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McCain Adviser Suggests NoVa Not 'Real Virginia'

Updated 6:33 p.m.
By Matthew Mosk and Christopher Twarowski
Sen. John McCain headlined a boisterous outdoor rally in Woodbridge, Va., today, while his campaign took heat for suggesting the populous region was not part of "real Virginia."

McCain senior adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer, a self-described "proud resident of Oakton, Virginia," said on MSNBC that "Democrats have just come in from the District of Columbia and moved into Northern Virginia, and that's really what you see there. But the rest of the state, real Virginia, if you will, I think will be very responsive to Senator McCain's message."

Program host Kevin Corke asked Pfotenhauer if she wanted to retract the comment, prompting her to reply, "I mean 'real Virginia' because Northern Virginia is where I've always been, but 'real Virginia' I take to be the -- this part of the state that is more Southern in nature, if you will. Northern Virginia is really metro D.C."

Virginia Democrats took umbrage at her description, pointing out that McCain and his wife own a condominium in the northern part of the state and that the McCain campaign's national headquarters is also located there.

"On the same day John McCain campaigned in Northern Virginia, a senior adviser to his campaign decided to disparage the region -- the very area where McCain's campaign national headquarters and one of his eight homes are located," said the state's former lieutenant governor, Donald S. Beyer Jr., now the owner of a number of automobile dealerships in the Northern Virginia suburbs.

"Once again it is clear that the McCain campaign is more concerned with distracting and dividing Virginia voters than making the case that the McCain plan to extend the Bush economic policies for another four years is good for middle class families in Virginia."

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I have lived in Virginia for my entire have generations of my family through the early 1600's. If I don't vote for Mr McCain, will this make me not a 'real' Virginian. Does my choice in an election now make me 'anti-American'?

I am appalled by the nasty the comments I am seeing in this election from the campaigns and the voters...a hint of McCarthy hangs in the air. Scary. Is this how we want the world to see us? How we want our children to see us?

Posted by: ellwyn69 | October 20, 2008 9:26 PM

When American Airlines flight 77 struck the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on September 11, 2001, most of the 59 Americans who died in the plane and the 125 Americans who died in their workplace at the Pentagon were residents of Northern Virginia. They were real Virginians. Their families are real Virginians. So let's just cut the crap, OK?

Posted by: kguy1 | October 20, 2008 2:22 PM

Obama Takes A HATCHET To Small Business

If you work for a small business, its profits -should Obama be elected- will be taxed at near 60% once it breaks Obama’s magic 250K, Because-

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY OBAMA WANTS TO REMOVE THE SOCIAL SECURITY PAYROLL CAP CREATING A 15.65% ADDITIONAL TAX ABOVE THE 3% ADDED INCOME TAX at this level, since LLC’s and Subchapter S small business profits pass through to the owner’s personal 1040!

If you’re the owner, you’re going to be tempted to do more with less and lay someone off-

If you’re an employee- you may, because of this new penalty on progress, be laid off.

John McCain wants to reduce business taxes and grow the economy, rather than squeeze the last drop of juice out of every successful business, large, medium, and small!
Exxon made billions, but why use a HATCHET to treat small and medium sized businesses the SAME WAY Sen.Obama?

“From each according to this ability, to each according to his need”
K.Marx 1875
B.Obama 2008

Posted by: thecannula | October 19, 2008 9:17 PM

That's (the) Right, McCain

YOU bring this country together!

What a sham artist.

You reach across party lines just so you can pick our pockets!

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 19, 2008 2:45 PM

All the liberals who want to slam Virginia as being backward forget that we elected the first black governor (many years back. It is true that Northern Virginia is opposite most of the rest of the state. Slowly though, people from NJ and NY are retiring to our beautiful Virginia hills and starting to impose their leftist laws into Virginia. Their NY and NJ laws have raised the cost of living in their states so that they can't afford to retire there. Then they move here and start ruining our state with their liberal voting.

Posted by: curious3 | October 19, 2008 2:36 PM

So now according to Sarah Palin I don't come from real America, and according to McCain's adviser, I don't come from Virginia either.
-Gretchen of Fairfax, Fake-Virginia

Posted by: zenetanar | October 19, 2008 10:33 AM

Holy cow! As another resident of Oakton, VA and a Democrat, I wish this lady would move out of my city and my state. I grew up in VA and certainly did not move in from DC! Where did THIS crazy grow up??

Posted by: yh132 | October 19, 2008 9:57 AM

Did anyone read in the Washington Post article yesterday that McCain's cancer has returned?

Posted by: friendlyfire1 | October 19, 2008 8:16 AM

Sunday 10/19/08

National Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama 48, McCain 45 Obama +3


"Joe the plumber and every other small business should be sent a list of non-taxpayers so that they can just send them a check directly. Eliminating Obama's commission for brokering the deal could be a huge savings, and the average small business could probably cover this cost by firing just 1 person. The unemployment rate doesn't really matter as long as everyone is getting paid! People don't want to work and they don't need much to survive; they really just want to watch TV all day! For $500/month from their working comrades, 100 million non-taxpaying Americans could be living the American dream!"


