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McCain's Conundrum: What More Can He Do?


Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) gives a thumbs-up to supporters during a rally at the United Sports Training Center Oct. 16, 2008 in Thorndale, Pa. (Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

By Dan Balz
NEW YORK -- The final debate of Campaign 2008 was not, in the catch phrase of the day, a game changer. But the campaign certainly changed during the debates, leaving the two candidates in significantly different positions than they were. Barack Obama is now warning about overconfidence and John McCain claims to relish being the underdog.

After Wednesday's debate at Hofstra University, the question for McCain is what more -- or how much more -- he can do to affect the race. Instant polls offered a harsh verdict on a McCain performance that was judged by so-called experts as perhaps his best of the three. In both the CNN and the CBS polls, Obama was judged the winner by a large margin.

Does that invite more drastic attacks by McCain, or a shift toward a less confrontational, more positive campaign during its final 19 days? Can he do both? Can he disqualify Obama while persuading voters he is not the angry challenger? That is among the choices McCain and his team will have to make quickly as they look toward the last days of campaigning. Beyond that, he must decide how to fight to the end against the huge advantage in resources Obama enjoys.

For Obama, overconfidence is just one of the problems he faces. Assuming he now believes he has a good chance of winning the election, he faces of choice of balancing the need to stay focused on the task at hand and thinking about how he wants to gain the broadest public trust possible in the event that he is president-elect on Nov. 5.

Why the disconnect between voters and commentators on the outcome of the debate? One reason is that many voters have already decided for whom they're going to vote and see the debates through that prism. Given his widening lead, it's not surprising that Obama scores well with the viewers. He delivered a steady and smooth performance through all the debates and particularly while under attack through most of Wednesday night's encounter.

There's also a difference between giving McCain high marks and delivering a verdict on who won the actual debate. It's likely both candidates got good reviews on Wednesday night. But in the end, the candidate who arrived at Hofstra with the advantage was the same candidate who left Hofstra with the advantage.

McCain was under pressure to take the argument directly to Obama and he did, with greater clarity and aggressiveness than he had in the previous two debates. CBS's Bob Schieffer also did a good job of trying to force the candidates out of their boilerplate rhetoric, with some success. That produced the liveliest of the three presidential debates.

Both were forced to confront some of the ugliness that has enveloped the campaign the past two weeks. Both claimed to be the victim of the worst of it. But it's not likely that part of the debate resonated much with most voters, especially those still making up their minds or those whose minds might be changed.

For those voters, two things may count more. One is the philosophical divide between Obama and McCain on the big economic and domestic issues. Both candidates have embraced the Bush administration's economic rescue plan, which has radically changed the relationship between government and the private economy. From there they go in dramatically different directions.

McCain's most memorable line was when he tried to distance himself from President Bush. "Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago. I'm going to give a new direction to this economy in this country."

But the policies he proposed for the economy are mostly in line with Republican orthodoxy.

The second area of note is style. McCain was aggressive in making his case against Obama, but less positive in pushing his own. Obama projected steadiness and calm. That difference has played to Obama's advantage over the period of the debates and there was nothing that happened Wednesday night to change that.

Republican strategists were impressed with McCain but still questioned whether it would be enough. "I think McCain was better than before," said Mike Murphy, a GOP strategist and former McCain adviser. "But it remains to be seen if he convinced America to take a new look at his campaign over the next two weeks."

"McCain had a really strong night," said Tom Rath, a New Hampshire-based GOP strategist. "He forced Obama regularly to defend his positions and used that tactic to differentiate ... I think McCain runs to the party base now. He will live in the Bush states and hope to hold it together one last time. This was not about the middle tonight. It was about the Republican right."

Democrat Simon Rosenberg said he thought McCain was aggressive and combative, but he did not think it would be enough to change the race. "In the last few weeks, the American people have learned a lot about these two senators. In Senator Obama, they've decided they see a future president. In Senator McCain, they see an admirable but aging politician who seems a little out of step with the moment."

Obama is now channeling Bill Clinton from 1992, focusing on the economy and deflecting attacks from McCain and the Republicans with the insistence that the final weeks of the campaign should be about the voters and their needs.

McCain's challenge is much greater. Having delivered what he hoped to deliver on Wednesday night, the question is what more he can do.

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Thozmaniac,

McCain cares little about your plight, as the following report from ABC News shows:

"It turns out that presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain has attended even fewer Afghanistan-related Senate hearings over the past two years than Obama's one. Which is a nice way of saying, McCain, R-Ariz., the top Republican on the Senate Armed Service Committee, has attended zero of his committee's six hearings on Afghanistan over the last two years."

For years, McCain has said he did not support sending more troops to Afghanistan. Obama has requested more troops for the past 2 years.

So, Obama may not gladhand several officers. However, as a potential Commander in Chief, he is more interested in getting the job done. Who do you want as your leader? Someone to share a smoke? Or someone who proposes solutions?

Posted by: Fast_Fred | October 19, 2008 10:21 AM

OBAMA BIDEN 08!!!


PAYS__BAS

Posted by: fu_buki | October 18, 2008 6:14 PM

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram, Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to "The War Zone.

I want to share with you what happened.

He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram

As Soldiers lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General.

As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball.

He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President.

I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the
Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be
the President of the United States.

I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-in-Chief.

It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry, but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is.

What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,

TF Wasatch
American Soldier

Posted by: Thozmaniac | October 18, 2008 10:50 AM

There you go, frankinlaw,

You get your opinions from a journalist who talked to a professor who talked to Obama. WOW! Talk about researching your sources.

It is a shame that people like frankinlaw must go to such great links to try to prove a "connection" between Obama and fringe groups.

I guess backwards people will always fall for a conspiracy theory when they feel out of touch with the real issues. The rest of us realize that the practical approach is to avoid voting for a wingnut who can't focus on one single issue without saying "Joe the Plumber" or "ACORN."

I don't care about some washed up senator who divorced his wife because she was injured in an auto accident (see John McCain's autobiography for this fact).

Posted by: Fast_Fred | October 18, 2008 8:01 AM

I could easily criticise also, and I believe the criticisms are valid and humouress; but I am starting to wonder how bad McCain feels about his decline - it is after all more than well noted by the individual.

Posted by: sellingpencils | October 18, 2008 2:30 AM

What more can McCain do? He can spread hate and fear with half truths, smears, and lies. That seems to be the path he has chosen.

Posted by: Ceeee | October 17, 2008 10:17 PM

With the Dems' propensity to grab defeat from the jaws of victory, could it be beginning to happen ...again? Looks like it's a habit that's hard to break!

To all you puffed-up Dems., the fat lady ain't singing yet...we haven't heard any arias!
Heck, do I see the polls tightening...yet again?

I’m not even a registered Rep. and I’m gonna be dragging every pal, relative and next door neighbor to the polls. Let’s see if your “huge organization of Obama election fraud ground-staff can come close to matching the unstoppable force when EVERY Rep. does that, which they surely would, considering the anger you Dems. and your beloved lib. media have aroused!

When push comes to shove, the sheer thought that this country could be run by an extreme leftist Prez., and both the House and Senate will send shudders down every independent spine when they're standing before the ballot box!

Consider this report:

James Pethokoukis
U.S. News and World Report
October 16, 2008

"A while back I chatted with a University of Chicago professor who was a frequent lunch companion of Obama’s. This professor said that Obama was as close to a full-out Marxist as anyone who has ever run for president of the United States."

Scary!!!

All this is coming down to is for Americans and Joe the Plumbers to decide whether to vote the “Talker” Obama or the “Doer” McCain. It’s easy to talk the talk, but can the Big O walk the walk?

Posted by: frankinlaw | October 17, 2008 9:48 PM

What more can Sen. McCain do? Go home to Arizona! He's tired, erratic, unfocused, and confused. During the debates McCain kept yammering on about "Joe-the-Plumber" - well, Joe isn't a licensed plumber and even he has subsequently acknowledged that under Sen. Obama's tax proposals, he'd pay less than he currently is paying.

Then at one point he kept going on about Sarah Palin understands autism. What was that all about? To the best of my knowledge, while autism is serious problem for families with an autistic child, it is not a national election issue. No one had raised the issue during the campaign, so one can only conclude that McCain got confused again, that just like he confused Suni with Shia, he's confused autism with Down Syndrome.

He kept misrepresenting Sen. Obama's health care proposal. I've read them both and McCain either doesn't know what he's talking about or he was deliberately misrepresenting Sen. Obama's.

He said that Americans were hurting. True enough. But it is reasonable to ask John McCain why he only recently discovered that fact. Even after Labor Day, he was still saying that "the fundamentals of our economy are sound".

No, McCain is just too old, too tired, and too erratic to be a President to lead us out of the current mess and into the 21st Century.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | October 17, 2008 8:17 PM

The problem is not McCain. The problem is the GOP basic philosophy of Big Government + Big Spend + Big War.

Posted by: nick4 | October 17, 2008 6:53 PM

McCain has refuted some of the more blatant attacks/lies coming from supporters at his rallies (though not nearly all of them), i.e. Obama is...uhh.. an Arab (there are so many things wrong with this statement I won't even address it). BUT he will never refute the words coming from his own running mate, who is, as Lewis describes, sowing the seeds of division, fear, and hatred. She is literally fabricating a relationship between Obama and Ayers (which has been thoroughly investigated, and holds absolutely no water) in order to directly associate Obama with terrorist attacks in the minds of the base. This, to me, is just as bad as the McCain supporters who shout "terrorist" in response to attacks on Obama at Republican rallies....Should I be VP then? Because I can make up a bunch of lies, talk about how much I love God, and relentlessly attack my opponent too.

Posted by: erin5 | October 17, 2008 5:33 PM

He and Palin are campaigning in three Red States today. If they are doing this at this late date, then they have lost. They can't win the election without all the red states, plus some swing states. This is like having to have a surge in the Green Zone If the enemy is within your wire, you are in big trouble; once this happens, you have to start thinking about calling in artillery fire on your own position. But McCain may be telegraphing that he knows Obama will win. Today he has put out some non-attack ads; he is acting like Mr. Nice Guy. Could he be trying to rebuild fences in the hope of getting a cabinet appointment?

Posted by: csintala79 | October 17, 2008 4:07 PM

Soak the rich, baby!

Posted by: DEMOCRAT3 | October 17, 2008 3:41 PM

Under Obama's tax plan, if Joe the Plumber's future business grossed $275,000 - he would pay substantially less in taxes with Obama as our next president. Obama's tax plan is still based on AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) and therefore still deducts expenses (rent, utilities, equipment, etc) from a business's taxable income. Only those businesses that haul in over $250,000 after expenses would save with McCain's tax code - roughly $600 for a business that profited say $280,000. Since corporations have been receiving - and continue to receive tax breaks, incentives, subsidies, packages - you name it these days; it's time that small businesses got a break so that they can pay their employees and hire folk.

Posted by: bayardj | October 17, 2008 3:33 PM

Heard an interesting report on NPR yesterday explaining that under Obama's tax plan, if Joe the Plumber's future business grossed $275,000 - he would pay substantially less in taxes with Obama as our next president. Apparently, Obama's tax plan still subtracts business expenses (rent, utilities, equipment, etc) from a business's taxable income. Only businesses that make over $250,000 after expenses would save with McCain (roughly $600).

Posted by: bayardj | October 17, 2008 2:11 PM

ask yourself, do you really really trust obama...

Posted by: DwightHCollins | October 17, 2008 12:32 PM

It would appear that Joe the Plumber was investigated by the McCain incompetents at the same level as Sarah "Mooselini" Palin.

And now McCain looks incredibly foolish having made the centerpiece of the third debate someone whose name isn't Joe, who isn't a plumber, and who is in absolutely no danger of breaking Obama's $250,000 threshold for higher taxes.

We've suffered from the foolish missteps of one band of nitwits, halfwits and incompetents for the last seven-and-three-quarter years. Heaven save us from more of the same.

Posted by: pali2500 | October 17, 2008 12:24 PM

Wrap himself in the flag and fart some more patriotism and have madam governor Palin do the same in that stars and stripes bikini brandishing a scope mounted rifle.

Posted by: winemaster2 | October 17, 2008 12:13 PM

McCon... the last resort is to get on TV and tell America that the republicans are going legalize Marijuana because in the state of Alaska it's leagle and the rest of the country better be HIGH AS SH!T to vote a republican as President.

If McLame and Failin are such hard core
republicans WHY IS MARIJUANA LEGAL IN ALASKA?

FREE THE WEED !!!

The only way a republican will get elected in America is if we are HIGH AS YOU REPUBLICANS!!

You have to be high if you think this is AMERICA!!

Posted by: 1-20-09 | October 17, 2008 12:06 PM

McCain needs to be himself. He has been Doled and Gored. His staff has managed him from a hero into a monster. ................
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/17/mccain-has-been-doled-and-gored/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 17, 2008 10:37 AM

What more can McCain do?

He can start by apologizing for the way he's acted for the last 5 months. He should be ashamed for the type of campaign he's run. He should apologize for his VP nomination.

After he's done apologizing- he should step down from the senate and disappear to one of his 7 homes and never be heard from again.

Posted by: yellow_jacket98 | October 17, 2008 10:02 AM

The Washington Post states Obama is going to make a great president. I see no past evidence to prove this. If elected he will do so without my vote. For the good of the nation, I hope he is successfull. However, he is not going to be able to deliver on most of his campaign promises. The nation is broke. Any new costly social programs coupled with high taxes will have an adverse effect on the economy. In addition, a totally dominated Democrat government is going to rule with a anti-business and anti-rich agenda. Any program he might be able to push through will attract lobbyists and special interest groups. I predict that his administration will be riddled with corruption. His past associations show he will use anybody to help him succeed politically. If Obama's past is any indication of the future, we could be in for a difficult time. Only time will tell.

Posted by: saelij | October 17, 2008 9:09 AM

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Oh Yeah. He spent all this time staying away from these lobbyists so he can run his administration just like Bush. What do you think McCain would do if he won. His whole campaign is run by lobbyists. He'll tell Ya right to your face that he'll continue doing trade deals that short change Americans. Why would he do that. Only a traitor would cut Americans off at the knees.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 17, 2008 9:45 AM

What the hell is McCain doing Palling around with Obama at dinner. McCain's palling around with a guy that pals around with terrorists. Such poor judgment!

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 17, 2008 9:28 AM

The Washington Post states Obama is going to make a great president. I see no past evidence to prove this. If elected he will do so without my vote. For the good of the nation, I hope he is successfull. However, he is not going to be able to deliver on most of his campaign promises. The nation is broke. Any new costly social programs coupled with high taxes will have an adverse effect on the economy. In addition, a totally dominated Democrat government is going to rule with a anti-business and anti-rich agenda. Any program he might be able to push through will attract lobbyists and special interest groups. I predict that his administration will be riddled with corruption. His past associations show he will use anybody to help him succeed politically. If Obama's past is any indication of the future, we could be in for a difficult time. Only time will tell.

Posted by: saelij | October 17, 2008 9:09 AM

There is nothing that McCain can do to win. However, there is something he can do to help the country, and if he is really wise he will heed the advice to cool the rhetoric of his running mate and his other attack dogs. What we do not need over the next interval is a Republican guerilla campaign, constantly sniping, like we had throughout the Bill Clinton administration. We need for the Republicans to be willing to assume responsibility for helping solve the nation's problems. If "Country First" is really their motto, then they will have to come to the table come January.

Posted by: troisieme | October 17, 2008 8:39 AM

McCain's best card now is to remind everyone what it will mean to have the Democrats control both houses of Congress (with a possible filibuster proof majority in the Senate) along with the White House, occupied by "the most liberal Senator by ranking". This will be worse than a McGovern administration.

But there's not much McCain can do at all while the market is in a badly-timed free-fall. A sock puppet of a Democrat would beat a Lincoln of a Republican under these conditions.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies1 | October 17, 2008 7:54 AM

you stupid liberals, you think you have this won. but wait until 18 million puma supporters vote for mccain. you will lose and your obama will be back on the streets.

Posted by: Jake_D | October 17, 2008 6:32 AM

McCain had some issues during the debate. Medical Issues? What we didnt know. Watch complete 2 min video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfG22Sjo2gM

Did Mike Huckabee SAY its Over for McCain?
http://www.HuckabeeShow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 17, 2008 6:21 AM

I was very surprised by Senator McCain's physical presence at the debate. I think there is something seriously--medically--wrong with him. The mumbling, wandering, confusion, blinks and tics make me wonder if he's suffering the natural decline of age, magnified by the stress of the campaign; whether his melanoma has spread to his brain, or whether we're seeing the effects of never-treated post-traumatic stress.
We don't know the answers, because neither his medical nor his military records have ever been fully released. Feel like buying a pig (lipsticked or not) in a poke?

Posted by: kstack | October 17, 2008 5:57 AM

Heck! If the polls are to have any credibility, the McCain Palin rallies should be deserted. Unless my eyes are playing tricks, their rallies are jam packed with as many if not more people than the Big O messiah's rallies, thousands and in some cases tens of thousands! Does CBS News/NY Times think that we're born yesterday? 14 points lead for the Big O indeed. They have the credibility of a slimy cardsharp in Vegas!.

The scumbags CBS, CNN and Campbell Brown with their “Flash Polls on Who Did Better at the Debate”! They think that they can insult the intelligence of Americans with their 58% Obama and 31% McCain. This scam “almost double” result makes you wonder just how much Mr. Money Bags paid them?

I’m not even a registered Rep. and I’m gonna be dragging every pal, relative and next door neighbor to the polls. Let’s see if your “huge organization of Obama election fraud ground-staff can come close to matching the unstoppable force when EVERY Rep. does that, which they surely would, considering the anger you Dems. and your beloved lib. media have aroused! The lib. media huffed and puffed in 2000 & 2004 and and came up with their usual scam predictions but the results sure shocked them, didn’t they? Go on, stay puffed up!

All this is coming down to is for Americans and Joe the Plumbers to decide whether to vote the “Talker” Obama or the “Doer” McCain. It’s easy to talk the talk, but can the Big O walk the walk?

Posted by: frankinlaw | October 17, 2008 5:52 AM

With the purchase of his one-way ticket to Crazytown, McCain has eliminated all options for himself.

Posted by: nicekid | October 17, 2008 4:16 AM

The final debate has shown the people of this country John McCain's true colors.

John McCain cares about people like 'Joe the plumber' who have (or appear to have) money. He cares about the very wealthy and he could care less about the average working class person.

I think he made that quite clear when he talked about his tax plan for Joe (and screw the rest of us working stiffs).

He has never addressed the middle class citizens (has never once said 'middle class' or 'working class').

He's out of touch.

Posted by: ssanford00 | October 17, 2008 12:43 AM

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Ain't over 'till it's over.
No Champaigne yet.
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Posted by: T-Prop | October 17, 2008 12:24 AM

It is difficult for someone my age watch people shred a war veteran, right before they themselves face it.

Mr. Balz, have you considered going to cover the Warzone in the Middle East?
I think it will be an interesting story if Obama is sworn in.

The youth with the big mouths will be the drafted defenders and in the military following their commander in Chief.


The current military might just walk off the job.
Mr. Balz you might pick the best supporters here, because they might be your cover to see the war up close and personal.
If you prefer the desk job, I wonder if the war zone will be on the streets here within 2 years. Think of the jet fuel that would be saved and you still get the big story.
For me this election is about National security. It isn't about money, that is only to distract us from the real problem.

Have you considered National Security in the endorsements of Obama?

PS.
The Billy Bobs are who paid for all of these foreigners to come and get their educations. Make a note of it.

Posted by: dottydo | October 17, 2008 12:19 AM

Snakeheader,

Why did you post a video with a Middle Eastern watermark in the middle of it?
The AL Jazeera video filming Americans saying they think Obama consorts with terrorist might be coming from silly posts like yours.

Posted by: dottydo | October 17, 2008 12:01 AM

I really agree with what so many are saying, that McCain is not going to win or even gain any ground with all the side show issues that he is talking all too much about. ACORN, his best buddy bob the builder or Joe the plumber, whoever... McCain is going to get no where with all of this and it's becoming obvious. Obama is about the most likable guy your gonna find, I think i remember people saying that about Clinton as well. This is how the leftist illuminati really spread their agenda, with a smile. It's a pretty powerful weapon, one McCain doesn't really have.

Everybody wants to say "stick a fork in him, he's done" about Jon McCain but i don't you think you can do that just yet. I think McCain has more potential to gain ground in the smaller, more personal platforms. He did horrible in all the debate, he looked like a stiff, over stuffed teddy bear. His only chance is to get to the people as he continues to tour and really start to win over some the major swings states. I think the past proves that if can just get a few of the states he still has a fighting chance.

Posted by: roadwarrior99 | October 16, 2008 11:35 PM

For the polls to be as close as they are,
McCain has done a phenomenal job, considering he's had to deal with Bush presidency; McCain's campaign doesn't have the Obscene amount of money as Obama's; McCain doesn't have Oprah's backing as well as the rest of the "limousine liberals" backing, etc.
The fact that no one's paying attention to all the red flags going off with Obama.
No one seems to care that Obama's economic
plans to increase taxes don't make any sense. When corporates taxes are increased its just passed on to the consumer, the middle class.

Posted by: ohioan | October 16, 2008 11:12 PM

This is the worst racism I have ever seen out of the McCain Supporters:

http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccain-racist-rally-goers-pt-6-worst-so.html

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 16, 2008 11:05 PM

What more can mccain do? RESIGN!
he can go sit on his patio in Arizona, play bridge with the other elderly, senile old folks & watch the sunset.
Re: the slanderous phone calls- Republicans are LIARS.

Posted by: rsampson02 | October 16, 2008 11:01 PM

Joe the bs plumber did not get the traction hannity, limbaugh wanted. Joe makes $40.000.00 a year. Please man stop you know damn well you were voting for mccain from day one.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 16, 2008 10:48 PM

McCain is General Custer, and ayers, wright, acorn is his last stand.

below average fighter pilot

below average senator

below average veep pick

gpa below average

voted 90% of the time with the worst president in U.S. history.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 16, 2008 10:44 PM

A true soldier recites this prayer , even in his sleep....

"Never stand when you can sit,
Never sit when you can lay down,
Always seek the high ground,
If you got em, smoke em,
Never bring a Bee Bee gun too a HOWITZER fight."

The neocon nazi's that have brought America to its knees, seriously under estimated the American spirit of diverse cultures, religious backgrounds, social, economic, educational, ethnic, peoples of America.

The entire country ain't buying bridges to no where, ain't buying crazy, ain't buying what the republican neocon nazi's are selling.

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131 (216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 10:27 PM

Mr.Balz, since you asked so nicely;

Allow me.

John McCain needs to remove his Egotistical Cranium,

From his Rectum! :-(

It's the ECONOMY Stupids!

I Really, REALLY want someone to corner McCain, and ask him:

Senator;

Would you have preferred to have been the Executive, sitting in a Schoolroom reading "My pet goat";

OR;

The Dick Cheney, sitting near the Cabinet, Pentagon, and Congress, IN the White House, as the 51Rst Senator?

In other words, the Guy who was able to Handle things...

When the Planes were flying into buildings?

Sarah is a gorgeous Spitfire, but NOT ready to be a President if anything should strike John McCain down.

THAT, is a Huge drain!

McCain should get Sarah into a Staff, or Cabinet Position,

HIMSELF, into the Veep Slot where he BELONGS!,

And the BEST man for the Job, Mitt Romney as the Presidential Candidate!

Things,

HAVE CHANGED! ;~)


Sooooo Mr.Balz;

How was THAT?

Posted by: SAINT---The | October 16, 2008 10:22 PM

Real Brother here.

[Obama is a stammering idiot whenever he is given any question that requires even the simplest analysis. Any debate coach would have given him low scores on all three national debates. He is winning on presentation, not acumen. Notice how he holds up his hands after every McCain jab and says"I'd like to respond to that." He looks directly into the camera and recites a totally unrelated, but well rehearsed talking point. That is how someone of mediocre intellect debates. I'm sorry, but the guys just not that bright. And by the way, why won't he tell us his LSAT scores which would allow us to assess his mental competency in an objective way?

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 9:15 PM ]

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See the above from Greg is the problem. Its one thing to say stuff like this but its quite another to actually believe it.

Idiots from the McCain camp are speculating at how Obama is able to answer and have a comback for EACH and EVERY "jab"? The answer is simple, its not an act, he's not coached, Obama is simply a genius, he graduated TOP OF HIS CLASS at Columbia and then Harvard.

He's the first Black to head the Havard Law Review. He's one of only three Black US Senators since Reconstruction he's learned his intelligent and he's a master stratigist. As sad as it would be if Obama was running McCain's campaign he would be able to get him into the White House.

By negating and underestimating Obama's intelligence is exactly where the McCain campaign has gone wrong.

They keep trying to attack Obama because he's Black and they don't understand that people aren't supporting him because he's Black people are supporting him because his brilliant and he's been right on, on each and every issue that matters.

People no matter how dumb they are can recognize intelligence in others. Nobody thinks Obama is dumb and it simply makes the Idiots making that claim look dumb but being the DUMMIES they are they can't see that(but they can see Russia from their kitchen table).

The Idiots on the right just don't get it.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 16, 2008 10:17 PM

greg3 is spamming the board with lies

I Gary Gelormino of Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081 am spreading the truth.

I refuse to allow the neocon right wing nazi's to turn my country in a tuurd world republic.

I will fight, kill and die for America and all it stands for.

Those who would come agaisnt me.....COME HEAVY!!!!

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 10:13 PM

greg3, you sound like a leading expert on ACORN. So perhaps you could cite me numbers on what percent of ACORN's registrations are invalid? For extra credit, you could compare their error rate to any other major organization that runs registration drives.

Posted by: nodebris | October 16, 2008 10:10 PM

He could, perhaps, stop sacrificing what's left of his honor on a lost cause. Crazy idea, I know. What's your honor compared to winning?

Posted by: nodebris | October 16, 2008 10:07 PM

greg3,

You are one paranoid rightwing nut, and full of hatred too. How do you live like that? That kind of thinking will lead to health problems man, and I'm not talking about your mental health..your already nuts. See a shrink, and get into therapy.

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 16, 2008 10:06 PM

Real Brother here.

I said three weeks ago that I welcomed the McCain campaign to go negative. I said if they tried what Hillary tried they would play right into Obama's hands.

What happened to the nonsense about having Obama right where McCain wanted him?

The reason McCain's campaign has tanked is because from DAY ONE he was egged on by Racists, White Supremacists and Black man hating lesbians who claimed that Obama was an "empty suit" that he was all talk and speeches and lacked experience and was Black and therefore inferior.

They NEVER gave Obama credit for his intelligence, his being a Constitutional Law Professor and a tactical genius.

Why has Barack Obama won on each and EVERY level that he has competed on?

He's brilliant he's Tiger Woods, Micheal Jordan, Doug Williams(Redskins quarterback, bested John Elway in that Superbowl).

Only now is McCain making references to Obama's "eloquence". Its too late, you should have NEVER underestimated him.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 16, 2008 10:05 PM

garygelormino1

I get it and so does everyone else! So either stop spamming news that was reported early this morning, or start your own news website!

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 16, 2008 10:04 PM

McSAME based his entire last debate on JOE THE PLUMBER

Congratulates Joe the plumber for being rich...but theres a problem for Johnny McSAME

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:56 PM

McSAME based his entire last debate on JOE THE PLUMBER

Congratulates Joe the plumber for being rich...but theres a problem for Johnny McSAME

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:49 PM

Ayers, ACORN, Joe the Plumber, are all sideshows that will not win McCain the election. If McCain wants to win, then John needs to be John. I remember how good he was in 2000. He could really tell Bush a thing or two. Now, it's really pathetic that he only barely tries to distance himself from Bush at all. What a mistake. Rove and his boys have told John they could do another Swift Boat on Obama and sink him. So, they've given him the playbook to follow. But, that's not John McCain. And, Obama has been terribly underestimated by Rove and his boys, Kerry was a wuss of a politician and Obama is about 100 times smarter. After all, he defeated the Clinton political machine to get the Dem. nomination. None of us ever believed that was possible till we saw it ourselves. In the end, like I said, McCain is his own worst enemy. Political handlers and spinmeisters have hacked him to bits. Sticking now with Ayers after the fiasco it has been for him till now, just shows the continued mistakes.

Posted by: magnifco1000 | October 16, 2008 9:46 PM

JoeT1: I'm not a fool. ACORN has been up to its tricks in every election for the past 20 years. WE all know what they do. We all know that they register felons, dead people, homeless people for a carton of cigs, Disney characters, illegal aliens. It's what they do. And Obama. Gave. Them. $800,000. To. Do. What. They. Do.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 9:41 PM

ottothewise: Most people are third parties who know very little. That's how socialist dictators gain power. By telling lies, big and small, repeatedly. And convincingly, like Ozero. See, this is the despicable thing about this election. Newspapers like the NYT and even the WaPo have turned into propaganda wh*res for the Democratic Party cause. If they had any honor, or integrity, or patriotism (remember that word) they would have carefully investigated and assessed the talents of all the candidates. I'm no Hillary fan, but when the media accuses a former president, who during his terms in office was widely heralded as sympathetic to minorities, of crypto-racism, that's when you gotta figure the world has been turned upside-down. You gotta figure something evil has gotten loose. It's resurrected socialism, but this time Joe the plumber, the authentic proletariat, is the enemy because the free market indeed has made him successful. So behold the new para-proletariat: blacks, gays, Hispanics, transvestites, the handicapped, oak trees in Berkeley, etc. And we must all beware. If we even show what is perceived to be the slightest level of insensitivity, we should be attacked, ruined, driven from polite society, have our living taken away from us. The Obama administration fully intends ignore the Bill of Rights, and you heard it from me first.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 9:36 PM

greg3: ACORN is not a story. They hire stringers to sign people up and pay them by the registration. when they get too lazy to do it right, they steal from their employer by filling out fradulent registrations, with Mickey Mouse, the Dallas Cowboys, some other state's phone book, whatever. and they get paid.

Because Mickey Mouse, the Dallas Cowboys, 2nd graders, dead people and people from other states will not show up at polls where these fraudulent registrations were submitted, there will be no voter fraud whatever. There is no allegation that any real person ineligible to vote is being registered by these folks. why bother looking for a felon to register when you can just make names up?

and Obama isn't connected with them. his law firm assigned him to represent them in one case, a class action in which he was on the same side as the U.S. Justice Department.

when you don't care about the truth, it's amazing the stuff you can come up with. McCain demanding an explanation for Obama's "association" with an organization he claims is involved in an attempt to undermine the foundations of democracy. just a slight exaggeration, you think?

and somehow it's OK to pal around now with an actual convicted criminal, and praise him as a great American patriot (G. Gordon Liddy, who actually tried to steal an election with his crime) because "he paid his debt" and it's not OK to accept a nomination from an iconic Republican like Leonore Annenberg to sit on a board because a college professor who was never charged with anything?

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 16, 2008 9:32 PM

Balz seems perturbed that the viewers overwhelmingly picked Obama as winner of the debate, instead of his boy McCain.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | October 16, 2008 9:32 PM

Looks like K. Michaels is the local resident right wing wacko thug on this blog. Every blog has one. And the wacko for the day is K. Michaels. Enjoy your moment of fame K.

Posted by: skolniks | October 16, 2008 9:31 PM

McSAME bases his entire last debate on JOE THE PLUMBER

Congratulates Joe the plumber for being rich...but theres a problem for Johnny McSAME

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:28 PM


All that's left McCain and the rest of the loser Republican Party is to bend over, grab their ankles, and take it.


Posted by: Christian_in_NYC | October 16, 2008 9:27 PM

McSAME bases his entire last debate on JOE THE PLUMBER

Congratulates Joe the plumber for being rich...but theres a problem for Johnny McSAME

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:25 PM

As soon as I heard the name "Joe the Plumber" for the tenth time I thought, "Ohh, I'm going to register that website."

But, sadly, the website joetheplumber.com was already owned by a guy named.....uh....Joe, I think.

