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Dems: Forget Ayers, Remember Keating

Updated 1:00 p.m.
By Perry Bacon Jr.
Barack Obama's campaign is reminding voters of John McCain's connections to the so-called Keating Five savings and loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s, including the release of a 13-minute documentary called "Keating Economics: John McCain and the Making of a Financial Crisis."

Two days after GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists" because of the Democrat's past dealings with 1960s radical William Ayers, Obama's campaign is e-mailing its supporters a link to a website, KeatingEconomics.com, which includes the documentary prepared by the Obama campaign.

Obama aides, firing back after Palin's comments on Ayers, are also planning to appear on television and on radio to highlight McCain's conduct in the 1980s and link it to the current Wall Street credit crisis.

"During the savings and loan crisis of the late 80s and early 90s, McCain's political favor and aggressive support for deregulation put him at the center of the fall of Lincoln Savings and Loan," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe wrote in an e-mail to campaign supporters that was released last Sunday to the media as well. "... Overall, the savings and loan crisis required the federal government to bail out the savings of hundreds of thousands of families and ultimately cost American taxpayers $124 billion."

"Sound familiar?"

Brian Rogers, a McCain spokesman, said of the Keating attack that "Barack Obama is frantically attacking." He defended the McCain campaign's attempt to highlight the Illinois senator's relationships with Ayers and developer Tony Rezko, who was convicted on bribery charges earlier this year.

"The difference here is clear: John McCain has been open and honest about the Keating Matter and even the Democratic special counsel in charge recommended that Senator McCain be completely exonerated," Rogers said. "By contrast, Barack Obama has been fundamentally dishonest about his friendship and work with the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers."

McCain has long expressed regret for his involvement in the controversy in which he, along with four other senators, were criticized by the Senate Ethics Committee for aiding Charles Keating, who was then chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association. The senators, including McCain, had pressed federal investigators to not to seize Lincoln because it might be insolvent. The company did eventually collapse, the savings of thousands of people were lost, and Keating eventually was convicted on fraud charges.

By Washington Post Editor  |  October 6, 2008; 6:10 AM ET
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People.... Hitler told the same lies about wanting the common man to be in charge. Obama is the front man for a radical uprising against America. He talks about a tax break for the middle class etc. It's all rhetoric and BS. The majority of the people he is talking about giving tax breaks to don't pay taxes...most of them get refunds every year.
Listen, Obama and his gang are employing all the tactics they learned over the years on how to get the masses pumped up and to follow their radical ideolgy. Guess what America? They are being effective...it's working! Political takeovers have at their root,underground and unseen mega financial support as well as a movement that takes the common man who has no purpose hardly and uses them to work for the cause. Those disinfranchised individuals work like slaves for the movement and are used as free laborers. The sad thing is they are just being used and know almost nothing about the people/group they are out there pushing for. Obama is sharp with this organizing stuff..I will give him that.
But my view is that he is not the right man for the Presidency.

Posted by: TyroneJonessr | October 7, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

The people I have been talking to as I stump for Sen. Barack Obama are worn out with the years of divisivness and rancor. They feel poor financially and spiritually.

Obama's messsage that "we are all better than this" has been providing them with the hope that here is someone who can make a case to all Americans that we can't pull ourselves out of this hole unless we all cooperate and share the burden, share the pain.

Obama may be ahead in the polls at this point because of Americans' realization and acknowledgment that they want to put the attacks on each other behind them. If the sense that Obama is leading Americans to a better place -- together -- becomes stronger and more pervasive, they will reject the negative campaigning by Sen. McCain, and by extension, McCain himself.

Only time will tell, but Obama is the only one calling for our better selves to stand up and be counted.

Posted by: exotikat | October 6, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Its taking back whats been stolen: 2/3 of corporations do not pay taxes and warren buffets Secretary pays a lower tax rate than Warren Buffet. That's criminal and its socialism for the rich. They protect themselves and they protect their monopolies through our current gov't.
Obama gives 3x's more in tax cuts for the middle class than McCain does. Obamas healthcare plan would give Americans a CHOICE to stick with their private employer or purchase the same healthcare their congressman has. McCains healthcare plan would TAX middles class familes. It would be a pretty large TAX that middle class families cannot afford. McCain would also support TAX cuts for corporations that want to send workers overseas. Thats treason and that does not support the middle class. Obama's plan does

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Its taking back whats been stolen: 2/3 of corporations do not pay taxes and warren buffets Secretary pays a lower tax rate than Warren Buffet. That's criminal and its socialism for the rich. They protect themselves and they protect their monopolies through our current gov't.
Obama gives 3x's more in tax cuts for the middle class than McCain does. Obamas healthcare plan would give Americans a CHOICE to stick with their private employer or purchase the same healthcare their congressman has. McCains healthcare plan would TAX middles class familes. It would be a pretty large TAX that middle class families cannot afford. McCain would also support TAX cuts for corporations that want to send workers overseas. Thats treason and that does not support the middle class. Obama's plan does

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"Obama wants the MIDDLE class driving this country, instead of the WEALTHY elite that you want. The elite do not need anymore gov't assistance. Working people do. Both White and blacks are on welfare in this country. Some of them do not work and some of them work full time and still need assistance to stay afloat b/c the top 1% pay more than the bottom %90. Of course you do not want to admit that. Its a shame that my tax dollars are supporting the rich. It' a shame that my tax dollars are supporting working people in baghdad instead of working people in the U.S. You can keep your wrong track...its headed to nowhere"


Obama doesn't give a crap about the middle class, but he's sure good at convincing people that he does. I'm not a wealthy elite, nor do I support a country run entirely by rich individuals. But surely you must understand however, that there is a natural order to things. There will always be a rich, middle class, and poor hierachy. Obama's plan to take from the rich is not only unconstitutional, but nonsensical. It will fail miserably.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Keating McCain = perfect proof that the rich just want more and more and more. Most americans would simply be happy to afford once house but not these people. Not the greedy CEOs in corporate america. No wonder why working wages have gone nowhere the past 8 years

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"Statistics don't lie. Obviously, the "redneck trailer trash" as you so eloquently call them, are voting Democrat because that's who gives them a handout. They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them. I would rather help Americans who truly work hard for what they've got, not those who sit at home with 5 kids by different men. You say you want change, but exactly what change is Obama offering? His supporters mindlessly follow him bleating "change" without truly knowing what that "change" is going to be. With Obama in charge, we'll have low class citizens running the country right down in to the ground. He can keep that chang"

Obama wants the MIDDLE class driving this country, instead of the WEALTHY elite that you want. The elite do not need anymore gov't assistance. Working people do. Both White and blacks are on welfare in this country. Some of them do not work and some of them work full time and still need assistance to stay afloat b/c the top 1% pay more than the bottom %90. Of course you do not want to admit that. Its a shame that my tax dollars are supporting the rich. It' a shame that my tax dollars are supporting working people in baghdad instead of working people in the U.S. You can keep your wrong track...its headed to nowhere

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

PHOENIX -- The McCain campaign pushed back hard against the new Obama attack over the Keating Five, arguing that the Arizona senator was treated unfairly by the Senate ethics investigation and asserting that John McCain had been much more open about his relationship with disgraced thrift executive Charles Keating than Obama has been about his connection with one-time radical William Ayers.

In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, John Dowd, the Washington lawyer who represented McCain during the Senate investigation, called the inquiry a "classic political smear job" by the Democrats running the Senate at the time, saying that they only included McCain to make sure that a Republican was among the targets. "John had not done anything wrong," Dowd said.

Dowd's point of view was amplified by Robert Bennett, the Washington lawyer and Democrat who served as special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee during the Keating Five investigation, which focused on whether McCain and other senators exercised improper political influence over the regulation of Keating's failed Lincoln Savings & Loan.

In an interview, Bennett said McCain should never have been dragged into the ethics case to begin with. He said that after his own lengthy investigation, he came to the conclusion that the case against McCain and former Sen. John Glenn (D-Ohio) "should have been dropped" because the evidence suggested that once McCain understood that the Justice Department was investigating Keating, he backed off any involvement. Dowd noted that McCain threw Keating,once a strong supporter, out of his office after Keating pressed him to intervene in his case.

Bennett said former Sen. Howell Hefflin (D-Ala.) insisted that the two be included in the formal public inquiry because otherwise there would have been a month of public hearings "with no Republicans in the dock." The other members of the Keating Five were Democrats.

"It was clear that McCain should not have been at the table nor should Glenn," Bennett said. "I felt it was unfair for McCain to be included as part of the Keating Five." Bennett stressed that he was not speaking as part of the campaign, though he noted he also represented McCain in his recent battles with the New York Times.

The sharp defense of McCain by Dowd was in contrast to McCain's previous contrition about his involvement in the matter. He told the New York Times in 1999 that going into the meetings with regulators was a mistake. "Going into that room gave a definite appearance of impropriety," he said.

McCain was ultimately exonerated by the Ethics Committee, which did fault him for exercising poor judgment in attending two meetings with federal regulators about their case against Keating, a once high-flying savings and loans owner who contributed $112,000 to McCain campaigns (as well as making gifts that were not found to be illegal). The collapse of Keating's thrift ultimately cost taxpayers billions, and Obama's campaign mounted a full-scale assault today on McCain's involvement, with an ad and short web documentary questioning his judgment.

In an e-mail to supporters, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe argued that the Keating Five affair highlighted McCain's support for a broad philosophy of deregulation that is eerily similiar to the crisis of today. "During the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s, McCain's political favors and aggressive support for deregulation put him at the center of the fall of Lincoln Savings and Loan, one of the largest in the country. More than 23,000 investors lost their savings. Overall, the savings and loan crisis required the federal government to bail out the savings of hundreds of thousands of families and ultimately cost American taxpayers $124 billion," Plouffe wrote.

"In that crisis, John McCain and his political patron, Charles Keating, played central roles that ultimately landed Keating in jail for fraud and McCain in front of the Senate Ethics Committee. The McCain campaign has tried to avoid talking about the scandal, but with so many parallels to the current crisis, McCain's Keating history is relevant and voters deserve to know the facts -- and see for themselves the pattern of poor judgment by John McCain," Plouffe added.

Brian Rogers, a McCain spokesman, said McCain has been "open and honest" about his relationship with Keating, in contrast with Obama's statements about Ayers, one of the founders of the Weather Underground. "We're seeing the opposite from Barack Obama," he said.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"Lol You really think all the redneck trailer trash is voting democrat? No Way. Besides I would rather help poor people with me tax dollars than corporations. I would rather help Americans than Iraqis. Americans are sick of what is happening demanding they start getting helped. Productivity has gone up while working wages have done down. Enough is enough and that is why the republican era is over"

Statistics don't lie. Obviously, the "redneck trailer trash" as you so eloquently call them, are voting Democrat because that's who gives them a handout. They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them. I would rather help Americans who truly work hard for what they've got, not those who sit at home with 5 kids by different men. You say you want change, but exactly what change is Obama offering? His supporters mindlessly follow him bleating "change" without truly knowing what that "change" is going to be. With Obama in charge, we'll have low class citizens running the country right down in to the ground. He can keep that change.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"I know plenty of Repub voters here in the south on economic assistance. There are plenty of people in Baghdad on US gov't assistance as well. You are shooting off your smears, but YOU are the one showing your ignorance in the end."

You are showing your ignorance by making such a statement without research. 93% of welfare recipients vote Democrat. I also live in the South and have yet to meet someone on welfare that votes Republican. But since there's only 7% out there (and that's assuming that some of the 7% doesn't vote Independent) I'm sure you've met few if any.

Lol You really think all the redneck trailer trash is voting democrat? No Way. Besides I would rather help poor people with me tax dollars than corporations. I would rather help Americans than Iraqis. Americans are sick of what is happening demanding they start getting helped. Productivity has gone up while working wages have done down. Enough is enough and that is why the republican era is over

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"I know plenty of Repub voters here in the south on economic assistance. There are plenty of people in Baghdad on US gov't assistance as well. You are shooting off your smears, but YOU are the one showing your ignorance in the end."

You are showing your ignorance by making such a statement without research. 93% of welfare recipients vote Democrat. I also live in the South and have yet to meet someone on welfare that votes Republican. But since there's only 7% out there (and that's assuming that some of the 7% doesn't vote Independent) I'm sure you've met few if any.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Diplomat,

Here's some sources for you, since you so incorrectly assume that you are so learned:

87% of convicted felons vote democrat when released... 93% of life-time welfare recipients vote democrat... 92% of union political donations are democrat...68% of alcoholics vote democrat

www.townhall.com

In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people.

http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm


Since 93% of welfare recipients vote Democrat out of the 2 million, that's roughly 1.86 million potential voters right there. I would say that more than validates my statement that a large portion of Democrat voters are on public assistance.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Keating McCain. enough said

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Really? Is that why such a large portion of Democrat voters are on pulic assistance?
Posted by: tnmama"

I know plenty of Repub voters here in the south on economic assistance. There are plenty of people in Baghdad on US gov't assistance as well. You are shooting off your smears, but YOU are the one showing your ignorance in the end

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget about McCain's relationship with Gordon liddy.

Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in "if necessary"; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a "gangland figure" to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National Convention -- a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain's campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. In addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy's radio show during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May. An online video labeled "John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07" includes a discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an "old friend." During the segment, McCain praised Liddy's "adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great," said he was "proud" of Liddy, and said that "it's always a pleasure for me to come on your program."

This is from Media Matter, Oct. 4.

Posted by: dcwsano | October 6, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that the Pug comments here are just more 'crying and whining' [nation of whiners; courtesy of Phil Gramm]! Instead of your constant crying over your ERRATIC AND SENILE OLD CROOK McCAIN and the IGNORANT UNQUALIFIED PALIN, someone would have some concrete evidence of either of them at least having 'one original thought or idea' to help our country. But it appears you care nothing about important issues, but rather "name calling and guilt by association games". Sorry, that crap is just NOT getting the job of solving problems done. Since neither McCain nor Palin are capable of complex problem solving or "thinking" outside their usual "trickle down economic plan" which has ONLY ALWAYS HURT our country, they prefer to play these games and the electorate is just no longer in the mood for games when you consider we that we have been RAPED by the GOP for years. So until they can come up with something [in the next 30 days] aside from their already failed policy outlook, it appears they will FINALLY BE OUT OF OFFICE!

Also if you look many of the other GOP congressional seats you will see that they have not been elected or re-elected. That ought to give you a big CLUE as to how our country feels about the GOP now. As a matter of fact, many Pugs up for election or re-election have refused to put the Pug label next to their names out of fear that when it's seen by the public they would lose automatically. If that doesn't tell you what mood our country is in nothing will. It's about time the public has come to their senses and finally realized that the CONTINUED RAPE AND PILLAGE OF OUR COUNTRY cannot continue! Thank God Almighty - free at last from PUGS!!!

Posted by: ObamasLady | October 6, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Here was my response to Bill Kristol's NYT article this morning that the Times decided not to post? I thought it had merit- of course I could be wrong?

fr: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/06/opinion/06kristol.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

Mr. Kristol,

Orchestration of orchestration! Wow, Ayers, Wright, and an unspecified open ended allegations that Obama is not being "wholly truthful" - all in one column! Sir, like your twisted-twin amigos, Krautcrazy and Gerson over at the WaPo, you are nothing more than a discourse distortionist.

With this column your standing as a shameless 'agent provacateur' for the McCain/Palin ticket is confirmed. Obviously they needed a messenger to formally announce the launch of their renewed "culture war" strategy. Well at least they didn't have to look too hard to find you under that rock of hyper-partisanship and divisiveness you call an ideology. The perfect lapdog, one can well imagine your delight at being picked as the messenger in this sad attempt by McCain/Palin to buttress their sagging electoral fortunes.

As to the relighting of the Wright issue, nary a finer passage of a disingenuous 'interview' has ever been written. First you bring the issue up. Then she expounds. But then, she invokes a perverse form of reverse logic by saying, wholly unconvincingly, that it will really be up to McCain if it is to become an official part of the GOP strategy- or is a tactic? Of course, by having expounded on it - she has, knowingly, just made the "appalling things that that pastor had said about our great country" again a focal point of their strategy!

As to your offer to 'volunteer' to 'moderate' a second Biden-Palin, the premise is unsound (and laughable) you wouldn't know how to "moderate" if the terms denotative definition slapped you upside your toxic cranium. You are about as equipped to serve as a debate moderator as Palin is to serve as the Vice-President.

By the way, of course, Gov, Palin seemed "confident and upbeat" despite the "strain and stress" a normal person would be feeling under the circumstances. Easy explanation there: People without a clue are often are completely ignorant of their lived context prior to their downfall. "Let them eat cake" anyone?

Mr. Kristol, I trust you are delighted by the new dark turn the McCain campaign is taking - and this fact, rather than making me angry, simply makes me pity the petty even more.

Posted by: sdmac | October 6, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse


We must take our country back from Ali Mohammad McCain and Osama Bin Palin! My Friends..If they want to play the blame game with silly tactics flavored with racial overtones and list Barack Obama's name with terrorists, muslims, thugs, resko/ayres fibs, anti-hillary accusations, & flag pins; We must demand the following GOP/McCraziac issues come to the forefront and be answered in the media:
~Keating 5 www(dot)KeatingEconomics(dot)com
~Fundamental Deregulator
~Deregulation of Social Security
~Deregulation of HealthCare
~Enron Loophole
~100 Year War Monger & $Trillions$ Spent On Iraqi War
~Vicki Iseman
~Brokaw/McCain Friendship
~Infidelity/Adultery
~Anti-Catholic
~Tax Break Elimination
~Voted Against Equal Pay & Equal Rights For Our Mothers, Sisters, Daughters, Grandmothers, Nieces, Aunts, Wives, & Girlfriends
~Temperament-Erraticsism, Is There A Blood Relation Between McCraziac & Bill-Had-Sex-With-A-Show-Intern-O'Reilly ?
~McCain Campaign Lobbyist ie. Rick Davis & 169 more Lobbyists
~Andrew McCain + Nevada based Silver State Bank
~Andrew McCain + CMKM Diamonds,better known as CMKX
~Palingate/Troopergate Criminal Investigation
~Palin's REV.THOMAS MUTHEE Witchdoctor Video
~Betrayus With A Surge To Nowhere In Iraq
~US Council For World Freedom; Radical, Dangerous & Racist Organization
~Voted Against Veteran Benefits At Home
~4th Stage Cancer
~Anheuser Busch(Budweiser)Cindy Mccain #1 National Debate Sponsor
~*Straight Talk America PAC, *Altria Group, *American Issues Project, *National Campaign Fund, *Vets For Freedom
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
www(dot)mccainslobbyists(dot)com

www(dot)mccainsource(dot)com

www(dot)therealmccain(dot)com/butler

www(dot)mudflats(dot)wordpress(dot)com

www(dot)plnewsforum(dot)com/index.php/forums/viewthread/39966

www(dot)phoenixnewtimes(dot)com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1

www(dot)rationalrevolution0(dot)tripod(dot)com/war/bush_family_and_the_s(dot)htm

www(dot)republicansexoffenders(dot)com

www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

McCain Campaign Has Strong Ties To Corporate Lobbyists At Center Of Bailout
www(dot)thinkprogress(dot)org/2008/09/22/mccain-campaign-lobbies-bailou

McCain on Special Interest, Lobbyists and DC Sleaze—What you should remember
www(dot)personals(dot)nymag(dot)com/blog/1069/post_78180.html?dcb=personals(dot)nymag(dot)com

Media advance myth of McCain as lobbyist foe
www(dot)mediamatters(dot)org/items/200802260009

the McCAIN BUSH GRAMM foreclosure plan: called BIG BANK BAILOUT (4 more years of BUSH PILLAGE?)
www(dot)miami(dot)craigslist(dot)org/mdc/pol/850631984(dot)html

NOW, IF YOU NEED TO KNOW MORE, PUT "credit default swap + Mccain lobbyists" INTO THE GOOGLE SEARCH BAR
AND YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THE UNETHICAL THEFT THAT MCCAIN HAS PULLED OVER THE EYES OF ALL THE LOW INFORMATION AMERICANS THAT WILL VOTE FOR HIM. IT IS DISGUSTING!

Posted by: wyattobamanation | October 6, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Really? Is that why such a large portion of Democrat voters are on pulic assistance?
Posted by: tnmama

Here is another example of someone posting a baseless accusation without a reference or even a link to a reference. tnmama is a classic example of our failing school systems.

Posted by: TheDiplomat | October 6, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

For the past six weeks, I have been traveling to my neighboring “swing” state to stump for Sen. Barack Obama. When I began, the state was trending McCain. As the weeks passed, however, things began to change. First came the failures of the big financial houses, and the people I canvassed began to express their concern that so-called Reaganomics was leading this country into dark times. Combined with the bleeding wars, the sense that America has been on a downward slide in terms of international influence, and nationally, a malaise which infects everything from consumer spending to education and healthcare now colored most interactions I had with local people. The new troublesome worry seemed to push more and more of the people I contacted to express negative feelings about Republican leadership generally, and an unwillingness to have that leadership continue under a McCain administration.

