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Before Character Attacks, a Policy War on the TV

By Ed O'Keefe
New ads released over the weekend by Barack Obama continued a focus on health care, while John McCain's criticized Obama's record on taxes in perhaps the last gasp of the policy-related ad war that has dominated the airwaves in recent weeks.

The McCain campaign has signaled an intention to focus its ads going forward on raising questions about Obama's character.

The Obama camp now has a suite of ads related to health care in rotation. "Coin" starts airing Monday in battleground states and compares Obama's plan to McCain's:

"Barack Obama would require insurance companies to cover routine treatments, like vaccines and mammograms," the ad says. "John McCain would deregulate the insurance giants, letting them bypass patient protections in your state. Obama would force insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. McCain would let them continue to do as they please. Isn't your health care too important to be left to chance?"

Another Obama ad on health care calls McCain's plans "a multitrillion dollar tax hike. The largest middle-class tax increase in history."

The Post's Fact Checker reports however that "most American families would come out slightly ahead for the next decade at least." McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds called the ad "a bald faced lie" and said the McCain plan will improve the tax code for middle income Americans.

As for the McCain campaign, it released an ad on Friday critical of Obama's record on taxes:

"Sen. Obama voted ninety-four times for higher taxes. Ninety-four times. He's not truthful on taxes. At least Congressional liberals admit they want to raise your taxes. Add billions in new spending. And oppose offshore drilling. Congressional liberals. The truth hurts you."

As has been reported before, Obama voted for non-binding congressional budget resolutions that envisioned letting 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire, as scheduled, in 2011.

The Post's Fact Checker reports that "these budget resolutions come up every year, and do not represent a vote for higher taxes in future years."

In response, the Obama campaign produced a Web-only video that uses the same method of calculation on tax votes employed by the McCain campaign against the Republican candidate, suggesting McCain has voted 477 times for tax increases over the course of his House and Senate careers.

Amid reports of the McCain campaign raising questions about Obama's past associations, such as to 1960s-era radical Williams Ayers, the Obama campaign has also produced a 30-second spot called "This Year":

"Three quarters of a million jobs lost this year. Our financial system in turmoil. And John McCain? Erratic in a crisis. Out of touch on the economy. No wonder his campaign's announced a plan to 'turn a page on the financial crisis,' distract with dishonest, dishonorable 'assaults' against Barack Obama. Struggling families can't turn the page on this economy and we can't afford another President who's this out of touch."

The DNC has also released a Web-only video that criticizes McCain for the new strategy. It features a clip of McCain saying in 2000 that: "Sooner or later people are going to figure out that if all you run is negative attack ads, you don't have much of a vision for the future, or you're not ready to articulate it."

By Web Politics Editor  |  October 6, 2008; 8:46 AM ET
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People really shouldnt express opinions without having the full story.
Yes, Fan and Fred were the tools used to get many people into mortages a little over their heads.But thats were most people get the rest of the story screwed up.
The real Financial crisis were facing today is not just the facts of the mortage meltdown, it actually more about what the Banking, or Lending and then Wall Street did with those Loans that has created the mess were in.Clever bookkeeping made negatives positives, and they borrowed against that, and made more negatives positive, and borrowed against that.But finally, the Pyramid scheme wall street was running fell apart.They missed the one keystone that could have prevented all of this from happening,,,,REALITY.
They all knew this would eventually spiral out of control.They knew eventually their own notes would be called in, and they would have to answer for their debts.The minor impact Fred and Fan have on this is at the base level, a crack in the glass.The accounting and Market manipulation that unfolded as a result of these loans is where the glass really got broken,and theres no way to mend that.Which is why the Bailout had to happen, regardless of where it started, or whos to blame(and there are tons of people to blame)we simply would be flat broke if we didnt.The dollar was allready at its weakest value it had been in 80 years, and there wasnt a good avenue to explore to right the wrongs.

Posted by: mullett | October 9, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse



Posted by: fu_buki | October 6, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Eldora stated: "So what if Obama had dinner with Ayers onced a week which he did not.. That doesn't make Obama a terrorist or sympathetic to terrorist any more than John McCain's association with his father-in-law makes him sympathetic to organized crime.
Ayers is today a respected educator and a professor at the Universirity of Chicago who is active in trying to improve public education."

This post is amazing coming from someone who lives in America, works in our free enterprise system. Did you not witness the Soviet Union? Did you not notice Cuba? Have you not seen the repression in North Korea? All of these socialists along with Lybia and radical muslims support Obama either directly or indirectly.

If you are supporting Obama, then the "needs of the many" (a socialist premise) will include ACORN. The group that is committing massive vote fraud as you read this. The group that was in the original "bailout" as presented by Barney Frank (another crook) to the tune of a half billion dollars. The group that along with Obama, Frank and company were responsible for bastardizing the Fannie & Freddie loan standards. These thugs even went to bankers homes to force small community banks to join in the bad credit orgy.

The democrats make me sick when they try to pin this debacle on the republicans. Most of you are too stupid or too filled with hatred of Bush to see this. (Although, Bill Clinton did have the guts to acknowledge it just the other day.)

The constitution means nothing to these crooks. They will rewrite it and replace it with a "workers paradise" led by the "great leader" Obama. How will Ayers improve public education with socialist dogma?...are you on crack?

ACORN is a group of crooks and thugs and Obama is right in the middle of this activity.

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 6, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin toss the reverend Wright nonsense back into the fray at their own peril. Both McCain and Palin have "spiritual" leaders who's anti-U.S. stance make Wright look like an amateur. McCain/Palin are just about finished in this campaign, starting up with the Wright non-story again, will finish the job.


