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McCain Called Joe the Plumber Today

Updated 8:22 p.m.
By Matthew Mosk
MELBOURNE, Fla. -- Sen. John McCain told a crowd of supporters here that he spoke by phone today with Joe Wurzelbacher, the man he made famous, at least for now, by turning him into a symbol for the type of person McCain says would be hurt by Obama's tax plan.

McCain didn't share much about the conversation, except that they discussed the military service of Wurzelbacher's grandfather, and that Wurzelbacher is weathering the media storm.

"I talked to him on the phone for the first time ever, and let me tell you, his spirits are good and he's a tough guy," McCain said. "He's what small business people all over the country are about."

It's unclear how much time is left in Wurzelbacher's 15 minutes of fame, but it was clear McCain is trying to make the most of it. Twice during his swing through Florida today, McCain referenced the circumstances of the man he calls "Joe the Plumber."

McCain repeatedly knocked Obama for purportedly turning on Wurzelbacher. In Melbourne, he urged the audience to "send Joe an e-mail and tell him you're with him." (It was unclear how anyone would go about doing that without Wurzelbacher's e-mail address, which he seems unlikely to publicize at this point.)

During his phone call, McCain appeared to have gotten a pretty good handle on the man who has almost instantly become a fixture of his campaign.

"You better be careful who's considered rich," McCain said, in an apparent warning to Obama. "I don't think Joe the Plumber thinks he is."

UPDATE: Because McCain spent much of his day talking about his new best friend, it was something of a surprise when his press secretary decided to give even more Joe the Plumber tidbits, about the "very brief" conversation the two had this morning.

We learned from Press Secretary Brooke Buchanan that McCain phoned Wurzelbacher from his car as he headed out of New York this morning.

The senator's call was only meant to "reach out to him," Buchanan said, because he's been subjected to so much attention in the past two days.

But McCain also asked something of Wurzelbacher, asking the Ohio man to join him on the campaign trail. Buchanan did not provide Joe's reply but hinted a joint appearance could be in the works. When ? No telling. "Joe's a busy guy," she said.

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"McCain called Joe the plumber today".....
Why- to ask him for a job? Looks like he'll be free for the next 4 to 8 years........

Posted by: winnie47 | October 19, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

"McCain called Joe the plumber today"....
Why- to ask him for a job? Looks like he'll be free for the next 4 to 8 years.....

Posted by: winnie47 | October 19, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Here's the problem with Joe the Plumber: he's a liar and a tax cheat.

He is not a plumber.

He owes over $1,000 in back taxes.

He earns less than $50,000 a year, which means he is in no position to open a small business.

He is now John McCain's economic advisor.

And here we all thought Sarah Palin was the biggest joke of this election.

Posted by: jimcummings | October 18, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Please read this article and get to know the Real John McCain. This is sad! You can tell a lot about a man’s character by the way he treats his love ones…..
This is a quote, but read the article from the link below...

"Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights, said: ‘I have been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is – deceit.
‘When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it.
‘Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.
‘This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

Posted by: leoruler | October 18, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The fact is Obama's tax plan is just a return to the PROVEN system Bill Clinton used during the prosperity of his term in office. Bill Clinton left office with huge budget surpluses.
-Seemstone
?????????????????

From the San Francisco Chronicle (A Newspaper Endorsement for McCain?!)

Social Security rehab died first under Clinton
Lewinsky scandal, impeachment ended his overhaul attempt
Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Monday, April 11, 2005


Seven years ago, the first Baby Boomer president traveled the country to warn that his generation's impending retirement -- 76 million people, equal to the populations of California, Texas and Florida combined -- would bankrupt the generations to follow.

"It would be unconscionable if we failed to act," President Bill Clinton said at a forum in 1998, when he made fixing the nation's retirement program a top priority of his second term.

Clinton's efforts then, in light of President Bush's now, induce an extraordinary sense of déjà vu.

Clinton appointed a bipartisan commission, which delivered in 1997 three options to save the giant retirement program. They included a now-familiar list of possible benefit cuts, from changing indexing formulas to raising the retirement age.