You've hit the nail on the head- Obama wants to run America like ANIMAL FARM!

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
K Marx 1875 & B Obama 2008

Posted by: thecannula | October 19, 2008 7:34 AM

Palin is also asking PA voters to 'come back." Like in the 'real' Virginia, the olny people I know in PA who are voting for McCain are those who still us the N word, and refuse to vote for a black man. Racism is alive and well in PA, and in this small backwater towns across the US.
Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: pjc2 | October 19, 2008 7:10 AM

What's this submission error notice???? I'm already signed in. Are you guys being FRAUDULENT ALSO?


Sarah Palin yesterday makes an irresponsible RACIST comment in NC about a group of 99% white people being 'pro American' Now this ignorant moronic person makes another ridiculous idiotic RACIST statement. So the RNC are now crossing the line completely. John McCain even made another comment about senator Obama being a Socialist. John McCain has totally lost his barings, and is totally erractic and insensitive. What a RACIST SCUMBAG....


Because they can be insulting and accussative and McCarthy like?

Disgusting is what these foul people are

Posted by: need4trth | October 19, 2008 6:47 AM

The same people that brought Bush to power are working to get McCain elected. If McCain is not Bush, why is he using robocalls like the ones Bush used against him in South Carolina accusing him of fathering a black child? Why has he for months used negative ads like the one he defended in his Des Moines Register interview accusing Obama of corrupting young children with sex education? Is this political expediency?
If that's the case then McCain is a foully
corrupt man who is no better than Karl Rove in his dealings with the public.

If elected, McCain will completely destroy the middle class by creating and enforcing laws protecting the wealthy and corporations.
He will attack Social Security and Medicare.
He will tax employee healthcare and deregulate state oversight of insurance companies worsening healthcare for millions.
Worst of all he will send the country into a brutal long recession by over reacting in his spending freeze, closing off paths to recovery.

When McCain hugged Bush he wasn't kidding.
His middle name isn't Sidney, it's George

Posted by: seemstome | October 19, 2008 6:04 AM

I moved to Northern Virginia from New York City as did many others, Manhattan in fact.

I hope that aggravates this dreadful spokesperson for McCain. In 2004, Northern Virginia was about evenly divided in the presidential race. In 2005, it went 60%-40% for Gov. Kaine on down the ticket. 2006, same numbers. What will this talking head say when it jumps up to 70-30% for Obama in 2008. People in this part of the state got sick and tire of right wing, superstitious, zealots chosen by Falwell and Robertson.

That 2005 Republican ticket, simply dreadful, did the trick. Some of the biggest margins here were from some of the wealthiest precincts. The Republican Party is finished for a decade here.

Northern Virgina supports the rest of the state through revenue produced by the entrepreneurs and professionals here from all over the country. If this person want's to get real, she can do two things: 1) move south of Fredericksburg and 2) support making Northern Virgina a separate state. They can be "real" and we'll have a new deal without the excess baggage, a modern day, multinational Bacon's Rebellion.

Posted by: michaelcollins2 | October 19, 2008 3:14 AM

Then why didn't she run for president?

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 19, 2008 2:33 AM

It seems safe to say that by the time this election is over, McCain and Palin will have found a way to alienate every American in the country. Not just folks who are vehemently opposed to what this McCain presidential campaign has come to stand for, but everyone left, right and center. They have already shown themselves to disdain smart people, minorities, urbanites, poor folks, veterans, women, news media, and anyone who even hints at dissenting from their limited and bigoted world view. At least we know now they want the GOP to be buried in "Old Virginny" and I think we should oblige their last wish.

Posted by: mnbucklew | October 19, 2008 1:53 AM

"Our economy is structurally sound for the long term"
George W Bush - Feb 11, 2008

"The American people can remain confident in the soundness and the resilience of our financial system"
Henry Paulson - Sept 15, 2008

"The economy is fundamentally sound"
Herbert Hoover - October, 1931

"The fundamentals of our economy are strong"
John McCain - Sept 15, 2008

McCain doesn't have the ability to fix this economic crisis. After declaring the fundamentals of the economy strong, he created a political circus in Washington by mucking up the recent bailout negotiations; a deplorable campaign stunt, considering he and his political cronies helped cause the current meltdown.

It was McCain and his economic adviser Phil Gramm who pushed for the deregulation that helped lead to the banking crisis, and it was McCain's crony Rick Davis who had deep lobbyist ties to Freddie Mac. Don't let others be fooled by McCain's economic grandstanding because the reality is his policies and principles will only exacerbate our financial hardships. That's why you must spread this video.

McCain is being deceitful with his sudden populist message and support for regulation; his economic policies still favor our nation's wealthy elite.

Here's some more straight-talk, my friends:

Posted by: DrainYou | October 19, 2008 1:52 AM

The McCain campaign just can't help itself. They've gone SO negative,everything out of their mouth is now an insult. First they say Senator Obama is a socialist,then he's un-American, then they suggest that other senators are un-American, then parts of the United States are un-American, now certain parts of states are not the "real" state! Is the race to see how FAST you can lose the election, or to see how big the margin will be?

