericks? Change? And monkeys can fly out of my butt.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

If anything is going to cost Nancy Pelosi control of the House, it is her absurd position against drilling. Vast majorities of Americans see the need for it - and see her as the biggest obstruction to moving America towards energy independence. Ditto for more nuclear energy, as well as oil from shale extraction, coal gasification, and renewable resources. As for the daft 10 years before we get any comment, just consider if Clinton hadn't vetoed drilling in Alaska in 1997, that oil would have been on-line by now. It's called planning for the future - something liberals know little about.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

>>"Who really benefits from drill baby drill?"

Our foreign oil supply can go away at any time.

What if our enemies take oil off the dollar standard? We can spiral into hyperinflation trying to buy $700 billion worth of foreign oil a year if no one wants dollars.

Most of our economic problems are indirectly caused by this huge amount of money we have to send abroad to buy oil every year, because we have to go into debt to underwrite the purchases and then the dollars have to come back to us in some fashion. So we are buying all this oil on credit and the sellers are coming back here and buying chunks of America with the money we send abroad.

The only thing stupider than partisan ideologues are the crowd of young and dumb, hatefilled, contemptuous, talking-point-spouting, smarter-than-thou culture in the Obama base this year.

If you want to go live in a commune where the people who work support the people who don't work and where you have no energy but live in a stone age village, go do that. Don't drag the rest of us down with you because you have been programmed with talking-points against drilling and nuclear power and you don't really understand what they mean.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

The McCain camp is insisting the campaign would not have gone negative had Obama agreed to the town hall meetings McCain insisted on.

So are they telling us they had the moral high ground to use a scorched policy against Obama for this?

How nice of them to shift responsibility and imply they had no choice.

Yes I want people with this kind of judgement running our country. Maybe they will have an opening for Gonzales to help guide them on how to skewer the laws into their favor too.

America First??? Whatever......

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"that has already been defined in the media as ludicrous" Here's a hint - most of the country despises the media and discounts everything it says. In fact, disparaging comments from the MSM are worn as a badge of honor by most conservatives. You should really try to understand your opposition. You might be able to make some cogent arguments then instead of piffle.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Who really benefits from drill baby drill?

Sure in about 10 years it could increase the supply of domestic oil, but even now the oil companies are not drilling everywhere they could. The people that stand to benefit the most are the oil companies and their supporters, especially in the short term. Is it any surprise that the republicans support this?

Great article by Tom Friedman...

"Why would Republicans, the party of business, want to focus our country on breathing life into a 19th-century technology — fossil fuels — rather than giving birth to a 21st-century technology — renewable energy? As I have argued before, it reminds me of someone who, on the eve of the I.T. revolution — on the eve of PCs and the Internet — is pounding the table for America to make more I.B.M. typewriters and carbon paper. “Typewriters, baby, typewriters.”"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14friedman.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign's tactics are going to turn out to have been a very serious mistake. He has killed his brand.

And trying to present the Obama campaign as having been equivalent with the lipstick comment isn't going to fly: that has already been defined in the media as ludicrous.

Analysis, not partisan comments.

Posted by: Oomingmak | September 14, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

actually bud that was obama who promised that, mccain said an issue campaign can only work via townhall meetings. because otherwise the campaigns run the election, and not the people.

but nice try twisting words and mincing facts. has anyone tried defending barack?

perhaps we should go to what really defends peoples stances...the polls, where mccain is leading, and has maintained a lead, and barack is falling across the board. i guess its too bad that flash dance tactics only work for a few days before people realize that fireworks are neat but dont make a president.

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Liberals - you've got nothing to offer America and nothing on John McCain or Sarah Palin. We all know it. Quit making fools of yourselves. Give it up already. Cheers.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone disputed the article and argued that McCain has run the honorable, issue-oriented campaign he promised? Didn't think so.

Posted by: GOPNoMore | September 14, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

heres the irony and idiocy of the democratic party at work in america.

they get a quote from the foremost expert on campaign sleaze (according to them) which states |obamas campaign is just as sleazy if not sleazier than mccains| and they beleive it helps thier case.

-golf clap-

Posted by: dale | September 14, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm actually going to cook tonight something from scratch.

Beef stew, with big chunks of carrots, onions & potatoes, and big potato dumplings, the Polish kind, except with some herbs and cheese inside.

The campaigns are going to get really nasty. Things are bound to get really nasty this year. Better to not get involved...

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

it's because of articles like this that I cancelled my subscription to the Post. I f I want to read liberal dribble I'll got to the Huffington Post

Posted by: oriana | September 14, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

McShame was absent on the vote for the Bridge to Nowhere and voted for researching the DNA of bears, yet these are two of his claims about being against ear-marking. Why? because they are easy to mock. More McCAIN GOP smoke-n-mirrors!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

McShame was absent on the vote for the Bridge to Nowhere and voted for researching the DNA of bears, yet these are two of his claims about being against ear-marking. Why? because they are easy to mock. More McCAIN GOP smoke-n-mirrors!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

McShame was absent on the vote for the Bridge to Nowhere and voted for researching the DNA of bears, yet these are two of his claims about being against ear-marking. Why? because they are easy to mock. More McCAIN GOP smoke-n-mirrors!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Laugh Out Loud!

Karl Rove acting like a Moral Compass, is as ridiculous as a Border Fence on a State whose Capital City(Austin), is a Sanctuary City!

Karl, needs to pick his Pasture, so he can be put out in it! ;~)

Palin might not be the Mittster, BUT, McAmnesty could have done much worse!

Poor Barry O'Bomba-Nation,

John McCain, was just Biden his Time! ;~)

Anyone else SICK of hearing Obasama's Peeps crying about anything anyone says in any sort of non-worshiping fashion about their Messiah?

Or, Barry's constant stream of re-statements?

Hope Joey got that VP thingy in writing! ;~)

LOL!

Posted by: RAT-The | September 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

A leader who can't even control his followers is not much of a leader. Sheesh!

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

here's a hint since hints are being bandied about: Americans are not about to elect four more years of Bush whose porky policies without lipstick have led us to economic disaster. Nor are they about to elect the feisty but wholly inexperienced mayor of Wasilla whose executive experience rises to the level of a dog catcher in a major metropolitan city like, say New York. That is lunacy. I'd hand out another hint about the rabid right handing out hints about zealous Democrats, but, well, the space here is limited.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | September 14, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Man are you liberals a bunch of blubbering idiots! You keep blinders on to Obama's dirty chicago contacts, his self admitted spiritual leaders who are nothing less than racist black separatist, his favorite vote of PRESENT in the senate.

I hope Obama wins so you can see what Marxism is all about!!

Posted by: Bill | September 14, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Right... General Obama can issue a statement that will make a couple of million free-speech aware Americans stop saying mean things about McCain and Palin... right.


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Anonymous - here's a hint. Your guy won't get elected by you insulting American voters. Your elitism is a big problem. Obama should have muzzled his rabid partisan supporters long ago. Every crass comment you guys make creates more votes for McCain-Palin. But, go ahead, keep it up. Maybe we will take back the House in this election as well. Cheers.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 5:51 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

A sexist would vote for McCAIN/PALEN, because this may be the most anti-female ticket in the history of the USA.

McCAIN publically called his wife a word I can't repeat. He told a joke about a women being raped that "she should just sit back and enjoy it".

PALEN's policies towards working women have been absolutely attrocious, vetoing several bills designed to make it easier for working moms to work.

Make no mistake about it, McCAIN's first choise was Liebermann. His second choice was Ridge. When Rush Limbaugh and others right of BUSH/CHENNEY said he couldn't have them because of their view on a women's right-to-choose, he reluctantly settled on Palen.

The feeling is of course mutual, Palen supported Ron Paul in the primaries and had a lot of really nice things to say about Romney. She didn't even mention McCAIN.

These two are stuck with each other. Palen said before becoming Governor that she wanted to be President. McCAIN has been trying to become President for a decade. They will probably both get their way.

If I was McCAIN and Palen serves the coffee I would make sure I spin the tray before taking my cup.

Posted by: McCain no more | September 14, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous - here's a hint. Your guy won't get elected by you insulting American voters. Your elitism is a big problem. Obama should have muzzled his rabid partisan supporters long ago. Every crass comment you guys make creates more votes for McCain-Palin. But, go ahead, keep it up. Maybe we will take back the House in this election as well. Cheers.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain no more - if everyone knows that Sarah Palin's credit for ending the bridge to nowhere is false, how come the Democratic Party of Alaska credited her with that on their web site - which they only took down AFTER she was appointed McCain's VP? I guess they didn't know - or you are overreaching and wrong. Thing is, all your BIG POINTS are trivial details and everybody knows it. On the other hand, your guy is a complete fraud - talk about smoke and mirrors - you could add halos, and columns and stagecraft. Sheesh! If that is the best you guys can come up with - it will be a blowout of an election for the R's.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I think its interesting that politicians will make speeches about the strength of the american people, but then count on the american people's stupidity and laziness when running campaigns. I guess its obvious, but still, just goes to show you, all politicians really care about it themselves.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN will probably win. As P.T.Barham use to say "there is a sucker born every minute". Actually I think Barnham under estimetes the actual number of suckers born.

McCAIN will fight, lie, cheat, and use typical GOP smoke-n-mirror tactics if that's what it takes. The entire population knows that the bridge to nowhere claims are falls, yet they keep on telling them. We all know that the governors jet was sold to a broker for a loss, but they keep saying it was sold on Ebay for a profit. We all know that the third smallest state in the country (by population) took the most ear-marks, yet we keep hearing that they are ear-mark reformers. We hear through McCAIN that Obama supports comprehensive sex education for kindergarteners, yet another lie. We hear that "most running mates do not have foriegn policy experience", yet in the last 32 years not one VP hopeful was without this experience. We hear that McCAIN will "reach accross the isle" yet he chooses a VP who is further right than BUSH/CHENEY and fires anyone who disagrees with her in favor of hiring high school friends, etc. etc. etc.