Posted by: michaelfairbanks | October 16, 2008 9:25 PM

TO OTTOTHEWISE
I'M NOT AN OLD WOMAN,I ONLY HAVE 28 YEARS OLD


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 16, 2008 9:24 PM

I don't know what kind of advice McCain's advisors are giving him. But, just appealing and holding together the Republican right-wing base is not going to give him the election. McCain had his best moment when he told Obama he is not GW Bush. But, McCain made a big political mistake by failing to capitalize on that. He should have rattled off a laundry list of things that would establish him as different. So, why didn't he do that? I mean, that certainly would have scored him points, you would think? The reason, because he is afraid of alienating and ticking off the base. Limbaugh, Coulter, Dobson, and the rest of them have shown no mercy with McCain, many of them even preferring a liberal Dem over a Repub they consider not conservative enough. I mean, it's so bad that even Fox News, arch-conservative that they are, has toned down it's rantings about Obama and have agreed to even let him purchase TV time right before the election. Something they never would have done for Al Gore as they so strongly supported GW Bush in 2000. Bottom line, the Republican Party is divided against itself. McCain has erred by trying to please the right wingers and get their support, which they will never fully or even partially really give him. That's also why he picked Palin, which has been a disaster for him as a VP choice. She is popular with the right wingers. If he had picked Romney or Hutchinson, McCain might even be up now in the polls. So, perhaps the last laugh doesn't even go to Obama on this as he sweeps into office. It goes to Limbaugh, Coulter and their ilk. McCain should have just tried to appeal to the American people and not take the rightward swing he took. That proved to be a disaster for him.

Posted by: magnifco1000 | October 16, 2008 9:24 PM

McSAME bases his entire last debate on JOE THE PLUMBER

Congratulates Joe the plumber for being rich...but theres a problem for Johnny McSAME


Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:23 PM

"The Obama Conspiracy"
Is that all that's left? More garbage from the rightwingnuts who will say and do anything to remain in power. How pathetic that some people will denegrate themselves to this point. Not much integrity from these folks, not much brains either. What will you do, come November? How will you channel all that hatred and contempt once John goes off into the sunset, and Sarah goes back to wherever she came from?
Good luck is all I can say. See a Psychologist if you have to.
Again, good luck.

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 16, 2008 9:21 PM

McCain should just quit. He and the twit who runs with him, should just get out of the way and let Obama start rebuilding this nation.

Say Good Night Alice!

Posted by: justjunkemail | October 16, 2008 9:21 PM

I have some advice for Obama:
Hire a defense attorney.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 9:21 PM

Lies, big lies and delusions:
Only 56% of Americans have ANY federal tax liability.
Posted by: greg3 |

Posted by: ottothewise | October 16, 2008 9:20 PM

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!THE PLUMBER HISTORY

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 16, 2008 9:19 PM

I have some very sound advice for McCain:


Quit.

Posted by: michaelfairbanks | October 16, 2008 9:19 PM

Dear Kmicheals.

McCain is a bigger, more effective socialist than Obama dreams of.

Check out the money bags on McCain: $300 billion for his proposal to GIVE banks the difference in value between the current value of homes that they hold mortgages on, and the original assessment. MCCain is trying to GIVE banks, bankers ANOTHER ADDITIONAL $300 billion. NO money back. Just a gift.
That's GOP socialism.
PS. Bush says he will veto any attempt by the DEMs to pass a work and infrastructure rebuilding program.
GOP: BUSH: Republican: that's McCain's party.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 16, 2008 9:18 PM

John McCaine can move to Ireland or France and run for King.

Posted by: blakesouthwood | October 16, 2008 9:16 PM

magnifco1000: give it up. Obama is a stammering idiot whenever he is given any question that requires even the simplest analysis. Any debate coach would have given him low scores on all three national debates. He is winning on presentation, not acumen. Notice how he holds up his hands after every McCain jab and says"I'd like to respond to that." He looks directly into the camera and recites a totally unrelated, but well rehearsed talking point. That is how someone of mediocre intellect debates. I'm sorry, but the guys just not that bright. And by the way, why won't he tell us his LSAT scores which would allow us to assess his mental competency in an objective way?

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 9:15 PM

so KMichaels: are you saying that taxes can never go up on anyone, no matter the size of a deficit, the cost of a war, a bailout of wall street? if raising taxes (even if it's just letting tax cuts that McCain thought were irresponsible expire as they were scheduled to do) is categorically evil, socialist, spread the wealth, anti american, whatever, then taxes can only go down? and who says today's rate is somehow the sacrosanct one, and not the one before Bush's cuts?

and so McCain just told Letterman that it's OK to pal around (actually show up on his radio show and call him a great American patriot) with the domestic terrorist G. Gordon Liddy (whose crime was an attempt to undermine an election by the way) because he has paid his debt (even though he currently advocates shooting ATF agents), but it's not OK for Obama to even sit on a board years ago (and not only not praise, but condemn him) with someone never arrested, charged or convicted of anything? what hypocrisy? oh, wait, that's McCain's forte'

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 16, 2008 9:10 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:10 PM

And were McShame in the white house he'd vet his cabinet as well as he did Palin and Joe the Plumber, i.e., not at all...what a wondrous collection of characters he'd select: Whitey Bulger, Attila the Hun, Prince, Eddie and the Cruisers, Wolf Blitzer, Pete the Carpenter, Marty the Electrician, Joe Twelvepack, Queen Latiffa, Borat, Yosemite Sam, Caligula, Lebowski, MC Hammer.....the list goes on.

Posted by: Jerryvov | October 16, 2008 9:10 PM

greg3, I think the American Thinker publication is just another right wing rant trying to do a hatchet job on Obama. But, here is something I think should be considered. Generally speaking, strong verbal ability equates with strong writing and narrative ability. That's an aspect of strong global intelligence. Those most likely to therefore use Ghost Writers, to a significant degree, are people like GW Bush or those of generally considered inferior intellect. In other words, even from a common sense point of view, most Americans can see Obama is very gifted with words and articulate, therefore, they will discount the "ghost writer" hypothesis as likely just another right wing rant. Another thing McCain supporters should look at is that McCain was doing quite well in last night's debate, until he tried to pick up the Ayers attack. That's when his negatives spiked. Bottom line, the American Public just considers McCain's Ayers attack a mark of his desperation. After all, if it's such a big deal, why do you bring it up only at the last minute when you are down in the polls? Also, McCain even contradicts himself when he tells others that Obama would be "a good President" one moment and next moment says something else. I think from a political point of view, McCain is actually his own worst enemy and this negative stuff isn't cutting it. Not when the stock market can lose 700 points in a day.

Posted by: magnifco1000 | October 16, 2008 9:09 PM

In the end I think ACORN will sink the Obama juggernaut. Voters are beginnig to sense that he is a threat to our Democracy. Which he is. And attacks on Joe the plumber are only going to tick off undecideds so Obama's best tactic would be to tone down the attack rhetoric, hide in a corner, and hope he doesn't get indicted before Nov 4. However, I don't he can do this. Most of his supporters have gone off the deep end with hissy rage and are beyond any form of control. I don't think I would want to be in Grant Park on election eve.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 9:09 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:08 PM

Do any of you bloggers realize the historical significance of this election?
When President Barack Hussein Obama takes the oath of office on January 20, 2009 it will have been 390 years since the first Blacks arrived in Virginia (in chains). Our great,great,great grandchildren will be reading about this historic event in American history textbooks centuries from now. Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1776 "We hold these truths to be self evident, that All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Next January that American Promise will be fulfilled. What will happen in just a few weeks will be nothing less than one of the greatest moments in American history. I am proud to be one of millions who will stand on the right side of history and who will cast my vote for Barack Hussein Obama, the 44th President of the United States. God Bless America!

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 16, 2008 9:07 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:07 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:06 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:05 PM

Obama SOCIALIST connections keep growing and growing.

1) Obama was an official member of New Party, self-declared SOCIALIST party in Chicago.
2) DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) listed Obama as one of their official candidates running for Illinois Senate.
3) Ayers, 13 year friend of Obama is a self-declared socialist. Not to mention his known terrorist activities against the USA.
4) Ayers, as it turns out, was the ghost writer of Obama's "Dreams from my Father book." Turns out that the guy that was just a guy from Obama's neighborhood wrote his popular Dreams from my Father book and it just slipped Obama's mind.
5) Obama campaigned for six days, in KENYA for six straight days. He billed his flight, etc to the US taxpayers.
6) The guy Obama campaigned for is his cousin (so says Odinga) Raila Odinga.
7) Odinga is a self-declared SOCIALIST.
8) Odinga's main motto on his posters in Kenya was "Odinga, Agent of Change." This was in 2004. Obama complained about McCain using the word change, pointing out that McCain actually has brought about lots of change.
9) Odinga followers routinely hack people to death with machetes.
10) Odinga officially supports known radical islamic terrorists in Kenya and elsewhere.
11) Odinga and Obama were inseperable during the six days Obama was campaigning for him.
12) Obama was not 8 years old when he was campaigning for this known socialist and terrorist sympathisers.
13) The main islamic group supporting Odinga was the group that broke into the US embassy years ago and killed tens of people there.

Obama's terrorist, radical, socialist friends list continues to grow and grow. But the Main Street Media obviously completely vetted Obama, so they have said.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 9:05 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:04 PM

It's OVER!

Say Goodnight Grandpa!

Posted by: mjorbach1 | October 16, 2008 9:03 PM

McCain can let the FBI reveal the real Obama!

WASHINGTON (AP) The FBI is investigating whether the community activist group ACORN helped foster voter registration fraud around the nation before the presidential election. A senior law enforcement official confirmed the investigation to The Associated Press (10/16/08).

Twice in the last week, Barack Obama has said his relationship with ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- began and ended with legal work he did for the group in 1995. But other encounters with the group, plus a voter-registration drive he conducted called Project Vote three years earlier, calls his account into question.

Obama's campaign Web site -- in a section called "Fight the Smears" that is devoted to shooting down harmful rumors about his candidacy -- states as "fact" that "ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992."

The site also states, "Barack Obama never organized with ACORN."
But accounts from the 1992 voter drive suggest the two groups were at least working alongside each other, if not together.

A blogger for Obama's campaign Web site in February wrote: "When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer ... Senator Obama said, 'I come out of a grassroots organizing background. ... Even before I was an elected official, when I ran (the) Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it.'"

Also, Chicago ACORN organizer Toni Foulkes wrote in the 2003 edition of the journal Social Policy that the two groups were working to register voters when Obama led the effort in Illinois.
She wrote that Obama and Project Vote made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win her Senate seat in 1992, and that "Project Vote delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them)."

SO, WHY WILL THE MEDIA IGNORE OBAMA NEGATIVES? IS THIS SOME KIND OF CONSPIRACY?


Posted by: Cantabrigian | October 16, 2008 9:02 PM

targaray: please vote early and often.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 9:02 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 9:01 PM

WoW!!!

Joe the fake plumber, tax dodger, Charles Keating relative and republican tool, just another McCain political gimmick gone horribly wrong. Next!

Posted by: targaray | October 16, 2008 9:01 PM

magnifco1000: Before failing to write Dreams from My Father after receiving a $120K advance (think of it as an earned income tax credit) the only thing Obama ever published was a poem he wrote at Occidental College. Here it is:

Under water grottos, caverns
Filled with apes
That eat figs.
Stepping on the figs
That the apes
Eat, they crunch.
The apes howl, bare
Their fangs, dance . . .

Soul stirring stuff, eh? If anyone wants to read the case for Ayer's ghost authorship of dreams the link is:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 9:00 PM

Real facts about Joe the Plumber, contrary to obamaspitgargelors frantic drooling.

1) He makes average plumber wages. He never said otherwise.
2) He was talking theoretically since he admitted even on the spot that he did not currently own a small business.
3) His plumber license is through the bonded company that he works for. It does not need to be in his name.
4) Obamabots are stung by Joe and are into heavy smear tactics. But remember, Obamabots are not into negativity, no not them.
5) Millions of companies still make over 250K and Obama will still hurt these companies, regardless of Joes future plans.
6) Joe is not the nephew of Keating. Never was, never will be.
7) Obamabots are looking more than just a little bit rattled.
8) How can Joe be a plant since Obama stopped in front of Joes house? Difficult to plan that kind of plant, dumbarse.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 9:00 PM

In a normal election year, Obama's link to Wright's "black values system" and ACORN would disqualify him from the presidency in the eyes of most Americans.

THE LACK OF INTEREST IN KNOWING JUST WHO NOBAMA IS IS STUNNING!

Posted by: Cantabrigian | October 16, 2008 9:00 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:59 PM

OBAMA BIDEN 08!!!


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 16, 2008 8:57 PM

..."What more can McSAME/OLD MAN RIVER/REPUBLICAN/McCain CAN DO?

........QUIT!

...."This registered Voter/VET USAF,
see's him as a CRIMINAL, who went LOCKSTEP WITH THE DISASTEROUS REPUBLICAN/BUSH who's job approval rating PROVES BOTH SHOULD BE IN JAIL!

..."Record of REPUBLCIANS/CRIMINAL/FACT!

Posted by: ztcb41 | October 16, 2008 8:56 PM

What can John McCain do you ask?...How about be a gracious loser, go home to Sedona, AZ and take some anger management classes.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 16, 2008 8:56 PM

"Joe the Plumber is the Jeff Gannon of plumbing.
Two bald male prostitutes pretending to be something they are not, honest. They sold their souls for a few bucks. The Devil gets the better end of the deal every time."

Kevin Schmitt: Are you kidding? At least I'm witty and on point.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:55 PM

Republicans are getting increasingly nuts with claims that Ayers wrote Obama's books and the like. Even McCain won't stand by that or the "he is a Muslim" nonsense. But, to really understand Obama's edge, you have to understand the Electoral College. In 2000, the College worked for Bush and this time it could easily work for Obama. Why? Because Obama holds leads in the Upper Midwest and New England States. Even if the leads are narrow, that's enough to give him the electoral votes. California and New York should both go for Obama, but sizeable McCain votes in those states will be lost because of the College. Florida is the same way. This time the map shapes up heavily in Obama's favor because of the electoral college. That's why you have to really look at the way CNN breaks it down as much more accurate then a Gallup poll of so-called "likely" voters. That poll is also probably off because of very significant "get out the vote" efforts by the Obama campaign.

Posted by: magnifco1000 | October 16, 2008 8:55 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131...(216)447-0081

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:54 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!


Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:52 PM

McCain can let the FBI reveal the real Obama!

WASHINGTON (AP) The FBI is investigating whether the community activist group ACORN helped foster voter registration fraud around the nation before the presidential election. A senior law enforcement official confirmed the investigation to The Associated Press (10/16/08).

Twice in the last week, Barack Obama has said his relationship with ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- began and ended with legal work he did for the group in 1995. But other encounters with the group, plus a voter-registration drive he conducted called Project Vote three years earlier, calls his account into question.

Obama's campaign Web site -- in a section called "Fight the Smears" that is devoted to shooting down harmful rumors about his candidacy -- states as "fact" that "ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992."

The site also states, "Barack Obama never organized with ACORN."
But accounts from the 1992 voter drive suggest the two groups were at least working alongside each other, if not together.

A blogger for Obama's campaign Web site in February wrote: "When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer ... Senator Obama said, 'I come out of a grassroots organizing background. ... Even before I was an elected official, when I ran (the) Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it.'"

Also, Chicago ACORN organizer Toni Foulkes wrote in the 2003 edition of the journal Social Policy that the two groups were working to register voters when Obama led the effort in Illinois.
She wrote that Obama and Project Vote made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win her Senate seat in 1992, and that "Project Vote delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them)."

SO, WHY WILL THE MEDIA IGNORE OBAMA NEGATIVES? IS THIS SOME KIND OF CONSPIRACY?

Posted by: Cantabrigian | October 16, 2008 8:51 PM

obamaspitgargelor, seems like your trashing of an American worker is all for naught. Bad news about Obama is streaming forth from all over the map.

Your false messiah is going down faster than you do.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 8:51 PM

McCain has done enough already. He can only create more division and anger at the left. He seems incapable of doing anything other than that. His cries of higher taxes and socialism ring hollow coming from a man who has proven himself to be a self absorbed hypocrite.
Conservatives throw out the word socialism like it's nothing. We had the Clinton administration for eight years, they cried about "socialism" before his first and second terms, and what happened?
We had our most productive years in the last three decades or more. Were we forced into anything? No. Did we lose our rights? No. Did we have to change our way of life? No. Did we lose money because of the Clinton administration? No. But what about the taxes? Democrats will raise our taxes, right? John McCain says he will fix the economic crisis, fix social security, fix the health care system, win the ten billion dollar a month war and balance the budget in four years. Those are his own words. How will he do that without our taxes going up? OUR taxes will go up and our children's taxes will go up, but the rich will not suffer at all. Taxes, socialism and fear of war are catch phrases the conservatives use to instill fear in the public, thinking we are dumb enough to believe it. Anything that goes against their so-called values is evil. Yet here we are, with two wars going on, a recession looming, a huge surplus replaced by a huge defict, unemployment rising and all they can come up with is disinformation, lies, false promises and phony patriotism by an aging McCain(who is not the same McCain of eight years ago) and an uniformed lackey from the most remote state in our union. McCain/Palin are pawns for the GOP machine, and will do their master's bidding. This is not a one party country, regardless of how much the conservative base wants it to be. It's time for change, and McCain/Palin don't have the same definition of that word that most Americans do. Change to them means more money and power. Which equals more hardship for the average person.

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 16, 2008 8:50 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!


Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:49 PM

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:49 PM

Obamabots trying desperately to smear a simple American plumber and all hell is breaking out in bad news coming forth about Obama.

1) Larry Sinclair, gay white guy claiming Obama shared coke with him and had gay sex with him in a limo in Chicago.
2) Bill Ayers turns out to be the ghost writer of Obama's acclaimed book "Dreams from my Father."
3) Obama campaigned for known socialist Raila Odinga in Kenya. He was there six days at the exspense of US taxpayers. Odinga is considered a ruthless ethnic cleanser (via his surrogates)
4) Odinga radical islam ties connected to the storming in Kenya a few years back of the US Embassy there. Seems Obama friends attack the US on multiple continents.
5) Rezko spilling the beans on Obama's mobster connections. Watch out for more about his other mobster connections and special favors due out in the news is the next few days.
6) Top this off with Obama poll numbers according to Gallup going down from 14 earlier this week to 2. He lost 12 points in less than a week.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 8:46 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!


Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:46 PM



What more can he do??? waaaaaaaaahhhhhh
No worry, we gonna get you a crying towel poor baby
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

if he hasn't done it already, McPuke could try making a deal with satan


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Posted by: chasemonster | October 16, 2008 8:46 PM

KMichaels. Yeah, I saw that too. I linked to it through the Amil Imani piece in The American Thinker.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:44 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!


Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:44 PM

I'm telling you. People are being paid by Senator Government to do these lame pundit dumps with bullet points.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:42 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!


Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well as he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

its all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:42 PM

More bad news coming out for Obama. Obamabots are running scared out of their minds worrying if their false messiah is about to hit the dust.

This from a partial article about Rezko/Obama mob dealings ...

3) So, Rezko is singing about the Giannoulias family and its longtime “business dealings” in Chicago, which would interest someone like Fitzgerald and the Justice Department, who have had a long ambition to crack Soprano-style business dealings in Chicago (the city known for Al Capone hasn’t changed much, really). The next plate to drop in this will be Fitzgerald then leaning on the Giannoulias family to give up someone bigger than them, who Fitzgerald once discussed in terms of hoping “he has the morals to do the right thing”, to paraphrase. We now believe that person Fitz was talking about is Barack Obama.

(4) The Giannoulias family was involved with Obama as far back as his first state senate campaign in 1996. It has been long rumored here in Chicago that Obama obtained a sweetheart deal on his first town home here in Chicago — which he could not have afforded otherwise — and guess who the financing came from for that house? We’ve been told it was Broadway Bank, the Giannoulias bank. Now, this sets up a scenario where the Giannoulias family helps Obama with his campaign finances and gets him deeper in their pocket with his sweetheart mortgage deal (for the first home he owned that he could not afford) – all in exchange for quid pro quo to be determined later.

(5) One favor political Chicago claims Obama did for the Giannoulias family was in 2006 when, out of the blue, 29 year old Alexi Giannoulias, with no experience, and without ever having voted before, decides to run for State Treasurer of Illinois. Also out of the blue, Barack Obama endorses Alexi Giannoulias for State Treasurer. This was a SHOCK to everyone in Chicago — and Giannoulias would have never become State Treasurer without Obama’s help. In political circles here, it has always been believed that this endorsement was bought years ago with that sweetheart mortgage deal Broadway Bank arranged for Obama to buy his town house.

(6) So, the Tony Rezko sweetheart deal was not the first magic home loan Obama ever received to buy a house he could not afford.
There’s more to this that looks like it will break soon. We were STUNNED when we read Sneed’s column because we never in a million years believed Fitz would actually be able to take down Obama.
We do not believe this will come out before the election, however, but we do believe Fitzgerald will continue his prosecution to the highest level, because that is what he does. Jean Valjean got off easy, compared to what it’s like to be in the crosshairs of perhaps the greatest prosecutor this nation has had in a generation. Patrick Fitzgerald is a force of nature.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 8:40 PM

Besides, it doesn't matter whether Joe is on the level or not. Ozero said what he said: take the money from hardworking small business owners and give it to illiterate deadbeats.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:39 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt even considering selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

ita all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:39 PM

What more can John McCain do? Well that's for his campaign to determine. What really strikes me now is most commentator like you, Mr Balz, seem to be asking themselves what more can WE do? Although many would like to, it is clear this time you can no longer claim McCain won the debate and get away with it. So you say things like, it is his best debate so far. Or he had a new agressive stance vis a vis Obama. Beyond that what can you do Mr. Balz? We know you all feel sorry for the man. Personally, I am afraid that it is a generational thing. You guys, most of you above 60, can't quite part with the idea the president should be a wise man, meaning he should be at least your age. As it turns out, Obama is wise and younger. It will take some getting use to Mr. Balz. But really, there is NOTHING you or anyone can do about that. We all have to face that Mr. Balz. Cheer up!

Posted by: RegisUrgel | October 16, 2008 8:38 PM

Rasmussen shows tightening, too. Joe the Plumber is the albatross around Obama's neck. That's the thing about Obama. You can stage manage the hell out of the Empty Suit and he still steps in doo-doo.

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 8:38 PM

You know what? If the media made half the effort to investigate Obama's background that they are now making to investigate "Joe" the plumber, Hillary would be the Democratic Candidate and leading by 18 points in the poll. Demos deserve to lose.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:37 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!

Turns out Joe the Plumber isnt even a plumber....hahaha

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

ita all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Heres the associated press article

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RTEH80

Heres another Associated press article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Heres the reuters news article

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:35 PM

Sit back and watch the senior Democrat on the ticket tell us about JOBS. But Biden thought for a minute and counted it as 3 letters. Three letters!!! Joe must have gone to one of Kos' schools.

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 8:35 PM

Obama stole his campaign motto from his cousins 2004 presidential run in Kenya. Obama spent six solid days being used as a tool for his SOCIALIST cousin Odinga. Obama charged the expenses for this trip to the US taxpayers. What was Odinga's motto on all of his posters? "Odinga, Agent of Change."

Seems like any old socialist can use the word Change and get some retarded followers to believe in him.

Obama, known SOCIALIST, agent of Change.
Odinga, known SOCIALIST, agent of Change.

Man, Obama background coming back to haunt him with a vengance.

Gallup polls due out tomorrow show Obama lead that was 14 earlier this week is now down to 2.

Hmmm, Obamabots panties are in a serious bind about now.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 8:35 PM

Bravo DrainYou! Couldn't agree more on all of your points. The question posed is "what more can he do?" here is my suggestion...McCain: tuck your dishonorable tail between your legs and retire to one of your seven homes. Palin can take the next dog sled back to Alaska.

Posted by: radio3142 | October 16, 2008 8:34 PM

Feast on this:

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/breaking-story-prosecutor-fitzgerald.html

There is a real chance The One is going to jail.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:32 PM

What More Can McCain Do? First, he can hire a new plumber, one who can repair a sinking ship. Try to get one who actually is a plumber this time, not a broke one and certainly not one with a lien on his shop for non-payment of taxes. That was a funny line; the one about raising his taxes. Geez, what difference does it make if he's just going to evade them anyway? "Hey, Joe, you're rich!"
Second, John can concede. He's made a fool of himself, sold out his supporters by either being so gullible he doesn't know a real plumber from a plunger, hence can't be trusted in charge of foreign policy with sharp minded opponents, or by being a prevaricator, fabricating this plumber from whole cloth before a national television audience with all the confidence of Geraldo in Capone's Tomb, hence should not be entrusted with the keys to the engines of commerce that run this nation. McCain is just another word for toast.

Posted by: deucebollards | October 16, 2008 8:32 PM

kevinschmidt:

Rasmussen shows tightening, too. Joe the Plumber is the albatross around Obama's neck. That's the thing about Obama. You can stage manage the hell out of this guy and he still steps in doo-doo. It's kismet.

---------------

You might want to check out other news. As it turns out, Plumber Joe admits that he doesn't make anywhere near $250k. Plus I've heard no less than 4 different news stories today featuring accountants who runs the numbers to show that Joe the Plumber and his fictitious plumbing entrepaneurial efforts would pay less taxes under Obama's plan and more taxes with McCain's plan. Plus he's been quoted as saying Obama danced around the issues like Sammy Davis Jr. Can you say, "racist"?


The kicker? Joe the Plumber has a lean on his house because he owes around 12 hundred bucks in back taxes to his state. Joe the Plumber? More like Joe the Skin Head Schmoe.

Posted by: grantmh | October 16, 2008 8:31 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!

Turns out Joe the Plumber isnt even a plumber....hahaha

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

ita all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:30 PM

garygelormino1, liar Obamabot troll, no arsewipe liar, none of the things you stated about Joe the Plumber are true. Why the smear tactic, dimwit? Are you feeling the stress of the fact that the newest Gallup poll due out tomorrow shows that Obama has lost his lead of 14 down to 2? I guess that has your lying panties in a bind, eh?

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 8:29 PM

On the subject of negativity, based on AD counts and dollars spent, Obama has run 10 negative ads to 1 from McCain. But the Main Street Media and the idiot Obamabots want you to believe that it is McCain that is negative.

And the negative ads against Obama are what? They are based on truthful, critical issues of judgement and background, and things that the MSM should have reported years ago.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 8:26 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!

Turns out Joe the Plumber isnt even a plumber....hahaha

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers bosses business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

ita all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:26 PM

Have you noticed that this type of WP column without the "recommend button" does not draw as many of the liberal loons. They cannot love each other as much.

Posted by: 12oreo | October 16, 2008 8:25 PM

Joe the Plumber is the Jeff Gannon of plumbing.

Two bald male prostitutes pretending to be something they are not, honest. They sold their souls for a few bucks. The Devil gets the better end of the deal every time.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 16, 2008 8:25 PM

Did McUptight cost Joe the Plumber his livelihood? No plumbing license and owes back taxes. Who would give him business now!


Posted by: dogsbestfriend | October 16, 2008 8:24 PM

DEMOCRAT BOONDOGGLE BACKFIRES (TOTAL COST $700+ BILLION)
Back in 2004, when the Republicans controlled the House, they tried to have a hearing on the threat that the financial mismanagement of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac presented to the U.S. economy. Here’s the video evidence of the Democrats blocking efforts to hold officials accountable. This problem did not get the publicity it deserved in the liberal media, such as the New York Times and the Washington Post. This incredible Congressional video shows Republicans in Congress trying hard to regulate Fannie Mae and how Democrats fought regulation tooth and nail, even referring to criticism of former chairman Raines as a "lynching".

http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/09/it_wasnt_broke.html

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 8:23 PM

Obama SOCIALIST connections keep growing and growing.

1) Obama was an official member of New Party, self-declared SOCIALIST party in Chicago.
2) DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) listed Obama as one of their official candidates running for Illinois Senate.
3) Ayers, 13 year friend of Obama is a self-declared socialist. Not to mention his known terrorist activities against the USA.
4) Ayers, as it turns out, was the ghost writer of Obama's "Dreams from my Father book." Turns out that the guy that was just a guy from Obama's neighborhood wrote his popular Dreams from my Father book and it just slipped Obama's mind.
5) Obama campaigned for six days, in KENYA for six straight days. He billed his flight, etc to the US taxpayers.
6) The guy Obama campaigned for is his cousin (so says Odinga) Raila Odinga.
7) Odinga is a self-declared SOCIALIST.
8) Odinga's main motto on his posters in Kenya was "Odinga, Agent of Change." This was in 2004. Obama complained about McCain using the word change, pointing out that McCain actually has brought about lots of change.
9) Odinga followers routinely hack people to death with machetes.
10) Odinga officially supports known radical islamic terrorists in Kenya and elsewhere.
11) Odinga and Obama were inseperable during the six days Obama was campaigning for him.
12) Obama was not 8 years old when he was campaigning for this known socialist and terrorist sympathisers.
13) The main islamic group supporting Odinga was the group that broke into the US embassy years ago and killed tens of people there.

Obama's terrorist, radical, socialist friends list continues to grow and grow. But the Main Street Media obviously completely vetted Obama, so they have said.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 8:23 PM

garygelormino1 As I said before. You. Fool.
My response to the Senator Government:

"Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:23 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!

Turns out Joe the Plumber isnt even a plumber....hahaha

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers bosses business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

ita all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:22 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!

Turns out Joe the Plumber isnt even a plumber....hahaha

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers bosses business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

ita all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:21 PM

KMichaels wrote:

So now Obama steals his slogan and is the "Agent of Change" here in the USA. Hey, now that was a brilliant manuever.''

---------------

So are you saying that McCain is even more brilliant because he stole the "change" thing from Obama?

He he he he. Your guy is gonna loose. In a couple of weeks, your guy is gonna be just another dusty old grandpa standing on his front lawn in his boxer shorts, shakin' his fist at the neighborhood kids who let their ball role in his yard. "Hey! I know who your parents are you rugrats!" Maybe Mr. MaGoo will hire Palin as his daycare nurse to change his depends.

Posted by: grantmh | October 16, 2008 8:20 PM

greg3,

How can the Secret Service deny what what captured on film on several occasions?

The threats are real.

If you have any proof to the contrary, let's see it.

Otherwise stop with the juvenile name calling. It only make you out to be the fool and no one else.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 16, 2008 8:20 PM

Rasmussen shows tightening, too. Joe the Plumber is the albatross around Obama's neck. That's the thing about Obama. You can stage manage the hell out of this guy and he still steps in doo-doo. It's kismet.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:19 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!

Turns out Joe the Plumber isnt even a plumber....hahaha

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumbers employers bosses business made only $100,000.00 ...so would benefit under Obama's plan...hahahaha

Seems McSame vetted Joe the plummber as well he vetted Sarah Plain Stupid...hahahahahaha

ita all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:19 PM

Seeing the vilification of first Sarah Palin and now Joe Wurzelbacher only confirms that the Leftists truly hate all things American.

Once Zero-bama loses the election, do us all a favor and leave these United States. We won't miss you for a second.

Democrats for McCain/Palin 2008

COUNTRY FIRST

Posted by: NeverLeft | October 16, 2008 8:17 PM

FAUX NEWS FLASH !!!!

Turns out Joe the Plumber isnt even a plumber....hahaha

Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.....hahahahah

Turns out Joe the plumbers boss isnt selling the business....hahahaha

Turns out joe the plumber made $40,000.00 dollars last year...so would benefit under Obama....hahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber was sued recently in Lucas county Ohio court records....hahahahaha

Turns out Joe the plumber is a nephew of a Keating 5 criminal....hahahahahaha


ita all over the news wires Associated Press...Reuters news...
All the channels...the entire internet...hahahahahahaha

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:16 PM

"The second area of note is style. McCain was aggressive in making his case against Obama, but less positive in pushing his own. Obama projected steadiness and calm. That difference has played to Obama's advantage over the period of the debates and there was nothing that happened Wednesday night to change that."

Yep, that just about all Obama had going for him. He has practiced keeping a calm voice. It's a shame he hasn't practiced as hard to tell the truth. His voice is TOO steady, and obviously forced. Try recording him and then analyzing his voice for microtremors. He would have failed a lie detector test miserably! He intentionally sounds as monotonous as he does to cover changes in emotion, while McCain projects a much more relaxed, honest-sounding voice. Obama MAKES his voice sound steady so as to cover up both lies and fear...something he still can't cover-up completely. Read his body language! If you can do that, his steady voice is NOT to his advantage.

DrainYou: The first 9 of your 10 points are wrong. Obama was intentionally playing to the camera, while McCain simply talked the way he felt. Obama was the one covering up; McCain was very open. He didn't bother to try to cover his emotions up.

I can't believe people can't read the simplest body language..yet they are "blinded" by Obama's voice and appearance. Figure that one out!!

