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Strong Economic Fundamentals? Not in New Obama Ad

By Howard Kurtz
The Ad: (Graphics:) Sept. 15, 2008. Lehman Bros. Collapses. Markets in Turmoil. Job Losses at 605,000 for the Year. Foreclosures at 9,800 a Day. And John McCain Says?

(McCain:) Our economy I think, still, the fundamentals of our economy are strong.

(Graphics:) The fundamentals of our economy are strong?

(McCain:) The fundamentals of our economy are strong.

(Graphics:) How can John McCain fix our economy if he doesn't understand it's broken?

Analysis: This Barack Obama commercial uses the Arizona senator's own words to make him appear out of touch with the havoc wreaked by the Wall Street meltdown -- and therefore is accurate in its portrayal.

The McCain campaign quickly realized that its candidate had struck the wrong note yesterday morning, and soon sent reporters new remarks in which John McCain declared the economy to be "in crisis."

But while McCain may have stumbled politically, his statement is defensible on economic grounds. While Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers have been sold, seized by the government or declared bankruptcy in recent weeks, few would argue that the underpinnings of the American economy are collapsing. Still, the word "strong" is not what most voters want to hear after a one-day stock market plunge of more than 500 points.

The newsreel-style ad, with headlines unfolding to dramatic music, ends with an image that furthers the Illinois senator's "third term" argument -- McCain and President Bush together in front of the White House. Implicit in that picture is that McCain backs the man who presided over the current financial mess, and would represent a continuation of his policies.

The production of this spot in less than 24 hours underscores how modern technology has quickened the pace of campaigning and how the ad wars are increasingly driven by daily developments.

By Web Politics Editor  |  September 16, 2008; 10:20 AM ET
Categories:  Ad Watch , Barack Obama , John McCain  
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Comments

So many posts cite more who they don't want to be elected but there is no way they can vote that view on a yes only ballot. The ballot needs a NO column so they could vote directly against the one they don't like. The highest net yes wins. Why do we have to say we want yucky parsnips to say we don't want yuckier broccoli?

Posted by: Valjean1 | September 18, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"The Washington Post tilts toward the left, printing biased commentary as news, to serve their own agenda."

Posted by: Kevin | September 16, 2008 11:38 AM

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Where there are falsehoods there usually is more media attention.

Posted by: jameo | September 18, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

wunderwood —

You wrote:

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How can so many people actually believe that Barack Obama is a closet Muslim AND a Socialist (are they even compatible philosophies?).
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I don’t know anyone who believes that. I have heard of folks who think he’s a closet Muslim, but I don’t know any. I think it’s strictly conjectural and have no reason to believe it is true. I know folks who think he has lied about having been a Muslim when he was a young boy — and I have no answer, definitively, yet, as to the truth of that. Whether he was or not matters much less to me than the question of whether or not he lied about it. I doubt that issue will be resolved to everyone’s satisfaction any time soon.

I know folks who believe he is a Socialist, and I think that is perfectly possible. It is a very simple bit of deductive reasoning, actually. Every year, the National Journal, which is a strictly non-partisan publisher of reference works, rates every Senator. They use a formula. This last time, it turned out that, according to their ratings, the farthest Left Senator was Barack Obama.

So, how does that make him a Socialist? Well, Bernie Sanders of Vermont has been an avowed Socialist during the great majority of his career, though, since his elevation to the Senate, at least, he has taken the less divisive label of “Independent.” Bernie Sanders, like Barack Obama, is a U.S. Senator. Barack Obama’s voting record was to the left of Bernie Sanders, last year. If Barack Obama is not a Socialist, he’ll do until the real Socialist gets here.

QED

You wrote:

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How can they believe that he hasn't done anything during his time in office and yet is the most liberal Senator since Ted Kennedy?
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See: http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

The rating has to do with each Congresscritter’s voting record over the latest full calendar year (yes, they do the ratings for House members, too). The “hasn’t done anything during his time in office” is a misnomer: it should read, “hasn’t done anything of significance during his time in office,” or, “hasn’t gotten any major legislation through during his time in office.” See? It’s not as bad as you thought.

Again, Barack Obama is not necessarily the most liberal Senator, all things considered. He is simply the one with the most liberal voting record in the most recent period. No matter how long he is in the Senate, one would have to make a comparison that is essentially apples and oranges, between his career and that of others, such as Ted Kennedy, over the course of those worthy’s careers. As those careers plainly occurred during far different times, it’s not an argument that yields simple, clear, or necessarily valid comparisons.

You wrote:

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How can you establish a track record like that if you haven't done anything?
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One hopes that by now, you have begun to comprehend that there is a far more nuanced set of actual facts than you had apparently comprehended, but perhaps you would like to familiarize yourself with the ratings system and get back to us. Your last question was a classic non sequitur. Senator Obama has done something: he has voted. The Senators are rated on their votes.

Merely voting, however, is not doing the hard, careful work of compromising, revising, and rounding up support, often across party lines, if we are speaking of the Senate and it’s arcane rules of debate and filibusters. That work is utterly essential to the process of getting major legislation passed. Senator McCain and Senator Kennedy have both been involved in getting major pieces of legislation passed. Senator Obama has not. I think part of that, to be fair, is Senator Obama’s relatively short tenure in the Senate.

In view of his voting record, however, it is more than plausible that, unlike Senators McCain and Kennedy, Senator Obama has been less willing to compromise for the sake of the greater good. The same cannot be said of Senator McCain. If you will look up his ratings from the National Journal, it should become immediately apparent to you why John McCain has so much trouble with the conservative base of his own party, yet has so much appeal to folks in the middle: the Independents and other “persuadables,” as the pollsters refer to them.

Then, there is the case of the Gang of 14. John McCain led that truly bipartisan group. By opting to band together, they kept the other, more ideologically hide-bound members of both parties from forcing a destructive showdown. They vowed that they would stick together, and actually did so, making it impossible to pursue any course they did not support. Senator Obama could have joined the Gang of 14, if he was actually the sort of person of whom it can accurately be said, “He's very clear from the beginning that we can't do this alone and we need to work across party lines and focus more on uniting than on dividing.” He chose not to do so. That is telling.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/535/

In his book, The Audacity of Hope, Obama states:
“I declined to be a part of what would be called the
Gang of 14

You wrote:

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And besides, I thought John Kerry had that distinction. Thats what FOX news told us last election. Is Kerry jealous of Barack Obama now?
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John Kerry did have that distinction. That was then; this is now (in the immortal words of Jerry Brown). Some on the Left suspect a plot over at the National Journal. That makes no sense: they are in business to sell their wares to all comers, more than half of whom are currently Democrats. Not only that, but when they came up with the rating system under which all are judged, it was a very long time ago: 27 years, if I recall correctly. Perhaps you will recall with me who it was who was the overwhelming favorite to win the Democrat Presidential nomination last summer when the ratings were being compiled: it was Senator Clinton. If your theory held water, it would have been she who earned the most left-of-center ranking, and not Senator Obama. Where did she finish, you might ask? She was the sixteenth most liberal.

Fox News has no corporate link to the National Journal or involvement in its rating system.

Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 16, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Hi George,

I am not sure if a flat tax is a good idea or not. I am doing alright financially, but hardly a millionaire. If I buy a week's worth of groceries for my family or go out to eat, it doesn't cause me anywhere near the financial pain that a person making 30,000 a year would feel for precisely the same expense.

I can afford more taxes because I have more disposable income. The same continues to be true as we advance up the financial ladder, I presume.

I am fully aware that there is a point of diminishing returns, but I have always understood the flat tax to be "regressive" in the sense that the people making less would essentially pay MORE because a larger percentage of their income is already spoken for by the cost of staying alive.

The extremely wealthy can buy a family car or a tri-level suburban house the same way that I can drive to McDonalds and order a Big Mac and Fries. And they feel about the same amount of financial impact, quite frankly. So, while I think that it would be absurd to tax the rich at say 90% of their wealth, it is equally absurd to give them even MORE tax breaks in the current situation.

John McCain used to agree with me. I also think that we need to start having the wealthy pay for their free ride. If they want to leave the "bar" (country) and go to some other country, which one will that be? And at what cost? We could always entertain protectionist policies that forbid them earning wealth in the U.S. if they aren't citizens. No, I wouldn't support that either, but it is sort of the opposite extreme to a flat tax.

The truth is that maybe a flat tax is OK. I would suspect it would have to have exceptions and would end up being not-quite really a flat tax. As long as we can continue to pay for bridge maintenance (as in Minneapolis/St.Paul bridge collapse) and levee maintenance (as in New Orleans) and schools and libraries and highways and police / FBI, etc.. then I would consider supporting it.

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

wunderwood,
then what say you to a flat 10% across the board. No ifs and or buts, loopholes, breaks or anything. Just a flat 10%. Just like state sales tax, or how about making a national sales tax and no taxes on income. That way nomatter who you are you pay taxes and you don't get breaks. eg: sales tax here is a total of 8.25, add the natl tax 10% to that, then sales tax is 18.25, no more filing, no more loopholes, and all govt taxes get paid.

Posted by: george | September 16, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Obamerica

No savior, true.

Life will go on without you, true.

America will continue to be the greatest country...with or without you, not so true.

You jerk.

Posted by: edwcorey | September 16, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

You remember the results of that Wall Street Republican policy. You remember the big boom and the great crash of 1929. You remember that in 1932 the position of the farmer had become so desperate that there was actual violence in many farming communities. You remember that insurance companies and banks took over much of the land of small independent farmers--223,000 farmers lost their farms.

That was a painful lesson. It should not be forgotten for a moment.
...
Our intentions are made clear by our deeds. In this 20th century, every great step forward has come during Democratic administrations of the National Government. Every movement backward has come under Republican auspices, and it is the people who have paid dearly for these reactionary moves.

Too much is now at stake--here and throughout the world--to take the wrong path now.

There is one way to stop the forces of reaction.

Get every vote out on election day, and make it count. You can't afford to waste your votes this year.

I'm not asking you just to vote for me. Vote for yourselves! Vote for your farms! Vote for the standard of living that you have won under a Democratic administration!

Get out there on election day, and vote for your future!

---Harry S. Truman, September 18, 1948

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Nice try, George, but the bar room scenario is way too simplistic. Let's also remember that those same rich folks are ALREADY going overseas with American jobs and they ALREADY have had huge tax cuts.

Barack Obama wants to eliminate tax loopholes and removing tax cuts for companies moving overseas.

Your description of the tax situation is, as I said, simplistic and unrealistic. It also has been used for decades now to justify giving the rich huge tax benefits.

Slight change of subject but did you know that in order to be in the list of Fortune 400 Richest Americans you can't be a paltry multi-millionaire? Even those single digit billionaires are left out. Just the multi-billionaires are in that club. The ultra rich are in a league of their own. Just like they were before the last "Great Depression".

Now that is a scary thought... I wonder if we may have to start numbering our economic depressions like we had to start numbering our world wars... After the "Great War" we had a second one and the first became just "World War 1".

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Tax payer said: "...If you raise the taxes on the rich they are just going to pass that down the line. I know if I lived off of 100k a yr and you took 20k from that I would have to make up for that 20k or I wouldn’t be able to pay my bills. So how would this help our economy? ... "

Tax payer, if you were making $100K a year, you would be getting more from the Obama administration than from the McCain administration. Here are the numbers:

$66K to $112K --> McCain Tax Cut: $1,009 Obama Tax Cut: $1,290

I think you need to change your example to something HIGHER. How about if you make a million dollars a year? Now you are getting closer to McCain country. Obama is interested in tax cuts for the middle class. McCain is going to cut taxes for the rich.

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh and as for the McCain voting the same as Bush on things. Well, that goes for some democrats as well. Remember it takes both sides to pass bills. But hey, at least Obama voted, if you can call voting present a vote.

Posted by: Tax payer | September 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

As far as taxes go, heres a simple version. And an example as to why taxing the rich more wont help. (I'm far from rich and know taxing them more is a bad idea).

BAR ROOM ECONOMICS – HOW THE TAX SYSTEM WORKS

Suppose that every day, ten people go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20." Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get their "fair share"?

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everyone's share, then the fifth and the sixth would each end up being paid to drink their beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each drinker's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so:

The fifth person, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the drinkers began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth. She pointed to the tenth man, "but he got $10!" "Yes, that's right," exclaimed the fifth. "I only saved a dollar too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I did" "That's true!!" shouted the seventh. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor"

The nine drinkers surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible!

Posted by: George | September 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Under Obamas tax plan he wants to have the rich pay more in taxes then the poor. Why should they have to pay more then anyone else? They work for their pay just like you do. What if I said that everyone that makes 50k a yr would be taxed just so I can give it to poor countries? That’s what Obama said he will do.

If you raise the taxes on the rich they are just going to pass that down the line. I know if I lived off of 100k a yr and you took 20k from that I would have to make up for that 20k or I wouldn’t be able to pay my bills. So how would this help our economy? No if you cut the taxes for the rich they will be able to use that income to grow the businesses and create jobs. If you look at the unemployment rate from mid 01 you’ll see that the unemployment rate only went up after 911 happened. At that point the World economy took a dive. That was NOT the Bush administrations fault. After that the unemployment rate went up by 2%. But after mid 03 AFTER the Bush tax breaks the unemployment rate started dropping. As of Jan 06 it was a little over 4.6%. I’d say that’s pretty dang good. That was all the Bush administrations doing. Then the democrats took control and the economy took a dive. Funny how that works out.

A vote for Obama is a vote for terrorism and poverty for all Americans.

And just to bring the light back in, you guys want to vote a guy into the white house that spent his whole life surrounded by people like Ayers and Wright! Are you blind or what?

Posted by: Tax payer | September 16, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain is out of touch. This TV ad is "spot on"! I will relish to hear how the GOP'ers will whine about this one. This one reeks of truth as opposed to the McCain ads.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

If I had voted for Bush either time, by now I would be PISSED and at least a little bit embarrassed. I doubt I would be yelling and screaming for more of the same.

I am not sure what the hell has gone wrong with about half of this country.

How can so many people actually believe that Barack Obama is a closet Muslim AND a Socialist (are they even compatible philosophies?).

How can they believe that he hasn't done anything during his time in office and yet is the most liberal Senator since Ted Kennedy? How can you establish a track record like that if you haven't done anything? And besides, I thought John Kerry had that distinction. Thats what FOX news told us last election. Is Kerry jealous of Barack Obama now?

It just seems to me like folks that supported eight years of torture, lies and misery would finally start to back away from this but they keep on begging for more of the same. It is really bizarre behavior.

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

There are only three facts that are important to me right now in this election:

1) John McCain has supported every corporate de-regulation scheme in the book in the last 20 or so years. He failed miserably to regulated S&Ls in the 80s (which everyone has apparently forgotten about). Now he and his closest allies have failed miserably to regulate banks in the last 8 years. His advisor, Phil Gramm, is directly responsible for much of the deregulation that made the mortgage crisis possible. I will admit that overly rigid regulation does stagnate business, but the complete laissez faire economy advocated strongly by Mccain and the GOP for the last 20 years is a disaster.

2) My 401Ks and kids' college funds lost an astounding $30K yesterday. Yeah, I know I am luckier than most to have that kind of money, but I scrapped and saved and did everything to save it and put as much in my accounts as I could possibly afford. We have been managing investing away from banks, but you can't shield yourself from a corporate meltdown of this proportion.

3) Obama's got a great, bipartisan (and middle of the road) economic team in place, with concrete plans (for those of you who don't believe me, check the Economist or other business sources). He doesn't need to appoint a 'commission' to study the economy because he actually listens to people and understands it.

Let the smart, young guy have a turn for Pete's sake! There will surely be some missteps in his administration, as in any, but John McCain DOES NOT deserve another shot with our economy!

Posted by: Angry saver | September 16, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Mccains plan for the ecomomy-

Put Phil Gramm in charge to continue Bush's successful policies.

Drill everywhere. Sell it to china.

Give oil companies, big corporations and filty rich more tax cuts.

Screw the poor, those whiners, show them what real hard times really look like.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain believes the economy is fundamentally strong. Commentators pose that everyone really knows the economy is sound despite the news. Therefore the Barack ad is wrong. However, no one provides any examples of how the economy is "strong or sound." By every measure I could come up with, the economy is not strong: Federal Debt; federal deficit; federal trade deficit; stock market; credit availability; unemployment , housing, construction, and manufacturing statistics; relatively weak dollar; enormous personal debt; foreclosures; level of bankruptcy, personal and business; inflation; lack of job and income growth; lack of investment in infrastructure; and complex energy issues. None of these indicators provide any measure of confidence. Do I think the U.S. economy is going to completely implode ala 1929- no, as long as the Republicans aren't re-elected - but by no measure listed can it be described as strong and maybe not even sound at its core. Please, provide me some of the specifics that you claim lacking in the campaign of Obama.

Also, please explain how a candidate can provide "specifics" about economics in a campaign stump speech where complex economic theory must be boiled down to an 8th grader level, full of sound bites, in order to be understood. If you want specifics, why don't you read his campaign position papers. Media could use some of your TV and magazine time to explain Obama's positions and compare and contrast with the McCain's positions, including keeping the Bush taxcuts, balancing the budget with deficit of a minimum of $500B by cutting $18B in earmarks [without a line item veto], Republican opposition to sound regulation, and getting rid of the lobbyists that run his campaign. Considering his number one economic adviser is part of the cause of the Wall Street meltdown, I think such factual comparisons would overwhelmingly favor Obama for those willing to read something other than the sports page.

It would sure be nice to read comments that discuss issues such as these instead of so many partisan hacks calling each other names.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM

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Great post. But nobody cares about the facts. If ya go to You Tube and look up the hearings to impeach Bush, you'll find about a hundred hits on the clip. If you look up Paris or Brittany, you'll find millions. These people vote for the coolest name, or the sexy girl. The last ten years have destroyed the country but they'll keep voting for more. I think the media has them whipped.

Posted by: Hemi | September 16, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Sierra Club endorsed Barack Obama

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/sierra-club-endorses-obama-47062003?click=main_sr

Daily Green reports on the two candidates energy plans. According to this site, John McCain talks about it but doesn't have anything solid to say.

"Sen. John McCain
The Plan: Like most of his fellow Republican candidates, McCain has not outlined a detailed energy plan. But he has discussed the issue in greater detail, and pledged to promote a detailed plan if elected.
What He Supports: Cutting carbon dioxide emissions to combat global warming through support of nuclear power, clean coal and some new fossil fuel exploration in the United States.
What Sets Him Apart: In 2003, he sponsored the first Senate bill to counteract global warming by capping greenhouse gas emissions. Other Republicans in the race are tepid about the issue, setting McCain far, far apart. He's won the endorsement of Republicans for Environmental Protection."

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/john-mccain-green-vote-47102501

They think a lot more highly of Barack Obama:

"Barack Obama
The Plan: Obama would enact a $150 billion, 10-year plan to slash greenhouse gas emissions by 80% and invest in renewable and alternative energy technology, including biofuels and clean coal.
How He'd Pay for It: An auction of carbon credits from a cap-and-trade greenhouse gas pollution regulation.
What Sets Him Apart: Creation of an independent, private Clean Technologies Deployment Venture Capital Fund, funded with $10 billion for five years, to invest in technology development."


http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/Barack-Obama-green-vote-47102504?click=main_sr

The bottom line? If you care about energy and the environment, make sure who you are voting for.

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Only when FDR and Truman were in office was the USA the most powerful country on the face of the earth. We had the bomb.
Now even Pakistan has nukes. True power now is economic power. We are running short of that because of Bush and his policies. Elect mccain. Watch the country go down the drain.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

this whole thing is an obamanation....

Posted by: tricky dick | September 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

seems to me....great depression, indeed..wait until nobody can pay their credit card bills...boy..then you'll get your greater depression...or maybe..a vast bail out of the electorate.

Posted by: tricky dick | September 16, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I have a problem with this article. It seems to me to be of two, mutually contradictory minds:

"Analysis: This Barack Obama commercial uses the Arizona senator's own words to make him appear out of touch with the havoc wreaked by the Wall Street meltdown -- and therefore is accurate in its portrayal."

BUT, ...

"... while McCain may have stumbled politically, his statement is defensible on economic grounds."

AND,

"... few would argue that the underpinnings of the American economy are collapsing."

Howard Kurtz seems to be suffering from massive cognitive dissonance.

Here is the kicker — McCain was taken out of context (not that plenty of that hasn’t happened on both sides, but how many of us are willing to freely admit that fact?):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1wag6M8_aQ

See also:

http://thepage.time.com/2008/09/15/mccain-stumps-in-florida/

What McCain actually said:

“You know that there’s been tremendous turmoil in our financial markets and Wall Street, and it is … it’s … people are frightened by these events. Our economy, I think, still, the fundamentals of our economy are strong, but these are very, very difficult times, and I promise you we will never put America in this position again. We will clean up Wall Street. We will reform government, and this is a failure.”

He also said we are, “the most innovative, the most productive, the greatest exporter, the greatest importer …”

McCain’s amplification:

“The American economy is in crisis,"

“The economic crisis is not the fault of the American people,” McCain said. “Our workers are the most innovative, the hardest working, the best skilled, the most productive, the most competitive in the world. That's the American worker. And my opponents may disagree, but those fundamentals -- the American worker and their innovation, their entrepreneurship, the small business, those are the fundamentals of America, and I think they're strong. But they are being threatened today. Those fundamentals are being threatened today because of the greed and corruption that some engaged in on Wall Street, and we have got to fix it.”

“Those are the fundamentals of America and I think they're strong, but they are being threatened today,” he continued.

Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Damed-
Nobody's asking you to vote for somebody who hates America. Obama obviously loves America enough do go up against brainwashed nincompoops like you who are trying to ruin America on behalf of your rich phony republican leaders.

Posted by: Charles | September 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama, man, you are no savior. Life will go one without you, trust me. America will continue to be the greatest country on the face of the Earth with or without you. You jerk.

Posted by: Obamerica | September 16, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

This is one of those cyclical things that happens once in a century. Its called a great depression. Its just started. These will be looked upon as the good times. Bush is this century's Hoover.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

ALL POSTERS: We do need to get off oil! When we do it, gasoline will eventually drop well below $1 simply because a totally new source of energy will be tapped ... solar based no doubt. Almost every form of energy we use now is solar based, including petroleum which was originated from green plants of the past powered just like green plants of today ... by the Sun. Hydro power is solar based: the water cycle. Nuclear is non-solar (unless we start mining and fusing solar-based helium from the Moon).

Posted by: Mark | September 16, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what Obama says now. He is a liar just like all other politicians. But tell me what he did before he want to be elected president. Now he is the choosen one, right, but by who? Show me why I should vote for a guy who hates America.

Posted by: Damed | September 16, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

if this is the best our country can do for presidential candidates, then the era of Idiocracy is surely here. One preaches "change", which is probably what he wants in his pockets. The other doesn't know what day it is. And, they are both bought and sold by the K street crew. some choice. anyone else running for president?

Posted by: tricky dick | September 16, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

@Mark... "All three branches, the congress, executive and judiciary have failed."

Nope. Less than 2 years ago was the first time the Democrats have been in control of much... You blame both parties for the problems but even now the Democratic party has hardly any power because of it's paper thin majority.

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

According to Boston Globe:

Jewish voters report calls disparaging Obama

MIAMI—Jewish voters in Florida and at least one other state are being targeted by a telephone survey tying Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to Palestinian causes, an advocacy group alleged Monday.

The Jewish Council for Education in Research says at least two women in separate states were push polled, or asked questions intended to influence voters while pretending to take a poll, on Sunday afternoon from a caller who said he was from Research Strategies.

Joelna Marcus says she became uncomfortable when the caller asked if she was Jewish, whether she was Orthodox and how often she attends synagogue.

The caller then asked if Marcus would be influenced if she learned that Obama had donated money to the Palestine Liberation Organization. The caller also asked how she would vote if she learned that someone on the Illinois senator's staff had close ties to Palestine.

Marcus, a 71-year-old former college professor, said she was furious.

"I said you're not polling me. This is un-American. This is unacceptable," said Marcus, a snowbird who lives in New Jersey and has a house in Key West. "And then this is the scary part. He said if you had not said that you were Jewish, you would have been disqualified."

Deborah Minden, who lives in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood in Pittsburgh received a similar call Sunday afternoon. After asking basic demographic information, Minden, 56, said the caller said, "I'm going to ask you some things about Sen. Obama and you tell me if it would make you more or less likely to vote for him."

The poller then ticked off a list of accusations including that Obama's church had made anti-Semitic statements and that Obama had met with Hamas leaders.

A spokesman for Sen. John McCain, who is on a two-day swing in Florida, did not immediately comment Monday night.

"We see this as a disturbing but not unexpected ratcheting up of the kind of misinformation and outright lies about Obama's record that we've literally seen since he declared his candidacy," said Mik Moore, co-executive director of the Jewish Council for Education & Research. The organization has endorsed Obama for president.

During the Republican presidential primaries, McCain alleged push polling had taken place and asked for an investigation into thousands of calls to New Hampshire voters that disparaged him and supported rival Mike Huckabee

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/09/16/jewish_voters_report_calls_disparaging_obama/

Interesting that McCain is accused of using the same tactics now that he accused others of previously. Spin spin spin.

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The next president can ease the pain of whats next or his advisors like Phil Gramm can make it considerably worse.
Im sure none of Gramms friends lost any money in the housing collapse.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl is right on target with her comments and knowledge of what's going on. Everyone should read her assessment of the current situation.

Posted by: Ken | September 16, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

@Mike/Asheville NC: I never said anyone is going to get gasoline for $2/gallon again. Where did I say that?

You know what though, it probably will just as economics go in cycles. You are probably too young to remember that in 1998-1999 some of us were regularly paying less than $1 per gallon for regular unleaded. This was after dire warnings back in the 1970's that by 2000, we’d be paying more than $10.00 per gallon.

We are in the mess we’re in today partly because of our faulty two-party system. It pains me to see that some other democracies in the world have no-party systems and direct elections for their leaders while we claim to be the “best” country on the planet. As the “best” country anywhere we let ourselves get suckered into Iraq by both Republicans and Democrats. All three branches, the congress, executive and judiciary have failed. They are controlled by Democrats and Republicans, and both of these parties have failed their supporters. I’ve visited and lived in other countries so I know what I’m talking about. Let me add that problems exist everywhere and our country is really in the top group of nations. It’s just that we need to get rid of the political party system.

@Anonymous, get a clue about basic government: Take basic civics and if you’re not brainwashed too badly, maybe you will discover that congress has more than 100 members! You forgot about the House of Representatives? Whoops!

@Anonymous, please get a basic elementary education in other areas too. Your spelling and grammar is atrocious. Or, are you proving that the brainwashed left is as “disgustingly arrogant and ignorant” as the brainwashed right (where did you copy and paste that from?). I guess I don’t have a clue either because as an independent ... I am in the brainwashed middle.

@Anonymous, you may want to use a name (even if it’s not your real name) just to separate you from the other Anonymouses out there, many of whom are non-brainwashed people.

Posted by: Mark | September 16, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow! McCain set a new land speed record for flip-flopping. He flip-flopped within hours.