One of the options would have allowed workers to divert 5 percentage points of their payroll taxes to personal accounts -- the first such proposal by a government commission.

Clinton started campaigning for changes, without saying what he endorsed. "I don't want to dodge any of that," he said, but "if I advocate a specific plan right now, then all the debate will be about that. The first thing we've got to do is get the American people solidly lined up behind change."

So he traveled the country in 1998, giving speeches, radio addresses, and holding town hall meetings with young workers and retirees.

He warned that it is better to "fix the roof when the sun is shining," and ran through the familiar arithmetic of the declining number of workers supporting every retiree. He urged finding ways to allow poorer workers to build wealth so they could "own a share of our nation's prosperity."

He pleaded for bipartisanship, promising that all ideas were on the table.

But he said there were really only three options: "We can raise payroll taxes again, which no one wants to do because the payroll tax is regressive ... We can cut benefits ... or we can work together to try to find some way to increase the rate of return."

SO CLINTON SAID NO ONE WANTS TO DO WHAT OBAMA WANTS TO DO BECAUSE IT'S REGRESSIVE!!!

Posted by: thecannula | October 18, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Why don't people quit trying to get rich and just concentrate on contributing something of value for reasonable compensation? (Which would be about three times what we get now.)

Republicans treat us like suckers in Vegas who'll give up what's rightfully theirs for some far out, long shot, highly improbable, jackpot. They exploit greedy illusions in order to maintain their pirate's booty. Don't keep being a sucker! Let's insist on real productivity, and on getting paid C.O.D.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 18, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

FOX news GOP'er Conservative Malzberg insisted:

".. even though the actual Joe Wurzelbacher would do far better under Obama's tax plans, the real point is that raising taxes on the wealthy to give relief to the middle class removes any incentive for people to get rich....

Surely John McCain straight talked that exact point during his phone call to Joe the Plumber!

Posted by: spritey | October 18, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Joe Blow is proud to be an ignoramus.

The entitled rich begrudgingly pay their taxes with essntially stolen wealth that should have gone to the people whose hard work produced the goods and services they control in the first place.

Today a worker's hour buys 1/3rd of what it did 50 years ago. Today's executive gets 411 times the pay of the workers who actually produce the wealth. If we were paid what we actually deserve we would get at least 3 times what we get now, and there wouldn't be a mortgage crisis. The money is there. It was produced by workers, and taken by executives.

Republicans stay in power by exploiting workers and perpetuating ignorance. That's one reason they encourage distrust of higher education. Realizing we've been had is the first step.

Class warfare was quietly started by the over-priveledged a long time ago. Pointing out the existence of a class war is not the same as starting one.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 18, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The fact is Obama's tax plan is just a return to the PROVEN system
Bill Clinton used during the prosperity of his term in office.
Bill Clinton left office with huge budget surpluses.

McCain's tax plan is just an extension of the PROVEN failure of the Bush tax system of rewarding the wealthy and corporations at the expense of the middle class. The middle class is now cleaning up his mess.

People like to argue theory and statistics but it's as simple as this: Are you better off now then you were eight years ago?


Posted by: seemstome | October 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

For "vs11":

About your capitalized "FREE reign destroying the country" one might ask:

What "country" leaves +50 million citizens outside of universal health care? Only banana republics & south africe (maybe) have no universal health care.

If you & your other Republicans are proud of hoarding every cent you make (from business with others) & insist on sharing absolutely nothing (i.e., paying no taxes at all) with less fortunate citizens then you could rename the States:

Scroogeland (SL) or The Scrooge States (SS)

Posted by: hchiba | October 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

What Joe said was true and what was true for Joe was different. Obama's tax plan is better for Joe and McCain's was better for what Joe said was true.

Bottom line:

Obama is better for the world we live in and McCain is better in the world we dream about. So will go with Obama now and switch horses when we arrive in the promised land.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 18, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

vs11

Joe the plumber lied about being an undecided and should be exposed for the fraud he is giving plumbers around the country a bad name.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

McCain said. "He's what small business people all over the country are about."

