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For McCain, It's Back to the Ayers Attack

By Michael D. Shear
After a brief respite from attacks during the second presidential debate, Sen. John McCain and his Republican allies returned Wednesday to the subject of Bill Ayers.

In a statement issued by McCain's campaign, the son of a former New York State Supreme Court justice whose house was firebombed by Ayers' group condemned Sen. Barack Obama, declaring that "Barack Obama's friend tried to kill my family."

John M. Murtagh, an attorney who has been critical of Obama in the past, said his house was firebombed by the Weather Underground when he was 9 years old, an act aimed at his father, who was presiding over a trial of Black Panthers.

"The terrorist group founded by Barack Obama's friend William Ayers, firebombed my house," Murtagh said. "Barack Obama may have been a child when William Ayers was plotting attacks against U.S. targets -- but I was one of those targets. Barack Obama's friend tried to kill my family."

McCain and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, have been making Ayers an issue since deciding to go after Obama's character. Aides say polling suggested that before last week few Americans knew of Ayers or his connection to Obama. They intend to change that.

Obama's aides did not comment on the Murtagh statement. But in the past, they have said that Obama and Ayers did not have a close relationship. And they have rejected McCain's attempts to link Obama to terrorist activities.

By Web Politics Editor  |  October 8, 2008; 2:01 PM ET
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The Ayers thing has already proven to be a nonissue. In bringing this up over and over and over again, Mccain/palin are appalling- in no way fit to lead. Completely dishonest- distorting the facts, poltiticans literally without substance- it would be scary to see this angry, inept, apparently senile old man in the white house! They ought to be locked up for insulting our next President- clearly, Mr. Obama is an intelligent, kind and capable leader..

Posted by: rsampson02 | October 11, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Real Brother here.

I find it ridiculous too that Obama living on the same planet as William Ayers is supposed to mean something.

William Ayres had a problem with a Racist Govt. that was assasinating Blacks and Whites who were sympathetic to Civil Rights(JFK, Misssippi, etc.).

Bombings were wrong and Barack Obama has said that, but so are FBI assasinations.

George Bush Sr. when he headed the CIA was butchering the US Constitution, we lived in different times.

It was groups like the Black Panthers and the Weather Underground and Black Liberation Theology that brought about the changes that TODAY we all take for granted.

These were radical groups granted, but they paved the way and opened the eyes of White Racists and Supremacists and it was just what the doctor ordered.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 8, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama's linked to many questionable characters -- we've only heard of a few of them. We can only hope more facts about him are uncovered before the election. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Wake up Americans before its too late.

Posted by: ohioan | October 8, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

rooster54, if the Democratic Party had "vetted" Osama bin Laden and nominated him instead of Obama, would Osama's "past" be off-limits too?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Dear Republicans,
Please stop destroying the world.
Thanks.

P.S. Ayers is not going to hurt you. You can sleep with a night light if you're still scared though. Let us try to repair the damage your party has made possible so we can make it all better.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 8, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

What I love about the Republicans is that every 5 seconds they seem to get amnesia and forget all about the fact that they've been in power the past 8 years. It's like some sort of ideological Alzheimer's.

If this Ayers guy is really the scourge of domestic terrorism they claim, then where the hell have Ashcroft, Gonzalez and Mukasey been the past 8 years? These people can't pull their heads out of their @sses long enough to catch Bin Laden, and they can't catch William Ayres either? He's been living in South Chicago the whole stinkin' time!

Maybe Sarah Palin should take a few minutes from spouting lies and call the FBI tip line.

Posted by: BillinChicago1 | October 8, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Everybody involved in Chicago's educational system knows Bill Ayers. If you republicans think this means they're terrorists, then you're paranoid and insane. That would explain your looney tunes policies, and your clown candidates.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 8, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

wes1155, if the Democratic Party had "vetted" Osama bin Laden and nominated him instead of Obama, would Osama's "past" be off-limits too?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Can't the trolls on both sides pick some new cut and paste points? The same old ones are getting rather tired.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 8, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers should be an issue in this campaign. As FoxNew AND CNN have shown, the ties between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers have been political and professional, not casual. Bill Ayers is an unrepentant SDS bomber who would be serving life in federal prison except for a botched prosecution. Bill Ayers and Barack Obama were using left-liberal foundation money during the nineties in an effort to radicalize the Chicago Public Schools. I don't want a president whose main friends in Chicago were the Daley machine, Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers and Rashid Khalidi.

Posted by: rwe123 | October 8, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Why did John McCain run away right after the debate? Obama spent more time shaking hands with the audience and answering their questions. But John McCain just ran away as if Bush called him to go and bomb away Canada.

Given the educational background of both candidates it is clear that Obama has an upper hand over McCain. Moreover we don't want somebody whose main experience is cozying up with corrupt and convicted felons who milked money from over 20,000 customers and who did not know how to fly a plane and who crashed 5 fighter planes. One of the fighter planes McCain crashed in the water was clearly due to pilot error as the military records show. The other experience McCain has is in bombing away a very small country about the size of Massachussets and there also he did not do a good job.