Note to press -- a little editing is in order: just change "strong" to "at risk". McFlip simply misspoke. He wasn't wrong, or out of touch. He meant to say "at risk" but since risk-taking is his "strong" suit, he got his words all jumbled up.

Now watch him pull a rabbit out of his ass. I meant to say hat -- really! I just misspoke. :)

Posted by: McFlipFlop | September 16, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The fundamentals of our economy are strong... for millionaires. Relax, McPalin base, your tax cuts are coming soon. Continue to keep your cash in off-shore banks and outsource your work to foreign countries. Those fundamentals are stronger than ever.

Posted by: McPalin | September 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

And any 6th grader who took basic economics will tell you why it will fail.

Change isn't always for the better.>>

Posted by: NObama

Sixth-grader, hmmm? Which leaves you out. And while change isn't always for the better, there's a story in the NYT about children and their eating habits:

"Young children are naturally neophobic — they have a distrust of the new." http://community.nytimes.com/article/comments/2008/09/15/health/healthspecial2/15eat.html

That explains children. But conservatives? What do they have in common with children? Ignorance.

Posted by: edwcorey | September 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

And any 6th grader who took basic economics will tell you why it will fail.

Change isn't always for the better.>>

Posted by: NObama

Sixth-grader, hmmm? Which leaves you out. And while change isn't always for the better, there's a story in the NYT about children and their eating habits:

"Young children are naturally neophobic — they have a distrust of the new." http://community.nytimes.com/article/comments/2008/09/15/health/healthspecial2/15eat.html

That explains children. But conservatives? What do they have in common with children? Ignorance.

Posted by: edwcorey | September 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Mccains economic plan:

Return to a strict interpretation of the constitution like the forefathers intended.

Shrink government so as not to interfere with an individuals rights especially if that individual is a corporation.

If that isnt enough then reinstitute some form of slavery and or draft.

Finally if all else fails start another war.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Mccains economic plan:

Return to a strict interpretation of the constitution like the forefathers intended.

Shrink government so as not to interfere with an individuals rights especially if that individual is a corporation.

If that isnt enough then reinstitute some form of slavery and or draft.

Finally if all else fails start another war.

Posted by: back again | September 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is talking about filling tax loopholes and killing tax cuts for companies moving overseas."

No wonder the right wing hates him so much.

Posted by: wunderwood | September 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

ujczom

Do you really think approval ratings are 100 percent of the total of a state? Come on! Do you really think all these people would travel up to Alaska to demonstrate against Sarah Palin? Come on!

Maybe there are people who DONT LIKE HER who live in that state and this was a represenation of those people.

Could that be it? Yeah they might support Obama - but so what? They wouldn't have demonstrated against Palin if they supported McCain.

There are only two choices in this election and if you know more about one candidate that makes you angy - you tend to go to for the other. You betcha there are people who have disliked Sarah and those that now dislike her because the press (and others) have revealed her own abuses.

Posted by: Sammycait | September 16, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Point-by-Point - McCain is a liar and HYPOCRITE:

1) The man who "supports women" called his wife a "trollop" and a "c'nt"

2) The man who can't remember how many houses he owns cries "elitist!"

3) The man who said "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should, and "I believe the fundamentals of this economy are strong," cries "economy!"

4) The man whose running mate denies man made global warming cries "environment!"

5) The man with ZERO executive experience cries "executive experience!"

6) The man who chaired the committee that set a record for unauthorized appropriations cries "I'll make them famous!"

7) The man who voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time cries "change!"

8) The man who knowingly spreads malicious lies cries "honor!"

9) The man whose campaign is run by lobbyists cries "no more lobbyists!"

10) The man whose running mate has a pregnant, unmarried 17-year-old daughter cries "abstinence!"

11) The man who cheated on his ailing wife cries "family values!"

12) The man who can't tell Sunni and Shia apart cries "judgment!"

13) The man who picked the least experienced VP candidate in history cries "country first!"

14) The man who got caught in the Keating Five scandal cries "integrity!"

15) The man who joked about Chelsea Clinton being "ugly" cries "offensive!"

16) The man whose party mocks community service cries "service!"

17) The man who supported abolishing the Department of Education cries "education!"

18) The man whose family was raped by Karl Rove in 2000 cries "get me Karl Rove!"

19) The man who fought against the Bush tax cuts cries "permanent Bush tax cuts!"

20) The man who called Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents of intolerance" cries "I love Falwell and Roberston!"

21) The man who touts his running mate as a "reformer" cries "get me more Bush veterans for her staff!"

Posted by: Tim | September 16, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

To those who feed on an irrational fear of socialism,

The people who do the real, productive work are underpaid. Cost of living outpacing wages by a factor >3:1 over last 1/2 century. We did all the work. C.E.O.s took all the profit, essentially by force. CEO pay : Worker pay was 20:1, is now 500:1. Two full-time workers can afford less for their family than one full-time worker could 50 years ago.

We workers make the stuff we cannot afford to buy. Top 1% take almost everything.

We wouldn't need social programs if we were appropriatly paid what we earn, which is at least three times what we get now. McCain and Phil Gramm's ilk are the "nation of whiners" WHO BITE THE HANDS THAT FEED THEM.

The fat cats of the republican party are the real, lazy, welfare bums. Oh, and their complete hypocrites. Wake up and smell the coffee, non-rich republicans. You've been supporting people who laugh at you behind your back.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step.
Vote Democratic.

Posted by: Charles | September 16, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain believes the economy is fundamentally strong. Commentators pose that everyone really knows the economy is sound despite the news. Therefore the Barack ad is wrong. However, no one provides any examples of how the economy is "strong or sound." By every measure I could come up with, the economy is not strong: Federal Debt; federal deficit; federal trade deficit; stock market; credit availability; unemployment , housing, construction, and manufacturing statistics; relatively weak dollar; enormous personal debt; foreclosures; level of bankruptcy, personal and business; inflation; lack of job and income growth; lack of investment in infrastructure; and complex energy issues. None of these indicators provide any measure of confidence. Do I think the U.S. economy is going to completely implode ala 1929- no, as long as the Republicans aren't re-elected - but by no measure listed can it be described as strong and maybe not even sound at its core. Please, provide me some of the specifics that you claim lacking in the campaign of Obama.

Also, please explain how a candidate can provide "specifics" about economics in a campaign stump speech where complex economic theory must be boiled down to an 8th grader level, full of sound bites, in order to be understood. If you want specifics, why don't you read his campaign position papers. Media could use some of your TV and magazine time to explain Obama's positions and compare and contrast with the McCain's positions, including keeping the Bush taxcuts, balancing the budget with deficit of a minimum of $500B by cutting $18B in earmarks [without a line item veto], Republican opposition to sound regulation, and getting rid of the lobbyists that run his campaign. Considering his number one economic adviser is part of the cause of the Wall Street meltdown, I think such factual comparisons would overwhelmingly favor Obama for those willing to read something other than the sports page.

It would sure be nice to read comments that discuss issues such as these instead of so many partisan hacks calling each other names.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

[The McCain campaign quickly realized that its candidate had struck the wrong note yesterday morning, and soon sent reporters new remarks in which John McCain declared the economy to be "in crisis."]

Politics as usual.

The fact is, Obama is a socialist. Government should assist business, not take over business. We do not need to nationalize the health care industry, or nationalize energy companies through windfall profit taxes, or retain GSE's that buy and repackage mortgages.

Keep government out of business, keep taxes on business low, and the economy will thrive. That is NOT what Obama is advocating.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:45 PM

________________________

Are we supposed to let Wall Street, with it's never ending pursuit of growth dictate Health Care policy. You can't win at this game of More More More. And Obama is talking about filling tax loopholes and killing tax cuts for companies moving overseas. Why the hell should we pay to lose our jobs. I don't think you know what your talking about. Just like McCain.

Posted by: Hemi | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has a detailed plan of how he will fix our economy."

And any 6th grader who took basic economics will tell you why it will fail.

Change isn't always for the better.

Posted by: NObama | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

According to the AP: "In July, the four Democrats and eight Republicans on Alaska's Legislative Council voted unanimously to investigate the circumstances of Monegan's dismissal. Although Monegan was an at-will employee who could be fired for almost any reason, lawmakers wanted to see whether Palin tried to use her office to settle a personal score with Wooten."

Dubya and Cheney waited until they were in office before starting with the scandals. We have several already with Palin! More entertainment for middle America! And more tax breaks for those declaring over $250,000 a year! Everyone wins!

Posted by: A PONY! | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry everybody. We live in a "World Economy". Not a US Economy. If one of us is in trouble, I'm sure China, Europe, and the Middle East and the rest of the world will help us out. After all we've helped them out. We help the whole world, they owe us. We freed Iraq, Afghanistan, we made China what it is today. They are not going to let us fail. They love us right? This is a "World Economy" and we're all in it together.

Posted by: jw360 | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

In order to pay off the national debt.

1. declare bankruptcy.

2. start world war three and wait for the
dust to settle.

3. reinstate slavery combined with a drsft

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

According to the AP: "In July, the four Democrats and eight Republicans on Alaska's Legislative Council voted unanimously to investigate the circumstances of Monegan's dismissal. Although Monegan was an at-will employee who could be fired for almost any reason, lawmakers wanted to see whether Palin tried to use her office to settle a personal score with Wooten."

Dubya and Cheney waited until they were in office before starting with the scandals. We have several already with Palin! More entertainment for middle America! And more tax breaks for those declaring over $250,000 a year! Everyone wins!

Posted by: A PONY! | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"I dont think either of these guys Barack or Johnny Boy have a clue., Ive put up a Hillary 2012 sign in my yard. Ive given up on the 2008 election. People everywhere feel like I do. They have started have a web site to start your candidates campaign early skip 08"

THANKS! My vote counts more this time! Anyone else what to not vote please? I really do appreciate it!

Posted by: PLEASE DON'T VOTE | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

You gotta love the theories of Economy 101 classes most people never attended. The mantra spewers..."the economy is good, the economy is thriving, stay out of the way of business, don't tax it and it will all be taken care of." You will convince yourself of this until you lose your job. Your wages are going down in relationship to the cost of living - that has been true for YEARS!! Your children are doing far worse than you did at their age and will they ever own a house? The government ships in Technical workers from other countries so they can take our jobs and who are paid less. We lose our technological edge because our KIDS aren’t going into those fields anymore. The American Dream is now what exactly??? Please don't just quote anything that a political party tells you to quote. Look around. If John McCain meant to say "worker" instead of now claiming that the word "fundamental" meant "worker" because he DOESN'T get that we as a nation are on the precipice of financial failure then he should just go home and do us all a favor. He isn't COUNTRY FIRST for God's sake. He's in an election and it is JOHN first. For those that say all is well is like Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burned. There’s more coming honey and leaders who don’t have the where with all to recognize it shouldn’t be given the opportunity to fail if they are elected. They should never get that far.

Posted by: sskepticall | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

According to the AP: "In July, the four Democrats and eight Republicans on Alaska's Legislative Council voted unanimously to investigate the circumstances of Monegan's dismissal. Although Monegan was an at-will employee who could be fired for almost any reason, lawmakers wanted to see whether Palin tried to use her office to settle a personal score with Wooten."

Dubya and Cheney waited until they were in office before starting with the scandals. We have several already with Palin! More entertainment for middle America! And more tax breaks for those declaring over $250,000 a year! Everyone wins!

Posted by: A PONY! | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Your wrote:

"Keep government out of business, keep taxes on business low, and the economy will thrive. That is NOT what Obama is advocating."

well let's see....

Last year, 2007, Alaska's legislature approved a major tax increase on those windfall profits of the oil industry. The state of Alaska has received more than $10 billion this year from oil revenue.

Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before. The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account. Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family).

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in.

Will she do the same for the Lower 49 states?

GEE, is it what Palin advocates?

AND....


Sarah Palin’s portrait as a fiscal conservative when she ran the city of Wasilla, Alaska, as its mayor from 1996 to 2002. However, the truth is during her 6 years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33 percent.

According to figures provided by the city of Wasilla, the operating budget for Wasilla went from $6,050,160 in fiscal year 1996 to $9,393,768 in 2002. That’s a 55 percent increase.

A huge increases in tax revenues during her administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though; borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library?

No! $1 million for a park, $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex...She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 years without any borrowing.

Ms. Palin ordered city employees not to talk to the press. And she used city money to buy a white Suburban for the mayor’s use — employees sarcastically called it the mayor-mobile.

The fiscal year ending 1996 (when Palin took the reins), which showed the city’s long-term debt at $1.12 million, mostly for paving and sewer projects. The annual financial report for fiscal year ending June 30, 2002 — Palin’s last year in office — shows that the total long-term debt was $24.8 million. Long-term debt increased $23.7 million.

From $1.1 million to $23.7million – that is one large increase.

OOOHHH, THOSE REPUBLICAN ECONOMICS…GOLLY GEE


AND....

“Porky” Palin – hey, as it turns out, that pig does wear lipstick….wow!!!

After McCain said earlier this year that he won't "spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," Politico reports that as governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin requested millions of dollars to study the DNA of harbor seals, among other things (including research on the mating habits of crabs.)
Intelligent people everywhere are both amused and appalled that Palin, who claims she is conservative when it comes to earmarks, would request federal money for a project nearly identical to one that McCain has mocked. The earmark is yet another example of how McCain and Palin are "hypocrites and liars."

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/11/02449/9021

At the end of the clip, John McCain promises that he'll make the names of wasteful government spenders "famous."

Apparently, he kept his pledge: he picked one of them to be his veep.

“We’re not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana,” McCain has said during this year’s campaign, referring to a study he’s mocked for years of whether grizzlies need to keep their status as an endangered species.

Palin, meanwhile, has requested $3.2 million to be spent in part researching the “genetics of harbor seals,”

"Senator McCain said Governor Palin ‘learned that earmarks are bad’, but in 2008 alone Gov. Palin requested $256 million in earmarks for Alaska, and her state received more earmarks per person that any other state," said spokesman Tommy Vietor.

"The fact is that Governor Palin isn’t just good at getting pork projects, she’s one of the most successful pork barrel politicians in history."

OINK, OINK, BABE


Yea, those republicans know how to run things...just look at where we are today...oops.

Reaganomics = retardonomics.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

In order to pay off the national debt.

1. declare bankruptcy.

2. start world war three and wait for the
dust to settle.

3. reinstate slavery combined with a drsft

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Anort:

Do you know the definition of "Racist?"

You sure are ignorant.

Obama has a detaild plan of how he will fix our economy. McSame has not offer any plan.

Please don't write anymore, you make yourself look like a fool.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama's message - socialism for America NOW!

1) The war is Iraq is a failure - we need to pull out now!

2) The economy is a disaster - we a massive change to a social style economy.

3) Big business is a failure - we need to tax big business more for their crimes.

3) American is broken - we need a savior like me now!

McCain's Message - Freedom works!

1) We are winning in Iraq due to the surge. It is important that we protect our nation's interest in the Middle East.

2) The economy has cycles. The underlying fundamentals of business in America is strong. We will endure.

3) Bigger government is not better government. Less government is better for jobs and for the economy.

Conclusion:

Obama wants to throw in the towel on everything! He believes we are all victims and that the government need to control every detail of our lives.

It looks like McCain understand a lot more about how America works than Obama, and he has confidence in America.

Posted by: Rick F | September 16, 2008 1:38 PM

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Ya know what, you have to be completely brain dead. Why the hell should we give companies tax breaks to move overseas. Pay them to fire us. That's real smart. Our country is 11 trillion in the hole. We're borrowing money from China to buy Saudi oil. We don't produce squat in this country anymore, so how do you expect to pay back the debt? We're out of oil! No matter how much you Drill Drill Drill you will never get enough oil out of the ground in this country to fulfill our needs. And what kind of moron wants to win a war that should've never been started in the first place. Even dumb azzz Bush has said Iraq had nothing to do with 9,11 or WMD's. I guess a million innocent people blown to hell isn't enough for ya. And if you call the melt down of our Financial Institutions a business cycle, your dumber than McCain.

Posted by: Hemi | September 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Hold your breathe folks.

If AIG fails it will dwarf what has happened so far........

Fed announcement on interest rates expected in ten minutes.

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Hold your breathe folks.

If AIG fails it will dwarf what has happened so far........

Fed announcement on interest rates expected in ten minutes.

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Typical Washington COMPOST article. Almost as funny as some of the comments.

Posted by: Chuck | September 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Mel Brooks once played Mccain as a young senator in The history of the world Part 1.

His line was " F**K the Poor " if i remember it correctly.

Thats still his line.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

This should be a wake-up call to the lipstick wavers and soccer mom chanters. There are serious national and international issues going on. In the face of crisis, denial in the form of adulation is not an appropriate road to conclusions. Reform is not about guile, alienation or stonewalling. There have been many a dangerous leader that could give a good speech and mix charm with aggression. (Aggression is expensive and as of today we further decrease our ability to pay for it). The previous 'just like us' elections turned out to be a devastating dissapointment. Loss of lives, homes, jobs, money in the bank. Really listen to issues on the tickets and see beyond appearances. Use your intuition and beware of hype because there is always an equal and opposite to it. The architecture of this kind of grandstanding is a weak platform to hold up for long. The quality of life for all Americans and around the globe are at stake. Please be smart and listen for the best specific solutions to these tremendous problems. There is power in objectivity just as there is in the personal empowerment of voting. We are doing the hiring so look at the whole of each resume... track records, approach and plans. It's time for pause. I'm relying on other women to put our best God-given qualities of perception, incisiveness and truth-meters to good use. The imperative is look beyond slogans and seek solutions and detail driven campaigns. AlohaAkamai (akamai means smart in Hawaiian) Apologies for the pedantics but everything has its time and place. (smile)

Posted by: Alohaakamai | September 16, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The fundamentals are not strong. There is an inbalance between capital vs. labor, government sector vs. true private sector and today's wealthy vs. next generation. This is caused by supply side tax policies that encourage pooling of unproductive wealth at the top instead of NEW wealth creation. It is also caused by the Republican obsession that the government can be run for the profit of corporations at tax payer expense. Obama is proposing a more balanced approach. Not more tax but a shift in taxes to reward both labor and PRODUCTIVE use of capital. Not bigger government but government that provides sensible services and regulations instead of "government for profit of corporations" that stifles the true private sector. These are the FUNDAMENTALS that need adjustment if we are going to start creating wealth again instead of just redistributing it.

Posted by: cmnsns | September 16, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

MN Lost Boy,

Yeah and the "Correction" is going to destroy the middle class.

Posted by: jw360 | September 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

jeez, if you vote mccain your a right winged bible thumping homophobe. And if you vote Obama your a left wing tree hugging homo.

Atleast that's the majority of what i've learned from this blog.
Like it or not we are gonna be stuck with one of these two. So Put the attacks aside and actually discuss the issues... or attack me for poor grammar and write me off as a bible thumping idiot...

Posted by: george | September 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who gets elected..so why bother? It doesn't matter because Americans are asleep...steeped in unconsciousness and narcissism. The nation is soul sick to the core. We did the right thing after 911...which was to Unify. But this didn't last...it was back to corruption and partisan hacks as usual. The USA is hopelessly entangled in a culture war. 50% of the country is uneducated, has IQ's or 100 or lower, loves guns and actually believes the bible is an inspired book. This regardless of what the actual content of the book are or the facts of history. But they will go on believing in a false god that orders the massacre of babies. American is going down the tubes...it already is. Good bye USA. Lol

Posted by: Cynical | September 16, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama presents a six point strategy to address the problem. McCain wants to have a commission study it. Mr. McCain should not be criticized. Annapolis is not highly rated for economics, other than federal funding for the military-industrial complex.

Posted by: Larry Linn | September 16, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Republicans believe that business knows what is best and if left alone will do the right thing. Regulations hinder businesses

Democrats believe that there are bad eggs in every business and that left alone and unregulated the bad eggs, spurred by self interest and greed, with wreck havoc on the entire system.

Looks like the Democrats got it right

Posted by: Norris Hall | September 16, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Keep government out of business, keep taxes on business low, and the economy will thrive. That is NOT what Obama is advocating."

__________________________________________

Keeping government out of business is the EXACT reason that Enron and its wake of financial devastation occurred and is the EXACT reason why Wall Street is melting down today. I'm sure it feels good to say that we should "keep government out of business" but the reality of it is completely different. Keeping government out of business can be DANGEROUS. It's been proven over and over again that when there is an opportunity for profit, businesses will take extraordinary risks and do extremely dishonest things. If it was just those businesses that suffer, all is fine and good. But when the ramifications of business's risky behavior is that we're all put at risk, the issue becomes clear. We NEED government to provide oversight and regulation to protect us from the short-sighted greed of a few who would risk bringing us all down with their decisions.

Posted by: hesingswithfrogs | September 16, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The US spends more on healthcare per person (including all the illegal immigrants) right now than any other country in the world.

The World Health Organization ranks the US as

.... Dominica 36 Costa Rica 37 United States of America 38 Slovenia 39 ....

Whoa! There we ar right behind Costa Rica and right in front of Slovenia. Both countries spend a fraction of what we spend per person.

What is so wrong with social programs? Why do we have to call that socialism? What is wrong with paying for highways using tax dollars? Paying for schools and libraries and police forces?

Posted by: We are #38!!! Whoo Hoo! | September 16, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a doddering fumbling old man who is grossly delusional. JUST WHAT HAS MCCAIN DONE TO REALLY HELP OUR COUNTRY DURING HIS NEARLY 30 YEARS IN WASHINGTON?? For beginners, he has VOTED AGAINST any bill that would help our military and our veterans!!! Just how sick is that?? He sends them to Iraq, an unnecessary war, and refuses to provide them with additional equipment, safety guards, and then when they come back maimed, mentally and emotionally stressed, brain damaged, blind, he refuses to give them additional benefits, proper medical care, and proper treatment!!! McCain uses and abuses our troops and has NO business being their commander-in-chief and their and our president, period!! McCain, just recently has began talking about the economy and saying how HE and Palin will fix things in Washington....geeze, McCain FORGETS he has been a MAJOR PART OF THINGS BROKEN IN WASHINGTON!!! Just who is he trying to kid?? Anyone with an ounce of BRAIN POWER can see McCain's hypocracy and deceit!! Come on, fellow Americans, McCain, by voting in lockstep with the Bush Administration 91 percent of the time IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ECONOMY, THE 7 YEARS IN AFGHANISTAN WHICH IS WORSE TODAY THAN WHEN WE WENT THERE AND FOR THE IRAQ WAR AND THE DAMAGE IS HAS DONE AND CONTINUES TO DO TO OUR ECONOMY AND OUR COUNTRY AND ITS CITIZENS!! JOHN MCCAIN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEEDLESS DEATHS OF 4,000 PLUS MILITARY PERSONNEL!!! Please acknowledge McCain is NOT what we need to lead us!! What the heck, he'll be dead before too long, he is too old and demented! And Palin is a far-right political hyena who is not qualified or ready to lead, except for moose to their deaths!!

Posted by: NinaK | September 16, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama made his ad faulting McCain for stating the truth. Obama has not said what he would do different about the economy. If he talks about it, he talks about taxes and says something different every time. Therefore, he is not telling the truth. Also, he has no clue what to do about the economy.

All Democrats for Obama must be racists, because they are refusing to look at the proven facts that make this empty suit a VERY DANGEROUS MAN!! I hope the lying democrats do not win.

Posted by: annnort | September 16, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

It floors me how people can sit and play the blame game to support "their" team, but refuse to step back and see the root cause. The root cause of our economic crisis was the deregulation of the lending industry. It wasn't the Democrats taking majority in 2006 that caused this. It would've happened if the Republicans had somehow managed to keep control. It's not cause and effect.

As much as people spend time on the internet I'm shocked that they haven't looked at the plans of the candidates. Both will put us into debt--and both have drawbacks. Neither's a perfect solution. But people would rather hide behind the GOP or the DNC and point the finger at the other guy.

It sickens me that people would rather hide behind fear and partisanship than to REALLY look at the causes of things, get the facts. You can look up every vote in the senate. There are non-partisan websites out there that check the facts so that you don't necessarily have to do the legwork. You can be highly informed, if you want to be.

But keep hiding your head behind your McCain or Obama signs, folks...and be ready to blame whoever wins or tout your candidate if they lose, when things fail to get better immediately, because this mess that we're in is going to take time, no matter WHO's in power.

Posted by: Dan | September 16, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If we are at war what country are we fighting?
If we win this war how will we know?
If we win what will we win?

were not fighting a country were fighting ourselves.
we can never win this war only fight it for as long as they make us.
we win the right to pay the bills and make them richer.
some of you know who they are.
most of you lie to yourselves because its the thing to do.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Tom,

So how likely is it that in a State where she has the highest approval rating of any sitting governor that there would be such a turn out for an anti-Palin rally? Perhaps the attendees consisted primarily of the pro-Obama, Anti-Republican throngs from the lower 48 who barely knew where Alaska was prior to Palin being selected for the VP nomination.

Posted by: ujczom | September 16, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I heard John McCain stumping for more regulation yesterday in the wake of the Wall Street Crisis and immediately did a doubletake. What's this? JOHN MCCAIN is saying that we need more regulation? As many of us know, John McCain, like most Republicans, has been a staunch proponent of DE-regulation for many years. These people often live by the over-simplified mantra of "getting government off your back." Translated, this means less government regulation. The problem is that government regulation is often there to protect us all from the stupidity of a few, and especially from the stupidity of a greedy, dishonest few. So when McCain and Republicans begin repeating their mantra of deregulation and "getting government off your back" what they are really for is removing the oversight and protections that protect us all. from other people's very stupid, and sometimes abusive decision making. The Wall Street Crisis is a perfect example of this. The ugly reality of it all, as John McCain now appears to admit, is that the Wall Street Crisis is due to a LACK of regulation. But what John McCain and the Republicans won't own up to is that the LACK of regulation was what they wanted all along ande did everything they could to obtain.

But it gets worse. Much worse. John McCain and his economic guru, Phil Gramm were PERSONALLY responsible for the specific degregulation that led to the Wall Street Crisis and credit derivatives meltdown. In 2000, in the dark of night, they inserted the Commodity Futures Modernization Act as a rider onto the 2001 Federal Budget. This heinous act, ensured that the credit derivatives swap market was completely unregulated. This very lack of regulation is what allowed the credit derivatives crisis to occur. And thanks to Phil Gramm's earlier Gramm - Leach - Bliley Act in 1999 that had a year earlier permitted banks, brokerage houses and insurance companies to combine for the first time, the devasation now reaches every aspect of our financial system, including 401k's.

But it still gets worse. The same Commodity Futures Modernization Act that John McCain and Phil Gramm were PERSONALLY responsible for contained another provision that exempted energy trading from government oversight. It is the very law that allowed Enron to run amuck as well as create false energy shortages that bilked Californians out of 40 Billion dollars before leading to the huge collapse of Enron itself and the wake of devastation that followed.

So, for anyone who does their research, it is readily apparent that John McCain and his economic guru Phil Gramm were personally responsible for two of the biggest financial disasters of the last century. Now John McCain has the audacity to get up there and complain about lack of regulation and government oversight when he and his economic guru Phil Gramm were personally responsible for that very lack of regulation and oversight. It's enough to make you want to seriously hurt someone.