Posted by: Russell4America | October 6, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama knows a great deal about the financial mess. He is a central figure in the exploitation of financial institutions and pressuring them to make high risk loans. Obama is the second largest recipient of donations on the list at Fannie Mae. Obama has questionable ties to Fannie Mae Executives led by Clinton's former budget director Franklin Raines, recipient of a $1Million Fannie Mae bonus and Obama's campaign advisor Jim Johnson.
Obama Associates and His Campaign Advisor Jim Johnson Allegedly Cooked Fannie Books
Raines and Johnson took Clinton's risky gamble and then rolled the dice. The pair allegedly cooked the books at Fannie, issued countless dubious mortgages, and then took huge bonuses before leaving the company.
Democrats have long been knowledgeable and responsible as seen in an article of the September 30, 1999 edition of the New York Times:
"In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders."
"The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring. "
"Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits."
The high-risk subprime mortgage social engineering community service experiment by left-wing Democrats and Obama has created the largest financial crisis since The Great Depression. The full reach of the corruption and scandal may never be known but those who created it must not be rewarded. The architects, primarily left-wing Democrats, created laws, took donations, looked the other way and actively blocked Republican attempts to avoid the known problems.
Now these same Democrats want to do another high risk "community service," social engineering experiment. They want to elect a high-risk, low experience, socialist one of the same community organizers that created the mess to be our next president. We cannot experiment with the office of president and learn as we go. Barack Obama is not qualified and has no history of success as a leader in government or business.

So go over to the Daily KOS to rant your leftist crap. You won't find disagreement there.

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

OH REALLY?? You people in Chicago must all have brain tumors...

"Ayers is today a respected educator and a professor at the Universirity of Chicago who is active in trying to improve public education."

... this guy mocked the 9/11 tragedy by saying he wishes the terrorists had done more!!! Sick pigs.


Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If Guilt by association is the game:

Why not accuse McCain of sympathizing with organized crime based on his long relationship with his father-in-law, the late Jim Hensley, a twice convicted felon who got his start in the beer business through shady dealings with organized crime figures.

Why not accuse McCain of plotting illegal partisan dirty tricks based on his ties to Gordon Liddy who was convicted in Water Gate scandal and who admitted plotting to murder Howard Hunt among others. Liddy calls McCain his friend. McCain appeared recently on his radio show and said he admired his (Liddy's) principles. Liddy spent over four years in prison, but today has a radio show spewing poison the lunatic fringe of the far right.

Why not accuse Sarah McCain of wanting to succeed from the united states based on ties to the Alaskan Independence Party whose goal it is to succeed from the United States? Her husband was a member for two years, she attended their convention and less than a year ago lauded the group in TV address to their convention....certainly a closer relationship than Obama's to Ayers.

So what if Obama had dinner with Ayers onced a week which he did not.. That doesn't make Obama a terrorist or sympathetic to terrorist any more than John McCain's association with his father-in-law makes him sympathetic to organized crime.

Ayers is today a respected educator and a professor at the Universirity of Chicago who is active in trying to improve public education.

Jim Hensley who got his start in the beer business through some shady dealing and did spend time in prison on a felony charge became a respected philanthropist.

Gordon Liddy has not changed his tune and is still a dangerouls nut case spewing poison.

The Alaskan Independence Party is still going strong.

Posted by: eldora | October 6, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Important little facts about Social Security, what is was intended for, how it was to be paid into, and how it has changed Our Social Security

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program.
He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,
2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,
3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,
4.) That the money the participants put into the independent "Trust Fund" rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Sec urity Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.Since many of us have paid into FICA for year s and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to "put away"

You may be interested in the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent "Trust Fund" and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the "tie-breaking" deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it! Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away! And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve. Maybe not, some Democrats are awfully sure of what isn't so. But it's worth a try. How many people can YOU tell? Actions speak louder than bumper stickers.


A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Palin's Darfur Lie -- Alaskans Know Better:

Palin said:

"We have a $40 billion investment fund, a savings fund called the Alaska Permanent Fund. When I and others in the legislature found out that we had hundreds of millions of dollars in Sudan, we called for divestment so we wouldn't be doing anything that could be seen as condoning activity in Darfur. That legislation hasn't passed yet but it needs to because all of us as individuals and humanitarians and as elected officials should do all we can to end those atrocities in that side of the world."

On February 9, 2008, Governor Sarah Palin's appointed Deputy Commissioner, Treasury Division, Brian Andrews, spoke to the Alaska House State Affairs Committee on bipartisan HB 287, which would require the state to divest from Sudan. He agreed with Mike Burns who said divestment was 'not the right tool.' He stated, "The legislation is well-intended, and the desire to make a difference is noble, but mixing moral and political agendas at the expense of our citizens' financial security is not a good combination." He also said the bill "should be the Finance Committee" and said that the Department of Revenue was "working with the Department of Law... to actually take certain actions with regard to divestiture that would still be compliant with the state investment laws."

Many good people in Alaska serve a greater humanity; feeding and housing Sudanese refuges, raising awareness, testifying to the PFD board and legislature. Sarah Palin coat tailing on the hard work of these Alaskans is disingenuous at best. Her taking credit in front of 70 million viewers was indicative of her lust for the White House and revulsion of the truth. In the meantime, innocent people are being murdered, Alaska has not divested, and our hands are covered in blood.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 6, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse




Posted by: fu_buki | October 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Actor Jon Voight Was On Fox Last Night, He went nuts on Obama. Assuses him of all kinds of Crazy things. Watch his crazy rant at

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey fu_buki - You DO realize that as soon as people see a post (like yours) written in all capital letters, they just skip right over it and don't bother reading it? So no matter whether you have something good or important to say or not, you're just wasting your time because no one will read it.