Is McCain so uninformed about his new BFF? He doesn't know that "Joe" isn't a small business person.

Posted by: FauxReal | October 18, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I also heard the news about McCain's cancer returning on WMAX. Man, if is this true???

Posted by: friendlyfire1 | October 18, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse


Did you see how the elites Obama/Biden slammed Joe the plumber. It is laughable

Joe the plumber, Bob the builder, Jill the nurse will end up paying more taxes for their success whereas Obama the politician, Bill Ayers the terrorist "professor", Rev Wright the sick preacher, Farrakhan the racist, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ( where is he these days) , Pelosi/Reid the socialist income distributors will have a FREE reign destroying the country

A McCain Democrat from Massachusetts...

Posted by: vs11 | October 18, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

In Re: wes1155, bashuzi:

Well, quick search gave e.g.: Mr. Krugman

"The Census Bureau has tracked the economic fortunes of affluent, middle-class and poor American families for six decades. According to my analysis, these tabulations reveal a wide partisan disparity in income growth. The real incomes of middle-class families grew more than twice as fast under Democratic presidents as they did under Republican presidents. Even more remarkable, the real incomes of working-poor families (at the 20th percentile of the income distribution) grew six times as fast when Democrats held the White House. Only the incomes of affluent families were relatively impervious to partisan politics, growing robustly under Democrats and Republicans alike."

From: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/magazine/27wwln-idealab-t.html

Or a graph of annual growth rates:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/29/look-whos-talking-2/

The was another nice one, either on wapo.com or the NYTimes online. Cannot find it right now :(

Posted by: om4n | October 18, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

WOW. . . . I JUST HEARD ON THE NEWS THAT THE McCAIN CAMP IS HIDING THAT McCAIN'S CANCER HAS RETURNED........ HOW WILL THIS AFFECT THE ELECTION WITH PALIM POSSIBLY SITTING THE THE WING AND A HEATBEAT AWAY FROM THE PRESIDENCY.

Posted by: friendlyfire1 | October 18, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse


IF PALIN IS SO QUALIFIED...

Then why didn't she run for president?

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 18, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

bashuzi,

With all due respect, facts are a wonderful things, but without citing the source or sources, they are useless.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 18, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Let’s argue with facts. Based on from end of WWII to present:

The US economy has grown on average 2.8% under Republican administrations, versus 4.4% under Democrats per year. Advantage: Democrats by 1.7%.

The stock market (S&P500 index) has grown on average 6.6% per year under Republican, versus 11% per year under Democrats. Advantage: Democrats by 4.4%.

The economy has added 89K jobs per month under Republican administrations, versus 182K jobs per month under Democrats. Advantage: Democrats by 93K.

The average unemployment rate has been 5.9% under Republican administrations, versus 5.1% under Democrats per year. Advantage: Democrats 0.8%.

Folks, ignore focus-group words such as liberal, conservative, socialism, free market that mean completely different things to different people, and vote based on facts. The facts are that, if you want better economy, more jobs, better investment returns, vote Democrats. If you want slower economy, less jobs created, and lower investment returns, vote Republicans.

Posted by: bashuzi | October 18, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Forget the character attacks, however deserved or not. Let’s deal with the actual issue that was raised. Here’s a relevant excerpt from the conservative Wall Street Journal’s article of OCTOBER 17, 2008, 'As Joe the Plumber Grows Famous, the Politics Get Murkier':

"To reach a level that would be affected by Sen. Obama’s proposed tax increase, Mr. Smither said, a mom-and-pop plumbing company like Newell would have to clear $5 million in annual sales. [Joe’s company actually reports only $100,000 in sales.]

Even if Mr. Wurzelbacher reaped taxable income from his business of $280,000 a
year, he'd pay only about $900 more a year in taxes under Sen. Obama's plan, which
would raise the tax rate on the income between $250,000 and $280,000 to 36%
from 33%.

[...]

