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Cindy McCain Warms Up the Crowd at McCain-Palin Anti-Obama Rally

By Perry Bacon Jr.
BETHLEHEM, Penn. -- The gloves were off, and that was well before Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin even walked on stage.

"The day that Senator Obama decided to cast a vote to not fund my son when he was serving sent a cold chill through my body," Cindy McCain told a crowd of several thousand here, speaking in advance of Palin and her husband."I would suggest Senator Obama change shoes with me for just one day and see what it means to have a loved one serving in the armed services."

At the first joint rally held by Palin and Sen. John McCain in several days, it was Cindy McCain and others who introduced them who delivered the sharpest attacks. The remarks of the Arizona senator's wife lasted less than five minutes, and she used them to focus on her two sons -- as well as Palin's one -- serving in the military, saying Obama should take time to "watch our young men and women deploy."

It was the most pointed attack of the campaign cycle by Mrs. McCain.

Obama voted against a war-funding bill in 2007 that didn't include a timeline for troops. McCain has advocated members of Congress voting against similar bills that do include timelines, which he opposes.

But while Cindy McCain's remarks were pointed, even before Palin and McCain arrived, a series of other speakers at the packed event at the basketball arena at Lehigh University had rallied the crowd by harshly attacking the senator from Illinois.

The chairman of the Lehigh County Republican Party, William Platt, implored the crowd to work hard to elect McCain or wake up November 5 to see "Barack Obama, Barack Hussein Obama," as the president.

He invoked the Democratic candidate's middle name again a few minutes later. (A McCain spokesman, Paul Lindsay, later e-mailed reporters to say the campaign does not "condone the inappropriate rhetoric" that took place in the rally pre-program.)

Karen Diane Beyer, a state representative here, then blasted the Democratic candidate, arguing his rhetoric didn't leave up to his actions.

"If I was his teacher, I would give him an F," she said, getting loud applause from the crowd. "I would give him a check for talking to much too." Rep. Charlie Dent (D-Penn.) said noted "he didn't see any bitter Pennsylvanians" referring to controversial remarks from earlier this year from Obama.

Palin and the McCains had been taping an interview during these remarks, but after Cindy McCain's tough remarks on Obama, the Alaska governor sounded a similar theme. She accused Obama of "lecturing" the Arizona senator during last night's debate "on the stakes" of when America goes to war.

"May I remind Senator Obama, Senator McCain served our nation in uniform for 22 years," Palin said.

The candidate himself touted his proposal to allow the Treasury Department to directly purchased the troubled mortgages of Americans that he discussed during last night's debate and emphasized he was the best candidate to fix the economy, because of his experience.

Americans "know I'm going to reform our broken institutions in Washington and on Wall Street because I've done it before," McCain said. "They know I'm going to deliver relief to the middle class, because that's what I've done."

But he returned to some of his sharp attacks on Obama as well, spending much of his speech questioning Obama's credibility.

"Rather than answer his critics, Senator Obama will try to distract you from noticing that he never answers the serious and legitimate questions he has been asked," McCain told the crowd, which repeatedly shouted back, "No-Bama!" or booed mentions of the Democrat's name. "He has even questioned my truthfulness. And let me reply in the plainest terms I know. I don't need lessons about telling the truth to American people. And were I ever to need any improvement in that regard, I probably wouldn't seek advice from a Chicago politician. "

Neither McCain nor Palin invoked the name of William Ayers, the 1960s radical who the Alaska governor has repeatedly linked to Obama in her speeches over the last few days, although McCain aides have continued to blast Obama for ever meeting with Ayers.

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Women of America Unite!
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!

Women must unite against the liberal media vicious, sexist, cruel, demeaning, contemptuous UN-AMERICAN, unfair, unprofessional, unrelenting and blatantly biased treatment against Vice President Sarah Palin and acting blatantly in favor of Barack Hussein Obama during this unprecedented historic quest for the presidency!

Barack Hussein Obama claims a mightier throne, one forged in liberal ideals of justice and equality and hope, BUT he has benefited mightily from sexism in this campaign, and has remained silent. Obama supporters seem very happy with the sexist way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by Sarah Palin, and many believe that most of the "venom" in the campaign is coming from supporters of Obama.

Women of America Unite in this defining moment in American history. To ensure we can grow up from the male dominated government that has caused many of the problems our country is facing; to a country where men and women are equal partners in governance.

Women of America Unite!
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!
VOTE for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 12, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't discount McCain.
Remember, nobody ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the
American people.

The invisible rulers of this country have figured out decades ago that having too many intelligent people among the "labor inputs" and the lower administrative class is bad for business and social cohesion. Democratic Party is a constant source of this danger, always pushing to spend money on education.
Hence, socio-economic and political adjustments had been made to help produce a critical mass of quasi-drones capable of performing tasks at work, but quite dim about much else. Of critical importance for this undertaking was political stability with the sympathetic party - GOP -controlling political power for at least one generation. By all indications, the plan has succeeded beyond expectations.

The latest Zogby poll puts Obama only 4 points ahead nationally - that's pretty much within the margin of error. Given McCAin/Palin performance in the past month, Obama should be ahead by at least 20 points. Call it the "dim-witted American Effect"

A case of cold feet at the voting booth (we call it "The Bradley Effect") plus targeted voter disenfranchisement would be enough to tip the election to McCAin.

And G-d help us all then .....

Posted by: VMR1 | October 11, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

The board of Annenberg's fund raiser included conservative businessmen, Republicans, and the leading educator and Chicago Man of the Year, Dr Bill Ayers, and the local state senator B H Obama.

Annenberg selected Ayers. Annenberg is a McCain donor.


Posted by: ottothewise | October 11, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Palin denies abuse of power. She doesnt even have the sense or human feeling to note the big complaint the investigators have about her. That is, she makes her employees break the law, out of fear of retribution by her. And there is another case against Palin that wont be heard until after the election, which has the element of Palin making her employees routinely break the law. That 2nd case is being brought against Palin by a REPUBLICAN, for Palin using Yahoo instead of the state email system, to avoid the FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, and the NATIVE AMERICANS and SIERRA CLUB's investigations into her office.

Palin making her employees break the law is loathsome. To break the law to avoid review by concerned citizens is akin to the worst excesses of Cheney.
He "lost" his emails pertaining to the WMD pretext/excuse to go into war against IRAQ. To make her employees break the law to avoid citizen review is particularly loathsome.

VOTE OBAMA in 08.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 11, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The Iraq and Afghanistan Vets of America rate McCain a D.

They rate Obama a B.

Obama did not vote for funding when the bill did not have an end date for the war.

McCain did not vote for funding when the bill DID have an end date for the war. McCain voted no to the troops two times, yes one time and missed 6 votes.The Iraq and Afghanistan Vets of America (IAVA) gives John a D.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 11, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

It would truly be a terrible moment in our nation's history if McCain and Palin were to be elected on their platform of hate and lies. There was a time I had some respect for McCain. But he has completely lost my respect. In fact I must have been mistaken all along to think that he had any honor. If he becomes president I will still have no respect for him. But even worse if he becomes president it will show the world that the days of an inspiring America are over. If he becomes president the world will see that America is ruled by hate, fear and bigotry and that every other country had better be afraid because a hate filled, angry old man and his ill-informed religious fundamentalist vp are in charge and they are erratic and filled with negativity. In fact negativity is their platform.

Posted by: MickyD1 | October 11, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Palin denies abuse of power. She doesnt even have the sense or human feeling to note the big complaint the investigators have about her. That is, she makes her employees break the law, out of fear of retribution by her. And there is another case against Palin that wont be heard until after the election, which has the element of Palin making her employees routinely break the law. That case is the one about Palin using Yahoo instead of the state email system, to avoid the FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, and the NATIVE AMERICANS and SIERRA CLUB's investigations into her office.
Making employees break the law is particularly loathsome.

VOTE OBAMA in 08.

End the repression of the fear-monger party.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 11, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Oh yes! cindy McCain is SUCH a shining example of moral rectitude! The trophy wife who stole the husband of the faithful woman who waited 5 years for her husband to come home from Viet Nam only to be dumped by the ungrateful SOB! She criticizes Obama for something HER hubby also did...voting against funding for the troops. McCain was REAL worried about his son, the soldier, that day, wasn't he? She's a blonde bimbo. Who cares what she has to say?

Posted by: susanr1 | October 11, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Let's cut the bull-this election is not about the "issues"-it's about race. Plain and simple if Barack Obama was not a black man there would be no question as to who the most qualified candidate is. Not only was he qualified to become a Senator but also to teach some of the greatest minds in this nation. He is a Harvard graduate for goodness sakes and Princeton (where he taught) is also a school that many of America's most intelligent and dedicated scholars aspire to attend. To be granted admission or employment at either of these universities is a major accomplishment and that is an understatement. Whereas, McCain was a prisoner of war and not to minimize his experience, however, the majority of veterans in this country are struggling to survive on limited benefits, and I often see them on the highway exit with signs saying "will work for food," not elected officials married to an heiress. I would also question the mental stability of someone who had undergone such a torturous and I am sure traumatic experience (as can be seen through his irrational decisions). Bush's only qualification was that he is his father's successor. As his father's successor the hidden agenda which he went into office with has put the future of this nation in great jeopardy. Even now with the economy at an all time low it almost seems to be politically orchestrated. As Obama's polls went up the market went down and now if he does win the election he is faced with trying to amend in four years what hasn't been undone in the decades since "Reaganomics" evolved. I read in on eof the posts that Cindy is actually a caring woman who has an adoptee from Bangladesh. Well if you were familiar with any of the McCain skeletons this adoption could be surmised as a coverup for her frequent trips to Bangladesh during the drug addiction from which she has "recovered." Of course, since the McCains haven't released medical (or TAX)records for all we know she could be on maintenance drugs right now. I also question the fact that they would actually send their son into this war. In my opinion, that is a sentiment to fact that they are fully supportive of the war effort in Iraq which we have already concluded was a bad call. Our involvement seven years into a war that has been waging since biblical times is absolutely ridiculous. The motive for this war war was money (oil$$). The cost of gas has almost tripled in price during the last 8 years and suprisingly as the run comes to end it's going back down?? Electing a leader with some credibilty and integrity might actually get us some favor on an international spectrum, especially since as I type there is some nation reporting on how stupid Americans are to actually consider McPalin for Pres!

