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McCain Keeps Up the Attack in Ohio

By Michael D. Shear
STRONGSVILLE, Ohio -- Sen. John McCain mocked his rival as a lying politician, saying Sen. Barack Obama misrepresents his own record even as he lectures McCain for not telling the truth.

"I don't need lessons about telling the truth to the American people," McCain declared. "If I ever do need any improvement in that regard, I probably wouldn't seek advice from a Chicago politician."

McCain fed off the feisty crowd of several thousand, packed into the senior center recreation center here. Thousands more listened via speakers outside as the Republican nominee took shot after shot.

He railed against Obama on the collapse of the housing market, accusing him of "abetting" corruption in Congress that made the problem worse.

He accused Obama of having said that subprime loans "were good," a gross exaggeration of Obama's comments. And he used his strongest language yet to condemn Obama's treatment of the failures at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"He was dead silent. Zip. Zero Nada," McCain said. "His Democratic allies in Congress opposed every effort to rein them in. There's absolutely nothing in his record to suggest he did anything."

By Web Politics Editor  |  October 8, 2008; 6:55 PM ET
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McCain calling someone else a liar. That's about as ludicrous as you can get. he must be running the campaign himself now, not even Rove would be this stupid...I think.
Is McCain really so schizoid that he thinks rational people believe him?
I know there's alot of right wing nuts who want a pure one party system in America, but you'd have to be crazy to believe this guy. He changes the topic day today, makes wild accusations and can barely contain himself. Good Lord, what's happening to this country?

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 10, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

"An investigation into Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of her public safety commissioner can proceed, Alaska's Supreme Court ruled Thursday, clearing the way for a Friday report to the state Legislature on the issue.
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has denied wrongdoing in the July departure of her public safety commissioner.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has denied wrongdoing in the July departure of her public safety commissioner.

Allies of Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, had sued to halt the Legislature-initiated investigation, saying the investigation is an attempt by Democrats to sabotage the GOP ticket.

The justices unanimously upheld an Anchorage judge's ruling last week that dismissed the Republican lawsuit and upheld subpoenas for top Palin associates."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/palin.investigation/index.html

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 9, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

For the hate-montering, racist baiting campaign of Palin/McCain:
Shame on you!
"At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols." Aldous Huxley

Posted by: USAfuture | October 9, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

What kind of Leader would actually stand up before a crowd of people and invoke anger and hatred towards another opponent, even to the point of riot and does nothing to calm the crowd? Has Mccain lost his integrity? This is the one who said he would run an honorable campaign. What happened?
For the last week John Mccain and Sarah Palin have been giving stump speeches where they have tried to discredit Obama and provoke crowds to anger. Some people in the crowd shouting out words like traitor, terrorist, ect... One man even shouted out kill him. John Mccain and Sarah Palin said nothing nor did they do anything to calm the crowd. They continued to feed negativity to the crowd, as the crowd shouted obscenities about Obama. Is this what our Leaders do, incite riots? We are talking about a U.S Senator and a U.S. Governor, who could very well be the next President and Vice President of the United States. Yet they are rallying people to the point of riots.

Is this what America has been reduced to? Is not America considered to be Ambassadors of peace? I wonder what other nations think of us when they see this kind of behavior in the news? As an American I am completely embarrassed.

Posted by: Tippy1 | October 9, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Odinga is Obama's supposed cousin. He's seen here campaigning for Odinga in Kenya (possibly on OUR tax dollars)Was what you see here encouraged by Obama? Is this why James Carville warned of a terrible thing happening here in America if Obama loses?
copy and paste to view this shocking video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ

Posted by: LadySmth | October 9, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

copy and paste to view this shocking video

Odinga is Obama's (supposed) cousin. He's seen here campaigning for Odinga in Kenya (possibly on OUR tax dollars).Was what you see here encouraged by Obama? Is this why James Carville warned of a terrible thing happening here in America if Obama loses?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ

Posted by: LadySmth | October 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

You cannot tell me Obama did not know Ayers past when he was willing to go to his house to start his state senator campaign.

You cannot tell me Obama did not know Rezko had a controversial history when he befriended him and took over 200,000 dollars in campaign donations.

Why did he join Wright's church? Because he wanted his foot in South Chicago politics.