Posted by: nofluer | October 6, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse







Posted by: fu_buki | October 6, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Seems the results are in, the most electable republican ticket would be Huckabee/Palin, not McCain/Palin this is according to a new poll at nearly 4 to 1 people would preffer Huckabee/Palin over McCain/Palin. Ha The RNC got it way wrong this time.

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gator-ron

This is a smear because it contains facts that do not warrant the conclusion you draw.

Ummmm Gator dude? You admit that there are facts (which if they ARE "facts" they are by definition correct and unassailable) Facts stand alone.

Whether those facts "warrant the conclusion {I} draw" is a matter of "opinion" - NOT a "smear". I, as a US Citizen, am entitled to opinions and also entitled to hold the same openly and publicly or in legalese, "notoriously." (Nice word, eh? It really fits in this case too! ;-D)

Buy a dictionary, dude.

Posted by: nofluer | October 6, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: VirginiaVoter08

nofluer, how can you, as a Vet, vote for Songbird? He has done more of a disservice to our Vets and POWs than Biden and Obama combined.

Now, see - here's where this whole series of posts by me gets funny. AT NO TIME have I said I supported McLame. I do not plan to vote for EITHER of the main party losers because they are both/all four grossly incompetent to even take a tour of the oval office, let alone actually SIT in it as elected executive branch officials.

The MAIN FOCUS of this election cannot be the Presidency because we're screwed no matter which way we hang our chads. The main focus of this election cycle MUST BE to throw out EVERY SINGLE SITTING CONGRESSPERSON and SENATOR!!! They served as Bush's Rubber Stamp Congress and both the Dems and the Reps allowed him and his entire administration to repeatedly violate the US Constitution and his oath of office.

Vote for McLame? Oh, HE11 no! ROTFLMBO!!!!

Posted by: nofluer | October 6, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

When I read Obama supporters write stuff like we could use a little socialism. Barack Obama is not a socialist and I would be against him if he were. I used to be an independent before the Republicans became so vitriolic and still am hoping that a John McCain defeat will lead to a reestablishment of a party that stands for conservative fiscal policy.I chose Obama because his health insurance plan solved people's problems without forcing them to do anything. We must get rid of preexisting conditions, it defeats the purpose of health insurance.

What we have to find is a balance between preserving the rights of business without promoting business's agenda. The health insurance companies are supposed to insure against risk which means taking on risk itself. What insurance companies have done has been to try to avoid that risk by cherry picking their insured. Their operational costs are 30% of their their premiums that is too high. Their business model does not work for people and we have to change that.

That is why Obama is the choice and none of this socialist nonsense.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 6, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

All these attacks on Obama are just to distract you from the real pressing issue that McCain is losing on, the economic crisis.

The breaking news on CNN tells the real story...

"Dow plummets more than 300 points, falling below 10,000 for the first time in nearly 4 years, as anxiety over global slowdown grows."

It is curious why all these old Obama attacks that date back months if not years are just coming up now. I suspect McCain/Palin want to make this race about anything but the economy.

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 6, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

ECONOMIST, Mar. 9, 1991--"Mr. McCain, despite his claims of innocense, was the only one of the five who benefited personally--family holidays in the Bahamas on Mr. Keating's tab."

NEW REPUBLIC, Dec. 31, 1990--"The only Republican of the bunch [the five Senators], Mr. Keating called him a wimp. But before the rupture, Mr. McCain and his family were regular guests of Mr. Keating's on trips to the Bahamas. Mr. McCain reimbursed the owner of Lincoln Savings and Loan for only a small fraction of the cost of these holidays. Yet, he never reported the vacations on Senate disclosure forms, or his income taxes. He said he thought his wife had paid Mr. Keating back. This is hard to believe."

NEW REPUBLIC, Sept. 9, 1991--Calling McCain part of the "Senatorial Lincoln Brigade," the NEW REPUBLIC reported that Keating, while bankrupting his Savings and Loan, had channeled $1.4 million to the campaigns or causes of the five Senators, who in turn pressured the Savings and Loan regulators to "back off our friend."Ultimately, the fall of Lincoln Savings and Loan will cost the U.S. taxpayers $2 billion. It lost $1 million dollars a day from the time Keating bought it in 1984 until its collapse in 1989, and yet he continued to pay off McCain as "one of his assets," REGARDIE'S magazine reported in its April-May 1992 issue.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 6, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate

By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
December 1992 Issue

In November of 1991, when Tracy Usry, the former chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Select Committee, he revealed that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. Sen. McCain became outraged interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets." However, this was simply not true and Sen. McCain knows that from firsthand experience.

Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war, he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.

Bui Tin, who indicated he favored a normalization of relations between the U.S. and Vietnam, also offered the committee his records concerning his personal interrogations of American POWs.


Sen. McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he moved forward to the witness table and warmly embraced Bui Tin as if he was a long, lost brother.

"Was that hug for Bui Tin, a Vietnamese official responsible for the torture of some American prisoners of war, a message 'please don't give them my records?'" one activist questioned at the time.

In any case, many of McCain's fellow Vietnam War POWs were aghast, not to mention former POWs of World War II and Korea, who could, only in some instances after decades, forgive but never forget the inhumanity of their captors--certainly not to the point of embracing them.