Posted by: flipper49 | October 16, 2008 8:16 PM

Look, McCain needs no comical suggestions from the Obama trolls. He is closing in the polls, nicely. It's gonna be a hoot when, after a billion dollars and 8 years of hysterical feminine shrieking, the Demoroids are denied. Yessssss.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:14 PM

DEMOCRAT BOONDOGGLE BACKFIRES (TOTAL COST $700+ BILLION)
Back in 2004, when the Republicans controlled the House, they tried to have a hearing on the threat that the financial mismanagement of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac presented to the U.S. economy. Here’s the video evidence of the Democrats blocking efforts to hold officials accountable. This problem did not get the publicity it deserved in the liberal media, such as the New York Times and the Washington Post. This incredible Congressional video shows Republicans in Congress trying hard to regulate better Fannie Mae and how the Democrats fought that tooth and nail, even referring to criticism of former chairman Raines as a "lynching".

http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/09/it_wasnt_broke.html

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 8:13 PM

garygelormino1 You are an Obama troll. The Secret Service denies any of these things were shouted . You. Fool.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:12 PM

I suggest the McSame nazi's keep bringing up Ayers (can't discuss the economy when you arent talking about the economy)

I suggest the McSame nazi's keep harping on Osama being a Muslim and Arab...(Can't talk about the economy when you arent talking about the economy)

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:12 PM

What more can McCain do? Maybe ask Sarah Palin if she could recommend a good prayer?

Posted by: ghuntcustom | October 16, 2008 8:11 PM

Oh God, now we have the GOP Loonies swearing the race is "tighening up" because they cherry-pick one Gallup Poll.

Get a life, losers.

And average of all the national polls puts Obama up 8.

And, to make it worse for you morons, because national polls don't mean crap, Obama has pretty well locked down 273 EVs and is leading in races for another 80.

The only thing that is hurting Obama now is a slight case of overconfidence...and, if McCain actually gets within breathing range, Obama will raise another $10 million overnight.

Diva McSurge are out of ideas, out of energy, out of time, and out of money.

Inaugeration Day can't get here soon enough.

Posted by: Jaxxon | October 16, 2008 8:11 PM

DEMOCRAT BOONDOGGLE BACKFIRES (TOTAL COST $700+ BILLION)
Back in 2004, when the Republicans controlled the House, they tried to have a hearing on the threat that the financial mismanagement of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac presented to the U.S. economy. Here’s the video evidence of the Democrats defending the status quo and blocking efforts to hold officials accountable. This problem did not get the publicity it deserved in the liberal media, such as the New York Times and the Washington Post. This incredible Congressional video shows Republicans in Congress trying hard to regulate better Fannie Mae and how the Democrats fought that tooth and nail, even referring to criticism of former chairman Raines as a "lynching".

http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/09/it_wasnt_broke.html

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 8:10 PM

McCain you are disgracing your father, and grandfather. You have no more honor. Please give up and save some of your family legacy.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 16, 2008 8:09 PM

The louder that McSame screams lies....and "kill him"..."hang him"....."terrorist"....the louder the McSame camp tells Americans..."He's...He's...He's and ARAB" ...hahahahaha...the worse McSame polls and the worse chance he has...hahahahahaha

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:07 PM

What can John do? --

John quit.

John, no "quitter," quit.

What made John run made John quit.

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum, benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui Iesus. Sancta Maria mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis ostrae.

Posted by: AppDev | October 16, 2008 8:05 PM

Robocalls

ayers

http://crooksandliars.com

Posted by: r4147824 | October 16, 2008 8:04 PM

I know what McSame can do now!!!

Tell America "The fundamentals of our economy are strong"

Like he did just days ago...hahahahah.....that'll do it....you betcha!

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 8:04 PM

Only 56% of Americans have ANY federal tax liability. So how is Barry the Bozo going to give 95% of Americans a tax break? Or does he mean 95% of the 56% with a tax liability? No he doesn't. He figures now that poor minorities can't refinance the subprime mortgages for their Real Homes of Genius with "cash out" any longer, they need more free money so they can keep up the payments on their Escalades. Give em an "earned income tax credit." Earned income. Think about that phrase for a few seconds and try not to laugh. Now think about what they will spend it on. Recall after Katrina, the Red Cross was handing out $2000 checks for emergency expenses. Most of the money got spent on bling and liquor. That was certainly spreading the wealth around.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 8:02 PM

Everytime I see or hear a commercial from this sorry excuse for a "leader" referring to either Ayers or ACORN, I give $50 to Obama. So far, since dinner, I have tallied $200. I will make one contribution every evening.

I am glad to see that he has decided to continue this silly low-road to oblivion. Not only does it ensure that he will lose, but he will trash his reputation in the process.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

Posted by: Jaxxon | October 16, 2008 8:02 PM

So what can John McCain do??? Just more of the same will be fine....

GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with just a two-point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within poll's margin of error...

The big turn is coming. Sit back, strap your seatbelts . . .

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 8:01 PM

Turns out Joe the Plumber is really Sam the Sham.

Posted by: NomoStew | October 16, 2008 8:01 PM

Listen Obamabot idiots, all you have to do is go to Drudgereport to see the new Gallup numbers due out tomorrow. Wet your pants all you want but the truth is obvious. Go to drudge and read the bad news Obamites, your false messiah is tanking. And once Obama's Kenyan Odinga connections start becoming more well known and they will continue to dip. You need a real savior. Obama is a known socialist for gosh sakes. Man, your hero is not who you think he is.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 8:01 PM

McSame and Sarah Plain Stupid are sitting on a park bench.....A beautiful girl walks by....

McSame says;
"Boy would I like to screw that"!!!

Sarah Plain Stupid says;
"Outta what"???

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 7:58 PM

Dan Balz: What can John McCain do??? Just more of the same, Dan.

GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with just a two-point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within poll's margin of error...

The big turn is coming with the liberal lackeys losing lustre . . .

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 7:58 PM

CNN's new poll, after the debate, shows Obama retains at least an 8 point advantage. A deficit only overcome by one candidate (Reagan) in the last 50 years this late in the game. So, unless you believe McCain is another Reagan, you better figure the game is up, McCain fans.

Posted by: sofla | October 16, 2008 7:58 PM

Well Dan, I think he should continue traveling, trying to convince us all why he should be next with his policies filled with plenty of neglect for the masses outside of mainly business, after these past some years :)

It's our time '08

Posted by: Obama2008 | October 16, 2008 7:58 PM

coqui44: I think you are a dishonest Republican. Clearly you know a lot (perhaps everything) about Obama's "cozy" relationships with Ayers and Rezko. Why haven't you informed your Republican puppet handlers ? They obviously don't know what you know because they keep asking Obama to tell them about it !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 7:57 PM

KMichaels: "Again, newest Gallup poll, do out tommorrow, based on todays numbers shows Obama lead cut from 14 earlier this weak down to TWO points diff ... You can read about it on the Drudgereport. Dont bother reading today's numbers at their site. I am talking about their newest poll. It will come out tomorrow. Drudge ... is not wrong on these kind of reports."

Nice try but Gallup's figure is based on a three-day rolling average so that kind of swing is impossible. You'd need a 36-point swing today to get it. Dream on (and lie on, Republican).

Posted by: kevrobb | October 16, 2008 7:53 PM

There is no mystery as to why commentators say they think McCain did well in the latest debate, while viewers do not. Commenttors make big bucks, folks! (Gosh, imagine that!) I heard Bob Schieffer say on The News Hour tonight that he thought McCain's main point was that Obama would raise taxes and McCain would not. Gee, that's not what anybody making less than 250k/year heard! Obama will lower taxes on all of us "viewers" making less than 250k (95% of American families), while raising taxes on all those commentators making over 250k. And the Republicans still want us to swallow the nonsense that the MSM is liberal! B.S.,my friends! All those MSM talking heads are rich Republicans looking out for "number one".

Posted by: Jihm | October 16, 2008 7:51 PM

KMichaels wrote:

Again, newest Gallup poll, (do) out (tommorrow), based on (todays) numbers shows Obama lead cut from 14 earlier this weak down to TWO points diff. Down 12 points in just a few days. You can read about it on the Drudgereport. (Dont) bother reading today's numbers at their site. I am talking about their newest poll. It will come out tomorrow. Drudge has access to the newest polls and is not wrong on these kind of reports.
----------------------------------------
Did you go to the same school? There are typos but..... slow down a little

Posted by: elbuzz07 | October 16, 2008 7:51 PM

“BE AS VAGUE AS POSSIBLE”

BO said in an interview with Cathleen Falsani (Chicago Sun-Times, 4/2004) that “The nature of politics, you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you. Often that’s by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest common denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith the more potentially dangerous it is”.


That explains the empty suit's hiding his records. They may be 'potentially dangerous', as in finding about his cozy relation with Ayers and Rezko.

Posted by: coqui44 | October 16, 2008 7:51 PM

McSame supporter goes to see a lawyer.....

McSame supporter: "I want to git me a dayvorce"

Lawyer: "Okay...lets see if you have a case"

McSame supporter: "I don"t have me a case...I have a John Deere"

Lawyer; "No, no...you don't understand...I want to determine if you have grounds"

McSame supporter; "Of course I have grounds!!...thats why I have a John Deere"

Lawyer; " No...I mean ....do you have a grudge?"

McSame supporter; "Of course I have a grudge...thats where I keeps my John Deere"

Lawyer; " Okay...let me ask just one question...is she a NAGGER?"

McSame supporter; " No she ain't no NAGGER...but shes gonna vote fur one....and thats why I wants me a dayvorce"

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 7:51 PM

Obama also looks like Thulsa Doom on an estrogen patch.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 7:50 PM

Posted by: Chuck70 | October 16, 2008 7:50 PM

pro36, you are a truly scary human being. I can't recall when I've run across someone so completely ignorant and out of touch with reality. I'm thinking you need to be medicated.

Posted by: oakenrose | October 16, 2008 7:50 PM

Speaking of caricatures, has anyone noticed that Obama looks like that guy in Evard Munch's painting, "The Scream."

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 7:48 PM

KMichaels:Again, newest Gallup poll, do out tommorrow, based on todays numbers shows Obama lead cut from 14 earlier this weak down to TWO points diff. Down 12 points in just a few days. You can read about it on the Drudgereport. Dont bother reading today's numbers at their site. I am talking about their newest poll. It will come out tomorrow. Drudge has access to the newest polls and is not wrong on these kind of reports.
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You sure are asking alot from these WP trolls to leave this site and get info somewhere else.

Posted by: 12oreo | October 16, 2008 7:48 PM

Javalation: Thanks for the info - sounds like Joe might be a good candidate for the Vice Presidency if the Rep's decide to drop the moose lady

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 7:48 PM

Oh you just wait people. You libs didn't believe it when we said that the Clinton years would be a total disaster. And then after Clinton did all of his damage to the nation and the economy you still didn't believe us, so we hired that special prosecutor and spent millions to dig into every aspect of his life and you still didn't believe us and then you found out about the grave damage that he did to the nation by having secret affair with a young woman in the White House and destroyed the national economy and standing in the world so we had to impeach him.
Then you deny that Bush did a great job, especially with the war in Iraq and the economy. Look where we are today, and now you think that Obama is going to do a better job than that! Hah.
Just wait. You saw it last night, the brilliant leadership of John McCain. He is a maverick. He went against his party on campaign reform. He voted against George Bush AT LEAST FIVE PERCENT of the time.
He is a maverick and SO IS SARAH PALIN and Obama is a terrorist who associates with people who want to destroy America AND BESIDES John McCain WON'T RAISE TAXES LIKE OBAMA WILL. WAIT AND SEE because the tide is turning. America will reject Obama the same way they rejected Bill Clinton and his failed economic policies and warmongering policies.
JUST WAIT AMERICA. JUST YOU WAIT.
You're all just TOO STUPID to see the truth.
You have all been BLINDED by the LIBERAL MEDIA.
You will see when JOHN MCCAIN Doesn't RAISE TAXES...
Did I mention that he was a POW?
Bill Clinton wasn't.
Neither was OBAMA.
Obama was an ACORN.
He is NOT A MAVERICK.

Posted by: Tomcat3 | October 16, 2008 7:47 PM

Send Elmer Fudd and Betty Boop packing, we need a government of the people and not another circus act in the White House.

Posted by: egghd1697 | October 16, 2008 7:45 PM

By referring to Joe over a dozen times in the debate, McCain has made him an issue. Joe fabricated his story, and McCain's staff did nothing to check it out, which was a huge error in judgment. They didn't even call Joe to ask him any questions.

Joe works for a two man outfit where neither he nor his boss are licensed to do plumbing work, he personally owes back taxes to Ohio, suggesting that he has little saved, and it's unlikely that he would have a shot at making the quarter of a million a year, even if he were gifted the business. His whole story was bogus, which represents the McCain campaign perfectly.

In reality Joe is a republican relative of one of Keating's VPs, who admitted that he admires McCain in one of the interviews he conducted this morning. He isn't the undecided voter he portrayed himself to be.

Posted by: Javalation | October 16, 2008 7:45 PM

The racists need attention. The hate everyone and they're upset. They're tired of losing. Martin Luther King is dead, but he's still kicking their @sses. Have pity on them.

Posted by: PA_DC | October 16, 2008 7:44 PM

KMichaels: Well, I guess we beat you on the maths/fianance front so you'll go back to banging the old drum about Kenya - do you have any idea where it is by the way ? Next you'll be telling us Obama was responsible for the Rwandan massacres, Stalin's prison camps, Hitlers gas chambers, etc, etc. You need to change the text a little - you may not have noticed (cos you net more than $250,000) that most Americans are concerned by the ECONOMY. You're making the same mistake as your "leader"

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 7:44 PM

Again, newest Gallup poll, do out tommorrow, based on todays numbers shows Obama lead cut from 14 earlier this weak down to TWO points diff. Down 12 points in just a few days. You can read about it on the Drudgereport. Dont bother reading today's numbers at their site. I am talking about their newest poll. It will come out tomorrow. Drudge has access to the newest polls and is not wrong on these kind of reports.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 7:44 PM

Tom


(aka Publci School System)

I see your private school worked out.

Posted by: elbuzz07 | October 16, 2008 7:42 PM

ardee the dumbarse, glad we know how stupid you Obamabot followers are. You are a real moron.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 7:41 PM

It is amazing how desperation can make you age.

Posted by: capricorn1 | October 16, 2008 7:40 PM

"Hey greg3 How much did the GOP pay you for your classic"

ramsistla: I don't really have a dog in this fight. McCain is a quisling on runaway immigration from third world countries where the mean IQ is less than 90. That's why our immigration policy sucks: it brings down average national intelligence. Rushton, Lynn, and Jensen proved it.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 7:40 PM

Obamas great idea of "Agent for Change" was stolen from Raila Odinga, a guy running for pres in Kenya in 2004. Turns out that Raila claims that Obama is his cousin. Obama campaigned for Raila in 2004 and was considered inseperable from Raila for the six days that Obama was there with him. Raila followers were known to hack opponents to death with machetes. Raila was also a known socialist and supported radical islam. Railas followers also killed many people at the US embassy a few years earlier. I guess Obama was just 8 years old when he campaigned for his cousin Odinga in 2004, a known socialist, known terrorist supporter, know radical, and promoted ethnic cleansing and ran on the "Agent Of Change" motto. No kidding, it is on his campaign posters. Agent of Change.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 7:39 PM

Samuel the Plumber's not even a plumber, according to the Toledo Blade, his hometown newspaper.

Does John W McCain really think Americans are that stupid?.

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 16, 2008 7:37 PM

With respect to Joe the Plumber - I'm so glad we now know the real name of Joe Six-Pack. I felt it was such a derogatory name to call someone, Joe the Plumber is so much better
Thanks Sarah and John

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 7:37 PM

Posted by: Javalation | October 16, 2008 7:34 PM

"Tom22 - Did I read that correctly? Did you actually say the US should end "immigration from non-European countries"?

Tom22. I agree.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 7:34 PM

Hey greg3 How much did the GOP pay you for your classic

Posted by: ramsistla | October 16, 2008 7:34 PM

KMichaels: I get it, you clearly don't read what you write. I don't know if you are aware of the average HOUSEHOLD income in the US in 2007 was $50,233.00. If our Joe the Plumber alone is earning $250,000 he's a lot better off than the average American FAMILY. If Joe's wife Hockey Mom Sarah earns $50,000 per year then the Plumber family is doing pretty darn good and he shouldn't hesitate to help out his other American brothers and sisters who are much less privileged. This is called "common decency" - you may not know what that means.

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 7:33 PM

KMichaels,

You are clearly a member of the McStunt team. What should we look forward to on Tuesday? (since the new stunts are unveiled weekly when the previous attempt tanks). Is Obama from another galaxy sent here to destroy the human race? Or is Mechelle Obama really Janet Jackson? Tell us now while we're still awake. You're getting boring. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: PA_DC | October 16, 2008 7:32 PM

"Tom22 - Did I read that correctly? Did you actually say the US should end "immigration from non-European countries"? WOW, unbelievable.

I am very saddened by Americans who are using this election to promote their own racists views - regardless of whose "side" they're on.

Once and for all, I'd like us to unite as AMERICANS, not based on the color of our skins or the ethnic background of our ancestors.

Posted by: ex-vegan"

Whenever someone who doesn't agree with Liberals on Immigration the first thing they do is 1 of 2 things:

1-React with RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION like "I can't belive you would say such a thing!"..."You don't HONESTLY believe that do you?"

OR

2- Call you a RACIST or XENOPHOBE

I think these 2 tactics are taught to Liberals during their time in REDUCATION CAMPS (aka Publci School System) during their youth.

Yes, ex-Vegan I think the U.S. should repeal the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act and restrict immigration from non-European countries. If we don't the U.S. is doomed to becoming a low-wage, high-crime, Balkanized nation. I'm not going to apologize to you for practicing my right to Free Speech (a right that is from Western Culture by the way).

Posted by: Tom22 | October 16, 2008 7:31 PM

Obama is playing from the lead, McCain from behind -- way behind. That simple fact dictated the tactics each used. McCain went on the attack from the first quarter, while Obama played to stay even, growing stronger as the game went on. Then jumped out in front in the final period.

Sorry for abusing the sports metaphors, but Obama sees it as a b-ball game. Most pro games are lost by one team (through mistakes) rather than clearly won by the other.

And McCain made a real howler when he went off on one of his famed snark-fests about women who seek abortions for 'health' reasons.

That should have been all over the Post and Times today, and it wasn't. But it's all over the blogs, believe me.

He did establish his credentials as a pro-life candidate. That's great for the base. I'm sure Sarah Palin laughed long and hard when she heard it. But swing voters, particularly the Hillary moderates, won't.

In that moment, McCain showed us McNasty, full-frontal.

That's the real John, as anybody who worked with him during his first couple congressional terms will attest. Maybe it's just a lousy temper; maybe it's the effect of untreated PTSD. But that's a mean guy.

The only person I'd be less comfortable with as President is Sarah Palin. Oh, wait -- maybe John Hagee.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 16, 2008 7:31 PM

Do you sometimes get the feeling that the billion dollar Obama campaign pays hundreds of people to sit in front of a computer all day posting prObama rants to all the newspaper comment sections. I do.

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 7:31 PM

My natural inclination is to vote for my Senator - a veteran and American hero.

But, after paying close attention, it seems that McCain has nothing to offer the American voter except the same old Republican ideological "one size fits all" rhetoric.


Posted by: gandalfthegrey |


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Nah, you are not a republican. You are an obamabot impersonating a republican.

"...the same old Republican ideological "one size fits all" rhetoric."

Good try, though.

Posted by: coqui44 | October 16, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse
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You are correct. I am a registered INDEPENDENT in Arizona.

I'm one of those guys who will make or break McCain's candidacy.

Well, it's broken.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | October 16, 2008 7:27 PM

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Good for you. As you can see, you can fool others but not me. Only obamabots can be fooled.

Go vote for your messiah, but don't forget:

you've got 90 days to pay your mortgage or you will be evicted, courtesy of the magnanimous messiah.

Posted by: coqui44 | October 16, 2008 7:31 PM

Funny, I'm not sure which debate GOP strategists or the night time news anchors watched ... I don't think it is too far fetched to conclude that McCain could have taken a steamy dump on the desk and these same ideological shills would have found a way to applaud the old man for trouncing on Obama.

These GOP henchmen and so-called newsmen are largely responsible for the mess we are in and they keep spreading the same preposterous lies.

Posted by: burtonpaul | October 16, 2008 7:31 PM

A new Gallup Poll of likely voters has Democrat Barack Obama with a 49 percent to 47 percent lead over Arizona Sen. John McCain.

That puts McCain closer in the presidential race than other polls, which have Obama with leads of between 3 and 14 percentage points, according to Real Clear Politics.

McCain has sought in recent days to sharpen his economic message and questioning Obama’s ties to 1960s radical Bill Ayers. The Gallup poll was conducted among 2,100 likely voters.

Released today.

Posted by: 12oreo | October 16, 2008 7:31 PM

Senator Obama needs to lay low for the remainder of the campaign and then until inauguration day. Things are just too dangerous and judging from the reports coming from the Palin rallies, the Secret Service has become as infected as the rest of the Bush administration.
After the inauguration Obama will control the Secret Service and the FBI. He can find those who are loyal to him and begin to root out the rot and cancer in America. All of the hate groups should be prepared for a president who has the same powers that Bush has designed for himself: The power to tap telephones and read e-mails, the power to execute no-knock searches, the power to arrest and detain "terrorists" without trial and legal representation.
Obama should immediately take steps to "take out" the trash.

Posted by: Tomcat3 | October 16, 2008 7:30 PM

Be careful who you sit next to on the bus, or a member of the McStunt team may accuse you of having "associations".

Posted by: PA_DC | October 16, 2008 7:29 PM

Railla Odinga, running for president of Kenya in 2006, get this, his motto was "Agent for change." Obama flew there repeatedly in 2006 to back him up and campaign for him, apparently at the expense of US tax dollars.

So now Obama steals his slogan and is the "Agent of Change" here in the USA. Hey, now that was a brilliant manuever.

The guy is considered ruthless by many people in Kenya.

Obama, agent for Change, agent for Kenya, agent for Socialism.

McCain was right to ask who is Obama.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 7:28 PM


My natural inclination is to vote for my Senator - a veteran and American hero.

But, after paying close attention, it seems that McCain has nothing to offer the American voter except the same old Republican ideological "one size fits all" rhetoric.


Posted by: gandalfthegrey |


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Nah, you are not a republican. You are an obamabot impersonating a republican.

"...the same old Republican ideological "one size fits all" rhetoric."

Good try, though.

Posted by: coqui44 | October 16, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse
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You are correct. I am a registered INDEPENDENT in Arizona.

I'm one of those guys who will make or break McCain's candidacy.

Well, it's broken.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | October 16, 2008 7:27 PM

What more can McCain do? That's a tough question. Obama has really great ideas, while McCain's aren't so great. So I'd say he needs to get some better ideas for the 21st century - that and maybe smile once in a while.

Posted by: ghuntcustom | October 16, 2008 7:27 PM

McCain derailed during the debate. He was talking about the topic at hand, then seemed to get rattled and re-capped by stating his name, and his first two topics discussed at the beginning of the debate. Clearly he either lost his train of thought, lost track of the topic, or as Obama says, McCain's erratic.

Nevertheless, I want Roger Ailes working day and night to distance the Republican Party from George W Bush.

Posted by: kevten | October 16, 2008 7:25 PM

Well, according to HuffPo, today he launched a spate of robocalls (illegal in Minnesota, one of the states he's targeted) telling everyone that Obama is connected to the terrorist Bill Ayers. I thought Obama cleared that up last night? Why can't he get past this? If Obama had wanted to, he could have ripped "McPain" a new one because of Timmon's connection to Saddam Hussein, Palin's AIP connections, her inability to understand that yes, she WAS found guilty of an ethical violation in Troopergate, etc. To Obama's credit, he flies higher than that.

Posted by: angelbug | October 16, 2008 7:24 PM

What more can he do you ask? What else would the most despicable campaign in history do?

Send out mailers:

"GOP Mailing Depicts Obama Surrounded By Watermelon And Bucket Of Fried Chicken"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/gop-mailing-depicts-obama_n_135328.html

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And why stop there with the despicable behavior:


"The McCain-Palin campaign and the Republican National Committee launched a massive robocall campaign on Thursday designed to alarm voters about Barack Obama's past association with former radical Bill Ayers. The committee may be violating state law in the process.

The call begins: "Hello. I'm calling for John McCain and the RNC," before telling recipients that they "need to know that Barack Obama has worked closely with domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers, whose organization bombed the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon, a judge's home, and killed Americans."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/massive-rnc-robocall-may_n_135348.html

Posted by: lotuscw19 | October 16, 2008 7:23 PM

aredee, I have no idea what you are talking about. I never said any such thing. I said that a company netting 250k will have to pay more taxes and that that amount of net is not all that large.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 7:23 PM

"I sense Senator Obama has a brilliant mind and has the potential to be an excellent President.", perceived by a republican endorsing Obama. I do too.

Senator Obama is very presidential. He is focused, steady, positive and intelligent. Collected and pragmatic, he shows his steadiness and stability which are needed on a leader, especially in very trying times.

Our America has many difficulties now.
To make this turbulent time better is truly a great challenge to whoever the next President be. It will surely need a lot of changes, planning and sacrifices.
Reliable, organized, steadfast and with genuine concern for the people, I believe and trust the OBAMA/BIDEN team will do an excellent job to keep AMERICA great.... especially for the future of my children and grandchildren.

Posted by: canozaro | October 16, 2008 7:22 PM

Notice the difference in temperament between the two men. Obama; cool, calm and collected for the entire debate. McCain, he obviously feels like he is "entitled" to the Presidency. Yes, John, it's too bad. All those men not just in Vietnam, but also in Iraq, they really did die for nothing. You sat is a prison camp for nothing. You cannot even get the Presidency of the USA out of it. Dad would be so disappointed. At least when Obama is ripping you, try to at least seem a bit calmer. Stop the drooling and lip biting. You would then look like at least a less bitter and angry man.

Posted by: sofla | October 16, 2008 7:22 PM

GOP strategists were impressed?

By who?

Obama?

McCain looked like a clown up against a brilliant statesman. That much is obvious, with the rest, I suppose, falling under the category of entertainment.

And Dan, read your own posts, why did you go all sympathetic on McCain recently, have you caught the no dignity fever?

Posted by: robertell | October 16, 2008 7:21 PM

McSame supporter goes to see a lawyer.....

McSame supporter: "I want to git me a dayvorce"

Lawyer: "Okay...lets see if you have a case"

McSame supporter: "I don"t have me a case...I have a John Deere"

Lawyer; "No, no...you don't understand...I want to determine if you have grounds"

McSame supporter; "Of course I have grounds!!...thats why I have a John Deere"

Lawyer; " No...I mean ....do you have a grudge?"

McSame supporter; "Of course I have a grudge...thats where I keeps my John Deere"

Lawyer; " Okay...let me ask just one question...is she a NAGGER?"

McSame supporter; " No she ain't no NAGGER...but shes gonna vote fur one....and thats why I wants me a dayvorce"

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 16, 2008 7:21 PM

thelastmoderate: The answer may lie in "Georgia" (the Eastern block version). If you can explain the recent Russian-Georgian fiasco that might enhance your fears of deliberate provocation.

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 7:20 PM

Posted by: Chuck70 | October 16, 2008 7:19 PM

Posted by: Chuck70 | October 16, 2008 7:18 PM

Obama's message to McCain: "It's the economy, stupid!"
Election over.

Posted by: sofla | October 16, 2008 7:17 PM

coqui44: I guess that makes you a Republican robot trying to imitate a human with a brain.

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 7:17 PM

The only thing that would swing voters toward McCain at this point is another terrorist attack on American soil before the election. I hope the RNC isn't desperate to engineer one but after the Iraq fiasco, I just don't know.

Posted by: thelastmoderate | October 16, 2008 7:16 PM

Pro36 said:
"Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?"

With the state of things now, I guess we do!

Muslim Communist...so silly.

Posted by: styna | October 16, 2008 7:15 PM

My natural inclination is to vote for my Senator - a veteran and American hero.

But, after paying close attention, it seems that McCain has nothing to offer the American voter except the same old Republican ideological "one size fits all" rhetoric.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey |


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Nah, you are not a republican. You are an obamabot impersonating a republican.

"...the same old Republican ideological "one size fits all" rhetoric."

Good try, though.

Posted by: coqui44 | October 16, 2008 7:14 PM

My natural inclination is to vote for my Senator - a veteran and American hero.

But, after paying close attention, it seems that McCain has nothing to offer the American voter except the same old Republican ideological "one size fits all" rhetoric.

Nothing ever changes for McCain.

When things were going well during the Clinton years - McCain and the Republicans said, "Cut taxes for business and industry and that will increase investment and grow more jobs, cut the tax rate on capital gains, support school vouchers, end the death tax, etc."

When things were going less well during the early Bush years, the Republicans and John McCain said, "Cut taxes for business and industry and that will increase investment and grow more jobs, cut the tax rate on capital gains, support school vouchers, end the death tax and fight the terrorists, etc."

When things started to really bad in Iraq, after Katrina and now in the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression, McCain and the Republicans say, "Cut taxes for business and industry and that will increase investment and grow more jobs, cut the tax rate on capital gains, support school vouchers, spend more troops and treasure in Iraq, etc."

Last night in the final Presidential debate of 2008 McCain described the current situation with our economy, foreign affairs, national security, energy policy, healthcare, and the environment by sying that he knew how to bring about change.

How, asked the moderator?

Why, it's simple, said McCain. "We have to bring about CHANGE and I KNOW HOW TO DO IT !!"

Under my leadership, said McCain, we will just "cut taxes for business and industry and that will increase investment and grow more jobs, cut the tax rate on capital gains, support school vouchers, and bailout Joe the Plumber."

Well, Mr. McCain -- that is NOT change.

That is rigid "one size fits all situations" dead-end philsophy - not policy.

What might have been an interesting set of policies in one distant era -- will not work when everything else in the nation has changed.

The application of a semi-religious chant about small government and lower taxes - despite enormous and radical shifts in socio-economic conditions - IS NOT CHANGE.

The truth is that you have NO NEW IDEAS -

and, as a consequence, this old retired veteran will vote for the guy you call --"That One."

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | October 16, 2008 7:09 PM

AYERS, REZKO, ACORN, THESE ARE SOME OF MY FAVORITE FRIENDS...SAID HUSSEIN.

EMPTY SUIT WENT SPEECHLESS LAST NIGHT.

HE GOT A BEATING FROM THE OLD GUY.

A LOT OF NOTHINGNESS, GENERALITIES, THAT'S ALL THE MESSIAH GAVE TO THE ECSTATIC OBAMABOTS.

DON'T FORGET: YOU'VE 90 DAYS TO PAY YOUR MORTGAGE, OR THE MESSIAH WILL KICK YOU OUT OF YOUR HOUSE.


REZKO ANYONE??

REZKO REZKO

HUSSEIN HUSSEIN

MESSIAH MESSIAH

NO DONATIONS TO THE POOR FROM THE MESSIAH

PALESTINIAN DONATIONS ANYONE??

90 DAYS TO PAY MORTGAGE OR YOU'RE OUT, COURTESY OF THE MESSIAH.

BIRTH CERTIFICATE, ANYONE??

POOR GRANDMA LIVING WITH THE CHICKENS IN AFRICA, ANYONE?

NO RECORDS OF ANYTHING FROM THE EMPTY SUIT, ANYONE?

Posted by: coqui44 | October 16, 2008 7:06 PM

response to: (KMichaels | October 16, 2008 6:52 PM)

Btw, I'd like to point out that the electoral college is all that matters anyway. You can win the popular vote and lose the election via electoral college. The converse is also true. In terms of the electoral college, McCain has an uphill battle. First, he must hold all of Duhbya's states AND win virtually every battleground state. The bad news is that even the reddest of states are only learning Repub. Sure, it's technically possible for McCain to win all the battleground states. But at this juncture, it's more likely for George W. Bush to become a Mensa candidate.

Posted by: con_crusher | October 16, 2008 7:03 PM

KMichaels: You either have a VERY low IQ or you're taking too much medication - I hope its the latter since you can do something about that. If its the former then you're excused for the nonsense you write.

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 7:02 PM

The logic of this contest is that George W. Bush, a REPUBLICAN, made a mess of things. Continuation of his mistakes is more likely were a REPUBLICAN to succeed him. Therefore, to change course, vote DEMOCRATIC. McCain has flogged the Ayers horse to death. No sale. McCain claims Obama is going raise YOUR taxes. Well, the president doesn't raise taxes. Congress does that. If lower taxes are desired, for everyone this time, lower government spending is a must. And that requires bold and brave action by people who very much like their jobs in the legislature. Cutting government programs is like separating a calf from its mother's teat. The calf won't like it.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | October 16, 2008 7:01 PM

Hey ardee, I can see that you are trying hard to hold back the tears and to stop wetting yourself but I am just reporting the facts, darling.