Please fellow Americans, recognize a lemon for what it is. John McCain and those of his fiscal views have miserably failed us. His poor judgment and decision-making and preposterous views are why there is such a mess right now (read above). It would be an utter disaster to give this man any more power. We really, REALLY can't afford any more of McCain's lunacy.

Posted by: hesingswithfrogs | September 16, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Pablo,

Sarah palin is not running for president, McSame is.

Didn't McSame just get caught with a person who was charge with fraud?

And one of the persons running his campaign is under investigation for fraud also.

Posted by: Eyes wide open | September 16, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Now that McShame has changed his spots, the zombies will all forget that he said the fundamentals of the economy were sound. This is almost a scene from 1984. The book not the year. Stay with me here.

The government declares a new enemy in the midst of a rally against the old enemy. The mob immediately forgets the old party line and starts chanting the new one.

Posted by: Big Brother is Watching You | September 16, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

1) We are winning in Iraq due to the surge. It is important that we protect our nation's interest in the Middle East.-We wouldn't have been in Iraq in the first place without McCain and those like him-now he wants to talk about "winning"? Is what we've accomplished, (Removing Iraq of WMD that they didn't have and Hussein), worth 4K live and counting and Multiple trillions of dollars? No.

2) The economy has cycles. The underlying fundamentals of business in America is strong. We will endure.-Then why all the BS about the necessity of the tax cuts being extended that ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW! And, as you apparently didn't get the talking point straight yet, (not your fault-this is a recent change), McCain himself has now called the economy "in crisis".

3) Bigger government is not better government. Less government is better for jobs and for the economy. Especially regulators, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain is going to put Palin on the job of fixing our economic woes. After she proved her expertise in foreign affairs in her interview the other night, he was impressed with her ability to Bull shoot her way through anything.

And if you listen to Palin, it's better to have an outsider with no previous connections, biases, debts or favors owed, or even a faint awareness of what the problems may really be, to go in and turn the place upside down.

Good friggin luck honey.

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Posted by: CEO | September 16, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

[The McCain campaign quickly realized that its candidate had struck the wrong note yesterday morning, and soon sent reporters new remarks in which John McCain declared the economy to be "in crisis."]

Politics as usual.

The fact is, Obama is a socialist. Government should assist business, not take over business. We do not need to nationalize the health care industry, or nationalize energy companies through windfall profit taxes, or retain GSE's that buy and repackage mortgages.

Keep government out of business, keep taxes on business low, and the economy will thrive. That is NOT what Obama is advocating.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Here is someone who understands the economy.

Do you think raising taxes on oil companies during an energy crisis might aid or undermine the economic well-being of the US economy (econ 101)?


Last year, 2007, Alaska's legislature approved a major tax increase on those windfall profits of the oil industry. The state of Alaska has received more than $10 billion this year from oil revenue.

Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before. The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account. Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family).

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in.

Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

Was she thinking of how this might affect the lower 49 states? or did she really care?


Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Pablo:

Wow! Your post included almost every bias known to man. Race, religion, national origin, sexual orientation - The bigot's grand slam! Tho I don't think you accused him of being a Papist or incestuous, but hey, you can make those up next time!

Posted by: Joel | September 16, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me, if Obama is so concerned about the environment why is he saying we need to lower gas prices. We drove 1 billion less miles this year so far, lets see some lame government program have that impact. (I have the same beef with McCain)

Posted by: john | September 16, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Quid est veritas asked:

"Interesting BitterSour...let's take the Palin lies one at a time...specify the lie about the Bridge to Nowhere?"

Then he/she tries to tell us that it is like not buying something at a store. A better metaphor is that your friend gives you money to buy something at the store, you keep the money and don't buy the product. Then you lie to everyone about the MONEY you saved. Republicans! I have a bridge to nowhere! Give me the money and I promise to spend it on something else! LOL!!

Posted by: Bridge? What Bridge? | September 16, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Its too bad our political system seems to require the candidates to avoid saying anything which might suggest that the electorate itself shares some of the blame for the economic problems we're having. John McCain's obsequious comments about the productivity of the American workforce were necessary I guess, but I hope he doesn't actually believe them. In fact, one of the main reasons we're losing jobs to foreign countries is that American workers require compensation to perform those jobs which is significantly greater than people elsewhere on this planet are willing to provide. In simple terms, we've become accustomed to our very high standards of living, and we while we may think we're entitled to it, the practical realities of the global economy make it inevitable that those jobs are going elsewhere.

Unfortunately, until our leaders are willing to confront the problem of re-training and re-structuring our economy in order to take advantage of our infrastructure and logistical strengths (such as our sophisticated networking infrastructure for example), trying to protect our anachronistic economic model is a losing battle which will manifest itself in the form of ever increasing deficits, and a commensurate decline in the real value of the US dollar.

As 5% of the population on a planet of 6.7-billion, we either compete and win, or cry about it and end up on the ash-heap of history. We still have more intrinsic advantages and opportunities to do that, all we have to do is decide we're willing to work for it. So far, neither candidate has been willing to deliver that message.

Posted by: ted in pdx | September 16, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Pablo is a moron. On more than one occasion Palin has addmitted to using marijuana. So the drug thing is out the window. And who really gives a chit anyway. Bush admitted to cocaine use, marijuana use, and alcoholism.

Smear,smear, smear. Truth is we are in a deep hole and its going to take longer than John McCain has on this earth to make it right. Sorry brother, he farts dust clouds. He is out of touch! And now he invented the blackberry... Are you kidding me. He can't even send an email or use "the google" as he puts it.

Thanks for your service John...Its time to retire.

Posted by: Mateo | September 16, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow Jim that is a lot like the communists think. The people are to stupid to know what they want so we'll decide for them. College degrees to not impress me, i can count just as many intellegent non-college grads as college grads in my life. Are you in favor of the super delagates and the electoral college also, you know just in case to many dumb people vote?

Posted by: John | September 16, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the Chicago insider. More taxes if he's elected and more money to waste. Let's drink to the Obama future. Cheers!

Posted by: Mandelay | September 16, 2008 1:02 PM

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Why would you post something so stupid! Do you think John McCain gives a rats azz about your taxes. They'll just manipulate Wall Street and hit ya on oil or food. Right now their raiding our 401k's by naked shorting the market, which is illegal. They don't even hide the fact that their doing it. The SEC put out a press release saying they want a temporary ban on something that's illegal. This country has been turned into a bucket of piss. Here's a piece of an article I was reading on our future

Russia’s economic growth and oil wealth, and China’s technological, industrial and commercial growth have both exceeded that of the U.S. Currently, both countries are engaged in a world financial plan, led by China, to reduce the American economic, banking and capital growth to that of a large third world power. That will allow Russia and China to control the World Bank and the financial stability of all countries.

Funding foreign military operations and trade imbalances have for years increased in the U.S. and decreased in the other two major powers. Once the U.S. dollar is replaced as the world currency standard, both Russia and China will begin their economic and military moves. Both military and natural resources have increased in both countries over the past two decades, and China’s current military build-up is the largest of any country since World War II.

With its announced new nuclear warheads and improved missiles and submarines, Russia has taken the lead in modern nuclear capability. The U.S. is just beginning a 20-year program to improve its aging nuclear arsenal after reducing it substantially in the 1990’s. China’s nuclear forces and huge modern conventional military and human reserves make it the only country in the world capable of occupying and controlling a country the size of the United States. The Chinese Navy grows larger by the hour and will rival that of the U.S. Navy in less than 5 years.


Posted by: Hemi | September 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama's message - socialism for America NOW!

1) The war is Iraq is a failure - we need to pull out now!

2) The economy is a disaster - we a massive change to a social style economy.

3) Big business is a failure - we need to tax big business more for their crimes.

3) American is broken - we need a savior like me now!

McCain's Message - Freedom works!

1) We are winning in Iraq due to the surge. It is important that we protect our nation's interest in the Middle East.

2) The economy has cycles. The underlying fundamentals of business in America is strong. We will endure.

3) Bigger government is not better government. Less government is better for jobs and for the economy.

Conclusion:

Obama wants to throw in the towel on everything! He believes we are all victims and that the government need to control every detail of our lives.

It looks like McCain understand a lot more about how America works than Obama, and he has confidence in America.

Posted by: Rick F | September 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Provide employment using green technology jobs. Manufacture fuel efficient autos in america giving tax breaks and import protection to american companies. Economic programs that help the poor will result in fewer abortions if you think thats the most
important issue facing this counry.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

@mark: Maybe you were duped, but no one in their right mind believes gas prices will ever go down to those levels again. Especially since the companies are making record profits now.

The price of fuels will always go up in the long run unless something drastic happens. Something like getting off fossil-based fuels altogether. We could do this given the right pressure. The technology is there and has been for quite some time.

Even if we open all national lands to drilling -- there is absolutely NO CHANCE the price of gasoline in this country will be affected in any considerable measure. The simple fact is that the US does not have the resources within the Earth we sit on to handle the demand we have. As long as we depend on oil, we will need to import it -- meaning we will always be at the mercy of OPEC.

The answer is: GET OFF OIL -- not put a certain party in control of Congress. Since that is the answer, the question really is who is holding this process back. It seems to me that it is the Republicans who are all about "Drill baby drill", which will lead us NO WHERE but straight back to this point in a couple of years time.

Posted by: Mike / Asheville, NC | September 16, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The fact is, McCain is right. The fundamentals are still strong. Is Obama's doom & gloom message what we can expect from him as our nation's leader? - Rick F>>

Rick F-please re-orient your statement immediately, (signed, McCain Appologista Society)

The McCain campaign quickly realized that its candidate had struck the wrong note yesterday morning, and soon sent reporters new remarks in which John McCain declared the economy to be "in crisis."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and gentlemen, please remember there are more than two choices here. You can vote for an independent or do what my family and I did.
I voted for my family and me. We are therefore leaving the US. As Americans, one of our liberties is to be able to leave the country and take our hard earned money with us anywhere you like.

Posted by: Phillip Broadhurst | September 16, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I heard the McCain comments ... and the Obama campaign ad. It's clear to anybody who heard both that Obama is taking this out of context. I can't believe this is getting any media attention. Is newsout there that dull?

== McCAIN*PALIN 08==

Posted by: OIFVetsForMcCain | September 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"The white-mans theory that everyone has the same oppurtunities is a joke at best, and insult at worst."

It is a method of minimizing the level of effort required to maintain dominance over other people who may have better skills and abilities. By denying such people the opportunity to develop themselves, it is easier on the mediocre and less competent, while keeping the nation from achieving its true potential.

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Regarding congressional approval ratings meme... has ANYONE bothered to check a little deeper?

Come on people, it is not hard to do..

Just google "congress approval ratings republican" and then poke around a bit. You will find that REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS HAVE CONSISTENTLY LOWER RATINGS THAN DEMOCRANTS.

http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm

Read it for yourself or do your own homework. Stop believing these right wing spin machine lies.

Posted by: Use Google Check Facts | September 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

If you folks in the rust belt are fooled again by the GOP, if you vote god, guns and gays instead of your pocketbooks, then you deserve what you get.

Get over it! Vote for the black guy who will help you and pass on the "Hero" multi-millionaire who won't.

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Posted by: CEO | September 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if the hidden enemy is the people that took us off the gold standard. If you look at long term trends:
The US dominated the world economy because every other big economy in the world was decimated by WWI and WWII and we had a pretty good system. Since the 60's the other economies have been catching up and the socialist/communist countries finally decided to join the world economy. The parties in charge of the US can't control all that. I'll ask again what is Obama going to do to fix the economy???? raise taxes - that makes sense. Not saying I want to vote for either but please everyone think just a little deeper than the first layer of the onion.

Posted by: john | September 16, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who you support, but listen up. I don't know if I'm the only one who has noticed, but roughly every 7-8 years or so, the American economy goes into a recession. This is called the business cycle. As growth speeds up, people and companies begin to spend their money in less and less efficient ways because, on the whole, they have more than they need. This inefficiency builds and grows in the economy and worker productivity begins to drop. Most investors and people do not notice because they are busy making money off the perception of a strong economy (investors) and because they are employed (other people). This disconnect between the economic reality and the economic perception, as well as the inefficiencies built into the economy during the boom years cannot continue indefinitely. In many cases the perception of the economy can change in a day because of the failure of a bank or large company or unexpected economic statistics. In the latest "crisis" it was the spike in interbank lending rates. What follows is a lurching and often painful return to economic reality by companies and the people they employ. The most inefficient companies often fail and are bought. Others slash jobs and sell units that are not central to their business. Within a year or two, worker productivity begins to grow and companies begin hiring again. The boom portion of the cycle returns. Recessions that follow periods of economic growth are ESSENTIAL. Delaying them only makes the pain worse once the inevitable correction occurs. Recessions are not the fault of Republicans. They are not the fault of Democrats. Politicians can do a little bit to make them shorter and less severe, but they cannot be prevented, nor should they be. Do not buy into this ridiculous blame game that occurs every 8 years about the economy, because it is entirely bogus. As for the fundamentals of they economy, they ARE reasonably strong, if not amazing. The collapse of an investment bank is not a measure of economic fundamentals anymore than a spill on your floor is indicative of a flaw in the tile. Companies fall, and they need to. By nearly any standard but our own, unemployment is extremely low. It is at 10% in much of Europe and about 6% here. Inflation is falling. Oil and raw material prices are moderating. This is just a recession (and technically not even that). They sky is not falling. If you lost your job or your house, this is a crisis. But it is a personal crisis, not a national one. Do not blame the finance regulators. Excess regulation stifles innovation and encourages extra-legal activity. Remember, the regulatory agencies get paid whether or not they strictly enforce the rules, but companies and people who circumvent them benefit handsomely at the expense of others. Who do you think is more motivated? In this case, if it wasn't the finance sector, it would have been a different area of the economy. DO NOT BLAME THE POLITICIANS AND DO NOT BELIEVE THEM WHEN THEY BLAME THE OTHER PARTY.

Posted by: Sean | September 16, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"Jim so you are suggesting we adopt socialistic policies like free health care and free education to all?"

An educated electoral is a pre-requisite for a democracy. Thus, at least an education sufficient to properly analyze the issues before the nation is required and should be provided by the government for those who cannot otherwise obtain one. Unless, of course, you really don't want a democracy...

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm, national deficits etc. Who sets the national budget? Congress or the President. Who was in charge of congress during those periods???? Again the defict rose and sank as the economy rose and sank. Stop beleiving both parties that are trying to tell us they can help, they can't

Posted by: John | September 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

@John, then you would also know that EVERY single capitalistic economy has socialist programs.

It has also been found that these nation with a mix of free-market and social programs proiduce the happiest and healtiest citizens.

Are you actually suggesting that by leaving our poor and underpriveiledge in the cold, it is a bewtter lot for our nation?

The white-mans theory that everyone has the same oppurtunities is a joke at best, and insult at worst.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain wants to form a commission to study what should be plain to anyone not totally brain-dead.
Way to go idiot, waste a bunch more money to find out what any thinking person already knows.
McCain's ignorance is dumbfounding.

Posted by: DWayne | September 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Howard Kurtz writes
"While Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers have been sold, seized by the government or declared bankruptcy in recent weeks, few would argue that the underpinnings of the American economy are collapsing."

With all due respect, Mr Kurtz, stick to analyzing the media. The Federal Reserve & US Treasury have had to take extraordinary measures to ensure that the collapse of Bear Stearns doesn't snowball into a collapse of the entire economy. In theory, the failure of one - or many - company shouldn't be a danger to the economy. The government having to step in to mitigate the damage is the definition of unstable underpinnings of our economy.

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Posted by: CEO | September 16, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I give up. Maybe McCain is the one to find Bin Laden after all.
If he's willing to lie, cheat, and steal to win this election, he's already halfway to the "gates of hell."

Posted by: Country First | September 16, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

@Mark, get a clue about basic gov't Take civics 101 and tou will leanr that a "majority" Democratic congress with 51 members will not be able to pass anything meaningful with lockstep Republican congress railroading everything and the Presdeint of the United States playing games with people lives so he can veto a bill to incite "the angry left" as he put it.

An American Preisdent disparaging his own COngrss. The new America that the GOP has brought is disgustingly arrogant and ignorant.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

---McCain - "The fundamentals of our economy are strong."

---Graphics - "What are 'THE FUNDAMENATLS' of our economy?"

---McCain (responding) - "The fundamentals of our economy are to empty the U.S. treasury and to then strip-search the citizens for cash".

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Posted by: John Charles Webb | September 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

When you lose your job you cant feed that baby, you cant take care of it like it should be. republicans dont care what happens to it when it leaves the hospital.
as usual they only care about themselves.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Only economies that collapsed are the ones you mentioned. Don't really think any true capatalistic democracies have every collapsed

Posted by: john | September 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Jim so you are suggesting we adopt socialistic policies like free health care and free education to all?

Posted by: john | September 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

By what metric are you asserting that the fundamentals of our economy are not weak? You say "few would say", sort of like "some say" - one of those things you throw out there when you don't really have facts (or the knowledge?) to back up an assertion. So, please, elaborate on why the fundamentals are not weak. Employment is up, foreclosures are up, companies are laying off workers, banks are failing (massive banks, not just local or regional), we have massive bailouts, an enormous national debt, record deficits, etc. So, please, please, back up this assertion that no one thinks the economy is weak. Or withdraw your baseless statement.

Posted by: Seth | September 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

In a direct and honest head to head comparison of Palin versus Obama -— I can think of the number one category where Obama would be superior to Sarah Palin...


-Doesn't have two way conversations with God in strange tongues.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

How can the author say McCain's "statement is defensible on economic grounds"?

Their are many layers of fault here, and like the political parties, their lobbyists, and the wall street schemers, the media is equally self-serving with telling our country’s truth.

Posted by: MHO | September 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

The above links to a chart showing the US national debt over the years. Look at it and decide how well Reagan / Bush did and how well other presidents have done.

Decide for yourself.

Posted by: National Debt Chart | September 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama = the candidate for doom and gloom.

The fact is, McCain is right. The fundamentals are still strong. Is Obama's doom & gloom message what we can expect from him as our nation's leader?

Posted by: Rick F | September 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

The sad truth is that neither of the candidates knows economics well enough to have an articulate opinion. You can bet that they are both taking crash courses today and same for the veeps.

The fundamentals of the economy are unquestionably strong despite the crashes. All the economic woes from the dot coms (Clinton era) to the mortgage and credit crisis which really underlie the Lehman and Merrill implosion of today are all rooted in the same problem . . . no intrinsic value behind the credit. Fundamentals like population growth, job growth (despite the increase recently, we're still at full employment by 1980s standards), etc. The failures simply highlight areas not reliant on fundamentals, ie real value.

Posted by: skip | September 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I find it SOOOO funny to see the McCain appologistas spinning themselves in knots about how McCain is right-the economy really is strong-Only to have McCain himself now stating how the economy is in "Crisis". What a joke these people are. Oh, and just an FYI, I agree with the very latest version of McCain (SP 3), the economy is in crisis. Greenspan, (though he played a large role in it), has said it's a once in a century type of problem-so I'm happy to see McCain now getting on board.
Memo to all McCain appologists-please run with the new info, disreard anything you heard that is older than an hour old. That is all.

Posted by: Biff | September 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

The economy is in shambles and the USA is broke. We have a 9 Trillion national debt. Bush took a 200 Billion budget surplus and turned it into a 500 Billion deficit. Unemployment went from 2.4% to 6.3 % under the Rescumicans. The Republicans sent all our work to China, who by the way own a good portion of our Debt. China is our Bank..and we are owned by China. We are mired in a health care crises. Yet...people are going for the 72yo cancer ridden McCain and his incompetent Caribou Barbie. I don't get it. The people of this country are unconscious.

Posted by: RR | September 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe McCain opened himself up to this. Go Obama!

http://www.boppoll.com

Posted by: mgultch | September 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

@pablo: You are an idiot. Even if I were a McCain supporter, I can tell you are a sheep and nothing more. Everything you type is blatantly ridiculous and has no factual basis.

Please quit typing -- you are only making yourself look more stupid and for that matter a lot of others who insist on spewing this crap.

Posted by: Mike / Asheville, NC | September 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Republican minds are confused about the difference between socialism and social programs that are necessary for a gov't infrastructure.

Go read up on US history and economics and you will see that market failures happen, and we need social programs to help out a free market economy to prevent abuse and exploitation.


Examples: Interstate system, women equal pay, child labor.

Examples of why we need some social programs? Have you read the news today. Thank deregulation for that GREED that caused a market failure.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

A "new idea" is about to be approved in Congress. It's called "off-shore drilling." This is to slow down what has been as Sarah Palin has said, our sending Seven-Hundred BILLION ($700,000,000,000) overseas a year to pay for foreign oil to run our Hummers and other unnecessary contraptions. Yes, she has that right!

Congress currently has a 9% approval rating (NINE PERCENT!)

As some of us know, the price of gasoline has DOUBLED in the past two years. The Democrats have been and are still in control of the out of control Congress during that time after duping us into believing that they’d get gasoline back under $2, diesel back under $1, and getting us OUT OF IRAQ. Not only has the gasoline prices doubled during that time, but diesel has gone up 250% or more. We are in deeper than ever in Iraq and now there’s the BRAND NEW financial mess (cause mainly by the failure to do anything on the fuel and Iraq problems, and Bush gets the blame too). Congress has failed to lead every bit as much as Bush.

Now, they've come up with this idea of "off-shore drilling” and it’s with their amazing timing, it is plainly obvious to any non-brainwashed person that this is an attempt to help their members of the Senate, Obama and Biden, get elected to the White House!

Don't forget that we are in Iraq in the first place with lots of help from both Democrats and Republicans in the House and Senate.

IT IS TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE. At least one outsider reformist is on the ticket this time. Something is better than nothing. Obama and McCain are as good of reformers as George Bush ... in other words ... horrible. VOTE PALIN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012 ON A NEW NO PARTY TICKET!!!

Posted by: Mark | September 16, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

you smeared me, whaaaa

you lied to me, whaaaa

you are vile, whaaa

isn't this an intro passage on the cartoon series "Rugrats"?


well, sure doesn't have any sophistication to it, and i thought liberals were supposed to be intellectuals too!

Posted by: independent raza girl | September 16, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama is really no different than McCain. They both know what the REAL problem with our economy is but neither one of them is willing to do anything but blame the others party for a problem that has nothing to do with either party.
The sole reason our economy is about to implode is because the Federal Reserve has devalued the dollar to the point that it is now virtually worthless.
Once the housing bubble burst it laid clear the fact that the Fed doesn't have anything of worth backing the funny money they've been printing.
What we're seeing today is NOTHING compared to what we'll be seeing in the next few years. This collapse is going to make the "great depression" look like the good old days.
The only good thing that may come out of this is that Americans may finally wake up and realize who the REAL enemy is. The ones that have been waging war against our nation and our constitution for 90 years.
Here's a clue, they AREN'T Arab.

Posted by: DWayne | September 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Pablo:
"All we are seeing is a correction..."
Either you are in complete denial or you just don't have a clue what a correction is. Do us all favor and please crawl back under the rock you came from.

Posted by: gimmieabreak | September 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

jim,

Countries collapse, as well. Anyone old enough to remember the USSR and Eastern Bloc knows this.

Now, I do not believe that we are in that dire of a position, but we are working against some tough odds here. ( I'll omit the huge list of examples, but can submit them later, if need be. )

We need someone who knows something about the economy to steer us in the right direction, because the policies that we've been using have been disastrous.

And when McCain openly admits, that he does not know anything about the economy or technology, but his strength is in war...

...this terrifies me.

Obama may not be the best for us, but he's spent much of his life involved in economic issues. I'd rather give him the benefit of doubt, than McCain.

Posted by: wolf | September 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

http://dailysource.org/palin

Learn about Sarah Palin. Break through the spin on both sides.

Posted by: Sarah Palin Information | September 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Do you believe in global warming? Because the last ten years the tempatures have dropped. But there is still a trend upward, so I agree it appears we are warming. If you believe the statement above you should look at the overall trend of our economy which is up. I don't think Reagan saved our economy I think he rode a huge productivity improvement wave in the industrial sector. I don't think Clinton saved our economy he rode an even bigger technology boom. Course you'll probably chose to believe the isolated facts that meet your expectations and we'll get more stupid laws like Sarbanes Oxley which enrich professionals at everyone elses expense

Posted by: SKV | September 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Think about it.

Probably half this country thinks the world was created 7,000 years ago.

We are in deep doodoo.

P. S. If Adam and Eve only had sons, with whom did they mate?

Never mind - its a matter of faith?

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

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While you imbeciles argue about GUNS AND GAYS, we will SHIP MORE JOBS OVERSEAS.

We love little slaves working for us. And soon you will be SO POOR YOU WILL WORK FOR FOOD. Our plan is working beautifully!

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Posted by: CEO | September 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Phil Gramms buddies all bailed out of the housing market before the fall. Leaving the rest of us holding the bag. Change you can believe in.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"Sunday Alaskans held the largest political rally in the State's history in Anchorage. This rally was strongly against Palin and was twice the size of a pro Palin rally held at the same time."

Is this proof that Palin is twice as unpopular with democrats as she is popular with republicans? I don't think so. More than anything, it underlines the fact that Americans are far more passionate about what they oppose than what they promote. One of the failings of our country is that our goodness is far outweighed by our rancor, and that we'd rather complain about things we consider to be wrong than execute solutions that we believe are right. We are a nation of armchair quarterbacks.

Seen a lot of pro-choice people picketing outside of abortion clinics? Or do you see a lot of signs with pictures of aborted fetuses?

Posted by: Tom | September 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Interesting BitterSour...let's take the Palin lies one at a time...specify the lie about the Bridge to Nowhere?

Or maybe you never went into a store for something, saw it was too expensive and decided not to buy it...

At any rate, I don't recall a lie.

Posted by: Quid est veritas | September 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Great ad!

It's all true, you can research for yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Blip,

You hit it on the head. I love your satire. Keep up the good posts.

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Blip! That is a HOOT! Yeah! I love it. Will I get a pony too? Oh my! I can't stop laughing. Look, it's a PONY. That's even better than that chick last week that McInSane chose to be veepee or something like that. I forget. But a PONY! Can I get one, please? I will be a republican.

Posted by: A PONY! | September 16, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

It's about time the Obama campaign went on the offensive.

Great ad.

Posted by: Neon | September 16, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe some of the people on here - calling Barack Obama names is very mature of you. If the man hasn't earned your respect trying to talk about real issues instead of fearmongering then you obiously have no respect to give to anyone.
The fact is the economy is in shambles because of McCain like policies with Bush, we are in a recession and have been since 2001. McCain tax cuts aren't tax cuts at all, because no one here makes $5 dollars! I personly don't want my taxes used to fund no-bid contracts to the 100's of lobbyist John McCain employes to start wars and keep us dependent on oil forever.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What does a housing market bubble burst that spilled over onto the banks that perpetuated the fiasco have to do with the current administration? You people suffer from displaced anger. I don't agree with much from Bush, but you can't pin an economy that is failing from misdeeds in the private sector on the administration. The next election once again is crap or crappier (decide for yourself who is which), but the economy IS fundamentally sound given the many years of good times followed by a recent period of hard times created directly by the unethical behavior of lenders. Until Obama can explain WHAT he wants to change and HOW it is going to help, he is FOS as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: ejack | September 16, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Jim what is your occupation? How do you know this is a normal economic trend?