Obama is just your typical politician who will be friends with anyone who will help his political career.

Posted by: ca67klein | October 9, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"...my fellow prisoners"

McCaint Rally Wednesday in Pennsylvania...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYFm5kK4f1k&NR=1

I think his VP "nurse" gave him too many of Cindy's perscription meds.....

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 9, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

seemstome:

There are two things that concern ME about this election as well:

1. Democrats unmatched willingness to stuff the ballot box via illegal voter registrations and buying votes, especially in my home state of Ohio. The impact of this is sure to be far greater in skewing on honest election than any of your imagined "voter machine" issues.

2. People being whipped into a love-fest for Obama, but never actually listening to and reading what he plans to do. I know details don't matter to Obama followers, so I won't bother. My concern is that folks like yourself will just feel blissful in your ignorance, and buy promises that can't be fulfilled.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

dpc2003:
"[McCain/Palin] are playing to at best 35% of the electorate."

Obama has been actively campaigning on an agenda of socialism. What % of our electorate do you suppose comprise the socialist audience?

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Hit the 'back' button a couple times on your browser. See that picture of a grinning Obama carrying stacks of paper on the Post's main political page?

Would this happen to be a picture of Obama in 1992, when he worked for ACORN, submitting thousands and thousands of forged voter registrations to the Cook County board of elections?

Just wondered....

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

McCain is now truly the...OLD MAN YELLING AT CLOUDS!

Obama has thrown down the gauntlet at McCain by saying "McCain didn't the courage to talk about Ayers in my face!" By the final debate, McCain will go completely negative on Obama, talking about Ayers, Wright, and ACORN on debate night. McCain's rantings will completely turn off Independents/Undecided voters while Obama focuses on the economy and Iraq/Afghanistan during the final debate.

GAME. SET. MATCH...to Obama!

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 9, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

There are two lying politicians out there.

John SIDNEY Mc Cain
Sarah LOUISE Palin

End of discussion

Posted by: NotBubba | October 9, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I just don't know how John McCain and Sarah Palin can ever recover from this type of behavior. For McCain, well this is his last shot at the Presidency: guess he is desperate enough that he's willing dishonor himself in pursuit of the White House.

But Palin... yeah it's her job. It's one thing to behave this way and win (with a little help from the Supreme Court), but it's another to do this and lose.

Which they are going to do: lose. All this incitement, this vitriol, the stoking of hatred and fear, is turning off Independents as well as alienating Democrats. They're playing to at best 35% of the electorate. Perhaps they hope to be able to disenfranchise enough voters in key states to win the election.

Suppose they do: then what? What kind of bipartisan environment is this campaign going to create? The guy can't get Republicans in the House to vote his way, and does anyone seriously think after this that Democrats will be receptive to his ideas?

I feel sorry for McCain. He has compromised so many of his positions, even to the extent of opposing his own legislation! Poor, angry, bitter old man.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 9, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Yaaaawn. Good heavens, McCain sounds like something out of the 50's looking for "communists, those others." John doesn't get it. He tells us that only HE can solve every problem we have and that's nuts. Ever hear of prioritizing? He tells us that HE, and some of his less than stellar stooges are the only real patriots. Sure, John, so my military service is suspect because I'm a Democrat? He tells us only HE knows how to catch Bin Laden. So John are you helping the terrorists by keeping this secret from the current administration all these years or trying to blackmail us into voting for you? Give me a break. The ugliness on display at your rallies and your erratic behavior on every policy tells me one thing. It's John first and not this country. Please retire from the Senate after you lose and go home and contemplate how you destroyed yourself.

Posted by: itsanyoneguess | October 9, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Two things concern me about this election:

1. Republican voting machine manufacturers and their proprietary software. This makes hacking in and changing results very likely. This will be done in battleground states like Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania and,of course, Florida.

2. The likelyhood of the "Bradley Effect"
which, even if it doesn't exist to any great degree, will serve to explain and cover vote fixing.

Posted by: seemstome | October 9, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Obama decided early on that he would run a clean campaign, even if he lost he would do it with dignity and represent for all of Black America and set an example for the world to see.


