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Biden Takes on 'Angry Man' McCain

By Perry Bacon Jr.
Democratic vice-presidential nominee Sen. Joe Biden sharply attacked the recent moves of Sen. John McCain's campaign in a speech today, casting the Arizona senator as "an angry man, lurching from one position to another."

Biden, after taking two days off the campaign trail following the death of his mother-in-law, opened a campaign swing through Florida by attacking McCain for recent remarks from Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and other allies linking Obama to 1960s radical William Ayers. He called Palin's remarks "simply wrong" for a vice-presidential candidate, his first direct criticism of his counterpart on the GOP ticket.

"You know, the idea here that somehow these guys are once again injecting fear and loathing into this campaign is ... I think it's mildly dangerous," Biden said. "Here you have out there these kinds of, you know, incitements out there -- guy introducing Barack using his middle name as if it's some epitaph or something," Biden told a crowd more than a thousand at a rally in Tampa, apparently meaning to use the word "epithet."

"They have chosen ... to appeal to fear with a veiled question: 'Who is the real Barack Obama?'" Biden said.

Palin, speaking with reporters last night, defended her focus on Ayers, saying it raised questions about Obama's honesty.

"In terms of judgment and in terms of being able to answer questions forthrightly, it has two different parts to this," Palin said, "that judgment and that truthfulness and just being able to answer very candidly a simple question about when did you know him, how did you know him, has been there been an association continued since '02 or '05. We've heard a couple of different stories. I think it's relevant."

Biden took some more mocking jabs at his rivals, too, saying, "Last week, I had a debate -- at least I think it was a debate -- with Gov. Palin."

The audience laughed at his reference to Palin's occasional avoidance of questions.

He later turned to McCain.

"You can't call yourself a maverick when all you've ever been is a sidekick," Biden said, referring to McCain's support of some President Bush initiatives.

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McCain/Palin: Angry Mob First

Posted by: jelow | October 10, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

John McCain and Sarah Palin are playing on the idiotic fears of whites. What's amazing to me is that no one knew anything about Sarah Palin before this election and no one is talking to the people of her home state about her. What they are doing will tear this country apart and cause irreparable damage to race relations in this country.

Check out this link http://tri-statedefenderonline.com/articlelive/articles/3212/1/African-Americans-in-Alaska-say-Palin-failed-to-reach-out-blocked-access-to-government-jobs/Page1.html

Posted by: jlb2802 | October 10, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Personally, after the last eight years of catastrophic misgovernment, I'd rather vote for a hamster than for a Republican.

That being said, one of the great tragedies of the present hour is the willingness of so many on both sides to believe lies, as long as they tell us something we want to hear. The one that has my attention at the moment is the pathetic delusion beloved of Republicans that the media is systematically favoring the Democratic ticket, and that if McCain and Palin go down in flames it will be because the press is so biased in Obama's favor. You can't actually discuss the issue with those who believe this nonsense because, three sentences into the conversation, they are screaming at you. Most Republicans think fair press coverage is the ridiculous propaganda we see on FOX News, anything less slanted in their favor is an attempt to screw them.

Not that the other side doesn't indulge in the same self-serving fantasies! Yesterday I had a conversation with an Obama campaign worker that reminded me of talking to a cult member about their beloved guru. Listening to that person I came away with the impression that Obama has a halo and wings, and only his great personal modesty keeps him from revealing their existence to the public. And she couldn't say enough bad things about McCain and Palin... and some of them were actually true!

Just for once I'd like to see a crisis being out the best in us instead of the worst...


Posted by: Pheidole | October 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

r4147824: evangelacrites- that's nice, I might borrow it.

Posted by: newageblues | October 9, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

This is total B.S.!!!! Hugh Hefner can ask Palin (a woman running to be our VP) to pose naked for his magazine and the mainstream press doesn't care one little bit. A Democratic strategist can then call her the "fluffy bunny" and NO ONE cares! But McCain says "that one" and (rightfully!) questions Obama (a person wanting to be OUR president) and his associations and everyone is sure he's running a racist campaign. They did this with Hillary and now they're pulling the same crap with McCain. Asking Obama anything about his character EQUALS racism!!!! Do whatever you want to ANY woman running on a presidential ticket, that's NEVER sexist!!!! You know what....just crown your guy the winner already and leave us alone. I'm sick of this biased B.S. that's turned me (a lifelong gay Democrat) into a guy actually considering the Republicans this year!

Posted by: gaypastor | October 9, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Tantillo, who has a marketing blog , did a post a while back on the Obama/Biden brands and the McCain/Palin brands.

He argued that McCain's choice of VP now makes him, rather than Obama, the candidate of Change:

"Brands are combined for two reasons:
1) To complement one another;
and/or
2) Because they are consistent with one another.
The best brand combinations are when both 1 and 2 are happening.

Seems to me like their common brand is being 'maverick' in a vague way for uncertain reasons and being largely out of touch. But hey, I suppose at least they're a good match!

Tantillo's full post

Posted by: elo8 | October 9, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

John McCain - flying by the seat of his pants - watching his campaign crash and burn.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 9, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Robin, you mean names like "McInsane", "McMinni-W" and "McSame"?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Mean-spirited children use people's names to attack them. Is that what we've become -- a nation of mean-spirited children? Is that the vision McCain and Palin offer? No thanks. I prefer to be proud of my country, proud to be an American. For me that includes repudiating Palin's and McCain's attempts to seduce our nation into an orgy of viciousness. I'm voting for Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: CommentByRobin | October 9, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

BTW: Luke2, McCain does not "own" any houses. Do you have a link for Obama's IQ test? I checked on-line and only found this:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.asp

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me?! Complaints about "guilt by association" from people named "McMinni" and "McSame". And as for Hugh Hefner, he deserves just as much "news" coverage as "gaypastor" does.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Obama does not hate America.

He hates what we have allowed America to become.

A bullying, disingenuous and fearful nation bordering on a class war.

Wake up America!

Posted by: urbanite | October 9, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

New Names says it all.
McMinni-W & Palin-lies pretty much sums up the Republican Candidates running for the highest offices in the land.

Posted by: cosmosmt | October 9, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

to gaypastor: you'll like mccain and the republicans. they've been giving it to us up the wazoo for 8 years now.

Posted by: seemstome | October 9, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

This is total B.S.!!!! Hugh Hefner can ask Palin (a woman running to be our VP) to pose naked for his magazine and the mainstream press doesn't care one little bit. A Democratic strategist can then call her the "fluffy bunny" and NO ONE cares! But McCain says "that one" and (rightfully!) questions Obama (a person wanting to be OUR president) and his associations and everyone is sure he's running a racist campaign. They did this with Hillary and now they're pulling the same crap with McCain. Asking Obama anything about his character EQUALS racism!!!! Do whatever you want to ANY woman running on a presidential ticket, that's NEVER sexist!!!! You know what....just crown your guy the winner already and leave us alone. I'm sick of this biased B.S. that's turned me (a lifelong gay Democrat) into a guy actually considering the Reps. this year!

Posted by: gaypastor | October 9, 2008 4:43 AM | Report abuse

John McCain is Napoleon.

Posted by: zer0lin | October 9, 2008 4:36 AM | Report abuse

The darkest hour of MCBush failed policy is just before the dawn. No matter how bleak the circumstances, how incredible the odds of Obama is being elected, hope always remains. When it looks like you have been abandoned and forsaken in this bad economy time, there will be a light shining through. Cling to it, lift yourself up,and overcome. You know that MCcain/Palin dirty politics and turmoil market are only temporary things in this world. The power of evil MCCain will retreat from the burning rays of truth and righteousness. America will never surrender to enemy and rise to prosperity by Obama leadership and his right judgment and bipartisanship policy.