Are you an expert? Becuase experts say this is not normal.

So are you?

Posted by: Eyes wide open | September 16, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

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Joey B and Barry Who?


jd


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Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 16, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

In a direct and honest head to head comparison of Palin versus Obama -— I can think of a number of categories where Sarah Palin would be superior to Obama….

- Undeniable or disputable love and loyalty to America.
- Undeniable or disputable non-Muslim background or roots.
- No felons as close friends or advisers.
- No minister/mentor who is a black racist rabble rouser.
- No American Terrorists as friend, advisor and fund raiser.
- No convicted felon who assisted in a self admitted “bone head” real estate deal.
- No suspicious money coming from Hamas or the PLO…
- No endorcements from the leaders of Islamic or weeny European government leaders.
- Never voted to kill babies who survived an abortion.
- Never criticized America military, or doubted our RIGHT to pursue and kill our enemy wherever we may find them.
- Never endorsed or praised the pimp Mayor of Detroit, who is now going to jail.
- Not a close friend or admirer of “Calypso Louie” Farrakhan.
- Not ashamed to wear the American Flag pin or salute the flag of our nation.
- Never supported Washington, D.C. law banning the right to own a firearm and keep it in one’s home - which USSC overruled.
- Never made a trip to Pakistan as a “student”..
- Never attended classes on the Koran at an Islamic school.
- Never held a passport from Indonesia.
- Never admitted doing drugs, including cocaine.
- Never accused of having a homosexual relationship.
- Never worked within the Chicago Political Machine.
- Never confronted the corruption in the city government, he “served” as a community organizer.
- Never named the most Leftist member of any group, as Obama has been named in the Senate.
- Palin’s husband quit a job in the Oil Fields to avoid conflict of interest - Obama’s wife accepted a $300,000 salary from a hospital after her husband secured a large “ear mark” for the same hospital..
- Palin has been proud and defensive of America - her ENTIRE adult life, contrary to Obama and his wife.
- I could go on…….but you get the drift…

Obama is worse then a black racist empty suit..
There is NOTHING in his life of “accomplishments” to indicate this angry arrogant man is WORTHY or TRUSTWORTHY to even retain his position in the Senate to say nothing of being the President….

Posted by: pablo | September 16, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The fact is the economy is sound


WTF do ya'll smoke??? And are you going to share?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

We Obama folks should offer Levi asylum and hide him. Poor dumb ba$tard.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Why is no one commenting on the racism of those who are voting FOR Obama because of the color of his skin?! This is just as racist as those who might vote against Obama for the same reason.

I'm sick of the ultraliberals playing the race card in this election! A white person could be voting for someone other than Obama for a whole host of reasons, just as a supporter of Obama wasn't necessarily sexist. It's sad that some whites and some people of color WILL be using racism to affect their votes. But just because a black person votes for Obama, or a white person votes for McCain, it doesn't necessarily mean racism occurred.

Someday, it will be my pleasure to vote for someone who happens to be a person of color or who happens to be female, but until there is a candidate with experience whom I generally agree with, I'll be voting elsewhere. I'm not going to apply Affirmative Action with the POTUS.

Posted by: Rand | September 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

We all hate spam, however companies that do it to us know that a small percentage of the public (The ignorant and misinformed usually) end up buying something. It doesn't matter if the product works or not, they just sell it, no matter what the cost. Welcome to the McPalin Spam Machine.

Everything is collapsing around us (And I'm an optimist!) and McCainites just go strolling along as if nothing is wrong. You have 49 days to change your minds. A year from now I am going to HATE to say "I told you so".....

Posted by: BitterSour | September 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Finally! What an ad! We need more of this kind of material from the Obama campaign-ads that aggressively hold McCain accountable for his inability to compete on "the issues." Bravo!

Posted by: AdamShelton | September 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

SKV,

When you are able to type complete sentences, I will be happy to respond to your rhetoric.

In the interim, comparing the US economy to a third world country is inane. We are comparing the current U.S. economy to the thriving, competitive U.S. economy BEFORE Bush43. At that time, the U.S. economy was better. To say otherwise is to ignore the facts.

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Another issue with all the fascism comments. Is every one aware that the Dems are in favor of doing away with secret ballots for Union votes? They don't have enough votes to override a veto in the senate but Obama supports. This means all you do is sign a card and you have voted for a union. Now I'm not saying guys like Hoffa may stand over your shoulder or anything like that and ask you to sign you card but jesus talk about fascism

Posted by: john | September 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Who helped wreck our economy?

Phil Gramm, with his constant push for deregulation in the financial markets.

Who were Senator Gramm's biggest campaign contributors?

Big Finance.

After Gramm left the Senate, who did he go to work for?

A Swiss bank.

Who is McCain's economic advisor?

Phil Gramm.

Who will be Treasure secretary if McCain is elected?

You got it, Phil Gramm.

Less jobs.
More wars.
McCain 08.

Posted by: FC | September 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a racist.

McCain is part of the Keating 5

McCain the Bush is againt all the reforms that McCain the "maverick" proposed and passed.

How odd GOP NEVER discusses this.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

9,800 a day? 2.5 million to 3.5 million per year? Where does this number come from? I can't find real numbers by googling foreclosures, foreclosure rate, etc. That sounds like an exaggerated number intended to scare people. Does anybody fact check these things?

Posted by: john | September 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Democrats have simply got to get out of this mode of trying to pretend that the sky is falling.


We didn't hit an iceberg my friends, we are only stopping to get some ice. We will be in New York in a few days.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Great ad by Obama/Biden. What a mess Bush, Cheney, McCain, Palin and the rest of the GOP and NeoCons have made of this economy and this country; failure of epic proportions.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

bsimon,

I'm glad you admit that Mr. O would adopt and follow current US war policy. Thank you for your admission)))

Posted by: zombie | September 16, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe some of the people on here - calling John McCain names is very mature of you. If the man hasn't earned your respect serving his country then you obiously have no respect to give to anyone.
The fact is the economy is sound, we are not in a recession and haven't been since 1998. Obama's tax cuts aren't tax cuts at all, it's welfare! I personly don't want my taxes used to pay out welfare to the 40% of americans who pay 0 taxes.

Posted by: Jeff | September 16, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN JUST SAID HE WOULD START A DRAFT!!!!!!!

MCCAINS DAIGHTER HAD AN ABORTION!!!!!!

FASCIST MCCAIN WILL RUIN AMERICA!!!!!!!!

goes both ways, fools

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

yes give me a lipstick and a bit bull and i will be the president of the free world. i may be a republican but not an idiot to buy this bull

Posted by: red meat dog | September 16, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a racist, and if Hollywood gays don't tell him what to say, he has to ask Teddy kennedy. That is why he has a good voice, but no substance

David, you figured out all this on your own? You sure someone didn't help you?

Pretty heady stuff. Very impressive.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse


McCain is correct that the American worker is strong, that the capitalistic spirit is strong, and that our history of innovation is strong. Markets always go up and down; it is what they do. Business endeavors always succeed or fail; that is how capitalism works. Democrats have simply got to get out of this mode of trying to pretend that the sky is falling.

Posted by: jim | September 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

David Blumenthal shouted: "Obama is a racist, and if Hollywood gays don't tell him what to say, he has to ask Teddy kennedy. That is why he has a good voice, but no substance"

Hmm. Is that the same Kennedy that was on the Kennedy / McCain Immigration bill? You really need to get out more, dude. The real world isn't that bad. Even when you meet someone who looks "gay" or "different", you don't have to hate so much.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Nah... I'm not calling Palin a pony. Although I am sure, somewhere, Tucker Bounds is jumping out of his skin over the possibility that someone could misconstrue my comment that way. You can expect an ad on Youtube whining about it later today.

I'm just saying that McCain is going to need a new headline grabbing gimmick if he is going to distract the public from our economic woes.

And what could be more mavericky, more sensational, more historic than appointing a pony to the attorney general's office?

Posted by: blip | September 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama is black, he knows muslims, his wife has a big mouth, you dont know what he will do when he gets in office.
You Do know what mccain will do.
Tow the line for the rich and the corporations.
Keep screwing you and the country.
The devil that you do know is not the best choice this time around.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Liam,

Your intentions are no longer in the shadows, and many of your buddies are out of the closet, which is fine, and they will have to accept civil unions, with equal rights, but never marriage in a church, or lifestyle advocation in the public schools....

Again, sorry Liam, but you will have to face these facts soon((((

Posted by: zombie | September 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN IS A RACIST!!!!!!!!


HE CALLED OBAMA A N*word ON FOX NEWS.


idiots

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Definition of Annonymous:

Metrosexual, higher than holy with self-perceived, enlightenment title, who haullicinates every day that an overwhelming majority of Americans are Aetheists.

Sorry buddy, but you do need to sincerely join Club Anon, for where have you been?

Posted by: zombie | September 16, 2008 1:10 PM

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WHY DID YOU DO THIS.IM GOING TO CRY WHOLE NIGHT NOW.WHAT A IMBECILE

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Facts on the taxes. So you think Obama is going socialize (and health care will not turn into waiting lists like Canada and it will magically become more efficient under government control like all the other programs they run), free college education, balance the budget and not raise taxes on the middle class. That's pretty funny

Posted by: john | September 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Like Obama,
You guys don't know meaning of strong and weak. US economy fundamentals are strong. Compare let say to fundamentals of Bolivia, Italy or China. You need another example of weak fundamentals go to any Africa country.

Do you still have problem with US economy?
As bad as it gets it is better than most of not any other economy. It just no more 'free cheese' from Clinton's time when cheap credit trigger stock bubble that flew into MBS and now finally strikes us badly.

Posted by: SKV | September 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Sunday Alaskans held the largest political rally in the State's history in Anchorage. This rally was strongly against Palin and was twice the size of a pro Palin rally held at the same time. The popularity of the Governor in Alaska is in doubt, despite the McCain spin masters assessment. Do Alaskans know something the McCain campaign does not want the rest of us to know? Where is the national press story on this Alaskan anti Palin movement? Time and the real facts will burst the Palin bubble and the Obama campaign will see the benefit.

Posted by: Bob M | September 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain eats babies

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

WHERE IS OSAMA?????? WHO IS LOOKING FOR HIME?? OR HAVE WE ALL FORGOTTEN??

Posted by: mama1 | September 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama=Liberals=Disaster for this country

No kidding. America is in great shape after 8 years of Republicans benevolent and unselfish caring for the American people.

Why would we risk ending two wars? Why risk losing the greatest deficit the Republicans worked hard to build up? Why would we want to fix an economy that those business and economic friendly Republicans worked so hard at getting it to the point of a once in a life time state of affairs?

Risk losing all that to a Democratic president and Congress???

You can't be serious. We have two fine, experienced and competant Republicans running for office that surely can continue this 8 year record of phenomenal amazement.

If it ain't broke, don't fix Ronald Reagan used to say.

Stay the course. Fight on Rpublicans. We just this country going in the right direction. Keep up all the good work!!!

Posted by: Dan Quayle | September 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

@zombie

Get a clue loser

You have no credibility after posting such nonsense below.

We only reply to you for comic releif.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

zombie writes
"After all, it was Obama who said, and I quote, "I would bomb Pakistan!" "

Zombie, clean the dirt out of your ears. He didn't say he would bomb pakistan, he said that if we had intelligence that aQ leaders were in Pakistan, and the Pakistani gov't wouldn't act, Sen Obama would take them out anyway. That's current US policy. I know you're undead and all, but that doesn't excuse you from the need for the facts.

Posted by: bsimon | September 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Zombie,

How do you spell atheist? You obviously didn't get that definition for Anonymous from the dictionary.

Your name suits you. :-)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a racist, and if Hollywood gays don't tell him what to say, he has to ask Teddy kennedy. That is why he has a good voice, but no substance

Posted by: David Blumenthal | September 16, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Johnny McPain doesn't feel it because he's insulated by a $100,000,000 cushion.

Posted by: jsp | September 16, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"The fundamentals are still strong. One ought not generalize based on anecdotal evidence--a few unemployed, a few houses foreclosed, one or two recklessly managed investment banks go belly up. Most of us are employed, most of us are paying our mortgages, most financial firms are still healthy."

The same could be said about the Great Depression. Wow, doesn't that give you the warm fuzzies...


"To find a correlation between policy-making and financial crises, don't look to the eight years of the Bush Administration--look to the two years since the Socialist Left took control of the Congress. QED, the crisis is the fault of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, et al. Further, while Sen. McCain may have voted 90% of the time with the Bush Administration, Messiah-Obama voted 100% of the time with Peolsi/Reid/Frank/et al."


Two years of a slim majority (counting Independents as Democrats) not large enough to overturn vetoes? Two years with no change in policies from the previous 6?

Nice try. It was the culture of excess pushed by the Republican majority (with a Republican President to boot) that caused the overinflation of the value of stocks/realestate/commodities that we now have to suffer through the correction of...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I guess that Mr. Obama thinks that it will help him win in November if he paints this picture of gloom and doom. Sure we are going through difficult times, but if you take a step back and examine what has brought the economy to this point it will become obvious that the events that have lead to this point have nothing to do with the Bush administration.
Fuel at $140 barrel due to increased demand by the rest of the world. Since almost everything we touch is somehow affected by the price of oil why is it any surpise that prices have gone through the roof. How will Obama fix this?
Credit Crisis, financial institutions throwing common sense out the window and doing really stupid things in terms of lending practicies. Is this something president Bush is responsible for also?
I do not agree with everything that president Bush has done, however I don't think that you can truly blame him for the state of the economy. As fas as Mr. Obama's plan to revive the economy, I have not heard one specific thing that he will do.
In Michigan he promises to create jobs to replace those that are lost in the automotive industry. How is he going to create jobs that pay $60k - $100K/yr for people working on the line? What he doesn't mention is that he will create jobs at McDonald's for $7.50 hr. I don't expect someone running for president to have all the answers but I do expect them to be honest and tell the truth. Up to now Mr. McCain has been much more truthful than Mr. Obama.

Posted by: Claus | September 16, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"McCain has turned ugly. His dishonesty would be unacceptable in any politician, but McCain has always set his own bar higher than most. He has contempt for most of his colleagues for that very reason: They lie. He tells the truth. He internalizes the code of the McCains -- his grandfather, his father: both admirals of the shining sea. He serves his country differently, that's all -- but just as honorably. No more, though."

Thanks, Richard Cohen. I couldn't have said it better.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091502406.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The spelling is 'fascist', but you are still right.

OBAMA = RACIST==CRIMINAL=COMMUNIST

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Definition of Annonymous:

Metrosexual, higher than holy with self-perceived, enlightenment title, who haullicinates every day that an overwhelming majority of Americans are Aetheists.

Sorry buddy, but you do need to sincerely join Club Anon, for where have you been?

Posted by: zombie | September 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

So Mr. Kurtz, the fundamentals of our economy ARE strong, and Obama is letting politics trump reality? If only there was some other source we could consult ... like Alan Greenspan, on Monday: “First of all, let’s recognize that this [the financial crisis] is a once-in-a-half-century, probably once-in-a-century type of event…, There’s no question that this is in the process of outstripping anything I’ve seen, and it still is not resolved and it still has a way to go. I can’t believe we could have a once-in-a-century type of financial crisis without a significant impact on the real economy globally, and I think that indeed is what is in the process of occurring.”

Posted by: Jim C | September 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Blip,

Are you calling Sara Palin a pony? LOL! I thought she was the lipstick on the pig. Or, maybe the pit bull hockey mom who doesn't accept earmarks, but really does.

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Wake UP People--
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/thesis.asp
here
http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/
No way I would even think of voting for this joker and his wife -check it out!

Posted by: Pablo | September 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

O'Bumba wouldn't know an economy if he lived in one...
All we are seeing is a correction...
McCain is technically correct- The fundamentals of our economy are strong. Fundementals meaning the methods...
***M c C a i n - P a l i n 2 0 0 8***

Posted by: MN Lost Boy | September 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Zombie,

WOW!! Do you really believe those are our key issues? INCREDIBLE!!! My mind is awash with innumerable far more imporant problems than those outlined in your posting...but to even state them would be a waste of time since you and your ilk clearly aren't considering them. Your name suits you, Zombie.

Posted by: Liam Night | September 16, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

FACT: Barack Obama will lower taxes on the middle class more than McCain will.

Source: Independent, nonpartisan, nonprofit Tax Policy Center

Read for yourself.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

john,

Who told you that Obama is going to RAISE taxes? If you look at his economic plan, it says exactly the opposite.

I guess it's true, BitterSour, the McCain supporters are ignoring the truth. The wheels have come off the straight talk express!

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Kind of hard to be a Washington insider if you've been living in Chicago up until a couple of years ago. Get a grip on reality.

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MORE THAN COUPLE OF YEARS IS JUST ENOUGH FOR OBAMA TO BECOME THE WASHINGTON INSIDER .ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING HIS CHICAGO MOB CONNECTION

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey bitter I'm with you on the lying I know the Rep lie. Do you think the Dems don't lie??

Posted by: john | September 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

This week expect John McCain to announce his pick for attorney general: A pony!

So, while the economy will continue its long slide into the abyss....

At least Republicans will show up to see the talking pony and his pledge to root out the "insiders" in Washington.

And everyone will be like, "Obama who? Econo-wha? McCain has a talking pony!"

Posted by: Blip | September 16, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The REAL issues?

"KILLING OF THE UNBORN"
Agreed, take desperation away from people and they won't have to make untenable moral decisions. Oh wait, you mean just make more useless laws. Nevermind.

"HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE"
Nobody who is actually secure in their own sexuality really cares about this issue. What does that say about you?

"FEDERAL AETHEISM"
That's in the constitution - there shall be no religious test. The government should be hands off religion for the benefit of government and religion. That includes claiming that there is no god, which is just another belief system.

"NATIONAL QUOTA SYSTEMS"
Quota for what? Toxic waste production by power plants such as mercury? What's wrong with that?

"DECADENCE AND MEDIA POLLUTION"
I cannot imagine a more decadent and polluted media than exists today as a result of deregulation. Where else can you get such evil hate speech at the Michael Reagan character advocating killing the babies of Muslim parents with grenades in ways I'd rather not post on this board.

Posted by: Strange Days | September 16, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

No spin Annonymous,

Just the facts, sorry((((

Posted by: zombie | September 16, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

@bitter sour

They don't have to be trained to ignore the truth, they are just ignorant by definition.

Republican = Ignorance of basic truth

Every single Republican commnet here is rhetoric, racist, or a lie.

It all the GOP has to work with. sadly, it works on million of dumb ass Americans who vote and are either racist or think God wins Super Bowls

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

For those of you debating who is in bed with whom, who's really an insider, who's bought by lobbyists, etc, check out the FEC's [ Federal Election Commission's ] own compilation of the funds raised by each candidate.

Note the PAC [ Political Action Committee ] section refers to lobbyist contributions.

McCain:
http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/mapApp.do?drillLevel=US&stateName=&cand_id=P80002801

Obama:
http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/mapApp.do?drillLevel=US&stateName=&cand_id=P80003338

Posted by: wolf | September 16, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with being happily stinking rich and utterly detached. Nothing, that is, unless you make criticizing your political opponent as "elitist" and "out of touch" a centerpiece of your campaign. Rick Davis, speaking on behalf of his $100 million man John McCain, earlier this month offered the latest formulation of Barack Obama as an effete, aloof denizen of the upper class:
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"Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day, demand 'MET-RX chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and bottles of a hard-to-find organic brew - Black Forest Berry Honest Tea' and worry about the price of arugula."
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Of course, Davis' "arugula war" is just another attempt at misdirection. After all, John McCain's $5 million threshold where "you move from middle class to rich" is just the latest episode of his enduring disconnect from the real lives of the American people.
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For starters, McCain in April declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, was back with the campaign last week.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.


In his defense, McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.


*The $100 Million Man*
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.


*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.


*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.


*McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break*
Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.


*Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt - Priceless*
That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.


*Charity Begins at Home*
As Harpers documented earlier this year, the McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:
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Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
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Ironically, the McCain campaign last week blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.


*Private Jet Setters*
As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."


*Help on the Homefront*
In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."


*Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes*
If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N38Ug_ugzXs
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Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | September 16, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Don Julio,

You need to join the dead zone crowd, for where have you been,

After all, it was Obama who said, and I quote,

"I would bomb Pakistan!"

So much for your war argument. And there is room in the dead zone for you!

Posted by: zombie | September 16, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

This just in. Sarah Palin has the solution for all our economic problems. We ask for $3 trillion in earmarks from China and the Middle East. They'll give us the money. Hey it worked in Alaska right? She knows how to fix things, you just beg for money.

Posted by: jw360 | September 16, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or are all McCain supporters fully trained ignorers of the truth? Their muddled truth machine spews out lies every day about McCain & Palin and all supporters just turn their cheeks on FACTS (ie Bridge to nowhere, etc.).

It seems to me that we are being attacked by aliens or something. Wake up and smell the lies folks, wake up.

Posted by: BitterSour | September 16, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight the economy is for the federal gov to fix, hmmm thought Russia and China and North Korea etc tried that and it didn't really work that good. What is it that Obama is going to do to fix the economy anyway? Oh yeah raise taxes through the roof. Ok that should work

Posted by: john | September 16, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the Chicago insider. More taxes if he's elected and more money to waste. Let's drink to the Obama future. Cheers!

Posted by: Mandelay | September 16, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

The spelling is 'fascist', but you are still right.

McCain/Palin = Fascism

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.Do we need the criminal president?"


Well we are getting used to the Supreme Court overturning all of Bush's laws. so we are used to a president who breaks the law.