From Drudge: "GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with a two-point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within poll's margin of error... Developing..."

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 7:01 PM

It still wasn't clear what McCain wants for America, other than more tax cuts for wealthy people. That's why he lost the debate in the opinion of swing voters. On Obama's side, I don't think you need to worry about overconfidence. His campaign is highly disciplined and highly motivated. Eight years of Bush/McCain will do that to you.

Posted by: jchaney | October 16, 2008 7:00 PM

mccain's appealing to the jerry springer republicans.
barack's been winning the tax argument pretty clearly, he's looking to help the middle class and stop the giveaways to the wealthy. i was thinking mccain would save his arguments til the end, try to make arguments for the first time in the last debate, take away barack's chance to counter. not a very good strategy when many have made up their minds, though he made his arguments and feigned victory/looked triumphant, --some strategy-- i didn't know the american dream was help joe the plumber get rich while preventing 95% of americans from getting much of anything, and giving huge tax breaks to the wealthy. it appeared manipulative --- he'd been losing the debate on taxes generally, why not sell them something else, a pipe dream, the middle class isn't going to rise to the 250k income level in our generation, or the next, or the next, the vast majority lose with his plan.

Posted by: e9999999 | October 16, 2008 7:00 PM

I don't know what KMichaels is smokin', but you should try something else. Bill Ayers did NOT ghost-write anything for Obama and the Gallup poll today shows Obama up by 6 points, not down by 14. No wonder this country is such a mess, with yahoos who make up lies and can't even read a simple daily poll.

Posted by: windrider2 | October 16, 2008 6:59 PM

KMichaels: You're using fuzzy logic. So your idea is that a small business man grossing $2.5 million who nets $20,000 per year is going to pay more tax on his $20,000 than someone who works for a company and earns $20,000 a year - get a life, nobody can be that stupid.

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 6:59 PM

response to: (KMichaels | October 16, 2008 6:52 PM)

Nice try, a$$-clown. Try 49%-43%, Obama. You sound a little bit funny when you spew fake numbers that the RNC is paying you to spew. And to humor your pathetic worm of a self, here's the link:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111211/Gallup-Daily-Obama-49-McCain-43.aspx

It's understandable there, given your pathetic existence, that you'd fudget the numbers. Next time, you should try to be a little more discrete.

Posted by: con_crusher | October 16, 2008 6:58 PM

For ardee, the not so bright Obamite.

Todd Palin is part native alaska. Like many natives in the USA, including Hawaiian natives, they are prone to distrust the federal government.

Hawaiian natives have tried for years to have a seperate goverment branch ran just by native Hawaiians. A plan that Obama has in the past supported. May have something to to with Obama thinking everyone is both entitled and or picked on.

If you really think that native alaskans wanting less federal government compares to Obama being 13 year friends with Ayers, a known terrrorist they you really are as stupid as you sound.

And with the new news coming out that it was actually Bill Ayers that ghost-wrote Obama's book "Dreams from my Father." then we are just beginning to understand how deep that friendship runs.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 6:57 PM

KMichaels-
Your republican masters did not teach you to lie well...you should not practice here.

Posted by: kase | October 16, 2008 6:56 PM

KMichaels: Go to www.electoral-vote.com/ it might help you get a better picture of reality.

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 6:55 PM

The reason the public disagrees with the pundits is that the pundits are wrong. McCain looked weak all night. His powder was wet when he shot off his William Ayers volley -- he had to be goaded by Obama into even mentioning the name -- and by parrying this issue Obama was able to effectively put it to rest for good.

The pundits, hoping desperately for a "you're no JFK" moment, all focused on McCain's zinger about how Obama should have run against Bush four years ago. But they ignored two facts: first, Obama responded quite effectively to this zinger by sying McCain could easily be mistaken for Bush, and secondly, every time George W. Bush's name is brought up, McCain loses. Obama succeeded in defusing the Ayers issue for good, but who thinks John McCain had any success whatsoever in distancing himself from Bush?

Finally, McCain's bizarre mannerisms were not quite as obvious when he was sitting down, but his entire appearance was marked with strange grimaces, twitches, and bursts of writing on his notepad like a fifth grader. And his endless references to Joe the Plumber crossed the line into banal stupidity. "Joe, you're a wealthy man." Huh? And it's a bad thing that Obama wants Americans to "share the wealth?"

The insiders watching this debate were desperately hoping for a game-changer so that they would have a horse race to cover for the next three weeks. But it just ain't gonna happen. In all three of these debates, Barack Obama came off as a levelheaded, calm decision-maker while McCain was the eccentric grandpa with his hearing aid turned down. And Sarah Palin bas become such a lead weight that Obama didn't even have to stoop to say anything bad about her.

Looks like McCain's goose is cooked, and Caribou Barbie is going to be slinking back to Wasilla with her tail between her legs...

Posted by: jerkhoff | October 16, 2008 6:53 PM

As a veteran of two Inaugurations in DC, I am so very excited about my upcoming visit in January!
If only to hear Senator Obama take the oath..."I Barack Hussain Obama, do solemnly swear..."
My heart will swell with pride while republicans all over the nation will be packing their belongings or contemplating suicide...
(either is fine with me!)

OBAMA/BIDEN '08 AND '12

Posted by: kase | October 16, 2008 6:53 PM

Obamites continue to mistate the facts about Joe the Plumber. But FIRST just a reminder Gallup poll shows today that Obama LOST 12 points and has cut his lead from 14 down to 2.

Now, more bad news for Obama. Joe the Plumber was not talking about personal income. He was talking about 250k income for a small business. After taxes, you pay bonuses and profit sharing then reinvest the rest back into the company. MILLIONS of companies that hire even more MILLIONS of employees are at this level of income as a company.

Joe Biden, total retard, says that Joe the Plumber should be happy with that much income. Again, Joe The Retard Biden, the plumber is talking about business income, not personal. Did the botox stretch your ears so much that you can no longer hear straight?

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 6:52 PM

Cantabrigian: How many "agents of change" did McCain and Palin send to Alaska to try to patch up the cracks and hide the evidence ?
And while we're at it, how about Mrs Palin explaining her "association" with an AIP sympathizer to us ? People with an "Ayers" in their own back garden shouldn't cast doubts about others !

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 6:51 PM

response to: (KMichaels | October 16, 2008 6:46 PM)

Are you smokin' the good stuff, or is RNC Troll the best job you could get? It seems that FOX has allowed Obama to buy a political ad, which could delay the start of a world series game. Translation: Even FOX has conceded the election. It must $uck being a Republican right now.

Posted by: con_crusher | October 16, 2008 6:51 PM

mckane STILL harping about ayers and ACORN?????????Is he a retard?????????

love it that joe is not even named joe, is not a plumber, is not making 250,000 is not buying a business, and is a mckanre shill whose fat mouth got him in the middle of a campaign that never does it's homework. Sam the unliscenced plumber is another palin. Seemed like a good idea -- except johnny never bothered to check the facts....

Posted by: John1263 | October 16, 2008 6:48 PM

Chris Buckley, weak conservative blowhard riding off the tails of his daddy claims that Obama is a smart guy. He said that just reading his book "Dreams from my Father" illustrates how smart Obama is. Only thing is, in reviewing Obama past writings it turns out that the guy can barely write without looking like an amateur writer at best. It turns out that the Obama book "Dreams from my Father" was actually ghost-written by none other than past terrorist Bill Ayers.

Bad news seems to finally be piling up on Obama.

Gallup shows Obama losing 12 points, down from 14 to 2 in just a few days. YIKES, that has got to hurt.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 6:46 PM

To Joe the plumber;
Joe, if I were earning $250,000 disposable income (Which means I would be getting at least $400,000 net income if I hired a good accountant), I would gladly contribute my share in this time of financial hardship. My problem is that under this government and under McCain, its more likely that my tax goes to the special interest groups, (CEO's of financial institutions) who partly caused this mess in the first place. Notice Mccin's proposal to buy back the mortgage at face value (before the value was depressed) rather than the market value.

I have no problem if the money goes to improving the care of the disabled veteran's or our armed force, rather than paying Haliburton for bogus services to our force in Iraq. refer McCain's voting history with regards to support for the war veterans: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-humes30-2008may30,0,4850795.story

Thanks to Bush's obsession with Iraq, more for the benefit of potential oil for the oil companies rather than the non existing WMD or Sadam's connection (disproved), we are now in a very weak position to prevent the nuclearisation of Iran.

And now McCain choose Palin, who is more gullible and quicker to pull the trigger than Bush, and he said his policy will be different to Bush when he gets to the office.

Posted by: nagamas1 | October 16, 2008 6:45 PM

The Republicans have become a godless, ruthless, racist, unethical party of hacks with McCain and Palin at the helm.

Naval Academy Grads have a strict honor code that McCain has thrown out the window.

I fear for our country.

USMC

Posted by: SueMVetforObama | October 16, 2008 6:44 PM

At one point Mccain said he got his scars from voting against his own party! If that was the case, iam sure Obama has a heck of scars to prove too! Mccain doesnt know what he stands for anymore.

Posted by: bakarani | October 16, 2008 6:44 PM

McCain could still dump Palin and get a knowledgable VP candidate instead. Hanging on to her undermines his credibility.

Obama does not suffer from overconfidence, but he can count to 270, and that is the number of electors he needs and apparently now has. For McCain to catch up with him would take 100 electors, since he has only 170. additional electors.

You do the math !

Posted by: dunnhaupt | October 16, 2008 6:43 PM

IS Axlerod Obama's CHENEY!

In a normal election year, Obama's link to Wright's "black values system" would disqualify him from the presidency in the eyes of most Americans.

1. Obama told a crowd in Elko, Nevada,"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and neighbors. I want you to argue with them and get in their face." IS THIS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? DIRTY POLITICS!

2. When Stanley Kurtz began researching Obama's ties with terrorist William Ayers, the papers in the Richard J. Daley Library in Chicago were at first closed off to him for several days, apparently at the bequest of Nobama supporters. When Kurtz was appearing as a guest of Milt Rosenberg's radio show, Obama's supporters were ALERTED by campaign email and jammed the radio station (WGN) phone lines and sent in hundreds of protest emails.IS THIS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? What happened to free speech? DIRTY POLITICS!

3. Last month, St.Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce warned citizens that they would bring libel prosecution against anyone who made "false" statements against Obama. What happened to free speech? DIRTY POLITICS!


4. Similarly, the Obama camp called for a criminal probe of the American Issues Project when it linked Obama to Ayers. DIRTY POLITICS!

5. Saturday Night Live ran a spoof of the fininacial crisis that skewered Democratics like House Chairman Barney Frank. The tape disappeared from NBC's Web site and was replaced with another that omitted the reference to Frank.

6. Obama sent 31 of his hired employees to Alaska to ASSIST in the Troopergate investigation? WHAT WAS HE THINKING? Just more dirty politics to try and dig up dirt on Sarah Pallin? DIRTY POLITICS!

IS AMERICA NO LONGER THE LAND OF THE FREE?

THE LACK OF INTEREST IN KNOWING JUST WHO NOBAMA IS IS STUNNING!

Posted by: Cantabrigian | October 16, 2008 6:42 PM

Obama goes down in the polls (GALLUP poll that is) 12 points in one week. Went from being up 14 this week down to being up 2 by the end of the week.

Now, that may cause some Obamabots to wet their pants.

As has been said before, the polls, well, they go up and down.

More news coming forth for Obama that may also make you wonder if your messiah may not be the all powerful god that you claimed him to be.

Stay tuned ...

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 6:40 PM

Atlanta is burning and John McCain is a Carpetbagger.

Posted by: msreginacomcastnet | October 16, 2008 6:38 PM

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE....

John McCain's ads are LIES. Here's the video proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 16, 2008 6:33 PM

McCain could just go home to Arizona and wait for the next session of Congress to convene. He would need to send a nice little note to Governor Palin for her efforts and recommend she try to salvage her political career in Alaska.

Posted by: mickle1 | October 16, 2008 6:32 PM

Heaven forbid that I should venture to offer advice to the maverick.

However, may I suggest that the straight talk express needs to find its integrity. I grew up to learn that telling the truth is a virtue. McCain and Palin have been lying to the American public. Their character charges against Obama are not truth but smears and slander.

McCain can set a tone of bipartisanship, which means that he cannot always appeal to his extremely partisan base. Obama took the challange and dared to buck the ultra-liberal part of the Democratic Party. His message is moderate and mainstream.

Obama is also a gentleman, an intellectual, and a visionary. He is genuinely concerned about all kinds of people. He readily admits that his focus is not on the well-heeled because they really do not need additional government help. However, look who is getting the lion's share of government assistance? The super-wealthy. The bankers already make big bucks on the interest of the national debt and then expect the government to bail them out.

I have another question. I have noticed the obvious absence of skilled debate coaches and debate judges being involved with the discussion on who won the debates. Do we hate academia so much that we do not use its expertise to help to analyze the outcome of debates? Personally, I am tired of people putting down the educated among us.

Posted by: EarlC | October 16, 2008 6:31 PM

What more can he do?? Just check out his new phone call strategy. One day after accusing Obama in the debate of running a negative campaign, McCain/Palin and the RNC are running Robocalls in battleground states trying again to tie Obama to Ayers in the most disgusting and deceitful fashion. I think from now to election day, the swift boat army will be out in force. Hopefully, this time the American people and see through the distraction.

Posted by: caustin1 | October 16, 2008 6:31 PM

Even Joe the Plumber Can't Save McCain From 'the John.'

Senator Barack Obama delivered a preternaturally calm perform while explaining why he ought to be the next president of the United States. Senator McCain tried to change the inevitable, but all night it looked as though he was boxing at shadows. In short, the night's overall picture was of that an outsized fighter bobbing and weaving around the taller heavyweight champ.

CrabbyGolightly.com

Posted by: crabbygolightly | October 16, 2008 6:23 PM

Did McCain say that, at the third debate, he was going to lick, or whip "you know whose what" ??

*LOL* .. This photo is funnnnny !!

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http://images.theage.com.au/2008/10/16/236440/svMCCAIN-420x0.jpg

Slip of the tongue: John McCain reacts after almost leaving the stage
the wrong way following his debate with Barack Obama. Photo: Reuters

McCain goes for jugular, but misses
Anne Davies, Long Island, New York
October 17, 2008

http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-election-2008/mccain-goes-for-jugular-but-misses-20081016-52c9.html

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 16, 2008 6:18 PM

What More Can He Do?

He might want to assign someone to check on Joe the Plumber - Joe is making McCain look like a fool.

McCain is still talking about someone raising Joe's taxes, when Joe has not paid all of his taxes. LOL

Posted by: MyVoteDoesNotCountInAlabama | October 16, 2008 6:18 PM

Who is Joe the Plumber?

His name is Joe Wurzelbacher and he is a plumber from Ohio. Joe the Plumber became a symbol of the economic troubles crippling the United States. Joe encountered Senator Obama while he was campaigning in Toledo, Ohio earlier this week. Joe wants to buy the company he works for, but purchasing it would make him a target of the Democrat's plan to tax the "wealthy." Joe told Senator Obama about his frustrations with Obama's plans to raise taxes on the "wealthy" and the Illinois senator replied that it was important to "spread the wealth around." That means that he wants to take Joe's, and countless other small business owners', hard earned money. Senator Obama wants to raise their taxes so he can pay for his government mandated healthcare system and other big government programs. He wants to punish small business owners who are successful and about to climb the next step on the economic ladder by spreading their "wealth."

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 6:14 PM

Maybe someone who is more politically astute can enlighten me. What is it about the Republican party, particularly the rabid "pit bull" wing of it, that attracts the illiterate, and thus presumably less educated, sections of society who parrot lies and slogans that defy belief and show very little understanding of either economic or political reality?

For example there's a post above that refers to "Hussein" instead of Obama, am I now supposed to shiver in fear and think Obama is a terrorist or brutal dictator?

There are numerous comments equating Obama's policies with Marxism or Communism, which they most definitely are not. Do they really expect me to believe that twaddle?

There are numerous posts attacking Obama's health care plan. Do they really believe that their health care premiums are better entrusted and employed by such as the executives of AIG to spend on outrageous salaries, expenses and golden parachutes?

There are scads of posts talking about how McCain and the Republicans support the "American Dream" without realizing that their dreams have been stolen by the Republicans, sold to their uber-rich friends on Wall Street who then pissed them down the toilet. If there is any working or middle-class American left who truly believes that Republican "trickle down" economics will work for them rather than the heads of places like Lehman and AIG, who have redefined the word greed, then please refer above to what happened to their dreams on Wall Street. The only trickle down you're going to get is what can trickle down their leg when they're finished dumping your "Dream".

Personally I doubt that many of the posts above are from real people, but are from campaign workers trying to skew the comment reaction to influence opinion, but unfortunately I also think there are some from real people who do believe the tripe. What offends me is the gall that they think I am silly enough to believe it also.

Posted by: blogfredblog | October 16, 2008 6:14 PM

There's only one person who's really talking about what's wrong- Lou Dobbs. That's why I'm writing him in for president.

Both parties are corrupt and both don't deserve our vote.
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Posted by: politicalchampionshipwrestling | October 16, 2008 6:13 PM

lucyjamejacob:
McCain has been at war with something/someone all his life. First the shadow of his father, then the naval academy, then Vietnam and then with the Republican party. This tells you something about what drives McCain and it isn't pretty. America needs a peacemaker not an aging warrior still fighting battles he failed to win in his youth. This doesn't detract from his service to the country but it does raise serious questions about his motivation - is it "country first" or really "McCain first"

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 6:12 PM

It's not "negative" if it's true. ACORN, Ayers, and other aspects of Obama's political past need to be brought to light. Obama has powerful spinners working for him. It's too risky to choose someone we know so little about. Do you really trust Obama to protect our country from Islamic terrorists? Our country has not been attacked since September 11, 2001. McCain is not Bush. (Remember, Bush has not acted alone. He has had a Democratic congress behind him.) McCain is committed to righting the wrongs of greed that have been displayed by people in both parties. We are not voting for who looks cooler in his suit. We are voting for the president of the United States! My hope is that those who can still hear the truth will vote responsibly.

Posted by: jiaenglish | October 16, 2008 6:11 PM

I cannot stop laughing at this photo from last night: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mccain-scrapping-to-change-course-of-election-962975.html?action=Popup&ino=1

Make it your desktop background!

Posted by: McBain1 | October 16, 2008 6:11 PM


JOE THE PLUMBER IS JUST A FRAUD AND A GIMMICK, JUST LIKE PALIN!!!!


Posted by: misssymoto | October 16, 2008 6:07 PM

Americans are fully aware of the contrast between these two men. John Mc Cain has served and sacrificed for our country his entire life. Some of us still appreciate honor in this country. We are well aware of his record regarding defense, economic, environmental issues. Personally, I have watched his career for the past 10 years. This is what is so incredibly exasperating; that so many are aware of Senator Mc Cain’s REAL qualifications, but choose to ignore them because they don’t want to face up to reality and CHANGE how Washington operates; this is called corruption. Many would rather live in an illusion. Obama's career (short as it is) shows he has stood with, supported, and defended people who hate America; and more than a few. He has endeavored to extract wealth from hard working people and profited from the poor through corrupt institutions such as F. Mae and F. Mac. I have never been so deeply offended and outraged that a man with his background can be propped up, packaged and sold to the American public the way the liberal media has done. Mc Cain is a dignified, verified, qualified leader and I believe the average American will, in the end, show their wise discernment and cast their vote for John Mc Cain.

Posted by: lucyjamejacob | October 16, 2008 6:07 PM

Obama has run an amazingly disciplined and focused campaign from day one and there is absolutely no reason to believe that he will change a thing between now and Election Day.

Posted by: gthstonesman | October 16, 2008 6:06 PM

Recently I had a minor medical exam for which I subsequently learned the Doctor's fee alone was $1300 - it took about 20 minutes. Let's be generous and say that's approximately $2600 per hour. The same doctor leaves his child in a daycare where the assistant is paid $8 per hour. The doctor trusts his child's life to the assistant. Could someone tell me what justifies anybody, doctor or otherwise, being paid 325 times per hour what the daycare assistant is paid ? Do I think that the doctor could pay more taxes and still not suffer a lifestyle loss - yes I do. Do I think that it would be patriotic to spread the weath around - yes I do. And for the "righties" no that isn't communism and it isn't socialism its simply recognizing that we're all in this together and some people need help which others can easily afford to give.

Posted by: aredee | October 16, 2008 6:06 PM

LOL!! Hillarious!!!

Turns out, Good ole' JOE THE PLUMBER didnt get vetted so well before the McCain campaign asked him to attend the debate....shocking I know!

1. He isn't even a plumber!!No liscense, just works for some guy that has one...

2. He isnt registered to vote, (this has been confirmed)!

3. He owes unopaid back taxes

4. He openly criticized social security as being forced upon him.

5. His neighbors are shreiking from the rooftops that he lives in a house worth about 40K, and would never make anywhere NEAR 250,000 even if he could afford the company!!

And yet, he had the nerve to make a big hoop de doo over the fact that "Obama would tax his business returns"!!

GOD, WHAT A FREAKING JOKE!!

If this doesnt show you how completely desperate the McCain campaign is, nothing will!

Posted by: misssymoto | October 16, 2008 6:05 PM

It's interesting to read the comments posted by the McCain supporters in this forum. Just like McCain, they are really getting desperate. No substance, just insults and innuendo. I feel sorry for them. Oh wait! No I don't. Loosers.

Posted by: Lefty_ | October 16, 2008 6:05 PM

EXCERPT FROM tbastian's comments

I am sorry I don't believe in a Marxist philosophy. I believe in small Govt, less spending and being fiscally conservative both in my personal life and in Govt.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 5:06 PM

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Then vote Libertarian. The GOP abandoned any pretense of your philosophy long ago, at least as far back as Reagan.

Posted by: pcpatterson | October 16, 2008 6:04 PM

Are Republican strategists really kidding themselves that McCain can win at this point?f The Beltway echo chamber must be an isolating environment indeed.

Posted by: PutDownTheKoolaid | October 16, 2008 6:02 PM

But is Joe related to Charles Keating's son in law?

The right wing seems to think so.

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/

Posted by: mtobias1 | October 16, 2008 6:02 PM

What more does John McCain have to Do???

Put on his big boy pants, take his toys, GO HOME and let the adults in the room lead!!

Posted by: misssymoto | October 16, 2008 5:58 PM

What more can McCain do?
Heres yet another microcosm of his political culture...


Arizona-near last in the union for health care...
near dead last in education...
a right to work state- which means you are underpaid
for your work and your skills while your health care is awful and expensive!

Sounds familar?

In twenty six years of service what does Mccain have to show?

No legislature for the science and or implementation of sustainable energy/solar despite AZ. being number one for the amount of sunshine available!
What’s Mccain biggest feat- he provided the Indian nations/reservations with gambling- whiskey too!

Mccain-he never met a war he didn’t vote for!

Ugly- darn right its ugly!
No more Colloquial prop ups! The nation needs intelligent wise unassuming leaders. If eight years haven’t taught us this we are doomed!


Posted by: rubenlruiz | October 16, 2008 5:56 PM

To Joe the Plumber

…… I lost my job in the steel industry of over 30 years - 4 years ago…

Now I work part-time jobs to get by. I lost my health insurance and life insurance.

I am sorry if you think paying more taxes on income after growing your business over $250,000 dollars is wrong.

I would love to have a business making over $250,000 a year.

I would gladly pay more taxes if I have over $250,000 in income a year…

95% of America will NEVER make $250,000 a year!!!

Most Americans work paycheck to paycheck…

8 years ago Dick Cheney came to my company and said “steel was the backbone of America and we will enforce import laws to keep your company safe.” WHEN CHENEY LEFT TOWN, SO DID ALL THE PROMISES!!!

McCain voted 95% of the time in Congress on Bushes policies…

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, I WILL VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC TICKET!!! YES I'M MAD...

The "MIDDLE CLASS" has become the "WORKING POOR" under the Republicans!!! "OBAMA IN 08."

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 16, 2008 5:54 PM

To tbastian:

For 28 of the past 40 years, the Republicans were in the White House.

For 20 of the past 28 years, the Republicans were in the White House.

Why the Republicans have not yet downsized the govenrment to a small one and also exercised less spending??

What is the current debt and deficit based on the past 8 years of Republican Administration??

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EXCERPT FROM tbastian's comments

I am sorry I don't believe in a Marxist philosophy. I believe in small Govt, less spending and being fiscally conservative both in my personal life and in Govt.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 5:06 PM

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 16, 2008 5:52 PM

The only people voting for McCain are those top 5% of all wage earners... And even some of them are voting Obama.

Add to the wealthiest Americans the racists, the uneducated/uninterested-in-facts wing of the republican party, the fearful wing of the republican party, and the religio-facist-apocolypse-fringe vote within the republican party.

In order to defeat these small minded people who WILL VOTE Palin/McCain in high numbers, we need to turn out and VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN IN MASSIVE NUMBERS.

You just know EVERY wingnut is going to go vote and bring their wingnut friends with them to vote Palin into the whitehouse... You know this, right?


GET OUT THE VOTE FOR OBAMA/BIDEN!

Posted by: onestring | October 16, 2008 5:45 PM

John McCain has no honor, he doesn’t care for the 95 % of the citizens of this country and he certainly has no regard for Veterans!

Just look at his voting record: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-humes30-2008may30,0,4850795.story

From 2004 to 2006, the Disabled Veterans of America gave him annual scores ranging from 50% to the most recent 20% when it comes to supporting the group's legislative priorities. The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave him a grade of "D" in its most recent analysis of voting records. The American Legion says he is dead wrong on the GI Bill, as does the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

When Obama (who has averaged an 86% rating from the Disabled Veterans of America) criticized McCain on the GI Bill, the Arizona senator angrily suggested that Obama's status as a non-veteran rendered his opinions on military matters worthless (an odd stance, as this standard would also discount the opinions of 85% of American men, 98.8% of American women and two-thirds of Congress). Then he invited a look at his own record by asserting, "I take a back seat to no one in my affection, respect and devotion to veterans."

So let's take McCain up on his invitation. Here is how he has stood on recent legislation supported by major veterans organizations:

* On Webb's GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.

* Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.

* On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 -- to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes -- he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.

* In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.

* In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.

* In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.

So here is where the McCain image and reality part company. It is certainly true that his affectionate and respectful rhetoric for America's servicemen and women takes a back seat to no one. But when it comes to improving the health and education of our veterans, McCain's record leaves them stranded by the side of the road.


Posted by: seakayaker | October 16, 2008 5:42 PM

What more can John McCain do?

He can do Sarah Palin.

In public.

After giving the news media 24 hours notice to set up the coverage.

Posted by: angelos_peter | October 16, 2008 5:34 PM


it's what gawd would want


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Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 16, 2008 5:39 PM

What more can he do?
The same as Marie Antoinette did.
Commend his soul to the Good Lord while his and the GOP's heads are chopped off.

Extinct, the whole bunch of them.

Posted by: wardropper | October 16, 2008 5:39 PM

Dear tbastian,

So, you "don't think that this race has anything to do with skin color" because Obama is "as much white as he is black"?

This election should NOT be about race, but it has become about race, whether you will admit it or not.

When the time comes to cast their votes, there will be many Americans who will vote for their candidate of choice, not because of the content of his character, but because of the color of his skin.

Posted by: ex-vegan | October 16, 2008 5:39 PM

Labor Day is almost upon us, and like some of my fellow graybeards, I can, if I concentrate, actually remember what it was that this holiday once celebrated. Something about America being the land of broadly shared prosperity. Something about America being the first nation in human history that had a middle-class majority, where parents had every reason to think their children would fare even better than they had.
The young may be understandably incredulous, but the Great Compression, as economists call it, was the single most important social fact in our country in the decades after World War II. From 1947 through 1973, American productivity rose by a whopping 104 percent, and median family income rose by the very same 104 percent. More Americans bought homes and new cars and sent their kids to college than ever before. In ways more difficult to quantify, the mass prosperity fostered a generosity of spirit: The civil rights revolution and the Marshall Plan both emanated from an America in which most people were imbued with a sense of economic security.

That America is as dead as the dodo. Ours is the age of the Great Upward Redistribution.
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from Devaluing Labor By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, August 30, 2006; Page A19
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/29/AR2006082901042.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns

Since 1973, men’s median wages are unchanged, see p60-231.pdf page 18 graph. Women’s wages were 60 percent of men’s in 1960 and are 77 percent in 2005.So women’s wages are less than 77 percent of what men’s wages were in 1973. This shows that before immigration, from 1947 to 1973, productivity and median wages went up 1 for 1. Since then, its all been to the shareholders, many of them rich senators like McCain and Kennedy.

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Further comment on Meyerson quote that amonster | Apr 9, 2007 8:26:05 PM found above. quote

More Americans bought homes and new cars and sent their kids to college than ever before. In ways more difficult to quantify, the mass prosperity fostered a generosity of spirit: The civil rights revolution and the Marshall Plan both emanated from an America in which most people were imbued with a sense of economic security. end quote

Those words are so true. America was once so much more of a family than it is today. Today it is a Bush/McCain Hobbesian land. America was so much better 25 years ago. It was so much safer to walk at night. There was so much less fear.

Children could play on their own and roam and get into trouble. They were safe. Probably, no one on earth will ever know a land that great and good for centuries and possibly millenia to come.

You can see what America was in the movies from decades ago. That was once real and it was America. It was so safe and so more unified.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 16, 2008 5:38 PM

Who is Joe the Plumber? Actually..he isn't a plumber. He is some guy, unlicensed, never trained, no apprenticeship, thon', who hung out a sign. Now, he is being suded, has at least two liens against him, and hasn't paid his taxes.... Oh, and he is a Republican, a very very typical Republican.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 16, 2008 5:37 PM

What more can John McCain do?

He can do Sarah Palin.

In public.

After giving the news media 24 hours notice to set up the coverage.

Posted by: angelos_peter | October 16, 2008 5:34 PM

The Hussein Truth Squad hits again.

They dug the dirt on this guy and probably the poor sob will be prosecuted for tax evasion.

Meanwhile, Hussein keeps helping the Wall Street vultures, advocating for them, giving them trillions of your dollars.

Hussein agreed with the vultures that homeowners should only get 90 days to find a new home if they don't want to end up in the streets.

Hussein the magnanimous.

Posted by: coqui44 | October 16, 2008 5:31 PM

America is finally seeing through the fallacy of trickle down economics that has been used to justify unfair tax breaks for big business and the rich. Look at what has happened over the last eight years:

- Our national debt has skyrocketed to historic levels due to Bush's insistence on cutting taxes while attempting to fund two wars.

- Businesses are continuing to send US jobs offshore as domestic job creation has remained flat, real wages have decreased, and the overall cost of living and consumer debt for the majority of Americans have both increased dramatically.

- The richest 5% of Americans grew substantially wealthier in comparison to the middle class majority and US sales of ultra luxury goods (such as exotic cars) drastically increased.

- Saddest of all, Wall St. eventually collapsed under the weight of it's own unregulated excesses, forcing future generations of taxpayers to foot the bill.

Capitalism is undeniably the greatest force in improving the standard of living for the middle class, but left unchecked without reasonable oversight and fair taxation American companies will only serve the needs of their shareholders and executives, not those of the middle class as the GOP would like you to believe. It's the role of an effective government to create a fair playing field that creates a healty business environment while also serving the greater needs of the people.

Posted by: eduardo2 | October 16, 2008 5:30 PM

Hey TonyV1,
Why? Why do you believe a report from that extremist "rag?" The Dredge report is nothing but a faulty right-wing sympathizer. Did you notice the links to Limbaugh and his cronies? I'd bet one weeks pay that if the main stream media was reporting McCain up by double digits, folks like yourself would be out shooting yourselves a pig ("with lipstick") for the pig roast! But he's not leading, he's not close! You right-wingers always blame everybody else. LOOK AT WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SELL, Sarah "eagle-eye" Palin, (she can see Russia, which gives foreign policy experience from her office). Was that the media?

Posted by: marclooney1 | October 16, 2008 5:30 PM

It is strange that McCain can't just simply tell the people in what way they'd be better off with him in the White House. Few at this stage believe it would be enough.