Posted by: winnie47 | October 19, 2008 12:53 AM

The McCain bimbo from Oakton is right. If NoVa were the real Virgina, most of us would not live here.

Posted by: merganser | October 19, 2008 12:42 AM


We heard you the first time on the other thread.

Posted by: JakeD | October 19, 2008 12:32 AM

Fear, Hatred and Division. It's what Republicans have been peddling for a generation. It's all they've got.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 19, 2008 12:20 AM

Bombed? I thought that was all wriiten by Seth Myers.

Posted by: JakeD | October 19, 2008 12:07 AM

WOW, Palin just BOMBED on SNL.

I thought she would at least get one or two laughs, or maybe some applause here and there.

No laughs. Zero. She looked pissed off the entire time. Yikes!
Tina Fey was her usual hilarious self in her parody of the biggest joke of a VP in history.

Maybe it's a small step forward for the wicked witch of Wasilla since she didn't get roundly BOOed by the crowd like she did at the Flyers game.

At least Mark Walhberg was funny. But what does it say for your personality when you get out shined on SNL by Marky Mark?

Posted by: jgarrisn | October 18, 2008 11:53 PM

Wait till McCain gets a taste of "real" Michigan and Pennsylvania...and "real" Ohio.

If there ever was an election where a message is begging to be sent, this is it - and if *you* vote, and *only* if you vote, the message will be on its way.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 18, 2008 8:22 PM

MCCAIN IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICA'S ECONOMIC TROUBLES! McCain in April 08 declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and economic adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, is back with the McCain campaign full time again.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay. McCain doesn't understand our tanking economy because it doesn't affect him.

The $100 Million Man
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.

The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.

The Anheuser-Busch Windfall
While John McCain played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 18, 2008 8:14 PM

Heck fire. Some folks down in St. Joe say that us up in Punkin Center, Missouri, aint real people. But we can vote. We took a pole and us rednecks is voting for Obama. ... .......

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 18, 2008 8:14 PM

Was she born and bred in the Old Dominion?? She wouldn't know the "real Virginia" if it were handed to her on a silver platter.

She'd best hang onto her hat when she sees us 'southerners' in the Commonwealth vote for Obama and turn it BLUE.

Just thinking of having to listen to HER for four years would be enough to vote Democrat.

Posted by: smsbks | October 18, 2008 7:57 PM

If Northern VA is "NOT" the real Virginia, then why in the world did John McCain campaign there?

First you Republicans tried to divide the nation, and now you are trying to divide the states, and its people living in these states.

If that's the way you feel then stay out of the Battleground states.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | October 18, 2008 7:53 PM

chrisduckworth, Thank you, thank you, thank you for a very intelligent, incisive statement! I highly recommend that everyone reads your great comments - thank you so very much for bringing decorum, and civility to these comments!

God Bless America! Peace, love, and happiness.

Posted by: wilu22 | October 18, 2008 7:46 PM


in light of the mccain campaign's attempt to divide virginia, and america, along racial and ideological lines, while ignoring the larger questions of which policies are in our great nation's best interest, the whole thing bears repeating:

"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

United We Stand.

Posted by: jrob822 | October 18, 2008 7:42 PM

O re O writes:

"She is right, real Virginians know real VA. They know that it is not a place where a bunch of liberal pukes have moved to from god knows where. I can see why everyone in other areas of the state except for the tidewater area hate the people in this area. It is just a southern tip of the northeast liberal cesspool."

No, she's not right. And for every person like you, who laps up this type of poilitical pabulum, and is already in McCain's columm, she turns off an independent/undecided voter, who McCain desperately needs to win.

Politics is about winning. You can prattle on about liberal cesspools with the rest of your racial bile all day long after Obama takes the WH, and Democrats pick up 6-8 more Sentae seats and 20-30 in the House. But it won't change the fact that there's a sea change coming in American politics.

Your jive about "real" Virginians is a bogus as Palin's about small town America being more patriotic than other parts of the country.

Posted by: mathas | October 18, 2008 7:38 PM

MILLER123, I share your sincere concerns, but I firmly believe that the vast majority of our American sisters and brothers will see through the rancor and divisiveness, and bare-faced lies that McCain and "McPalin" are fostering upon this nation, and they will rise above it all. Bush has soundly alienated our former allies, and they have made it crystal clear that they are anxiously waiting for November 4th, when the wise and dedicated citizens of this nation will elect Barack Obama to lead this great nation, and he will quickly heal the wounds that have been inflicted upon our allies around the world - they can't wait for that day to come, and I have implicit confidence in the citizens of this country, that they will do the right thing and vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden on November 4th. God Bless America! Peace, love, and happiness.

Posted by: wilu22 | October 18, 2008 7:37 PM

History tells us that pitting north against south is not a good idea. Virginia had a front-seat to that conflict.

When Democrat Ed Rendell won the PA Governor's mansion in the 2002 election, some Republicans showed a map of the state, showing the counties that voted for Rendell and the counties that voted for his GOP opponent, Mike Fisher. Most of the state's territory was painted Republican red. Rendell won only 10 of the state's 67 counties - but he won more total votes by a significant margin. The GOP's post-election commentary was not unlike Ms. Pfotenhauer's comments - that most of PA, that "real PA" voted for Republican Mr. Fisher.

