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Attention -- and Scrutiny -- Shifts Back to McCain


Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), greets supporters at the conclusion of a women's town hall style campaign event in Denver, Oct. 2, 2008. (Gerald Herbert/Associated Press)

By Dan Balz
ST. LOUIS -- Thanks to Sarah Palin's performance, Thursday's vice presidential debate likely shifted the political focus back to John McCain and Barack Obama. That's good and bad news for McCain.

Good news, because it means that his running mate will not be a major distraction, an object of ridicule and a potential drag on the ticket -- assuming no more faltering press interviews or other mistakes. She certainly exceeded expectations Thursday and reminded Republicans why they were so taken by her when McCain selected her.

Bad news, because the focus returns to McCain at a moment when his own performance has been called into question. The weak economy fixes voters' attention on issues that play to Democrats' strengths, and the movement in national and battleground state polls during the past week shows that. McCain's decision to scale back in Michigan highlights the reality that his route to 270 electoral votes is now aggressively defensive.

The problems for McCain were evident Thursday morning at a focus group conducted by Democratic pollster Peter Hart for the Annenberg Center for Public Policy at the University of Pennsylvania. I wrote Thursday about impressions of Palin among the 12 voters assembled for the two-hour discussion. But what was most striking was the conversation about Obama and McCain.

Both candidates had passionate partisans among the group and neither emerged unscathed from the sharp-eyed insights of the voters around the table. But when Hart stepped back and focused in particular on the four voters who said their vote could still be won by McCain or Obama, it was telling that all four had supported President Bush in 2000 and 2004. Not a single Kerry or Gore voter was wavering over Obama.

Tim Wohlschlaeger, 42, is a tool and die shop designer who calls himself an independent and leans toward the Republican Party. He said he is looking for a candidate who can address the decline in manufacturing in the United States. He admires Obama's decision to work as a community organizer in Chicago after college.

When Hart asked him why, given his political leanings, he wasn't locked in on McCain, he replied, "I'm a little concerned about his age." What he meant, he added, was he wondered whether McCain was a modern enough person to understand the technological world of the 21st century.

Tom Coates, 47, is a construction worker caught between a father who is a strong Republican and a brother who is a strong Democrat. They are talking a lot right now about the election.

He leans toward McCain primarily because of national security matters. Under a McCain administration, he said, "our enemies will fear us and continue to fear us." But he is terribly worried about health care and sees the problems his parents are having navigating the health-care system.

Hart asked him whether Obama's health-care plan would be sufficient to swing him over. "My parents are very important to me," he said. "So is this country. You're making me make a tough decision."

Chris Spitzer, 44, is a customer service representative torn about his vote. He worries a lot about Obama's lack of experience. "He has to show me he can step up to the plate and really take a leadership role," he said.

But he is also bothered by the lack of respect around the world for the United States and wants the next president to do something about that. He is drawn to McCain because of the Arizona senator's experience, but worries that McCain has a temper that could prove counterproductive in dealing with the rest of the world. He worries that McCain would get mad, pound the table and walk out of delicate negotiations. "That concerns me," he said.

Jean Geitz, 60, is an office manager at a pest control company. The "bug lady," she calls herself. "I'm totally up in the air, and normally I'm not," she said.

McCain speaks to her on values and morality. She admires him as someone who knows his own mind. But McCain's age and demeanor worry her. "His temperament makes me uncertain," she said. "But his experience and his quick answers are good. He doesn't have to think about it a lot. His convictions are there."

She likes Obama's "quiet, calm demeanor," which she believes is essential in times of crisis. "But his inexperience ... his lesser experience is concerning," she added.

Those were the themes that echoed repeatedly around the table. Is Obama strong enough, decisive enough, experienced enough? Is McCain steady enough and does he have a grasp of the modern world?

In the opening minutes of the conversation, several of those at the table spoke positively about McCain's performance during the past few weeks of economic turmoil. But near the end, Hart showed several video clips of both candidates. One showed McCain declaring that he was suspending his campaign to go back to Washington to prod negotiators to get a deal on an economic rescue package.

That provoked critical comments. One called it a diversion to avoid debating Obama. Spitzer said it made McCain look "waffley" and Wohlschlaeger agreed. Coates said, "if you say you're going to do something, you've got to follow through. ... That's why I'm on the fence."

No group this small can speak for anyone other than themselves, but the views that ricocheted around the room on Thursday certainly got to the doubts among voters that have kept the presidential race close through much of the summer and early fall. Obama has work to do over the next month, but right now the greater burden is on McCain.

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Palin and McCain ought to be ashamed of themselves for having no decency.

Posted by: jbrubin | October 6, 2008 3:23 PM

We must take our country back from Ali Mohammad McCain and Osama Bin Palin! My Friends..If they want to play the blame game with silly tactics flavored with racial overtones and list Barack Obama's name with terrorists, muslims, thugs, resko/ayres fibs, anti-hillary accusations, & flag pins; We must demand the following GOP/McCraziac issues come to the forefront and be answered in the media:
~Keating 5 www(dot)KeatingEconomics(dot)com
~Fundamental Deregulator
~Deregulation of Social Security
~Deregulation of HealthCare
~Enron Loophole
~100 Year War Monger & $Trillions$ Spent On Iraqi War
~Vicki Iseman
~Brokaw/McCain Friendship
~Infidelity/Adultery
~Anti-Catholic
~Tax Break Elimination
~Voted Against Equal Pay & Equal Rights For Our Mothers, Sisters, Daughters, Grandmothers, Nieces, Aunts, Wives, & Girlfriends
~Temperament-Erraticsism, Is There A Blood Relation Between McCraziac & Bill-Had-Sex-With-A-Show-Intern-O'Reilly ?
~McCain Campaign Lobbyist ie. Rick Davis & 169 more Lobbyists
~Andrew McCain + Nevada based Silver State Bank
~Andrew McCain + CMKM Diamonds,better known as CMKX
~Palingate/Troopergate Criminal Investigation
~Palin's REV.THOMAS MUTHEE Witchdoctor Video
~Betrayus With A Surge To Nowhere In Iraq
~US Council For World Freedom; Radical, Dangerous & Racist Organization
~Voted Against Veteran Benefits At Home
~4th Stage Cancer
~Anheuser Busch(Budweiser)Cindy Mccain #1 National Debate Sponsor
~*Straight Talk America PAC, *Altria Group, *American Issues Project, *National Campaign Fund, *Vets For Freedom
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
www(dot)mccainslobbyists(dot)com

www(dot)mccainsource(dot)com

www(dot)therealmccain(dot)com/butler

www(dot)mudflats(dot)wordpress(dot)com

www(dot)plnewsforum(dot)com/index.php/forums/viewthread/39966

www(dot)phoenixnewtimes(dot)com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1

www(dot)rationalrevolution0(dot)tripod(dot)com/war/bush_family_and_the_s(dot)htm

www(dot)republicansexoffenders(dot)com

www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

McCain Campaign Has Strong Ties To Corporate Lobbyists At Center Of Bailout
www(dot)thinkprogress(dot)org/2008/09/22/mccain-campaign-lobbies-bailou

McCain on Special Interest, Lobbyists and DC Sleaze—What you should remember
www(dot)personals(dot)nymag(dot)com/blog/1069/post_78180.html?dcb=personals(dot)nymag(dot)com

Media advance myth of McCain as lobbyist foe
www(dot)mediamatters(dot)org/items/200802260009

the McCAIN BUSH GRAMM foreclosure plan: called BIG BANK BAILOUT (4 more years of BUSH PILLAGE?)
www(dot)miami(dot)craigslist(dot)org/mdc/pol/850631984(dot)html

NOW, IF YOU NEED TO KNOW MORE, PUT "credit default swap + Mccain lobbyists" INTO THE GOOGLE SEARCH BAR
AND YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THE UNETHICAL THEFT THAT MCCAIN HAS PULLED OVER THE EYES OF ALL THE LOW INFORMATION AMERICANS THAT WILL VOTE FOR HIM. IT IS DISGUSTING!

Posted by: wyattobamanation | October 6, 2008 2:00 PM

John McCain's comment that he doesnt know much about economics should make voters very wary given the heightened uncertainty about the future and the reality that the credit crunch really hasnt hit Main Street yet.

Who's in Charge Here?

Posted by: nclwtk | October 6, 2008 12:09 PM

If we are talking about Washington lobbyists and guilt by association, it doesn't get any guiltier than Rick Davis. This guy made MILLIONS lobbying Congress. He is the CEO of the McCain campaign.

How stupid ARE the Republican supporters? Don't they GET that they are being LIED TO repeatedly?

Posted by: wunderwood | October 5, 2008 9:18 PM

Sarah "Pitbull" Palin was doing "guilt by association". This is a two way street. McCain accepted tainted campaign contributions from Arnold R. Weber, an associate of Bill Ayers.

Arnold R. Weber is A Chicago Annenberg Board Member. He was an Assistant Secretary of Labor and Associate Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Nixon. Weber, former president of the Commercial Club of Chicago’s Civic Committee, is a longtime Republican donor. Along with Barack Obama, he was a member of the **Chicago Annnenberg Challenge Board** founded by KNOWN "TERRORIST" BILL AYERS!!!

Weber has given $1,500 to the McCain Campaign in 2008! In 2008, Arnold Weber made donations of $1,000 and $500 to McCain’s presidential campaign.

The "liberal" media isn't investigating why John McCain accepted CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS from this "terrorist" associate. This guy doesn't deny he associates with a known terrorist (mainly because he hasn't been asked).

These types of "facts" are simply shallow attacks with no merit. They are meant to distract the gullible. You don't hear about them because most people want talk about issues affecting our lives and not play 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Speaking of which... It turns out that you can trace Obama's family tree to both Dick Cheney (eighth cousins) and George W. Bush (10th cousins once removed). This is yet another item for games of trivial pursuit, but not worthy of time in this election.

However, Rick Davis is worth talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Davis_%28politics%29

Posted by: wunderwood | October 5, 2008 9:14 PM

Nice comment completely out of context regarding charitable donations since Obama and Biden don't have sugar mamas like Cindy with $100 million. McCain the man of character leaving his loyal wife who'd stood by him while he was in Hanoi after she was severely injured and disfigured in a traffic accident for the young hot rich chick after also cheating with a number of other women.

Ross Perot said it best, "After he came home, he walked with a limp, she [Carol McCain] walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona [Cindy McCain, his current wife] and the rest is history."

What a fine man you've nominated. An example of upstanding behavior and Christian decency.

Posted by: flyfishchef | October 5, 2008 8:40 PM

I thought the campaign suspension and ad suspension (that didn't happen?) and pulling out of Michigan means there are dollar problems on that side. While it looked as though it was intended to be might heroic and self-sacrificing, if it had worked it could have saved a lot of $$ of air time and whatever else campaigns spend. ?????

Posted by: GaiasChild | October 5, 2008 6:09 PM

I thought the campaign suspension and ad suspension (that didn't happen?) and pulling out of Michigan means there are dollar problems on that side. While it looked as though it was intended to be might heroic and self-sacrificing, if it had worked it could have saved a lot of $$ of air time and whatever else campaigns spend. ?????

Posted by: GaiasChild | October 5, 2008 6:09 PM

Obama and Biden the caring ticket? Look at the facts!

Charitable giving in 2007
McCain 27.2%
Palin 3.3%
Obama 1%
Biden .2%

Caring? What do these facts say about character? Time to take a closer look at your own candidates democrats. You have been spending so much time tearing into Palin and listening to main line media you have lost your grip on the truth.

Posted by: usathink | October 5, 2008 5:32 PM

Palin/McCain '08

http://www.bop-o-rama.com

Bop NOBAMA!

Come on McCain, get your act together.

Posted by: acarponzo | October 5, 2008 8:42 AM

Guilt by association. Yeah.... That will work.

After McCain tries to win on issues and loses because he can't run away from Republican failures, personal and party.

After McCain tries to scare us into thinking we won't be safe because Obama "doesn't understand" foreign policy.

After McCain tries to trick America in to thinking he found a substitute for Hillary in the ditz Palin but she flops like a wet fish. She couldn't cite one news source, conservative or mainstream that she read on a regular basis. It's obvious that she didn't read anything because she doesn't know much outside of Alaska politics.

Finally, prejudice and guilt by association is suppose to scare us into voting for him.

I don't think so. McCain is pathetic.

His only other chance is to start some international emergency or terrorist attack. I wouldn't put that past him. He would do anything to get elected.

Fear, fear, fear.... Are you scared yet?

Posted by: DougH1 | October 5, 2008 8:09 AM

OBAMA IS A CROOK. PERIOD.

His connection to Acorn and the real estate mortgage blowup has been confirmed. The Barney Frank, Obama crowd Fannie & Freddie for gains to their crooked friends. The whole thing started with Carter and grew into the sub-prime disaster that had nothing to do with de-regulation. Clinton expanded the mandate and the crooks used Acorn to push small banks into making bad loans in the name of progress. Obama used his connection to Ayers and the Annenberg money to further the aims of Acorn. So he has a crooked connection to Ayers who is not just a crook but a terrorist as well. Nice.

Anyone who excuses Obama out of pure hatred of Bush and overlooks his crooked connection to Acorn, Frank et.al, and the terrorist Ayers is delusional.

We can not hand over this country to socialists like Obama, Soros, Gore, Ayers, Barney Frank and the rest of the scum on the left. All of these facts will be well known before election day. Obama and co want to nationalize our health ins, our banking, our schools and our thought. They want the government to reward laziness of those who do not choose to work, by taking money from those who do work.

Most of the Obama kool aid drinkers posting on the web don't have a clue about the real reason they are so angry. It is pretty simple, they know deep down inside they stand to lose again. They think we do something magical to always expose them and the tired old socialism they have dusted off every 4 years.

Sorry guys...but this empty suit you picked is more of the same. He should get training so he could operate an elevator in Chicago for his next career. He damn sure is not qualified to follow the likes of Lincoln, Eisenhower or Reagan. in fact, he can't even follow Bush.

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 5, 2008 2:02 AM

me like john hussein macaine. him funny he say obama best buddys terrorist but how come him name john hussein macaine no make sense and him pick weird stewardess lady with boofant and safety goggles on face all the time and make no sense when talks on tvs. macaine hussein is very scary man should retire to ten houses.

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 5, 2008 1:09 AM

McCain's chances of living four more years are pretty low.

He is 72 years old - no one that old has ever been sworn as President
He has had a deadly form of cancer 4 times
We don't know his other ailments because he only released his medical records for a couple of hours to a small group of reports.
Three score and ten years (70) is all that God promised in the Bible.

The VP pick had to be more solid than ever in this case.

He picks the governor of the 3rd smallest state in the union
Palin knows less about national politics and issues than the average CSPAN viewer
She is a bs-er on the order of GWB
She has a few skeletons that are being sorted out in her home state

He a Republican trying to get elected after 8 years of GWB and 6 years of a wild spending, law breaking, influence peddling, partisan magnifying Republican Congress.

He's done. If Obama was white he would have been done a long time ago.


Posted by: DougH1 | October 4, 2008 11:38 PM

"The government needy", hmm, were you referring to Wall Street? Oh, maybe you really meant corporate agriculture with their farm subsidies? Or was it the military contractors who have bilked us for billions in excess charges? Blackwater, Halliburton? The rip-off artists who have failed to repair New Orleans? Gosh, there are so many to choose among! Who were you thinking of? Plenty, you betcha!

Posted by: Nora3 | October 4, 2008 11:07 PM

What an Obama presidency would look like:


These two links are to very well written articles regarding the actual pans Obama would put in place with the total control of the presidency and the presidency. And the other link gives a time line of Obama's life, and what he was doing during all these years prior to his meteoric rise in a few short years and his immediate run for the presidency.


An "Obama Timeline" at:
[colony14.net]

An sobering list of "What Obama would do..." at:
[colony14.net]
---------------------------------------------

Remember, when Obama takes the presidency, the hard left democrats will also control the following:

Congress
Senate
Judiciary
TV MediaCOMENTATO
Most "Talking Head" commentators
Newspapers and magazines
Environmental Cause Organizations
Women's Lib Organizations
Gay Rights Organizations
ACLU
Other Activist Organiations
Hollywood
Kindergarten schools
Grade Schools
High Schools
Universities
Teachers Unions
Government Workers Unions
General Unions
Some Liberal Churches
National Public Radio
Public TV
Most Charitable Organizations
The United Nations
Many European National Governments
The European Union
Most Actors, Comics,& Musician Celebrities
etc.....add your own...