If Mr. Wurzelbacher earns the wages of a typical Ohio plumber, $40,600, and holds a $90,000 mortgage, he would see a TAX CUT (emphasis added) under Sen. Obama's plan of more than $1,000, compared with no tax reduction under Sen. McCain's.

If he succeeds in buying the plumbing business where he works, he could see even more tax benefits, including Sen. Obama's proposed elimination of capital-gains taxes for small-business investment, a 50% tax credit to purchase health insurance for employees and a $3,000 tax credit for every new hire over the next two years."

Other issues and ‘things we wish were true’ aside, better to acknowledge facts and deal with them objectively.

Posted by: UnaffiliatedIndie | October 18, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

NYPOST: October 17, 2008 --

THOUGH he's battling GOP accusations that he's an Ivy League elitist, Barack Obama has a lifestyle of the rich and famous, like TV show host Robin Leach , who always signed off, 'Champagne wishes and caviar dreams!' While he was at a meeting at the Waldorf-Astoria at 4 p.m. Wednesday, Michelle Obama called room service and ordered lobster hors d'oeuvres, two whole steamed lobsters, Iranian caviar and champagne...

Hey Camp Obama-
Some of your $5 donations to Obama and the Palestinians $1000
donations went to Caviar and Champagne on Obama's room service tab at the Waldorf Astoria last night....I hope he saved some to give to ACORN to use in Ohio to bribe more young "voters" to register 72 times!

Posted by: thecannula | October 18, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe Sarah Palin called certain parts of the country UnAmerican. Look at the words she used. Pro American, Real Americans, and Best of America. What kind of Right Wing nut is Sarah Palin to be running for VP and insulting the same folks she wants to vote for her. I guess its only Obama supporters or anybody who doesn't support their robo calls and low road campaign tactics. I think the media is taking this too lightly. Sarah Palin during a fund raiser said that only certain parts of the country are patriotic and real Americans and she's running to be VP and proberly president. Thats very alarming and I think she needs to explain exactly which part of America does she think is UnAmerican or less patriotic. This is starting to become a narrative. On Chris Mathews today congresswoman Michelle Bockwman said that congress should be integregated on who's American and anti-American. Now Sarah Palin is stating that only certain parts of America are Pro America. This follows 3 weeks of attacks from the Mccain/Palin campaign that questioned Obama's patriotism. The republicans and Mccain/Palin campaign should be questioned about their patriotism its the Republican party that has made the economy worst with their deregulation and their Right Wing policies for the rich. Its the Republican Party that has us in 2 wars thats costing us Billions a month. How patriotic is the Republican Pary when the leader of their Party is leaving the country with 2 wars with no resolution, 11 trillion in debt, and a economy in turmoil? Their the ones if anybody who's patriotism should be in quesion. I think if Mccain/Palin were in the White House the country would be worst with their radical Right Wing beliefs and their decisive nature. KEEP MCCAIN/PALIN OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. WHY HASN'T THE MEDIA ASK MCCAIN ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH GORDON LIDEY? IT TOOK DAVID LETTERMAN A NIGHT SHOW COMEDIAN TO GIVE MCCAIN A REAL INTERVIEW. THE MOST EFFECTIVE INTERVIEW MCCAIN HAS HAD THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN.

Posted by: amosdefnails | October 18, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

thecanulla spewed: "pray tell me how you "CUT" the bottom 30% who currently pay NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX under your friend and mine, George W Bush?"

Give'em a fricken loan to buy their bosses plumbing business. That way EVERYONE can make $250K/yr. -notoriousflavio
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Hey "Nosfaratu"-

The Wizard gave the Scarecrow a diploma instead of a brain - I see you got a BOLD font key!
You go make the money to hand out 250k loans and let me know how it works out for ya-
I'm going to lay off a few workers and toil in my Rezko Memorial Side Yard garden, in order to cut both my outlay and my hours at work instead of giving my hard earned cash to Obama to fund ACORN and AYERS related education programs!


Posted by: thecannula | October 18, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

It's not just media attention -- left wing bloggers are going bonkers too -- as long as it stays legal, I don't feel sorry for him either.