Posted by: ksarabi | October 9, 2008 4:03 AM | Report abuse

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

Pop quiz!
Who said that?
Give up? Read on......

Sarah Palin palling around with secessionists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler, the founder of the Alaskan Independence Party, said in a 1991 interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

Palin has courted the group over the years.

She has repeatedly reached out to the group. The McCain campaign has confirmed she visited the group's 2000 convention.

She has addressed its convention this year, as an incumbent governor whose oath of office includes upholding the Constitution of the United States.

Palin's husband, Todd Palin, was a member of the party from 1995-2002 with a brief exception in 2000.

Why is that not making ANY news?!
That lady has nerve talking about Ayers.....

Seriously, where is the headline news on this AIP stuff? Talk about guilt by association!
That Vogler guy takes the cake for any "anti-American" sentiments.
And Sarah wasn't six years old when she spoke, what, like three times at their conventions?!

Posted by: franglais | October 9, 2008 3:51 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS WHAT THE AMERICAN CITIZENS GET FOR NOT VOTING FOR AL GORE 8 YEARS AGO.

Posted by: DESERTGYPSY | October 9, 2008 3:22 AM | Report abuse

""Because of people like John McCain, Obama is alive today to enjoy the freedom to attack with deceptions and emotions, and de-fame and criticize things he doesn't understand.""

Au contraire: thou dost protest too much... in other words, it is your negativity, fear and hatred that colors YOUR perceptions.

Indeed it seems to be Mccain who is sowing the seeds of defamation and criticism. Indeed of things Mccain knows to be distortions of the truth because he has deservedly slipped in the polls.
I mean come on; all Mccain had to do was run a good campaign for cripes sake; Obama is black; and has a foreign name!

Mccain a privileged brat, spat out his silver spoon and crashed his planes and his relationships in his disfunctional self destructive behaviors.
Nothing changed much after being drummed out of the service and into power brokering in the senate. This way and that, calling himself a maverick to explain erratic behaviors.

He did leave his handicapped wife when she needed him most, to chase that young rich blond cheerleader from usc. Word is they shacked up for 9 months before he got divorced and remarried.
If you knew the irresponsible ways of that wayward rebel, you might understand why he is having such a hard time; losing to Bush twice; and now to Obama.
Not to mention he is on the wrong side of history today.

But to say we owe our freedom to Mccain? Pulleease. There are much better heros to choose from.

Posted by: ukeman | October 9, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

aPalinfan;
there is something in what Obama did and who he is, when he went to Chicago to help the community, that you will never know if you don't recognize the humanity in his work there.
Ayers is a "reformed" community activist who has contributed more to the community and schools than you will ever know. In fact, there were well known republicans on the same board!
Obama, like those republicans, were looking to SERVE the public good. THat didn't require screening the predetermined board members by shaun Hannity's right wing big money power mongering sponsors.
The criteria was and is contribute to the good of the community; it's called service.
What do you know about it?
What does Palin know about service? Not much.
Mccain is a misfit with 30 yrs of erratic behavior.
Palin has a couple years of back stabbing power climbing. she is like Hannity and see the big money too.

Posted by: ukeman | October 9, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

hussein macaine hussein macaine hussein macaine high heels bathing suit wink wink kill him terorist palin around beauty queen troopergate six pack drill baby i'll get back to ya my friends that one shout out dog gonnit hussein macaine hussein macaine.

Republican Party in the ditch.

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 9, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Evangelacrites that hate obama, and say you love GOD. Don't be surprised if the end is near and Jesus return as a black man. Will you hate him too?

Posted by: r4147824 | October 8, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

APalinfan - you need to read this thread for some education, and also read: Posted by: Luke2 | October 8, 2008 7:45 PM for a rebuttal to your most recent comment!

Posted by: tbitzel | October 8, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama's staff wants us to belive that he didn't know who Ayers or his wife were before going to their house to run for local office. Right. As Thomas Sowell has pointed out, Obama didn't have an association with Ayers (and others), he had an alliance:

"Obama could have allied himself with all sorts of other people. But, time and again, he allied himself with people who openly expressed their hatred of America. No amount of flags on his campaign platforms this election year can change that."

See http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/07/the_real_obama

Posted by: APalinFan | October 8, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

The comment by Posted by: bubba31138 | October 8, 2008 7:25 PM says it ALL! Bubba knows best! LOL!!! No, I am sure he cannot back up his comments with FACTS!

Posted by: tbitzel | October 8, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

It's curious to read posts attacking Senator Obama using lies, rumors and innuendo but I don't see anyone posting why they support Senator McCain.

Is it because was a stalwart Keating supporter?

Posted by: knjincvc | October 8, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 8, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Attaboy, Joe...

NOW, keep giving as good as you get from Palin...

Wasn't her husband a member of a secessionist party headed by a guy who said he has no use for the institutions of America? Who wants to see Alaska secede from the union?

And didn't the Governor have glowing things to say about the Alaska Independence Party when she addressed their convention?

Doesn't that mean that Gov. Palin is "palling around" with "enemies of the state"?

Right back atcha, Barracudda!

Stay in the headlines, Joe... because it's working.

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 8, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

It just amazes me how dumbed-down Americans have become, that they would believe the rhetoric that comes from Palin and McCain's mouths. Does anyone ever use critical thinking any more? Palin is an embarrassment to those women who have a brain and use it. McCain is nothing more than a hot head old man, who will do anything to get attention. Yes, he raises cain whever he goes, and calls himself a Maverick (LOL!), but the truth is, he does this only for attention, because he is narcissistic, then after he gets the attention he wants, he VOTES the same way Bush wanted him to vote all along, because they are the same! He only yells and throws fits to get attention, and then 90% of the time votes with Bush. So, if you think you will get something different than Bush, you are lying to yourself! And, if Americans cannot see that Palin incites hatred, partisanship, and the dumbing-down of the masses at every public appearance, and that McCain uses his military experience as an excuse to say and do anything he wants, well, I have lost all hope for America's future. I am so sick and tired of both of them accusing anyone who is not on their side of not being patriotic, of not caring about this country or our soldiers. I am an ex-military wife, and I can tell you, no one is more patriotic, cares more about this country, and its military than me. However, I have been against this on particular war, because it was based on lies, and it has wasted not only thousands of innocent lives, but it has cost Americans billions of dollars, and its reputation around the world. We should have gone after the real enemy, Bin Laden instead of being diverted into Iraq, where the oil reserves lay. McCain thinks he is the ONLY POW alive, and the ONLY one who understands the military, and it is getting really OLD! I am sick of hearing him pat himself on the back every other sentence that comes out of his mouth. Get over it all ready! Being an ex-POW and military person does NOT make you a good leader. He has been nothing for the past 8 years, but Bush's side-kick and if you think our country is better of than it was 8 years ago, then you deserve more of the same! McCain's and Palin's pandering, character assasinations, lies, hatred remarks, and their ego-centric personalities make me ill! I cannot even listen to their voices any more, because of the hateful tones and words that come out of their mouths. I cannot for the life of me understand how stupid Americans can be! Obama and Biden are 2 extremely intelligent, ethical, and capable leaders, and they are the change this country needs, and what we deserve as Americans. I am beginning to believe that a lot of people are afraid of anyone with a brain. They have become so dumbed-down, that they are comfortable with stupidity, instead of expecting more of themselves and this country. We Americans deserve better!! We are smarter than this! McCain is a rich man, and he has no clue what Americans are feeling or experiencing. He pretends to know, but he has no clue! For Christ sake, he doesn't even know how many houses he owns! He has no idea what it is like not to be able to pay bills, not to have health insurance, or to have to work more than one job just to make ends meet. Obama and Biden do know these things, and they are for us, the people! McCain and Palin are only in it for themselves (do not believe their rhetoric!), and they are definitely for big corporations, corporate lobbyists and CEOs! You are fooling yourselves if you do not know this! Why do you think McCain selected Palin? Because of big oil in Alaska, and if you haven't noticed lately, big oil companies have been recieving billions of dollars each quarter in profits, while we try to figure out how we are going to pay the utilities, buy food and afford to put gas in the car. Wake up people! Obama and Biden are for us, the people of the United States, and McCain and Palin are for big business, and you are all fools if you do not understand this. Why do you think McCain doesn't like Obama's tax plan? It's NOT because of small businesses, it's because people like him, who are rich who will have to pay more taxes. As Obama says, small businesses are not rich. McCain doesn't care that Obama wants to cut taxes for the middle class (which most small businesses fall under), for anyone who makes less than $250K a year. The truth is, McCain doesn't want HIS taxes raised, or his rich buddies taxes raised, who are all in big business. McCain has six big lobbyists running his campaign!!! What does this tell you? Quit allowing both of them to dumb you down any more! Use your God given minds to think, and do some critical thinking here! Do your research on Obama's website and his issues, and learn the real facts! Quit taking McCain's/Palin's bold face lies as truth! These 2 ego-centric people, who are in this for nothing more than POWER - nothing else! Obama wants to UNITE the people of this country, and if you really listen and watch what McCain & Palin do and say, it is so obvious they are for inciting separation and hatred. I can tell you right now, I would not be surprised if both of them are bigots! It takes an very uneducated person to be a bigot! Don't allow yourselve to fall for being less than you really are! Rise up for a moral, ethical, and intelligent existence and vote for those who exemplify these attributes - Obama & Biden!!!