With the poor education of most young people now after the past generation of politically correct indoctrination in the schools, all these institutions will combine to enact the Obamian Radical Socialist Agenda, and the American people no longer have the judgment to be able to resist what will likely be a massive propaganda effort by the above groups.

Posted by: anchorcheck | October 4, 2008 6:24 PM

There is no such thing anymore as "winning a war". There is peaceful co-existance.

"Aww-ww-w, say it ain't so, Joe", just like Shirley Temple On The Good Ship Lollipop....even Shirley Temple grew up and got serious over serious things.

Posted by: nana4 | October 4, 2008 5:53 PM

And the only place I may "run", is to another site, with smarter people, so we can laugh about what "pinheads" post on WaPo

Posted by: MrMeaner | October 4, 2008 3:23 PM

Pretending that subsidizing non-achievement leads to progress, shows a lack of critical thought.

Posted by: MrMeaner | October 4, 2008 3:20 PM

"...the slugs, the uneducated, the government needy, the government enslaved, the unproductive, the ones that have their hands out for government give a ways..."
Posted by: ChangeWhat

"Good post!...It's worth repeating."
Posted by: MrMeaner
==================================
Such a very simple world, isn't it boys?

Good guys vs Bad Guys...
Producers vs Slugs...
Patriots vs Pinheads...
Righteous vs Sinful
Black vs White...

Comforting because -- this way I can avoid critical thought!!!

Just throw a label and Run Away...
==================================

Posted by: T-Prop | October 4, 2008 1:01 PM

Regarding the war in Iraq comment by tjones4:

Its time to realize that we cannot win this war. It cost $10,000,000,000,000 per month that we cannot afford.
It just does not make us any safer either. If we have over 1,000,000 illegals in this country doing who knows what and more crossing over our un protected borders how does fighting in another country half way across the globe make us safer.

These people dont want us over there and so the strife will continue indefinitely and eventually bankrupt us. We all know the story of Robin Hood and the evil prince John who taxed the country to death, but what the story doesn't tell you is that Prince John did it to pay for his Brother Richards war in the holy land.

regarding the post about "slugs":

Yes, the result of Lib Dem Socialism big government entitlement policy.
Slugs."...Posted by: ChangeWhat

These slugs are American citizens just as you are. There are plenty of people out there who are down on their uppers because through no fault of their own they have been laid off. The biggest slugs are those fat cats at the top who make huge sums of money and have just decimated this country. It seems to me that at the upper levels incompetence is directly related to the amount of money you earn. I wonder how many of these people would be able to start from the ground up rather than inherit it or marry it like Bush and McCain.

Posted by: akpat | October 4, 2008 11:41 AM

There is a third group of people who will vote for Obama/Biden:
3. Those people who are looking at who can best govern a country following two terms of failed leadership and failed policies. Issues of economy, national security, foreign relations, unemployment, a declining middle class, health care, abuse of Constitutional Law, a political Dept of Justice, cronyism and corruption, to name a few, require that the next Administration include leaders with many qualities that can use a logical thought process, seek various opinions, employ competent advisors, develop a plan, implement the plan, and have ongoing evaluation of the plan to make sure it is working right=Judgement. We need a leader who is thoughtful, able to work with others, can respect the opinions of others, can respect others' cultures, can be a Facilitator--one who accomplishes through others (sort of like a community organizer), someone who displays patience, tolerance=Temperament. We need a leader who knows and respects the Constitution enough NOT to abuse it or try to tweak it to suit that leader's agenda, same thing with the Dept of Justice, in order to safeguard this democracy and our civil rights=Wisdom. This person should know that we live in a different world with new challenges that require new solutions=World View. McCain/Palin and, indeed, the Republicans who are their surrogates, indicate that they possess nor value any of these traits. They are intent on winning an election, not on the challenges of governing after that election is won.
To that end, they submit to us a 72 yr old man who is hot tempered, impulsive, a risk taker, and who has demonstrated that he will do whatever it takes to please whomever to accomplish his personal agenda, as he and he alone, sets this agenda. He is arrested in development in that he is a Cold War in and of himself and sees military action as the solution for any disagreement with another and disdains the benefits of talking with enemies, choosing instead to talk with those he considers friends, as defined by those who agree with him on his terms. There is a saying, "Hold your friends close and your enemies closer". It is easy to talk with your friends and to convince them; not so easy to convince enemies, especially when you do not talk with them. His choice of a VP running mate was reckless and without concern for her potential to govern. I cannot state yet again all the reasons that Gov Palin is unfit to serve. Any thinking person has already identified her blatant weaknesses and the dangerous prospect of having her one heartbeat away from the presidency.
These Republicans--I do not think all Republicans--have caricatured the office of President and Vice President. They obviously do not see the seriousness of our times, which tells me they should be rejected in November.

Posted by: nana4 | October 4, 2008 11:38 AM

The bad news is :
A medicore performance counts as good news?
I never thought I could hear someone more stupid than Bush speak.
Gov Palin proved me wrong.

And if this represents the the average
voice of America then we are separtate
counties....If Oobama goes on to win
I fear the HATE that that will follow

Posted by: anniegreetsyou | October 4, 2008 10:39 AM

I think if the undecideds read a few of the opinions linked at http://www.realitychex.com, their minds would be made up.

Posted by: marieburns | October 4, 2008 10:30 AM

"Know who favors Obama's tax plan and Fed run health care program?

No surprise. Those that pay no Fed Tax favor the Obama plan. Or another way to say it...the slugs, the uneducated, the government needy, the government enslaved, the unproductive, the ones that have their hands out for government give a ways.
Yes, the result of Lib Dem Socialism big government entitlement policy.
Slugs."...Posted by: ChangeWhat


Good post!...It's worth repeating.

There are two types of people who will vote for Obama:
1) those represented in ChangeWhat's post.
The ones enslaved by liberal policies that serve no purpose, other than to keep it's drones engaged in class warfare, envy and rage. Then, you couple that with an undeserved sense of entitlement that can only be satiated by stealing from those whose efforts are what keeps this country afloat...so the drones can enjoy their slothful decadence. Who cares if you live in a slum, as long as you can stay F'd up, right?
Obama's "tired, huddled masses"

and
2)Those who are detached from reality, and who have no exposure to the devestating effects of liberal policies, on the people they were intended to help.
These people just feel guilty because they have so much...which axiomatically shields them from ever understanding that they're supporting people who just make the poverty/crime problem worse.
They just know that they want to do something for someone to whom they feel superior. They may claim otherwise, but that's what they are saying with their vote.
They think to themselves, "why look at those poor people living in such squalor. Obviously they aren't *capable* of being productive...given who *they* are.
We should see to it that those people are given enough to make us feel better about ourselves...After all, we're the special God-like people with the God-like vision, and the God-like candidate, who will have access to the people's money.
We can solve all of these problems.
After all, We're who we've been waiting for.
Praise God...er, I mean, Praise us for us"

Obama's apostles

Posted by: MrMeaner | October 4, 2008 10:18 AM

It saddens me to read about voters that are normally democratic and "just aren't sure" about Obama. I can't read anyone's mind, but in my circle of white, educated, middle age suburbanites, "not sure" after a few beers turns into, lightly veiled racism.

Prejudice is part of everyone. I don't deny it. But when racism or prejudice is the primary motivation in political decisions, bad things happen.

My hope is that these "not sure voters" take the time to rationalize what they think is best and why, then evaluate the candidates platforms. I hope the analysis goes beyond, "I'm just not sure."

But that is a lot to hope for.

Posted by: tphishs | October 4, 2008 10:07 AM

Dan:

Do you really think we're complete idiots? First, do you expect us to believe anything we hear from all the focus groups put together by the liberal MSM? You get a bunch of people who claim they are undecided, but they're really for Obama. They are suddenly swayed in his direction by something that he says or done, and the MSM cooks up the argument that everything is moving in his direction. It's the oldest trick in the propaganda book. You're trying to persuade Republicans that the situation is hopeless and they should just give up. That strategy may prevail, but then the MSM will have a lot of work to do to explain how the same economy that is supposedly on the verge of collapse before the election will heal itself and become the best economy in a generation (or so the MSM will tell us). I've never been so reminded of 1984 as I have been by the relentless partisanship of the MSM in this election.

Posted by: DMcArthur | October 4, 2008 9:47 AM

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 4, 2008 8:54 AM

john mcormack wrote "There was news that John McCain has put one of his mansions for sale for $12 million. McCain knows that unless he unloads most of his houses now, the real estate market is going to bottom out and stay down for years to come. McCain's hope is that some joe six-pack will foolishly buy the mansion from him. But none of the joe six-packs the Hacky mam spoke about in the debate can get a mortgage to buy his $12 million mansion. I predict that within the next couple of months the McCains would have disposed off at least a couple of their vacation homes."

This would be a Joe Biden moment. Please follow the URL below to get the truth. The article begins with " The former Phoenix estate of Republican presidential candidate John McCain and his wife, Cindy, is up for auction.

Cindy McCain, the daughter of liquor-distribution magnate Jim Hensley, grew up in the mansion, which was built in 1951. The McCains lived there for 20 years."

The McCain's sold the home for $3.2M in Dec. 2006 although were asking $4.25M to begin with. The property is being aucrioned by the new owner who has unsuccessfully attempted to sell the property.

Typical lib, just has trouble telling the truth.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/2008/10/04/20081004biz-mccainhome1004.html

Posted by: IndependentThinker316 | October 4, 2008 4:55 AM

There was news that John McCain has put one of his mansions for sale for $12 million. McCain knows that unless he unloads most of his houses now, the real estate market is going to bottom out and stay down for years to come. McCain's hope is that some joe six-pack will foolishly buy the mansion from him. But none of the joe six-packs the Hacky mam spoke about in the debate can get a mortgage to buy his $12 million mansion. I predict that within the next couple of months the McCains would have disposed off at least a couple of their vacation homes.

Posted by: JohnMcCormick | October 4, 2008 4:29 AM

Jeff-for-Progress, close scrutiny of Obama's record doesn't reflect the desire or ability to be a unifier and to work in a bipartisan fashion. Other than what he says he can and will do, what evidence can you share that that will demonstrate otherwise? He has voted along party lines 97% of the time and hasn't demonstrated any bipartisanship.

Posted by: IndependentThinker316 | October 4, 2008 4:21 AM

justsaying1 wrote "All you who elected W. Bush in the last two elections and are now about to elect McCain -- you must bear the responsibility for the Iraq War, for the economic downfall after years of deregulation, and for the incredible budget deficit. That's one kernel of truth not talked about much b/c we are still a civil society. But that is an important sliver of truth that needs to be stated."

How one skews history, bush could not take this country war without the approval of Congress which he received overwhelmingly. That same Congress reviewed the same intelligence Bush had. In addition to that, 75% of the nation supported going to war according to most polls at the time.

Second, it was not just the R's that supported deregulation. In 1999 Biden voted for it and Clinton signed the bill. At least he has been man enough to accept his portion of the blame unlike Frank, Dodd, Obama, and Biden.

Finally, last I knew, it was Congress that passes appropriations bills. The President does send his budget recommendations but the final passed appropriation rarely mirrors that of the Presidents desires. And before one says that the R's had control of the Congress for Pres. Bush's first 6 years, that also would be untrue. The D's held the Senate '01-03'. Sen. Daschle was the Majority Leader.

So, before one lays all the country's ills at the feet of the R's and Bush, use intellectual honesty and say there is plenty of blame on both sides of the aisle.

Posted by: IndependentThinker316 | October 4, 2008 4:15 AM

History Rhymes

The Republican voters who favor calm, moderate leadership in the face of crisis, so far have been reassured by the performances of Obama and Biden in the Presidential and VP debates, now its up to Obama to close the sale in the final two debates.

The more Obama is aware that like Haley's Comet a new political era is opening up, one which in many ways is similar to that faced by FDR (because we did not learn the earlier lessons about extremism in an earlier Guilded Age that precipitated it.) But, which also brings to the fore the healthier aspects of a bipartisanship moderation exemplified by Stevenson and Eisenhower, that was lost in the cultural wars of 1968, but which now needes to be called up into historical remembrance.

A hostorical remembrance that exemplifies the proposition that "moderation in pursuit of justice is a virtue" in contrast to the "extremism in defense of liberty" Goldwaterite proposition that the McCain/Palin is still trying to vindicate albeit in disguised, but rhyming form. Remembering Mark Twain's observation that history does not repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes.

Posted by: Jeff-for-progress | October 4, 2008 3:19 AM

Grumpy Grampa needs a nap, and Hacky Mam needs to go back to sitting on an ice berg in Alaska waiting for Russia to attack..

Posted by: Hillary08 | October 4, 2008 2:58 AM

As Gov. Palin so eloquently put it during the VP debate on Thusday: Sen. Obama wants to “waive the white flag of defeat” in Iraq. I think most Americans, right of left of the aisle, do not want that to happen. Regardless of whether or not you supported the war at its onset, not to mention the debacle it transitioned into before Gen. Petreaus got there, we are clearly winning now. The terrorists are on the run, safety is improving, and if we don’t get it right this time, we’ll probably have to go back 10 years from now to fix it anyways. It’s like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Iraq has been doing well lately and it would be crime to let the lawlessness that has reigned for the last 3 years loose once again to ravage the country and its people.

Palin went on to point out that Obama is insistent on pursuing “dangerous” foreign policies and remains “naive” when it comes to the ways of the world. Imagine what people would say about anyone else promoting a 16 month withdraw plan for well over 18 months, and then saying that no revisions were necessary? That sounds pretty naïve to me. Obama says that we have to win the fight in Afghanistan, which is the central front on the War on Terror, and not Iraq. I don’t understand how we could possibly win in Afghanistan if we capitulate in Iraq. That is a very dangerous assumption to make, especially for someone running for President.

Posted by: tjones4 | October 4, 2008 2:35 AM

All you who elected W. Bush in the last two elections and are now about to elect McCain -- you must bear the responsibility for the Iraq War, for the economic downfall after years of deregulation, and for the incredible budget deficit. That's one kernel of truth not talked about much b/c we are still a civil society. But that is an important sliver of truth that needs to be stated.

Posted by: Justsaying1 | October 4, 2008 2:22 AM

Oops, I pulled a Kevin "truthfullnes". It's truthfullness. Sorry.

Posted by: IndependentThinker316 | October 4, 2008 1:38 AM

kevinschmidt edited a previous post as follows "lets not forget that McCain had very close ties to Dubya/dick for 20 years. he hates america. he has no experience as a legislature or as a lawyer. and he is a Neocon-Fascist. i would not trust him to be in the white house. his wife as well admitted that she hates america and sold Budweiser to the Belgians . he has no law degree from harward and graduated at the bottom of his class.

Posted by: noobama08 | October 4, 2008 12:16 AM"

He then entered the following comment:

"EDITED FOR TRUTHINESS"


Not much needs to be said other than 1) Kevin, your an idiot. 2) Kevin, you do what most libs do - call names, distort, and lie - because they can not win in the arena of ideas. And 3) Kevin, learn to spell, its "Truthfullnes" not "Truthiness".

Posted by: IndependentThinker316 | October 4, 2008 1:35 AM

You Obama folks are unbelievable. Biden out right lied or used deceptive answers at least 14 times. When was Hezbollah ever removed from Lebanon? They haven't. The deregulation or criticized McCain for is based on a bill passed in 1999 which he also voted for. He blames the repubs for the present crisis but it was the dems that used every procedure available to block closer oversight and increasing regulations of FM and FM. The deregulation for health care he referred to was wrong. He commented that the oil companies were getting a $4B tax break. That reduction to taxes is to al businesses as we have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world which discourages businesses coming to the US. He said not once, not twice but three times how we spent more in 3 weeks in Iraq than the entire time in Afghanistan, an out right lie. I guess this is what you libs call winning the debate with substance.

As far as practiced answers and not answering the questions, it is a ploy used in all the VP debates to get the Presidential candidates talking points out. Biden also failed to answer questions. Biden didn't name a single program that would be cut. Nor, did he name any differences that he might have with Obama.