"I am JOHN McCAIN and I approve this message (LIE)"

Posted by: McCain no more | September 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

RJ said: "Obama is facing lies from McCain. That's how it is, not about taking heat. Unfortunately, bigots like you gets to vote on election day. That's one drawback with democracy.

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RJ unfortunately sexists like you get to vote on election day. That, too, is one drawback with democracy. Maybe, someday, we'll have a socialist paradise like Cuba. I'm sure you would be all in favor of that.

Posted by: Jim | September 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

>> BillyBob wrote: "Your racism is showing Aspergirl. As do most of your kind, you respond with the usual Rush Limbaugh sound bites: "elitism", "former community organizer", "Ivy League law degree", blah blah blah. You show contempt for high education and high intelligence, perhaps because you have neither."

No, actually you're the one showing how ignorant you are. The fact is that having a Harvard law degree is not qualification for the presidency. That you don't know that shows that you're the kind of person who is impressed with ten dollar words & certificates and titles.

Barack Obama has zero professional accomplishments. He has published no scholarly articles in any law journals, he failed to make partner at his law firm, when he was an adjunct lecturer at U.Chicago law school he didn't collaborate on any projects or efforts, he has argued no large cases and there are no precedents with his name on them, and as a politician he has no meaningful or landmark legislative or statutory achievements to his name. Barack Obama is a big zero professionally, both as a politician and a lawyer.

He is only a pop star (or WAS a pop star) rhetorical performer and political animal.

The only tangible intellectual products he has created or brought into the world are his two books that fictionalize his narrative of self, and his two daughters.

If the degree is so impressive to you that, in the face of his having made zero professional contributions to the fields of law or the laws of Illinois, so that you would elect this freshman senator president, then you are showing what a naive, easily-impressed tool you are.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

The real question is who is John McCain fooling?

It is now clear to everyone, but the far right, that McCain has sold his soul to the neo-cons to get elected.

What is not that well-known is that he has reassured those in his inner circle that once in the White house he intends to do away with the neo-cons and go back to McCain circa 2000.

Perhaps this is democrats strongest card against him - to expose him to the far right for what he intends to do. Run a series of ads with the title "McCain: Ready to Mislead" showing his before and after positions on abortion, bush tax cuts, Iraq war, etc. (as done in a recent sketch by the Daily show). And close with: "Would the real John McCain please stand up".

If I were a right-wing republican, this ad would make me nervous, as it reminds me of the McCain I hesitated to support pre Palin. The democrats need to create doubt about McCain's true intentions.

Posted by: mephistopheles | September 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Sure, anonymous. Keep telling yourself that. Look at 538.com, or realclearpolitics.com, heck, even look at the Intrade betting figures. Obama is tanking. But, if you want to delude yourself, you go right ahead. Just don't start whining about stolen elections when McCain ends up winning in a landslide. By the way, the latest polls out today show a dead heat in Minnesota - there goes another state even Kerry won last time. Cheers.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Anybody want to talk about McCain marrying into the mob? NY Times did a piece on it. WHy isn't that front page news?

Posted by: Richard | September 14, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

THIS ELECTION WILL EITHER BE AN IN INDICTMENT OF, OR A VINDICATION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE KNOW WE ARE A PEOPLE WHO FALL IN LOVE WITH THE LATIST FAD, FROM THE HOOL-A-HOOP TO PLATFORM SHOES, FROM DISCO DANCING TO NOSE RINGS. BUT THIS TIME, THIS TIME, THE STAKES ARE TOO HIGH. OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S FUTURE CAN'T BE LEFT TO THE WHIMMS OF FOOLS. PEOPLE NEED TO BE MADE TO RELIZE WHAT IS AT STAKE. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE PEOPLE WILL JUST ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE LIED TO AND MANIPULATED SO EASLY. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE PEOPLE REALLY DON'T CARE ENOUGH TO EVEN TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE OR I SHOULD SAY I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE THAT STUPID TO VOTE FOR THE SAME THING THEY HAVE BEEN RAILING AGAINST FOR YEARS. HOW MANY TIMES DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO BE HIT OVER THE HEAD WITH A BOARD BEFORE THE FIGURE OUT WHO IS DOING THE HITTING? HOW MANY LIES WILL THEY LISTEN TO BEFORE THEY FIGURE OUT WHO THE LIAR IS? HOW MANY TIMES DO THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEIR COUNTRY, THEIR LIVES BEFORE THEY SAY THEY HAVE HAD ENOUGH? DON'T THEY KNOW IT IS IN THEIR HANDS, THEY CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? A VOTE FOR MCCAIN & PALIN WILL BE AN INDICTMENT OF THE STUPIDITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I HONESTLY REFUSE TO BELIEVE THEY JUST DON'T CARE. A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS TOO IMPORTANT TO BE DECIDED BY FADDIST'S.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't think aspergirl is a racist, of if she is it is just a matter of convenience, the same wither her being a dem or rep.

http://blog.pumapac.org/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Tanking? Obama is higher in the polls a then he has ever been. Money is coming faster then it ever has. Mccain is just riding a fad and we know where fads all go. You honestly think this can be stretched to November? Mccain is just now only even with Obama in the polls while riding this crest, meantime Obama is pretty much just cruising. Mccain will crash and burn. The american people are just not this stupid. Mccain got their interest with a gimmick for a while but that is about it.

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Color me unconvinced by the faux outrage from the liberal posters on this thread. As if any of them ever had any remote possibility of voting for McCain in the first place. Their attempts to slime their opponents, aided by the liberal media and their leader (Mr. Hope and Change) will continue to boomerang back on them. Their treatment of Mrs. Palin has been a disgrace and one of the first unfair attacks came from Obama's own campaign manager. Never has this American seen such politics of personal destruction at work, accompanied by such an irrational frenzy of hatred. Scratch a liberal and apparently you open an oozing pus-filled wound of malicious hatred. UGGHH! Obama ia tanking and won't be able to recover from his slow motion train wreck of a campaign. He won't even answer telephone calls from Democrat leaders across the country who see what is happening. Pride goeth before a fall - watch it in action. Cheers all.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 5:08 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Fellow Citizen’s,
First and foremost we are American’s. For those that consider themselves a member of a party (Democrat, Republican or other) never forget we are all in this together. Demand accountability from your own party first! Tearing at each other only benefits those that put themselves first and Country last. Reward only those speaking with far less rhetoric and far more attention to detail with your vote. This will go a long way towards preserving the country that we all call home.

Posted by: ecfikani | September 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"Why isn't anyone investigating Obama's association with Tony Rezco?"

Why don't you ask this question to the rightwing media--Fox News, the New York Post, the National Review, UPI, and the Washington Times, just to name a few?

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,
Obama is facing lies from McCain. That's how it is, not about taking heat. Unfortunately, bigots like you gets to vote on election day. That's one drawback with democracy.

Posted by: RJ | September 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Your racism is showing Aspergirl.

As do most of your kind, you respond with the usual Rush Limbaugh sound bites: "elitism", "former community organizer", "Ivy League law degree", blah blah blah.

You show contempt for high education and high intelligence, perhaps because you have neither.

It takes brains and education and good judgement to run a modern government, not merely brawn.

I stand by what I said in my first post, and you have underlined it with your response.

Posted by: BillyBob | September 14, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

THIS ELECTION WILL EITHER BE AN IN INDICTMENT OF, OR A VINDICATION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE KNOW WE ARE A PEOPLE WHO FALL IN LOVE WITH THE LATIST FAD, FROM THE HOOL-A-HOOP TO PLATFORM SHOES, FROM DISCO DANCING TO NOSE RINGS. BUT THIS TIME, THIS TIME, THE STAKES ARE TOO HIGH. OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S FUTURE CAN'T BE LEFT TO THE WHIMMS OF FOOLS. PEOPLE NEED TO BE MADE TO RELIZE WHAT IS AT STAKE. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE PEOPLE WILL JUST ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE LIED TO AND MANIPULATED SO EASLY. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE PEOPLE REALLY DON'T CARE ENOUGH TO EVEN TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE OR I SHOULD SAY I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE THAT STUPID TO VOTE FOR THE SAME THING THEY HAVE BEEN RAILING AGAINST FOR YEARS. HOW MANY TIMES DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO BE HIT OVER THE HEAD WITH A BOARD BEFORE THE FIGURE OUT WHO IS DOING THE HITTING? HOW MANY LIES WILL THEY LISTEN TO BEFORE THEY FIGURE OUT WHO THE LIAR IS? HOW MANY TIMES DO THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEIR COUNTRY, THEIR LIVES BEFORE THEY SAY THEY HAVE HAD ENOUGH? DON'T THEY KNOW IT IS IN THEIR HANDS, THEY CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? A VOTE FOR MCCAIN & PALIN WILL BE AN INDICTMENT OF THE STUPIDITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I HONESTLY REFUSE TO BELIEVE THEY JUST DON'T CARE. A PRESIDENTIAL IS TOO IMPORTANT TO BE DECIDED BY FADDIST'S.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

So basically you don't care about any of the issues, or where the next president will take our country?

""Were you in this campaign just for me? Or were you in it for that young marine and others like him? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids? Were you in it for that boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage?” -- HRC

"McCain 2008
Clinton 2012"

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 5:05 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Truth Seeker is correct: "Sexism is alive and well in America. If Palin had been a male, working out of the home would not be an issue. Because she criticized the leftist media, they are going after her. The media never went after Obama for accepting money from a felon, Tony Rezco, to help build his home. They never went after Obama for doing political favors for the same Tony Rezco. Gee, I wonder why?".

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Why isn't anyone investigating Obama's association with Tony Rezco? Obama is undoubtedly associated with corrupt Chicago politics. But, the left wind media refuses to investigate, just like they refused to investigate John Edwards.