Posted by: JohnMcCormick | October 8, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

1. We do all the work.
2. They take all the money.
3. If we want some of the wealth we produced, we have to borrow it.
4. We get ripped off with crappy loans.
5. We go bankrupt then lose our capacity to continue supporting the rich.
6. We get blamed.
7. This is all made possible by the republican party.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 8, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

If it was not the rightwing bias of the main stream media we would be looking at Sarah Palin about her associations. Her husband was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party who's founder once said "My Government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand". This man, Joe Volgar died in 1992 in an explosion while trying to buy some explosives for who knows what. This party who wants Alaska to succeed from the union was addressed by Palin just six months ago. Pretty bad from the party who saved the union.

It takes someone who bragged about the bridge to nowhere to have enough nerve to blast Obama about a reformed weatherman from the 60s when Obama was 8 years old. Give me a break. The mainstream media is in the tank for the Republicans or they would be reporting this.

Posted by: bradcpa | October 8, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Everyone:

I know the following isn't "new" news per se' but, then again, neither is Ayers. I came across this article just the other day. When I started to read it, I almost dismissed it as just more B/S. As I got further into it though, I began to wonder so I skipped on down to the author's info and read his vitae and became even more curious and more than a little angry. As it turned out, there was enough information in the article of yet another example of the infamous McCain temper (aimed this time at a family of a POW/MIA family member for god's sakes that indicated the interchange between the two had been unbelievably cruel on McCain's part (and fortunately taped and said tape is on youtube). The video is only the tip of the iceberg. As a Vietnam vet I was more than a little angry so I wanted to spread the news just in case some people had not heard of it. I don't know enough to discern left and right idealogies so I don't know which the article was published in but I implore you to read the article (which is long) anyway and watch the tape. If nothing else, do it for anyone you've ever loved that served in the military. It is all you'll need to know. Thanks.

Article:
http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1

Accompanying youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg&feature=related


BC

Posted by: rlcampbell | October 8, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"Palin's husband was a member up until the day of his wife nomination of the domestic terrorist organization that wanted to do harm to the USA, said "GD America, fought to remove Alaska from the United States Flag."

WHY would any person that loves this country support this person? How many more mistakes are they going to vote into office before they start taking their job as a voter seriously?

Posted by: wunderwood | October 8, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain is still fighting Vietnam.

One minute he was a careerist, top-gunning those "commie gooks" in their cities and rice paddies and the next he was in a prison camp for five and a half years. He's lucky they didn't kill him on the spot. After all, that's what he was doing to them. Many would consider his bombing runs over Hanoi the activities of a war criminal.

I'm sure he came home wondering how did we "lose"? After all, we had all the fire power, the carriers, the aircraft, the men, the economics - we were the "super power". I'm sure he thinks we lost because we didn't have the "guts" to pursue "victory". We were "betrayed" by those nasty "librals" "Stabbed in the back" so to speak. Sounds llike some German Corporal's excuse for losing the Great War.

Of course we all now know (except maybe for John) that a "commie" Vietnam was no danger to the United States; that their war was one of nationalism vs. colonialism. They fought the Japanese, then the returning French colonialists, then their American successors.

There are 58,000+ names on a black wall that we "honor" - kids mostly. Kids drafted off the poorer streets of American, given a few months of basic and dropped in a faraway country to "kill commies". Most died while Nixon vowed to bring the troops "home with honor" When pols use that expression it usually means someone else's kid has to die for an empty slogan.

Too many died too far away from home for far too little. There is no honor in that.

My bedroom set is marked "Made in Vietnam".

Those kids died for nothing.

My friend died for nothing.

Bill Ayers killed no one.

Who knows how many "Top Gun" McSame killed dropping bombs on civilians in another war that never had to be fought?

Posted by: toritto | October 8, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"What if mind games" are as good as "six degrees of kevin bacon games".

Neither are important to deciding the better leader of the greatest country on earth.

McCain is running a smear campaign.

ARNOLD WEBER IS A BILL AYERS ASSOCIATE AND A MCCAIN CAMPAIGN DONOR.

Get past these stupid parlor games. Vote on the issues and stop letting folks like Karl Rove and Rick Davis scare you into voting for their guy.

Posted by: wunderwood | October 8, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Somebody needs to bring this stuff out in the open. The media is falling down on the job.

Posted by: NObama | October 8, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

toritto

that is to pay for the last week-end retreat for AIG and for many many more

oink oink oink ... pigs with lipstick

somebody could make a fortune this election cycle murchandizing T shirts and head gear with pigs and lipstick

here is one way to get part of the economy going

Posted by: amitchel | October 8, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Just Announced:

Treasury will give AIG ANOTHER $37.5 billion on top of the $85 billion last week.

:-)

What was that about Bill Ayers???

Posted by: toritto | October 8, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Ayers: “Taken Out of Context”

Let’s play a “what if” mind game. Here are the steps:

(1) Take all that you know about the interactions between Senator Obama and William Ayers,
(2) remove William Ayers and his infamous quote (“I wish we had [bombed America] more to stop the war”) out of that context.
(3) Replace Ayers with a KKK terrorist who had lynched blacks in the 1940s when McCain was a young boy,
(4) and now says “I wish we had lynched more [n-words] to stop integration”.
(5) Next, replace Ayers with an anti-abortion terrorist who had bombed women’s health clinics in the 1970s when Governor Palin was a young girl,
(6) and now says “I wish we had bombed more abortion mills to stop abortion”.