Posted by: tbitzel | October 8, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is the best VP candidate in my lifetime. Here's the best news of all
8 years OBAMA, 8 Years BIDEN.

By that time, America can recover from
the great natural disaster of our time
"Hurricane George Bush"
God, no wonder we look like a country of stooges to the world...with knuckleheads like Bush, McCain, Palin?

As Joe B would say, "My God, Man"

Posted by: TruthWalksOnWater | October 8, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: USDefender | October 8, 2008 9:31 PM |
"A Vote for Obama Spendo-rama Biden-deciden is a vote to insure we never get control of anything. We will learn how to print more money and hand it out, while taxing into oblvion the last productive members of the United States business community."
==================================
Sources, my friend?

Posted by: T-Prop | October 8, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

A Vote for Obama Spendo-rama Biden-deciden is a vote to insure we never get control of anything. We will learn how to print more money and hand it out, while taxing into oblvion the last productive members of the United States business community.
If you are insane enough to vote Obama I say enjoy your delusion. Dreamers can't face hard realities. At least you can go down in flames blaming Bush, or somebody other than yourself. Obama will show you how. He is good at criticism of our country, and does it with special irreverent flair and joy!
Because of people like John McCain, Obama is alive today to enjoy the freedom to attack with deceptions and emotions, and de-fame and criticize things he doesn't understand.

Posted by: USDefender | October 8, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I have been a lifelong Republican (I'm 62 years old), but enough is enough. McCain, with his erratic, hotheaded, nasty behavior has lost my vote.

There are four things that should matter: the issues, character, intelligence, and experience. Experience may well be the least important - after all, George W. Bush was very experienced when we reelected him, and look where that got us. McCain's trials as a POW are being touted as evidence of character and experience, but the opposite may be true. He certainly deserves respect and sympathy for what he went through (he has mine), but it may actually have left him with residual anger that would compromise his ability to govern rationally. Having been a POW is no training for serving as President of the United States.

Intelligence is VERY important - these last eight years have been The United States of Stupid. It's becoming more and more clear to me that Obama is both more intelligent and has a more stable personality than McCain.

McCain's "That One" jibe on Tuesday night may be a minor blip in comparison with the overwhelmingly difficult issues we face now, but it does illuminate his personality problem - nasty, impulsive, and condescending. What if he were in negotiation with a foreign leader and indulged in such talk in an angry moment? We don't want a president with a self-control problem.

Posted by: David1946 | October 8, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing that the McCain supporters are constantly contemptuous, misinformed, or ignorant.
Lets rally around a semi-senile empty suit & a run of the mill small time politician, that way we can accelerate the decline of the USA. Way to go McCainites!

Posted by: stbdtac | October 8, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin should be taken seriously, enough already with the Tina Fey send-ups. There needs to be "Frontline"-level coverage of her rallies. We haven't seen this kind of nativist populism on the national stage since George Wallace.
Pat Buchanan was a third party candidate who was isolationist but had no real support from the national parties. Palin is the offspring of Talk Radio. She gleefully spews a white trash, populist message that is dangerous.
It can happen here.

Posted by: fougasseu | October 8, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"Do you make fun of Obama's 58-State gaffe?" markinaustin

Certainly, Mark,that was funny. I've been there before.

we all make verbal muscues- especially when we are tired. I was asked one time about my uncle's by the Wing commander who had played high school baseball with two of them. I knew them very well, but in speaking to a Colonel as a new second lieutenant, I could only name three out of the five.

I just thought it was intersting that McCain used " My fellow prisoners," and that he didn't have a clue about how many houses that Cindy owns.

I'm sure that Senator Obama could easily name all 50 states, and their capitals. His IQ has been tested twice at above 165- the highest of any Presidential candidate in our history.

He could, as a former lecturer of Constitutional Law, probably name at least 200 important Supreme Court decisions- unlike the Moose Killer from Wasilla.

We all get tired at times, but McCain has shown that he is losing his judgment and reason with this ridiculous Vice Presidential pick, and with his hiring of the entire Bush/Cheney/Rove smear gang.

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 8, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Go to any WaPo political column and you'll see the right wingers harping on William Ayers. Gads -- I thought they were stretching credulity when they wanted to blame Bill Clinton for everything that went wrong in W's administration. Now they want to blame Obama for politics gone wrong in the 1960's.

Hey -- didn't your goddess of end-of-days politics just put on her heels, take off her gloves, and tell you not to focus on the past?

Got Panic?

Posted by: noGOP4me | October 8, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

McSame said in last nites debates.....

"I will cut every social program and freeze out entirely many of them...except for military spending"....hmmmm....

Isnt that what the military is supposed to fight, kill, die trying to defend agaisnt???
A military police state of a tolitarian regime?

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131 (216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 8, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Biden needed to have not held back. I mean, she's supposed to be a VP candidate and if she can't stand the heat get her out of the kitchen! Anyone else would not be hiding behind the "stop picking on me line">

Posted by: pathina | October 8, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

William Ayers is only the tip of the iceberg. Obama's past associations of choice include not only urban terrorist Ayers, but an assortment of left-wing fanatics, racist ministers, and even criminals. These are all despicable people who hold no love for the USA. Obama has never repudiated any of these associations until the pressures of the presidential campaign made it politically expedient for him to do so. It is reasonable to assume that these associations influenced Obama's character and ideology. Both campaigns and the media have a responsibility to insure that this matter is fairly debated by the campaigns and that Obama honestly and thoroughly responds to these concerns of many voters.

Posted by: bubba31138 | October 8, 2008 7:25 PM
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Can you name a few of these people? I bet you can't.

