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By Robert Barnes
RICHMOND -- Democrat Barack Obama said today there is no reason to believe that he is more likely to be tested by an international crisis if elected than if rival John McCain is, and said the important question is how the next president responds.

"Whoever is the next president is going to have to deal with a whole host of challenges internationally -- and a period of transition in a new administration is always one in which we have to be vigilant," Obama said after meeting here with his team of national security and foreign policy advisers.

He was responding to a question about an assertion by his running mate, Joe Biden, over the weekend. "Mark my words," Biden had said. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking."

McCain's campaign has used the statement to imply that Obama is not ready to lead in a dangerous world.

Even though Biden's words suggested that Obama would be singled out for the test, Obama brushed the comment off, saying, "I think Joe sometimes engages in rhetorical flourishes."

"We are going to face a number of threats and tests and challenges because for the last eight years we've had a policy, a bad set of policies, that have resulted in two unresolved wars, bin Laden and al-Qaeda communicating regularly and training folks to potentially attack America and an economy that has been in a free fall," Obama said.

"The question is, will the next president meet that test by moving America in a new direction -- by sending a clear signal to the rest of the world that we are no longer about bluster and unilateralism and ideology, but we're about creating partnerships around the world to solve practical problems.

"That's going to be the best way to meet that test."

McCain-Palin spokesman Tucker Bounds used Obama's comments as a further opportunity to continue pounding the Democratic ticket.

"Judgment to lead? It's not leadership for Barack Obama to promise to be straight with Americans, only to dismiss serious statements and concern from his own running mate as simple 'rhetorical flourishes,'" he said in a statement. "Joe Biden guaranteed a generated international crisis if Barack Obama is elected, and a smile-for-the-cameras press conference isn't going to mitigate the risk of an Obama presidency."

Obama's prepared remarks follow:

Good morning. We just finished a meeting with Senator Biden and members of my senior working group on national security. We had a wide-ranging discussion on the challenges facing our nation.

I've been pleased to draw on the support of these distinguished Americans during this campaign. I was also honored to receive the support of Colin Powell on Sunday, who is a friend and former colleague to many of those here with me. General Powell is one of the finest soldiers and statesmen of our time. He has been a source of advice, and I look forward to drawing on his counsel - and the counsel of all of those standing with me today - if I am President.

The next President will take office at a time of great uncertainty for America. We are in the midst of the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression. And as challenging as our current economic crisis is, the next President will have to focus on national security challenges on many fronts. The terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 are still at large and plotting, and we must be vigilant in preventing future attacks. We are fighting two wars abroad. We are facing a range of 21st century threats - from terrorism to nuclear proliferation to our dependence on foreign oil - which have grown more daunting because of the failed policies of the last eight years.

To succeed, we need leadership that understands the connection between our economy and our strength in the world. We often hear about two debates - one on national security and one on the economy - but that is a false distinction. We can't afford another President who ignores the fundamentals of our economy while running up record deficits to fight a war without end in Iraq.

We must be strong at home to be strong abroad - that is the lesson of our history. Our economy supports our military power, it increases our diplomatic leverage, and it is a foundation of America's leadership and in the world. Through World War II, American workers built an Arsenal of Democracy that helped our heroic troops face down fascism. Through the Cold War, the engine of the American economy helped power our triumph over Communism.

Now, we must renew American competitiveness to support our security and global leadership. That means creating millions of jobs in a new American energy sector, so that we're not borrowing billions from China to buy oil from Saudi Arabia - for the sake of our economy and our security, we must end our dependence on foreign oil. Keeping America ahead also calls for investments in American education, innovation and infrastructure, so that our kids can compete, our homeland is secure, and our country remains on the cutting edge.

It also means leading an international response to the financial crisis. On September 19th, I called for a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20 to stabilize the credit markets. I'm happy that today, the White House announced a summit of the G-20 countries that provides an opportunity to advance the kind of cooperation that I called for last month. America must lead, and other nations must be part of the solution too.

We must recognize that from global economic turmoil to global terrorism, the challenges we face demand American leadership of strong alliances. When America is isolated, we shoulder these burdens alone, and the security and prosperity of the American people is put at risk. Yet for eight years, we have seen our alliances weakened and our standing in the world set back.

We cannot afford four more years of policies that have failed to adjust to our new century. We're not going to defeat a terrorist network that operates in eighty countries through an occupation of Iraq. We're not going to deny the nuclear ambitions of Iran by refusing to pursue direct diplomacy alongside our allies. We're not going to secure the American people and promote American values with empty bluster. It's time for a fundamental change, and that's why I'm running for President.

This change must start with a responsible end to the war in Iraq. We shouldn't keep spending $10 billion a month in Iraq while the Iraqis sit on a huge surplus. Today, we discussed how to succeed in Iraq by transitioning to Iraqi responsibility. For the sake of our economy, our military, and the long-term stability of Iraq, it's time for the Iraqis to step up.

Ending the war will help us deal with Afghanistan, which we talked about at length this morning. In 2002, I said we should focus on finishing the fight against Osama bin Laden. Throughout this campaign, I have argued that we need more troops and more resources to win the war in Afghanistan, and to confront the growing threat from al Qaeda along the Pakistani border.

Over seven years after 9/11, the situation in Afghanistan is grave. This is the most violent year of the war, with the highest number of American casualties. The Taliban is on the offensive, al Qaeda has a sanctuary across the border in Pakistan, and some experts believe that 50 percent of the Afghan economy comes from the heroin trade. As the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff recently said, "The trends across the board are not going in the right direction."

Make no mistake: we are confronting an urgent crisis in Afghanistan, and we have to act. It's time to heed the call from General McKiernan and others for more troops. That's why I'd send at least two or three additional combat brigades to Afghanistan. We also need more training for Afghan Security forces, more non-military assistance to help Afghans develop alternatives to poppy farming, more safeguards to prevent corruption, and a new effort to crack down on cross-border terrorism. Only a comprehensive strategy that prioritizes Afghanistan and the fight against al Qaeda will succeed, and that's the change I'll bring to the White House.

There is a clear choice in this election. On issue after issue, Senator McCain has supported the key decisions and core approach of President Bush. As President, he would continue the policies that have put our economy into crisis and endangered our national security. And as he's shown over the last few weeks, he would also continue the divisive politics that undercuts the bipartisan cooperation and national unity that is so badly needed in challenging times.

We need to change course. At home, we must invest in the competitiveness of the American economy. Abroad, we need a new direction that ends the war in Iraq, focuses on the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban, and restores strong alliances and tough American diplomacy. To keep our country safe and prosperous, we need leadership that brings the American people together. That is the lesson of our history. Together, we cannot fail; together, we can rise to meet any challenge.

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MEDIA BIAS IS GREATEST IN ITS COVERAGE OF JOE THE SENATOR AND HIS 3 LETTER WORD J-O-B-S- Hey Joe, How will Bringing Back Carter's Tax Rates on the Small Businesses That Employ People Help J-O-B-S? (when you include Ebayers, Obama's 2% of small businesses make over 250k comment is valid - when you consider small businesses that EMPLOY PEOPLE it is far OFF! So, get your resume in order!)

Ralph Reilan- IBD Today-

Obama gets to his reassuring 98% figure by lumping firms with no employees, the majority of small businesses, with small businesses that have 50 or 100 employees. Census data show that 79% of all American companies, counting both large and small firms, have no employees.

Similarly, the SBA's Office of Advocacy reports that 52% of small businesses in the U.S. economy are home-based — that is, not exactly the heavy-hitters when it comes to job creation.

As the New York Times reported regarding the makeup of the nation's 27 million small businesses: "According to figures compiled by the Small Business Administration, there are fewer than six million small businesses that actually have employees. The rest are so-called non-employer firms that report income from hobbies or freelance work done by their registered owners, earning as little as $1,000 a year."

By treating a lemonade stand the same as a home builder with 100 employees, Obama can get away with saying that 98% of small businesses in America won't be hit by his proposed increases in income taxes.

He's telling the 59 million employees in the small-business sector there's almost no chance, specifically a 2% chance, that their jobs or incomes will be negatively affected by his proposed tax hikes and policies to "spread the wealth around." In fact, Obama's proposed tax hike on incomes over $250,000 is precisely aimed at the small businesses that are generating the highest revenues and hiring the most workers.

"Two-thirds of small business profits are earned in households making more than $250,000 per year," reports Americans for Tax Reform. "In 2006, $473 billion of the $706 billion of small business profits was earned in households Obama has said he would raise taxes on."

Obama's proposed increases in income taxes and Social Security taxes would shift the bulk of the profits in the small-business sector to the federal coffers, reports Americans for Tax Reform:

"The tax rate on the lion's share of small business income could reach 54.9% under a President Obama. The individual top rate will climb from 35% to 39.6% and the Social Security/Medicare tax rate could climb from 2.9% to 15.3%. Put those together and you get 54.9%."

By increasing costs, Obama's higher business taxes would have the direct effect of increasing layoffs and raising prices. His proposed 54.9% tax rate would be the highest since the Carter administration, when the nation's unemployment and inflation rates peaked, respectively, at 7.6% and 13.5%.