But acres don't vote. And neither does history or culture. People do. And once political parties get into the game of trying to define "Real America" (as Gov. Palin has) or "Real Virginia" (as Ms. Pfotenhauer has), we tread in dangerous cultural waters (as Mr. King commented in today's Post).

Ours is a nation defined not by culture but by Constitution. When political candidates resort to cheap culture war fear-mongering and name-calling, it is a clear sign of a desperate and failing campaign. The McCain campaign evidently feels that it must divide our country (so much for "Country First") if it is going to win in November. And dividing our country is not what we need at this time.

The danger of this "Real America" and "Real Virginia" hate language is that after November, the rage that is stoked by such divisive language will remain. The GOP's strategy is a scorched-earth policy targeting not candidates but voters, seeking to question the integrity, relevance, and legitimacy of large swathes of this country. Again, is this an example of "Country First"?

McCain and Palin should be ashamed of themselves for the harm they are doing to our great nation.

Posted by: chrisduckworth | October 18, 2008 7:35 PM




Rove Political Apparatus
A/K/A "McCain and Palin Campaign"
A/K/A "Lynch Mob"






(Conspiracy to Commit Acts of Defending the United States Constitution)

(Conspiracy to Commit Acts on Behalf of We the People)

Posted by: egalitaire | October 18, 2008 7:35 PM

Mathas wrote, "This woman needs to mix some more protein in to her diet."

Heh heh. "Vegetarians for McCain"?

Posted by: officermancuso | October 18, 2008 7:35 PM

The neocon's and republicans use the term "LIBERAL" alot....lets look at the definition of the word "LIBERAL"

LIBERAL; Favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

LIBERAL; Favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression:

LIBERAL; Of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies

LIBERAL; Free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.

LIBERAL; Open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

LIBERAL; Characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.

LIBERAL; Given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.

LIBERAL; of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.

Based on the difinition of the word LIBERAL....JESUS was a LIBERAL !

Thats why going to a Sarah Plain Stupid rally...or McSAME rally...the crowds scream to murder the wrong guy.

2000 years ago...the crowds screamed for the release of Barabas and the death of Jesus.

2000 years ago the world saw neocons....republicans...they were screaming for the death of Jesus and the release of Barabas...2000 years and nothings changed !

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 18, 2008 7:33 PM

Nancy Pfotenhauer, take your "If you will" and shove it!

There you go again with the same division and hate vomited up by the McCain/Palin organization.

May I respond to that by saying "No I won't" separate Virginia or any other state of our union, which are indeed "OUR UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!". If I could underline "with emphasis" UNITED, I would but since this message board does not have the option of underlining I capitalize it.

You just don't get it Nancy, the country needs to be UNITED now behind a common cause of healing the wounds of greed of the very wealthy and powerful and not the narrow interests of division and hate that you and your cohorts espouse!!

Posted by: imiga | October 18, 2008 7:33 PM

I think this years tax return for Obama will show he is a millionaire with increased book sales. Obama see the unfairness of the rich getting richer while the middle class and poor are squeezed. He and Michelle made it whether they went into politics or not. He has spent more on his ground game after losing NH than any politician I can think of. His appeal for small and wealthy liberals donations without corporate money has built a war chest that McCain could not attain. McCain took a loan against the federal dollars so was locked in. Obama seeing the better than 2-1 advantage took full advantage. McCain is no racist and voted against MLK holiday for votes. Obama is no racist and stayed in a 6000 member church for votes. McCain entertained Hagee a bit for votes. These are non-issues. McCain saying Obama voted against Breyer to me is an issue when Palin takes over. The military probably feels the same way.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 18, 2008 7:27 PM

John McCain and Sarah "McPalin" are an embarrassment to America! McCain shoots from the hip, and he spends most of his time denigrating Barack Obama, and trying to cover up for his big-mouth misstatements. He injected Joe the plumber into the last debate without ever having spoken to the man, nor did he have brains enough to vet the man before talking about him during the debate. As it turns out the man is NOT a licensed plumber; he does not make a hundred thousand dollars, no less $250,000; and he is behind in his taxes to the state; and he probably has turned the spotlight on his employer, who just might be scrutinized to ascertain if he has declared all of his income. McCain left the campaign and went to Washington and said he would not return for the second debate until there was a rescue plan in place to save our economy; he lied like a dog, because he returned to the debate and there was not even a semblance of a rescue plan in place. The man is evil, angry, and old! "McPalin" is just a big-mouth with little style and no substance. My deepest sympathy is with the great people of Alaska, because they deserve much better.

Someone once said, "It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think that you are ignorant, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt." I highly recommend that philosophy for many of the people who have posted down-right ignorant comments herein. God Bless America; peace, love, and happiness.

