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Polls Show McCain Leaning Into a Headwind

By Dan Balz
A big batch of battleground polls came out early Thursday and brought almost universally bad news for John McCain. The Republican nominee's path to the presidency is now extremely precarious and may depend on something unexpected taking control of a campaign that appears to have swung hard toward Barack Obama since the end of the debates.

There were eight polls produced by the Big Ten Battleground Poll group. Obama not only leads in all eight states by hefty margins but has improved his standing since the last time the group surveyed these states.

The numbers are startling. Obama leads by 12 points in Ohio, by 11 points in Pennsylvania and by 13 points in Wisconsin. In Michigan, where McCain's campaign has pulled out, the lead is 22 points. In Indiana, a strong red state, the Obama lead is 10 points, which is larger than in other recent polls.

Quinnipiac University released polls of three battlegrounds that it has been surveying regularly this cycle: Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. Obama leads in all three. In these surveys, Obama's lead in Pennsylvania is 13 points. In Ohio, which is a must-win for McCain, the lead is a whopping 14 points.

The one bright spot for McCain, if you can call it that, is Florida, where Obama's lead is just 5 points and slightly narrower than it was the last time Quinnipiac surveyed the Sunshine State. But that's not really a bright spot. McCain can't afford to lose Florida any more than he can afford to lose Ohio.

There may be quibbles with the particular margins in particular states, but the direction of these surveys is consistent with almost all national polling. National polls show a race in which Obama's lead is approaching or slightly into double digits. It's therefore not a surprise that many of the traditional battlegrounds look far less competitive today than they did a month ago.

The Washington Post-ABC News tracking poll has been holding steady around 10 points this week. The Gallup track has it between 5 and 8 points, depending on its model for determining the most likely voters. Pew put it at 14 points. The NBC-Wall Street Journal Poll showed a 10-point lead for Obama earlier this week.

Peter Hart, who helps conduct the survey, said that "what has been a tight and competitive race for six months has suddenly and dramatically opened up in Barack Obama's favor."

Hart concluded that after months of doubts, voters "have reached a comfort level with Barack Obama." In contrast, he said, McCain faces significant doubts "that he matches what Americans are looking for in terms of change or hope and optimism for the future."

There are certainly some polls that portray a different race. Some show Obama's margin in mid-single digits, and there was one poll this week that showed Obama with a lead of just a single point. Some pollsters see those variations and conclude that in a year like this, with the economy in such distress, the electorate is highly volatile. Be wary, they say, of drawing broad conclusions from even several polls at any given moment.

But even accounting for that volatility, there is no question that McCain is currently losing this race. By what margin is another question. If Obama's lead nationally is in high single digits, then, if past patterns hold, these battlegrounds are within a few points up or down from that margin.

Take Ohio as an example. Republican presidential candidates generally run a few points better in Ohio than they do nationally. That means if McCain can somehow trim the overall margin to low single digits nationally, he would be in a position to win Ohio. But if the national race looks closer to 10 points, then his hopes of winning Ohio diminish dramatically. The same dynamic holds for a state like Florida.

What all the polls, battleground and national, point to is that Obama now has multiple routes to the magic 270 electoral votes, while McCain has to win virtually everything that is competitive. Pollster.com lists eight tossup states. All were won by President Bush four years ago.

Of the eight Midwestern states surveyed by the Big Ten group, five went for John Kerry in 2004 (Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin). But other than Illinois, all were competitive last time. Now they are not. Of the other three, Bush won Ohio, Iowa (by a whisker) and Indiana. McCain's chances in Iowa look distant, though he will be there this weekend. Ohio is trending toward Obama and Indiana is clearly competitive.

Many analysts have long predicted that this the race could stay close until the very end, but that there was a possibility that it could pop open in the final weeks and if that happened, it would most likely go in Obama's direction.

The reasons are obvious. The economic meltdown has turned an anxious country into a stressed country. Voters are enormously pessimistic about the future and that's harmful to McCain as the nominee of the party that holds the White House. In the Big Ten polls, the economy dominates the issue environment: 61 percent of those surveyed in Ohio and Pennsylvania and 67 percent in Indiana cited the economy as the top issue.

"The Wall Street collapse has created a very bad headwind," Dick Wadhams, the Republican Party chairman in Colorado, said Thursday morning.

McCain is weighed down by President Bush's unpopularity. The president's approval rating is below 30 percent and much below that in many of the battleground states. That means McCain has to win over lots of voters who are unhappy with the performance of a Republican president.

It's often said that the race for the White House is not one campaign but 50 as the candidates battle for the electoral votes in one state after another. That's true in tight races, but when the margins open up, it's too much for a candidate to have to fight state by state.

Obama said earlier this week he expects the race to tighten in the final 10 days. That is sometimes customary. Some Republican strategists believe that will happen and make some of these battlegrounds more competitive than current polls suggest.

Immediately after the debates, some national polls hinted that the race might be tightening, but this week, the weight of evidence is that Obama continues to hold a solid lead nationally and in the states where it counts most.

McCain is hammering Obama on taxes and readiness and the question is whether, as voters focus on a possible Obama presidency, there will be second thoughts. That's what McCain must hope for, given the strength of the headwinds he's now facing.

Posted at 1:15 PM ET on Oct 23, 2008  | Category:  Dan Balz's Take
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To the person who wrote " just wish for one week John McCain could live the life of a man or woman, working a 40-hour week on minimum wage, paying payroll taxes, and living off that net income."

Well, Neither does Obama who made $4+ million last year and lives in a palatial home!

Also, just remember out of the $500M+ he has raised, a large amount of that has been potentially sucked dry from charities and burned on million dollar TV ads instead. Economy is very tight, people don't have that much extra cash sitting around that they give money to Obama and still some left for the Charities. Thanks Obama - I thought you were for the poor!

Posted by: neal8 | October 26, 2008 3:03 PM

To the person who wrote " just wish for one week John McCain could live the life of a man or woman, working a 40-hour week on minimum wage, paying payroll taxes, and living off that net income."

Well, Neither does Obama who made $4+ million last year and lives in a palatial home!

Also, just remember out of the $500M+ he has raised, a large amount of that has been potentially sucked dry from charities and burned on million dollar TV ads instead. Economy is very tight, people don't have that much extra cash sitting around that they give money to Obama and still some left for the Charities. Thanks Obama - I thought you were for the poor!

Posted by: neal8 | October 26, 2008 2:57 PM

Slinky Palin is champing at the bit for her chance to rule the world. She reminds me of a James Bond villain!

Since she gets her information directly from God instead of reading difficult science she is perhaps looking forward to bringing her 'army' to end times.

Posted by: rjbunny | October 26, 2008 2:26 PM

Ironic McCain is pushing his support for 'Joe' while supporting policies which will continue to make the rich richer and the rest of us sink to the bottom. This will result in the collapse of the capitalist system.

To maintain growth in a capitalist system, regulations protect business by setting standards which help ensure safe products and industry safety. Tax rates must be fair for all, not just tilted towards the wealthy. Consumers must have purchasing power. Without regulation and progressive taxation, the system will become unstable.

China's lack of regulation results in no one wanting to purchase their unsafe, unethically produced products. McCain will put the US in the same position.

Obama/Biden '08!!

Posted by: rjbunny | October 26, 2008 2:21 PM

"Obama enthusiastically supported the $750 billion-dollar bailout that Bush wanted. In other words, Obama (who supposedly is a friend of the downtrodden and the hardworking taxpayer) likes rewarding corrupt, robber-baron CEOs with your money."

Ummm, so did John McCain, who 'suspended' his campaign (immediately) to fly off to Washington (found time to go to a ball, a Couric interview, then show up 24 hours later..AND DIDNT SAY A DAMN THING DURING THE MEETING!!

"2: It is undisputed fact that Obama voted to raise income taxes for all making over $42,000 annually as an Illinois state senator."
That is FALSE and YOU know it! lol

"3: Senator Obama and key congressional Democratic friends of his such as Reps. Barney Frank and Maxine Waters (D-MA and CA, respectively) were instrumental in pushing for Clinton's Fair Housing Act, which required banks to lower their lending standards in an effort to boost minority homeownership."

No, silly, it was to prevent banks marginalizing people based on their address (REDLINING) rather than their credit.
In any event, the true cause of the collapse was due to banks creating complicated insurance models to underwrite their risk ( creating derivatives) and using that newly underwritten risk as collateral INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY HAVING REAL ASSETS TO BACK THEM UP WITH

"4: Taken cumulatively, Obama's promised spending plans would add up to an increase in federal spending of ONE TRILLION DOLLARS. Do you really think that ONLY those making $250,000 or more will be paying for something that massive?"

Why take them cumulatively, why not intravenously, or , in your case, anally?
WHOMEVER becomes President, a massive increase in spending and Federal support (i.e. printing money) will become necessary to shore up an economy that has had cardboard supports for 8 years!

At least we wont have much longer, the expenses of your "Greeted As Liberators War!"

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 25, 2008 8:56 PM

Barack Obama and ACORN Donation
 
Barack Hussein Obama recently made an $800,000 donation to the Marxist community-organizing group ACORN, which has illegally registered at least 300,000 ineligible voters. This has been very well-publicized and can be referenced in any Internet media search. Should we be voting for a candidate who stands idly by while one of his favorite nonprofits commits mass voter fraud? Is this somebody who respects the integrity of the electoral process? And also--Obama claims to be middle-class and to stand for the working man. How many American workers are able to make donations of close to a million dollars at the drop of a hat?
 
Five Reasons Barack Hussein Obama Cannot Be Trusted On Economy
 
1: To this day, Obama refuses to condemn or even criticize corrupt Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines, a key supporter of his, whose insane zeal for lowering the credit threshhold of new loan applicants played a pivotal role in collapsing the mortgage system.
 
2: It is undisputed fact that Obama voted to raise income taxes for all making over $42,000 annually as an Illinois state senator.
 
3: Senator Obama and key congressional Democratic friends of his such as Reps. Barney Frank and Maxine Waters (D-MA and CA, respectively) were instrumental in pushing for Clinton's Fair Housing Act, which required banks to lower their lending standards in an effort to boost minority homeownership.
 
4: Taken cumulatively, Obama's promised spending plans would add up to an increase in federal spending of ONE TRILLION DOLLARS. Do you really think that ONLY those making $250,000 or more will be paying for something that massive?
 
5: Obama enthusiastically supported the $750 billion-dollar bailout that Bush wanted. In other words, Obama (who supposedly is a friend of the downtrodden and the hardworking taxpayer) likes rewarding corrupt, robber-baron CEOs with your money.

Posted by: theurbangrind | October 25, 2008 8:10 PM

Is it *black man* hating lesbians or *black* man hating lesbians?
Are these lesbians susposed to hate black men or are they black and hate all men??
Neither makes any sense...

Posted by: fitz3 | October 25, 2008 5:17 PM

No one has seemingly noticed that the McCain worker has confessed that she lied about their being an attack and carved her own face. No one on the camera and she carved the 'B' backward.

Posted by: fitz3 | October 25, 2008 4:56 PM

Real Brother here.

The White Supremacists and Racists don't get it. Yes, there are alot of Racists and White Supremacists(and Black man hating lesbians) who aren't going to vote for Obama because he's Black.

The issue is NOT that McCain is "close" in the polls, the issue is McCain is an Idiot who has run a terrible campaign and is only hanging around at all because he's White.

Nobody Black or even progressive Whites will negate the fact that this election is about Race the Racists and White Supremacists have their Candidate(along with the Black man hating lesbians and Black Self-hating wish they were White Black Sellouts) and the sensible people have their choice (Barack Obama).

The issue is who has more people the Idiots who want McCain or the sensible people who want Obama.

I think we the sensible people will win out, we will see.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 24, 2008 9:04 PM

PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE REVIEW EDITORIAL-
The Race for President: King Obama
Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Crude oil prices rise and gasoline prices quickly follow suit. But when the price of crude drops, gas prices seldom seem to fall in any like proportion. As with gas and oil, so with liberal Big Media and the presidential polls.

Democrat Barack Obama, long measuring for White House drapes, was elevated to something exceeding messiah status among the major newspapers and TV networks when polls suggested his lead over Republican John McCain had surged into the political ionosphere.

That double-digit lead was all the confirmation required that the election essentially was over. But a funny thing happened along the route to King Obama's coronation: More recent polls have suggested the race has tightened; some even point to a statistical dead heat.

But those numbers certainly haven't received the same coverage as ones that suggested a President Obama was a foregone conclusion. Even Sen. Obama now is worrying about the risk of a "carried away" media being the precursor to his being "spanked" on Nov. 4.

Voters supposedly elect presidents. But this election cycle, it seems Big Media and its liberal enablers are hellbent on taking over that function. Just as that passenger-side mirror cautions how objects are closer than they appear, Sen. McCain is closer to Obama than Big Media are reflecting.

And such a distortion isn't very becoming of one of the great pillars of such a grand republic.

Posted by: thecannula | October 24, 2008 10:21 AM

"As we look back on history, let us all admit that Barack Obama's first year in the white house should not really count against his record, because,

his first year will be given over to on the job training."

I'm sure that Obama's one-year on-the-job training will be a lot more successful than George W. Bush's 7.75-year-and-counting on-the-job training.

Posted by: HippoMan | October 24, 2008 12:42 AM

Thank you John McCain for listening to

Sean Hannity

Rush Limbaugh

Karl Rove

If you would have picked a real woman of substance like Key Bailey Hutchingson you would be up in the polls.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 23, 2008 11:45 PM

Now that McCain is sinking, discombobulated Republicans are starting to spew nonsense about socialism and phony birth certificates and media conspiracies. Somebody on here is even claiming that Fox News' poll shows McCain in the lead (actually, Fox has Obama ahead by 9.) I had imagined that it would be gratifying to see them become totally unhinged and drown in their own bile, but the truth is that it kind of makes me sad. After this election, we're going to have a lot of work to do to get this country united again.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | October 23, 2008 11:29 PM

LOL, a headwind! It's called CNN, ABC, WAPO, NBC, NYT, MSNBC, and an opponent who thinks 'change' means he can say anything then do anything he wants and because of the criminal "news" organizations he does. A huge international crisis in the first 6 months: not news. A woman's clothes: headline. Personal cocaine use: not news. Wife's 20 year old drug abuse: headline. Terrorist friends; no experience; secretive personal history; no public or legislative history; emergency rush to injured relative THREE DAYS later; etc...NOT NEWS. It's a hurricane, not a headwind and yet their chosen one hasn't sealed the deal. If he wins, what on earth will his "news" buddies do with all the bad news? Maybe they can get some tips from the news orgs in China, Cuba and N. Korea.

Posted by: SWFang | October 23, 2008 11:18 PM

I work for a non-profit organization, but I know maybe two things about corporate finance. Lowering or at least keeping corporate taxes at a reasonable rate allows more money for investment in capital and the ability to pay off debt.
The best run companies in America are treated like crooks because they make money. I'm not a huge Exxon-Mobil fan, but overall, the mutual funds in my 403(b) retirement plan have about 15% of their value invested in it, so for me and virtually anyone with any equity exposure, at least realize that you are generating some benefit from their success and other greedy publicly traded corporations like them, and when they're finally taxed into submission, just remember to pull out.
I suppose that we can just tax the hell out of all profitable companies and rich people, and they will keep happily chugging away with no ill-effect and the rest of us will only reap the rewards of this great society into perpetuity.
I make less than $50,000 per year and will benefit from Obama's view on taxes and social engineering, but I still know a short-term fix with negative long-term implications when I see it.

Posted by: hp20081 | October 23, 2008 11:12 PM

Shame on you, Republicans, you who only care about yourselves, your pocket books, your children, and not your fellow human beings. Call yourselves Christians? Jesus would be ashamed of you.

Posted by: lichtzwang | October 23, 2008 10:23 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

They want to bring the end times so God will come and take them all to Heaven. What they don't realize is that man cannot decide when the end times will come, nor can they usher it in. God will come back when God is ready.

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | October 23, 2008 11:11 PM

"Campaign cost tops $5.3bn in most expensive White House race in history."
Why such expenses? It is still hasardous or premature (see last polls) to say that the Republicans, since many months, want to abandon the power to the Dems so a Dem Administration will have the responsability to clean the gigantic mess caused in the US, first by the handicaps the sociopathic division of the opinion put continuously on the Bush administration, second by the financial crisis, by the sleepy and obsolete giant industries, by the uncontrolable cost of medical care and by the sequellae of two wars in Middle Est.(Think about the prez of WW II, running also 2 wars, i.e. against Japan and Germany, continuously threatened to have military expenses cut!) Only a Democratic administration can make the mob swallow the coming bad pills without provoking riots in the streets of all US cities. McCain is an ex-air force pilot. Pilots don't like to fight on the ground, but they have an insightful vision from the sky of any hell on the ground. Did the Dems and their generous and panicky donators (bankers specially, those addict to Greenspan erratic behavior) fall head first into a trap? That's OK for me.

Posted by: rivenq | October 23, 2008 11:11 PM

What McCain went through in life, I pray that nobody has to go through. Do you think that a man who was tortured daily for 5 years doesn't understand hardship. We live in the greatest country in the world, don't believe then go travel abroad and talk to people about their healthcare, their taxes, and their socialist lifestyle. Why the heck do you think so many people are coming to this country? Obama looks to make our country into a socialized illuminati/progressive society. Wake up and think!

Posted by: mdrew378 | October 23, 2008 11:08 PM

At one point I was leaning toward McCain. But then Palin was introduced.

Then I realized how terrible was for McCain to have chosen Palin.

Palin does not have a clue about government, the economy, world affairs, and national problems.

This woman is in fact a very dangerous individual that if given the chance to become president (remember McCain is quite old and full of past health problems) can basically destroy our country with the wrong decisions.

I am actually afraid very much of an eventual Palin government. If that were to happen, I do not doubt for a moment she would be capable of starting a major worldwide military confrontation.

Whenever you have an incompetent person as world leader, it calls for total disaster.

Obama is ready. McCain is ready. Biden is ready. Mitt Romney would have been ready. Giuliani would have been ready, Ron Paul would have been ready.

Palin is not ready. She is a disaster waiting to happen. If she makes it to the oval office, our survival and our children's survival is at stake. She is bad news. Extremely dangerous!

Posted by: xangora2020 | October 23, 2008 11:04 PM

George W Bush and dimwit US Labor Secretary Elaine Chao have rarely met their monthly jobs creation targets in 8 years, proof the Bush tax cuts cannot possibly compete with the cheap labor pools available in India and China. As long as Republicans haven't raised taxes on CEOs, Republicans don't care.

It takes the creation of 100K-130K new jobs per month in the US just to absorb new graduates into the work force. If your job has gone offshore, it's not coming back. It's not being replaced. For everyone who was riled up about Bill Clinton lying under oath, Bush and Chao have lied every month for 8 years, and Chao enjoys a complete media blackout. Her name is never mentioned. She was chirping to the Wall Street Journal online in March that unemployment in the US was around 5%. At the same time, CNN online contained an article that if part-timers who cannot find full-time employment are counted, along with discouraged workers, unemployment in the US is closer to 9%. That was in March.

It's amazing to me that when Rush Limbaugh points out a President is lying, people recognize it. When Rush keeps his mouth shut, Americans literally don't have the arithmetic ability or common sense to recognize lies. I think it was Obama who wondered aloud why people weren't rioting in the streets.

Posted by: kevten | October 23, 2008 10:57 PM

"the question is whether, as voters focus on a possible Obama presidency, there will be second thoughts. That's what McCain must hope for"

It's time to move beyond the denial phase, Dan. It's OK to acknowledge your grief. It's part of the healing process.

Posted by: PeterPrinciple | October 23, 2008 10:49 PM

I'm voting for McCain regardless of what the polls say, because even if he loses at least I'll know that I voted for the better man.
I do not think that ACORN or Bill Ayers are meaningful issues, but when you look at how Obama has been dishonest about his involvement with organizations/people like this, it calls his current integrity into question. It's okay if you worked with them in the past, just admit it and move on with your campaign. How can we trust Obama when he will flip-flop on even simple things for the sake of getting elected, gambling (albeit with great odds) that the average person will never question what he says?
While the polls will not determine my vote, I recognize that they are valid (an unpopular Bush led Kerry, 49 to 47, in the last Gallup poll before the '04 election).
I've come to grips with the reality of an Obama presidency, and I've already starting imagining the ways that he'll find a way to blame George Bush for Obama's own failed policies. Does anyone else who's taken an introductory Economics class not understand how taxes fundamentally alter the angle of the supply curve, and now Obama wants to increase the tax burden of the most productive Americans? Americans making over $231,000 per year already contribute 86% of all federal income tax revenue (this is CBO data, you can look it up for yourself). But ignoring this simple fact, Obama is vilifying these people, and telling them to finally "pay their fair share."
Give me a break, a classic Democrat class-warfare pitch, only delivered with the ease and calmness of a true sociopath.

Posted by: hp20081 | October 23, 2008 10:49 PM

"the question is whether, as voters focus on a possible Obama presidency, there will be second thoughts. That's what McCain must hope for"

It's time to move beyond the denial phase, Dan. It's OK to acknowledge your grief. It's part of the healing process.

Posted by: PeterPrinciple | October 23, 2008 10:48 PM

HEY....ChooseTheBestCandidate! OR any f the other 50 names you use to spam this board. Can I paint the picture for everyone?
You have this large, overweight guy sitting in his underwear in his trailer, in some trailer park in Florida I'm guessing. Empty cans of Schlitz or Old Milwaukee line the desk and counters in this filthy place. Someone clearly with no formal education past high school (based on his grammar and ignorance of some pretty basic facts)

So to answer the dumbest statement yet: The FBI verifies place of birth and does the background check for every potential candidate prior to them running for president. Your boy W appointed the head of the FBI, still think it’s a conspiracy? Redneck
Now go clean up your trailer and brace yourself for an intelligent, articulate president.

Posted by: ahchad | October 23, 2008 10:42 PM

Today they showed mccain on tv when back in 1993 he stated in an interview that "campaign contributions should not be permitted to be used for buying clothing for a candidate."

Posted by: maphound | October 23, 2008 10:34 PM

I think McCaint loves to screw things...up that is

....McCaint screwed up royally in Western Pennsylvania yesterday when he accidentally sided with Democrats who have called the region racist....

Said McCain: "You know, I think you may have noticed that Senator Obama's supporters have been saying some pretty nasty things about Western Pennsylvania lately. And you know, I couldn't agree with them more."

....Wow this man was off Cindy meds that day...
===============================
You are right as far as the Campaign is concerned.

However I think that it was the true McCain and his thoughts. It just screwed the rovian style campaign. McCain want something out there as he is starting to realise that this campaign is lost.

I think he realises that it is due to those same rovian tactics taken overboard. Remember Karl Rove has said this campaign has gone too far.

As for McCain turning it around. Not going to happen. For McCain to win from this point takes something real drastic from the other side.

This is why Obama taking a break to be with his grandmother is not only morally correct, it is also politically advantageous. After all you do not make a mistake if you are not campaigning. That means instead of 12 days McCain has only 10 to hope for a horrible disaster to hit Obama campaign.

Posted by: guytaur1 | October 23, 2008 10:28 PM

Shame on you, Republicans, you who only care about yourselves, your pocket books, your children, and not your fellow human beings. Call yourselves Christians? Jesus would be ashamed of you.

Posted by: lichtzwang | October 23, 2008 10:23 PM

Phil6 wrote:

As we look back on history, let us all admit that Barack Obama's first year in the white house should not really count against his record, because,

his first year will be given over to on the job training."

No .. actually Phil6, it WILL count since President Obama will have to clean out the cesspool left by Bush, McCain and the rest of the corrupt, morally bankrupt and imperialist Republican Party.