Posted by: thecannula | October 23, 2008 10:30 AM

It is acknowledged by the F.B.I. that adversaries like to test a new president.
John McCain will be tested if he wins, so will Obama. McCain's emotional reactivity will make the outcome more predictable. He will opt for unilateral military action and go it alone military solutions.
Obama will consider these as well as more diplomatic solutions using our allies in a concerted effort.
Cool headedness and logic will prevail, not erratic, angry responses.

Posted by: seemstome | October 23, 2008 8:39 AM

The October surprise has sprung and it's Joe Biden.
Obama should assign a midget secret service agent to Biden with instructions to punch him in the sack when he starts to say something stupid.
12 days to go and counting.

Posted by: seemstome | October 23, 2008 8:24 AM

Oops, I guess not the WHOLE world is going to be "electrified":

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2293196/pinch-yourself.thtml

You have to pinch yourself – a Marxisant radical who all his life has been mentored by, sat at the feet of, worshipped with, befriended, endorsed the philosophy of, funded and been in turn funded, politically promoted and supported by a nexus comprising black power anti-white racists, Jew-haters, revolutionary Marxists, unrepentant former terrorists and Chicago mobsters, is on the verge of becoming President of the United States. And apparently it’s considered impolite to say so.

Posted by: zjr78xva | October 23, 2008 12:02 AM

Sen. Biden nailed it. Sen. Obama will be tested by an international crisis. Luckily, there will be the old hand Joe from Scranton to steady the ship and let Sen. Obama rest his head on his shoulder. We are indeed doomed. Vote Obama/Biden the Titanic ticket.

Posted by: Wiel | October 22, 2008 10:57 PM

This Biden guy is soooooooooooooooo DUMB.

and the dems try to talk about Palin!


what a crock!

McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 22, 2008 10:17 PM

There's only one candidate in this race who has ever killed babies. That man is John McCain, the Maverick.
I don't care what his excuse is.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 22, 2008 9:52 PM

WaPo journalists are convinced that Colin Powell has become one of the biggest contributors to the Obama campaign by selling 'weapons of mass destruction' to the World, at a discount price!

Posted by: trace-sc | October 22, 2008 9:15 PM

Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed.

See Story on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/index.html

Obama = ACORN = Voter Fraud

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 22, 2008 9:10 PM

OOOps. . . my mistake:

The Wall Street Journal article ought to have ( " ) after generation."

Posted by: Cantabrigian | October 22, 2008 9:08 PM

WaPo journalism is no more than open propaganda for the Smoke Prophet!

I guess WaPo journalists think we are going to believe that in a time like this the best americans can do is to bet their scarce money to this rookie, so he would transform the rest of it into change!

The real question is: who is trying to buy the Presidency for Obama and his tribe, followed by the media?

Posted by: trace-sc | October 22, 2008 9:07 PM

Wall Street Journal,A16, 10/22/08.

"Obama has brought in $618 million, about double the take for John McCain. Obama is outspending Mr. McCain 4:1 on television, according to the Campaign Media Analysis Group -- three-and-a-half to one, if Republican Party dollars are included. The funding edge also lets Democrats consolidate their organizational advantage.

One barometer is boots on the ground. In Pennsylvania, Mr. Obama has 83 field offices, compared to 30 for Mr. McCain. He also has a double-digit lead in the polls. In usually red Virginia, Mr. Obama has 51 offices, Mr. McCain 19.

In some markets, Mr. Obama has bought up all available media slots in certain times. The campaign put $4.6 million in the past week in Florida, compared to Mr. McCain's $1.4 million; in Virginia, $3.1 million to $1.2; and so on. It bought nationwide advertising during football games and prime time programs. Mr. Obama will even appear in a half-hour prime time infomercial on three networks on October 29.

Mr. Obama may also have to answer after the election for some of his fund-raising practices. The campaign won't release the list of donors who gave $200 or less, and under current law it doesn't have to. This raises suspicions that some individuals are bundling their contributions in small numbers to give more than the law allows. Mr. Obama calls his many donors a new system of "public finance," but if so where is the disclosure? His donor list is the least transparent in a generation.

Would you call this American democracy?
or the American golden rule: "The man with the most gold makes the rules"

Or are the voters going to follow the Pied Piper and let him buy the president's job?

Posted by: Cantabrigian | October 22, 2008 9:04 PM

Can you imagine the media circus if Sarah Pallin would have made the same comments as Biden?

Hardball (what's his name) would have been sputtering, and gulping for air . . .

There is something terribly wrong with the American psyche that first denied women the vote, and now deny to recognize a vote for a woman.

Posted by: Cantabrigian | October 22, 2008 8:54 PM

Obama will be tested very soon after becoming POTUS. And not because he is inexperienced; it's because of the theme of his presidential candidacy has been shaped by GW Bush. Once GW is gone, Obama will have no identity. Right now, Obama is the anti-GW. After the election, Obama will struggle for his own voice, his own vision, his own fortitude. Obama does not compare to JFK. Kennedy was actually accomplished. Obama carries around smoke and mirrors.

And if the Democrats and Obama were so against the Iraq War, why did they continue to fund it. Why did no one have the nads to call the President out and impeach him?

Posted by: daavina | October 22, 2008 8:51 PM

It's 3 a.m. The phone rings off the hook. Barry, terrified, lifts the receiver as gingerly as if it were made of dust. Having no idea what to do, he decides to get his backup, Joe, on the line. Yammering Joe comes on yammering away, carpet bombing the place with rhetorical flourishes. Barry is still terrified. Joe flourishes on. And the world waits, its fate in the balance.

Posted by: zjr78xva | October 22, 2008 8:46 PM

HUMM

Posted by: fu_buki | October 22, 2008 8:31 PM

OMG!!!
PALIN TELLS KIDS THE VICE PRESIDENT(RUN)SENATE

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 22, 2008 7:56 PM

KMichaels wrote:JFK pretty much blew it. His military advisors pretty much had to kick his stupid arse into gear to finally get that moron to do something serious.

In fact, the successful conclusion of the crisis was due to Kennedy's unwillingness to follow the recommendation of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to attack the missile installations in Cuba. Kennedy correctly ascertained that Kruschev was very likely under a similar kind of pressure from his military advisers, which led to JFK to ignore the second formal communique from the Soviets, and agree to the first one instead. That insight is generally credited with averting the necessity to strike Cuba, an action which would have, very likely, precipitated a nuclear war.

As for testing the next President, it's really not a matter of speculation anyway. Thanks to an incoherent foreign policy towards Russia and the former Soviet republics by the Bush administration, the next crisis is already locked and loaded: We have announced our intention to install defensive missiles in Poland, and Russia has stated flatly that if we do, they will use military means if necessary to remove them.

Fortunately, while Senator McCain was reminding voters that he was strapped into the cockpit of his fighter plane back in 1962 ready to bomb Cuba, Senator Obama was holding a high-level conference on foreign policy and our national security (yesterday) in anticipation of the Poland invasion threat, and several other critical security issues he will face if elected. Fortunately, no one had to 'kick his arse' to organize that meeting, he planned for it quite some time ago.

Posted by: thomas777 | October 22, 2008 7:30 PM

Senator Biden was talking about how Obama would deal with the problems that are, and that can arise. He wasn't making a comparison between McCain and Obama.

My guess is that McCain would respond impulsively, disregard advisors, and take uncalculated risks.

Senator Obama's comments reflect his thinking. He expresses himself well.

He is no Messiah, and he is not perfect, but Obama is thoughtful and reflective as he anticipates what may happen. So that he can be ready to react deliberately.

I worry more about Senator McCain's temperament. He is cock-sure. And he likes being in the underdog position. Somehow that doesn't translate to being presidential.

I admire Senator McCain. His terrible ordeal as a P.O.W. and his courage and endurance are recognized, honored, and deeply appreciated.

I am dismayed by Senator McCain's campaign. His see-saw reactions are troublesome. His glee when he pulls off a surprise. That is not the temperament I want to follow.

This is part of the reason I support Obama/Biden 2008!

Posted by: alexash | October 22, 2008 7:08 PM

james: "but Palin is a complete wildcard, whom I would not want leading our country"

You mean Obama would not be a complete wildcard? How the hell do you figure that? What has been Obama's proving ground for defending the USA? You figure his failed (yes he admitted that he failed) community organizing rounding up the likes of ACORN suffices to protect our nation?

James, sorry, but you sound like a complete dope. And Palin is not running as pres, it is McCain, and McCain is vastly more tested and more experienced in regards to a potential international crisis.

And I would say that Palin is a far better risk than that moron Joe-Mark-My-Word-We- Will-Get-An-International-Crisis-If-Obama Is-Elected-Biden.

No president is without advisors. And JFK advisors told him to do something tougher, much earlier. JFK brought us on the brink. Obama would take us over the brink.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 22, 2008 7:02 PM

"What has Obama done? Setting a record for money collected 650 million, none from corporations or lobbyists other than unions..."

Where to begin? I suppose here, since it's so easy to definitively prove the falsity. Let's start with the vicious right-wing rumor monger, salon.com:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/04/02/factcheck_obama/
Now, how about another ruthlessly partisan organization, factcheck.org?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_oil_spill.html

Then, there is the simple fact that Obama's campaign has not released the identities of individual donors, and is not legally required to do so. That makes it possible to say anything at this time, and later, just say "Sorry, we were mistaken. Won't happen again." Bundlers will be identified, but not until well after the election.