TKCAL"

The slandering and negative campaigning is being done in equal measures from both sides. Obama has hardly run a dignified campaign against McCain, ridiculing his age and typing skills among other things. If anything, Obama's race has been an advantage to him. A white candidate with such a thin resume would never have reached this far. Through his race, he has avoided any questioning on his record by branding anyone questioning his record as racist.

With the economy tanked and the disastrous misrule of the last 8 years the election should have been over by now but Obama is still unable to close the deal. The Dems lost a golden chance by not having a Hillary - Obama ticker in that order which would have created a landslide and kept the White House for 16 years as Obama with 8 years as Veep would have been perfectly ready to take over the top job.

Before Obama supporters get too excited, remember that Kerry won all debates convincingly and was leading similarly four years ago but look at the end result.

By the way, I am a black person, but would have preferred a more experienced and competent person like Gen Powell to be the first black president.

Posted by: RogerUpton | October 9, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Whenever republicans break any laws it's a mistake. Even worse, they sometimes call it an honest mistake which somehow makes it almost virtuous. Only honest people can make honest mistakes. So when corrupt republicans like "that one" called McCain
who was involved with Keating corruption say they don't need any help with the truth, I say they need all the help they can get.

Posted by: seemstome | October 9, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

There is a video on Politico and Democratic Convention Watch (not an official party web site) interviewing attendees at the Strongsville event.Many describe Obama as a terrorist or muslim. Mc Cain's campaign is running on the empty fumes of hate.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | October 9, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

A sure sign Republicans expect to lose, they suddenly become concerned with issues of disenfranchised voters.

Posted by: zukermand | October 9, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"States’ Actions to Block Voters Appear Illegal"

"Tens of thousands of eligible voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law, according to a review of state records and Social Security data by The New York Times.

The actions do not seem to be coordinated by one party or the other, nor do they appear to be the result of election officials intentionally breaking rules, but are apparently the result of mistakes in the handling of the registrations and voter files as the states tried to comply with a 2002 federal law, intended to overhaul the way elections are run.

Still, because Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, according to state election officials, any heightened screening of new applications may affect their party’s supporters disproportionately. The screening or trimming of voter registration lists in the six states — Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina — could also result in problems at the polls on Election Day: people who have been removed from the rolls are likely to show up only to be challenged by political party officials or election workers, resulting in confusion, long lines and heated tempers."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?hp

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 9, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Republicans systematically eliminating votes.
See democracynow.org.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 9, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

mark777,

You forget McCain had a Freddie mac lobbyist on his campaign.....

Posted by: rharring | October 9, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Alaska Supreme Court peppers Troopergate lawyers with questions

TROOPERGATE: Justices may rule today whether investigation can proceed."

"Opponents of a legislative investigation into Troopergate on Wednesday made a last-ditch appeal to waylay the probe, telling the Alaska Supreme Court the investigation is unconstitutional, unfocused and unfair.

The justices, who weren't shy about questioning lawyers on both sides of the case, said after a 1½-hour hearing they'd take it under advisement.

But they're expected to render a decision sometime today because tomorrow is when the Legislature's independent investigator, Steve Branchflower, is due to deliver his report, which legislators could make public right away."

"Clarkson said he hopes the court will issue an order to not only halt the investigation but to keep the Branchflower report temporarily under wraps.

Clarkson had help from Texas-based Liberty Legal Institute, the legal arm of the Free Market Foundation, which is associated with evangelical leader James Dobson's Focus on the Family, and lists its guiding principles as limited government and promotion of Judeo-Christian values.

Clarkson acknowledged he's also working with, though not receiving payment from, the McCain-Palin campaign.

"Have I talked to them? Sure. Do they tell me what to do? No," he said, adding: "Sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.""

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/550352.html

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 9, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter if you believe in Obama's policies or not, but to continue creating an atmosphere of anger and hatred and your rallies, to the point where your supporters are screaming..."off with his head, "kill him", "treason" etc is un-American and unpatriotic. We are not talking about Charles Manson here, we are talking about the Democratic nominee for the President of the United States !. I am truly outraged that the McCain campaign is inciting this horrible and extremely dangerous situations... God knows we have an increasingly percentage of mental instability amongst Americans and this is the most reckless behavior by the Republican party.