Course in the example you quote no court agrees with you so Obama is only a criminal in your alleged mind.

~~~~~~~~~~~~KEATING 5~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Does this mean anything to you hard core McSurge fans? Even Cindy and her Dad jumped in to try to make money on that deal. The family was going to cut a fat hog in the ass on that deal.

First he was for corruption and then (after he got his fingers burnt) he decided to become honorable again.

My friends, sorry for that slight detour into sleaziness. But after I learned I am not very good at corruption I have found America and have decided to put America first.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I would believe,

by harboring the "old white guy vote", you were implying Mr. O's meeting with Daddy Clinton, correct?

Posted by: zombie | September 16, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

whats in it for you? Thats the bottom line.
If you earn over 200,000 a year there is a good reason for you to vote for mccain. The rest of us poor slobs have to take it in rear with higher taxes. I would vote for anyone but mccain who does not care about working people.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

If so, according to "Zombie" (name says a lot...): If you are a McCain believer than you must also believe:

1. More War. Bomb. Bomb. Bomb.
2. War is good for business.
3. Drill. Drill. Drill. Let's suck the Earth dry and leave future energy issues to future generations.
4. Let's legislate Women's Bodies. Only the Republicans have a direct line to God and He's given us the inside track.
5. If it isn't white and doesn't look like me - I should be afraid of it.
6. We 'Mericans settled this country on our own - don't need no world tellin' us how it ought to be ('cause God and divine wisdom is just for true Americans).

GO ZOMBIES.

Posted by: DonJulio | September 16, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain=Facist=Disaster for this country

Plain=Clueless=Disaster for the world

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm reading some articles coming out right now how Obama is proposing 5 billion to clean up the great lakes. Sounds like a good idea figuring the gov had an extra 5 billion laying around. You want to talk about more of the same.

Posted by: Truth | September 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

D.C. is in Chicago?

Republicans need a geography lesson.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama=Liberals=Disaster for this country

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"Forget Economics!

You must think the average American is a complete idiot. If you're Obama's support base these are your issues:

KILLING OF THE UNBORN
HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE
FEDERAL AETHEISM
NATIONAL QUOTA SYSTEMS
DECADENCE AND MEDIA POLLUTION

Yep, sorry everyone, but these are your real issues!"


Actually that's how the Republicans "spin" it to win over ignorant, religious people in this country. Sadly, it works wonderfully...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

****

Joey B and Barry Who?

jd


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Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama sold out his change mantra to buy the dull old white guy vote. It took him a few weeks to realize this was a mistake, but to his credit he did realize that it was indeed a mistake.

Posted by: Obama's mistake | September 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Bristol is not pregnant, you morons. She will conveniently, quietly and allegedly miscarriage after the election. Even you conservatives will be embarrassed by your gullibility --- nah... come to think of it, YOU still won't realize you've been duped.

Posted by: frank burns | September 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The fundamentals are still strong. One ought not generalize based on anecdotal evidence--a few unemployed, a few houses foreclosed, one or two recklessly managed investment banks go belly up. Most of us are employed, most of us are paying our mortgages, most financial firms are still healthy.

To find a correlation between policy-making and financial crises, don't look to the eight years of the Bush Administration--look to the two years since the Socialist Left took control of the Congress. QED, the crisis is the fault of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, et al. Further, while Sen. McCain may have voted 90% of the time with the Bush Administration, Messiah-Obama voted 100% of the time with Peolsi/Reid/Frank/et al.

Posted by: cinama | September 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@zombie

Forget Economics? You are a clown

You must think the average American is a complete idiot. If you're McCain's support base these are your issues:


MORE ILLEGAL WARS
NO HEALTHCARE or
REALLY EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE
NO EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN
NO CHOICE FOR WOMEN
GOV'T TELLING YOU HOW TO LIVE YOUR LIFE
TAXPAYER FUNDED BAILOUTS
NO RIGHT FOR CRIME VICTIMS
A MILITARY DRAFT
TRILLION $ NO BID CONTRACTS
MORE HUGE DEFICITS
LESS NATIONAL REVENUE
HIGHER TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS
ZERO ENERGY INDEPENDENCE

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

ahh, yes zombie, they do tend to present one face, but keep their hidden agenda in the shadows.

no worries, we've got you covered, and the people are finally waking up to understand the vile behavior of both the left and the right.

Posted by: independent raza girl | September 16, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"This Barack Obama commercial uses the Arizona senator's own words to make him appear out of touch with the havoc wreaked by the Wall Street meltdown -- and therefore is accurate in its portrayal."

While I agree with Obama, and while McCain did a major slip up.

Saying that using McCain's own words make it accurate....well everything in context, context, and yes, context.

Our economy is getting worse by the day, by the hour, McCain really should confront this.

Yet, I understand why McCain would say it is strong. He doesn't want everyone to think that the last 8 years destroyed our basic economy, that it wasn't Republicans who really crippled it.

Poor McCain, this could get him in more trouble.

On a lighter note, at least the campaign is back on McCain and not Palin.

Posted by: JohnE | September 16, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse


John McCain = WASHINGTON INSIDER
Joe Biden = WASHINGTON INSIDER
Obama = 0.9*WASHINGTON INSIDER

Palin '08!


Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

mccain is so mean

Posted by: snowangel | September 16, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

This week is when it's starting to turn around. The media blitz from the Liberals is wearing off and the real issues will come up - exposing Obama/Biden as lying imposters that they are. Watch the polls my friends - McCain will be up by 5-10 points by mid October!
America can't be that stupid for so long...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain = McBush

Posted by: kcc | September 16, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Kind of hard to be a Washington insider if you've been living in Chicago up until a couple of years ago. Get a grip on reality.

Posted by: Minnesota | September 16, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

The fundamentals are still strong. One ought not generalize based on anecdotal evidence--a few unemployed, a few houses foreclosed, one or two recklessly managed investment banks go belly up. Most of us are employed, most of us are paying our mortgages, most financial firms are still healthy.

To find a correlation between policy-making and financial crises, don't look to the eight years of the Bush Administration--look to the two years since the Socialist Left took control of the Congress. QED, the crisis is the fault of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, et al. Further, while Sen. McCain may have voted 90% of the time with the Bush Administration, Messiah-Obama voted 100% of the time with Peolsi/Reid/Frank/et al.

Posted by: cinama | September 16, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"UNFORTUNATELY OBAMA IS THE WASHINGTON INSIDER TOO"

I think you are confusing the definition of a Washington Insider here.

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NO IM NOT.HE IS THE WASHINGTON INSIDER

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Think of it this way.

We have been hearing since Reagan that “Government is the problem”; that government should get “out of the way”; that the private sector can always do it better and cheaper.

If one has this philosophy then it is natural to undermine government; to get it “out of the way”.

The Bush administration has systematically undermined the efficacy of the government by gutting any agency which it views as “standing in the way”.

You appoint “your guys” no matter how incompetent; you oust the professionals; you gut their budgets. You oppose anything which might “impede” the private sector corporations - consumer protections; food inspections; road and bridge inspection; financial regulations. You politicize the Justice Department, so that it finds nothing, even torture, objectionable. Anti-trust enforcement becomes non-existent.

You never lift a voice or use the bully pulpit against corporations shipping jobs wholesale overseas. Our retailers buy their inventory from China and you ship them our money, never insisting that China adjust its foreign exchange rate. Then you borrow the money back from China to plug our budget deficit, caused by corporate tax cuts and cuts for the top 1% of Americans. You ship the borrowed money to our oil suppliers and oppose any effort to reduce dependency by seeking alternative renewable sources of fuel. After all, you’re an oil man.

You start an unnecessary war costing hundreds of billions of dollars much of it going to favored construction companies doing work shoddy enough to electrocute ten soldiers in their showers. Hired thugs masquerading as “security details” rake in more of the money, answering to no one. You “rebuild” Iraq (which we never had to destroy anyway) while the Iraqis have almost $80 billion in the bank.

You shred the Constitution, abridge habeas corpus. You get elected by selling your “values” while robbing the country blind. You never talk about economics. You always scare the voters with the next bogeyman around the corner. When the media disagrees with you, you attack it as “unfair” with “liberal bias”. You start your own media outlets that parrot the party line.

You take the country into a permanent state of war with a volunteer army - a state so permanent no one even notices it anymore as they go to the mall. You ask nothing from them but their acquiescence.

“Just go shopping folks!”

What we clearly have now is a corporate state run by those who think law doesn’t apply to them.

Its called fascism

Posted by: toritto | September 16, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

This week is when it's starting to turn around. The media blitz from the Republicans is wearing off and the real issues will come up - exposing McCain/Palin as lying imposters that they are. Watch the polls my friends - Obama will be up by 5-10 points by mid October!
America can't be that stupid for so long...

Posted by: Macius | September 16, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Get this, McCcain admits he has no experience, and will instead "put people in place with the technical expertise"

You have got to be kidding me? This is what Obama said he would do, and the GOP jumped that its because of lack of experience.

The hypocrisy is alarming.

McCain senior policy advisor Doug Holtz-Eakin said McCain is better qualified to handle the current Wall Street crisis because of his history of working across the aisle on Capitol Hill to address major issues.

Holtz-Eakin provided little detail about

what a McCain administration would do to stabilize the markets and prevent a future crisis.

"The senator is not running to be treasury secretary. He's not running to be head of the SEC. He is running to be the leader of the United States. He can and has the judgment to put people in place with the technical expertise," he said.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Forget Economics!

You must think the average American is a complete idiot. If you're Obama's support base these are your issues:

KILLING OF THE UNBORN
HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE
FEDERAL AETHEISM
NATIONAL QUOTA SYSTEMS
DECADENCE AND MEDIA POLLUTION

Yep, sorry everyone, but these are your real issues!

Posted by: zombie | September 16, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama should start a retro 60's rock band - Obama and the Sleazeters. That way he could set his sleazy campaign themes to music and never have to talk about the issues.

Posted by: Mikey P | September 16, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

John Pinocchio McCain, who at 72 doesn't know how to use a computer, is clueless on Mortgage securities, the concept of a margin, and real estate price models. He talks about the fundamentals because they involve no specifics. Maybe John should take a Finance class at the local community college. Then he will be qualified to run for president.

Posted by: Steve | September 16, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

any cute guys on here wanna chat? hit me up at sexypalinlipstick@msn.com

Posted by: sexypalinlipstick | September 16, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Someone need to ask Obama about the Money He recived From Freddie and Fanne Mae. Also, McCain Speech in 2006 about Walstreet Regulation and how he tried to fight corruption on Wall Street.
Have the guts to look at the facts and you will see that Obama is not telling the truth about his record. This will come out during the debates I'm sure.

Posted by: Ken | September 16, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"the economy? gee, charlie what do you mean?" Lets do it Sarah's way.

FISCAL CONSERVATIVE -- here she is.

Sarah Palin’s portrait as a fiscal conservative when she ran the city of Wasilla, Alaska, as its mayor from 1996 to 2002. However, the truth is during her 6 years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33 percent.

According to figures provided by the city of Wasilla, the operating budget for Wasilla went from $6,050,160 in fiscal year 1996 to $9,393,768 in 2002. That’s a 55 percent increase.

A huge increases in tax revenues during her administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though; borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library?

No! $1 million for a park, $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex...She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 years without any borrowing.

Ms. Palin ordered city employees not to talk to the press. And she used city money to buy a white Suburban for the mayor’s use — employees sarcastically called it the mayor-mobile.

The fiscal year ending 1996 (when Palin took the reins), which showed the city’s long-term debt at $1.12 million, mostly for paving and sewer projects. The annual financial report for fiscal year ending June 30, 2002 — Palin’s last year in office — shows that the total long-term debt was $24.8 million. Long-term debt increased $23.7 million.

From $1.1 million to $23.7million – that is one large increase.

OOOHHH, THOSE REPUBLICAN ECONOMICS…GOLLY GEE

Sounds like crazy republican economics to me.

Can we do this much longer?

Posted by: basementfrog | September 16, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Cant wait for the debates.

http://www.FastArizona.com/McCain.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"UNFORTUNATELY OBAMA IS THE WASHINGTON INSIDER TOO"

I think you are confusing the definition of a Washington Insider here.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, TimW and wolf. It is encouraging to read your remarks. There is some sanity in this blog!

I hope the undecided are able to see the real issues. The reason Bush41 lost out on a second term of office was because it was the "economy, stupid." That is something Republicans in general (not just McCain) don't understand.

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse


John McCain = WASHINGTON INSIDER
Joe Biden = WASHINGTON INSIDER

Obama/Palin '08!


Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:44 PM

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UNFORTUNATELY OBAMA IS THE WASHINGTON INSIDER TOO

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"McCain's ad was true. A detailed, factual discussion of the Sex-Ed legislation: what it comprised & how Obama voted is at:"


The National Review is a Neo-Con soapbox that has been run AT A LOSS for decades. Translation: They PAY to spread their PROPAGANDA.

And don't even bother with the "liberal" media comments. Who owns the media companies???? Why do Republicans get free passes on controversies (unless convicted) but Democrats get dragged through the mud over anything (e.g. lipstick)...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who has looked at a serious problem, knows that identifying that problem and its causes is not giving into fear. It's the first step towards solving the problem.

Thank God, that one of the candidates is addressing the problems, rather than ignoring them with fluff-talk or sleaze.

--- Obama 08

Posted by: wolf | September 16, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"Well... this is the strait forward true about Obama and somewhat hypothetical about McCain"

So you're saying that because Obama bought a house with a criminal, that he is also a criminal? Excuse me if I'm paraphrasing, I'm a little confused here.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

John McCain = WASHINGTON INSIDER
Joe Biden = WASHINGTON INSIDER

Obama/Palin '08!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Since when does the captain of the ship blame the crew when it sinks? Republicans have been running congress for 12 of the last 14 years. They have had full control of the presidency for almost 8 years. Democrats have had to face bush vetoes for what little time they have beem in office.
Mccain is going to change this? He has proven hes a liar and votes with bush. Four years of Mccpain will sink this country.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.Do we need the criminal president?"

McCain broke the law when he helped support the Bush Doctrine and started an illegal war.

See, trying to tie someone in to someone else, using your logic, to try to uproot them is just pointless.

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Well... this is the strait forward true about Obama and somewhat hypothetical about McCain

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Language, people, please!

And I am talking to some of the Obama supporters here who are doing some nasty name-calling. Let's not drag our man down in the mud with that kind of behavior.

I know how frustrating it is when they call us communists for wanting to save our country from Republican wreckage but let's not fight with them here. We are better than that and they are not worth our energy. Let's take all that energy and start knocking on some doors instead! We need every vote we can get so let's go out there and get them!

Obama-Biden 2008!

Posted by: Mommy | September 16, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Mccain shouldn't say anything about the economy being sound because it isn't. However, the economy is sound for rich guys like him. Just the other day Mccain offered to pay for Obama's plane to accompany him at town hall meetings. How many people can afford to do that besides those of the wealthiest 2 % who are benefiting from the Bush tax cuts that Mccain wants to make permanent? Not many or any at all. Theres a big disconnect Mccain has with average Americans, and his statement yesterday about the fundamentals of the economy he thinks is still stong was the wrong thing to say on the same day Wall Street is crumbling. But this is what Mccain has always said, repeatedly, I'm just glad Obama was able to expose Mccain for the lies in his campaign and now Mccain thinking out loud about how stong the economy is for rich folkes like him.

Posted by: Tony | September 16, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Jabber, you're an idiot. You think that because McCain gave a personal interview, that he's better? Wow...

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

When someone's ideas are criticized, it is typical to smear them. That is what Aspergirl must do to defend her flawed logic.

Perhaps when she can see that since McCain feels the need for a commission to study the economy, and "craft legislation" to support it, that it is not sound. Of course, Aspergirl could just dismiss these facts and call me an idiot. That would accomplish about as much good as the Republican smear tactics have.

Congratulations, Aspergirl. You are an inane McCain supporter.

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

TODY MCCAIN DID AN INTERVIEW ON CNN! OBAMA SENT HIS "CHIMP" TO DO HIS! WAS OBAMA AFRAID THAT HE WOULD NOT KNOW THE ANSWERS WITHOUT HIS TELE PROMTER? JOE BIDIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRES, OBAMA IS, IF HE CAN'T DO A SIMPLE VIDIO INTERVIEW, OH WELL "CHATY KATHY" JOE BIDIN TALKED OUT OF HIS A-- AS USUAL, ASK HIM A SIMPLE QUESTION, AND THE BLAME WENT TO MCCAIN,BIDIN COULD NOT STAND BY OBAMAS THOUGHTS WITHOUT BRING DOWN MCCAIN, I GUESS THAT'S THE "CHANGE" WE WANT TO HERE

Posted by: JABBER | September 16, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I think, it's ironic, that AsperGirl, who says she wants to debate the issues with mature individuals, then resorts to side-stepping the issues with name-calling.

Posted by: wolf | September 16, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Palin will Put Obama on that bridge to nowhere.By by Lamobama!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

being an independent is like being invisible,and you might as well stay home!You dont count because your never gonna get elected!!Just go outside and yell who youd like for President..

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

McBama = flip flop

nuff said.

can we trust either McCain or Obama?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.Do we need the criminal president?"

McCain broke the law when he helped support the Bush Doctrine and started an illegal war.

See, trying to tie someone in to someone else, using your logic, to try to uproot them is just pointless.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain wants a "9/11 commission" on the economy. Interesting. Does that mean the economy is in crisis? Or does that mean the economy is fundamentally strong?

You can't have it both ways, Aspergirl. If Obama was "fearmongering" so is McCain.

Obama has been talking about the economy during his ENTIRE campaign. McCain just realized it was an issue. McCain doesn't care about the economy. He is using it as a campaign stump speech.

Aspergirl has evaluated Japan's lost 10 years, but she knows know little about the differences between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to the economy.

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin on a straightalk express ride on the bridge to nowhere.

You tell my fledgling 401(k) that the economy is fundamentally strong you idiot. It's real easy to say that chillin in 7 houses with your wifey and her family's 100 million dollar fortune she never worked a day in her life to earn.

Country First means getting rid of this GOP deadweight.

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | September 16, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Since when are our bond ratings "junk"?

Second of all, if our bond ratings are junk, then why are the Chinese loaning us money? Wouldn't that mean they are as stupid as the loan sharks that got our country into the subprime mortgage problem?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is out of touch and he needs to change his policies if he wants to be an agent of change. You can't talk about change and want to continue the same failed Bush policies. Isn't that a conflict. Basically, your policies or what you plan to do is distortion Mccains argument for change and reform because the question is what does he plan to reform if he continues the same policies that have everthing around us falling apart. My question for Mccain is what is he going to do different from Bush. He talks a good game but is he willing to walk a good game as well?

Posted by: James. | September 16, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"We should be borrowing from America. "

Because thanks to the Bush Administration, Americans don't have any cash to throw into war bonds, etc. Us normal everyday working class folk have no expendable income at this point.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"Why are we borrowing money from China? We should be borrowing from America. WWII was financed at least partly through debt, and this debt was American debt. (Anyone remember "War Bonds for Victory" or "Victory Bonds" or whatever they were?)"

Gotta ask your boy Bush. Maybe part of the reason is that this is an illegal war and it is not legal to issue "War" bonds when "War" has not been declared

Posted by: DJ | September 16, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.Do we need the criminal president?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl,

A lot of words, but, unfortunately, you have about as much grasp of the economy as McCain (very little). A weak American dollar, rising inflation, skyrocketing deficit, a housing/mortgage crisis, Wall Street crisis and a looming health care and social security disaster (and that is putting it mildly). You want your leaders to tell everyone everything is okay? That's good leadership? Obama is simply telling the truth and desperately wants to save the American economy from certain doom. Yes, he wants to get elected because electing McCain would be disastrous. Besides, even McCain is now saying that the economy is in crisis. Isn't he saying the sky is falling now just to get elected? I'd like to hear how you are going to defend him.

Posted by: Tim W. | September 16, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"Are all non-Republicans labeled Democrats now???"

Didn't you get the memo?

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

>> freesurf wrote: "Aspergirl says Obama is "fearmongering." Interesting. What does she make of McCain saying yesterday that the economy is in crisis? Is that fearmongering? Or will her Republican bias cause her to miss that logic?"

There is a huge difference bewteen saying that there is a "crisis" and that the fundamentals of our economy aren't sound. A crisis is about a problem or set of problems. If the fundamentals of the economy are broken, however, that is a "sky is falling" scenario.

You're all too immature & stupid to discuss with. I'm not posting comments to argue with intellectually vacuous Obama bots. If you don't have any critical thinking, don't attack posts you don't understand.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Why are we borrowing money from China? We should be borrowing from America. WWII was financed at least partly through debt, and this debt was American debt. (Anyone remember "War Bonds for Victory" or "Victory Bonds" or whatever they were?)"


Our bond rating is "junk" right now...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The liberals and the conservatives are all corporate shills, anyhow.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

anonymous- To say that Obama is a communist show's just how little intelligence you have. Wow, that would mean that over 20million americans are COMMUNIST! You must have been dropped as a child or you just don't get the basic fundamentals of the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. You should go back to whatever place that didn't allow abortions because you are the poster boy for failed births. You have nothing to add to this blog so you come with the dumbest of statements you suckbutt needledeek bugfuuker. I hope you're fixed so this country doesn't suffer anymore idiots with your bloodline. Stupid clown, talk about the issues and you'll see you have nothing to talk about, just like your candidate. You're probably mad cause Obama makes more money than you, has a better life than you. What you're a low income, pissed at the world arian fagg who thinks he is owed something? Since you're so educated or seem to know something, tell me ONE thing you agree with McClame on, ONE POLICY IDEA bro. Prove you're not a moron and come up with something you stupid suckbutt

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"As for debt, easy solution to that: rattle our nukes at other countries so they leave us alone"

Nobody (beyond the taliban, not a country) are threatening to attack us. Time to take the meds again eh?

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Well Forest Gump describes republicans best!! Stupid is,as stupid does..Its all right in front of your faces and you still dont see it.After almost 8yrs of Bush and you still dont see it!!There's just no help for some people!!

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"LIE!!!THEY INTENTIONALY DID NOTHING SO THEY COULD WIN ON THE 4TH OF NOVEMBER.NOT GOING TO HAPPEN LIBS CAUSE WE CAN SEE YOU THROUGH"


Funny, cause we knew you'd blame us for the past eight years when our "majority" consists of a couple of seats in the house and Independent candidates in the senate. Are all non-Republicans labeled Democrats now???

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"Hassles, right!!!!!!!!!!
Let’s see - They need and ID for :"

out of all of these thing you listed which is a right spelled out in the constitution? I will give you a hint the initials are Right. To. Vote

Stupid Neo-cons scare me

Posted by: DJ | September 16, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Liberals and their bosses the corporations always like to rewrite history. If it werent for Ronald Wilson Reagan all working class people would without forty hour workweeks vacation pay health care benefits Unemployment benefits
workplace safety standards You name it - the Liberals have stood against it. So dont piss on our legs and tell us its raining.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Why are we borrowing money from China? We should be borrowing from America. WWII was financed at least partly through debt, and this debt was American debt. (Anyone remember "War Bonds for Victory" or "Victory Bonds" or whatever they were?)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Figure this out before voting. Obama claims no tax increase and even claim a larger tax decrease for those earning less than $200K per year. That means employers earning more than $200K per year will make up the tax loss by terminating employees or not giving raises. As a small business owner I can tell you that my end income will not decrease but some of the employees will have a cut in hours or termination and there will be no raises untill my tax increase is made up. Obama is right in that most will get a larger tax break because if your no longer working then you don't pay taxes.

McCain/Palin 2008 HILLARY 2012

Posted by: jodi | September 16, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The strength of the American worker - what about the strength of the Chinese worker? And what about the fact that 90% of the young workers in the EU have masters degrees? And South Korea, and Japan, and Taiwan, Singapore, Canada, Australia, Mexico, India, Dubai? Wake up John.

Posted by: Steve | September 16, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

>>Janice wrote: "Mccain continues to defend his ad on sex preditors as teaching children sex education after repeated journalist and reporters said the Mccain ad is a lie and distortion of Obama's record..."

Only Obama bots believe the media's opinions anymore. Mainstream media is lying about McCain and hyping Obama. They are the ones lying and screaming false accusations of lying at McCain. Even factcheck.org is not factually accurate anymore.

McCain's ad was true. A detailed, factual discussion of the Sex-Ed legislation: what it comprised & how Obama voted is at:

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NzI3ZDUzOTE0ZThlMTU3MTY0MDI4ZTY0MTZhY2I2MGY=

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"When will Obama wake up and realize his friends over seas are the ones attacking our economy. What we really ought to do any company the off shores American jobs tarrif and tax thier product until they see the benifit of keeping American jobs in America"

You do realize that it has been the Bush Administration's fault for jobs going overseas right? McCain supported this decision. He still supports it. Blaming Obama is just the chicken way out.

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You do realize(I hope) that it has been the Liberal Congress's fault for jobs going overseas right? Obama supported this decision. He still supports it. Blaming McCain is just the chicken way out.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"The issue is that we are now nearly 10 TRILLION dollars in debt ALREADY and we are ALREADY at war....."

As for debt, easy solution to that: rattle our nukes at other countries so they leave us alone. As for being already at war, then spend more on PRODUCTION (including arms production, bombs, etc.) and, oh yeah, draft some people.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

And now McCain lies about what 'fundamentals" he meant.
The workers?

American workers have increased productivity every quarter for years, but their wages have not increased like the productivity, has it? No, the top 1% of earners have gotten all of the benefit of the American Workers' productivity.

Posted by: mtobias | September 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"As a poster put it so carefully right, WWII got us out of depression. War economies work. I for one am not a fan of that but it is the truth that no one really tells us."

Speaking of clueless you do realize that WWII got us out of the great depression because at that time the US was a manufacturing center for the world. Now that is China. Guess who we have been borrowing money from to pay for this war...? So you are correct war stimulates economies in this case China. Please tell me you are not that stupid.

Posted by: DJ | September 16, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl says Obama is "fearmongering."

Interesting. What does she make of McCain saying yesterday that the economy is in crisis? Is that fearmongering? Or will her Republican bias cause her to miss that logic?

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The economy is in a down turn, recession, depresion or whatever you want to call it because of greed and consumerism. From the individuals who cannot live within their means to the lending institutions that loan them money, it is all about greed and consumerism. Very little of the blame for our current mess can be tied to either political party.

Posted by: Angus | September 16, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Republicans and their bosses the corporations always like to rewrite history. If it werent for FDR, Johnson, Clinton all working class people would without forty hour workweeks vacation pay health care benefits Unemployment benefits
workplace safety standards You name it - the republicans have stood against it. So dont piss on our legs and tell us its raining.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Cindy Mccain is rich and her father worked hard and was able to accomplish the American dream. Unfortunately, thanks to Republicans rule over the past 8 years, that American dream lucky Cindy's father was possible, it isn't anymore. Mccain her husband who is in lock step with Bush wants to continue the same policies. Mccain is with Bush on healthcare, taxes, foriegn policy, and education. So ask yourself why are we fighting 2 wars and spending 10 billion a month in Iraq, army over stretch, losing in Afganistan, have no troops to send there, economy crumbling just as the Republican president is about to dump it onto the next president and Mccain thinks the fundamentals of the economy are still strong and wants to continue the same Bush policies. How will the same policies be any different if its failing now? Especially after he chose an inexperienced, unknowledgeable on national issues or any issues outside of Alaska, nor was interested in the issues before 2 weeks ago. When Mccain is 72 years old, had cancer 4 times. This is a dangerous and risky judgement call to pick Sarah Palin as VP. When the economy is crumbling and where fighting 2 wars. I don't think theres an American alive who thinks Palin is qualified to take on those challenges. Palin doesn't answer questions from reporters, She gives speeches prepared for her then if anybody questions her credentials, their called a sexist. I think the Mccain campaign are the sexist because their using her to rally up the Republican base something Mccain wasn't able to do and keepign her away from reporters as if she's incompetent, unreliable or just not trusted enough by the campaign to hold her own. Now thats sexist, to give a woman the title to be VP and then won't let her offend her posiition. This is 2008 going on 9 and its absurd how the Mccain campaign keep Palin locked up as a hostage, away from reporters and the American people.

Posted by: Janice. | September 16, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

McCrap and Nobama are both to blame. VOTE 3RD PARTY

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

The Depression occurred on Hoover's watch. It reached bottom early in Roosevelt's era. It started going up until 1937, when people whined about "bloated New Deal bureaucracy" and caused the dumping of several programs. That caused a recession. Then there was a recovery as various countries decided war would solve their problems, fought each other, and got the USA involved when one of those countries decided that terrorist attacks would be a good idea. THAT galvanized the government (still with Roosevelt in the WH) to splurge on war production, which got us out of the Depression once and for all.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"When will Obama wake up and realize his friends over seas are the ones attacking our economy. What we really ought to do any company the off shores American jobs tarrif and tax thier product until they see the benifit of keeping American jobs in America"

You do realize that it has been the Bush Administration's fault for jobs going overseas right? McCain supported this decision. He still supports it. Blaming Obama is just the chicken way out.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S BEEN RAKING IT IN FROM FAILING WALL STREET BANKS

The Wall Street Journal just came out with a profile of donations this election year. Obama's campaign donations from Wall Street banks have far outstripped McCain's this year.