I really enjoyed his inability to explain his change of stance on Obama's readiness to lead when confronted with it. He also failed to refute that he and Obama are not just looking backwards. Finally, he gave a whole general list of things, but nothing specific mind you, again trying to tie McCain to Bush. Just like throwing mud at a wall and seeing what sticks. He couldn't even defend Obama's 97% voting along party lines in a manner that would demonstrate that Obama can reach across the aisle on anything of substance.

Its clear in my mind who won. Palin easily beat Biden.

Posted by: IndependentThinker316 | October 4, 2008 1:24 AM

Go ahead vote for Obama if you want FREE CLINIC HEALTHCARE. Because that's what you'll get, or a HMO at the very least. Then the hospitals like the one his wife works at will turn you away to another free clinic down the street so your not an expense to them wiping out their profits, which is meant for their very own pockets.

Posted by: LucyDog1 | October 4, 2008 1:24 AM

Sarah Palin is an embarrassment in political history. She has to be coached and scripted to say something of substance! What a shame! This is why she has to be sequestered all along as she'll make a total fool of herself unscripted! I have yet to see a debate where the participant disrespects and dodges the moderator's question to suit her own self-serving opinion to the question at hand.

Posted by: maripil | October 4, 2008 1:21 AM

Madness - 1.)Repeating the same action over and over again while expecting different results.
2.)Voting Republican over and over again while expecting change of maverick proportions.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 4, 2008 12:37 AM

lets not forget that McCain had very close ties to Dubya/dick for 20 years. he hates america. he has no experience as a legislature or as a lawyer. and he is a Neocon-Fascist. i would not trust him to be in the white house. his wife as well admitted that she hates america and sold Budweiser to the Belgians . he has no law degree from harward and graduated at the bottom of his class.

Posted by: noobama08 | October 4, 2008 12:16 AM

EDITED FOR TRUTHINESS

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 4, 2008 12:34 AM

Just saw the Obama ad again that has Sarah Palin killing wolves from airplanes.
Yes, it's pressing issues like this that keeps Americans up all night. I had to comfort my wife at three AM as she sat at the edge of the bed, crying.
I know," I said softly. It was all I could say.
We sat there till the sun came up, holding each other.
It was all we could do.

Posted by: robtay12003 | October 3, 2008 11:33 PM


robtay's wife is Rosie Palm!

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 4, 2008 12:28 AM

lets not forget that obama had very close ties to rev wright for 20 years. he hates america. he has no experience as a legislature or as a lawyer. and he is a muslim. i would not trust him to be in the white house. his wife as well admitted that she hates america. he has a law degree from harward only because the need to have a few minorities

Posted by: noobama08 | October 4, 2008 12:16 AM

McCains health care plan would be a disaster for the people of this country. Who came up with this plan ? It had to be one of the lobbyists in his campaign,working for the insurance companies that slipped this one in. This is the craziest, stupidest plan that I've ever heard of. A $5k tax credit to pay for a 12K plan ? Taxing the value of our plans at work ? WTF ?How Sarah Palin and John McCain can claim to care about the people while screwing us like this is beyond hypocrisy. The only ones coming out ahead here are the insurance companies. What else should we expect from McCain ? I'm a Veteran too John and you are a big disappointment to all of us. You've done nothing but trade on your POW status as if it makes you a hero, it doesn't. A hero doesn't have to tell anyone that he is one, just like a tough person doesn't have to toot his own horn. A hero ? No, a blowhard is more like it. Other than crashing planes John McCain did nothing but skate on his family name throughout his military career. It's amazing how he got re-elected after the Keating 5 scandal,not being convicted is not the same as being innocent. In your heart you know McCain, what you did and how dirty you are.....
I'll take an intelligent, thoughtful person like Barack Obama over these two phonies any day.

Posted by: F7711 | October 4, 2008 12:12 AM

What the Obama Presidency Will Look Like:

A post I found. The links are to very thorough and well written articles of what Obama will likely do as president when the democrats are in control of the legislative branch, and the government in total control of the democrats, with no checks and balance on their power to enact their hard left agenda.

These are very well done pieces.


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Subject: A LOST CAUSE...
The author is correct, but what does it matter? The media is in the tank for Obama, most Americans are stupid, most voters want something for nothing, Obama knows how to lie skillfully, and John "Democrat-lite" McCain has run an inept campaign and apparently doesn't understand you can't beat a socialist opponent by neglecting to point out that he is a socialist!

America: 7/4/1776 - 1/19/2009
Amerika: 1/20/2009 - the revolution

A frightening "Obama Timeline" at:
[colony14.net]

An even more frightening list of "What Obama would do..." at:
[colony14.net]
---------------------------------------------

Remember, when Obama takes the presidency, the hard left democrats will control the following:

Congress
Senate
Judiciary
TV media
Newspapers and magazines
Hollywood
Kindergarten
Grade School
High School
Universities
Teachers Unions
Government Workers Unions
General Unions
Some Liberal Churches
National Public Radio and Public television
Most Charitable Organizations
The United Nations
Many European National Governments and the European Union
Most Actors and Musicians
etc.....add your own

With the poor education of most young people now after the past generation of politically correct indoctrination in the schools, all these institutions will combine to enact the Obamian Radical Socialist Agenda, and the American people are no longer able to resist what will likely be a massive propaganda effort by the above institutions.

Posted by: anchorcheck | October 3, 2008 11:44 PM

Palin has a mind of her own and she is not waiting for some missing heart beat to take control. Biden is Obama's backup but Palin is not just a back up for McCain. I believe the maverick will again break tradition and Palin will run for VP on her own agenda. The final race will be Obama, backed up by Biden, against the side-by-side team of McCain and Palin with separate but complementary agenda.

Posted by: FloridaCounts | October 3, 2008 11:36 PM

Just saw the Obama ad again that has Sarah Palin killing wolves from airplanes.
Yes, it's pressing issues like this that keeps Americans up all night. I had to comfort my wife at three AM as she sat at the edge of the bed, crying.
"What's wrong?" I asked her.
"The wolves," she said, burying her face in her hands. "She's killing them."
"I know," I said softly. It was all I could say.
We sat there till the sun came up, holding each other.
It was all we could do.

Posted by: robtay12003 | October 3, 2008 11:33 PM

The reason that most Democrats were surprised by Palin's performance is due to the aggresive campaign by the media to paint her as a complete idiot these past several weeks to influence viewer opinion. Katie's highly edited snippets that played on a 24 hour loop consisted of a few seconds and were pulled from a lengthy interview. Republicans knew this, but as usual, the gullible libs are spoonfed this stuff constantly and it is their basis for judging Palin--or any Republican.

Posted by: robtay12003 | October 3, 2008 11:20 PM

Sarah Palin did, indeed, duck a couple of questions. I'll admit that. Biden, on the other hand, miss-spoke (lied) on several questions. Which is better?
We'll let the voters decide.

Posted by: robtay12003 | October 3, 2008 11:07 PM

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember Barack Hussein Obama’s intimate 20 year relationship with the Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright, who blessed Barack and Michelle marriage and baptized both their daughters. AND, to remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember how Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and how he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Barack's religious leader, Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; and that black values are superior to middle-class American values.
 Indeed Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love and have always been proud of, by voting for a True American Patriot and War Hero who risked his life for our country:
John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 3, 2008 11:01 PM

kbuckingham777, although I do not agree with you politically, you are indeed very civil, and I wish all Democrats were like you.

Posted by: robtay12003 | October 3, 2008 11:01 PM

The reason Palin exceeded "expectations" (such as they were) was that she just went back to her talking points on every answer. For example, Biden gave a thoughtful and persuasive remark on how McCain has supported deregulation asked if she would like to respond about regulation, Palin, obviously off balance, said that she'd like to respond about tax increases. Huh? She gave a coherent and confident response about how Obama would raise your taxes... but the response was clearly scripted, and it had no relationship to the question. She just went back to her talking points again and again. I felt sorry for Biden. He had these substantive, thoughtful answers, and then he didn't get the satisfaction of SP struggling to respond. She just ran off some prerehearsed line about Obama's plans to supposedly increase taxes, or about her own exectutive "experience", or about how she and McCain were "a team of Mavericks". It was probably good strategy: if she had tried to debate substance, Biden would've eaten her alive. But that doesn't mean that she's a good debator, or deserving of the nomination. It just means she's good at hiding her weaknesses and regurgitating what aides have told her.

Posted by: shad0wfax | October 3, 2008 11:00 PM

Why so much nastiness? If you are for one person, it doesn't mean the other has to be a total loser!!! I happen to be for McCain, but I believe that all four are incredibly smart, accomplished people who really do want to serve the country. It's no wonder the campaigns use negative ads since people seem to eat those up. My confidence in the American people is gone - a politician could never say it, but I don't plan to run. Americans are generally spoiled, whiney, and mean-spirited. We are squandering a great heritage.

Posted by: jimbobka | October 3, 2008 10:58 PM

Robtay- there is not now and has never been- an issue of Voter fraud during the last 3 elections- where do you back your statement up from? There are many instance, particularly in Ohio, of Vote supression- but not voter fraud. The supression is done by the Republicans- remember Kenneth Blackwell?

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | October 3, 2008 10:57 PM

"By Dan Balz
ST. LOUIS -- Thanks to Sarah Palin's performance, Thursday"


Oh, so it is a performance...

Posted by: jato1 | October 3, 2008 10:56 PM

simple down to earth common sense must be looked at. Most people know new CEO is selcted, every one both inside and outside share holders will have doubts.In politics it is no different. Changing top brass is not easy. Mccain/Palin ticket is no different.They are Republicans but with different vision. Obama talks about change,if elected his administration will be packed with the same cronies- the only change we will have in our pocket- only CHANGE which buys nothing. WE need big policy both for domestic and foreign policy. This O GUY is a novice and even I can beat him in the debate- my friends call me "ENCYCLOPEDIA"- down to earth issues to national security- this is no kidding- any subject. Maccain fits my type of person

Posted by: jayrkay | October 3, 2008 10:54 PM

Right now I'm more concerned about the rampant voter fraud by Democrats, especially in Ohio. We were expecting it again this election cycle, but not so openly. complicating the problem is the fact that Ohio is Democatically controlled, and there is little incentive for them to address the corruption problem. It has been estimated that Democrats have stolen 3-4 million votes in the last two elections, and we cannot let it happen again. And these slime balls have the audacity to claim Republicans "stole" the election in 2000.
It wasn't even close.

Posted by: robtay12003 | October 3, 2008 10:39 PM

Biden did very well indeed, in a very tricky spot, where it was urgent that he keep control of his tongue.

Blather on about Palin, if you must.

Biden displayed the sort of character that might avert a nuclear war.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 3, 2008 10:28 PM

kbuckingham777
I am an Obama supporter but understand that it is exactly the type of patronizing and personal attacks that you are leveling that allowed us to blow 2000 and 2004. I didn't get it until this time- I was a HRC supporter. You have to know that I have been an activist for left causes and volunteered for every Dem since Mondale- with generally a progressive policy bias in the primaries (Jackson in 88, B. Kerry in 92)- for supporting HRC who has more experience and had better defined progressive policy initiatives- I was called ignorant and racist by the Obama camp on these blogs- people who don't agree with you or have different experiences aren't inferior to you and they are not bad people- they differ in opinion. McCain is a legitimate contender for the presidency- I would never vote for him- but he is a smart guy with his own views on policies. Stereotyping Palin as an airhead is truly bad form- she won the governorship of a state in 8 debates over her opponents-

If I were hiring any of the 4 of them to be a CEO- it would be Biden- the one who actually has progressive speeches and progressive views and a progressive history in an important job. I would not hire McCain because his policies are wrong- not because he was in the back of his class 50 years ago- Palin's policies are wrong as well. Hiring Obama, which I am about to advocate doing- and I have even gone to Camp Obama to lead stuff- is the equivalent of hiring the very talented mailroom director as CEO- it is a risk- let's hope it goes alright. Most "newbie" presidents (Kennedy, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, W) struggle through their first years- Kennedy's first 2 years had more than his share of disasters, Carter never recovered, Reagan lost the house and senate due to domestic problems, Clinton's gaffes stopped him from getting health care through and lost him the house and senate, and W- well his full 8 years have been a disaster. Inexperienced "change" historically doesn't always work out.

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | October 3, 2008 10:23 PM

Yes lots of Sarah Palin in Interviews. We have seen how well she does them. Plus Tina Fey needs all the material she can get before McCain loses the election.

Posted by: guytaur1 | October 3, 2008 10:06 PM

Real Brother here.

I admit I was surprised and a bit disappointed that Palin didn't come off as DUMB as I believe she is. I'm greatful that Biden didn't offend or attack or belittle her though.

I agree that by focusing on McCain as opposed to Palin helps Obama and I'm glad for that. Let's get on with it so that we can get ready for the inaguration of Barack Obama(Clerence Thomas swearing him in Condi and Colin by his side along with his Black wife and children and Pastor).

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 3, 2008 9:43 PM

John McCain has had ZERO earmarks (pork) on his record, in all these years. Barak in less than 3 years has had millions and millions of pork requests. McCain lives what he preaches. Obama lies. Obama is depending on the millions of lazy "give me a handout" people to vote for him. McCain must rely on hardworking Americans to support him, because he believes people should get off their rear and earn their own way instead of being free loaders, as most of the Obama supporters are. The free loaders are the reason for the economic crisis. Barney Franks, Chuck Schuler, Christopher Dodd, and Barak Obama were the biggest recipents of the crooked money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It is on the record. John McCain tried to stop this in 2005, but was blocked in committee by the Democrats. The Democrats are the base reason this country is almost bankrupt. They inventeds the "gimme" generation of lazy welfare types that believes the government should pay for their healthcare, babysit their children, pay for their college, suppliment their food and heating costs, etc. I've got news for you. The people paying for all this are the hardest working Americans that are over taxeds. 40% of Americans pay NO federal tax. 80% of the income tax is paid by less than 5% of Americans. Despite this, Obama and his followers want to tax these 5% even more. Soon they will all leave this country and go to a better tax situation overseas. Then there will be no one to tax excdept the people preesently not paying a tax. Obama is a Marxist socialist illegitimate son of an African drunk and a ultra leftist loose woman. He doesn't believe in America. He believes in a world government. He will appoint supreme court justices that will take the right to bear arms from all Americans and who will support abortion in its cruelist forms. McCain may be old, but he is a true American who has fought and suffered for his country. His VP choice is an all American lady who has more fight in her than Obama ever will. Who do you think Putin would be more frightend of, Obama or McCain?? As a veteran, I am voting for McCain.

Posted by: Montani42 | October 3, 2008 9:40 PM

By accepting the position on the GOP ticket despite her astonishing lack of qualifications, Palin signaled that she was prepared to be used - on the basis of her sex alone - in exchange for the promise of status and power. Refer to Palin's RNC convention speech, which was mostly a fawning homage to McCain's patriotism and leadership, sprinkled with condescending references to Obama as "our opponent." Although the lines were delivered with Palin's own folksy vernacular and over-enunciation, it was not Palin, but McCain - or more accurately, the GOP elders at whose feet he finds himself on election eve - who wrote the speech and whose voice echoed through the hall that night in St. Paul. Women who find themselves drawn to Palin because they think she epitomizes the classic "woman who has it all" might want to take a closer look. Sarah Palin was picked for the ticket solely because of - not despite - the fact that she is female. By keeping her sequestered from the media, McCain has confirmed he does not have faith in an unscripted Palin's ability to represent the campaign to the world. By going along with it, Palin is telling us that she's perfectly fine with being controlled by her male superiors. And by portraying herself as the candidate of the empowered woman (while simultaneously promoting policy that is openly hostile to the interests of working and middle-class American women), she reveals the sad truth about how little progress we've actually made.