Posted by: Matt | September 14, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Color me unconvinced by the faux outrage from the liberal posters on this thread. As if any of them ever had any remote possibility of voting for McCain in the first place. Their attempts to slime their opponents, aided by the liberal media and their leader (Mr. Hope and Change) will continue to boomerang back on them. Their treatment of Mrs. Palin has been a disgrace and one of the first unfair attacks came from Obama's own campaign manager. Never has this American seen such politics of personal destruction at work, accompanied by such an irrational frenzy of hatred. Scratch a liberal and apparently you open an oozing pus-filled wound of malicious hatred. UGGHH! Obama ia tanking and won't be able to recover from his slow motion train wreck of a campaign. He won't even answer telephone calls from Democrat leaders across the country who see what is happening. Pride goeth before a fall - watch it in action. Cheers all.

Posted by: SF_Mike | September 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think asper is a McCainbot, I think she is a misguided bitter PUMA that will now back anyone with a uterus no matter what their views or qualifications."

McCain 2008
Clinton 2012

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

>> GJKBEAR wrote: "I am not calling you dumb or stupid - you are probably intelligent. Why do you feel the need to be so belligerant to others? What has happened to civil discourse in America? We better get it back."

I'm sorry if my tone bothered you. Your note posted was nice & reminds me that thoughtful people read these pages, too.

I've been upset about all the sexist attacks on Palin & that lipstick on a pig remark, now the ad misrepresenting McCain's torture-crippled hands that don't keyboard well as being his inability to adjust to computers.

Then, the Post puts up this article saying that McCain went too far, when the stuff Obama's been saying & advertising is more offensive from a personal bigotry level.

But you are right. I will dial down. Sorry about my tone.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Ummm, more victories in the primary?

I don't think asper is a McCainbot, I think she is a misguided bitter PUMA that will now back anyone with a uterus no matter what their views or qualifications.


"What did Barack Obama bring to the table in a time of trouble that Hillary Clinton did not, except for a paper-thin resume & a penis?"

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 4:58 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

We should have let the South secede - then we wouldn't have to deal with this BS. All the hicks supporting McCain and Bush before him would just be citizens of some other ignorant, weak country, and America would be leading the world. Maybe you're wrong on one count, Obama - unity is overrated.

Posted by: urmom | September 14, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh, poor Obama. He's being picked on and he can't deal with it. Campaign ads will be nothing in comparison to the verbal attacks he will get every day if he's elected President. What a big cry baby! As Harry Truman once said, "If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen".

Posted by: Lisa | September 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

have any of seen this guy "Tucker"?

He looks like closet windsurfing homo ineffectually arguing that he can get it up for drunk sorority girls.

Posted by: mike in montana | September 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

>>BillyBob wrote: "Sadly, these people, who are often poor, are unable to see that they are being used by the Republican party, the party that caters to the rich and big money businesses and does nothing to make their little lives better."

& what are your bright ideas about why the ivory tower white elitists and the entertainment professional world see a qualified president in a former community organizer who failed to accomplish any particular substantive thing with his ivy league law degree?

You don't think they are acting out of white guilt? That all that hype about "first black president" isn't a kind of racial preference that is divorced from the values and priorities of electing a qualified, experienced person? That the shallow, attention-deficit-disorder narcissistic world of media are infatuated with a guy whose best talents are his affectations of sophistication & elitism?

What did Barack Obama bring to the table in a time of trouble that Hillary Clinton did not, except for a paper-thin resume & a penis?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"Small town America: bitter and cling to religion and guns and antipathy toward people not like themselves"

This is true to a large extent. I've lived in small towns throughout the western US and many people there often use religion not as a way of worshiping God, but as a way of making themselves feel as if they are "elite" because they are believers.

Honestly, I don't think people who dispute what Obama said have ever spent much time living in small towns, or if they have, they've not bothered to look at the world around them.

Small towns are no more havens for decency than are cities or suburbs, try as some people might to make it seem as if they are. Small towns have drug addicts, welfare cheats, pregnant teenagers, adulterers, and so forth. People who think that small towns are all white picket fences and Fourth of July picnics and sidewalk lemonade stands slander the rest of America.

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I haven't heard anyone criticizing Palin for working from home, have you?

I think what people have a problem with is her getting paid $60 per diem for meals and such for about 300 days when working from home. I know this would not fly at my company, why should the Alaska taxpayers have to pay for her meals when she is at home?

You can try and make this a sexist issue, but I think the same case would be made against anyone male or female.

Sexism is also treating some one differently based on their sex, so no free passes to Palin on ethics.

"Sexism is alive and well in America. If Palin had been a male, working out of the home would not be an issue. Because she criticized the leftist media, they are going after her."
Posted by: Truth Seeker | September 14, 2008 4:50 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Billy Bob said: "I can tell you a few reasons why the rednecks and "poor white trash" vote Republican".

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If you're a leftist like Billy Bob, stereotyping, bigotry, racism, sexism is always acceptable.

Posted by: Jim | September 14, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl - I know that you believe in John McCain and mostly you believe in Sarah Palin. But, Barak Obama did not call Sarah Palin a pig. The way he used the term; was about policy it was clear in the context of his sentence. You can whitewash a fence but underneath, it is still wooden.

I am not going to tell you that McCain is scum, nor that Sarah Palin is scum - they aren't. But neither is Barak Obama or Joe Biden. One team will be in the white house. I hope it is my team and you hope it is yours. I would hope that they get there honestly and not resort to telling lies or subverting the truth or obscuring the real issues with things that in the long run don't matter. So far, I have seen Barak Obama talk about the issues and lay out ways he would affect change. I have seen McCain, whom I respected greatly, talk about change but lay out no real plans. And I have seen McCain who said he was running a clean campaign make ads that were disgusting in their lack of fact about Obama.
I am not calling you dumb or stupid - you are probably intelligent. Why do you feel the need to be so belligerant to others? What has happened to civil discourse in America? We better get it back.

Posted by: GJKBEAR | September 14, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

WOW!! WHAT A WORLD WE LIVE IN!!
KARL ROVE HAS BECOME THE MORAL COMPASS FOR THE USA??

Karl Rove, the King of POlitical Slime, the henchman for the right-wing nut-jobs, the guy who targeted McCain in the 2004 primaries (remember the illegitimate black child push-poll that ruined McCain's chances with the far-right, conservative elite, fundamentalist whackos? - By the way where has McCain's adopted African child been lately? IS that baby even a part of McCain's family anymore? iF NOT, WHY NOT??? And if so, WHERE IS THE BABY???)

Now, Karl Rove has become the Moral Compass for America, teaching us all how to play by the rules, to be honest, respect each other AND Live By the Golden Rule. THANK YOU KARL FOR YOUR VALUES, YOUR MORAL WISOM AND YOUR ETHICS.

Hmm, I'm not buying it, Rove is still the same slimeball that he has always been and any amount of articles, pronouncements of integrity and press-releases that Rove comes out with about himself explaining to the American Public that he's anything other-than a slimeball will fall on deaf ears. Sorry Karl, we ALL know who you are.

MULITI-BILLIONS $$ MORE IMPORTANT THAN ETHICS, VALUES, MORALS AND AMERICAN LIVES

Karl Rove is about money, pure and simple. Thousands of Wonderful, honest, kind and Patriotic Americans have died in a war that was engineered by Karl Rove and his cronies. The War was engineered for money, oil and political power, not to defend the USA.

Vice-President Cheney has Multi-Multi-Multi-MILLIONS of dollars in Blackwater stock and in "Kellogg, Brown and Root" stock. Cheney is on their payrole.

Somehow, Cheney's corporations were able to get the choicest contracts in Iraq (HOW ODD), the contacts that make the most millions (WHAT A SURPRISE). Cheney has exceeded his wildest dreams of making MILLIONS from the American Public off of the Iraq War. Bush has Oil and Arms money in his bank, his family has been involved in Arms Trafficing and Oil for more than 100 years. Bush's grandfather (the Arms Dealer) had a famous quote: "If Business is slow, start a war".

The McCain's are worth no less than 100 million and don't know how many houses they own. Karl Rove is close friends with all of them and earns his living helping them send good American Soldiers to Death in Iraq so the Cheney's, the Bush's, the McCain's (and now the the Palin's) can make their OIL PROFITS and live the ELITE, RICH lifestyle: BLOOD FOR OIL (AS LONG AS ITS NOW OWN OWN BLOOD OF COURSE).

JUDAS ISCARIOT, MONEY AND CHURCH

And now, Karl Rove wants to become the MORAL COMPASS FOR CLEAN POLITICS IN THE USA? Judas Iscariot wanted to be the moral compass for the disciples, but in the long-run, Judas Iscariot couldn't *REALLY* be the moral compass for Jesus' disiples. Sorry Karl, we're not buying it. Slither back into your hole and hide. You are not a moral compass for anybody. Take your earnings and go to a church with them.

Posted by: James Matthew | September 14, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

>> Roy wrote: "perimenopausal"

& we need a roadmap to what you are? SEXIST

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I can tell you a few reasons why the rednecks and "poor white trash" vote Republican:

Republicans are against gun control.

Conservative talk shows express racism and bigotry, which these people relate to big time.

Republicans made religion political, embracing the Fundamentalist Christians, which most of these people are.
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Somehow the religious has been melded with the racist, which seems completely illogical and hypocritical.
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Sadly, these people, who are often poor, are unable to see that they are being used by the Republican party, the party that caters to the rich and big money businesses and does nothing to make their little lives better.

Posted by: BillyBob | September 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

This is the second or third time I've heard the McCain campaign defend their sleazy, dishonest, ruthless campaign by saying, "...if Barack Obama had agreed to do town halls with Sen. McCain, (inference) we wouldn't have had to be such ruthless a--holes...." Sounds a bit like the batterer blaming the victim, "..if she'd been a better wife, I wouldn't have had to hit her..."

This is a sado-masochistic nightmare - bullying and blaming and projecting their own unseemly motivations. No wonder America is so messed up. Look at the leadership John McCain/Sarah Palin offer our young people. Just like the supposedly Christian and "bringing honor back to the white house" George W. Bush: Do anything - lie, cheat, steal - to win. Clean up the mess later.

What does McCain's campaign choices say about how he will govern?