Can't be much of a platform, then.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 16, 2008 5:27 PM

StevenB1,

With Obama in the WH the old USSR will be back in business right here in the USA. Marxism is what he brings. Socialism for all!!! and FREE healthcare.. what a bonus

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 5:27 PM

Wow now we find out today Joe is not even a plumber?? That is hilarious!! How stupid does McCain look right about now...oh ya, he was already there once he picked Palin

Posted by: Carl-MadasHell | October 16, 2008 5:26 PM

Dear ukeman,

What refutiated staements? Obama DID give ACORN over $800,000 for voer registration in the primarys. He did sit on a board with Ayers and start his political career at his house. He did sit in the pew of Dr. Wrights church for 20 years. Obama explained them away with simple and non detailed statements.

I do agree that McCain isn't an attack dog and is uncomfortable bringing these things up ( he won't mention Wright as he promised not to . That is his problem for being too much of a nice guy. But, Obama's problems lie in his associations with people we wouldn't sit down with. I'll leave Rezko out of it as I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 5:23 PM

There is nothing McCain can do to prevent the election from going in Obama's favor. Firstly, voters are simply tired of confrontation. When I hear the word "fight" I just cringe. It sounds so much like elementary school playground talk. Voters are looking for a president who will "work" to solve the nation's problems, not "fight" and make them worse. McCain's actions during this economic meltdown give a good indication that he is very much a "my way or the high way" kind of guy, just like George W. Secondly, it's a new millenium and world from a generation ago. The USSR is gone. China is a world economic power. The dollar is worth next to nothing. Voters know that we can't go back to the way things were. It will never be 1950 or 1960 or 1970 ever again. Most are looking for a president who understands the new century and all the challenges and opportunities it brings. McCain doesn't understand why youtube insists on deleting his ads that contain copyrighted material and he doesn't even use e-mail. That's it in a nutshell. Voters are looking for a president who will work to make life better in the 21st century, not a president who will fight an unwinnable fight to return to the 20th century.

Posted by: StevenB1 | October 16, 2008 5:23 PM

8======D ~~ ~ ~ ~ O:

Posted by: JohnnyREP | October 16, 2008 5:22 PM

Obama leading the polls and the possibility of more Republicans losing their seats in the House is actually indicative of the current trend: Americans are upset. They finally have realized what is always true: THAT CONSERVATIVE ECONOMIC AGENDA IS A CORRUPT AND BROKE AGENDA. It made few people rich and more people broke. Reaganomics is a myth that was perpetrated by the Right: It never worked.

Democrats must not forget that the reason they are being put in office is because Americans want something new. I only hope that they do not become as incompetent as the Republicans by applying the same Voodoo economics that the Republicans subscribe to. They must fix the economy that W and the Republicans broke to the point that they are giving away $700B to their cronies as a farewell present.


History has shown us (From the Great Depression to today) that the Republicans are only good at destroying our found prosperity, economy and fostering division among us while the Democrats have to come in and fix it again. However history has also shown us that in times of our prosperity and largesse we become lax and vote Republican.


So to the Republicans out there: don't lose hope. You will have both Houses again in 2016, after the Democrats turn this economy around and we got money in our pockets again for you to steal. Only then can we talk again about the divisive issues of your Conservative agenda.

Posted by: TKDuff | October 16, 2008 5:20 PM

coqui44

taxes, inflation, lousy economy

whats the point in working anymore might as well stay home your just putting money in someone elses pocket.

you are an idiot

Posted by: JohnnyREP | October 16, 2008 5:18 PM

Dear brwnkoolaid,

I don't think that this race has anything to do with skin color. Obama is half white isn't he? So he is as much white as he is black. Big deal. Obviously, you have some issues with race at work. I am sorry of some idiots still feel that way. You should be judged based on performance.


McCain is judging Obama based on performance or lack of it. Actions speak louder than words.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 5:18 PM

If there are any smart people in the GOP today, they know Mccain can only rely on STUPIDITY to win.

What undecided voter would act on refuted false statements unless he/she were not just low info, but downright stupid?

For those low info's here:
Maverick Reform = Bridge to Nowhere, Troopergate abuse, ALaska highest earmark per capita. Rick Davis/FannieFreddy, Keating 5. Phil Gramm.

Duh!


Posted by: ukeman | October 16, 2008 5:18 PM

Oh my... Have you seen Joe Biden's eyes and forehead lately? He has had Botox injected in his forehead and it is making his eye lids droop over the top of his eyes, ... very weird looking!!

Biden's Botox injections went terribly wrong. It looks like he had an amateur plastic surgeon do it.

Posted by: Phil6 | October 16, 2008 5:18 PM

Don't you just hate it when the media with all their left wing bias convince the stupid half to vote for Obama?

But the smart half are clever enough to see through this and vote for the right wing candidate?

Damn those media people. Always throwing these elections by duping all the liberals.

I'm offering this up as an excuse in case McCain loses and you folks need to blame somebody so it looks like it's not your fault.

Hope this helps.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 16, 2008 5:17 PM

The only thing that matters are the electoral votes. Popular vote is passe.

On top of that you have the voter fraud from both parties.

So, what's the point of voting anymore?

Stay home and watch how the a few bought out people decide for you.

Remember how you hated that Bush stole the elections?

Now you are fine with the democrats doing the same thing.

It's not about democracy anymore. It's about dishonesty, the power of money and Wall Street, and the smart crooks who can get away with it vs. the dumb crooks who allowed themselves to be caught.

Posted by: coqui44 | October 16, 2008 5:16 PM

As a black man in corporate America, I've come to realize that the reason that McCain refuses or he just can't deal with the real issues on economy, health coverage, energy, is that he prefers to spend his own energy trying to figure out how this black man got to this point. He's so mad, he can't focus.

Just as in my work place, an educated black man/woman is consistently challenged on everything from work ethic to personal family decisions...McCain is displaying the same tactics that I/we experience everyday by questioning and slandering how this black person got here.

The difference is that the office environment is different from the national stage, but very similar. He's too stupid to get it.

Posted by: brwnkoolaid | October 16, 2008 5:12 PM

McCain's gonna pull this one out. Obama's already outspending him 3:1. It's a NO SALE on BHO!

The half hour infomercial Barry bought is gonna make him jump the shark. Most definitely, my friends.

Put down your crack pipe and inhale deeply some fresh air. And some common sense and a deep breath of reality.

I'd hate it if you got suicidal on election night watching Obama's acceptance speech.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 16, 2008 5:11 PM

rabble JOE SIX PACK rabble rabble TAKE YER GUNS rabble TERRORIST rabble RAISE TAXES rabble rabble COMMUNIST rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble RAISE TAXES rabble RENZO rabble rabble COMMUNIST RABBLE!!! WINK!

Posted by: JohnnyREP | October 16, 2008 5:10 PM

The only "admirable" thing left to do for McCain is, (in my humble view) would be to admit that the "attack" and Sarah Palin stategies he incorporated were wrong ineffective, just like voting for the war in Iraq was wrong, and the tax cut's to the wealthiest 1% of Americans was wrong. Just like pulling out of Afghanistan without having killed Osama bin Laden was wrong.
Mr. OBAMA tied him to Bush on these issues Wednesday night and the poor elderly gentleman missed it along with most die-hard Republicans. The decent thing left to do would be bow out gracefully, admit those wrongs and keep what dignity he has left. Come November 5th he'll have a lot of explaining to do. What was that "tongue" thing he kept doing? LOL!!

Posted by: marclooney1 | October 16, 2008 5:10 PM

OK MCCAIN FAITHFUL, DON'T BELIEVE THE MEDIA WHO WANT THIS RACE TO BE OVER
THIS JUST IN

GALLUP POLL (LIKELY VOTERS)
THURS. OCT 16

OBAMA - 49
MCCAIN - 47

www.drudgereport.com

Posted by: TonyV1 | October 16, 2008 5:09 PM

so Wiggan, sagereader and Thozmaniac: who gave you the right to declare that no one gets any of your money to pay for say, the Iraq War? to close the deficit?, stuff like that? you don't pay enough now to do even that. since when were we socialist income redistributors with the tax rates before Bush's cut? were you being robbed then? McCain said those cuts were irresponsible. what's socialist about agreeing with him and letting them expire as scheduled (they were adopted as temporary). so telling you your temporary break is over is some kind of communist plot? give me a break. taxes go up, taxes go down. loopholes get closed, some get opened. no communist plots. oppose any program you want because no taxpayer should have to pay for it, that's fine, but don't act like you have a constitutional right to today's bracket structure. Obama isn't proposing any outrageous programs for the poor.

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 16, 2008 5:07 PM

Obama leading the polls and the possibility of more Republicans losing their seats in the House is actually indicative of the current trend: Americans are upset. They finally have realized what is always true: THAT CONSERVATIVE ECONOMIC AGENDA IS A CORRUPT AND BROKE AGENDA. It made few people rich and more people broke. Reaganomics is a myth that was perpetrated by the Right: It never worked.

Democrats must not forget that the reason they are being put in office is because Americans want something new. I only hope that they do not become as incompetent as the Republicans by applying the same Voodoo economics that the Republicans subscribe to. They must fix the economy that W and the Republicans broke to the point that they are giving away $700B to their cronies as a farewell present.


History has shown us (From the Great Depression to today) that the Republicans are only good at destroying our found prosperity, economy and fostering division among us while the Democrats have to come in and fix it again. However history has also shown us that in times of our prosperity and largesse we become lax and vote Republican.


So to the Republicans out there: don't lose hope. You will have both Houses again in 2016, after the Democrats turn this economy around and we got money in our pockets again for you to steal. Only then can we talk again about the divisive issues of your Conservative agenda.

Posted by: TKDuff | October 16, 2008 5:06 PM

Dear HemiHead66,
Socialism and Marxism are not qualities we want in a President. Our founding fathers created this country to be free from oppressive taxation. They wanted small Govt and to let people keep what they earn. Over time Govt keeps getting bigger and bigger. When will you be happy? 80% tax brackets? 90%. have you noticed that when taxes go up, they almost NEVER go down.. unless a GOP offical lowers them.

The utter hate I hear from the left is very surprising since it is the "compassionate and caring party". Running around wearing Palin is a C@#T t-shirts. If I wore a Obama is a Richard Cranium T-Shirt it would be racist and mean spirited.. and I wouldn't wear one.

As we get closer to the election the hate speech for all GOP leaning poeple keeps getting worse and worse.

I am sorry I don't believe in a Marxist philosophy. I believe in small Govt, less spending and being fiscally conservative both in my personal life and in Govt.

If more people in this country were fiscally conservative we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Save 20% of your check, live within your means and don't expect the Govt to bail you out. Taking personal responsibility for yourself and your actions.

Don't wait for a Govt hand out

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 5:06 PM

Who is Joe the Plumber?

His name is Joe Wurzelbacher and he is a plumber from Ohio who does not need a license. Joe the Plumber became a symbol of the economic troubles crippling the United States. Joe encountered Senator Obama while he was campaigning in Toledo, Ohio earlier this week. Joe wants to buy the company he works for, but purchasing it would make him a target of the Democrat's plan to tax the "wealthy." Joe told Senator Obama about his frustrations with Obama's plans to raise taxes on the "wealthy" and the Illinois senator replied that it was important to "spread the wealth around." That means that he wants to take Joe's, and countless other small business owners', hard earned money. Senator Obama wants to raise their taxes so he can pay for his government mandated healthcare system and other big government programs. He wants to punish small business owners who are successful and about to climb the next step on the economic ladder by spreading their "wealth."

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Who ya kiddin. His taxes would go up so little he wouldn't even feel it. And I don't think Joe the plumber makes 250,000 a year. I know if I did I wouldn't be complaining about a few bucks in taxes. When I was working 70 hours a week at Coke they took half my paycheck in taxes.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 5:06 PM

Labor Day is almost upon us, and like some of my fellow graybeards, I can, if I concentrate, actually remember what it was that this holiday once celebrated. Something about America being the land of broadly shared prosperity. Something about America being the first nation in human history that had a middle-class majority, where parents had every reason to think their children would fare even better than they had.
The young may be understandably incredulous, but the Great Compression, as economists call it, was the single most important social fact in our country in the decades after World War II. From 1947 through 1973, American productivity rose by a whopping 104 percent, and median family income rose by the very same 104 percent. More Americans bought homes and new cars and sent their kids to college than ever before. In ways more difficult to quantify, the mass prosperity fostered a generosity of spirit: The civil rights revolution and the Marshall Plan both emanated from an America in which most people were imbued with a sense of economic security.

That America is as dead as the dodo. Ours is the age of the Great Upward Redistribution.
end quote.

from Devaluing Labor By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, August 30, 2006; Page A19
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/29/AR2006082901042.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns

Since 1973, men’s median wages are unchanged, see p60-231.pdf page 18 graph. Women’s wages were 60 percent of men’s in 1960 and are 77 percent in 2005.So women’s wages are less than 77 percent of what men’s wages were in 1973. This shows that before immigration, from 1947 to 1973, productivity and median wages went up 1 for 1. Since then, its all been to the shareholders, many of them rich senators like McCain and Kennedy.

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Further comment on Meyerson quote that amonster | Apr 9, 2007 8:26:05 PM found above. quote

More Americans bought homes and new cars and sent their kids to college than ever before. In ways more difficult to quantify, the mass prosperity fostered a generosity of spirit: The civil rights revolution and the Marshall Plan both emanated from an America in which most people were imbued with a sense of economic security. end quote

Those words are so true. America was once so much more of a family than it is today. Today it is a Bush Hobbesian land. America was so much better 25 years ago. It was so much safer to walk at night. There was so much less fear.

Children could play on their own and roam and get into trouble. They were safe. Probably, no one on earth will ever know a land that great and good for centuries and possibly millenia to come.

You can see what America was in the movies from decades ago. That was once real and it was America. It was so safe and so more unified.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 16, 2008 5:05 PM

He can join Fox News and spew their Republican garbage of lies and trash. He's the personification of Fox News which is propaganda and lies. Why else would the Veterans Hospital prevent CNN from working on their tvs in the patients rooms and only allow Fox News.

Posted by: blakesouthwood | October 16, 2008 5:05 PM

Sam, the guy who isn't a plumber, is related to the KEATING family?

Yeah. He wasn't a plant.

Posted by: kay5 | October 16, 2008 5:04 PM

DWASHINGTON1 YOU ARE THERE!!!
I LIKE DWASHINGTON1,YOU KNOW WHY?
HE'S THE ONE!!!

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 16, 2008 5:04 PM

DUBY1 wrote at 4:02 p.m.
"What I would love to see on Nov 5 is Obama ask Mccain to head a task force on cutting govt waste....
....and should do so by flushing himself, bush and all the dumb republicans down the toilet.

Posted by: mackiejw | October 16, 2008 5:03 PM

LETS LOOK AT THE FACTS...

1. McCAIN SAIDS HE'S FOR CHANGE - BUT VOTED 95% OF THE TIME WITH BUSH.

2. McCAIN SAIDS HE'S FOR VETERANS - YET WON'T SUPPORT THE GI BILL.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK_9sI7hzAc

3. HIS VP CHOICE PALIN SAID SHE WAS CLEARED IN TROOPERGATE...THE TRUTH IS OTHERWISE...READ.... WHAT IS ALASKA’S REAL VIEW OF PALIN @ TROOPERGATE
http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/555236.html

4. JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, McCAIN SAID THE ECONOMY WAS DOING GREAT...CHECK OUT...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 16, 2008 5:03 PM

This is a crazy race, McCain has been saying things that have been over done.
When you start a name calling contest it shows that you are not the man for the job.
The loud mouth is the one that is lost. McCain is lost he never answers the questions with out saying that Obama is wrong about something.
Obama has pointed out how they are different and how they aggree.
McCain could not handle this job when he was 25, this guy was at the bottom of his class in college.
Do you want someone that could not make the grade or did not care to be a upper classman.
I know that was 50 years ago, but that is another issue. Just look at the congressman over 70 years old.
The majority should have retired.
I am 67 and retired.
The President should be a young person, just look at McCain he is not healthy. His time has passed, that is the bottom line.
If McCain wins this race we are all going to lose.

Posted by: CDLopez | October 16, 2008 5:01 PM

What more can McCain do?

He can blanket the country with misleading smear robocalls, like he's doing here in Ohio.

It's cheap, and it's under the media radar.

It'll backfire. I'm getting four or five McCain robocalls A DAY here in Ohio.

All smears, all lies. Just poisonous.

Posted by: kay5 | October 16, 2008 5:00 PM

Gallup poll today:

McCain:47 Obama:49

Margin of error: 2

McCain's gonna pull this one out. Obama's already outspending him 3:1. It's a NO SALE on BHO!

The half hour infomercial Barry bought is gonna make him jump the shark. Most definitely, my friends.

Wahooo!

Posted by: greg3 | October 16, 2008 5:00 PM

Lets'' see...where to begin? Samuel the Plumber doesn''t have a license, is a tax evader (state of Ohio has a $1,200 lien on him for unpaid taxes), was lying about buying the business, and exaggerated how much it would earn by over $50,000.

On top of all that, all the expert analysis today shows that even if he WERE telling the truth...Obama''s policies would be better for his business than McCain''s.

Looks like the McCain campaign checked Samuel the Plumber out about as well as they did Sarah Palin.

John W McCain''s unbelievably incompetent campaign make the Titanic look seaworthy.


Posted by: wilder5121 | October 16, 2008 4:51

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Is this really true?

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 4:57 PM

there are a slew of things that would make managing our energy more fun , interesting and increase quality of life...

one thing would be to enact laws regarding government workers and telecommuting...

a federal mandate to reduce the amount of driving time for federal workers in DC would be a major relief for anyone living in the Virginia/Maryland/DC area as commutes right now are horrendous...


enforcing regulations on automanufacturers to get the 32 MPGs that we _all_ know that they _can_ get...

having a gas rationing that is patterned on making excessive users pay more to do that...

leaving commercial gasoline rates the same...

improving rail usage for commuting and shipping...

making use of bus lanes in all major cities ...

examining city infrastructures and modifying suburban land usage to better keep our cities as urban life centers rather than as places that we visit... blah blah blah...

there are many ways to cut down , and have a better life all the way around , because we are paying less for it and spending less time on the road...

efficient use of what we have gives us a better life... what corporations are selling _you_ is what makes your life worse and your quality of life diminishes....

notice that the middle class is missing and all of our jobs and manufacturing are overseas... ?


called customer service lately ? do you speak urdu?

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 16, 2008 4:56 PM

Who is Joe the Plumber?

His name is Joe Wurzelbacher and he is a plumber from Ohio who does not need a license. Joe the Plumber became a symbol of the economic troubles crippling the United States. Joe encountered Senator Obama while he was campaigning in Toledo, Ohio earlier this week. Joe wants to buy the company he works for, but purchasing it would make him a target of the Democrat's plan to tax the "wealthy." Joe told Senator Obama about his frustrations with Obama's plans to raise taxes on the "wealthy" and the Illinois senator replied that it was important to "spread the wealth around." That means that he wants to take Joe's, and countless other small business owners', hard earned money. Senator Obama wants to raise their taxes so he can pay for his government mandated healthcare system and other big government programs. He wants to punish small business owners who are successful and about to climb the next step on the economic ladder by spreading their "wealth."

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 4:55 PM

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET FRAUD AND BLIND GREED HAS KILLED SUPER-CAPITALISM

Thanks to GOP Republican Wall Street fraud, the International Banking System will no longer use capitalism.

Asia and Latin America will stay far away from American super-capitalism.

Europe will demand transparency and strict enforcement of International Banking Laws for ALL NATIONS, especially the United States.

Europe views Wall Street CEOs and investors as criminals unworthy of trust who must be closely monitored commensurate with their dishonest nature.


DEMOCRACY RISING RALLIES TO EDUCATE AND EMPOWER AMERICAN CITIZENS


COMMERCIAL ALERT AND CITIZEN RIGHTS
(PROTECT AMERICAN FAMILIES, COMMUNITIES, U.S. DEMOCRACY FROM WALL STREET FRAUD AND CORPORATE CORRUPTION)


THE RICH ARE STEALING AND SELLING AMERICA: STOP THEM!!!


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SUPER RICH GOP REPUBLICAN MILLIONAIRES / BILLIONAIRES ARE HIDING $3TRILLION STOLEN FROM THE TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE) IN FOREIGN BANKS, PROPERTIES AND SWEATSHOPS.

CONFISCATE ALL PROPERTIES (DOMESTIC / FOREIGN) BELONGING TO RICH REPUBLICANS INVOLVED WITH ROBBING THE TREASURY AND RETURN THE $3TRILLION TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

IT IS RIGHT TO PROSECUTE ACTS OF TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. So which party has been better for the American pocketbook? If you invested $10,000 exclusively under either Democratic or Republican administrations, this is how you would you have fared:

From 1929 to 2008, $10,000 invested in S & P under the GOP Republican Presidency would have grown to $11,733. ($51,211 if you exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression)

From 1929 to 2008, $10,000 invested in S & P under the Democratic Presidency would have grown to $300,671.

Democrats have always been better for the American People, than GOP Republicans.

GOP Republican high propensity for Greed and Fraud has finally destroyed their Wall Street Golden Goose.

Give the GOP Republican criminals handcuffs and property confiscation.


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AMERICA, EUROPE AND THE WORLD NEED HEALING THROUGH FORWARD THINKING IRISH-AMERICAN HARVARD LAW SCHOLAR BARACK OBAMA


When Obama ends the illegal GOP Republican Iraq War, $1Trillion will flow back into the United States and create a million American jobs through the multiplier effect.

Obama loves America, while GOP Republican McCain loves tax loopholes for the rich.

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Posted by: dwashington1 | October 16, 2008 4:55 PM

McCain is simply in an impossible situation that grows worse as the election draws near:

He is representing the incumbent party during a down economy in the wake of one of the most unpopular presidents in US history.

He has zero crediblility as a outsider and reformer since he was in Washington and actively participating in the affairs of the past 8+ years.

His supporters are becoming more vocal in their distaste for the prospect of a minority president with Muslim roots, which only makes him look like a fringe candidate in the eyes of more moderate voters.

His fatal mistake was an incredibly poor choice for VP, a move that seemed to completely ignore the valid concerns many have undecided voters about his age and health.

John McCain SHOULD have been the Republican candidate in 2000 and would have made a far better president than Bush (as if that needed to be said). Unfortunately, times have changed, the damage has been done, and McCain's time has passed.

Posted by: eduardo2 | October 16, 2008 4:54 PM

I never knew so many people enjoyed socialisim. I thought we lived in a democracy. Oh well, lets just 'spread the wealth around a little' Never mind those of us who worked our tail off to make something of ourselves with no help from big gov, and already give to church and charity of oh dare I even say it--of our own free will...I say once more TAX ME MORE, I DESERVE IT I must be crazy not to want to give tax rebates to those who do not even pay taxes.

Posted by: treborxela | October 16, 2008 4:17 PM

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Your worse than that dumb blond on FOX that asked if Obama was gonna send out checks to everybody at the end of the year. You must have missed the part where Obama said Working Americans.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 4:54 PM

Obama spent the night practicing an artificial smile and a telling grimace. Who is this guy, really???

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 4:53 PM

Lets'' see...where to begin? Samuel the Plumber doesn''t have a license, is a tax evader (state of Ohio has a $1,200 lien on him for unpaid taxes), was lying about buying the business, and exaggerated how much it would earn by over $50,000.

On top of all that, all the expert analysis today shows that even if he WERE telling the truth...Obama''s policies would be better for his business than McCain''s.

Looks like the McCain campaign checked Samuel the Plumber out about as well as they did Sarah Palin.

John W McCain''s unbelievably incompetent campaign make the Titanic look seaworthy.

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 16, 2008 4:51 PM


when rich people are allowed to pass laws that affect everyone and do it from the position of ...I am a rich person that knows jack sh*t about the world around me and I want to maintain my fortune regardless of what it does to you...


we need to take the same attitude and shoot them in the knees ...figuratively of course... and eliminate that option...

take back America from the selfish and make them obey the laws...you have to...

make an example of them... take their properties and leave them penniless ,

let them know what is like to be forced to live without options because of the actions of others....


YOUR ACTIONS....give them an education....vote them out, take back your country and prosecute them into oblivion.

help them move into the real world by giving them _some_....


.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 16, 2008 4:51 PM

Thozmaniac -

I read your link. Now, "if you have the guts", read a renowned publication's assessment of the mental state of a Conservative (cut and paste link into browser).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/13/usa.redbox

This study was government-sponsored, and completed under the supervision of the National Institute of Health.

Your Dr. Rossiter is a discredited hack.

Finally, listen to Rossiter's own description of the symptoms - sounds like all of your Wall Street Conservatives we just payed to bailout.

1) creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
2) satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
3) augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
4) rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

You can also apply every one of these criterion to the men and women of the current Conservative Administration.

Posted by: lancemh | October 16, 2008 4:51 PM

"Hey thozmaniac,why don't you go back to your trailer, deep fry some Orio's and listen to Savage on the radio.The bible thumping nut jobs can't hang on to power forever"

Posted by: pragman:

LMFAO! My trailer? I live in a two story modern colonial home with central air, two 51" HDTV's, all new leather (suede) furniture, with a beautiful and loving wife. I drive a 2004 XKE forest green Jag, and take trips to Europe at will since I'm an international award winning photographer featured and published in 5 books.
I busted my ass to get here, and love my country for giving me the chance to do it.
If your life sucks so bad stop whining and do something about it.
Most Liberal's are so freakin lazy.

Why should I part with any of my money to feed liberal pseudo hippies and crackheads who refuse to contribute to society?

McCain and Palin 08!
Vote for reason, integrity, and truth!

Posted by: Thozmaniac | October 16, 2008 4:49 PM

In the third and last Presidential debate Senator Obama was poised and focused on the issues, while Senator McCain threw out all the character assassinations the wingnuts of his party have fabricated without much success. It was for the most part preaching to the choir by McCain. I don't believe he has swayed undecided voters with his attacks on Obama and certainly has not changed the minds of any Democrats, which he needed to do to win.

McCain recently publicly admitted that Senator Obama is a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States." A huge admission from him and the party that spent months and tens of millions of dollars trying to convince the voters Obama was not qualified to lead. Just think what all that wasted time and money could have done in helping some community: it could have funded dozens of scholarships, or built a community center, or a couple of new sports fields for our youth.

The debate could have been a first rate opportunity to discuss the issues if McCain spent his time explaining his positions rather than desparate attacks against Obama.

Posted by: mikeu1 | October 16, 2008 4:49 PM

when rich people are allowed to pass laws that affect everyone and do it from the position of ...I am a rich person that knows jack sh*t about the world around me and I want to maintain my fortune regardless of what it does to you...


we need to take the same attitude and shoot them in the knees ...figuratively of course... and eliminate that option...

take back America from the selfish and make them obey the laws...you have to...

make an example of them... take their properties and leave them penniless ,

let them know what is like to be forced to live without options because of the actions of others....


YOUR ACTIONS....give them an education....vote them out, take back your country and prosecute them into oblivion.

help them move into the real world by giving them some....


.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 16, 2008 4:48 PM

Nothing.
There is nothing that the old war criminal can do at this point to win this election.
He's not good enough...
He's not smart enough...
And doggonnit, people loathe him!

Go visit old lady RayGoon...

Posted by: kase | October 16, 2008 4:48 PM

Who is Joe the Plumber?

His name is Joe Wurzelbacher and he is a plumber from Ohio. Joe the Plumber became a symbol of the economic troubles crippling the United States. Joe encountered Senator Obama while he was campaigning in Toledo, Ohio earlier this week. Joe wants to buy the company he works for, but purchasing it would make him a target of the Democrat's plan to tax the "wealthy." Joe told Senator Obama about his frustrations with Obama's plans to raise taxes on the "wealthy" and the Illinois senator replied that it was important to "spread the wealth around." That means that he wants to take Joe's, and countless other small business owners', hard earned money. Senator Obama wants to raise their taxes so he can pay for his government mandated healthcare system and other big government programs. He wants to punish small business owners who are successful and about to climb the next step on the economic ladder by spreading their "wealth."

Posted by: sagereader | October 16, 2008 4:48 PM

TO HEMIHEAD66
I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT...


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 16, 2008 4:47 PM

A correction to the comment of wrock76taolcom (October 16, 2008 4:33 PM):

McCain did NOT admonish rape victims for not enjoying it. What he did do was tell a JOKE that was well documented in the Arizona press at the time. (see joke below).

"Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contentedly and to feebly ask, 'Where is that Marvelous Ape?'"

There now, wasn't that funny?
Admit it, don't you feel better about McCain now?

Posted by: HughBriss | October 16, 2008 4:47 PM

McCain can start creating fake polls, like the Obama a$$-kissing main-stream media.

NY Times recently had Obama up by 14 points!

Obama losing will have nothing to do with "the Bradley Effect" (although am sure you will cry racism)

It will instead have to with all of you having been given completely unreal expectations by the group-think media you follow.

Posted by: pgr88 | October 16, 2008 4:45 PM

there are some things on the drawing board that will make these coal burning plants obsolete within 12 years... _that_ , needs to be taken into account . There is also clean burn and using solar energy for multiple levels of electricity and heating and cooling... there is no need for the number of plants planned , the can be cut by a bout 2/3 and funding used in other places... coal needs to be conserved and used in industrial process... it is essential in some metalurgical and glass making situations... there will be industrial uses for coal well into the next century... to deplete it now is to make use as a way of damaging the environment by not actually looking at an efficient use of a non renewable resource...


when rich people are allowed to pass laws that affect everyone and do it from the position of ...I am a rich person that knows jack sh*t about the world around me and I want to maintain my fortune regardless of what it does to you...


we need to take the same attitude and shoot them in the knees ...figuratively of course... and eliminate that option...

take back America from the selfish and make them obey the laws...you have to... Arrest the Bushes , Cheney , Rumsfeld , Douglas Feith , Perle , Wolfowitz , Libby some more , John Negroponte and others ....


make an example of them... take their properties and leave them penniless ,


let them know what is like to be forced to live without options because of the actions of others.... YOUR ACTIONS....give them an education.


help them move into the real world by giving them some....

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 16, 2008 4:44 PM

There are three obvious points McCain must harp on until election day.

(1) Use the Joe the Plumber case to draw unceasing attention to the basic income redistribution scheme at the core of Obama's socialist plan for America. He has to hammer over and over the fact in that give-aways for unproductivity and penalizing the productive will cause our competitiveness to erode. It is morally wrong to steal money from the hard working people of this country and give it to do-nothing layabouts. McCain has to directly show that Obama's give aways to people who pay no taxes disincentivise employment and push this country in the wrong direction.

(2) Hammer over and over on the issue that earmarks, money from lobbists, and personal graft such as Obama has taken on his housing deal with Resko are a huge part of the problem. While it is true earmarks are a small part of trillion dollar budgets, the fact that you are bought and paid for as a congressman is a serious issue that prevents you from acting on behalf of the people of your district. McCain can clean up this mess, and Obama is dirty on this issue. The more you harp on this, the more you gain.

(3) Endrun the MSM bias...McCain has to get out in person to more places to speak directly to the people in the battleground states. Rather than one apperance per day he has to do several. He can not rely upon left leaning press to impartially report his message. For a recent example of this bias, look to CNN's report today of Joe the Plumber's talk with Obama. Look how they butchered his direct quote to make it look like Joe is wildly accusing Obama of things he didn't say like spreading the wealth around. This kind of whitewash is what people are seeing, and you have to talk directly to them because the MSM has lost their integrity.

Posted by: Wiggan | October 16, 2008 4:43 PM

The Debate spoke for it's self as it pertains to truth, integrity and vision.

The limitation were demonstrated by McCain as he refused to stick with the issues, but choose to spew hurt feelings that Obama choose to make his own choices on where and how to campaign and has been very successful in his deliberations.

McCain seems to be more the elist that he and others have tried to tag Obama as.

Bottom Line.... He is 'BITTER' and I mean that litterly and worse of all ..It Shows!

Posted by: Puddlescited | October 16, 2008 4:42 PM

mrn744,
thinking now? you think people are going to fall for it? U are a Rethuglican trying to influence swing voters.

Posted by: nri1998 | October 16, 2008 4:41 PM

One funny remark McCain made was if Obama wanted to run against Bush Obama should have run in 04. The irony is that remark applied more to John McCain than Barack Obama. Mr. McMaverick has been running harder against and away from Bush than he has against Obama.

Before turning all negative all the time running against Bush had been the whole strategy of the McCain campaign. He even selected quirky Governor Maverick to be his side kick. That was the exact opposite of what W did when he supposedly picked a wise old hand like Dick Cheney.

McCain’s transparent misstatements and the shallowness of his campaign are the reasons why he is tanking. Pandering to and dragging a dodgy unlicensed plumber Joe into the political discussion is a clear sign as to how desperate his campaign has become. The race may get closer but I doubt it. It looks more and more like a blowout even after Obama pays his electoral black tax in the form of the Bradley effect.