The rest? As part of his "world tour", he tried to get Iraq to act in a way contrary to the interests of the USA, and antithetical to Obama's stated positions, simply for political gain. Quite a selfless, heroic effort, that.

He has other accomplishments, you know. Used unsavory tactics to get his challengers for the state assembly kicked off the Democratic ticket so he could run unopposed. Helped William Ayers radicalize Chicago schoolchildren with no measurable academic improvement after wasting more than $100M as a member of a board of directors of a very large not-for-profit effort, which he left completely out of the two books he wrote about himself. Joined the socialist organization, New Party. Invented his own presidential seal, held forth during his coronation from a Greek temple. Yeah, heck of a guy.

Posted by: FlyDiesel | October 22, 2008 7:00 PM

Historically with the JFK missle crisis most figure that JFK waited far too long, let the situation get way too bad for too long and then had to take a heavier hand for JFK letting it get out of hand for too long.

JFK pretty much blew it. His military advisors pretty much had to kick his stupid arse into gear to finally get that moron to do something serious.

What we hear in the news is just the end result of what JFK finally did.

JFK brought us near to a nuclear war because he waited waited waited way too long before getting gutsy.

Apparently Obama, considering his own words, would wait even longer than JFK did, would take steps to appease the enemy then end up getting us all killed along with his stupid arse.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 22, 2008 6:55 PM

No clear victor in Cuban missile crisis, LOL. Goodnight Mr. Kruschev, you are done. The Pershing missiles we took offline in Turkey was done 2 years before planned obsolescence. Bobby simply told the Russians, lets do it, and with 90% of Russia in ashes and 10% of the U.S., Bobby made them back off. Intelligence in the face of a threat that put us at high Defcon levels. Not my missiles are launched, because I've got the advantage. McCain I think would not go that far but Palin is a complete wildcard, whom I would not want leading our country.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 22, 2008 6:52 PM

Washington Post again recieves the "whitewashing of a news story" award for this most recent example of what they want to pawn off as journalism.

Obviously WaPo figures that since the entire world now knows that they are in the tank for Obama that they might just as well continue with their get out the votes for messiah Obama ploy.

Here is Robert Barnes (typical Obamabot campaign worker at WaPo) wrote ...

"He was responding to a question about an assertion by his running mate, Joe Biden, over the weekend. "Mark my words," Biden had said. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking.""

No Barnes, McCain was responding to Biden saying that he (Obama) would be tested within six months with an international crisis. With a generated international crisis.

Apparently Barnes, you figure that Biden saying that we were going to have a "generated international crisis" within 6 months is not newsworthy.

But to hear your obviously biased report it was just Joe saying that Obama would be generically tested, just like any president would be.

Barnes, pull your head out of Obama's behind dude. The methane in there seems to be killing you.

The real news here is that Biden promises a generated international crisis in 6 months if Obama is elected and then we get your pathetic WaPo watered down version of the facts.

Barnes, you are absolutely pathetic to your rotten biased Obama serving core.

Barnes continues: "McCain's campaign has used the statement to imply that Obama is not ready to lead in a dangerous world."

Biden is the one that implied that Obama needed to still be tested, Barnes, you moron. That is the news story here. Try doing your damn job as a journalist. As a Obama campaigner you are just so so.

Truly, Journalism is dead at Washington Post.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 22, 2008 6:49 PM

Joe knew exactly what he was doing. The polls say it won't make much difference and has forced Obama to using the iron fist the first time he is challenged. Joe is thinking 2012 already and what is best for the country in his view will be a strong U.S. response.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 22, 2008 6:45 PM

After the latest McCain assertion that "he has been tested, and Obama has not..." I went on-line and re-read several different accounts of the Cuban Missile Crisis in October of 1962. (I was only ten-years old at the time, but I still remember the protracted national anxiety we lived through while our collective future as a nation was in doubt.) After taking it all in again, this time with more historical detail to draw upon, I'm glad John McCain was safely ensconced in his jet fighter on an aircraft carrier, and not occupying the Oval Office at the time. Were it not for a variety of diplomatic initiatives without pre-conditions, none of us might be here today.

It is, admittedly a highly subjective conclusion, but the last thing we needed in the White House back then was a President quick to draw lines in the sand, and enamored of the symbolism required to defend them. As one reads these minute by minute accounts of complex backroom negotiations, contingency planning, and public diplomacy, all occurring simultaneously, it's hard to place John McCain in the role that JFK actually played in leading us through this near-miss with nuclear war.

In fact, the Cuban Missile Crisis probably stands as the best argument in favor of a President Obama, and against a President McCain one could find in the recent history of this country. There was no clear victor when the confrontation subsided on October 29th, 1962. The Soviets withdrew their missiles from Cuba, and the United States stood down from it's plans to initiate "regime change" by removing Fidel Castro. Shortly thereafter, the United States removed it's nuclear missiles from Turkey on the basis of a verbal understanding that was not made public until 30 years later.

In short, the resolution of that crisis was a far cry from the "Total Victory with Honor" that Senator McCain insists is prerequisite to our exit strategy from Iraq. Instead, it was a pragmatic and nuanced solution to a problem with otherwise catastrophic potential. Now, which of the two candidates in this election does that best describe?

Posted by: thomas777 | October 22, 2008 6:43 PM

US election: Republican operative faces voter registration fraud
charges

Accusations come on the heels of Republican John McCain's fraud attacks against community organisation Acorn
Elana Schor in Washington guardian.co.uk, Wednesday October 22 2008

While John McCain has attacked the liberal US community group Acorn for alleged voter registration fraud, the Republican party continues to employ operatives facing fraud accusations including one who faces criminal perjury charges.

Democrats are accusing McCain of hypocrisy after the weekend arrest of Mark Jacoby, a California Republican operative. Jacoby has been accused of voter registration fraud after registering himself to vote at two homes where he did not live.

The arrest comes after McCain and running mate Sarah Palin attempted to tie Barack Obama's campaign to Acorn, playing up a federal investigation of the group's voter registration tactics in several states.

"Over the past few weeks we've heard John McCain denounce voter fraud on the campaign trail while the [Republican party] hurls false attacks, so the question is: where is the outrage now?" Democratic spokesman Karen Finney asked yesterday.

Jacoby is the second Republican operative revealed this week to possess a questionable record on voter registration. Nathan Sproul – who has been investigated by Congress for allegedly destroying voter registration forms and intimidating voters – got paid $175,000 by the McCain camp this year.

"The Republicans [and] the McCain campaign have been hammering away for weeks with the same old Washington politics," Democratic party lawyer Joe Sandler said in a statement.

"In fact, none of the charges that they've been talking about have actually panned out."

Democrats called on McCain to cut his ties to both voter-registration operatives, citing frequent Republican attacks on Acorn. Obama represented Acorn as an attorney years before beginning his political career, and the group has endorsed him this year, but his camp has denied any link to Acorn's voter-registration activities.

The California Republican party told a local newspaper yesterday that their contract with Jacoby ended this week, after the state's voter registration period expired. No announcement has been made about the renewal of the contract.

Posted by: Russell4America | October 22, 2008 6:43 PM

"In the VP debate, Biden said: "When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon..."
Posted by: Xdem

Actually, that didn't happen. Ever. By any American or European force. Even Israel, in 2006, attempted an action in Lebanon calculated to dislodge Hezbollah, and failed miserably. It was a disaster that, in fact, only succeeded in dislodging the ruling political party- in Israel!

Fortunately for Biden, his many 'rhetorical flourishes" during the debate went unchallenged by the Post and others. Now, folks like you continue to believe a string of foot-in-mouth gaffes that would have gotten Palin laughed off the ticket by the MSM.

Here's an admittedly partisan, but at least well-researched, commentary on the subject.

http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2018399%3ABlogPost%3A9249

Posted by: FlyDiesel | October 22, 2008 6:41 PM

What has Obama done? Setting a record for money collected 650 million, none from corporations or lobbyists other than unions, got a record number of primary voters as did Clinton at 18 million, had the kind of debates with Clinton the delved into issues and positions which were about 90% the same, made history with his worldwide tour, did not leave General Gratien at the gate whom had more right to see the troops, backed Shinseki on Iraq, Fallon on Iran, the joint chiefs on drawdown and Afghan build-up along with being against the surge, backed Rice's and Gate's approach in Georgia over the Cheney approach. Has shown a grasp of domestic and foreign issues that made Powell say he is ready and able. That is what Obama has done.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 22, 2008 6:36 PM

Cantibrigian spewed "[mucho spew]...So, folks is he going to buy the President's job with YOUR $$$$$?"

Yep.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 22, 2008 6:33 PM

Washington Post failed to say anything about this huge story until their chosen leader Obama finally made a response to it.

Washington Post, the Obama lap dogs that they are finally decided that maybe they should say something about it.

The not so brilliant ex-journalist Robert Barnes apparently lost the bet and was chosen to write for WaPo on this subject.

The brilliant and unbiased Robert Barnes took his cue from the other Obamabot writers at WaPo and decided to play down what Biden actually said, post only the less bombastic portions of Bidens quote and then, as a response, instead of Robert Barnes being a journalist he figured, hell, since we at WaPo are just repeating Obama's words anyhow, I will just post what Obama said, word for word. Surely the American public will be able to decide for themselves if we just let the candidate speak for himself.

Good old Robert Barnes, good old WaPo writers in general. You are just so honorable in doing your job. Your job as campaign managers for Obama that is.