Posted by: JakeD | October 18, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

wes1155:

Do YOU think Joe was a "plant"?

Posted by: JakeD

--------------------------------

No, I don't think so, but I do think he is capitalizing on his instant (half) stardom. He sure doesn't seem to have been shying away from the media attention.

I don't feel in any way sorry for him either. My father raised four kinds on his own, worked two jobs after he sold his general store and gas station so his children could have what he couldn't growing up in the Depression. My father would have supported Obama's tax plan, but then as I mentioned before, my father was a WWII Purple Heart recipient and thought McCain was always playing his POW when it really didn't mean anything as far as being qualified to be president. How does being a POW make you any more fit to be Commander in Chief? All it means in McCain's case is he got shot down. My dad just felt he played it too much.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 17, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Joe the Pseudo-Plumber (and Pseudo-Joe)

To make an appearance with McCain? How fitting. They could share their pipe-dreams for the future together.

How romantic.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

wes1155:

Do YOU think Joe was a "plant"?

Posted by: JakeD | October 17, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

MILLER123:

He is an apprentice plumber.

Posted by: JakeD | October 17, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

listen joe the plumber well never come close to making 250,000 because he is lazy.
If you want to be a license plumber than you should first become an apprentist. Than you should join the union because its good contacts. Most of all you should keep a good credit rating which means joe you need to pay your back taxes.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 17, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

SOCIALISM BUSH started it! McCain voted for it.

HERE's an idea

Let's give tax cuts to the rich, and let the wealth TRICKLE-DOWN!

HEY! It worked for the past 8 years!


Trickle-Down = Tinkled-On

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

IF PALIN IS SO QUALIFIED...

Then why didn't she run for president?

OBAMA
He ain't perfect.
But he ain't republican
And that's all that counts.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Let's give Joe the benefit of the doubt - he was playing loose with the facts because he wanted to make a point. So let's say he actually is a small business owner, and let's say that he does make $280K per year. Let's say that $280K is his taxable income. Because Joe would file his return as a single individual (he's a single dad after all) his tax under the current law would be $78,150.00. Under Obama’s plan, it would jump to $79,050.00 - an increase of $900.00.
Now lets take Joe the Working Stiff. He puts in as many hours as Joe the Plumber but he doesn't make nearly as much - his taxable income is $85,700.00 As a single dad (another one of those), his tax under the current law would be $16,050.00. Under Obama's plan Joe W's tax would not increase.
Now let's make the assumption that Joe W. spends $60K each year to support his family and give them the necessities. His living expenses would total 95.55% of his available income.
Now let's look at Joe P. He's living large because he's a small business owner and it costs him $120K to provide his family with the necessities. His living expenses would total 59.45% of his available income. And it would jump all the way up to 59.72% under Obama's plan.
Do I feel sorry for Joe P? No I don't.
Should the additional $900.00 in tax stifle his drive to improve his lot? Well I can't speak for Joe but it wouldn't make a bit of difference to me - and probably not to Joe W. either. My guess we'd probably both trade places with Joe P in a heartbeat.
I think this whole affair is a tempest in a tea pot and before we get all exercised over the fact that Obama is going to turn our country into a socialist state because he wants to "share the wealth", we ought to consider how much money has just been doled out to the fat cats on wall street. Socialism is alive and well in America, it's just that we working stiffs aren't the beneficiaries.

Posted by: grink46 | October 17, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICA'S ECONOMIC TROUBLES! McCain in April 08 declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and economic adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, is back with the McCain campaign full time again.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay. McCain doesn't understand our tanking economy because it doesn't affect him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FD_M2BEl64

*The $100 Million Man*
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.

*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.

*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
While John McCain played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA

Posted by: DrainYou | October 17, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain sure seems to have difficulty separating fact from fiction. Kind of like his claiming Palin SOLD the jet on eBay rather than her saying she PUT it on eBay.