Even if I were not an Obama supporter, I would never vote for someone who would ever engage in such behavior.

Posted by: nerakami | October 9, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Income disparity caused the mortgage crisis. McCain's part of the problem.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 9, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

This is not a new story, its an old story. We heard about Ayers during the primaries and now for a week long. Why? Why are we talking about Ayers? Theres nothing new to the story and if there is Mccain should tell us what. If Mccain doesn't have anything new to the Ayers story, I don't want to hear it. I think the media is doing Mccain an incredible job because they let him get away with Sarah Palin not giving interviews and press conferences. They let the Keating 5 story go by without much scrutiny on Mccains part and that is the story that has more to do with the biggest federal bailout in history and Mccains deregulation philosopy. Just because Mccain wants to talk about anything else but the economy doesn't mean everybody else does. Frankly, the Ayers story is boring.

Posted by: amosdefnails | October 9, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

But the real question is "Who is John McCaint"...

Here is the answer... A spineless, pathetic, coward.....

Could it be because of a McCaint rally on Monday, he asked, "Who is Barack Obama?" and a crowd member yelled out "Kill Him" & "Terrorist" as McCain held that silly smirk on his addled face.

Watch his response on the :14 sec mark...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo

...Why didnt McCaint talk about his running "nurse" peeeuuu Palin?

Neo-cons...please answer why his "pig" with lipstick was not mentioned......

Could it be because of 1200 dollar rape kits that victims pay in Alaska

Could it be because of the Alaskan Independence Party?

Could it be because of the Alaskan Independence Party sympathized with Timothy McVeigh.

Could it be because of AIP Founder Joe Vogel: “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government", “and I won't be buried under their damn flag." (Joe Vogel is buried in Canada.)

Could it be because of Vogels' rantings of ....“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Joe Vogel – Founder.

Could it be because of Dexter Clark, vice chairman of the A.I.P.: refers to the American soldiers in Alaska as "occupying troops."

Could it be because of Michael Hill, a representative of A.I.P., stated on Glen Beck’s program that the goal of the A.I.P. is to dissolve the United States and the Constitution.

Could it be because of a rally in Ft. Myers Monday, a crowd member screamed, "Kill Him" as Sarah laughed and cheered with the crowd.

At the same racist rally a fake skinheaded sherriff waddles to the podium after peeeuuu and calls out Barack Hussein Obama to the crowd to further boos and chants of kill him...on Monday

Could it be because of the reprehensible type of political campaigning is typical of the desperation the Republican Party finds itself in, as their numbers in the polls fall like the stock market...

Could it be because of the Alaskan Drug Enforcement report under Palin proved uneffective...

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/alaska.html

...Or could it be that McCaint forgot who she was...

....Or just that negative campaigning and negative pathetic ad's have a negative effect...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHW-RO1_WN0

"Thanks But No Thanks".... to more lies and hate that bridge America to Nowhere, Alaska

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 9, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

"...my fellow prisoners"
McCaint Rally Wednesday in Pennsylvania...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYFm5kK4f1k&NR=1

take a good look at peeeuuu Palin...no response.....

I guess it went thru her empty skull like wind thru a tunnel......

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 9, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

You can tell a lot about people by the things they say about others. This should be particularly worrisome in the case of Palin, a religious fundamentalist with an Armeggedon wish who keeps making unfounded accusations of terrorism against her opponent. She says Obama has ties to terrorism, but there's only one man in this race who has ever incinerated innocent children while they were sleeping. That man is John McCain.

She points a finger at Obama, while the other three fingers point back to her. That same misguided finger could end up on the button.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 9, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Obama was campaigning in IN yesterday, Biden in FL. That's right Obama was in IN, usually a safely red state.

McPalin were in PA and OH.

It would appear that Palin's request to unleash her Toddy in MI to campaign, has fallen on deaf ears in the McCain camp.

Obama has every state Gore won in 2000 plus NH either solid or leaning his way. That's a total of 264 my friends.

This means McPalin have to run the table in VA, NC, FL, IN, OH, MO, CO and NV.

Obama is within the margin of error or ahead in all of these states. My guess is Obama wins VA, FL, OH and CO and ends up with 300 + on his way to victory.

Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Tarragon writes:

Obama’s biggest problem right now is the train wreck coming his way.

(I agree. Cleaning up the mess Bush has stuck the country with will be no mean feat)


You know what I mean. Yes, you KNOW what I mean. Those deep, dark doubts you have, way, way down inside. You don’t ever talk about it, although you really want to. And it’s grating on you like a splinter in your mind. Isn’t it?


(LOL, put the crack pipe down. This half a$$ attempt at mind control only works in those sci fi flicks from the 50s)


But after you enter the sanctuary of the polling booth, pull that comforting secret curtain around you, standing there pencil poised for that long, long pause, you’ll ask yourself just one more time...

(Early voting is already happening in places like Ohio, where you can register and vote the same day. I've already mailed out my absentee ballot)


And all those poor blinkered, deluded, misguided, media personalities are throwing him under the train - they don’t even see what’s happening.

(On the contrary, the media is covering McPalin's barely veiled race baiting rather closely)


Sad. And there’s nothing Obama can do about it.

(Nothing other then win and then fix Bush's mess)


....Counting on the Bradley effect, my friends, to deny Obama the WH is as deperate as McCain having his wife attack Obama for not "funding" her son who was deployed to Iraq.......


Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

If you want to hear hate speech, mention Palin to a group of Democratic women. It cuts both ways and it is ugly.
http://www.bop-o-rama.com

Posted by: acarponzo | October 9, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Why are Democrats Chris Dodd and Barack Obama #1 and #2 on the Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac donation list?

Fannie and Freddy didn't want to be regulated.

That's why they were in bed with the Democrats -- who consistently opposed all efforts to regulate them.

The Republicans wanted to regulate Fannie and Freddy.

The Democrats did not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

See the Democrats on C-Span in 2004 fighting against efforts to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related

Read the New York Times article from 2003 about the Republicans attempt to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac and the Democrats refusal to do so!

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

This really is a Democrat-created mess!

Clearly, truth is not on the side of king Obama, but empty rhetoric.

Posted by: mark777 | October 9, 2008 5:12 AM | Report abuse

From "fact of the matter"
http://www.need4trth.blogspot.com

See the entire piece at "fact of the matter"

TONIGHT OUR COMPOSITION IS ON PRESS CREATED, THROUGH JOHN MCCAIN'S OWN SCATHING DISHONESTY, PRETENDED YET UNDESERVED HONOR AND HEROIC STATUS...FALSE CLAIMS OF BEING TORTURED INTO GIVING UP EVIDENCE THAT MAY HAVE CAUSED NATIONAL DAMAGE AS WELL AS TROOPS DEATHS (CONTRADICTED BY THE TESTIMONY OF PEOPLE WHO WORKED AT THE 'HANOI HILTON')....FALSELY CLAIMED, TROOP AND VETERAN SUPPORT.... NONE OF THESE CLAIMS SUPPORTED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OR VOTING RECORD OF JOHN SYDNEY MCCAIN.... AND THE POINTING OF THE HYPOCRITICAL ACCUSATORY FINGER WHILE CHOKING ON THE SMOKE OF YOUR BURNING FACADE.

"And the Grand Facade, so soon shall burn..." Peter Gabrial

FLAGRANT:

shockingly noticeable or evident; obvious; glaring: a flagrant error, notorious ;scandalous: a flagrant crime; a flagrant offender., Archaic. blazing, burning, or glowing.

HYPOCRISY:

a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess, a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude, an act or instance of hypocrisy.


THE FLAGRANT FINGER POINTING HYPOCRITE, SENATOR JOHN SYDNEY MCCAIN:

John McCain uses what he believes to be the ULTIMATE TRUMP CARD, an undeserved FALSE HERO STATUS and drunken decieved PRESS anointment of "THE MAVERICK". A Reputation that isn't disputed yet, isn't indisputable.

Posted by: need4trth | October 9, 2008 4:16 AM | Report abuse

Serious question here: Why do Republicans always nominate morons for high office? Can any Republican out there please explain this bizarre fixation on dumbness to the rest of America, since we continually are forced to suffer the awful consequences of your obsession?

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 9, 2008 3:30 AM | Report abuse

McCain has based most of his life on his military experience. Read on...