Shortly thereafter, as a direct result of Sen. McCain's lobbying of other Republican Senators, Usry, a distinguished Vietnam veteran, and all other members of the Minority Staff, who had participated in the POW/MIA investigations, were abruptly fired.

If the Senate Select Committee finds it pertinent to investigate alleged instances of "fraud" by POW/MIA activists, then certainly, by even the most liberal standards, the charge of collaboration with the enemy by a "high-ranking naval" officer should be investigated just as seriously as were the charges against Marine Private Robert Garwood, the only American POW charged and convicted of this crime.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 6, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: nofluer | October 6, 2008 11:33 AM |

This is a smear because it contains facts that do not warrant the conclusion you draw.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 6, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

thecannula, Obama has found a way to link the Keating 5 to the current financial crisis - he can stay on message regarding the economy while also questioning McCain's judgment. Remember, the Senate Ethics Committee rebuked McCain for exercising "poor judgment."

Posted by: VirginiaVoter08 | October 6, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

John McCain is the Manchurian candidate.

Why was he hugging his North Vietnamese interrogator Colonel Bui Tin at the Senate hearings. Guilt by association?

U.S. Veteran Dispatch
December 1992 Issue

Those following the proceedings during the past year of the Senate Select Committee on POW and MIA Affairs have been mystified by the rabid actions of the one man on the committee who should be grateful that for the nearly three decades there have been activists in America who have refused to let die the issue of the fate of Americans lost and missing in Southeast Asia from the Vietnam War.

I am speaking of course of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). None of the Senators on the Select Committee have been as vicious in their attacks on POW/MIA family members and activists than the man behind the mask of war hero, former POW, and patriotic United States Senator . . .

Not even Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), who went into his job as chairman of the Select Committee with a predisposition that no one was left alive in Southeast Asia, that it was therefore "time to put the war behind us" and normalize relations with Hanoi, has shown such a bias against those who have fought and kept alive the POW/MIA cause.

Not even Sen. Kerry, with his own record as an anti-war protester during the early 1970s after serving in Vietnam--has turned a totally deaf ear to the numerous individuals and groups who are, correctly or not, convinced that Americans were and are alive in captivity in Southeast Asia.

What, therefore, motivates a John McCain to attack as a pit bull everyone and anyone who has the opinion that men are still alive in the very same captivity that he himself once experienced? Mr. McCain disguises his attacks on the POW/MIA by claiming he is on the committee to ask "the tough questions" to grill and berate in order to get to the truth. What motivates the man, who at the same time has shown a sensitive, almost patronizing approach to U.S. government officials who have lied to the committee? . . .

Borrowing from the title of a popular movie of some years ago, many activists who have felt the fangs of this pit bull call him the "Manchurian Candidate." Is that a fair accusation to level at Senator McCain, the war hero and the former POW?

In the movie, "The Manchurian Candidate," actor Lawrence Harvey portrayed the character of a former POW and war hero of the Korean War, whose brainwashing by his communist captors resulted in his enemies being able to manipulate his actions. To trigger him to do their bidding all they had to do was have him play solitaire with the Queen of Diamonds being the trigger that made him theirs, body and soul . .

Viet-Nam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 6, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama can say anything at this point and be credible. He can attack all of John McCain's weaknesses with impunity because McCain has shown he's incoherent on the economy.

McCain has very little credibility after being so incompetent so as to not anticipate and prepare for this economic meltdown. Even if you're totally clueless about economics as a national politician it's hard to miss the signals. For example, the FDIC, very early this year, even staffed up for all the bank failures that were coming, and they would have had to have a budget allocated for that. McCain has economic policy advisors and a national campaign, and so it's even harder to see how he could have been so unprepared and incompetent to start spewing incoherent postures when the credit freeze set in.

The fact is that there are weaknesses in McCain's platform, including his health care plans. Now, to pile onto the general incompetence McCain has shown, all Obama has to do is keep pointing at this and that weakness to keep alive the image of McCain as the clueless economic incompetent (that he apparently is).

Those of us who were Clinton experience-and-qualifications-are-important voters hated Obama because in part what we anticipated were problems that the next executive has to deal with. The experience argument essentially boils down to this: it's going to be a tough job and we need the best professional politician in there, not some pie-in-the-sky idealist who is going to try to create some fairy tale changes.

By demonstrating his actual incompetence in economics -- not only in incoherent statements and actions during an economic crisis but in failing to even anticipate and prepare for what has been shaping up all year -- McCain has just rebutted the experience argument. If someone demonstrates actual incompetence in a subject area, then experience becomes irrelevant.

John McCain has nothing to offer that Obama doesn't -- except that in being a young, still developing leader, Obama can become a competent economic policy leader whereas McCain will obviously not be capable of that.

John McCain has lost the election, as far as former Clinton supporters who were focused on experience and qualifications, like myself. Even his character attacks are pointless because if the Clinton holdouts and other pragmatic centrists were that into character and personality, we wouldn't have been willing to cross over to vote for the pragmatic Republican over the hot-air, idealistic Democrat.

All Obama has to do to get us to vote for him now is to continue to highlight over the next few weeks that there are real reasons (other than economics) for not liking McCain.

The only thing McCain can do to stop or reverse his slide is to correct his lack of substance and incompetence in economics and domestic public policy. It's possible he can dramatically rehabilitate himself during the debate in terms of economics and and non-military policy. But given his track record and his campaign's ongoing incoherence on the subjects, it's doubtful he will do that.