Posted by: theanswer08 | October 9, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

For the hate-montering, racist baiting campaign of Palin/McCain:
Shame on you!
"At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols." Aldous Huxley

Posted by: USAfuture | October 9, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The SLEAZE MACHINE is at it's best. Looks like all the energy is going to flow into how Obama was heavily involved in domestic terrorism and blew up the Pentagon and the Capital Building! OH MY GOD!

McCain doesn't give people much credit for being able to "think and rationalize" to differentiate for themselves fact from fiction. It won't take much to figure out that McCain and Palin are desperately trying to take the attention OFF the real issues because they realize they are not going to come even close to winning this election in an honorable way. The electorate fell for it once with Bush, but I don't believe it will work again. Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice; shame on me!

Posted by: inewsmaster | October 9, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

4avocats, the "dirtiest" campaigns were Jackson or Jefferson (but this one is not over yet).

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain is brittle and empty. As a drug addicted, abused woman--she has been brain-washed to say what ever her abuser's campaign programs her to say.

Posted by: VotingObamaBiden08 | October 9, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain should be ashamed. Not just for using her deployed son as a campaign accessory, but for claiming that Obama is running the "dirtiest campaign in history." The dirtiest campaign to date was the one Bush ran against McCain and his family--including the rumor actively circulated in Carolina during the primary that McCain had an illegitimate mixed race child (apparently referring to the McCains' adopted daughter). What do the McCains do after this vicious attack? Hire THE SAME PEOPLE who made it to try to run Obama's name into the ground. For Mrs. McCain herself to stand up and say the words put in her mouth by these mudslingers is disgusting. And John McCain is a coward for not making the sleazy charges he is slinging to Obama's face.

Posted by: 4avocats | October 9, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

John McCain. Wanted Joe Lieberman as his vice president but his handlers told him no. Suspended his campaign because he dropped in the polls. Lost the debate according to the polls. Said 22 times between 1-1-08 and 9-15-08 that the fundamentals of the economy were strong before the financial market bottomed out. Losing in Michigan and suspended his campaign. Palin disagrees with McCain about Michigan. McCain did not clear this move with Boss Palin. John McCain. Ready to retire. Not ready to lead..... 27 days until McCain and the McCainites explode and self destruct.

There are similarities between ex-Vice President Spiro Agnew and Sarah Palin..V-P Agnew-Failed to report to IRS $29,500. Had to resign from office-10-73...Sarah Palin-Failed to report to IRS $17,000 for her travel allowance and $43,000 for her family travel allowance. Currently under investigation.

The McCainites are upset. They don't know what to do. They look at McCain like he is the Mighty Casey. They must feel like they are in Muddville. As the days go by there is no joy in McCainville because the Mighty McCain is striking out and has two strikes against him.

DEBATE-1-Obama v. McCain-Obama Wins. Senator Obama looked and acted presidential and won the debate. McCain looked and acted like a grumpy old grinch....STRIKE ONE AGAINST MIGHTY McCAIN

DEBATE-2-Obama v. McCain-Obama Wins. Senator Obama looked and acted presidential and won the debate. McCain looked and acted like a grumpy old grinch....STRIKE 2 AGAINST MIGHTY McCAIN

DEBATE-Biden v. Palin-Biden Wins. Senator Biden looked and acted Vice Presidential and won the debate. Palin looked and acted like she was trying out for Saturday Night Live....McCAIN CALLS FOR A TIME OUT

Posted by: Rias10 | October 9, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

To Neo1153: I find your post very interesting. I work with a former Navy fighter pilot who surprised with me with how much he dislikes Bush and Cheney (and Rumsfeld). I told him that I tend to think of military personnel as being very pro-Republican. He said that he used to think the same way, but he knows many, many current and ex-military people who are adamantly opposed to the Bush administration and their treatment of the military. I think many Americans -- including our brave young men and women in the military -- have moved beyond the old school of thought that on Republicans can be strong on defense and national security.

Anyway, thank you to your son and his girlfriend for the amazing sacrifice they have given for our country!

Posted by: sdecker | October 9, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

McCain is trying to get Obama Killed. Post this everywhere and stop this atmosphere from being created. Should Obama bring to the forefront the fact that McCain and Palin are creating an atmosphere that may prove to be very dangerous for Obama? Obama is still campaigning across the country in outdoor settings and someone could attempt to assassinate him. All this use of the word terrorist, traitor and treason is outrageous. The Blogs have increasingly become hostile, not only towards Obama but those who support him. Lately, journalist as well have been threatened on blogs and publicly ostracized by right wing fanatics. Should America be concerned that those who will "potentially" be leaders of this country are intentionally creating a volatile atmosphere where someone could be killed. Especially, during these tumultuous times. A man has killed his whole family because of financial difficulty. A 90 year old woman has shot herself in the chest because she was losing her home. If Obama had an unhealthy relationship with Bill Ayers wouldn't the FBI had done something about this already? Wouldn't they have been asking these questions and not McCain? Do they (McCain and Palin) not understand the country we live in? There are crazies and all types of Racist and Conspiracy minded individuals in this country that will stop at nothing once their beliefs are realized. McCain and Palin are doing an injustice to this country.

Posted by: thesube | October 9, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

America needs to ask themselves....

"WHO THE HEL$ IS SARAH PALIN?" WHAT WOODS DID THEY SCOOP HER ARSE FROM"...ALL WE KNOW IS WHAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT AND SEEN IN THE PAST FIVE WEEKS...HER APPROVAL RATINGS ARE SPIRALING DOWN LIKE A STORM AND HER RHETORIC CONTINUES TO CONFIRM THAT SHE IS TOTALLY A MORONIC IDIOT WHILE CONFIRMING THAT SHE IS ONLY G.E.D. MATERIAL....1"

AMERICA, ASK YOURSELVES ONE QUESTION...WE'VE BEEN VETTING OBAMA AND MICHELLE FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS...WE ONLY MET THIS HILLBILLY, EMPTY HEADED BAFOON SARAH PALLIN FIVE WEEKS AGO AND THE MCCAIN'S CAMP DIDN'T THOROUGHLY VET HER ARSE...

Why aren't the news media outlets doing this...when this election is over...many of those stations will loose ratings and money...for the failure to get thier jobs done

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 9, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I live on Florida's west coast. This may be only anecdotal but... My 26 yr old stepson has done 3 combat tours (Army) in OIF. Yesterday he took his first time voter 26 yr old girlfreind (also Army- Iraq vet) to register to vote. With bad memories of what Rumsfeld and his cast of neocon friends did, they are both ardent Obama supporters. I went to a unit picnic with them a few weeks back and was surprised by the similar view of many of the soldiers I ate with. Just my observation, but I smell change coming. All of Palin's wisecracks, venom, and inability to speak articulately about what really matters won't change this. McCain is truly in trouble here in Florida.
Gee Cindy, our vets aren't so stupid, they know Johnboy rates a D on veterans issues.

Posted by: Neo1153 | October 9, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin: "As between McCain and Obama for President following a terrorist attack, I'll pick McCain."

I have no doubt that's true. I'll pick Obama/Biden and sleep much better at night.

Posted by: sdecker | October 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin: Your premise on this whole terrorist attack vs. how it would determine the outcome of any election is completely flawed. A terrorist attack can never specifically affect any one political group, save for a circumstance where a terrorist would actually target a political rally being held for one candidate. And if that is what you are suggesting, then it truly is scary how conservative idealogues are thinking nowadays! Are you actually crunching the numbers to determine whether John McCain can win if some terrorist kills a bunch of Obama supporters?

But let's face it: The make-up of the world is very random, indeed. I look at my own life: I live in a townhome. My neighbor to the left is a registered Independent. My neighbor to the right is a registered Republican. If a terrorist were to target the homes on my street (which is in Maryland -- a very solidly Democratic state), they would still take out voters from every party. Actually, the terrorist would take out more Republicans than Independents or Democrats -- because my Independent neighbor and myself are single, and the Republicans are a married couple.

Of course, all this terrorist talk is nonsensical hyperbole, anyway. I fear a crushing financial crisis more than I fear a terrorist attack!

Posted by: sdecker | October 9, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, Maverick or Judas Horse?

Maverick
1: an unbranded range animal ; especially : a motherless calf 2: an independent individual who does not go along with a group or party

OR?

Judas Horse
1: A domestic horse which has been trained to lead wild horses into a trap. ie the slaughter house.

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

As between McCain and Obama for President following a terrorist attack, I'll pick McCain.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin: Your premise may be that voters need stability after a terrorist attack (and I do not dispute that point), but McCain has not shown himself to be the steady hand at the rudder in times of crisis. In fact, McCain has yet to reestablish his footing in the midst of the financial turmoil of the last few weeks.

Your question as to McCain Cabinet picks ("Romney for Treasury; Lieberman for Defense; Giuliani for Justice") actually does raise an interesting question for me. To wit, if Romney had won the Republican nomination, and Obama was still the Democratic nominee, who would I support? I have asked that question many times of myself. To be honest, I'm not sure. I actually like Romney far more than any of the other Republican candidates, and far more than any Republican that I personally know likes Romney. And he may make a suitable Treasury Secretary. But, at this point, I don't see that happening. (And, personally, I keep thinking that Bloomberg should be tapped as Treasury Secretary if Obama wins the election.) As for Lieberman and Giuliani, I wouldn't vote for either of them for dog catcher! Giuliani is a tool, and in my heart of hearts, I really wanted Giuliani to get the Republican nomination. Lieberman is a hypocrite and has no respect for America or the electoral process. I have had no use for Joe Lieberman since he ignored the Connecticut voters' mandate and voted him out of office in the primaries. I don't care that they voted him back in during the election; that was a mistake on the Connecticut voters' part. I hope they vote him out again this time around!!!!