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information from him, which McCain claims he refused to give, providing only his name, rank and serial number, he realized he was in critical shape and called for an officer. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

Regardless of the reasons, the offer to give "military information" in exchange for better treatment was a violation of the military Code of Conduct and Collaboration No. l.

The doctor, according to McCain, said about taking him to the hospital, "It's too late."

At that point, McCain knew he was in big trouble. According to information obtained by the U.S. VETERAN, the flier in desperation invoked the name of his famous father, Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific.

And that was a violation of the Code of Conduct and Collaboration No. 2.

McCain admits that because of the Vietnamese having the knowledge of who his father was, he thus survived because they rushed him to the hospital. The Vietnamese figured that because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

Later, the Vietnamese would erect a monument in Hanoi near the site of his landing in the lake, stone figure of a pilot raising his arms skyward in surrender and referring to their catch McCain, by name, as an "air pirate."

At the hospital his wounds were treated. He readily admits that other U.S. prisoners with similar wounds were left to die, pointing out "There were hardly any amputees among the prisoners who came back because the North Vietnamese just would not give medical treatment to someone who was badly injured. They weren't going to waste their time.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/index.htm

I am old enough to rember, and my husband has the Bonze, Army Accomidation medal...etc...

McCain has led a life of lies! Please please please, don't vote for McCain.


Posted by: gogonzo | October 9, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

orionspap, if you get the least bit educated, I will be happy.
You have drunk the kool aid dude.
John Mccain make believe maverick; not so heroic ship-crasher. Surrendered his pride in Hanoi to stay alive; like anyone would do; but hero? the hero's died there man. Mccain is no hero; no more than any others who were POW.

Mccain's whole life record is one erratic mess of irresponsibility.
See the Rolling Stone cover story.
I wouldnt really care if he werent involved in such a hypocritical campaign. But it is he who is lying and putting the country in danger of his erratic temperment and old aged hobbling as president and choosing Palin is the ultimate "screw you" to the country; just so he can try to win; after losing to the worst pres in history; Bush.
Obama doesn't need a long record; that's what the problem is; we need change.
You may not trust him;
yet enough do, to get him elected fairly.
I am from Hawaii; and know he is for real.
The people in Chicago know he is for real.
- the majority of this country know he is for real.
We know all we need to; and for many that he is not like Bush
is the kicker.
As for your projections of fear and hatred; they are projections of your own hangups.

Posted by: ukeman | October 9, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

orionspap posts

McCain's loyalty to this country has never been in question

WRONG!!

9360.3 in reply to 9360.2

Could it be that McCain wants to lose? I wonder...His anger was showing, and holding in that pts anger is/can be a killer.

My SO and I were talking about Viet Nam....or should I say, I listened. The guys were taught how to survive if caught. It included the name, rank, serial number thing, but also try escape, never give in, don't say a word and fight like hell when given any opportunity. We looked at the video of McCain talking to the Vietnamese captors...he was casually smoking a cigarette and obviously stoned out of his mind. He was in pain and wanted the dope and probably did anything for it. So of course, the Vietnamese knew his week spot, pain. And they inflicted it any time the could. The right thing for McCain to do at that time would have been to die like so many other men did..I hate to say it, but he should have been a casualty. Now he is a casualty that is running for president.

Joe sixpack has been watching too much Rambo

Posted by: gogonzo | October 9, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

TxSaint fan, you make a good point, earmarks need regulation and control.

Our war in Iraq (no matter if I think Saddam out of power is a good thing) has cost us nearly 700 billion, and counting. This mistake compared to earmarks represents a proportional outlier. We can not carry on a war against a people, when their own govt stocks $79 billion in the bank. We can not take away farm subsidies and subsidize PRIVATE oil companies.

Palin provides us all as a great example, as she supported the bridge to nowhere. I think both politicians understand spending needs to put under control.

Obama has a strong record of raising money from the bottom up. We definitely need that in communities and to trim what govt spends.