Posted by: wilu22 | October 18, 2008 7:25 PM

McCain's campaign is always about division. Now its Metros Va vs "Real Va"
I'll be so happy when this all over because healing this country is going to be a big problem.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 18, 2008 7:25 PM

I've been living in Northern Virginia for 17 years. Whatever John McCain may think, I am a "real," taxpaying Virginian. And his campaign is a "real" joke.

Posted by: lydgate | October 18, 2008 7:24 PM

McSAMES strategy is driven by desparation. He has no options left....except to divide and conquer.
Divide Americans from north and south, east and west, Catholics, Presbyterians, Ortho Jews, Protestants, Reform Jews, Lutherans, Muslims, Hindus, Conservative Jews, Atheists,

Even individual states will be divided, regions will be divided.

Economic stratifications will be expanded and exploited by McSAME,
Blue collar, White collar, College educated, Private education, Public educated, White, Black, Yellow, Red, Brown...its McSames only game.

4 years ago Bush swiftboated McSAME swiftboats.

4 years ago Bush purged the polls of all common McSAME purges the polls.

4 years ago Bush played on peoples McSAME plays on peoples fears.

4 years ago Bush exploited the ignorant poor to distribute Americas wealth to the chosen McSAME wants to keep the pig trough full of slop for the chosen exploitation of the ignorant poor.

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131 (216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 18, 2008 7:21 PM

She is right, real Virginians know real VA. They know that it is not a place where a bunch of liberal pukes have moved to from god knows where. I can see why everyone in other areas of the state except for the tidewater area hate the people in this area. It is just a southern tip of the northeast liberal cesspool.

Posted by: 12oreo | October 18, 2008 7:18 PM

What more do you need to hear about others not being their kind of American? AL Republican leaders using "Uppity Obama", KY leaders using "That boy should not have his finger on the button" and the rancid comments from various Virginians. Saying look how different is not what Virginian hospitality is about. The Republicans want to divide, the Democrats want to include as prefaced by Casey putting forth his pro life views at the Democratic convention.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 18, 2008 7:16 PM

The seeds of this sort of divisiveness and bigotry have been sown for eight years by the Bush administration, and McCain is showing just how little he meant his claims to be bringing a change to the tone in Washington. He is going to run a campaign that stokes up this kind of garbage and then "reach across the aisle?" The notion that you have to be Republican or southern or from a small town or white to be a "real" American or a real Virginian is an insult to everything America acually stands for. These people who want to export democracy abroad, but they don't even know what it means. Freedom of speech, and in particular, dissent, is American. Separation of Church and State is American. The melting pot is American. People who live in Northern Virginia and DC have fought and died for their country. Democrats have fought and died for their country. Democrats get up in the morning and go to work and educate their children and pay their taxes and love their country. The arrogance and smugness and smallmindedness of today's Republican leaders, from the VA McCain campaign to Sarah Palin, is staggering. And to call Obama a socialist? This after George Bush himself had the federal government take over ownership of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the government take over ownership of the banks? It's not socialism to give 700 billion to Wall Street and tax breaks to Exxon but it's socialism to raise taxes on the rich and cut them for the middle class?

I can't wait for election day.

Posted by: fmjk | October 18, 2008 7:12 PM

Once again, truckload of leftover Republicans are still playing “George Allen Macaca” type of politics in Virginia. Their days are numbered anyway.
We will not hear from them for many generations to come.

Posted by: AdvantaRipOff | October 18, 2008 7:10 PM

jrob822 wrote, "Clearly, the McCain campaign is appealing to what Lincoln would have called the lesser angels of our nature."

That bears repeating.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 18, 2008 7:04 PM

This woman needs to mix some more protein in to her diet.

Real VA ?

This rather reminds me of that blunder former Senator George Allen made in 2006, welcoming "maccaca" to America, while campaigning somewhere in southwestern VA. Not only was the kid a VA resident, but a student at U-VA, working on the Webb campaign, who was a natural born citizen.

All the geographical areas this woman mentioned are predominately inhabitated by white folks. This is essentially what the McCain campaign (and their surrogates) has boiled down to. Racist inferences, socialist slurs, real America taunts, and the like aimed at white voters.

I don't need Palin or that goofy Congresswoman Michele Bachmann(R MN 6) impugning my love of country or my patriotism based on where I happen to reside or who I support politically.

Sad, pathetic and desperate.

Posted by: mathas | October 18, 2008 7:01 PM


I am on the local police oversight board -- this is a valid concern -- I'm not "channeling" anyone else.

Posted by: JakeD | October 18, 2008 6:58 PM

Yup, yup. It takes a "real Virginia" to vote for a phony war hero and phony maverick.

Posted by: mnjam | October 18, 2008 6:55 PM

How insulting!

Posted by: Mara_Seaforest | October 18, 2008 6:55 PM

mccain's become a geezeball.

in the first debate he flat out lied about barack's tax plan, mischaracterized it completely.

a few months ago he said the economy was strong, and before that he voted for an unjust and illegal war and continues to insist we can 'win', though ya cannot win by killing innocent women and children, torturing, disregarding international law, and alienating your allies.

instead of repudiating palin's hate speech, he accepted the absurd, and is no longer part of the rational public dialogue.