Posted by: TightWhiteRight | October 23, 2008 10:18 PM

News Flash for those petty republicans. The Tax Plan Obama is better than McCain's offering. Here is why. Obama's tax cut means people get to keep a little more money to meet their needs. Usually buying groceries, dining, furniture, maybe the little extra cash they need to put down for a new car, clothing, toys for their kids or presents for their family and friends etc, etc. All these money is spent in businesses who in turn pay taxes. Yes, but these taxes are the ones who the customer paid. So at the end, that business its no paying taxes from its pocket. Those taxes the business is paying are paid for their customers. Yep. Now, these taxes go to create programs such as education, have our streets clean, our police department can have better patrols, our fire fighters can have better equipment to save your house in case you forgot to put that cigarette out when you were drinking your six pack of beer and passed out on the couch. Emergency programs to help in times of disasters( New Orleans, Texas, etc, etc. And of course our military forces can better equipment to keep them from harm. So... to those who are complaining because they will pay more taxes because your bussines is making over $300,000.00. NO YOU ARE NOT. YOUR BUSINESS TAXES GET PAID FOR BY YOUR CUSTOMERS. DON'T LIE. Also, you are not helping anyone who gets a tax cut, Because you are not paying any taxes. YOUR CUSTOMERS PAY YOUR BUSINESS TAXES. Stop being a narrow track minded person and stop typing lies.

Posted by: R3N364D3 | October 23, 2008 10:17 PM

Real Brother here.

[As any old sailor knows you can buck a headwind,but Obama has entered the doldrums.McCain will win. Canada just re elected a conservative government while the polls were calling for the socialist to win. When the voter gets into the booth they will see just how unfair the media has been to McCain a genuine hero for Obama will it prove to be the Achilles heal and not Obama's color but his socialist policies

Posted by: musing | October 23, 2008 10:00 PM ]

===========================================

Musing, who are you trying to convince?

And when did you White Racists and Supremacists come up with "Socialism" as your new codespeak for the N-Word?

Hillary, had the same politics as Obama, Clinton and Carter and everyone else Liberal, no one called them Socialists.

And what do you know of Obama's policies?

Colin Powell and Warren Buffet would NOT endorse a Socialist(Oprah).

And so the Racists and White Supremacists were able to defeat someone who would bring about meaningful change by calling them a "Socialist" and now you Idiots are trying it here?

Miss us with that nonsense.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 23, 2008 10:17 PM

As any old sailor knows you can buck a headwind,but Obama has entered the doldrums.McCain will win. Canada just re elected a conservative government while the polls were calling for the socialist to win. When the voter gets into the booth they will see just how unfair the media has been to McCain a genuine hero for Obama will it prove to be the Achilles heal and not Obama's color but his socialist policies

Posted by: musing | October 23, 2008 10:00 PM

Think America before you vote, Bush was elected twice by American people who was chanted by Media. Think Experience,Learning,Vision,Strategy before voting. Think Mccain who ran against George Bush, realize people of America, he always worked hard for America he is most reliable Senator.
Media Learn from your shameful deeds dont influence Voters

Posted by: mrn744 | October 23, 2008 9:50 PM

As we look back on history, let us all admit that Barack Obama's first year in the white house should not really count against his record, because,

his first year will be given over to on the job training.

Posted by: Phil6 | October 23, 2008 9:38 PM

McCain 45%

Obama 43%

Posted by: Phil6 | October 23, 2008 9:35 PM

This is not over until it's over. Today I read this article on the Boston Phoenix's website (linked to from Real Clear Politics) that made me get off my butt and back to canvassing for Obama.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/long_national_nightmare.html

These last few days are going to be a nail-biter. The local volunteer coordinator today told me "the poll numbers are a curse." She is absolutely right. If you've been thinking about volunteering for Obama, do it now. If you haven't been thinking about it, do it anyway. There is zero margin for error; this is going to take work and on Nov. 4th, it's going to take votes. No one will cast yours for you, please make sure your voice is heard.

Posted by: treetopflyer | October 23, 2008 9:30 PM

VirginiaConservative

After McCain's loss you may need anger management help.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 23, 2008 9:24 PM

Good night little wingnuts.

Sleep tight. And don't let the bedbugs bite! :)

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 9:19 PM

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 23, 2008 9:08 PM

Hockey mom with a $150000 wardrobe, that is the issue. A hockey mom would not spend $150000 in a lifetime. If you do not see that as an issue in this election so be it. My guess is only hockey mom's may not see it otherwise.

It is sort of like not remembering how many houses you have. The issue is trust and credibility. Maybe you do not find that important.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 23, 2008 9:18 PM

Whoever labeled liberalism as a mental disorder hit the nail on the head.

How liberals can cover for a guy who dedicates a book to RFK's murderer is beyond comprehension.

I guess it just goes to show - any of you are expendable for the cause.

Keep supporting these thugs - they live and breathe what you hysterically accuse the right of doing.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 23, 2008 9:18 PM

Particularly for choosebestcandidate:

For any of you that are still in la-la land about Senator Obama's birthplace, please note the LA Times, and other websites including FactCheck.org and PolitiFact.org have shown it and confirmed its legitimacy with the state of Hawaii.

Just go to Obama's Chicago headquarters - I'm sure they'll let you look at it if you ask them nicely.

If you look at the Honolulu Advertiser's birth announcements section on August 13, 1961, you'll see the announcement of the birth on August 4, 1961

Senator Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA.

Did you really even consider believing this?

Now can we move on to something important?

This idiocy thank goodness will be over soon.

Make sure you vote.

Every vote counts; do not take anything for granted.

Posted by: patrioticvet | October 23, 2008 9:16 PM

I just saw an CNBC piece about a developer who has added a clause that nullifies the purchase agreement if Obama loses.

Seems a buyer was interested, but wanted to wait 'till after the election, promting the developer to add the clause, which he is now advertising.

Posted by: jfern03 | October 23, 2008 9:14 PM

dont let the media take you down the same stupid road.

Palin's clothes isnt even on the table of considerations with regard to voting for a president.

i dont even kno why i even bothered to point it out... it is a non-issue.

think about something that will affect your life instead, like the morals of your children being compromised, or going to a classroom taught by someone who just might decide to hold that classroom hostage and blow up the whole school like BILL AYERS.

http://www.usafrica.us/

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 23, 2008 9:08 PM

"How can anyone hold a fundraiser during this economy? Last I heard Obama raised close to $400 million. Are you kidding me? Put this money back in the economy or better yet use it to insure the uninsured children. How can this frivoulus spending be justified? C'mon Post, dig in and get to the bottom of the real issues here."

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In the previous 2 elections the Republicans handily outspent the Democrats. Did you express outrage in 2000 and 2004? Personally I'm glad that Obama abandoned public campaign money. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. The Democrats have gotten smart and know what to bring to the fight. It's too bad that the party that gave us Willie Horton and the SwiftBoats ads (not to mention the smears that GWB's campaign made against McCain in SC during the 2000 primary) is upset and thinks that the Democrats are fighting dirty.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 9:06 PM

A McCain presidency would be as problematic and mistake-prone as the McCain campaign has been. Better that he lose.

Sha nana na
Sha nana na
Hey Hey
Good bye

Posted by: jfern03 | October 23, 2008 9:04 PM

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 23, 2008 8:50 PM |

If this gives you hope and allows you to deal with the Obama victory that we both see coming cling to your hope. After the reality that your politics of belligerency, distortion, dissembling and divisiveness has gone out of fashion you will be able to spend your life brooding and angry or you can come to the realization that you are going to have to compromise and negotiate or find yourself isolated and needing a mental health consultation.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 23, 2008 9:02 PM

Republicans really foaming at the mouth tonight.

Posted by: kinoworks

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Good thing this is on line and not in person. Otherwise we would need rabies shots.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 9:00 PM

The post is becoming more like CNN. What polls are you talking about. Fox polls show a dead heat, which is really where this race is going to be come Nov 4th. Can the media please write an unbiased article? This is becoming a joke to all of us. Why don't you post an article about the campaign spending? If I recall Obama was all for the public financing when he was the underdog last year and then he changed his mind when he became the nominee.

This race will not be decided on issues but how much money you can raise for ads. Look at any product or any election. Whoever spends the most usually wins. I wish each candidate will take on the public financing which happens to be $85 million, more than enough to run a robust campaign. If everything is equal then we will get the true leader of this great country based on their ideas and views not just a commercial smacking me in the face on every channel.

How can anyone hold a fundraiser during this economy? Last I heard Obama raised close to $400 million. Are you kidding me? Put this money back in the economy or better yet use it to insure the uninsured children. How can this frivoulus spending be justified? C'mon Post, dig in and get to the bottom of the real issues here.

Posted by: freddy12123 | October 23, 2008 8:59 PM

There was a note on the Intrade web sight a few days ago where the CEO noticed some suspicious movement towards McCain. But an investigation showed that this movement was legit.

Still Obama is trading about 85 and McCain at around 15. Remember that people are putting their money where their mouth is on this site.
Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 6:19 PM
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Back in September when Obama's odds were much lower there was a spread between the Obama odds on Intrade and another electronic market on the web At Intrade the odds on Obama was say 55 to 45 for McCain while on the other market it was 61 Obama and 39 McCain. You could buy McCain on one market and buy Obama on the other and hold till election day and make $6 minus costs. Before that time and since that time the spread is no more than three and has gone to -1. When I spoke about the market being perturbed I was referring to that spread.

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Of course this market works like any other futures market and that's how money is made. I'm not a commodities trader. I just find it interesting how accurate they have been on a number of future events.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 8:57 PM

if he had it he would have produced it.
NOTHING COULD BE MORE SIMPLE TO EXPLAIN.

with all due respect, common sense should tell you if OBAMA HAD A U.S. BIRTH CETIFICATE he would have simply produced to the Court.

instead obama is running all over the place writing briefs, Pleadings to supress anyone from seeing his birth certificate.

again, with all due respect, COMMON SENSE SAYS IF HE PUT IT UP ON HIS WEBSITE FOR THE UNIVERSE TO SEE how come he cant bring it to the Court?

do you see the stupidity of your argument?
again, with all due respect.

it is not my intention to insult, but i honestly think some of you are missing the very SIMPLISTIC obvious of this situation when you claim he has a U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE, YET OBAMA IS THE ONE WHO SEEMS UNABLE TO COME UP WITH IT.

IMO, he manipulated - - photoshopped another certificate on the computer and put his name in the required spaces but a tangible one does not exist.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 23, 2008 8:57 PM

New minipoll representing the largest and growing minority in the U.S...56 million people.

Who will be a voice for people with disabilities?
Senator Obama or Senator McCain
Vote NOW
www.disabilitynewsradio.com
Our TALK makes a difference!

Posted by: monica3 | October 23, 2008 8:56 PM

Back in the 1930's, the "liberal" media outlets supported the socialist Hitler and trashed the conservatives.

Today, the "liberal" media outlets support the socialist Obama and trash the conservatives.

But, here is the difference. Hitler came to power and Obama will not.

Anyway, the most disturbing thing is that the "liberal" (in fact, they are godless socialists) media outlets are in the tank of the party of hate, racism, slavery, intimidation, and violence -- the Democrats.

Setting the Record Straight (part 1)
http://www.freedomsjournalmagazine.com/blog/?p=207

The President Who Stole Christmas! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doChINcDTJU

The Antichrist Has Come! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7vh5LJjJhc

Posted by: loan4ever | October 23, 2008 8:55 PM

WOW!
Sounds like Sarah Palin is clashing with John McSame. I hear she is trying to take charge of his campaign behind his back, causing quite a stir.

Sounds like the girls positioning herself.

I guess it really was a Freudian slip when she announced the ticket as Palin/McCain a few weeks ago. Ouch!

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | October 23, 2008 8:53 PM

Republicans really foaming at the mouth tonight.

Posted by: kinoworks | October 23, 2008 8:53 PM

There was a note on the Intrade web sight a few days ago where the CEO noticed some suspicious movement towards McCain. But an investigation showed that this movement was legit.

Still Obama is trading about 85 and McCain at around 15. Remember that people are putting their money where their mouth is on this site.
Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 6:19 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Back in September when Obama's odds were much lower there was a spread between the Obama odds on Intrade and another electronic market on the web At Intrade the odds on Obama was say 55 to 45 for McCain while on the other market it was 61 Obama and 39 McCain. You could buy McCain on one market and buy Obama on the other and hold till election day and make $6 minus costs. Before that time and since that time the spread is no more than three and has gone to -1. When I spoke about the market being perturbed I was referring to that spread.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 23, 2008 8:52 PM

Hey michaelfairbanks:

It's absolutely no use in arguing with the wingnuts about Obama's birth certificate. And it looks like somebody has justed posted the same nonsense again about Philip Berg and another law suit he's trying to launch on this "issue". This guy has been described by a judge as a "vexatious litigant" which is a nicer way of saying "wingnut".

Any fool with the filing fees can go to court and start a suit. It doesn't mean it's going anywhere.

I say let these guys enjoy this delusion that this will somehow prevent Obama from becoming the next President. Delusions are all they have now.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 8:51 PM

- SHOP FIRST - COUNTRY LATER

* 800,000 Jobs Lost This Year
* $150,000 Every Two Months For Palin's Wardrobe
* 3 Million Homes in Foreclosure
* Dow @9000 Points
* $10B Per Month in Iraq (Iraq Budget Surplus $60B)
* 3.00 Gasoline Is the Norm

Posted by: targaray | October 23, 2008 8:51 PM

Six years of RepubliCONs handing Bush blank checks like they were candy and they want us to give them four more years?

Nice try morons! The only stupid voters are the ones who vote for the RepubliCON candidate.

Obama/Biden 2008!

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | October 23, 2008 8:50 PM

It doesn't matter where he was born (even though it was proven to be the USA).

His mother was born and raised in Kansas, so Obama could have been born on the moon and he'd still legally be a U.S. citizen.
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obama doesnt have a U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
with all due respect, common sense should tell you if he did he would have simply produced to the Court.

His Mother's birth does not qualify him to be a U.S. Citizen. Furthermore, his mother gave up her U.S. Citizenship when she acquired the Indonesian citizenship. At that time Indonesia did not recognize dual-citizenship which was not changed until Ronald Reagan became President.

OBAMA IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD. unfortunately there are many like you who only need obama to tell you a thing and you are completely satisfied.

REALITY IS OBAMA LIED.
BY NOW YOU KNOW IT BUT YOU POST STUFF TO THROW OTHERS OFF.

if he had it he would have produced it.
NOTHING COULD BE MORE SIMPLE TO EXPLAIN.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 23, 2008 8:50 PM

dwashington1: Sorry, Charlie, I didn't get a penny of the spoils. In fact, we all lost our asses. Get a psycological evaluation. Your party is full of fringed idiots, just like you.

You should be very "usefull" to tyour comarads.

Posted by: oldanncrjr | October 23, 2008 8:47 PM

reality is a B. (....sometimes)

http://www.usafrica.us/

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | October 23, 2008 8:46 PM

Of course if something is posted on the Drudge web site it must be absolutely true.

LOL

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 8:46 PM

Those of you who still think Obama was born outside the USA need to get a clue.

It doesn't matter where he was born (even though it was proven to be the USA).

His mother was born and raised in Kansas, so Obama could have been born on the moon and he'd still legally be a U.S. citizen.

The Constitution does NOT say you have to be born in the USA. It says you have to be born a citizen.

By the way, guess which candidate was NOT born in the USA.....

John McCain.

He was born in Panama.

But, alas, he was born a citizen. He can run for president.

Posted by: michaelfairbanks | October 23, 2008 8:42 PM

Hogwash!

Your polls are mathematical garbage and are slanted to represent the political views of the media entity publishing them. You leftists can continue worshiping your invalid polls but be prepared to be very disappointed.

Posted by: rplat | October 23, 2008 8:39 PM

Posted by: oldanncrjr | October 23, 2008 8:39 PM

Real Brother here.

One of the things that bothers me that White Racists and Supremacists do that Blacks don't is that if the Black Charles Manson or Timothy McVie or Jeffrey Dalmer(Son of Sam, Roman Polanski) does a Columbine it doesn't hurt John McCain as everyone understands that those other White Racists and Supremacists aren't John McCain.

If there is anything that Barack Obmama has shown us is that he is NOT OJ.

Also too what everyone has to understand is that the problem with Black people hating each other and robbing each other and thinking that Whites are Superior are problems that will END when Obama is sworn in.

Blacks will stop thinking of ourselves as inferior and White Idiots will stop thinking Blacks are all the same.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 23, 2008 8:38 PM

Hey Joe, Sen. McCain isn't telling you the full story.

Look at your pay stub. See all that money going to FICA tax? McCain doesn't call that taxes. Do you call that taxes? I do. Looks like taxes to the federal government, too, as they put it in the federal budget.

34% of federal revenue is FICA tax (social security and retirement)
45% of the federal revenue is personal income taxes

The claim that only "40% of Americans pay INCOME taxes" is a misleading and carefully crafted deception that came from a think tank funded by a few very rich people seeking a big tax cut. People like Rush repeated that line a zillion times. They got their tax cut. We now have a $475 billion annual deficit as a result.

The reality is that WORKING PEOPLE, even those below minimum wage who pay no income taxes, still pay FICA tax which goes into the federal budget. FICA contributions add up to 7.65% of your first $102,000 of income in 2008. FICA is 15.3% for self-employed.

Unlike income taxes, for which you can get tax credits and a favorite, the mortgage interest deduction, you cannot reduce your FICA tax no matter how little you make or your expenses. However, you pay no FICA on any income over $102,000.

FICA tax receipts exceed benefit payments, providing a "surplus" to the fed budget.

So Joe, do you see why McCain and his folks never mention who pays FICA tax? How does it make you feel that all that FICA money you send to the Federal Government is dismissed by Senator McCain as not worth considering?

Posted by: boscobobb | October 23, 2008 8:36 PM


A vision McCain and most main stream republicans can't understand. The fabric of the movement to improve our Nation. Only one man has the message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY

Posted by: Swedishice | October 23, 2008 8:34 PM

Real Brother here.

Let's not forget that Hitler hated Blacks and felt Whites were Superior, while Obama loves Blacks and feels that no Race is Superior.

Racists and White Supremacists always seem to confuse it.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 23, 2008 8:27 PM

A headwind? You've got to be kidding. Do you even read your own paper's polls. More like a hurricane, mate. But you're just a blind McCain tire swinger, not a meteorologist or a political reporter for that matter.

Posted by: agitate | October 23, 2008 8:23 PM

The President Who Stole Christmas! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doChINcDTJU

The Antichrist Has Come! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7vh5LJjJhc

Posted by: loan4ever | October 23, 2008 8:19 PM

Can anyone explain why every commentator I hear on the MSM states unequivocally that the race will tighten towards the end?

Posted by: JohnDoug | October 23, 2008 8:14 PM

Cynthiad1-Along with Scott McClellan, Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill we can also add Colin Powell. These are former high level people in the Bush administration that have given us a true look into what really has transpired during the reign of Bush II. And for that unforgivable sin they are being thrashed by the Right.
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Congratulations on your new aquisitions. Except for Powell they were no loss at all.

Posted by: 12oreo | October 23, 2008 8:13 PM

Back in the 1930's, the "liberal" media outlets supported the socialist Hitler and trashed the conservatives.

Today, the "liberal" media outlets support the socialist Obama and trash the conservatives.

But, here is the difference. Hitler came to power and Obama will not.

Anyway, the most disturbing thing is that the "liberal" (in fact, they are godless socialists) media outlets are in the tank of the party of hate, racism, slavery, intimidation, and violence -- the Democrats.

Setting the Record Straight (part 1)
http://www.freedomsjournalmagazine.com/blog/?p=207

Posted by: loan4ever | October 23, 2008 8:12 PM

Back in the 1930's, the "liberal" media outlets supported the socialist Hitler and trashed the conservatives.

Today, the "liberal" media outlets support the socialist Obama and trash the conservatives.

But, there is the difference. Hitler came to power and Obama will not.

Anyway, the most disturbing thing is that the "liberal" (in fact, they are godless socialists) media outlets are still in the tank of the party of hate, racism, slavery, intimidation, and violence -- the Democrats.

Setting the Record Straight (part 1)
http://www.freedomsjournalmagazine.com/blog/?p=207

Posted by: loan4ever | October 23, 2008 8:09 PM

I wish that McCain hurries and goes down with "High maintenance" Palin. He'd better also know that he has Acorn,s in his closet:
http://www.thealders.net/blogs/2008/10/23/mccains-voter-fraud/

Posted by: grdn_nell | October 23, 2008 8:08 PM

So, you are saying that everybody who is not a multimillionaire is lazy and works at McDonald's? Are you trying to be funny? You're not. By the way, that little war over there that you wanted is costing about 10 billion a month. How did you expect to pay for it, with cookie sales?

Posted by: watchingduck | October 23, 2008 8:08 PM

MrPotatoHead98, why does a white supremist racist such as yourself read the Washington Post? It is, after all, for thinking people, Americans who believe in tolerance and compassion, neither of which you do. So why read the Post?

Posted by: nyrunner101 | October 23, 2008 8:05 PM

Posted from Drudge
MCCAIN VOLUNTEER 'ATTACKED AND MUTILATED' IN PITTSBURGH...
'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE...

This is why this negor must never infest the WH

Guarantee civil unrest will start in this country if he's elected

Isn't it amazing Police are preparing for civil disobediance throughout American cities on election night.

Isn't it amazing this never happend before when Whites ran.

Chevy

Posted by: MrPotatoHead98 | October 23, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse
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It was probably a Christian neo-con perpetrating a liberal.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | October 23, 2008 8:00 PM

CYNTHIAD1: I'M SORRY!

I got your name confused with MrPotatoHead98. My bad. Sorry!

(spelling fixed--wouldn't be a proper apology with a spelling mistake)

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 23, 2008 7:59 PM

CYNTHIAD1: I'M SORRY!

I got you're name confused with MrPotatoHead98. My bad. Sorry.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio

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Yes, I thought at first your post was some strange disingenuous, agent provacateur type thing from the Right. Take care.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 7:58 PM

If you're well off or aspire to be well off, Obama wants to penalize you for such a sin. The less money (ambition) you have, the more you're beloved by the Obamites. If you're lazy and aspire to work at McDonald's, vote Democratic! What kind of crazy economics punishes the job creators and rewards sloth?

Posted by: randysbailin | October 23, 2008 7:56 PM

CYNTHIAD1: I'M SORRY!

I got you're name confused with MrPotatoHead98. My bad. Sorry.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 23, 2008 7:55 PM

"there (sic) measuring the drapes. Put those drapes on hold, it's going to
be curtain time." - Pres. George H. Bush - 1992

"Democrats are measuring the drapes" - Pres. George W. Bush before the 2006
Congressional election.


"Sen. Obama is measuring the drapes" - Sen. John McCain -10/13/2008


Hey Cons, it's curtains.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 7:55 PM

From 1975

Last week TIME Correspondent John Austin interviewed Grathwohl. His report:

While living in Cincinnati, Grathwohl was recruited after a chance meeting with two Weatherpeople. He was just the type of person that the organization, which was overloaded with upper middle class members, wanted to recruit. His background was working class, and the recruiters wrongly believed that he had become a munitions expert during four years in the Army.

During the next six months, he met many of the radical organization's top members. He recalls one memorable strategy session in Flint, Mich., when Bernardine Dohrn exulted over the grisly details of the murders committed by the Manson family. At one point, she exclaimed: "Not only did they kill those pigs, they shoved a fork in [Sharon] Tate's stomach and then sat down and ate dinner there." Dohrn's details were wrong—it was Leno LaBianca who was stabbed with a fork—but her enthusiasm was catching. Says Grathwohl: "For the next several days, we all went around giving a sign of three fingers extended. It was to symbolize the fork."

And this was just a "guy in the neighborhood."

Who wrote about his terrorist exploits in 2001 and later republished his Prairie Fire manifesto, dedicated to the murdered of RFK.

Nice people you lefties are covering for.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 23, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

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I guess I should pull out interviews with Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh to prove that conservatives support terrorists...except it would just as moronic as your posting.

Posted by: maggots | October 23, 2008 7:55 PM

the legacy of the worst president ever, something i read boy george has worried about continually for eight year, worried about while his war and the economy collapsed all around him, like fiddler playing while rome burns, is that he has brought about the complete annihilation of the republican party. it's a small price for daddy's little war criminal to pay after putting america and the world through eight years of hell. how's that for a legacy, bud? no one will ever forget you, that's for sure.