Lest we think that Senator McCain is hesitant to keep pushing this stereotype in the face of abysmal performances by Palin in news interviews, the most recent reports reveal that his campaign intends to hype the expected wedding between Palin's pregnant daughter and her boyfriend, the date of which is apparently being set just prior to the November election - with McCain and Palin sitting in the front row. Is it possible that Sarah Palin is just blissfully un-self-aware, or is it that she so eager for any illusion of power that she'll allow herself to be marketed no matter what the cost to the dignity of all women? If Palin were truly an empowered woman, she would have refused to allow herself and her daughter to be used in this manner - to assist a party whose rhetoric and imagery promote the ideal woman as deferential to established norms rather than acting as an independent - or critical - thinker. If her selection was intended to signal to American women that empowerment is possible, why is Palin being kept under lock and key? Clearly, this is not an individual whose intelligence or perspective McCain respects, or else he would permit her to speak for herself. To continue pretending that Palin's selection was anything other than an attempt to manipulate the voting public on the basis of a straitjacketed view of sexual roles is a dangerous lie that no American of any gender can afford to abide.

Posted by: ghuntcustom | October 3, 2008 9:38 PM

McCain has used Palin has his Vanna White. Women should be LIVID....

Well, the self respecting one's already are.
*********

so the 40+% of american women who will vote for mccain are not "self-respecting"?

why dont you liberals tell us what you really think?

Posted by: dummypants | October 3, 2008 9:32 PM

barbspigpen wrote:
"Please explain to me how people can vote for Obama? How about his June 28, 2006 speech where he mocks the bible?"
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Thank you for pointing this out. Though I could not vote for him in the first place, I never heard this about him. I just watched it on youtube. If 80% of the people in this nation are Christians, then Obama should lose by 60% of the vote. The fellow totally is disrespectful towards the Word of God.

Posted by: bluntnhonest | October 3, 2008 9:31 PM

McCain has used Palin has his Vanna White. Women should be LIVID....

Well, the self respecting one's already are.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 3, 2008 9:25 PM

Please explain to me how people can vote for Obama?

Posted by: barbspigpen | October 3, 2008 9:15 PM
___________________________________________

Easy, pick up your ballot, you go to the election booth, punch Barrack Obama, slide it in the ballot box on your way out. And....waaa-lah...If you need help, I am sure one of the volunteers will assist you. :)

You opened yourself up for that one.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 3, 2008 9:23 PM

all palin had to do in the debate was not to say anything at all and she would have exceeded expectation after the gibberish she came out with in the interviews

Posted by: ablpatel | October 3, 2008 9:19 PM

Please explain to me how people can vote for Obama? Has anyone listened to his talk on getting rid of nuclear weapons, not using money to upgrade and keep our military current. How about his June 28, 2006 speech where he mocks the bible? How about the video out where little kids are singing his name, kids 5-11 years that have no clue why they are singing. Remeber the Hitler youth rallies? Why do you put up with a man who has so little respect for the american people that he calls them bible hugging gun loving clinging to them I believe he says? How can he stand back and let the media attack Palin so viciously. Things such as making a nasty comment like Palin's husband having relations with his daugthers? Why have they not demanded an apology for her, it does not matter that they are democrate. Yes he does lie, very much and he changes his mind to whatever he thinks will get the votes. His friends are Ayers, Wright, personally I do not want to see Wright preaching from the white house and saying G damn america from the Rose Garden and I do not want Ayers to have an chance to blow us up from the inside. His community service was done with ACORN, a community organization that has and is being investigated for dishonest voting practices etc. This man is not reputable. He is definetly not someone with experience. 1 year as a senator and two years running for president! Again what experience? The media is NOT fair and balanced at all. They have gone against anyone if it wasn't Obama. Wonder how much they are getting paid to do that? Everyone is treating him like a messiah. But then again maybe he is the antichrist. In PA and St. Louis his campaign was demanding that anyone who put out lies about him was to be arrested. Police state people? You Bet. What kind of death camps will we have with Obama? With kids singing his praises, like the Hitler youth, people falling over in a faint because he talks, remember the death camps, be ready people.

Posted by: barbspigpen | October 3, 2008 9:15 PM

Both Palin's and McCain's quotes used in the debates are either incorrect or incorrectly attributed. To misquote Thomas Jefferson is a first-class crime in my eyes. One of Palin's quotes even came from an American Nazi.

Posted by: EarlC | October 3, 2008 9:15 PM

Sarah is someone you might want to do shooters with, but don't let her get within a thousand miles of the red button. Unbelievably uninformed for a governor of a state. Biden was kind when he did not mention her short funding pensions by over a third as mayor, the 22 million deficit and it is general McKiernan. Biden was grade A and I would not mind a Biden/Obama 2012 ticket followed by another Obama ticket.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 3, 2008 8:53 PM

america's response to palin performance in the vice presidential debate only highlights the dumbing down of our politics and the blatant manipulation of what is defined as leadership by the republican party. its alarming that our next leader will be picked by a group of beer drinking, gun toting good ole boys whose resentment of government and taxes is based on the passage of civil rights legislation and the concommitant funding of equity-based programs. feigned as an old line john wayne type of patriotism, "joe six pack"'s disinterest in technology, culture and education is making his ilk obsolete, like the dinosaur. palin just puts a pretty face on an ideology and point of view that is ill-fitting and out-of-sync with the twenty-first century world view. what a better way to promote a facist agenda than a soccer mom who winks in the camera and recites party lines like a trained parrot or parakeet.

Posted by: glenknowles | October 3, 2008 8:50 PM

This article makes it appear as if the race is close. It isn't. These few people may still be "up in the air" with their voting decision. Not so for 49.3% of the voters who now back Obama.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

In the Electoral College Poll, Obama has taken a commanding lead at 263 to 163. Obama needs only 7 more points to hit the required 270 to win, at least in the pre-election polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Besides that, McCain's campaign said today that for McCain to win, he had to win either Wisconsin, Minnesota or Pennsylvania. Unfortunately for McCain, all three states now back Obama.

At this point, unless someone discovers that Obama really is Osama, it's all over but the Election Day vote stealing and election fraud.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 3, 2008 8:49 PM

I think I'm living in bizzaro world. People lending banks money, a religious candidate that is for gay union rights and prays for a pipeline, a military hero that does not listen to Shineki, Fallon, nor the Joint Chiefs on where "surge" troops should be sent, a black novice senator beats a 2-1 favorite in Hillary with basically the same platform, each getting a reccord 18 million votes and he through superior campaign strategy won the delegates and now leads McCain by a decisive margin. McCain in not choosing Romney (a personal dislike I believe), has given the election to Obama. This crisis would not have him changing positions day by day and MI and NV would be in the bag and NH a maybe. Huckabee has become a breath of fresh air on Fox with more of a middle of the road philosophy backing Republicans of course.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 3, 2008 8:45 PM

That wink of Palin's was pathetic.

Come on folks we are not voting for homecoming queen. get real and support Obama/ Biden- the obvious choice.

Posted by: dougm2 | October 3, 2008 8:38 PM

If McBush has health problems (he's 72 years old, had cancer 3 times and is on 6 different meds) this random Palin woman will become president. What is her international experience? "I can see Russia from my house". Yep...that's who you want leading your country? (sarcasm).Here in Europe, she wouldn't even be allowed anywhere near the parliament's cafeteria let alone allowed to have the top job in office!!

Posted by: kbuckingham777 | October 3, 2008 8:33 PM

Finally got a look at a transcript of the debate, and it confirmed a few subjective impressions I had:

1) Palin did her level best to avoid talking about specifics. She ducked where she could, bobbed and weaved where she couldn't, and frequently disregarded the question entirely. All candidates do some of that, but in the areas where they're weak. Palin sought to avoid issues entirely. Makes you wonder if there are any strengths in the GOP platform.

2) She stuck to themes -- I'm a reformer, all taxes are bad, John McCain is a hero, etc. -- the debate equivalent of looking the viewer in the eye and saying "trust me." When you read it, it's clear that she (or her handlers) don't want you to know what she thinks about any of it.

3) Perhaps most telling, she relied almost entirely on her physical presentation on camera -- staring straight into the lens, keeping her head still, and her grin in place -- the stuff of Anchorwoman 101. Not bothering to debate Biden, just seeking to connect with the viewer. As they say in Texas, all hat, no cattle.

4) When Biden made a relevant remark -- such as noting the GOPs role in the genesis of the current crisis -- she accused him of finger-pointing, of looking backwards. A cheap trick, of course, more a deflection than a legit criticism. He might have answered with that familiar quote about those who don't remember history being condemned to repeat it...

5) Reading the text, it seems that these aren't debates at all, but side-by-side commercials in which the GOP seeks to overcome through marketing the weaknesses of its product. A grand old tradition in American sales, of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 3, 2008 8:33 PM


If you were the boss, who would you hire???

OBAMA: Harvard law professor, Juris Doctor of law degree, constitutional law expert, Senate committees: foreign affairs, homeland security, veterans affairs, family, education, health.

BIDEN: Juris Doctor of law degree, Senate committees: Foreign affairs (chair), economy, health, crime, women's affairs, education, technology, environment

McBUSH: graduated from the naval academy in the bottom 5% of his class, senate committees: economy, environment, official conduct (arguably the 3 biggest Republican failures!!!!!!!!!)

PITBULL PALIN: went to 6 different universities before finally getting a BA degree in journalism, no domestic or foreign policy experience but can see Russia from her house.

SERIOUSLY, THIS IS A NO BRAINER!!!!

If you vote McBush/Pitbull, the fate of your country will be in jeopardy. Everyone here in Europe is laughing at Americans--- America has become the butt of all jokes--- people are asking, how can they seriously consider voting for McBush and his Pitbull for another 4 years of Bush's failed policies? Don't they ever learn???

Remember the frontpage headline of London's Daily Mirror newspaper back in 2004 when Americans re-elected Bush: HOW CAN 59 MILLION PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?

Posted by: kbuckingham777 | October 3, 2008 8:29 PM

Biden lied, had facts wrong, was condescending, and was himself. A buffoon.

Posted by: ChangeWhat | October 3, 2008 8:28 PM

Hi everyone. Its been a couple of days and I already miss this forum while on vacation. However, since we have now seen the losing debate performances of KEating McCain and Palin, I wanted to spend a moment to tell the life story of McCAin and what he has turned into:

McCain made it out of Vietnam physically, however he returned with some serious mental demons. Upon his return, McCain found his wife in a hospital looking several inches shorter from a car wreck. Unfortunately, for her, McCain was back and ready to have a grand and erratic time. McCain saw his wife in the hospital and realized this was his opportunity to fly away. McCain left and never look back. He started having an affair with a blonde drug addict named Cindy while he was still married. McCain said goodbye to the life of driving around in a car like normal americans. He now had a path to money and a private jet.

It's the 80's and McCain arrives in Washington. He was the goto man for deregulation. He now had the chance to unleash all his mental anger on everyday americans. John McCain's first major initiative would be to join a Gang of Five. This gang of five, headed by Charles Keating put more money into McCain's pockets, and gave him more exotic vacations. However, nothing comes for free.1000's lost homes and billions of tax dollars were wasted to clean up after Keating McCain's scandal. He managed to squeak by, just like OJ Simpson, but the Senate knew he was wrong and blasted him for his lack of judgement.This wasn't the first or the last time that McCain would show us how bad his judgment really is.

McCains mental demons were invading his person life once again. After realizing he committed himself to a marriage with a drug addict, McCain started to lash out. He told his wife the obvious; he told her she was a "c*nt" Yes, these were his own words. She wasnt the only person McCAin had mental contempt for. He was know for calling his colleagues "a**holes" and lashing into profanity-laced tirades.

Fast forward to the 2008 election. McCain was still not satisfied in his never ending quest for hitler-like power. McCain may have been crazy, but he was still sane enough to know that time was running out. Being 72, suffering several bouts of cancer, and numerous health problems, McCain knew time was running out. In a quick move he flip-flooped on his vote against the bush tax cuts. His mental demons instructed him to give more to the rich now and screw the middle class. He hushed his views on torture, and he even voted against his own immigration bill. What kind of nut votes against his own bill?

McCain knew that he could not win an election against a strong leader like Obama. McCain knew his 26years in the senate was a career of accomplishing nothing that ordinary folks care about. The only way McCAin could win is running a smear campaign just like his buddy George w. Bush, and a lot of hail marry passes. The first pass was when he picked Sarah Palin in some shallow attempt to appeal to women. McCain know he hates women. As mentioned earlier, this is the man that abandoned his first wife in her time of need for a drug addict. This is the man that called his new wife a "C*nt". Just like he abandoned his wife, McCain was going to soldier on in his campaign to abandon America. He stuck with the unqualified and radical Palin.

The Palin plan was not enough, and neither was McCains despicable campaign full of lies. McCain was falling in the polls fast and he knew the debate could finish him. After having the worst attendance record in the Senate, McCain finally decided to head to washington and postpone the debate. Obama and the rest of america saw McCain sit in Washington like a potted plant. They know this as a scandal. Under enormous pressure McCain returned to lose the debate.

Polls started falling even faster. Americans started learning about his campaign manager receiving checks for $15000 every month from Fannie and Freddie. Mccain could now longer hide his shady connections,his disastrous medical records, or his bimbo VP pick from the public. His VP had to debate, so the strategy became simple: just dont have her debate at all. Palin went up on stage and read he stump speech full of great sounding rhetoric. However, it was only an illusion to cover up McCains plans to tax health care benefits, keep our country in a never ending state of war and destroy the middle class. This is the story of Keating McCain. You might as well call it the story of Satin himself.

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 3, 2008 8:26 PM

Obama + inept dem led Congress = Socialism.

Unbelievable.

Posted by: ChangeWhat | October 3, 2008 8:26 PM

We saw Biden refute every attack intelligently except the surge (which theater needed the 20,000 the most?) and McCain attacks went mostly unanwered. She did better on domestic policy but McCain's positions earned her a D'. On foreign and military, she seemed unable to take the reins, hence an F. Canned campaign lines were given instead of depth which would have bumped McCain up. The undecided vote now sees two candidates, one with a ready replacement and another without one. A plus for Obama, but the race is between the two. Obama needs CO and NH to win when the economy will give Obama MN, WI, MI, PA. NV, ND, IN, OH, VA, NC, FL, MO and TX would give him a mandate. If Obama only gets CO, the tie goes to McCain with more states having a Republican house.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 3, 2008 8:23 PM

Palin tanked. Her performance was an embarrassment. I don't see how anyone with more than a ninth grade education could have been favorably impressed.

At this point the media should be demanding he release his medical records.

Posted by: scientist1 | October 3, 2008 8:14 PM

Sara Palin's performance:

It was very good. There were times that she had to call some audibles because of Joe's many lies. For instance, the one where he said that Obama did not say he would meet with the leaders of these rogue nations,such as Iran without preconditions.
I listened just this afternoon to a recording of Obama saying just that.
When your opponent lies by claiming even a truthful statement is untrue, you
have to be pretty quick on your feet to figure out how to respond.

If you're in a debate and you're opponent lies as much as Biden did, what are you supposed to do carry the Congressional Record on state with you?

Posted by: Grej | October 3, 2008 8:11 PM

Conservatives think she did ok in that debate? I am amazed at the bar being set so low. She may remain the Governor of Alaska...but tht's as far as she's getting.
She was a regurgutating talking point embarrassment for a VP candidate. She doesn't know anything...Obama's poll numbers are rising post debate. The conservates are delusional about her performance and so is MAVERICK John MCBUSH.

Posted by: dkummer1 | October 3, 2008 8:08 PM

Obama's poll numbers continue to rise...lol...you can have her conservatives. Your delusional if you think she's the answer to anything!

Posted by: dkummer1 | October 3, 2008 8:08 PM

Just how high was the expectation bar that Ms. Palin hurdled last evening? Was I watching the same telecast? Are we in Kansas yet? Ms. Palin spent a week sequestered with the Republican tenders and still sounded like a Cliff-note rote, no intellect behind any argument she may have been trying to make. You betcha I concentrated on that debate and it was NOOO contest, Biden was as disciplined and thorough as was possible, and actually made a case for facual analyses of the moderator's questions. Ms. Palin was, how do I say this without giving offense, ordinary. Ordinary this country doesn't need, we've suffered eight years of it and see where that got us.

Posted by: sls213 | October 3, 2008 7:59 PM

Now, let me think...oh, yes, McCain is that old dude married to the chick with glasses, right?

Posted by: bluntnhonest | October 3, 2008 7:52 PM

"Attention Shifts Back to McCain"

Actually, it doesn't.

Posted by: wardropper | October 3, 2008 7:46 PM

NOT a good thing for McCain. The last thing he needs is for people to scrutinize him.