Posted by: smc91 | October 8, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I listened to what that little bitc* Cindy "Moneybags" McCain had to say about Iraq funding votes and I find her to be repulsive. Just like the reputation of her disgusting husband and hack running mate, I hope what little reputation she had coming into this election will be trashed when this is over.

And, in the ultimate double-standard, could you possibly imagine what would happen if Mrs. Obama spoke out so haphazardly on specific votes of John McCain?

Good-bye, Cindy. It is soon going to be you, your husband, and a box of Depends.

Posted by: Jaxxon | October 8, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

William Ayers was throwing bombs while Richard Nixon was gunning down university students in Ohio.

They both were very, very wrong.

Posted by: JRM2
===================================================
Correction: the National Guard troops at Kent State were under command of the governor of Ohio. They had not been federalized.

That said, Nixon was a lying, crass, murdering, warmongering, bloodthirsty, egotistical, narcissistic megalomaniac who paved the way for the imperial presidency. So you can get a card giving you a free spin. ;-)

Posted by: treetopflyer | October 8, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"JRM2, I am a Republican.
MarkInAustin

Mark,

I used to be a Republican. George Bush/Dick Cheney- and now John McCain habe long since changed all that.-

I don't even want to get into the case of Mrs. Goody Twoshoes, the clueless Mayor from Wasilla.

What a bad joke on the American public. She is mean, snide, sarcastic, and an inveterate liar.

I wouldn't trust her as a checkout clerk at my grocery store. The constant sickening smirky smile of hers is repulsive to me beyond belief.

America, we can do better.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 8, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

evangel7 whined:

"John McCain is someone who has actually done something for his country while Obama continually is associated with corrupt politicians, hate monger pastors, terrorists, etc..."

You mean corrupt politicians like phil gram, hate mongers like pastor(?) hagee, or terrorists like that seceding husband of sara pitbull?? You mean THOSE types of associations?

Posted by: cloudynites | October 8, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

skolniks, one of us is going to be very disappointed on November 5.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is eight years older than in 2008 as well. Do you make fun of Obama's 58-State gaffe?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Neocon thugs and paid operatives of the McCain campaign, please note: your hate, lies and trash are not going to work this time. You are going down and your McChicken/McMoose fast food are going down with you.

Posted by: skolniks | October 8, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"Luke2, John McCain is exactly the same man as he was in 2000." markinaustin.

No Mark, he is not. He is eight years older, has visibly lost his ability to recall facts- and much more important- has gone out and hired the entire Bush/Cheney/Rove character assasination team who smeared him in 2000.

Today, he prefaced a sentence with, "My fellow prisoners," That says it all.

He is still dwelling in the Hanoi Hilton. He used "My Friends," twenty two times during the debate. I can tell you, he is not "my friend" as long as he allows people to lie in his behalf. He is fostering hate and fear among Americans that is dangerous, inflamatory, and will hurt our country.

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 8, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Palin's questioning of anyone's honesty is absurd! For someone who is under investigation herself in her state of Alaska for shady shenanigans from abuse of power, to malicious acts perpetrated against her former brother-in law and his boss, that is like pis*ing in the wind and having it blow back in your face, or in her case having it crawl back up her leg.

Posted by: tydicea | October 8, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

JRM2, I am a Republican.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

"William Ayers is only the tip of the iceberg." bubba

bubba,

you've been watching Sean Hannity and listening to Rush Limbaugh too much.

As a student at a very progressive University during the Viet-Nam conflict, I had many "radical" friends who were extremely opposed to our involvement in the Viet-Nam conflict, in which we killed over 2,000,000 Vietnamese in the largest bombing campaign ever conducted in modern warfare.

We also lost over 50,000 of our own troops and had close to 300,000 wounded- and many more came home suffering from PTSD.

When I got my draft notice, I signed up for the Air Force, was trained as a fighter pilot and served two tours in Viet-Nam. My friends did not "form or influence" my character.

Barack Obama served on the Woods Foundation board with William Ayres, who at the time was a distinguished professor at the University of Illinois. He had not been convicted of any crime, nor was the FBI interested in him as a "domestic terrorist."

John McCain served on boards with people expressing extreme anti-semitism. That does not mean he is anti-semitic.

He also represented Charles Keating, vacationed at his Bahamas resort home many times, flew on his private jet- while Keating was busy defrauding thousands of their life's savings.

Now John McCain wants to find more "wars to win." This is today.

Senator Obama is a calm, intelligent, rational person who can find consensus in our country. John McCain is an old, angry, agitated, impatient man who is living in the past.

Your "guilt by association" garbage will not work.

Our country needs intelligent leadership which will deal effectively with our economic, health, and international problems. "That one" can do it.

Obama/Biden 2008

Posted by: Luke2 | October 8, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is someone who has actually done something for his country while Obama continually is associated with corrupt politicians, hate monger pastors, terrorists, etc. He can talk a good game but most everything he says he is going to do like cut taxes, be tough on terror, etc., fly in the face of what he has actually done. If you want to call pointing that out mean go ahead of duty. But I think ignoring it is failing to do one's duty and McCain believes in doing his duty even if it wrangles some feathers. Go McCain I honor your service. At least McCain is not ashamed of our flag and will put his hand on his heart for the pledge of allegiance.

Posted by: evangel7 | October 8, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

William Ayers was throwing bombs while Richard Nixon was gunning down university students in Ohio.

They both were very, very wrong.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 8, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"G. Gordon Liddy was, and is, a great American. My question to Biden, however, were you lying then or are you lying now?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:51 PM |"
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G. Gordon Liddy-convicted felon at the center of watergate, unabashed proponent of domestic terrorism used the public airwaves to incite murderous violence against public officials.

And you call him a "great American"?

You have got to be insane or a Republican.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 8, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"I Don't Mess With Black Men"

Palin's Racist Remark

read about it at
http://www.counterpunch.org/washington10082008.html

Posted by: edlharris | October 8, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Read a great take at
http://www.counterpunch.org

I especially like Alex's last paragraph:
McCain and Palin are trying to get traction by slurring Obama for association with Bill Ayers, a leader of the the bomb-throwing antiwar Weathermen in the 60s. Obama was eight when they threw the bombs. It doesn't seem a productive line of attack for McCain and Palin, particularly when many Americans wouldn't mind blowing up Wall St themselves.

Posted by: edlharris | October 8, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Biden quote, though. It was closer to 2007 than 2000.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Luke2, John McCain is exactly the same man as he was in 2000.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pro36 | October 8, 2008 6:33 PM
"Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?"

Soooo! what is the big deal????
Every house I have EVER bought has been for less than the asking price;

Sooo! Am I a criminal as well?????

Do your homework before spewing!!!!!!!!

January 24, 2008 FROM THE SUN-TIMES ARCHIVE
All of a sudden, seems as if everybody's talking about Barack Obama and Tony Rezko.
Rezko already was a big story in Chicago, accused of influence-peddling in the Blagojevich administration and set to face trial Feb. 25.