After Clinton dropped out, this election contest became a race between two idiots. Now, it's looking as if Obama is just an inexperienced, but learning, idiot on economic and domestic public policy issues whereas McCain is looking like a chronic idiot in those subject areas. It's easier to vote for the young idiot who can develop competence than the old one who demonstrates he cannot.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 6, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

nofluer, how can you, as a Vet, vote for Songbird? He has done more of a disservice to our Vets and POWs than Biden and Obama combined.

Posted by: VirginiaVoter08 | October 6, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama’s circulating Keating 5 videos this morning- What a hypocritical move! So THAT means he also would “…rather try to tear (a) campaign down than lift this country up. That’s what you do when you’re out of touch, out of ideas and running out of time.” PATHETIC. Get down from the mount Obama: you can’t preach against what you’re doing yourself!

Posted by: thecannula | October 6, 2008 9:54 AM

Coming from you it means that you think it will be effective in combating the McCain smear campaign. You can hit back in self defense and still complain so maybe McCain will stop his assault and go back to the issues. Oh Wait McCain has lost on the issues so maybe he he can slither to victory by venomous attacks.

Whining is so unappealing I may add.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 6, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DHinGA
Posted by: wes1155

Neither of you know me, yet you call me racist, based on your inability to read and comprehend what I wrote. I'm not the racist here - it's Joe Biden the Traitor.

Google the words "Biden" and "Racist". You'll get a return of over 900,000 hits. My comment about the "slanty eyed" folks not being real people is the attitude that he'd have to have had in order to make the included quoted comment -

"We didn't cut off funding until 1975, after all combat troops were out,"

The implication of that statement being that the ARVNs aren't combat troops. Or did you miss that because you're obviously a Democrap cool aid drinker and you only see what you want to see?

You know - I was there - Vietnam - two trips. I lost friends there. How about you? Where did YOU serve your military time? Peace Corps? VISTA? Do you have ANY service to the nation?

Yes indeed - FORD was the president at the time and HE was even more of a traitor to the nation than Biden and the DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED CONGRESS!!! Ford was the A-hole who pardoned Nixon and undermined the American People's trust and belief in the Constitution and the Justice system. Ford is dead now - and the nation is well rid of him - but wait - we're NOT rid of the B*****d because they're naming an Aircraft Carrier and class after him. I'm glad my kids will be out of the service by the time it is launched so they don't have the dishonor of serving on it.

So... have you figured out yet that Obama didn't stay in that racist church and listen to the racist hate crap being spewed by that racist preacher for 20 years because someone twisted his arm?

Has your party figured out that birds of a feather flock together - and the Dems are running TWO racists, one for President and one for V-President?

Nah. Probably not. Your party probably isn't that smart.

As to the South Vietnamese government being crooked - those crooks successfully fought off the NVA for two years without our help except for the money we PROMISED to send - so they couldn't have been TOO crooked. And No - the NVA did NOT "live there" - they lived in the NORTH before Biden & etc handed the country of S Vietnam to them - and they moved south killing millions as they went and then took part in the "Killing Fields."

Biden has a LOT of blood on his hands. and THAt is the kind of "foreign Policy Experience" that Obama choose to help him.

Posted by: nofluer | October 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"Head of State"

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 6, 2008 9:52 AM

You should join a writing group and run your stuff by them. Then you'd realize how incredibly lame your stuff is and not post it publicly like this.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 6, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Still no substantive discussion in the media on McCain's plans for massive cuts in Medicare and Medicaid.

Kudos to the Wall Street Journal for issues-based investigative reporting, and on uncovering the McCain plan.

Meanwhile, the Washington Post and the New York Times chase Sarah Palin, and give her wall-to-wall coverage, although she refuses to sit for an interview.

Incredible. What is more important to millions of Americans? Sarah Palin's nutty opinions on Barack Obama, or massive McCain cuts in Medicaid and Medicare?

Posted by: kay5 | October 6, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Last month, 159,000 Americans jobs were lost. It's no surprise that the top priority for a majority of voters is the economy.

But the McCain campaign doesn't share those concerns, admitting yesterday that "There's no question we want to change the subject here," and that they're "looking forward to turning the page on the financial crisis."

McCain has laid his cards on the table. And to everyone tired of the politics of past, this latest announcement is as disheartening as it is disturbing.

Posted by: JHigginss | October 6, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Message to nofluer -- man, you are a real racist. Those "little slanty-eyed folks"...are you nuts? It's such a shame that people like you are still walking the planet. Your brand should have died off about 6,000 years ago when the dinasours went bye-bye -- according to your VP candidate who is about as intelligent as a box of bricks, and you too. The NVA was still there after we left because that's where they live. Hello? It's racist morons like you who have made the United States an embarassment to the world. Please watch reruns on the Military Channel until after the election. Thank you!

Posted by: DHinGA | October 6, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse


Your revisionist history is laughable. You seem to forget we had a republican president at the time and the "peace" accord was negotiated by Henry Kissinger, you know, McCain's 35 year good friend. The only US troops in Viet Nam at the time where those at the embassy. As for cutting off money to the South Vietnamese, South Viet Nam's government was so corrupt and the money being used to enrich the puppet president and his cronies, not to defend the country.

Viet Nam was America's shame. Ho Chi Minh pleaded with Truman to support Vietnamese independence from the French after WWII, but Truman turned a deaf ear. It was yet another example of how history will come back to bite you just as it did in Afghanistan. Truman wouldn't have anything to do with Ho Chi Minh since he was one of those g-ddanmed communists. So look what happened, we wouldn't do what was morally right and instead supported colonial occupation and later puppet dictators. For our moral lapse 58,000 soldiers gave their lives along with the tens of thousands physically and mentally wounded.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 6, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Obama choose Biden for his "foreign Policy experience. Let's look at some of that "experience."