As to your job at real journalism, Robert Barnes and you other Obama lapdogs, well, as to journalism you get a F minus.

Barnes, this article of yours was one of the most pathetic attempts at journalism that I have ever seen. And believe me, I have seen some pretty bad crap coming from Washington Post.

At Washington Post, journalism truely has died.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 22, 2008 6:32 PM

A hero must die in combat.

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 22, 2008 6:32 PM

Wall Street Journal article,A16. 10/22/08.

"Obama has brought in $618 million, about double the take for John McCain. Obama is outspending Mr. McCain 4:1 on television, according to the Campaign Media Analysis Group -- three-and-a-half to one, if Republican Party dollars are included. The funding edge also lets Democrats consolidate their organizational advantage. One barometer is boots on the ground. In Pennsylvania, Mr. Obama has 83 field offices, compared to 30 for Mr. McCain. He also has a double-digit lead in the polls. In usually red Virginia, Mr. Obama has 51 offices, Mr. McCain 19.

In some markets, Mr. Obama has bought up all available media slots in certain times. The campaign put $4.6 million in the past week in Florida, compared to Mr. McCain's $1.4 million; in Virginia, $3.1 million to $1.2; and so on.

Obama's camp bought nationwide advertising during football games and prime time programs. Mr. Obama will even appear in a half-hour prime time infomercial on three networks on October 29.

Mr. Obama may also have to answer after the election for some of his fund-raising practices. The campaign won't release the list of donors who gave $200 or less, and under current law it doesn't have to. This raises suspicions that some individuals are bundling their contributions in small numbers to give more than the law allows.

Mr. Obama calls his many donors a new system of "public finance," but if so where is the disclosure? His donor list is the least transparent in a generation."

So, folks is he going to buy the President's job with YOUR $$$$$?

Posted by: Cantabrigian | October 22, 2008 6:21 PM

The test that is most to be feared is Russia going after Tajikistan. Obama will put much more effort into Afghanistan and Putin has control of the Georgia pipeline so no need to go further. The Chinese are owed too much money by us to think about Taiwan. Bill Richardson I think can make peace with Jung. Khatami and the Mullahs can be offered the carrot or the stick. A Shia pilgrimage railway from Karachi to Najav and Karbala is something I think they can't walk away from, even if regional power without the bomb is lessened. The centifuges at Nantanz and the heavy water reactor at Arak are two cruise missiles away from destruction. Al Qaeda and the Taliban won't care whom is president and would want McCain as more polarizing to Islam. I also believe if the world market can supplant the Sudan oil the Chinese buy, we can get the U.N. into Darfur. Obama when our economy rebounds will do more in Central and South America offsetting the Chavez gains. The Castro's won't live forever and opening trade and travel is in both countries interests. Cuban sugar ethanol can replace our corn and the subsidies should continue for food and feed grain easing the world's short grain supply. Canadian oils sands have taken the labor that otherwise would grow grain with global warming giving Canada a longer growing season. Food is what our country can leverage on the foreign policy scene. To win the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, we must support Pakistan in making the economy of the Lashkar tribes better and assist them in protecting these Pastuns that are against the Taliban. When other tribes see the better life provided the call to the false Jihadist cause will go unanswered. The proliferation of Wahabi style madrassahs must be replace with moderate Turkish madrassahs whose graduates are ready for the workplace.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 22, 2008 6:17 PM

This is John McCain supporting OBAMA's current position on taxes, when J M was running in 2000.John McCain: "We feel, obviously, that wealthy people can afford more... I believe that when you really look at the tax code today, the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don't pay nearly as much as you think they do when you just look at the percentages. And I think middle-income Americans, working Americans, when the account and payroll taxes, sales taxes, mortgage pay -- all of the taxes that working Americans pay, I think they -- you would think that they also deserve significant relief, in my view... here's what I really believe, that when you are -- reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more." [MSNBC's Hardball, 10/12/00]

Posted by: ottothewise | October 22, 2008 6:03 PM

All leaders are tested. If you actually listen to what Biden said, every president whom he served under, and there were a lot, were all tested. Just imagine Princess Palin having to make decisions.
Her SAT was 837 composite. Her grades in high school were:
D in foreign language, C's in everything but her native language and she got a B in English. She demonstrated the pit bull qualities of not giving up in college and after several colleges finally graduated in 6 years, with a D in macro-economics.
Good for her, but dont pretend she is up to the constant new learning that a president must face, and oh by the way, the one thing that goes first in old age is NEW LEARNINGS. Notice that McCain cannot use a computer. Think its about his arms? No, actually with his millions he could afford an all audio controlled system, but he WOULD have to actually learn something new.
He chose not to learn the most important technical breakthru in our culture.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 22, 2008 5:58 PM

McCain, a true American hero, except for the only two times he was actually tested:

1. While a POW he made propaganda for the enemy. If you had done that, and your father was not an admiral, you'd still be serving a life sentence in a Marine brig.
2. In the run-up to Iraq, J M made FALSE propaganda, on Letterman OCT 2001 saying the Anthrax attack against Congressional offices was by Iraq. We know it wasnt, now.
He was a liar. And he is still protecting his "source" on that crime against our men in uniform.
No hero, J M is just a former prisoner.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 22, 2008 5:53 PM

DemocracyRules: "Joe Biden is right, Obama will be tested because most leaders like Putin, Shavez, Ahmedenijad can’t wait to have an American president who is clueless about Foreign Policy and who thinks he can negotiate with anybody. These three amigos will have Obama for breakfast."

Might be the most naive statement on the blog. First of all, his experience in foreign policy is not at McCain's level, but he's not ancient either. With the most powerful and advanced military behind him, his experience will take a back seat. Second of all: Biden has more experience dealing with foreign leaders than your precious Mr. Burns aka McBush. His approach is the correct one. But, before you keep worrying about this, don't you think we should clean up our own back yard first? Maybe get the economy back on track? Have job creation again? Renewable energy? These will be advantageous to our national security.

Chavez is how you spell his name by the way, and judging on his country's history, there will be 3 more coups before Jan 20th anyway and he most likely won't be there anymore.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 22, 2008 5:49 PM

This is John McCain supporting OBAMA's current position on taxes, when J M was running in 2000.John McCain: "We feel, obviously, that wealthy people can afford more... I believe that when you really look at the tax code today, the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don't pay nearly as much as you think they do when you just look at the percentages. And I think middle-income Americans, working Americans, when the account and payroll taxes, sales taxes, mortgage pay -- all of the taxes that working Americans pay, I think they -- you would think that they also deserve significant relief, in my view... here's what I really believe, that when you are -- reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more." [MSNBC's Hardball, 10/12/00]

Posted by: ottothewise | October 22, 2008 5:49 PM

Go Gator-ron.
DemocracyRules how well do you think our current administration is with foreign policy right now? Our current tactics arent very successful. Look at the two known nuclear powers that have emerged in the last few years. Also Putin, Shavez, Ahmedenijad. I cant see any of these three leaders making drastic decisions under new democratic presidency. He is intelligent and has the strongest and best military backing this great country. Try n scare em more it might work on some. Maybe its time for new tactics.

Posted by: Anony1 | October 22, 2008 5:35 PM

MCCAIN IS A:
WILLFUL IGNORANCE
WISHFUL THINKING
OUTDATED IDEOLOGY

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 22, 2008 5:34 PM

AgnosticEngineer: "You're so right. Unilateral negotiations are the ONLY way to make progress. Our shrinking global influence ought to help too..."

Sarcasm?

.

Posted by: Billw3 | October 22, 2008 5:27 PM

BIDEN TALKS SO MUCH HE BLURTS OUT THE TRUTH BY ACCIDENT

Obama is incapable of independent thought.

He either reads the teleprompter or robotically repeats the same tired slogans with no actual cognition.

One recurring theme that can be used against Obama is that he consistently follows the template of President Kennedy.

Note the quote:

"He was responding to a question about an assertion by his running mate, Joe Biden, over the weekend. "Mark my words," Biden had said. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking."

RESPONSE--If there are any reporters left at the Wash Po--Did anyone ask Biden if OBAMA had cited JFK's testing? Like did OBAMA compare Iran nuclear development to the Cuban Missile Crisis?

OBAMA-HE HATES AMERICA

Posted by: JaxMax | October 22, 2008 5:26 PM


The SHORTS IN THE Stock MARKET ARE PRICING IN OBAMA”S VICTORY

The reason I will not vote for Obama is because I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY A RUSSIAN ROULETTE.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 22, 2008 5:18 PM

"Right, his charisma won't be worth diddeldy-squat with them."


You're so right. Unilateral negotiations are the ONLY way to make progress. Our shrinking global influence ought to help too...

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 22, 2008 5:16 PM

How does Tucker Bounds have so much time for snarky comments about Obama? Is he slacking off on shopping with Sarah Palin?

Posted by: HughBriss | October 22, 2008 5:15 PM

"It is not cool to be stupid."


It saddens me how many Americans feel ignorance is a virtue...

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 22, 2008 5:13 PM


DemocracyRules:
"Putin, Shavez, Ahmedenijad ... These three amigos will have Obama for breakfast."

Right, his charisma won't be worth diddeldy-squat with them.

.