But Monday, he became national news -- and an issue in the presidential race. That's when Hillary Clinton blasted Obama for having represented "your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner-city Chicago."
Having a hard time keeping track of the facts? Here are eight things to know:
1. They met in 1990. Obama was a student at Harvard Law School and got an unsolicited job offer from Rezko, then a low-income housing developer in Chicago. Obama turned it down.
2. Obama took a job in 1993 with a small Chicago law firm, Davis Miner Barnhill, that represents developers -- primarily not-for-profit groups -- building low-income housing with government funds.
3. One of the firm's not-for-profit clients -- the Woodlawn Preservation and Investment Corp., co-founded by Obama's then-boss Allison Davis -- was partners with Rezko's company in a 1995 deal to convert an abandoned nursing home at 61st and Drexel into low-income apartments. Altogether, Obama spent 32 hours on the project, according to the firm. Only five hours of that came after Rezko and WPIC became partners, the firm says. The rest of the future senator's time was helping WPIC strike the deal with Rezko. Rezko's company, Rezmar Corp., also partnered with the firm's clients in four later deals -- none of which involved Obama, according to the firm. In each deal, Rezmar "made the decisions for the joint venture," says William Miceli, an attorney with the firm.
4. In 1995, Obama began campaigning for a seat in the Illinois Senate. Among his earliest supporters: Rezko. Two Rezko companies donated a total of $2,000. Obama was elected in 1996 -- representing a district that included 11 of Rezko's 30 low-income housing projects.
5. Rezko's low-income housing empire began crumbling in 2001, when his company stopped making mortgage payments on the old nursing home that had been converted into apartments. The state foreclosed on the building -- which was in Obama's Illinois Senate district.
6. In 2003, Obama announced he was running for the U.S. Senate, and Rezko -- a member of his campaign finance committee -- held a lavish fund-raiser June 27, 2003, at his Wilmette mansion.
7. A few months after Obama became a U.S. senator, he and Rezko's wife, Rita, bought adjacent pieces of property from a doctor in Chicago's Kenwood neighborhood -- a deal that has dogged Obama the last two years. The doctor sold the mansion to Obama for $1.65 million -- $300,000 below the asking price. Rezko's wife paid full price -- $625,000 -- for the adjacent vacant lot. The deals closed in June 2005. Six months later, Obama paid Rezko's wife $104,500 for a strip of her land, so he could have a bigger yard. At the time, it had been widely reported that Tony Rezko was under federal investigation. Questioned later about the timing of the Rezko deal, Obama called it "boneheaded" because people might think the Rezkos had done him a favor.
8. Eight months later -- in October 2006 -- Rezko was indicted on charges he solicited kickbacks from companies seeking state pension business under his friend Gov. Blagojevich. Federal prosecutors maintain that $10,000 from the alleged kickback scheme was donated to Obama's run for the U.S. Senate. Obama has given the money to charity.

Posted by: knjincvc | October 8, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"Luke2, I believe Joe Biden said that in 2007, not 2000. Nice try though."
MarkInAustin


"And in a 2005 appearance on Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart,” Biden in an answer that was excerpted in the recent McCain ad, said that he “would be honored to run with, or against, John McCain, because I think the country would be better off — be well off no matter who ran to replace Bush/Cheney ...”

You have to remember- this was a comedy show.

The operative words were, I think, "against."

Besides McCain had not hired the Bush/Cheney slime machine in 2005.

McCain is a different man today. He has lost his honor and integrity.He has gone out and recruited the same slimers that did him in during the 2000 primary.

"John, we hardly knew ye."

Not this time

Posted by: Luke2 | October 8, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

William Ayers is only the tip of the iceberg. Obama's past associations of choice include not only urban terrorist Ayers, but an assortment of left-wing fanatics, racist ministers, and even criminals. These are all despicable people who hold no love for the USA. Obama has never repudiated any of these associations until the pressures of the presidential campaign made it politically expedient for him to do so. It is reasonable to assume that these associations influenced Obama's character and ideology. Both campaigns and the media have a responsibility to insure that this matter is fairly debated by the campaigns and that Obama honestly and thoroughly responds to these concerns of many voters.

Posted by: bubba31138 | October 8, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

p.s. the reason it's only "mildly dangerous" is because the wall street and its deregulated banks and credit companies have become enemy number one. when john mccain was doing his best, he was appealing to independents with terror just like bush by saying that the middle east was a hostile place with bad people who obama won't be able to keep out of this country, unlike him. it's easy to get people to vote on the whims of their emotions (i.e. fear), but there's a name for this method of appealing... propaganda.

both candidates need to keep their campaigns deeply rooted in the issues of the time because we have plenty of them. unfortunately for the republican party, mccain's solutions to these issues just aren't as good as obama's.

Posted by: hybridmoments2 | October 8, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Countenance:
*The face; visage.
*Calm facial expression; composure.
*Approval or favor; encouragement; moral support.

When searching for the a description of Barack Obama the word Countenance came to mind. His presence brings a calming effect to all that meet him. I had written another piece about him and feel this is worth saying again.

This Presidential Metamorphism has launched us into a new direction. A direction of change and wonderment. We have reveled in its journey. The annals of this presidential race will score an everlasting mark. Americans yearn for something unseen before, a gate to a place that promises Trust, Unity and Hope.
Barack Obama simply offered these 3 simple words of ownership into our future. This cocoon like effort has caused an uneasiness among all who query this vision. It is easy to look at something different as foreboding.

Barack Obama is an anomaly! There is no measure in which to judge.

For me let the metamorphosis begin. He has been tested and shown a leadership second to known.


Posted by: welshcorgi1 | October 8, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Governor Palin attacking Obama on the grounds that he won't answer simple questions forthrightly. How about "what newspapers do you read?"

Posted by: ebrobston | October 8, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

pro36...and you're just an uneducated white trailer-park trash waste of space.
Very "original" ideas on Obama. Did that druggie/bigot Rush Limbaugh help you come to the conclusion that Obama is a "Muslim Terrorist?" Or was it your church pastor or Fox news? How gullible are you?

Posted by: babigos | October 8, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

"Just yesterday, the democratic secretary of state of Nevada 's voter fraud task force raided one of Acorn's offices in Nevada." loisland-

the real story:


WASHINGTON, Oct 07, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- On Oct. 7, ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) interim Chief Organizer Bertha Lewis issued the following statement in response to the raid of ACORN's office in Las Vegas:

"Over the past year, ACORN has worked hard to help over 80,000 people in Clark County register to vote. As part of our nonpartisan voter registration program, we have reviewed all the applications submitted by our canvassers.

When we have identified suspicious applications, we have separated them out and flagged them for election officials. We have zero tolerance for fraudulent registrations. We immediately dismiss employees we suspect of submitting fraudulent registrations.

For the past 10 months, any time ACORN has identified a potentially fraudulent application, we turn that application into election officials separately and offer to provide election officials with the information they would need to pursue an investigation or prosecution of the individual.
Election officials routinely ignored this information and failed to act.

In early July, ACORN asked to meet with election officials to express our concerns that they were not acting on information ACORN had presented to them. ACORN met with Clark County elections officials and a representative of the Secretary of State on July 17th. ACORN pleaded with them to take our concerns about fraudulent applications seriously. One week later, elections officials asked us to provide them with a second copy of what we had previously provided to them. ACORN responded by giving election officials copies of 46 "problem application packages," which involved 33 former canvassers.
On September 23, ACORN had received a subpoena dated September 19th requesting information on 15 employees, all of whom had been included in the packages we had previously submitted to election officials. ACORN provided our personnel records on these 15 employees on September 29.
Today's raid by the Secretary of State's Office is a stunt that serves no useful purpose other than discredit our work registering Nevadans and distracting us from the important work ahead of getting every eligible voter to the polls."
ACORN is the nation's largest community organization of low- and moderate-income families, with over 400,000 member families across the country. Since 1970, *ACORN* has taken action and won victories on such issues as better housing, living wages for low-wage workers, more investment in our communities, and better public schools.
SOURCE Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN)

The real fraud is being done by the GOP voter caging tactic that Karl Rove used in the last two Presidential elections

Vote caging is an illegal trick to suppress minority voters (who tend to vote Democrat) by getting them knocked off the voter rolls if they fail to answer registered mail sent to homes they aren't living at (because they are, say, at college or at war). The Republican National Committee reportedly stopped the practice following a consent decree in a 1986 case. Google the term and you'll quickly arrive at the Wizard of Oz of caging, Greg Palast, investigative reporter and author of the wickedly funny Armed Madhouse: From Baghdad to New Orleans—Sordid Secrets and Strange Tales of a White House Gone Wild. Palast started reporting allegations of Republican vote caging for the BBC's Newsnight in 2004. He's been almost alone on the story since then. Palast contends, both in Armed Madhouse and widely through the liberal blogosphere, that vote caging, an illegal voter-suppression scheme, happened in Florida in 2004 this way:

The Bush-Cheney operatives sent hundreds of thousands of letters marked "Do not forward" to voters' homes. Letters returned ("caged") were used as evidence to block these voters' right to cast a ballot on grounds they were registered at phony addresses. Who were the evil fakers? Homeless men, students on vacation and—you got to love this—American soldiers. Oh yeah: most of them are Black voters.