Posted by: live_free_or_die | October 23, 2008 7:55 PM

CynthiaD1:

McCain's poll rating COULDN'T GET ANY LOWER. There is a baseline for election poles and that's around 40% support.

What do you expect? Stupidy, ignorance and brainwashing hasn't SUDDENLY disappeared since the last election-- YOU'RE PROOF OF THAT.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio

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Oh the wit!

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 7:53 PM

Posted from Drudge
MCCAIN VOLUNTEER 'ATTACKED AND MUTILATED' IN PITTSBURGH...
'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE...

This is why this negor must never infest the WH

Guarantee civil unrest will start in this country if he's elected

Isn't it amazing Police are preparing for civil disobediance throughout American cities on election night.

Isn't it amazing this never happend before when Whites ran.

Chevy

Posted by: MrPotatoHead98 | October 23, 2008 7:51 PM

CynthiaD1:

McCain's poll rating COULDN'T GET ANY LOWER. There is a baseline for election poles and that's around 40% support.

What do you expect? Stupidy, ignorance and brainwashing hasn't SUDDENLY disappeared since the last election-- YOU'RE PROOF OF THAT.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 23, 2008 7:51 PM

Today's news from intrade.com is that Obama is now up a point. He's 87.0 while McCain is trading at 13.9.

So if your so certain that the "silent majority" will put McCain in the White House how come your money where your mouth is? Especially since the pay off will be quite nice if McCain does win.

This site was more accurate in 2004 than any poll in predicting the Bush win.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 7:47 PM

McCain is a Flip-Flopper.

Defend that you conservadrones!

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 23, 2008 7:46 PM

We want a president who will unite us, not a president who will divide us.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | October 23, 2008 7:43 PM

The shocking thing is not that McCain is losing but that he kept it so close for so long. I.e. being in the same party with the guy leaving office with a 30% approval rating.

I don't think people should put too much into anything Obama has done, the economy tanking and the low republican approval ratings are more important factors.

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I think it speaks volumes about the McCain campaign when one of their chief criticisms of Obama is that he should be trouncing McCain instead of just leading him in the polls.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 7:42 PM

The Real Bill Ayers

Given the state of politics, it’s understandable how both presidential campaigns are handling the phony issue of Sen. Barack Obama’s connection with Bill Ayers, a University of Illinois-Chicago
education professor who, 40 years ago, helped found the militant anti-war group the Weathermen.

McCain is blanketing Wisconsin and other key states with a massive automated telephone campaign claiming that Obama “has worked closely with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, whose organization bombed the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon, a judge’s home and killed Americans.”

The reason McCain is spending so much money on deceptive charges that have nothing to do with the real issues in the presidential race is that McCain is on the wrong side of the real issues. On the economy, McCain supports continuation of Bush’s tax cuts overwhelmingly going to the richest 1% in our country (tax cuts McCain originally voted against because he said they were too tilted toward the wealthy), and on the Iraq war that has taken 4,200 American lives. McCain wants to continue sacrificing American lives indefinitely.
Obama, on the other hand, can only point out that he was 8 years old when the Weathermen engaged in radical anti-war activities. And that his association with Ayers amounted to sitting on two boards distributing funds to improve Chicago schools and to support worthwhile community projects.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 7:42 PM

To Luke2, nowanna3, and the others defending Obama refusing to wear the flag pin:

nowanna3 said:
"Obama disagreed with the Iraq war, and the flag pin was used by some as a way of showing support for that war."

I agree. However, the Iraq war's still on, so Obama went against his belief and conviction by later actually wearing the flag pin for political gain. This shows he doesn't stand by his convictions.

Have to run, but I'll be back tomorrow for your replies to the above. Be interesting..

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So it looks like were back to flag pins. Gee, that didn't seem to get much traction the last time but go ahead and waste your time. And I guess that utter silliness about the "controversy" of Obama's birth certificate has gone nowhere. Running of ideas in the waning day?

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 7:39 PM

Posted from Drudge
MCCAIN VOLUNTEER 'ATTACKED AND MUTILATED' IN PITTSBURGH...
'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE...

This is why this negor must never infest the WH

Guarantee civil unrest will start in this country if he's elected

Isn't it amazing Police are preparing for civil disobediance throughout American cities on election night.

Isn't it amazing this never happend before when Whites ran.

Chevy

Posted by: MrPotatoHead98 | October 23, 2008 7:38 PM

lichtme-Perhaps it is drape-measuring time?

Former Bush Press Secretary Backs Obama

By DAVID BAUDER
The Associated Press
Thursday, October 23, 2008; 6:01 PM
NEW YORK -- Scott McClellan, President Bush's former press secretary, says he is backing Barack Obama for president.

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What a joke- Scott McClellan's endorsement. How many points is he going to bring. Trying to sell more copies of that lousy book.
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Along with Scott McClellan, Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill we can also add Colin Powell. These are former high level people in the Bush administration that have given us a true look into what really has transpired during the reign of Bush II. And for that unforgivable sin they are being thrashed by the Right.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 7:35 PM


To Luke2, nowanna3, and the others defending Obama refusing to wear the flag pin:

nowanna3 said:
"Obama disagreed with the Iraq war, and the flag pin was used by some as a way of showing support for that war."

I agree. However, the Iraq war's still on, so Obama went against his belief and conviction by later actually wearing the flag pin for political gain. This shows he doesn't stand by his convictions.

Have to run, but I'll be back tomorrow for your replies to the above. Be interesting..

.

Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 7:34 PM

The shocking thing is not that McCain is losing but that he kept it so close for so long. I.e. being in the same party with the guy leaving office with a 30% approval rating.

I don't think people should put too much into anything Obama has done, the economy tanking and the low republican approval ratings are more important factors.

Posted by: DCDave11 | October 23, 2008 7:34 PM

Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.

Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.

Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.

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Must have been one of those compasionate Liberals...

Posted by: seawolfR | October 23, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

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Or perhaps a Christian neo-con perpetrating a liberal.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | October 23, 2008 7:33 PM

No Palin:

As a long-standing member and former Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Biden is a strong leader on crime and drug policy and has been instrumental in crafting almost every major piece of crime legislation over the past two decades. His Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 - also known as the Biden Crime Bill - put more than 100,000 cops on America's streets and increased dramatically federal support for innovative criminal justice prevention and rehabilitation. The 2007 Biden Crime Bill goes further by addressing the 21st century crime problems such as computer hacking, on-line child exploitation and teenage prescription drug abuse. As the Co-Chairman of the International Narcotics Control Caucus, Senator Biden was the first in Congress to propose a "Drug Czar," a cabinet level office to coordinate all federal agencies responsible for drug-related programs and devise a strategy to combat illegal drug use and trafficking in America.

One of Senator Biden's longstanding priorities is making college more accessible and affordable for students and their families. Recently, he introduced the College Affordability and Creating Chances for Educational Success for Students (ACCESS) Act which would increase tax incentives, expand Pell grants, and begin college planning as early as the eighth grade.

Over the last thirty-four years, Senator Biden has shown prescience and leadership on the most critical issues facing Delaware and our country. From his instrumental role in passing the bipartisan initiative to create a Commission on Civil Rights in 1983, to introducing the 1986 Global Climate Protection Act, to establishing an annual National Mammography Awareness Day, and to authoring the Rail Security Act of 2007 to regulate the transportation of hazardous materials on American railways, Senator Biden consistently works to tackle America's toughest challenges.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 7:28 PM

As an Obama partisan, I'm concerned that all this jabber about Obama's lead may translate into people who would vote for Obama if they voted not bothering to get to the polling place and cast a real vote.

Opinion polls do not govern the USA. Actual votes cast do. This is what's best about our nation, and it's a nation with many delightful aspects.

Don't get lazy on election day.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 23, 2008 7:26 PM

From 1975

Last week TIME Correspondent John Austin interviewed Grathwohl. His report:

While living in Cincinnati, Grathwohl was recruited after a chance meeting with two Weatherpeople. He was just the type of person that the organization, which was overloaded with upper middle class members, wanted to recruit. His background was working class, and the recruiters wrongly believed that he had become a munitions expert during four years in the Army.

During the next six months, he met many of the radical organization's top members. He recalls one memorable strategy session in Flint, Mich., when Bernardine Dohrn exulted over the grisly details of the murders committed by the Manson family. At one point, she exclaimed: "Not only did they kill those pigs, they shoved a fork in [Sharon] Tate's stomach and then sat down and ate dinner there." Dohrn's details were wrong—it was Leno LaBianca who was stabbed with a fork—but her enthusiasm was catching. Says Grathwohl: "For the next several days, we all went around giving a sign of three fingers extended. It was to symbolize the fork."

And this was just a "guy in the neighborhood."

Who wrote about his terrorist exploits in 2001 and later republished his Prairie Fire manifesto, dedicated to the murdered of RFK.

Nice people you lefties are covering for.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 23, 2008 7:21 PM

Sen. John McCain on Wednesday blasted President Bush... whose unpopularity may be dragging the Republican Party to the brink of a massive electoral defeat. "We just let things get completely out of hand," he said of his own party's rule in the past eight years... McCain lashed out at a litany of Bush policies and issues that he said he would have handled differently as president... "Spending, the conduct of the war in Iraq for years, growth in the size of government, larger than any time since the Great Society, laying a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America, owing $500 billion to China, obviously, failure to both enforce and modernize the [financial] regulatory agencies that were designed for the 1930s and certainly not for the 21st century, failure to address the issue of climate change seriously," Mr. McCain said... aboard his campaign plane en route from New Hampshire to Ohio. "Those are just some of them," he said with a laugh, chomping into a peanut butter sandwich as a few campaign aides in his midair office joined in the laughter.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 7:16 PM

Even republicans are embarrassed by the lies and slander coming from the McSame campaign.

They are abandoning the party in droves.

Calling most Americans "unpatriotic" or "terrorists" The republican party has set itself back 200 years.
I can see the republican party wondering aimlessly for 40 years or more in a desert of mirages that not even any of them trusts.

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 23, 2008 7:15 PM

That's not a headwind!

McCain keeps saying that he stands behind Palin. I'm guessing the wind comes from Palin's...(you know).


BEST GAFFE OF THE CAMPAIGN AWARD GOES TO...

John McCain!


I couldn't agree...(Watch Cindy's face...PRECIOUS!)


Palin comes in 2nd and gets the "GIVES GOOD GAFFE" award.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 23, 2008 7:14 PM

She is dumb beyond belief, and can only parrot gibberish soundbytes and non sequiturs.

And drooling morons like you have no problem with Biden.

What a joke.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 23, 2008 7:13 PM

McSame is too divisive to be president of a nation of people.

McSame is too old and desperate. His act of desperation translates into spewing more divisiveness over all of America. This is not what the country wants to see in their leader,.

McSame is stuck in the twentieth century, therefore he is lost as to what the country needs...

How disappointing.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | October 23, 2008 7:10 PM

I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.

And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill."

Twenty-five million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious.

This was the testimony of FBI informant Larry Grathwohl in the 1982 documentary No Place to Hide.

The 25 people plotting the extermination of the 25 million Americans who would bitterly cling to the American way of life?

The Weather Underground, led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

But of course, Obama doesn't know about this.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 23, 2008 7:10 PM

Good article. It's clear Obama is ahead, but now I'm more interested in the impact downticket. Is Obama positively impacting Senate/House races?

Posted by: nick4 | October 23, 2008 7:10 PM

lichtme-Perhaps it is drape-measuring time?

Former Bush Press Secretary Backs Obama

By DAVID BAUDER
The Associated Press
Thursday, October 23, 2008; 6:01 PM
NEW YORK -- Scott McClellan, President Bush's former press secretary, says he is backing Barack Obama for president.

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What a joke- Scott McClellan's endorsement. How many points is he going to bring. Trying to sell more copies of that lousy book.

Posted by: 12oreo | October 23, 2008 7:08 PM

sasquatchbigfoot......

That you Luke2?

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 7:04 PM

(Polls Show McCain Leaning Into a Headwind)

Thats the headline of the article.

The headwind McSame is leaning agaisnt is coming from the AIRHEAD he picked as VP.

McSame can'T dump Sarah Plain Stupid...cause that would be admitting he made an error of judgement.

All McAme can do...is continue to put lipstick on his pig and hope no one notices.

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 23, 2008 7:04 PM

These polls are a great sign for all Americans seeking fundamental change, but they will be meaningless if Republicans are permitted to steal the election by use of selective purges of eligible voters in Democratic precincts.

For an excellent discussion of the issue, link to

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/22/votes

Today, the NY Times lead editorial soundly advised voters to "fight for their right to vote. Try to confirm before Nov. 4 that they are on the rolls...If the state permits it, they should vote early. Any voter who finds that their name has disappeared from the rolls...should contact a voters' rights group, like Election Protection at 1-866-OUR-VOTE."

I would add that if you are given a choice between a paper ballot and a touch screen, choose paper. If you must vote on a touch screen, be sure it registers the vote for the candidate of your choice.

Posted by: cann4ing | October 23, 2008 7:02 PM

Billw3:

Obama disagreed with the Iraq war, and the flag pin was used by some as a way of showing support for that war.

I remember getting grief for having a flag sticker on my car from a leftist friend. I pointed out that I was supporting my country and not the war.

The bottom line is that we have come way to far in this process to be quibbling over a flag pin that Obama wore before and after that quote.

If this is somehow a litmus test for you then nothing will ever change your mind on it.

In the meantime I think there are much more important issues upon which to base your vote.

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 23, 2008 7:02 PM

Still no mention of this in the WaPo: "Lawsuits in eight states as of this writing– Hawaii, Washington, California, Florida, Georgia. Pennsylvania, New York and Connecticut, are seeking judicial authority to force the certifying or decertifying of Senator Barack Obama’s qualification to run as a candidate for President as a natural born U.S. citizen. Previously, two lawsuits have failed to force the certifying documents from Obama.

Philip Berg’s months-long lawsuit in Federal Court in Philadelphia reached a dramatic plateau yesterday as Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) failed to respond to the court that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen and therefore not qualified to run for office of President of the U.S. They admitted to Obama’s non-qualification by their failure to respond to a 30-day court ordered discovery in which Obama and the DNC were ordered to answer a petition by Berg. Berg is a lifelong Democrat in the Pennsylvania Democratic Party who has sought to ratchet up the legal pressure as Obama and the DNC has continually delayed providing certifying documentation of Obama’s birth, which he claims to have been in Hawaii."

Even if 0bama is elected, it appears he will be ineligible to be inaugurated.

And the Left says that Palin wasn't properly vetted! LOL!

Posted by: NeverLeft | October 23, 2008 7:02 PM

Luke2 re Obama refusing to wear the flag pin:
"This is a lie. "His love for the country he wouldn't show."

Obama either was proud of what represented America or he wasn't. Refusing to wear the flag pin answers the question of which. You cannot speak for him, he spoke for himself. BTW, untruth is a better word than lie if you want to be civil.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 7:01 PM

Luke2-John McCain totally creeps me out by the way he sits near Sarah Palin during those "interviews."

He looks like a ghoulish old grandparent at a third grade recital for his grandchild who he knows hasn't done her homework. He won't even look at her.

He is there as a chaperone, just waiting to pounce on the person conducting the interview if they ask her any pertinent question.

She is dumb beyond belief, and can only parrot gibberish soundbytes and non sequiturs.

What was he thinking?

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On the other hand you sound real intelligent!

Posted by: 12oreo | October 23, 2008 6:58 PM

Get ready folks! For the Obama tidal wave at the polls! The discredited Republican fear machine will be swept away leaving a lot of angry old white men shaking their heads......"what just happened to us?" The American Promise made over two centuries ago will finally be fulfilled..."that All men are created equal"...history is in the making, real history!

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 23, 2008 6:57 PM

Perhaps it is drape-measuring time?

Former Bush Press Secretary Backs Obama

By DAVID BAUDER
The Associated Press
Thursday, October 23, 2008; 6:01 PM
NEW YORK -- Scott McClellan, President Bush's former press secretary, says he is backing Barack Obama for president.

Posted by: lichtme | October 23, 2008 6:57 PM

The American Dream...poor black kid raised by grandparents, sometimes on foodstamps, puts himself through school on scholarships, graduates from Harvard with honors, then goes to work in poorest neighborhoods of Chicago, elected to state legislature, then to the US Senate....becomes President of the United States! God Bless this country!

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 23, 2008 6:56 PM

John McCain totally creeps me out by the way he sits near Sarah Palin during those "interviews."

He looks like a ghoulish old grandparent at a third grade recital for his grandchild who he knows hasn't done her homework. He won't even look at her.

He is there as a chaperone, just waiting to pounce on the person conducting the interview if they ask her any pertinent question.

She is dumb beyond belief, and can only parrot gibberish soundbytes and non sequiturs.

What was he thinking?

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 6:54 PM

McCain's headwind has gotten much stronger now that Scott McClellan is backing Obama. WOW!

Posted by: 12oreo | October 23, 2008 6:52 PM

I don't believe Billw3's service record any more than Billw3 believes anything he will read on Snopes.

I think that Billw3 actually serves the rich, drug-dealing Cuban diaspora in South Florida.

Billw3 deals drugs to children, and performs partial birth abortions in his kitchen.

The above is as true as any facts cited by Billw3.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | October 23, 2008 6:48 PM

Get ready folks! For the Obama tidal wave at the polls! The discredited Republican fear machine will be swept away leaving a lot of angry old white men shaking their heads......"what just happened to us?" The American Promise made over two centuries ago will finally be fulfilled..."that All men are created equal"...history is in the making, real history!

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 23, 2008 6:48 PM

Bill,

this is a lie.

"His love for the country he wouldn't show."

Barack Obama has shown his love for his country by dedicating his whole life to helping its citizens.

Why don't you ask Sarah Palin why she sent a special invocation to the Alaska Independence Party which supports succession from the United States?

She said she would only be interested in being "VP" if it benefitted Alaska. So much for "Country First."

Not this "my friends."


Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 6:46 PM


nowanna3:
"Just go here and get all your flag, pledge of allegiance, and other silly rumors sorted out."

So, are Obama's own words rumors?
op cit:

"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest."

http://abcnews.go.com/politics/story?id=3690000

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 6:46 PM

if there was any doubt as to whether SARAH PALIN was ready to potentially fill the office of president of the united states all was laid to rest this morning on the TODAY SHOW. after harping at the republicans and JOHN MCBUSHS' campaign staff to force palin to appear on the show, she did.....with "Daddy MCBUSH" alongside her to make sure that there could be no potential foulups. it certianly seems to me that JOE BIDEN semms to be the more qualified veep candidate as he manages to have the intelligence and trust of the obama managers to stand on his own to feet. all i gathered from the abrupt and self-censoring interview this morning was a feeling of deja-vu. BUSH&DARTH CHENEY perhaps? one dictatorial leader with tail-wagging, ribbon-tied showdog in tow upon the leash perhaps? if palin is so competent why can she not appear on the today show or any other format by herself? BECAUSE SHE IS NOT COMPETENT, THAT'S WHY!

Posted by: wa_idaho_lonewolf | October 23, 2008 6:35 PM

Billw3:

Just go here and get all your flag, pledge of allegiance, and other silly rumors sorted out.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp#anthem

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 23, 2008 6:35 PM

I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.

And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill."

Twenty-five million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious.

This was the testimony of FBI informant Larry Grathwohl in the 1982 documentary No Place to Hide.

The 25 people plotting the extermination of the 25 million Americans who would bitterly cling to the American way of life?

The Weather Underground, led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

It is astounding that the MSM is not on this like stink on a dem.

But, of course all this happened while little Barry was little Barry.

Oh, Ayers republished his diatribe, Praire Fire, dedicated to the guy who murdered RFK, when little Barry was in his forties - but whose counting?

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 23, 2008 6:32 PM

Poor, sorry, sad old Johnny Mac...

He will regret be shamed by the way he ran this campaign the rest of his life.

He will go to his grave knowing he let himself be slimed by the oozing, gross ideas of the karl rove scumbags.

And he risked that silly, inspid, embarrasing woman from alaska becoming the president.

Poor, sorry, sad, old Johnny Mac...i almost--almost--feel sorry for him.

Posted by: travs6584 | October 23, 2008 6:31 PM

Luke2:

Dear Bill,

I served in the military for many years, flew 140 combat missions in Vietnam, and love my country.

As a civilian, I stand respectfully when the National Anthem is played with my hands folded in front of me, exactly like Senator Obama did at the fairgrounds.

I only place my hand over my heart when the pledge of allegiance is recited.

I do not wear a flag pin.

I lost 27 of my best friends in combat.

Am I a traitor?

Please get a grip. Senator Obama could have made a fortune working for a corporate law firm. Instead he has chosen to serve his country. Just becuse you don't agree with him does not make him "anti American." He is what America is all about. Stop the fear, lies and hate. It is not good for our country.

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

I served in both the Marines and 101st Airborne during the Korean war. Wounded but made it. My platoon leader lost 47 men (dead and wounded), but believe it or not, he made it too. Now considering our records as 'proof' of out intent, please cite the lie I made or STFU.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 6:28 PM

Maybe McCain ought to carve his initials into prospective voters.

Posted by: grunk | October 23, 2008 6:27 PM

John McCain and the MIA/POW cover up.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=11219

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 6:25 PM

Tinkabell_Hussein"
"McCain doesn't wear a flag pin. Need I continue?"

Yes, please.

Waiting...

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 6:23 PM

Billw3.

Dear Bill,

I served in the military for many years, flew 140 combat missions in Vietnam, and love my country.

As a civilian, I stand respectfully when the National Anthem is played with my hands folded in front of me, exactly like Senator Obama did at the fairgrounds.

I only place my hand over my heart when the pledge of allegiance is recited.

I do not wear a flag pin.

I lost 27 of my best friends in combat.

Am I a traitor?

Please get a grip. Senator Obama could have made a fortune working for a corporate law firm. Instead he has chosen to serve his country. Just becuse you don't agree with him does not make him "anti American." He is what America is all about. Stop the fear, lies and hate. It is not good for our country.

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 6:22 PM

My question is, how can the polls be so different?

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First of all, in order to answer this question, open your book about statistics.

A confidence interval is based on one unique sample which can be non representative of the true proportion in the population of reference.

The problem is what is the probability to pick up a non representative sample whose confidence interval doesn't include the true proportion.

The classical model which is used in most of these polls assigns a measure of goodness of 95%-99%. But, let's assume that non-representative samples are 20% (I'm skeptical about polls, too!).

Now, let's assume that the true proportion is McCain winning the election. What is the probability that taking 10 different polls 8 or more are all based on non representative samples -which is exactly what is happening right now because Obama is leading in 8 out of 10?

We can take the binomial distribution which is used for experiments like tossing a coin 10 times and measuring the probability distribution "number of heads" when the probability of a head in a single trial is p=0.20.

Looking at the table with n=10 and p=0.2.

The probability that Obama wins in 8 or more of the samples even if Obama is loosing in the real population is: 0.0001.

In other words, there is only one probability over 10.000 that 8 polls out of 10 say 'Obama wins' if Obama is loosing.

Conversely, and the answer to your question, the probability that 1 or 2 polls out of 10 say 'McCain wins' even if McCain is loosing is 57%. Moreover, the probability that no polls are pro-McCain when Obama is winning is only 16%.


P.S. supposing the non representative samples are 30%, the probability that 8 polls are wrong is 0.001, that is 1 probability on 1000.

Posted by: stearm | October 23, 2008 6:21 PM

Hey Gator-ron

There was a note on the Intrade web sight a few days ago where the CEO noticed some suspicious movement towards McCain. But an investigation showed that this movement was legit.

Still Obama is trading about 85 and McCain at around 15. Remember that people are putting their money where their mouth is on this site.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 6:19 PM

. . . ODE TO OBAMA . . .

His love for the country he wouldn't show
Until he was forced to eat crow
Where finally with a grin,
He wore the flag pin
And said "I'm real loyal, don't you know?"

Sure, he didn't hear Wright's crap eithet...