The Obama campaign tells its volunteers not to engage in any negative discussions about Sen. John McCain; we are to focus exclusively on the benefits of an Obama administration. But when McCain unveiled Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, and then seemed to lose his head and his cool over the $700 billion bailout, and then appeared willing to upend the political process just to make an empty statement, the voices I listened to talked with increasing respect for Obama and his cool, rational handling of his own affairs.

This past week demonstrated that the voices were now being mirrored in the polls. Obama now holds a lead of several points ahead of McCain in my swing state. People talk of their children, their grandchildren, and of the serious times ahead. They regularly shake their heads over how badly the Republicans have mishandled the responsibility they were given to govern this country. They don’t know how Obama plans to lead Americans through the dark valley ahead, but they seem to trust his clear intelligence and his own self governance. They mistrust McCain because of his age, his apparent wildness and willfulness, and his association with the Republican party.

For myself, I am cheered and encouraged by developments. I am incredibly proud of Barack Obama and while no one can predict the future, I feel I am in good hands if Obama wins the presidency. I cannot say the same for McCain.

Posted by: exotikat | October 6, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Actor Jon Voight Was On Fox Last Night, He went nuts on Obama. Assuses him of all kinds of Crazy things. Watch his crazy rant at http://www.huckabeeshow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Erractic: The first signs that show an underlying instabilty.
Instability: The first signs that show in an unbalanced person.

You don't give anyone unbalanced or erratic anything that represents a sense of power. No guns or weapons, no cache of fertilizer, and certainly no command of a military power.

Power is abused without fail, in the hands of one erractic and unstable.

Pass it on.

Posted by: TruthWalksOnWater | October 6, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"The average Democrat works harder than a Republican any day"

Really? Is that why such a large portion of Democrat voters are on pulic assistance?

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

These two accusations (Ayers vs. Keating) are not comparable, and journalists do a grave disservice to Americans by pretending that they're comparable just for the sake of appearing "objective".

Ayers was a radical in the 60's and early 70's when Obama was a child. In later life, as a professor and education activist, he served on the board of an educational charity with Barack Obama. In 1995, when Obama made his first run for local political office, Ayers (who lived 3 blocks away from the candidate) threw Obama a coffee fundraiser. That was the extent of their connection. This is what Palin characterized as "palling around with terrorists".

McCain, on the other hand, was very much a part of the Charles Keating scandal. McCain allowed himself to be bought - and as recent events have shown, he hasn't changed one bit.

In the first case, you have guilt by (extremely loose) association. In the second, you have direct guilt by the candidate's own actions and choices.

There is no comparison; please stop pretending there is.

Posted by: SandraL | October 6, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"McCain has long expressed regret for his involvement in the controversy... in" The ONLY reason McCain expressed regret was because he was CAUGHT RED-HANDED! Do you really think had that not been the case McCain would even have spoken up about his involvement? H*ll no! McCain was never cleared of the charges and his name is still synonymous with KEATING! The tiny slap on the hand he sustained by the Senate Ethics Committee was nothing compared to what we, the taxpayers [including me] had to pay back to say nothing of all the S&L's that went under!

At the outset of McCain's campaign he said he would run an 'honest and honorable' campaign. But once he saw he [alone] could not draw crowds [it made him furious and so envious to see the crowds Obama had and has been able to draw all alone], so McCain decided he would use the despicable GOP ROVIAN HANDBOOK as his guide to win an election. This has resulted in the total loss of what little "honor" he may have once had, particularly in his judgment and selection of Palin [whom he KNOWS has not one ounce of INTELLECT OR KNOWLEDGE]. For him to put "himself FIRST and country LAST" only goes to prove the point of his LOST HONOR.

So if McCain wants to try his "guilty by association" assassination of Obama's character, then I say Obama should absolutely bring up the Keating 5 scandal and resulting bailout! Obama has tried to stay above the SMEAR SEWAGE fray, but since McCain INSISTS on playing those Rovian games, I'm one voter who is thrilled that he is finally stating the facts about McCain's DISHONOR. McCain and Palin are FAKES, FRAUDS AND OPPORTUNISTS who live among the snakes of our society and slither in the raw sewage he wrongfully believes is caviar!

If McCain was such a POW war hero [we are forced to take his word since no one knows unless they were there with him], he would have his 'military records released' so that he could 'USE AND BRAG' about what made him a hero. By virtue of not allowing his records to be made public only tells me he was nothing of the kind [no hero] and what he has told us about his stay in the Hanoi Hilton is exaggerated and/or made up to make him APPEAR to be a hero. Until he releases his military records, no one should believe a word he says about being a hero? His recent low level actions have told me that he is nothing like a hero!

And while we are at it, he also needs to release his 'medical records' in the proper manner where they can be fully examined [not in that pitiful fraud he perpetrated on the public and press for 3 hours with no copies being made and no thorough examination being done]. That only told me that he is afraid information that may keep him from becoming Prez due to his poor health. That "show" was in fact a very telling sign that he has something untoward and/or unhealthy to hide or he would have released them for all to peruse!

Posted by: ObamasLady | October 6, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Seems the results are in, the most electable republican ticket would be Huckabee/Palin, not McCain/Palin this is according to a new poll at watchdebate.com nearly 4 to 1 people would preffer Huckabee/Palin over McCain/Palin. Ha The RNC got it way wrong this time.
http://www.mccanes.com/watchdebatevp.html

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

AverageAmerican1,

"Hate to break it to you, but John McCain is not, Repeat NOT a war hero. He's not a hero of any kind.

He's just a bad pilot on a bad day in a bad war.

Rick Rescorla was a hero. So was Irena Sendler. McCain isn't even close."


Keating McCain apparently has not been honest about his war record. Keating McCain's plane crashes were b/c he was not paying attention:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/10/mccain_fudges_his_navy_record.html

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Dear TNMAMA,
Your story about what kids are hearing in schools about Obama and Mccain is not a joke. Many kids in New York schools were told horrible things when the kids stated that they would vote for McCain. So much for our democracy. It is quickly disappearing and being replaced with political correctness as viewed by Democrats.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"Um, what exactly is wrong with this story? All you did was point out that Dems want to take away from the hard working and give to the lazy. That just further reinforces why I don't ever vote for communists, I mean Democrats."

The average Dem works harder than the avg. repub anyday. We dont just get $100000 in dividends for doing nothing and then find some clever way to avoid paying taxes.

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"A little girl was in school and her democrat teacher was telling all the students that democrats were good and republicans are bad. The teacher said that democrats look out for the poor, and republicans only look out for the rich. The little girl came home and asked her father which he was? The father said he was a republican. The little girl asked why. Her father said, well, let's put it this way... your friend Sally doesn't do well in school right? She doesn't study very much and hangs around with other lazy kids. You study very hard, you get great grades, how about you give some of your A's to Sally so she can at least have a C? The little girl said NO WAY! I'm not giving away the grades I worked so hard for! Her father smiled and said WELCOME TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY."

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY -
ME FIRST, COUNTRY LAST"


Um, what exactly is wrong with this story? All you did was point out that Dems want to take away from the hard working and give to the lazy. That just further reinforces why I don't ever vote for communists, I mean Democrats.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Dear Seemston,
To use CNN as a media of truth is a little disingenuous, considering the incredible pro-Obama bias in the press. Maybe that is why fox today gets the highest ratings, proving only one thing: you can fools some people some of the time, but you can not fool all the people all of the time.

BIAS IN THE PRESS IS NOT ONLY UNDEMOCRATIC BUT DANGEROUS TO OUR DEMOCRACY.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

AverageAmerican1,

Hate to break it to you, but John McCain is not, Repeat NOT a war hero. He's not a hero of any kind.

He's just a bad pilot on a bad day in a bad war.

Rick Rescorla was a hero. So was Irena Sendler. McCain isn't even close.

Posted by: loulor | October 6, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"THE REPUBLICAN PARTY -
ME FIRST, COUNTRY LAST"

Even better:

Keating McCain - Me first, let the taxpayers clean up the mess

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

CNN truth squad examined the Ayers accusations and labeled them false.
These falsehoods are old news left over from the primary elections.
Rev. Wright is old news that has been digested and rejected by intelligent swing voters.
Fannie and Freddie corruption claims against Obama backfired squarely in Rick Davis' hypocritical face.

Obama could go after McCain's war record , but he knows it's all about jobs for the middle and lower class. The voters are yelling "it's the economy stupid."

McCain doesn't hear them.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"A little girl was in school and her democrat teacher was telling all the students that democrats were good and republicans are bad. The teacher said that democrats look out for the poor, and republicans only look out for the rich. The little girl came home and asked her father which he was? The father said he was a republican. The little girl asked why. Her father said, well, let's put it this way... your friend Sally doesn't do well in school right? She doesn't study very much and hangs around with other lazy kids. You study very hard, you get great grades, how about you give some of your A's to Sally so she can at least have a C? The little girl said NO WAY! I'm not giving away the grades I worked so hard for! Her father smiled and said WELCOME TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY."

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY -
ME FIRST, COUNTRY LAST

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Dear Seemston,
When Obama becomes a president we will all need a drink, if we can afford it.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

GOP....spew your hate. You'll feel better if you get it all out.

Obama's lead is not that hard to understand. It is because the majority of the country likes him and likes his message. Simple. You can spin and invent lies and scream. America is listening for solutions, not hate. Steve schmidt and his henchmen have not understood this at all. They want us to cower in fear and hate each other, because that is how they can win.

For now, this hate-filled message of theirs does not seem to be fooling America. GOP is, at this hour, the new minority.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 6, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS WHY OBAMA's FINANCIAL POLICY WILL FAIL.

to DemocracyRules

you forgot to mention the rich man in question owns the bar.

I'll take Obama and drink in better company.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

A little girl was in school and her democrat teacher was telling all the students that democrats were good and republicans are bad. The teacher said that democrats look out for the poor, and republicans only look out for the rich. The little girl came home and asked her father which he was? The father said he was a republican. The little girl asked why. Her father said, well, let's put it this way... your friend Sally doesn't do well in school right? She doesn't study very much and hangs around with other lazy kids. You study very hard, you get great grades, how about you give some of your A's to Sally so she can at least have a C? The little girl said NO WAY! I'm not giving away the grades I worked so hard for! Her father smiled and said WELCOME TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing innocent about what Keating McCain did. Keating McCain received lots of money and plenty of free vacations. In return, thousands of elderly lost their life savings and the taxpayers had to commit to a $125 billion bailout. If you like what Keating McCain did then, than you will love what he has planned for the white house.

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Today's numbers....America prefers Obama's hope and better future to Mccain's hate and anger and fear.

RCP Average 09/26 - 10/05 -- 49.3 43.3 Obama +6.0
Rasmussen Tracking 10/03 - 10/05 3000 LV 52 44 Obama +8
Hotline/FD Tracking 10/03 - 10/05 909 LV 47 41 Obama +6
Democracy Corps (D) 10/01 - 10/05 1000 LV 49 46 Obama +3
Gallup Tracking 10/02 - 10/04 2728 RV 50 43 Obama +7
GW/Battleground Tracking 09/30 - 10/05 800 LV 50 43 Obama +7

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 6, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

SeemsToMe that the economy was doing pretty OK just two years ago. Know what happened after that? The DEMOCRAPS took over the senate and congress and everything has gone to hell in a handbasket.

* Gas was just over two dollars, now nearly four.
* The DOW as near 14000, now almost 9000

Hmmm... you decide.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The problem with the wackjob witch-hunting bishop is what he did to that poor Kenyan woman -- not the fact he prayed over Sarah What's-Her-Name.

That thug demonized the Kenyan woman with the preposterous claim she was causing traffic accidents by casting spells. Drove her right out of town.

We're either talking mental illness here with the so-called bishop, or the exploits of a world-class misogynist.

Either way, Sarah looks like the idiot extremist that she is by fawning all over that fool. "He's just so bold," she exclaims at one point.

Maybe the witch-hunter could help her make foreign policy after that nasty old McCain dies in office, huh? (I'm sure he knows more than she does.)

Posted by: loulor | October 6, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

As an average American, from that portion of our country that makes up all but the fringes, it is funny to watch the Washington D.C. crowd scurry about in panic mode over this election.

The Establishment in Washington D.C. has enlisted all of their minions to do their bidding, the media, Hollywood, any way to completely submerse the country in their opinion. In fact, it is so obviously a coordinated effort that the average American can see clearly through it! Whenever everyone you see on television only talks about how great Obama is and how bad McCain is, something’s up!

I know the media power brokers hate to face it but the fact is that the average American is capable of examining all the facts to make an independent decision, not merely rely on the media to guide their decisions. So regardless of how many times CNN replays every Saturday Night Live skit demeaning Mrs. Palin, we will still make our own decisions.

The most basic fact is this: Obama is unqualified for the Presidency on every front. Additionally, Obama has spent 20+ years saying "Amen!" to anti-American, racial hate-speech from his Spiritual Advisor Mr. Wright! This is probably why Obama saw nothing wrong with palling around with anti-American terrorist Mr. Ayers who let's not for get, was so close to Obama that he organized fund raisers for him! That alone demonstrates the fact that Ayers felt that he and Obama shared common views!

On the other hand, there is McCain. A true war hero of iconic proportions! He is uniquely positioned in this election to offer the only relevant experience available to the Presidency in the decision to be made in November.

Why the media power brokers want Obama so badly is a question indeed.

Luckily for America, we can think for ourselves.

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 6, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Paul Begala's comments on this morning's Meet the Press.
"McCain once "sat on the board of a very right wing organization," the U.S. Council for World Freedom, led by a retired Army Maj. General named John Singlaub. The Anti-Defamation League allegedly called the CWF's parent organization a gathering place for racists and anti-Semites."

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 6, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"SeemsToMe that McCain's plan is pretty simple... reduce taxes to employers who will then hire more people. In turn the employees would pay taxes in the way of income from employers."

Simple except for one thing, it hasn't worked since Reaganomics in the eighties.
Trickle down is another way of peeing on the voter and telling him it's raining.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

wrq7iop,
Ok by us, McCain is an innocent man.

We will continue to call NOBAMA a criminal and terrorist by association, however.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

As an average American, from that portion of our country that makes up all but the fringes, it is funny to watch the Washington D.C. crowd scurry about in panic mode over this election.

The Establishment in Washington D.C. has enlisted all of their minions to do their bidding, the media, Hollywood, any way to completely submerse the country in their opinion. In fact, it is so obviously a coordinated effort that the average American can see clearly through it! Whenever everyone you see on television only talks about how great Obama is and how bad McCain is, something’s up!

I know the media power brokers hate to face it but the fact is that the average American is capable of examining all the facts to make an independent decision, not merely rely on the media to guide their decisions. So regardless of how many times CNN replays every Saturday Night Live skit demeaning Mrs. Palin, we will still make our own decisions.

The most basic fact is this: Obama is unqualified for the Presidency on every front. Additionally, Obama has spent 20+ years saying "Amen!" to anti-American, racial hate-speech from his Spiritual Advisor Mr. Wright! This is probably why Obama saw nothing wrong with palling around with anti-American terrorist Mr. Ayers who let's not for get, was so close to Obama that he organized fund raisers for him! That alone demonstrates the fact that Ayers felt that he and Obama shared common views!

On the other hand, there is McCain. A true war hero of iconic proportions! He is uniquely positioned in this election to offer the only relevant experience available to the Presidency in the decision to be made in November.

Why the media power brokers want Obama so badly is a question indeed.

Luckily for America, we can think for ourselves.

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 6, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

United States Council for World freedom. Board of Directors and Advisory Board. 1986. 1 page.
This is an official list of 36 directors and advisors of USCWF, and almost all of the names include a line or two of identifying information. John Singlaub, a retired general with an intelligence background, has been chairman of USCWF since 1981, when he organized it as the new U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League. WACL, which was originally created by the intelligence services of Taiwan and South Korea for purposes of anti- Communist propaganda, has had a U.S. chapter since 1969. But the presence of former Nazis in the European chapters, and neo-Nazis elsewhere, caused splits on the U.S. end.
Singlaub's new chapter struck out in an activist direction by collecting tax-deductible contributions to support the contras. U.S. officials worked closely with USCWF, as well as with other pro-contra groups in the private sector. In 1985 the Miami Herald estimated that USCWF was sending up to $500,000 a month to the contras, in the form of nonlethal supplies that were usually shipped on U.S. military craft.

Search the NameBase site: While the best way to search for names is to use NameBase, most can also be found here by using only first and last name, separated by a single space, with no quotation marks.

Name index for U.S. Council World Freedom. Directors and Advisors. 1986

BISHOP JIM (HEARST CORP)
BOUSCAREN ANTHONY T
CAMARDESE N M
CARROLL J.A.
CHENNAULT ANNA CHAN
CHOPIWSKYJ WALTER
CONDON MARY HOPE
DOBRIANSKY LEV E
FISHER JOHN M
FORD LUCILLE G
GRAHAM DANIEL ORRIN
HURLBUT BERT
HUTCHINSON JOHN
JOHNSON W.A. (JOHN)
JUNG SAMMY Y
KNIGHT ALBION W
KUBEK ANTHONY
LEBOUTILLIER JOHN
MCCAIN JOHN S III (R-AZ)
MESSING ANDREW
MORRIS ROBERT (B.1915-09-30)
MORTENSEN RALPH
PARKER JAY A
PHILLIPS HOWARD
POSSONY STEFAN THOMAS
ROBERTS J.MILNOR
ROCHE GEORGE C III
ROTHSCHILD KATHLEEN TEAGUE
RUDD ELDON
SCHLAFLY J FRED
SINGLAUB JOHN K
SLEEPER RAYMOND S (COL)
SOLOMON GERALD B.H. (R-NY)
TSUAN VICTOR T.H.
TYSON JAMES L
UNITED STATES COUNCIL WORLD FREEDOM
WALT LEWIS W (GEN)

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 6, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Come Lately is now riding to the rescue of McCain, and the base. I am sure the good old boys of hate will rest easy knowing that Sarah is going to prop them up. She, with straight talk's urging, is envoking a fictitious and distorted view of Obama's relationship with Mr. Ayers, who was a terroist when Obama was 8 years old. I assure you, until last week, she never heard of Ayers. I am equally sure that this Sarah Come Lately never heard of the infamous Keating 5, which caused her running mate, that self-righteous, holier then thou Senator, to be rebuked by the Senate's Ethics Committee and, guess what, Mr. Straight Talk was a little older then 8. It is amazing that the Base needs propping up by a never was, who has become a political laughing stock. The good old boys, who hate abotion rights, equal rights and pay for women, minorities, and McCain's position on Immigration, are really stretching it to allow this misguided lap dog to give them a boost. Talk about desperation, WOW. I am sure that the voters are thrilled to hear that McCain wants to turn the page on economics and to attempt to smear Obama. Obama is not Kerry; he has, and will continue to, hit back against these desperate attacks and is unafraid to take on the lies and distortions espoused by McCain and Palin. If I were McCain, I would like to turn the page as well, especially when he has not one idea on how to right the sinking ship of the nation or his party. Mr. holier then thou pledged to run a "clean" campaign, I guess when you are getting your clock cleaned, it's OK to lie, distort, and talk about anything other than issues. By the way, the only cadidate that is being investigated is Palin, the non cooperating Gov. of Alaska. What a team!

Posted by: jbrubin | October 6, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

All this anger and hate from the GOP---all because Obama is winning. The GOP ticket is scrambling and clutching at straws to try to obscure what is important.

You want answers about Ayers. SEe the NY Times....not happy with that? do your own investigation and maybe you'll find something the NY Times and the entire GOP "truth squad" could not find.

In the meanwhile, Obama leads and the smears appear to be helping him---the nation despises the lying and hatred of the GOP and will vote for hope and a better future with Obama. Simple as that.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 6, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Paul Begala's comments on this morning's Meet the Press.
"McCain once "sat on the board of a very right wing organization," the U.S. Council for World Freedom, led by a retired Army Maj. General named John Singlaub. The Anti-Defamation League allegedly called the CWF's parent organization a gathering place for racists and anti-Semites."

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 6, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Should we just start referring to this man as Keating McCain?

Posted by: wrq7iop | October 6, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Luckily for America, we can think for ourselves.


Posted by: AverageAmerican1
********************
yeah, and it's breaking Obama's way...

Posted by: LABC | October 6, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Its supposed to be detrimental that she was once an Independent? Yawn..

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS WHY OBAMA's FINANCIAL POLICY WILL FAIL.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it
would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar
every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day,
the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he
said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks
for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so
the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But
what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they
divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted
that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would
each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested
that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same
amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100%
savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before and the first four
continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men
began to compare their savings.

'I only got a dollar out of the $20', declared the sixth man. He
pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right', exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only
saved a
dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'

'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he
get $10
back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'

'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We
didn't
get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men then surrounded the tenth man and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the
nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay
the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough
money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is
how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the
most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for
being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they
might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat
friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia
http://davidk.myweb.uga.edu/

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

As an average American, from that portion of our country that makes up all but the fringes, it is funny to watch the Washington D.C. crowd scurry about in panic mode over this election.