Ask yourself the following:

(a) Would Barack Obama interact as much with such persons?
(b) Would the news media be so cavalier about such persons?
(c) Would Mayor Daley have made either of the above “Citizen of the Year?”
(d) Would the University of Illinois at Chicago employ such persons as a professor?

Posted by: philip534 | October 8, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain has nothing more left in him to offer to the future of America. He has become more of a liability for this country. Already this country is going through a tough time and people are feeling down about everything. We don't want to hear about Bill Ayers who may or maynot have been relevant 30 years ago. Because of McCains association with Charles Keating, 20,000 people lost everything they had in the Lincoln savings & loan. I don't think Obama's association with Bill Ayer's has caused any loss of comfort for any Americans. In fact according to reports they were associated with charity work more than anything else during that time frame.

I have yet to hear of McCain being involved in any charity work.

Posted by: JohnMcCormick | October 8, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

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Obama supporters hoot about Obama being only 8 years old when Ayers was associated with terrorism in America. That doesn't absolve Obama of his relations with Ayers. For that matter as late as around 9/11, Ayers stated regarding the terrorism that he felt 'they had not done enough'. Obama's judgment and motives cannot be trusted.

.

Posted by: Billw3 | October 8, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

wallow wallow wallow .... oink oink oink ... it does not matter the unregulated pigs with lipstick or the % of the 5% who are filthy rich or as McCain said his $ 5million a year middle class are the ones who like the smear and the mud wrestling while the rest of us try so hard to make ends meet. DO NOT BE DISTRACTED BY THE SMEAR as we voters for the republicans got DISTRACTED BY THE FEAR in 2004. OBL wants us to remain a divided country with egg on our face all over the world. THIS TIME WE HAVE NEWS FOR OBL there will be a new sheriff in town ... and there is no place out of reach or foreign policy that will stop us from W's "dead or alive" comment

Posted by: amitchel | October 8, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The list of people who have sat on boards with Ayer, have given him awards for his service, who have funded his work reads like a who's who of Republican and Democratic movers/shakers and funders. They, in fact, represent the "reaching across the aisle to get things done" that McCain professes to want. To listen to the rabid right gnaw on this old bone would be laughable except that the divisiveness, hate and fear that it engenders is actually quite dangerous.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 8, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Mavericky McCain = Georgie Boy's "Sidekick"....

You betcha!!

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

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rlcampbell:
"This election is far too important (and I'm sure you're aware of just how important) to play these sorts of sick games with it."

The truth is never a sick game.

.

Posted by: Billw3 | October 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

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JimFargo said re Ayers:
"When McCain bombs somebody that is heroism, when somebody else bombs somebody they are terrorists."

You need to move to Vietnam.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 8, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Shear:

Why oh why would you print this? I suppose on a slow news day or as a personal favor to McCain I can understand another article on Ayers but THIS? Someone who didn't know about this issue would be led to believe that Barrack Obama had something to do with Murtaugh's house being bombed. Aside from aiding and abetting the McCain/Palin smear machine you are now complicit in lying to do it. Shame on you. This election is far too important (and I'm sure you're aware of just how important) to play these sorts of sick games with it.

Posted by: rlcampbell | October 8, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/that-one.html

Tuesday, October 07, 2008

"That One"

What a very odd thing for McCain to say.

McCain repeatedly invoked the need for a "steady hand on the tiller" tonight--for someone who will be calm and cool in the crises that the upcoming years will present us.

Yet this is a man who is utterly unable to contain his contempt--even on a night when, even as Bill Bennett says, he needed to "break through", and even when such a strange expression of disdain could only highlight pettiness, anger and partisanship that voters wish that candidates would steer away from in the greater interest of the nation.

McCain's fundamental position--one from which he finds his momentum and meaning--is so often one of a contemptuous anger for those who do not understand what he believes he has learned--e.g., "them".

This is the impulsive, gut-driven, black and white thinking that we have seen throughout the campaign.

We have had 8 years of a President driven by impulsive, black and white, gut-driven, categorical thinking. In those 8 years, from a position that manifested from the very start an angry, assumed knowledge, and a contempt for the position of others, we have now seen the results.

So this time: choose that one.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/that-one.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 8, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The issue is not what Ayers did when Obama was 8-years old. The issue is what influence does Ayers have in the education philosophy of an Obama Administration.

Posted by: Verrazzano | October 8, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

This country is in the middle of an economic melt-down (among other things) and McCain want's to talk about Bill Ayers etc?!?!


John McBush is finished...
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 8, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

$300 billion more slop for the pigs with lipstick ... let the guys who perpetrated this fraud go free with that much of tax payers money and pretend as if you are helping the homeowners ... and the audacity of saying that Barack Obama will raise the taxes on the American people!! When McCain is choosing to use the tax $$ of the Treasury to all these crooks to go free. So, McCain is selling his house ... can we not see that his next move is leaving the Senate forever if he does not win this election? Palin will go back to Alaska and push for more drilling of oil ... and maybe start reading up on governing the country. sarah watches TV she does not read ... do they have all the major TV networks in Alaska?

This is not what Hiliary Clinton fought for

Posted by: amitchel | October 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

If McCain thinks Bill Ayers is a terrorist now, he should find ways to put him in jail. As a senator, he can write a letter to the justice department to take care of that problem. Rather than wasting all his campaign ad money on talking about Bill Ayers why can't he use that money to talk about his plans for fixing the economy.