Why weren't these African-American voters home when the Republican letters arrived? The homeless men were on park benches, the students were on vacation—and the soldiers were overseas.

Palast supplies evidence linking Tim Griffin, then-research director for the RNC, to this caging plot; specifically, a series of confidential e-mails to Republican Party muckety-mucks with the suggestive heading "RE: caging." The e-mails were accidentally sent to a George Bush parody site. They also contained suggestively named spreadsheets, headed "caging" as well. The names on the lists are what Palast's researchers deemed to be homeless men and soldiers deployed in Iraq. Here are the e-mails.

Watch the video here. ^0 minutes would not cover the story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKMyh5A5mQ0

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 8, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

to jmcgill1:

"mildly dangerous" is a way of reminding people of the burgeoning revival of McCarthyism brought by the McCain/Palin campaign. Implicating someone as a terrorist in times when terrorists are enemy number one sounds a lot like joseph mccarthy and the red scare. and it would be dangerous were americans not smarter than we are now, not to mention morally despicable and cheap.

Posted by: hybridmoments2 | October 8, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Luke2, I believe Joe Biden said that in 2007, not 2000. Nice try though.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

It's time to start treating Palin as a VP candidate. She's hid behind "poor me, stop piccking on me for too long." Her asinine attacks on Obamab should be returned with intellegent observations about her outstanding inadequacies.

Posted by: pathina | October 8, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I think senator McCain should take the wallnuts out of his mouth when he is talking to people .

Posted by: ghunter1 | October 8, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

You had to at least love Palin a little bit for entertainment value in the debate for the Joe Sixpack's of the world---Instead of having phone s.e.x. she was having TV s.e.x. with them as she winked and licked her lips and did the little low half-hand wave, and smiled her way into the seduced hearts of the lonely hearts club slurping their beers at local bars across America---No doubt it would be a treat to watch her eat an icecream cone too. BUT IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID--I'M VOTING FOR OBAMA and BIDEN in '08!!! You should too when you sober up.

Posted by: benighse | October 8, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

G. Gordon Liddy was, and is, a great American. My question to Biden, however, were you lying then or are you lying now?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse
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Wow. You are completely insane, aren't you?

And as for the Biden remarks, he was campaigning to be the presidential nominee of the democratic party at the time, and said things to make hims sound more qualified than other candidates...and to pick up some of the McCain supporters that might be swayed his way. McCain has done the same, especially when he said (in reference to Mitt Romney) that a Governor was not fit or qualified to be a President as a senator was, then picked Palin saying, "Her experience as a mayor and a Governor makes her more than qualified to take over if necessary).

Posted by: Grant_x | October 8, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Mccain has become MR. GRUMPY. The persona of being an angry bitter ol' man is hardly a convincing character for him.....He is acting like Daffy Duck...Is it the medications he's on for recent mini-strokes, or is it just being 73 and erratic! My Republican wife asked why he was noticeably dragging his leg across the stage during the debate...No one seems to be asking the medical issues questions of Mccain and his lobbyist staff.

Posted by: benighse | October 8, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey, my friends. It's all going to go downhill from here. You know what they say about a cornered rat? It will jump at your throat to try and save its life. For the next few weeks we will all experience the cornered-rate McCain campaign trying to jump at Obama's throat. It won't work, of course, but we will all have to live through it. In the end, we will have a decent president and a dead rat.

Posted by: rob15 | October 8, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"G. Gordon Liddy was, and is, a great American. My question to Biden, however, were you lying then or are you lying now?"

So burglary is bad only when a poor person commits it to steal for money as opposed to some political objective. Aren't you so thankful that Carter pardoned him then? No, didn't think so.

Posted by: tweldy | October 8, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

PALIN HAS NOTHING IN COMMON WITH MIDDLE AMERICA.

SHE IS A POSER & DEAD BEAT MOM WHO HAS AN UNWEDDED PREGNANT TEENAGE GIRL & A DRUG HEAD SON, WHILE CONTINUING TO LIE & HATE ON OBAMA.

THAT'S NOT FAMILY VALUES, THAT'S TRAILER PARK TRASH VALUES.

Posted by: Sarah_Failin | October 8, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"you remember back before Biden joined the Obama ticket he said that he respected McCain, and would have been honored to run WITH McCain," markinaustin.

Mark,

that was because Joe Biden was angered at the horrible personal character smears that the George Bush/Dick Cheney campaign were running against his old Senate friend in the 2000 primary. He called him on the phone and asked him if he needed help.

Apparently Bush/Cheney were able to make amends with John McCain by promising him that they would fulfill his long held wish of invading Iraq.

In this campaign, John McCain has lost his values and integrity, and gone out and hired all the ex Bush smear artists. He has hired the same swift boat people who did John Kerry in.

He is a much different person than in 2000. His ambition has made him willing to allow others to lie and deceive in his behalf. Joe Biden is appalled at this degeneration of what was once an honorable man.

Viet-Nam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 8, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Biden is trying to cover up the fact that Obama is too risky to be President. When he worked for the CAC he gave grants to radical educational groups. He was also connected with Acorn. Acorn is connected with the financial mess. Also, it has been accused of voter fraud. Just yesterday, the democratic secretary of state of Nevada 's voter fraud task force raided one of Acorn's offices in Nevada. Obama is a radical leftist. He is covering it up now to get elected.

Posted by: Loisland3 | October 8, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin are running the most dishonorable campaign in recent history. It makes even Bush's tarring of McCain in 2000 look respectable by comparison.

Posted by: fletc3her | October 8, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Luke2,

Palin may be Howdy-Doody to you, but for me she is Ms. Nancy from Romper Room.

Posted by: Grant_x | October 8, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

OL' MR. GRUMPY IS NOT HAPPY....HE WANTS TO TAKE ALL HIS MARBLES AND GO HOME....IF ONLY HE HADN'T LOST ALL HIS MARBLES....SENILITY IS NOT A VIRTUE....TOODLES MCCAIN....OR IS IT TONTO MCCAIN TO LONE RANGER BUSH....HI HO SILVER PALIN....AWAY....

Posted by: benighse | October 8, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Enough anger, lets work together. America is facing one of the worst financial challenges it has ever faced. Stop wasting time being petty; instead, come up with a plan to help troubled Americans. Can we prevent this, http://www.buymyhousebeforethebanktakesit.com don't you think it's time to get on with the real issues?

Posted by: EconomistUSA | October 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

How funny, how subtle too!

"Mildly dangerous" is just a way of saying "you really don't scare us at all, and we know this isn't going to help you."