Posted by: bethechange1 | September 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Sexism is alive and well in America. If Palin had been a male, working out of the home would not be an issue. Because she criticized the leftist media, they are going after her. The media never went after Obama for accepting money from a felon, Tony Rezco, to help build his home. They never went after Obama for doing political favors for the same Tony Rezco. Gee, I wonder why? Yes, sexism is alive and well in America.

Posted by: Truth Seeker | September 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

When Karl Rove speaks, AMERICA listens.

Give me a Break!

Posted by: VA Democrat | September 14, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl has become the Jozvez (On Faith) of the political comments section. She needs to be banned until she goes back on her meds.

If I had to guess a diagnosis? perimenopausal

Posted by: Roy | September 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

THE PALIN AFFAIR ACCUSATION PALIN CHEATED ON HER HUSBAND?
http://www.theveep.com

THE PALIN DUI?
http://www.duihelpguide.com

Levi Johnson The self Proclaimed Redneck and the Stud who got Sarah Palins Daughter Pregnant.
http://www.hotpres.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

It is poor arrogance to suggest that Karl Rove has anything to add to Obama. I am confident of that since Aspergirl who is a front for the McCain camapaign thinks that Obama should listen and since Aspergirl wants McCain: his advocacy is meaningless.

Sarah Palin would in some ways be a step back to the thinking of the middle ages. Her concept that creationism should be taught in the public schools even if it had validity is anti-intellectual. What we need to develop is scientists and engineers and the thought environment of school should be conducive to that development. Creationism is best taught at home or in a religious training since it is a spiritual matter. Our advancement in biotech has been impeded by the Bush policy on stem cells but Ms Palin would be Bush on steroids as far as holding back the US in the area of science.

All of this pales in importance with that of the economy and having economic growth that advances the fortunes of the middle class. Bush and McCain are for choking off the middle class and Obama is in favor of growing it. Many people are angry that the country is moving in the wrong direction but chose people who want to continue the country in the same direction.

Posted by: Ronnn | September 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

John McDonald - you do have a tought row to hoe and I don't envy you. The fact is that lying is a sin; but there are falshoods and there are lies. Falsehoods are like if you really don't want to go somewhere and someone keeps after you - saying to them "I really have a bad headache" - even if you don't. They leave you alone and it really does not impact them. BIG LIES are ones that involve falsehoods about someone else - especially spreading rumors about someone else. These lies harm others. It is one thing to tell an occasional fib - everyone does it from time to time and I assume they ask forgiveness. It is another to delibertly distort something for your own personal gain. I have known people who would lie when the truth would suffice. My mother often said - if you tell the truth - then you won't have to remember who you said what to. JUST LET YOUR KIDS KNOW THAT IT IS NEVER OK TO TELL FALSHOODS THAT ARE ABOUT OR WILL AFFECT SOMEONE ELSE.
Good luck to you. I am sorry that your Pastor won't answer you; but sometimes even the wisest Pastor just doesn't have all the answers.

Posted by: GJKBEAR | September 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Was Tucker Bounds named after Dan Quayle's son, Tucker?

Posted by: Roy | September 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

YOUR MUSLIM NEWSPAPER ARTICLE YOU LINKED TO BELOW FAILS TO EXPLAIN WHY --ALL-- THE POLLS SHOW MCCAIN ABOVE OBAMA, EVEN POLLSTERS THAT TEND TO BE BIASED TOWARD OBAMA

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Wondering why the polls always seem to defy the facts?

David W Moore spent 13 years as a top editor and executive at the Gallup Organization, one of the most respected names in US polling. His time there led him to this conclusion: pollsters do not just capture public opinion, at times they actually create it.

Read more:
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20080913/FOREIGN/877017812/1042/PAGETHREE

Posted by: JudiNV

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is if we allow Republican social conservatives to continue hijacking the agenda in our country, we'll continue down the same path we are currently on. We'll keep borrowing to fund wars on our own and make our kids repay the trillions of dollars we've borrowed from the Chinese and other non Democratic countries of the world who hold a larger and larger amount of power and our debt(Russia, Saudis and other Middle Easterners). We'll continue to be stuck in a 20th century mentality regarding the energy economy therefore making these same countries who rely on our dollars rich and allowing them to invest in their own infrastructures and new technologies. Drill and drill is exactly what they want to hear. As long as we aren't trying to cut them entirely out of the picture which new technologies would do they're happy about this mentality. We'll continue to become dumber and dumber as a nation because our education system does not work and more and more often we're not able to send worthy kids to college because of the cost. We'll continue paying more and more for health care and getting less and less out of it. We need smart ideas. We need to innovate. I am sorry but we can not leave people who believe that social issues and winning elections are of the utmost concern in charge of our country any longer. The end of the world is not coming people, it's only going to be the end of America as we know it. The world is passing us up and we don't need to let it happen.

Posted by: HawkinCA | September 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

>> LesG wrote: "Aspergirl: Go back to the Jerry Springer show where U came from. U sound like one of those shrill, needy, clueless, pitiful trash -- with an IQ lower than her age -- AND who badly needs to take a bath and brush her teeth -- who prounces around the stage sounding off on her cheating boyfriend."

LOL. You are so clueless, with your narrow stereotypes of white people. Your imaginings show what class of people you're exposed to, and speaks more about what kind of people you know than what kind of person I am.

There was a double-digit swing away from your candidate with John McCain's Sarah Palin pick, much of it consolidated after Barack Obama called Sarah Palin a "pig".

You Obama supporters & the media are living in an unreal world talking to each other in an echo chamber that is out of touch.

Even if McCain is still only a couple of points ahead of Obama, I'd like to remind you that Obama regularly polled several points ahead of his actual performance, quite consistently all through the primaries.

YOUR SEXIST, BIGOT'S CAMPAIGN IS HOBBLING TO A BIG LOSS

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Wondering why the polls always seem to defy the facts?

David W Moore spent 13 years as a top editor and executive at the Gallup Organization, one of the most respected names in US polling. His time there led him to this conclusion: pollsters do not just capture public opinion, at times they actually create it.

Read more:
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20080913/FOREIGN/877017812/1042/PAGETHREE

Posted by: JudiNV | September 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

completely unsurprising that Palin will talk to the press only once so far, but lots of cameras were invited to witness her send off of her son to war. more propaganda use of the military. One thing I used to admire about McCain was that he never "used" the fact that his son was in Iraq. Looks like those days are over. reminded me of "mission accomplished"

more of the same

Posted by: RBG | September 14, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The Governor Sarah Palin depicted by the McCain camp is a myth. Since entering the race her remarks have been disgracefully characterized by lies, distortions, half-truths and misrepresentations. Three examples: first, she lied (by HuffPost count almost a dozen times now) about her position on "the bridge to nowhere". The facts show she supported it, before she was against it and so Palin has flip-flopped. Second, Palin claim she was against earmarks; this is a lie as she hired a lobbyist to seek earmarks both when she was a mayor and as Governor. Alaska receives more earmarks per capita than any other state in the union -- pork-barrel politics to stick with animal metaphors. (Now she claims she has 'reduced' but not stopped earmarks as Governor). The third BIG LIE of Palin? She claimed she went to Iraq and Ireland. Palin has never been to Iraq (rather to Kuwait on border of Iraq). She has never been to Ireland; her plane stopped there for refuelling so it is an exaggeration to say you have travelled to Ireland. The woman is an international relations illiterate in a complex world where knowledge of world affairs is essential to US national security interests. You have to wonder why Palin and not the knowledgeable Condi Rice or the other Republican women like Kaye Bailey who were passed over like yesterday's news! I could go on an on with the lies and exaggerations of Sarah Palin but the so-called Christians in Republican Party do not care about lying or dishonesty; they will say anything and do anything to hold power.

Posted by: malinda_smith@yahoo.ca | September 14, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Obama, as he claims, CAN'T see what is wrong with his lipstick & fish stink comments, is worse than if he did see what is wrong with them and apologized.

WE DON'T NEED AN INAPPROPRIATE GAFFE-MACHINE-COUPLE
AS HEAD OF STATE & FIRST LADY CAUSING
INTERNATIONAL INCIDENTS

LOW-CLASS CLUELESS GAFFES OF
"THE INAPPROPRIATE OBAMAS"

On McCain adding Sarah Palin to his ticket & calling that "change":
“Lipstick on a pig” & "it smells like an old fish"

To Hillary saying I'm not as charming as he is: "You're likable enough" (smirk)

"Hold on sweetie"

Dismissing Hillary w/3 am cell phone text message announcing Biden

For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country

America, my grandmother is a "Typical White Person"

Small town America: bitter and cling to religion and guns and antipathy toward people not like themselves

Surge was not a success (we lost the war)

Having an opinion about when a baby acquires rights: above my pay grade says "Constitutional Law Lecturer" Obama

Iran: a tiny country that cannot hurt us

I have visited 57 states in America

Behold the Obama Presidential Seal on my podium

I'll stop poverty, still rising seas, heal planet, redeem America from its ignorance

The Republicans will tell you not to vote for me because I don't look like the presidents on the dollar bills

The Republicans will tell you that I'm a Muslim

Americans: cynical, lazy, slobs, downright mean

Germans, I apologize for America

** Oh yeah, Head-of-State and First Lady material **

Michelle & Barack Obama may have spent a couple of years at Harvard decades ago, but they've spent the last 20 years sitting in the South Side Chicago Afrocentric-rant church of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Trinity Church, soaking up his political ideas about America & his social programming.

NOW THEY ARE TRASHY-GAFFE MACHINES

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl:

Go back to the Jerry Springer show where U came from. U sound like one of those shrill, needy, clueless, pitiful trash -- with an IQ lower than her age -- AND who badly needs to take a bath and brush her teeth -- who prounces around the stage sounding off on her cheating boyfriend.

U don't belong among the commenters of WAPO's "The Trail." To quote the ineffable WC Fields: "whew----, U stink up the place."