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 6:19 PM

Tinkabell_Hussein"
"Read my post at 5:54 PM and eat your lies!"

Got to you there, eh?
Name-callers define themselves, no help needed from me.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 6:14 PM

It really does not matter if McCain is trailing.

If Obama is not up by 15-20% on election day he will lose.

The unprecidented assault on voting rights by the Republican machine will see to it.

I marvel at the fact that hundreds of thousands of democratic voters are being stricken from the roles in almost every state.

The sick part of this coup d'état is that it is receiving less coverage than the war.

Our kids are dying in Iraq and Afganistan while the Republicans dismantle the election process, here at home.

There is treason at work here and no one is paying attention.

Posted by: alpacaman1 | October 23, 2008 6:14 PM


Tinkabell_Hussein"
"McCain doesn't wear a flag pin. Need I continue?"

Yes, please.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 6:12 PM

billw3 wrote:
ualec1:
"He did not disrespect the flag or the anthem, more right wing nut job twisted logic nit picking at non-existing speculations. Go away little man."

Read my post at 5:42 and eat your words Cowboy.


Read my post at 5:54 PM and eat your lies!
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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Tinkabell_Hussein | October 23, 2008 6:07 PM


Well, now that their argument consists of arguing AGAINST "sharing the wealth," I think they're in real trouble.

Middle class tax cuts! BOOOOOOOO!

More tax cuts for the rich! YAAAAYYYYY!!!

Not exactly a winning formula when the economy's tanking.

Posted by: monk4hall | October 23, 2008 6:07 PM

Who is the real John McCain? We need to know.

Don't ask him. He'll just refer you to his campaign staff or tell you to "Read my book."

Laughable. Mark Salter invented John McCain in his ghost written book.

McCain barely made it out of the Naval Academy- and surely had no business going to flight school.

The guy simply does not have the temperament or the judgment to be near a nuclear trigger or to get us out of this economic mess we are in. Of course, "he knows how to win wars."- NOT

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 6:07 PM

Voters have a herding instinct, they will go with the leader. Bye-bye McCain!

Posted by: leokasel | October 23, 2008 5:59 PM

IT'S OVER!!!!!!
IT'S OVER!!!!!!

McBush-Miss Piggy supporters can wail all they want.

IT'S OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mikedooley | October 23, 2008 5:57 PM

John McCain and the MIA/POW cover up.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=11219

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 5:57 PM

Bellw3,
FYI:
The photograph was taken on September 16, 2007, at Senator Tom Harkin's annual steak fry festivities in Iowa, an important ritual for Democratic presidential hopefuls. Contrary to the e-mails attacking Obama for disrespecting the flag, the candidates were not reciting the pledge of allegiance. They were standing for the national anthem.

As far as we can ascertain, the photograph first appeared in Time Magazine on October 1. Visit Time's website for a larger version. It was then picked up by the NewsBusters blog (Motto: "Exposing and Combating Liberal Media Bias"), and from there made its way into all those in-boxes.

To his credit, the NewsBusters blogger does not try to pretend that the photograph had anything to do with the pledge of allegiance. Instead he cites Title 36 or the U.S. Code, which states the following:


During a rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed (A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart; (B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart;

By that standard, everybody in the picture (Obama, Richardson, Clinton, and Ruth Harkin) was infringing the Code, as they had their backs to the flag. On the other hand, the Code refers specifically to "Patriotic and National Observances." We welcome the opinion of protocol experts, but we are not sure that a steak fry qualifies as a "Patriotic Observance," even in Iowa. Since the steak fry was awash with flags, it is quite possible that the aforementioned political candidates were facing the flag and had their backs to the flag at the same time.

We should note that this is not the first time that Obama (does that name remind you of anybody?) has run afoul of the patriotic police. Fox News has criticized him for refusing to wear a Stars and Stripes pin in his buttonhole, on the grounds that the gesture has become "a substitute for true patriotism."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/11/obama_nabbed_by_the_patriotic.html

McCain doesn't wear a flag pin.
Need I continue?

Posted by: Tinkabell_Hussein | October 23, 2008 5:54 PM

Sarah Palin's pipeline to nowhere.

In 2001, a burly anchorage longshoreman named Scott Heyworth turned up in the nearby town of Wasilla for a meeting with its mayor, Sarah Palin. Heyworth, a local Democratic activist, had grown tired of waiting for the Big Three oil companies to tap their huge natural-gas reserves in the state's North Slope, the long swatch of northern Alaska tundra that includes the largest oil and gas fields in North America. For decades, ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips and British Petroleum had little incentive to sell the trillions of cubic feet of natural gas that shares space beneath the ice with all those oil deposits. Gas is less profitable than oil and much harder to move to market. The majors could afford to wait until the economics of gas were more favorable before embarking on a multibillion-dollar pipeline project. But many Alaskans, accustomed to annual oil royalties, didn't want to wait on gas any longer. Nor did they want the Big Three to own the gas pipeline the way the majors owned the oil pipeline--or rig the tax bills they paid the state as the price of doing business there.
So Heyworth set out to collect signatures for a ballot initiative that would allow some company other than the Big Three to build a pipeline to the south. It was, on one level, a populist end run around some very big companies. And as he made the rounds of small towns seeking support from local officials, he found his way to Wasilla and its then 37-year-old mayor.

Sarah Palin poured the visitor a cup of coffee and listened intently to his 45-minute pitch. "It sounds like a good idea," she told him. "I'll sign it and support it."

And so began Palin's unusual relationship with the oil and gas industry that dominates the state's economy. She says it is her experience in energy matters that best prepares her to be John McCain's Vice President. Indeed, she came out of nowhere to win the governorship by promising to get more out of the oil industry for Alaskans. But for many independent observers, this heady populism was more effective in getting her elected than it was in actually getting things done once she was governor. No initiative illustrates that better than the natural-gas pipeline project, which Palin pushed the big oil companies out of--a popular but ultimately unrealistic gambit, considering that those producers control the gas that the pipeline would eventually ship south. Her critics say that when it comes to oil and gas, Palin has little appetite for dissenting views. "I've never seen a governor with the door so closed," says Bruce Richards, a local official who briefly found himself on the opposite side of an energy issue from Palin.

read the rest of the story here:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1846731,00.html

Not this time- she is a hoax

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 5:53 PM

ualec1:
"He did not disrespect the flag or the anthem, more right wing nut job twisted logic nit picking at non-existing specualations. Go away little man."

Read my post at 5:42 and eat your words Cowboy.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 5:50 PM

John McCain is

Not who you think he is!

Terrorists

Don’t care who they hurt

John McCain is

Not who you think he is!

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | October 23, 2008 5:49 PM


Tinkabell_Hussein"
"Where is McCain's Flag pin? He did not wear one during the debates, nor has he worn one since the primaries"

Everyone knows McCains history re patriotism.

"McCAIN IS UNPATRIOTIC!"

This is beyond pathetic.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 5:46 PM

Character assassination, blatant chauvinism & military blather, Vietnam fixation, no economic or social paradigm - the McCain/Palin record.

Image four years of their Republican Presidency! Wolves in Alaska will face extinction ... bang, bang, bang

Posted by: hchiba | October 23, 2008 5:46 PM

Well, the McBushers have already taken off the gloves. What now? time to take off the shoes?

Posted by: imhodudes | October 23, 2008 5:43 PM


PleaseChange:
"Can you present anything other then rhetoric you perceive as facts regarding Obama's behavior regarding disrespect for our flag and the national anthem?"

Sure, I'll do a little of your work for you:

http://abcnews.go.com/politics/story?id=3690000

"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o

This is a video of Obama refusing to honor the national anthem.


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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 5:42 PM

Billw3:
Let me ask you this...Where is McCain's Flag pin? He did not wear one during the debates, nor has he worn one since the primaries.

McCAIN IS UNPATRIOTIC!

Posted by: Tinkabell_Hussein | October 23, 2008 5:42 PM

Bilw3 said: What I said about Obama was not opinion: "his behavior regarding disrespect for our flag and the national anthem"

What about it? He did not disrespect the flag or the anthem, more right wing nut job twisted logic nit picking at non-existing specualations. Go away little man.

Posted by: ualec1 | October 23, 2008 5:42 PM

And take a look at the Senate races in the solid Red states like KY and NC. McConnell and Dole are in the political fight of their lives. Dole looks certain to go down and McConnell is barely ahead.

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

So much for that 30 year long Republican re-alignment in Congress that Rove predicted. It's gone the same way as the 1,000 year Reich.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 23, 2008 5:39 PM

If John McCain consults his running mate on energy issues — as he said in a recent NPR interview — Americans are in deep trouble,” an Alaskan energy official told me. The official, who requested anonymity, called Palin’s energy expertise “illusory.”

Let’s fact-check one of Palin’s key claims – that she is responsible for Alaska “building a natural gas pipeline.” As of today there is not a single inch of that pipeline. This central achievement of her 20 months as governor is more hyperbole than substance.

In 2008, under Palin’s leadership, Alaska gave $500 million to TransCanada, a Canadian corporation that builds and operates pipelines, to start the permitting process, which might lead to such a pipeline. But it will be at least seven years before a drop of concrete is poured. If it’s poured.

Although Palin asked members of her former church, the Assembly of God, to “pray for the pipeline,” it’s too soon to count those chickens.

Moreover, the Alaskan energy official told me that the $500 million may have been an unnecessary “giveaway,” since BP and Conoco-Philips recently formed a partnership to build a gas pipeline to the Lower 48, without the incentive.

Besides her role in the $500 million pipeline plan, the official said Palin’s experience with energy issues rests largely on her 11-month stint as the appointed chair of Alaska’s Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which regulates oil/gas reserves and drilling.

But the official said even her brief tenure there wasn’t distinguished.

“Insiders knew she wasn’t interested in the job and she even stated publicly that her post could be cut, claiming it was more important to keep the slots for the technical experts,” he said.

As for her short time as governor (before John McCain picked her to be his running mate), her one other energy-related act was, with state Democratic legislators’ help, to raise taxes on oil and gas profits, the official said. But he added, “this says little about her grasp of global energy issues, which is zero.”

rest of article here. She's a hoax

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/102108a.html

Not this time

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 5:34 PM

In Alaska Palin is “Share the wealth” socialist This year every Alaska resident will receive an unconditional basic income of
$3,269, That payment works out to $16,345 for a family of five.
Actually, families the size of Palin’s will receive $19,416—no conditions imposed besides residency, no judgments made. Palin says, “What we're doing up there is returning a share of resource development dollars back to the people who own the resources. And our constitution up there mandates that as you develop resources it’s to be for the maximum benefit of the people, not the
corporations, not the government, but the people of Alaska.” If a democratic candidate had handed out an unconditional
grant of $3,269 to every citizen of their state, conservatives would jump on it as socialist class war. McCain invokes Joe the Plumber to label such policies as “socialism.”

Posted by: smi2le | October 23, 2008 5:31 PM

OK, here are the facts about Obama, (1) he wasn't born in the US, not the real US anyway. (2) he is a socialist, communist, muslim, anti-american, pro-terrorist surrender monkey. (3) his only education has been in fundamentalist, anti-american madras' - and yes I'm including Harvard Law and, especially, Columbia University. (4) he will raise taxes on the middle-class, his tax plan calls for a tax increase of over a million, billion dollars on every working family in the country. Yes it does. (5) He believes in the anti-american concept of "spreading the wealth around"; as opposed to Bush's highly successful plan of spreading the poverty around.

McCain, on the other hand, knows that the only way to grow our economy is a massive tax cut for the wealthy. It's working so far, so why change things?

Posted by: Renu1 | October 23, 2008 5:31 PM

Ok Billw3, we'll bite.

Where is the evidence to back up your facts? Can you present anything other then rhetoric you perceive as facts regarding Obama's behavior regarding disrespect for our flag and the national anthem?

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 5:27 PM

"There are tons of much less obvious benefits that rich people get from government that don't apply to poor people"

Including the protection of their wealth and safety via law enforcement. In many countries the wealthy pay through the nose in money and peace of mind, for private security.

another 4 years of Republican "leadership" and that's what we will have here.

Posted by: jmp66 | October 23, 2008 5:25 PM

Billw3: Semantics...tomato, tomAto, potato, potAto. Let's call the whole thing off ;-P

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 5:24 PM

ualec1:
"everything you posted was either your twisted opinion"

BS. What I said about Obama was not opinion: "his behavior regarding disrespect for our flag and the national anthem"

You need to learn to read at best.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 5:22 PM

I can't trust the polls when one shows a 14-point spread, and another only shows a one-point difference.
I majored in political science at a D.C. university. It didn't help.
Posted by: DCTexan1 | October 23, 2008 4:48 PM

I never took a course in poli sci but I have sure learned much about polling on the internet. The simple answer is that it has to do with weighting that is given to each demographic group in these polls. Example: do you use the weighting of republicans, democrats and independents from 2008 voter rolls or 2004 voter rolls. Some polls use one and some use the other.

One of the best web sites I have ever found on the internet for free information that I believe to be accurate is:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
another one that I enjoy but not as good for understanding how polling is done is:
http://campaigndiaries.com/

Taking the information that I get from these two sites and then comparing it to the data on intrade, the electronic market, if I find consistency then I have a sense of understanding and faith in the polls. If they are inconsistent then I feel unsure.

Warning though, you can not put too much credence in Intrade. For a period between the end of the conventions until sometime in Oct. there was a McCain supporter who was controlling the market. So it is important, therefore, every once in a while to compare Intrade to another electronic market.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 23, 2008 5:20 PM

lightnin001: I fear you are the person who is writing for the McCain camp. Are you responsible for the robocalls? No substance, just divide and conquer tactics.

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 5:18 PM

Not true !! Here's a link to some polls just before the 2004 presidential election.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

In the 6 polls listed taken just before the election, Bush led in 4 out of 6. In the other two, Kerry led by a point.

Posted by: Gaithersburg1 | October 23, 2008 5:18 PM

This talk of "Kerry ahead in the polls by 6 points" is utter RNC talking point nonsense. Here is a summary of all of the major polls:
http://pollingreport2.com/wh2004a.htm
The vast majority of polls put Bush with a mid-single digits lead. Bush did not come from behind in '04 -- it simply isn't true.

Posted by: slambertr | October 23, 2008 5:18 PM

(Polls Show McCain Leaning Into a Headwind)

Thats the headline of this article.

The wind McInsane is leaning against is coming from the airhead he picked as VP

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 23, 2008 5:18 PM

Billw3 what do you want anyone to refute, everything you posted was either your twisted opinion. Go happily wallow in your delusions because reality is about to hit your on your a@@, hard.

Posted by: ualec1 | October 23, 2008 5:17 PM

If you plan to vote Republican -
STAY HOME on election day!

Rush Limbaugh says you are NOT SAFE.

DO NOT LEAVE YOUR HOME!

Large groups of inexperienced, socialist, mixed-race, elitist muslim terrorists will be patrolling you neighborhood just waiting to engage you political re-education!

BE AFRAID! STAY HOME! DON'T VOTE!
TRUST NO ONE!

Posted by: JohnQuimby | October 23, 2008 5:16 PM

John McCain and the MIA/POW cover up.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=11219

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 5:15 PM

Republicans, furious about negative campaign phone calls made by Democrats last week in Billings, did everything but label the tactic un-American.

Turns out, they could have.

The calls were made from Romania, according to phone records submitted this week to the state commissioner of political practices.


and on and on it goes.......

Posted by: seawolfR | October 23, 2008 5:14 PM

PleaseChange:
"There is no serious argument to refute."

Your word "serious" is subjective. It was *facts* you evaded.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 5:12 PM

Susan Eisenhower:

Forty-seven years ago, my grandfather Dwight D. Eisenhower bid farewell to a nation he had served for more than five decades. In his televised address, Ike famously coined the term "military-industrial complex," and he offered advice that is still relevant today. "As we peer into society's future," he said, we "must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow."

Today we are engaged in a debate about these very issues. We watch as our federal budget hemorrhages red ink and our civil liberties are eroded. Crises in energy, health care and education threaten our way of life and our ability to compete internationally. There are also the issues of a costly, unpopular war; a long-neglected infrastructure; and an aging and increasingly needy population.

Given the magnitude of these issues and the cost of addressing them, our next president must be able to bring about a sense of national unity and change. Setting priorities will be essential. With hard work, much can be done.

The biggest barrier to rolling up our sleeves and preparing for a better future is our own apathy, fear or immobility. We have been living in a zero-sum political environment where all heads have been lowered to avert being lopped off by angry, noisy extremists. I am convinced that Barack Obama is the one presidential candidate today who can encourage ordinary Americans to stand straight again;

It is in this great tradition of crossover voters that I support Barack Obama's candidacy for president. This lifelong Republican will work to get him elected and encourage him to seek strategic solutions to meet America's greatest challenges. To be successful, our president will need bipartisan help.

Given Obama's support among young people, I believe that he will be most invested in defending the interests of these rising generations and, therefore, the long-term interests of this nation as a whole. Without his leadership, our children and grandchildren are at risk of growing older in a marginalized country that is left to its anger and divisions. Such an outcome would be an unacceptable legacy for any great nation.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 5:10 PM

Billw3: Refute? There is no serious argument to refute. Why would I bother? I believe in common ground, not divide and conquer.

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 5:06 PM

TonyV1: We can disagree about candidates, but you're absolutely right about polls and voting. No matter what the polls say, VOTE, VOTE, VOTE. Don't take this precious right for granted.

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 5:03 PM

@zosima

You have seen the new tax tables under Obama's plan? I haven't please point me to them. He states that only those making more then 250k/yr will pay it. I assumed the rate at 250K/yr would be 39% i also rounded down the fica contribution to 15% instead of the 15.3% because the differences were insubstantial when looking at a total of about 450K of income that the tax would be applied to under obama's plan. I would substantially disagree that I use more services then the poor. I use one vehicle on the road. I have one house. I fly less frequently then most. i dont have a jet. I dont sail on the 'maintained waterways.' I think you are confusing high income with massive wealth of the leisure class. Obama and the Kennedy's of the world have no interest in taxing the leisure class just those churning away on the wheel trying to accumulate in their lifetimes.

I wouldnt consider this a whine just a refusal to participate in funding this bankrupt system

Posted by: gtr1971 | October 23, 2008 5:02 PM

Popular is exactly the opposite of what you think..Biden expressed a serious concern of trust issue..
This person isn't a celebrity, he is running for office.
There are plenty of young type of people that I would nominate in a heart beat, but this one is holding out.. like his recent change of taxes.. if someone what you to think things are good one way & is being deceptive.. You can take all the promises you want..say Goodbye..
All the No people, you all already have it good....Liberal is the other direction.
"O" is boring... where is his sense of humor if he is the cool cat..
What is his face so worry about.

Posted by: suttons77hotmailcom | October 23, 2008 5:02 PM

PleaseChange"

You cant refute, so you change the subject. Enough said.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 5:00 PM

Oh please, will the right wing nut jobs please take your meds and stop spewing your talking points lies:

No Obama is not terrorist
No he is not a Muslim, although that as Gen. Powell said should not really matter in REAL AMERICA
Yes he is an American citizen

The bottom line is that you have to issues, you are empty suits, you are left with your petty delusions.

Posted by: ualec1 | October 23, 2008 5:00 PM

Posted by: maggieww | October 23, 2008 4:43 PM

I agree with your thought process. Where I disagree is whether we will need grief counselors or more law enforcement to deal with the antisocial behavior that they will exhibit. I do not believe that the group you are referring to believe in counseling for they are perfect and strong and utilizing such a service would refute the myth they live by.

Obama represents a change in our culture which we need but transition is not easy and the inertia of the status quo is powerful. Obama's victory is only the beginning. I am afraid that Obama's life will be more like Abraham Lincoln than FDR, hopeful without the tragic end.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 23, 2008 4:59 PM

TonyV1:

"THESE POLLS ARE SKEWED FOR DEMOCRATS. IN 2004 ALL OF THESE FOOLS HAD KERRY WINNING BY ABOUT 6 POINTS AND HE LOST. GO OUT AND VOTE"

YEA!!! GO MCCAIN!!! GO PALIN!!!

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 4:57 PM

Billw3: Really, you need to calm down and think about what you're saying because it doesn't make any sense. You are a living, breathing human being. I'm guessing you have a family? I'm guessing either you have a job or want one? I'm guess that if you get sick, you'll want protection in the form of health care? I'm guessing that if you or someone in your family falls on hard times (if they're not already), then you'd want to help them or see that they get help? If all this is true, then you and I have more in common then you might think.

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 4:57 PM

Now the republicans are on this kick about Obama palling around with terrorist and terrorist wishing for an Obama presidency because of their fear of McCain. Do people hear themselves talk. Obama is either a friend or foe of terrorist. If he's a friend explain why would they want to attack if he became president? Does this make sense. More than likely they'd want to attack if McCain became president to send the US a message. Terrorist live for the fight. Make no mistake, whoever wins will be tested - question is who can outsmart them. My money is on the man who plays chess while the others are playing checkers.

Posted by: republicrat | October 23, 2008 4:57 PM

Why McCain Has Lost Our Vote

Being Barry Goldwater's granddaughter and living in Arizona, one would assume that I would be voting for our state's senator, John McCain. I am still struck by certain 'dyed in the wool' Republicans who are on the fence this election, as it seems like a no-brainer to me.

Myself, along with my siblings and a few cousins, will not be supporting the Republican presidential candidates this year. We believe strongly in what our grandfather stood for: honesty, integrity, and personal freedom, free from political maneuvering and fear tactics. I learned a lot about my grandfather while producing the documentary, Mr. Conservative Goldwater on Goldwater. Our generation of Goldwaters expects government to provide for constitutional protections. We reject the constant intrusion into our personal lives, along with other crucial policy issues of the McCain/Palin ticket.

My grandfather (Paka) would never suggest denying a woman's right to choose. My grandmother co-founded Planned Parenthood in Arizona in the 1930's, a cause my grandfather supported. I'm not sure about how he would feel about marriage rights based on same-sex orientation. I think he would feel that love and respect for ones privacy is what matters most and not the intolerance and poor judgment displayed by McCain over the years. Paka respected our civil liberties and passed on the message that that we should conduct our lives standing up for the basic freedoms we hold so dear.

For a while, there were several candidates who aligned themselves with the Goldwater version of Conservative thought. My grandfather had undying respect for the U.S. Constitution, and an understanding of its true meanings.

There always have been a glimmer of hope that someday, someone would "race through the gate" full steam in Goldwater style. Unfortunately, this hasn't happened, and the Republican brand has been tarnished in a shameless effort to gain votes and appeal to the lowest emotion, fear. Nothing about McCain, except for maybe a uniform, compares to the same ideology of what Goldwater stood for as a politician. The McCain/Palin plan is to appear diverse and inclusive, using women and minorities to push an agenda that makes us all financially vulnerable, fearful, and less safe.

When you see the candidate's in political ads, you can't help but be reminded of the 1964 presidential campaign of Johnson/Goldwater, the 'origin of spin', that twists the truth and obscures what really matters. Nothing about the Republican ticket offers the hope America needs to regain it's standing in the world, that's why we're going to support Barack Obama. I think that Obama has shown his ability and integrity.

After the last eight years, there's a lot of clean up do. Roll up your sleeves, Senators Obama and Biden, and we Goldwaters will roll ours up with you.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 4:56 PM

MCCAIN SUPPORTERS, DON'T YOU BELIEVE THIS. ALL THE MAJOR NEWSPAPERS ALONG WITH CNN, NBC, ABC AND CBS ARE TRYING TO STOP YOU FROM VOTING.

THESE POLLS ARE SKEWED FOR DEMOCRATS. THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. IN 2004 ALL OF THESE FOOLS HAD KERRY WINNING BY ABOUT 6 POINTS AND HE LOST.

GO OUT AND VOTE

Posted by: TonyV1 | October 23, 2008 4:54 PM

Real Brother here.

Again, the big problem is the Racists and White Supremacists don't like the fact that Obama's supporters have elevated him knowing he's smarter then all of us combined. The Racists and White Supremacists(Black man hating lesbians and Black Sellouts) have to understand that Obama is smarter then them too.