So let's see, as others have mentioned, McCain uses "Joe the plumber" as a surrogate and shines the spotlight on him, but it is Obama's fault because once McCain outs him the media start checking up on him. Mind you, it doesn't matter "Joe" seems to be cultivating the attention.

Oh, then let's see..."Joe the Plumber" doesn't own the business, isn't a licensed plumber and it's a two man operation which when if you actually figured the taxes according to Obama's plan, more than likely wouldn't face a tax increase anyway. In fact, "Joe" and his boss would in all likelihood get their taxes cut. Hmm, what am I missing here.

And let us not forget the quote of Obama's was of course, taken out of context. But hey, what do the facts have to do with anything.

Looks like desperation, sounds like desperation and smells like desperation. And from the smell of it, it stinks.

Maybe McCain will pay Joe's back taxes for him.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 17, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Why is the media trying to destroy Joe the plumber? Because he asked The One a question? HOW DARE HE!!!!!!! Shouldn't the media be focusing on Obama the socialist?

Posted by: ForTheFamily2006
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You're so dramatic. If McCain hadn't mentioned the guy repeatedly during the debate, he would not be in the media spotlight. Why don't you ask McCain why he felt it was necessary to use someone for political purposes.

Posted by: smc91 | October 17, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

IT SEEMS OBVIOUS THAT 'JOE THE PLUMBER' WAS A PLANT.

ARE THOSE ANGRY CROWD AGITATORS AT MCCAIN-PALIN RALLIES ALSO PLANTS?

AND FROM WHOSE RANKS ARE THEY RECRUITED?


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 17, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

IF PALIN IS SO QUALIFIED

Then why didn't she run for president?

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Joe the plumber isn't a small business owner. He is an employee of a man who owns a plumbing company. His salary is no where near 250 thousand dollars a year. The company he works for makes 100 thousand a year. Like 95 percent of the small business companies it would not see a tax increase under Obama's plan. In fact under Obama's plan Joe might actually be able to save more money so that one day he can buy the company.

Posted by: wlw100 | October 17, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Grow a brain. Stop watching FOX.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

MarkInOuterSpace

Dude(tte), grow a brain. $38M is not a "SMALL BUSINESS"

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

MarkInOuterSpace

Spread the Wealth....dude(tte), we've just been shafted up the kazoo by Wall St and you are worried about the rich? The rich now own a greater percentage of wealth in the country than ever before

TRICKLE-DOWN is more like TINKLED-ON

Comeback to earth.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Remember, he's only three inches tall and lives in a cigar box under McCain's bed.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | October 17, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Roto Rooter's aftertax segment earnings last year was $38.9 million. Obama wants to spread that wealth around, right?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 17, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

IF PALIN IS SO QUALIFIED

Then why didn't she run for president?

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Democrats steal an election?

Well, I guess one good turn deserves the other.

Well, I guess it's our turn.

Well, I guess now you'll know how it feels

Well, I guess we'll still be down by one.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats use of Acorn to steal the election and their smear of Joe the Plumber is taken right out of the Nazi playbook. Hitler should be proud.

Posted by: DL13 | October 17, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

joe the plumber helped obama define his socialist economic policy .. but obama has much more going on than 'spreading the wealth around' just in america. last summer senator obama introduced the 'the global poverty act' to congress, which has been passed in the house and currently awaits approval in the senate. the global poverty act is a tax of 0.7% of the american gdp (gross domestic product), to be given to the united nations and distributed to third world countries in an attempt to eradicate 50% of the world's poverty. virtually no one knows about this, and yet it will cost americans 845 billion dollars over the next 13 years. what kind of insane agenda for our economy is obama working on? (let it be noted this has nothing to do with the recent 700+ billion dollar subprime bailout .. these are two totally separate activities.)

topics in this easy read include joe the plumber, the debate, socialism and finally the the global poverty act, which the heritage foundation calls "superfluous, misguided, and dangerous". check it out here:

http://make-informed-decisions.blogspot.com/2008/10/joe-plumber-helps-obama-define.html

Posted by: guesswhosreadytolead | October 17, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

MarkInOuterspace

Head under the sink plumbers don't make $250,000/yr. THERE MAYBE A HANDFULL

BUT YOU DON'T CHANGE TAX POLICY FOR A HANDFULL well Republicans do

IF YOU EVER DID ANY CONTRACT WORK YOURSELF, YOU'D KNOW THAT!