Posted by: bfc1949 | October 16, 2008 4:41 PM

He's done enough already, thank you. I'm frankly awed by Senator John McCain and his apparent inability to understand that in his third debate with Senator Obama, he (Mr. McCain) revealed to us all how transparently deceitful he is, and.... I'm sorry, but the word is conniving. I thank God on behalf of the world at large that Mr. McCain revealed to us that which resides in his soul; just as his running mate has revealed to us how little resides in her .... brain. Whew! I am alarmed that such people can get so close to such a seat of power, as is the Presidency of the United States. Exactly what is this "Republican Party"???? Nixon, Humphrey, the two Georges Bush: and now this spectacle??? I really am stupefied by the lack of Republican "candidates of character and integrity": is it because the Republican Party ingratiates itself with big tobacco, with the gun lobby, with those who have blocked universal health care all these years, with blatantly anti-environmental policies, with scheming trial lawyers, and so many movements of similar ilk. It's almost as if the political forces in United States are split along the lines of good and evil: with the Republican Party catering to those who are poignantly unsavory: at the same time that that Republican Party so easily manipulates the people of the country's religious right. That's scary: to think that people so often can place blind faith in another. This You Tube stuff is changing this, however: because we can now see them unlike ever before. And there's no place to hide. Good is destined to prevail; and evil to be crushed. Yes, thank God that McCain has done enough already to demonstrate the extent to which the Republican Party needs an overhaul, and purging of evil elements. Hurray for Christopher Buckley: now THERE is an American hero.Yours truly, Daryl Atamanyk

Posted by: DarylAtamanyk | October 16, 2008 4:41 PM

All you have to do is take a close look at each candidates proposed policies. Read them and dissect them. Then judge who really would be the best to help our country out of this hole we have dug. I am voting for Obama, He is a man with a composure of granite and handles himself very well under pressure. That is what we need most. His policies are out to really help our economy and the middle class. Read the policies of John McCain and see if his will help as much. His running mate is the most unqualified person I have ever seen run for vice president. He has no justifications for his pick, other than governing the lowest populated state in the union and being mayor of a small town. His only incentive to put her on his ticket was obviously to get the female votes that Hillary worked so hard for. I am not a Hillary fan at all, but there is no way on this earth that Palin even comes close enough to brush the dirt off Hillary's shoes.

Posted by: cobra414 | October 16, 2008 4:40 PM

"Did any body else notice the tremble of Mcains hands when they were not clasped together

Posted by: pragman"

Not an issue. They're called essential tremors and I've had them since I was a teenager. He did a lot wrong, but that's not one of them.

Posted by: deeppeace | October 16, 2008 4:40 PM

He needs a haymaker like the one he landed against Huckabee and Romney simultaneously during the primaries. The only way, then and now, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania literally be damned, is to reignite his partnership with Pastor John Hagee.

He's pulled it off once. He sought out Hagee, appealed for his endorsement, and look what it got him--the death blow to Huck and Romney right there in W's OWN STATE of Texas.

So once again McCain, take the stage with the good pastor and embrace him and his galvanizing power.

Posted by: jaho | October 16, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

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Hagee will unlease his super galvanizing power and vaporize Democrats all over the nation.

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 4:39 PM

McCain can start by telling the truth and doing his homework. It seems Joe the plumber is not really a plumber at all. He is a plumber's helper in a two person operation. He has no license and therefore could not operate on his own if he were to buy the firm. Also, since he does not make $200,000 a year he would get a tax cut under Obama's plan. Most people don't care but the fact that McCain used this example says something about his care in checking his sources. Combine that with his failure to vet Sarah Palin and you begin to get a pretty scary picture. We have had 8 years of a president who played loose with the truth and didn't check things out. So, McCain may not be George Bush but if it walks like a duck!

Posted by: cdierd1944 | October 16, 2008 4:39 PM

Check this video from Palin's rally today. These are the people who support McCain/Palin these days. Any Republican supporter who can say that he/she is still proud to be an Republican?

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/mccainpalin-supporters-let-their-rac

Posted by: nri1998 | October 16, 2008 4:38 PM

I am really thinking now
Obama has record of not sticking to his word his record proves it in case of public financing,tax reforms, abortion

In yesterdays debate he was not precise to point like mccain instead he was making general comments, superficially

He has not stood up for any major reforms in senate

He is unclear of free trade agreements i suppose he doesnt understand some of them

He doesn't want to go to nuclear technology

Finally Obama wants to make Governament bigger and inefficient

He would drive business away with his tax plans

prices of commodities would go up once he stops out sourcing,we would start investing in basic stuff instead of cuttign technology

lastly its going to be entire team of democrats holding presidency and seneate majority what would these bunch of people house speaker nancy , obama and democrats finally would do with no limits of power. I am afraid now

Posted by: mrn744 | October 16, 2008 4:37 PM

I'M living in the NETHERLANDS I have Health Insurance,everyone must have a Health Insurance,whatever you are poor,you must have Health Insurance; that doesn't mean we are living in a COMMUNIST OR SOCIALIST COUNTRY.
How come a big country like UNITED STATES OF AMERICA people think like INHUMAN like that..................

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 16, 2008 4:30 PM

=============================

Because Greed rules in the United States. Our Government has been left unchecked for so long that it's turned into a business.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 4:36 PM

Apparently being in denial works well for some folks, and the raucous idiots at Palin's and McCain's appearances get their rocks off, calling for murder. If nothing else is proof that the Republicans are not worthy of the presidency then George Orwell really DID get it: Up is down and intelligence is a failing. Maybe snotty Sarah's dude is right....secede from the U.S.A. and elect the bumbling two to reign over the tundra. Will they PLEASE go away and let people who deserve a responsible government live in peace !

Posted by: hlandis2 | October 16, 2008 4:36 PM

Thozmaniac wrote:

"You liberal's are so full of hatered and venom that it borders on mental illness."

I will go out on a limb here and assume that you mean liberals, rather than liberal's and hatred, rather than hatered.

This comment makes me wonder what you have been smoking for the last eight years. It is the neo-con right that chants "terrorist" and "kill him" about Obama at Palin rallies. She does not discourage them either.

It is George W. Bush who has given us the "my way or the highway" philosophy that you are either with him or you are anti-American.

It is the right wing talk show hosts who start the name calling whenever their argument is weak.

Besides all of that, the GWB administration may not be liberal but it certainly isn't conservative by any definition I know of. Starting an interventionist, jingoist war based on lies is not a conservative tenet. Neither is going from a budget surplus handed to him by that old "tax and spend liberal" Bill Clinton and running the country trillions of dollars into the red.

By the way, I am a moderate. I am against both capital punishment and abortion. I oppose the current welfare system and I oppose corporate welfare. I am against affirmative action including the kind that got GWB into Yale and McCain into the Naval Academy. However, since I am neither an evangelical right winger or any other sort of neo-con, feel free to call me a liberal if it makes you feel better.

William F. Buckley is turning over in his grave.

Posted by: thelastmoderate | October 16, 2008 4:36 PM

the garbage from conservatives about taxes is hilarious. like we woke up today and decreed that the slope of our progressive tax rates as they stand is perfect, not yesterday's, not pre Bush cuts, no - todays rate structure is perfect. so any proposal to return to the brackets before the bush cuts McCain opposed is socialist income redistribution. why? who is to say we didn't overdo the Bush cuts? even by a little bit, or that maybe the middle class is hurting just enough to deserve a cut of their own financed by reversing some of the Bush cuts? Limbaugh? no, somehow, whatever you pay now is all you should ever have to pay, and any proposal other than another cut is stealing money from those who earned it to give it to those who didn't. grow up. we can argue all day long about how steep the progressivity should be at any given point depending on the nation's needs, wars, economy, etc., but let's drop the socialism, income redistribution, job killing, I earned it you didn't crapola.

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 16, 2008 4:35 PM

It is amazing to see how much one can lower the expectation. The GOP is reduced to lowering the grade to pass.

That is No Politician Left Behind however low he or she can stoop. If people are willing to drag others into voting for this man, I'm at a loss at the abysmal state of affairs of this country.

Posted by: mouli_7982 | October 16, 2008 4:35 PM

I am really thinking now
Obama has record of not sticking to his word his record proves it in case of public financing,tax reforms, abortion
In yesterdays debate he was not precise to point like mccain instead he was making general comments, superficially
He has not stood up for any major reforms in senate
He is unclear of free trade agreements i suppose he doesnt understand some of them
He doesn't want to go to nuclear technology
lastly its going to be entire team of democrats holding presidency and seneate majority what would these bunch of people house speaker nancy , obama and democrats finally would do with limits of power. I am afraid now

Posted by: mrn744 | October 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

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Suggest you go hide under your bed for the next eight years.

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 4:34 PM

People who start saying Republicans this or Democrats that...

I ask you this question:

When you want to buy a car, should you buy a new pretty one thats shiny but well over your budget (putting you in debt more), or should you take the used car from your grandfather because its free?

If you know how cars work, the choice is obvious. The used car.

If you don't know how cars work, you become a victim of some mechanic because you bought a new car.

Learn how cars work. Learn how government works.

-Mark

Posted by: marktreat | October 16, 2008 4:33 PM

He needs a haymaker like the one he landed against Huckabee and Romney simultaneously during the primaries. The only way, then and now, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania literally be damned, is to reignite his partnership with Pastor John Hagee.

He's pulled it off once. He sought out Hagee, appealed for his endorsement, and look what it got him--the death blow to Huck and Romney right there in W's OWN STATE of Texas.

So once again McCain, take the stage with the good pastor and embrace him and his galvanizing power.

Posted by: jaho | October 16, 2008 4:33 PM


Wasn't McCain who admonished rape victims for not enjoying it?

I hate to think he believes that let alone says that.

hard to believe.

Posted by: wrock76taolcom | October 16, 2008 4:33 PM

"I'm not President Bush," said McCain, looking at Obama as he normally seems so loath to do. "If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago."

Yes John, but four years ago you were ever so eager to support Bush that you even bowed your balding head for him to kiss. . . . . . Thank you John, for four more years of W.

PS: . . By the way John, what are the differences between George Bush's Phil Graham economic policy and your Phil Graham economic policy? . . . ? You never ever gave any definitive answer.

Posted by: coldcomfort | October 16, 2008 4:33 PM

You liberal's are so full of hatered and venom that it borders on mental illness.

Most of these liberal posts would be a nice project for a leading psychologist to study.
Although it has been proven that liberalism is indeed a mental illness.
Read about what one of America's leading psychologists has to say on the subject if you have the guts for it, right.......>here
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=56494

Posted by: Thozmaniac

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Leading psychiatrist, my a$$. When you Google this shrink, you get page after page of hits on wingnut blogs and publications - could not find a single legitimate website that discussed this kook.

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 4:32 PM

You know what, Pro36? In the interest of shutting you the hell up, I will for the sake of your argument accept your stupid, ignorant lies and agree with you that Obama is indeed a muslim communist.

So, the answer to your question regarding whether the US needs a "muslim communist" in the White House is a resounding, "Yes".

I look forward to seeing hummus AND borscht being served in the White House for the next few years. And apparently there are a whole lot of people who share my enthusiasm.

Of course, based on the ignorance you have displayed on this board, you have probably never been more than 10 miles from whatever jerkwater hick town you live in, and have no idea what 'hummus' or 'borscht' is...

But why is it so easy for the right wing crazies in the GOP to just lie to everyone? Must have something to do with religion, which you seem to think gives you a free pass from morality...

Posted by: Impartialobserver | October 16, 2008 4:32 PM

And you should read about the mental illness called projection. People who suffer from this illness often project their failings and problems onto others, with no ability to see the irony. You can read all about this on www.blowitoutofyoura$$.com, if you dare...
Posted by: LABC | October 16, 2008 4:22 PM

===========================

It gets better by the minute. Good one.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 4:32 PM

I'M living in the NETHERLANDS I have Health Insurance,everyone must have a Health Insurance,whatever you are poor,you must have Health Insurance; that doesn't mean we are living in a COMMUNIST OR SOCIALIST COUNTRY.
How come a big country like UNITED STATES OF AMERICA people think like INHUMAN like that..................

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 16, 2008 4:30 PM

I dont care if Obama is muslim (I know he is not) or a friend of Reverend Wright.

ASIAN AMERICANS FOR OBAMA/BIDEN 08!

Posted by: trttran | October 16, 2008 4:30 PM

"AND I HAPPEN TO DETEST LIBERALISM!!!

Posted by: african_conservative"

Don't hold back, darlin', tell us how you really feel. Did you get your keyboard from that Nigerian king who so badly needs your help with his millions? I don't think his has lower-case keys, either.

Posted by: deeppeace | October 16, 2008 4:29 PM

I am really thinking now
Obama has record of not sticking to his word his record proves it in case of public financing,tax reforms, abortion
In yesterdays debate he was not precise to point like mccain instead he was making general comments, superficially
He has not stood up for any major reforms in senate
He is unclear of free trade agreements i suppose he doesnt understand some of them
He doesn't want to go to nuclear technology
lastly its going to be entire team of democrats holding presidency and seneate majority what would these bunch of people house speaker nancy , obama and democrats finally would do with limits of power. I am afraid now

Posted by: mrn744 | October 16, 2008 4:29 PM

Hey thozmaniac,why don't you go back to your trailer, deep fry some Orio's and listen to Savage on the radio.The bible thumping nut jobs can't hang on to power forever

Posted by: pragman | October 16, 2008 4:27 PM

One thing he could do is throw the towel.

One thing he is remembered for is: no torture. He should stop hurting himself.

Posted by: wrock76taolcom | October 16, 2008 4:27 PM

What else can John McCain do?....Be a gracious loser, go home to Sedona, AZ and take a few anger managment programs.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 16, 2008 4:25 PM

McCain doesn't even care about a woman's health, he mocked womens' health during the debate. You really know about a presidential candidate and their healthcare plan when the candidate mocks women's health.

Posted by: info4 | October 16, 2008 4:11 PM

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Didn't Obama hit McCain on voting against equal pay for equal work for Women last night?

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 4:25 PM

Russia was terrible under communist oppression, but they claimed to be "spreading wealth".

If you know history, were they liars?

Americans actually "spread wealth" by starting a business, and offering someone a job.

Thats how capitalism works.

----

Who cares about more government programs... I'm interested in LESS government programs.

---

-Mark Treat

Posted by: marktreat | October 16, 2008 4:24 PM

In the past 8 yrs, the republicans in charge increased the size of government and reduced our taxes which increased the US's deficit to trillions of dollars. So much for fiscal responsibility. Hey what the heck, ordinary people don't really care about the US deficit.

Posted by: kamote | October 16, 2008 4:24 PM

Hard to overlook the fact that these posts really get active right after the school buses drop the jr. high students. Wonder if Mommy knows what your doin'?

"Turn off the lights, the party's over."
Dandy Don Meredith

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 16, 2008 4:23 PM

You liberal's are so full of hatered and venom that it borders on mental illness.

Most of these liberal posts would be a nice project for a leading psychologist to study.
Although it has been proven that liberalism is indeed a mental illness.
Read about what one of America's leading psychologists has to say on the subject if you have the guts for it, right.......>here
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=56494

Posted by: Thozmaniac
************************
And you should read about the mental illness called projection. People who suffer from this illness often project their failings and problems onto others, with no ability to see the irony. You can read all about this on www.blowitoutofyoura$$.com, if you dare...

Posted by: LABC | October 16, 2008 4:22 PM

McCain could start acting like a patriot instead of a corporate hack. People are hurting and American businesses are outsourcing even more jobs. In my business, we recently had an audit. Guess what? They were actually doing investigations for various Indian companies. Their "finding" was that they could save the company 50% if they outsourced our IT, medical records, and other parts of our business! If McCain had a clue, had ANY genuine concern about this country and ordinary people, he would denounce outsourcing and guest workers, call for punitive taxes on any business that outsources, and introduce legislation to eliminate the H1-B, L-1 and other guest worker visas. This country needs jobs and a manufacturing base to survive. That's an actual national security issue AND the fix to our current economic mess. McCain wont becasue he and every other Republican (and a lot of Democrats) are in the pocket of big corporations. I'm voting a straight D ticket this time around and I'm going to write letters and scream bloody murder until our "representatives" start representing *us*!

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 16, 2008 4:22 PM

Hey treborxela you better hurry up and get going or you will miss Rush.

Posted by: pragman | October 16, 2008 4:21 PM

Mccain was decent in yesterday's debate, surprised by biased views of CNN, looks like some channels of Media are working very hard for Obama.
He didnt answer question of public financing, he laughed at question of washington schools, he was blunt and blank when Mccain said you should have run 4 years ago if you wanted to run with Bush, He gave stupid reasons for voting present.He was not clear what how he was going to address mortegage issue, not clear on nuclear power issue though he says he is for alternative energy.
Yet CNN thinks Obama was best,People of america have to decide like if they want the Media to influence elections this year too like they did for bush last year i see no democracy its all propoganda

Posted by: mrn744 | October 16, 2008 4:21 PM

Hello America,

don't forget electoral fraud. Ohio, Diebold

the republicans commit fraud as easily as they breath....catch them and sue them into oblivion....it's treason if they're trying to interfere in your right to chose, have them executed after a fair trial....publicaly, pay-per-view.


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Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 16, 2008 4:21 PM

McCain lost integrity when he chose Palin to be his running mate. I would have chosen a pit bull with lipstick for a running mate over Palin. My apologies to all pit bulls for comparing to Palin.

Posted by: kamote | October 16, 2008 4:20 PM

Did any body else notice the tremble of Mcains hands when they were not clasped together

Posted by: pragman | October 16, 2008 4:19 PM

I never knew so many people enjoyed socialisim. I thought we lived in a democracy. Oh well, lets just 'spread the wealth around a little' Never mind those of us who worked our tail off to make something of ourselves with no help from big gov, and already give to church and charity of oh dare I even say it--of our own free will...I say once more TAX ME MORE, I DESERVE IT I must be crazy not to want to give tax rebates to those who do not even pay taxes.

Posted by: treborxela | October 16, 2008 4:17 PM

Anyone else catch McCain's statement that "50 percent of the small business taxes are paid by small businesses"? I thought that was hilarious. So who pays the other 50 percent?

Since I once sort of liked John McCain, it made me a little sad to see how old and feeble he looked and sounded last night. I would have felt sorry for him, were it not for him and Palin stirring up racist hatred toward Obama.

Sorry gramps, it's time to hit the porch & enjoy the rocking chair.

Posted by: slavicdiva | October 16, 2008 4:17 PM


Hey frankinlaw, Fox declared Obama the winner, too.

Posted by: monk4hall | October 16, 2008 4:17 PM

You liberal's are so full of hatered and venom that it borders on mental illness.

Most of these liberal posts would be a nice project for a leading psychologist to study.
Although it has been proven that liberalism is indeed a mental illness.
Read about what one of America's leading psychologists has to say on the subject if you have the guts for it, right.......>here
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=56494

Posted by: Thozmaniac | October 16, 2008 4:17 PM

Watch the polls tighten over the next 19 days - minus the partisan lib. media polls such as the CBS News/NY Times scam polls. 14 points lead for the Big O indeed. Like we were born yesterday!.

The scumbags CBS, CNN and Campbell Brown with their "Flash Polls on Who Did Better at the Debate"! They think that they can insult the intelligence of Americans with their 58% Obama and 31% McCain. This scam "almost double" result makes you wonder just how much Mr. Money Bags paid them?

I'm not even a registered Rep. and I'm gonna be dragging every pal, relative and next door neighbor to the polls. Let's see if your "huge organization of Obama election fraud ground-staff can come close to matching the unstoppable force when EVERY Rep. does that, which they surely would, considering the anger you Dems. and your beloved lib. media have aroused! The lib. media huffed and puffed in 2000 & 2004 and and came up with their usual scam predictions but the results sure shocked them, didn't they? Go on, stay overconfident!

All this is coming down to is for Americans and Joe the Pumblers to decide whether to vote the "Talker" Obama or the "Doer" McCain. It's easy to talk the talk, but can the Big O walk the walk?

Posted by: frankinlaw | October 16, 2008 4:15 PM


Is there a bigger hack than Balz? (other than Broder, maybe.) It's all horse race, all the time with this guy. Then he types this idiotic nonsense:

"Why the disconnect between voters and commentators on the outcome of the debate? One reason is that many voters have already decided for whom they're going to vote and see the debates through that prism."

Did it ever occur to Balz that the pundits aren't quite as smart and insightful as they think they are? Could it be that they judge debates on a far sillier, more trivial basis than the voting public?

Hacks like Balz want to see fireworks and game changers. They obsess over sighs and gotcha lines and glancing at watches, conflating these bits of trivia with some monumental character insight.

These guys (and gals, to borrow a Palin-ism) just don't get it.


Posted by: monk4hall | October 16, 2008 4:12 PM

My opinion was McCain did his best job of the campaign but Obama was still better. All the Ayers stuff was defeated soundly. The sad thing is you can make accusations like someone is too liberal and you are not lying just stating an opinion. But when people lie like McCain is being forced to by this campaign it just looks bad. He knew about the Ayers Republican connection and the good he is doing in education and his respect in the educational community and in the entire city of Chicago but his campaign had him lie and attack Obama and Ayers unfairly. That is easily disproven as Obama did and anyone could have found on the internet. The funny thing is Rev. Wright could have been handled in a similar way but some of his lines were a little off the wall but if people had a real picture of reverand Wright they would see he is a great person a great preacher, his views for the most part are conventional But he is preaching to the downtrodden. Sometimes when you are standing up for the oppressed you must attack the oppressor. But the problem is to get the true picture of Rev wright it takes a lot of work. You would have to find the entire sermon little clips were removed from you'd have to read his books and hear from people who know his work in context.
Sorry a little tangential. Anyways I think the old honorable Mccain is still hidden somewhere. He took the job no-one should have wanted. After Republican positions on almost everything were proven to be dishonest and wrong on 90% of the issues no Republican would have won this election. People will forget in 4 or 8 years and they can run the same scam again don't worry.
What I would love to see on Nov 5 is Obama ask Mccain to head a task force on cutting govt waste. I think Obama has remained civil and above the pettiness and this type of move would be healing. Cause McCain even though you can't see it in his Iraq position there is a guy there who in some cases stands for some values and fairness. When the neocons are not pulling his strings as they have in this campaign and would if God forbid he were to win. After he works for the American people for 4 years in the Obama administration I would like to see him switch parties as the things he says that resonate with the voter have been democratic positions. Unfortunately he would have been like Bush running on Compassionate conservatism and abandoning as soon as in office had he won the election.

Posted by: duby1 | October 16, 2008 4:12 PM

MCCAIN CAN SUSPEND HIS CAMPAIGN AGAIN TILL NOVEMBER 5TH.

Posted by: thailandjames1 | October 16, 2008 4:12 PM

McCain doesn't even care about a woman's health, he mocked womens' health during the debate. You really know about a presidential candidate and their healthcare plan when the candidate mocks women's health.

Posted by: info4 | October 16, 2008 4:11 PM

TO "tbastian": Can you see my middle finger better this time ? Why are Republicans such cry babies ? Don't they make you waanna gag ?

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 16, 2008 4:10 PM

gatorsn09 posted: "I feel sad for all the poor hate filled Republicans in this country ... see my middle finger ... *smiles"

Yes, we see you indicating your IQ and we are laughing out loud at you.

Posted by: NeverLeft | October 16, 2008 4:10 PM

All your BASE are belong to us!!!

Now show your support and change your Facebook/Myspace middle names to "HUSSEIN"

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Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 4:09 PM

McCain evoked Herbert Hoover because he remembers it. For most people that is history, it shows his age.

Posted by: info4 | October 16, 2008 4:08 PM

censor ship sinks itself.

Posted by: forestbloggod | October 16, 2008 4:08 PM


One thing he could do is throw the towel.

One thing he is remembered for is: no torture. He should stop hurting himself.

Posted by: wrock76taolcom | October 16, 2008 4:06 PM

mccain is trying to sell a false product.

he will not uphold the US constitution, that is why his Base supports him.

he admitted having a litmus test for supreme court nominees:

no pro-choice, status quo, advocate would be qualify.


Posted by: forestbloggod | October 16, 2008 4:06 PM

Alright you ignorant Neocons:
Here's why Obama is PRO-CHOICE...he was very clear last night that no one is pro-abortion, but he wants to leave that choice up to women, especially when the fetus can kill the mother. Your hipocracy is amazing, being that the laws your right winged nuts created actually protect criminals who kill pregnant women, by not being able to charge them with murder against the baby.

Incestuous rape babies are garaunteed to have genetic defects not to mention psycholigical damage of knowing your father is your grandfather and a rapist!

If this is the only thing left you have to cling on, sucks to be you.

Losers!

Posted by: beaversrus | October 16, 2008 4:06 PM

The Red Baron got shot down again. bye, bye johnny

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 16, 2008 4:06 PM

"DEAR maggots,

How orignial.. McCain supported EVIL BUSH. I guess Dems never tire of saying the same thing over and over again. Obama supported Ayers, Wright and Rezko until it was not politically incorrect to do so....Obama supports letting BABIES die when their mother tries to abort them and they live. Letting a child sit on the floor and suffer until it dies for the sake of protecting Roe V. Wade at any and all costs. When a child leaves it's mothers womb it is a living and breathing human... who has rights. These rights need to be protected... but NOT BY OBAMA. He says kill them, let them die...."

by tbastian

Mr tbastian, looks like you took in every material that GOP threw at you. It's politics and you have to do your homework. Use the internet for some research abt the facts. But if you like Palin, there is probably no point in communicating to you.

Posted by: kamote | October 16, 2008 4:05 PM

McCain evoked Herbert Hoover as a symbol of the wrong way to run a country...one of his handlers should have told him that Hoover was a Republican

Posted by: spitlube | October 16, 2008 3:54 PM

==================================

There Ya go again John looking in the past.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 4:05 PM

Dear John & Barack:

LEMME KEEP MY MONEY JERKS! I'M POOR! YOU BOTH ARE BALLIN' SO DON'T RAISE MY TAXES AND PLEASE LOWER THEM.

I'm no rocket scientist but I know from experience that whenever I try to GET MONEY from the government for ANY REASON... its like pulling teeth.

I don't need more government initiatives to help me live better, I need the government to stop stealing from me so I can help MYSELF live better.

I don't give two sh!ts which candidate is elected, but I know that I DON'T WANT MORE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS WHEN THEY DON'T MAKE GOOD USE OF THE ONES THEY HAVE NOW!

Surely I don't need crooked politicians and professors and organizations spreading my wealth around Washington.

-Mark Treat

Posted by: marktreat | October 16, 2008 4:05 PM

Joe the Plumber is just like me . he wants a good change and he will end up voting for Obama Because he is Smart enought to figure it out. He knows that McVanish is full of poop. any good Plumber can tell when something is full of shuit.

Posted by: chapppiee | October 16, 2008 4:04 PM

I haven't seen that Palin tshirt but I would say it's totally inappropriate. Hate breeds hate and the neo-cons and especially Palin are dishing it out pretty good. That doesn't justify anything....

Posted by: CHICO13 | October 16, 2008 4:04 PM

yes we are so hate filled gatorsn09 , I don't recall flipping you off or calling you an idiot or a moron... DEms always do this and call us haters. I don't get it. Just becuase Obama is a Marxist and wants us to be like Cuba or the former USSR is no reason to get angry at us for pojnting it out.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 4:03 PM

Out of gimmicks. Out of touch. Out of time.

What ever happened to the real Republicans? I guess that's a name and a function totally in the past.

And where are real "conservatives"? Gone too, eh?

Some of us miss you both. Ergo, we're going to have to vote for someone who makes sense, who seems to have some sense, someone who can articulate the beginnings of a real plan, someone who can shake the other guy's hand and not look for affirmation from Mommy and Daddy at the same time.

McCain misses his Daddy. He's had plenty of time to realize that he has to go to school with the rest of us kids and that his bullying tactics and lies are not going to help him get elected class president, no matter how many of us he tries to intimidate. Sorry! It's a secret vote. You lose buddy. Hope you'll grow up before we become adults. Maybe you can become a productive person then, not just a bullying leach.

Good luck.

Posted by: jmod35 | October 16, 2008 4:03 PM

Tom22 - Did I read that correctly? Did you actually say the US should end "immigration from non-European countries"? WOW, unbelievable.

I am very saddened by Americans who are using this election to promote their own racists views - regardless of whose "side" they're on.

Once and for all, I'd like us to unite as AMERICANS, not based on the color of our skins or the ethnic background of our ancestors.

Posted by: ex-vegan | October 16, 2008 4:02 PM

mccain is trying to sell a false product.

he will not uphold the US constitution, that is why THE BASE supports him.

he said he doesn't have a litmus test for supreme court apointments, then said he wouldn't consider a pro-choice advocate:

pre-emptive disqualfication.


less government only applies to regulation of billionaires.

Posted by: forestbloggod | October 16, 2008 4:02 PM

Hahaha!
You liberal's act as if the election has already been decided! How presumptuous!

The silent majority may have something else to say about that come November 4th.
The polls mean nothing.

Posted by: Thozmaniac | October 16, 2008 4:02 PM

It's too bad that McCain is such a wimp - any guy with guts could have mopped the floor with this little sniveling purple lipped Socialist. But McCain has stuck to letting the guy off the hook and of course papers like the Post won't dare touch 800 K contributions to groups like ACORN. So it looks like we get to look forward to an empty suit Messiah - you get what you vote for, and after 8 years of this idiot from Texas we get a complete fraud. My God, it never ends.

Posted by: birvin9999 | October 16, 2008 4:02 PM

Dear chapppiee,

Obama at 3:00Am... scarey thought. I know if he just sits down and talks to the terrorists everything will be ok. They will love him and world peace will break out overnight. Afterall, he si the smartest man alive and no one would do anything against the Messiah. he is the chosen one. If Farrakahn says it it must be true! he will turn his back on Israel as Jackson stated and the middle east will become a complete out of control war zone with nuke flying from Iran ( a small country who isn't a threat ) and Israel trying to ptotect themselves from surrounding country's out to destroy them and wipe them off the map.

But, you'll gete free healthcare since it is a RIGHT. Again, Marxism alive and well.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 4:01 PM

I hope Sarah Palin doesn't take it out on the animals. :(

Posted by: PA_DC | October 16, 2008 4:01 PM

The GOP guys don't get it. They need to evolve in order to survive, but evolution is the last thing a conservative can thing about. The GOP for sure are going to go extinct soon.

Posted by: panchoyu2 | October 16, 2008 3:59 PM

McCain is an angry old man. Anyone that saw the debates can see McCain for what he is, angry and old. We need a president with new ideas not a used up old politican with failed ideas of the past. McCain offers nothing but tried and failed ideas. The majority of the public gets it.

Posted by: info4 | October 16, 2008 3:59 PM

I feel sad for all the poor hate filled Republicans in this country ... see my middle finger ... *smiles

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 16, 2008 3:58 PM

people know McVanish and that is his biggest Problem. they do not like this ole boy at all.

Posted by: chapppiee | October 16, 2008 3:58 PM

BTW...McCain says that Obama is "the most liberal Senator"....wait a minute in 2004 Bush said Kerry was "the most liberal Senator".
These guys should trades notes....ok who will it be today?

Posted by: spitlube | October 16, 2008 3:57 PM

It's ironic that so many of my fellow Republicans (or should I say: "my friends") are dissing Obama for his lack of experience. I agree, if we could wait another 4 years to turn this runaway train around, I suppose it would be prudent. But we don't have 4 years, thanks to Bush, with repeated assists from McCain along the way. Our party has a history of nominating people for the Presidency with limited time in national office: I mean our current VP nominee for one. She's ready to step in as President on day one isn't she? Then there was this other R we nominated a quite some time ago. He didn't even have a high-school education, but the idiot Kool-Aid drinking voters elected him President anyway. Don't remember his name? Here's a hint: dig a 5-dollar bill out of your wallet, his picture's on the front of it.

Posted by: thomas777 | October 16, 2008 3:57 PM

Hey Pro-36. How much does the McCain campaign pay you to work the boards?


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Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 3:57 PM

Well, after last nights debate, it is obvious Obama in the All American politician who has battled his way through the Democratic primary and has kicked McCain's a$$ three times now. It is amazing how many comments that 27% of the population (Dittoheads) can post. The record of the 8 years of the Republican philosophy of "trickle down" economics has shown that it is a bust. McCain still is not savvy enough to see it or can't bring himself to admit it. But no matter, he has blown his chance.

Posted by: Thependulumswings | October 16, 2008 3:57 PM

McCain has done all he can: demonstrate the same dimwits he admits in his book got him shot down to be named "Songbird" by his captors."