The Establishment in Washington D.C. has enlisted all of their minions to do their bidding, the media, Hollywood, any way to completely submerse the country in their opinion. In fact, it is so obviously a coordinated effort that the average American can see clearly through it! Whenever everyone you see on television only talks about how great Obama is and how bad McCain is, something’s up!

I know the media power brokers hate to face it but the fact is that the average American is capable of examining all the facts to make an independent decision, not merely rely on the media to guide their decisions. So regardless of how many times CNN replays every Saturday Night Live skit demeaning Mrs. Palin, we will still make our own decisions.

The most basic fact is this: Obama is unqualified for the Presidency on every front. Additionally, Obama has spent 20+ years saying "Amen!" to anti-American, racial hate-speech from his Spiritual Advisor Mr. Wright! This is probably why Obama saw nothing wrong with palling around with anti-American terrorist Mr. Ayers who let's not for get, was so close to Obama that he organized fund raisers for him! That alone demonstrates the fact that Ayers felt that he and Obama shared common views!

On the other hand, there is McCain. A true war hero of iconic proportions! He is uniquely positioned in this election to offer the only relevant experience available to the Presidency in the decision to be made in November.

Why the media power brokers want Obama so badly is a question indeed.

Luckily for America, we can think for ourselves.

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 6, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Yeah... that mean old Bush... it's his fault that the twin towers fell, it's his fault that people died during Katrina, it's his fault that the sub-prime mess is where it is today... oh, wait, that's crap. Truth is:
* TERRORISTS made the twin towers fall, the same kind of people that AYERS is, a close friend of NOBAMA's
* Katrina is a NATURAL DISASTER... was Clinton blamed for hurricanes when he was in office?
* As for the Sub-Prime mess, let's look at several prominent DEMOCRATS... Franklin Raines, Barney Frank, Chriss Dodd... and yes, NOBAMA himself.

NOBAMA = CHANGE (for the worse)

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Palin's Background Has Shined Light On Intense Culture:


THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY.... What may prove to be the single most damaging angle to Sarah Palin's role on the Republican Party ticket? There are quite a few contenders (ethics scandal, earmarks, inexperience, outside-the-mainstream views), but following up on Hilzoy's item from last night, Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party might be the most politically detrimental.

It's practically impossible to make a "Country First" argument when your running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second.


Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law....."

.......Complicating matters, Marc Ambinder has a video of a AIP leader explaining that party members "must 'infiltrate' -- his words -- the other two parties and push for the cause of Alaskan independence."

I suspect McCain and his aides didn't know about any of this. Indeed, they couldn't have -- they didn't vet her. But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense?

STEVE BENEN CBS NEW OCT 5, 08

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 6, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Once Obama stops talking about Bush (the ultimate "guilt by association") then we'll stop talking about Ayers.

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

@gengar843... you said, "Again, specifically, I want to know how Obama thinks philosophically about Ayers, Wright, PLO, Farrakhan. Not his associations, but his THOUGHT processes. From all my analysis, it seems like he has affinity for their ideas. So, THAT is the association I don't like, not whether he was on a board with someone or lived in the neighborhood.

But THOSE points of evidence make it harder for me to believe that Obama is mainstream, Middle-Class as he makes himself out to be."

That's your analysis... of course, based on your sources, whatever they may be. I come from old-school Journalism, so *facts* have to be provable. They Ayers thing is innuendo... a ---> c, with no b.
I know a great investigative reporter, who has looked into Ayers/Obama, and there's nothing there. I have no idea where you get, that Obama's thought processes, may be in-line with Farrakhan, etc, since there's nothing out there, factual, only innuendo.
That said, if I don't respond again, it's only that I'm busy... be well.

Posted by: burf | October 6, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

SeemsToMe that McCain's plan is pretty simple... reduce taxes to employers who will then hire more people. In turn the employees would pay taxes in the way of income from employers.

On the other hand, NOBAMA wants to raise taxes on employers... thereby cutting jobs and raising prices on their products.

The choice seems simple really.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Patriotism may be the last refuge of a scoundrel but there's plenty of room for morally (and financially) bankrupt republicans as well.

When ever cornered by logic or threatened
by defeat they play the patriotism card.

Whatever the subject: wealth, corruption,
lobbyists, loss of basic liberties, war , torture, terrorism or a drop in the polls, there is no end of use for the patriotism card.

So you can imagine their chagrin when Joe Biden tried to use it against them by merely observing that paying taxes could be patriotic.

This could not be tolerated. McCain, the Pope of Patriotism, called it sacrilege and pronounced all claims of patriotic taxpaying to be .... unpatriotic.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

It is amazing how many perfect people live among us. So quick to judge people by their neighbors or by acquaintances from years ago? How fortunate that you are perfect in every way AND you are appointing yourself as judge and jury. I hope you don’t mind in the future when you or your family is found guilty using the same standards.

So what would settle this? Nothing. If the Good Lord above vouched for Obama, you would not accept it. These are meaningless cyclical arguments.

You hate the media BUT you want the media to investigate.

If they investigate and tell you the allegations are baseless, you scream bias.
(see NY Times--they DID investigate)

You scream bias because they will not lie so that you can hear the falsehoods you desire.

You scream about Obama and possible vague associations, but will not see mccain and palin’s PROVEN dishonorable associations (and ethics investigations.)

If Obama was the subject of an investigation for ethics violations you would be apoplectic. But you don’t seem to mind the one palin is under.

This has no beginning and no end.

The real issues, however, involve how either man would run this country if elected in november. Is that too boring to talk about?

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 6, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone happen to catch the ABC news interview with Barry Soetoro (aka NOBAMA) where he admits he is a muslim?

His words... "John McCain never talks about my MUSLIM FAITH."

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

loulor,
In regards to the witchcraft video:

Whether you call it religious whackjobberry (Phoenix New Times) or much ado about nothing, the latest political buzz, besides the economy, is the so-called Sarah Palin Witchcraft Video. As shown on YouTube and reported by the Associated Press, the 2005 church video shows Gov. Sarah Palin being blessed by a Kenyan minister -- to include protection against "all forms of witchcraft."

Filmed at the Wasilla Assembly of God church in Alaska, the Sarah Palin Witchcraft Video depicts Bishop Thomas Muthee praying aloud over a standing, palms-up Palin. The event is rather subdued in comparison to even some TV evangelists programs, lacking physical evidence of fainting and shouting.

Sarah Palin does not speak in the video as Bishop Muthee prays, to include: "Come on, talk to God about this woman. We declare, save her from Satan," and "Make her way my God. Bring finances her way even for the campaign in the name of Jesus." (See the Sarah Palin Witchcraft Video for the full context).

Sarah Palin Witchcraft Video and religious debates

Interestingly, some critics, who profess to protect all religious and fringe freedoms, believe this religious video will be the demise of Sarah Palin. Admittedly, a public display of the laying on of hands is uncommon to the majority of Christian churches, it is far from a fringe ideology. It is estimated that over 20 million Pentecostals live in the U.S. alone., with close to 230,000 churches worldwide.

Additionally, the term witchcraft is used throughout the Christian bible as well as those of pagan origin - denoting various forms of evil and otherworldly practice.

The legitimate debate of any presidential and vice-presidential candidate is how religion affects their world view and politics. Religion has been a primary focus this year, for better and worse, in this campaign, not limited to: Sen. Barack Obama and Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Sen. John McCain and Pastor Rod Parsley, rumors that Obama is a muslim, and the candidates' answers at the Rich Warren Saddleback Forum -- on abortion or otherwise.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

ARGH2,

Maybe because all of these accusations are false and those youtube videos you keep putting up were created by some graphics student.

Want me to look up a few of Barry Soetoro's and present them to the class too? Heil Barry!!!

NOBAMA... Change is coming... but no bills.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Ronald Regan was once asked what his thoughts were regarding when a fetus should be considered a human.

His answer... when it votes republican.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Why no mention of the Palins' anti-American political connections? Sarah's worked with the Alaska Independence Party for many years, with her husband as a registered member and herself as an "operative" posing as a Republican to infiltrate government. I'm not making this stuff up; you can listen to their Vice Chairman spell it out on video:

"Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected... to get along and go along — she eventually joined the Republican Party"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NK2sFJebGc

And here's a video of her participation in their conventions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

She says "Keep up the good work!" to a group whose anti-American founder said things like "The fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government".

Can we really afford to have someone with these hateful ties in the second most powerful position in the country?

Posted by: argh2 | October 6, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

its amazing how many bigots that still walk this earth... you mccain supporters cant say anything substantive other than to racially and falsley attack! its quite pitiful and i will make sure to pray for you all. if you think your candidate will win based on what you all are saying on this blog... you are truley misinformed!

Posted by: rinny_1983 | October 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

The democrats have stooped to new levels this past week. In Orlando they took buses through areas where homeless people hang out and offered them food in exchange for registering to vote... FOR NOBAMA. Wonders never cease. Don't you need an actually "address" to vote any more?

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Any other suggestions?

Posted by: Michelle_Obama
*********************
Yeah, you fake name bully - but it involves a 2 by 4 and vasoline...

Posted by: LABC | October 6, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Why no mention of the Palins' anti-American political connections? Sarah's worked with the Alaska Independence Party for many years, with her husband as a registered member and herself as an "operative" posing as a Republican to infiltrate government.

I'm not making this stuff up; you can listen to their Vice Chairman spell it out on video:

"Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected... to get along and go along — she eventually joined the Republican Party"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NK2sFJebGc

And here's a video of her participation in their conventions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

She says "Keep up the good work!" to a group whose anti-American founder said things like "The fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government".

Can we really afford to have someone with these hateful ties in the second most powerful position in the country?

Posted by: argh2 | October 6, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY on EARTH.

Where else do they elect a president:
. who has limited experience,
. whose friends and associates and spiritual leaders hate whites, Jews, etc.
. who thinks he can negotiate with any terrorist or evil
. whose answer to economic crisis is to tax and take it from the 'rich'
. who changes his christian name to a muslim name
. whose wife was never proud of this nation until..
. whose VP choice thought he is not ready to lead
. who does drugs and conceals his activities in college.

Yes, America is Still the Greatest Country on Earth,
But Not Fo Long.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I guess this is easier to do for Palin, then offer any substantive defense of her ticket's economic policies. We have the Al Quaida equivalent of a global economic meltdown , with the U.S. markets leading the way. We sit, waiting for our third quarter reports on our 401K plans and wonder how far they will have dropped. We have just handed over a $700 billion check for a rescue plan that might...repeat...might stem the hemmoraging, but not the bleeding. And retail stores are bracing themselves for an very bad holiday season. Our job report was, to put it mildly, nausea inducing. BUT BY ALL MEANS, MS. PALIN, LET'S TALK ABOUT AYERS!! Let's have a good chin wag about some 60's radical and his "association" with Obama. Let's keep that story going, Ms. Palin - no wonder you relish it - it reflects you - a lot of flash with nothing to it.

I am going over to give more money to the Obama campaign. And here's why, to take quotes from "The American President" and apply it McCain - Palin:

" I've known Bob Rumson for years, and I've been operating under the assumption that the reason Bob devotes so much time and energy to shouting at the rain was that he simply didn't get it. Well, I was wrong. Bob's problem isn't that he doesn't get it. Bob's problem is that he can't sell it! We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is, I promise you, Bob Rumson is not the least bit interested in solving it. He is interested in two things and two things only: making you afraid of it and telling you who's to blame for it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections. You gather a group of middle-aged, middle-class, middle-income voters who remember with longing an easier time, and you talk to them about family and American values and character. And wave an old photo of the President's girlfriend and you scream about patriotism and you tell them, she's to blame for their lot in life...We've got serious problems, and we need serious people, and if you want to talk about character, Bob, you'd better come at me with more than a burning flag and a membership card. "

Posted by: LABC | October 6, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Typically a president will choose the people that they believe will best work with their thought process. So with that in mind, the following people come to mind as close associates of NOBAMA...

* Secretery of Defense - William Ayers
* Financial Advisor - Franklin Raines
* Treasury - Barney Frank
* Spiritual Advisor - Rev. Jeremiah Wright

Any other suggestions?

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

APalinFan,

Clearly your reading skills are lacking as well. I wasn't basing the charge of incoherence on your username. I was noting how your username went so well with the incoherence of your comment. Look again and see if you can put it together.
I'm not sure what my username has to do with incoherence. And I doubt you know what you mean either. In any case, it's a sarcastic tag I picked years ago in annoyance at WAPO's sign-in system. I figure sarcasm is over your head, though, so I won't try to explain.
Anything else you'd like whine about?

#########################################

bigbrother1,

You might want to change your user name before accusing others of incoherence based solely on their usernames.

Posted by: APalinFan

Posted by: bigbrother1 | October 6, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

McCain's plan is to play the terrorist card and he's succeeded with it to some degree. Republicans and some Democrats who would never vote for a black man can point to Ayers and say "unpatriotic" and still satisfy their inner racist.
If Nobama as he is called does overcome the Bradley effect, then they will be able to appreciate the knawing discomfort genuine democrats have endured watching Dubya for 8 long years.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

McCain was chastised by the notoriously easy-going Senate Ethics Committee for "very bad judgment."

Yup.

The same judgment that has his campaign being run almost entirely by lobbyists, mostly for the financial industry.

Of course McCain wants talk about any scary person Obama has ever met in his life.

Otherwise, he'd have to talk about how the Republicans have driven the S&P 500 back to where it was in 1996!

Twelve years of appreciation: poof! Gone.

Take a look at any chart of the markets over the last 50 years, and you'll see why McCain doesn't want to talk about the economy.

Posted by: nodebris | October 6, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

do the republicans know that talking about ayers will not help them... dont they know by talking about ayers and wright will not help them win!!! the only thing it does it round up the republican base... you can tell this by all the racist and bigot remarks made by republicans on this blog!!!!! you all are doing nothing to bring over independent voters!! dont you all get that!! Palin is destructing your party...Mccain is destructing your party!! What will they do to fix everything somebody please tell me that what will Mccain/Palin do to help!! WAIT A MINUTE I HEAR CRICKETS!!!!

Posted by: rinny_1983 | October 6, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Let me see if I have this straight.

Sarah What's-Her-Name, prayed over by a Kenyan witch-hunter who asked God to make her governor, is criticizing Obama for Jeremiah Wright?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4HIc-yfgM&eurl=h

The story behind the witch hunter is that he rose to fame by falsely accused a Kenyan woman of creating traffic accidents on a roadway near Nairobi by casting spells.

Reports from Nairobi say that woman, ostracized and brow-beaten by a superstitious public, has since disappeared.

Sarah (you extremist bimbo), you are such an inspiration.

Posted by: loulor | October 6, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if NOBAMA will make Ayers the Secretery of Defense? Now wouldn't that be something.

How long does someone need to be in office before impeachment proceedings can begin?

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain is hot. John's got good taste.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

CHANGE...
It's all you'll have left if NOBAMA gets into office.

On the bright side though, since likely EVERYONE will be unemployed, it will be more difficult for the banks to repo all your stuff, they wouldn't have enough storage space to put everything. And since no one will be able to afford to buy a house no one will want yours. So we'll all revert back to the stone age, but at least we'll still have our stuff.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

It should also be pointed out that Cindy McCain made $15 million from a $500000 investment in a shopping center with Keating and got out before the collapse while Keating's fall left 21,000 bond holders, including pensioners who had been mis sold, with nothing. McCain's defence that he had simply been helping a constituent was dubious in the extreme.

Posted by: iansmccarthy | October 6, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Umm Seemstome you are WAY out of line. I'm not the one suggesting racial oppression here, that would be YOU. You are one scary human being.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

You don't hear anything about MCCAIN and the Keating5, because HE IS INNOCENT AND THERE'S NOTHING TO PIN ON HIM. See, isn't that nice? If you don't do anything wrong, you can't be blamed for anything.

NOBAMA on the other hand HAS done wrong, IS doing wrong, and WILL KEEP doing wrong.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I have been wondering why McCain had not been linked to the Keating S & L Bailout....since it cost the USA tax payers 125B but what happen to Mr Keating did he forefit his assets.....NO! Look my problem is Why should the taxpayer bailout the fat cats....the people who invested in the S & L scam of Keating would not have given the taxpayer a dime if the investment would have made a profit....just like the wall street bailout executive has made unbelieveable amounts of money until the bottom fell out....no criminal charges, no payback, just use the old stand-by the taxpayer who is strapped already with job loss, higher fuel cost (winter is near) food cost up 30%...Ronald Reagan started that trickle down economic solution....only problem it didn't make it to the bottom.....the breaks allowed Big Business to use the cash to start companies in other countries to take advantage of cheap (slave) labor...I'm no genius, just a high school graduate but I do understand economic 101. If material cost is equal in a competive market then profit has to be derived from cheaper labor cost.....it was not because America moved from slavery because they finally realize how inhumane that system of productivity was...it was because mechanization was cheaper and faster. We don't care (as long as it's not in our face) what the poor workers conditions are, how old/young.....all we have to say is I DIDN'T KNOW.....OUR CONSCIOUS IS CLEAR.....Capitalism requires a continuous new market for goods and services....we have shed all most all labor intense manufacturing products....the labor rate is to high we are told to compete in the world market....but it depends on what you are trying to sale....technological advance products seems to garner a good price on the world market.....aircraft, communication products, military hardware/software....we have technologies that we don't export but maybe we could use some of them for peaceful application instead of death and destruction and save or create jobs!

Posted by: dnmni4142 | October 6, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

to tnmama, the dry cleaners called and left a message. Your Klan robes have a spot that just won't come out.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"On the other hand, Senator Obama became associated with a rehabilitated Ayers through their mutual work with a charity organization. Quite a difference."

Yeah he's so "rehabilitated" that he still says he doesn't regret the bombings and wish he did more. Yay for people with the mental reasoning of neanderthals. Just goes to show evolution can pass some people right up.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

SeemsToMe = Black Panther Party

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"If Barrack Obama becomes president he will take over the country for African Americans by consolidating their power in the House and Senate.
These approximately forty two members will become dictatorial influencing all phases of white American's lives.
But they can only do this with Obama as president"


Seemstone, WTH? I'm confused.. Are you advocating this?

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Oh come on... does anyone really believe that blacks would stick together like that just because they are black?

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

At least I can see there are a number of people on this blog who recognize who is at fault for the Fannie/Freddie mess. Its pathetic MSM is so dishonorable the only places you see it are "right wing radio and fox news."

It's pretty clever of MSM and democrats to paint Fox news as "extreme right" since its the ONLY NEWS OUTLET where people can see both sides of the story and not a permanent tongue up Obamas azz.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

To all you NOBAMA supporters, don't forget to get your arm bands and practice your skills at standing in formation and raising your right arms.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, these two things are practically equal. Sen. McCain was associated with a banker, and Sen. Obama was associated with a bomber...

Posted by: PASpilman | October 6, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

If Barrack Obama becomes president he will take over the country for African Americans by consolidating their power in the House and Senate.
These approximately forty two members will become dictatorial influencing all phases of white American's lives.
But they can only do this with Obama as president.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

How does that change the fact that JOHN MCCAIN at least TRIED to fix this mess... There were only four senators on that bill... and none of them were democrats.

NOBAMA was likely busy over charging un-insured people at his wife's hospital while she collects an obsene salary for her BOD efforts.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

burf: Your numbers are correct, but your reasoning is faulty. The Republicans NEVER blocked reform of Fannie and Freddy. The Democrats have CONTROL of Congress. How can you say "limited power" about a Democrat Congress and yet say the Republicans "ran wild" when they had control?

This Congress IS do-nothing. They went on vacation while gas prices rose, but the Republicans stayed behind in the dark as a protest. Say what you will about motive, they did this.

So, the Republicans have mucked up a bunch of stuff, but Fannie and Freddy is the Democrats.

ripley8: What is with you and name-calling?

Now, you say the "Dems can be corrupt." Good. I need to hear you own some.

Here's a freebie from me to you: Bush has been corrupt on spending.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

So McCain has "long regretted his involvement" with Keating? Right, he only regrets he got caught--and he got off with a slap on the wrist. McCain's involvement with Keating was substantial and motivated by personal greed. Obama served on a charity board with Ayers, decades after Ayers' transgression, and they have had no contact for more than a year. McCain has befriended G. Gordon Liddy, a convicted felon who advocates shooting federal agents on hateful radio program.

Posted by: azjimn2son | October 6, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Amen Cryos. I hate Bill O' Reilly, but I loved watching him rip Barney Frank a new one over this!

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm happy to debate these two issues all day long. Obama's Ayers activities are relevant because we are at war with terrorists.

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

From Michelle -

How does that change the fact that JOHN MCCAIN fought to fix the sub-prime mess in 2005. This is not disputable. I didn't see NOBAMA's name mentioned as one of the four co-sponsors to that attempt... instead he was lining his pockets with dirty money.

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McCains 2005 effort never got out of the Republican committee...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190

Here's another FACT: When the bill came up again in 2007, McCain wasn't even a sponsor!

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1100

Last FACT: Both bills included these deregulatory gems that probably would have crashed the whole system had either been passed:

Excludes the Federal Home Loan Banks from certain securities reporting requirements.
Abolishes the Federal Housing Finance Board.


Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I love how the economy is being pinned on republicans and the people are stupid enough to buy it. The biggest beneficiaries of Fannie/Freddie money (the agencies at the ROOT of this problem) like Barney and Dodd have the nerve to lecture about regulation while they received a lot of money to block regulations in 2003 and 2005.

Even Clinton admits the democrats have fault for the economy, yet the media can't come out of Obama's pockets long enough to talk about it.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

............ and yet you don't blame Bush for NOT undoing it ? or the cons who controlled congress for 6 years ??

hypocrite.

I'm not saying dems can't be corrupt , but this one falls for the bulk of it in con laps.... own it.

say what you will about Obama , at least he didn't vote 90% of the time with Bush and then try to peddle the lie that he was different than. McCain = Bush 3

Our country needs it's honor and allies back and we aren't going to do that with McSame.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

burf,

How does that change the fact that JOHN MCCAIN fought to fix the sub-prime mess in 2005. This is not disputable. I didn't see NOBAMA's name mentioned as one of the four co-sponsors to that attempt... instead he was lining his pockets with dirty money.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

ok you want to blame Clinton ....

ripley8- I see your point, and how you came to it, but you conveniently forgave Bill Clinton for signing on to Republican legislation. You also forgave the Democrats Committees (Banking, Finance) which would not put reform or oversight onto FNMA/FRE. Even if you claim that the Republicans had control, this is only until 2006, and in 2007 and 2008, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, and the rest are on tape saying "everything is fine."

If you won't allow yourself to see that Democrats can be corrupt also, how will an Obama term be any different than a Bush term? Again, Bush is oil, Democrats are all about minorities, especially affordable housing. This is not racism, just the truth. Get with it.

You MUST uncloud your vision and say to yourself that Obama WILL be different than Bush on some things but the SAME on others. Why do you think Bush, Paulson, Pelosi, and Obama are all on the same page? Without changing the subject to McCain and Republicans.

winngerald - I'm only going to comment one part- that Obama didn't use his office to help Ayers. Not true. He helped Ayers and Father Flagler, and maybe some others. You can deny it, or call names, but you can't make it untrue.


............ and yet you don't blame Bush for undoing it ? or the cons who controlled congress for 6 years ??

hypocrite.

I'm not saying dems can't be corrupt , but this one falls for the bulk of it in con laps.... own it.

say what you will about Obama , at least he didn't vote 90% of the time with Bush and then try to peddle the lie that he was different than. McCain = Bush 3

Our country needs it's honor and allies back and we aren't going to do that with McSame.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

@gengar843: who was in control of the Congress, the Executive branch, 2002 - 2006?
Yes, the GOP. The Dems had no power. Even these past 2 years, most of what the Dems have wanted to do, has been blocked by the GOP. It was the GOP strategy, to paint the Dems as the *do-nothing* Congress, even though their filibusters caused this.
So, even now, the Dems wield very limited power, even with majorities... not to mention that the Dems have many conservatives within the Party, that often vote against what the Dem Party wanted to accomplish.
The GOP has held the White House 28 of the last 40 years, including the last 8; nominated seven of the nine Supreme Court justices and held Congress for 12 of the last 14 years, including 6 of the last 8.
The financial mess, the wars, the breaking of the Military, our credibility abroad, etc, is the result of GOP rule.

Posted by: burf | October 6, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

sallieismydog: FINALLY, you make sense. YES, I will agree to show McCain's and Palin's grades if we can get Obama's grades, his thesis paper, the story on how he made the President of Harvard Law Review, etc. These pieces are MISSING. I will GLADLY trade you.

BTW, your name, Sallie reminds me that the next crisis is the credit crisis. SallieMae is the Student Loan office. Oy! We are in for the next wave.

Explanation: The housing economic crisis has now spread overseas. THAT wave will cause credit card companies and loan companies to get tighter. People who live on credit will go default. Bad bankruptcy laws (ugh) will cause many to become almost slaves, debtor's prison. This will cripple us.

BUT.. it gets worse when the insurance crisis hits us, and credit default swaps come due. Then, America will have to renege on its national debt, and world war will begin.

Nice knowing ya.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm waiting for the Washington Post to follow up on the Donald Diamond story, published by the New York Times here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/us/politics/22diamond.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp

Posted by: katharinestavrinou | October 6, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

A great man (Powell) admits when he's wrong, and does what he can to fix it.

NOBAMA has done wrong, he refuses to admit it, and he will continue to do it until he ruins everything.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

All evil man came to power at the times of tremendous instability and financial chaos. I suspect this time around it will not be any different. Everybody who want to talk about Obama's rhetoric and not who he is as a man, do not understand the danger he present to our way of life. Sad, very sad.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Ripley,
Is that seriously your rebuttal? LMAO!!! A survey? A survey (no doubt taken by 90% liberals) does not convey facts, but opinions. I'll actually humor you if you can find something that states actual fact.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Give me issues, not more of the same Rove campaign trash. Independents are sick of this character assassination politics.

With the republican caimpaign machine in over drive the best they have is a lose association with a professor at a college.

McCain is up to his neck with associating with the wrong people. With Palin, she has not been in DC and look at the dirt that is following her and "first Dude".

After being subject to Palin and first Dude, I wish the AIP all the best. Where do I go to donate to the AIP campaign?

Stick to the issues

Posted by: alan15 | October 6, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Colin Powell is a great man. NOBAMA couldn't stand in his shadow."

I like Powell, but he readily admitted he lied before the UN. that's when I lost my respect for him. he knew that info was twisted by bushco.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Neither candidate is clean. Given McCain is older and has more years in politics he probably has more skeletons in the closet. The fact is we are in two wars and are in a recession and all you fools can talk about is who knew who. None of these attacks have any weight and just change the subject from the issues. Anyone who thinks these attacks are important instead of the issues should have their right to vote taken away because you don't care able the issues. All you care about is empty rhetoric and hate. Try something unique listen to the issues and how each candidate plans to fix them and ignore the rest and tell each canidate we don't want to hear anything else but how he will lead America.

Posted by: rnbelg | October 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

A shame you feel that way.

Now back on topic... NOBAMA IS A TERRORIST.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

On the contrary seemstone, I would vote for Colin Powell a million times over Obama. I'm guessing by your comment that you are deeming anyone who dares to go against Obama racist. His skin color means nothing to me. His lack of experience and his associations with radical terrorists and hate mongerers, however does.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

ripley8- I see your point, and how you came to it, but you conveniently forgave Bill Clinton for signing on to Republican legislation. You also forgave the Democrats Committees (Banking, Finance) which would not put reform or oversight onto FNMA/FRE. Even if you claim that the Republicans had control, this is only until 2006, and in 2007 and 2008, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, and the rest are on tape saying "everything is fine."

If you won't allow yourself to see that Democrats can be corrupt also, how will an Obama term be any different than a Bush term? Again, Bush is oil, Democrats are all about minorities, especially affordable housing. This is not racism, just the truth. Get with it.

You MUST uncloud your vision and say to yourself that Obama WILL be different than Bush on some things but the SAME on others. Why do you think Bush, Paulson, Pelosi, and Obama are all on the same page? Without changing the subject to McCain and Republicans.

winngerald - I'm only going to comment one part- that Obama didn't use his office to help Ayers. Not true. He helped Ayers and Father Flagler, and maybe some others. You can deny it, or call names, but you can't make it untrue.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Ripley,

I am actually quite informed, having studied economics in college. Chew on this:

After listening to either uninformed or patently lying Democrat operatives on Fox News, this Saturday morning..............

well well Fox news. proves your not that informed.

here - chew on this .

Study shows Fox News viewers misinformed

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/16/daily-show-fox-knowledge/

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

seemstome, that's a sad thing... be ready for the end of days if NOBAMA gets into office.

But then, he's a chain smoker, he might not make it to full term. Haven't the democrats been pushing for cigarette companies to help people quit? NOBAMA isn't much of a leader on that front either I guess.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Michelle_Obama you would be on the front lines throwing crap at Powell just like you are now.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

McCain's Keating activities are relevant today because the same methods (greed facilitated by deregulation) that contributed to the S&L disaster have been practiced by McCain and his cohorts ever since. We're now seeing an identical outcome - financial industries crashing and the taxpayer coming to the rescue. McCain facilitated this in the 80s and didn't change his allegiances.

On the other hand, Senator Obama became associated with a rehabilitated Ayers through their mutual work with a charity organization. Quite a difference.

Posted by: bamccampbell | October 6, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I know a man who knew Hitler, and take it from him, Hitler was no Obama.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Gabbamonkey, you are seriously delusional if you think Obama didn't know who Ayers was.. I bet you think that he was somehow oblivious to the hate sermons Wright preached during his 20 years as a member of his church too. I can't fathom why anyone would want to vote for a man that has so many dangerous associations.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Dear JPRS,
You clearly don't have a clue about the communism and taxation. People did not know how much taxes they paid in the USSR, all they new they got a paycheck, about 150 rubbles on average in the late 70s (rubble was 1 to 4 to dollar). So the average salary in dollars was $37 dollars a month. On the international arena communists did advertised low tax rate, I guess that is were you get your 10% number, but in reality it was the highest in the world.

As to US having one of the worst healthcare system, you must be smoking something heavy. In Canada today you can be waiting for 6 months for a doctor's appointment. I will not even explain to you, how it was in USSR. You are clearly starting to re-write the history books. Something Obama, I am sure will do the minute he gets into office. Spike Lee is already doing it with his latest movie.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Colin Powell is a great man. NOBAMA couldn't stand in his shadow.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Ayers publically admits that he was disappointed that the 9/11 terrorists didn't do more. Just because he hasn't been "active" for forty years doesn't make him any less guilty. Once a terrorist, always a terrorist.

NOBAMA is a crook.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

McCain is a fraud:

I have had a problem with the statements that John McCain refused to repatriate with his military unit and family after his captors wanted to release him. I kept hearing something from my training when I reported to Camp Le jeune, N.C. - it was the Code of Conduct that I was required to recite each day while I was in boot camp. The word “escape” stood out in my mind. I looked up the Code of Conduct. There it was Article III:
Code of Conduct Article III.

"If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy."

McCain violated the Code of Conduct while a prisoner at the so-called Hanoi Hilton. I have read that his captors wanted to release him but he refused to leave. That is a violation of Article III of the Fighting Soldier’s Code of Conduct which is also contained in Title 10 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

McCain refused to provide helpful information to families of captured Americans. He refused to rejoin his wife an kids. He refused to provide critical information to military leaders. He refused to rejoin his air combat unit as an experienced pilot. There were many more questions that the military needed to ask in order to attempt a rescue of other prisoners, learn the unit name and other information about his captors, captors’ habits of moving prisoners (he had been moved to a place called “Plantation Gardens” which he never mentions), the valuable information was withheld by McCain that would have notified families that their loved ones were either alive or dead.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 6, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

If Colin Powell were running for president the same people who are attacking Obama would attack him. If Obama gets elected what would happen? These attackers would start getting a financial break in life that McCain has no intention of giving them.
They would be happier living in a tent than to have a black president.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

why don't we get all four candidates to post their grades? That seems to be REALLY important.....

Good luck getting mccain's ---he was near the bottom of his class for some reason.

Good luck getting palins---she went to so many colleges to try to graduate, it will take a while. PLUS, she 'll tell you to shove off since all of her business is TOP SECRET.

If you need Obama's grades from almost 30 years ago to help you make your voting decision, surely you need mccain's and palin's too.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 6, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

HA HA HA... videos of Palin huh. Well there's at least two dozen videos linking NOBAMA with HITLER... should we believe those too? Moron.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

burf: You make a great point, and here's why.

If both candidates promised the high road, both candidates failed. Doesn't matter who started. In fact, I might make a case that McCain the hawk could be forgiven in a way for his angry temperament whereas Obama the supposedly cool cucumber and diplomat has been seen as the emperor with no clothes. Yes, you can look at it opposite, but see my point?

I agree.. skeletons in both closets. But let's be fair.

Let's make Michelle and Cindy off-limits.
Let's take out personal problems, like adultery and cocaine use, cancelling each other out.
Let's remove Keating 5, which McCain has apologized for, and Rev. Wright, which Obama has distanced himself from.

But there is plenty left on both sides.

Again, specifically, I want to know how Obama thinks philosophically about Ayers, Wright, PLO, Farrakhan. Not his associations, but his THOUGHT processes. From all my analysis, it seems like he has affinity for their ideas. So, THAT is the association I don't like, not whether he was on a board with someone or lived in the neighborhood.

But THOSE points of evidence make it harder for me to believe that Obama is mainstream, Middle-Class as he makes himself out to be.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

GENGAR - McCain was for deregulation long before Clinton. Deregulation under Clinton came by way of legislation pushed by republicans = McCain.

please - read more.

One could argue, quite accurately, that John McCain is responsible for the Nation's economic crisis. McCain has worked his entire career to deregulate the financial industry - with disastrous results.

In the 1980's McCain was a key figure in deregulating the savings and loan industry. McCain parlayed it into highly profitable graft for himself. That led to wholesale theft and the collaspe of many S&Ls. McCain got caught in the the ensuing scandal but successfully used his POW line to wiggle free.
McCain's economic guru, Phil Gramm, slipped the "Enron Loophole" into legislation in the year 2000. This deregulatory loophole was used by that infamous company to game the electricity markets so egregiously that it led to Enron's own collapse. Since then, McCain has blocked every effort to close the loophole which is now being used by energy traders to game gasoline prices.
The current banking crisis traces back to the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. Again Phil Gramm get direct blame for deregulating banks. Again, John McCain followed Gramm like an servile puppy in the effort. The effect is an economic crisis the world has not seen in 75 years.

McCain has said he will make Phil Gramm Treasury Secretary.
McCain's son, Andrew, ran an Arizona bank into bankruptcy earlier this year under curious, at least, circumstances.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

OK, let's see here...McCain and Palin think it's bad that Obama served on a non-profit board or was introduced to Chicago political people at a coffee hosted by Ayers...even though Obama condemned Ayers' actions of 40 years ago AND has never used his office to benefit Ayers. McCain and his supporters also think it's bad that Obama bought--at market rate--a sliver of land next to his Chicago home from the WIFE of Rezko, although Obama has never used his office to intervene on behalf of Rezko and received no financial benefit from the purchase of that land. Basically, McCain and Palin want us to believe that Obama is guilty "by association" and that somehow these "associations" reflect poorly on Obama's judgement.

If we apply the same standard to McCain and Palin, they are actually a LOT worse. McCain used his office to intervene on behalf of Charles Keating to protect him from fraud charges that eventually came to Keating's conviction, the failure of Lincoln S&L (where hundreds lost their life savings from his fraud), and the cost of BILLIONS to American taxpayers from the S&L scandal. McCain also pushed deregulation of S&L's then that led to the billions lost in the S&L bailout. They try to say that McCain was never charged with misconduct, but they fail to mention that the Senate CENSURED McCain at the time for his ethics misconduct in the Keating scandal. Not only did he not learn anything from that experience, it speaks strongly about McCain's lack of judgement in directly involving himself in a criminal investigation and abusing his office to benefit the convicted felon Keating, his political benefactor.

Not enough for you? Then look at these:

--McCain fundraiser and Florida GOP finance chairman Harry Sargeant (a close friend of Florida Gov. Crist) controls a company under investigation for over-charging the government on an Iraq contract; he has done several fundraisers for McCain and has bundled hundreds of thousands in contributions to McCain from Abu Naba'a and Palestinian Faisal Abdullah and his extended family.

--McCain has accepted contributions and fundraising from Ralph Reed, an unindicted co-conspirator of convicted felon Jack Abramoff. When Reed's fundraising became public, McCain refused to disassociate himself from it, once again calling into question his judgement in associating with criminal figures.

--In a near-repeat of the Keating Scandal, former Oregon GOP Chairman and McCain fundraiser Craig Berkman stole money from investors, was ordered by courts to repay his investors, declared bankruptcy, then weeks later wrote a check to the Republican National Committee for $23,900. He continues to raise money for McCain and the GOP, making McCain once again guilty of fraud by association.

--Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager and long-time advisor, was paid $35,000 a MONTH by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over 5 years (a total of more than $2 million) to protect them from government regulation. Unfortunately, Davis was like a ghost payroller defrauding Fannie and Freddie, because he was paid millions and DID NO WORK. This calls into question McCain's judgement when his closest advisor links him to the mortgage market collapse-and-bailout, and also feels no need to render services for payments he received.

--The retired editor of the (conservative) Arizona Republic newspaper has written about McCain's extensive use of his office to further his personal vendettas against people and organizations who didn't do what McCain wanted. Abusing one's elected office to pursue personal animosity-driven agendas is not appropriate behavior for a U.S. Senator, let alone a U.S. President, and it again calls into question the judgement of McCain and his motives for pursuing the presidency.

--Palin has apparently used her office as the governor of an isolated unpopulated state to pursue her own personal vendettas, and both she and McCain have attempted to derail an indepedent investigation into her alleged misuse of her office that could clear her if she's not guilty. Unfortunately, their actions to stop an investigation by the Republican-dominated Alaska Legislature into Palin's conduct in office seems to indicate that Palin indeed has something to hide and that the truth would be negative for the McCain-Palin campaign. Not only does the selection of Palin to be his running mate reflect extremely poorly on McCain's judgement and fitness for office, it also demonstrates that he either did not sufficiently vet Palin prior to her selection as running mate or that he DID look into her background and doesn't care about the appearance of impropriety in Palin's conduct in office.

So, who should you be more worried about? Who has a far worse record of extremely poor judgement and intolerable associations? The answer is pretty clear.

Posted by: winngerald | October 6, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

PALIN WANTS TO PLAY THE GUILT BY ASSOCIATION GAME? OOOOK! WELL THIS VIDEO SHOULD BE MADE INTO A COMMERCIAL. Let's talk about Palin's association with the Alaskan Independence Party? Her husband (and probably her) has been a part of an organization in Alaska that preaches secession from the USA. They are not all that nice. PLEASE WATCH, READ AND SHARE:

* Video: Sarah Palin addresses the Alaska Independence Party convention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

* Article

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palins_attack_on_obamas_patrio.php#more

Posted by: d_hyperion | October 6, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama - McCain was not cleared of "poor judgment".

Besides I'm still waiting to take you out.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 6, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Ripley,

I am actually quite informed, having studied economics in college. Chew on this:

After listening to either uninformed or patently lying Democrat operatives on Fox News, this Saturday morning—Mary Anne Marsh and other multiple Democrat Obama-supporters—blame the Bush administration and Republicans for the current financial crisis, I felt it imperative to be one more voice in at least attempting to set the record straight. As they are backing Obama for POTUS and actively working against McCain, the leftist mainstream media certainly will not do it.The current financial crisis facing the United States of America and the world began with the US home ownership debacle and President William Jefferson Clinton. In 1994, Clinton signed a bill to promote low-income home ownership that Business Week calls “one that argues for creative measures to promote homeownership” for those applicants who did not qualify for fixed mortgages. And these applicants came in droves and were almost always approved—no matter their credit histories or ability to pay. Said “creative ownership” began the heavy distribution of ARMs (Adjustable Rate Mortgages) that ensued. These ARMs began low but, are based on the market. As the market changed, the rates—and subsequent monthly payments for homeowners—rose to rates that the homeowners could no longer afford. Foreclosures on the ARM properties began and, like Dominos cascading onto one another, the current financial meltdown began.Both Fannie Mae and Freddie MAC were essentially and quietly taken over by the Clinton Administration and his operatives and supporters—including Franklin Raines who ran Fannie Mae and ended up with over $6M his first year—raided both corporations which had become their personal slush funds. From his days of running Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines is reported to have accumulated a personal net worth of over $100M. Another Clintonian buddy—Jamie Gorelick (remember her from the CIA/FBI fiasco?)—is also said to be personally worth in excess of $100M. It appears that some in government service CAN achieve wealth beyond the wildest dreams of most of us! They just have to sell their souls to the highest bidder and be willing to betray their fellow Americans. This fortune was accumulated during her years (1997-2003) as Vice Chairman of Fannie Mae. The fraudulent accounting scheme which apparently allowed for Democrats Raines, Gorelick and other Clinton supporters to achieve vast fortunes in a very short period of time was brought to light in 2004.

As mortgage firms and investment banks heavily leveraged by ARM mortgages started to be adversely affected by the number of foreclosures, the current financial crisis began in earnest.

Democrats Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) also the Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee—of all things—and Democrat presidential Candidate Barack Obama (who is reported to be the 3rd largest recipient of Fannie Mae political contributions—said to be over $100K in less than 4 years) have also benefited greatly from these Democrats’ personal slush funds. However, in the worst cut to We the People from the knife of corruption, the very people who created this problem will now be in charge of “correcting” it! Does this make any sense to anyone except those who have received and continue to receive funds from these institutions?

If we really want to get rid of these corruptions we have to vote these sleazes out of office. That requires courage. The only question remaining is: Do we have the internal fortitude to do it? If the answer is “No”, you can kiss your money and your country good bye and prepare for inevitable serfdom.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I see the welfare checks must have come in early today... every low-life democrat with a computer is on here like flies on poo. And in this case, the "poo" is NOBAMA.