Posted by: sdecker | October 9, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

sdecker, I don't think anyone should go around specifically targeting Obama supporters, anymore than I think that children of Democratic officerholders should specifically hack into the opposing Vice-Presidential candidate's email accounts.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Just for easy comparison, in California 2004, John Kerry got 6,745,485 votes vs. Bush's 5,509,826 votes. That's only a difference of 1.2 million. And, the terrorists wouldn't even have to kill that many. If they took out just half that number in Los Angeles (850,000) and San Francisco (250,000), that would have switched both counties to Bush's column. I'm not saying I want some horrible tragedy to happen. I'm just saying "Don't count your chickens before they hatch" or, in this case, vote. This is only one of many possible scenarios that McCain still wins this election.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin: Say it ain't so, Joe! There ya go again with all that threatmongering! Are you suggesting that someone is going to go around specifically targeting Obama supporters?

McCain Talking Point: "Timeline for defeat." But be honest: McCain voted against the bill because it involved a timeline. Obama voted against the bill because it didn't contain a timeline. No one can say that establishing a timeline will result in either victory or defeat. But establishing a timeline is certainly a much better approach than just throwing precious lives and money at the war.

It doesn't matter that Biden disagreed with Obama's vote. I actually expect Obama and Biden to have civilized disagreements. Reasonable people do disagree. And that is how the world should be.

Didn't you mean "that one"?

Posted by: sdecker | October 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Some five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens, according to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.

In America an illegal alien was arrested this year in Tucson, Arizona after allegedly using a stolen social security number to buy two homes and rack up over $780,000 in bad debt.

It's not known how many of those have contributed to the subprime housing mortgage meltdown, but it has affected every state.

The problem began years ago when banks were forced to give mortgages without confirming social security numbers or borrower identification. As a result, illegal immigrants were able to obtain home mortgages which they could not afford and then walked away from.

This is no longer isolated communities whose corrupt Politicians, Governors, Mayors and elected officials, who haven't sold America to the open-border Special interest lobby for campaign contributions.

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Posted by: infinity555 | October 9, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I know that Bush is not running (although you may want to let "McSame" and "McMini-W" posters in on that fact). It was my simple analogy to highlight the fact that America was in shock after 9/11 and needed stability. The "change" candidate would not that if a million Americans were targeted in a couple major cities. What if McCain announced the following Cabinet picks:

Romney for Treasury
Lieberman for Defense
Giuliani for Justice

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

sdecker, what if there simply aren't as many Obama voters left alive?

Also, Cindy did not have the same reaction to her husband's vote. A timeline for defeat is why McCain voted against that bill. Very different than Obama's vote to defund the war outright, don't you think? Of course, as I pointed out yesterday, Obama's vote sent a cold chill through Joe Biden's body too (that was BEFORE he sold his soul to "The One").

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin writes: "Again, sdecker, don't count your chickens before they hatch. God forbid, but what if the terrorists attack us right now, when we are already faltering with the economy? I doubt many people wanted to swtich Presidents right after 9/11."

Of course, the flaw in your reasoning is that: (1) we are not switching Presidents (i.e., there is no incumbent running this race); (2) threat of a terrorist attack tomorrow is no reason for people to change their vote, regardless of the candidate they intend to vote for today. The threatmongering that we saw throughout the 2004 election has been replaced in this election by a much more tangible threat -- the economic stability of our country. And voters are loudly stating that they want a President who can handle the economic crisis. And they're saying that Obama is the candidate who can tackle that crisis.

Posted by: sdecker | October 9, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

What bothers me most about Cindy McCain's horrible diatribe yesterday is that she uses her children in the same exact way that the Cheneys use their children. On the one hand, they couldn't be more proud of the fact that their children represent whatever they -- as politicans -- need their children to represent. In the case of the Cheneys, their gay daughter represents the Cheneys' tolerance toward homosexuals ... and the Cheneys trotted her and her homosexuality out every chance they could. In the case of the McCains, their son in the military represents the McCains' patriotism and sacrifice for America ... and they trot him and his military service out every chance they get. But God forbid anyone else should mention their kids!

So you have to wonder if it struck a chill down Cindy McCain's spine when John McCain -- her own husband and father of Cindy's soldier son -- cast a vote against funding the troops? When John went home that evening, did Cindy stand there -- thin lips peeled back in a menacing sneer ... beady, mascara-slathered eyes boring into the black little soul of John McCain -- and tell John McCain that he had just voted to abandon his own son? Did Cindy allow that Grinchly smile of hers to tap dance across her face as the assembled family members booed and jeered at John and shouted "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!"

Posted by: sdecker | October 9, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Again, sdecker, don't count your chickens before they hatch. God forbid, but what if the terrorists attack us right now, when we are already faltering with the economy? I doubt many people wanted to swtich Presidents right after 9/11.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

So what I say is: Fine. Go ahead, McCain and Palin, with your baseless attacks on Barack Obama. Go right ahead and throw your verbal red meat out to your ravenous, slavering fanatical supporters who can't wait to yell things like "terrorist" and "kill him" and "No-bama." Go ahead and waste your supporters' time and energy by trying to paint a United States Senator as a radical Muslim terrorist. Go ahead and trot Cindy McCain out and let her whine about how Obama didn't support her son when he was serving in Iraq -- even though any person with even a modicum of intelligence would know that establishing a timeline to end the U.S. presence in Iraq so that U.S. soldiers are not bogged down there forever is a more thoughtful approach to the Iraq War than just throwing precious human lives and money at the problem. If that's how the McCain-Palin camp wants to waste their time, I say, "Go ahead!" I have all the time in the world. But when John McCain wakes up on Wednesday, November 5, and wonders "What happened," I'll be happy to be the one to tell him that he ran a fey and feckless campaign and never gave voters anything that they really needed in order to feel good about pulling the lever for John McCain.

Posted by: sdecker | October 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

alan, don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse


If McCain keeps campaigning like this, the republicans will not be able to blame Bush/Cheney for their defeat in Nov. It will be all McCain/Palin.

Obama by landslide in 08

Posted by: alan15 | October 9, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Vets group slams McCain on voting record

By Rick Maze - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Oct 8, 2008 12:38:28 EDT

The nation’s most prestigious group for Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans released a congressional scorecard on Tuesday that ranks Republican presidential candidate John McCain as having one of the worst voting records when it comes to supporting troops and veterans.

The grade is due to his absence on several key votes on military and veterans’ issues over the last two years.

McCain, ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and a decorated Navy fighter pilot who spent 5½ years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, received a D on the report card from Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. He is one of nine lawmakers — four senators and five members of the House of Representatives — who received a D or F from the nonprofit, nonpartisan group.

McCain’s presidential campaign staff did not respond to calls asking for comment on the report.

Two people — both Republicans — received an F: Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas.

For senators, scores were based on 10 votes involving increased funding for veterans’ programs, expansions of benefits, a vote to purchase Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles and four separate votes at various stages of consideration of the Post-9/11 GI Bill of Rights and co-sponsorship of the bill.

McCain’s Democratic challenger, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, received a B on the report card, the same grade received by Obama’s vice presidential running mate, Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del. Obama and Biden also missed key votes; Obama missed four and Biden three.

Fifty-five senators received an A on the report card.

In the House, grades were based on 13 votes and co-sponsorship of the full-tuition GI Bill benefits that became law earlier this year. Votes included increasing veterans’ funding and benefits, a veterans’ suicide prevention bill, a bill giving refugee status to translators who worked with U.S. troops in Iraq, expanded wounded warrior treatment programs and a bill ending the government’s policy of requiring repayment of bonuses for people who did not complete their military obligation because of death or disability. Five House members received a D, but 250 others received an A.

Vanessa Williamson of IAVA said the grades are based on items drawn from the association’s legislative agenda, which was provided to every congressional office.

Getting a good score was not that difficult because many of the votes on veterans’ issues were unanimous or nearly unanimous. In the Senate, only three votes on the Post-9/11 GI Bill made a significant difference in grades. In the House, two votes on the GI Bill and a 2007 vote about whether Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans should be given two years or five years of no-questions asked health care from the Department of Veterans Affairs made the difference.

One hundred fifty lawmakers received perfect scores.

Posted by: Rias10 | October 9, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

There's a saying down here in Texas: "Heels on, gloves off!" Go get 'em, girls.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

No, Rias10, she's not upset at those votes because there's a reason behind each one. The reason behind Obama's vote to not fucd the troops was to force us out of Iraq, even if it meant killing troops in the process. Even Joe Biden saw through that (once upon a time).

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain said she was upset with Senator Obama because of his vote. She must stay upset with her husband because of his constant voting against veteran benefits and rights.

McCain:
● Did not support new GI bill legislation because he thought it was too generous and would result in soldiers choosing to go to school instead of reenlisting. This bill passed 75-22 and McCain was one of three Senators who didn't show up to vote. Only after the bill was attached to the war funding request of the Bush administration, did McCain vote for the Webb bill. All 22 votes against the bill were by Republicans.
● Voted against providing at least $19 billion for military health facilities, paid for by eliminating tax cuts for the wealthy.
● Voted against providing $2.8 billion to increase veterans' medical care.
● Voted against establishing a $1 billion trust fund to provide improvements to health facilities that treat veterans and military personnel paid for by allowing dividends and capital gains tax breaks, for those with incomes greater than $1 million, to lapse.
● Voted against increasing medical services to veterans by $1.5 billion in 2007, paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
● In April 2006, McCain was one of 13 Senators to vote against $430 million for medical services for VA outpatient care and treatment for veterans. Despite his vote against, it passed overwhelmingly, 84-13. All 13 voting against were Republicans.