Posted by: LesG | September 14, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

..'Aspergirl and canadaproud: you need to pick up a grade school english text and look up analogies. In the lipstick on a pig analogy, McCain's recycled Bush agenda is the pig, the attempt to dress it up in a new "change" mantle is the attempt to put lipstick on it. In a real stretch, Palin could be the lipstick itself, but it's a reach."

You know, you can parse and parse & say the grammar indicates this was the object of that modifier & etc. But the fact is that Obama's a rhetorical expert & he knows perfectly well that the memes in conjunction with a long, rambling discussion about the McCain-Palin ticket & its "change" theme, would juxtapose that imagery.

His audience had no doubt whatsoever what he meant, as the raucous cheering and clapping on hearing the words "lipstick on a pig" proved. Later, his audience was chanting "No pit bull!"

If you look at all the false accusations of racism the Obama camp has spewed out all year toward others, they make the "racial coding" argument. That is that "racially coded" memes (i.e. imagery that invokes or recalls some racial trait) is programmed into a speech criticizing Obama.

The false accusations "racial coding" that Obama's been making all year included false accusations that the 3 a.m. phone call was "racial coded" because white people might be afraid that a black man would pick up the phone. The instances over which the Obama camp has attacked his opponents with accusations of "racial coding" are absurd and not discriminatory. Clinton's 3 a.m. ad wasn't racially coded.

But if you want a prime, blatant example of a discriminatory-coded message, where bigoted imagery and memes are used in juxtaposition with attacks against a woman or minority opponent, Obama's "lipstick on a pig & smells like a fish" mockery of the McCain-Palin ticket is a classic. You even have the audience getting incited into jeering & hooting.

Look at the video again. It's a classic example of coded-speech bigotry.

Now the media, in waving off the "Lipstick on a pig" was a coincidental juxtaposition of an old phrase & that Obama forgot about, or was unaware of Palin's "pitbull in lipstick" tagline, overlooked that Obama didn't just tag the McCain-Palin ticket theme of "change" as 'lipstick on a pig" but also that it "smelled like a fish". My point is that the media has argued away the "pig" part but ignored the "fish" part. NO ONE has tried to argue that "old fish stink" is some kind of familiar political talk, or that a pig with lipstick on it that smells like a fish is some kind of coherent rhetoric for Mr. Rhetoric to come out with.

Finally, if you look at the whole talk, & not just focus on that one sentence, it's clear the antecedent reference for the "lipstick on a pig" & "smells like a fish" comments were McCain putting Palin on his ticket & wrapping that in a "change" theme.

Only the media has convinced itself, in its echo chamber, that people think that Obama wasn't throwing out a sexist smear. Even on NPR the anchor was saying that the members in her family that weren't in the media business felt Obama was calling Sarah Palin a pig that smelled like a fish.

Your Obama is a trashy-mouthed SEXIST PIG and he's continuing to sink in polls due to his TRASHY GHETTO SMEAR.

At minimum, he's so clueless he's a trashy-gaffe machine who will cause international incidents with his stupid gaffes.

End of discussion.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"In all truthiness, Rove's comments were far from a clean hit for the Obama campaign. The Democrats failed to point out that Rove said he thought Obama's lipstick comments were a "direct slap'' at Palin, because of her recent lipstick-separates-hockey-moms-from-pit-bulls comment. And he said both camps were at fault."
....... but the Washington Post, NY Times and CNN .. have no problem in pointing to McCain in their story tag lines!!
When does this bias for 0-bama stop??

Posted by: Cassandra Washington | September 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

the NoBama crowd is sweating and fretting as their hero melts away into a puddle of tap water. happy to see this and I long for a Clinton/Richardson ticket in four years.
write-in Hillary Clinton! NoBama! p.s. but be sure to vote for the Dems. downticket, as I will against our dreadful congressboy, Feeney.

Posted by: No way NoBama | September 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

John, Republicans were counting on Sarah to bring white trash vote and Sarah delivered.
I'll never understand why rednecks vote republicans...I never see any rednecks at Republican Country Clubs.

Posted by: Serge Birbrair | September 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, vote McCain-Palin! And get four more years of this same unremitting lying dreck, while our once-great nation continues its sorry slide downhill to hell.

But if you'd like for things to start actually getting better, vote Obama-Biden.

Posted by: oldhonky | September 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has been in Washington too long. Sarah Palin mimics McCain and George W Bush so she is more of the same. It does not take a rocket scientist to observe that McCain-Palin want to be mavericks for change by taking the low road with lies, smears, distortions and misrepresentations. The pig on a lipstick saga is one more sad commentary. More compelling are the following: I agree with the Obama campaign that McCain-Palin have led a "Dishonorable, Dishonest Campaign". So does Paul Krugman in "Blizzard of Lies"; Joe Klein in Time, "New McCain Ad one of the Sleaziest I've Ever Seen"; an Editorial in the St. Petersburg Times, "Campaign Of Lies Disgraces McCain." Even the women on the View got into the fray and told McCain to his face that his campaign ads were lies. McCain was in denial - he does not get it. So much for McCain-Palin "change" (more of the same partisan, divisive politics).

Posted by: malinda_smith@ualberta.ca | September 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama lied about Rove comments, no surprize there.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl and canadaproud: you need to pick up a grade school english text and look up analogies. In the lipstick on a pig analogy, McCain's recycled Bush agenda is the pig, the attempt to dress it up in a new "change" mantle is the attempt to put lipstick on it. In a real stretch, Palin could be the lipstick itself, but it's a reach.

And the audience, no doubt, was thinking of Palin's lipstick on a pitbull remark. So what if they were, and so what if Obama used the saying deliberately - he still wasn't calling Palin a pig. He was throwing the lipstick metaphor back at her, which is perfectly fair and not the least bit sexist. If she can use the term, so can he.

suppose he had removed all doubt and said "Palin can talk about being a pitbull with lipstick, but the only lipstick that matters is the change lipstick McCain is trying to put on his old Bush agenda pig."

what, exactly, would be unfair, or sexist, about that? clearly not calling Palin a pig there either.

Posted by: JoeT | September 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Seen that SNL video aspergirl?

Tina Fey has Palin down to a T.

http://widgets.nbc.com/o/4727a250e66f9723/48cd19f980c116aa/4741e3c5156499a7/6d0a91ce

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

As far as most peopole of good breeding are concerned,Sarah Palin IS a pig. she comes from a state inhabited by ignorant trailer trash and fots right in with the crow. aso much for her pious almighty "christian " conservative beliefs. She is a habitual, chronic LIAR. It will be a pleasure watching Joe biden make her look like the trailer hoe she really is.

Posted by: John | September 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"Both campaigns are making a mistake, and that is they are taking whatever their attacks are and going one step too far,'' Rove said.

LOL LOL LOL

This from a fella that gave seminars on dirty politics when he first entered the political arena in college. Whose dirty fingerprings are on dirty tricks too numerous to count for over twenty years. A guy that is in contempt of a Federal subpoena and is not in jail, which would not be the case if it were, say, anyone else in the general population.

LOL LOL LOL

Whatever, Karl

Posted by: StellaZ | September 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

An America that values the lives of our troops uses them only when it is absolutely necessary and only as a last resort. It does not throw away their lives every chance it gets. I mean after all, they (the troops) are brave citizen's of this country not artilery.

So do you value the lives of our troops?

Posted by: do you value our troops? | September 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Can I donate towards AsperGirl's anger management therapy?

AsperGirl, did Democrats leave bitter taste in your mouth too? Monica says Democrats are all alike...

Posted by: Serge Birbrair | September 14, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

MEANWHILE THE PRESS IS IGNORING WHAT OBAMA DID WITH THAT '1982' AD

(1) IT WAS ALL BASED ON LIES: McCain does have a lAaptop on the trail & does use it. He knows how to email.

(2) MCCAIN DOESN'T USE KEYBOARD MUCH BECAUSE HIS FINGERS ARE CRIPPLED FROM THE TORTURE, SOMETHING HE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT MUCH.

Obama ad takes heat for McCain cyber shot
Insensitivity to war injuries cited

By Bryan Bender
Globe Staff / September 14, 2008

The National Revew Online and other Republican-leaning websites said the charge was unfair, citing several articles, including stories several years ago in the Boston Globe and Slate.com, that indicated injuries McCain sustained when he was a prisoner of war in Vietnam prevent him from using a keyboard.

McCain suffered broken bones that still prevent him from fully lifting his arms and has lost mobility as a result of fractured fingers.

....

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/14/obama_ad_takes_heat_for_mccain_cyber_shot/


2000 Boston Globe article that reported: "McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTliMTNiZjg5ZDEwZWNiZDYwZWFjN2JlNjNjNjkxZmM=


BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS
BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS
BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS
BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS
BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS
BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS

BARACK OBAMA IS A LYING, BIGOTED & SEXIST CAMPAIGNER
BARACK OBAMA IS A LYING, BIGOTED & SEXIST CAMPAIGNER
BARACK OBAMA IS A LYING, BIGOTED & SEXIST CAMPAIGNER
BARACK OBAMA IS A LYING, BIGOTED & SEXIST CAMPAIGNER
BARACK OBAMA IS A LYING, BIGOTED & SEXIST CAMPAIGNER
BARACK OBAMA IS A LYING, BIGOTED & SEXIST CAMPAIGNER
BARACK OBAMA IS A LYING, BIGOTED & SEXIST CAMPAIGNER

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

MEANWHILE THE PRESS IS IGNORING WHAT OBAMA DID WITH THAT '1982' AD

(1) IT WAS ALL BASED ON LIES: McCain does have a laptop on the trail & does use it. He knows how to email.

(2) MCCAIN DOESN'T USE KEYBOARD MUCH BECAUSE HIS FINGERS ARE CRIPPLED FROM THE TORTURE, SOMETHING HE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT MUCH.

Obama ad takes heat for McCain cyber shot
Insensitivity to war injuries cited

By Bryan Bender
Globe Staff / September 14, 2008

The National Revew Online and other Republican-leaning websites said the charge was unfair, citing several articles, including stories several years ago in the Boston Globe and Slate.com, that indicated injuries McCain sustained when he was a prisoner of war in Vietnam prevent him from using a keyboard.