McCain is becoming more and more pathetic in his campaign strategy as we get close to the election date. Rather than finish it in a high note, he is shooting for a street fight.

This country is so tired of Bush's and McCain's terrorist talks. Both of these cowards won't go after the real terrorists but are concentrating on the garden variety ones who are leading a normal day to day life here in the United States.

When McCain bombs somebody that is heroism, when somebody else bombs somebody they are terrorists. I think McCain is given more credit than he deserves for losing the war in Vietnam.

Posted by: JimFargo | October 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

FreeVoice1, you said:
"People in my companies are getting laid off. My neigbor's house just got foreclosed. My friend's mother just got denied by her Health Insurance company due to pre-existing condition. My other friend's father gets regular Chemotherapy, he just got laid off and has no Health Insurance now. My house value went down 12% this year alone. My 401K went down 26% in last 3 weeks."

And you STILL don't know who to vote for? Really?? Please, do us all a favor and stay home on election day. Otherwise, your village might start wondering where its idiot went.

Posted by: Tracey3345 | October 8, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The U.S. Council for World Freedom aided rebels trying to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the IRS, which revoked the charitable organization's tax exemption.

The council, created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.

The U.S. Council recruited McCain soon after it set up shop in Phoenix, where McCain was starting to lay down roots as he eyed his first run for elected office, a 1982 U.S. House race that he won. The Anti-Defamation League in 1981 condemned the U.S. Council as having “increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact, for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.”

The New Times article — and a in other local papers — appeared in the days after the Reagan administration fingered the council for operating a plane that was shot down that month while flying supplies to Nicaraguan Contra rebels.

Singlaub at the time denied the council was involved with the plane. But he later acknowledged during congressional hearings on the Iran-Contra affair that he was part of a secret program carried out with the knowledge of U.S. military officials that used former intelligence operatives to arm the anti-communist Contras, circumventing a ban on U.S. military assistance to the rebels.

Most of this comes from Peter Yost in the Associated Press.

Posted by: dcwsano | October 8, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

McCain is still fighting Vietnam.

One minute he was top-gunning those "commie gooks" in their cities and rice paddies and the next he was in a prison camp for five and a half years. He's lucky they didn't kill him on the spot. After all, that's what he was doing to them. Many would consider his bombing runs over Hanoi the activities of a war criminal.

I'm sure he came home wondering how did we "lose"? After all, we had all the fire power, the carriers, the aircraft, the men, the economics - we were the "super power". I'm sure he thinks we lost because we didn't have the "guts" to pursue "victory". We were "betrayed" by those nasty "librals" "Stabbed in the back" so to speak. Sounds llike some German Corporal's excuse for losing the Great War.

Of course we all now know (except maybe for John) that a "commie" Vietnam was no danger to the United States; that their war was one of nationalism vs. colonialism. They fought the Japanese, then the returning French colonialists, then their American successors.

There are 58,000+ names on a black wall that we "honor" - kids mostly. Kids drafted off the poorer streets of American, given a few months of basic and dropped in a faraway country to "kill commies". Most died while Nixon vowed to bring the troops "home with honor" When pols use that expression it usually means someone else's kid has to die for an empty slogan.

Too many died too far away from home for far too little. There is no honor in that.

My bedroom set is marked "Made in Vietnam".

Those kids died for nothing.

My friend died for nothing.

Bill Ayers killed no one.

Who knows how many "Top Gun" McSame killed dropping bombs on civilians in another war that never had to be fought?

Posted by: toritto | October 8, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin...John McCain, dumb arse George Bush, Dick Cheyney, and Donald Rumsfield endoresed Osama Bin Laden way before anyone had a chance to even breathe in 9/11.....you know how they did it...John McCain endorsed Osama Bin Laden when he sent our troops to be murdered Iraq, took his eyes of Afghanistan and Alcaida and the taliban is more stronger now than ever before...McCain gave Osama bin Laden a "get out of jail" free card. Mcain and Bush are oil buddies with Osama Bin Laden which is why they aren't trying to catch him. Now that's a lack of character association that we really need to investigate and research ...What'da ya think! wink...wink...wink...

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain's underlying loyalty is to the economic anarchy ideology of the robber barons who brought us this mess. It doesn't matter what he says to the contrary, or what shiny new gimmicky enticements he pulls out of his, I mean our, assets in a desperate attempt to get elected. He's just plain out of touch with reality.

JOHN MCCAIN DOESN'T GET IT, and he's not going to change.

Please don't stick our country with this flim flam man and his immature accomplice.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 8, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's campaign donor's FRIEND tried to kill that guy's family?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH JOHN MCCAIN?

HOW CAN HE ACCEPT THIS BLOOD MONEY?

Arnie Weber should be ashamed of himself!

He even gave Tom Ayers (Bill Ayer's dad) a JOB! And now he is trying to wash his hands of this and John McCain is taking his money. McCain must be DESPERATE.

Posted by: wunderwood | October 8, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

McCaint is a spineless coward....

Watch his response on the :14 sec mark...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo

...Why didnt McCaint talk about his running "nurse" peeeuuu Palin?