Posted by: TomJeferson | October 9, 2008 1:53 AM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

700 Billion! Try a few trillion. That’s not counting the money they made disappear.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 9, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

The investigation of Sheriff Mike Scott begins.



http://www.cape-coral-daily-breeze.com/news/articles.asp?articleID=21871

When I watched his preformance while wearing an official City Uniform with the City patch on his sleve made me call foul!! He had no business wearing that uniform of he was on the tax payer clock. IMO, he needs to be investigated by the feds.

Now, lets talk about the psychological implications of Sheriff Scott's uniformed apperance..
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_3_70/ai_73845616

The crisp uniform of the police officer conveys power and authority. When officers put on their uniforms, citizens believe that they embody stereotypes about all police officers. Research has suggested that clothing has a powerful impact on how people perceive each other. The police officer's uniform has a profound psychological impact on others, and even slight alterations to the style of the uniform may change how citizens perceive them.

Nuff said...

Posted by: gogonzo | October 9, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

That fat lady hasn't done anything. The samething happened four years ago with Kerry. The polls and the media as well were as biased then as they are now.

Look at the records.. wait does Obama even have one? All I hear is rhetoric and see a nice smile.

McCain's loyalty to this country has never been in question, while as Obama was taught the Koran and is friends with domestic terrorists. That doesn't make much sense to me.

In the end you have someone with no experience and very sketchy associates. And come Nov.4 when again all the exit polls and media outlets are left wondering how McCain won I'll be smiling from ear to ear again.

Posted by: orionspap | October 9, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

TxSaint fan, you make a good point, earmarks need regulation and control.

Our war in Iraq (no matter if I think Saddam out of power is a good thing) has cost us nearly 700 billion, and counting. This mistake compared to earmarks represents a proportional outlier. We can not carry on a war against a people, when their own govt stocks $79 billion in the bank. We can not take away farm subsidies and subsidize PRIVATE oil companies.

Palin provides us all as a great example, as she supported the bridge to nowhere. I think both politicians understand spending needs to put under control.

Obama has a strong record of raising money from the bottom up. We definitely need that in communities and to trim what govt spends.

Posted by: TomJeferson | October 9, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Change2now makes a great point about our leaders. Despite either choice, America has become a more militaristic society in the face of attacks against her.

From an outside perspective, its common foreign knowledge to look at US (despite her past works) as a force of warmongering around the world, aside from the best of intentions.

I wonder if Americans that have not traveled outside the nation's border even understand how the cards are stacked abroad against our good will.

Posted by: TomJeferson | October 9, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

To plaza04433 and TomJx...

It's not "insulting all of Chicago" or "trashing science" to suggest that if the Adler Museum needs $3M to refurbish an exhibit or a classroom (or whatever), it should be able to raise it in the Chicago community and not go to the Federal Government for tax dollars.

This is the primary reason why we are in the trouble we're in - this is not free money! Democrats and Republicans alike in Congress are buying support right and left with millions here, millions there...

Barack Obama said last night that earmarks are "only $19B"...where I come from, that's real money! If these are worthy of US government funding, they should be able to be defended on their own, individually, and Congress should be put on the record for each one of these, individually.

Barack Obama has raised millions of dollars for his presidential campaign - you are asking me to believe he couldn't find some donors in Chicago to raise $3M for the Adler Museum? I'm not buying that.

It has nothing to do with 'insulting Chicago' - I was born there.

It has everything to do with getting the spending of the Federal Government under control.

And, you can take your sleazeball comment and look in the mirror, dude.

Posted by: TxSaintFan | October 9, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

terrago, if you really believe someone is going to change their vote behind a curtain it exhibits your own secret difficulties. Considering you also refer to voting as a using a pencil also draws another question to your post and curiousity how you consider the best means to vote in 21st century.

Posted by: TomJeferson | October 9, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Ok I have a Muslim friend who is by the way a succesfull doctor and a lovely person. My name is Layla, my mother was crazy about that Clepton song. I speak French and I love to eat Eastern food.
So I am a terrorist? :)

Americans do not make our dream, our proud nation of all cultures into revival of Nazism. Not here in America. We always resisted that evil. We should not be discriminating against people becouse of their religion. Put yourself in the shoes of Muslim Americans who are reading your posts. They must be feeling like Jews in Germany before Holocaust. Empathy people and may our Father in Heaven forgive you for yur ignorance and racism.