Posted by: Billw3 | October 22, 2008 5:09 PM

Joe Biden is right, Obama will be tested because most leaders like Putin, Shavez, Ahmedenijad can’t wait to have an American president who is clueless about Foreign Policy and who thinks he can negotiate with anybody. These three amigos will have Obama for breakfast.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 22, 2008 4:55 PM

Trust me I am not a racist but in fact Obama is the one who sits under the leadership of a racist pastor and distances himself only when the racism is found out. He is the racist. I would never sit under a pastor or anyone who spewed racist hatred. I left a previous church when the pastor referred to middle eastern people as "towel heads" so I will not vote for a president that would stand for such bigotry either - FOR 20 YEARS??? I mean come on. I can't wait to cast my Missouri vote!!

Posted by: jlyoung77 | October 22, 2008 4:46 PM

jlyoung77:

I hope you know sniffing glue is bad for you. But you probably don't because KKK idiots are certainly not the smartest of the bunch. So keep on sniffing and eating your possum pie but please stop diddling your children...that is just sick.

There is no room for hate in this country. We are a people of equality and diversity. If you do not like what America is, then please leave. You are un-American.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 22, 2008 4:41 PM

Video of Rep. Randy Kuhl saying that Democrats want the American people to suffer and to hurt:

http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/rep-randy-kuhl-democrats-want-american.html

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 22, 2008 4:36 PM

So, A vote for Obama is a vote for danger, Joe: Is that what you're telling us- Thanks for the Warning! I'll stick with Foreign Policy Credentials at the Top of my Ticket.

Posted by: thecannula | October 22, 2008 4:17 PM

Before you used reason and issues and although I thought you were dissembling and distorting, Now you are using fear mongering. Some how I do not think your judgment of leadership and foreign affairs out strips Colin Powell's.

For reasons of honest disclosure I think you should disclose that you earn more than 250K and that you support McCain to improve you business prospects. Doing that gives you some integrity. I am just helping you out.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 22, 2008 4:35 PM

BELOW ARE SOME NUMBERS FROM A LATEST POLL:


"On the issues and candidate qualities"
-------------------------------------
"In the survey, Obama also holds commanding leads on the issues — especially economic ones. He has a 39-point advantage over McCain in handling health care (59 to 20 percent), a 21-point edge on improving the economy (49 to 28), a 21-point lead on the mortgage and housing crisis (45 to 24), a 17-point edge on dealing with the Wall Street crisis (42 to 25), a 14-point lead on taxes (48 to 34) and a 12-point advantage on energy and the cost of gas (44 to 32)."

Source: MSNBC/WSJ Poll conducted Oct17-20
-------------------------------------------
When will you people give it up? The writing is on the wall. IT IS OVER!

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 22, 2008 4:35 PM

Obama has not disowned Bidens claim that he and Obama had recommended sending NATO troops into Lebanon (see VP debate).

Western troops occupying an Arab-Muslim country sounds like the start of the third war in the region.

In the VP debate, Biden said: "When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, "Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know -- if you don't, Hezbollah will control it."
Now what's happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel."

Posted by: Xdem | October 22, 2008 4:33 PM

When I first heard the report I just fumed. I mean we knew it was coming with Biden, he never could see beyond the gift of representation. He lives inside the box, thus not a good fit for what we want to do. No one can predict to terrorism, because that is its' most devastating manifest... to say Obama would be "tested" is moreso revealing Biden is STILL not ready for primetime. Drop him at the next term, or sooner if he can't shut his pie hole.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 22, 2008 4:26 PM

I love this biased article tiny blurb about what McCain says and huge 6 paragraph diatribe about what OBama Bin Laden says - more proof positive on the media bias that reeks in this campaign. I am not voting for a man whose pastor spews rhetoric like GD America and friends who say wish I'd bombed more and who bragged about being and avid cocaine user. You couldn't even get on the police department with this type of record!

My vote is going to an American Hero -- who fought for his country with bravery above and beyond what was expected!!

Not someone who critisizes Americans whilst living out the American Dream with his family.

Also, tired of fear-mongering and finger pointing that was started by the Dem's over the economy which has done nothing more than create the unstable environment for our markets and only adding to the problem.

Posted by: jlyoung77 | October 22, 2008 4:26 PM

The other night on Charlie Rose a very intelligent man from India said when ask if he could vote who would he vote for,he said...My head tells me Senator McCain and he explained why, but my heart tells me Senator Obama and he explained why.
It was kind of like the same thing you tell your child when their in a bad relationship.Do not let your heart rule, use your head.
Isn't it wonderful that we live in the Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave,so that we can express our opinions like this.

Posted by: himaintenancewoman | October 22, 2008 4:23 PM

"So, A vote for Obama is a vote for danger, Joe: Is that what you're telling us- Thanks for the Warning! I'll stick with Foreign Policy Credentials at the Top of my Ticket. "

cannula,

Obviously you are biased, because i doubt you are that stupid. Biden said that, from experience, every president is tested within 6 months of presidency, and Obama is ready.

Any other interpritation is wrong.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 4:22 PM

Thecannula,

Hate to break it too you but we are in a crisis right now...a real crisis and your boy McLame failed it miserably running around like a chicken with his head cut off!

Why assume that the crisis Biden referred to is world war III or something to the effect???

Idiots!!!

Posted by: lwattsII | October 22, 2008 4:21 PM

In the words of John McCain:

"I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief."

"I really believe, that when you are -- reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more."

So why does he think it is a bad idea now?

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 4:20 PM

ABC News- REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL PART 3

"At a Seattle, Wash., fundraiser Sunday, Biden said, "Mark my words, it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America ... Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.""

So, A vote for Obama is a vote for danger, Joe: Is that what you're telling us- Thanks for the Warning! I'll stick with Foreign Policy Credentials at the Top of my Ticket.

Posted by: thecannula | October 22, 2008 4:17 PM

"I wonder what the Greek set cost at Obama's coronation, and who paid for it? These were accessories to the candidate image the DNC and Obama's advisors wanted to project. Contrast this to the simple, relatively unadorned stage at the RNC. Nor are image expenses uncommon or even unique to the RNC; contemporary or even historical comparisons would render this a non-issue if the media were actually reporting facts. The only reason the comparison goes unchallenged is that the MSM is a de facto ancillary to the DNC."

WOW.

"Lets hate Obama because of his stage props."

You are sad.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 4:16 PM

The other night on Charlie Rose a very intelligent man from India said when ask if he could vote who would he vote for,he said...My head tells me Senator McCain and he explained why, but my heart tells me Senator Obama and he explained why.
It was kind of like the same thing you tell your child when their in a bad relationship.Do not let your heart rule, use your head.
Isn't it wonderful that we live in the Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave,so that we can express our opinions like this.

Posted by: himaintenancewoman | October 22, 2008 4:15 PM

The reason why Palin's wardrobe expenses are such a big deal is because she billed HERSELF as the average everyday Joe Six-Pack/Hockey Mom/WalMart Mom.

She brought this foolishness on herself. Obama never claimed to be a poor man running for poor people. As we know, he is awesome at budgeting his money and making his supporters dollars stretch far.

take lessons!

Posted by: lwattsII | October 22, 2008 4:15 PM

REPUBLICAN FOR OBAMA BIDEN 08...!!!

NETHERLANDS ANTILLE

Posted by: fu_buki | October 22, 2008 4:14 PM

"Lincoln was a republican you fool!

Obama is not a thinker and has no moral compass.. that is why he is a liberal democrat."

Posted by: charles4

Actually Lincoln was only elected President on the Republican ticket in 1860. When he was re-elected in 1864 it was under the National Union Party ticket as the Republican party had partly disavowed him, supporting a different candidate, John C. Frémont.

It should also be noted that the Republican party of the 1800s was a far different party than the one that we have today. The Republican party was far more centrist and liberal on many issues including how involved the Federal government would be with regard to the economy, ...

Posted by: ssejhill | October 22, 2008 4:13 PM

osullivanc1, you're right: al qaeda would love to see "an impetuous American leader such as McCain" get elected, since he would continue to play into the strategy of al qaeda just as Bush has for the last seven years. Bin Laden even said in a 2004 videotape that his goal was to bankrupt the U.S. (http://tinyurl.com/4bbb5):

"'We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy' bin Laden said....'We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years [in the 1980's in Afghanistan] until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.'

"He also said al Qaeda has found it 'easy for us to provoke and bait this administration....All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations.'"

As far as I know, Bush has never even acknowledged, much less addressed, these expressions of al qaeda strategy; he's just to all appearances gone along and played right into their hands.

At the very least, McCain should be required to tell the American people why he has supported such a self-defeating policy, or explain why bin Laden is mistaken in his analysis (after having just voted for a $700 billion bailout for our financial institutions). But considering McCain's erratic behavior over recent months and his fondness for impetuous decisions, I think he has a hard sell arguing against the point of an al queda endorsement.

Posted by: DHughs | October 22, 2008 4:13 PM


In the words of John McCain:

"I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief."

"I really believe, that when you are -- reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more."

So why does he think it is a bad idea now?

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 4:10 PM

I wonder what the Greek set cost at Obama's coronation, and who paid for it? These were accessories to the candidate image the DNC and Obama's advisors wanted to project. Contrast this to the simple, relatively unadorned stage at the RNC. Nor are image expenses uncommon or even unique to the RNC; contemporary or even historical comparisons would render this a non-issue if the media were actually reporting facts. The only reason the comparison goes unchallenged is that the MSM is a de facto ancillary to the DNC.