Neo-cons...please answer why his "pig" with lipstick was not mentioned......
Could it be because of 1200 dollar rape kits that victims pay in Alaska
Could it be because of the Alaskan Independence Party?
Could it be because of the Alaskan Independence Party sympathized with Timothy McVeigh.
Could it be because of AIP Founder Joe Vogel: “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government", “and I won't be buried under their damn flag." (Joe Vogel is buried in Canada.)
Could it be because of Vogels' rantings of ....“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Joe Vogel – Founder.
Could it be because of Dexter Clark, vice chairman of the A.I.P.: refers to the American soldiers in Alaska as "occupying troops."
Could it be because of Michael Hill, a representative of A.I.P., stated on Glen Beck’s program that the goal of the A.I.P. is to dissolve the United States and the Constitution.
Could it be because of a rally in Ft. Myers Monday, a crowd member screamed, "Kill Him" as Sarah laughed and cheered with the crowd.
Could it be because of a fake skinheaded sherriff waddles to the podium after peeeuuu and calls out Barack Hussein Obama to the crowd to further boos and chants of kill him...on Monday
Could it be because of a McCain rally, he asked, "Who is Barack Obama?" and a crowd member yelled out "Terrorist" as McCain held that silly smirk on his addled face.
Could it be because of the reprehensible type of political campaigning is typical of the desperation the Republican Party finds itself in, as their numbers in the polls fall like the stock market...and now even further...

Could it be because of the Alaskan Drug Enforcement report under Palin proved uneffective...

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/alaska.html

...Or could it be that McCaint forgot who she was...

....Or just that negative campaigning and negative pathetic ad's have a negative effect...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHW-RO1_WN0

Thanks But No Thanks..............

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 8, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

ACCEPTING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM ASSOCIATES OF KNOWN TERRORISTS?

The Ayers-Weber-McCain connection. Truth? Guilt by Association? We report. YOU Decide!

Arnold R. "Arnie" Weber is a Chicago Annenberg Board Member and Chicago "insider". He was an Assistant Secretary of Labor and Associate Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Richard Nixon. Arnie Weber, has held other Washington "insider" jobs, was former president of the Commercial Club of Chicago’s Civic Committee, and is a longtime REPUBLICAN donor. Arnie Weber was a member of the infamous **Chicago Annnenberg Challenge** Board, which was founded by known "TERRORIST" Bill Ayers!

Sarah "Barracuda" Palin was pointing out the "guilt by association" connection with Senator Barack Obama, a member of the same board. This, however, is a two way street and Ms. Palin may not understand this. The simple fact is, BY PALIN'S OWN DEFINITION, John McCain has accepted "tainted" campaign money from Arnie Weber, an associate of Bill Ayers.

Arnie Weber has given the legal limit of $1,500 to the McCain campaign in 2008. It's true! In 2008, Arnie Weber made two separate donations of $1,000 and $500 to McCain’s presidential campaign run by ex-lobbyist RICK DAVIS.

I strongly urge Senator McCain to renounce this man and his "terrorist associates", and to reject these donations. John McCain should investigate how such a thing could possibly happen inside his own campaign before seeking to cast stones at Senator Obama. RICK DAVIS needs to explain to the American voters his reasons for accepting this money. Are they really that desperate?

THE "LIBERAL MEDIA" SHOULD ASK JOHN MCCAIN WHY HE ACCEPTED TAINTED CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THIS "TERRORIST" ASSOCIATE. Arnie Weber doesn't deny that he associated for years with a "known terrorist". This is probably because he hasn't been asked.

It turns out that these types of "facts" are simply baseless smear attacks with no merit. They are meant to distract the less informed voters near the end of a campaign. You don't hear about them very often because most people want to talk about REAL issues affecting REAL lives, not play "6 degrees of Kevin Bacon".

For example, it turns out that you can trace Obama's family tree to both George W. Bush (10th cousins once removed) and Dick Cheney (eighth cousins). This is yet another useless "fact" for Trivial Pursuit, but not worthy of time in this national election. Guilt by association is an attack on voters and on the democratic process. Voters need to learn about the issues.

Some associations, however, do need scrutiny. RICK DAVIS is worth talking about. Why? If a person is running the campaign and at the same time is profiting financially as a lobbyist, the American voter has a right to know the details. The information on RICK DAVIS is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Davis_%28politics%29

HERE IS A MAN THAT MADE MILLIONS AS A WASHINGTON LOBBYIST. This guy is a caricature of the very thing that John McCain claims over and over again that he "hates". EARMARKS ANYONE? Rick Davis PRACTICALLY INVENTED EARMARKS. He launched his lobbying career straight from a Reagan White House job! McCain calls that "revolving door" politics. Now RICK DAVIS is CEO for the McCain presidential campaign.

How can we believe John McCain is against wasteful government spending after learning about his campaign manager?

Posted by: wunderwood | October 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin's husband was a member up until the day of his wife nomination of the domestic terrorist organization that wanted to do harm to the USA, said "GD America, fought to remove Alaska from the United States Flag. "First Dude" is Sarah Palin's advisor and she admitted that he advises her with governing the state of Alaska...therefore "First Dude" will assist Sarah with governing the V.P. and the United States...this membership needs to be thoroughly vetted through the news media and Sarah and "First Dude" have some splaining to do! You Betcha!!!

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama already addressed this character assasination in the primary....tell Mickey Mouse and the brainless baffoon to come up with something else but in the mean time, could they please answer to the American people about their lack of character....by the way, will Palin fork over them emails, pay the $25,000 back taxes to the government and will she and her husband tesify for the troopergate case...she sounds like Dick Cheyney in a dress and lipstick...dipstick in lipstick....you betcha!