She should have told about her prescription drug addiction.

1989- Cindy McCain became addicted to Percocet and Vicodin, opioid painkillers. The addiction progressed to where she was taking upwards of twenty pills a day, and she resorted to having an American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) physician write illegal prescriptions.

1993- An AVMT employee, who had discovered her illegal drug use, was terminated on budgetary grounds. Subsequently, he tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration, and a federal investigation ensued resulting in Cindy McCain paying the costs of the government's investigation, and enrolling in a diversion program. and doing community service. In a move that critics described as a preemptive strike, Cindy McCain publicly revealed her past addiction: "Although my conduct did not result in compromising any missions of AVMT, my actions were wrong, and I regret them."

1994-The former AVMT employee filed a wrongful termination lawsuit against Cindy McCain, which he told her he would settle for $250,000. In response, her lawyer characterized this request as blackmail and requested that officials investigate the former AVMT employee for extortion. In the end, both the former AVMT employee lawsuit and the extortion investigation against him were dropped.

Posted by: Rias10 | October 9, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Charlie Dent is not a Democrat, as indicated in the original article. Please correct; thanks.

Posted by: randmtask7 | October 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Ohioan,

We have been listening to McCain, that is why people are going to Obama. I guess you HAVENT been listening to McCain.......

Posted by: rharring | October 9, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

What she forgot to mention is that McCain urged Bush to veto the bill she says Obama was against. I guess she is back on the pills.....

Posted by: rharring | October 9, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I would like to tell Cindy McCain that my nephew served a tour in Iraq and is now serving one in Afghanistan. When John McCain opposed the GI Bill that would ensure better education and health benefits for our soldiers and veterans, cold chills ran up and down MY spine. I'd like to know how a "man" who wore this country's uniform and has supposedly served the interests of the common man for so long could oppose legislation that would help our fighting heroes. Maybe her husband should watch our soldiers when they come home and see how they are left behind to suffer the effects of post traumatic stress syndrome when there is little help for them. McCain came back to a rich family who could afford to take care of his needs. Other vets don't fare so well.

Posted by: tgatsby | October 9, 2008 1:27 AM


Exactly. McCain should be ashamed of himself. Decency demands that he sees that vets are cared for, rather than warehoused like broken equipment.

He's served, yes, but it's as if he's learned NOTHING from his own experiences. Never mind the incendiary comments and wildly irresponsible choices his campaign has been making!

Policy disagreements aside, he is no longer an honorable person...if he ever was.

Posted by: owl1 | October 9, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

If we are talking about character, Cindy McCain had an affair with a married man. Oh, and THAT man was John McCain. He was still married to his wife who had been in a horrible car accident. He dumped her for Cindy when she needed him the most. No wonder Christians favor Obama.

Posted by: buildhope | October 9, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I think it's time we focused on this woman's beer lobbyists in Washington, fighting any regulation of alcohol consumption, including labelling on containers, and opposing such organizations as Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Meanwhile, she's collecting the profits and giving her husband a comfortable old age. If you can't stand the heat, Cindy.....

Posted by: Brooklyn3 | October 9, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

To "mceversole"

What debate were you watching? I saw an excellent performance demonstrating the features we will see in either man elected. Obama, cool and collected speaking from intellect and ability. McCain, wobbling and holding on to past issues.

And, did you notice who remained in the gallery, speaking to citizens and showing true ability to connect? The Obamas, Mr. AND Mrs. The McCains stayed long enough for a few handshakes and obligatory introductions and pooof! they were gone.

Now, to everyone else...

Did anyone see Michelle Obama on Lary King last night? Amazing lady! She is so kind in her views on Sarah Palin and the McCains (which they have done nothing to deserve from her) and yet she showed the traits everyone is giving Palin credit for, down to earth character, comfort in inviting to your home, having snacks with, understanding the meaning of middle class and being a part of it, and on and on...

Is McCain and friends all the republican party can come up with? Where is the youth of America? Right now I think they are mostly voting Dem. The Rep. party better wake up and move into the 21 century. Or they will be left behind.

Posted by: Wistar88 | October 9, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse


The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a non-profit, non-partisan veterans group composed of those who have fought in the nation's current wars, released its report cards October 7, 2008.

Sen. Barak Obama, received a good grade, a "B"

Sen. John McCain, received an unsatisfactory "D"

The organization said it based grades upon 22 votes from the 110th Congress covering a wide range of issues facing new veterans, from health care to support of homeless veterans. They included nine votes in the Senate and 13 in the House.

Posted by: wasRep-nowDem | October 9, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

McCain continues to claim that he is the veterans' pal. Most people assume that he is telling the truth about support for military veterans. In fact, he screws them every chance he gets. McCain has a terrible rating with veterans groups because he always votes against any benefits for veterans.- he opposed increases in educational benefits for returning veterans, he opposed increases in medical benefits for wounded veterans - check out his ratings with mainline veterans groups - he has about a 20% rating --In fact Obama has a 80% rating.

Posted by: Speaktruth | October 9, 2008 4:43 AM | Report abuse

I would like to tell Cindy McCain that my nephew served a tour in Iraq and is now serving one in Afghanistan. When John McCain opposed the GI Bill that would ensure better education and health benefits for our soldiers and veterans, cold chills ran up and down MY spine. I'd like to know how a "man" who wore this country's uniform and has supposedly served the interests of the common man for so long could oppose legislation that would help our fighting heroes. Maybe her husband should watch our soldiers when they come home and see how they are left behind to suffer the effects of post traumatic stress syndrome when there is little help for them. McCain came back to a rich family who could afford to take care of his needs. Other vets don't fare so well.

Posted by: tgatsby | October 9, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain is losing the election and he may lose by a landslide.

The McCain team is irresponsible, erratic, and foolish. Our country needs leaders and calmness. He and his team are evoking chaos and hatred when thoughtfulness and unity are needed. Of course, they are unifying mob mentality.

I cringe watching a recent rally. Bold-face lies that evoke these feelings towards Mr. Obama are shouted with hatred and contempt. Mixed up policies with everything and the kitchen sink are thrown to the mob. Wild chants -not unity or inspiration- but the hysteria of the mob. Yes, it makes me afraid. Someone can get hurt.

It is clear that Mr. McCain is taking the low road in the last days. Mrs. Palin and McCain cronies are leading the charge by stirring up a witches brew invoking hate, fear, racism, and worse. People are afraid for their future, some afraid of enemies abroad, and some afraid of enemies in this country, and some afraid of enemies in their neighborhood. Mixing that fear with deep and latent prejudices is not the actions of born again Christians or people who have the moral compass to lead. These people show their character and they are blind.

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 9, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

I love Cindy McCain. She always looks impeccable. I realize her designer outfits, costs tens of thousands of dollars most likely, but she represents the middle class.

Posted by: leeellison | October 9, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Hey unseenhope

Did you watch robert gibson take hannity to the wood shed last night?

Posted by: r4147824 | October 9, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

unseenhope

Stop listening to hannity. I know you need a hero but come hannity. Corsi is a fat lier. Have you ever been to kenya? Hannity make millions off entertaining fools like you.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 9, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

McCain, an American hero, is conducting the dirtiest campaign of which he should be ashamed. There is no honor in what he is doing during this campaign. He hiding behind two skirts now! Cindy and Sarah...a pair of air heads! Poor Cindy! She has to compete with Palin, because she was pushed into the back ground with the appearance of Palin on the scene.

Palin calls herself a Christian, but her words and actions testify to the contrary. She has become the attack dog for McCain, and has no qualms inciting the mob. Palin has shown herself to be a low down mean spirited woman.

I am so proud of Michelle Obama, who was so classy on Larry King today, while answering questions about Sarah Palin and Cindy McCain, and their attacks on Obama. Michelle showed what a true Christian is all about, with her kind remarks about both Cindy and Palin.

Posted by: pion54eer | October 8, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama deserves the criticism.

He made campaign trips to Kenya in support of the radical socialist (Odinga) who was willing to impose islamic law on people who are predominately non-muslim and who incited violence when he lost (only to negotiate his way to Prime Minister).

And yes, it is on tape.

Posted by: UnseenHope | October 8, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

First time ever, the words "cindy mccain" and "warm" used in conjunction with one another.

Posted by: jaho | October 8, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

She could have bought her son whole unit protective vest with that $300,000.00 dress she wore at the RNC convention.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 8, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain, stole narcotic prescriptions while working for an international charity orginization, along with buying percocett and vicodin on the street during her decade long drug habit.(while married to John McCain)
Cindy McCain, seduced a married John McCain which led him to divorce his crippled wife to marry the young(18 years his junior), filthy rich heiress of a beer baron. Today they have seven mansions, servants,a dozen imported cars etc.
Cindy McCain, who has had more face lifts than Joan Rivers.
Cindy McCain, contributed millions to John McCains campaigns thru the years.
Cindy McCain is even more abitious than her husband.
Cindy McCain is one spoiled, creepy woman.
Who cares what Cindy McCain thinks?

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 8, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

She looks a little schizophrenic.

Like you'd have a First Lady
and a Second Lady and a....

http://www.wilytrax.com

Posted by: WilyTrax | October 8, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't blame cindy. The only reason she stole john from his first wife because she had first lady aspirations. She aint gone let some dude that she think should be shining shoes take that away.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 8, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Go easy on Cindy McCain -- she may be a drug addict guilty of stealing from her own charity, which is a felony offence, but at least she had the courage to admit it.