Hitler-in-Drag Palin is a "bresh of freth air?"

McCain is a bullethead idiot raised on Capitol Hill with two short incompetent admirals to emulate...and follow them he did...to his political demise.

Thank G-d the Electorate sees through his pathetic bluster and the fact that after his serial adultery, incredible betrayal of the faithful wife who waited for him, marrying the Mob, and taking part in the Keating Five, he is soon to be denied the pychopathic delusion of Our Presidency he acquired between his sessions collaborating with his captors as an intelligence coup for them.

If Rome's Anti-Christ Fifth Column for which McCain is now a front tries to steal this election to make it three-in-row and there is no "fertilizer" for the Tree of Liberty running in the streets, we are not worthy of the name "American."

Posted by: iamerican | October 16, 2008 3:56 PM

McCain talks about "Plumber Joe" but the Republicans only give tax cuts to the rich. McCain & the Republicans always forget the middle class of people in this country, like the Plumber Joes. McCain lies as bad as Bush. January can't get here soon enough, we need the Republicans back under their rock & Obama for our President

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 16, 2008 3:56 PM

mCVANISH IS AFRAID to meet other leaders because he will look like he looks with Obama around him, and that is a crazed old boy who just can't think because he is over powered by the saneness of his opponnets,saneness makes mcVanish nervous and anxious.Obama can stand toe to toe with any one,any where,any time especially at 3:00AM Obama is a leader not a confounded dupe who talks loud and gives hootie blinks with those Haunded eyes his eyes.

Posted by: chapppiee | October 16, 2008 3:55 PM

McCain evoked Herbert Hoover as a symbol of the wrong way to run a country...one of his handlers should have told him that Hoover was a Republican

Posted by: spitlube | October 16, 2008 3:54 PM

"McCain's Conundrum: What More Can He Do?"

----------------------------

Nothing. Every day he drives another nail into his campaign's coffin. He questioned Senator Obama's experience ... then picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. He opposed earmarks ... which Palin hired a lobbyist to obtain. He said he was a deregulator ... then professed outrage at the greed and stupidity of the investment banks and hedge funds. He suspended his campaign and said he wouldn't debate until the problem was fixed ... then sat by meekly in the summit meeting before going to the debate without a solution in place. He said he would control spending ... then supported hundreds of billions of dollars in bailout proposals.

He is lurching from position to position, flip-flopping more than an Olympic gymnast. If I didn't know better, I'd say he's secretly on the Obama campaign's payroll. He's certainly helping Obama on a daily basis.

Posted by: spotfoul | October 16, 2008 3:54 PM

mccain is trying to sell a false product.

everyone knows he has no intention of upholding the US constitution: that is why THE BASE SUPPorts him.

he says, "no litmus test" for pro-choice candidates, then says they would be pre-emptively not considered for the supreme court.

he wants to wear the same smelly shoes as bush.

Posted by: forestbloggod | October 16, 2008 3:54 PM

The author writes: "Why the disconnect between voters and commentators on the outcome of the debate? One reason is that many voters have already decided for whom they're going to vote and see the debates through that prism"

I'm pretty sure the same can be said for the commentators as well.

Posted by: othule | October 16, 2008 3:52 PM

McCain needs to accept that Obama will be our next president. He had plenty of time to talk about issues and instead he chose to divide the country and allowed Palin to inject hate into the process.

Posted by: PA_DC | October 16, 2008 3:51 PM

Dear Gator-ron,
Govt is the solution....??? They run everythging so well..
Marxism is alive and well in the USA. Govt can run and control everything for us.....

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 3:51 PM

Why doesn't McCain just be honest and admit that he is a Muslim?
I have photographic proof that John McCain is a Muslim.
See YouTube video at... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyYaYxRUnMs

Posted by: maphound | October 16, 2008 3:49 PM

Dear CHICO13,

I guess Palin is a C@#T t shirts are ok by you?

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 3:49 PM

Obama may be smooth talking, young, goodlooking, and everything you think you would like to have in a friend. But I'm afraid a friend is not going to be what you get unless you want to do things his way ONLY. IF he gets to be president, I do look for big changes like he keeps promising, but the changes will not be the changes you think. How can anyone vote for a man for leader of this beautiful country that refuses to salute the American Flag, had to be coerced into wearing the American Flag lapel pin, wants to change the National Anthem to something about flowers and rainbows because he thinks the one we have always had is too violent with the bombs bursting in air, etc. I am a True American, you cut me and I bleed red, white and blue. The reason people suffered the hardships in the very beginning to get here was for freedom. And I truly believe Obama wants that freedom to be one of his big CHANGES.
And how will we know for sure that once the ballets are counted that the winner is really the winner. With people like Acorn and states like Ohio that refuses to redo the "registrated" voters with the 200,000
phony cards, we'll never know who wins for sure. I say John McCain and Shara
should stay in there and fight. They not only have to fight the Democrats, but the media as well. It's totally unbelievable how the media can put every word, every movement, etc under a microscope and analyze it to death. I highly dislike the person that wrote in about McCain' stance, his blinking eyes and horrific smile. Maybe they should try being a POW for 5 or 6 years. I just had a shoulder replacement and something as simple as that changed every thing about the way I stand and look.
I guess everyone tries to find the good and bad in everyone they meet, but look at the person inside, don't just judge the looks. My Mom always told be you are judged by the company you keep. Well in that case I judge Obama harshly. I have yet to hear about a good, solid person that Obama has a friend. God Bless America and God Bless us All.

Posted by: mypostidbobann195 | October 16, 2008 3:48 PM

If you want to know who won the debate, watch it with the sound turned off. McCain's body language is all you need to see.

Posted by: rayjbuccino | October 16, 2008 3:48 PM

This is the year that the American people change from thinking that government is the problem to government is the solution. The Republican base refuse to accept that and that makes McCain's problem insurmountable.

Republican's have won with happy talk and culture wars. Happy talk was not an option and straight talk is not acceptable to the base so that made McCain's job impossible.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 16, 2008 3:47 PM

DEAR maggots,

How orignial.. McCain supported EVIL BUSH. I guess Dems never tire of saying the same thing over and over again. Obama supported Ayers, Wright and Rezko until it was not politically incorrect to do so....Obama supports letting BABIES die when their mother tries to abort them and they live. Letting a child sit on the floor and suffer until it dies for the sake of protecting Roe V. Wade at any and all costs. When a child leaves it's mothers womb it is a living and breathing human... who has rights. These rights need to be protected... but NOT BY OBAMA. He says kill them, let them die....

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 3:46 PM

He should quit the Republican party and apologize. Seriously, there are a lot of anger toward the party who was given all the power and trust, then screwed everybody up and *still* trying to blame someone else.

Posted by: Will333 | October 16, 2008 3:46 PM

First Kathleen Parker got hundreds of emails including one that said her aborted fetus should've been thrown in a dumpster. Then Chris Buckley got hundreds of emails including one that said they didn't know whether to boil him alive or shoot him. Now McCain supporters are yelling kill him, they're circulating death jokes in emails and selling N WORD Please tshirts. Just what kinda of Christianity are you right wing moonbats practicing?

Posted by: CHICO13 | October 16, 2008 3:32 PM

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I spit out my coffee when I read this one. Man!! That's Funny stuff.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 3:45 PM

So long as the brain-dead are content to drink 0bama's KoolAid, there isn't anything else to do.

Oh, except stop the voter fraud that might result in 0bama becoming the first President of the United States Banana Republic.

Posted by: NeverLeft | October 16, 2008 3:44 PM

My take is that he should prove himself (as Hillary did) in the Senate for more than 2 years of actual service and demonstrate his leadership ablilities as well as giving us a clearer picture of what he is really all about. If he is that good, then vote him in. Right now this is a big risk for the unknown, unproven and questionably honest candidate


Posted by: lynnman | October 16, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

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Well, my take is that you would not vote for Obama or any Democrat in four years or 40 years.

Given that Republicsns have screwed up the economy, botched disaster relief, and started an unnecessary war over the last eight years, the logical move is to avoid the risks of another four years and kick their worthless butts out of power NOW!

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 3:42 PM

MorganaLeFay said: "Maybe McCain could have Moose Lady shriek that Obama and Ayers kidnapped the Limburg baby and then killed Black Dahlia?"

Yeah, AND Obama broke up the Beatles! AND he's the anti-Christ! Just ask Pro36!!

Posted by: babzilicious | October 16, 2008 3:39 PM

PRO36 YOU HAVE TO ANSWER FRANGLAIS
I BET YOU CAN'T...

THE WORLD LOVE BARACK OBAMA

OBAMA BIDEN 08!!!

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Posted by: fu_buki | October 16, 2008 3:38 PM

The Big O sure can talk the talk. All this boils down to is whether we vote for the "Talker" Obama or the "Doer" McCAIN"?

Posted by: frankinlaw | October 16, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

All the "Doer" ever did was support GW Bush and his policies. That is worse than talk any day.

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 3:37 PM

What can McCain do? Shut up and go back to Arizona. He thinks he deserves to be President and he doesn't.

Posted by: deaneusaf | October 16, 2008 3:37 PM

The key risk with Obama is that he is all marketing and no truth:

1. He is promising tax cuts to almost everyone. His plafrom when running for US Senate was to cut taxes for the middle class but when he got there, he voted against tax cuts almost every time. Remember Clinton ran on tax cuts to the middle class and then 3 months in to his administration he said "oops, won't be able to cut taxes...I have to raise them."

2. In the third debate he talked about restrictions on late term abortions. But he has also committed to signing the Freedom of Choice Act as his first order of business if he becomes President. This act would remove most restrictions on abortions and publicly fund abortions. Most people (Pro-choice or Pro-life) are against both of these and they are not consistent with his comments last night. Is he just pandering for the Catholic vote?

3. He spent 20 years in a church with Rev. Wright but seemed surprised by the type of comments on the tapes. He was never there when these came up and he didn't know about his racial or anti-America feelings. Does anyone believe this? He minimizes his relationships with Ayers and Acorn and when he lays it all out on the table he leaves out a lot of facts.

Is Obama a radical as the company he keeps or the votes he has actually made? I don't think we really know yet. He is a very talented man and young enough to run in 4 or 8 years. My take is that he should prove himself (as Hillary did) in the Senate for more than 2 years of actual service and demonstrate his leadership ablilities as well as giving us a clearer picture of what he is really all about. If he is that good, then vote him in. Right now this is a big risk for the unknown, unproven and questionably honest candidate

Posted by: lynnman | October 16, 2008 3:36 PM

Obama came off like a bumbling idiot. All those weird faces he was making was driving me crazy. And how many more times do we have to hear about Ayers and ACORN to understand that Obama is a criminal?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:56 PM

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You better stop using my words and twisting them all around. I'll sue ya for copy write infringement

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 3:36 PM

The first thing McCain can do to win is dump his health care plan. That plan will hurt too many of us. Our health care is part of our wages, the benefit package we earned. Taxing it is ridiculous and I'm afraid the plan will cause employers to toss health care out the window. We pay 40% of our plan, the company pays the rest. $5000 won't cover a third of our bill. Next thing is to stop his attacks and stop Palin from attacking. It is driving people away from him and the party. They appear more like playground bullies than presidential candidates. lastly he needs to be more down to earth. Dump the suits and get rid of the designer clothes worn by his wife. Both are unappealing when talking to people on the unemployment line.

Posted by: WLCCS | October 16, 2008 3:36 PM

Obama was perfectly content to sit there and allow McCain to drive up his own negatives with angry attacks. There were several attempts to bait Obama with misleading statements ("overhead projector" for example) which Obama could have corrected but would have looked petty in the process. Instead he let them slide and ended up looking alot more presidential than McCain.

Nice try John-boy but your anger issues show and it is turning voters off bigtime.

Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 16, 2008 3:35 PM

Impartialobserver unfortunately we need to repeat it till people of this great country know the truth-Obama IS the muslim communist with the communist agenda for this great country and he broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.So...do we need the criminal muslim communist in OUR WH?

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Don't you love it - if ignorance is bliss, he must be the happiest troll in the country.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 3:35 PM

To the poster who keeps touting Mitt Romney: Are you aware that this man acknowledges belief in the finding of magical golden tablets in upstate New York in the early 1800's and, further, that they have since been taken up to heaven for safe keeping?

Makes Sarah Palin's need for a witch doctor seem tame!

Posted by: rwi1 | October 16, 2008 3:33 PM

First Kathleen Parker got hundreds of emails including one that said her aborted fetus should've been thrown in a dumpster. Then Chris Buckley got hundreds of emails including one that said they didn't know whether to boil him alive or shoot him. Now McCain supporters are yelling kill him, they're circulating death jokes in emails and selling N WORD Please tshirts. Just what kinda of Christianity are you right wing moonbats practicing?

Posted by: CHICO13 | October 16, 2008 3:32 PM

By what measure did McCain "do enough". Only a minority of the audience thought he "won" and he changed few minds. As for the ugliness--I don't think you can equate "kill him" and outright lies with John Lewis comparing McCain to George Wallace. Balz is really stuck in "conventional wisdom" land rather than looking beyond what his colleagues 9and mcCain operatives say). McCain did better than in previous debates, but mostly threw out talking points and attacks. Obama wasn't as on his game as in previous debates but he was calm, collected and much more presidential. McCain reminds me of Bush, in terms of behavior and beiography. He's an impetuous, entitled guy who's gotten by on family connections. His track record is consistently conservative at best, and erratic in many cases. The notion that he's going to "get better" or "do more" to improve his standing is unlikely. Unlike Bush, he fell apart in on election cycle, but like Bush it's unlikely he was ever really that together. Balz would do better to take a long look of McCain's behavior, and look beyond the "straight Talk" edition of 2000. Unfortunately, that would mean asking him to do his job, which seems too much for most of WaPo's national political beat.

Posted by: thebuckguy | October 16, 2008 3:30 PM

"Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?"

Yeah, that's pretty good, but my favorite is "obama's a terrorist muslim who wants to kill your unborn baby and allow same-sex marriage."

Ok-show me one Muslim who's FOR abortion and same sex marriage and I'll show you an Alaskan governor who shares those feelings ;-)

Posted by: franglais | October 16, 2008 3:29 PM

What more should he do? Get out of the way of progress.

Posted by: tydicea | October 16, 2008 3:29 PM

The Big O sure can talk the talk. All this boils down to is whether we vote for the "Talker" Obama or the "Doer" McCAIN"?

Posted by: frankinlaw | October 16, 2008 3:28 PM

Eye rolling, snorting, and smirking are not presidential. I realize that GWB has set a low standard but doing these things is not statesmanlike. I think McCain shot himself in the foot last night.

What's with "the health of the mother." Half of the American population are women. Our health is important to the future of this country.

Posted by: chi-town | October 16, 2008 3:28 PM

What can He Do. Poor little Thing. He Can do the Same Thing He Has Done All His Life and that is :Stamp his mealy little fat feet and Curse like a Sailor. God I can Almost Smell those Flat Smelly Feet and those ragi Socks. peuaw. Hootie and the Blowfish eyes blinking and Hootie hard looks. lol He is more of bush only worse. Of course he is NOT bush But he actS like bush he voteS with bush he thinkS like bush WE'LL JUST CALL HIM mCsAME

Posted by: chapppiee | October 16, 2008 3:27 PM


This column was s p a c e y!

Hardly made sense if the "facts", as outlined, hadn't been
silly and at variance with what everyone saw.

As far as 'republican stratigests found impressive...' God love 'em. They're
easily impressed.

Posted by: whistling | October 16, 2008 3:27 PM

As a CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE Republican I know OBAMA WILL WIN. He's 15 points ahead in the National Polls and way ahead in all the BATTLEGROUND state polls. And if Obama wins many of his programs will help me.

My main concern is programs like Affirmative Action in goverment and private enterprise. White kids today are already less than 50% of the population and based on future immigration patterns white people will probably only make up about 25% of the U.S. population by the end of the century. At that point the President will almost certainly be a member of what is now a current minority and both the Congress and Senate will be controlled by people who are currently members of minority populations in the U.S. I just think Affirmative Action should be ended and immigration from non-European countries should be ended so that the people already here can be better assimilated. You can easily do that by simply having congress ban Affirmative Action, repeal the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act, end the H-1B Visa and L1 Visa programs. Neither McCain or Obama will do what I hope for but I think if Palin became President it's possible she would. We can only hope.

Posted by: Tom22 | October 16, 2008 3:26 PM

If Obama is a communist, muslim terrorist, as the Billy Bobs of this country claim and think that somehow he'll end up blowing up the white house or something, you folks have two options 1) There is country called Mexico south of the border you can drive your trailer to or 2) shut your traps and allow a decent intelligent man to finally clean up the mess your good white Christian president has gotten us into.

Posted by: ryanr007 | October 16, 2008 3:26 PM

Since he's still a smidgen short of having crossed the dementia demarkation, I believe he needs to run naked through the street shouting "Do you know who I am? I'm John Sidney McCain III, that's who I am! I can fix it!"

That final act would remove the last remaining doubt about his temperament and suitability for office.

Posted by: AtltoPDX | October 16, 2008 3:23 PM

linguist64 wrote:

"The question now is: are you going to be sore winners after the election is over, or are you going to take a page from your candidate's playbook and strive for unity? I know the answer: you Dems are nothing but haters, and you'll screw things up in the next four years and ensure a GOP victory in 2012."
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One sticking point on your prediction: There will be no GOP in 2012.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 16, 2008 3:21 PM

Well Pro36, I suppose if you are comfortable being an ignorant liar, then you are entitled to keep spreading these lies.

Thankfully, most people are smart enough to recognize your postings for what they are: lies driven by ignorance. Those who are not smart enough were never going to vote for a black man in the first place.

The GOP party sure is screwed, if its base includes people like you.

Posted by: Impartialobserver | October 16, 2008 3:21 PM

Oh yes, as far as Rusmussen:

" Rasmussen Markets data shows Obama is given a 86.3% chance of winning in November "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

And the RCP average of a number of polls show Obama with a 6.8 point lead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

But who's poll watching - LOL.

Posted by: skolniks | October 16, 2008 3:20 PM

OBAMA BIDEN 08!!!
THE WORLD LOVE BARACK OBAMA


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 16, 2008 3:20 PM

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO. No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:43 PM

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Hey ding bat! Put the crack pipe down your brain is already fried. Those friggin prosecutors are pressing Rezko for dirt about Obama and their not getting it. FOX news just loves to put out what if headlines to make people look bad. Maybe you should ask McCain about his Presidential Transition Chief William Timmons that Aided Saddam Hussein. We cant have McCain palling around with friends of terrorists. Such poor judgment.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 3:20 PM

There is a difference from intentions and cause&effect. Obama didn't't lash out
may have been "calm" but he kept saying things about nothing is wrong with
himself. After doing some research I found several things in the debate taken
out context such as Obama negative ad claim. Which turn out that McCain has
made nothing but negative ads but only through Sept 28 - Oct 4. Overall Obama
done more negative ads with 77% of his ad negative (McCain has 56%). McCain
said Colombia was the largest agricultural importer (really the 12th no idea how you can get that wrong).

I like to give penifit of doubt to both of them, we are after all only human.
I am rooting for McCain cause having only one party run the government tend to
go downhill. Also Obama excuse of fighting agasint his own party was pathetic.
The S.5 bill he voted on was no big fight, 41% of democrates voted for it...

I'll give him credit for his speaking skills and that can you get far. However I am still not conviced he is ready for office with these stradgies of his.

Or maybe I will, I am glade the ballets are secret and picking two people who wouldn't really change anything greatly is a tough decision.

Posted by: Tankdown86 | October 16, 2008 3:20 PM

"Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?"

No. Thankfully, he will be leaving 1/20/09.

Posted by: jimcummings | October 16, 2008 3:18 PM

I don't think there's much either candidate can do to change the outcome of the election by now. But the suppress-the-vote folks are out there working hard. It's a matter of whether they can overcome the substantial lead Obama appears to have, most dramatically in some (formerly) red states. Either we are or we aren't getting to the end of almost three decades of "politics of resentment" practiced by three Republican presidents and an angry, partisan Republican majority in Congress for much of that time.

Posted by: texassideoats | October 16, 2008 3:18 PM

What debate were these "experts" watching. Obama simply made an a.s of himself.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 3:17 PM

What more can McCain do?

He can stick a fork in himself. He's over.

Posted by: angelos_peter | October 16, 2008 3:17 PM

Now this is funny:

"Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?"

How does one argue on the one hand that religion is the opiate of the masses and on the other praise allah? I guess you have to be a very DEEP and special kind of muslim communist to work this one out.

Maybe someone should have told the Mujahideen in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets that the soldiers from the USSR were really on their side....

Posted by: atidwell | October 16, 2008 3:17 PM

Obama deserves to win even more than the GOP deserves to lose. Obama is an inspiring leader who will bring together people from both sides of the legislative aisle. I am sure that he is not going to lose too much sleep from the hatred he inspires from racist, jesus-freak idiots who would never have supported a black man in the first place, regardless of his policies.

McCain's "track record" consists of finishing in the bottom 5 of his lass at Annapolis, bombing innocent civilians in Hanoi, then getting shot down and hel;d as a POW for 5 years... and to the GOP, this is supposed to give him national security credibility?!?

Palin's strengths are her tits, anti-choice views, love for jesus, 841 SAT score, and the fact that she was mayor of a tiny little town in Alaska for a couple of years before becoming governor. She only got a passport LAST YEAR.

Wow. If that is the best that the GOP could do for this election, then they pretty much lost this election before the campaigns had even started.

Posted by: Impartialobserver | October 16, 2008 3:17 PM

MIKE HUCKABEE IS A BLOODY PHONY BASTARD. ALL YOU PHONY EVANGELICALS THAT WERE VOTING FOR HUCKABEE CAN SUCK A BIG ONE. STUPID, DUMB, AND NAIVE FAKE CONSERVATIVES. I THINK JOHN MCCAIN SHOULD JUST WITHDRAW FROM THE RACE AND FORFIET THE ELECTION. THE LIBERAL MACCAIN IS GOING TO LOOSE ANYWAY. AN HONEST AND TRUE CONSERVATIVE WILL RUN IN 2012....I SHALL KEEP MY HOPES ALIVE.

Posted by: african_conservative | October 16, 2008 3:17 PM

Impartialobserver unfortunately we need to repeat it till people of this great country know the truth-Obama IS the muslim communist with the communist agenda for this great country and he broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.So...do we need the criminal muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 3:16 PM

What debate were these "experts" watching. McCain simply made an ass of himself.

Posted by: jimcummings | October 16, 2008 3:16 PM

Maybe somebody should have polled some undecided voters on what they thought about the debate because that concensus is that Obama collapsed like a cheap card table. They did idiot! Obama 53% McSleepy 31%

Posted by: obrier2 | October 16, 2008 3:15 PM

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse
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pro36 Please do some reading, get some facts, get grounded in reality, and then get some therapy OK? I am worried about you.

Posted by: HopingForABetterWorld | October 16, 2008 3:15 PM

About the Polls:

The trend is that more and more people are simply HANGING UP the phone when the pollsters call. All you McCain supporters: Don't get your hopes up based on the polls.

McCain doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning this election.

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 16, 2008 3:15 PM

McCain can turn the lights out. The party's over...

Posted by: CHICO13 | October 16, 2008 3:15 PM

with 9 mansions and $300. million I guess there is not much you can do but fight to not have to pay taxes....

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 16, 2008 3:14 PM

Yay! Obama's poll number are on the rise again. How can I tell? By the increase in the number and tone of posts by neocon thugs on the blogs. Poor little guys - you're going to be out of work soon.

Posted by: skolniks | October 16, 2008 3:13 PM

According to the daily Rasmussen tracking poll, five days ago Obama had an 8% lead. Four days ago it dropped to a 5% lead. With the early reaction to the last debate, yesterday it dropped to 4%.
There seems to be a trend.
More and more people are focusing on the fact that Obama started his political career in 1998 in the home of a home-grown terrorist, William Ayers, who as recently as 2001 said that he wished he could have bombed more buildings in the U.S.
Why in the world would any reasonable American wish to associate himself with a terrorist-never mind seek his political support?!

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | October 16, 2008 3:11 PM

Well, he could try some jokes about assasinating Obama like the Florida GOP is doing:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/16/na-obama-slaying-joke-sent/news-politics/

Or he could send out newsletters like the Sacramento GOP showing Obama's face on fake food stamps with watermellon and a bucket of fried chicken.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html

Or maybe, he could adopt Joe the Plumber who says Obama "tap dances almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr."

Maybe he could campaign with the Virginia GOP chair who compared Obama to bin Laden - oh, wait, he's already doing that.

John McCain has some nerve acting like John Lewis needs a reprimand. John McCain and the GOP are hatemongers.

Posted by: JWAL1 | October 16, 2008 3:11 PM

What a world we live in where Republicans still have the audacity to call someone a tax-and-spend liberal. As opposed to what? A no-tax-and-spend-anyway conservative? Yes, that's much better from a fiscal standpoint...

Posted by: jeema | October 16, 2008 3:10 PM

There's nothing more McCain can do. And there's frankly nothing more that Obama can do.

Obama has done his part to seal the deal. The only way the deal can be un-sealed is for another debacle like the failure of the first bailout bill iln the House. Obama will lose if voters start to think, "we like Obama personally, we think he is more presidential than McCain. But it has become obvious that Democrats do not know how to govern." This is a risk Obama also faces, even though unfair, everytime some erstwhile pro-Democratic demonstator at a McCain or Palin rally displays boorish behavior. Hubert Humphrey didn't cause the riots at the 1968 Chicago convention, but there were just enough voters who thought the episode a sign that Democrats couldn't govern to tip the election in favor of Nixon.

Posted by: JerryinLA | October 16, 2008 3:10 PM

Hey man, If a Obama really IS a Muslim, which I doubt, I don't have ANY problem voting for a Muslim. I'd rather vote for a Muslim than a right-wing evangelical Christian ANY DAY!

I don't understand why being Muslim is somehow BAD? Last I heard, this is a free country.

And by the way, the Bush administration just led us into socialism in a big way. The US government now OWNS our financial system, in case anybody still doesn't know that....

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 16, 2008 3:10 PM

poor john. sounding frail and ill and just plain old. he knows it's all over for the presidency. his last chance is slipping away...moment by moment.

Posted by: demilieu | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM

you know, sometimes i wish these comments on news stories were more heavily moderated. Like, at least delete the untrue stuff, people can still have crazy ideas though. I would hope that by 2012 more attention would be spent to moderate these comments by news organizations. Sure, comments and blogging bring some interesting stuff up, but lately it has been crowded out by people saying really stupid or completely untrue things.

Back to the topic, both of them would have to raise taxes for people, just depends on who. There is no way we can sustain this national debt at 10 trillion dollars.

Posted by: reppster | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM

Here is one more just for u:Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO. No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?


Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM

Ah, the comments on the Washington Post section. Well, all you Obama fans are apparently complete geniuses. Obama obviously IS the Messiah and with his Democratically-controlled Congress at his side, he's going to fix EVERYTHING that's wrong with this country. I wonder, though: how fast will you head to the hills when The Chosen One makes his first of many blunders? I'm a Republican and have already conceded that McCain is going to lose. The question now is: are you going to be sore winners after the election is over, or are you going to take a page from your candidate's playbook and strive for unity? I know the answer: you Dems are nothing but haters, and you'll screw things up in the next four years and ensure a GOP victory in 2012.

Posted by: linguist64 | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM

I love the smell of little neocon trolls in the morning, particularly the spammers who are either getting paid by the post, or are so frustrated they don't know what else to do.

Obama refused to get embroiled in a useless yelling match with McCain the drama queen. I guess Rethugs think this is a Jerry Springer show or something. Obama is the leader here. McCain is a second rate candidate for whom IMO this race is more of a joy ride and ego booster. I believe Obama truly wants to help his country and fellow Americans. McCain is so out of touch with his fellow Americans that it shows. After all, with seven houses, 13 cars and a wealthy wife under his belt, what more can a guy want? The ultimate power trip but it ain't gonna happen for him. He'll just go back to his elite lifestyle and he will probably be a happier guy once he gets over his loss.

In the meantime, the rest of us will have to deal with the friggin mess that Bush, his fellow Republican, liar and partner in crime have wrought on this country.

Posted by: skolniks | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM

pgjaqinto said:

"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Obama's wife is smarter than mine..."


I'm not so sure about that being an advantage...

Posted by: VMR1 | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM

Senator McCain lost the election when he said "the fundamentals are sound." He continues to seal his loss everyday. He sealed it again last night. There is nothing more for to do, Mr. Balz.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM

Pro36: Do you have any idea how utterly retarded you sound when you repeat that line over and over?!?

Obama is neither a communist nor a muslim. Even McCain has made that point.

In repeating that claim over and over, you are showing yourself to be either (i) a liar, or (ii) an imbecile.

Either you are deliberately trying to mislead people, or you are too dumb to know better. ... Neither of which is particularly surprising, coming from a redneck GOP supporter.

The bottom line is that your silly lies and insults are meaningless: Obama will be the next President of the USA, and there is NOTHING that you can do about it. Get used to it, fool: That's PRESIDENT BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

Posted by: Impartialobserver | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM

Well, he could try some jokes about assasinating Obama like the Florida GOP is doing:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/16/na-obama-slaying-joke-sent/news-politics/

Or he could send out newsletters like the Sacramento GOP showing Obama's face on fake food stamps with watermellon and a bucket of fried chicken.

I mean, why be subtle like Palin's racial inferences.

Or maybe, he could adopt Joe the Plumber who says Obama "tap dances almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr."

Posted by: JWAL1 | October 16, 2008 3:08 PM

IN CONCLUSION, I SHALL SAY SCREW GEORGE BUSH, SCREW JOHN MCCAIN, AND SCREW BARAK OBAMA AS WELL. MITT ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT 2012. MITT ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT 2012. CONSERVATISM WORKS..

Posted by: african_conservative | October 16, 2008 3:06 PM

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

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Do you even realize how stupid your statement is? A true Muslim is never a communist, and Obama is neither.

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

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Do you even realize how retarded your statement is? There are millions muslim fofollowing communist ideology ...same like Obama.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 3:06 PM

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:57 PM |

Barack Obama Is a Phenomenally Cool Guy????Then you liberals can get in the line to kiss his a.s.Obama often sound like the retard and a drunken bum.
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:46 PM |

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO. No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:43 PM |

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:40 PM |

Hate mongers and Bigots will always have a home with Obama Biden and their ilk.
Thanks to Fox for revealing where birds of a feather flock.
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:35 PM |

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:34 PM \

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Sorry to interrupt, but my sheep appears to have climbed over the fence. His name is pro36. I’m worried that he’ll get hit by a passing train. He’s not very bright and he tends to stay on the tracks bleating the same thing over and over.

Has anyone seen pro36?

Posted by: Attucks | October 16, 2008 3:06 PM

In last night's debate, why did Senator Obama not point out that Joe the Plumber would likely NOT pay any more taxes under the new tax plan than he will under the current plan. The higher tax rate would only apply to the earnings Joe would have OVER $250,000. With the tax program proposed by Senator Obama, the small additional tax Joe would have to pay for earnings over $250,000 might be offset by the lower tax rate on the first $250,000, depending on the final wording of the plan.

Please don't let McCain gain points over this non-issue!!!!

Posted by: rhodzimm | October 16, 2008 3:06 PM

Obama came off like a bumbling idiot. All those weird faces he was making was driving me crazy. And how many more times do we have to hear about Ayers and ACORN to understand that Obama is a criminal?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

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Oh, you will hear about Ayers and ACORN for the next two and a half weeks until Obama wins the election. I think that you and a little old lady in Peoria, IL, are the only ones who care about this.

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 3:05 PM

What can McCAin do?

To me, the question would be why SHOULD he do anything.

7 homes, 12 cars, a wife with $00 million+ fortune, 26 years of service as a US Senator...damn, that's enough for several lifetimes. If it were me, I'd buy a remote beach property in Costa Rica, stuff it with thousands of great books, greatest music, and masterpieces of world cinema, grab my wife, my cat, my Stratocaster and tell the whole stinkin' world to go f*&^%#$ itself.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 16, 2008 3:04 PM

With Obama, we'll get to experience "trickle up poverty".

Conservative Republican ideology has not failed over the last 8 years because George W Bush sure as hell isn't a conservative in any area other than national security. Government spending needs to be cut back sharply, not expanded.