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

dcwsano, feel free to post any (truthful) information you have in that regard.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Sen. John McCain clearly won the debate last night.

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008.

Posted by: hclark1 | October 8, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

For the record, accepting endorsements from someone is not necessarily the same as "seeking counsel of." It is clear that Obama will seek counsel from the type of people like William Ayers. As my "List of People Thrown Under the Bus" shows, he even knows it's a political dud. I'm glad, myself, that that Palin and McCain instead "associate" with those who are defending the least of these, innocent children helpless in the womb.

However, neither McCain nor Palin were ever "members" of the Alaskan Independance Party (if that's the "Domestic Terrorist Group" being referred to) and McCain was never charged, much less convicted, of anything in the Keating Five scandal (the other Keating Four "criminals" were all Democrats, as was the Congressional majority at the time, not Republicans who let him off the hook).

That being said, YesweCan1, I am sure you can "go on and on" but I'm more interested in the truth than your factually inaccurate rants. Better yet, I'm interested in your answer to the following question: if the Democratic Party had "vetted" Osama bin Laden and nominated him instead of Obama, would Osama's "past" be off-limits too?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If this is a legitimate issue, why don't we hear from some Central American victims of death squads supported the U.S. Council for World Freedom, which had McCain on its board and was run by his friend, Gen. Singlaub?

Posted by: dcwsano | October 8, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"How many are your deeds,
though hidden from sight.
O sole God without equal !

You made the Earth as You desired, You alone.
With people, cattle, and all creatures.
With everything upon Earth that walks on legs,
And all that is on high and flies with its wings."

So from what scripture is this quotation from? Come on bible experts......

:-)


Posted by: toritto | October 8, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

FreeVoice1, please see the other thread about McCain's proposal to buy and hold individual home mortgages. There are plenty of issues McCain is right on as well. But, pointing out the opponent's lack of character to hold the Office of President is a legitimate campaign issue.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Leonore Annenberg has supposedly endorsed John McCain.... Annenberg, who had William Ayers on her board. ZOMG! A terrorist sympathizer endorsed McCain!!!

Posted by: Charlene-K | October 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin... Obama has already on numerous occassions answered this silly season for politics question.....You guys didn't like the answer....He shouldn't have to address it again. However since Palin and McCain has yet to answer to their associations, it is quite legitimate to get detailed answers (not beating around the question like McCain and Palin does) answers to their associations and ACTUAL memberships in these domestic terrorist organizations. Once they do, then Obama should re-answer and re-answer the same question with the same answer....You people still won't be happy or satisfied because he didn't give you what you want.....say it ain't so .....

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent voter. I have not made up my mind yet. I know one think though, I need to hear about real issues. People in my companies are getting laid off. My neigbor's house just got foreclosed. My friend's mother just got denied by her Health Insurance company due to pre-existing condition. My other friend's father gets regular Chemotherapy, he just got laid off and has no Health Insurance now. My house value went down 12% this year alone. My 401K went down 26% in last 3 weeks. I want to hear about issues. Since I am not hearing much about issues, my vote will be dependent on least amount of negative attacks. I am counting them everyday. If they can't hear me and address my issues. I will hear there garbage, count them, and throw it back at them using my right to vote against them.

Posted by: FreeVoice1 | October 8, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

So, YesweCan1, it is a "legitimate" campaign issue?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin....John McCain seeks counsel from racist anti sematic religious fakes who spew out Hate amongst Jews, minorities, and common people. He and Palin associates with domestic terrorist who seels out abortion doctors, clinics, and patients, and they attempt to kill these folks and burn down their clinics and hospitals, and goes after those healthcare workers and patients and their families with threats of bodily harm and danger. John McCain and Palin are members of a Domestic Terrorist Group who says "GD America" and hates America and wants to remove one star from the American Flag. McCain was the only crimminal in Keating Five where Charles Keating took McCain and his family on lavish carribean and out of the country trips, and was given a fist full of money, and his son a new job. He only got off because he snitched and he had the good ole boys (you know those rich, rethuglicans, let him off the hook, guess why...because he was a POW....now how did I guess that!!! I can go on and on...so don't give me that b.s. about associations....These two pathetic clowns...McCain and Palin are deperate and they are playing into the fears, hearts, souls, and minds of those crimminally insane biggots and they are using code language to get someone to attempt to assasinate Obama...and we ain't talking about his character either...so if you support such hatred, then you deserve to suffer the same fate of these hateful biggots!

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

It was actually TWO Boards, and the Obamas lived in the same neighborhood as William Ayers. Ayers' wife, Bernardine Dohrn, worked at the same law firm as Michelle and Barack Obama. Ayers hosted "a coffee" for "Mr. Obama's first run for office" in the Ayers' home.

Again, it's not a "guilt by association." What type of people the Democratic nominee for President of the United States would seek counsel from is certainly a legitimate campaign issue.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin....You obvioulsy aren't one of those right winged nuts who claim to be christains because the bible tells us that God is a God of Love and it's Agape love, unconditional, not based on color, associations, etc. Heck Jesus hung out with prostitutes, gangsters, gamblers, murders, theives, the righteous Jews decieved the people by using fear...(sounds familiar) but Jesus had a plan which ended up saving the world....Those who hate, teaches hate and when they die they go to hell...end of the story...I never read in the bible where any hateful basta$rd went to heaven...would you like to enlighten me? Dog gone it! Here I go again!