If they understood his genius and weren't so jealous they wouldn't be so opposed to him.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 23, 2008 4:52 PM

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PleaseChange said:
"Who cares what Farrakhan said. If Wright supported him, whatever."

"You are among those who don’t care about Obama’s disreputable background and his behavior regarding disrespect for our flag and the national anthem. It’s due to the increasingly current liberal approach that most anything goes, and to **** with being accountable.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 4:51 PM

John McCain and the MIA/POW cover up.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=11219

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 4:51 PM

"Listening to Limbaugh losing his mind today over this election and indulging in a paranoid ramble that ended with, "none of us are safe"

I can't stand to even hear that fat, lying, draft dodging piece of excrement- let alone look at his bloated, smirking face.

Is this what America is all about? I hope not.

Limbaugh hated John McCain until Barack Obama won the nomination. What does that tell you.

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 4:49 PM

As a highly educated east cost elitest, I have one thing to say about this article:


YA HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ and so forth

Posted by: lndlouis | October 23, 2008 4:48 PM

I wonder what the WaPo bloggers think of you people who have nothing better to do than spout off on these pages all day ... Almost none of you address the issue; you just use this as a forum to rant.

My question is, how can the polls be so different? How many variations on the question, "Who are you going to vote for?" are there? I want to know what questions are being asked. Otherwise, I can't trust the polls when one shows a 14-point spread, and another only shows a one-point difference.

I majored in political science at a D.C. university. It didn't help.

Posted by: DCTexan1 | October 23, 2008 4:48 PM

Scruffy1970: Didn't you get enough love as a child? I'm betting you need a hug. Your comment doesn't deserve further consideration.

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 4:48 PM

"Take Ohio as an example. Republican presidential candidates generally run a few points better in Ohio than they do nationally. That means if McCain can somehow trim the overall margin to low single digits nationally, he would be in a position to win Ohio. But if the national race looks closer to 10 points, then his hopes of winning Ohio diminish dramatically. The same dynamic holds for a state like Florida."

Hello? This is tail-wagging-dog stuff. Ohio may be representative of the nation in some ways -- but Ohioans are hardly monitoring national attitudes so that they can then adopt slightly more conservative variations on those attitudes.

Cart before horse. Microcosm driving macrocosm. Backaxwards.

Posted by: dogmo | October 23, 2008 4:48 PM

Grandma and Grandma - What was the United States of America?

Posted by: seawolfR | October 23, 2008 4:46 PM

I just wish for one week John McCain could live the life of a man or woman, working a 40-hour week on minimum wage, paying payroll taxes, and living off that net income. Just to see what that net income could buy in a week, how much rent, food and gas if he was lucky enough to be able to afford even an old clunker and the insurance on it. Then talk about how these people are undeserving, and how the rich do not need to pay their fair share, even though it's just the amount they paid under Reagan and Clinton, like that's too much for them to bear.

I'd like to see John McCain live in the REAL WORLD of the working person for just a week and do the actual work of MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS. Why does he hate working people? Does he even know what payroll taxes are and how much they are?

NO MORE GOLDEN PARACHUTES FOR EXECUTIVE CRIMINALS

GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN WALL STREET CRIMINALS PREPARE FOR HANDCUFFS AND ASSETS CONFISCATION

If you want to know who was responsible for this $3 TRILLION MESS and TREASON AGAINST THE U.S. TREASURY, THEN FOLLOW THE MONEY.

The chief beneficiaries of the economic system now collapsed are the GOP WALL STREET EXECUTIVE SPECULATORS, CEOs, CFOs, COOs of the corporations which designed it.

BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, PAULSON, MCCAIN, PALIN disapproved regulations affecting their own businesses, a perfect recipe for corruption.

The REPUBLICAN "BASE" has become nothing more than a CRIMINAL GROUP COMMITTING GRAND FRAUD / TREASON AGAINST the AMERICAN PEOPLE.


CONFISCATE ALL PROPERTIES (DOMESTIC / ABROAD) OF GOP REPUBLICANS AND WALL STREET CEOs INVOLVED IN THIS $3 TRILLION TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THROW THEM IN JAIL WITH ALL OF THEIR MONEY RETURNED TO THE U.S. TREASURY.

The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, nine trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work. Two thirds of that comes from inheritance; interest on interest accumulating to widows / idiot sons; and stock / real estate SPECULATION. It is crap.

Ninety percent of the American public has little or no net worth.

WALL STREET SPECULATORS create nothing. But through SUPER-CAPITALISM (FRAUD), WALL STREET SPECULATORS OWN THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY. The Super Rich running America are doing it through Las Vegas style gambling. IT IS CRAP!!!

RICH GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS make the rules (news, war, peace, famine, upheaval).

RICH GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET SPECULATORS pick that rabbit out of the hat while the American People wonder how WE GOT INTO THIS MESS.

You are not naive enough to think that we live in a Democracy?

IT'S THE FREE MARKET. And you're a part of it.

GOP REPUBLICAN RICH WALL STREET SPECULATORS have that killer instinct. Stick around, GOP REPUBLICAN RICH WALL STREET SPECULATORS still have more stealing to do.


Posted by: dwashington1 | October 23, 2008 4:46 PM

John McCain and the MIA/POW cover up.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=11219

Vietnam Veteran
Khe anh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 4:44 PM

@gtr1971:
Your tax calculation is flawed. The way the IRS does income tax, you only pay the 35% rate on income ABOVE $357,000 in 2008.

As an example, if you make $100,000 a year you're in a tax bracket that pays 28%, but you only pay 28% on income above 87,000$

Your total tax ends up being $21,000. Only 21% of your income, despite being in the 28% bracket.

So you've got the rate wrong, the position of the bracket and the manor of the calculation wrong. If you understood the tax code, you'd understand that it is set up such that there isn't a disincentive to working. At $250/hr , you shouldn't be complaining anyway.

Anyway a progressive tax system is the only system that makes sense. People with more money collect a lot more $$$ in government services per capita than poor people.

For example, if you're too poor to own a car, you don't drive much, so you don't receive a benefit from the money the government spends on roads. If you are rich and drive all the time, you do. So you should pay more.

There are tons of much less obvious benefits that rich people get from government that don't apply to poor people, but rich people tend to forget about the costs the government pays to maintain waterways so that that rich people can sail their boats, or the dollars spent maintaining airspace and airports so that rich people can fly their jets. The costs of cleaning up after polluting businesses, the costs of insuring deposits...etc...

You pay more, but you get more. So quit your whining.

Posted by: zosima | October 23, 2008 4:44 PM

If Obama pulls this off (and my prayers and $$ are with him), we are going to need serious teams of shrinks and grief counselors for the right wing. Their new talking points are that liberals do not have jobs, that we will turn this into a socialist country (lets see, like under Johnson or George Bush or Reagan?), and that we are going to take away their guns (really folks, do you honestly think that right wing Republicans are the ONLY people with guns - this is a NON-issue).

I get these desperate emails from Coulter and Gigrich every day - oh, NOW we know the terrible truth about Obama - he wants people to have drivers licenses or he is from Chicago (tremble, tremble), or some white Republican was not his best friend - whatever! It is real desperation - with no great ideas, no inspiring thoughts, and no attempt at civility or calm discourse.

I am quite concerned because the right wing people I am hearing are completely sold by what they get from their "factual" (not) sources.

Any insight and constructive ideas on how to deal with this are greatly appreciated.

Posted by: maggieww | October 23, 2008 4:43 PM

lightnin001: I realize that the NRA would have you believe Obama will strip that gun from your cold (dead?) hands, but that is not true. Actually, that is something I disagree with him on (and I am still voting for him). He believes that people have the right to own guns, yet he thinks that right doesn't give you a pass to shoot first and then call the cops when there is a choice. And that is exactly what happened in the situation you are referring to.

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 4:43 PM

Real Brother here.

Its curious that in 2008, Racists, White Supremacists and Black man hating lesbians are trying to negate the 450 years of Slavery, Racism, Discrimination and Oppression as if White Racists and Supremacists actually can judge someone based on character.

Here you have two men of the UTMOST chracter Barack Obama and Colin Powell and these White Idiots(and many Black self-hating wish they were White Idiots) are still attacking them.

Race will always be an issue for White Racists and hard core White Supremacists(and Black man hating lesbians).

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 23, 2008 4:43 PM

guess who will be taking the blame for everything obama does, that right, you people know who you are...funny thing, what he does to us, he also has to do to you...enjoy...
after comprehensive immigration reform, watch for organizers to rally the latinos and kick the black caucas out of existence for a latino caucas...
it's gonna happen, it's gonna be strange...

Posted by: DwightHCollins | October 23, 2008 4:42 PM

I would tell all Whites to go out and vote and not allow yourself to be intimidated by the thugs that Obama has supporting him. I do not believe that people support Obama..just that lots of people are afraid to admit that they support Mccain-Palin. It is sad that thugism by the Black Candidate's supporters is worse than the KKK back in the past.

Posted by: Scruffy1970 | October 23, 2008 4:42 PM

Listening to Limbaugh losing his mind today over this election and indulging in a paranoid ramble that ended with, "none of us are safe" is just too much fun. It was obvious that Rush had seen the polling data.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | October 23, 2008 4:41 PM

OneString: Are you working for the McCain campaign? Because voting day is Nov. 4th, NOT Nov. 2.

Posted by: greeenbean | October 23, 2008 4:40 PM

Excuse me gambling winnings are taxable just as lottery winnings are unless you plan on cheating an not reporting the income and then that just makes you a crook you must be a republican


Posted by: mikey30919 | October 23, 2008 4:30 PM

I never said it wasnt subject to taxation just not social security tax which again is substantial

Posted by: gtr1971 | October 23, 2008 4:40 PM

Listening to Limbaugh losing his mind today over this election and indulging in a paranoid ramble that ended with, "none of us are safe" is just too much fun. It was obvious that Rush had seen the polling data.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | October 23, 2008 4:40 PM

Billw3: Who cares what Farrakhan said. If Wright supported him, whatever. Politics and religion made for some strange bedfellows -- just look at Congress. Turn Rush off and go outside. Seek out people who appeal to your better angels instead of your base instincts. It's your choice.

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 4:39 PM

Here's a reason why Obumma SHOULDN'T win! Obama wants to make YOU a criminal if you try to PROTECT yourself and your family from attackers in your own home! He's voted to do just that! Cut & paste this into your browser:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/22/nra-ad-imagine/

Then make an INFORMED decision!

Posted by: lightnin001 | October 23, 2008 4:37 PM

Let me guess... the Pubs are secretly going to gleefully hand this one off to the Dems. A bit like leaving the flaming bag of **it on the doorstep and ringing the doorbell on Halloween. The plan being to come back in Oh-Ten and Oh-Twelve while the flames, smoke and stink are still in the air and make some headway with it at that time.

Posted by: srb2 | October 23, 2008 4:37 PM

Obama's REAL children-friendly! He SUPPORTS Partial-Birth Abortion, the most bestial, sadistic "medical procedure" allowed in this country, against the most innocent and helpless victims, voted AGAINST the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act, which protects babies who survive abortion attempts and are born alive from being killed or left alone to die (he was the only Illinois Senator to speak against it) and even NARAL wasn't for that, but he ALSO has stated that women should have some period of time after a baby is born to decide if they want it KILLED! What part of THIS GUY IS A MONSTER do you not understand??

Posted by: lightnin001 | October 23, 2008 4:36 PM


Here's an example of "democratic" financial responsibility:

WHO screwed up Social Security??

When Social Security began the "democrats" SAID:

Participation would be VOLUNTARY.

The contributions would be TAX-DEDUCTIBLE.

The funds wouldn't be used for anything ELSE, and

interest would ADD to the account.

The payouts would NEVER BE TAXED.

LBJ & demo majorities in the House and Senate put the

funds in the General Fund so they could use it for

their pet projects (PORK), no interest adds to the

fund now!

CARTER & demo majorities in the House and Senate

gave Social Security to immigrants who had never

PAID IN!

CLINTON & demo majorities in the House and Senate

made the CONTRIBUTIONS taxable, AND made the

PAYOUTS taxable! (Al Gore cast the deciding vote on

the payouts!)

OBAMA wants to GIVE Social Security to the 11 million

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that are here, ALONG WITH

Medicare! (Think more or them will come then to get

in on THAT?) AND, with demo majorities in the House

and Senate, he'll SUCCEED!

AND, after all THAT, the "democrats" have the GALL to

blame Republicans for the mess Social Security is in!

Posted by: lightnin001 | October 23, 2008 4:35 PM

After reading another of the frequent Rethuglican rants against Senators Obama and Biden on this site, I am sending in another $100 to www.barackobama.com

I'm almost maxed out- and I had never contributed to a political campaign in my life. I'm a white, 67 year old Reagan Democrat, by the way.

McWar and the Moose Killer from Wasilla are tearing our country apart with their lying, deceitful, and hate filled Steve Schmidt inspired campaign.

Not this time.

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 4:34 PM

hoimacoach: there is a difference between disagreeing with someone and attacking them for that disagreement. Make sense? There is also a difference between an informed opinion and spouting off garbage from divisive people who make things up as they go along -- anything they can do to prey upon your darkest fears and perhaps prejudices (and we ALL have them). Are you going to keep drinking the kool-aide or become informed?

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 4:34 PM

Well h*ll, McCain says, "we have 'em just where we want 'em"! Oh yeah, 14 points ahead and that must be exactly where he wants 'em! [It would be wonderful if he could at least learn to enunciate properly.]

Now that he's gotten what he wants, I'd like to know his plans for 11/5/08 because I certainly don't see a PARTY HAPPENING and I can only pray that Palin is quick to return to the wilderness to start working on trying to save her job! Hopefully that WON'T work out for her!

Posted by: ObamasLady | October 23, 2008 4:32 PM

ATTENTION OBAMA VOTERS:

VOTE EARLY - NOW!
GO VOTE!
DON'T FORGET TO VOTE!
FIND FRIENDS THAT NEED A RIDE TO THE POLLS AND HELP THEM VOTE ON NOV 2ND BECAUSE YOU'LL ALREADY HAVE VOTED!
VOLUNTEER TO HELP PEOPLE GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE!

AMERICA IS NOT SAFE FROM NEO-CON CRIMINALS AND SARAH PALIN'S DISASTEROUS RULE UNTIL WE'VE ALL VOTED AND TAKEN THE COUNTRY BACK ON NOV 2ND!

DO-NOT-LET-UP!!!

VOTE!

Posted by: onestring | October 23, 2008 4:31 PM

Obama said:

"A light will shine down... from somewhere. It will light upon you. You will experience an epiphany... You will say to yourself, 'I have to vote for Barack' "

As Farrahkan said.. "Obama is the Messiah"

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 4:31 PM

A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.

Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.

Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.

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Must have been one of those compasionate Liberals...

Posted by: seawolfR | October 23, 2008 4:31 PM

You are off again because currently the benefit and contribution into social security is capped- obama has placed a donut in his plan for payroll tax from the current level of 102K to 250K because it is politically advantageous. Because of this donut the 250,000th dollar earned is at a rate of a little over $140/hr the 250,001st dollar is at the rate of $100/hr. My time is worth more to me. I can do other things. I can dedicate my time to socially non-contributory activities such as poker. And that doesnt require me to deal with any administrative agencies, paperwork, or personality conflicts between employees.(poker is going to get more lucrative when the misery index starts to climb and i dont have to pay social security tax on that income.)
Posted by: gtr1971 | October 23, 2008 4:17 PM |

Excuse me gambling winnings are taxable just as lottery winnings are unless you plan on cheating an not reporting the income and then that just makes you a crook you must be a republican

Posted by: mikey30919 | October 23, 2008 4:30 PM

You know I find it strange that the media acts like it is the Wall Street Meltdown not the fact that the entire Republican Convention tried to portray the economic crisis as all in the Democrats head...NOW WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH...THE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT ONLY OUT OF TOUCH BUT THEY ARE LIARS....THEY KNEW IT ALL ALONG AND WERE HOPING TO KEEP IT UNDER THE RUG UNTIL AFTER NOV 4TH!!!

Posted by: Beka13 | October 23, 2008 4:29 PM

seawolfR said:
"Looks like all the Bad guys and terrorist want Obama in office - gee, I wonder why that is..."

Birds of a feather flock together. Always.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 4:28 PM

markinaustin says,

"I actually think that PALIN is more like Reagan than McCain is."

Lots of laughs. Reagan had some knowledge of the world and could put a sentence together without repeating gibberish, soundbytes, non seqiturs, and lies.

She is totally offensive to anyone that has half a brain.

Check out her "40 billion dollar gas pipeline" sometime. She paid $500,000,000 to a Canadian company to "study its feasibility." Guess what? It will probably never be constructed. If it somehow is, they have no rights to the gas on the north slope- and it will take at least 15 years to build. No company in their right mind is going to take that risk.

Her pipeline is a "pipe dream."

Like Ronald Reagan? Puhleeze. Reagan would have been appalled at her- especially once he saw her clothing bill for $150,000.

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 4:28 PM

In a twisted sort of way I almost want McCain to win this election because four more years worth of failed Bush/McCain policies would for all intents and purposes be the end of the Republican party as we know it today. They would become the 4th party gadflies that they deserve to be.

The only question is, would this country survive it?

You people out there who live in economic downtrodden states like Ohio, West Virgina and Pa etc, if you are stupid enough to vote for McCain you will deserve every single bit of economic hardship that a McCain presidency will give you.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 23, 2008 4:27 PM

PleaseChange said:
"OMG Wiggan, turn the radio/tv off, go outside for a walk and get some fresh air"

Wiggan is busy presently beating up on the cat.

.

Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 4:26 PM

Looks like all the Bad guys and terrorist want Obama in office - gee, I wonder why that is...

Posted by: seawolfR | October 23, 2008 4:26 PM

Am I the only one, but does "Samuel the

Plumber" come across as a loud-mouth

"I know all the answers" conservative jerk?

All noise. No facts.


Posted by: bobnsri | October 23, 2008 4:26 PM

"Grandpa, what was a republican?"

Posted by: TOMHERE | October 23, 2008 4:25 PM

Under Illinois law, a child born alive must be given maximum medical care. The proposed new law was seeking to reverse Roe versus Wade- it did not make it out of committee.

The feared reversal of Roe was Obama's facade to oppose this legislation. Keep trying. Reversing Roe would be fantastic though.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 4:24 PM


OH, for
God's sake, Balz, the electoral count has been nearly decisively Obama in trend and fact for months.

You pretend McCain's chances were CHANGED
by the economic downturn, suddenly?

Not so, and you know it. You were wrong.
Be a big boy and tell the truth.

Posted by: whistling | October 23, 2008 4:24 PM

OMG Wiggan, turn the radio/tv off, go outside for a walk and get some fresh air. Get some obviously needed rest. Perhaps get some therapy so that you can work out your rage.

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 4:24 PM

Gleefully watching the total collapse of the GOP and the conservative movement.

It will be 20-years before the GOP makes a comeback.

All politics is cyclical...and each cycle lasts about 20-years!!!!

Posted by: bobnsri | October 23, 2008 4:22 PM

First of all polls are indicators but you can't put stock in them. You must get out and vote.

Second I would not count McCain and the GOP out until all the votes are counted, there is no contested races and Barack Obama is declared President Elect Obama.

The GOP is not giving up without a fight. They have already tried every dirty trick in the book at the risk of turning off some of their own constituents .I would not put it past them to start a world crisis rumor to put people in a panic and then people will vote for McCain.

The economic crisis will be with us for a while. You cannot clean up the crap that Bush and the GOP has created in one day. It may take Barack his entire 4 yrs to get things straight. It took Clinton that long after 8 yrs of Reaganomics and 4 yrs of beating around Daddy Bush.

A rumor of a crisis is just a rumor. I heard a rumor today about something starting with Iran. However I trust the candidate I voted for to handle it appropriately and responsibly.

Just remember who has been the cooler head that has prevailed in this campaign. Who has been the one who has responded with rash, erractic and even angered actions?

Which one of them would you want in the President chair during a crisis?

If you look at experience vs less experience. Experience has been in Washington for years and look where we are. It is time with some new and fresh ideas from someone who is proven to be capable of handling the job.

I have already made my choice. Have you?

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | October 23, 2008 4:22 PM

Me and my spouse are bombarded daily by the Republican Party of Florida with negative ads about Obama. What they are achieving is for me and the little lady never to vote Republican.

Posted by: truth1 | October 23, 2008 4:21 PM

When I hear Reverend Wright speak I often think of Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Jesus Christ.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 4:21 PM

Me and my spouse are bombarded daily by the Republican Party of Florida with negative ads about Obama. What they are achieving is for me and the little lady never to vote Republican.

Posted by: truth1 | October 23, 2008 4:19 PM

.
Luke2:
" I believe that Jeremiah Wright is what America is all about"

Wright gave Farrahkan the 'Achievement Of The Year' award, and Obama still stuck with him. Farrahkan just a few days ago proclaimed Obamma as the Messiah. What do you thing about this?

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 4:19 PM

"Obama's choice to support the murder of children."

Stop the lies.

Under Illinois law, a child born alive must be given maximum medical care. The proposed new law was seeking to reverse Roe versus Wade- it did not make it out of committee.

The federal law takes precedent anyway- and it is one that Senator Obama supported. Any medical person who does not care for a child born during an abortion attempt will be prosecuted. Senator Obama supports that strongly.

Senator Obama does not "favor" abortion- especially late term abortion. He supports laws that ban late term abortion if they have the clause protecting the life and health of the mother.

The government should stay out of making a woman's decision for her. It concerns the moral choice each woman must make- and has nothing to do with political concerns that would use this divisive issue for gain.

It's just more lies and hypocisy from Steve Schmidt and his ex George Bush thugs who John McCain went out and hired after they smeared him in the 2000 primary.

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 4:19 PM

LABC, I actually think that PALIN is more like Reagan than McCain is.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 23, 2008 4:18 PM

So you figure that you are netting $104.00 an hour right now but when that goes to $100.00 an hour (your figures, not mine) you just won't find it worth your time any longer.

Looks like you figure that you are willing to pay $100.00 an hour not to work. Your call.


Posted by: mhhaggard | October 23, 2008 3:59 PM

You are off again because currently the benefit and contribution into social security is capped- obama has placed a donut in his plan for payroll tax from the current level of 102K to 250K because it is politically advantageous. Because of this donut the 250,000th dollar earned is at a rate of a little over $140/hr the 250,001st dollar is at the rate of $100/hr. My time is worth more to me. I can do other things. I can dedicate my time to socially non-contributory activities such as poker. And that doesnt require me to deal with any administrative agencies, paperwork, or personality conflicts between employees.(poker is going to get more lucrative when the misery index starts to climb and i dont have to pay social security tax on that income.)


Posted by: gtr1971 | October 23, 2008 4:17 PM

How many South Vietnamese were killed by Ho Chi Minh? How many did Pol Pot kill in Cambodia? These men were the equivalent of St. Francis I suppose. The North Vietnamese never received support from the Soviet Union or China. I support Reverend Wright's 1st Amendment rights, but he needs to accept responsibility for what he says.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 4:17 PM

* * * * * * * * * *
==> Sen. McCain is learning, via the polls, that he can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but he can not fool all of the people all of the time. Sen. McCain has himself to blame for the failure of his campaign. And, as an aside...why on Earth doesn't Sen. McCain pronounce the 'd' when he says the word 'president?'

Posted by: hungry4it | October 23, 2008 4:16 PM

Let all comrades rejoice! The hour approaches! The lead is unassailable! Comrade Obama is inevitable! He comes as certainly as the tide! The waters are parting! The chosen one arrives! Not since 1959 in Cuba has there been such an upwelling acclaim for change! We will at last be able to pull that wallet out of our evil Bourgeois overseer's pocket and take our just due!

Posted by: Wiggan | October 23, 2008 4:15 PM

hoimacoach: Sure we can. See? I am looking at you and that's all I see there chief.