Posted by: flavor13 | October 8, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Most people who are commenting on this topic are bashing Cindy McCain.I know that Cindy McCain is a wealthy woman.She is the heiress of a major beer manufacturing co.But she is also a good woman if you read up about her.She has several children.Her adopted daughter Bridget came from Bangledesh.Her sons are fighting in the Iraq war.Gov.Sarah Palin's son is also serving in Iraq.I think Cindy McCain will make a great first lady.She has alot to do with helping poor kids in ther countries, she also works with special needs kids. Gov.Palin has an agenda of working with special needs kids also.I would much rather see Cindy McCain as the 1st lady of the United States than Michelle Obama.It is hard to forget Michelle Obama's comment that "for the 1st time in her adult life she is proud of her country".Cindy McCain responded back in Feb.that she has always been VERY PROUD of this country.I thought McCain did a great job at the debate last night.Obama could bearly keep up with him!!There are still 27 days left until election day,so it's not too late for McCain to win this.Late decider's in the primary always voted for Hillary,because she was the one they trusted.I hope the last minute voter's will vote for McCain because he has the experience and judgement to turn the economy around and bring our troops home with victory!!!

Posted by: mceversole | October 8, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm a 64 yr old Navy veteran, registered Republican. My son is a combat infantry paratrooper, who has served 3 tours in Iraq & 2 in Afghanistan.
If John McCain put country first he would silently fold his tent and go away.
At this point in time he wouldn't recognize honor if he tripped over it.

Posted by: stbdtac | October 8, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain seems like a very warm, intelligent,sincere lady. The more she says, the more I like her. The McCain-Palin ticket is more progressive ticket, McCain will get things done and there's no question Palin doesn't mess around. Obama's answer to the question of priorities was very telling: he's going to address one at a time. Where McCain will simultaneously address the top issues.
We've got too many problems to address only
one at a time. Wake up America and start really listening to McCain!

Posted by: ohioan | October 8, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

OH, Cindy! I am sorry....I forgot to add this from the article....my bad!


"The McCains soon found themselves entangled in more legal trouble. In 1989, in behavior the couple has blamed in part on the stress of the Keating scandal, Cindy became addicted to Vicodin and Percocet. She directed a doctor employed by her charity — which provided medical care to patients in developing countries — to supply the narcotics, which she then used to get high on trips to places like Bangladesh and El Salvador.

Tom Gosinski, a young Republican, kept a detailed journal while working as director of government affairs for the charity. "I am working for a very sad, lonely woman whose marriage of convenience to a U.S. senator has driven her to . . . cover feelings of despair with drugs," he wrote in 1992. When Cindy McCain suddenly fired Gosinski, he turned his journal over to the Drug Enforcement Administration, sparking a yearlong investigation. To avoid jail time, Cindy agreed to a hush-hush plea bargain and court-imposed rehab.

Ironically, her drug addiction became public only because she and her husband tried to cover it up. In an effort to silence Gosinski, who was seeking $250,000 for wrongful termination, the attorney for the McCains demanded that Phoenix prosecutors investigate the former employee for extortion. The charge was baseless, and prosecutors dropped the investigation in 1994 — but not before publishing a report that included details of Cindy's drug use.

Notified that the report was being released, Sen. McCain leapt into action. He dispatched his top political consultant to round up a group of friendly reporters, for whom Cindy staged a seemingly selfless, Oprah-style confession of her past addiction. Her drug use became part of the couple's narrative of straight talk and bravery in the face of adversity.


Sorry cindy, I forgot to add your bravery here!!! oh dear! Nice $300,000 outfit at the convention. that money would have fed so many starving people....but that outfit was just YOU!!

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 8, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

oh Cindy. You live in your glass mansions. You want to question character? here, try this:

"...In the spring of 1979, while conducting official business for the Navy, the still-married McCain encountered Cindy Lou Hensley, a willowy former cheerleader for USC. Mutually smitten, the two lied to each other about their ages. The 24-year-old Hensley became 27; the 42-year-old McCain became 38. For nearly a year the two carried on a cross-country romance while McCain was still living with Carol: Court documents filed with their divorce proceeding indicate that they "cohabitated as husband and wife" for the first nine months of the affair.

Although McCain stresses in his memoir that he married Cindy three months after divorcing Carol, he was still legally married to his first wife when he and Cindy were issued a marriage license from the state of Arizona. The divorce was finalized on April 2nd, 1980. McCain's second marriage — rung in at the Arizona Biltmore with Gary Hart as a groomsman — was consummated only six weeks later, on May 17th. The union gave McCain access to great wealth: Cindy, whose father was the exclusive distributor for Budweiser in the Phoenix area, is now worth an estimated $100 million.

McCain's friends were blindsided by the divorce. The Reagans — with whom the couple had frequently dined and even accompanied on New Year's holidays — never forgave him. By the time McCain became a self-proclaimed "foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution" two years later, he and the Gipper had little more than ideology to bind them. Nancy took Carol under her wing, giving her a job in the White House and treating McCain with a frosty formality that was evident even on the day last March when she endorsed his candidacy. "Ronnie and I always waited until everything was decided and then we endorsed," she said. "Well, obviously, this is the nominee of the party."

such an admirable woman to send your child off to a war that is pointless so you can get political points. Wow, you are really SPECIAL.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 8, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Trailer Trash with money. They run in packs... ignore her

Posted by: markscoular | October 8, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I would like to tell Cindy McCain that "the day that Senator MCCAIN decided to cast a vote to not fund my HUSBAND when he HAD SERVED 21 YEARS sent a cold chill through my body". She should ask her husband why he has not been fighting for the veterans of America. He and his friend George Bush have been living vicariously through the lives of the thousands of young men they send out to Iraq. Cindy McCain seems to be comfortable talking to a crowd from afar. Can someone explain her body language after the second debate? What about her hands held behind her back? She didn't shake hands with the audience. Maybe she didn't want to shake hands with Senator Obama and his wife. Well, guess what, she had to anyway. And I'm not going to even talk about Sarah Palin. I'm a Christian and I can only say, may God have mercy on her when her time comes. And may God have mercy on America if that woman ever comes close to becoming President of the United States of America.

Posted by: bmjulia | October 8, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

We hope all the sons and daughters including cindy's will come back safe soon.

Posted by: tabita | October 8, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

boraxx: none of that [reasons!] matters to the Kool-aid drinkers.

One inane cliche against another.

Posted by: radicalpatriot | October 8, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain spoke??? Why is her son in Iraq? why are we in Iraq? When we leave - and we will - the Shia and Sunni will continue their acrimonious bloodbath...not to mention the Turks trying to wipe out the Kurds...Nice job Bushy...

Posted by: teammugs | October 8, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

blevins20061, none of that matters to the Kool-aid drinkers.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Sicking... These are some reasons I'm against Palin. Please add you own! Thanks. http://obscuredclarity.blogspot.com/2008/10/condensed-list-of-sarah-palin-facts.html

Posted by: boraxx | October 8, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

let's sum up Obama's Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual advisor and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of "God damn America" fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth.

Even apart from the details of the Obama-Ayers connection, two key points emerge:

-- Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm's length; and

-- Obama was consciously guided by Ayers' radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of ACA grant funds.

Since Obama is asking us to let him direct education spending by the federal government and wants us to trust his veracity, these are difficulties he will have to explain in order to get the votes to win.

Now that Obama is comfortably ahead in the polls, attention will understandably shift to him. We will want to know what kind of president he would make. The fact that, within the past 10 years he participated in a radical program of political education conceptualized by an admitted radical terrorist offers no reassurance.

Why did Obama put up with Ayers? Because he got a big job and $50 million of patronage to distribute to his friends and supporters in Chicago. Why did he hang out with Wright? Because he was new in town, having grown up in Hawaii and Indonesia and having been educated at Columbia and Harvard, and needed all the local introductions he could get to jumpstart his political career. Why was he so close to Rezko? Because he funded Obama's campaigns and helped him buy a house for $300,000 less than he otherwise would have had to pay.

Not a good recommendation for a president.

Oh, and did I mention ACORN?
ACORN!!!!!!!

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 8, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Bye.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Truth hurts Hon I know, buh bye.

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Good riddence.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's light and inspiration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFPVCfQ7uxM

Posted by: radicalpatriot | October 8, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'm done for now, one last bit of reading, nice evening to all.

Here's a memo from March 2008, by McCain's Campaign chairman that was worth the paper it was written on.

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/03/mccain_memo_respectful_campaig.html

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

A sincer Thank You to John McCain who is a true American.

Thank God for Sarah Palin; may she let the light shine where so many are blind.

Posted by: American101 | October 8, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Aww come on Mark, do Catholics make you uncomfortable? I promise I got over the guilt years ago. :0

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Be sure to have your facts first, especially if advising your Mom:

Corsi's Dull Hatchet
September 15, 2008
Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is a mishmash of unsupported conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods.
Summary
Despite its place near the top of The New York Times' nonfiction bestseller list, where it has been riding high for the past six weeks, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is not a reliable source of facts about Obama.

Corsi cites opinion columns and unsourced, anonymous blogs as if they were evidence of factual claims. Where he does cite legitimate news sources, he frequently distorts the facts. In some cases, Corsi simply ignores readily accessible information when it conflicts with his arguments. Among the errors we found:

Corsi claims that Obama "could claim to be a citizen of Kenya as well as of the United States." But the Kenyan Constitution specifically prohibits dual citizenship.
Corsi falsely states that Obama, who has admitted to drug use as a teenager, "has yet to answer" questions about whether he stopped using drugs. In fact, Obama has answered that question twice, including once in the autobiography that Corsi reviews in his book.
Corsi relies on claims from one of Obama's "closest" childhood friends to "prove" that Obama once was a practicing Muslim, without revealing that the witness later said he couldn't be certain about his claims and confessed to knowing Obama for only a few months.
Corsi claims that despite Obama's "rhetorically uplifting" speeches, the candidate has never detailed any specific plans. In fact, Obama's Web site is full of detailed policy proposals.