John McCain was completely cleared of any wrong doing. There is no evidence whatsoever that he did anything wrong. On the other hand, there is PROOF POSITIVE that NOBAMA co-horts with criminals and terrorists.

But you lowly democrats don't care... your entire party rallies around "gangster rap" and "teachers sleeping with students" and "being in gangs is cool". For you, NOBAMA's relationship with Ayers and Rezko and Raines is a sign that he's definately the right guy for you.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 6, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

dano111: OK, I'm interested. What IF you're right? Now what? What does it signify?

But the followup: if you're willing to follow EVERY lead on EVERY candidate, then why not ask yourself about Obama? Did YOU.. PERSONALLY.. investigate Obama and Biden as closely as you have Palin and McCain?

I would like to know the results. You obviously have investigative talents. Perhaps you should work up a case for/against Obama-Ayers connection using all sources.

Specifically, I want to know why we can't get Columbia school records, senior thesis paper, Annenberg Challenge records, Woods Foundation records.

Also, I would like to know the Clinton-Ayers connection, that Clinton pardoned him.

So, get cracking if you want to be serious. I, for one, would listen to you.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I used to get a kick out of Don Imus, another racist, who used to say "Kerry is my man" and "I'm voting for him but I don't know why anyone else would"

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Husssein had businesses with corrupt indicted Rezko, McCain with the Keating 5; they both stand up to defend the great bank robbery of 2008:

THEY ARE THE SAME!

A= McCain (Bush's third term)
B=Bush administration
C=Hussein

If A = B and C = A, then C (Hussein)=B (Bush administration)

Posted by: cintronlourdes | October 6, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I had hoped McCain would live by his words, earlier this year, to stick to the issues.
Obama's tried to stick to the issues.
When McCain started his first wave of attack ads (ie: Paris Hilton, Raines, etc), Obama kept quiet about Keating.
But, this latest wave of guilt-by-association garbage, opened the door for Keating. And if they start the Rev Wright stuff again, it'll be bye-bye Palin, with her Pastor's anti-Israel garbage, and Witch Doctor healing.
There's also Cindy McCain's family ties to the Mob.
Everyone in Politics, crosses paths with questionable people. Unless there is factual evidence, of wrong-doing, the rest is garbage... like the Ayers nonsense.

Posted by: burf | October 6, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

ripley8: We've been through this. 1993 was a vote to deregulate, and it was for Clinton. Remember him? The good guy for economics, right? The 1993 legislation did nothing to cause this problem. It was Clinton in 1999 who repealed Glass-Steagall, and Barney Frank, from about 2002-2008, who decried that Fannie and Freddy should see any oversight.

Look, even IF 1993 had something to do with it, it's not the ROOT.

And, even IF 1993 had something to do with it, George Bush, beginning in 2001, told Congress that Fannie and Freddy needed oversight, and Frank, Schumer, Dodd, and the rest all said NO. This is on videotape. You can find it easily.

Bush's gig is OIL. The Democrats' gig is affordable housing.

I'll give the Dems points for good intentions, and so McCain HELPED you by voting to deregulate banks to help affordable housing, BUT...

The Dems went crazy by saying NO to reform and oversight from 2002-2008. Even until June of THIS YEAR, Barney Frank said that FNMA/FRE was solid going forward. Two months later...splat.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

That's right Dems, forget that Obama is connected to a known terrorist and focus on some obscure scandal McCain was found to be least involved in. I thought Obama was above the smears and focused on the issues? Sorry Osama, oops I mean Obama, but which is worse? Associating with the likes of Ayers and Rezko, or minimal involvement in a financial scandal 20 years ago? I'm taking my chances with McCain!

Posted by: tnmam
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I find it funny that when Obama hits McClame, you repugs get all offended but it's ok for your boy to attack? See Obama said that what this guy did was horrible. he didn't know who he was when they worked together. They didn't do anything illegal so according to YOU, he's guilty? I'm going to say this really slow since you're having issues grasping this, the only people that finds this juicy is YOU REPUGS! If THIS is all you got then your boy is DONE! We can go Keating 5. I know you're going to say well he was innocent blah blah blah, but by bringing up this stupid association with this guy, you force MCclame to rebutt this and use MORE money which he can't afford to do. So Obama will make him spend more money on this rather than on issues. Obama wins either way and it's THAT FACT THAT HAS YOU ALL UP IN ARMS!!! Obama is going to win and win big because of all the mistakes he's made in this campaign starting with picking such a dumb VP. Sorry, guys, this race is over, mcClame doesn't have enough states to make up for the electoral vote loss. LOLOL

Posted by: gabbamonkey | October 6, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Sarah would have addressed a Klan meeting if it would get her elected VP. Forget her supposedly gay friend.
Ask her how many African American friends she has.
Todd Palin is more than just a casual member of the Alaska Independence Party.
He was participating in their activities for years. Only now that his membership is an embarassment to the governor does the AIP website claim that he was not used by them. They also take great pains to point out that Sarah Palin was not a member - even though she addressed their convention this year.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

PALIN BOMBSHELL!

Why wasn't Sara Plain at least 7 months pregnant in this public, unaltered Governors photo taken with President Bush in February 2008?

Her baby was supposedly born on April 18, 2008.

http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/2008Meeting.htm (Feb, 2008) Click "view larger photo".

This photo is from March 14th 2008, where she clearly is not pregnant:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Finally, she is also on the cover of December issue of Vogue which was taken December 12, 2007. She should have been 4-5 months preganant. Clearly shes not.

Reportedly, her water broke the day before or hours before she gave birth in Texas and flew 8 hour to Alaska in labor? Would a doctor/ the airline allow this?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 6, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

PALIN BOMBSHELL!

Why wasnt Sara Plain is not at least 7 months pregnant in this public, unaltered Governors photo taken with President Bush in February 2008?

Her baby was supposedly born on April 18, 2008.

http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/2008Meeting.htm (Feb, 2008) Click "view larger photo".

This photo is from March 14th 2008, where she clearly is not pregnant:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Finally, she is also on the cover of December issue of Vogue which was taken December 12, 2007. She should have been 4-5 months preganant. Clearly shes not.

Reportedly, her water broke the day before or hours before she gave birth in Texas and flew 8 hour to Alaska in labor? Would a doctor/ the airline allow this?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 6, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Rebuke by ethics committee is a fact, 'palling around with terrorits' is a characterization - big difference - primarily because the latter requires one to hyporcritically apply guilt by association. This is par for the course smear tactics for the Republican party.

Posted by: DPoniatowski | October 6, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

gabbamonkey: If I got you to stop for one minute and think a little more, then I'm happy. I don't care if you vote Obama or McCain. My problem has ALWAYS been with liars.

I'll start with my guy. He had me until he voted YES on the bailout. Palin is OK with me, regardless of problems, so it won't help you to argue this. But the bailout vote really steamed my noodles.

Now, Obama, he lost me very early on. I can't recall exactly what happened but he never restored my interest. It's not about black. It's not about Muslim, whether or not. I guess it was when he said Rev. Wright was like family to him, then he discarded him like trash, after he said Wright married him, baptized his kids, etc. For me, being religious, when your pastor does this, you probably know him pretty well. 20 years in the church and claiming not to know him?

Again, Wright is crazy, but that's not my main issue. The main issue was Obama looking like a liar.

And the bailout bill to me was another example of say one thing, do another.

I'm not thrilled with either candidate, but I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain just like I held my nose and voted for Bush over Kerry, who I still can't stand. And I'm glad Edwards wasn't the veep for the same reason-lying.

And please don't slam me on Edwards- I'm making a point.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

gengar....take your one vote and have fun. No one cares.

You obviously despise Obama. And you all have had YEARS to investigate him. Don't trust him? Start a club and donate money and get an investigative team....oh wait, GOP has already done that with NO results.

Palin is a law breaker---seems like that would matter to you. She gives the finger to Alaska law and US law. She abuses power, and has apparently evade some income tax. Seems like that would matter to you. She is under an ethics investigation. Now that is REAL and it is IMPORTANT. Obama is NOT under investigation.

but you all seem so bent on a fishing expedition with Obama----if this "dirt" is the best the GOP can do after all these years, doesn't that tell you something?

GOP is all about fear and hate. The Democrats are about hope and a better future. We know the better choice, and that is Obama and hope. You can keep mccain and his hating and his anger and his secrets.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 6, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

tnmama - you are misinformed , swallowing con rhetoric.

what caused the crisis ? it's core ? deregulation. and who was deregulations champion ?

On 11/19/93, McCain took to the Senate floor to support an early financial deregulation bill and decry what he called "the tremendous regulatory burden imposed on financial institutions." The guy who now claims to be the trustbusting Teddy Roosevelt back then lamented "the rapidly increasing regulatory burden imposed on banks is to cause them to devote substantial time, energy and money to compliance rather than meeting the credit needs of the community."

Ten years later, McCain was bragging to the Associated Press that "I have a long voting record in support of deregulation," and to CNN that "I am a deregulator. I believe in deregulation."

And, during this year's presidential campaign taking place in the shadow of financial meltdown, McCain was only months ago insisting on PBS that "we need less government [and] less regulation" and that "I'm always for less regulation."

McCains 2005 effort never got out of the Republican committee...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190

Here's another FACT: When the bill came up again in 2007, McCain wasn't even a sponsor!

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1100

Last FACT: Both bills included these deregulatory gems that probably would have crashed the whole system had either been passed:

Excludes the Federal Home Loan Banks from certain securities reporting requirements.
Abolishes the Federal Housing Finance Board.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Let no one forget that also involved in the savings and loan scandal, and very connected to mccain at the time, was neil bush - convicted criminal brother of the mass murderer and lying sociopath george w bush.

Posted by: jakiamik | October 6, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

McBush advocates economic terrorism. If McBush "regretted" his part in the "controversy" he wouldn't be the poster boy for deregulation. And he wouldn't be channeling Phil Gramm.

Posted by: ccatmoon | October 6, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Sen. Phil Gramm, McCain campaign co-chair, is the root cause of the current (Oct. 2008) market problems.

The financial market deregulation of 1999 was sponsored by Sen. Phil Gramm which set off the “financial weapons of mass destruction” and caused at least $850 billion in damages.

Sen. Phil Gramm is McCain’s co-campaign manager who called Americans “a nation of whiners”.

Gramm’s role was significant in the swift and dramatic recent restructuring of the nation’s investment houses and practices.

A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations (Glass-Steagall Act of 1933), Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS’s new investment banking arm.

Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.

For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS’s American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more than $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 6, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Palin and the McCain campaign have, up to this point, gone to some efforts to avoid the subject of religious affiliations. That's because Palin's spiritual past contains, like Obama's, stark political liabilities. At her old church, the Wasilla Assembly of God, Palin discussed both the Iraq War and the construction of the $40 billion Alaska national gas pipeline as projects touched by God. Her old pastor Ed Kalnins suggested that people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would not be accepted in heaven and argued that terrorists and Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith." A guest pastor at that church personally blessed Palin by asking Jesus to protect her from the perils of witchcraft.

More recently, Palin's attended a Wasilla Bible Church sermon conducted by the founder of Jews for Jesus, David Brickner, who made several remarkable claims about terrorism in Israel.

"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real," he said. "When Isaac was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment -- you can't miss it."

Palin, by all accounts, didn't "get up and leave" the pew.

She also said in a misquote "Women who dont support women will go to hel"".

Posted by: Dano111 | October 6, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

If McCain wants to play the game he's setting himself up for a huge fall.

McCain and Liddy

McCain and Keating

McCain and Oliver North

McCain and underhanded land deals recently

McCain and his hero treatment ( yet others who sold out the COC as he did , treated the same , were less than honorably discharged and threated with charges of treason) but McCain had daddy.

Palin and the AIP ( who's founder was murdered in 93 in a plastic explosive deal gone bad )

Palin and troopergate ( ongoing )

we could be here all day........ suffice to say

McCain and Palin have lots of dung in their closets . LOTS and terrorists are part of that.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Again, JPRS a scandal that he was found to have little to no involvement in. Once again, people try to link Republicans to the economic crisis that was caused by the Democrats. Obama can try to play off his relationships with people such as Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, and Tony Rezko all he wants. He has had close ties with all of them at one point which is plenty proof for me that he is dangerously unfit to be our president.

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see how many questions are asked about Obama's connection to Ayers at the debate.
With the economy in tatters, would think that would be the last thing on undecided voters minds. Supposedly, the debate audience is to be solely uncommitted.
Yeah, right, sure it is.

Posted by: seemstome | October 6, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Is this all that McCain has? Man, what a joke of a campaign. He should just pull out of the rest of the states like he pulled out of Michigan if all he's got on Obama are these silly claims about his links to a terrorist who lived in his town.

Is that really it?

Posted by: hacksaw | October 6, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

What more unpatriotic than Sarah's huband was, until a few months ago, a member of the "Independence for Alaska" political party, and Sarah, as governor, spoke officially at that party's annual convention?

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 6, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Creamsykle: The "hater" here is you, not me. I haven't said anything hateful, whereas you must resort to insults to make your point.

About your point, you're saying that you have "learned from the best" meaning that you are now as bad as Rove and Cheney. Good luck with that.

sallieismydog: Stop the BS. This "paid poster" stuff is weird. I've never even heard of such a thing. Sounds like a good job to have. What do you know about it?

Anyway, your shouting lost your message, if you had one.

The point being, Obama hides his past, so what is he hiding?

The point being, Obama voted FOR the bailout bill, which is betrayal of liberal sensibilities, which is why so many Blue Dog Democrats voted against it.

Obama wasted his vote. So did McCain.

You all need to get your heads examined and pay attention to what is actually going on.

Whether you believe in capitalism or socialism doesn't matter - these are ideals. I see Obama as a liar, and that to me is worse than a Socialist.

So don've vote McCain. I don't care. I'm not a slobbering fool like these other fanatics.

Just look at what's going on.

Obama the hypocrite. He won't go in the mud? Please.

He won't vote with Bush? Please.

He won't be "careless getting in." Please.

We are now stuck with real estate for the next 4-6 years. That's how long this downturn is gonna last. Obama will get nothing done. Neither will McCain.

They both admitted it when they voted YES on the bailout.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Amen Tnmama,

That "obscure" scandal cost tax-payers $120 billion. Money that has not yet been repaid to the U.S. treasury.

In light of the current economic crisis -- something that is a large scale version of the Savings and Loan scandal, you think it might be relevant.

Posted by: JPRS | October 6, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

McCain will regret having choses Palin, as now he will loose the run for presidency with DISHONOR.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 6, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

That's right Dems, forget that Obama is connected to a known terrorist and focus on some obscure scandal McCain was found to be least involved in. I thought Obama was above the smears and focused on the issues? Sorry Osama, oops I mean Obama, but which is worse? Associating with the likes of Ayers and Rezko, or minimal involvement in a financial scandal 20 years ago? I'm taking my chances with McCain!

Posted by: tnmama | October 6, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"While Obama chaired the board of the CAC, more than $600,000 was granted to an organization founded by Ayers and run by Mike Klonsky, a former top communist activist. Klonsky was leader of the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party, which was effectively recognized by China as the all-but-official U.S. Maoist party.”

Ayers is a left wing radical.

Posted by: peterdaol | October 6, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

McCain was lucky not to have gone to jail in the Keating scandal, and not to have lost his job with dishonor.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 6, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

bigbrother1,

You might want to change your user name before accusing others of incoherence based solely on their usernames.

Posted by: APalinFan | October 6, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Palin better be careful playing the Rev. Wright card. She has her own questionable religious ties including witchcraft, and rogue beliefs that will come back to bite her.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 6, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm so tired of listening to lies. All this past year, I've been reading posts by some of you: Invoking race ( "black" ), religion ( falsely: "muslim" ), guilt by association, lies, and false charges of citizenship, corruption, and spewing otherwise dirty politics.

I'm a former supporter of McCain from 2000. The GOP has lost my vote this election cycle and are now at risk of losing it permanently.

Keep up the good work, Republicans. You are turning an entire generation of Americans into Democrats.

--- a thought from an Independent.

Posted by: wolfi101 | October 6, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

gengar843 |

What you forget is that to do nothing, would've made this situation far worse. Obama DID vote for it as DID McClame but here's the difference, McClame's who outlook is AGAINST this bill. The conservative party is ready to dis-own McCain for not upholding his CONSERVATIVE principles. Obama knew that this was a horrible deal but he had to vote in order to stop the IMMEDIATE damage. Your boy however did the right thing also but for the wrong reasons and THAT'S why he is being crucified by his own party.

How soon you forget that it was McClame who went before the reports and said that "if this bailout has pork or ANY giveaways, it would be a slap in our face and he would vote no! Well, once again, flip flopping as usual, he voted for it and now paying the price. See it's not enough to attack Obama, you have to send those voters to McCain, and that's what is NOT happening. I'm uaually pretty passionate when replying but I feel that you have something other than partisan garbage to say. We'll see.

Posted by: gabbamonkey | October 6, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Now, let's address this "poor desperate cons" thing.

Sure, we want to win. But.. we also don't want to lose America.

If Obama wins, we want to see something we can believe in.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

hey ! is McCain ever going to release his Military record in full ? instead of the lonely 19 pages out of over 600.

____________

Luck Of The Admiral's Son Not For "Grunts"

When two U.S. Army enlisted men were captured by the Viet Cong in 1963, they were plunged into an ordeal that would prove to be a relentless trial of body and spirit by torture. Once they were finally freed, however, their trials began all over again, when their statements critical of the U. S. Vietnam policy landed them in a military court facing a capital offense for violating the military Code of Conduct by "aiding the enemy."

But, if your name is John McCain and your father and grandfather were famous admirals, violating the Code of Conduct by "aiding the enemy" translates into fodder for a political career, book deals, and adulation bordering on sainthood.

Even though news reports of McCain for collaborating with the enemy continued from the time he was captured in 1967 through 1970, the Navy never considered prosecution as an option.

Instead, Pentagon pencil pushers chose a political spin that lifted McCain, the former POW turned U.S. Senator, up to a glorified pedestal where he sprouted a halo and wings and became America's "POW-hero" and today a presidential candidate.

No such luck for the two lowly "grunts."

http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The same people who say McCain is in the dirt are doing it themselves.

"McCain started it." So? Does that make you right?

It's amazing how hypocritical liberals are.

BTW, I enjoy the attack, so I'm not a hypocrite.

Liberals whine, "Stop the smear!" and then call McCain and Palin "liars." Saying "liar" is a smear. Hypocrites.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 9:49 AM
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It's simple; we learned from the best and then improved on it. You’re what we call here in Ohio a "Hater" To bad so sad that we Dem’s have figured out how to play by your low road dirty rules and now outperform you. Do yourself a favor, go look at how each state voted the last few elections, then go look at average IQ for each state and compare that to how they voted. How does it feel to be at the bottom of the intellectual food chain? Wait ...wait, I better provide a link incase research is beyond your capabilities.
http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Posted by: Creamsykle | October 6, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

McCain shouldn't go there, he's starting to act like the cranky, old, spoiled brat he is. Too bad Obama couldn't just run the article by Tim Dickinson of Rolling Stone called the Make-Believe MAverick. Reccommended reading for anyone that wants to learn a bit more about this cocky, reckless person. If McCain was smart, he'd try to keep the focus loftier, because he'll come up with the short end of the character stick if folks start comparing the two. Getting shot down must have been tough and all, but from all I've read, he was reckless.

Posted by: humanbeng | October 6, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

People, don't be fooled by Palin's un-Christian slanders on the Ayers story.

Ayers is a Distinguished Professor at the University of Chicago.

Any student who has taken classes with him, and any professor, administrator, or staff at that University would relate to him than Obama.

Now, "Distinguished" is with a Capital "D" meaning he is an emminance.

Ayers issues relate to his being against the Viet Nam War and related issues.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 6, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

GENGAR, actually you are the paid troll to stir all this crap up. You obviously want it to burn all day while REAL issues are avoided....that is the stated strategy of the mccain goons. And they are PROUD of that strategy. AVOID real issues.

We have so many worries in this country and your STUPID QUESTIONS AND DEMANDS OF OBAMA ARE JUST THAT....STUPID.

WHERE ARE MCCAINS AND PALIN'S GRADES? IF YOU THINK THAT IS CRITICAL, LET'S GET THOSE ON THE TABLE....SEE HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS?

PALIN'S GRADES WOULD BE HIGHLY ENTERTAINING BY THE WAY.

YOU JUST WANT EVERY ONE TO PLAY MCCAIN'S EVASIVE GAME SO HE CAN TRY TO PULL HIMSELF OUT OF THE GUTTER. Too bad.

We will be talking about issues. WE have families we care about and want a better future for. WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE MORONIC DRIVEL ---WE WANT ANSWERS FROM BOTH CANDIDATES ABOUT THE ECONOMY, THE WAR, HEALTHCARE AND SECURITY.

So do your assigned pot-stirring for mccain. Obama is winning and that just fries you. Too bad you got the GOP party ticket of hate. WE got HOPE, and we're sticking with that.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 6, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"Say Anything McCain" is at it again. So whats next and who will he be tomorrow? A Conservative? A Democrat? A Populist? A Maverick? Or maybe just aptly, Bozo The Clown?