The more corrupt/weak the bank, the more they favored Obama over McCain. Lehman expecially:

"Investment bank Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., which filed for bankruptcy-court protection early Monday, has been the eighth-largest corporate giver to Sen. Obama's campaign this election cycle, with Lehman employees donating $361,000. Lehman employees gave $117,500 to Sen. McCain's campaign."

more at:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122152311313139643.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

"MIAMI (Reuters) - Republican presidential nominee John McCain said on Tuesday he would set up a commission like the one that investigated the September 11 attacks to study what led to the current U.S. financial crisis and offer solutions.

"McCain would craft Wall Street reforms based on several principles including better corporate governance, consumer protection, a "derivatives clearing house" and an effective safety and soundness regulator for every financial institution, a senior adviser to the Arizona senator said."

more at: http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN1637555220080916

What McCain is pushing is exactly the kind of regulation, oversight and reform that Wall Street has been evading and lobbying against for years.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

for those saying Obama has never run anything:

After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens. Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.

his strength in community organizing is why 11 million people are now newly registered democrat voters, and how he was able to raise 66 million dollars in one month.

Posted by: John | September 16, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Please anonymous,get educated..youll be surprised how much it will help you make better decisions!!

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Just to inform you:It takes 10 votes over a majority, in congress to keep the president from being able to veto,thats why the democrats havent been able to get anything done.Before they won in 2006 the republicans held control for 12 yrs straight,thats why we are in this mess!!

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 12:15 PM

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LIE!!!THEY INTENTIONALY DID NOTHING SO THEY COULD WIN ON THE 4TH OF NOVEMBER.NOT GOING TO HAPPEN LIBS CAUSE WE CAN SEE YOU THROUGH

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

When will Obama wake up and realize his friends over seas are the ones attacking our economy. What we really ought to do any company the off shores American jobs tarrif and tax thier product until they see the benifit of keeping American jobs in America

Posted by: J Newcomb | September 16, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are completely without morals or integrity and will do and say anything to get elected. A perfect example is all the efforts they are putting into allowing people to vote without "the hassles of showing an ID.
Hassles, right!!!!!!!!!!
Let’s see - They need and ID for :
Opening a bank account,
Getting a library card
Financing a car
Getting a drivers license
Applying for a job
Getting medical attention
Buying insurance
Buying a home
Renting an apartment
Getting a credit card
Registering for college
Picking a kid up at daycare
Cashing a check
Getting a traffic ticket
To board a plane…………………………… etc, etc, etc, etc, etc
But for some reason the Democrats think that it’s a "hassle" to need an ID to vote-

They know they can't win fairly. I (and everyone with more than 2 brains cells rolling around in their heads) have to assume it is so every Democrat can go back to the polls 15 times and re-cast their ballot.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"Look at history. Look at the Great Depression. It was tax-and-spend (and wartime bonds) that got us out of the Depression... first, the New Deal, then, the Second World War played a role in getting America's economy back on its own two feet. It was massive government spending, particularly on industry, that did the trick.

SPEND BABY SPEND!"


Don't forget Social Security.

The issue is that we are now nearly 10 TRILLION dollars in debt ALREADY and we are ALREADY at war.....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

terribly sorry

@JR

that's www dot fdrs dot org

that's called the federal debt relief system. sorry that's its federal in name only but it should be federal.

Posted by: JR | September 16, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

As a poster put it so carefully right, WWII got us out of depression. War economies work. I for one am not a fan of that but it is the truth that no one really tells us. And you can thank Clinton for NAFTA. OMG, Dems are so clueless it is frightening they and illegals and dead people have the right to vote, hahahaha

Posted by: Obamination | September 16, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Just to inform you:It takes 10 votes over a majority, in congress to keep the president from being able to veto,thats why the democrats havent been able to get anything done.Before they won in 2006 the republicans held control for 12 yrs straight,thats why we are in this mess!!

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Dear history lesson distorter. FDR inherited Hoovers depression. Yes he was in charge. But part of the reason that FDR did anything was that the Hoover administration had benchmarks set up in place that you know nothing about obviously. And how in hell do you think Bill Clinton got our economy solvent? Try the Chinese. And yet because the media is so clueless (more so than their readers), you want to put Bush with the Chinese and our debt. FDR benefited from Hoover and Clinton from the Chinese. There you go. The ONLY 2 turnaround Presidents that the Dems can claim to fame. There is a reason that most Governors and Presidents are Reps. Blame blame blame blame. your 9% approval rated Congress and more of the same as more get elected this year will continue to destroy business and we will all go offshore and piss on you and your socialized programs.

Posted by: Obamination | September 16, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The Liberal foxes tell the chickens "Trust us well throw those bastard thieves out of the coop"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama isnt communist!Its George W Bush that have ties to the country most of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia...and the royal family..so hows that for ya?

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 12:06 PM

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Obama is the communist.You can as any communist and he or she will tell you that obama agenda=communist agenda

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

NAFTA was the beginning of the destruction of the middle class in America. When the statement "he works with his hands" became slander, was the second nail.

Face it. Americans have become lazy. I think I will buy a very expensive home and live in like a professional gambler, use my savings to purchase a Hummer. Borrow everything and be prepared to whine to the government loud enough so they will step in. Blame the financial institutions for misleading me.

Our politicians are only trying to get elected. It is their profession to appeal to the greed in the majority of voters. This is marketing. It is a value problem.

Yes, if my mortgage company called in my mortgage, I could pay it off. Maybe I should simply go to Vegas and gamble with this money then whine to the government that I did not understand they would keep it if I lost. Better yet, buy the most expensive home I can find and say I am doing it for my children. I can have a family home cell plan for only $99.00 per month. This will allow everyone to go in different directions. I can do what I want. They can do as they wish. We can all just live like there is no tomorrow.

Come on people, McCain and Obama are simply fighting for your vote and will say and do whatever is necessary to get it regardless if their personal beliefs. Does anyone really believe either is interested in helping?

China is growing and prospering and we are shrinking. Wonder why?

Posted by: Ed | September 16, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Look at history. Look at the Great Depression. It was tax-and-spend (and wartime bonds) that got us out of the Depression... first, the New Deal, then, the Second World War played a role in getting America's economy back on its own two feet. It was massive government spending, particularly on industry, that did the trick.

SPEND BABY SPEND!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The republicans foxes tell the chickens "Trust us well throw those bastard thieves out of the coop"

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Looking at dropping stock prices started two years ago when the Democrats took control of congress and did NOTHING, PROMISED CHANGE AND DID NOTHING but make matters worse so they could point fingers at GW BUSH. obama was one of the Dem Congress that did nothing like voting present instead of standing for something. He can easily point fingers at MCCain because McCain made changes, some obama does not agree with because standing for and believing in something is what he does not do.

Posted by: J Newcomb | September 16, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Listen folks, so I can tell you a little secret.

Most of your economic woes, such as the high costs of everything from health care, to mortgage payments, to food, and clothing, to numerous government compliances to tax payments and accounting, to well, basically everything that has to do with money...(and in this country, business-wise, that's mostly everything...) has a central problem that is basically overlooked.

and it started in 1913, when the government, namely YOUR representatives in congress, was hoodwinked into thinking that a separate institution, namely, a central bank, can better control the creaton of money and credit, than congress can, because it would provide for "elastic currency" and stability. And by LENDING most, if not all of the currency and credit, into the economy, letting government chase it down in the form of taxes, to pay for things, rather than congress creating the money to spend into the economy, or creating units of credit to lend, to banks to then lend to us..., and then taxing it out of the economy as needed...was a better way of doing the country's financial business, and would lead to prosperity.

And after inclusion of the 16th amendment (you know it as the 1040and the IRS as the Main way to chase down that money, two world wars, two "police actions" (actually five if you count not only Korea, and VietNam, but Iraq i and ii, and afghanistan, not to mention some others), a great despression, and a three bank bailout sessions) what have we got?

We are on a bridge to nowhere. It's acutally a TREADMILL TO NOWHERE and the only thing it profits are the banking institutions, period.

Perhaps it is time we revisit Lincoln's monetary model, you know, HIS greenback experiment. the one he used to fund the Civil war for two years and scared the banks in europe enough to have their lobbyists go to washington in 1863 to make the so-called "National Banking Act" (which was a forerunner to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913)

Why did Lincoln's Monetary experiment scare the banker? because it took the creation of money (paper) away from the the state banks, who used the value of people's collateral, to value the paper "dollar" to lend back out to them. and instead put the collateral as the governemt itself, and with the people being the creditors, government could then emit bills of credit, and then spend it into circulation, and in effect pay intrest to NOBODY, because the payment would be the goods and the services produced for the people!

Banks, naturally don't like that. How can they? They as an entity cant do what government (working in the name of the people) can. because they are not government. But they desire the power government can wield.

And now, of course, banks, not government
basiclly control the financial destiny of this country, and mostly every other industrialized country on the globe.

and that is the way the banks, and other financial institutions, like it.
and if you don't...well, why don't you do something about it?

goto WWW dot monetary dot org OR
www dot fds dot org

and read up on more information....

thank you!

Posted by: JR | September 16, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how Sarah Palin would feel about teen pregnancy if her own daughter wasnt pregnant?

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Mccain continues to defend his ad on sex preditors as teaching children sex education after repeated journalist and reporters said the Mccain ad is a lie and distortion of Obama's record. Therefore, Mccain is convinced of his own lies. What does it take? He was on the view talking about the lies in his campaign and the ads, he continues to defend them. Just like he has said repeatedly that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mccain doesn't get it. I'm glad that Obama put this ad out exposing Mccain and his campaign for the lies and the spin they have taken to win an election. No Mccliar/Imposter.

Posted by: Janice | September 16, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Yo, "McCain is Rich" idiots. Newsflash, so are EVERY politician in Congress, even the dumbass that is running for VP on your Demcrapic ticket. EVeryone is a millionaire. None of them had real jobs. Cindy McCains dad is a true American success story. Start with $10K and build an empire. Hence money. I wonder how in touch they were? More in touch than Mommy and Daddy paying for a liberal education at Harvard ($150K). Have you ever seen a poor politician on either side? Moron

Posted by: Obamination | September 16, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

um... Does any of Mccains supporters ever pay attention during their history class?! Before and during the Great Depression REPUBLICAN President Herbert Clark Hoover was quoted to have said that, "the economy will fix itself" and what happened. We had the Great Depression which lasted approximately 10 years before we had a DEMOCRATIC President Franklin Delano Roosevelt that came along and brought us back on our feet.

McCain, "The fundamentals of our economy are strong" isnt that basically saying the same thing as Hoover...

Now you tell me, do you prefer a President that will admit the problems before hand and work with the people to fix it or a President that will continuously deny the exist of a problem and go fishing while half the population are starving to death like President Hoover did during the Great Depression.

Also in regards to a few post before me, how is Obama applying the fear factor?! He is admitting the problem and working towards fixing it. As for him admitting Chinese workers are superior, there are documents to support that, Chinas economy has been on the rise while US is at a stand still and now dropping.

Personally I have no preference between these two Presidental candidates as they both have faults that I will not list right now being that the list will be as long as Aspergirls comment, but from what I'm seeing lately. I am leaning more to Obama.

Posted by: John | September 16, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain has launched the DoubleTalk Express and Sarah Palin is at the wheel of this bus. He said recently that he knows little of the economy and is on the record being against regulation of Wall St. before he was for it. Phil Gramm (Texas, Enron) a McCain financial advisor called Americans a bunch of whiners about the economy. McCain says he is bullish about the economy until the market crashed. McCain, whose family wealth is in excess of $100 Million has supported the combination of huge expenses for the Iraq War and tax cuts for the extremely wealthy that has helped to drive our economy into the dirt. He has supported Bush economic policies and rejection of Wall Street oversight for the past eight years. Palin can only repeat what McCain tells her to say about the economy and based on his actions, his claims of economic insight and reform are nothing but distortions and empty rhetoric.

Posted by: jefflz | September 16, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama isnt communist!Its George W Bush that have ties to the country most of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia...and the royal family..so hows that for ya?

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs economy to be weak so he can win.Not going to happen Lamobama!What an idiot!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Sex education for the kindergarten baby-Obama more crack-brained than his Liberal friends.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:03 PM
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Wow...just a perfect example of an ignorant person who listens to the lies McCain says. Did you know that this "sex-education" for kindergarteners is actually teaching them about inappropriate touching and to stay away from pedophiles to protect them?? And it puts a policy in place on how teachers can talk to young children if those children ask where babies come from? Get your facts straight!

Posted by: Jess | September 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Funny that democrat would have the audacity to bring up morals.

The most moralist thing a person can do for another is give them thier freedom.. The second is honesty.

Shall we compare both party's in this regard -

As I recall, the lovely and charming Democrat party has given America
the Ku Klux Klan, White Primaries,
Poll Taxes,
"voter literacy tests",
Gerrymandering,
Union thugs intimidating voters,
the Daley machine,
the Prendergast machine,
Tammany Hall and ,
more recently, has registered tens of thousands of illegal aliens to vote.

That while the Republicans have delivered the two most important contributions to American Civil Rights in American history- 1) Lincoln
2)Overcoming filibuster after filibuster to make sure the civil rights act of 1964 actually got past over the fierce objections of ignorant racists Democrats.

This tribe of miscreants is unfit to lead and cannot be trusted to govern a local little league much less the United States of America.

Please spare us your tripe about unfair elections and your mindless drivel about the virtues and morality of Obama, the Democratic Party or its constituents.

Posted by: r | September 16, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The US economy is NOT fundamentally strong:

It has zero household savings.

It has VERY LOW fixed business investment relative to GDP or corporate profits -- American businesses are not investing this country.

The federal government has a huge structural deficit and is printing money like tomorrow.

The US sends more and more of its vanish wealth to foreign countries to pay for oil

20% of our GDP is to produce the lowest quality health care in the developed world.

The US economy is fundamentally WEAK and GOING DOWN THE TUBES, thanks to decades of Republican mismanagement.

Posted by: mnjam | September 16, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

in response to anonymous, Barack Obama has only been married once, and never dumped his wife for anyone else. you are spreading either propaganda or just lies. It was McCain who was still married while he was courting his current wife.

Please stick to the issues at hand, Mr. McCain came off as completely out of touch, and of all people quoted Herbert Hoover, the republican president in office during the Great Depression.

that was a very VERY bad mistake.

Posted by: John | September 16, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear Valjean1,

Somewhat well said.

It is not George W. as much as it is the whole republican economic agenda since 1980. The ol' Reaganomics, trickle-down theatrics (not a theory) that has come to full fruition. Cut tax and rich people (who don't need the risk) will start or invest in new companies and the money will just trickle down like that; more jobs, higher salaries, lower prices, better standard of living for all. A very rosy picture indeed.

Problem: an economic theory that is childish, unrealistic, and self-serving.

Of couarse, there is the get the government off people's backs by reducing the size of the government and reduce government spend. A flat out lie. Republicans are the worst at arresting government spending or reducing its size.

The shift was from social services (like education, medicare, etc.) to giving the money to thier political friends and donors (see Katina gifts to corporations who never spent a dime in New Orleans or those private contractors in Iraq -- big or small). So the rich get rich by taking tax payer money and gifting it to Halliburton or Blackwater USA.

And getting the government off our backs means reducing regulations that protect our communities from polution, exploitation and destruction so corporations can more easily make profits with worrying about the consequences of thier actions. Poluted rivers (mississippi is destroyed with the highests cancer rates in the US), oceans poluted (California coast is so poluted shell fish can no longer be eaten from Oregan and Mexico), landscapes everywhere totally ruined for mining (hello, Sen. Byrd good bye West Virgina mountains).

And speak of good bye: globalization to stay competitive aganist those evil Japanese who were going to take over the world. So good bye jobs, but globalization will keep prices lower on our goods (if you have money to buy them) even though they won't be made here.

Now the killer we are experiencing today: massive pools of capital created by tax rates that are too low. These massive pools of capital constantly look for places to invest. Hence, 1990s stock market over valued from 1994 to 2000 when it collapsed; currency markets manipulated and finally collapsed 1997; now the real estate market pushed to unrealistic levels by the massive pools of cash seeking out new investments creates too many houses and the offering them to anyone regardless of financial means to keep the game alive; energy prices push by the same game (Enron's traders recall, recent oil and other commondity prices).

The recent inflation (manipulate and dishonest since reprogrammed in 1980s and 1990s so it always seems low and is really totally inaccurate and misleading -- price adusted pay raises or social security checks, well. we won't have any of that) is not due to supply and demand. It is the result of these massive pools of capital seeking investment returns and jacking prices through the roof.

And to help all this out, let's allow Wall St. (eliminate regulations in place since 1930s) to create all sorts of hybred products that even the professionals don't understand and merges of institutions that eventually participate the collapse of (at best jeapordize) the whole financial system world-wide.

It's insane. Hi, Ronnie and thanks; the stinch of your self-serving individualism with its heart in "country be damned; greed is good; show me the money" has come to full bloom. PeeYou.

The whole program is out of wack. We need to rethink the whole structure.

(1) set at flat tax rate of 20% on all income under $1,000,000 and 50% on every income dollar about the first $1,000,000 except for corporations which keep the 20%.

(2) eliminate all deductions. Every pays as outlined above for the benefit of the whole country.

(3) eliminate lobbyist ability to buy politicans. No gifts, no contributions, No exceptions. Talk is fine, but no trips, no planes, no drinks. Period. If caught, you will be immediately removed from office. Money does not equal free speech, Judge Rehnquist. So go screw your self you old dead fart.

(4) corporations cannot make any kind of contribution to politican for any reason. The don't have voting rights and are not individuals with any constitutional rights.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"Sex education for the kindergarten baby-Obama more crack-brained than his Liberal friends."


Good-touch, bad-touch lessons protect children from abuse.

But you'd rather they be naive and impressionable, right???

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

This wasn't the first time Mccain has said the fundamentals of the economy are strong. He has said this stupid statement several times over and over again. Finally, he's being called out and proven to be out of touch and disconnected with the average voter. Mccain is speaking for himself and other rich like him when he says the fundamentals of the economy are strong because he's benefiting from the Bush tax cuts. For Mccain and Cindy the economy are strong because their filthy rich, so rich he doesn't even know how many houses he owns. Now he wants to lie again and say he was talking about the American worker. Than why didn't he say that. Since when the average worker is the same as the fundamentals of the economy. Mccain is a liar, his campaign advisors are liars, like Tucker Bounds, who vouched for Sarah Palin's Iraq and Kuwait trip, and it was a lie. Palin hasn't been to Iraq but that didn't stop the Mccain campaign for lying about it. Common the Mccain campaign can't be trusted. Again on Good Morning Joe, Mccain said that his ad was correct and not misleading about Obama's bill to inform Children of sex offenders or preditors. Mccain is just a liar and willing to lie to win a campaign. Its disgusting and dishonorable and unAmerican.

Posted by: Lindsey | September 16, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | September 16, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The cause of all of these "speculative" bubbles that keep popping is the injection of wealth to the already wealthy.

They just move their money from one investment to the next, overinflating their values.

While the rest of us wonder how we will ever retire or continue to support our families...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Phil Gramm and Mccain will make dumpster diving the new U.S. olympic sport.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Sex education for the kindergarten baby-Obama more crack-brained than his Liberal friends.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Anyone thinking our economy is sound right now,must have his head in the sand or up his a--!! What a moron!!

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl's posts are nothing more than self-inflated drivel.

Rather than post your novels on this blog, you ought to publish them.

Oh, wait. I forgot. Your intellectual development is so great, you make anonymous attacks on others. That is the mark of a true genuis.

Congratulations, aspergirl. You have achieved intellectual superiority. LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The fundamentals are strong. An excellent work force, very productive. We have a of getting through the downturn caused by high energy prices and the debacle of subprime market where all are to blame, borrowers, lenders and the Government (that includes the Congress that bellowed for making home ownership for all). If the fool, Reid, and Pelosi will get off of their wacko positions we will tap our domestic resources. If we do not properly inflated tires and alternative sources will not save us in the short run. They should hang the CEOs or Lehman and other firms that got into this mess and, of course, will receive bonuses regardless. McCain knows every bit as much about the economy as Obama--probably more. what did Obama's man, Rubin, do, not much.

Posted by: tknewell | September 16, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

And the lies continue:

Just out off of the AP, McCain ( who says he knows nothing about technology ) helped created the BlackBerry...

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g1MSY3Bgt7YC5XHmxAdt9VkOlvhwD937S7SG1

I'm sure, the inventors of the BlackBerry just could not have done it without McCain's technical expertise and guidance.


-- an Independent for Obama.

Posted by: wolf | September 16, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Correction to my 10:51 post: " Japan lost a year of economic health because after a hyperinflationary growth period it refused to let some nationally prominent but dysfunctional banks fail."

Should read: " Japan lost 10 years of economic health because after a hyperinflationary growth period it refused to let some nationally prominent but dysfunctional banks fail."

That is known as "Japan's lost decade".

It's a tough decision for Hank Paulson to let the Wall Street banks fail, but it is necessary. The economy isn't disintegrating, but there is a needed failing of bad, corrupt investment banks & contraction in the financial sector to more useful levels, that the federal government is making an eyes-open choice to let happen. They are making the right choice.

McCain is right that the economy is fundamentally sound, & other economic leaders back him up.

Obama's fear-mongering to try to beat the bushes to create an economic-fear-vote momentum for himself. He would encourage a loss of confidence in Wall Street and a run on banks to help drive his polling numbers up. That's evil.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Keynesian Economics '08! Keynesian economics '08!

Spend Baby Spend!
Spend Baby Spend!
Spend Baby Spend!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Got news for you Democrats. As a former Republican and now an Indie/Libertarian I can tell you that when times are tough, Dems get a crack at the so called "change" banner they wave every 4 years. But when there is real World turmoil and now a Market "gaff" certainly no collapse, the Reps get back in. Outside wacko cities like SF, NYC, Boston, and other "safe havens" for Atheists, Agnostics, and legislation from the bench Constitution destroyers, most Americans want security. And the Dems still don't get they can't continue to ride on the backs of poor people in their limos cuz they are just as corrupt as anyone else. The sky is falling the sky is falling. Sorry but it doesnt work. You better hope it doesnt get worse. I mean with a President with a 24% approval rating and a candidate who has been campaigning for President longer than he has been doing anything in the Senate, you should be ahead by 25% in the polls. What does that really tell us? You can only fool the people with a teleprompter, slick talking Manchurian candidate so long. So keep it up. Rule the Internet and places it doesn't matter. Cuz when times get rough, they go Rep. Dems better go register more illegal aliens in SF and dead people they are famous for. Voter fraud. hahaha. Dems are the party of voter fraud and fear. Too bad the Reps are dumbasses when it comes to negative campaigning cuz they dont do it half as good as the Dems and media do. Very much like this slanderous post on this pathetic soon to be out of business newspaper.

Posted by: Obamination | September 16, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama is the communist with a lot of connection to the groups that have communist agenda for this country.Do we need a communist in WH and be like Notrh korea?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"Now lets look at McCain. After coming home from the Hanoi Hilton, he saw that his wife (former beauty queen) had been disfigured in an accident and had gained a lot of weight. So what did he do? He divorced her and married the Heiress a month later. Yes, lets talk about morals."


Actually, it's worse. He cheated on his wife with MANY women before finding "Mrs. Right"...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

If mccain gets elected well all be P.O.W. - Permanently Out of Work.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

To all the silly Republicans:

*If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."* Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, and you're a maverick.* Graduate from Harvard Law School and be President of the Law Review, and you are unstable.* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well-grounded.* If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with more than 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second-highest ranking executive.* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.* If you teach responsible, age-appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner-city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.* If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DUI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

This is a no-brainer. Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Jess | September 16, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"If American economy is so bad, how come that in August, Senator Obama got $66 million?"


We are many and we are strong.

We will win back our country...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Yep, what we need is, another four years of ''McNOMICS'', aka, 'FREE-TRADE', NO Govt REGULATION / OVERSIGHT, 'TRICKLE DOWN' NAFTA kind of policies, to run us deep into the ground, if DUBYA doesn't do so by the end of his term - -

GOOD LORD JESUS, How much more CRAP can we take form these Repugnants, in one election cycle ?? PLEASE HAVE MERCY ON US !!!!!!

Posted by: AMIGO | September 16, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"IF you need it explained to you or referenced to some research, you're not worth wasting time on. Go read & memorize talking points if that is the level of your intellectual development."

Just give me one quote from Obama that you consider to be "the sky is falling"-type statements.

If it's as self-evident as you suggest, it shouldn't be that hard. It will be harder than cutting and pasting talking points, though.

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

lol

Posted by: yona loriner | September 16, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"Concidering Obama cheated on his wife and dumped her for a South side Chicago gul.... how's the saying go... once a cheat, alway's a cheat??"

Care to state your source for this? Or are you just making crap up again. That would be my guess.

Now lets look at McCain. After coming home from the Hanoi Hilton, he saw that his wife (former beauty queen) had been disfigured in an accident and had gained a lot of weight. So what did he do? He divorced her and married the Heiress a month later. Yes, lets talk about morals.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Note to azkmb

Obama has put the blame rightly where it belongs: with Republicans who ignore the issues.

McCain hasn't offered any suggestions about improving the economy, because until today, he didn't think it needed to be fixed!

Obama has presented a plan, as Xander points out in his post.

Maybe you should comment after you understand the issues

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Morals?Liberals dont know the meaning of that word!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

McCain pawned the values and lost the claim ticket, so it's all or nothing this time. Obama’s emotion force him to jump when the smallest opposition. Biden never listens to what he is saying. Palin charmed the club door bouncer, but can’t dance a lick. What a group of cartoons....

Posted by: welcomtotheshow | September 16, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

>> Duffman wrote: "AsperGirl wrote: "A real leader doesn't exaggerate and scream "the sky is falling" and "we're all doomed" when we are in the midst of an unfolding financial crisis where containment of the fallout of bank failures requires limiting the loss of public confidence in the system. "
--You've already been asked to provide sources to back your assertions, but instead choose to post the same thing over, and over again.
:::::::
The above is (1) an opinion & (2) self-evident. IF you need it explained to you or referenced to some research, you're not worth wasting time on. Go read & memorize talking points if that is the level of your intellectual development.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Morals ??? That's a joke. Politics and Morals don't mix.
Anonymous, really??? What's her name?
I would really like to know, because that would only cement my voting for Bob Barr.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:50 AM

Concidering Obama cheated on his wife and dumped her for a South side Chicago gul.... how's the saying go... once a cheat, alway's a cheat??

Neither candiate has the "moral" high-ground. That's why I'm sick and tired of the race. Both sides have reached an all time low in my book.

Posted by: independent | September 16, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Morals?Republicans dont know the meaning of that word!With Jack Abermoff,Scanlon,Rove,Karine Harris,Mark foley,Dennis Hastert,James Tobin Thomas,Bob Ney,Ralph Reed, and the list goes on and on of crooks and thieves I would talk about morals..

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Let ol' Mccain take another nap---like Rip Van Winkle he probably woke up and thought he was still in the last Democrat President's economy when he said the fundamentals of the economy are strong----Remember when there were budget surplusses? Democrat in office....When the stock market was in sound condition?? Democrat in office.....When the U.S. economy and the Dollar were respected around the world??? .....Democrat in office. ....WELL, THEN LET'S ELECT ANOTHER DEMOCRAT AND FIX THE DISASTROUS BUSH AND NOW MCCAIN POLICIES AND PHILOSOPHIES++++IT'S TIME FOR OBAMA and BIDEN TO GET TO WORK!!!

Posted by: benighse | September 16, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Phil Gramm is an economist who became a senator from Texas precisly to push thru the de-regulation that is the cause of the current mess. If you don't think the Liberal Comgress are at fault here you are an idiot.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Obama's fear mongering talk hurts us"

THIS IS LAUGHABLE!

How many times did we see and hear "9/11" and the RNC?

This is the truth. The truth hurts. Too bad.

Posted by: iH8uAll | September 16, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

McCain pawned the values and lost the claim ticket, so it's all or nothing this time. Obama’s emotion force him to jump when the smallest opposition. Biden never listens to what he is saying. Palin charmed the club door bouncer, but can’t dance a lick. What a group of cartoons....

Posted by: WelcomtotheShow | September 16, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"The US capitalist economy is not in a total collapse."

Where did he say it was?

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

FAILURES IN THE FINANCIAL SECTOR ARE NECESSARY

What is happening to the financial sector is necessary and beneficial. The bloat of the financial sector started during the Clinton years with his sweeping deregulation of the trading and finance markets that make things like the Enron loophole and the investment bank expansion into new business areas possible. The Alan Greenspan print-more-money-to-drive-growth inflationary monetary expansion period also started during the Clinton years. In essence, Clinton abandoned Rob Reich's labor-and-strong-infrastructure approach to building a strong economy and he went with Bob Rubin's use-finance-and-money-supply to inflate the economy via a fat financial sector. Bush inherited and continued these policies, and, moreover, contributed more grossly inflationary and damaging problems by driving the federal deficit to massive, historic levels and completely ignoring the corrupt and greedy excesses and abuses of the financial sector.