Posted by: e9999999 | October 18, 2008 6:55 PM

Posted by: IIntgrty

Obama's principal focus is: spread the wealth; i.e. take from those who work and give it to those who don't through taxes."


Are you really this ignorant?

If you are unemployed, you earn NO paycheck. Therefore, one who does not earn a salary or wages, pays NO TAXES. And thus, this person would not reap the benefits of Obama's plan, which calls for lesser taxes for those paying into the system who earn less than $25O,OOO per year.

Get your head out of the sand.

Posted by: sloppyawn | October 18, 2008 6:53 PM

In a twisted sort of way I almost want McCain to win this election because four more years worth of failed Bush/McCain policies would for all intents and purposes be the end of the Republican party as we know it today. They would become the 4th party gadflies that they deserve to be.

The only question is, would this country survive it?

You people out there who live in economic downtrodden states like Ohio, West Virgina and Pa etc, if you are stupid enough to vote for McCain you will deserve every single bit of economic hardship that a McCain presidency will give you.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 18, 2008 6:53 PM


That's not demagogy. Last time I checked the Gallup poll among "likely" voters and the AP/Yahoo poll, McCain was behind by only two points -- I know a little something about police planning -- that's enough chance in my book to be planning, even if you aren't a racist.

Posted by: JakeD | October 18, 2008 6:53 PM

Jake, once upon a time back in the primary season we had some honest debates about issues. I am sorry to see you so blatant in your embrace of the new McCarthyism (or perhaps more accurately from the same era, your channeling of Strom Thurmond). By the way, I made my first political contribution in 30 years today, to Elwyn Tinklenberg. His Katherine Harris look-alike opponent in MN's 6th House district is the poster child for for the G-Oil-P's lost ways.


Do you think there will be race riots if McCain wins? Then you will see some "hate".

Posted by: JakeD |

Posted by: flarrfan | October 18, 2008 6:51 PM

Of course the places the McCain campaign are losing aren't real.


Posted by: jelow | October 18, 2008 6:51 PM

Why the hell is the only thing I'm reading about on nearly all the major newspapers and networks sites: McCain, Palin, McCain, Palin, McCain, Palin...

May I remind the mainstream media, which is obviously doing everything to make this presidential election "close" again, that Barack Obama just had a rally with more than 100,000 visitors in MO?

And yes, he also had to say some important things about the latest McCain-Palin demagoguery. But the only thing I've seen here and on other MSM sites, all day long, is more of the McCain "Joe the Plumber" lies and distortions...

Posted by: DiversEquality2008 | October 18, 2008 6:50 PM

This woman is an idiot shrill . . here's what she said about the hurricanes and the safety of off-shore drilling: from wiki

""On August 4, 2008, on Newshour, Ms Pfotenhaur stated her belief in the the safety of offshore oil drilling. "And we had evidence, because we had survived some really fairly horrific storms, with Katrina and Rita, and seen that the technology was pretty remarkable and that there were no significant spills during that period of time."[citation needed]

However, a Houston Chronicle review of the hundreds of spills reported after the two hurricanes concluded, "The quantity and cumulative magnitude of the 595 spills, which were spread across four states and struck offshore and inland, rank these two hurricanes among the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history." The reported spills were from "oil and chemicals stored at massive industrial facilities, in pipelines and on platforms." The breakdown of onshore versus offshore spills is not clear. [5] ""

Posted by: delantero | October 18, 2008 6:50 PM

The suggestion that there is a "real" Virginia or a "real" America infers that if McCain loses, then the election can be considered illiegitimate by the losers.

We haven't heard this kind of garbage since 1859.

What happens if McCain goes down? Will the "real" Virginians feel entitled to not pay taxes, or obey the speed limits, or yank their kids out of the schools because the "unreal" ones are in charge?

Will they open fire on Fort Sumter?

McCain is playing with fire here.

Posted by: Attucks | October 18, 2008 6:50 PM

First Palin, then Bachman and now this trout mouth, botoxed ninny. The fun never ends...

Posted by: LABC | October 18, 2008 6:50 PM

Is it possible for the McCain campaign to go just ONE day without insulting millions of Americans? Today, parts of Virginia are not the "real" Virginia. Yesterday, only some areas of the U.S. are "pro-America". Couple that with the ugly name-calling that comes from McCain-Palin, and you have a Presidential and VP candidate that have shown they don't have the morals or ethics to be in the White House.

Posted by: DogBitez | October 18, 2008 6:49 PM

Uh, sister, I've been here since 1973.

I'm the real Virginia. And by the way, so is my military family . . . and they aren't voting McCain either.

Take that trollop!

Posted by: delantero | October 18, 2008 6:49 PM

Uh, sister, I've been here since 1973.

I'm the real Virginia. And by the way, so is military family . . . and they aren't voting McCain either.

Take that trollop!

Posted by: delantero | October 18, 2008 6:48 PM

I predict that this will work just as well as what Howard Wolfson said in behalf of Hillary Clinton in the primaries, about the "states that count" and those that don't.

Posted by: orrg1 | October 18, 2008 6:47 PM

If anything, Northern Virginia is Virginia. There's a reason we can't stand the rest of them.