Posted by: indiebot | October 23, 2008 4:15 PM

If you disagree with a liberal you are a nazi and a racist. Liberals believe in free speech as long as you worship at the altar of someone who believes in infanticide, socialism, and who is soft on Islamofacism.

Liberals cannot define evil when it stares them in the face.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 4:11 PM

Luke2...well said and thank you!!! My grandfather was also a Reagan Dem and this type of nasty propaganda would have made him sick. What a shameful group.

Posted by: PleaseChange | October 23, 2008 4:10 PM

Well if they have any damning or damning lies to tell about BO they need to do it THIS WEEK...and umm it's already thrusday, so many people have already voted in the swing states, that it may be to late for any lies, or big story to affect BO chances, not to mention he has 30 mins prime time next Tuesday to talk against any lies, I think it's over. BO wins, the Repub if they had anything (which apparently they don't) have waited to late anyway.
BO 08!

MCcain just ran a horrible campaign and Palin is a disgrace to all women period. There is only 11 days to go, and in that time more and more early votes will be cast, there is no time for a game changing play of any kind from Mccain, at this point they literally would have to steal the election. I wish MI could vote early I'm so ready for this to be over and I can start planning my trip to DC in Jan to see BO get sworn in.

Posted by: amberlina_t | October 23, 2008 4:09 PM

"Who wants Reverend Wright to be their kid's Sunday school teacher?"

I do. Reverend Jeremiah Wright served in the United States Marine Corps for six years. He loves America. He does have the Constitutional right to criticize his government for some of the injutices it has engaged in.

We killed over 2,000,000 Vietnamese. For what?
We lost over 57,000 of our own loyal troops- a disproportion of them African American- and had over 130,000 badly wounded- for what?

We killed over 100,000 Iraq people and created over a million refugees and destroyed the infrastructure of their country. For what?

Jeremiah Wright spent his entire life trying to help out of work people find jobs, shelter, and sustenance. For a few soundbytes repeated over and over again taken from nearly 3,000 sermons in which he promoted self responsibility, love for your neighbor, and ending division, he is condemned as an anti American.

I disagree. I believe that Jeremiah Wright is what America is all about. Speak up about the injustices committed by your government. That is the American way.

Reverend Wright has many "white" friends" I'm proud to be one of them.

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 4:08 PM

McCain is losing (and will lose) because he has been running an erratic, shoot from the hip campaign when the times call for calm.
McCain has also indulged in the character assassination, guilt by association and scape goating. These kinds of attacks have been rejected by most Americans and have caused Independents and moderate Republicans to move to Obama. Only the ideological right=wing of the Republican party believes these attacks are appropriate. And, then there is Sara Palin.

The winds blowing against McCain are not mild, they are of hurricane force. There is no chance of recovery in just 13 days.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 23, 2008 4:07 PM

Obama's choice to support the murder of children who survived abortions is public record in Illinois. The truth hurts sometimes. Change we can do without: Infanticide, Socialism, & unconditionally talking with terrorists.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 4:06 PM

"Man this comment list is filled with nothing but envy. If your goal is to fund the programs you and obama profess to support. This tax increase is going to backfire.

And the 3% tax increase is a flat lie. The actually tax rate is substantially higher.

39% federal income tax rate
2.5% medicare
12.5 social security (pay both sides if self employed)
+ state tax 6% here in VA

This comes to a total of 60% marginal tax rate.

I will speak for myself - but obama will collect less in tax from me because i will stop working when i get to 250K.

I make 250/hr and currently work 60+hrs/wk. I am going directly into semi-retirement as soon as he is elected and his tax rate goes into effect and will have a lot more free time but the lawn guy is getting the ax. the repair men that i hire currently because it is cost effective will be on the sideline because i will do it myself. The gifts and generousity that i give to my employees currently are gone. Several of them will no longer be necessary. This is just my response to a 60% tax rate. I am not going to bang my head against the wall. I am certain that I am not the only one."

That was a long-winded way of saying, "I'm a liar." Nice job, numbnutz!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 23, 2008 4:04 PM

Please make your opinion count: VOTE.
No opinion counts unless you VOTE.

Increase your voting power by getting others to VOTE.
Please use the next 2 weeks encouraging others to VOTE!

Focus on making the DREAM COME TRUE: Obama '08

Posted by: ford9504 | October 23, 2008 4:02 PM

"My God, Sarah Palin is extremely good looking and incredibly sexy.

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008."

hclark probably pulls his pud when he watches Michelle Bachmann videos too.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 23, 2008 4:02 PM

Foolish republican gasbags continue to falter and stumble! How simleminded they are, using lies, slander and disinformation to try and fool America.
What is next for these has-beens?
What slimy tactic will they try to use in order to steal the election? We'll just have to wait and see. Everything they've done to this point has backfired. But rest assured, in the next two weeks, they will do something drastic to further the conservative agenda.
Obama/Biden, for the change America needs.

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 23, 2008 4:00 PM

39% federal income tax rate
2.5% medicare
12.5 social security (pay both sides if self employed)
+ state tax 6% here in VA

This comes to a total of 60% marginal tax rate.

I will speak for myself - but obama will collect less in tax from me because i will stop working when i get to 250K.

Posted by: gtr1971 | October 23, 2008 3:46 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So you figure that you are netting $104.00 an hour right now but when that goes to $100.00 an hour (your figures, not mine) you just won't find it worth your time any longer.

Looks like you figure that you are willing to pay $100.00 an hour not to work. Your call.

Posted by: mhhaggard | October 23, 2008 3:59 PM

After reading another of the frequent Rethuglican rants against Senators Obama and Biden on this site, I am sending in another $100 to www.barackobama.com

I'm almost maxed out- and I had never contributed to a political campaign in my life. I'm a white, 67 year old Reagan Democrat, by the way.

McWar and the Moose Killer from Wasilla are tearing our country apart with their lying, deceitful, and hate filled Steve Schmidt inspired campaign.

Not this time.

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 3:54 PM

Reverend Wright married Barack and Michelle Obama, his children were baptized by Reverend Wright, and the Obamas attended his church for twenty years.

Who wants Reverend Wright to be their kid's Sunday school teacher? gd America, HIV is a government plot to kill black people. If Obama did not agree with Reverend Wright, why did he stay there for twenty years? This is another example of a bad, cynical, political, and ambition based choice by Barack Obama to associate with people who hate America. Now Obama wants to run and hide from these people. Cannot run from the truth Obama. Vote McCain

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 3:53 PM

How come so many McCain/Palin supporters still did not realize that the entire McCain/Palin campaign is a scam? Fake maverick - McCain; fake reformer - Palin; even fake plumber - Joe. They probably believe that they can fool most of the people most of the time. McCain and Palin bravado is just a complete lack of knowledge. They are attacking Obama like vicious dogs. How anybody can stand it? McCain is definitely erratic and delusional. And Palin…? How in the world she was elected a governor? She is pathetic!
I support this comment:
I want a president who can maintain his composure in all circumstance, be articulate, diplomatic, respectful with a background that enables him to be empathetic and humble. A president, who can relate to the everyday struggles of the lower/middle class population. Someone, who will champion against the wrongs in the current administration while inspiring us to believe in our government again. Someone, who will lead by example. John McCain is none of the above.
Elvera, the Senior Citizen from Texas

Posted by: elvera38 | October 23, 2008 3:53 PM

Obama argues against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act as an Illinois Senator in 2002. Despite Obama’s protestations otherwise, he voted three separate times against this legislation, which was designed to require life-saving care for infants who survive botched abortions. This is a matter of record.
Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 3:36 PM

This is the kind of post which when made in volume is a turn off to a centrist like myself.

I voted for McCain in 2000 primary. John McCain this year has neither the character nor the political philosophy of the man back then. Conservatism can and should be honorable. The Republican Party and its presidential candidate are not honorable this year and there are senatorial candidates like the senator from OR and NH that will suffer because of it. The country will be worse off because of it. Hoimacoach your distortions of the truth makes Republicanism today very distasteful to me.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 23, 2008 3:52 PM

Real Brother here.

Racists, White Supremacists and Black man hating lesbians are now telling the lie that the Terroists will strike before the election and its NOT true.

To suggest that Muslims would want to see McCain in the White House as opposed to Obama who's FATHER is Muslim is just plain DUMB.

Look at what's happening in Kenya and Iraq and other Muslim countries with Obama? The last thing they want to do is help McCain when they want Obama.

You guys stop that.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 23, 2008 3:52 PM

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MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH

'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE

Be afraid of Obama. He is responsible for this.

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Posted by: ObamaBiden | October 23, 2008 3:49 PM

Palin and Bachman can go fishing together after the public dumps them and their UN-American lies.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 23, 2008 3:49 PM

McCain was tested, by the White House in 2001. McCain on Letterman OCT 2001, provided FALSE propaganda based on a secret WHite House source, claimed the Anthrax attack was by IRAQ and that it was a cause for war.

Hmmm. Actually that Anthrax was from Maryland.

False propaganda for the purpose of leading the USA to war is a crime, you know. Watch and see Bush pardon McCain after the election.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 23, 2008 3:46 PM

Man this comment list is filled with nothing but envy. If your goal is to fund the programs you and obama profess to support. This tax increase is going to backfire.

And the 3% tax increase is a flat lie. The actually tax rate is substantially higher.

39% federal income tax rate
2.5% medicare
12.5 social security (pay both sides if self employed)
+ state tax 6% here in VA

This comes to a total of 60% marginal tax rate.

I will speak for myself - but obama will collect less in tax from me because i will stop working when i get to 250K.

I make 250/hr and currently work 60+hrs/wk. I am going directly into semi-retirement as soon as he is elected and his tax rate goes into effect and will have a lot more free time but the lawn guy is getting the ax. the repair men that i hire currently because it is cost effective will be on the sideline because i will do it myself. The gifts and generousity that i give to my employees currently are gone. Several of them will no longer be necessary. This is just my response to a 60% tax rate. I am not going to bang my head against the wall. I am certain that I am not the only one.

Posted by: gtr1971 | October 23, 2008 3:46 PM

My God, Sarah Palin is extremely good looking and incredibly sexy.

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008.

Posted by: hclark1 | October 23, 2008 3:44 PM

Yonkers, New York
23 October 2008

It is not enough that John McCain should protest loudly and shrilly and incessantly that "I am not George Bush!"

In fact, at this late hour, there is nothing McCain can ever do to turn back the tide favoring Barack Obama-will be elected President come November 4th.

On the other hand, Sarah Palin is no big help to McCain when Palin exhibits an extraordinary bad judgment and insensitivity to the pain, the anxiety, the fears, the distress and feelings of helplessness and insecurity millions of Americans are now going through, when she uses $150,000 of Republican National Committee campaign funds to splurge on extraordinarily expensive clothes and accessories and had her face, her hair and her nails done at Neimann-Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue, where the very rich and the very famous--the "elites" of American society--normally go to shop.

People could still easily recall how both McCain and Palin criticized Barack Obama for being "elitist", having gone to ivy league Columbia University and Harvard.

Will Sarah Palin (who now claims to be an "intellectual") have the guts to do a Mea Culpa for being herself an "elitist?"

Or will "straight talker" John McCain do it?

Mariano Patalinjug
MarPatalinjug@aol.com

Posted by: MPatalinjug | October 23, 2008 3:44 PM

Actions speak louder than words. One must be delusional not to realize this.

McCain, as POW provided propaganda for the enemy.

McCain was part of the Keating Five, stopped fed investigators from ending the loan scam costing the US treasury millions.

McCain, says he does not understand the economy, supported DE-regulation of BOTH financial markets AND the health care industry.

McCain currently for health care plan which will end GROUP coverage for 20 million people forcing each to scrabble vs insurance companies, on their own and find price and coverage regardless of past health issues. This is a billion dollar boondoggle for the health care insurance industry and a major blow to elderly insureds.
Yes, beauty is, as beauty does.


Posted by: ottothewise | October 23, 2008 3:43 PM

With all due respect, McCain is not only leaning into a headwind, he is pissing into it as well.

Posted by: michael_ds | October 23, 2008 3:41 PM

I think that Republicans who are not extremely conservative should take heart in what is happening in the presidential campaign. For the future health of the party those practicing Rove politics need to be defeated. What I see as bad would be the losses of the Republican senators in New Hampshire and Oregon although it will compensate for the victory for the senator in Oklahoma.

The Republican Party needs to be a broader party. It is not going to have that appeal campaigning the way McCain has and choosing candidates such as Palin. In the case of Palin she is simply unequipped to undertake the job that she is seeking.

My purpose in stating this is not to convince anyone of the correctness of choosing Obama but rather in the need for the Republican Party to reform itself. It should be the party of lower taxes but it can not be the party that favors the wealthy over the rest of us based on an economic policy that has proved to be a failure over the last eight years.

There are people who would be attracted to the Republican Party if it did not emphasize the culture wars. Some restriction on the right could be acceptable as long as the Party does not stand for the overturn of Roe v Wade. I am willing to give up some degree of personal freedom to assuage the moral sensibilities of others. But when those sensibilities become totally oblivious to the rights of others then I become extremist in the opposite direction.

With respect to the homosexuality issue, I can not fathom denying them a single legal right that is accorded a heterosexual. Their insistence that there be social acceptance by labeling their union a marriage which I believe it to be is simply too much to expect a conservative religious tradition to have to endure.

I believe that it will not take long for Republicans to recover if they understand that they can only promote the agenda of the right when it is not totally blinded by the agenda of the ultra rich and the fanatical religious right.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 23, 2008 3:41 PM

Before anyone on the right gets too jazzed up about the AP poll and the IBDD poll, here's the problem with each of those polls.

AP: 45% of the respondents described themselves as evangelical/born again

IBDD: They badly undersampled the 18-24 age group to the point that McCain led them 74-22. Also, their likely voter model sucks. If you haven't voted in the last 2 elections, you don't make the survey.

Hat tip to the wonderful fivethirtyeight.com

Posted by: cao091402 | October 23, 2008 3:41 PM

Well I stopped giving $$ to Obama after the defeat of the Clintons because I figured (1) the RNC owned and operated McSame campaign would be the same as the Bush campaign (pretending to give a rat's patooty about working Americans coupled with scare tactics and that (2) it would not work this time, unless they could get some help from a terrorist attack. 12 days to go...


AL-Quaida announced yesterday that they support McCain because he is willing to be dragged into an eternal conflict which the Al-Quaida perceive will destroy the USA economy. Al-Quaida said, a terrorist attack should push dumb US voters to vote for McCain and a terrorist attack should be expected.
Also, the English who want the anti-terrorist laws continued, to deny habeas corpus, say a terrorist attack is imminent.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 23, 2008 3:39 PM

there are signs of vote theft and intimidation in early voting by the republicans, no surprise there, but consider the fact that we all don't know how successful, how radical this theft will be. Clearly in consideration the race is much, much closer than most polls suggest, landslide? no way.

Posted by: yarbrougharts | October 23, 2008 3:37 PM

Obama argues against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act as an Illinois Senator in 2002. Despite Obama’s protestations otherwise, he voted three separate times against this legislation, which was designed to require life-saving care for infants who survive botched abortions. This is a matter of record.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 3:36 PM

ajackson3:
"You cannot believe or trust something you KNOW NOTHING about."

Conversely, you can trust or not trust someone you *do* know about. Obama's past actions and associations do not lend credibility to what he says and promises. Actions speak louder than words. One must be delusional not to realize this.

.

Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 3:35 PM

polls dont matter if you can use computers to steal every election.
In West VIrginia, people reported seeing the computer screen change their vote. That's the same as Ohio, the last time.
GOP has expanded the stolen election to WV.
No worries. Fascism is here to stay, Forget Habeas corpus.
That's for English people. No trial, no charges, no attorney, that's the GOP standard for you.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 23, 2008 3:33 PM


lorddunsmore, I think you are missing the point. It is not who's money bought the clothes it is the cost and brands (very elitist brands!). She did not shop frugally, she did not save money, instead she got some of the most expensive brands at the most expensive stores spending over three times the salary of Joe the Plumber!

We certainly do not care how you waste your money or how the GOP chooses to waste their money. But we do not want her in office wasting OUR money!

lorddunsmore Wrote:
As for $150K for Palin's clothes: so what? I'm one of those people who's money was used by the RNC to purchase the wardrobe. Its fine with me. If you didn't pay, you have no say!

Posted by: rcc_2000 | October 23, 2008 3:33 PM

I am outraged!!!!!!!!!!

All that money spent on moose clothes!

$150,000.00 Could have fed thousands of families!


Just burn the moose dud smelling clothes! Charity my behind!!!!

You know what i changed my mind about Obama! I think he will be better for national security and the economy!

Besides I think Sarah Palin is really a Terrorist

Breaking News: The Terrorist Group AKA Alaska Independent party Calling on Russia to help secede from the Union
www.chilitoz.com
Extremists Mark Chryson and Steve Stoll former leaders of the Alaska Terrorist group AKA Independence Party and friends of Sarah Palin are calling on Russia to help them gain independence from the United States.

Watch video of Sarah palin addressing The Alaska Terrorist Group also known as The Independence party. They are calling for a civil war against the mainland.
www.chilitoz.com

Posted by: Drcarrie_Jefferson | October 23, 2008 3:33 PM

Obama told an audience that if his own daughters experienced an unexpected teen pregnancy, he wouldn’t want them “punished with a baby.” This is called abortion for the sake of convenience and zero personal responsibility. Obama voted to not give aid to children who survived abortions in Illinois. Obama supports fully funding of Head Start though. It is okay to murder the newborn child, but you better fully fund his education when he is four. Vote no to this hypocrisy. The live child has the 14 amendment rights of any citizen and should be spared from the butcher Barack Obama. Roe v. Wade states there is a significant state interest in the life of the child in the third trimester. Even under the twisted logic of Roe, a child who survives an abortion deserves constitutional protections. Barack cannot seem to follow the law, cavorts with terrorists and people who hate America, promotes socialism, and is soft on Islamofacism. Vote McCain

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 3:32 PM

I'm kinda horrified at how Sen. McCain is showing up nowadays. There was a time I considered him potentially more worthy than Sen. Clinton for the office. Just now I feel some admiration for his grit and denial under massive odds but zero trust in his leadership or wisdom. Zero trust in his emotional social maturity. He's way more crazy than Howard Dean was after Iowa. Dean made the tactical error that denial would encourage his followers but he didn't grok how it would play on C-Span. Same problem here. If we weren't seeing all this up close and personal we wouldn't really know how crazy it's getting.

Posted by: GaiasChild | October 23, 2008 3:30 PM

The IBD poll -- the most accurate poll of 2004 -- has Obama +1. So does AP. GW is +2 and Gallup is +4.

Why do ignore these polls?

Could it be that you're in a . . . TANK?

Posted by: info42

Mr 42, the article did refer to those polls, actually. Looks like you are guilty of right wing whining.
See my prior post on LIKELY voters, for an explanation of the +1 poll. If you could the regisered voters who replied in the +1 poll, Obama leads by +5.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 23, 2008 3:29 PM

Barack Obama supports infanticide, income redistribution, knowingly worked with and received campaign support from known terrorist William Ayers, and is soft on Islamofacism. He does not hold America values and is unfit to be President of the United States.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse
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Okay, this misrepresents Obama so badly, the question is where to begin.
Doesn't hold American values? Where do you get that idea, hoimacoach? I guess struggling for scholarships and working his way through college and law school is too elitist for you. Or maybe it's that he *embodies* the American dream that is confusing you.
Soft on Islamofascism? Nice try but where is the proof? He's backed as many Defense budgets as he's opposed, and he wants to wage a smarter, better war than W or McCain. And he wants to get us out of there so that the Islamofascists don't continue to drain our resources the way they did the Russians in Afghanistan. (You might want to review that bit of history.)
Worked with William Ayers--well, you got me there. So did Walter Annenberg, one of Ronald Reagan's best friends. So did a lot of Republicans. Obama is a "friend of terrorists" to you and they aren't? Hypocrite.
Income redistribution, also known as the progressive income tax. Been a part of our tax system since it was created; those who gain more from the system contribute more. It's called fairness. But I guess W and McCain's rich buddies (including you?) don't feel they got quite enough from the tax cuts, subsidies, and no-bid contracts over the last eight years--no, they want more.
If there's anyone practicing class warfare around here, it's W and McCain... and the rich are winning.
Now if you have any other Republican talking points to bring up, by all means, let's shoot those down too.

Posted by: dbitt | October 23, 2008 3:28 PM

McCain isn't leaning into a headwind, he's spitting into a hurricane. I have a hard time believing this is going to be anything less than a landslide. The politics of hypothetical fear is a very powerful thing, but the fear of the reality that is the economic crisis is a nuclear explosion. Years of policies that favor the wealthiest 1% have ruined our countries future. Then, as Rome is burning, all Republicans can do is come up with conspiracy theories about 60's radicals and socialism rather than offer healthy solutions. 2008 will be a lesson for the Republican hate machine that will last for years to come. If you lie to the American people and play on their fears..when they find you out..they'll make you pay!!

Posted by: johnnycaffeine | October 23, 2008 3:28 PM

The difference in the polls is about the category LIKELY voter.

Since 40% of registered voters did not bother to vote in 2004, the challenge for pollsters is figuring out which registered voters will vote. Will a 23 yr old who didnt vote in 2000 although registered then, vote this time. What are the probabilities?

In TEXAS, only 15% of under 26 voters voted in the most recent, hotly contested DEM Primary. 13% of under 26 GOP voters in TEX primary.

THEREFORE, leads of even 10% are actually meaningless, compared to TURNOUT.

VOTE, fool the pollsters.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 23, 2008 3:27 PM

larry king; welcome to my show.

joe the plumber; thank you.

larry king; pull up your pants. i can see your crack.

joe the plumber; sorry.

larry king; so tell me, how long have you been a plumber?

joe the plumber; 15 years.

larry king; and you still don't have your plumbers license?

joe the plumber; no.

larry king; why not?

joe the plumber; i can't pass the test.

larry king; how many times have you taken it?

joe the plumber; 43 times.

larry king; have you considered another line of work?

joe the plumber; well, i would like to be a CEO.

larry king; for who?

joe the plumber; maybe for a large bank. maybe an investment firm.

larry king; do you have any CEO experience?

joe the plumber; no.

larry king; so why do you think you could be a CEO?

joe the plumber; are you trying to oppress me?

larry king; no, i'm simply asking you a question.

joe the plumber; this is america. i can be whatever i want.

larry king; well, if you have experience.

joe the plumber; i'm a plumber, aren't i?

larry king; well, no. you just said you can't pass the test.

joe the plumber; you don't need a license to be a plumber.

larry king; actually we checked in your state. you DO need a license.

joe the plumber; so what, are you going to have me arrested?

larry king; that was our plan, yes.

joe the plumber; oh great.

larry king; and there appears to be a lien on your house. it seems you don't pay your taxes to the state or feds either.

joe the plumber; you going to call the IRS too?

larry king; yes.

joe the plumber; so what are you saying?

larry king; i'm saying, it looks like john mccain really f*ed you over.

joe the plumber; wonderful. thanks john.

larry king; do you mind if i call you joe the inmate?

joe the plumber; no, go ahead.

larry king; thanks, and now joe the inmate must leave.

joe the inmate; bye larry.

larry king; bye joe. don't forget the powdered soap.

joe the inmate; i won't.

larry king; that was joe the inmate. and next, we will have oprah live performing metallica's latest hit, "kiss my drumsticks".

Posted by: FozzieBear | October 23, 2008 3:24 PM

The IBD poll -- the most accurate poll of 2004 -- has Obama +1. So does AP. GW is +2 and Gallup is +4.

Why do ignore these polls?

Could it be that you're in a . . . TANK?

Posted by: info42 | October 23, 2008 3:23 PM

McCain wasnt even born in the USA. Dont waste your vote on him.

His birth certificate says COLON, Panama, not the CANAL ZONE, ie, not one of the Army or Naval bases.