Joe Biden was elected to the Senate in 1972. In 1975, the US Congress voted to cut off funding for Vietnam in violation of our commitment in the Paris Peace Accords, and while the USSR was pouring a $billion a year into the North. Biden abandoned the South Vietnamese people, and spit on the sacrifices of the millions of US Troops who fought there, and the more than 58,000 who died there.

"Everybody talks about how we cut off funding for the Vietnam War. Guess what? I was here. We didn't cut off funding until 1975, after all combat troops were out," {Biden said.}

All the AMERICAN combat troops were out. But the Vietnamese troops were still there and holding their own against the NVA. But you can't fight tanks and troops with desire. You need bullets and gasoline - and those things cost money... the money that Joe Biden decided in his wisdom to cut off.

I guess those little slanty-eyed folks just aren't as important as REAL people. I guess their desire for freedom isn't worth a few American dollars. So... how much money will it take for Joe Biden to decide American freedom isn't worth the cost?

There is NO way on God's Green Earth I can vote for this traitorous sob!

Posted by: nofluer | October 6, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

The Obama ads on healthcare and McCain's membership in the Keating 5 are totally relevant because they both illustrate the bankrupt conservative philosophy of deregulation and "free enterprise". Free is not fair with conservatives. McCain's newest healthcare target is employer-paid coverage, now that he can't privatize Medicare. I've been in the insurance business for 40 years, and believe me when I say insurance companies don't give a darn for their customers. They only care about their shareholders. Some vapid braindead McCain-o-bot was on the news Friday saying how bureaucrats will make the healthcare decisions. Not true, at least with government-run Medicare. Doctors make the decisions based on over 700 diagnostic related groups. It's the private Medigap and Medicare Advantage "bureaucrats" who, in fact, make far more decisions, and they are called "clerks". Minimum wage employees of insurance companies who get to say, "No, it's not covered". When the neocons introduced Medicare Advantage in the dead of night, it was to privatize Medicare. MA company overhead is 20% compared to Medicare's 3%. Praytell, how are we are going to save money by paying private companies 17% more than the government does the same thing for? I guess we'll make up the savings in volume??? This is the mentality we've had to live with for years. It's time this thoroughly discredited conservative philosophy of privatization and deregulation is relegated to the dustbin of history along with philosophies like fascism and communism. The Republicans will try to scare us by ranting "socialism", but after the job they've done with S&L's, investment banks, Medicare Advantage, and Wall Street -- I'll take a little dose of socialism right now...and welcome every bit of it. People, wake up! The conservative trickle-down philosophy doesn't work. How many of us are better off than we were 8 years ago? Too darn few!

Posted by: DHinGA | October 6, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that John McCain plans massive cuts in Medicare and Medicaid.

I think we now know why conservatives trotted Sarah Plain out to distract the masses.

We don't have a stupid citizenry. We have a stupid media.

Posted by: kay5 | October 6, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Obama’s missing the point of character campaigning. He’s a first term Senator who’s major achievement is getting big poll numbers. One ethics law and a white paper on loose nukes is not enough to go on. He’s been campaigning for more than half of his term in the Senate, saying “trust me”. Well, excuse me but the people of Missouri aren’t the only ones who deserve a closer examination of WHO you are Senator Obama. After one, we’ll decide IF we trust you to run our great country in a time of real crisis.

Obama’s circulating Keating 5 videos this morning- What a hypocritical move! So THAT means he also would “…rather try to tear (a) campaign down than lift this country up. That’s what you do when you’re out of touch, out of ideas and running out of time.” PATHETIC. Get down from the mount Obama: you can’t preach against what you’re doing yourself!

Posted by: thecannula | October 6, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse


Why don't you save some of your disingenuous indignation for McCain. Here is a man who swore he would run an "honorable" campaign. I guess if you consider the Bush 2000 campaign honorable in which McCain himself was the target of smears you won't have a problem with McCain's 2008 campaign.

McCain is a shameful, deceitful liar plan and simple. McCain first, country last. When you have no solutions, you can only try to smear to win.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 6, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Head of State

The Impulsively Unreflective Duo In..."McCain Goes Negative!"

In our last episode, we saw the indomitable, impulsive duo suspend the campaign to take on the Crisis on Wall Street! Now, watch, as, in our next episode...McCain Goes Negative!

McCain paces the floor in the Fortress of Irritability. He is cracking walnuts.

A walnut slips to the floor.

McCain: Damn nutcracker!

Sarah Palin is sitting in a chair at a desk. She is writing on a piece of paper: "J.M + S.P." This is then crossed out and replaced by "S.P. + J.M.". These alternating versions , the one before it always crossed out, continues down the page.

McCain: Well, the first plan didn't work. We tried to put them in a trance with the folksy ray, but they had their deflectors halfway raised. If only you hadn't called the commander in Afghanistan "McClellan"

Palin: But...didn't you say they were fighting a civil war, Sir?

McCain looks at Palin silently. He is smiling but he is holding back anger.

McCain: I think the time has come. We have to call in...Dr. Negative.

He pushes a large black button, which is the only button, on a red phone on his desk.