Posted by: jmcgill1 | October 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I completely support Obama and I am 100% sure I am going to vote for him. Unless the election is rigged in favor of the Republicans as the last election was (the "conservative" news execs favor McCain becuase McCain isn't going to tax the rich corporations, and the "free press" and "right to free speech" )

Obama is definitely going to win. Obama is our only hope. If McCain wins (I don't think he will), everyone loses (except for the 5% of the population controlling 95% of the money). I hope no one is disenfranchised (especially democrats) as they have been in past elections. This criminal mischeif in the republican party has really given those "conservatives" a bad name.

Posted by: JohnThomasHess | October 8, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I do not believe it should be legal or politically correct for a candidate to attack his opponent through the blatant exploitation and misrepresentation of facts on personal character in a manner that encourages and incites violence, such has been the case on two days this week aross America from Florida to New Mexico by Biden and McCain. They should continue to rail against his policy positions and distort them as they have been and if anyone believes them, they have accomplished their purpose. One has to wonder just what is their purpose in creating a mob mentality of hatred that incites the responses of "Kill him!", "A Terroist!", "Treason!".....

The message I received, watching in on my TV in Texas, is one that has finally clarified for me just what is this "new" Republican Party.

With the big, burly, shaved head Sheriff in full uniform referring to Sen Obama as "Hussein", the raucous, boorish, raging mob, some of whom told a black reporter to "sit down, boy", the hyped up, angry, provocative speaker and speeches, I have concluded that they are America's racist bigots, in the guise of evangelical Christians who cherish life, as long as it is the life of someone just like them. It looked like Pre Nazi Germany to me and it sounded like it, too, and Frau Palin carries the role perfectly.

This right wing Republican Party has been on a mission for 20 years and their "final solution" is just about completed with the near dismantling of our government. Shocking that their plan has run into an obstacle and even more shocking that this obstacle is a black man.

In my opinion, this is very symbolic. It may take the majority of us from all over the country to elect this honorable and capable black man to finally put an end to the shameful past 20 years of Republican dominance and the ugliness which I witnessed the other day.

This Party needs to lie dormant for awhile until they grow some decent, intelligent, and courageous leaders.

It is interesting that they went to Florida and to New Mexico to spread this filth....and not to the midwest or to the south, certainly not to the east. Are there more people in Florida and in New Mexico who can be easily inflammed?

In no way can anyone compare these attacks with the "attacks" from the Democratic ticket. An article mentions that Cindy McCain thinks Obama has conducted the worst campaign ever. Well, she was standing on the stage, smiling, while her husband with a distorted red face, shouting, and inciting violence, cast distorted aspersions on his fellow Senator, who is his political opponent.

It is difficult to look at her, her husband, their surrogates, without seeing them as bigots. If he had any authentic honor before, which I doubt, he has none now. I do not want to hear him even say the word "bipartisanship".

They are so disgusting that I am seriously considering moving to Canada should they somehow win this election. You all can mock me for that, and tell me to go on, but, I have finally figured it out and I won't be a party to having these kind of people represent me or to supporting them as they destroy my country.

Posted by: nana4 | October 8, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is the muslim communist with the communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?"

I thought modern implementations of communism was specifically anti-religious like the former USSR and current Chinese government. This would make being 'muslim' and 'communist' mutually incompatible. Then again, pointing out logical inconsistency from this wing of the political spectrum is like point out s*** in in a sewer.

Posted by: tweldy | October 8, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

G. Gordon Liddy was, and is, a great American. My question to Biden, however, were you lying then or are you lying now?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

pro36,

Your habit of repeating your comments over and over again have really gotten to me. I'm not going to support Obama anymore. I'm going to support McCain now. Thank you for your help. You win. I lose.

That was sarcasm, in case you didn't get it.

(I think I said this to you somewhere else a while ago.)

Posted by: Grant_x | October 8, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

wordbucket, you remember back before Biden joined the Obama ticket he said that he respected McCain, and would have been honored to run WITH McCain, you know, back when Biden thought Obama was not ready to lead and the Presidency was not "on-the-job training"?
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We all remember that. I think this was around the time G. Gordon Liddy had McCain on his radio show where McCain told Liddy that he was a, "great American."

Posted by: Grant_x | October 8, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

pro36,

I would love to put your tiny brain under a microscope to see what makes it tick, like maybe a healthy dose of human excrement?

Posted by: heuristic77 | October 8, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

wordbucket, you remember back before Biden joined the Obama ticket he said that he respected McCain, and would have been honored to run WITH McCain, you know, back when Biden thought Obama was not ready to lead and the Presidency was not "on-the-job training"?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has the same clueless constant smirky grin on her face as my old childhood television friend, the puppet, "Howdy Doody." I wish that she were as nice and honest. Howdy would not lie about others the way Sarah does. She is certainly a "mean girl," and definitely has no qualifications to be President of the United States.

She is an embarrassment to our country- you betcha.

What on earth was my old military colleague thinking? I definitely think he has lost his marbles.

Virt-Nam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 8, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The comments posted here have confirmed to me the type of people obama supporters are. It seems McCain/Pallin are being condemned for the truth. Sometimes it hurts but it's true. Please educate yourselves and research facts available online. Voting records, acquaintances, and just plain talk are important factors in selecting the next prez. Seperate your party line and seek the truth, PLEASE!

Posted by: TRUTH20 | October 8, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

jfp585, assuming someone even said "Kill him!" I believe that was a reference to the unrepentant terrorist, William Ayers, not his "pal" Barack Obama.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh, really, dlennis ??? From that neocon rag The Weakly Standard?

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Get the picture ??

Posted by: phoenixresearch | October 8, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

MarkinAustin: Biden is only fighting back against the slanderous mob-frenzy bile coming from Palin.

On the topic of the AIP, why have I not heard mention of Palin addressing the Alaskan Independence Party (i.e. sucessors from the US) at their convention earlier this year??? Smoking gun, my friends!

Posted by: wordbucket | October 8, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the muslim communist with the communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 8, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't FOX or anybody for that matter done a one hour special on the Alaska Independence Party??

You know the secessionist group Todd Palin supported up until 2002? Am I to believe that he had no influence on Sara, his wife??

According to McCain your guilty by association right? So, is Sara in favor of Alaska leaving the U.S. of A??

What a great choice she was by McCain.

Posted by: Ed12 | October 8, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Perry
I notice that you quote Biden with all his verbal tics and grammatical errors--which is fair enough, and also not very newsworthy.

What's new and startling is the quotation from Sarah Palin. It sounds like something uttered by an English-speaking, college-educated politician. It has syntax, an intelligible message that doesn't require sophisticated decoding, and actual vocabulary words.

If the quotation is accurate, and not something cleaned up by the reporters on the plane (that's where it comes from, right?) it would be the first time she has delivered anything like this that was not written down for her in advance. If so, that would be news indeed. Can you corroborate it?

If not, who really gives a damn what she says?

Posted by: FAC1 | October 8, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 8, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Are there any furthur depths to which John McCain can fall? How very, very ashamed his father and grand father would be of him, for he has done the unforgivable. He has brought dishonor on the proud McCain family name.

Posted by: heuristic77 | October 8, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is way out of her league; it amazes me that the so called Third Word have more qualified heads of states than this great nation. But again that's what you get when your brain is cloudy with biasness and low expectations

Posted by: coleridge1 | October 8, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Biden did mean to say "epitaph" and not "epithet." After all, at least one person following Palin around thinks it would be okay to "kill him" (referring to Obama.) And we also know from a Palin follower that Obama is a traitor...
You know, I don't think even "W" or Rove would stoop this low. What utter sleaze.