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

heehee.

The McSame campaign is complaining about the Newsweek cover photo of St. Sarah....

...they're complaining it wasn't retouched!

"It shows wrinkles and unwanted facial hairs.....!"

Hilarious.......and oh soooo desperate.

Posted by: toritto | October 8, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

How dispicable! The McCain-Palin campaign knows Sen. Obama was never a "friend" of Ayers and only crossed paths breifly on a charity board established by a McCain supporter. Such hateful smears are not good for our nation and our political discourse. I am truly disappointed. I have numerous friends and we come from all different political persuasion. We often discuss how such venom is tearing our country apart. We often disagree on policy issues, but never resort to smears, name-calling, and venomus attacks. This has no place in our public discourse. Shameful!

Posted by: pasifikawv | October 8, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"Guilt by Association"....That is such b.s. McCain and the no brainer have ties to so many questionable associates. They are the worse hypocrites and they are going to be judged by God for doping and rousing up the hatred in those small minded individuals who aren't capable of clearly looking at statements and determining fact from half truths, lies, and deception. They are so consumed with their own hatred and fear of a black man that they won't allow themselves to be educated. McCain/Pailin will have to pay for igniting those barn fires and I can't wait for the day when it comes back on them and their children. People have to be careful when they sow ugly and distasteful deeds, it not only comes back to them two fold, it also hits their children and their grandchildren, for generations until somebody humbles themselves and repent for such wickedness. McCain and Failin Pailin is running an absolutely wicked campaign and The New York Times is the only news outlet that has literally called them on it without beating around the bush! Not to be mistaken by George Bush! Which his mother needs to beat his arse with a stick for destroying this wonderful country of ours! Four more years of this fool's policies and the USA will be a 3rd world country...

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

YesweCan1, that sounds a bit violent for my taste. Do you not think "What type of people the Democratic nominee for President of the United States would seek counsel from" is a legitimate campaign issue? You could ask the same question of John McCain, and he is white.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Gator-ron, it is common knowledge (at least among those following this political race) that William Ayers met Barack Obama "at a luncheon meeting about school reform" and lived in the same neighborhood in Chicago. Ayers' wife, Bernardine Dohrn, worked at the same law firm as Michelle and Barack Obama. Both he and Obama worked on education reform in the state of Illinois. At Ayers' urging, Obama was named to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Project Board of Directors to oversee the distribution of grants in Chicago. Later, in 1995, Ayers hosted "a coffee" for "Mr. Obama's first run for office" in the Ayers' home. The two also served on the board of a community anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 2000 and 2002, during which time the board met twelve times.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow....I have never witness true hatred, jealousy and anger like I have over the past three weeks with McCain/Failin. They have literally failed to communicate with independent voters and clear thinking Americans because McCain/Failin doesn't stand for anything and doesn't have any original ideas that is going to help America get the bus out of the ditch that McCain and dumb arse Georgie Boy drove in the ditch. They have no answers, they have no clue all they have is dumb voters who have limited ability to think. They are consumed with hatred and they need an excuse to not support the black man in the room. The good thing about all of this is that there only about 1/4 of Americans who hold such biggotry and hatred and hopeful them and their children will all die off the face of the earth real soon....they'll end up in hell burning for enternity...Now that's change that I can believe in! You betcha! Dog onit!

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou, it's not a "guilt by association" game. What type of people the Democratic nominee for President of the United States would seek counsel from is certainly a legitimate campaign issue.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Of course, even Obama himself realizes it is not politically expedient to be associated with Bill Ayers.

(Partial) List of Other People Obama Has Thrown Under the Bus:

Reverend Jeremiah Wright
His grandmother
Jim Johnson
Eric Holder
Samantha Power
Austan Goolsbee
Hillary Clinton
Bill Clinton
Father Michael Pfleger
Joe Biden (at least as to AIG)
Louis Farrakhan
Wesley Clark
Tony Rezko
Trinity United Church
His own "hair trigger" campaign ...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_distances_himself_from_hairtrigger_campaign_criticism_.html

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Michael,
McCain has nothing left to campaign on other than smear attempts on Obama.

Why bother publishing the McCain press release as your 'article'? It's lazy and un-professional. You legitimize the smear tactics, serving as the mouthpiece of the McCain campaign.

Why not spend a little time and look into the article published last week in the LA Times on McCain's three crashes as an aviator prior to being sent to Vietnam?
In his own book, McCain calls it "daredevil clowning". The Navy calls it "pilot error" and questions his judgement. Perhaps a judgement issue is pertinent to the campaign. I'll get you started..
The link to the LA Times article is here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-aviator6-2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1

Perhaps it will get you sent to the back of the bus; that would be retribution that would be newsworthy. At least then you'll know that you're doing your job.