Dr. Negative immediately bursts through the door. He is carrying flyers, masking tape; telephone wires are wrapped around his arms hanging in every way; a tattered copy of the book "Accusations of Fascism, Communism, Terrorism, Drug Use, Pedophilia, Islamism, Adultery, Pandeism, Cannibalism, Cubism, Miscegenation, and Spousal Abuse...for Dummies!" is rolled and stuffed in his left pocket, filled with bookmarks; he is dragging a Robocaller behind him, leashed to a chain.

Dr. Negative (quickly, eagerly): Did you hear? Obama was born in Bin Laden's subterranean bomb making factory, outside of U.S. lines. He was born on a pile of cocaine and dynamite--and the midwife was a Trotskyite!

McCain: Not yet, Dr. Negative. I want you to meet Sarah.

Sarah: Oh, we've already met.

Dr. Negative: That trooper went down! He poisoned the salmon milk at the Wasilla Bible school! With drugs made at a Leftist Satan worshiping collective! That you could see from Russia!

Sarah: You betcha'!

Sarah and Dr. Negative give each other a high five. Dr. Negative's telephone wires rattle on his arm as he does so, triggering the Robocaller, which starts playing "...illegitimate babies made in test tube factories in North Korea and sent to Chicago by Bill Ayers..."

Dr. Negative shuts off the Robocaller with an embarassed smile.

Dr. Negative: Just practicing.

There is a pause.

McCain: That's fine, Dr. Negative. That's fine. Because, now, I have a special job for you. An important one.

Dr. Negative leaps into the air with excited glee. As he does, detritus falls to the floor--buttons reading "Election Day: Remember, the 3rd Tuesday in November!", business cards, reading "Push Polls Anonymous--We Call, They Fall", "Mongers On Call-No Rumor Too Far fetched"; Bandaids with purple hearts; mangled and dirty chads.

Dr. Negative: A new job! A special job! Oh, Mr. McCain! I'm ready! I'm ready!

Sarah watches from her chair, filing her nails.

McCain: Now, Dr. Negative. You have to make him seem radical...

Dr. Negative quickly pulls a can out of his right pocket, emblazoned with the word "Radical" He opens the top. Red and Black snakes fly out.

Dr. Negative: (eagerly, expectantly, hungrily) Yes...Yes...

McCain: You'll have to start rumors that are so inflammatory that they will spread like wildfire, and that will be started too late to stop them with the actual truth...

Dr. Negative pulls a gigantic grinder out of his left pocket. It is labeled "Rumor Mill". He turns the crank a few times. Hamsters, syringes, and Peace symbols fly out.

Dr. Negative: Yes...Yes...

He is salivating.

McCain: They will have to be so incredible, so over-the-top, based on such tawdry and poorly sourced evidence, yet riddled with tempting minutia--bullet gauges, Google maps of supposed meetings and the like, that the right will eat them up, and start analyzing the minutia with adolescent glee.

Dr. Negative (Very calmly, matter of fact): Oh, that's easy. They'll eat anything.

Dr. Negative reaches into his back pocket, pulls out a manila envelope labeled "Minutia: So-called "Proof" for the Right". He empties it to the floor. Bullet gauge measures, outdated copies of Photoshop, paperbacks entitled "How to Use the Insane as Competent Witnesses", "The Faked Moon Landings! Roswell! And Other Believable Phenomena!" and "You TOO Can Be A Warrior--From Your Own Couch!" fall to the floor.

Sarah plucks out the "Faked Moon Landings" book. She starts reading.

McCain: We know how our girl loves to read.

Sarah stops, and begins fixing her hair in a hand mirror.

Now, Dr. Negative, there is one final task.

Dr. Negative: Yes, Mr. McCain?

McCain: It is very difficult. Very...dark.

Dr. Negative: (Leaning forward expectantly, his voice quivering with excitement): Yes, Mr. McCain, Yes?

McCain: You will have to play the card that they played against me. Do you understand?

The room becomes silent. Sarah stops looking at herself, and looks towards the center of the room where McCain and Dr. Negative are staring at each other.

Dr. Negative: You mean...(eyes widened with disbelief. His telephone wires are quietly shaking as he shivers).

McCain (nodding): Yes.

Dr. Negative slowly removes from his jacket pocket what seems to be an ordinary pack of playing cards. They are labeled "Joker" brand. He takes a penknife from his pocket, and slowly slices the covering cellophane. There is a slight and distant roar. He looks at McCain.

McCain nods.

Dr. Negative then slowly removes the red ribbon encircling the cellophane at the top of the pack. He inserts the penknife--holding it from it very farthest end--and flips open the top of the pack.

Smoke begins to pour from the top of the pack, thick, acrid smoke. It quickly fills the room, covering all that is in sight.

McCain (shouting amidst the sound of smoke rushing into the room): And remember--no fingerprints!

Next episode: The smoke is cleared.

Head of State

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 6, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

From Today's Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

"Obama dismissed inquiries about his relationship with Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground, by saying that he was just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood."

In fact, Obama served from 1995 to 1999 as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), the brainchild of Ayers, an organization that funneled some $100 million into the hands of community organizers and activists, including ACORN, in order to radicalize Chicago's public schools.

Between 1969 and 1974, the Weather Underground claimed responsibility for some 20 bombings in the United States -- at police stations, banks, jails, courthouses, the Capitol and the Pentagon. Ayers became a fugitive in 1970, reports Andy McCarthy at the National Review, after three of his cohorts were "accidentally killed when the explosive they were building to Ayers' specifications -- Ayers was a bomb designer -- went off during construction."

The explosive, a nail bomb, "had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey," reports McCarthy. "Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, 'tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too.'"