Posted by: notbuyinganyofit | October 3, 2008 7:45 PM

"Lectures on foreign language, but speaks none ... Graduated from Harvard but never practiced." Please, please, stop these body blows, grer!

Continuing in the spirit of personal detail, lets examine McCain's sparkling character and achievements:

Like his man W., McCain entered this world with a freight of privilege but a dearth of character and wits. He escaped failure at Annapolis, barely, because of his name. But his sloth and recklessness did not end there.

As poor a student at flying as at academics, he many times escaped death from his negligent flying---but kept his wings due to his name. His outrageous abuse of Navy privileges did not impair his career. Because he was secretly flying his fighter from "McCain Field" to date his first wife in Philly. He even hit a powerline in Spain, causing a blackout, goofing off in his fighter. But he retained his wings.

After Vietnam, he earned his spot in the war college because of his name (5ths from the bottom don't often make the cut).

He earned each of his command positions, and his eventual political appointments in the Military through his dad. He did grab his political brief with both hands, and seized a prominent role in the military lobbying system.

He earned his position in the Senate with his connections and by the grace of criminal Charles Keating, who personally raised 1/3 of McCain's campaign funding for his senate race.

He earned his personal fortune the old-fashioned way. Dumping the aforementioned wife, crippled for life in a car wreck, for the blonde heiress, he openly cheatedon the suffering woman for a year before dropping her like a bomb. Cindy admits today she never knew his real age until she saw their marriage license.

His humiliation seeing his Chief Benefactor, Keating, disgraced, and his punishment for his own related crimes, brought him low. But he continued to mock and cuss his way through the Senate, with fisticuffs and f-bombs flying at both friends and enemies.

In his 30 year career, he has made his mark in foreign affairs, but he will never be remembered as a statesman. Instead, he'll be known as his colleagues know him now: as bitter, a bully, and a cheerful dunce on domestic matters or whatever doesn't interest him.

McCain is a fierce warrior and patriot. But his story of personal honor and character is ragged and shameful. And his public behavior does not provide a favorable contrast. Is this the man we want in our highest office?

Posted by: wharwood | October 3, 2008 7:39 PM

Sarah Palin did just well enough to keep John McCain's campaign alive. Now it's his move, though I suspect the economy has terminated any realistic chance he had.

Posted by: rmpatera | October 3, 2008 7:38 PM


Know who favors Obama's tax plan and Fed run health care program?

No surprise. Those that pay no Fed Tax favor the Obama plan. Or another way to say it...the slugs, the uneducated, the government needy, the government enslaved, the unproductive, the ones that have their hands out for government give a ways.

Yes, the result of Lib Dem Socialism big government entitlement policy.
Slugs.

Posted by: ChangeWhat | October 3, 2008 7:36 PM

Palin should debate the empty suit Marxist Obama. She should challenge the clown.

Just, by comparison, her executive qualifications versus his lack of, her actual real life experiences, her honestly, her genuine love and pride for this country would have the Marxist running back to the streets of South Chicago where he could continue his corrupt racist relationships.

It would be a beautiful thing to see her field dress him like a moose.


Posted by: ChangeWhat | October 3, 2008 7:34 PM

Well said dunnhaupt.

Check out the Rolling Stone Article. McCain is a dangerous nutcase. Keep him away from "The Button"!

Posted by: thebobbob | October 3, 2008 7:33 PM

Only recently did I realize that what McCain loves to call maverick is merely another name for an erratic and irresponsible hothead who shoots first and asks questions later. All his life McCain has been a reckless hazardeur and gambler, beginning with crashing five planes, and ending with the gamble on an unvetted Palin he didn't even know until a few weeks ago. Cowboys who shoot from the hip are fun in the movies but extremely dangerous in politics.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | October 3, 2008 7:29 PM

any beauty queen can be a vp canidate... any balck senator from chicago can be prez... home of corupt politiicans,.... obamba is dirty like all the rest of the 100....

Posted by: robinhood2 | October 3, 2008 7:26 PM

wideblacksky: It will always be a worthwhile endeavor to try to get Americans to awake from their Obama induced
stupor.

Posted by: Grej | October 3, 2008 7:26 PM

-McCain IS a vet with serious war related injuries. The best thing would be to ask him why he voted the way he did. Some bills are tied together with other bills that are flawed.

Posted by: Grej | October 3, 2008 7:22 PM

Can we please stop pretending that McCain has a chance? It's over.

Posted by: wideblacksky | October 3, 2008 7:20 PM

Mysticalsister:

You rock.

Every one of us should get angry each time McCain pretends to care about soldiers or vets.

Brandon Friedman of VetVoice has compiled a detailed list of McCain's "miserable record" of voting against veterans' benefits.

It is a shameful and shocking list, beginning with the information that the "non-partisan Disabled American Veterans gave Sen. McCain a 20 percent rating for his voting record on veterans' issues. Similarly, the non-partisan Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America gave McCain a 'D' grade for his poor voting record on veterans' issues, including McCain's votes against additional body armor for troops in combat and additional funding for PTSD and TBI screening and treatment."

If you support McCain and you support the troops, then you owe this a reading.

http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1973

Posted by: BlueDog1 | October 3, 2008 7:14 PM

WOW. Sarah Palin did a great job and said exactly what she needed to. I am not understanding how you can vote for a candidate that got us into this mess. In the bailout bill, We are paying to bailout the union's pension plan, Hurricane katrina housing [acorn] and sending money to foreign countries to make us look good. All obama pet projects. Right now we are at 700 billion dollars. Pelosi's home state is in trouble and they need another 700 billion and obama wants another 1 trillion dollars to establish all his new little socialist programs like government health care and sending our taxpaying dollars to the united nations so africans can live the American dream, on my dime.Just so the US looks better in the world's eyes. By the way The united nations was in the news today promoting islamic ideas. I am for democracy. If I wanted to live in a socialist/ communist country I would move to Russia or China. I am voting McCain/Palin for democracy

Posted by: bailey9999 | October 3, 2008 6:46 PM

Here's the problem with your analysis, Mr. Balz;
You're assuming that Palin is going to disappear from the spotlight, now that the debate is over.
I've seen the Palin post-debate interview with Carl Cameron.
She is going to be out front, and pushing the agenda. She's said that any restraints that might have been placed on her have been lifted. Sarah has been freed.
Media...you WILL cover her...and like it!She cemented herself as the most popular figure in America last night., and the world will demand to see more of her.
And judging from her response at the end of the debate, and her stated intentions in the Carl Cameron interview, don't get too exited about Michigan. Palin said that she is requesting that SHE focus on Michigan...good plan
Oh yeah, there is a poll that has McCain ahead in Minnesota, today.....not that polls mean anything (ask Kerry)

And your assertion that this financial mess has hurt McCain might not be true for much longer.
If Obama keeps pushing it, McCain is going to take the gloves off, and hammer him for his ties,associations with those responsible for the whole thing. And his voting record that helped allow the corruptuion to continue.
(which explains the unusually big donations that Obama has received from Fannie Mae)

No, Obama's only chance is the same old hopey-chagey-we-are-the-one's-we've-been-waiting-for thing.

BTW, If we're the one's we've been waiting for...why the hell haven't we already did what we want to do?

Posted by: MrMeaner | October 3, 2008 6:44 PM

Palin gets investigated and this guy doesn't:


Franklin Raines, former head of Fannie Mae


On December 21, 2004 Raines accepted what he called "early retirement" from his position as CEO while U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigators continued to investigate alleged accounting irregularities. He is accused by The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO), the regulating body of Fannie Mae, of abetting widespread accounting errors, which included the shifting of losses so senior executives, such as himself, could earn large bonuses .

In 2006, the OFHEO announced a suit against Raines in order to recover some or all of the $50 million in payments made to Raines based on the overstated earnings initially estimated to be $9 billion but have been announced as 6.3 billion..

Civil charges were filed against Raines and two other former executives by the OFHEO in which the OFHEO sought $110 million in penalties and $115 million in returned bonuses from the three accused.[5] On April 18, 2008, the government announced a settlement with Raines together with J. Timothy Howard, Fannie's former chief financial officer, and Leanne G. Spencer, Fannie's former controller. The three executives agreed to pay fines totaling about $3 million, which will be paid by Fannie's insurance policies. Raines also agreed to donate the proceeds from the sale of $1.8 million of his Fannie stock and to give up stock options. The stock options however have no value. Raines also gave up an estimated $5.3 million of "other benefits" said to be related to his pension and forgone bonuses.

An editorial in The Wall Street Journal called it a "paltry settlement" which allowed Raines and the other two executives to "keep the bulk of their riches." In 2003 alone, Raines's compensation was over $20 million.

In a settlement with OFHEO and the Securities and Exchange Commission, Fannie paid a record $400 million civil fine. Fannie, which is the largest American financier and guarantor of home mortgages, also agreed to make changes in its corporate culture and accounting procedures and ways of managing risk.

In June 2008 Wall Street Journal reported that Franklin Raines was one of several politicians who received below market rates loans at Countrywide Financial because the corporation considered the officeholders "FOA's"--"Friends of Angelo" (Countrywide Chief Executive Angelo Mozilo). He received loans for over $3 million while CEO of Fannie Mae. Franklin Raines is currently one of Barack Obama's chief economic advisers.


Franklin Raines now one of Obama' chief advisors and probable cabinet appointee(Hmm..I wonder
which Department?)

Posted by: Grej | October 3, 2008 6:43 PM

Here's the problem with your analysis, Mr. Balz;
You're assuming that Palin is going to disappear from the spotlight, now that the debate is over.
I've seen the Palin post-debate interview with Carl Cameron.
She is going to be out front, and pushing the agenda. She's said that any restraints that might have been placed on her have been lifted. Sarah has been freed.
Media...you WILL cover her...and like it!She cemented herself as the most popular figure in America last night., and the world will demand to see more of her.
And judging from her response at the end of the debate, and her stated intentions in the Carl Cameron interview, don't get too exited about Michigan. Palin said that she is requesting that SHE focus on Michigan...good plan
Oh yeah, there is a poll that has McCain ahead in Minnesota, today.....not that polls mean anything (ask Kerry)

And your assertion that this financial mess has hurt McCain might not be true for much longer.
If Obama keeps pushing it, McCain is going to take the gloves off, and hammer him for his ties,associations with those responsible for the whole thing. And his voting record that helped allow the corruptuion to continue.
(which explains the unusually big donations that Obama has received from Fannie Mae)

No, Obama's only chance is the same old hopey-chagey-we-are-the-one's-we've-been-waiting-for thing.

BTW, If we're the one's we've been waiting for...why the hell haven't we already did what we want to do?

Posted by: MrMeaner | October 3, 2008 6:41 PM

Obama's Senate campaign:

Obama's opponent in his US Senate race had been through a messy divorce. Someone working on behalf of Obama sought to have the records unsealed in order to embarrass his opponent. Both parents had
agreed that the files should be sealed to protect the child in the marriage. His opponent was way ahead in the race however so somehting had to be done.

Obama's people got a judge to release the files that were deemed consistent with the interests of Ryan's young child. The decision to release these files generated much controversy because it went against both parents direct request, and because it reversed the earlier decision to seal the papers in the best interest of the child. A week after they were unsealed, Obama's opponent resigned, because of the
embarrasing revelations therein..

And he was supposed to be a different kind of candidate, not like those evil Republicans.

Posted by: Grej | October 3, 2008 6:39 PM

1. Mr. Obama is a first-term senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name.
2. Mr. Obama voted present nearly 130 times,quite a lot for a first term Senator.
3. Mr. Obama lectures on learning a foreign language, can speak none himself.
4. Mr. Obama has never produced a single peice of scholarship,or written anything of note.
5. He earned a law degree from harvard but never practiced law.
6. He did write two books. The subject? Himself.
7. Has he ever admitted he changed his mind or was wrong about anything?
8. on Iraq, Obama has held almost every conceivable position.
9. His Pro-Life (National Right to Life) rating=2005 0%, 2006,0%,2007,0%
10. He attended a church for twenty years where hte pastor spewed hateful venom
but once it became a news item he said that Rev. Wright was not the man he had come to know.

Senator Obama said we had 57 states,did not know that Russia had a veto in the UN Security Council, was against the surge and thinks the president has to call in the Joint Chiefs in order to pull out of Iraq(as commander-in-chief
he does not need their advice on this).

The press would be all over Sara Palin on
these things.

Posted by: Grej | October 3, 2008 6:33 PM

Of course she exceeded her party's expectations. The bar was set so low they dug a ditch to place it so she wouldn't trip over it. All she did was play to the lowest common denominator with pre-programmed answers punctuated with feigned, folksy expressions that never actually addressed the questions while smiling and winking at the camera.

The woman appeared completely void of any real knowledge on the issues. Even worse she seemed completely void of compassion as evidenced when Biden choked back his emotions when responding to a question that brought back the loss of his wife and daughter. Palin, not missing a beat, fired back with another unrelated talking point as if Biden had said nothing.

She's well packaged but if you get past the wrapping you realize that there really is nothing inside.

Posted by: bfjackjernigan | October 3, 2008 6:31 PM

It is very sad to see American Values dropping so low on a National and International scale. Now any College student or beauty pageant whether dumb founded or not can apply to be a Vice-President of the United States of America. What else will they do to this Country? Our forefathers should be dying of shame again and again in their graves! What kind of values are we setting up for our children and grand Children!
I have never been so ashame of being a Republican after 56 years of voting Republican!!! I am now convinced that McCain won't dO any better than GW. Bush since they have such strong common denominatorS: NO JUDGMENT, NO FUTURISTIC VISION FOR THIS COUNTRY OTHER THAN WAR, NO ELEVATED OPINION OR SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE JOB THEY ARE CALLED TO DO...

Posted by: deen7 | October 3, 2008 6:31 PM

Sara Palin's performance:

It was very good. There were times that she had to call some audibles because of Joe's many lies. For, instance, the one where he said that Obama did not say he would meet with the leaders of these rogue
nations,such as Iran without preconditions. I listened just this aftrnoon to a recording of Obama saying just that.

Posted by: Grej | October 3, 2008 6:29 PM

The Boston Globe reported it eight years ago:

McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain’s encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He’s an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can’t raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.

After Vietnam, McCain had Ann Lawrence, a physical therapist, help him regain flexibility in his leg, which had been frozen in an extended position by a shattered knee. It was the only way he could hope to resume his career as a Navy flier, but Lawrence said the treatment, taken twice a week for six months, was excruciatingly painful.

”He endured it, he wouldn’t settle for less,” said Lawrence, who rejoiced with McCain when he passed the Navy physical. ”I have never seen such toughness and resolve.”

Posted by: Grej | October 3, 2008 6:21 PM

Attention -- and Scrutiny -- Shifts Back to McCain


When's The One going to be the subject of ANY scrutiny in the MSM?

You know... like Ayers and Rezko and Wright.

Crickets.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | October 3, 2008 6:17 PM


Obama campaign - "he admits he still doesn't know how to use a computer, can't send an e-mail."


McCain doesn't know how to use a computer?

"In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate's savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. 'She's a whiz on the keyboard, and I'm so laborious,' McCain admits."


http://www.forbes.com/asap/2000/0529/053_print.html
ecoming a military fighter pilot takes a certain amount of technological savvy.

Posted by: Grej | October 3, 2008 6:16 PM

I am amazed at how much the commentators, including the revered WashPost, have LOWERED their standards when looking at Palin's performance. It was subpar to put it mildly; she said very little that was substantial; she invoked the GOP / McCain mantras again and again; she evaded questions. The only thing she did that everybody seems to be praising is a negative: She did not make show herself to be the kind of blithering idiot that her other recent performances have in fact shown her to be.

And this is acceptable? Laudatory? Worth commenting on? Holy smokes, where have standards gone?

Posted by: dicesare1 | October 3, 2008 6:14 PM

Mysticalsister - fantastic post, well said, I applaud your directness. Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: karennwose | October 3, 2008 6:14 PM

I have grave concerns about John McCain's ability to relate to the problems of the current generation. I've an uncle who is 72. He is well educated and active in the community. He has a lot of trouble understanding computer technology to the point he even won't like to be seen standing near a computer. McCain has a problem with computers. This country needs somebody who is not only comfortable with technology, but embraces the advances in technology. McCain likes drilling for oil since that technology was there when he was in his 20s and 30s. McCain has trouble with any new technology to reduce our dependence on oil. it is also troubling that he picked a running mate with the IQ of a moose. Watching the debate last night made me cringe whenever she put a phony folksy talk. Real people do not talk like that. Her constant batting and winking of her eyes as if she is communicating some hidden meaning to us was also very troubling. She thought she can act like Tina Fey to get us like her more. We are not looking forward to a comedian to be in the white house deciding the future of our kids.