McCain suffered broken bones that still prevent him from fully lifting his arms and has lost mobility as a result of fractured fingers.

....

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/14/obama_ad_takes_heat_for_mccain_cyber_shot/


2000 Boston Globe article that reported: "McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTliMTNiZjg5ZDEwZWNiZDYwZWFjN2JlNjNjNjkxZmM=

BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS
BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS
BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS
BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS
BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS
BIGOT, LYING ABOUT A POW'S WAR-INJURY-CRIPPLED HANDS

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

whoops...
AsperGirl,
just for you:
http://pusi.com

Why so much anger?

Aren't you supposed to smile because God loves you?

Posted by: Serge Birbrair | September 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Like aspergirl says, donate to the AIP a group the Palin's are firmly behind.

http://www.akip.org/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Most likely the Republicans have been doing some secret polling, which has told them that the McCain/Palin smear tactics are backfiring big time. Rove wouldn't send out such a message if the onslaught were having its intended result.

This may be a set-up for the next salvo from the Republicans: the 2008 version of the Swift Boat attack ads. It's being reported that the "American Issues Project"--a.k.a. the Swiftboaters--are getting ready to roll out their broadside. Notice that our friend "Aspergirl" here is supplying the AIP website to which the right-wing faithful can send their nickels and dimes.

Posted by: jm917 | September 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"I think he is a shrewd politician who knows not only when to change position but how to justify it, too."

He just has to say the magic words, "I was a POW."

Posted by: Capncuster | September 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Asper Girl,
you are one angry

HTTP://pusi.com

HTTP://PUSI.com

HTTP://PUSI.COM

I don't think you are even the girl.....

Posted by: Serge Birbrair | September 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I used to like and respect John McCain but his behavior, reflected in his campaign, in the past few months has changed my mind. I thought he was a man of integrity and honesty but after coming across only the tip of the iceburg I think he is a shrewd politician who knows not only when to change position but how to justify it, too. This is only a calculated and well rehearsed public face of John McCain; if it is becoming ugly, then God knows what is real John McCain. I think he is trying the same trick as George Bush did, fooling people in the name of straight talk and now he has an even better partner in Palin.

Posted by: Shahid | September 14, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

McCain has clearly decided that if he runs on Republican governance he will lose. McCain said as much at the Republican convention. He said some in Washington have abused power and forgotten their conservative principles. Have they ever. Skyrocketing deficits (borrow and spend), rising unemployment, record home foreclosures. All the while CEOs get rewarded for their failures with government safety nets. Privatize the profits and socialize the losses.
Corruption in government is rampant from the oil lobbyist scandal that just was unearthed this last week to the politicization of the department of justice. Foreign policy is a nightmare.

The GOP is a case study in failed governance. McCain is not proposing anything different than Bush. NOT A THING. If the election is on policy McCain loses. So of course he has to run it into the mud. Facts be damned. It works well for the GOP base who already believe the media is liberally biased so any criticism can be ignored. All they need is for Rush Limbaugh to cheer and all is OK.

We need real change - Obama 08. We should not reward the GOP for the failure that is Bush and elect the McCain.

Posted by: birdman | September 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

>>"In all truthiness, Rove's comments were far from a clean hit for the Obama campaign. The Democrats failed to point out that Rove said he thought Obama's lipstick comments were a "direct slap'' at Palin, because of her recent lipstick-separates-hockey-moms-from-pit-bulls comment. And he said both camps were at fault."

in spite of what the media has tried to convince themselves in their little echo chamber,

EVERYONE KNOWS HE WAS CALLING HER A PIG

THE ONLY PIG IN THE CONTEST IS THE SEXIST PIG OBAMA
THE ONLY PIG IN THE CONTEST IS THE SEXIST PIG OBAMA
THE ONLY PIG IN THE CONTEST IS THE SEXIST PIG OBAMA
THE ONLY PIG IN THE CONTEST IS THE SEXIST PIG OBAMA
THE ONLY PIG IN THE CONTEST IS THE SEXIST PIG OBAMA

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

BARACK OBAMA'S

◆ 3-day old bread
◆ yesterday's hype
◆ a falling star
◆ boring & irrelevant off the teleprompter
◆ a purveyor of empty rhetoric everyone's bored with
◆ already finished

HE'S NOW AN ANGRY BLACK MAN ON THE STUMP CARPING NEGATIVELY ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE NICER THAN HE IS.

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK

GREAT MESSAGE OF HOPE & CHANGE

Too stupid to listen to Karl Rove, even.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes, this election is not going to be about issues. It's going to be about finding the truth in an avalanche of lies.
They did it to John Kerry, Obama should better act now or he's in trouble.

Posted by: Kay | September 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow! When a shameless jackal like Rove says you've gone too far, that's really really really bad!

But that's the Mc Cain campaign: dishonest, beholden to lobbyists, and the last thing America needs right now.

Posted by: LH | September 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people are turning away from John McCain. It's sad. But he sold his soul to the devil to win the presidency. We just can't have that in this country.

Posted by: Mary | September 14, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Too bad those folks in NV that heard Palin speak just heard the same old speech, she really is a one trick pony.

" Sarah Palin's reputation for rarely deviating from a scripted stump speech as she travels from city to city is not entirely accurate.

She’s open to changing a few lines here and there — depending on the audience.

Consider her speech Saturday in Nevada, site of the proposed Yucca Mountain Repository, a controversial project that would store radioactive waste in Nevadans’ backyard. At nearly every campaign stop over the last two weeks, Palin has touted McCain’s plan to expand nuclear energy, including storage and reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/14/palin-tweaks-stump-speech-for-different-audiences/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

You know, I had forgotten that it was Obama who talked about staying in Iraq 100 years. I thought it was McCain.

Posted by: tom | September 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The many kool-aid comments about "everybody knew Obama was talking about Palin when he made the lipstick remarks" show just how McCain supporters are either liars or completely deluded by listening too much to patented Republican Talking Points.

By continuing to beat this dead horse, which perhaps more than any other has been exposed as a completely unbelievable lie, they are just making themselves looking like fools (or worse) and are keeping focus on what has turned out to be a disastrous flop of an ad for McCain.

It has called his honor into question, and that used to be his unassailable number one quality with voters. His petulant, response that if only Obama had played by McCain's rules he wouldn't be engaging in this scheme of childish tale-telling (aka lying) ads is showing his character is not one of honor but of self-aggrandizement. And that's how HE'S presenting it!

HE'S saying, if Obama won't play by my rules, I'll kick and scream. I only wish he'd hold his breath until he passed out, too, so as to complete his self-portrait of a child told he can't just take what he wants.

Can he not see he is undermining his most valuable asset, his reputation as a straight-talking honorable man?

That that I mind if he does. I don't like his policies. But I used to like him and I voted for him both the 2000 and 2008 primaries.

But my God. No way I can vote for him in November. He's not the John McCain I thought he was. But now I'm thinking the John McCain I thought he was could have just been a role he put on and played until it no longer served his purpose.

Posted by: Lose a reputation and it's hard to get back | September 14, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

If the McCain campaign can parse so can the Obama campaign. But the Obama campaign avoids lies.

The most recent and most disgusting lie from McCain is the one about the Illinois legislation intended to promote the education of children about their safety. Instead, McCain misrepresented as Obama supporting pedophila. Straight out lie. Rove got it right.

One wonders why McCain has adopted any expediency in pursuit of victory? Has he lost his self-respect?

Posted by: Pete | September 14, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I am a Religious Right single parent.
My children are old enough to understand politics. They understand that John Mc Cain and Sarah Palin are lying at times. My children ask me when it is ok to lie.
What am I suppose to tell them?
My own pastor won't answer this question for me.

Posted by: John Mc Donald | September 14, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Rove says McCain went to far? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Posted by: Mark Gillis | September 14, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Like aspergirl says, donate to the AIP a group the Palin's are firmly behind.

http://www.akip.org/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Mr. "Hope" & "Change" ➤ Mr. "Hype" & "Smear"

His star is already falling. He's yesterday's hype, knocked off his pedestal by an authentic agent of change. Sarah Palin is eclipsing him already:

The Reno Gazette-Journal reported on a Sarah Palin event:

An estimated 10,000 people were waiting at the Pony Express Pavilion in Carson City to see Palin at 6 p.m., according to Carson City Sheriff's Office estimates.

However, only 3,500 will be let in to see Palin speak in her first Nevada campaign stop.

Colorado's 9News reported on the Sarah Palin and Barack Obama campaign events in Golden:

Obama is set to be at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden at the Lockridge Arena. The doors open at 7 a.m. and the program will begin at 9:30 a.m.

Tickets will be available Sunday and Monday from 10 a.m until 8 p.m. at several campaign offices.

People can get tickets at the Lakewood office at 9797 West Colfax Avenue, the Morrison office at 19423 North Turkey Creek Road Suite 1, the Arvada office at 7402 West 57th Avenue and the Golden office at 710 Golden Ridge Road...

Palin will be at the Jefferson County Fairgrounds in Golden on Monday morning. That event begins at 9 a.m. There are no tickets remaining.

OBAMA'S STAR IS FALLING ☟☟☟☟☟

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

As a vet, I can tell you that fighting fair is as important as fighting hard to us. And McCain has lost my respect. He's not saying what he'll do as president. He only says or does things for campaign purposes. Picking Palin was the most obvious example of this.

Although I was a Brownback supporter, or maybe Fred Thompson, I've pretty much decided to vote for Obama unless McCain stops running such a dishonorable campaign and starts talking about what he'll do as president.

Posted by: Frank888777 | September 14, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove has been publishing advice for Barack Obama for months now. It's bizarre. during primary season, he outlined 8 ways in which Obama needed to improve to win in a Newsweek article that was titled, I believe, "Advice to Barack Obama from Karl Rove" (something like that). Last week, Rove published an article in WSJ explaining why Obama should lay off Palin & how it undermined his candidacy. All advice Rove has given Obama is dead-on accurate & relevant.