Posted by: FlyDiesel | October 22, 2008 4:09 PM

Im tired of hearing chaos and crisis theories, where you think the money is coming from, or about one little statement by the vp candidate that was unsuccessful as a tactic to turn the polls. I expect everyone has learned from the failed attempts of others trying to characterize one as anti-american to describe a person of which they probably know nothing about. Fear tactics have failed. Get ready for the leadership of a different party with excellent intentions and plans for our country that just might pull us out of this pit of shame that our current admin has bored us into. It wont be as bad as you think. Read a little.

I expect critisizm for being so undetailed but I don't have time for an article of my own.

Posted by: Anony1 | October 22, 2008 4:08 PM

So why did the RNC and not McCain's committee pay for the accessories?

The 2002 campaign finance law that bears McCain's name specifically barred any funds that "are donated for the purpose of supporting the activities of a federal or state office holder" from being used for personal expenses including clothing. A quirk in the law does not specifically mention party committees, however.

That doesn't mean the expenditure would not be subject to a challenge before the Federal Election Commission.

Lawrence M. Noble, former general counsel at the FEC, noted that as a coordinated party expense, the clothing purchase could be considered a contribution to the campaign.

"And if it was a contribution, then it could not have been used for buying clothing," Noble said. "I don't know how the FEC would come out on that question."

"If it is covered (as a personal use expense), the argument that we were going to give it to a charity doesn't help," he added.

Fifteen years ago, McCain himself complained that restrictions on political contributions for personal use at that time were too broad and he wrote an amendment to tighten the law.

"The use of campaign funds for items which most Americans would consider to be strictly personal reasons, in my view, erodes public confidence and erodes it significantly," he said on the Senate floor in May 1993.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 4:02 PM

"hey drain you: how much money has BO spent during this campaign?"

Not enough, Jeffery, not enough to bury McCain and Palin so deep in their own filth that we never have to see them again.

The fact is, no matter how much Obama spends, he will never get across to idiots like you who only care about things like flag pins.

People that care about policies have already welcomed Obama as president for months. Buying commercials is only for people who watch TV, not people who read newspapers. Obama is pandering to the people who have no idea what is going on in politics, because these people see McCain's lies and vote because McCain scares them into it.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 4:00 PM

hey drain you: how much money has BO spent during this campaign?

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:55 PM

AL Qeada endorsement is complletly bogus. as the article reads "The message is credited to a frequent and apparently respected contributor named Muhammad Haafid"
if you read the entire article you will see that there is no mention of the website just that it is a password protected website and the "endorsement" was from a "contributor"
this would compare to a posting on this site being qouted as a endorsement WAKE UP PEOPLE
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/22/al-qaeda-linked-web-site-backs-mccain-president/

Posted by: sincityjos | October 22, 2008 3:52 PM

The Republican party is failing its base right now.

Note these points:

*It is a near certainty that Obama will be president in 2 weeks.

*There has been wholesale rejection of extreme conservative positions (especially as championed by Bush).

*Population demographics suggest that the Democrats will have the numerical advantage for decades to come.

*The mood in the country is one of reconciliation and moderation.

These points all bode ill for the extreme right-wing ideology that the GOP is using to fire-up its base.

If the GOP is not careful, and if it doesn't try to coax its base near to the productive middle, the party and its supporters could be in the wilderness for decades to come.

Posted by: NittyGritty08 | October 22, 2008 3:51 PM

Side Show Palin is a Freeloader.


$150,000 shopping sprees (at all the best "elitist" shops, no less), on the Republican National Committee tab.
.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html


$21,012 worth of free flights for her daughters, charged to the state.
.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/10/22/alaska_paid_for_palin_daughters_to_travel/


All this, when she already makes $125,000 a year as governor and pockets an extra $22,883 in energy extraction royalties.


Sarah Palin is a chisler supreme.


All of which makes the fact that she charged $16,951 in expenses charged to the state, including 312 per diem allowances for staying in her own home just that much more amazing.
.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html


A dual income family, with Sarah earning $125K. Free travel (even for the family), and now free clothes, hair and makeup. They can actually go out in her backyard and shoot a moose, keeping her family in free mooseburger for a year. And still she feels the need to cheat. Shoot that moose for free and still charge the state $60 per burger. And she claims she deserves every bit of it.


Now that's what I call a perverse sense of entitlement.


"Sounds like socialism to me," to borrow a phrase.


Just another fake "bootstrapper" Republican. What a shocker.


Meanwhile, we all have to endure the indignity of Palin turning the campaign for the Vice Presidency into some kind of FOX reality TV makeover show, where they take some ridiculously not-ready-for-prime-time pol and dress her up, push her out on the stage, and see if they can turn her into a VP in 10 weeks.


What the heck, right? It's just being second in line to the nuclear launch codes. No big thing. We could even do a whole copromotional deal with moose sandwiches at Subway.


Thanks, Republicans. You sure do love your country n' stuff.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 22, 2008 3:50 PM

"I think with Obama, Whites will be target of Racism this will reverse the course of equal opportunity. Its not because of American people but due to dividing policies of Obama who could paint even clinton with racism later begged him for support"

I actually agree to a point. I think it will be the IDIOT whites who will be targeted with racism, and it is about damn time.

I know plenty of "white" people, including myself, who have NO USE for racism. Maybe people will wake up and realize that everyone is equal, and the minority will be the idiots who still believe in racism.

I will be racist against racists. Rednecks and good-ol-boys, who promote ignorance, make me sick.

It is not cool to be stupid.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:48 PM

dude! you're as ill as biden!

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:48 PM

"hey inde: how much money has BO spent during his campaign?"

I hope he spent my $30, or at least the profit from selling me the t-shirt.

I'd like to buy Obama a steak dinner for shaking things up in Washington and pissing off all the racist conservatives.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:44 PM

I think with Obama, Whites will be target of Racism this will reverse the course of equal opportunity. Its not because of American people but due to dividing policies of Obama who could paint even clinton with racism later begged him for support

Posted by: mrn744 | October 22, 2008 3:41 PM

"Hey, Independent4tw

WHAT terrorists in Iraq????
It's pretty much common knowledge now that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, there were no WMD's in Iraq, Iraq was not close to a nuke, nor were they amassing botulinum toxin.
Stop parroting Bush and educate yourself, for crying out loud!"

I AGREE! REREAD MY COMMENT AND YOU WILL NOTICE QUOTATION MARKS AROUND THE COMMENT THAT I WAS REFERENCING. IF THERE ARE TERRORISTS IN IRAQ NOW, IT IS BECAUSE WE PUT THEM THERE.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:40 PM

hey inde: how much money has BO spent during his campaign?

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:40 PM

guess these sickos have the same crystal ball as biden

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:38 PM

"Independent4tw : Obama has over 600 contributors of over $30k, over 2000 contributed over $25k. (Do you ever actually READ? NY Times actually published that dish.) Small potatoes, huh? guess if that's small contributions to you, you will be getting your taxes raised big time ala Obama/Frank/Pelosi. Good luck to you."


cyrix1,

"For Obama, 47 percent of money raised has come from individuals who have donated $200 or less, while 27 percent has come from persons who have donated $2,300 or more.

For McCain, the numbers are nearly the opposite, with 26 percent of donations coming from people who have donated $200 or less and 49 percent from individuals who have donated $2,300 or more."
-Factcheck.org

So if Obama raised $290million(factcheck.org) and 47% was from people who donated $200 or less, that makes 290,000,000*.47/200= AT LEAST 681,000 people.(if everyone donated $200, which is not even close to the right amount)

I fair estimate would be double that number, or 1.3MILLION people donated less then $200 dollars.

Do the math for McCain and you get about 47,000 people.

So, even though Obama has some rich supporters, most of his contribution came from everyday people. So everyday "AVERAGE AMERICANS" are funding Obama's campaign.

You comment proves nothing except the fact that rich people, who can afford to give alot more then $200, don't care that they will have higher taxes as long as THEY DO NOT HAVE AN IDIOT LIKE MCCAIN IN CHARGE.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:37 PM

Hey, at least when Biden speaks he does so in complete sentences, unlike Fraulein Palin. I can imagine her sitting across the table from Medvedev and making one of her incoherent statements followed by a "u betcha" and a wink. That will make them think twice about challenging the good ol' US of A by golly! Moose-olini needs to go back to the Democratic Republic of Alaska.

Posted by: caebling | October 22, 2008 3:34 PM

There is historical precedent for what Joe Biden said; it happened early in the Kennedy administration.

Kennedy sat down with Kruschev for a no-preconditions series of talks. Kennedy himself, and his biographers, stated that Kruschev bullied and challenged him, saying that only the USA can decide whether or not there would be war. Kennedy is quoted as having said "..he beat the hell out of me."

Following the 'talks', more like a diatribe, the USSR began placing missiles in Cuba. This was met by Kennedy with a very strong response, as he realized he needed to show some backbone or be Kruschev's whipping boy for the next 3 1/2 years. This is commonly known, and no surprise. What is less commonly known, but no less true, is that Kennedy felt the need to stand up to the USSR wherever he could. As it happened, the only shooting match at the time was in Southeast Asia, in a country we all know- Vietnam.