Haven't we been down this road before with Ayers, Wright and Resco? If there was more to it, Obama would have lost the primary.

6 months ago ayers wasn't an issue for McCain, 3 months ago Ayers wasnt an issue now all of a sudden it's an issue.

Obama's connection with Ayers is well documented. Besides, to imply Obama shares the same values as Ayers did in the late 60's let alone today is preposterous to allege.

Now, the Keating 5,McCains own connection to John Singlaub and Palins Troopergate need far more looking into.

McCain is too frantic, jittery and erratic. Too reckless and political. He make me feel very uneasy.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 6, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES!

It's ridiculous that McCain, realising that he is not the man to stand up to Obama on real issues affecting our nation or the wisdom to lead our Nation, McCain resorts to the swiftboating tactics - nasty slanderous attacks on Obama.

Ayers, a childhood friendship when Obama was not yet 10 years old - While in his adult, public life, McCain was involved in a true scandal with Charles Keating, his pal with whom he spent vacations and with whom wife Cindy and her dad invested. The Keating Five is the biggest financial scandal presaging this year's financial bailout!

Look carefully at McCain's involvement in this Keating 5 scandal, and tell me if you don't realise that our financial fiasco in 2008 is only a sequel to the Keating Five!

Realising that he cannot win in an honest debate on the strengths and weaknesses of the candidates - he resorts to MUDSLINGING

An indepth look at the McCain's would involve much more recent wrongdoing. Reading ... JOHN MCCAIN’S WIFE HIDING WAR PROFITS, UNTAXED OFF-SHORE ACCOUNTS? http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/McCainsHidingWarProfits.htm

I refuse to assume that John McCain knew NOTHING of his wife's interests in the Iraq War!

Posted by: dopera2004 | October 6, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

When McCain had been in the Senate for years (58 yo?)he intervened in the Keating Bank scandal and got busted for it. "The biggest mistake" of my life, he said. When Obama was 8 yo at the height of the Vietnam War, a guy Obama would meet decades later made a big mistake too. Obama should have known better.

Reckless, impulsive and cynical. McCain is too erratic to have his "Finger on the Button".

Bush/McCain. No More Years!!!!!

Posted by: thebobbob | October 6, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"Say Anything McCain" is at it again. So whats next and who will he be tomorrow? A Conservative? A Democrat? A Populist? A Maverick? Or maybe just aptly, Bozo The Clown?

Haven't we been down this road before with Ayers, Wright and Resco? If there was more to it, Obama would have lost the primary.

6 months ago ayers wasn't an issue for McCain, 3 months ago Ayers wasnt an issue now all of a sudden it's an issue.

Obama's connection with Ayers is well documented. Besides, to imply Obama shares the same values as Ayers did in the late 60's let alone today is preposterous to allege.

Now, the Keating 5,McCains own connection to John Singlaub and Palins Troopergate need far more looking into.

McCain is too frantic, jittery and erratic. Too reckless and political. He make me feel very uneasy.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 6, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Ayers stopped terrorist activities long time ago. Nonetheless, Ayers never ceases being a radical.


Posted by: peterdaol | October 6, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

gabbamonkey: I'm afraid you may be right about waiting too long, and McCain not listening. We'll see on both counts.

Other than that, your ranting was insane.

So, "Obama is going to get us out of this mess?"

Listen, I've made this argument before. Your fiancee doesn't change after the wedding.

He voted FOR the bailout, meaning he had the same lack of conviction as McCain. Obama's "bottom-up" economics are NOT addressed in any tangible way in this bill. It also gives power to a fat cat to bail out fat cats. It also does not root out the problem, which is the banks will do it again. etc.

The bill sucks. Obama and McCain wasted their vote.

The bill was NOT the only alternative.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

DemocracyRules,

I'd add, if you want to see what Socialism MIGHT look like -- look at Alaska. It's a state that lives on handouts from oil royalties and money from the Federal Government. Alaska takes more money out of the national treasury than it puts back into it -- the state essentially lives on handouts from California and New York, which put more money into the Federal tax system than they get back.

As far as Bin Laden goes, much like extremist Republicans, I suspect he spends more time pondering social issues than economic theory. The Taliban wasn't communist or socialist. It was a third world agricultural economy. There was no industrial capacity in Afghanistan during the 1990s.

Posted by: JPRS | October 6, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

poor sad desperate cons. kleenex will be made available to you on your way out.

McCain should be careful where he treads - His running mate belonged to a terrorist faction as well as what may be treasonous.


“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government… And I won’t be buried under their damn flag,” - Joe Vogler in 1991, Founder of the Alaska Independence Party

Seems Palin has pals she joined with her 'dude' -

* This year, she welcomed the convention with an official video intro. She did so in 2006 as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmt0rLtgmK0
* In 1996, she attended their convention.
* In 1994 she attended, well before she was required to.
* And for seven years, her husband Todd was a registered member.

The motto for the group is “Alaska First. Alaska Always.” Now listen carefully to this. Vogler, founder of the party which McCain’s choice courted regularly, was murdered in 1993 during “a plastic explosives sale gone bad.”

Radical, extremist, domestic terror group.

McCain’s choice.

John McCain had six months to choose a vice president. That’s more time than any nominee in history. He decided that Sarah Palin was the best America had to offer. Will he use the same thought process to appoint his cabinet and federal judges? Is he ready to lead?

__

not to forget -

Palin’s name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the “Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.,” a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. The group was designed to serve as a political boot camp for Republican women in the state. She served as one of three directors until June 2005, when her name was replaced on state filings.

Palin’s relationship with Alaska’s senior senator may be one of the more complicated aspects of her new position as Sen. John McCain’s running mate; Stevens was indicted in July 2008 on seven counts of corruption.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

wow amazing stuff

Posted by: yonaloriner | October 6, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

sallieismydog:

Either you are in on the fix, or you really have no interest in making sure America is America. Please tell us. Your diatribe is the worst type of sarcastic distraction, not facing reality. You SHOULD be saying, "OK, Obama will release whatever records you want to see."

By the same token, I am waiting to find out about Palin's e-mail, the records on subpoenas if legally available, etc.

But let's not be stupid.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

DemocracyRules,

Once again, you expose your ignorance.

Cuba and the Soviet Union were COMMUNIST.

A Communist country controls the means of production. Taxes in the Soviet Union and even in China are actually pretty low -- 10 percent.

Socialism is what you'll find in Sweden, Norway, and the rest of Europe. Even the U.K., which has a free market economy has a national health care system -- even doctors are employed by the STATE.

We are the only developed democracy that has a 3rd world health care system.

Posted by: JPRS | October 6, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

thecannula = and any other dismayed desperate cons.

did you know the catholic church of Chicago also utilized Ayers for their projects ?, that they were part of the community that benefited ?

I guess they are terrorists by association ?

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

It has begun.

We knew this was coming. As soon as we attack Obama, he knee-jerks with "Keating 5."

Here's what McCain needs to do.

(1) Acknowledge publicly Keating 5 and do a better expose than Obama. It always sounds better coming from the source. Word it correctly, thus: "Yes, John McCain was involved in that scandal. And he has acknowledged that it was very bad judgment on his part. But he has apologized PUBLICLY for that. And he has LEARNED from that. THAT is why John McCain has been a proponent of campaign finance reform for years. That's why John McCain has taken no special-interest money in this campaign. But Barack Obama HAS taken special interest money."

(2) Talk about Obama's LACK of transparency concerning his (a) college years. Where are his college transcripts? Where is his senior thesis paper? Where is his history? What is he hiding? (b) medical history. He gave a one-page document. Where is the transparency concerning his smoking habit? How about his heavy drinking in college? How about his cocaine use?

Posted by: gengar843
-----------------------------------------
2 things regarding your advise.
1. YOU WAITED TOO LONG CLOWN!
2. McClame is too stupid to listen.

So now that he is faced with utter defeat, he now is flip flopping once again to go on the attack. See this is where your candidate fail to realize the simple truth, THE AMERICAN people could care less about what YOU'RE talkin about. They want to hear how OBama is going to get us out of this mess. See your boy's message isn't being heard in the first place and with 4 weeks to go, no on is trying to hear him but you guys! lololo Rest of america is already going to vote for him because to vote for mcClame is like voting for a little crying biitch who didn't get his way so he's acting like a little fuukin biitch. Americans hate biitch azz presidents so McClame is finished for crying to his mommy about the mean black man! lolololololol

Posted by: gabbamonkey | October 6, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

This latest McCain gambit, like its predecessors, is going to backfire. The tried and true Republican playbook isn't working any more, and the results come election day are going to be most gratifying.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 6, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

It's not whether Obama was 8 when Ayers was bombing, and committing armed robbery against a Brinks truck, and killing those cops...

it's whether Obama agrees philosophically with the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, the PLO, black liberation theology, and other forces.

Now.. if he believes it, let him state it. THEN, the people can decide. If he doesn't believe it, let him state unequivocally that he won't try to legislate

(a) reparations for blacks
(b) helping the Palestinians take over Israel
(c) socialist tendencies

We just want to be reassured. Obama does not care to do this. He plays semantics and "fact games" like "I was 8 when Ayers bombed."

I don't care if he was 8 then. I want to know if he thinks Ayers had a "point."

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

HEY, DOES PALIN CHANGE HER UNDERWEAR?

DOES MCCAIN FLOSS HIS TEETH?

DOES MCCAIN EVER GO TO WALMART?

IS PALIN USING BOTOX?

WHERE ARE PALIN'S COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS?

DOES MCCAIN DO HIS OWN LAUNDRY?

DID PALIN SHOOT BULLWINKLE?

THESE ARE ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.


FORGET THE ECONOMY, WAR, HEALTHCARE---LET'S GET SOME REAL INFO!!!!!!!

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 6, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Some of you who questioned the comparison of Obama to socialist, I think should go back to history books and study this topic. Redistribution of wealth, universal healthcare, entitlement, etc. The ideas he is proposing have been done before in the Soviet Union, Cuba, etc. It does not work. But I guess America will find this out the hard away.

Osama Bin Laden has started this mess by taking down the twins, Barack Hussein Obama will finish the job by leading us to the bright future of Communism.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Where are Obama's college records?

Why did the Woods Foundation block release of their records?

What is Obama's relationship with Kalidi?

What is Obama's relationship with Farrakhan? Farrakhan, Obama, and Ayers apparently live in the same Chicago neighborhood.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I hope you can take Obama's college grades tothe grocery store and buy something. I can't.

I hope you can take Obama's senior thesis to the health insurance claims office and get your coverage denial reversed.

LISTEN TO YOURSELVES, PEOPLE. SITTING HERE ALL DAY TALKING ABOUT TRIVIA.

ECONOMY, JOBS, WAR, HEALTHCARE. THESE ARE REAL ISSUES.

MAYBE---LIKE MCCAIN--- ALL GOP CONSERVATIVES ARE TOO RICH TO CARE ABOUT THESE ISSUES. SO SPEND YORU DAY SPINNING OVER RUMOR AND SLANDER.

THE REST OF US HAVE TO WORK AND EARN TO PAY OUR MORTGAGES AND TAKE CARE OF OUR FAMILIES. MCCAIN HAS NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS LIKE.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 6, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Re:
WTF?!?! Ayers was out committing "terrorism" on his own when Obama was 8 years old living in Indonesia or Hawaii. What in the hell has Ayers got to do with Obama?
Posted by: AJ2008

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2169

Posted by: peterdaol | October 6, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The same people who say McCain is in the dirt are doing it themselves.

"McCain started it." So? Does that make you right?

It's amazing how hypocritical liberals are.

BTW, I enjoy the attack, so I'm not a hypocrite.

Liberals whine, "Stop the smear!" and then call McCain and Palin "liars." Saying "liar" is a smear. Hypocrites.

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DwightHCollins | October 6, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

And let us not forget G Gordon Liddy, who supports and has donated thousands to McCain.

During the Waco disaster Liddy openly advocated killing ATF agents with "head shots".

McCain and the RNC are truly despicable.
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Gordon Liddy is an ex-FBI agent who went to jail as a participant in the Watergate scandal which had Nixon impeached. Gordon Liddy was seen recently advocating in college campuses that students should carry concealed weapons and teaching them that when they pull the weapon out is to shoot, and that when they shoot they shoot to kill. It's true, I saw it. It's vile.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 6, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

From Today's Pittsburgh Tribune-Review


"Obama dismissed inquiries about his relationship with Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground, by saying that he was just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood."

In fact, Obama served from 1995 to 1999 as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), the brainchild of Ayers, an organization that funneled some $100 million into the hands of community organizers and activists, including ACORN, in order to radicalize Chicago's public schools.

Between 1969 and 1974, the Weather Underground claimed responsibility for some 20 bombings in the United States -- at police stations, banks, jails, courthouses, the Capitol and the Pentagon. Ayers became a fugitive in 1970, reports Andy McCarthy at the National Review, after three of his cohorts were "accidentally killed when the explosive they were building to Ayers' specifications -- Ayers was a bomb designer -- went off during construction."

The explosive, a nail bomb, "had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey," reports McCarthy. "Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, 'tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too.'"

Ayers, describing the Weather Underground as "an American Red Army," motivated by "hope," succinctly summed up the organization's mission: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments."

"I don't regret setting bombs," Ayers told The New York Times in September 2001. "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers, in charge of shaping CAC's education philosophy, describes himself as "a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist." Rather than focusing on anything as mundane as math or reading, the job of teachers, said Ayers, is to "teach against oppression."

Ayers "downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism," writes Stanley Kurtz, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

"Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression," reports Kurtz. "He believes teacher education programs should serve as 'sites of resistance' to an oppressive system."

The question: Why do Obama's deeds contradict his words? Is anyone in the mainstream media curious?"

Ralph R. Reiland is an associate professor of economics at Robert Morris University

Posted by: thecannula | October 6, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Sen. McCain Wants To Be President, By Ted Sampley
Charles Keating III and McCain, then a member of the U.S. House, celebrate their August birthdays at the Keating's beachside estate at Cat Cay in the Bahamas." The Phoenix Gazette - September 12, 1993

Matt Welch http://www.mattwelch.com/archives/2007/12/23-week/

"Sen. John McCain had more than a constituent relationship with Charles H. Keating, Jr. prior to 1987 . . . the McCains - sometimes with their daughter and baby sitter - made at least nine trips at Keating's expense from August 1984 to August 1986 aboard either Keating's American Continental Corporation's jet or chartered planes and helicopters owned by Resorts International. Three of the trips were for vacations at Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas." The Arizona Republic - October 8, 1989

"McCain, in a radio talk-show appearance last week condemned disclosures of his family's ties to Keating as "irresponsible journalism." The Arizona Republic - October 17, 1989

" . . . both in telephone conversations with reporters and on a live radio talk show, the Republican senator was far from calm. He was agitated. Angry. And the way he dealt with unpleasant questions was to bully the questioners . . . 'You're a liar,' McCain snapped Sept. 29 when an Arizona Republic reporter asked him about business ties between his wife, Cindy McCain, and Keating . . . 'That's the spouse's involvement, you idiot,' McCain sneered later in the same conversation. 'You do understand English, don't you?' ". . . Not content with just bullying reporters, McCain tried belittling them: 'It's up to you to find that out, kids.' . . . McCain wasn't talking to liars. He wasn't talking to juveniles. The senator was talking to two reporters." The Arizona Republic - October 17, 1989

"Employees at Hensley & Co., a $100 million Anheuser-Busch distribution firm, also say that during McCain's first campaign for Congress, some workers were pressured into going door-to-door in neighborhoods to hand out McCain election pamphlets . . . Hensley employees say they must take the checks to work, where they are collected by supervisors. I asked one person if employees were assured that all contributions were voluntary . . . 'no way,' I was told. 'And my (spouse) and I aren't even registered (to vote). That's what makes us so mad." The Arizona Republic - November 1, 1989

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

It has begun.

We knew this was coming. As soon as we attack Obama, he knee-jerks with "Keating 5."

Here's what McCain needs to do.

(1) Acknowledge publicly Keating 5 and do a better expose than Obama. It always sounds better coming from the source. Word it correctly, thus: "Yes, John McCain was involved in that scandal. And he has acknowledged that it was very bad judgment on his part. But he has apologized PUBLICLY for that. And he has LEARNED from that. THAT is why John McCain has been a proponent of campaign finance reform for years. That's why John McCain has taken no special-interest money in this campaign. But Barack Obama HAS taken special interest money."

(2) Talk about Obama's LACK of transparency concerning his (a) college years. Where are his college transcripts? Where is his senior thesis paper? Where is his history? What is he hiding? (b) medical history. He gave a one-page document. Where is the transparency concerning his smoking habit? How about his heavy drinking in college? How about his cocaine use?

Posted by: gengar843 | October 6, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Obama’s missing the point of character campaigning. He’s a first term Senator who’s major achievement is getting big poll numbers. One ethics law and a white paper on loose nukes is not enough to go on. He’s been campaigning for more than half of his term in the Senate, saying “trust me”. Well, excuse me but the people of Missouri aren’t the only ones who deserve a closer examination of WHO you are Senator Obama. After one, we’ll decide IF we trust you to run our great country in a time of real crisis. If conditions have changed and become more serious, so should our examination of our choices.

Obama’s circulating Keating 5 videos this morning- What a Hypocritical move! So THAT means he ALSO would (in his own words) “…rather try to tear (a) campaign down than lift this country up. That’s what you do when you’re out of touch, out of ideas and running out of time.” PATHETIC. Get down from the mount Obama: you can’t preach against what you’re doing yourself!

Posted by: thecannula | October 6, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

The difference between Ayers and Keating is McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing in Keating, whereas Obama has yet to clear his name of these associations. He can backpeddle and disassociate himself from Ayers as he did with Rev. Wright, but that does not rid him of his long record of association. You see in this country when a man is accused of a crime and found after investigation to be innocent of that crime, his name is cleared. For the Wash Post to give time to a re-airing of an allegation that was later proven to be false is irresponsible. You should instead attack McCain on the issues. For instance you can explain to your readership why socialism and Obama are good for America, even if Obama won't pay for the socialism he peddles.

Posted by: Wiggan
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Ok dumbnuttz, Obama was NEVER UNDER INVESTIGATION! In your moronic world, it's better to be investigated and found innocent than not to have been investigated at all, no ties to him, no friendship! This is why your party and McClame nuttz is losing. You guys are wrong and his decision to go this route, is going to backfire in his face. What a fuukin losing campaign with such losers! I guess that makes you a lover of losers! Truly sad post from a sad individual. Sorry that you're boy is doing the same thing he did in Vietnam, CRASH AND BURN!
p.o.w my azz! All he did was get shot down and that makes him a hero? I think not! All that makes him is a lousy pilot, you know sort of like the lousy campaign he's running. SAME OL SAME OL!!

Posted by: gabbamonkey | October 6, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

If Ayers is a terrorist, why isn't he behind bars?


Posted by: chrisduckworth | October 6, 2008 9:27 AM

Ayers co founded the WU and participated in the bombings. Ayers was, not is, a terrorist. Charges were dropped against him because the FBI used improper surveillance methods at the time.

Posted by: peterdaol | October 6, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

To all of the narrowminded and hatefilled conservatives who are cheering mccain and palin on with this slander everyday :

is all of this MORE important to talk about all day than how the economy will recover?

is all of this MORE critical to your family than the issue of health coverage?

are Obama’s neighbors MORE important than ending the war in Iraq or securing our nation???

Mccain is desparate for you to take your eye off the ball and forget the pressing issues.

While all of this Hollywood-type gossip and slander and rumor might be mildly entertaining....I AM MUCH MORE INTERESTED IN MCCAIN AND OBAMA TALKING ABOUT ISSUES THAT AFFECT MY CHILDREN AND THIER FUTURE AND THEIR SAFETY.

WHAT ABOUT YOU? ISN’T YOUR FAMILY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS DRIVEL?????

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 6, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

McCain should be careful where he treads -

“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government… And I won’t be buried under their damn flag,” - Joe Vogler in 1991, Founder of the Alaska Independence Party

Seems Palin has pals she joined with her 'dude' -

* This year, she welcomed the convention with an official video intro. She did so in 2006 as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmt0rLtgmK0
* In 1996, she attended their convention.
* In 1994 she attended, well before she was required to.
* And for seven years, her husband Todd was a registered member.

The motto for the group is “Alaska First. Alaska Always.” Now listen carefully to this. Vogler, founder of the party which McCain’s choice courted regularly, was murdered in 1993 during “a plastic explosives sale gone bad.”

Radical, extremist, domestic terror group.

McCain’s choice.

John McCain had six months to choose a vice president. That’s more time than any nominee in history. He decided that Sarah Palin was the best America had to offer. Will he use the same thought process to appoint his cabinet and federal judges? Is he ready to lead?

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not to forget -

Palin’s name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the “Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.,” a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. The group was designed to serve as a political boot camp for Republican women in the state. She served as one of three directors until June 2005, when her name was replaced on state filings.

Palin’s relationship with Alaska’s senior senator may be one of the more complicated aspects of her new position as Sen. John McCain’s running mate; Stevens was indicted in July 2008 on seven counts of corruption.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Somehow, I'm not surprised that someone who calls themselves "APalinFan" in incapable of coherent thought. Seems to be a requirement.