Posted by: esajudita | October 18, 2008 6:43 PM

Clearly, the McCain campaign is appealing to what Lincoln would have called the lesser angels of our nature.

Plainly put, they are trying to tell people that real Americans are white Americans and that white Americans vote for McCain... because he's white.

But, here's the thing: this is 2008, not 1968. And this white boy is voting for Obama; not because of pigment, but because he has a better vision for America. His policies for peace, prosperity, education, health care, energy independence, and environmental awareness are far superior to what McCain would bring to the table: more death and destruction.

Obama/Biden '08
Because where there is no vision, the people shall perish

Posted by: jrob822 | October 18, 2008 6:42 PM

I can't believe nobody has brought up the last guy who made a similar statement. I mean who could forget "welcome to the real world of Virginia" by our former Senator Allen. I know it doesn't apply in the same way, but there is still that us and them kind of mentality here.

Posted by: mrmcross | October 18, 2008 6:42 PM

McCain's platform supports the interests of Americans best.
Obama's principal focus is: spread the wealth; i.e. take from those who work and give it to those who don't through taxes. The problem with this is, it does not solve the problem of the poor - they never learn how to do for themselves, a necessary qualification for gaining adulthood.
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; TEACH a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

Posted by: IIntgrty | October 18, 2008 6:42 PM

McCain's platform supports the interests of Americans best.
Obama's principal focus is: spread the wealth; i.e. take from those who work and give it to those who don't through taxes. The problem with this is, it does not solve the problem of the poor - they never learn how to do for themselves, a necessary qualification for gaining adulthood.
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; TEACH a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

Posted by: IIntgrty | October 18, 2008 6:41 PM

JakeD asked, "You don't believe in public safety planning?"

I don't believe there's a positive correlation between demagogy ("a political strategy for obtaining and gaining political power by appealing to the popular prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public — typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda") and public safety.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 18, 2008 6:40 PM

Eh. They've done so many truly objectionable things to be offended by that I really couldn't care less they don't count NoVA (which most say is the economic engine of the state) as a real place. Maybe they will soon come to deny the existence of all the blue states.

Posted by: sarahabc | October 18, 2008 6:35 PM

Well Obama is running strong in the Tidewater region.. will McCain later suggest that region is also not the real VA. Classic Nixonian Politics of resentment. He is attempting to drive a cultural wedge down the state, to hopefully come out on the winning side.

Posted by: case3 | October 18, 2008 6:31 PM

PS - If this lobbyist lives in Oakton, well, Oakton ia wonderful enclave in Northern Virginia. So she is a part of what McCain's brother called "communists".

BTW - My family lives in Warrenton and Manassas (is that the real VA?) and they are voting for Obama!

Posted by: onehitwonder | October 18, 2008 6:29 PM

McCain is for the biggest wealth transfer of all. Instead of allowing people with employer health benefits to keep their tax free benefit, he wants to tax those benefits while giving a tax "credit" to all. The net result is that families with employer health benefits -- the last line of security beyond pay -- will have them weakened, and be forced to buy big insurer health plans from managed care with reduced benefits and less or no employer help. McCain is robbing Peter to create a phantom benefit for Paul.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | October 18, 2008 6:29 PM

The populous part is not "the real Virginia?" Maybe not, but it's got more votes!

Posted by: thrh | October 18, 2008 6:28 PM

I was fortunate enough to be in the Shenandoah Valley during the 2006 elections (any time spent there counts as "fortunate" to me), and I remember being surprised by the number of Webb for Senate signs on prosperous farmland.

Republican government these past eight years hasn't just disgusted urban blacks and yuppies - as I expect Ms. Pfotenhauer will learn to her dismay on election night.


Posted by: officermancuso | October 18, 2008 6:27 PM




Posted by: kkrimmer | October 18, 2008 6:27 PM

Well, the reality is that Northern Virginia voted against secession in the 1860s.

Posted by: Bob999 | October 18, 2008 6:27 PM


You don't believe in public safety planning?

Posted by: JakeD | October 18, 2008 6:24 PM

But she is a Washington insider...and a lobbyist for that matter.

Posted by: onehitwonder | October 18, 2008 6:18 PM


As soon as you answer my question to you, I will be more than happy to answer your questions.

Posted by: JakeD | October 18, 2008 6:15 PM

We live in rural Missouri - some people call us rednecks. Is the McCain adviser suggesting that we are not smart enough to get simple ideas like economics.. We are rednecks and we are voting for Obama. ...............

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 18, 2008 6:09 PM

JakeD wrote, "Do you think there will be race riots if McCain wins? Then you will see some 'hate'."

This is what the party of Lincoln has been reduced to.

Time for that party to spend some time in the wilderness.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 18, 2008 6:09 PM

As someone who has lived in VA for all of my almost 30 years, I take great offense at the suggestion that just because I now live in Arlington, I'm not part of "real Virginia". I was born in Richmond and have lived in Virginia Beach, Roanoke, Winchester and now Arlington. If they think that because I don't agree with the outrageous behaviors exhibited by McCain and his campaign and I live in northern VA means I'm not a real American, then I think they've just shown me why there should NOT be a McCain Administration.