I can be read at http://mikeby.blogspot.com

Posted by: mikeBY | October 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Michael Shear: You wasted our time. Where is the evidence of what type of relationship Obama and Ayers had? Mr Mutagh has expertise on the relationship between Ayers and the bombing but not on Ayers and Obama. If you don't have information on that this is useless.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 8, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Ayers was awarded a Citizen of the Year Award in Chicago in 1987. There is another story out today about a Republican legislator from Illinois who served on the committee and is very critical of the McCain attack for this baseless attack on Obama. The Annenberg Family which funded the education program has long been connected with Republican politicians, including Reagan. This smear by association by the McCain Palin campaign tries to associate conduct of years before
with a totally different project whereas McCain's involvement on the Singlaub committee and the Keating Five was directly involved with questionable motives or practices, including bending the rules for a major campaign conntributor.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | October 8, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"I just have to rely on the good judgment of the voters not to buy into these negative attack ads. Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it."

John McCain, 2000

Posted by: nodebris | October 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Just as McCain's policies for governance are more of the same as Bush's failed policies, his plan to "win the election" with the Ayers smear is more of the same old tactics that are proving not to resonate with most voters because they're far more interested in their bank accounts and 401K and health care.

McCain's mantra of Maverick and ear-mark reduction doesn't appear to be resonating well with voters either.

Where are all the right-wingers who like to refer to Obama as a socialist today after McCain's announcement to buy up bad mortgages and refinance them at current values and market rates?

McCain's health policy is a farce and when the very conservative organizations the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Business Roundtable and the National Federation of Independent Business say it's a bad plan, it's a bad plan. Plus he conveniently left out the details to tax health benefits which sounds suspiciously like the Republican bogey man of raising taxes and he made no mention of his plan to slash Medicare/Medicaid which should resonate very well with the legions of senior citizens residing in FLA and AZ.

It is comical that McCain calls Teddy Roosevelt "his idol" when McCain is in the tank with the wealthiest 1% of Americans and Big Business. TR distrusted the types of overpaid CEOs McCain favors, was a trust buster, believed strongly in common-sense regulation to protect consumers and supported policies that favored the middle class not the wealthiest 1% of Americans like McCain's continuation of Bush's "No Millionaire Left Behind" policies. TR wouldn't give McCain the time of day and would view him as a political enemy.

Posted by: flyfishchef | October 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey, why didn't the big bad war hero bring this up during the debate - when he could confront Obama on it face to face?

Oh, I know why - after being swatted like a fly by Obama all night, I guess he just couldn't muster the strength.

McCain is a weasel - if he wants to use this ploy - at least be man enough to confront Obama directly. He didn't, he's spineless.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions | October 8, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

This is a pathetic race baiting attempt on the McCain/Failin ticket to try and entertain the most dumbest, racists, biggoted, unintelligent and hateful voter that's still uncommitted and hasn't decided. That voter, in particular wouldn't allow themselves to pull the lever for an intelligent, articulate and educated black man anyways....So that's not a win for the McCain/Failin ticket.

But the most unsettling position that this theme ticket- (because they have so many nasty versions of their campaign till I just can no longer keep up with their hate crimes) is that there maybe some real psycho nut out there that may act out of their hatred contributing to the rhectoric coming out of the Mccain/Failin ticket. This is illegal because it's race baiting and nothing good will come out of this type of behavior. The minority voters and the intelligent voters are really fed up with these types of attacks coming out of the camp. We should hold all news organizations accountable for not speaking up on this race baiting and dangerous rhetoric comming from the McCain campaign. NBC (212)664-4444 Comment Line.

Posted by: YesweCan1 | October 8, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

jwhite1202, if the Democratic Party had "vetted" Osama bin Laden and nominated him instead of Obama, would his "past" be off-limits too?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 8, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

heehee.

The McSame campaign is complaining about the Newsweek cover photo of St. Sarah....

...they're complaining it wasn't retouched!

"It shows wrinkles and unwanted facial hairs.....!"

Hilarious.......

Posted by: toritto | October 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Yawn! Let's see when was the Ayers situation last beaten to the ground...Oh yeah! The democratic primaries. I have no idea how much mileage McCain and Caribou Barbie think they will get out of the William Ayers thing, but most people have way more to worry about right now, then who Obama may or may not have dealt with years ago. When is the old man and the babe going to start talking about issues people care about? What's Palin's plan to work with congress to fix the economy? What are the details of McCain's economic plan he mentioned during the debates? If they want to win the few independent votes left, they need to get a little longer on a strategies to get us out of this financial mess and shorter on the partisan attacks.

Posted by: jwhite1202 | October 8, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry Mr. Murtagh, but I don't care.

Best of luck getting guilt-by-association voters to join you.

Posted by: mikem1 | October 8, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Rather than dutifully reprinting what was said, why not go into as much detail in a) what facts Obama has presented to refute the connection; and b) the news agencies who have fully investigated these connections and determined them to be without merit? Oh, wait, that would take an extra 2 minutes of google and would constitute "reporting" as opposed to "transcribing."

Posted by: observer23 | October 8, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

In the five weeks since Sarah Palin was named as John McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin has spent most of that time hiding from the media. Beyond the interviews with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric, Palin has either been in an undisclosed location or only talking to the media arms of the Republican Party, where she faces a grilling on whether or not the so-called "liberal media" has been fair to her. She has yet to appear on a Sunday news show, and she has held zero press conferences. Talk about being unable to answer questions (forthrightly or otherwise), and thinking the usual rules don't apply.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E
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John McBush and Side Show Barbie must think the American people are stupid if they think anyone gives a damn about Bill Ayers and the "guilt by association" game that the McBush campaign is playing right now
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4egXbhSOhk
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 8, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

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