All of this is verifiable history; we don't have to guess at the veracity of the tellers of this particular series of events. What is not known is the outcome of Obama's choice to weaken the country and adopt a conciliatory tone to the world. This often didn't work out well in the past- Kennedy, Neville Chamberlain, and so on.

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing in the same way and expect a different outcome. Pretending that Obama has knowledge and capabilities far beyond those of mortal men only applies to comic books. In real life, Biden is quite right.

Posted by: FlyDiesel | October 22, 2008 3:34 PM

hey armstrong: get a brain and spare us your BS. Go vote for BO the genius.

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:31 PM

TruthWalksOnWater : Don't you Obama supporters read? Good grief. Please see actual link from ABC reporter who broke the story, TruthWalksOnWater only saw a headline on MSNBC and is ignorant of the entire story. I may also suggest he maybe listen to one of the youtube posts that plays the entire audio for him if reading is too hard.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html

Posted by: cyrix1 | October 22, 2008 3:29 PM

Oops, sorry Independent4tw,

Didn't recognize that you were quoting and rebutting. My bad!

Posted by: sarmstrong71 | October 22, 2008 3:29 PM

hey inde, get a job and spare us your BS.

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:27 PM

Hey, Independent4tw

WHAT terrorists in Iraq????
It's pretty much common knowledge now that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, there were no WMD's in Iraq, Iraq was not close to a nuke, nor were they amassing botulinum toxin.
Stop parroting Bush and educate yourself, for crying out loud!

Posted by: sarmstrong71 | October 22, 2008 3:26 PM

"With Obama you will have a FAT Governament, And Americans need to Walk Governament, Talk Governament,Eat and Seep Governament.
Finally there will be no employer other than Governament oh my god who will get the juicy tax cuts that he proposed"

Mrn744,

Please go learn how to spell and make complete sentences, then come back and spout garbage.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:26 PM

Yeah, that is what we need - A President and VP in the White House who make 'rhetorial flourishes' that scare American citizens when they are already experiencing unacceptable levels of fear. That'll 'kick start' our economy. NOT!

Posted by: lanesharon | October 22, 2008 3:24 PM

mbshults,

quotations mean i am QUOTING someone else. The first half is some idiot saying that Iraq is where the terrorists are, the second is my response saying that they were not there until we created them.

And yes, we should leave Iraq, because throwing gas on a fire never puts the fire out, no matter how much gas you add. Just like, killing terrorists by bombing civilians only creates more terrorists.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:24 PM

What's left out is that Biden finished the comment by saying:
"THEY WILL FIND OUT [OBAMA] has a SPINE OF STEEL"
Liberal media? BS

I cant believe the entire media is cuttting off the words and the entire meaning of the Bidens intended message

Posted by: TruthWalksOnWater | October 22, 2008 3:23 PM

Independent4tw : Obama has over 600 contributors of over $30k, over 2000 contributed over $25k. (Do you ever actually READ? NY Times actually published that dish.) Small potatoes, huh? guess if that's small contributions to you, you will be getting your taxes raised big time ala Obama/Frank/Pelosi. Good luck to you.

Posted by: cyrix1 | October 22, 2008 3:21 PM

With Obama you will have a FAT Governament, And Americans need to Walk Governament, Talk Governament,Eat and Seep Governament.
Finally there will be no employer other than Governament oh my god who will get the juicy tax cuts that he proposed

Posted by: mrn744 | October 22, 2008 3:19 PM

we need to let BO win this thing so we can beat him over the head for 4 years. it's too much fun.

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:19 PM


NO HOW, NO WAY, NO MCCAIN=====Barack and Barack Supporters, ....Take nothing for granted..... You've got to earn it EVERY DAY.....WORK HARDER....WORK SMARTER....The next 12 days will tell the tale of who convinces the American Public they can do the job.....We know it's not Mccain because he can't even figure out any aspect of the economy, or talk to the middle class, or get away from his good ol' buddy George Dubya's failed policies, or explain his poor judgment in selecting Palin---We have got to make January 20, 2009 --THE END OF AN ERROR!!!!.....EVERYONE MUST WORK TO MAKE GOOD THINGS HAPPEN....LET'S ALL PUT OBAMA AND BIDEN TO WORK FOR ALL AMERICA!!!....Now is the time to talk to every friend, all neighbors, also your co-workers, and get them to VOTE EARLY or at least get to the polls to VOTE...NOW IS THE TIME!!

Posted by: benighse | October 22, 2008 3:18 PM

Independent4tw,

Was your post really thought out or are you just exercising mental flatulence?

Your own post contradicts itself. We are staying in Iraq and creating terrorists so we should not get out? Why, so we can keep creating more terrorists?

Iraq needs to be turned over to their country or we are just viewed as conquerors and occupiers. Yes, thus creating more radicalism. Setting a realistic timetable makes sense as it puts Iraqi government on notice that they have to resolve sharing governance and oil wealth.

Bin Ladin is in Afghanistan and not Iraq. Are you saying we should not go after him?

Violence has escalated in Afghanistan with open attacks and commanders are begging for more troops. Are you saying we should not give them that support?

Yes, the terrorists in Iraq are NOT a threat to the US and those in Afghanistan are a threat. Pretty much every expert agrees on that point.

You don't make much sense.

Posted by: mbshults | October 22, 2008 3:17 PM

"Dems seems crazy , they dont seem to have tolerance for critisicm which is basics of demorcary. What more can you expect out of followers of a Obama who thinks he can buy an american election with lots of money.
atleast One person Biden has stood apart and has been consistent with his message Obama is not ready"

Average Americans gave Obama MOST of his money.

You say that Obama is buying his presidency.

Well, then Average Americans are buying the president this year.

You are just sore because the rich corporate lobbyists are not buying the presidency again.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:17 PM

hamishdad: you cannot be serious!! there are more errors in your essay than accuracies!!

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:17 PM

Abraham Lincoln and Barack Obama same !!! Give me atleast one good Logical reason

Posted by: mrn744 | October 22, 2008 3:16 PM

hamishdad,

Lincoln was a republican you fool!

Obama is not a thinker and has no moral compass.. that is why he is a liberal democrat.

Posted by: charles4 | October 22, 2008 3:15 PM

Nothing wrong with Biden's comments. At least he has more than a room temperature IQ, unlike Sarah Palin.

Posted by: AbolhassanBaniSadr | October 22, 2008 3:14 PM

Common now people. You have to be more intelligent than to think that Biden would say that Obama is not ready to face the challenges ahead. It's ridiculous that the republican campaign can even come up with such an argument. They must have some really stupid running this election or perhaps they feel that people are too dumb to understand what Biden was saying. What a bunch of baloney.

Posted by: janitor1 | October 22, 2008 3:12 PM

Russia is about to invade Estonia and or the Ukraine.

Iran is building nuclear weapons.

China is pillaging Africa with money we spend at walmart.

Global warming idiocy has distracted many, and wasted so much American brainpower and money.

Obama is getting huge contributions from overseas.

and Americans dont understand that Rhetoric is not thought, and that a rhetorical argument is not a solution.

NOBAMA 2008

Posted by: charles4 | October 22, 2008 3:12 PM

Independent4tw : Yes, erm, Biden DID say specifically Obama-- going so far as to compare him to an untested JFK (reading entire stories is suggested)

osullivanc1 : Let's see...Obama's one Sec of State (who btw assured us Bush was THE MAN and made me believe in Iraq WMD's--so I no longer believe his opinion is to be trusted) to McCain's four. But you go ahead and continue to believe Powell has it right THIS time.

Posted by: cyrix1 | October 22, 2008 3:12 PM

Years from now, I think we will appreciate the similarities between Abraham Lincoln and Barack Obama:

Both studied law.
Both were tall and lanky.
Both were senators from Illinois.
Both spoke with eloquence.
Both faced a divided nation in crisis.
Both had to deal with an unpopular war.
Both were portrayed as monkeys in political cartoons.
Both were hated by racist Republicans.
Both were among the best Presidents in U.S. History.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 22, 2008 3:11 PM

Biden you are right, there will be crisis in less than 6 months if Obama is president.

American society will be rebuild to basics everything will be Govt. Which will make it to lose its edge of competion technology, superiority

alreay a different world is waiting for Obama to win and see a weaker and vulenerable America

Posted by: mrn744 | October 22, 2008 3:11 PM

Biden needs a shrink. Can you imagine this maniac as Pres?

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:11 PM

Palin doesn't give enough interviews (any?) to capture a lot of misspeaks, but wow, whenever she does open her mouth, mostly embarrassing stupidity exits. Nice try, attempting to make Senator Biden's comment into something negative...it is a nonstory, and if this is the only perceived negative coming from Joe Biden, who is on camera being quoted up to four times in one day...well, you are very sad and desparate, if not grasping for straws. Fear does that.

Posted by: NBSsacramento | October 22, 2008 3:09 PM

* The first World Trade Center bombing occurred less than six weeks after Bill Clinton took office.

* There was reportedly another attack in preparation for early 1997 if Dole defeated Clinton, but the plan was shelved after Dole lost and the Clinton administration continued.

* The 9/11 attacks occurred less than eight months after George W. Bush took office.

What these have in common is terrorists seeking to try to exploit a transition period in the US government. So it seems reasonable to assume, and protect against, another terrorist attack not too long after the next President takes office, regardless of who's elected.