Posted by: fedup81 | October 18, 2008 6:03 PM

By "real Virginia" which is shorthand for "real Americans" that fembot was surely also referring to "real white people".

The Republican political playbook of lying, cheating, stealing and race-baiting is getting a little old.

Out with the Nazis.

Posted by: jrob822 | October 18, 2008 6:02 PM

Okay, so can we isolate who IS a "real American" according to the Grampy McCain - Caribou Barbie campaign?

Because so far they are not...:

From Northern Virginia.

Anyone left of center.

Anywhere in New England (is Liar Joe Lieberman a "real American"?)

Anywhere in an urban or metropolitan area (is Rudy Guiliani a "real American"? Or indeed anyone in NYC?)

Any Democrat (except, maybe, for Liar Joe Lieberman)

Anyone who is pro-choice or believes in "exceptions for the health of the mother" (in full, snide, McCain quotes).

Anyone who feels that global warming is not a "hoax".

Anyone who is not a fundamentalist, right wing Christian.

Anyone "in the media" (except for Faux News?)

Any intellectuals. Even the conservative ones.

Am I missing anyone --- and, who's left?!

Posted by: DrainYou | October 18, 2008 5:54 PM


Do you think there will be race riots if McCain wins? Then you will see some "hate".

Posted by: JakeD | October 18, 2008 5:51 PM


You don't see US interfering in your elections, do you?

Posted by: JakeD | October 18, 2008 5:49 PM

This is all goes to reinforce a phenomenon.

"Anti-American", "Socialist", "real" America, etc., all represent a GOP is being reborn, before our eyes, as a niche party.

As many have noted, there is a crackup coming. The Republican party is splintering and the grand Reagan coalition of social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and foreign policy hawks is coming apart at the seams. The reasons for this all lie in the abject incompetence of the Bush administration.

The social conservatives have overreached with government meddling in people's lives i.e. Terri Schiavo, no abortion even after rape and incest, etc.

The fiscal conservatives have seen government spending explode under Bush and our national debt double.

And the foreign policy hawks have seen their best intentions buried under the sands of Iraq.

What will be the result of this splintering?

At first, niche status as the forces of Palinism continue to dominate the GOP. Eventually, a third party (at first of the mind, eventually, in practice) will splinter off.

I don't know who will retain the mantle of true Republican (they will both claim it) but the two parties will look like this:

One will be a white, working class, hard right, Christian, anti-intellectual party led by Sarah Palin.

The other will revert to classic conservatism in the Buckley mold governed by intellectuals and ideas. Not sure who will lead this one. Romney, perhaps?

The schism will be inflamed by the deep racial, nativist biases that have long lurked, sometimes at the surface, within the heart of the GOP. The practical result will be a long period out of power for this new, niche party...

Posted by: nahnopenotquite | October 18, 2008 5:47 PM

I've never seen democracy in such a divisive, arrogant, elitist way. Class warfare is what John McCain is about. Distributing the wealth sounds horrible to him, well McCain looks like the middle class are distributing the wealth to you and your friends. Idiot.

Posted by: canadagirl | October 18, 2008 5:38 PM

I agree with that man that's known him for 20 yrs. He is deceitful, he is a coward, a fraud and why, why doesn't the point out his own domestic terrorist G. G. Liddy. Ayres is an alter boy compared to this idiot. Why, doesn't any call McCain on every thing that comes out of his mouth is alie. He's the elitist, he's the one making money from these wall street fallen ruins. Every friend he has including Renzi from Arizona is crooked. And he's not? He's so righteous? His crooked talk express and doubletalk speech's are more than any American should want to hear.

Posted by: canadagirl | October 18, 2008 5:35 PM

The Wingnuts are seeing their 90's power grap being yanked away from them and they're throwing a tantrum. After controlling the White House for the last eight years and controlling Congress for ten of the last twelve years they've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that conservatism is a failed ideology and now they're panicking.

The breathtaking ignorance that presides over most McCain/Palin rallies is incredible. The GOPer base is in rare hate-filled form. There really is no wonder the crowds have turned into near lynch mobs. Between the hate filled rhetoric of McCain and Palin and the ignorance of the crowds, it would only take the slightest match to set off this powder keg of racial intolerance, religious fear mongering and all out rightwing lunitic fringe hate:

Posted by: DrainYou | October 18, 2008 5:30 PM

In other news, if we had elected Strom Thurmond as President back in 1948, we wouldn't be having all these problems.

Posted by: JakeD | October 18, 2008 5:23 PM

Please read this article and get to know the Real John McCain. This is sad! You can tell a lot about a man’s character by the way he treats his love ones…..
This is a quote, but read the article from the link below...
"Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights, said: ‘I have been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is – deceit.
‘When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it.
‘Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.
‘This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol."

Posted by: leoruler | October 18, 2008 5:14 PM

Hey, wait...I'm a Democrat and I *left* Northern Virginia for the District...somebody forgot to send me the memo!

Posted by: EdTheRed | October 18, 2008 5:13 PM

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