Posted by: JohnMcCormick | October 3, 2008 5:40 PM

Good old maverick mccain.He votes for the bailoit bill, then advises bush to veto it. Flip-flop? Heck no! A revolving door.

And he can't even keep robot sarah on message. She answers a voter that we should invade Pakistan (ala Obama) if terrorists hide there. Mccain has a conniption and goes with her to meet Katie Couric like daddy going to the principal's office with his daughter. Then, again with Couric, palin says she believes there is a right to privacy in the Constitution. That is against the basic tenet of every anti-abortion rightwinger, from Bob Bork to rick santorum. Then last night she goofs up on mccain's health plan. Malfunction! Mafunction! Must fix audio output component!

Posted by: mikel7 | October 3, 2008 5:34 PM

Headlines---Rumors of Mental Heath Issues Dog Pakistan's New President...

If McCain gets elected president the same headline will be on every American newspaper.


Posted by: 1-20-09 | October 3, 2008 5:30 PM

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/draw-your-conclusions.html

Monday, September 29, 2008
Draw Your Conclusions

The bailout bill was brought forward by a Republican administration.

Over 2/3rds of Democrats voted for it.

John McCain said that he would deliver the votes of Republicans.

He "suspended his campaign" to do it.

He made this a central test of his leadership by doing so.

He said he would not attend the debate unless the bailout bill passed.

He attended the debate.

He failed to deliver the Republican votes.

The bill did not pass.

Draw your conclusions.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/draw-your-conclusions.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 3, 2008 5:24 PM

I’m angry because for 8 long years I’ve been told that I don’t love my country because I’m not republican. I’m angry because the neocons have bankrupted our country, sacrificed our service people, gutted our education system, and destroyed the middle class. I’m angry that the religious right wants to turn America into some sick version of a “born again Disneyland” where they get all the rights, and the rest of us have to live in an ideological gulag. I’m angry that the media enables liars to lie, on camera, and then reports those lies as if they were the truth. And I’m angry that we have become the sort of country that would accept Sarah Palin as a candidate for VP. But mostly, I’m angry at John McCain.

My father landed at Normandy Beach. He was among the first to liberate Buchenwald prison camp. He never spoke of his experience except to praise the men who served with him. He was a true hero. I want John McCain to shut up about his service and stop using it to pander for votes. Men and women are dying for our country RIGHT NOW, every day, in a war he lied us into. They are the real heroes. Yet McCain treats our soldiers like garbage, gutting their benefits & then claims to love them to get applause.

John McCain is a disgrace.

Posted by: Mysticalsister | October 3, 2008 5:24 PM

There is but one strategy for McCain now- fear and smear. Instill in "bubba and the gang" a strong fear of Obama, the dark-skinned man who "nobody knows", a lite version of the email I finally got describing Obama as the antichrist! Smear- continue to belittle Obama's accomplishments, continue to drag out the big 3, Wright, Rezco, and Ayers.

This is the bread and butter of republican presidential politics since Dick Nixon, Ford's loss and Regan's first term excepted. Always claim the high ground of Christian patriotism, which started with Nixon vs. the commie hippies. The problem is, people have something horribly real and frightening to take their minds off Rove style hate, suspicion, and self-righteous flag waving, even from a Barbie/pitbull with lipstick, the perfect icon of republican hypocrisy! With all her smiles, folksy banter and winks, the moose killer can't prop up McCain. I'm sure most republicans would rather think Palin/somone for 2012!

Posted by: USVoter | October 3, 2008 5:18 PM

texas2007: As a Texan since 1977, please don't presume to include me in your "other 88%" as I would NEVER want to associated with the likes of you.

Posted by: egm2 | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM

See Out Takes from Biden and Palin practice Debates, You can also Give FeedBack on how you think Sarah Palin did in the Debate, See what the national poll says about what others think,
http://www.mccanes.com/watchdebatevp.html

Posted by: pastor123 | October 3, 2008 5:11 PM

all i have to say is stupid is as stupid does!!! good luck to any mccain/palin supporters!! obama and biden are on their way to a historic victory!

Posted by: rinny_1983 | October 3, 2008 5:08 PM

Why should any Republican vote for McCain? He voted for a Wall Street bailout loaded with pork. He's no maverick.
And he picked a nice woman who is completely unprepared for higher office...which reflects poorly on his judgment.
Republicans need to think twice, and a third time, before voting for this guy.

Posted by: fougasseu | October 3, 2008 5:00 PM

George F Will "McCain has lost his head"

"THE REFORMER" OR "THE MAVERICK" VOTED FOR THE PORK IN 700 BILLION DOLLAR BILL

"I have fought the big spenders in both parties who waste your money on both things you may not need or want. And the first big spending, pork barrel earmarked bill that comes across my desk I will (vote) veto it -I will make them famous, and you will know their names! You will know their names!"....HIS NAME IS............ JOHN McCAIN

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 3, 2008 4:53 PM

Texan2007 and cschotta1,

I fear for America because of non-thinking bigoted goobers like yourselves. You disgrace yourselves and the rest of us with your idiocy.

Posted by: JKJ88 | October 3, 2008 4:53 PM

No one is afraid of us anymore. The fear leverage had always come out of the abundant of the unknown:the rest of the world could not figure out how strong we are militarily, economically, morally and ethically. In the past eight year they all came to bear. Weare in reversible decline in all of the above!

Posted by: elmammann | October 3, 2008 4:51 PM

National Review's Rich Lowry wrote:

"I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America."


Guess he'll be voting for Paris Hilton, then?

Posted by: thrh | October 3, 2008 4:40 PM

It's probably easier for a foreigner to appraise these 2 debaters because in all simplicity and honesty it is not possible not to notice that Ms Palin was repeting what she just "learned" 3 days ago and she did not understand a darn thing of what she was saying reading her cue cards to impose the next topic . How to explain her performance though superficial in the debate compared to interviews she gave 3 days earlier ....if not by the parrot trick.
Honesty would have paid off for her in the long run.She killed her career,you have to be extremely gifted to lie without people not noticing it.Obviously she doesn't have this gift either .I strongly believe she is dumb ,and probably not so nice ,the former explaining the latter .

Posted by: yabouillet | October 3, 2008 4:40 PM

Posted by: jadada | October 3, 2008 2:09 PM

"For me, one of the biggest surprises of last night was Sarah Palin's full support for gay civil marriage. I truly did not expect that."

I don't understand what gave you that impression. Palin: "I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman."

While her logorrhea about tolerance shows the society has come a long way from the gay-baiting of the 1992 Republican Convention, both candidates flatly reaffirmed their opposition to gay marriage when faced with a direct question from the moderator.


Posted by: jescowa | October 3, 2008 4:39 PM

vernoncormier:

Very good idea!

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 3, 2008 4:38 PM

It's really simple. We've lost almost 800,000 jobs this year alone. The republican party gives tax break to companies that kill our jobs an send them oveseas, and talk about how they know how to create jobs and take care of the economy?

That's like having Charles Manson babysit for you.

When are republican voters going to look up to see it's republicans who are clobbering them over the head.

Posted by: jfern03 | October 3, 2008 4:36 PM

Maverick...How many of you think of the looney tunes little old Yosemite Sam everytime the repubs mention maverick.

There you go looney tunes and republicans
thats about right!!

Posted by: 1-20-09 | October 3, 2008 4:36 PM

Unfortunately, McCain's health plan did it for me. The bean counters will be in charge of cost of the health plan coverage for each individual.

What does that mean? Lets say the premiums are $250 a month per individual and that is without the 20% co-pay. If you get sick, need surgery have a severe medical issue, then your premiums could go up over $2K a month or be denied altogether. It would be similar to auto insurance. If you have an accident, your premiums go up. If you have another one, you're more likely to be canceled. That's how the free market system works. In the free market system of insurance, profits are maximize and costs are minimize. You are a cost system. Try getting insurance now if you have a preexisting condition. It's not covered.

Posted by: Ecoclimber | October 3, 2008 4:33 PM

National Review's Rich Lowry wrote:

"I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America."

The Palin Effect: when a smirking, winking flirt sends all the blood rushing out of a conservatives's head into an undisclosed location.

Reasoning ability becomes severely impaired. We advide against driving, voting, and writing editorials.

Posted by: Attucks | October 3, 2008 4:30 PM

The racists, now revealing themselves quite nakedly in the "Bull Connor" sense, are coming out of the slimy gutters and sewer pipes. I always knew that some people cannot fathom or tolerate when a black person can best a white person.

Obama has never mentioned nor has he suggested that he has a sense of entitlement because of his mixed race. He has excelled, not in the Clarence Thomas way,-who is the favorite house boy of the Right- but by working for it and achieving success. He will do well for all Americans as President.

Posted by: sperrico | October 3, 2008 4:26 PM

"I hope you know sniffing glue is bad for you. But you probably don't because KKK idiots are certainly not the smartest of the bunch. So keep on sniffing and eating your possum pie but please stop diddling your children...that is just sick."

cschotta1, this post was for texan2007, but it certainly applies to you as well.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 3, 2008 4:26 PM

Is Palin going to go on the Sunday news shows? If not why?

Posted by: sherardg | October 3, 2008 4:26 PM

It's laughable that the deluded right-wing nut-jobs still think that this will turn around for them despite the glaring facts. Nationally, the Obama/Biden ticket is gaining ground in ALL polls. In most battle ground states, McCain is losing ground. He pulled out of Mich. because the gap widened so much that they had to concede. Man, what is in that beer the Joe-6-packs of this country are drinking!

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 3, 2008 4:23 PM

One of the most critical issues raised in the debate last night that received only a little attention and a non-sensical response from Palin-- health care.

McCain's plan would:

Tax health care benefits for anyone who gets coverage on the job.

Potentially lead to the end of all employer based health plans.

Deregulate minimum standards states have established to require insurance companies to cover such basics as cancer screening and maternity care. McCain himself boasted how he wants to accomplish the same deregulation in health care that was so successful in banking (say what?)

McCain's health care plan is one of the most dangerous ever proposed in the political arena and would lead to a huge increase in the number of people facing financial disaster due to medical bills.

Here's how the Boston Globe analyzed it:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2008/09/21/worlds_apart_on_healthcare/

Posted by: gschwartz1 | October 3, 2008 4:19 PM

Our enemies fear us? Since when? They know that George Bush is a hollow man in a borrowed flight suit. They know that the United States is broke and addicted to a resource it has to buy from its adversaries. They know that McCain is unwell and they know that his next-in-line is a green, dumb, doctrinaire weakling dependent on bad advice from bad advisors. What should they fear?

Posted by: Attucks | October 3, 2008 4:18 PM

Look at the electoral map and its clear that McLame is going to get the "cracker" vote. Luckily for the rest of the country (and the world), there are fewer and fewer of those morons left.

Posted by: Richard18 | October 3, 2008 4:17 PM

Hey thanks, cschotta, for immediately proving my point! ;-)

Posted by: Brittman1 | October 3, 2008 4:16 PM

These folks that profess to be undecided at this late date are either imbeciles, have been under a rock for the last two years of incessant campaigning, or want to attract attention to themselves. These so called "debates" are unlikely to tell them anything new, since they are nothing but stump speeches in a different form. If they cannot decide until the moment they walk into the voting booth, they shouldn't be voting, they should be playing roulette in Vegas.

Posted by: ursadog | October 3, 2008 4:15 PM

Note to GOP: It's TIME to SLIME!

Since you can't win the presidency on your record or ideas, the only thing you can do is trash Obama to try to bring him down to your level.

Let the mindless bashing begin! (It worked for Karl Rove.)

Posted by: Brittman1 | October 3, 2008 4:14 PM

All you whinning little liberals, so confident the Messiah can get elected just cos he's black. Sorry that ain't gonna fly with the American family. Barack the Magic N E G R O and his skeletons will doom him, and there is nothing the liberal media can do.

Posted by: cschotta1 | October 3, 2008 4:13 PM

Texan2007:

I hope you know sniffing glue is bad for you. But you probably don't because KKK idiots are certainly not the smartest of the bunch. So keep on sniffing and eating your possum pie but please stop diddling your children...that is just sick.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 3, 2008 4:13 PM

The GOP is DOOMED on Nov. 4 and it's fun to watch it go down in flames.

Posted by: Christian_in_NYC | October 3, 2008 4:08 PM

As I reflect on McCain's campaign, having no issues to run on or a record of past successes, he has turned it into one of the most bizarre I have witnessed. I don't see how anyone can take McCain and his brainwashed, talking parrot seriously. If what is seen here is reflective of the change he pays lip service to, the last 8 yrs will seem like bliss, compared to what will certainly follow with him at the helm. McCain has single handedly made a mockery of himself and made the US political process the laughing stock to the rest of the world

Posted by: tydicea | October 3, 2008 4:05 PM

As I reflect on McCain's campaign, having no issues to run on or a record of past successes it is, he has turned it into one of the most bizarre I have witnessed. I don't see how anyone McCain and his brainwashed, talking parrot seriously. If what is seen here is reflective of the change he pays lip service to, the last 8 yrs will seem like bliss compared to what will certainly follow with him at the helm. McCain has single handedly made a mockery of himself and made the US political process the laughing stock to the rest of the world.

Posted by: tydicea | October 3, 2008 4:03 PM

I have to say, after watching last night's debate - I am absolutely terrified of Palin becoming VP. It's almost like she prides herself on not knowing anything substantive about any issue, instead just spewing out catch-phrases that don't address anything of importance.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 3, 2008 4:02 PM

You Easterners just don't undertand our politics in Alaska ... we like to be called Joe Six Pack ... lobsters, crab, BBQ and a trus six pack ... then we are floksie and we make mistakes when we get drunk. That's life ... especially when you see your pension going into the tank ... if you have one

Posted by: amitchel | October 3, 2008 4:02 PM

We heard Maverick 15 time. Surprisingly Biden:9 and Palin:6

However out of 53 instances of "Also" Palin said it 48 times. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a new drinking game!

Posted by: shadow27 | October 3, 2008 4:02 PM

i have been a republican voter all my life, but the level of lies and mismanagement under bush has overwhelmed me. i was inclined to vote for mccain, but his judgement and temperament have reached unsupportable levels. his arguments and strategy are full of contradictions. is obama a risk? yes. at this point, i view my vote as the equivalent of jury nullification. the administration, and it's intellectual underpinning, needs to be purged as completely as possible. mccain is just incapable of this. most of the lies and policies that have done such profound damage to this country, he supported.

Posted by: phosgene | October 3, 2008 4:01 PM

Texan2007,

If you loved this country, you would learn the policies of the two candidates instead of spouting rumors and smears.

You are not American.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 3, 2008 3:59 PM


ATE UP THE SPIN like a candy apple, didn't cha Balz.

The spinners came out and said, first breath, "at least she stopped the bleeding".

Everh where, every outlet, except the ones who tried to sell that she was wunnerful, so fresh (a fading old almost beauty queen)

"AND NOW" the spinners said, the focus will CHANGE TO MCCAIN"...
And Balz parrots them, not for the frist time.

But, by golly, ya know, dogggone it, it hard to say whether the idiot Palin or the old coot she butt wiggled into choosing her in one afternoon is worse.

Look at either. Losers. Both embarrassments.


Posted by: whistling | October 3, 2008 3:54 PM

What strikes me most about Palin's new "awareness" of world issues is how easily this recent blank slate was able to be programmed by McCain's cabal of former Bushies. Bush himself was programmed largely by the same people. We all know where that got us. Now we're seeing this potential new president getting the same treatment, which is the only reason she could answer, though often obliquely, the questions posed to her. They stuffed their destructive set of policies and beliefs into Palin's head and she dutifully parroted those beliefs, most of which had probably never crossed her mind until maybe a month ago. That includes an assertion she made that the VP actually has more power than the Constitution allows. Now, who do you think that little theory came from?