The financial sector fed and grew to be a size and proportion of our economy that is totally disproportionate to how large it should be for the economy that supports it. The bloat was in the past fed by the large amount of money we've been sending abroad to buy foreign oil -- massive amounts in the hundreds of billions a year, that was coming back to us in the form of sovereign wealth funds and international hedge funds buying into these mortgage-backed securities and other investment schemes. The massive spending on foreign oil, mostly on credit, has created a huge "liquidity bubble" that fed the financial sector bloat. Well, even though we are still sending money abroad, the international interest in buying our credit-backed derivatives and other investment schemes has evaporated. With the loss of liquidity, asset values that were inflated, like stock and home prices, are falling as they should. Now, the bloated financial sector is so excessive and unable to support itself that parts of it HAVE to fail and have to be culled out.

The bloated (and some would say corrupt and inefficient) financial sector has to shrink. The firms themselves could shrink by de-leveraging their debt, which would have the effect of shrinking themselves -- reversing their growth trends. But these firms, for the half-year since the Bear Sterns bailout and the year since the first warning signs that they were going to topple, have not been doing that. These large investment banks are taking advantage of the low fed interest rates, term auction facility and discount lending windows, to eke out a failing existence, refusing to lend to the regional banks. So, what has to happen now is to stop propping them up, let the ones who can't hang on fail and the strongest ones who still do functional business and contribute to the economy will survive.

When the financial sector is cleared out of the useless, bloated baggage and the bad assets they are hiding and lying about on their balances sheets are marked to market, then the credit markets will open up again. Japan lost a year of economic health because after a hyperinflationary growth period it refused to let some nationally prominent but dysfunctional banks fail.

What is happening in the financial sector is a necessary function of contraction in the financial sector that we need to get on with, for normalcy to return to the housing sector and other parts of the economy that rely on credit.

We have some other problem areas to fix: our dependence on foreign oil (energy price spikes) and globalization effects on certain sectors of manufacturing (job losses), that obviously need executive attention that Bush hasn't shown. McCain is on top of those issues, more than Obama. Obama has only a lame and impotent energy plan and his formulaic, knee-jerk protectionism.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Phil Gramm is an economist who became a senator from Texas precisly to push thru the de-regulation that is the cause of the current mess. If you don't think the RepubliCONS are at fault here you are an idiot.

Posted by: doug | September 16, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

On the contrary, it was the media and the Liberals that tried to deny the escalating situation for the past SEVERAL YEARS....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Enough bullcrap! Mccains financial buddy Phil Gramm opened the door to depression with his deregulation and freewheeling approach to the banking industry. This avalanche cant be stopped now but why let this idiot make it any worse?

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Morals ??? That's a joke. Politics and Morals don't mix.

Concidering Obama cheated on his wife and dumped her for a South side Chicago gul.... how's the saying go... once a cheat, alway's a cheat??

Neither candiate has the "moral" high-ground. That's why I'm sick and tired of the race. Both sides have reached an all time low in my book.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Admittedly this ad paints a more chilling reality of our economy than some of our erudite economic pundits like Donald Luskin or Senator Phill Gramm, who view any negativity as "whining" and "exaggerations". I've seen the mess that this financial crisis has caused in Michigan's housing market as well as the loss of jobs. I'd rather vote Obama and a different direction from the present one that is tearing our country apart.

Posted by: Kerry Berger | September 16, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Look. Most of us have no clue what it's like to have to figure out which key fits the lock on one of our seven houses. Do you think McCain worries about whether gasoline costs $4 or $5 a gallon? As if he may not be able to afford it? We have no idea what it's like to be rich; and the rich have no idea what it's like to not be rich. Of course McCain is out of touch with the rest of us. So was Bush. The only rich politician who had any idea about what it was like to be poor was Bobby Kennedy. That's because he made it a point to find out. Obama hasn't been well off long enough to forget what it was like paying off student loans. So, if having empathy for the rest of us is the criterion for being president - the logical vote is for Obama. Politics is a rich man's sport. The rest of us can't afford to be in politics. We're too busy trying to pay our mortgages, car loans, gasing up our cars, and keeping our lights lit.

Posted by: Rob | September 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"Only the media, which has by now sold their souls to the journalism devil to support Obama, would help Obama hype the fear and uncertainty in the middle of a banking crises, the damned to hell fools that they are."


On the contrary, it was the media and the REPUBLICANS that tried to deny the escalating situation for the past SEVERAL YEARS....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Note to Joe Southfield,

McCain has 25 years of experience, and he sounds less intelligent than Obama, as this ad points out.

McCain admits that he doesn't know much about the economy.

Anyone who votes for someone who admits they don't know much is REALLY stupid!

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"If you can tell me what barack will do for the economy or anything else let me know. "

www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/EconomicPolicyFullPlan.pdf

Here you go.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Republican morals:

Vote Republican because the best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

Vote Republican because "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.

Vote Republican because a woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

Vote Republican because Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

Vote Republican because Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness.

Vote Republican because group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican.

Vote Republican because if condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

Vote Republican because a good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

Vote Republican because HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at heart.

Vote Republican because providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

Vote Republican because global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

Vote Republican because Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Vote Republican because being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

Vote Republican because a president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Vote Republican because Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

Vote Republican because the public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business.

Vote Republican because what Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

Vote Republican because trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

Vote Republican because "Country First" is more important than "Family First".

Vote Republican because winning an election by hook or by crook is better for the country than losing it fairly and honestly.

Posted by: cbmtrx | September 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Everything is really OK.

The so called housing crisis is really the bubble finally popping... nothing more than the value (or prices) of homes adjusting to where they belong, as opposed to what overspeculation wanted.

None of this is due to optimism as much as a lack of realism. All getting back of course to one's political views.

Posted by: Everything is OK | September 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

to complete the sentence, "...get MCCAIN OUT of the way."

Also, this whole financial crisis can be traced back to REPUBLICAN's beloved Ronny, when he deregulated the financial system.

sorry dem bashers, you lose!

Posted by: iH8uAll | September 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

AsperGirl -

"A real leader doesn't exaggerate and scream "the sky is falling" and "we're all doomed" when we are in the midst of an unfolding financial crisis where containment of the fallout of bank failures requires limiting the loss of public confidence in the system. "

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You've already been asked to provide sources to back your assertions, but instead choose to post the same thing over, and over again.

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Senator Obama loves exaggerations. The US capitalist economy is not in a total collapse. Senator Obama is pushing a fear panic-vote. How irresponsible! If American economy is so bad, how come that in August, Senator Obama got $66 million?
No Obama. Stop the fear.
vote for McCain/Palin 08
Hillary Clinton 2012

Posted by: mmarii | September 16, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Are you really putting up their education credentials? Hahahaha. Most billionaires and Multi-Millionaires are not well educated. Most didn't even finish college. A business owner is much better equipped to run our government than professional politicians that have been on my dime for the past 25 years. As looney tune as Minnesota is, at least they will take a chance on someone outside the establishment and that is what we need. I want someone from the streets and not some Economics professor. They brought us deregulation and our pathetic economy.

Posted by: Obamination | September 16, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Liberals CLAIM to have morals. Their actions show the contrary...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Morals ??? That's a joke. Politics and Morals don't mix.

Concidering McCain cheated on his wife and dumped her for a Cheer Leader with money.... how's the saying go... once a cheat, alway's a cheat??

Neither candiate has the "moral" high-ground. That's why I'm sick and tired of the race. Both sides have reached an all time low in my book.

Posted by: independent | September 16, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Can we let Reagan die already, in case everyone forgot his presidency was not exactly one of the most sound one on the economic fronts. This election is finally starting to be about an issue, thank god for the stock market making it happen, and shoving it down our throats. It is taking this though to make all of them talk about a real issue though and stop talking about petty crap!

The bottom line is still that we are in a really screwed up situation here and no matter who gets in this office it will be a tough job. I personally would rather have someone with a fresh outlook and ideas in there that has the support of the congress on his side. McCain will be battling congress every step of the way.

Posted by: Kelly | September 16, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Be careful what you wish for. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Nothing short of nationalizing businesses, raising taxes to 80% of earned income and re-distributing wealth to those who have not earned or worked for it will immediately remedy our current financial predicament. This is called communism. If we hope to weather this financial crisis and maintain any semblance of the America we all love and cherish, we need to change our philosophy of borrowing without saving, and end the bipartisan blame-game bickering - even on important issues. This will take perseverance, patience and a commitment to success.

Posted by: soothsayer | September 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I have to say I'm sick and tired of this race already. Don't really like either one of them.

Why should I give the liberals next crack at it? Let me get this right,they and their Congress sunk this country over the last 3 years (world standing, economy etc.) and I'm supposed to give them another 4 years???

And don't get me wrong, I don't like McCain either with his programs. But he can do any worse than Liberal Congress

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

" if he never managed any enterprise. "

What "enterprise" did McCain manage?

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"If you want morals vote Republican."


HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

That's a good one.

Republicans CLAIM to have morals. Their actions show the contrary...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous wrote: "Obama's economic plan involves large tax increases, which are guaranteed to result in economic stagnation rather than growth."

The Obama campaign has already widely announced their intent to cut taxes for up to 95% of the population, excluding--of course--the rich and super rich who have already benefited in spades from the system of commerce afforded them by the United States.

Or would you rather the government sent out more tax rebate checks? Those obviously worked wonders.

Posted by: cbmtrx | September 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans conned Clinton into deregulating industry, etc. When they came in under dear Newtie, they clamored that all holds be eliminated on business, and Clinton went along with it. Republicans are to blame for this mess, not the Democrats. And MCCAIN is the REPUBLICAN... do we need more of 'em?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"If you want morals vote Republican.

If you want benefits for the working class vote Democrat."

I think the GOP's morals went out the window when they started blatantly lying. And gee, I'm the working class, so benefits sound pretty nice.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Fundamentals?

The USA is furiously deindustrializing, exporting jobs to other countries, neglecting the education of our brightest students, running our economy on imported oil, building McMansions and "vacation homes" like money grows on trees, and we're hocking our grandchildren to foreign banks to pay for it.

I'm rather distressed that in all of the coverage I've seen over the "financial sector crisis" that nobody pays much attention to the fact that a major contributor has been foreign banks backing off on lending more money to the United States. Not that I would, in their position.

I don't see either party, or the news media, addressing the actual fundamentals here.

Posted by: D. C. Sessions | September 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S FEAR MONGERING TALK HURTS US

A real leader doesn't exaggerate and scream "the sky is falling" and "we're all doomed" when we are in the midst of an unfolding financial crisis where containment of the fallout of bank failures requires limiting the loss of public confidence in the system.

Obama's a damned fool who would rather win an election than help calm public fear to help our economy avoid a panic-driven meltdown of the financial system. All the real leaders were out yesterday making reassuring noises, which were true, by the way. Except Obama. Obama would rather go around hyping the fear and exaggerating the systemic seriousness of the problem. Only Obama was out yesterday shrilling fearful gloom-and-doom statements (that were exaggerations) hoping to capitalize on the Lehman bankruptcy to beat the bushes to drive up an economic-fear vote.

Is there any further proof needed as to whom is a leader and whom is a shrill, self-promoting political animal? McCain was not only saying necessary calming things, but the things he was saying were in fact true. Yesterday afternoon, Bloomberg came out and agreed with McCain's statement that the fundamentals of our economy are strong, and so have others.

Only the media, which has by now sold their souls to the journalism devil to support Obama, would help Obama hype the fear and uncertainty in the middle of a banking crises, the damned to hell fools that they are. The media has sunk below the level of divorce lawyer in being the scumbag, unethical professionals this election year. I hope their efforts to hype economic fear and insecurity to help their shallow, self-serving, narcissistic candidate gets exposed as being both factually incorrect and cynical politics, before Obama's the-sky-is-falling gets out of hand and helps spread any undue panic.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I find it difficult to accept that I live in a country in which the electorate is divided nearly 50-50 on this presidential election. The people voting for the PALIN-McCain ticket must be one or more of the following: Very wealthy, very religiously basic, Very racist or very stupid. Very depressing.

Posted by: john w. | September 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

WOW. Barack nailed it. He told me exactly what he would do for the economy in htat add?

All the Democrats can do for us is blame someone else and gather people together to accuse the other side of something.

Don't buy this BS. If you can tell me what barack will do for the economy or anything else let me know.

BLAME BLAME BLAME. that is all he can do good!

Posted by: azkmb | September 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

How can Obama speak about economy, if he never managed any enterprise. He may be a lawyer, may be a senator, may be a community organizer, but not an economist. He relies only on his 300 surronding intellectuals who would like to transform the United States from a capitalist state to a socialist state. This is deja vu!

Posted by: Emile | September 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Bush just had two terms and you see where our country is.Now you want to put insane McCain in there?Geez people,whats it gonna take for you to wake up and smell the crap?

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Obama's economic plan involves large tax increases, which are guaranteed to result in economic stagnation rather than growth."


Obama's plan puts money back in the pockets of the consumers, the drivers of our economy.

Even the rich will only be taxed at a Reagan-era level...

http://forums.mercurynews.com/topic/facts-about-obama-and-mccain-tax-plans

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

If you want morals vote Republican.

If you want benefits for the working class vote Democrat.

Obama is just damn scary with 2 years of experience, only an idiot would elect him.

Posted by: Joe Southfield | September 16, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I have to say I'm sick and tired of this race already. Don't really like either one of them.

Why should I give the repubs another crack at it? Let me get this right,they sunk this country over the last 8 years (world standing, economy, an Iraq war we didn't need etc.) and I'm supposed to give them another 4 years???

And don't get me wrong, I don't like Obama either with his bigger government programs. But he can do any worse than Bush... can you say mission accomplished... where BinLadin???

Posted by: independent | September 16, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to say it but those companies deserved to fall apart. Thanks to Bill Clinton and the Democrats. The Democrats only had two turnaround Presidents in History. Both set up by Republicans. That being FDR and Clinton. And Clinton deregulated every industry, The Dot.bomb fiasco, and the "Glass-Steagall" act that stood since the days of FDR. That allowed for subprime mortgages and risky unregulated investments. No beauracrat can run a business better than a private owner. The Greed of the 90s finally caught up a decade later under the 9% approval rated Democratic do nothing congress. Just wait til they get a filibuster proof majority Senate. Obamination is nothing more than a Manchurian candidate at best. And all those in sub prime houses deserve to loose them. Sorry but they couldn't afford them to begin with. Thank you Slick Willy Bill Clinton. Making sure everyone has a home they really can't afford to keep. Dems and Reps did it both. But it all originated with the candidate that Obamination chooses to align with.

Posted by: Obamination | September 16, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Xander - It is not wise to responded to a sweeping and vague statement with an equally sweeping and vague statement, and then assume that gives you the authority to tell them what they should do in the future.

A quick google search led me to this website, which does seem to offer actual details: http://www.usbudgetwatch.org/

Posted by: reader | September 16, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Educational background of candidates:

Barack Obama
- Occidental College - Two years.
-Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
-Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Joe Biden
-University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
-Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

John McCain
-United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 of 899

Sarah Palin
-Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
-North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
-University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
-Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
-University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

I personally don't think A-type MBA's should be in charge of the government, heck, look what they've done to wall street. Let's get the people who DEPEND on lobbiests, such as McCain.

Again, if either candidate wins, I sure do hope ACCOUNTABILITY returns to government. For the last 8 years there has been none, and that goes for these wimpy democrats who didn't IMPEACH every last one of the administration who has manipulated the propaganda on this trillion dollar war that we will never be able to pay for.


Posted by: iH8uAll | September 16, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Robt writes;
you might want to look at the Dow ...and take a look at exactly when it started to tank (along with increasing unemployment, increased foreclosures, increased interest rates). Gosh - it was exactly when the morons on the left took over congress.

Are you kidding me Robt? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW AN ECONOMY WORKS? Economies are like aircraft carriers, they take a long time to turn around and do not do so on a dime. The fact that these problems started occurring around when the dems taking over is impossible to attribute to them because before they could create any new policy, the symptoms were already happening in the market. There is no way they could be responsible. The Republicans had control of the white house, senate and house for the last 8 years. They got to put all their policies in place and and have it their way, and look what happened to our economy? We went from record surpluses to record deficits, spend 10 billion a week on the war, 9800 homes being foreclosed a day, and an interest rate cycle that went from 1% after it started to decline in 01' to 5.25% in 07. The interest rate cycle is not determined by congress, its determined by the Federal Reserve Bank which has no political bias. So how in the world could you attribute the high interest rates to the dems when it started increasing during the republican controlled senate and house?

Do you really have any idea how economies function? The unemployment rate going down is a symptom of what has been happening for years. The housing market was the cause for the boom, thus from 2001 - 2004 it had created 40+% of all the new jobs in the US (via construction, real estate, etc). If that goes bust, you lose a ton of jobs. People using the housing market as a second income once they lost that, could not afford their lifestyle. So they spend less money and hence less business and hence less jobs available after job cuts. You also have the rising costs of oil, which make driving more expensive, which makes bigger cars more expensive, which the idiot US automakers invested in so heavily without making more fuel efficient vehicles, which means less sales, which means less jobs.

These are some of the major causes for the economic problems and they take years to create. They could not have happened under the dems watch. So again, how in the world do you figure your reasoning that its the left controlled congress that is responsible? You clearly have no idea how macroeconomics works.

Posted by: Arjun | September 16, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

It's not rocket science. the Republicans knew what woulkd happen if we went to war. Cheney outlined it in 1998 on tape. Start a war that costs a bundle when the national debt is so high and the world will lose faith that you can ever pay it back. They stop lending. We lose liquidity. the cycle stops and we're screwed. They knew it in 1998 and did it anyway. If you knew your credit cards were maxed and you knew your job would never be able to pay you enough to get out of debt, would you go buy a car , and a boat, and a motorcycle???? Hell NO! But they did. And they did it with your money and then gave tax credits to the very few who were selling cars and boats. When the bills came , they gave em to you and me.... who didn't buy overpriced houses and didn't have credit cards maxed out.

Posted by: Marcus | September 16, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

gavin dickinson: Bush's intent was unambiguous. Nice try.

Posted by: cbmtrx | September 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

If you don't like Mcbama, then vote THIRD PARTY! There is more to our political system than just the Democrats and Republicans.

Posted by: No McCain nObama | September 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.Do we need the criminal president?"

Thiere is one more time just for you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Exactly what the democrats needed. Get the GOP back on the defensive. Sarah Palin who?

Posted by: ProfessionalChristian | September 16, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

GOP messed up the economy under the disguise of National security!! or what they popularly call making America Safe!! America was/is safe we dont need any more fear mongering from the GOP!. While common folks are suffering Dick Cheney and the rest are getting richer through their Oil companies!! stop being duped wake-up America!!. God forbid if Mcain wins! cindy will turn this Great Nation in to a land of drunkeness!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Note to edgeco1,

I guess I will be the first to point it out to you that the Obama campaign's key words are "hope" and "change."

As this ad points out, McCain asks us to bury our heads in the sand and avoid the problem. This is the same philosophy of government that Bush43 has provided in the last 8 years.

Obama's message is all about hope, because we can change the status quo.

Posted by: freesurf | September 16, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Obama spent much of his early life in assisting families with their financial troubles ( finding jobs, organizing people, etc ). McCain, on the other hand has openly admitted multiple times throughout this campaign, that he does not understand economics ( or technology )...

To me, Obama seems the better choice.

Posted by: wolf | September 16, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I had no idea there were so many idiots in this country!!To give another republican the White House again would be like saying to the rest of the world,yes we are stupid,we dont need any enemies to destroy our country we are doing it ourselves just fine thank you......we like the trickle down theory,we want to be trickled down to nothing...

Posted by: 1 | September 16, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Bos if Obama happened to be white he would be crush down long time ago.Wahtcha smoking?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.Do we need the criminal president?"


What law is that? Rezko is in trouble for other matters...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Okay, all of you commenters who keep alluding to the "Fannie and Freddie" problem as an example of big, bad government, let me explain it to you--Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac WERE NOT government agencies, they were PRIVATE SECTOR corporations being traded on the stock market. If you don't believe me, please do some research on the internet and read it for yourself. It is so frightening to me to see people so ignorant of the facts spreading their misinformation to the masses. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE everyone take off your political team hats and look at facts, not spin. If anything is to blame for the financial mess, it is too little government regulation, not too much. Republicans, who had control of the legislature (and thus were responsible for most of the laws passed) from January 1993 until January 2007, generally favor deregulating financial industries and allowing them to police themselves. All of these financial collapses now going on are a product of these industries being allowed to police themselves--they don't do very well because they get greedy and irresponsible. And now that these industries have failed under their own watch, they ask government to intervene to keep them alive, which the government does because it's so afraid that the country's economy will go into a tailspin if these big, greedy corporations go under. Here's a newsflash though--that's the way capitalism works. If you really want a free market, then you have to let companies that don't succeed get washed away and then deal with the consequences. Companies shouldn't be allowed to pick and choose when they want government intervention--if they won't accept government regulations in good times, then they shouldn't expect government assistance in bad times.

Posted by: Angela | September 16, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't see how Obama can really argue that he's strong on the economy.

Obama's economic plan involves large tax increases, which are guaranteed to result in economic stagnation rather than growth.

In the current economic climate, this is almost certain to cause a deep recession.

Obama's campaign seems to be arguing that the economy is very bad, and hoping that voters don't analyze the impact of Obama's proposed solution.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.Do we need the criminal president?"

You post this lie in every thread on this site, is it a script you're running, or are you actually maually posting this?

If it's the latter, that's really pathetic. Not that the former isn't.

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama is taking using devious methods to twist words. But the secret is, many of us see that deception for what it is: LYING.

How is that "new style" campainging?

By the way, Obama sits on the Finance Committee which has oversight -- and he missed 17 of 17 meetings this year. For those doing the math, that's NONE -- the same amount of executive experience he has.

Ironically, Obama wants to INCREASE governmental bureaucracies, when the Freddie/Fannie mess is what you get when government gets bigger and bigger.

Go McCain / PALIN!!!!
Posted by: Edgar Andrews | September 16, 2008 11:01 AM
________________________________________

Mr. Andrews:

I think you're terribly misled. John McCain has the worst attendance record in the 110th Congress. He has missed more votes than Sen. Johnson from South Dakota who was absent from a brain hemorrhage.

Also, you shouldn't criticize Sen. Obama for lying when John McCain continues to lie about Sarah Palin's "Thanks but no thanks" to the Bridge to Nowhere when she actually fought for it before it became a wound to Alaska's politics. He also lies that Obama wants to raise taxes when he will cut taxes for more than 80 percent of working Americans. He lied about attendance at his rallies. He lied about Palin's earmark reforms when she had the highest per-person, per-capita earmarks in the entire country. So I wouldn't talk about Obama lying.

Also, Fannie Mae was founded in 1938, Freddie Mac in 1970. They survived--obviously--for many years just fine, so it's not the Democrats' "big government" that caused this mess. It's the economy, stupid.

Get your facts straight...
Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Jess | September 16, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse


defecate or wind his watch - mccains idea of a change depends on his depends being changed.

Posted by: seems to me | September 16, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post tilts toward the left, printing biased commentary as news, to serve their own agenda.

Posted by: Kevin | September 16, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal Rezko.Do we need the criminal president?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

That's okay, let the small few continue to tout McCain/Palin because they still have a few dollars in the bank.

But I know this for sure . . . there are now 40,000 Lehman Brothers employees that is voting for Obama in November. 'Cause guess what? The Republican Party non-regulation pushed them out of a job. There are 60,000 Hewlett Packard employees that will vote for Obama . . . because they know they'll need a healthier economy to get a job in the next few months. As each bank goes into bankruptcy, there will be thousands more that will CURSE the Republican Party for what they did to them.

You don't think so? Ask some Michigan voters what they think of the Republican Party right now.

Posted by: Lola Sanderman | September 16, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"but when other people come and slam on the McCain economic policy with lies, it still bugs the crap out of me. "

I don't need to lie, I told the truth about McCain's helathcare plan. Even with his tax credits, it's a net loss for the american taxpayer.

You don't need to lie when the truth is so mind-bogglingly stupid.

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Palin says she would of Rather of Been Huckabee's VP., I agree with that. I feel the same way.
http://www.skip08.com
Ive given up on the 2008 election, I am not the only one.
http://www.skip08.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

If Obama happened to be white, many of the people against him would have a different point of view. McCain and his bucket of fluff are incompetent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLWEDMLmjKk

Posted by: Bos | September 16, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Cant wait for the debates.

http://www.FastArizona.com/McCain.html

Posted by: McCain | September 16, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama is the communist with the communist agenda for this country.Do we need a communist in WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

F*#K pathetic losers. McCain said the fundamentals of American will power and solid worth ethic will prevail while we reform, regulate, and deregulate across the board. What does Obamination know of being a business owner? What do most Democrat know of anything outside of being a professional politician? The 9% approval rated Democratic congress was on the watch here. And your lovely former President got rid of FDR's "Glass Steagall" act in 1996 making it possible for the sub prime and risky investment with no oversight. Get the Facts straight. Even with your slanderous ads your campaign and those associated with it are an Obamination as much as the Washington Post and NY Times are. Lemings. Idiots.

Posted by: Obamination | September 16, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

eliminate the tax cuts to the rich! for the benefit of all! remember if McCain-Bush3-Palin win they will be lame ducks (polar bears) with a Democratic controlled Congress!

Posted by: philosopherkingtomas | September 16, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

One name: PHIL GRAMM. He led the deregulation of the banking sector that led to the current crisis. If elected, McCain will let him run Treasury. They'll destroy the middle class.

Go 'Bama!

Posted by: Mecklen | September 16, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"dishonest, mccain's plan includes tax credits which will cause an over net savings for taxpayers..."

This is once again why I'm so sick of the sheep. I am an Obama supporter through and through, but when other people come and slam on the McCain economic policy with lies, it still bugs the crap out of me. If you believe everything you read on websites and blogs, then you're just another in the herd of mindless voters. Try researching a little. You'd be surprised what you might find.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I think we should be hard on Mr. McCain. He has said these same things all through the last two years and varying forms of this over his history. Your definition of economics isn't helpful and misses the point. You know this. The American economy is ill and it is a big illness. Now it isn't a cancer that we'll die of, but many many people are being hurt and their children hurt in big ways. This is fundamental, Sir.

Haven't the Republicans been in power for the last 8 years and for decades? The Republicans have controlled both Congress and the Executive. Am I missing something?

We remember events that got public support like the scandel of "The Keeting 5", "Enron" and many others. There certainly were windows of opportunity to do something. Yes, democrats are to blame, too, but hey the Republicans had the power and were practicing a harder game of partisanship that had never been seen before.
Senator McCain, a 26 yr veteran REPUBLICAN and Bush/Cheney supporter is stuck to this financial and economic problem like a Siamese twin. Yes, he can do better. But Mr McCain will do much better and the country will do much better if there is change in the executive. Mr. McCain is a hero from 44 years ago, but he is not a reformer. And he certainly deserves a little credit for the economic and financial problems we are in now including the price tag of the largest tax cut to corporations that didn't need it and a trillion dollar price tag on a war that we did not need. Yes, I think Mr. McCain deserves a little credit in a big credit disaster.