Ayers, describing the Weather Underground as "an American Red Army," motivated by "hope," succinctly summed up the organization's mission: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments."

"I don't regret setting bombs," Ayers told The New York Times in September 2001. "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers, in charge of shaping CAC's education philosophy, describes himself as "a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist." Rather than focusing on anything as mundane as math or reading, the job of teachers, said Ayers, is to "teach against oppression."

Ayers "downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism," writes Stanley Kurtz, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

"Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression," reports Kurtz. "He believes teacher education programs should serve as 'sites of resistance' to an oppressive system."

The question: Why do Obama's deeds contradict his words? Is anyone in the mainstream media curious?"

Ralph R. Reiland is an associate professor of economics at Robert Morris University

Posted by: thecannula | October 6, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The reason many people are not comfortable with Senator Obama is we know so little about him.
Whenever a question arises about his past associates he has a standard answer, which is "this is not the (fill in the blank) that I know".
He has used this statement regarding Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Tony Rezko, Father Michael Pfleger and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. He has also failed to explain his relationship with the disgraced prior leaders of Fannie Mae, James Johnson and Franklin Raines.
Until he gives thorough explanations for these associations questions will continue to arise!

Posted by: mwhoke | October 6, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Why don't the Democrats and Obama campaign run ads using YOUTUBE video footage of McCain saying he would run an honorable campaign?! Nothing like a person's own words to show that they are a hypocrite!

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 6, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Obama’s missing the point of character campaigning. He’s a first term Senator who’s major achievement is getting big poll numbers. One ethics law and a white paper on loose nukes is not enough to go on. He’s been campaigning for more than half of his term in the Senate, saying “trust me”. Well, excuse me but the people of Missouri aren’t the only ones who deserve a closer examination of WHO you are Senator Obama. After one, we’ll decide IF we trust you to run our great country in a time of real crisis.

Obama’s circulating Keating 5 videos this morning- What a hypocritical move! So THAT means he also would “…rather try to tear (a) campaign down than lift this country up. That’s what you do when you’re out of touch, out of ideas and running out of time.” PATHETIC. Get down from the mount Obama: you can’t preach against what you’re doing yourself!

Posted by: thecannula | October 6, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin CANNOT talk about the serious issues - health care, the economy, regulation and transparency for Washington. Instead we will be bombarded with scandalous and lying attacks on the person of Obama. Ahhh, how I look forward to November 4th. One way or another America will be a changed coutry - we will either learn the lessons of the past 8 years and vote for strong, wise leadership with Obama/Biden, or we may vote for the continuing saga of the Fall of the American Empire with McCain/Biden and their Bush policies.

The choice is our collective responsibility - the future of our great nation is in our hands - do we change and let restoration begin or continue this downward spiral already begun!

Posted by: dopera2004 | October 6, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

AlexP1 above, I couldn't agree with you more. She also memorized McCain's Talking Points and was able to regurgitate them like a fast-fired Gatling Gun which says she still is the very same person she was when interviewed by the press. She did NOT gain any "real" knowledge or intellect, but rather she was able to recite talking points which any elementary grade school child can do. So for anyone to think she has "changed" they must be foolish. She is still the IGNORANT AND UNQUALIFIED female who is trying to get by on "looks" rather than a "thinking mind". Sorry, that just will not do for this election! Neither she nor McCain have an "original thought or idea" to help our country!

Let her please go back to Alaska [if they will still have her] and leave the 'old dottering fool' still questioning why he was once again unable to secure tbe election as POTUS. Maybe he will come to the realization that when he lost any "honor" he may have had previously, he lost any "hopoe" of winning!

Posted by: ObamasLady | October 6, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I'd say McCain has had enough policy for one campaign. But will he really go with Palin's desperate plea and allow Wright to be tossed back into the mix?

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 6, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

...So, 40 year old history is now news....The Vietnam War as a travesty in this nation back then, so when the RNC/GOP lie machine are unable to talk about the real problems that need to be discussed, economy, health care, war, unemployment, aids, they come up with this crapola....

peeeuuu Palin should keep her idiotic and repetitive mouth shut...with her Caribou Barbie pull string in her back....

What about news from just 2 weeks ago....

Katie: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part as your foreign policy experience, what do you mean by that?

Sarah: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side... the land... uhh boundary... that we have with uhhh Canada. It it it's fff-funny that a comment like that was uh kind of made to...... uhh... character.......uhh......I don't know.......reporters...

Katie: Mocked?

Sarah: Yeah, mocked. I guess that's the word. Yeah. umm....

Katie: Well, explain to why that enhances your foreign policy credentials?

Sarah: Well, it certainly does. Because our......our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They are in the state that I am the executive of.

Katie: Have you ever been in an negotiations for example with the Russians

Sarah: We have trade missions back and forth we... we... It's very important when you even consider nation security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and and uh comes into the a a a air space of the United States of America wh wh where do they go? It's Alaska, it's just right over the border. It it is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that.... an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there they are right next to umm our state.

....What about the Keating five in 1988 20-year-old story when McCaint was 52...

The story may be old, but it's recently become surprisingly relevant to current events -- we are, after all, talking about a scandal involving major bank failures, financial fraud and greed, and political ineptitude.

There is history repeating itself 20 years later....

McCaint is running with a message about his ability to "reform" both DC and Wall Street record.

I agree with Jack Cafferty at CNN and his take on that CBS Interview...

Watch that report @

McCaint is no hero...but peeeuuu Palin is a hero sandwich...full of old baloney

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 6, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

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