Posted by: flatlander1992 | October 16, 2008 3:04 PM

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Obama has more money than me...
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Obama speaks better than me...
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Obama is 40 years younger than me...
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Obama's wife is smarter than mine...
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Obama wont tell Congressman Lewis to stop picking on me,
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Obama has a vice president that knows how to speak in complete intelligent sentences,
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Obama has more money than me.....Opps, I said that??? BLINK-BLINK-BLINK-BLINK...
MUMBLE-MUMBLE-MUMBLE
SNORT, SIGH, SNORT, SIGHH
BUG EYES...BLINK-BUG EYES-BLINK
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Obama wont hire joe the unlicensed plumber to flush out the drains at the white house...
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Cindy, start the car, No, I don't give a DA*M which car, just start one and take me home.......don't aske me.....just drive....
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Posted by: pgiaquinto | October 16, 2008 3:03 PM

To all of you who continue to believe Obama is a Muslin and a commie, well I suppose you will learn the truth because he has DEEP muslim roots.
Yes we are in the 21st century,but we cant allow the criminal muslim communist in OUR WH.
Liberals,we don't need your type of mind set, however this is your choice to continue living your life with the hate and fear and to being uneducated. May God bless you.


Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 3:03 PM

IT IS OKAY THOUGH LIBERALS, YOU CAN REJOICE FOR NOW. IT IS NOT GOING TO LAST, AND COME 2012, A TRUE CONSERVATIVE IS GOING TO BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. AND BY THE WAY, GEORGE BUSH IS A BIG TIME LIBERAL AS WELL...AND I HAPPEN TO DETEST LIBERALISM!!!

Posted by: african_conservative | October 16, 2008 3:03 PM

Cornering an angry attack dog is not a smart thing to do, even if the "dog" in question is an old one. My concern over the next 19 days is the dirt: not the dirt being slung both ways in the mass media, but the dirty politics at the polls. In 2004 I witnessed first hand, as a poll watcher in Dade County, Florida, the foul play of the Bush campaign, with those nifty Diebold paperless machines that kept switching votes for Kerry to the other candidate, and the frustration many voters--mostly Hispanic--expressed about the "discrepancy". I pray that this time things will be different, and that every vote will get counted, even Republican ones. But, with folks like Karl Rove and other "Bushies" hiding in the bushes, one can never tell which "dog" will strike back and do the most damage. In short, be prepared--it will be a bloody fight to the bitter end.

Posted by: gkairus | October 16, 2008 3:03 PM

Question: "What more can McCain do?"
Answer: "Absolutely nothing."

McCain's campaign is effectively over. Unfortunately, over the last few weeks he has sold himself out trying to make himself look like something he isn't. His dignity and integrity have gone out the window, and we have seem him revert to the tried-and-true GOP strategies of lying, "Swiftboating", lying more, and trying to create divisions. A pathetic finish for a man many people admired, even if they didn't agree with his politics.

Posted by: Impartialobserver | October 16, 2008 3:02 PM

And yeah, McCain might have had a chance if he hadn't picked Caribou Barbie.

She is going to be his downfall in the end. Talk about BAD judgment! I was sort of thinking about voting for him before that fiasco.

I always liked Obama, but was concerned about his experience. Not any more. I'd rather take my chances on him than risk having the Queen of Denali (or Denial) in the White House.

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 16, 2008 3:02 PM

Did Sarah Palin's "Joe Six-pack" get a job as "Joe, the Plumber?" -- Not a "Mccain supporting G. Gordon Liddy Watergate Plumber," I hope. ----John, You just keep getting sillier, and sillier and sillier with your debate "technique." You sounded more like Daffy Duck, even though you looked more like the stuffed cheek Chipmunks, maybe that's where you keep your ACORNS that you spit out occasionally....Give your silliness a rest!

Posted by: benighse | October 16, 2008 3:01 PM

"I think Mccain can still win if people actually look at just what and whom they are voting for."

funny... i said the same thing 4 and 8 years ago. should have followed your own advice then.

and for those who speak about bias media and what not, take a look at all the footage at the end of clinton's 2nd term. bias my arse.

Posted by: brofski | October 16, 2008 3:01 PM

841 SAT score. That's McCain's VP cnadidate. Can you imagine Sarah Palin and her husband running the military, FBI and CIA if McCain were to get sick and retire? It's Dr. Strangelove in reality...

Posted by: josephbbl | October 16, 2008 3:01 PM

No McCain isn't Bush. He's much older, angrier and sicker looking.

So what could John do? Perhaps he could find some more shills like Joe "the plumber", who isn't really a plumber, but is related by marriage to Charles "the crook" Keating. Or he could claim freezing spending while proposing more new spending programs... that's worked well for him. Then again he could call us all his friends a few dozen more times while giving us the frozen smile and blinking incessantly. I know that's winning me over.

Posted by: Javalation | October 16, 2008 3:01 PM

I AM A VERY HONEST MAN AND WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT THAT OBAMA IS GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT. MCCAIN IS JUST A VERY WEAK AND INCOHERENT CANDIDATE, AND PUTTING HIM NEXT TO B.H.O JUST ILLUSTRATES THAT POINT ALL THE MORE. IF ANYONE ON THIS SITE VOTED FOR MCCAIN OR HUCKABEE DURING THE PRIMARIES, I SAY SCREW YOU A BILLION TIMES.

Posted by: african_conservative | October 16, 2008 3:01 PM

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

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Do you even realize how stupid your statement is? A true Muslim is never a communist, and Obama is neither.

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 3:00 PM

McSame can continue to spread lies and hatred:

**The caller begins by announcing that he's calling on behalf of McCain and the RNC. the call continues:

"You need to know that Barack Obama has worked closely with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, whose organization bombed the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon, a judge's home, and killed Americans. And Democrats will enact an extreme leftist agenda if they take control of Washington. Barack Obama and his democratic allies lack the judgment to lead our country."

The call concludes by saying it was "paid for by McCain-Palin 2008 and the Republican National Committee."**

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/worst_yet_mccain_campaign_robo.php

Posted by: lichtme | October 16, 2008 2:59 PM

MCCAIN INSULTED ALL PRO-CHOICE WOMEN AS FANATICS IF THEY BELIEVE "THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER" SHOULD EVER BE A CONSIDERATION IN A PERSONAL DECISION!!! MCCAIN INSULTED ALL REPUBLICANS WHO EVER SUPPORTED BUSH BY SAYING "I'M NO GEORGE BUSH AND WE HAD 8 YEARS OF HIS FAILED POLICY." .....AND HE INSULTED ALL "MIDDLE CLASS" VOTERS BY IGNORING THEM AND THEIR NEEDS COMPLETELY WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING US AT ALL.......THANK GOODNESS OBAMA WAS RIGHT ON ALL THE ISSUES OF THE ECONOMY, HEALTHCARE, ENERGY POLICY, EDUCATION, AND LEADING AMERICA, WHILE ALL MCCAIN COULD DO WAS BE AN ANGRY GRUMPY OL' MAN WHO INSULTED EVERYONE HE COULD THINK OF AS HE STUMBLED FOR ANSWERS EVEN ON SIMPLE QUESTIONS. === OBAMA AND BIDEN IN '08!!

Posted by: benighse | October 16, 2008 2:59 PM

McCain needs to send Joe The Plumber out on the road (to nowhere) with Palin. They can both tell their tall tales to an unwitting public.

Posted by: Hoffmann1 | October 16, 2008 2:59 PM

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO. No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse


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More lies - Obama never bought a house with Rezko. Rezko bought the house next door to Obama and then sold Obama a 10-wide strip of land that represented 1/6th of the Rezko property.

Explain to me how Obama broke the law.

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 2:58 PM

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:57 PM

I don't think the latest Gallup poll took into account the post-debate comments. At any rate, I would pay more attention to the individual state polls.

And take ALL the polls with a grain of salt!

I got polled by Zogby last weekend. I'm in Montana where we aren't required to register under a party affiliation. Since I didn't specify a party, they wouldn't let me tell them who I was voting for! Go figure...

By the way, I'm for Obama.

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 16, 2008 2:57 PM

To all of you who continue to believe Obama is a Muslin and a commie, well I suppose you will never learn the truth because you don't want to and because you have been fed all your life RACISM.
Perhaps you will begin to understand that we are in the 21st century.
We don't need this type of mind set, however this is your choice to continue living your life with the hate and fear and to being uneducated. May God bless you.

Posted by: JACQUELINE1 | October 16, 2008 2:57 PM

Obama came off like a bumbling idiot. All those weird faces he was making was driving me crazy. And how many more times do we have to hear about Ayers and ACORN to understand that Obama is a criminal?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:56 PM

Barack, Take nothing for granted..... You've got to earn it EVERY DAY.....Work harder....Work smarter....The next 18 days will tell the tale of who convinces the American Public they can do the job.....We know it's not Mccain because he can't even figure out any aspect of the economy, or talk to the middle class, or get away from his good buddy George Dubya---We have got to make January 20, 2009 --THE END OF AN ERROR!!!!.....EVERYONE MUST WORK TO MAKE GOOD THINGS HAPPEN....LET'S ALL PUT OBAMA AND BIDEN TO WORK FOR ALL AMERICA!!!....Now is the time to talk to every friend, all neighbors, also your co-workers, and get them to the polls to VOTE...NOW IS THE TIME!!

Posted by: benighse | October 16, 2008 2:56 PM

BARACK, YOU MUST KEEP HAMMERING ON THE REAL ISSUES FOR 19 MORE DAYS:

1) IT'S THE ECONOMY!!!

2) IT'S JOBS, WHICH IS THE ECONOMY!!!

3) IT'S HEALTHCARE, WHICH IS THE ECONOMY!!!

4) IT'S GIVE IRAQ BACK TO IRAQIS, WHICH IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ECONOMY!!!

5) IT'S IMPROVED INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS WITH OUR ALLIES AND OUR WORLD STANDING, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST LINK TO THE ECONOMY!!!

6) IT'S IMPROVING THE DOLLAR IN THE WORLD, WHICH IS THE ECONOMY!!!

===Now which part of this don't you understand when you VOTE????

----IT'S THE ECONOMY

....and it's time to VOTE OBAMA AND BIDEN IN '08!!!


Posted by: benighse | October 16, 2008 2:55 PM

THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!


Life imitates art.


The Great Debate - Part III


Let's Get Ready to Rumble!!!


Batman (Obama) vs Penquin (McCain)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 16, 2008 2:55 PM

"McCain had a really strong night," said Tom Rath, a New Hampshire-based GOP strategist. "He forced Obama regularly to defend his positions and used that tactic to differentiate ... I think McCain runs to the party base now. He will live in the Bush states and hope to hold it together one last time. This was not about the middle tonight. It was about the Republican right."
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Uh, Right, Just try to seduce those mindless yokels who voted for Bush(the WORST President in our history) to pull the lever for the Flat Earth party once more! Yeah, you know they all gotta be so happy with the direction of the country, with Bush starting another Viet Nam, Destroying the economy, making us the laughingstock of the world after 9/11, Yeah, SURE, YOU Betcha!

Posted by: squirebass | October 16, 2008 2:54 PM

It is one of the strange things about these "comments" that we cannot know which camp they come from. If the "Pro-McCain" comments are not anti-McCain in reality then McCain has sown up the racist moron vote. How can he reach others? The only possibility I can imagine is a foreign policy disaster before the election. Would George Bush produce such a thing for McCain? What would McCain have to give to Bush in return?

Posted by: rusty3 | October 16, 2008 2:54 PM

Maybe somebody should have polled some undecided voters on what they thought about the debate because that concensus is that Obama collapsed like a cheap card table. Obama wanted to run and hide but he couldn't. Obama was wooden and was inflexibly stuck to rote talking points that were completely irrelevant. Does Obama have any respect to repudiate the hurtful comments made by Rep Lewis? Obama is proving himself to be a robot marxist with insufficient respect to give the American people straight answers.

Posted by: TL40 | October 16, 2008 2:54 PM

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO. No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:54 PM

Voting for Obama is like asking an undergraduate med school kid to perform brain surgery...

Kiss away your low taxes people. Theres no way Obama is going to be able to support all of his proposals AND lower taxes for most people.

Posted by: ryanst530 | October 16, 2008 2:53 PM

McCains performance cleared up a lot of things for me. Why is America in such dire straits, guys like McCain in power 26 years.

After last night, I don't think he even knows how to be a senator.

Posted by: justus1 | October 16, 2008 2:53 PM

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:53 PM

McCain would maybe have a chance if he had chosen a reasonable running mate.

Putting Caribou Barbie in the White House just seems INSANE.

Posted by: BudG024 | October 16, 2008 2:52 PM

BudG024 what u doing here every day?U better rush to get in the line to kiss Obama's a.s.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:52 PM

Did I hear this right? McCain gains ground on Obama in Gallop poll. Are you friggin kidding me. McCain got his azzz handed to him. McCain came off like a bumbling idiot. All those weird faces he was making was driving me crazy. And how many more times do we have to hear about Ayers and ACORN. The story I read yesterday said Ayers wasn't even on the same part of the board as Obama. And how can you have voter fraud if nobody voted. He's using the media to push every lie he can before election day. Quit while your ahead before you lose all credibility.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 16, 2008 2:50 PM

pro36, you are truly an idiot. The grown-ups are talking here, so go play or something.

Posted by: cornelius174 | October 16, 2008 2:50 PM

TO ALL TO FAKE & BOGUS CONSERVATIVES:

I AM EXTREMELY ANGRY AND PISSED AT YOU BOGUS CONSERVATIVES THAT VOTED FOR LIBERALS SUCH AS JOHN MCCAIN AND MIKE HUCKABEE DURING THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES. BECAUSE OF YOUR STUPIDITY, A FREAKING RADICAL LIBERAL IS GOING TO BECOME THE PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY. WHY DIDN'T YOU FOOLS VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY DURING THE PRIMARIES. I SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT MITT ROMNEY WOULD BE DOING A LOT BETTER THAN A LIBERAL LIKE MCCAIN. YOU FAKE CONSERVATIVES ARE GOING TO TAKE THE ENTIRE BLAME FOR THIS NONSENSE. SCREW JOHN MCCAIN AND MIKE HUCKABEE. WISH YOU WERE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE MITT ROMNEY. SEE YOU IN 2012 MITT!!!!!!

Posted by: african_conservative | October 16, 2008 2:50 PM

The only thing McCain can do is try to run his campaign with some honesty and dignity and perhaps regain some of his lost self-respect.

This isn't a year for Republicans. After these years of Republican rule, americans have come down with the verdict- failure. Failure of the Republican ideology. We all see now that that there is no such thing as "trickle down economics". The reason Obama hasn't been slammed for his "spread the wealth" comment, is because after all these years of watching the rich get richer while average Americans get the screw job, most americans, like me, think it's about time the "trickle down economics" promised us by republicans, started to trickle.

Cry me a river, corporate America. After paying your employees crap, while passing out "golden parachutes" to your buddies, your time has come. Party's over.

No more Republicans. No McCain-Palin.

Posted by: julieds | October 16, 2008 2:48 PM

Can everyone else hear how desperate and whiney the GOP suporters are getting of late?

This people; is the sound of panic.

It is the same sound we heard from George Bush and Hank Paulson when they were screaming; "The sky is falling!" so they could get their commie GOP $700 billion dollar bailout plan for their pan handling buddies on Wall Street for their billion dollar welfare checks.

It is the same sound we have heard on Wall Street, so we know what its results are.

Panic that is the sound of the GOP.

No wonder all the cool headed sensible American's are deserting this whiney commie GOP.

Posted by: walker1 | October 16, 2008 2:48 PM

What more could McCain do? He could have some dignity. He could talk about issues. He could stop whining, lying and rolling his eyes. He could lose with grace. I doubt he'll do any of those thing, however, as he does not seem to be of good character. And just who were these GOP pundits that thought he did so well? Someone should report them to the cops; they're stealing money!

Posted by: havok26 | October 16, 2008 2:48 PM

pro36,

you are here every day repeating the same "muslim communist" BS.

I don't recall that "Liberals" made the biggest mistake - invading Iraq without cause.

Posted by: BudG024 | October 16, 2008 2:47 PM

This race is over guys... The media bias has destroyed Mccain/Palin beyond repair.

The media has already elected Obama as our next president...

Posted by: ryanst530 | October 16, 2008 2:46 PM

Barack Obama Is a Phenomenally Cool Guy????Then you liberals can get in the line to kiss his a.s.Obama often sound like the retard and a drunken bum.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:46 PM

I actually met John McCain at the Sky Harbor airport on my way back home after Thanksgiving a few years ago. He was checking in at the ticket window next to mine. I mentioned that he represented my mom and dad and grandma and that I thought he was doing a good job. I told him to "give 'em hell", because at that time he was really quite centrist and seemed to be bucking the all-republican congress. He thanked me and went on to security. John McCain takes off his shoes (even if they are pricey) at the security line just like everyone else. I'm not going to vote for him this election because I don't like the way he's had to kowtow to the "base" of the republican party, and because I like Obama a lot more, but I don't fault the guy for his very passionate delivery last night. It reminded me a lot of the wiry fighter he was a few years ago, and even if he seemed a bit dismissive or shrill or gloaty (or whatever) last night, he was more like himself than I've recognized over the past 18 months. I don't wish him poorly, and I don't think he's a bad guy, but I think he came to the realization that he could not get republican votes without adopting positions that seemed very much unlike the "real maverick" McCain that many centrists like myself came to respect and admire in previous years, under different national conditions.

Posted by: ninjagin | October 16, 2008 2:45 PM

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO. No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:43 PM

Barack Obama Is a Phenomenally Cool Guy. Nothing can ruffle Obama.


And the contrast becomes all the more stronger as McCain continued his furious blinking and entered his lizard-tongue-jut portion of the debate last night.


McCain came off looking even angrier and grumpier than he was during the first two debates and that's a heck of feat considering how bad McCain looked during those debates.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZLg_lmx10
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 16, 2008 2:43 PM

I think Mccain can still win if people actually look at just what and whom they are voting for. Barry Hussein Obama is a crack using Negra man that does not even have American parents. I can not vote for a negra...ever to be President.Mccain-Palin 08

Posted by: Scruffy1970 | October 16, 2008 2:42 PM

McCain was effective at being the attacker, but that's mainly because Obama clearly had no interest in attacking McCain in the same way.

McCain always starts off strong in the debates, but he's unfocused. He has a poor temperament and discipline. Everyone thought the turning point was the Ayers, Acorn stuff. He looked petty and ridiculous. He layed out an entire laundry list of attacks that are meaningless to the average voter.

It reinforces the image of angry McCain. Obama, effectively nullified every single attack and pivoted back to the issues. The pundits don't give him credit, but Obama has successfully convinced the American public of more government. this is a complete reversal of Reaganism.

So to say Obama lost these debates is absurd because he effectively laid out his plan, a fairly liberal plan, of how to help Americans. And they like what they hear. He is removing the stain off the word "liberal" and "big goverment", which is much harder to do than say "more tax cuts". Who the hell isn't in favor of more tax cuts? It's much harder to convince people to increase government.

I always thought the republican party is the have your cake and eat it too party. They want to cut taxes but they refuse to cut spending because if they do, they get booted out of office.

americans have to understand that in order to pay for these program and our infrastructure, we have to pay taxes. You can't expect head start, medicare, quality roads, and constantly get tax breaks.

Obviously in this economy everyone needs help, but eventually we need balanced budgets. Are you willing to support your congressmen when they need to cut programs that you enjoy? If not, then when the economy is better you should be willing to pay higher taxes to support the government spending.

Posted by: atacoma | October 16, 2008 2:41 PM

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:40 PM

People are sick of Liberal Congress and Obama rule for more than 2 years. They have brought misery, illegal votes, loss of jobs, a stock market crash, a failing economy - why would anyone vote for a Liberals and the muslim communist Obama?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:39 PM

The obvious rebuttal to ANY slur from the rightwing nutjobs is;

And you would have us endure 4 more years of Bush's policies? I don't think my 401k can stand that.

Or -

Do you, seriously, think that idiot Sarah Palin would be anything other than an unmitigated disaster as President - which is likely?

If the answer from them to either question is 'yes', then you know they are too stupid to continue a conversation on the topic.

Posted by: vote4magoo | October 16, 2008 2:39 PM

"6) Obama showed his policy analysis and chops while McCain got the vote of Joe the Plumber."

And in fact, Joe isn't licensed as a plumber, nor is he registered to vote (and it's too late to do so now).

Perfect McLame supporter. Central Casting couldn't have done better.

Posted by: laboo | October 16, 2008 2:38 PM

As an Independent voter, I will not be voting for John McNASTY McCain. You would think in these days and times we could at least have a civil and adult conversation about the economic issues. But, no Senator McNasty wants to talk about Joe The Plumber, Ayers, and how bad Congressman John Lewis bad mouthed him for allowing racial and violent epithets get outta hand at his rallies.

Oh, and by the way, I AM NOT AN OBAMA MOMMA or supporter. I will be voting for the GREEN PARTY because none of these politicians speak to my values and principles. By the way, PLEASE CHECK OUT AND READ THIS 10/16/2008 RIVETING ROLLINGSTONE INVESTIGATIVE ARTICLE ON JOHN MCNASTY MCCAIN.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain


Posted by: djoh1226 | October 16, 2008 2:37 PM

Actually I guess techinically Obama only voted to increase taxes on single filers at $42K.

Posted by: Cryos | October 16, 2008 2:37 PM

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO. No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:37 PM

There is nothing McCain can do. There is nothing any Republican could do. People are sick of Republican rule. They have brought us 2 wars, torture, illegal attorney firings, loss of jobs, a stock market crash, a failing economy - why would anyone vote for a republican?

Posted by: barbnc | October 16, 2008 2:37 PM

McCain MEANT to say that he likes to put relish under his hot dog.

What came out was some jumbled, Palin-like, sentence about relishing the underdog role.

Posted by: vote4magoo | October 16, 2008 2:35 PM

Hate mongers and Bigots will always have a home with Obama Biden and their ilk.
Thanks to Fox for revealing where birds of a feather flock.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:35 PM

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 2:34 PM

Redistribution of wealth platform by McCain is the same policy middle class had to endure for 8 years -- do we want to continue the redistribution of wealth to CEOs, oil companies, the wealthy under McCain? Under Bush we had redistribution of wealth from the top down putting more money in the pockets of the wealthy and less money in the pockets of middle class -- it didn’t work then and it won’t work for McCain. We have the current economic crisis as proof that eight more years of McCain’s Top Down Redistribution of wealth policy doesn't work. If that is the type of administration you want (which I'm sure the wealthy do), than vote McCain.

Posted by: steveeyes | October 16, 2008 2:33 PM

Hate mongers and Bigots will always have a home with Mccain Palin and their ilk.
Thanks to media for revealing where birds of a feather flock.

Posted by: ukeman | October 16, 2008 2:33 PM

I can live with McCain's grumpiness. I can tolerate his feckless mugging for the camera. What I cannot stand is the notion that this is the way he'd deal with leaders of other nations who are not intimidated by us. If Obama's trip through Europe showed us anything it's that he is respected, and would be infinitely better at dealing with friends OR adversaries. McCain is reaching for the stars, but he seems to looking at a different galaxy than ours. Add that to the image of a Palin in the driver's seat and you have the makings of a Stephen King horror movie.

Posted by: hlandis2 | October 16, 2008 2:33 PM

It is interesting to hear the rightie nutjobs saying Obama will run up the deficit even more. How can they say that w/ a straight face when Bush has put us in farther into the red than in any time in our history. They had to add another digit to the deficit clock in NY for God Sakes!

The truth is that the Dems have become the fiscally responsible party in the past couple of decades. Clinton left us w/ a surplus which vanished under Bush. And it was Clinton introduced a "pay as you go system". Obama wants to reinstate this system.
If the economy and fiscal responsibility are your top concerns then the clear choice is Obama/Biden, hands down.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 16, 2008 2:32 PM

Obama's $250K 95% pandering will change if he is elected. He can fool a lot of people but I don't believe it for a minute.

During the primaries the number was $70K. He has voted to increase taxes for people making even as little as $40K in Illinois.

I think its about as genuine as Clinton's exact same strategy in 1992 where then once he was in office Clinton raised taxes on everyone over $20K.

Posted by: Cryos | October 16, 2008 2:32 PM

This analysis is accurate.

For magoo it is just too little, too late.

But then, he never did have what it takes to be President.

magoo is a third rate temperment (no matter how hard he tries to hide it) with a second rate intellect. Palin is even less.

Obama on the other hand has shown a first rate temperment AND intellect.

Another relevant development:

We will finally be done with these POWs who think they deserve to be elected as politicians, thank god.

Posted by: vote4magoo | October 16, 2008 2:32 PM

I must say mccain did start out very strong and had my Candidate on the defense. The problem is mccain's only offense is negativity. You notice he never ever said the words, I agree with my opponent on this or that. Obama is not as driven by cheer 'blind ambition' as mccain is. mccain gave you a glimps of that by envolving his father and grandfather. Sounds like "W" trying to out due his dad and we know how that turned out.

mccain lost his way early by Obama's success, mccain did not know how to run a successfull campaign. He was to erratic (no pun intended) for people to believe him.

He has not put the country first, his pick of palin truely shows he is more interested in winning than the country. HE has truely lost his way--------

Posted by: AMT64 | October 16, 2008 2:31 PM

thanks for the rundown Drain You.

I am trying to find a way to watch the media coverage over these last weeks and find it a real drag to have to listen to
Mccain/Palin repeat over and over the hypocritical and false statements that make up most of their speeches... talking points that insult the intelligence of anyone who goes beyond listening to speeches; their speeches.

i.e. "we are going to reform Washington from Lobbyists (Rick Davis?),
... abuses of power (Troopergate; guilty),
... Acorn is fomenting one of the most serious threats to voter elections in history (give me a break; this is registration, not elections).
... Obama denied to fund troops (wrong)
... Obama is going to raise taxes on people making $42000 (wrong)

What can Mccain do?
At least salvage some respect and stop blatant lying.

Posted by: ukeman | October 16, 2008 2:29 PM

What more can he do?

What more can he do?

He can do the boog-a-loo!

That's what he can do!

(image is NOT photoshop, check the tape, it's at the end)

http://images.derstandard.at/2008/10/16/1220631450981.jpg

Now who looks more Presidential?

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 16, 2008 2:29 PM

Hey edeldoug better look under the bed, I'll bet there some reds there too.

Nothing like a good smear/guilt by association campaign.

It's intellectually dishonest, but it is also a time honored American practice.

Posted by: atidwell | October 16, 2008 2:27 PM

He looks and often sounds lost (McCain). I feel deep in my heart that he REALLY wants to be president but perhaps he should ask himself if he REALLY should be. Anyone one individual can summon up the courage and ambition to run for office but that doesn't necessarily mean they should. He has absolutely no business at all sitting in the oval office, and now I question his position as a U.S. Senator. After this election is over and he (McCain) returns to his home state of Arizona, he will be far less effective and would have lost much respect from his colleagues who he constantly dissed throughout the primaries and election.

Posted by: texas78230 | October 16, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

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Sad as it is, as said, only one man could be president, and it seems McCain is not that man.

But the elderly warrior has served this country well. Like many of our parents, in the Vietnam War.

At 72, he should avail some quality time for himself, to be spent with family and loved ones.

Fall is coming, and we don't live forever.

Posted by: HerLao | October 16, 2008 2:25 PM

John McCain should spend the rest of the campaign focusing on his positives. If voters do not value his genuing good qualities enough to vote for him, it is very unlikely that he is going to win in any case. Spending the rest of the campaign in attempts to smear Obama with dishonest attacks will just damage John McCain's reputation. One would think that reputation was valuable enough to him not to throw it away in an effort that probably will be fruitless in any case.

Posted by: dnjake | October 16, 2008 2:24 PM

May as well head for the parkin' lot...this one's over.

The only people left in the stadium are bitter enders.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 16, 2008 2:23 PM

What McCain cannot do is to stay on the path of mudslinging and lying about his opponent.Also he has to understand that everyone who doesent agree with him is not the enemy, but that's how he acts.I guess what I should be saying is that he would not make a good president!

Posted by: puredemo | October 16, 2008 2:23 PM

May as well head for the parkin' lot...this one's over.

The only people left in the stadium are bitter enders.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 16, 2008 2:21 PM

John McCain claims to relish being the underdog
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What does he take me for?

Posted by: zukermand | October 16, 2008 2:21 PM

Maybe McCain could have Moose Lady shriek that Obama and Ayers kidnapped the Limburg baby and then killed Black Dahlia?

Posted by: MorganaLeFay | October 16, 2008 2:21 PM

Rome is burning after 8 years of Neoconservative rule and what do the Republicans want to talk about and who are they targeting? The GOP isrunning a three pronged assault on the American soul: (1) In rural and small town middle America they are stoking up white fear, stirring racial resentment, painting Obama as a terrorist and (2) in Florida and other pockets of Jewish concentration, they are targetting the Jewish Community, through RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) and right wing PACS, preying on Jewish fear. (see RJC Watch) and (3) ongoing voter suppression efforts by GOP Operatives in minority communities in battleground states. VOTER SUPPRESSION EFFORTS is all John McCain has left.

Posted by: LondonInNY | October 16, 2008 2:21 PM

He looks and often sounds lost (McCain). I feel deep in my heart that he REALLY wants to be president but perhaps he should ask himself if he REALLY should be. Anyone one individual can summon up the courage and ambition to run for office but that doesn't necessarily mean they should. He has absolutely no business at all sitting in the oval office, and now I question his position as a U.S. Senator. After this election is over and he (McCain) returns to his home state of Arizona, he will be far less effective and would have lost much respect from his colleagues who he constantly dissed throughout the primaries and election.

Posted by: texas78230 | October 16, 2008 2:20 PM

Both McCain & Palin need to pray to God for forgiveness for all the lies they have told.

Posted by: Hoffmann1 | October 16, 2008 2:20 PM

Last night's debate was a small step forward for McCain but was only because he has so far proved himself a lamentable candidate. If one puts aside rhetoric and looks to the one concrete decision he has made to date it is his choice of Sarah Palin as his running-mate. He is a 72 year-old man with a history of poor health & to have arrived at such a disastrous choice exposes not only a fatal lack of judgement but also a disdain for the well-being of the American people at large. Small steps are not enough.

Posted by: tonyharding | October 16, 2008 2:19 PM

Once again Gramps was physically appalling. The grimaces, eyes bulging, and horrific smiles made him look utterly deranged. Forget about whether the ancient, broken down relic would last four years, Gramps might not make it to November 4th.

Posted by: shiva7 | October 16, 2008 2:19 PM

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.1445/pub_detail.asp

See if you can read this without being affected.

Never count your chickens before they come home to roost!

Posted by: edeldoug | October 16, 2008 2:17 PM

What More Can He Do?

Confess.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 16, 2008 2:17 PM

I think that the remaining time until the election will be anti-climatic (unless something drastic happens abroad). My theory is that most of the undecideds are not going to make up their minds until they enter the voting booth, and that there is little either candidate can say to hurry up their these people's decisions.

Posted by: maggots | October 16, 2008 2:16 PM

Here are 10 good reasons why last night John McCain sealed his fate to a sweeping landslide loss to Barck Obama on November 4th.


1) With nervous ticks and non-stop blinks, McCain barely concealed his boiling rage and loathing toward Obama.


2) Voters don’t really like the idea of the steely-eyed McCain having a hatchet or a scalpel in his hands...let alone the nuclear football.


3) The Obama/McCain split-screen images reinforced the Marshall McLuhan concept of TV being kind to cool candidates and cruel to hot-headed ones.


4) Saying "I am not President Bush" helped McCain as much as Nixon declaring "I am not a crook!"


5) McCain dismissed protecting "The Health of the Mother" in abortion cases.


6) Obama showed his policy analysis and chops while McCain got the vote of Joe the Plumber.


7) Obama's smile communicates ease and self-confidence; McCain’s tight smirk is a mask for anger.


8) Acorn & Ayers: If you want to sling mud, make sure the people understand and CARE about the dirt you're throwing.


9) Obama looked warmly at voters in the camera; McCain forgot the camera was in the room.


10) At the end of the Reagan/Bush era, America is No Country for Old Angry Men

Posted by: DrainYou | October 16, 2008 1:57 PM

"McCain's challenge is much greater. Having delivered what he hoped to deliver on Wednesday night, the question is what more he can do?????"

Nothing. It's over. The corrupt GOP is going to get it's 'you know what' handed to them in 3 weeks. Americans will repudiate everything that the extremists that took over the party have been frothing about for 25 years. They finally got everything they wanted and then promptly trashed the place.

40 years in the political wilderness for worshiping false idols. Buh, bye!!

Posted by: thebobbob | October 16, 2008 1:49 PM

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