Analysis
Mary Matalin, the chief editor of the book's publisher, told The New York Times that the book is not political, but rather, "a piece of scholarship, and a good one at that." The prominent display of Corsi's academic title (he holds a Ph.D. in political science) seems clearly calculated to convey academic rigor. But as a scholarly work, "The Obama Nation" does not measure up. We judge it to be what a hack journalist might call a "paste-up job," gluing together snippets from here and there without much regard for their truthfulness or accuracy.

Corsi promises in his preface "to fully document all arguments and contentions I make, extensively footnoting all references, so readers can determine for themselves the truth and validity of the factual claims." Some of Corsi's claims do come complete with citations. But even a casual glance at Corsi's lengthy endnotes reveals that his "sources" include obscure Internet postings (which are themselves completely unsourced) and opinion columns from various conservative publications. In fact, on four occasions, Corsi cites himself as a source. Where Corsi does cite news sources, he sometimes presents only those that are consistent with his case while ignoring evidence that doesn't fit the picture he paints.

A comprehensive review of all the false claims in Corsi's book would itself be a book. Our review touches only on a few of the more blatant examples.


Careless Errors?


Even the best books sometimes contain errors that slip past both author and editor. But some of Corsi's inaccuracies can be debunked with a simple Internet search. In one instance, he makes an assertion that is disproved by the Obama biography that Corsi claims to be reviewing. These are the kinds of errors that people with a Ph.D. from Harvard don't usually make accidentally. For example, Corsi writes:

Corsi (page 103): Still Senator Barack Obama could claim to be a citizen of Kenya as well as of the United States. Obama can trace his heritage back to his mother, who was born in the United States and was an American citizen when he was born, and to his father, who was born in Kenya and was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born.



Min Choi/Threshold Editions
Corsi manages two false claims in these two short sentences. First, as we've already written, Kenya prohibits dual citizenship for anyone over the age of 21. So while one could make the case that Obama held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child and a youth, it's false to assert that he can claim dual citizenship now. Obama's claim to Kenyan citizenship expired more than two decades ago, on Aug. 4, 1982, when he turned 21 years old. This is a bit of elementary research that Corsi either overlooked or chose to ignore.

Corsi also overlooks basic history when he says Obama's father was a "Kenyan citizen" at the time of Obama's birth. Kenya was not yet a nation; it was officially "Kenya Colony" of Britain from 1920 through 1963, at which time it became "The Republic of Kenya." Obama's father was a British subject when his son was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. Kenya won its independence from the United Kingdom on December 12, 1963 – when Obama was 2 years old.

Corsi offers two more nice examples of easy-to-disprove claims when writing of Obama's early drug use. On page 76, Corsi states, "Why Obama chose to disclose he smoked marijuana and used cocaine at all remains a mystery." Actually, it's no mystery at all, at least to anyone who does a basic Internet search. Ours turned up a Washington Post article that reported:

Washington Post (Jan. 3, 2007): In an interview during his Senate race two years ago, Obama said he admitted using drugs because he thought it was important for "young people who are already in circumstances that are far more difficult than mine to know that you can make mistakes and still recover."

Corsi then slyly insinuates – without offering any evidence – that Obama might have "dealt drugs" in addition to using them. And he falsely claims that Obama has "yet to answer" whether he continued using drugs during his law school days or afterward.

Corsi (page 77): Still, Obama has yet to answer questions whether he ever dealt drugs, or if he stopped using marijuana and cocaine completely in college, or whether his drug usage extended into his law school days or beyond.

But the State Journal-Register of Springfield, Ill., reports Obama as saying in 2003 that he hadn't done drugs in more than 20 years, which means he wouldn't have done drugs in law school. Obama finished his undergraduate degree in 1983 and attended law school from 1988 to 1991. And that's the same answer that Obama gives in his autobiography, "Dreams from My Father," where he writes that shortly after his arrival as an undergraduate at Columbia University:

Obama ("Dreams," page 120): When Sadik lost his own lease, we moved in together. And after a few months of closer scrutiny, he began to realize that the city had indeed had an effect on me, although not the one he'd expected. I stopped getting high. I ran three miles a day and fasted on Sundays. For the first time in years, I applied myself to my studies and started keeping a journal of daily reflections and very bad poetry. Whenever Sadik tried to talk me into hitting a bar, I'd beg off with some tepid excuse, too much work or not enough cash.

So Obama has said at least twice that "he stopped using marijuana and cocaine completely in college," and one of those times is in the very book that Corsi is ostensibly reviewing.


Inconvenient Facts


Corsi ignores evidence that doesn't fit his chosen thesis. In discussing the baseless notion that Obama was secretly a Muslim at some point in his life, for example, Corsi relies heavily on published interviews with Zulfan Adi, an Indonesian who claimed to be one of Obama's closest childhood friends. Corsi writes:

Corsi (page 56): Adi said neighborhood Muslims worshipped in a nearby house. When the muezzin sounded the call to prayer, Adi remembered seeing Lolo [Obama's stepfather] and Barry [Obama] walk together to the makeshift mosque. "His mother often went to the church," Adi told the Times, "but Barry was a Muslim. I remember him wearing a sarong."

The "Times" is the Los Angeles Times, which did indeed report Adi's claims in a March 16, 2007, article. What Corsi leaves out is that the Chicago Tribune followed up on Adi's claims. When reporters for the Tribune interviewed Adi the following week, they received a much different response:

Chicago Tribune (March 25, 2007): Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

The Tribune also reported that "interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia." Corsi omits any reference to the Tribune article.

In fact, the entire third section of Corsi's book – titled "The Candidate Is the Message" – is a study in how to ignore evidence that doesn't fit. In one passage, Corsi complains:

Corsi (page 221): At the end of every rhetorically uplifting speech Obama gives about the future of hope, millions of listeners are still left pondering, "Now what exactly did he say?" If the politician is the message, as Axelrod and Obama have proclaimed, they can't forever avoid telling us what precisely that message is.

Contrary to Corsi's claim, Obama's Web site is packed with details of what he proposes to do if elected. He lays out descriptions of his policy proposals, including tax cuts for most families and increases for those making more than $250,000 per year; a $150 billion, 10-year program to develop alternative energy sources and more efficient vehicles; a proposal to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 troops and another to create a public health insurance plan for those whose employers don't offer health coverage. Whether or not one agrees with them, Obama has indeed presented detailed plans for dozens of policies. It's hard to see how anyone writing a book on Obama could fail to acknowledge their existence.


Guilt By Association


A frequent Corsi tactic is to point to some link between Obama and various unsavory persons and to imply that Obama somehow shares in their unsavoriness. He devotes an entire chapter to violent uprisings in Kenya following a disputed presidential election in 2007. The link to Obama? During a visit to Kenya in 2006, Obama and his wife, Michelle, arranged to take an AIDS test to publicly demonstrate the test's safety. While there, Obama spoke to the assembled crowd. Raila Odinga, one of the two candidates running for president, was on the stage when Obama spoke. Corsi concludes that the event constituted an endorsement of Odinga. He goes on to attribute all the violence in Kenya to an elaborate Odinga plot.

Corsi, however, offers no evidence that Obama actually did endorse Odinga. In fact, MSNBC reported that during that same trip, Obama also met with Mwai Kibaki, who was Odinga's opponent in that election, as well as with opposition leader Uhuru Kenyatta. And Human Rights Watch reported that both Odinga and Kibaki (or their supporters, anyway) had a hand in the violence that followed the election.

Other chapters offer more of the same regarding Obama's well-known connections to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, to former Weather Underground fugitive (and now longtime professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago) William Ayers, and Obama's friend Tony Rezko, recently convicted in a celebrated corruption trial. Nowhere does Corsi demonstrate that Obama agrees with what Wright or Ayers have said or done, or that he broke any laws as Rezko did. Corsi completely ignores what Obama actually says about both Wright and Ayers. Nowhere in the book will be found Obama's March 14 statement rejecting Wright, when Obama said, "I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country," or Obama's April 16 comment on Ayers, whom he said "engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old." Nor does Corsi offer anything new connecting Obama to Rezko, a relationship we've addressed twice in earlier articles.

Attempting to discredit Obama because of an association with unsavory people rather than with actual proof that Obama shares their views is an instance of a logical fallacy that philosophers call guilt-by-association. Corsi uses the technique to fill chapters three through seven.


Corsi's Track Record


Corsi is a renowned conspiracy theorist who says that George Bush is attempting to create a North American Union (we looked at that here) and that there is evidence that the World Trade Center may have collapsed because it was seeded with explosives. More recently, Corsi claimed that Obama released a fake birth certificate. We've debunked that twice now. And, as our colleagues at PolitiFact.com found, many of the themes in "The Obama Nation" are reworked versions of bogus chain e-mail smears.

Logically, any argument should rise or fall on its own merits, not the reputation of the person making it. A logical fallacy – known as the "genetic fallacy" – occurs when someone rejects an argument based on its origins. The correctness of a claim should be judged by the relationship the claim has with the rest of the world.

Nevertheless, a practical rule of thumb for everyday living is to rely on sources that have proven themselves to be trustworthy, and to check even on those when an issue is in dispute.

In Corsi's case, we judge that both his reputation and his latest book fall short when measured by the standards of good scholarship, or even of mediocre journalism.

– by Joe Miller
Sources
"Frank Talk about Drug Use in Obama's 'Open Book'," The State Journal-Register (Springfield, IL). 16 November 2003.

The British Nationality Act, 1948. 1948. 24 August 2008.

"The Constitution of Kenya." 1963 (revised, 2001). The Parliament of Kenya. 24 August 2008.

Romano, Lois, "Effect of Obama's Candor Remains to Be Seen." Washington Post. 3 January 2007.

Corsi, Jerome R. "The Obama Nation." Threshold Editions, 2008.