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There was a working relationship between Obama and Ayers. Whether the two were personal friends or whether Ayer's bombings happened when Obama was a toddler is not relevant.

Posted by: APalinFan

Posted by: bigbrother1 | October 6, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

WillyHSmith,

Actually it's not even the Reagan tax code, which had a top marginal taxation rate of 50 percent from 1980 to 1986.

It's essentially restoring the Clinton tax code that was in place during the longest economic expansion in U.S. history.

The wingnut ideologues though can't do math and they don't know history.

Posted by: JPRS | October 6, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

WTF?!?! Ayers was out committing "terrorism" on his own when Obama was 8 years old living in Indonesia or Hawaii. What in the hell has Ayers got to do with Obama? The politics of personal destruction is all that the McCain campaign has left. Getting the ignorant and dumb Sarah Palin to attack Obama personally is ruining her own chances of running for President in 2012 or 2016.

The Keating 5 Scandal and the S&L Crisis of the 1980s and early 1990s has a direct correlation to the financial market crisis of 2008. The glue that binds these two events is the presence of John McCain and his beliefs and policies regarding deregulation and association with powerful lobbyists!

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 6, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

DemocracyRules,

Whoever wrote that quote is a grade A sh-t head.

Have you ever been to Newport Rhode Island and seen the houses built during the tail end of the last Guilded Age?

Do you understand the principle behind monopolies?

The goal of a monopoly -- Capitalism in its purest form -- is fixing the rules so that no one can even begin to have a shot at getting the mansion on the hill.

The IQ of the typical Republican voter must be in the 80 range (borderline retarded).

The stupids would rather live on their knees swallowing empty promise after empty promise -- rather than waking up and demanding a little bit more at the negotiating table. This was a principle that the signers of the Declaration of Independence understood well.

Posted by: JPRS | October 6, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Obama is hiding his records from his college years. We know he did drugs, but that is pretty much the extent of it. What else is there. Who sponsored him into Harvard? Watch the special on fox "Radicalization of America". It is an eye-opener, at least for some of us.

Go and see "An American Carrol". It is very funny.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Obama is a socialist, who is proposing to raise taxes and redistribute wealth."

Actually, he's proposing returning the tax code to about where it was, vis-a-vis the Richie Riches, under Ronald Reagan. But of course numbnuts don't read the actual proposals.

Posted by: WillyHSmith | October 6, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

“Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have so much.'”

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

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No, the capitalist says "I want it all for myself"

Any more stupid cliches that you want to share with us?

Posted by: maggots | October 6, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm trying to understand the post-modern logic of the Obama camp in claiming that it's OK to have past ties to a known terrorist and praise a book by him, as long as you condemn his bombings and are now focused on healthcare. And, anyone calling attention to your past associations is desperate or a racist. As the New York Times story on Ayers pointed out, if McCain had ties to someone who bombed abortion clinics years ago, no one would say that's ancient history.

Posted by: APalinFan | October 6, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse


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You are not trying to understand anything - you are simply repeating smears.

Posted by: maggots | October 6, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain campaign has to expose Obama for what he is. Inexperienced candidate who has very questionable associations with so many people who are anti-white, anti-jewish and anti-American. This speaks to his character or something else. His own VP did not think Obama can be a leader just few month ago. Obama is a socialist, who is proposing to raise taxes and redistribute wealth. If Obama gets elected (and I do think he will) we should rename our country Socialist States of America. I wish somebody can explain this quote to Obama.

“Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have so much.'”

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

If Dirty John McCain really had regret for his actions, he would have pushed back against the kind of de-regulation practices that made the Savings & Loan scandal possible.

The fact is he didn't. Instead he's coddled a new generation of Charles Keatings by walking in lock step with people like Phil Gramm and George W. Bush.

Maybe this time McCain's actions will catch up with him.

Posted by: JPRS | October 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

If Ayers is a terrorist, why isn't he behind bars? Why is the Bush Administration so lax on locking up this unrepentant domestic terrorist. The Bush Administration is soft on domestic terrorism!

And if Ayers is a terrorist, are the University of Illinois at Chicago and the Annenberg Foundation terrorist organizations?

Posted by: chrisduckworth | October 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Great, the economy is going down the tubes, we're still fighting two wars, and the topic of the day is some whacko no one outside of Chicago has heard of since 1968. The Weather Underground -- give me a break -- what does that have to do with anything? Elvis is more relevant to this election than some antique from the 1960s.

Posted by: Bob22003 | October 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

There was a working relationship between Obama and Ayers. Whether the two were personal friends or whether Ayer's bombings happened when Obama was a toddler is not relevant.

Posted by: APalinFan | October 6, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Gee hunter while you are at is why don't you blame obama for the hurricanes and snow storms and the civil war and 911! lol lol

palin is talking to folks in florida about drilling off their shores and they are so braindead they are cheering. Wait until the equipment shows up.

Nothing but ugly old white women - yuck.

Posted by: Julescator | October 6, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

There was no relationship between Obama and Ayers. Repeating lies doesn't make them truths.

(And they don't solve the real problems we have in this country either.)

Posted by: owl1 | October 6, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Witness the death throes of the McCain/Palin campaign ... aint' it sweet !
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Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 6, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Ayers ad is just a feeler. McCain will do more to counter economic bad news in October. Obama = Ayers and McCain = Bush are both nonsense. But, if you say it long enough, it sticks ( in your head first and then in others' ). McCain has problem with the incumbent president. Obama has problem with thin resume hence people have to rely on his associations to guess who he is.

Posted by: FloridaCounts | October 6, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

... and then and then, Palin is from ALASKA, and Alaska, as she herself admits, is in close proximity to RUSSIA, which OMG used to be the USSR and S stands for socialist; and she was also on TV, and TV is a place where there is sex and violence and even news shows about Muslim countries ... and McCain, why he once flew and crashed AIRPLANES, just like, Oh my God, just like the 9/11 attackers ...

Posted by: dane1 | October 6, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

ACCEPTING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM ASSOCIATES OF KNOWN TERRORISTS?

The Ayers-Weber-McCain connection. Truth? Guilt by Association? We report. YOU Decide!

Arnold R. "Arnie" Weber is a Chicago Annenberg Board Member and Chicago "insider". He was an Assistant Secretary of Labor and Associate Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Richard Nixon. Arnie Weber, has held other Washington "insider" jobs, was former president of the Commercial Club of Chicago’s Civic Committee, and is a longtime REPUBLICAN donor. Arnie Weber was a member of the infamous **Chicago Annnenberg Challenge** Board, which was founded by known "TERRORIST" Bill Ayers!

Sarah "Barracuda" Palin was pointing out the "guilt by association" connection with Senator Barack Obama, a member of the same board. This, however, is a two way street and Ms. Palin may not understand this. The simple fact is, BY PALIN'S OWN DEFINITION, John McCain has accepted "tainted" campaign money from Arnie Weber, an associate of Bill Ayers.

Arnie Weber has given the legal limit of $1,500 to the McCain campaign in 2008. It's true! In 2008, Arnie Weber made two separate donations of $1,000 and $500 to McCain’s presidential campaign run by ex-lobbyist RICK DAVIS.

I strongly urge Senator McCain to renounce this man and his "terrorist associates", and to reject these donations. John McCain should investigate how such a thing could possibly happen inside his own campaign before seeking to cast stones at Senator Obama. RICK DAVIS needs to explain to the American voters his reasons for accepting this money. Are they really that desperate?

THE "LIBERAL MEDIA" SHOULD ASK JOHN MCCAIN WHY HE ACCEPTED TAINTED CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THIS "TERRORIST" ASSOCIATE. Arnie Weber doesn't deny that he associated for years with a "known terrorist". This is probably because he hasn't been asked.

It turns out that these types of "facts" are simply baseless smear attacks with no merit. They are meant to distract the less informed voters near the end of a campaign. You don't hear about them very often because most people want to talk about REAL issues affecting REAL lives, not play "6 degrees of Kevin Bacon".

For example, it turns out that you can trace Obama's family tree to both George W. Bush (10th cousins once removed) and Dick Cheney (eighth cousins). This is yet another useless "fact" for Trivial Pursuit, but not worthy of time in this national election. Guilt by association is an attack on voters and on the democratic process. Voters need to learn about the issues.

Some associations, however, do need scrutiny. RICK DAVIS is worth talking about. Why? If a person is running the campaign and at the same time is profiting financially as a lobbyist, the American voter has a right to know the details. The information on RICK DAVIS is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Davis_%28politics%29

HERE IS A MAN THAT MADE MILLIONS AS A WASHINGTON LOBBYIST. This guy is a caricature of the very thing that John McCain claims over and over again that he "hates". EARMARKS ANYONE? Rick Davis PRACTICALLY INVENTED EARMARKS. He launched his lobbying career straight from a Reagan White House job! McCain calls that "revolving door" politics. Now RICK DAVIS is CEO for the McCain presidential campaign.

How can we believe John McCain is against wasteful government spending after learning about his campaign manager?

Posted by: wunderwood | October 6, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm trying to understand the post-modern logic of the Obama camp in claiming that it's OK to have past ties to a known terrorist and praise a book by him, as long as you condemn his bombings and are now focused on healthcare. And, anyone calling attention to your past associations is desperate or a racist. As the New York Times story on Ayers pointed out, if McCain had ties to someone who bombed abortion clinics years ago, no one would say that's ancient history.

Posted by: APalinFan | October 6, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Let's see: McCain is a member of the US SEnate, and Oh my GOd! the Senate also had members like ... oh my God! Ted Kennedy is in the Senate along with all those other socialists like ... well, all those DEMOCRATS! Wow, so McCain is associated with Communists directly, not to mention all those left-wingers who ran for Congress but didn't win. And what about all those North Vietnamese communists he palled around with with while a POW????

Posted by: dane1 | October 6, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

When Palin made her vile and disgusting accusation that Biden was is someway surrendering the United States she prostituted her good name, the integrity of the McCain campaign, the patriotism of the Republican party and the future of the United States. She disgraced herself and all that might associate with her.She is stabbing us in the back, the smile notwithstanding.

Posted by: braamer | October 6, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

This is absurd. It was ACORN and Obama that started the mortgage crisis (now global banking crisis) by pressuring Congress, Fannie, Freddie and the banks to meet a quota of sub-prime mortgages or pay big penalties. Obama is responsible for:

"100 percent financing . . ."
"No down payment . . ."
"Interest only loans . . ."
"No income . . .
"No job . . ."
"No assets . . ."
"No credit scores . . ."
"Low credit scores . . ."
"No SSN required . . ."
"ITIN identification accepted . . ."

Posted by: hunter340 | October 6, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Who has produced and released the 13 minute documentary? The Dems, showing deliberate action and lead time, not some "reaction" to a campaign speech the day before.

Did Obama work with Ayers at Acorn and the Woods Fund? Did he sue CitiBank for not making no-doc loans while with Acorn? Does he still live in a house financed by a slum lord? Where is his real birth certificate and what is his legal name?

Posted by: hocndoc | October 6, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Forget about Ayers...and forget about Keating. It is Phil Gramm that we need to remember. He has been the strongest proponent of deregulating the financial sector, working with his buddy McCane to thwart oversight and allow for the bond swaps that led to the current $700,000,000 crisis that will fall on the backs of middle class taxpayers. Of course, Gramm has been McCane's economic advisor, and like Mr. Gramm, McCane would like to transfer more middle class wealth to people like himself.

Posted by: wpl2 | October 6, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Rogers said. "By contrast, Barack Obama has been fundamentally dishonest about his friendship and work with the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers."


LIAR.

Posted by: edlharris | October 6, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

McCain is so desperate he is using his wind-up Barbie doll running mate to smear Obama with lies that were debunked in the very article she cites.
How pathetic! He'd better watch himself: a little checking of the original Keating 5 records show that far from being "exonerated" as the RNC claims, McCain was sanctioned by his own party for "using poor judgment." He had poor judgment then; he has poor judgment now. And if he continues to play with fire, he's going to get burned.
Go, Obama!

Posted by: tchr527 | October 6, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

...So, 40 year old history is now news....The Vietnam War as a travesty in this nation back then, so when the RNC/GOP lie machine are unable to talk about the real problems that need to be discussed, economy, health care, war, unemployment, aids, they come up with this crapola....

peeeuuu Palin should keep her idiotic and repetitive mouth shut...with her Caribou Barbie pull string in her back....

What about news from just 2 weeks ago....

Katie: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part as your foreign policy experience, what do you mean by that?

Sarah: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side... the land... uhh boundary... that we have with uhhh Canada. It it it's fff-funny that a comment like that was uh kind of made to...... uhh... character.......uhh......I don't know.....you know.......reporters...

Katie: Mocked?

Sarah: Yeah, mocked. I guess that's the word. Yeah. umm....

Katie: Well, explain to why that enhances your foreign policy credentials?

Sarah: Well, it certainly does. Because our......our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They are in the state that I am the executive of.

Katie: Have you ever been in an negotiations for example with the Russians

Sarah: We have trade missions back and forth we... we... It's very important when you even consider nation security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and and uh comes into the a a a air space of the United States of America wh wh where do they go? It's Alaska, it's just right over the border. It it is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that.... an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there they are right next to umm our state.

....What about the Keating five in 1988 20-year-old story when McCaint was 52...

The story may be old, but it's recently become surprisingly relevant to current events -- we are, after all, talking about a scandal involving major bank failures, financial fraud and greed, and political ineptitude.

There is history repeating itself 20 years later....

McCaint is running with a message about his ability to "reform" both DC and Wall Street record.

I agree with Jack Cafferty at CNN and his take on that CBS Interview...

Watch that report @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

McCaint is no hero...but peeeuuu Palin is a hero sandwich...full of old baloney

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 6, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

No Obama bin Biden!

Posted by: seawolfR | October 6, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Palin and McCain just refuse to let Obama forge ahead with intelligent solutions to get our country back on track.Their campaign is constantly being interrupted with silly and misleading half truths.Get out of the way John and Sarah and let the big boys do their work! Obama/Biden 2008

Posted by: puredemo | October 6, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Sarah pals around with the Alaska Independent Party why aren't we hearing about this. DO YOUR JOB.

Posted by: Loveamerica4real | October 6, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"McCain has long expressed regret for his involvement in the controversy"

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McCain is well-practiced at expressing regret. He uses it as a "get out jail -- free!" card -- to excuse previous bad behavior (but only after he has been caught).

He expresses regret over his actions as a POW.

He expresses regret over his actions towards his abandoned first wife.

He expresses regret over his actions regarding his (and his wife's and mobster father-in-law's) dealings with Keating.

He expresses regret any time he finds himself in trouble.

But has he ever expressed regret for co-sponsoring, in the House, a resolution to delay new regulations designed to curb risky investments by thrifts such as Keating's Lincoln Savings & Loan?

He certainly did not express regret when reporters from the Arizona Republic confronted him about his and his wife's and his mobster father-in-law's shady dealings with Keating. The regret -- like all of McCain's regret -- came later (when he found himself in a bad light).

"On Oct. 8, 1989, The Arizona Republic revealed that McCain's wife and her father had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators.

"The paper also reported that the McCains, sometimes accompanied by their daughter and baby-sitter, had made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard the American Continental jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay.

"McCain also did not pay Keating for some of the trips until years after they were taken, after he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln. Total cost: $13,433.

"When the story broke, McCain did nothing to help himself.

"You're a liar," McCain said when a Republic reporter asked him about the business relationship between his wife and Keating.

"That's the spouse's involvement, you idiot," McCain said later in the same conversation. "You do understand English, don't you?"

"He also belittled reporters when they asked about his wife's ties to Keating.

"It's up to you to find that out, kids."

"The paper ran the story.

"In his 2002 book, McCain confesses to "ridiculously immature behavior" during that particular interview and adds that The Republic reporters' "persistence in questioning me about the matter provoked me to rage."

"I don't know how (The Republic journalists) would have reported the story had I been more civil and understanding or just more of a professional during the interview," McCain wrote.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/mccain/articles/2007/03/01/20070301mccainbio-chapter7.html

REGRETS AND EXCUSES ARE NOT PRESIDENTIAL QUALITIES.

Posted by: pali2500 | October 6, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kentaylor1 | October 6, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

"Obama Leading McCain in New Ohio, Pennsylvania, Minnesota Polls"
Bloomberg News Headline

Obama wins with 1 swing state. McCain has to take all 11 swing states to win. According to this headline, 5 weeks from Wednesday, the Republican nightmare will be over....Except, of course, for the monumental cleanup. My advice to the GOP is this...Don't "re-brand" your party, reform it! Stop being enablers for corrupt plutocrats and religious extremists. Maybe then we will have a viable, two-party system. If you don't truly reform, be prepared for footnote status.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 6, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Obama was 8 years old when Ayers committed his crimes. Ayers has since paid his debt to society.

McCain was an adult when he aided and abetted Keating. Keating has yet to repay the $3 billion he stole from the American taxpayers. McCain is unrepentant on deregulating his campaign contributors.

Posted by: Garak | October 6, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Please search on Google, Rolling Stones' current article showing what a vile little man John McNasty has been for his entire life.
Yes, sources are given. If any of us true Americans look into what he has done with his life, we do not even need to pay attention to his running mate.
John McNasty is against all Americans not inside his circle of nasty friends and supporters.
Take a look neocons! Rolling Stone Magazine is the place you need to go since this infor is not available in many media sites.

Posted by: musselmanm321 | October 6, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

hazwalnut - STOP WHINNING - YOU SOUND LIKE A REPUBLICAN.

John McCain started this nasty campaigning now he blames the media - give me a break!

I am so sick of mcCain's lying and whinning just get out of the way of progress. The Keating Scandal right now - will bury him. People will be getting their financial statements in a few days. When they take a look at that and the fact they may be losing their jobs - McCain is going to lose in a landslide. At this point they can show a picture of Obama in the nude with another man and they still lose.

The Republicans still don't get it. They think people are stupid. Since they lie like Bush there are many people who dont' believe that they say any more. They have tried to lie their way into the white house and it's not working!

Posted by: Julescator | October 6, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

4.1 MILLION new voters added in battleground states, the vast majority of which have registered as Democrats. They are energized and they are determined to take back our country from the right wing fanatics that have destroyed this country. Go ahead and bury your heads in the sand, holding on to the false hope that all the polls are wrong. That will make the devastating losses the gop are going to suffer on November 4th all the more enjoyable to watch. WE WILL NOT BE STOPPED! GOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!
(white guy in maryland)

Posted by: pgiaquinto | October 6, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Mc Cain sure is desperate! Of course, this is the guy who was censored by the ethics committee for trying to intimidate regulators during the Keating 5 scandal. Mc Cain sure made a lot of $$$ off of that guy!

Now Mc Cain has several dozen lobbyists on his campaign.

And his crazy lying VP Sarah Palin has a preacher who rants against ...witchcraft!

Is there any wonder that the polls show Obama gaining?

Posted by: losthorizon10 | October 6, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Dang...All this ant-Obama dirt is so old. Limbaugh has been spouting most of this for over a year. I just don't see this being effective for more that a week or two. If the Rovians had any better dirt, it would be out there by now.

Too little, too late. You betcha!

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 6, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

"Brian Rogers, a McCain spokesman, said of the Keating attack that 'Barack Obama is frantically attacking.'"

McCain, plummeting in the polls, is frantically having Palin attack for him. Obama is launching surgical strikes. And quite effectively, too, might I add.

Posted by: nicekid | October 6, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Washington, McCain has a major problem.
The problem is he is tied to two of the largest failures of our financial health during the 20th and 21st centuries. The Charles Keating bailour of 126 Billion dollars. The Phil Gramm meltdown by deregulation bills. Our country also should remember McCain infidelity to many of the women. Also I do not remember the man that broadcasted for the Hanoi radio during McCains imprisonment for war crimes against the citizens of Viet Nam, the tactics which he denounced after coming home. This man was and most likely is still a close friend of McCain. McCain also attacks physically and verbally many of those that disagree with him. Also his affair with Vickie Iseman recently. She has disapeared. Senator McCain has no standing as an honest man and has shown this for his entire life.
Thank you Ms Joe withdraw from the United States of America and abuse of power.
All of these points which we will now use against the two of you are a great assist to Senator Obama becoming the next President of the United States. We do also know that Todd (Joe six pack of beer) would still like to remove Alaska from our country. This is treason! The whole lot of the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates of the Republican party will be answering calls from various investigations into their many crimes or accused crimes along with our current Republican administration.

How is your retirement doing or you 401k? Is your job more safe due to our Econmic meltdown due to the great dramatic actions of John McCain? Is our country more safe due to the many violations of international and domestic laws by the current Bush administration?

Posted by: musselmanm321 | October 6, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Per the Committee report on the Keating 5.
"Based on the evidence available to it, the Committee has given consideration to Senator McCain's actions on behalf of Lincoln. The Committee concludes that, given the personal benefits and campaign contributions he had received from Mr. Keating, Senator McCain exercised poor judgment in intervening with the regulators without first inquiring as to the Bank Board's position in the case in a more routine manner. The Committee concludes that Senator McCain's actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him. The Committee finds that Senator McCain took no further action after the April 9, 1987 meeting when he learned of a criminal referral."