Trickle-down feels more like Tinkled-On

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

IF PALIN IS SO QUALIFIED

Then why didn't she run for president?

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

You Kos Kids/DU types are cracking me up. So let me get this straight: asking any questions about anything to the Messiah is off limits, right? How dare a redneck plumber question The One? How dare a redneck governor run for high office, despite the fact that she's more qualified than many of the men who've run (and won) not only the VP slot, but the Presidency! Middle America is supposed to just shut up, sit down, and listen to our betters, right, WAPO? You'll see on Nov. 4.

Posted by: convert | October 17, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

thenotoriousflavio didn't say "No real, head under the sink, plumber makes $250,000 per year." You elitists really don't think there's even ONE hard-working plumber in this country who has built up his business over the years, employing multiple American citizens and growing this economy, who still goes out on calls himself? Not ONE? Is that how silly your argument has become?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 17, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama wasn't making fun of Joe, he was making fun of McCain's claim that Joe, or any other plumber, nets $250,000.00 per year. Maybe the president of Roto-Rooter makes that, but try and find any real, head under the sink, plumber who makes that. That is why McCain is a joke and his stunts like this are a joke, they have no relationship with reality.

Posted by: dcwsano | October 17, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"You better be careful who's considered rich," McCain said, in an apparent warning to Obama. "I don't think Joe the Plumber thinks he is."


What goes unsaid here is that Joe thinks Obama thinks Joe is rich. And Obama, by his response, does think Joe is rich.

How this resonates with the reader/commenter is by whether the commenter thinks Joe is rich.

Personally, I don't, but I know Joe wants to be, and he doesn't want any Robin Hood standing on the path in front of him demanding it all.

Posted by: unclesmrgol | October 17, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Its unbelievable. Here is McCain, still pushing the issue after the media exposed Joe the plumber as a fraud and a con. Desperate act of a candidate facing a certain defeat? Senator McCain. Please try to lose gracefully and at least retain your dignity or whatever is left of it.

Posted by: nagamas1 | October 17, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain should apologize to Joe. He brought him into the debate knowing that Joe was confused as to who would pay more taxes under Obama's plan. McCain has made Joe into a media target, not Obama. It was a cheap political stunt at Joe's expense.

Posted by: dcwsano | October 17, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

The last presidential debate was memorable because of the injection of Joe the Plumber into the campaign. Sen. Obama has made the critical mistake of engaging one of the Ohio voters into a discussion about his tax plan. Apparently, as a prospective small business owner who could make over $250K Joe the Plumber would have to pay higher taxes under Sen. Obama’s plan. Sen. Obama responded that he should “share the wealth” with others. Joe the Plumber commented later on that it is against the American Dream and stinks of socialism. Joe the Plumber has just defeated Sen. Obama’s carefully crafted campaign. This is enough for me. I do not support socialism in America either.

Posted by: Wiel | October 17, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

thenotoriousflavio, did you see the YouTube clip of Obama making fun of Joe (more importantly, any "plumber" making over $250,000 per year)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSHqxosjyLY

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 17, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

According to the current owner of the business, which is properly licensed, Joe is an apprentice plumber. You've got something against honest, hard work?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 17, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

PALIN/JOE THE PLUMBER 2012

Posted by: Glimpy | October 17, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

So, does this mean that Obama's middle name is fair game now?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 17, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Joe says,

"I'm not saying who I'm voting for. That's between me and the button"

Oh no! I can't take the suspense. WHO do YOU think he's voting for.

PUH-LEASE

Can YOU say BLOVIATE.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

It's JOE the PSEUDO-PLUMBER

or is it SAM the Pseudo-plumber.

or is it Joe, I have a PIPE-DREAM (pun fully intended)

Isn't plumbing without a license kind like working without a green card?