It's just a matter of which candidate a voter thinks would do a better job trying to prevent, or deal with the after-effects, of such an event.

But please don't "shoot the messenger" (regardless of party) for pointing out that there's a strong likelihood that terrorists have plans in the works.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | October 22, 2008 3:08 PM

okay snake head: i watched video. why don't you grace us with your brilliant answer to this question from a child?

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:08 PM

Obama says these are rhetorical flourishes because HELLO slumbering masses! We already have a national crisis. There is no need for a new one. We are losing jobs, life savings, homes, and we need some new test for Obama? What a joke!

We are in the midst of a national crisis people. Yeah, I would say that rhetorical flourishes may aptly describe Joe's propensity for taking foot and inserting it in his own mouth. Too bad it doesn't get lodged there.

Posted by: mbshults | October 22, 2008 3:07 PM

"Have you noticed how Barack can create these mental separations that seem to appear to only him? For instance, in this article it quotes Barack as saying the war should be shifted to Afghanistan. His implied message is that terrorists in Afghanistan are a threat to the US but the terrorists in Iraq -- a war where we are actually doing well -- these are not a threat. Has Barack put a timetable on his new Afghan war, or is this a "good war" and thus exempt?"

What terrorists in Iraq? Do you mean the ones that we let into Iraq in the last 5 years or the ones that we made by killing innocent civilians in a war with no cause?

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:07 PM

Hey, at least he's not Sarah Palin. But we can say that here in the anti-american part of the USA.

Posted by: steeleswitters | October 22, 2008 3:06 PM

Dems seems crazy , they dont seem to have tolerance for critisicm which is basics of demorcary. What more can you expect out of followers of a Obama who thinks he can buy an american election with lots of money.
atleast One person Biden has stood apart and has been consistent with his message Obama is not ready

Posted by: mrn744 | October 22, 2008 3:05 PM

Check out this video of Sarah Palin answering a 3rd grader's question about what the job of the VP is, Scary:

http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-to-third-grader-vice.html

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 22, 2008 3:04 PM

BIDEN WAS ONLY SAYING THAT, IN HIS EXPERIENCE, EVERY PRESIDENT GETS TESTED WITHIN 6 MONTHS AND OBAMA IS READY ON DAY ONE.

If you do not understand Biden's comment, then obviously you are biased. It was a pretty obvious comment, and it is true.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:04 PM

Biden probably should not have said what he said, but he is more than right. Obama will be facing international challenges from the moment he enters office. It is a bit troublesome that he defines the challenges the way he does. Clearly an Iran which U.S. intelligence now believes will go nuclear in 2009 , the Iran which is the principal terror- supporting state is a greater challenge than Iraq or Afghanistan. I just finished reading Robert Kennedy's book 'Thirteen Days' which describes the way President Kennedy acted in the Cuban Missile crisis. President Kennedy did not seek confrontation, did his best to avoid it but when it came he knew how to be firm where required. Let us hope that if Barack Obama does become President he will understand that while conciliation is the preferred way there are those with whom it simply will not work.

Posted by: ShalomFreedman | October 22, 2008 3:04 PM

Have you noticed how Barack can create these mental separations that seem to appear to only him? For instance, in this article it quotes Barack as saying the war should be shifted to Afghanistan. His implied message is that terrorists in Afghanistan are a threat to the US but the terrorists in Iraq -- a war where we are actually doing well -- these are not a threat. Has Barack put a timetable on his new Afghan war, or is this a "good war" and thus exempt?

Posted by: guythompto | October 22, 2008 3:04 PM

does it concern anyone that BO's first big decision was to select a mentally unstable or mentally ill VP?

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:03 PM

"Biden is true man he sticks to his point Obama not ready to be president its like hard for that man to hide truth he wanted to say something but it was truth that worked out logically"

I can't understand your comment so how do I expect you to understand Biden's comment.

BIDEN WAS ONLY SAYING THAT, IN HIS EXPERIENCE, EVERY PRESIDENT GETS TESTED WITHIN 6 MONTHS AND OBAMA IS READY ON DAY ONE.

If you do not understand Biden's comment, then obviously you are biased. It was a pretty obvious comment, and it is true.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:03 PM

@ca67klein,

You're right it would make headlines due to incredulity!

Everything we've seen from Sarah Palin indicates she couldn't possibly possess the intellectual wherewithal to make such sage, profound and visionary policy statements.

Posted by: HammerTime1 | October 22, 2008 3:03 PM

dangerous times is right - and right now one of the most dangerous men in the world is 'w' the little ideological fool sitting in our own White House promoting the agenda of the 'giants of propaganda'.
it is comforting to know that a huge coalition of moderate, common-sense Americans are already casting their patriotic votes for Barack Obama!

Posted by: lawrence2xl | October 22, 2008 3:02 PM

Does it concern anyone that our VP is mentally unstable?

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 22, 2008 3:01 PM

Biden is true man he sticks to his point Obama not ready to be president its like hard for that man to hide truth he wanted to say something but it was truth that worked out logically

Posted by: mrn744 | October 22, 2008 3:00 PM

I am astonished at the length some repubs will go to try to smear Obama.

Biden said that the president has to be ready on day one.

Biden DID NOT say that a crisis will be created to test Obama.

Stop being crybabies, admit when you are wrong or shut the FK up.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 3:00 PM

Opinion poll merely reflect opinion of 1000 or 2000 people across states,Its not a good idea to rely on these and ride high. Sky Scrappers on Bamboos

Posted by: mrn744 | October 22, 2008 2:58 PM

Biden, for once, has said something intelligent and truthful, and the top of his ticket is doing his best to pop the bubble of that truth? "Rhetorical flourishes?" What a hoot.

Posted by: flintston | October 22, 2008 2:57 PM

An interview with Sarah Palin on CNN.com earlier today (10-22-08) actually ended with Sarah Palin telling the interviewer that if she had said anything remotely like what Joe Biden said that she would have been clobbered. The interviewer actually was honest in saying, "Yes you would have been." The fact that this is getting virtually no MSM coverage is very telling.

Posted by: sherriekevin | October 22, 2008 2:57 PM

You know a conversation should begin about how the Republican Party threw it's candidate for President under the bus, and should those who participated be accountable for such an underhanded move.

When Mr. McCain suspended his campaign to return to Washington to deal with the economic crisis, the House Republicans did nothing short of telling the world that Mr. McCain was not a leader they would follow.

They publicly humiliated their candidate, and in doing so denigrated his leadership qualities.

If Mr. McCain loses this election, the renegade House Republican's should share a heaping helping of contribution to that loss.

Posted by: larry20 | October 22, 2008 2:55 PM

Its Negative Vote agaisnt Govt Vs Mccain


Obama is no clinton as far as economy concernted.
Mccain is no bush as far as bush policies are concerned.

Think and Vote


Posted by: mrn744 | October 22, 2008 2:55 PM

IS AMERICAN CAPITALISM IS ABOUT TO CHANGE?

Don't let politicians, particularly the next President, or Congress, implement legislation that will deconstruct the system at the core of American society.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/10/capitalism-political-punching-bag.html

Posted by: JamesRaider | October 22, 2008 2:54 PM

I am sure the media will agree with Obama....
Now if Palin had said this all it would be the top story on MSNBC, NBC, NYT and WaPo.

All's fair in politics....yeah, right

Posted by: ca67klein | October 22, 2008 2:44 PM

Hclark and Markinaustin.....
Did you READ the article?
Because if you did and you still posted your "comments", the only answer as to why you posted your comments is that...
some people no matter what will continue to be idiots.....

Posted by: MUPPET | October 22, 2008 2:40 PM

JOE'S GOT AN INSIDE LINE. MAYBE THIS WAS HIS CALCULATED WAY TO RAISE A WARNING FLAG.

Don't write this off as a Biden "gaffe." When the senator spoke of a manufactured crisis, maybe it wasn't loose talk, but a warning to those who would attempt to disrupt the a new administration (or a president-elect) by instigating a national emergency.

Perhaps Biden's warning was intended for consumption both here and abroad.

These are dangerous times. Biden has been a staunch supporter of the security forces who protect America -- and it's likely that the vast majority of those forces do not wish to see American democracy endangered or subverted by ginned up chaos and crisis.

WHAT IF McCAIN-PALIN'S STRATEGY IS AIMED NOT JUST AT VOTERS, BUT AT THE APPARACHIK?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mccain-palins-fellow-traveler-insinuations-what-if-u-s-security-forces-agree

OR http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 22, 2008 2:21 PM

Let's see: Obama has the endorsement of COLIN POWELL and McCain just got the endorsement of AL QAEDA! Pretty funny. Just heard that McCain's neocon advisers are protesting al Qaeda's endorsement. Of course Randy Scheunemann, Woolsey, et al are going to protest this endorsement. But that's what it is, an endorsement. Al Qaeda has thrived on the neoncon mindset, which has managed to play right into al Qaeda's hands at almost every turn. Who is the Manchurian Candidate here? Most likely the ones the neoocns support: Palin and McCain. After all, almost everything the neocons have advised has turned out to play to AQ's advantage with every step.

Posted by: osullivanc1 | October 22, 2008 2:20 PM

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 22, 2008 2:17 PM

Did Obama just throw JOE BIDEN under the bus? Say "hi" to his grandma down there!

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 22, 2008 1:58 PM

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