What gives?


++++++++++++++

THESE POLITICIANS ACT MOTIVATED BY ONE THING, AND ONE THING ONLY: MONEY AND POWER.

THE ONLY REASON FOR ROVE TO SUPPORT OBAMA IS POWER AND MONEY. ROVE MOVES IN THE HIGHER ECHELONS OF GOVERNMENT AND BIG BUSINESSES. THE ONLY REASON TO STAB MCPALIN IS BECAUSE MONEY AND POWER HAVE ALREADY CAST THEIR VOTE: FOR THE MESSIAH.

HIS HIGHNESS HAS MADE AGREEMENTS BEHIND THE CURTAIN, WITH THE HAMILTON PROJECT, TO DEFEND THE OIL EMPIRE AND WORLD TRADERS AGAINST THE LITTLE PEOPLE.

BO: “Look, I am A Pro-Growth, Free-Market Guy. And I Always Have been. I Love The Market” (cnnmoney.com)

And to prove it, he became a member of the Hamilton Project (THP). But why would the members of THP consider BO as one of them, knowing that he has being involved with leftist up to this day? Because he is part of the Democratic Leadership Council.

A Tiny Revolution.com described them more appropriately: “The members of the advisory council of The Hamilton Project include numerous investment bankers. They’re people who should naturally be Republicans, but just can’t bear having to hang out with Pat Robertson”.

“Bob and I have had a running debate now for about a year about how do we, in fact, deal with the losers in a globalized economy.” [Sen. Obama at the Brookings Inst conference]

“This is Not a Bloodless process”

BO said in his address to the Brookings Institute mentioned before that the people affected by globalized economy “…believe that this may be the first generation in which their children do worse than they do. Some of that, then, will end up manifesting itself in the sort of nativist sentiment, protectionism, and anti-immigration sentiment that we are debating here in Washington. This is not a bloodless process”.

A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR THE OIL EMPIRE.

Posted by: THE TRUTH | September 14, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Ha Ha! Karl Rove saying that lying is going too far?! what a joke! That is the funniest, most absurdly ridiculous thing I have ever heard the man say! He is the king of political underhandedness and deception: A liar's liar. The most despicable human to ever enter american politics! If he is saying that then there must be a trick to it. He must be trying to get us to think that there was some truth in McCain's ads when in actuality they were not a little too far over the line, like McCain's little toe crossed over, but blatant in your face, I don't give a flip what the filthy little facts are, bald faced lies. funny funny funny! Good one Karl.

Posted by: Dan C | September 14, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

So Mr. Rove believes it is possible to go too far? I guess if anyone should know, he should. One could be forgiven for wondering if his 'Lee Atwater moment' represents a new chapter in the Karl Rove playbook--in short, what's he REALLY up to?

Posted by: dch | September 14, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

BO blew it w/ Biden Hillary was the one!

Posted by: Tom | September 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Even Rove realizes all of McCain/Palin's distortions and distractions are going to backfire (and already are). He's trying to telegraph to them to cut it out, that the American people are starting to see what they're trying to do. But they won't cut it out because it's their only chance.

Posted by: LisaD211 | September 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Please, I need help here as my pastor won't answer my questions....
I am a Religious Right single parent.
Should I let my children watch Mc Cain and Palin lie? Should I support this behaviour?
Should we Republicans teach our children to lie?
I believe in the commandments but I need to know... And how can I lie to my children when they ask me these questions?

Someone from the Religious Right please answer my questions.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

No one with even a hint of fairness, sanity, intelligence, or even a pair of ears and a brain could think the lipstick remark had anything to Sarah Palin's looks or gender. It's a known expression (and a funny one) that was perfectly appropriate and in no way personally insulting. Even most GOP-sympathizers have said so.

But keep up with your distractions to the real issues. It's your only chance, I guess.

Posted by: TRD311 | September 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

How often do you Post propagandists practice so that you manage to repeat the McShame lies seven or eight times, and make it look like he's the victim ? Or do you have a large rewrite squad that reworks the first draft ?

Posted by: mihalovitch | September 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Please donate to a group that will be running advertisements against the Obama campaign on topics that the McCain campaign will not touch, and counterattack against the systematic media campaign to misrepresent Sarah Palin:

The American Issues Project
http://www.americanissuesproject.org/

The American Issues Project was started by some of the people who supported the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that deflated the campaign hype around some of John Kerry's Vietnam War medals. If you recall, it turned out Kerry had been awarded some of his medals for frivolous reasons or for doing things other men who served with him were doing every day, including his campaign-hyped medal for "heroism".

Similarly, the media has been attacking Sarah Palin on her religion and sexuality and family, after declaring those topics "off limits" for Barack Obama! These areas: religion, family history and governance record, have all been declared off-limits when criticizing Barack Obama, as we all know. So while the Obama campaign and the media attack the character of the McCain-Palin ticket freely and dishonestly, John McCain's hands are tied because his campaign has sworn off attacking his opponent's poor family background, his religion problems and other personal issues. Finally, the Obama supporters among the media have also started systematically misrepresenting Sarah Palin's governing history and professional life.

Please donate to the American Issues Project, which is more free to respond to the Obama campaign and the media to defend the McCain-Palin ticket in kind, to counterattack the misrepresentations and distortions of Sarah Palin's religion, family and governance history that are being misreported by the media and advertised by the Obama campaign.

Help level the playing field against the media false reporting. Help "swiftboat" the rafts of lies that the American media and the Obama camp are floating this year about Sarah Palin.

Donate to: American Issues Project
www.americanissuesproject.org/

Also donate to the RNC at:
secure.gop.com/donate/

Also add a GOP search toolbar to your browser & help generate $$ that way:
www.gop.com/toolbar/

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

AMAZING!

I find it amazing when McCain, one of his surrogates, or a commentator has the audacity to argue that Obama is at fault (by not letting McCain unilaterally dictate the terms of a clean campaign on the issues)for McCain's use of lies, distortions, racial, and gender politics as tactics for winning votes.

Posted by: oyoung47 | September 14, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The new politics of obama.
John McCain has no integrity.
John McCain is running a Sleazy Campaign.
John McCain is a liar!

New Higher Ground?

Same old mayor Daly politics!

NoBamaMama'

Posted by: simonsays1 | September 14, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

To COL. A.M. Khajawall [Ret] MD,

I am a Viet Nam vet. I was a Dust-off medic (volunteered) picking up the wounded in Viet Nam. Thank you for your intelligent comments. I am hoping America can get back to intelligence.

Robert Cannon
Viet Nam vet AGAINST Mc Cain

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

>>"In all truthiness, Rove's comments were far from a clean hit for the Obama campaign. The Democrats failed to point out that Rove said he thought Obama's lipstick comments were a "direct slap'' at Palin, because of her recent lipstick-separates-hockey-moms-from-pit-bulls comment. And he said both camps were at fault."

EVERYONE KNOWS OBAMA WAS CALLING PALIN A PIG WITH THAT LIPSTICK SMEAR

The media has only convinced itself it's persuaded everyone that it was a coincidence or that Obama was referring to McCain's "policies".

Barack Obama was trying to be clever & talk around it without direct reference, but it was clear he was referring to McCain adding Palin to his ticket and wrapping it in a "change" theme when he said that was putting "lipstick on a pig" that "smelled like an old fish" [wrapped in paper]".

SEXIST PIG

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The problem to me is the "truth". I am talking about universal truth, the truth within and the ability to tell the truth no matter the circumstance. The truth will restore trust in modern government.

You all can correct me if I am wrong but I think I heard Palin say that it is God's Will we are occupying Iraq today. Lies, faulty human intelligence, egocentricity of mankind and fear got us into Iraq. Are these things from God, I think not. So was it really God's will which lead to the invasion and occupation of Iraq ? More likely it is the free will of mankind which lead and continues our involvement the Middle East directly. Now, that is the truth for me. And I would challenge both McCain and Palin to teach me about the truth.

I and we are not the only ones observing global events either. Not too long ago, a wise Arab man said that one day a Hurricane would hit the United States and disrupt our need for refined oil products. I remember thinking the man who said this is probably right. That given a history of natural disasters in the United States, another hurricane could and would disrupt supply and demand.

This wise Arab man then gave a list of things the United States needed to do in order to prevent negative effects us such natural disasters. That list remains open. Now, we could act like fools and say to ourselves, "Well we dodged a bullet this time" and forget about it or we could act. That would also be a choice of the free will of mankind.

I myself like this idea of planning out 50 to 75 years so future generations of Arabs and Westerners guarentee posperity for their generations to come, Legacy, but that is just me.

Now, if McCain has his own truths, that is on him. I'll stick with universal truths myself. I and we live in global societies today which are observed in realtime.

Posted by: Mark W. | September 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

>>"In all truthiness, Rove's comments were far from a clean hit for the Obama campaign. The Democrats failed to point out that Rove said he thought Obama's lipstick comments were a "direct slap'' at Palin, because of her recent lipstick-separates-hockey-moms-from-pit-bulls comment. And he said both camps were at fault."

EVERYONE KNOWS OBAMA WAS CALLING PALIN A PIG WITH THAT LIPSTICK SMEAR

The media has only convinced itself it's persuaded everyone that it was a coincidence or that Obama was referring to McCain's "policies".

Barack Obama was trying to be clever & talk around it without direct reference, but it was clear he was referring to McCain adding Palin to his ticket and wrapping it in a "change" theme when he said that was putting "lipstick on a pig" that "smelled like an old fish" [wrapped in paper]".

SEXIST PIG

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

If you vote Republican,
You are a sleazy lying
lipstick wearing pig!
Oh, and a RACIST!
so there.
That is the higher ground,
Mr.barack is treading upon.
I see great things for
liberal intellectuals
if he is elected.
not such great things
for the rest of us.