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 17, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Given what Joe likely makes, the irony is if Obama wins, he will get a bigger tax cut, better health insurance, and it will be easier for his son to go to college.

McCain's choice of Palin is reason alone to vote for Obama. I never thought I'd see a pick worse than Quayle. What an incredibly irresponsible decision, made all the more worrisome by the fact McCain is 72 years old, and has had the most dangerous form of skin cancer.

Posted by: george25 | October 17, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama's mask is slipping. He wants Joe the Plumber destroyed by the media because he dared to ask Our Dear leader Obama a question, and now he must be silenced. Scary stuff, did you ever think this would happen in America?

All hail the Obama Thugocracy.

Posted by: ForTheFamily2006 | October 17, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

ForTheFamily2006, did you see the YouTube clip of Obama making fun of Joe (more importantly, any "plumber" making over $250,000 per year)?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 17, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

If real journalism was practiced today, y'all would know that Newll, the owner of the business, is licensed, and that his apprentice, Joe, has 5 years to get his license, so he is NOT operating illegally, YET the city of Toledo is going to try to stop him from working? Thug unions are going after him?

So let's see, a citizen asks a question, is NOT doing anything illegal, and the govt tries to punish him. That's a chilling effect on free speech - I thought this was USA, not Korea.

And about his taxes, STFU, so what, so he has a back tax bill, so do Obama advisors, so do a lot of people, that is not a criminal offense.

The REAL story is this: Someone DARED to ask Obama a question, so the media is invading the questioner's personal life and trying to tear him apart.

Does Obama care about the little guy? Has Obama said "Hey, back off this guy, people are free to question their politicians, and SHOULD." NO - HE DOES NOT - HE WANTS TO SILENCE ALL CRITICS and SLAP DOWN anyone who DARES to question him. The Obama Thugocracy is coming to Washington.

Besides, the real story is not Joe the Plumber, it's what Obama SAID - he SAID he wants to "spread the wealth around" NOT let people keep what little they get to keep now, but keep LESS by having the govt take more.

All Joe did was ASK A QUESTION.

Now let me ask one:

Why is the media trying to destroy Joe the plumber? Because he asked The One a question? HOW DARE HE!!!!!!! Shouldn't the media be focusing on Obama the socialist?

Watch out America...once we lose free speech, we will lose all our freedoms shortly thereafter.

Posted by: ForTheFamily2006 | October 17, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama is "purportedly" turning on Joe? This is getting surreal. Here's Obama making fun of him (and any other "plumber" making over $250,000):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSHqxosjyLY

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 17, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see that "Swing Vote" movie with Kevin Costner?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 17, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Joe the Plumber" is just another McCain campaign stunt, the guy's a rightwing plant who has now been outed as a Liar.


Joe The "Plumber" admits: Obama's Plan Will Cut My Taxes


Here's how pathetic McCain's "Joe The Plumber" gambit is: despite the fact that Joe is a raving right-wing loon who thinks McCain is too far to the left:
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/16/MNQ013J6JV.DTL&type=politics
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"Joe" even admits that Barack Obama's tax cut plan will lower his taxes.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F6iVaU1TOY
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Watch as "Joe" (reluctantly) rebuts McCain's lies in this mock mini-debate:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aejhxaNzMKM
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 17, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I find it very interesting that most of the pro McCain supporters miss the the very salient point:TO PAY MORE TAX YOU MUST EARN MORE MONEY. broedd2003
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Right genius, so after I have covered my nut, I'm going home and playing with my kids rather than killing myself so Obama can distribute my hard earned cash to ACORN and Radical Education Programs, like the one he supported with Ayres...I'll probably lay off 1/3rd of my employees- let Obama employ them, like FDR did in the last Depression....note I didn't call it the GREAT Depression- that one's coming soon to you and Obama- Hey, did you see the room service bill for Barack and Michelle at the Waldorf last night? Caviar and Champagne all the way!

Posted by: thecannula | October 17, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

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