Posted by: lucy2008 | September 16, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

i vote for.....

Posted by: cherry | September 16, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"..this is propaganda, the mission accomplished banner was referring to the successful completion of the carrier's deployment.."

So the next time I drive to work and park the car I can turn around and drive home saying my day is over?

Posted by: jameo | September 16, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Richaado/California you said "Obama sounds and looks intelligent". Intelligent compared to what - an imbecile?

Have you ever heard him speak extemporaneously - he is without question a moron. Why do you think the dodged the town hall meetings with McCain - he cannot string two sentences together without 25 uh's, um's, oh's, or er's........ etc, etc, etc.

One sign of intellect is to be able to think on your feet. He can't even think when he's sitting on his brains.

Posted by: robt | September 16, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Remember these big banks and investment firms just a few years ago were paying themselves record bonuses? So much so that they drove up the prices in the New York City real estate market even further. John McCain wants to be your President, and he says our economy has strong fundamentals. Is he referring to the continued off-shoring of blue collar manufacturing jobs? Is he referring to the nosediving value of the U.S. dollar? Is he referring to deregulated commodities speculation that has been driving up the cost of everything? Is he referring to credit card companies and banks increasing their profits through the collection of penalties and fees instead of sound lending and business practices? Is he referring to variable rate home loans to questionable borrowers bundled up and sold around the world as investment grade securities? Is he referring to CEO's making hundreds of millions of dollars in salary, bonuses, and separation packages while driving their companies into the ground? Is he referring to our $9.5 trillion in national debt that is just about to double-up after the 8 years of Republican don't-tax and spend-like-drunken-sailors-on-shore-leave policies.

The fundamentals of our economy are out of whack. It's a house of cards and we are still seeing the upper floors collapse. Yet, there are those that don't agree, like John McCain. He's not insensitive, he's just price insensitive. He has his sugar momma so he's got his, so it must be difficult to see what it is like for everyone else. For him to go in front of the country and say the economic fundamentals are strong is just throwing "hope" around.

Posted by: high5apparatus | September 16, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"dishonest, mccain's plan includes tax credits which will cause an over net savings for taxpayers..."

It will by no means do that. John McCain's Tax credits include $5,000 per family and $2,500 per individual whereas the average cost of coverage per family is $12,000.

That's a net loss of $7,000 according to basic arithmetic.

What numbers are you using?

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

""Every economist will tell you that the National debt will grow quicker with Obama's economic plan than with McCain's. "

Actually virtually every economic analyst in the country is saying that Obama's plan will work better than McCain's to try to stabalize our hemorraging economy. Try reading a little more instead of believing what other people tell you.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

" the mission accomplished banner was referring to the successful completion of
the carrier's deployment."

This is spin.

The content of Bush's speech in front of that banner proves you wrong.

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

""You mean like the tax that John McCain wants to charge businesses who provide health coverage for their workers?

McCain's plan for healthcare is to encourage businesses to *not* provide or contribute to healthcare coverage for their workers
""

dishonest, mccain's plan includes tax credits which will cause an over net savings for taxpayers...

Posted by: gain | September 16, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Senator BO is the candidate of change for sure. He changed his mind about his pastor his church his acceptence of public financing (another bad judgment call), his stance on drilling, his stance on Israel, and his stance on unconditional talks with Ak min a wak job of Iran. If he gets elected Moveon.org, Pelosi, and Reid will be running the Government. BO has voted with them more than 90% of the time other than when he didn't vote present, because he couldn't figure out whether to defecate of wind his watch.

Posted by: A.E. Burgin | September 16, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The saddest thing that this election illustrates, is how many people just buy all the lies of the GOP, without thinking.
This mess isn't only on Bush, it's the whole GOP ideology of deregulation, trickle-down/supply-side corporate socialism.
The GOP has held the White House 28 of the last 40 years, including the last 8; nominated seven of the nine Supreme Court justices and held Congress for 12 of the last 14 years, including 6 of the last 8.
Yet, it's the Dems fault.
People... this isn't a Reality Show. This is Reality. Think before you vote... and stop voting against your kids.

Posted by: jon | September 16, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hope there's a big ad buy for this one. That's pretty effective.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | September 16, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"Every economist will tell you that the National debt will grow quicker with Obama's economic plan than with McCain's. "

What's your source? I'd love to read the opinons of several economists on the two candidates policies. I assume it's in some sort of convient location for you to make such a sweeping statement.

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

AsperGirl:
With all respects where did you go to school? coz it seems my ten year old understands economy more than you do! no wonder you are a follower of Mcain! Look at the real issue! stop the Reps stupidity!!

Posted by: braggingrights! | September 16, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Clarified wrote: "John McCain believes strongly in the American workers (while Obama was quoted as saying Chinese workers were superior)"

Bunk. The Obama campaign ran ads throughout the Olympic Games touting the American workforce as the backbone of the country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRgWpa_rnWQ

Take your McSpin somewhere else.

Posted by: cbmtrx | September 16, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

""It's like when Bush insisted that the mission in Iraq was "Accomplished". I should just stop whining and keep drinking the Kool-Aid.""

this is propaganda, the mission accomplished banner was referring to the successful completion of the carrier's deployment.

Posted by: gavin dickinson | September 16, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"he's out saying the sky is falling."

Where is he saying that?

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Adjustable rate mortgage, bad idea.
Bubble mortgage, bad idea.
$150,000 home for $600 per month, temporary at best.
The person that invented these should be slapped. The person that buys into these should be slapped, but not as hard. Poor financial judgement has its price and many Americans are paying up now.

Posted by: Bob | September 16, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"ALASKA LOVES SARAH for the great work she has done reforming government to work for the citizens"

Actually, there was a large protest a couple of days ago for people of Alaska that are against Palin. There is about a 50/50 split between Palin supporters and anti-Palins in Alaska. Considering they only have a population of around 600,000 for the entire state, that's not a huge difference.

"AMERICA IS FALLING IN LOVE WITH SARAH for her genuine sincerity, honesty and brilliant mind."

Actually, she's been shown as a liar and inept when it comes to the issues. Whether it be the Bridge to Nowhere (she was for it while she ran for Governor, and after Congress killed the project, Palin was 'against it' all the while keeping the money. Or when it comes to her being interviewed by Gibson and showing her lack of knowledge of many important issues, both domestically and foreign.

This woman is not fit to run the local PTA let alone a country.

Posted by: Xander | September 16, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Aspergirl.

GET A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Shane | September 16, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately Merrill-Lynch is a result of the dominoe effect. All investment institutions are feeling the ripples and yes, they weren't as strong as they should have been. Just like the levees in New Orleans weren't as strong as they should have been. They could handle a Cat-1 but not a Cat-3. So yes, some of the current issues are from lack of oversight, but much of it is from the housing market, junk bonds, and most of all: stupidity.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Wow - one of the best ad this election!

Posted by: Dave | September 16, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"National debt: $ 9,690,431,450,559.87 The estimated population of the United States is 304,738,531 so each citizen's share of this debt is $31,799.38"...

Every economist will tell you that the National debt will grow quicker with Obama's economic plan than with McCain's. (although both will increase it)

As an Obama supporter are you sure you want to use the national debt as an argument against McCain when your candidate will make it worse?

Posted by: National Debt | September 16, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Note to Edgar Andrews who posted at 11:01 a.m. that "By the way, Obama sits on the Finance Committee which has oversight -- and he missed 17 of 17 meetings this year."

Senator Obama is not a member of the Senate Finance Committee. The list of Finance Committee members can be found at http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/committee.htm. Senator Obama sits on the following committees, none of which have jurisdiction over Wall Street or the banking industry: Foreign Relations, Veterans' Affairs, Health/Education/Labor/Pensions, and Homeland Security & Government Affairs.

I worry a lot about how Americans get their information if they are reading stupid things like this on the blogs that are made available by the WASHINGTON POST.

Posted by: correcting the record | September 16, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

AMERICA SUCKS according to Obama!

I love it when the opposition talks down about America and its workers. Please keep it up :)

I guess that Obama forgot the message from FDR that HOPE sells!
We have nothing to fear, but FEAR ( another word for obama) itself!

edge.

Posted by: edgeco1 | September 16, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The value of our dollar is in the tank.
House prices MUST come down.
We're injecting money as if we were in a depression (call it a stimulus, it's still a feable attempt).
We rescued otherwise PRIVATE companies at the taxpayer's expense.
Unemployment is rising.
Inflation is affecting everyone. Have -you- tried to buy milk lately?

This isn't just about the peak oil issue. This is about Bernanke keeping the interest rates so low, that not only is the value of our dollar tanking, parts of the world is starting to starve.

To say that our economy is "strong" translates to me to "I still have 5 million in the bank and several houses, so everything is okay".

I feel sorry for either cnadidate who gets elected, because this country is in a HUGE mess (even if people are in denial about it).

Posted by: iH8uAll | September 16, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"Any taxes applied on businesses will be passed on to customers in price increases or if business can't stay competitive will result in job loses. That's our path with Obama"

You mean like the tax that John McCain wants to charge businesses who provide health coverage for their workers?

McCain's plan for healthcare is to encourage businesses to *not* provide or contribute to healthcare coverage for their workers.

Posted by: Duffman | September 16, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Obama is being really responsible. Rather than reassuring the country that we can weather the storm (which we can), he's out saying the sky is falling.

Why?

Because a Second Great Depression would only help Obama's campaign.

Thanks for being part of the problem, Barry.

Posted by: Falshrmjgr | September 16, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Our economy and the national debt HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON. No one is going to ever pay it off. Before we even think about paying it off the government will simply seize foreign interests and nationalize them (then sell them to private interests after a few years) just like every other government in the world does.

If someone asked you to pay off your mortgage tomorrow -- could you? Would you?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous wrote: "You are all taking the 'easy way' out while pointing your fingers at everyone but yourself."

You're right. Citizens are responsible for Merrill Lynch's implosion--even those citizens who had nothing invested in that firm. How silly of me.

It's like when Bush insisted that the mission in Iraq was "Accomplished". I should just stop whining and keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

Posted by: cbmtrx | September 16, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

The way things are!!!banks are going under faster than a bullet. Need some advice start saving your money under the mattress!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Many of us have been debating the wrong issue. This is really a campaign about intelligence and stupidity. Bush sounds (and acts) stupid and that's why some people still like him and why intelligent people hate him so emotionally. McCain honestly looks a little better, but still, he graduated 5 from the bottom out of 900 in the Naval Academy, he's a class clown. Gov. Palin is not worth discussing. Biden is (too) articulate. Obama does not have a big record of achievement, but he sounds and looks intelligent. He focuses his thoughts. Harvard Law Review. Wrote his own books and they're good. That's the point. Now what does America need?

Posted by: Richaado/California | September 16, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday afternoon, Bloomberg came out and agreed with McCain's statement, and so have others. The dim-bulb media is entranced by Obama's ridicule, but economists & economic policy leaders are not, for the following reasons:

(1) What is happening to the financial sector is necessary and beneficial. The bloat of the financial sector started during the Clinton years with his sweeping deregulation of the trading & finance markets that make things like the Enron loophole & the investment bank expansion into new business areas possible. The Alan Greenspan print-more-money-to-drive-growth inflationary monetary expansion period also started during the Clinton years. In essence, Clinton abandoned Rob Reich's labor-and-strong-infrastructure approach to building a strong economy & he went with Bob Rubin's use-finance-and-money-supply to inflate the economy via a fat financial sector. Bush inherited & continued these policies, and, moreover, contributed more grossly inflationary & damaging problems by driving the federal deficit to massive, historic levels & completely ignoring the corrupt & greedy excesses & abuses of the financial sector.

The financial sector fed and grew to be a size and proportion of our economy that is totally disproportionate to how large it should be for the economy that supports it. The bloat was in the past fed by the large amount of money we've been sending abroad to buy foreign oil -- massive amounts in the hundreds of billions a year, that was coming back to us in the form of sovereign wealth funds & international hedge funds buying into these mortgage-backed securities and other investment schemes. The massive spending on foreign oil, mostly on credit, has created a huge "liquidity bubble" that fed the financial sector bloat. Well, even though we are still sending money abroad, the international interest in buying our credit-backed derivatives & other investment schemes has evaporated, so the bloated financial sector is so excess & unable to support itself now that parts of it HAVE to fail & have to be culled out.

The bloated (and some would say corrupt & inefficient) financial sector has to shrink. The firms themselves could shrink by de-leveraging their debt, which would have the effect of shrinking themselves -- reversing their growth trends. But these firms, for the half-year since the Bear Sterns bailout and the year since the first warning signs that they were going to topple, have not been doing that. These large investment banks are taking advantage of the low fed interest rates, term auction facility & discount lending windows, to eke out a failing existence, refusing to lend to the regional banks. So, what has to happen now is to stop propping them up, let the ones who can't hang on fail and the strongest ones who still do functional business & contribute to the economy will survive.

When the financial sector is cleared out of the useless, bloated baggage and the bad assets they are hiding and lying about on their balances sheets are marked to market, then the credit markets will open up again.

What is happening in the financial sector is a necessary function of contraction in the financial sector that we need to get on with, for normalcy to return to the housing sector and other parts of the economy that rely on credit. This is a healthy function of a free market economy. Japan lost a decade of economic strength by propping up several nationally prominent dysfunctional banks that needed to fail.

(2) John McCain was right in his statements. The rest of the economy is essentially strong, apart from those housing/finance issues. We have some other problem areas to fix: our dependence on foreign oil and globalization effects on certain sectors of manufacturing, that obviously need to be brought up to date and fixed. McCain is on top of those issues, more than Obama with his lame & impotent energy plan & his formulaic, knee-jerk protectionism.

(3) A real leader doesn't exaggerate and scream "the sky is falling" and "we're all doomed" when we are in the midst of an unfolding financial crisis of confidence & liquidity.

Only a damned fool who would rather win an election than help avoid a panic-driven meltdown of the financial system, like Obama, would go around hyping the fear and exaggerating the systemic seriousness of the problem. All the real leaders were out yesterday making reassuring noises, which were true, by the way. Only Obama was out yesterday shrilling fearful gloom-and-doom statements that were exaggerations, hoping to capitalize to shift to a fear vote. (Only the media, which has by now sold their souls to the journalism devil to support Obama, helped him, the damned to hell fools that they are.)

Just like Obama would want America to lose a War so he can win an election, he would run around screaming "general economic meltdown" to push an economic-panic vote his way, thereby doing great harm in a financial crisis in which confidence in the system is key to containing the fallout from investment banks' necessary failures.

Obama the self-serving, corrupt campaigner who is going around blasting hyperventilated, fear-stimulating talk trying to create an economic-fear-vote to help his campaign, is the kind of person who can cause the public to panic & a needed financial correction to shake out bad investment banks & let them fail, turn into a panicked loss of confidence and widespread failures.

John McCain was right in his statements about the economy being essentially strong. Obama is the evil propaganda-spewer, in this particular crisis, by resorting to spreading enlarged fears & exaggerations of our economy's demise. Obama can do actual harm during a financial crisis involving confidence issues, with his self-serving hyperbole.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The current crisis is primarily due to housinng colapse. Who have bent over backwards to give Fanny and Freddie everything they desire? Primairly the Democrats. Who can blame them-- lobbiests have spent hundreds of millions to ensure they turn a blind eye on their irresponsible funding requirement for these giants. The Republicans have been tryng to rein these GSEs in for some time to no avail. I think we can look far closer to home (Frank and Dodd) then Reagan to blame people. Both parties are full of idiots-- we have traded have of our federal worth for toxic paper-- is everyone mad?
Wake up; wake the hell up though its already too late
We need someone like Ron Paul

Posted by: get real | September 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The fundamentals of our economy are things like the American workers. John McCain believes strongly in the American workers (while Obama was quoted as saying Chinese workers were superior)

Posted by: Clarified | September 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

so tell me all of you obomaites
whos is incharge in washington dc last timei checked both houses are ran by democrates its your party that has done nothing and sits on their hands

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Mc Cain told workers in Michigan that there jobs are not coming back. If he becomes President this will be a fact. Hope people wake up to this pandering non- reformer and vote for anybody but him and his alaskan side kick. Unregulated free trade will turn America into a third world nation. He also wants to privatize Social Security and after that goes bad, the government can bail it out at 1000 times its current value. Nightmare.

Posted by: Hoffmann | September 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey Robt!

If you paid any attention the Dems did not take nor do they currently have control of congress. First they do not have a 60% majority in the house.

Second the Republicans actually have an edge in the Senate now that Lieberman has all but declared himself a republican.

Nice try on the "hey look over there" tactic.

Posted by: Sparky | September 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Neither of these clowns will ever get it. There's nothing to come from this election but more of the same, even if Barack "fixes" the economy it will only delay the problems into the next generation.

True federalism is the only way to escape, write in Ron Paul.

Posted by: Bob | September 16, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Any taxes applied on businesses will be passed on to customers in price increases or if business can't stay competitive will result in job loses. That's our path with Obama.

Posted by: Dmitriy | September 16, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

National debt: $ 9,690,431,450,559.87 The estimated population of the United States is 304,738,531 so each citizen's share of this debt is $31,799.38. The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.93 billion per day since September 28, 2007!. AND MCAIN CLAIMS THAT, THE FUNDAMENTALS OF OUR ECONOMY ARE STRONG??. COMMON GUYS MCAIN IS A JOKE!!. OUR ECONOMY IS GETTING WORSE THAN EVER! SOON WE MIGHT FIND OURSELVES TO BE ANOTHER THIRD WORLD ECONOMY! NO HEALTH CARE NO JOBS!!. BY THE WAY ARE WE STILL THE MOST POWERFUL NATION ON EARTH? OR CHINA HAS TAKEN OVER???

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

ALASKA LOVES SARAH for the great work she has done reforming government to work for the citizens, and AMERICA IS FALLING IN LOVE WITH SARAH for her genuine sincerity, honesty and brilliant mind.

It is time to recognize that women can do a great job, many times better than men and Sarah Palin's record shows she is exceptional.

The Obama campaign and the liberal media is in disarray, confused and foaming at the mouth after the Maverick, John McCain chose Sarah Palin, a woman reformer for VP. Their response has been a vicious attack on Sarah ranging from insults to smearing and the sexist tactics that brought Hillary's campaign crashing down.

Obama fractured and divided the democratic party when he rejected the choice of 18 million democrats and instead of choosing Hillary for VP, he chose an old Washington politician Joe Biden, and by this grave mistake in choice, negated the flag of "change" Obama had been waiving and replaced it with the "more of the same" one.

On the other side, The Maverick stole the mantra of change from Barack when he selected a woman reformer for VP, who has gained the respect of the State she governs as well as of the nation governors.

The McCain/Palin ticket has also given hope to all the 18 million former Hillary supporters who now have a very compelling reason to vote for the republican ticket, as a way to put their country first by electing a president that has the qualifications, experience and love for our country and at the same time elect a woman to the White House as equal partners in governance and leadership of our country.

Country First!
DEMOCRATS FOR McCain/Palin!

Posted by: Manolete | September 16, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

reaganism is coming home to roost. The destruction of the US as we know it. De-regulated financials, insane "shoot first ask questions later" foreign policy, cut taxes primarily for corporations and the wealthy creating massive debt for our children, slash and burn wedge-issue style politics that pit American against American. conservatism, reaganism, darkness.

Posted by: iam | September 16, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

There was as much about economic fundamentals in this ad as there was about sex education in McCain's ad.

Your point?

Posted by: cbmtrx | September 16, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The fundamentals of our economy are strong. Wall Street works just like politics -- it's all about perception. We're still trying to blame the government when we are the people to blame. If you are letting your home be foreclosed on then YOU are the idiot. Not Ronald Reagan, not John McCain, not even George Bush. YOU are the moron who signed on the dotted line. Quit your whining and pay your mortgage -- if you can't then leave the country.

You are all taking the 'easy way' out while pointing your fingers at everyone but yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

If McCain is elected, this country will colapse just like the many great empires before us. We've only been the strongest country for a small spec of time in current civilization. That can easily disappear in a matter of four mores of wrong direction. Please people educate yourself and get involved in goverment. Dont let special interest and a few greedy individual's bring this country down. Unfortantlly McCain dosent have the youthful quickness, energy, education, and grasp on current times to handle the currupted individuals that are tearing this great country appart.

Posted by: Nobody | September 16, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

It's "common knowledge that illinois is considered the most corrupt state in the nation" ?

LOL, since when? Are you even from America?

Some random editor writes this and then wants to make a claim about why Obama isn't addressing such a silly article?
And you fell for it?? ugh.

Posted by: Tom | September 16, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

McCain is walking, talking benign tumor - as mild and non-progressive as his rhetoric on the economy and every other serious issue that the American public faces today.

Posted by: creese | September 16, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

This economy is worse than most people think. The problem is so much of what used to be done by regulated banks is being done by non-regulated security houses. Those houses are collapsing like the houses of cards they are.... The deregulation of this industry was part of McCain-Bush plan. I hope McCain does not mind me whining about the results of his actions.

Posted by: bradcpa | September 16, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey Ron-

I guess you might want to low at the Dow through and online source and take a look at exactly when it started to tank (along with increasing unemployment, increased foreclosures, increased interest rates). Gosh - it was exactly when the morons on the left took over congress. Since you seem to be tying your wagon to the party with the greatest financial performance - I suppose now you'll be voting a straight line ticket for Republicans. Hey thanks!!!

Posted by: robt | September 16, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Okay, he says one thing then he says another. How is this anything different than typical McCain/Palin. I wouldn't expect anything but this and I hope people are catching on to this.

"I want to see fundamentals out there." (honk, honk) "...not clown fundamentals!" -Futurama.

Posted by: Mike / Asheville, NC | September 16, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Liar, Liar your lipstick is on fire....what smells like roast pig?

Posted by: marku | September 16, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The current economic situation has its roots in Reagan's transfer of regulation from the government to unfettered self-regulation. The focus of the former is to protect the interests of the public while the latter is focused on self, regardless of the impact on the public. There is no such thing as UN-regulated. It's either government or self and we are experiencing the effects of the latter pushed by its icon, Ronald Reagan and his self-interested followers.,,some of whom now call for the return of government regulation because they are personally experiencing the negative impact of their excessive self-interest. How ironic.

Posted by: Valjean1 | September 16, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Truth -

What ideas is McCain offering? Tax relief for people who make >$250k? I don't know about you, but that's not anyone I know. I'll put the question to you again: Why would you even consider employing the same party who was on watch when gas went from $1.80 to $4+? Do you purchase products/service for your business that don't sell or add value? Do you buy ads for your business that don't attract customers? Do you contract a management consultant that just gives you 'any' ideas he can think of? I want to understand, but I don't get it...

Posted by: ron | September 16, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

The fundamentals of John McCain's campaign are strong!
without a doubt, yesterday's speak was the most ingenuious thing I've heard him say in the past year.
You know how you can tell when John McCain is lying? His lips move.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

This "analysis" completely let's McCain off the hook when he has, on more than one occasion, asserted that the "fundamentals" he was referring to were . . . the American workers?! Not fundamentals as they would be understood by any rational person, let alone credible economist, e.g., inflation, interest rates, unemployment, GDP, etc.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I would argue that "the underpinnings of the American economy" are indeed collapsing. Auto production down 25%. What do you call that? We're talking about a wipeout of an entire swath of American industry. For every automaker job that's lost, so too goes 100 more after a year. Just because the government is building a bigger police state doesnt mean the economy is healthy. Try subtracting govt hires and then look at the job loss statistics.

This is year 3 of a collapse that really began accelerating around thanksgiving of 2005. But the slow collapse has been going on for 30+ years. Just look at the charts. They're all a bunch of hockey sticks. Exponentially growing problems that all really began to accelerate over the last 3 years.

Posted by: Iconoclast421 | September 16, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Mccain at least is giving some ideas of what needs to happen, right or wrong. Think about it, Obama ads consistently say, Mccain is wrong, Mccain is Bush, Mccain this Mccain that, with no substance on what he will do other than tax more. I run a small business, and we are doing fine. Sure it could be better, but I don't buy into this notion that the world is falling apart. You want to help america, get us off 4 dollar gas so normal people can spend their $ on something else, and if some wall st. bigshot made poor business decisions and has to move out of his $750,000 home to a $250,000 home, so what. You want me to feel sorry for him, like his life is so bad now. Pull your thumb out of your mouth.

Posted by: Truth | September 16, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

It is utterly amazing for me to observe how some of my countrymen refuse to apply logic when given a clear choice. If this choice were applied in any other arena: sports, for example, no one would hesitate to act. If an NFL team coached by Lambeau had a dismal record over the last 8 years and never sniffed the playoffs, would you hire one of his assitant coaches? Most owners throw the whole lot out and start over with someone new. Maybe he works out, maybe he doesn't, but only an idiot would keep the same staff and expect different results.

Posted by: ron | September 16, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Obama is taking using devious methods to twist words. But the secret is, many of us see that deception for what it is: LYING.

How is that "new style" campainging?

By the way, Obama sits on the Finance Committee which has oversight -- and he missed 17 of 17 meetings this year. For those doing the math, that's NONE -- the same amount of executive experience he has.

Ironically, Obama wants to INCREASE governmental bureaucracies, when the Freddie/Fannie mess is what you get when government gets bigger and bigger.

Go McCain / PALIN!!!!


Posted by: Edgar Andrews | September 16, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

...when shall we find out about McCains' fiasco with the savings and loan debacle of a few years ago??? And we are to trust this 'mavrick' now????

Posted by: petros lebarre | September 16, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I think McCain stole that line word for word from Reagan;s talk right after the 87 Crash. Then at least, Reagan was telling the truth.

On structural aspects alone, the economy is not strong, the budget deficit is enormous, we are reliant on foreign capital to fund our debt, our trade deficit is unweildly, unemployment is rising, the housing sector is in the worst shape since the election, individuals and small business are not able to get credit to finance even ordinary purchases, food prices are skyrocketing, oil, though coming off, is strangling americans, our schools are producing not enough well educated students, and what did I forget, we have just privatized 2 huge government agencies, the largest insurance cos in the country is tettering on the edge of bankrupty, 25,000 Lehman employees are now unemployed, real incomes are not growing, health care costs are growing at double digit rates and more people are uninsured, oh geee, there must be more....

but... Have a nice day John,

Posted by: Nclwtk | September 16, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The current financial crisis is just an example of laissez-faire capitalism at its finest…If you are still not convinced that Republican trickle down economics doesn’t work, just vote for McBush/Palin. I’m sure another four years of the “ownership society” will convince you.

The Republicans gave you deregulation and free market capitalism and now working class people like you and me are going to “own” the debit and hardship.

Posted by: brodier | September 16, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I don’t think the general public is “stupid” enough to fall for this ridiculous ad. If Obama doesn’t think that the “fundamentals of our economy” are not strong, then let us pray for this country if Obama is elected. He raised 66 MILLION DOLLARS in one month – name me a single country where he can replicate this. We have the highest GDP in the world – Obama. Don’t tell me Capitalism is not strong – Obama. (Ayers) manifesto – turning this great country into a socialist-communist state? That reason why our country is in such turmoil is because this government doesn’t have any accountability. Who’s responsible the fall of Freddie and Fannie? How come there’s no investigation? Where is Schumer? Dobb, Pelosi, and Obama received the most donations from Fannie and Freddie. Cried Obama-Biden Wolf – “Even when liars tell the truth, they are never believed. The liar will lie once, twice, and then perish when he tells the truth.”

Posted by: TCN | September 16, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"...few would argue that the underpinnings of the American economy are collapsing"

...but many would argue they are not "strong". Sen McCain claimed they were "strong", he did not say "the underpinnings of the American economy are not collapsing". So what is Mr Kurtz talking about?

Posted by: zukermand | September 16, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I dont think either of these guys Barack or Johnny Boy have a clue., Ive put up a Hillary 2012 sign in my yard. Ive given up on the 2008 election. People everywhere feel like I do. They have started have a web site to start your candidates campaign early skip 08
http://www.skip08.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

It's about time that Obama hit back...Hit back hard against McTurd..

Posted by: :-) | September 16, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Senator Obama preaches "Change" to the choir but then fails to follow through.

In today's Chicago Tribune, columnist Dennis Byrne, writes about Obama's failure to address corruption in his home state of Illinois.

Byrne states that it is common knowledge that Illinois is considered the most corrupt state in the nation and Obama will not contact his "Godfather", State Senate President Emil Jones, and request that he call an over ride vote on a bill that Governor Rod Blagojevich failed to approve.

Byrne points out that Obama claims he is a reformer but has done nothing to follow that claim up in his home state.

Posted by: Mike H | September 16, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

That's a heck of an ad!!! Love it, love it, love it :-)

Posted by: carl | September 16, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

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