Posted by: USA3 | September 14, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow, John Mc Cain is pouting that Barak Obama won't come out and play...
"To see the ridiculous is comic..
To be rediculous is tragic"

Posted by: Robert Cannon | September 14, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove has been publishing advice for Barack Obama for months now. It's bizarre. during primary season, he outlined 8 ways in which Obama needed to improve to win in a Newsweek article that was titled, I believe, "Advice to Barack Obama from Karl Rove" (something like that). Last week, Rove published an article in WSJ explaining why Obama should lay off Palin & how it undermined his candidacy. All advice Rove has given Obama is dead-on accurate & relevant.

What gives?

Rove was clearly off-base with the VP picks. He guessed Obama would make a political pick when he went to shore up his substance problems. And worse, Rove was totally off-base about his predictions about McCain' VP pick & was clearly floored & unable to talk knowledgeably after McCain picked Palin.

Rove is obviously not in the loop of McCain insiders. Maybe he's frustrated not being puppet-master behind some emerging world leader anymore & can't keep his mouth shut. He keeps intruding on this contest & giving Obama critical advice. Some republican high-up should take him aside & ask him to slow down with all these articles giving tactical & strategic information to Obama. It's like he can't stop himself & can't go into retirement.

Maybe he's angry that McCain has marginalized him.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I concur with Admiral StickyPants.
We need to tell our enemies,
that we will no condone the
use of force, will not use
force. We will talk to anyone.
We will have good faith.
Even if they stretch the truth.
We will not Use Force.
that will make our enemies
love us.

Posted by: Col. Jihad | September 14, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

John McCain was once an honorable man. But in his quest to win, his end-justifies-the-means rationale has taken him well beyond a step too far.

His coming hand-off to the Swift Boaters for further lies and smears will offer additional evidence of how a McCain administration would continue the nastiness of Bush operatives' ugly campaign tactics, and thereby continue the gridlock that has prevented us from coping with serious problems at home and abroad.


Posted by: Four more years? | September 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Restore our standing in the world?
This is a media trick.
We polled the Germans
and they are not happy
with the us,
what are they going to do.
fire up the ovens?
Who are you trying to impress.
What about character.
There is a right and a wrong,
It is not a popularity contest.
Cut and Paste.
I am a disabled veteran,
col. Liberal Loo'
I thinks we has to vote
for tht boamarck fella
to regain our standing
in the world.
thank yu..

Posted by: simonsays1 | September 14, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea what Rove's purpose is but telling the truth was not done for its intrinsic value. There is a lie buried within it.

McCain's real lie is that Obama will raise taxes. The Republican's are used to thinking in terms of the economics of the wealthy and their taxes will be raised, so McCain says taxes will be raised. However for 95% of the people listening to McCain their taxes will be lowered. McCain's tax policy is opposed by Greenspan. Unfortunately Greenspan failed to oppose Bush's in 2003 when he should have. McCain is wrong now but the middle class would not be in the pickle they are in if Bush's 2003 tax cut had not gone into effect. It is far easier to destroy a good economy than it is to build up a bad one. There will be tough economic times no matter who wins but with Obama there will be a shift in the economy due to the creation of jobs in the alternative energy field and with it will come better jobs and an economy that will benefit all of the people instead of just the rich. The road won't be easy but we must begin to plan for our future and that future relies on an economy that will strengthen not weaken the middle class.

Those who benefit from the status quo like the celebrities of talk radio will fight this transition because the shift in the economy will hurt their listenership. A satisfied middle class will not be receptive to their lies and invective. The middle class is shrinking and the middle class is the heart and soul of a nation. Domocracy only exists where there is a strong middle class and if Bush understood or cared about this he would never have invaded Iraq.

Posted by: Ronnn | September 14, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama's pig lipstick comments were directly aimed at Palin - just listen the audiance's reaction - they caught it.
In effect he called her a sow with all its connotation. Especially of little girls bullied on playgrounds by being called a sow, especially if they are a bit overweight.
Obama knew exactly what he was doing and doing so deliberately.

Posted by: canadaproud | September 14, 2008 3:00 PM
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Since you're so good at reading minds, how about telling us what Sarah "the pig" Palin meant when she said she was against earmarks after having pushed for, and received, hundreds of millions in special interest earmarks?

Posted by: DWayne | September 14, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain has never been a man of character. At Annapolis he was a punk. Upon graduation... a punk. Got shot down, perhaps because he never took his training seriously, like many people, but because of his family he was a POW celebrity. BFD. After getting back he ditched his first wife and married into an organized crime family so he could use their fortune and connections to launch his political career. But got outed as part of that corrupt network by the Keating Affair. That he whitewashed his sins in the 90s is besides the point: McCain has no character.

You people who think he does have no clue.

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 14, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

It takes two to create a sleazy campaign,
and of course, calling your opponents
campaign sleazy? is a sleazy tactic
in itself. it's odd that two people
in a shouting match, and the democrats
are shouting the loudest
that the republicans are shouting.
well, high road?
I cannot remember anyone having
the audacity to call their opponent
a "liar"
that is unstatesman like,
and is a sleazy tactic.
No To Obama'
Yes To america

Posted by: USA3 | September 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Dear concerned citizens of America and mass media of the U.S.A.

As a concerned disabled American Veteran and American citizen, I consider it my duty and responsibility to address the following critical issues facing the voters of our Greatgrand nation, the United States of America [USA].

1. Does the joint ticket have a calm, cool, and collected " temper and impulse" [Presidential Temperament]?
2. Does each ticket have sound and sustained "Judgment and Caliber"?
3. Does each ticket have a "presidential depth and degree" in regard to their purpose, policies, and positions?
4. Does each ticket have adequate, "understanding and knowledge" of workings around Washington"?
5. Does each ticket have enough "vigor, wisdom and Vision" for the future of our beloved Great-grand Nation?
6. Does each ticket possess enough joint foreign policy experience and exposure based on "American Values, Virtues, Vastness, and strong soul"?
7. Do their campaign talk, slogans, ads, plans, and programs based on facts and are they free of fear, fiction, frivolous labels, unfair attacks, negativity, and impulsivity? [Danger to country and national security].
8. Does the ticket keep country or politics first? [McCain stole Obama's change and is running with it.]
9. Does the ticket move us closer to Culture Divide and war[ Disaster for our nation and economic challenges].
10.Is the campaign surrounded, supported, and arrogated by divisive people, media, politicians, and blusters [Loss of Maverick's as shown by his new shiftiness, shamelessness, and shallowness].

As a Independent registered voter I have decided to vote for the Obama-Biden ticket. I am sure they will protect our national security, strengths, stamina and soul as well as rebuild our nation from the bottom up in all areas of need. The OBAMA-BIDEN ticket will restore our global standing with the use of maximum, firm international diplomacy and minimal force if and when indicated.

Yours sincerely,

COL. A.M. Khajawall [Ret] MD., Forensic psychiatrist, Colonel, US-AR / MC Combat Stress Control[Ret], Disabled American Veteran and Iraq Freedom team.

Posted by: COl. A.M.Khajawall [Ret] | September 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

After seeing Tucker Bounds spin his smarmy little black heart out on all the cable news shows, I keep wondering how many parents would trust this too-slick-by-half slimeball with their daughters. What a masterful liar this dude is... he reminds me too much of that paragon of virtue, Lee Atwater. Where do the rethugs find these reptiles?

Posted by: badgervan | September 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign reportedly sent a response letter to the McCain campaign offering a counter proposal to the 10 town hall sessions first presented. It seems the McCain campaign is the one who has avoided the fact-to-face meetings as the ball was put into their court and this is where the responsibility rests. More McCain campaign distortions.

Posted by: Lou R | September 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

If only Obama had agreed to joint town hall meetings we wouldn't have to run such a dirty campaign. If only Obama had agreed to joint town hall meetings we wouldn't have to run such a dirty campaign. If only Obama had agreed to joint town hall meetings we wouldn't have to run such a dirty campaign.
You'd almost believe it.

Posted by: Doug | September 14, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is a criminal and a lying sack of sh!t.

Posted by: HouseNegro | September 14, 2008 2:58 PM


That's a very denigrating name for you. Don't you think "Uncle Tom" would be more truthful?

Man, you dimtards are a racist bunch.

Posted by: TWOTIMETUNA | September 14, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

So now you're a mind reader? You know what the audience was thinking? Did Jesus tell you while you were speaking in tongues with Sarah Palin?

Posted by: canada proud is a fooking idiot | September 14, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove has reasons to make such comments against the candidate from his own party. There is no way his comment can be taken seriously.

His comment are a sign of divisions, deep divisions in the GOP. McPalin is being chastised publicly for something he did not do or did do against Bush and/or Dick "iwanttotortureeverybody" Cheney.

The messiah is a fool by grabbing into Rove's bait. The only reason the ultra reactionary, election-stealing Rove can have to support The One is that big oil empire is definitely behind His Highness.

Maybe McPalin has not committed to defend the empire as thoroughly as His Highness has promised them.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is GREEDY, CORRUPT, DISHONEST, and CALCULATING.
No wonder McCain decided to put lipstick on this pig and mate with her.
running mate with her that is. loflmao.

Posted by: DWayne | September 14, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama's pig lipstick comments were directly aimed at Palin - just listen the audiance's reaction - they caught it.
In effect he called her a sow with all its connotation. Especially of little girls bullied on playgrounds by being called a sow, especially if they are a bit overweight.
Obama knew exactly what he was doing and doing so deliberately.

Posted by: canadaproud | September 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the McCain people try to deflect from their desperate distortions, outright lies, on-going sleaziness, and refusal to discuss issues by childishly pointing the finger and saying "Obama made me do it." I no longer expect straight talk from the McCain camp, but I still hoped they could act like adults.

Posted by: George82 | September 14, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is a criminal and a lying sack of sh!t.

Posted by: HouseNegro | September 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Curious, Mr. Clean and Fair himself saying something like this. Not that we didn't already know the ads had gone too far. But what's up with it coming from the mouth of the master of dirty campaigning himself?

Posted by: Oh brother! | September 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

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