If Palin were to become president--a distinct possibility given McCain's age and medical history--it's clear she would be a pawn to the same shadow folks who gave us Iraq, wholesale deregulation, intensified culture wars, and environmental ruin. She adds to the feast her own Flat Earth belief that global warming isn't caused by humans--something even McCain wouldn't dare to posit. Given her anti-science view on the matter and her allegiance to the oil industry, Palin as President would clearly do next to nothing to stem this looming environmental catastrophe. She also believes when a teen is raped by a child molester, the state should force the rape victim to have the molester's baby (visitation rights to be worked out later, I suppose. In Wasilla under her mayorship, by the way, they charged each victim up to $1000 for the rape-exam kit.) These are policies you could call "value added."

Voting for McCain-Palin would be setting the nation up for another Bush rein, which hasn't really been a Bush rein at all but rule by a mostly unelected government-in-shadows (Cheney excluded), pulling strings, throwing tax money to corporate friends, and starting wars. Palin's path looks to be no different.

Posted by: yogi11 | October 3, 2008 3:52 PM

This reminds me so much of "The Emperor Has No Clothes". The Republicans have been so threatening with the "s" word (sexist) or the "l" word (liberal press) that nearly everyone is afraid to state what is obvious. And in the meantime, the Republican campaign continues believing in its own delusion. The issue here has nothing to do with being conservative (there are many good ones), or being a Republican (there are many great ones) or a being a woman (their political abilities equal those of any man)...Sarah Palin, herself, is incompetent for the position of vice president and this casts serious doubt on the leadership ability of the person who appointed her to be his running mate. I can’t believe there is a person who watched the debate who could see anything else but this.

Posted by: Peter29 | October 3, 2008 3:50 PM

Why doesn't the U.S. government as well as state and local govermnents change the wording on "Marriage License" to "Civil Union License"? The only reason government gets involved in unions is for legal purposes involving taxes, divorce, child support etc. Leave it up to religious groups to call it marriage. Gays have already found churches and temples that bless their union as marriage. Separation of church and state should mean that government does not use the word marriage, but civil union for legal purposes only.

Posted by: vernoncormier | October 3, 2008 3:49 PM

Golly gee wiz ya all are so smart. McCain Palin get my vote, simply because I hope for change. I know who New York and Massachusetts are voting for Democrats. I know who Hollywood and California's are voting for Democrats. They always have. And as I view the recent days of national theft, embezzlement, terrorism, and lowly greed these are two states that lead the country in mortgage corruption, lending abuse and national depravity leadership. Yea thats right, California and New York they both want the most out of the 700 billion. There worth more! As for me anything they are for, I'm against. We blindly follow down the tubes. 2012?

Posted by: blackhat1 | October 3, 2008 3:45 PM

The SILENT majority will talk the talk and walk the walk on November 4th.

Posted by: Texan2007 | October 3, 2008 3:43 PM

Obama was on the campaign trail today saying McCain is out of touch with middle class America.

Obama,
ANYBODY that spent 20 YEARS listening to spews of HATE about America ( G D America to you and your inspirational mentor Wright) and following Black Liberation Theology (black supremacy)for 20 YEARS IS DEFINITELY out of touch with Americans!
Black Liberation Theology, that is a crisp slap in the face to the other 88% of Americans as well as having friends that BLOW UP the UNITED STATES PENTAGON and the New York Police Department does NOT need to talk to ANYBODY about being out of touch with Americans! And this is not only out of touch with middle class America and "bitter, small town" americans or "typical white" grandmothers; but this is out of touch with ALL hispanics, whites, asians and native americans in this country!
You are a shameful candidate. The Democrat party should be ashamed and embarrased.

America,
If you love this country, NO OBAMA!

Posted by: Texan2007 | October 3, 2008 3:41 PM

dyinglikeflies @ 3:00PM

"Dying like flies" is what our kids will be doing after President McCain (and his pseudo VP Joseph Lieberman) impose the draft to attack Iran.

Enjoy your kool-aid, Joe 6-pack.

No more blood for oil! It's already too damn expensive after invading Iraq.

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: eff-o-dee | October 3, 2008 3:36 PM

To say she exceeded expectations when in fact there were none is being more than charitable, it's pathetic. Winking and wiggling one's nose is hardly an endorsement for her to be considered as Presidential timber given the age of McCain. She is an embarrassment to thinking women in this country. What does it say about McCain to have picked such a misfit? This selection has created a circus like atmosphere when there should be serious debates and exchanges of ideas. To think that an endorsement re: quality, is hoisted on the petard of mediocrity is shameful not only for her, but even moreso for Mr. Straight talk. She has the audacity to declare that she and McCain will clean up corruption on Wall Street, when in fact McCain was a willing participant in the Keating 5 scandal, perhaps Sarah, The Wise, ought to ask McCain to inform her of his greedy involvement.

Posted by: jbrubin | October 3, 2008 3:36 PM

National Review's Rich Lowry wrote:

"I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America."

Apparently, Rich didn't get the note. Heads up, Rich (and I mean the one on your shoulders) - we are NOT electing a spokesmodel for some 900-number outfit. We are electing someone who could end up President of the United States. Get a clue.

This is what passes as political discourse over at Bill Buckley's old stomping grounds. Tell me we are not doomed.

Posted by: JWAL1 | October 3, 2008 3:26 PM

It amuses me that the deluded right still try to say that Obama has no substance and is all rhetoric. During the debate and just about every speech he has given since has been about specifics. Perhaps the righties just can't comprehend what he is saying. Perhaps he needs to dumb it down for them.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 3, 2008 3:24 PM

McCain and Palin are going to win, big time, this fall.

Posted by: Phil6 | October 3, 2008 2:25 PM


Sorry to correct your typo Phil:
McCain and Palin are going to fall, big time, this winter.

Posted by: jime2000 | October 3, 2008 3:21 PM

To those predicting a mccain win in November, you may want to stay away from sharp objects for a while as this race is already OVER. Obama has it signed sealed and delivered. He's up 10 in New Hampshire and he's up enough in Minnesota to get his electoral vote count to 264. Even you hillbilly republicans can do this math.....with his sure 264 he needs only one of the following: Virginia, Ohio, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Indiana. While these states are reliably red that's not the case this year. I'd go ahead and start dreaming of a Palin candidacy in 2012...ya, right....LOL

Posted by: pgiaquinto | October 3, 2008 3:14 PM

Let's all move to Alaska and vote Palin out of the country all together. She is the ultimate disgrace to smart, intelligent, gracious women everywhere.

Posted by: msreginacomcastnet | October 3, 2008 3:13 PM

So when did considering oneself a "Joe Sixpack" become a good thing? Why even bother saving to send your kids to college anymore? Apparently being mediocre, uneducated and illiterate is what we should all aspire to be! Otherwise you're just one of those mean elitists who just... ummm... reads all the time! Bastards!

Posted by: repubsux | October 3, 2008 3:12 PM

@jadada:

Palin did not admit to allowing 'civil rights' to same-sex couples. This was actually one of the few topics that actually got 'debated' last night.

Biden clearly walked her into a trap by getting her to agree that same sex relationships were OK. She even boasted "I'm a tolerant person" by agreeing about that, but then retreated to GOP talking points saying that she will protected 'traditional' marriage. Biden pounced with "But you agree they should have all the same legal rights as heterosexual couples, right?"

She mumbled her talking about it again, clearly seeing she'd been laid bare as a hypocrit on the subject.

'Tolerance' is nice, but it isn't the same as being 'legal'.

Posted by: rpixley220 | October 3, 2008 3:10 PM

I am suspending my work day for an hour to go to Arby's and fight for the God-given right of all Americans to have lunch! I call on my fellow employees to join me in this noble struggle of the working man, gosh darn it to heck! You betcha!

Ok... suspension over.

Posted by: repubsux | October 3, 2008 3:02 PM

How cool

I am Joe Six Pack

Looking forward to give McCain/Palin the sack on election day.

The McCain campaign does not have a plan for where it wants to lead this country. Conutry First is let us continue the Bush policies and see if we can do better.

I think they are just too cocky in thinking that all they need to do is show up to beat the black guy!!

Posted by: amitchel | October 3, 2008 3:01 PM

Based upon the ping-pong exchange of comments by Obama cultists here, I assume the WaPo has no more Independent or Republican readers.

You children are drinking rhetorical Kool-Aid like it was water, and are enjoying the sugar rush. Enjoy it while it lasts (and before the diabetes sets in).

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | October 3, 2008 3:00 PM

the great landslide is on the move to roll over John Mcslicky who is not so slick. no one believes a thing mcnotsoslick says or Does. He just continues to be uncovered and the stark form of this creature reveals a negative image that when it sets in the developeing tray long enought it will come out as the picture of a man who is devisive, a man with two faces ,a gambler with no hand,and a man who has every moral issue that words can express. and some issues that words cannot express.the truth is not the concern of this self serving goul.

Posted by: chapppiee | October 3, 2008 2:57 PM

Palin is a puppet(like Bush - but worse!). Coached, programmed, and shallow. She provided no real answers to questions. She skipped around the questions to talk about something totally not related. She drove me to binge drink again and now require a call to AA. Biden is a statesman and very 'presidential". He knows his stuff and clearly can deliver a solid answer for every question asked of him. He proved for me why he was a good decision for Obama. If any good-looking woman like Palin, can have the opportunity for VP or Presidient, then why didn't McCain pick Pamela Anderson?

Pamela Anderson FOR PRESIDENT!!!

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Posted by: masterchief11111 | October 3, 2008 2:56 PM

Say what Senator McCain?

Our economy is fundamentally sound or on the brink of crisis?

Suspend your campaign and rush to the scene (24 hours after pseudo-suspending it) to bring a "bipartisianship" effort to getting the bill passed AFTER a tentative agreement had been reached by the house? OR back off when you can't even bring members of his own party to the affirmative in spite of your endorsement?

Your failure to acknowledge your hand in the grave mismanagement,"deregulation" and unbridled free market trickle down economics for an economic disaster fed by corporate greed is pathetic.
The disaster you, Bush, your fellow Republican cronies, and corporate friends have left this country leaves me nearly breathless with anger!
Maverick and reformer - empty, empty, empty rhetoric. ENOUGH!! ENOUGH!!!!

Not only is it time to turn the page on the last eight years. It's time for a whole new book. Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: carmen188 | October 3, 2008 2:46 PM

McCain was "against" the earmarks before he was "for" them...or did he just forget? also I enjoyed the "America's Got Talent" VP debate last night...

Posted by: gq_online | October 3, 2008 2:40 PM

How many times did we hear the word "maverick" last night?

John McCain is no "maverick", he just doesn't play well with others. He doesn't defer to expertise or delegate complex decisions: Witness the past turmoil in his campaign-- he fired advisers, insisted on doing things his own way, chose Palin for VP, etc.

We don't need an unstable character who can't build a consortium, accept input from people that have more experience or keep an open mind on a difficult situation. Voting for McCain would be a mistake in terms of national security (it will be a long, dark and lonely path for the US) or the economy.

Posted by: JustinMcC | October 3, 2008 2:39 PM

Sorry about the mistake. McCain attended the Naval Academy, Bush hung around Yale.

Posted by: marcpenn1 | October 3, 2008 2:37 PM

I don't understand the vacillation that independents claim to undergo. I especially don't get this experience angle with regards to Mr. Obama. GWB II was the governor of Texas, didn't have any foreign experience, and look at the nincompoops who claimed to be independents that voted for him. Americans need to understand that Mr. Obama is not just giving hope to many Americans, but he's providing inspiration to people all over the world. Could McCain generate the fervor and attendance that Mr. Obama did in Europe and elsewhere? I haven't seen this much interests in politics from poor and the youth since JFK. As for the McCain claim that seems to resonate with those who support him in terms of national security, as far as I know, Bin Laden is in Afghanistan/Pakistan and not in Iraq, you don't bring democracy with a gun and place your bets now that in 5-10 years, Iraq will have a totally different government than the one that GWB II has foisted upon the Iraqi populace. Remember, for all those too young to remember the Cuban Missle Crisis, JFK sent the Navy out to blockade Cuba, but he left his back channels open to talk to Khrushchev. Will McCain talk when necessary? Also, Vietnam is now a US trading partner with a socialist government, and we spent millions of dollars and unnecessary lives to delay what Ho Chi Minh eventually achieved. Sorry for the rambling, but I'm tired of the double standard that Mr. Obama has to labor under as a Black man, while the "bottom of the class" McCain gets a free pass. Obama earned his acceptance and went to class at Harvard, while McCain and Bush just attended Yale and the Naval Academy respectively, due to familial connections.

Posted by: marcpenn1 | October 3, 2008 2:33 PM

"Good news, because it means that his running mate will not be a major distraction, an object of ridicule and a potential drag on the ticket -- assuming no more faltering press interviews or other mistakes. She certainly exceeded expectations Thursday and reminded Republicans why they were so taken by her when McCain selected her."

Having climbed out on this limb, I wonder if Mr Balz will be conscientious enough to acknowledge his error should time prove him wrong, as I suspect it will. Mr Balz may be impressed Gov Palin was able to open her mouth and make sounds, I expect the rest of us have higher standards for our elected officials.

Posted by: zukermand | October 3, 2008 2:32 PM

While Republicans say they are happy with Palin's performance, consider this: A prime time opportunity to make the case for McCain and against Obama instead had to be spent salvaging Palin's and the ticket's credibility. When simply avoiding unmitigated disaster is deemed a big success, that's a clue that your prospects are pretty dim.

Posted by: skrut003 | October 3, 2008 2:28 PM

The Fundamentals of the Economy are Sound!

Whoops!!!

Posted by: lou1 | October 3, 2008 2:25 PM

McCain and Palin are going to win, big time, this fall.

Posted by: Phil6 | October 3, 2008 2:25 PM

McCain - Yeah - He has LOTS of experience.
But what good is experience of you don't know how to use it?
He was a very early leader in the drive to get the US attack Iraq. His push to attack Iraq completely negates all of his international and military 'experience'!

Posted by: stodayxx | October 3, 2008 2:22 PM

Didn't have any major issues with Palin before last night. Her VP acceptance speech was very poised but in the debate last night she really seemed to lack a lot of qualities that a national candidate needs to encompass.

Here's a Republican blog that really questions Palin's position on the ticket and suggests that she's hurting McCain.
http://www.greenfaucet.com/blogs/hanlons-pub

Also includes the Katie Couric video about the newspapers Palin reads.

Priceless.

Posted by: macebruce | October 3, 2008 2:19 PM

Didn't have any major issues with Palin before last night. Her VP acceptance speech was very poised but in the debate last night she really seemed to lack a lot of qualities that a national candidate needs to encompass.

Here's a Republican blog that really questions Palin's position on the ticket and suggests that she's hurting McCain.
http://www.greenfaucet.com/blogs/hanlons-pub

Also includes the Katie Couric video about the newspapers Palin reads.

Priceless.

Posted by: macebruce | October 3, 2008 2:19 PM

For me, one of the biggest surprises of last night was Sarah Palin's full support for gay civil marriage. I truly did not expect that. That's one step away, and truly "gateway legislation", and she knows it. A few years of civil unions, and marriage will certainly follow. That is a big admission from her, and from her party, and while I don't salute her for much, I do tip my hat for this.

Posted by: jadada | October 3, 2008 2:09 PM

Sarah Palin, is a beautiful woman and make a great show piece, until she opens up her mouth, ive never seen such a dip and BS'er in all my days, No substance, No answer, she has issues but no answers.

Posted by: mikehall402002 | October 3, 2008 2:08 PM

As anyone who has followed the foreclosure crisis closely knows, there is currently a loophole in federal bankruptcy law that allows John McCain to protect his second through seventh homes and yachts and planes if he were to declare bankruptcy, but doesn't allow you and me to save our primary residence that we live in. Barack Obama has called for closing this loophole, Joe Biden has called for closing this loophole, and John McCain has defended it to benefit his banker buddies.

Palin was asked about this loophole for the wealthy at the debate-- she lied and changed the subject.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | October 3, 2008 2:06 PM

America does not need to have enemies. Hatred for America in the middle east can be put down to its blatant and unconditional support for Israel. In other parts of the world the US has both openly and covertly supported capitalistic dictators at the risk of losing the support of the common man in the street.

Many of us in other parts of the world admire Americans for their warmth, technological advances and general know how.