Obama, Barack. "Dreams from My Father." Three Rivers Press, 2004.

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Figures.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

John and Cindy McCain along with Gov Palin are stretching the truth about not voting for additional funding for the troops. There were two versions of the bill one with a timeline (Obama voted for this version) John McCain voted for the version without a timeline.

Posted by: inrealdeep2 | October 8, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Author Jerome Corsi went to Kenya to do more research on Chapter 4 of his book- "Obama-Nation."

(He was NOT there on a "book tour"- as reported on the news- Who the heck goes on a book tour in Kenya?)

While there, Corsi was able to get e-mails from Senator Barack Obama TO Odinga (Obama's family TRIBE in Kenya) and vice versa- regarding the then, upcoming Kenyan election.

These e-mails from Obama- directed Odinga to correspond through Mark Lippert- in the Senator's office.

However- Obama used his expertise as a community organizer- to advise Odinga on organizing, campaign finance and strategy- for them to get radical Muslim Odinga's Presidency and overthrow - and the Muslim Jihad and take over of Sharia Law vs. the other side (which I can't even begin to spell).

Part of the "advice" was "if Odinga loses" (which he did) in December 2007

The advice?

Cry "Voter Fraud."
Whip up animosity between the tribes.
RIOT !!!
And they burned 800 Christian churches and murdered countless tribes-people.

And Obama had STARTED this "mission" as a seated United States Senator - on a fact finding tour to Kenya in 2006- paid for by the United States taxpayer -SURPRISE !!!!

And Obama kept in touch with Odinga DAILY via cell phone to Kenya while on the Obama campaign trail back here in the states

Back to Corsi- the Kenyan Immigration authorities "swept down" on Corsi and his crew - and tried to put them in detention.
Corsi said- ."Don't try to detain me if you can't charge me with anything." (His papers ver not in order!)

The Kenyans backed down and let him leave. (But not before the armed guard told him "Don't ever come back to this country. I'll see you in HELL).

Funny part is- the officials packed up Corsi's "stuff" at the hotel and neglected to go through his papers- so Corsi was able to "escape" with all his proof about this SCANDAL - intact! (Thank you, Kenyan thugs).

So now- let's see the main stream media bury THIS latest BOMB.

Read about it at: www.worldnetdaily.com

On a personal note, my Mom has been depending on me to keep her current on the election and I was telling her about what's been going on.
She said "How come it's not on TV? My friends and I watch the news (NBC, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS) -
She was truly perplexed when I explained that journalism is officially DEAD this election cycle- and all the anchors are deliberately keeping this news from the American public and that Edward R. Murrow is rolling over in his GRAVE.

God Bless America.

(And watch your back Corsi!)
* World Net Daily Bio:
Jerome Corsi holds a Ph.D in Political Science from Harvard University and in 1981 was designated top-secret clearance by the Reagan administration to provide government officials with anti-terrorism training and hostage survival. In addition to his political science expertise, he has helped develop international financial-services companies specializing in securities products.

Posted by: CoolPillow | October 8, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Catholic, why?

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

And some more:
McCain’s War against Veterans, stories debunking the myth that Senator McCain votes to support our troops with his votes in the US Senate. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080602/beutler

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/23/mccain-vet-awards/

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

Ask the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, Disabled Veterans of America, Vietnam Veterans of America, American Legion, or the national commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the unanimous answer is – Senator Barack Obama of course! McCain voted against our troops MANY times in the senate. John McCain voted AGAINST $20 million dollars for veteran care facilities. John McCain voted AGAINST $322 million for safety equipment for our troops in Iraq. John McCain voted AGAINST $1 billion dollars in new equipment for the National Guard. McCain voted AGAINST Jim Webb's G.I. Bill. AGAINST $430 million for veterans outpatient care. Obama voted in support of all of em

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

When is McCain up for re-election in the senate?

Posted by: JRM2 | October 8, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Classb4Trash, that depends on what your definition of "pal" is. Since you brought it up, what "church" do you attend?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his hate-group better hope nothing happens to Obama or he'll be seen as the one who whipped 'em all up.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 8, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Way to Go Mr. Mccain, have your women do your dirty work, sad sad caricture of a once honorable POW. I'll ask my church to pray for you

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

dtmpkns, one. How many have you broken?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Here's a CNN fact check article about Ayers: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/ Basically, it boils down to lies and nonsense by Republicans.

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Palin is the woman we have all encountered in our work lives, she doesn't care about helping other women, she is nasty and back stabbing, she cares only for her career path and blocking anyone else's who is in the way. This type of woman gives all other career minded women a bad rep. A truly frigthening pot stirrer and is the type that will cause pain to anyone not on her page. I once interviewed a women for a lower management position. Her resume was a bit thin but we decided to give her a shot in the interview process. She spent the entire time twirling her hair, distracting all of us from the point of the discussion. She never gave a clear and concise answer to any question posed to her, she was nice, she came across as likeable, but in the end she had absolutely no substance....I am reminded of that interview whenever Palin winks, sixpacks, or hockey moms me....annoying, distracting and makes me realize she is hiding behind the false bravado due to her lack of intelligence.

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QIGJTHdH50
AFL-CIO's Richard Trumka on Racism and Obama

$3 million dollar Projector? McCain, more and more lies.

http://www.adlerplanetarium.org/pressroom/pr/2008_10_08_AdlerStatement_aboutdebate.pdf

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 8, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain could well afford to cover expenses of her sons and Palin could also afford two throw in a good amount of $$$$. To begin with, this ILLEGAL WAR IS THE WAR GEORGE BUSH BEGAN AND JOHN MCCAIN WANTS TO KEEP THE ARMED FORCES IN THE MID EAST FOR ABOUT 100 YEARS, SO WHAT IS HER GRIOE. have another poke ole girl and you will feel better. PERHAPS THE THOUSANDS OF MEN,WOMEN AND CHILDREN THAT YOUR DEAR DEVOTED HUSBAND WANTS TO KEEP IN IRA,AFGAN.,AND IRAN ARE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED AID, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT FROM MCCAIN, NOT IF HIS BOSS, BUSH HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT. LOCK IT UP BABE(YOUR MOUTH, THAT IS), GO TO ONE OF YOUR MANY HOMES AND KEEP YOUR STUPID REMARKS TO YOURSELF

Posted by: LOONYBIN2000 | October 8, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Right on, Cindy!!!!!...

Posted by: DL13 | October 8, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone done a count of how many of the Ten Commandmments the McCain/Palin ticket has broken over the course of their lifetimes? They are desparate, and rightfully so. It's time to rebuke them both.

Posted by: dtmpkns | October 8, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Ayers is just a guy I knew on the street, no more than that, ok?

All the fomer presidents had this kind of connections, no big deal!

BHO

Posted by: alanguo | October 8, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama is too risky to be President. When he worked for the CAC he gave grants to radical educational groups. He was also connected with Acorn. Acorn is connected with the financial mess. Also, it has been accused of voter fraud. Just yesterday, the democratic secretary of state of Nevada 's voter fraud task force raided one of Acorn's offices in Nevada. Obama is a radical leftist. He is covering it up now to get elected.

Posted by: Loisland3 | October 8, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse


medusa alike cindy wife of villain mccain
is saying...what?
should we care?

Posted by: tabita | October 8, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh, everyone, don't forget that the perspicacious and vivacioius Cindy McCain was the first one to point out, I believe, at the Republican National Convention it was, that Palin was very qualified in foreign affairs because Russia is right up there next to Alaska. Right across that little bit of water there, the Black Sea or the Mediterranean or whatever it is.

On a clear day, why heck, gosh!, I'm thinkin' that yur gettin' a great view of Putin just a-sittin' on his outhouse seat! Golly! (wink wink)

Posted by: radicalpatriot | October 8, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"My friends, factcheck my record." Done.

Posted by: mavsreader | October 8, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Crikey - I'm wondering when they will start having trees with nooses hanging off them on stage as props!

They know what they are trying to stir up.

Posted by: JayKay2 | October 8, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

No problem, radicalpatriot.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"McCain has advocated members of Congress voting against similar bills that do include timelines, which he opposes."

Um, yeah, and he actually voted against one bill himself:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200810030010

But as you say, that bill included time lines for bringing the troops home, so I'm sure Cindy was against it (don't want to overcrowd her beach-side condo by bringin' sonny home too soon!)

Posted by: BillinChicago1 | October 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Mark--the one by the same moniker was a person who seemed to be able think independently and non-partisanly. I apologize if I mixed you two up. Your Republican guy can sympathize with older brains getting confused, I'm sure.

Posted by: radicalpatriot | October 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Cindy disappoints me as does McCain when he decided to go blatantly negative. The only folks feverish for the kind of hate Palin spews up are the rednecks and Bush loyalists who voted for him twice. Now Cindy’s saying that it’s Obama who is running the most dirtiest campaign in history. Really? That’s not how people with all four senses see it. She also has the nerve to LIE and say that Obama voted against funding that would protect her naval son, she must really feel that voters don’t fact check. He voted for military funding that INCLUDED a time line not the bill her hubby endorsed. As for Cindy, this is a glassy eyed junkie all the time she was over there “helping orphans” she saw a cute little colored girl and without asking her hubby John, brought it home and said “surprise”. Yeh, the idle rich sure do love their accessories. Her opinion is coming from the bottom of her crystal bottle of scotch. Keep sipping Cindy and take your breath mints, we won't tell.

Posted by: RepublicanAlternative | October 8, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

sissonfarm1: If you think the attacks on McCain/Palin are based even mostly on age/looks, as you assert, then you are simply not able to read or not able to listen or not able to think. Yes, there's crap from both sides, but McCain/Palin are mostly being attacked for just what you say should be the point--the ability to govern, much of which has to do with intelligence and with character.