In other words the committee didn't have any laws to charge him with at the time. He did however accept trips for years from Keating, Keating was an old family friend of his wife Cindy, they vacationed at his house in the Bahamas, used his plane recveived campaign contributions from Keating, who also helped banktoll his earliest campaigns.

McCain was required to pay back much money that Keating contributed.

But this wasn't the only tiome that McCain has tried to influence decision making on behalf of a contributor. Can anyone say Paxson?

Posted by: 1FLWB2 | October 6, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Poor Sarah must have been really hurt by the innuendo in the Couric interview whereby she was portrayed as a 'dumb bimbo' who did not read, because, nowadays, she doesn't open her big mouth, unless it is to tell us about an 'article' she read in, yes, a newspaper.

Poor thing.

Posted by: thisworld | October 6, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

This is posted at the Moderate Voice at
http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/18787/phil-gramm-mccains-terrorist-in-pinstripes/

Phil Gramm: McCain’s Terrorist In Pinstripes
April 5th, 2008
By SHAUN MULLEN, TMV Columnist

There is a ticking time bomb in the John McCain campaign and the sooner that Barack Obama can turn his full attention to exploiting it the bigger and consequential the explosion should be for this phony maverick.
The presumptive Republican nominee supposedly swore off lobbyists after the Keating Five scandal nearly destroyed his political career, but they continue to have him by the short and curlies.
Phil Gramm, who is co-chair of McCain’s campaign, is not just another lobbyist. He is the man most responsible for the repeal of Depression-era banking regulations that have led directly and inextricably to much of today’s economic turmoil, and parlayed that classic example of legislative legerdemain into a lucrative lobbying career for the very people who scratched the smug Texan’s back — as well as McCain’s — on Capitol Hill.
Gramm was the biggest of the big guns behind the 1999 repeal of the banking regulations — the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act — which was officially called The Financial Services Modernization Act. (Don’t you just love the name!)
Passage of the law was greased with an astonishing $300 million in lobbying money, and it encountered little opposition other than from those old-fashioned banks that actually insure your deposits, while receiving the enthusiastic blessing of the Bill and Hillary Clinton co-presidency. And you had better believe that the so hands-on First Lady was all for it.
One of many consequences of the repeal was that a year later the Swiss bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. A year after that, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS’s new investment banking arm and has since energetically lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department on banking and mortgage issues.
This has included rolling back state rules that sought to stem the rise of predatory tactics used by lenders and brokers that led directly to the subprime mortrage meltdown, which cost USB more than $19 billion in writedowns this week and the prospect of massive job cuts.
McCain and Gramm go way back.

In 1992, the two worked closely as senators to defeat Hillary Clinton’s 1993 health care plan, and in 1996 McCain was national chairman of Gramm’s unsuccessful presidential run.
In 2002, as the full extent of the Enron scandal was emerging, The New York Times called Gramm “a demon for deregulation” as one of the chief engineers of the stealthy approval of a bill that exempted energy commodity trading from government regulation and public disclosure. (Link disabled.)
Meanwhile, Gramm’s wife Wendy was paid over $1 million in salary, stock options, dividends and other goodies from 1993 to 2001 as an Enron board member, but of course was deaf, dumb and blind to the energy company’s rampant cooking its books with the acquiescence of the late unlamented Arthur Andersen accounting company.
The result was economic ruin for thousands of families.
We can be certain that even more wrack and ruin will be in the offing with a McCain presidency. This includes more of the Rich Come First economic voodoo that the Bush administration has visited upon Main Street while Wall Street investment banks got fat and happy until their greed bit them in their collective ass and they had to come begging for taxpayer bailouts. Which of course they are getting, no (serious) questions asked.
Considering the pain and suffering that Gramm’s masterwork has caused ordinary Americans, it is not hyperbolic to say that he is a terrorist, he just doesn’t wear funny looking headgear and carry a Kalashikov.
McCain acknowledges that he’s “no expert” and “doesn’t understand” the economy. That is worrisome enough, but that he is relying on a terrorist in pinstripes to figure things out for him is . . . well, terrifying.

Photo by Gabriel Chmielewski/College Station Eagle via AP

Posted by: stampaid | October 6, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Wiggin, are you serious? Obama has not been cleared of any wrongdoing in the Ayers incident? He was 8 years old. He IS guilty(?), however, of having served on a board (of very distinguished civic and government leaders) of a philanthropic organization with Ayers 40 years later. Their joint crime: righting poverty and assisting "community organizers" with assitance program for economically disadvantaged. Guilty as charged.

Posted by: seano1 | October 6, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Hey Wiggan, where do you get your silly material? Faux noise?! Really? You want to target the nebulous "associations" of one's childhood? Such morons! Will Keating 5 sink McBush? You betcha! And gosh darn it - Mooselini = Secession from the union!

Posted by: anothervoice2 | October 6, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

As usual the MSM is coming to the aid of Barack Obama...fighting his fight so he doesn't have to worry and so he can keep telling his lies at rallies. I even read an AP story, reprinted in the NYTimes of all things, that Palin's comment about Ayers is racist. Racist? Honestly, this has gone too far. People are just plain stupid. And this year it's my party, the Democrats!

Interesting to note that another darling of the press and a mentor of Barack Obama whose words he plagiarizes with consistency, is showing just how incompetent he is....Deval Patrick of Mass. AP is reporting this morning, and that must be hard for them since they are such a big fan of Obama and Patrick, that Mass is in big trouble.

"In just the past 12 months, the number of homeless families living in Massachusetts motels has skyrocketed from 17 in September 2007 to 550 in September 2008. That's on top of another 1,800 or so families in shelters.

The upswing is also putting pressure on a landmark initiative by Gov. Deval Patrick to virtually end homelessness in Massachusetts in the next five years."

In other words his number one goal was to reduce homelessness and it has gone up by hundreds of percentage points.

It is so easy to reel in the naive Democrats with promises of hope and change. Patrick's and Obama's main purpose is to help minorities but they pput the entire country at risk. We cannot afford Barack Obama and you'd better stop paying attention to articles like this one. Your lifestyle is in big danger and people like Obama and Patrick will only make it worse. They're talkers not doers. Wake up before it's too late.

We're keeping copies of these articles by the MSM so we can use them later when they deny they had any part in this catastrophe.

Posted by: hazwalnut | October 6, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

The McCain campagin has officially jumped the shark.

For all you Republcina just tuning in having questions about Obama, please don;t waste our time.

Go back and read the vetting of the past year. All question have been asnwered and Obama has more than stood up to your biased standards for him that require perfection, while McCain continue to lie and cheat and demonstrate poor judgement.

Posted by: King3 | October 6, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign have a problem. McCain might have been 'exonerated', but he was still cited for his 'poor judgement'. "it was the wrong thing to do... I was judged eventually, after three years, of using, quote, poor judgment, and I agree with that assessment." McCain said.

You can draw parallels with that and Obama describing his involvement with Rezko when buying his house as 'boneheaded', but buying a house at 85% of the market value (the best offer received by the sellers), and being involved in the savings and loan crisis? Worlds apart.

As for Ayers, simply knowing someone isn't enough - you all have jobs right? Would you want to be judged by your co-workers? I didn't think so. The question isn't who you know, it's how you know them, what have you been doing with them. Has Obama been making bombs with Ayers the 60s terrorist? No. Has Obama been involved with work on educational issues with Ayers the college professor and expert on educational issues? Yes.

Posted by: aengil | October 6, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Sorry folks. The Charles Keating Scandal TRUMPS Ayers all day long and you folks know it. McCain shot himself in the foot. He brought a pee shooter to a gun fight - he loses. What McCain seems to forget is that Obama packs a FEROCIOUS SECOND PUNCH! Keating scandal is Directly related to the current ECONMIC CRISIS.

Posted by: Julescator | October 6, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

@wiggan....and what crime is Obama accussed of?

YOu leave out thefact that any "crime" Ayers supposedly committed was done when Obama was eight years old. Ayers was never convicted.

McCain was directyl involved with Keating and the gov;t bailout.

Obama was 8. Try again.

What "exoneration" are you talking about? You are a clueless twit.

Posted by: King3 | October 6, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

The best part of this is that the McCain campaign is going broke. Palin's the new fundraising draw. They are trying to get money our of the right wing "Christians" but the stock market has them worried and they are hanging onto cash.

What a bad time for the real world to interrupt the GOP fantasy world....

Posted by: protagoras | October 6, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

WOW! You would have thought with all the evidence against John McCain that he too would have been charged.... oh yeah, he wasn't, because the democratically appointed investigator said "there's nothing on him".... But the Post still doesn't get it; McCain will take this in a walk, because for all of their attempts at swaying this election, the only poll that matters is in the booth on November 4th.

Posted by: Trysthens | October 6, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

http://www.keatingeconomics.com/
http://www.johnmccainrecord.com/

John McCain is not who you think he is...

Posted by: julie15 | October 6, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Please have a look at this article posted at the Moderate Voice before jumping to any conclusions : http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/18787/phil-gramm-mccains-terrorist-in-pinstripes/

Posted by: stampaid | October 6, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Had Sarah Palin even heard of Ayers before this election, or did Grandpa have to fill her in? My skin crawls every time I hear her parroting the right wing nitwits.

(Was anyone else reminded of Jesus camp watching her speech yesterday? The audience booed in unison every time she uttered a trigger word like Obama, The New York Times, or Bill Ayers. Maybe they had a "Boo" sign.)

OK, let's find any and every lose connection we can lay our hands on and use that as evidence against the other guy.

Start with McCain and Keating. Atta boy.

Posted by: poortrekker | October 6, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Some more Obama erratic friends: Frank Marshall Davis, Communist Party USA member and young Obama’s beloved mentor “Frank”, Khalid al Mansour, aka Donald Warden, Black Panther lawyer, professor, fanatic racist Muslim demagogue, helped Obama get admitted to Harvard, Bill Ayers, professor, terrorist bomber of Pentagon & U.S. Capitol, launced Obama’s first campaign and ran 2 non-profit foundations with Obama, Tony Rezko, Syrian born real estate developer, slumlord & convicted briber, Obama’s biggest campaign donor. Rev Wright, Pastor, mentor, friend, racist preaches white hate. Picture this bunch on Air Force One!!

Posted by: CayC | October 6, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

I find it funny the Right is anti Intellectualism and elitism - the exact same target and basis of Chairman Moa's Cultural revolution - now buying and nationalising Banks and Insurance company - so who are the real dictator commies ?????? - the red states seem very appropriate for the USA versions of the Gang of four - Bush/Cheney/Mc Cain and Palin...OH and Mc Cain a maverick war hero - just doing what daddy told him to - join up and my contacts will get you a top gun job and you dont even have to learn that much (hence all the planes he crashed) and did it badly as well and got rewarded...what about all the other poor grunts on the ground...as the Vietnamese commander of the anti aircraft battery recently said " He killed a few fish and they missed the power plant anyway"...
Meanwhile whilst criticisng Obama for palling around with terrorists and for wanting talks with them - what does the republican puppet in Afghan Karzi (ex inter oil exec funny that) and the a intolerant and undemocratic pupopet regime of Saudi Arabia want to do - negotiate peace talks with the Taliban...if it wasnt so serious they would be a comedy show these republicans...
10/6/2008 7:17:57 AM

Posted by: colinemery | October 6, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

The difference between Ayers and Keating is McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing in Keating, whereas Obama has yet to clear his name of these associations. He can backpeddle and disassociate himself from Ayers as he did with Rev. Wright, but that does not rid him of his long record of association. You see in this country when a man is accused of a crime and found after investigation to be innocent of that crime, his name is cleared. For the Wash Post to give time to a re-airing of an allegation that was later proven to be false is irresponsible. You should instead attack McCain on the issues. For instance you can explain to your readership why socialism and Obama are good for America, even if Obama won't pay for the socialism he peddles.

Posted by: Wiggan | October 6, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Wow the only guy not convicted in the keating 5 and by the way the other 4 were democrats and maybe Perry just happens to work in the Obama camp. What a joke when your local paper has become a campaign tool for a party.

Posted by: joeortega4 | October 6, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

The Impulsively Unreflective Duo In..."McCain Goes Negative!"

In our last episode, we saw the indomitable, impulsive duo suspend the campaign to take on the Crisis on Wall Street! Now, watch, as, in our next episode...McCain Goes Negative!

McCain paces the floor in the Fortress of Irritability. He is cracking walnuts.

A walnut slips to the floor.

McCain: Damn nutcracker!

Sarah Palin is sitting in a chair at a desk. She is writing on a piece of paper: "J.M + S.P." This is then crossed out and replaced by "S.P. + J.M.". These alternating versions , the one before it always crossed out, continues down the page.

McCain: Well, the first plan didn't work. We tried to put them in a trance with the folksy ray, but they had their deflectors halfway raised. If only you hadn't called the commander in Afghanistan "McClellan"

Palin: But...didn't you say they were fighting a civil war, Sir?

McCain looks at Palin silently. He is smiling but he is holding back anger.

McCain: I think the time has come. We have to call in...Dr. Negative.

He pushes a large black button, which is the only button, on a red phone on his desk.

Dr. Negative immediately bursts through the door. He is carrying flyers, masking tape; telephone wires are wrapped around his arms hanging in every way; a tattered copy of the book "Accusations of Fascism, Communism, Terrorism, Drug Use, Pedophilia, Islamism, Adultery, Pandeism, Cannibalism, Cubism, Miscegenation, and Spousal Abuse...for Dummies!" is rolled and stuffed in his left pocket, filled with bookmarks; he is dragging a Robocaller behind him, leashed to a chain.

Dr. Negative (quickly, eagerly): Did you hear? Obama was born in Bin Laden's subterranean bomb making factory, outside of U.S. lines. He was born on a pile of cocaine and dynamite--and the midwife was a Trotskyite!

McCain: Not yet, Dr. Negative. I want you to meet Sarah.

Sarah: Oh, we've already met.

Dr. Negative: That trooper went down! He poisoned the salmon milk at the Wasilla Bible school! With drugs made at a Leftist Satan worshiping collective! That you could see from Russia!

Sarah: You betcha'!

Sarah and Dr. Negative give each other a high five. Dr. Negative's telephone wires rattle on his arm as he does so, triggering the Robocaller, which starts playing "...illegitimate babies made in test tube factories in North Korea and sent to Chicago by Bill Ayers..."

Dr. Negative shuts off the Robocaller with an embarassed smile.

Dr. Negative: Just practicing.

There is a pause.

McCain: That's fine, Dr. Negative. That's fine. Because, now, I have a special job for you. An important one.

Dr. Negative leaps into the air with excited glee. As he does, detritus falls to the floor--buttons reading "Election Day: Remember, the 3rd Tuesday in November!", business cards, reading "Push Polls Anonymous--We Call, They Fall", "Mongers On Call-No Rumor Too Far fetched"; Bandaids with purple hearts; mangled and dirty chads.

Dr. Negative: A new job! A special job! Oh, Mr. McCain! I'm ready! I'm ready!

Sarah watches from her chair, filing her nails.

McCain: Now, Dr. Negative. You have to make him seem radical...

Dr. Negative quickly pulls a can out of his right pocket, emblazoned with the word "Radical" He opens the top. Red and Black snakes fly out.

Dr. Negative: (eagerly, expectantly, hungrily) Yes...Yes...

McCain: You'll have to start rumors that are so inflammatory that they will spread like wildfire, and that will be started too late to stop them with the actual truth...

Dr. Negative pulls a gigantic grinder out of his left pocket. It is labeled "Rumor Mill". He turns the crank a few times. Hamsters, syringes, and Peace symbols fly out.

Dr. Negative: Yes...Yes...

He is salivating.

McCain: They will have to be so incredible, so over-the-top, based on such tawdry and poorly sourced evidence, yet riddled with tempting minutia--bullet gauges, Google maps of supposed meetings and the like, that the right will eat them up, and start analyzing the minutia with adolescent glee.

Dr. Negative (Very calmly, matter of fact): Oh, that's easy. They'll eat anything.

Dr. Negative reaches into his back pocket, pulls out a manila envelope labeled "Minutia: So-called "Proof" for the Right". He empties it to the floor. Bullet gauge measures, outdated copies of Photoshop, paperbacks entitled "How to Use the Insane as Competent Witnesses", "The Faked Moon Landings! Roswell! And Other Believable Phenomena!" and "You TOO Can Be A Warrior--From Your Own Couch!" fall to the floor.

Sarah plucks out the "Faked Moon Landings" book. She starts reading.

McCain: We know how our girl loves to read.

Sarah stops, and begins fixing her hair in a hand mirror.

Now, Dr. Negative, there is one final task.

Dr. Negative: Yes, Mr. McCain?

McCain: It is very difficult. Very...dark.

Dr. Negative: (Leaning forward expectantly, his voice quivering with excitement): Yes, Mr. McCain, Yes?

McCain: You will have to play the card that they played against me. Do you understand?

The room becomes silent. Sarah stops looking at herself, and looks towards the center of the room where McCain and Dr. Negative are staring at each other.

Dr. Negative: You mean...(eyes widened with disbelief. His telephone wires are quietly shaking as he shivers).

McCain (nodding): Yes.

Dr. Negative slowly removes from his jacket pocket what seems to be an ordinary pack of playing cards. They are labeled "Joker" brand. He takes a penknife from his pocket, and slowly slices the covering cellophane. There is a slight and distant roar. He looks at McCain.

McCain nods.

Dr. Negative then slowly removes the red ribbon encircling the cellophane at the top of the pack. He inserts the penknife--holding it from it very farthest end--and flips open the top of the pack.

Smoke begins to pour from the top of the pack, thick, acrid smoke. It quickly fills the room, covering all that is in sight.

McCain (shouting amidst the sound of smoke rushing into the room): And remember--no fingerprints!

Next episode: The smoke is cleared.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 6, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

The Ayers, Retzko, Wright, Pfleger, Farrakhan, Soros, Raines etc. issues are undeniable facts -- and one should be shocked, the Keating issue a busted socialist propaganda myth.

Bill Clinton blames the Democrats for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fiasco:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Posted by: loan4ever | October 6, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Ayers group was a terrorist group and totally different from the Keating affair...
however obama's group acorn helped create the economic crisis we have now...
violence over financial gain...why do dems think the latter is worse...

Posted by: DwightHCollins | October 6, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

And let us not forget G Gordon Liddy, who supports and has donated thousands to McCain.

During the Waco disaster Liddy openly advocated killing ATF agents with "head shots".

McCain and the RNC are truly despicable.


Posted by: bird52 | October 6, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Since the McCain camp brought it up, let's talk about "unrepentent terrorists":

Barack Obama has denounced Ayers’ past activities (which, of course, occurred when Barrack was EIGHT (8) yrs. old), and has had no association with Ayers that I can find in the past five years.

By contrast, McCain’s campaign EMBRACED Oliver North’s endorsement of McCain and proudly sent it out to reporters. To its credit, the Washington Post blog asked the McCain campaign a fundamental question:

"Is McCain pleased to receive North's endorsement, given the fact that the failed GOP senatorial candidate was CONVICTED in 1989 of shredding documents, accepting an illegal gratuity and aiding and abetting in the obstruction of Congress?"

McCain’s campaign refused to answer.

As then, I now wonder, if Barack Obama is asked questions about his DISTANT links with alleged unrepentant "terrorist" Bill Ayers, why isn’t McCain being asked about his embrace of an ACTUAL "unrepentant terrorist" like Oliver North?

Unlike the Bill Ayers question, the issue of Oliver North is highly relevant to important policies. Will John McCain do anything similar to Iran-Contra in his administration? Does he believe that the Executive branch is authorized to commit crimes with impunity after Congress has prohibited them? Would he pardon the criminals as Ronald Reagan did?

In my mind, Bill Ayers falls into roughly the same category as Oliver North: Someone who committed crimes but never served time due to a technicality.

THERE IS AN IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE.

Ayers never actually killed, or even tried to kill, anyone. North, by contrast, is responsible for helping to illegally funnel arms to our enemies in Iran and using the proceeds to provide money and weapons to support the terrorist actions of the Contras in Nicaragua.

Oliver L. North was indicted March 16, 1988, on 16 felony counts. After standing trial on 12, North was convicted May 4, 1989 of three charges: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines and 1,200 hours community service.

I know, us Democrats rely too much on facts. But had we known the TRUE facts about Iraq and the claims of Weapons of Mass Destructions. The facts that the republican administration knew and kept from the American People, there would be thousand's of young men and women in the U.S. Armed Forces still alive today.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 6, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

McCain used his political office to help Keating swindle thousands of Americans out of their savings. He's sorry now, just like he was "sorry" he opposed Martin L. King's birthday being a national holiday for many years.

Obama by contrast was a child when Ayers committed the acts he was accused of. Acts Obama has denounced.

Palin-McCain, the self glossed "mavericks" have gone all negative, all the time. They're "taking the gloves off", as the right wing radio, blogosphere and print media has trumpetted the last 48 hours. This is what pols do when they're start falling further and further behind in the polls.....

Posted by: mathas | October 6, 2008 6:41 AM | Report abuse

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