Posted by: jfp585 | October 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlennis | October 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

For all of you Obama lovers...check this out! :-)http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/10/obama_gotv_group_and_voter_fra_1.asp

Posted by: dlennis | October 8, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

WELCOME BACK JOE!!!!! It hasn't been the same without you out there! Give'em what-for!!!

Sorry to hear about Jill's mother. It's hard to say good-bye. My mom's under hospice care and I know the day is coming, and it is going to be a hard one.

Posted by: cacatua | October 8, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't FOX or anybody for that matter done a one hour special on the Alaska Independence Party??

You know the secessionist group Todd Palin supported up until 2002? Am I to believe that he had no influence on Sara, his wife??

Guilty by association right? So, is Sara in favor of Alaska leaving the U.S. of A??

What a great choice she was by McCain.

Posted by: Ed12 | October 8, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't FOX or anybody for that matter done a one hour special on the Alaska Independence Party??

You know the secessionist group Todd Palin supported up until 2002? Am I to believe that he had no influence on Sara, his wife??

Guilty by association right? So, is Sara in favor of Alaska leaving the U.S. of A??

What a great choice she was by McCain.

Posted by: Ed12 | October 8, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

darn tootin....you betcha!!! That'll be all now folks. Oh, did I mention that I got a GED...darn tooting..vote for me and I'll set you free..

I am Sarah Pallin and I ain't faillin and I approve this message.

*That's about the size of her campaign message thus far...literally....dumb meet dumber....LMAO

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Golly-Gee Biden can't skin a Mouse ... omg, I think it was a Moose ? I bet he doesn't wave to the Russians as they fly over his house either. How did Bush's buddy "McCain" ever find Palin, I bet he had some help from Cheney ?

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 8, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Bush loaned Admiral McCain the old Swift Boat crew, they're trying to get their second hand rubber dinghies to float as we speak .... The good Admiral is all ready to set sail ... barrels of lies, slander & plain crap, is being moved from the huge Republican warehouse in Crawford Texas. Bush told the old puppet "McCain" to win or go down with the ship. McCain being a yellow bellied skunk has already plotted his escape to sunny Arizona.

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 8, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain is angry. He's old, he's no longer "the stud" war hero. He's filled with self-loathing for adopting the policies and tactics of the hated Bushies. He hated their campaign tactics, hated their tax policies and yet, when he saw it as a path to the Presidency he took it and now he hates himself for doing the dishonorable thing. he always claimed to run the clean, high road, civil discourse campaign and now.....

He's especially angry because for all the dishonorable, sleazy moves he made, he's not even going to win. He's going to lose to a ... n n n--ew guy! You bet he's angry. America's angry too. Bye, my friend.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 8, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

McMad - MCCAIN LOST IT DURING THE DEBATE. HE LAID INTO TOM BROKAW SAYING - "Not you, Tom. Brokaw" as the new Treasury Secretary.
THEN HE REALIZED HOW MAD HE WAS, AND WHAT HE DID, AND HE IT ADDED YOUR A GOOD----

Posted by: ok4u | October 8, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

sorry I meant to say decrease in value. yes a gaffe.

Posted by: LexandSue | October 8, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

OK I just saw Dave27's comment. Now how about people that saw their house increase in value but can still afford the mortgage. Are they going to be bailed out as well? I will be first in line.

Posted by: LexandSue | October 8, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

You have to love Palin. I am sure within a few months we will see a book with Palinisms analogous to Bushisms.

Posted by: LexandSue | October 8, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you're one to talk. Who said Obama was not ready to be president in April? When asked again, Biden stood by his statement! My, my how we've changed from April to October. You were right Joe, he is not ready!!

Posted by: cbl0213 | October 8, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I like the McCain plan of buying the high mortgage and letting the owner payback only the fair price of the home.

Let me explain that in real numbers...
If I bought a $200,000 home at an inflated price of $300,000, govt will let me off the hook for $100,000, and make me pay only $200,000. Very nice.

So, Mr McCain, what about those people who realized they cannot afford the home and stayed in apartments and smaller homes? Are you saying they are stupid for living within their means? Did the tax that those people paid the government not worth as much as others?

Why not make it easier for all, and have the govt buy everyone their dream homes for free?

Posted by: Dave27 | October 8, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 8, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, man. I find myself agreeing with Biden. I must have a fever. He's right though. The most defining thing about McCain is his anger.

Biden also got the sidekick bit right. Whatever kind of maverick Little Johnny Jr. used to be, he's long since become an anything-goes Neocon.

Posted by: omega_man | October 8, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Poor Joe; 20+ years in the Senate and now reduced to schlepping nonsense.

BTW-Did you people ever stop and think that those 12 people who voted for him in the primaries might have been right?

Apparently, he's held in such high esteem by Democrats, I just thought I would ask.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 8, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

TINA FEY WHERE ARE YOU. I CANT WAIT TO SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE. WE LOVE YOU TINA FEY.
TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY TINA FEY. HURRY UP SATURDAY AND COME. TINA GRANDPA MCCAIN & HIS DAUGHTER WAS ON THE TODAY SHOW. THAT SHOW MCCAIN WONT LET HER GED EDUCATION GO ON NO TALK SHOW BY HERSELF. I WONDER WHY. I GUESS SHE WILL TALK ABOUT MOOSE.

Posted by: caroltevans | October 8, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Just announced.

Treasury will give AIG ANOTHER $37.5 billion on top of the $85 billion last week.

:-)

What was that about Bill Ayers??

Posted by: toritto | October 8, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

BIDEN YOU GET AN A+ IN MY BOOK. HAVE ANYONE EVER ASK SARAH PALIN WHY SHE DONT WANT TO ANSWER TO TROOPER GATE. SHE IS SO WORRIED ABOUT OBAMA. I WAS ALWAYS TOLD TO TAKE THAT LOG OUT YOUR OWN EYE. SHE HAS A GED EDUCATION. JUST LOOK HOW SHE TALKS. AS SOON AS SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT HER. THEY WILL BE CRYING " OH THE MEDIA IS PICKING ON HER. GOV SARAH PALIN YOU ARE SUCH AN PIT BULL DONT CRY WHEN BIDEN DISS YOU. YOU MET YOUR MATCH WITH BIDEN. SINCE THEY MCCAIN PUT YOU UP TO DO HIS DIRTY WORK. WELL BIDEN WILL GET YOU WITH KINDNESS. I WATCHED YOUR DEBATE. AND YOU CHANGE THE SUBJECT. BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING. YOU SHOULD START GETTING READY FOR THIS NEW GRANDBABY YOU ARE GETTING READY TO HAVE. THERE WILL BE 2 BABIES IN THE HOUSE THE SAME AGE ALMOST. MOTHER AND DAUGHTER WAS DOING THE LOOSE BOOTIE AT THE SAME TIME. IT SHOW HOW MUCH YOU TAUGHT YOUR DAUGHTER. HILLARY DAUGHTER CHELSEA IS ABOUT 30YRS OLD WITH NO CHILDREN. THAT SHOW EVEN HILLARY BEING AS BUSY AS SHE IS. THAT SHE TEACH HER CHILD ABOUT THE BIRDS AND THE BEES. STOP TEACHING BRISTOL ABOUT MOOSE AND TEACH HER ABOUT SEX EDUCATION.

Posted by: caroltevans | October 8, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

So, it's okay for Biden to be an "attack dog" but just not Palin? Nice double standard there.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Love you Biden....you betcha!!!

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

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