The problem is with American leaders and those who deal with foreign policy. They have caused America to invite scorn and they need to get rid of the blinkers and take a good look at the world through unfettered eyes.

The new president should take bold measures for the birth of a new America that would see its enemies turn naturally into allies.

I believe Barack Obama can do it

Posted by: asobratee | October 3, 2008 2:05 PM

John McCain Did Not Sound “The Warning Bell” on the Mortgage Meltdown

I am all for giving credit where credit is due; likewise, I am all for setting the record straight where one tries to take credit or give credit where no credit is due. Palin’s repeated claim that John McCain “sounded the warning bell” two years ago on the mortgage meltdown is categorically untrue. Rather, McCain was one of many congressional voices to criticize Fannie Mae after the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) found accounting irregularities designed to make it look like earnings goals were met or exceeded. OFHEO caught Freddie Mac executives using similar accounting fraud schemes a couple of years earlier. Fannie Mae’s misstated earnings statements allowed top executives to illegally receive millions of dollars in bonuses.

McCain’s and Congress’ expressed outrage over the ill-gotten executive bonuses. Neither McCain nor Congress focused on the subprime mortgage and investment practices which led to the mortgage crisis. Indeed, the issue of sub-prime mortgages never came up.

I remember quite well this accounting scandal du jour as 1) it made front page news in my local newspaper: the Washington Post; 2) the wife of one of the partners for the company I worked for at the time was a Fannie employee. When the accounting scandal broke, she scrambled to find another job as she—and many other Fannie employees—believed company-wide layoffs would follow. The scandal was office talk in my office for some weeks.

Given the back-to-back accounting scandals, Congress had no choice but to hoot and holler against Fannie and Freddie. The accounting scandal led to the ouster of top executives, including Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines: the same Franklin Raines who McCain falsely tied to Obama in one of his more recent campaign ads. Before the accounting scandal broke, Raines was a mover and shaker on Capitol Hill. Raines “perfect” record of meeting or exceeding earnings goals made him a one-man powerhouse on the Hill. So powerful was Raines, he literally dictated housing/mortgage policy to Congress. The accounting scandal instantaneously transformed Raines into a pariah and he was banished from the Hill.

A year after the accounting scandal broke (2007), OFHEO’s annual report stated both Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae continued to have problems with their accounting systems. The report noted that Freddie Mac did not meet goals for improvement in their accounting reporting systems, but some progress had been made. Since accounting systems was the main focus, the new CEO of Freddie Mac was dinged on his annual compensation. OFHEO reported both enterprises as “profitable.” In the same report, Freddie Mac’s subprime mortgages and investments, capital position, liquidity, and risk management were given the stamp of approval by OFHEO. OFHEO totally missed the looming mortgage catastrophe. Freddie Mac spokesperson Sharon McHale told the Washington Post they were pleased with OFHEO’s business assessment of Freddie Mac:

"Specifically, that the report's summary of examination conclusions noted that we are strong in the areas of capital and asset quality, as well as credit and interest rate risk management, among other things."

Freddie’s non-performing sub-prime mortgages and investments were anything but “quality assets.”

Bottom line: Palin’s claim that John McCain “sounded the warning bell” on the mortgage meltdown is categorically untrue. John McCain did not sound “the warning bell” in 2006 on subprime mortgages—the root cause of the mortgage meltdown—and John McCain did not challenge OFHEO’s totally erroneous assessment of Freddie Mac’s capital position, assets, and high-risk business practices in April of 2007.

Sidebar: excessive executive compensation was never an issue with McCain and others. Fannie Mae CEO Daniel Mudd received more than $14 million in compensation for 2006 and Freddie Mac CEO Richard Syron received more than $12 million in compensation for 2006. Congress’ only concern was compensation was “deserved” and gotten “legally.” Syron’s compensation for 2006 was reduced by $700k because Freddie Mac failed to meet all of the accounting system improvement goals. Mudd’s compensation was a 25% increase from the previous year. Both men will receive millions of dollars in compensation from the government/taxpayer bail out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/23/AR2006052300184.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001658.html


Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 3, 2008 2:04 PM

I agree. Sarah Palin will continue to be a major distraction, an object of ridicule and a potential drag on the Republican ticket. Sarah Palin did not PARTICIPATE in a debate - it was an infomercial for the rapidly sinking McCain campaign. And most viewers were well aware of this.

Posted by: jeanbrandt | October 3, 2008 2:03 PM

"they're both claiming Obama never said he'd meet with hostile world leaders WITHOUT preconditions!!"
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No, what Joe Biden said last night was that Obama never said he would sit down with Ahmadinejad, which is true.

Try to be a bit more precise or risk looking like a fool.

This fascination the Repubs have with Ahmadinejad is curious, he says many inflammatory things but he is not the one who has control over the armed forces in Iran. The Religious clerics in Iran (which do have control over the Iranian armed forces) have warned him time and time again to watch his rhetoric because he does not represent their positions.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 3, 2008 2:01 PM

McCain crashed and burned his campaign when he pretended to "suspended" his campaign and flew back to Washington where he proceeded to screw up the negotiations that were already going on there.


When the going gets tough, McCain plays the role of crash test dummy and repeatedly rams his "straight-talk express" into a brick wall of stupidity and lies.


McCain isn't a quitter, he's a bad accident waiting to happen.


McCain doesn't have a clue on the economy, but he still wants to "bomb,bomb,bomb Iran" and Palin makes Bush look like a genius We don't need 2 more C students in the Whitehouse.
Do you really want another 4 yrs like the last 8?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4egXbhSOhk
.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 3, 2008 1:57 PM

McCain has passed away...Palin is President...there is a call at 3:00 a.m. in the morning...Palin reaches for her notecards (the ones she used and read from in the debate) to tell her what to do, but they fall on the floor. Her advisors ask her what to do? But she can't figure out which notecard goes with each problem...BOOM, BOOM ---life as we know it in America no longer exists...CHECK OUT --CAFFERTY ON PALIN……http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd-f-SBJzbI

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 3, 2008 1:54 PM

Two things:
1) McCain still was not able to rally a majority of House Republicans to support the bailout, something he said he could do.

2) Although Palin talked a lot during the debate, her "answers" were not related to the questions. Upon being fact-checked, most news orgs have found that many of her statements were factually inaccurate at best--gibberish at worst. She had her talking points rehearsed, but they weren't in regard to the topics. An off-topic ramble into the finer points of hockey won't persuade Iran or Pakistan to do anything. Palin's scary-smart, but she doesn't know what she's talking about.

As the earlier commenter pointed out, give us all more credit. The voters *are* paying attention, and we're not buying it. As Biden said, "This is the most important election of your lifetime." Listen closely to what they candidates are saying.

Posted by: tellthetruth01 | October 3, 2008 1:53 PM

Meanwhile....all those media folks are all sitting around the newsroom picking their noses, waiting on someone ELSE to say it first lest they be called BIAS....

SHE DOES NOT HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE, PREPARATION, EXPERIENCE OR MATURITY TO BE VICE PRESIDENT.

Chickens. Call it like it is and quit dancing around political correctness.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 3, 2008 1:51 PM

In case you've missed it, Palin is still an object of ridicule, especially since her quasi-debate. Someone who is failing miserably, as Palin did in the interviews, tends to get a smidgen of pity and sympathy, even if we disagree with her. Now that Palin rose above those performances and reached her level of a _good_ beauty pageant contestant, she can be ridiculed without pity for her phony speech mannerisms, her winking, her abject lack of gravitas, and her sticking to stump speeches while failing to address questions asked of her.

Posted by: hitpoints | October 3, 2008 1:44 PM

I disagree, Palin is still and will remain a factor of McCain's judgment on his ticket. That's not going anywhere. McCain will have that achilles heel all the way through voting session.

She had a good presence, but natural demonstration of Knowledge and Substance is limited, and it's McCain's judgment that put her as his VP pick of everyone in this country male or female. He's definitely going to have to deal with that. That's not going anywhere. That's why Obama's numbers went up yet again.

Give people more credit. We take this seriously. We're paying attention.

Posted by: Obama2008 | October 3, 2008 1:43 PM

I think the undecided voters get off on the attention so they keep shouting I'm undecided!!! If you can't see the difference between these 2 candidates at this point you wouldn't pass an aptitude test to vote.

Posted by: theobserver4 | October 3, 2008 1:42 PM

Lipstick on a Stinking Corpse:
Some great reaction to the debate at http://www.23-7.blogspot.com

Posted by: levison | October 3, 2008 1:41 PM

>>>>If a man refused to answer the questions as asked and had spent the entire time reciting campaign 'stump' speeches and phrases, he would have been picked apart.

What?!? Where have you been? Obama has been doing this from Day One - responding with mumbo jumbo rather than substance.

Dems for McCain/Palin!

Posted by: JoseyJ | October 3, 2008 1:41 PM

THe question republicans and independents need to ask themselves is this:

What's more important? Restoring our economy with brains and experience? Or having a beer with an "aww shucks" former sportscaster?

I'll take brains and experience in the real world, thanks. We need a guy who is a Harvard genius and we need a foreign policy expert. Obama/Biden

The other team can't use a computer and doesn't know what the duties of the vice president are.

YOU PICK.

Posted by: onestring | October 3, 2008 1:40 PM

I'm starting to have more sympathy for the undecided voters. If you believe you are a Republican and you voted for Bush, voting for McCain/Palin is a lot to swallow. Values voters want to love them but realize that maybe it's not a good idea to give them power. Now they are listening to the other side and it's very difficult to admit that there may be some good ideas there. I've seen the quandary with a friend of mine that's an evangelical preacher. It's like suddenly realizing that you are not who you thought you were.

Posted by: julie10 | October 3, 2008 1:38 PM

It became clear very quickly in September that Sarah Palin was not vp material. Millions of people knew it and blogged about it. But, like lemmings, the media kept churning out the clueless stories about her and her potential.....until finally they were able to see how profoundly unqualified she is.

Last nights debate was a disaster for Palin. Millions knew she had fudged and bluffed her way through it and are blogging about it. Today, the lemming media is praising her sub-par performance simply because she showed up with her scripts. Amazing.

This is like a bad dream, where the media is so lock-step and afraid that they WILL NOT SAY THE OBVIOUS----SHE WAS AND STILL IS PROFOUNDLY UNQUALIFIED.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 3, 2008 1:38 PM

Obama and Biden are not only LYING - they're both claiming Obama never said he'd meet with hostile world leaders WITHOUT preconditions!!
And of course Obamedia gives them a pass.
It's Germany, circa 1938 all over again.


Dem debate - July 24, 2007
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/us/politics/24transcript.html?pagewanted=print

In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to
meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your
administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of
Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the
gap that divides our countries?

COOPER: I should also point out that Stephen is in the crowd tonight.

Senator Obama?
OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow
not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the
guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous.


(Next - Hillary schools Obama on his willingness to be used as propaganda purposes for those world leaders.)

Posted by: JoseyJ | October 3, 2008 1:38 PM

Is it true that McCain voted for the Senate Bailout/Rescue Plan Wednesday night and then on Thursday's Morning Joe program said that he thought Bush should veto it? If so, why didn't McCain just vote against it? This is leadership???

Posted by: mydog2 | October 3, 2008 1:37 PM

It is pure sexism for any 'journalist' or pundit to say that last night's Sarah Palin performance gave her back any credibility.

If a man refused to answer the questions as asked and had spent the entire time reciting campaign 'stump' speeches and phrases, he would have been picked apart.
There was NO substance. None.

Has the bar really been set that low? No, my guess is the the RNC has intimidated the press once again. It worked.

As for the constant 'maverick' references, I have something that should make you smile.

Last month, I found and posted a hilarious short video, set to the theme of the TV Western "Maverick."

Feel free to view, chuckle, and share with a friend.

It's at:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/maverick-mccain.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 3, 2008 1:36 PM

I think the undecided voters get off on the attention so they keep shouting I'm undecided!!! If you can't see the difference between these 2 candidates at this point you wouldn't pass an aptitude test to vote.

Posted by: theobserver4 | October 3, 2008 1:35 PM

How could someone not possibly know how they are going to vote at this point?

These "undecideds" are nothing but folks craving attention that they never get in their daily lives, crying out for love..

They need a shrink more than they need a candidate

Posted by: jfern03 | October 3, 2008 1:34 PM

Afghanistan:

"General McClellan did not say that?" He must have been resurrected by Steve Schmidt.

"General McClellan?"

Sarah Palin must have been tutored about the American Civil war instead of what is actually going on in the world today.

Her precious $40 billion dollar gas pipeline being built? Only in her head. Alaska recently signed a $500,000,000 contract with a Canadian firm to study its "feasibility." So much for "American jobs."
Many think that the pipeline is not "feasible.". If it is constructed, it is as least ten to fifteen years away- and will be an environmental nightmare, and because of its huge cost will not bring energy prices down in any way.

She is a fraud and a liar.

I simply can't believe the media is giving her kudos for simply being able to stand up on a stage, mouth folky nonsense, and twitter soundbytes followed by obvious non sequiturs.

John McCain- you have lost all your marbles with this choice.

As a fellow veteran of the Viet-Nam conflict, I am embarrassed by your evident lack of integrity and judgment.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 3, 2008 1:29 PM

John McCain: Always the Maverick, Never the Leader.

Posted by: joneshn | October 3, 2008 1:28 PM

How could any voter be undecided this late in the campaigning? The two candidates are such polar opposites, and there's never been such a vast difference between the two parties as there is now. These undecideds... do they watch news? Do they read newspapers? What could they possibly need to know that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam already? Sincerely, I don't get it. Are they still undecided about the shape of Earth -- flat or round? What about the moon? Made of cheese or no?

Posted by: DogBitez | October 3, 2008 1:27 PM

I'm really looking forward to Tuesday night's debate. I want to have some answers to the questions Palin brought up. What does McCain make of this "flexible" role for the VP? Is her combative style going to work when presiding over the Senate? Does he share the belief that homosexuality is a choice? What advice of Palin's has he sought and relied upon in the past (this from an NPR interview) Can he cram as many generalities and references to St. Reagan as she can?

Posted by: julie10 | October 3, 2008 1:25 PM

McCain should give republicans their money back... McCain's whole campaign is a big circus, going from stunt to stunt. His choice for VP, Sarah Palin is a huge joke. The only thing she's good at, is with non-answers, dodging questions and throwing "keywords" over and over again (of course adding a wink every so often, like in a beauty pageant). McCain owes the country an explanation for putting his political calculations in front of the country. She is not ready to be VP or President in case needed. Obama has shown better leadership and Joe Biden looks, acts and is more than prepared to be Vicepresident of the USA.

Posted by: d_hyperion | October 3, 2008 1:24 PM

FIRST STATESIDE ACTIVE ARMY DEPLOYMENT: OCTOBER SURPRISE?

As we get further into October, is the likelihood of an "October Surprise" increasing? Because politically, the narrative seems pretty much set.

Note that effective Oct. 1st, an Army unit previously stationed in Iraq and trained in urban combat is deploying stateside -- the first ever domestic deployment of an active Army unit.

The Army Times first reported the story, which was picked up on Sept. 22nd by the http://democracynow.org web site.

Dan Balz, why hasn't the Washington Post reported on this -- especially in light of the comments from the Army that this unit is being trained to quell domestic disturbances with the use of unspecified "non-lethal weapons" -- possibly, the new generation of silent, radiation-emitting "directed energy weapons"?

Is exotic weaponry first used in Iraq being deployed domestically, potentially against American citizens?

Given the economic travail in the country, the timing of this deployment makes it noteworthy.


WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? NOT WHEN "EXTRA-JUDICIAL TARGETING" OF AMERICAN CITIZENS MAKES A MOCKERY OF THE LAW: http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 3, 2008 1:22 PM

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 3, 2008 1:21 PM

I was undecided before the debate, and I am still undecided. The debate was without fire works, Watching Palin and Biden Practice is much more interesting.
http://www.watchdebate.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 3, 2008 1:08 PM

Back to business. Fight Night MAIN EVENT Tuesday.

Posted by: JakeD | October 3, 2008 1:04 PM

Palin is an embarrassment to real women athletes. She is a cheerleader who wants to be quarterback. .............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/03/palin-cheerleader-who-wants-to-be-quarterback/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 3, 2008 1:00 PM

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