Posted by: ottothewise | October 23, 2008 3:23 PM

As a Democrat, I would feel more confident if the various polls weren't so erratic. Obama claims double-digit leads in some, but others show the race essentially even. Granted, the battleground state polls appear to be decisively in Obama's favor. But, having followed this election for what seems like years, I recall state primary polls where Obama burst even or ahead of Hillary Clinton in states like Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania (also, I recall the Zogby poll predicting a big win in California a day or so before the primary), and the end result in those contested primaries didn't realize what the polls forecast. Numerous people wrote Hillary off not only immediately before the New Hampshire primary, but also expected Obama's pre-primary surge in polls in Texas, Ohio and even Pennsylvania to effectively end Clinton's candidacy the very next day. As we all know, it didn't happen that way once the real polls closed and results were counted. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a Democratic victory but am not gloating over any of these conflicting, capricious and snapshot polls.

Posted by: wetgospelphilly | October 23, 2008 3:22 PM

After reading another of the frequent Rethuglican rants against Senators Obama and Biden on this site, I am sending in another $100 to www.barackobama.com

I'm almost maxed out- and I had never contributed to a political campaign in my life. I'm a white, 67 year old Reagan Democrat, by the way.

McWar and the Moose Killer from Wasilla are tearing our country apart with their lying, deceitful, and hate filled Steve Schmidt inspired campaign.

Not this time.

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse
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Luke2, first, thanks for your service. I'm 44 and remember those days as a child, not as an adult, but... thanks.
This is the first time I've contributed more than a nominal amount to a campaign myself, and I had never volunteered before. Lots of people may find this is a pivotal election, a once-in-a-lifetime thing.
I'm voting for Obama because I believe he represents greater possibility for something better than McCain, who is working from the same old Republican/Rovian playbook. We need more than that.
best regards,
DB

Posted by: dbitt | October 23, 2008 3:21 PM

Who wants William Ayers to tutor their kid? Put your money where your mouth is.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 3:21 PM

As for $150K for Palin's clothes: so what? I'm one of those people who's money was used by the RNC to purchase the wardrobe. Its fine with me. If you didn't pay, you have no say!

Posted by: lorddunsmore | October 23, 2008 3:21 PM

There's a nice, compact graphical summary of state-by-state polling trend data at:

http://www.stottlerhenke.com/datamontage/examples/election_2008/datamontage_example_presidential_election_2008.htm

Posted by: jimong | October 23, 2008 3:20 PM

GOP is history, i voted Tuesday for our next president:

BARACK OBAMA

Posted by: rharring | October 23, 2008 3:19 PM

Barack Obama supports infanticide, income redistribution, knowingly worked with and received campaign support from known terrorist William Ayers, and is soft on Islamofacism. He does not hold America values and is unfit to be President of the United States.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 23, 2008 3:19 PM

John Mcmess and the Grand Old Panic[GOP]
can fool the people some of the time but they won't fool the people again..

Posted by: pokeymompokey | October 23, 2008 3:19 PM

His campaign backdrop should read

"Country Club First"

Posted by: jneill7854 | October 23, 2008 3:17 PM

HOW BUSH CAN MAINTAIN POWER AND SHOW McCAIN HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED:

ENLIST PARTY BIGS TO FORCE PALIN OFF TICKET IN FAVOR OF ROB PORTMAN.


Palin's a disaster, and party leaders know it, even if they did foot the wardrobe bill.

A force play that replaces Palin with Portman helps institutionalize the Bush agenda. Palin can't do it because she has been so thoroughly discredited as a politically viable candidate.

McCain is at the party's mercy now. Portman, in all likelihood, was the preferred VP candidate among party regulars. McCain's resistance resulted in the "game changing" Palin pick. But now that he's losing the game, it's time for a huge reverse play. Portman pays two dividends for party loyalists: He ensures the Bush influence, and he helps in Ohio.

Watch -- something big has to happen. It's the only way McCain can salvage this without resorting to what wags are calling the "Diebold solution" -- or an ugly "October Surprise" that deepens a global crisis.

ARE THE McCAIN-PALIN CROWD AGITATORS THE SAME STORMTROOPERS WHO DO THIS:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens


WHAT IF McCAIN-PALIN'S STRATEGY IS AIMED NOT AT VOTERS, BUT AT THE APPARACHIK?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mccain-palins-fellow-traveler-insinuations-what-if-u-s-security-forces-agree


OR http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 23, 2008 3:17 PM

McCain can basically cross Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania off of his list. He's done in these (and others) key states. Can he still find a way to win? Someone had better show me...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 23, 2008 3:16 PM

I have some fears the Republicans, in desperation, will try foul play at the very end. Voting fraud or some very big lie about Obama. Had they found anything of substance, it would already have been out there.

Posted by: asoders22 | October 23, 2008 3:16 PM

The harder the Republicans work to rally their base, the smaller and crazier it gets. Just look at the postings here.

Moderate Republicans are abandoning the Party in droves, and anyone from the center to the left is deeply offended by the tactics and insinuations of the McCain Campaign -- particularly the drumbeat of claims that only far-right Republicans are truly American.

By putting Party first, McCain and Palin have lost the country.

Posted by: nodebris | October 23, 2008 3:14 PM

lorddunsmore forwarded this erroneous information.

"“In his candid conversation with ‘Joe the plumber,’ Obama made clear that his main economic goal is to redistribute wealth, not strengthen and grow our economy,”

lord, get a grip. Senator Obama said nothing of the kind.

Watch the friendly exchange here in which Barack explained the facts to Joe, that he would be much better off under the Democratic plan than the McCain one. Spreading the wealth is not "redistributing the wealth."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUvwKVvp3-o

Stop the lies. We have a progressive tax system. Senator Obama is only seeking to return the tax rates to what existed under the Clinton administration when we had a balanced budget- before George Bush changed them to favor the very wealthy 5% in America.

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 3:13 PM

It is abundantly clear that the extremist republicans are going destroy whatever chance the US has to affect change in the future by further dividing the masses. Since they can't win honorably, they always resorted to preying on the fears of less informed citizens, and differences to divide. But this is the truth the US face: United we stand-Divided we fall. I see no Christian principles in what they have done, inciting coded Racism, inciting phobias of Anti-American, Pro-American, Socialism, Nationalism, Communism, Real American, Terrorist pals, Muslim bashing and the list goes on. Why do extremist Republicans boast about believing in God? Satan believes in God but he will not be going to heaven. If extremist Republicans lived the word of God, US would not have experienced the facilitation of enormous amounts of greed on Wall Street and corruption, abuse of power, and incompetence in every major agency in the government of this administration. Extremist Republicans remind me of the two women who asked King Solomon to decide who the live baby belong to. …the extremist Republicans are requesting that the baby be cut in half therefore killing the baby… Read the story 1King3:15. What was done in the dark (the first 6 years of President Bush administration) is now coming to light (the last two years of President Bush administration).

Posted by: Vonnie932 | October 23, 2008 3:13 PM

Republicans and NeoCons (they are not the same thing) continually assert that Obama does not have the experience to be president. Yet they assert that Gov. Palin does- go figure!

As for senator McCain, what is his claim to fame in this arena – what is it that makes him so qualified to be the next president?

Well it is certainly not his temperament; he is about as excitable and irrational at times as a thirteen year old with a case of raging hormones. It certainly is not his judgment – he passed over Gov. Romney for the Alaskan Barbie who has less executive experience than any VP nominee in the last 50 years! Four years of city council and six years as mayor of a 6000 population town and less than two year as governor is the sum total of her experience! What has McCain done as a senator – what significant pieces of legislation have his stamp on it? What has he done other than to seek to deregulate American business – to set it free of all restraints? This can’t be his great experience. So I suspect that it all boils down to his experiences in Vietnam – in a prison camp. If this qualifies one to be president then the 58,000 who died and the 304,000 who were wounded and the many, many others who suffered in POW camps should be just as well qualified as Senator McCain to be president. So,by this line of reasoning my neighbor Sam who lost a leg in Vietnam is just as well qualified to be president. I am sorry Sam, but I don't think that this rationale works for either of you to be the next president.

Posted by: dotto | October 23, 2008 3:12 PM

I noticed the middle East is placing their vote for McCain by lowering the gas prices. They did the same in 2000 and 2004 and then they spiked them in less than a year. They are concerned that we could come up with cars that don't use gas.It is no secret who the presidents of the oil companies are voting for.Vote for jobs in America

Posted by: 1concernedvoter2 | October 23, 2008 3:10 PM

The ALOHA SPIRIT is prevailing. Thank GOODNESS.

Obama obviously reflects what is good in this country vs. the slime factory of republican politics.

Let's all move on and bury the past mistakes.

NONE TOO SOON.

Posted by: ukeman | October 23, 2008 3:10 PM

I don't like being told by the McCain campaign that I am not "Pro-American" or "Real-American" because I do not live in a certain part of a state or espouse a certain political view. I pay taxes, volunteer in my community, vote, and donate to charity- all of the things "Americans" are reported to do.

If they have so little respect for fellow Americans during their campaigning, why should we expect the McCain/Palin administration have any respect for us should they win.

Posted by: homer4 | October 23, 2008 3:07 PM

He's be down 20 points if Obama had some spine and would quickly counter McCain's idiotic claims.
Lord I can not beleive Obama has no "I am not a socialist and I am insulted by this latest false accusation" ads out by now.

And, why no "I am an average American and Joe The Plummer does not speak for me" ads.
I'm pretty sure you could find a few million people willing to volunteer for that ad.

Yikes I can not believe this Plummer thing was allowed to take flight.

Another wimpy campaign from the democrats. I just do not understand the unwillingness to refute GOP idiocy instead of letting it fester like this.

Posted by: torro67 | October 23, 2008 3:06 PM

Joe Plumber just said that he will personally buy $50,000. worth of Gov. Palin's brand new clothes,

to show how much he believes

she is just like him.

He also said he will give them to Guiliani, so Mr. 911 continues to look magnificent in drag.

Posted by: lichtme | October 23, 2008 3:06 PM

The biggest losers here are all the GOP hacks like Davis, Black, Schmidt, Pftotffronernaier, Berman -- and a thousand others -- who are going to be worth a nickel on K-Street.

With a 80-90 seat majority in the House, a possible filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, a brand-new Administration coming in off a landslide election, and the GOP brand worth nothing, these people are going to be left with zero.

Too bad, so sad.

After what they did to America, it couldn't have happened to a better crowd.

Can you say $100 an hour?

Posted by: Jaxxon | October 23, 2008 3:04 PM

LordDunsmore - first of all, I'm ashamed that you are using my surname - anyhow - have you HEARD the discussion that Senator Obama had with Joe the Plumber's Helper? The candidate took the time to listen to Joe's questions, explain his position completely and help Joe understand his viewpoint. In a close presidential campaign, this was amazing!

Second - repeat after me - "The United States has always had a progressive tax system" Joe would move into a higher tax bracket no matter who was President - he was going to make more taxes.

Third - do the math - Joe would get a 3 % tax increase on proceed above $250,000 - therefore based on Joe's estimate of $280,000 in income, that tax increase would cost Joe - oh, gasp $900 in a year - yup, that'll keep him from hiring someone or buying a truck.

You guys have been fed bovine excrement for so long that you don't even know how bad it tastes anymore and you just keep begging for me.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 23, 2008 3:03 PM

EVEN AL QAEDA CAN'T HELP J.McCAIN/S.PALIN, WHO ARE INSANE AND FALLING !

Posted by: mtavro | October 23, 2008 3:01 PM

Video of McCain campaign silencing Muslim Supporter for standing up against racism at Woddbridge, VA McCain rally:

http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccain-campaign-silences-muslim.html

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 23, 2008 3:01 PM

After reading another of the frequent Rethuglican rants against Senators Obama and Biden on this site, I am sending in another $100 to www.barackobama.com

I'm almost maxed out- and I had never contributed to a political campaign in my life. I'm a white, 67 year old Reagan Democrat, by the way.

McWar and the Moose Killer from Wasilla are tearing our country apart with their lying, deceitful, and hate filled Steve Schmidt inspired campaign.

Not this time.

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 3:00 PM

This quote is from John McCain himself:

“We just let things get completely out of hand,” McCain told the Washington Times, citing “spending, the conduct of the war in Iraq for years, growth in the size of government, larger than any time since the Great Society, laying a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America, owing $500 billion to China, obviously, failure to both enforce and modernize the [financial] regulatory agencies that were designed for the 1930s and certainly not for the 21st century, failure to address the issue of climate change seriously."

AND WE SHOULD REWARD THE REPUBLICANS FOR THIS WITH FOUR MORE YEARS??????

Posted by: StevefromSacto | October 23, 2008 2:58 PM

After reading another of the frequent Rethuglican rants against Senator Obama on this site, I am sending in another $100 to www.barackobama.com

I'm almost maxed out- and I had never contributed to a political campaign in my life. I'm a white, 67 year old Reagan Democrat, by the way.

McWar and the Moose Killer from Wasilla are tearing our country apart with their lying, deceitful, and hate filled Steve Schmidt inspired campaign.

Not this time.

Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 23, 2008 2:58 PM

Perhaps the fact that Al Qaeda is now backing John McCain for president will help his campaign:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102477.html?nav=hcmodule

Vote McCain/Palin: Al Qaeda's choice!

Posted by: frankdiscussion1 | October 23, 2008 2:55 PM

blevins, I guess liberals and democrats are not true Americans. We are socialists and communists because we believe capitalism should have limits - check out Greenspan's admission today. WHat about Bush who has become the greatest socialist in US history? Leave it to him to turn socialist for the wrong population. And we are traitors because we question the war based on lies. Got a shovel? I'll find WMD in your backyard. What about Gonzo and the justice department?
SOrry us faux Americans inhabit the same US as you do. Wait, not realy, we live in non-pro-America areas.

Posted by: bgreston | October 23, 2008 2:53 PM

Well, looks like America will get Obama. God bless America, it'll need Him.

“In his candid conversation with ‘Joe the plumber,’ Obama made clear that his main economic goal is to redistribute wealth, not strengthen and grow our economy,” said O’Leary. “This is pure socialism, albeit thinly veiled, and it does not resonate with hard-working Americans who would rather keep their money than have Obama redistribute it to his favorite constituencies.”

O’Leary also noted that Obama’s tax welfare plan, coupled with his goal of raising barriers to free trade, “makes for a toxic mix that could drive America’s economy into a prolonged depression.”

“Obama isn’t the second coming of JFK,” said O’Leary, “He’s the reincarnation of Herbert Hoover.”

© 2008 CNBC.com

Posted by: lorddunsmore | October 23, 2008 2:52 PM

I don't understand how any "hockey mom" could spend $150,000 of campaign money on clothes in a couple months. Yes, I understand candidates have to look good. I'm all for the professional wardrobes, and grooming, and all that. But... jeez. A hundred and fifty grand -- holy bejeebers. And from campaign donations of people like "Joe the Plumber", no less. And after you've just spent two months painting yourself as a salt of the earth small-town hero, a "real" American who doesn't go in for all that stuff?


You know, Palin really is beginning to come off as a con artist -- a confidence (wo)man. Pure Harold Hill stuff. She says some pretty words, bluffs her way through all the situations that require active knowledge, the crowd cheers, and all the while fleeces everyone around her for travel, and fame, and clothes, etc., etc.


Palin's ridiculous levels of professed self-confidence, during all of this, just adds to the overall vibe that she's playing everyone for rubes, and is enjoying every minute of it. It's not a job or even an election to her, it's a game show, and she won the Big Prize.


What an exceptionally dislikable person Palin seems to be. From the first moment she stepped onto the national stage, there hasn't been a single retold aspect of her personal history that would inspire confidence, or respect, or anything but revulsion. She seems the perfect example of a shallow, petty, self-centered person rising in power simply because being shallow, petty and self-centered are the only tools necessary to do so. I half expect her to make off with McCain's wallet at some point, and be found two weeks later in Atlantic City.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 23, 2008 2:50 PM

Polls were also down for Ronald Reagan until the weekend before Election Day.

VOTE McCain/Palin 2008!!

Posted by: MarkInAustin
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John McCain is no Ronald Reagan...

"The most important event of the entire 1980 presidential campaign was the second presidential debate, which was held one week to the day before the election (October 28). Over the course of two hours, the entire race changed drastically, and what was considered an extremely tight race with the President slightly ahead became a comfortable Republican victory for Reagan."

1. incumbent Jimmy Carter was already burdened with a bad economy, high gas prices, etc.

2. Obama won the last debate

3. You are a dunce


Posted by: LABC | October 23, 2008 2:48 PM

How sweet it is to see Senator Obama widening his lead in the key battleground states. There is now no doubt that McCain/Palin will lose and deservedly so. McCain has run a vicious, dishonorable campaign and the American people know it. Better times are coming for America once Obama is elected.

Posted by: dsrobins | October 23, 2008 2:48 PM

Balz you certainly are a selective manipulator of the facts. Down here in Florida,two of the most current polls -- NBC/Mason-Dixon and FOX News/Rasmussen -- have McCain up by one point. Quinnipiac is out step with these polls and the trending stated in several local newspapers.

Dan, your recent writings fit the mold of what Howard Kurtz wrote about today:


Study: Coverage of McCain Much More Negative Than That of Obama

By Howard Kurtz

Media coverage of John McCain has been heavily unfavorable since the political conventions, more than three times as negative as the portrayal of Barack Obama, a new study says.

Fifty-seven percent of the print and broadcast stories about the Republican nominee were decidedly negative, the Project for Excellence in Journalism says in a report out today, while 14 percent were positive. The McCain campaign has repeatedly complained that the mainstream media are biased toward the senator from Illinois.

Posted by: sagereader | October 23, 2008 2:48 PM

Honestly, at this rate I would not be surprised if McCain ends up looking like Mondale in '84.

Posted by: esmerelda123 | October 23, 2008 2:45 PM

These days, after all the campaign BS we've had to endure, I look at McCain and Palin together and I have only one question left to ask:

Which one is the monkey?

Posted by: barfolomew | October 23, 2008 2:45 PM

So what explains the AP poll today showing them a point apart? Take no chances. Call mybarackobama.com and start dialing for Obama.

Posted by: johndoze | October 23, 2008 2:44 PM

Balz writes: "If Obama's lead nationally is in high single digits, then, if past patterns hold, these battlegrounds are within a few points up or down from that margin."

This year may be different in swing states. The effects of Obama's drastic funding edge and strong grassroots support will be seen more in these states than elsewhere. In other recent presidential elections, no candidate has enjoyed advantages of this magnitude in terms of either fundraising or enthusiastic campaign volunteers.

Posted by: squatty418 | October 23, 2008 2:44 PM

I disagree Billw3, some what. Yes, Senator Obama has charisma, just like Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy. Nothing wrong with that. He also has plans, good plans, laid out plans, thoughtful plans. When you hear his speeches, campaign stomps now, you hear these plans. When you listen to John McCain, you hear no plans, you hear attacks on Senator Obama. No one knows what John McCain is going to do for the country other than keep the Bush tax cuts in place, that he at one time disagreed with, and keep the U.S. military in Iraq. Sarah Palin ONLY attacks, no plans, no substance, no opinion of her own. This is what these polls are reflecting. You cannot believe or trust something you KNOW NOTHING about.

Sister Sarah, seriously, tell us what you think, not what you have rehearsed or your campaign script. If you can do that, maybe, just maybe, you can have these polls shift for you. I don't want an uninformed, unprepared, in over their head VP for this republic. What say the rest of you?

Posted by: ajackson3 | October 23, 2008 2:44 PM

FOR THOSE OF YOU DUMB-DUMBS BELIEVING THIS NONSENSE ABOUT BERG v. OBAMA, PLEASE REFER TO THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION AT FactCheck.org:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

THERE ARE GOOD PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE DOCUMENT.

I ALMOST FELL FOR IT, TOO. NOW, LET IT BE!

PS-THE ANNENBURG FOUNDATION (authors of FactCheck.org) WAS FOUNDED BY Walter H. Annenberg, A FRIEND OF RONALD REAGAN.

Posted by: jhpg | October 23, 2008 2:42 PM

Chance1, you and Mr. Russo at "RestoreTheRepublic" have incorrect information, just plain wrong. According to the Docket Report in Berg v. Obama, 08-CV-4083 (Eastern District of Pennsylvania), Mr. Berg moved the Court (Surrick, Judge) to deem his requests for admissions admitted on Tuesday, October 21. He did so after amending his complaint (which Mr. Obama's attorneys had moved to dismiss), and a day after Mr. Obama's attorneys moved to dismiss even the amended complaint for failure to state a claim.

The requests for admission are part of the discovery process, which is stayed (there is no right or duty involving discovery) while a motion to dismiss is pending before the Court. Not only has Mr. Obama not defaulted on anything, he has presented a decent motion that Mr. Berg has no standing, no support, and not even any truth to his assertion.

That means, Chance1, that you and your rightist blogger sources are just as wrong as when they claimed Mr. Obama was a radical Islamiste (not just a Muslim, but a fanatic religious nut, like many of the hypocrite "Christians" I grew up around). You are spreading patent falsehoods when, with just one phone call to a U.S. District Court you could get the truth. Rather than seeking truth, though, you and your kind would rather spread rumor and then feel hurt that none of us Real Americans believe your erroneous BS.

Check your facts, chance1, not just the internet. It takes more time, sure, but it will prevent you from embarrassing yourself again like you have done here, just trusting other fools who don't check (or perhaps even care about) facts.

EJ Hurst II, Attorney at Law
Severna Park, Maryland

___________________________

Posted by: Chance1 | October 23, 2008 1:53 PM
It has been brought to my attention that Obama (and the DNC) has defaulted on a federal lawsuit that reveals the true origins of his birth in Kenya making him ineligible to run for the office of President of the United States.

Posted by: JayHurstAtty | October 23, 2008 2:41 PM

It's indeed interesting to hear the repug plants claiming "the pools are not accurate", "Obama is a socialist", ad naseum.

The noise coming from them is merely the desperate sounds of the demons finally being exorcised from the American spirit.

Our country is finally on it's way to become healthy again, after 8 years of gross mismanagement.

Obama/Biden '08!

Posted by: Jaxon1 | October 23, 2008 2:38 PM

Taking a mature approach here. Health care. While McCain & company are having fits about socializing health care and lack of choice, waiting in long lines, being told if and when a surgery can happen. This is daunting. HOWEVER we already have this. They are called HMOs such as Kaiser. So stopping harping on the GOP. Wish Obama's camp would point this out. It is a dawn of a new day. Remember though, if the Dems don't get this right in some fashion within 4 years, they (me???? :) will be looking down the barrel of the same gun the GOP is looking at now.

Posted by: an81dodger | October 23, 2008 2:38 PM

CNN's Interview with the Dynamic Duo

CNN: "Mister McCain, please tell us why you are losing so badly."

McCain; "We're not. We have them right where we want them."

CNN: "Mister McCain, you are losing by double digits in every state."

McCain; "That's what we want. We like coming from behind."

CNN; "Mister McCain, you are LOSING."

McCain; "No we're not. We're winning."

CNN: "Senator, are you senile?"

McCain; "No, I'm seeing Cindy."

CNN; "Can you even hear?"

McCain; "I have a little hair, why?"

CNN; "Ms Palin, how are you?"

Moose Lady; "I AM FINE!"

CNN; "That's nice. What do you think of the election?"

Moose Lady; "YOU BETCHA!"

CNN; "Excuse me? I asked, what do you think of the election so far?"

Moose Lady; "SAY IT ISN'T SO, JOE!!!"

CNN; "Joe? Who's Joe? You mean Joe the Plumber?"

Moose Lady; "I CAN NAME 42 OF THE 50 STATES!!! :) :) :)

CNN; "And?"

Moose Lady; "AND WHAT???? :) :) :)

CNN; "And.. and.. and.. never mind."

Moose Lady; "I CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM MY HOUSE!!! :) :) :)

CNN; "Yes, we know."

McCain; "And I can see Arizona from MY house!!!"

CNN; "But senator, you LIVE in Arizona..."

McCain; "I do?"

CNN; "Well, that's about all the time we have. Thank you Ms Palin, and thank you Senator."

McCain; "I thought I lived in Texas. Cindy? Don't I live in Texas? Cindy? Cindy?"