If any candidate wants the respect (or the vote) of the average American citizen and voter, first of all he or she has to treat Americans with respect, as intelligent and trying-to-be-informed voters--even if many of them are not.

We are assured by the GOP that Palin is tough enough to stand up to the likes of Putin and other rough men, even though she can't even stand up to the American free press (regardless of its faults and, in some cases, its biases). So when we the voters finally get to see her "debate" (to use that term so loosely), she gives us this Betty Boop winking routine, underscoring her natural inanity. The press, which is allowed so little access to her, does not need to try (as Ed Koch wrote today) "to make her look foolish and provincial"--she is.

The GOP (rightfully!) sneered at Hillary whenever she hid behind the phony veil of "sexism" directed against her and causing her defeat in the primaries. But any criticism of Palin becomes now a sexist attack. Yes, having her explain what is the "Bush Doctrine" was a bit unfair--it implies that President Bush-Cheney actually have a clear or thought-out policy plan--although I must admit that I could have answered that question. But when she claims to be such an informed person through reading "everything" in the press and yet cannot name one such press item from which she gets her information (oh yes, she finally did come up the name "New York Times"), then . . . make your own conclusion. When she cannot name a single Supreme Court case of significance beyond Roe v Wade, then . . . make your own conclusion. When she cannot discuss the significant issues of this election in front of a crowd but can only repeat memorized attack lines against Obama's character, most of which have been proved to be silly and irrelevant at best, or outright distortions or lies at worst, then . . . make your own conclusion.

No, Betty Boop transformed into Sarah [Homemade] Soup has not earned my respect. Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani also have not an ounce of my respect either. I judge them not by the color of their skin, or the configuration of their genitals, but by the content of their character, which includes their intelligence and good judgment--or lack thereof.

How do you judge them?

Posted by: radicalpatriot | October 8, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I think its funny that Sarah Palin keeps talking about 'Joe Six Pack' while Cindy McCain's private jet is paid for by a Budweiser fortune.

Methinks Joe is being exploited, sounds like tinkle down economics.

Posted by: obrien2577@comcast.net | October 8, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait until this election is over and McClown and his band of hillbilly hit-men and his moron for a V.P. go away, hopefully for good.

We've got some serious issues to take on in America and we don't need his three-ring circus.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 8, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Must have been a different Mark, radicalpatriot; I always vote Republican.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Ha yall i found out Mccain is a Terrorist,I found out Mccain is working on the Senate board with Barack Obama in paling around on the Senated floor with Barack Obama to get Bills pass.

YALL GET IT.

Posted by: hollowhollis | October 8, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I suppose it should go without saying that if Sarah Palin has been reduced to speaking to hard-right audiences, but can't do any nonpartisan interviews because they're confident she'll blow it, and can't appear without John McCain because he may have to bail her out if things get dicey, and generally can't do anything but stay in her little anti-media box, coming out twice a day like the little bird in a cuckoo clock to yell a few phrases into a crowd and leave again, she's all but useless to her own campaign. Her favorable ratings have been diving. She's still got Troopergate in the works. There's still gawd knows how much embarrassing tape from her Katie Couric interview, which is probably going to keep being dribbled out from now until the election. So far, she's been making her most indelible American impressions on the pages of the National Enquirer.


Yeah, she's firing up the wingnut base. Who cares. The wingnut base is the easiest group of people on the planet to fire up. They get fired up when they think gays might steal their marriages. They get fired up when they have to press "one" for English. They get fired up when some black guy gets all uppity and runs for president. They get fired up when their sub-sub-sub-version of Christianity isn't the dominant religious ideal of the nation. Holding Sarah Palin in front of them is like teasing a dog through a fence, but that's about it.


So ya know, McCain -- by all means, if you're going to throw this Hail Mary pass, then throw it in earnest. Let her pop on out there for interviews with real reporters -- you know, as opposed to the biting "journalism" of rightwing lunitic fringers like Bill Kristol and Seany Hannity. Have her answer questions on the stump that haven't been pre-approved in triplicate. Right now, "maverick" seems synonymous with "coward" -- if the strength of your convictions extends only to inciting crowds against Obama, and you've got nothing else to run with, then I don't think you can get too snippy when the public just starts laughing at you.


McCain is finished, you can put a fork in him.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 8, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Who gives a rat''s youKnowWhat what that woman thinks or says, drug addicts lie all the time. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

So now they are just holding "Anti-Obama rallies"?, it's because they literally have nothing better to do.

What a sad end to a once respectable politician.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 8, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I like Cindy McCain. I'm glad they are finally letting her speak. They could have used her voice a lot sooner. She did a wonderful job at the convention and would make a successful first lady. You could tell that she loves our country. And I'm getting pretty sick of the Obama followers attacking the McCain/Palin team based on looks/age. Do you seriously think that has anything to do with governing?

Posted by: sissonfarm1 | October 8, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Mark in A:
Correct me if my recall is wrong, but in the early days [Iowa-NH primary time, so long ago], weren't you in favor of Biden, despite his penchant for gaffes? In fact, I think you even said you knew him or met him once? Or was that someone else? We were all so much younger then. . .

Posted by: radicalpatriot | October 8, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone in the press or the crowd ask Mrs. McCain about her moral values and judgment in breaking up Senator McCain's marriage with his first wife?

Posted by: flyfishchef | October 8, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Cindy's husband also voted against troop funding, when the bill included a timetable for withdrawal, as Obama has repeatedly pointed out. Did she get a chill that day, too?

Cindy recently whined that Obama has run "the dirtiest campaign in history". Is she high? AGAIN?

Her husband's campaign has accused Obama of being everything from a vapid celebrity, to a traitor, to the Antichrist. Now, they've moved on to openly inciting violence, with screams of "Terrorist" and "Kill him" spewing out of the mouths of their supporters, while McCain and Palin smirk and nod.

If Dems were like Repubs, Cindy's opiate addiction, thefts, and adultery, as well as her father's racketeering conviction, would be brought up in every ad, every interview, and every speech.

While the media frothed at the mouth about Michelle Obama's 'anger', the nonexistent 'whitey' video, her 'first time I'm proud to be an American' gaffe, Cindy McCain smugly weighed in with, "I've ALWAYS been proud of MY country!"

The second Mrs. McCain has been treated with kid gloves by the MSM. Her criminal and immoral behavior has not been mentioned once by a major news outlet in this election cycle.

If Michelle Obama was an admitted opiate addict and thief, an adulteress and a home-wrecker, and her father had been convicted on racketeering charges, can you imagine the media bloodbath that would have ensued? Liberal media bias... Please!

I have a question for Cindy McCain: Were you really 'proud of your country' when you were stealing drugs?

Posted by: FaceFacts | October 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Who in the world is running this campaign? Meghan? Why didn't someone bother to tell Cindy McCain that her HUSBAND voted against funding the troops?

Posted by: mshervais | October 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't FOX or anybody for that matter done a one hour special on the Alaska Independence Party??

You know the secessionist group Todd Palin supported up until 2002? Am I to believe that he had no influence on Sara, his wife??

Guilty by association right? So, is Sara in favor of Alaska leaving the U.S. of A??

What a great choice she was by McCain.

Posted by: Ed12 | October 8, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

An anti-Obama rally? Shouldn't it be a pro-McCain rally? I guess they have just given up on the whole vote for McCain angle, choosing vote against instead. Then again...that didn't seem to be working very well anyway.

Posted by: nathanielisaacson | October 8, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Don't listen to Cindy McCain; don't even listen to Joe Biden, right?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

STEPHANOPOULOS: You were asked, “Is he ready?”

You said, “I think he can be ready, but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the- job-training.”

BIDEN: I think that — I stand by the statement.

(ABC's, "This Week," 8/19/07)

"My Colleagues Voted Against The Funding To Make A Political Point … There's No Political Point Worth My Son's Life. There's No Political Point Worth Anyone's Life."

(Abby Simons, "Biden Blasts Rivals For Votes Against Iraq Money," The Des Moines Register, 8/15/07)

BIDEN: "Hundreds of lives are being saved and will be saved by us sending these vehicles over which we are funding with this supplemental legislation. And I want to ask any of my other colleagues, would they, in fact, vote to cut off the money for those troops to protect them? That's the right question. This isn't cutting off the war. This is cutting off support that will save the lives of thousands of American troops."

(NBC's, "Meet The Press," 9/9/07)

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

No one with good rounded sense will listen to Cindy McCain. She is often depressed and pops an awful lot of prescription pain killers and illegal street drugs just to be able to make it through the day. She will steal from her donors to support her habits. Hey, by the way are we still asking for character references on these candidates and their associations. 'cause then we'll have to access Cindy's drug arrest records, and drug treatment records...can't trust her and her husband with American $$$$ and she's stealing from her foundations....

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

AJ2008, the personal attacks are now for the benefit of undecided voters only.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Obama's vote sent a cold chill through my Joe Biden's body too (that was BEFORE he sold his soul to "The One").

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad that the McCain camp does not realize what America wants right now. All this continual personal bashing of Obama is not what most Americans want to hear. Sure, their comments will rouse the die-hard Republicans who are anti-Obama but will turn off all others.

Americans want to be for something positive. WE WANT CHANGE!

And nothing Caribou Barbie and Heiress Barbie say will change that.

Obama/Biden in 08!

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 8, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I see the Palin-McCain campaign uses a lot of 60's rock music. When they introduce Cindy McCain do they play "Bringing In A Couple Of Keys"?

Posted by: spitlube | October 8, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Could somebody please give this stepford wife bafoon a drug test....she sounds a bit unattached......her husband voted against the same bill because he didn't want a time line which would have brought their derlick son home from Iraq earlier....McCain chose to attend a million $$$$ fundraiser instead....

Somebody had better get that aging drug addict off the stage....before McGas bag and Dipstick with lipstick loose more points in the polling.....you betcha!!!

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

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