Moose Lady; "CAN I CALL YOU JOE?!?!?!?"

McCain; "What? Who? Where? Why? Oh dear.."

Moose Lady; "A DEER? WHERE!! WHERE!! WHERE'S A DEER?!?!? SHOOT THAT SUCKER!!!"

Posted by: FozzieBear | October 23, 2008 2:36 PM

Last few days I've exchanged several emails with an old army bud in Ohio.

6 months ago he was very annoyed I was for Obama. He came out strongly for McSame after the GOP nomination was clinched.

Lately he has bordered on hysterical (that's the only way I can describe it) as poll numbers shift Obama's way. There is no rational discussion with him.

I suggested we not discuss the campaign since we were not going to change eachother's minds. I wished him good luck working for his candidate and reminded him that (a) whether he believed it or not both sides loved this country and (b) we would all be Americans after this election - just as we are now.

The hysteria was a bit frightening.....like his entire world view was on the verge of collapse.

Sad.

Posted by: toritto | October 23, 2008 2:36 PM

A little civility please. Us wimpy effete democrats and liberals are supposed to be nice. Let's gloat in silence while the headwinds sink McInane's ship with his runway babe. Then let's party like Animal House on Nov 5. Togas anyone?

Posted by: bgreston | October 23, 2008 2:35 PM

Why is Obama winning? I think Joe Klein nails it in the conclusion of his Time article:

"Even more remarkable, Obama has made race — that perennial, gaping American wound — an afterthought. He has done this by introducing a quality to American politics that we haven't seen in quite some time: maturity. He is undoubtedly as ego-driven as everyone else seeking the highest office — perhaps more so, given his race, his name and his lack of experience. But he has not been childishly egomaniacal, in contrast to our recent baby-boomer Presidents — or petulant, in contrast to his opponent. He does not seem needy. He seems a grown-up, in a nation that badly needs some adult supervision."

Posted by: thrh | October 23, 2008 2:33 PM

I think and I hope that this election goes to the Democrats in a big way. The Republicans have lost their credibility and their trust. Go, Obama/Biden....

Posted by: gilbertpb40 | October 23, 2008 2:31 PM

TIME to RETIRE with whatever is left of your DIGNITY ,and a graceful WAR Mr. MCCAIN

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 23, 2008 2:29 PM

I definitely hope these polls are accurate and will stay that way. Good luck Obama, and good luck America!

Posted by: ExpressReader | October 23, 2008 2:26 PM

All you right wingers are idiots. Here is what socialism means:

so·cial·ism /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


With that definition in mind, please tell me how Barack Obama is going to control the means of production and distribution in our system? Be specific now, and don't forget that our current tax sytem is a progressive one where taxes are evenly distributed.

Posted by: BigB1 | October 23, 2008 2:26 PM

These POLLS are not accurate Washpost.


McCain/Palin 08
True Americans

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 23, 2008 2:25 PM

MCCAIN IS A SOCIALIST!!!


Down in the polls, McCain's Divide & Flail™ strategy is to call Barack Obama's tax cut for 95% of Americans "socialism."


Well, McCain must have once been a socialist, because it turns out that for years he supported higher taxes on the wealthy to pay for lower taxes on the middle-class.


The YouTube don't lie....my friends:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8EyGpOU3qM
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 23, 2008 2:24 PM

Everybody vote early! Let's finally start the 21st century.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: grimmix | October 23, 2008 2:22 PM

While Wall Street flounders, major banks topple, the US auto industry in the throws of death, the average American's 401K decimated, the Caribou Barbie goes on a $150K shopping spree to Neiman-Marcus and Saks 5th. She does this while extolling the virtues of small town USA and railing against the elite Hollywood set and those on the coasts. It's just absurdly hypocritical but I guess the GOP knows no boundaries. This type of shenanigan has worked so well in the past on "low information" voters. I guess this year with the economy a disaster, some of these low information voters have no choice but to vote their pocketbook and put that cultural vote on hold.

Posted by: jabreal00 | October 23, 2008 2:18 PM

When Asked What Has Barak Obama accomplished in his lifetime to qualify him for the presidency the youth of America cannot answer. They want him because he looks like their contemporary heroes of the screen, television, music and sports. McCain looks like their grandfather and Hillary like their mom.

They are idealists and emotional. That said consider this

MLK: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." Amen!

No one should judge a man or woman by the color of their skin. But no one should brand as a racist someone who makes a judgment on the content of the character of a candidate for POTUS no matter what the color of their skin. I admire and respect Colin Powell and Condolessa Rice and of course MLK himself for the content of their fine character, and their integrity and their accomplishments without regard to their skin tone. I deplore what I see in the character of the Rev. Wright and that of Louis Farrakhan as evidenced by their hate speech. I deplore the character of David Duke and I believed the same about Bull Connors, and those vicious thugs who murdered three freedom riders. I believe that Barak Obama does not have the character or judgment to be Potus, from supporting the Rev who honors Farrakhan and lying about it, because of his close cozy connection with a corrupt slumlord named Rezko. Electing Obama just because of the color of his skin turns MLK 's dream upside down.

Posted by: mharwick
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Well aren't you special! You use the words of one great black man to tear down another? What are you a klansman? You got your little white hood on? got your cross and some gasoline? I can't wait until Obama wins and I can imagine your stupid azz crying like a little biitch at home cause you now have a Black man as president. Oh it's ok you little racist booger, your special day isn't going to happen this year, OURS IS!

Posted by: gabbamonkey | October 23, 2008 2:18 PM

Polls were also down for Ronald Reagan until the weekend before Election Day.

VOTE McCain/Palin 2008!!

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 23, 2008 2:17 PM

OBAMA BIDEN 08...!!!!


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 23, 2008 2:17 PM

Can we please stop calling Karl Rove a genius now? He has helped immeasurably to create a 'permanent republican minority.' McCain might be winning if he hadn't listened to 'the genius.'

Posted by: cfeher | October 23, 2008 2:15 PM

Palin is a Socialist Freeloader!!


$150,000 shopping sprees (at all the best "elitist" shops, no less), on the Republican National Committee tab.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html


$21,012 worth of free flights for her daughters, charged to the state.
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http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/10/22/alaska_paid_for_palin_daughters_to_travel/


All this, when she already makes $125,000 a year as governor and pockets an extra $22,883 in energy extraction royalties.


Sarah Palin is a chisler supreme.


All of which makes the fact that she charged $16,951 in expenses charged to the state, including 312 per diem allowances for staying in her own home just that much more amazing.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html


A dual income family, with Sarah earning $125K. Free travel (even for the family), and now free clothes, hair and makeup. They can actually go out in her backyard and shoot a moose, keeping her family in free mooseburger for a year. And still she feels the need to cheat. Shoot that moose for free and still charge the state $60 per burger. And she claims she deserves every bit of it.


Now that's what I call a perverse sense of entitlement.


"Sounds like socialism to me," to borrow a phrase.


Just another fake "bootstrapper" Republican. What a shocker.


Meanwhile, we all have to endure the indignity of Palin turning the campaign for the Vice Presidency into some kind of FOX reality TV makeover show, where they take some ridiculously not-ready-for-prime-time pol and dress her up, push her out on the stage, and see if they can turn her into a VP in 10 weeks.


What the heck, right? It's just being second in line to the nuclear launch codes. No big thing. We could even do a whole copromotional deal with moose sandwiches at Subway.


Thanks, Republicans. You sure do love your country n' stuff.
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 23, 2008 2:13 PM

Hey Chance1,

You're a true believer in Joseph Goebbels belief that by repeating a lie often enough people may start believing it to be true???

Sorry to disappoint you but except for you, people are a little smarter these days.

Posted by: chris30338 | October 23, 2008 2:13 PM

I think American have finally said enough to the lies and divisive politics. McCain says Obama will raise taxes, but fails to mention that he will raise taxes on people like me, who make more than $250,000. Other than my dad, no one else in my family makes that much money. In fact, most people in my family make less than $75,000. Most people I know make less than $100,000.

McCain says he will reach across the aisle after the election if he wins. How will he be able to do that when he, Palin, and his campaign have run the most vile attacks and lableled democrats as anti-american? McCain will not be able to say, oh, I'm back to my regular self, I just did all those things because I was in the midst of a campaign. That won't be good enough. The challenges we will face as a country next year, including McCain if elected, will require a unified country. I don't think we will ever get that back after this time because of the campaign tactics used by McCain.

What would have happened, it the campaign had only been about policy differences? How much better off would the country have been following the election under that scenario? By using a scorched earth policy to campaigning, McCain has ensured that we will continue to be a divided country. It's sad because it didn't have to end this way.

Posted by: adrobinson | October 23, 2008 2:12 PM

Message to Chance1 . . . . . .


. . . . . you are a Hoot! How long did it take you to build that web site, some real funny stuff!!!!!!

You should submit it to SNL, it would make some good material for some of their spoofs. . . . . . . it may not get quite as many laughs as the Sarah Palin appearance, but it would be up there.

Keep the funny stuff coming, we need it in these hard times with the country being led down the drain by this Republican Administration, and the economy in the toilet, oh, and jobs are disappearing faster then President Bush on the McCain Campaign Trail!


Veterans for Obama!

Obama/Biden '08 '12

Posted by: seakayaker | October 23, 2008 2:12 PM

Headwind??? LOL!! It's a ferakin hurrican baby and it's gonna blow mccain and his lipsticked pig all the way back to Alaska.

Posted by: pgiaquinto | October 23, 2008 2:12 PM

Can any of the republicans who are so unbending in their support for McCain explain just how he has been tested? He keeps stressing the fact that he has been tested, how? He never explains. A POW camp does not prepare one for the Presidency.

Posted by: vote_with_your_brain | October 23, 2008 2:11 PM

It would be fiscally responsible for the GOP to just pull all of its remaining campaign funds and apply it towards some good mental health counseling. Imagine how many sessions could have been covered with the $150,000 spent on Gov. Palin's wardrobe and makeup!

Posted by: jwtusjp | October 23, 2008 2:10 PM

The democrats are the crooks, there are documents everywhere proving this. Bush warned Congress 17 times about Fannie and Freddie. The democrats blocked any and all regulation. Please people DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

AND NOW: a national crisis with Obama:

Why did he really go to Haiwaii??:

The news agencies have already been notified by bloggers:

It has been brought to my attention that Obama (and the DNC) has defaulted on a federal lawsuit that reveals the true origins of his birth in Kenya making him ineligible to run for the office of President of the United States. Please investigate this press release and report your findings to the American people. You can find a copy of the press release here: http://www.restoretherepublic.com/elections/obama-dnc-admit-all-allegations-in-berg-v-obama


Posted by: Chance1 | October 23, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse
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You're an idiot. If you can't beat them, then just try to beat them up is that it? You would rather have the country ran by a senile, handicapped, puffy face, lying little troll right? you and your kind along with McClame are just the saddest losers. This race is over, this little news deal, will go NOWHERE just like you and your candidate, John McCstank and his little bimbo sidekick, you know, the dumb one.

Posted by: gabbamonkey | October 23, 2008 2:09 PM

I think McCaint loves to screw things...up that is

....McCaint screwed up royally in Western Pennsylvania yesterday when he accidentally sided with Democrats who have called the region racist....

Said McCain: "You know, I think you may have noticed that Senator Obama's supporters have been saying some pretty nasty things about Western Pennsylvania lately. And you know, I couldn't agree with them more."

....Wow this man was off Cindy meds that day...


McCaint being the 72 Ford MAverick that he is....recovered quickly....uh NOPE....

Rather than backtracking, McCaint just kept on rolling, like the stupid talk express...
.... In what direction..off the road...

McCaint's botched attempt at a recovery. "I couldn't disagree with you," he declared (referencing what, no one knows).

"I couldn't agree with you more than the fact that Western Pennsylvania is the most patriotic, most god-loving, most, most patriotic part of America, and this is a great part of the country."

...More lies to "small towns"

peeeuuu Palin was also touting the pro-America parts of the country.

And actually could be just as politically messy than the inadvertent labeling of Western Pennsylvanians as racists.

See for yourself @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnE-YJ---GI&

Speaking of peeeuuu Palin's "pro-America" remarks the Alaska Governor apologized for those comments yesterday, saying they were misunderstood.

Really?????????????

Because how else can someone interpret this? "

We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard-working, very patriotic, very pro-America areas of this great nation."

Ugh....I hope the Brian Williams NBC Interview is the final nail in the Palin/McCain Campaign.....


Posted by: AlexP1 | October 23, 2008 2:08 PM

Chance1,

Forgot to mention this but the link you posted belongs to a right-wing smear site, NOT a press release. Do you even know what a press release is??? I can send you links of sites that claim that McCain is an alien. Do you believe all the garbage that's thrown your way??? Wait, you already answered that.

Posted by: chris30338 | October 23, 2008 2:08 PM

The democrats are the crooks, there are documents everywhere proving this. Bush warned Congress 17 times about Fannie and Freddie. The democrats blocked any and all regulation. Please people DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

AND NOW: a national crisis with Obama:

Why did he really go to Haiwaii??:

The news agencies have already been notified by bloggers:

It has been brought to my attention that Obama (and the DNC) has defaulted on a federal lawsuit that reveals the true origins of his birth in Kenya making him ineligible to run for the office of President of the United States. Please investigate this press release and report your findings to the American people. You can find a copy of the press release here: http://www.restoretherepublic.com/elections/obama-dnc-admit-all-allegations-in-berg-v-obama

Posted by: Chance1 | October 23, 2008 2:07 PM

Chance1,

Your entire post is a bunch of .....well Bull. Yeah, I can file a lawsuit against God in the federal system if I wanted to. Wait, someone actually did that. Filing a lawsuit means nothing at all. Get over it. Oh, and I love the question "Why did he really go to Hawaii?" (BTW, the spelling is not Haiwaii). Yeah, isn't that sinister? He was born there, and his grandmother who lives there is dying, you idiot!!!

Jeeez, get an education and learn to spell before you start sprouting your garbage!

Posted by: chris30338 | October 23, 2008 2:05 PM

Not only are the citizens in the polls seeing the light regarding the McCain/Palin Ticket but so are other members of the Republican Party. They know that the McCain/Palin ticket is not the right fit for America.

In a article titled:

Sarah Palin dragging down Republican ticket: polls

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081023/ts_alt_afp/usvoterepublicanpalin;_ylt=AjIb3taJk5YFWF2U8_8ZriOb.HQA

Ken Adelman, a Republican hawk who served in top diplomatic and defense posts for presidents Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, told the New Yorker magazine that Palin's choice for vice president made him switch sides and he is now supporting Obama for president.

Former secretary of state Colin Powell, a Republican and military general who has also served as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, on Sunday endorsed Obama and said of Palin: "I don't believe she is ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president."

And one of former president George H.W. Bush's speechwriters, Christopher Buckley, a prominent conservative, announced this month he was abandoning support for McCain for many reasons, including "the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?"

AND WHAT ABOUT MCCAINS RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO VETERANS!

The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America released its annual congressional scorecard. Senators Obama and Biden received a "B" rating. For the second year in a row, John McCain got a "D" rating, placing him solidly in the lowest 10% of Senators nationwide.

SOURCE: http://www.veteranreportcard.org/reportcard.pdf

How about the DAV - Disabled American Veterans

McCain doesn’t have a perfect score with DAV (Disabled American Veterans), a group of 1.3 million disabled veterans that supports more funding for veterans health care. McCain has a 20 percent record of voting the way DAV would like him to in 2006. The group is nonpartisan, but its 100 percent rankings disproportionately go to Democrats: 207 Democrats in Congress and only 13 Republicans received scores of 100 percent in 2006.


Take a good look at Senator McCain, a lot of talk but his voting record does not support his professed love for veterans, in fact his voting record supports just the opposite!

Veterans for Obama!

Obama/Biden '08 '12

Posted by: seakayaker | October 23, 2008 2:04 PM

It would have been interesting to see how the campaign might have unfolded if McCain/Palin had attempted to be more honest in their tactics. Obama is not blameless in this, but there is a huge honesty gap between the two campaigns.

Posted by: mcarroll2 | October 23, 2008 2:02 PM

It seem, there is only one factor that may make an impact now, terrorist attack on US soil. Republicans has long ago acknowledged that it will help them.

Posted by: thought1 | October 23, 2008 1:59 PM

Looks like McSlime and his bimbo sidekick are running out of idiots to con into voting for them. Gee... What a shame. I'm just crying my eyes out over this. Poor Republicans. Looks like they will have to find another country to ruin.

Posted by: abigsam | October 23, 2008 1:56 PM

"McCain is slamming the undecided states with at least 12 automated phone calls a day messages against Obama. There should be a law prohibiting this. It's harassment, and invasion of privacy, and disturbing the peace and quite of ones home. No candidat should be allowed to do this." ONE POSTER SAID THIS. I say that King Barak will outlaw any such actions once he is crowned and enthroned on 1/20/09

Posted by: mharwick | October 23, 2008 1:55 PM

The democrats are the crooks, there are documents everywhere proving this. Bush warned Congress 17 times about Fannie and Freddie. The democrats blocked any and all regulation. Please people DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

AND NOW: a national crisis with Obama:

Why did he really go to Haiwaii??:

The news agencies have already been notified by bloggers:

It has been brought to my attention that Obama (and the DNC) has defaulted on a federal lawsuit that reveals the true origins of his birth in Kenya making him ineligible to run for the office of President of the United States. Please investigate this press release and report your findings to the American people. You can find a copy of the press release here: http://www.restoretherepublic.com/elections/obama-dnc-admit-all-allegations-in-berg-v-obama

Posted by: Chance1 | October 23, 2008 1:53 PM

When Asked What Has Barak Obama accomplished in his lifetime to qualify him for the presidency the youth of America cannot answer. They want him because he looks like their contemporary heroes of the screen, television, music and sports. McCain looks like their grandfather and Hillary like their mom.

They are idealists and emotional. That said consider this

MLK: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." Amen!

No one should judge a man or woman by the color of their skin. But no one should brand as a racist someone who makes a judgment on the content of the character of a candidate for POTUS no matter what the color of their skin. I admire and respect Colin Powell and Condolessa Rice and of course MLK himself for the content of their fine character, and their integrity and their accomplishments without regard to their skin tone. I deplore what I see in the character of the Rev. Wright and that of Louis Farrakhan as evidenced by their hate speech. I deplore the character of David Duke and I believed the same about Bull Connors, and those vicious thugs who murdered three freedom riders. I believe that Barak Obama does not have the character or judgment to be Potus, from supporting the Rev who honors Farrakhan and lying about it, because of his close cozy connection with a corrupt slumlord named Rezko. Electing Obama just because of the color of his skin turns MLK 's dream upside down.

Posted by: mharwick | October 23, 2008 1:52 PM

It's funny how much press that one AP poll has gotten (not to mention a huge story in the NY Post) when it is isolated and easily could be an anomale. Did I say funny? Oh, I meant not funny.

Posted by: Jessmezzo | October 23, 2008 1:51 PM

McCain is slamming the undecided states with at least 12 automated phone calls a day messages against Obama. There should be a law prohibiting this. It's harassment, and invasion of privacy, and disturbing the peace and quite of ones home. No candidat should be allowed to do this.

Posted by: msreginacomcastnet | October 23, 2008 1:51 PM

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 23, 2008 1:50 PM

Maybe the Republicans would like to explain just what policies and doctrines of the Bush Years they would like to see prolonged by a McCain-Palin victory.

Anyone?

Posted by: Attucks | October 23, 2008 1:50 PM

McCain keeps musing "I've been tested!" Well if the polls are any indication of the "test," McCain is flunking. Certainly in the area of leadership, judgment, and consistency.

Posted by: JaneB08 | October 23, 2008 1:50 PM

I think their negative campaigning is finally having exactly the appropriate effect. Americans are rejecting the degree of negative advertising brought to you by the McCain/Palin campaign.

Posted by: warren5 | October 23, 2008 1:50 PM

Yes, yes, McCain has the republican party around his neck, and the voters are blaming the republicans for the disaster our country has become during their rule.

The only chance McCain has is to run against his entire party, not just against Bush. However his selection of Palin has ended any opportunity for pursuing this path. His attempts to divide us into pro- and anti-American voters has ended any chance he had at all of converting the independents.

And I'm still trying to figure out how being brutally tortured by the North Vietnamese has "tested" him for the presidency.

I'm using his campaign decisions as an example of how this man plans to run our country. And it ain't looking good McCain.

Posted by: barfolomew | October 23, 2008 1:49 PM


We must push through the finish line. Please contact all your friends and family living in swing and "safe" states. Tell them why you are voting for a forward-looking, compassionate and intelligent leadership. Beware the retro-backlash and impact of smears from McSame-Barracuda-RNC-Bush.

Vote!!

PS The election board office in Prince George's County is loaded with people eager to vote. The wait time is running about 45 minutes to fill out and get approved the absentee ballot. Then you can vote at that time.

Posted by: Towards_Light | October 23, 2008 1:49 PM

McCain is getting his wrinkles azz whupped.

His dressed-up pig running mate isn't helping him, either.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 23, 2008 1:49 PM

Looks like McCain and Palin's weeks of negative, dirty campaigning aren't having much of an effect...

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | October 23, 2008 1:43 PM

...McCaint has announced that Joe Wurzelbacker is coming along on his campaign.....

McCaint has a new plan to jumpstart the economy and talk of his new tax plan for America....

Joe the Unlicenced Plumber will give informercials on how to.....

Snake a toilet with a common garden hose
Remove a bathtub and install a shower
Install a Waterheater and piping
Remove trapped food from your dishwasher
Repair a septic tank
Replace a Kitchen Sink

...all ways to save we Americans from paying a $250,000 dollar a year plumber from coming to your house..

And did I say that McCaint was going to give Joe Wurzelbacker the Unlicenced Plumber a tax credit???

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 23, 2008 1:43 PM

I just wish for one week John McCain could live the life of a man or woman, working a 40-hour week on minimum wage, paying payroll taxes, and living off that net income. Just to see what that net income could buy in a week, how much rent, food and gas if he was lucky enough to be able to afford even an old clunker and the insurance on it. Then talk about how these people are undeserving, and how the rich do not need to pay their fair share, even though it's just the amount they paid under Reagan and Clinton, like that's too much for them to bear.

I'd like to see John McCain live in the REAL WORLD of the working person for just a week and do the actual work of MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS. Why does he hate working people? Does he even know what payroll taxes are and how much they are?


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GOP SUPER RICH REPUBLICAN WALL STREET CRIMINALS PREPARE FOR HANDCUFFS AND ASSETS CONFISCATION

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If you want to know who was responsible for this $3 TRILLION MESS and TREASON AGAINST THE U.S. TREASURY, THEN FOLLOW THE MONEY.

The chief beneficiaries of the economic system now collapsed are the GOP WALL STREET EXECUTIVE SPECULATORS, CEOs, CFOs, COOs of the corporations which designed it.

BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, PAULSON, MCCAIN, PALIN disapproved regulations affecting their own businesses, a perfect recipe for corruption.

The REPUBLICAN "BASE" has become nothing more than a CRIMINAL GROUP COMMITTING GRAND FRAUD / TREASON AGAINST the AMERICAN PEOPLE.


CONFISCATE ALL PROPERTIES (DOMESTIC / ABROAD) OF GOP REPUBLICANS AND WALL STREET CEOs INVOLVED IN THIS $3 TRILLION TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THROW THEM IN JAIL WITH ALL OF THEIR MONEY RETURNED TO THE U.S. TREASURY.


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Posted by: dwashington1 | October 23, 2008 1:41 PM

Well I stopped giving $$ to Obama after the defeat of the Clintons because I figured (1) the RNC owned and operated McSame campaign would be the same as the Bush campaign (pretending to give a rat's patooty about working Americans coupled with scare tactics and that (2) it would not work this time, unless they could get some help from a terrorist attack. 12 days to go...

Posted by: shrink2 | October 23, 2008 1:41 PM

A factor here is Obama's charisma. He could make a speech about a t*rd sound inspirational. He missed his calling as a preacher man, like Wright.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 23, 2008 1:34 PM

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