Posted by: ChangeNow2 | October 9, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Fitting he made a stump speech from the Senior Center, but I shouldn't go there with the race I consider. I am more surprised McCain is not grilled about his involvement as a corrupt Senator involved in the Keating 5. McCain talks about his frustration of action, he's been in senate for 30 years, this isn't his first economic crisis, which he contributes. He really knows how to do nothin'.

I just hope Buckeyes realize this guy is a 90% Bush policy advocate. Not only that, but Palin's rhetoric is no different of a oil man than the same guy that always says "stay the course" aside from factual information.


Posted by: TomJeferson | October 9, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Obama’s biggest problem right now is the train wreck coming his way.

You know what I mean. Yes, you KNOW what I mean. Those deep, dark doubts you have, way, way down inside. You don’t ever talk about it, although you really want to. And it’s grating on you like a splinter in your mind. Isn’t it?

But after you enter the sanctuary of the polling booth, pull that comforting secret curtain around you, standing there pencil poised for that long, long pause, you’ll ask yourself just one more time...

And all those poor blinkered, deluded, misguided, media personalities are throwing him under the train - they don’t even see what’s happening.

Sad. And there’s nothing Obama can do about it.


Posted by: terrago | October 9, 2008 1:23 AM

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Boy you ought to be a poet. That zinger had me quaking in my boots! The only people that are voting for McCain are the ones that don't know what's going on. And that includes you.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 9, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

aamittal:

I WRITE IN CAPS SO EVERYBODY WILL PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!
i DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RELEVANT TO SAY, JUST A BUNCH OF GARBAGE ABOUT OBAMA AND PRAISE FOR MY HERO JOHN McCain!!!

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 9, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

McCain is coming across like a tired confused old man. Him saying "My fellow prisoners..." today is proof he needs to go into the home.

Sarah Palin on the other hand is a dangerous white supremist who needs to be stopped ASAP. She is the female Hitler.

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 9, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

terrago,

Totally weak dude. Your the one who is afraid. Still trying the same fear tactics.
Go ahead and say it...you hate black people. Especially ones that are smarter than you.

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 9, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

terrago

But I already voted for Obama, believe me that was the best feeling in the world.

Posted by: ChangeNow2 | October 9, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

dr718, Obama is a knuckle dragger huh? And your a lowlife racist.

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 9, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

As someone who voted for McCain in the 2000 primary, I realize that his losing was pretty inevitable this year, but it's a shame to see him do it without honor or dignity.

Posted by: light_bearer | October 9, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

solomon14me2

I think you are right.
In the morning Frodo awoke refreshed. He was lying in a bower made by
a living tree with branches laced and drooping to the ground; his bed
was of fern and grass, deep and soft and strangely fragrant. The scent
was almost intoxicating and Frodo was dizzy with light-headedness. He
jumped out and went down.
Sam was sitting in the grass near the edge of the wood quietly giggling
to himself. Pipsqueak was standing studying the sky with open mouthed
awe. There was no sign of the Elves.
"They have left us some fruit and drink, and bread," said Pipsqueak.
"Come and have your breakfast. The bread tastes strange, but
wonderful! I didn't want to leave you any, but Sam thought it might do
you some good." At this the hobbits laughed under their hands at Frodo.

Posted by: ChangeNow2 | October 9, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Obama’s biggest problem right now is the train wreck coming his way.

You know what I mean. Yes, you KNOW what I mean. Those deep, dark doubts you have, way, way down inside. You don’t ever talk about it, although you really want to. And it’s grating on you like a splinter in your mind. Isn’t it?

But after you enter the sanctuary of the polling booth, pull that comforting secret curtain around you, standing there pencil poised for that long, long pause, you’ll ask yourself just one more time...

And all those poor blinkered, deluded, misguided, media personalities are throwing him under the train - they don’t even see what’s happening.

Sad. And there’s nothing Obama can do about it.

Posted by: terrago | October 9, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

"We need to compete in a world maket, and he trashes science. Brilliant"

MCCain/Palin are not just out of ideas, they are against ideas.

Posted by: plaza04433 | October 9, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 9, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

You dem bulbs can spout off all you want.
Knuckle draggin Obama will never see the inside of the White House.
Whatever your polls say...just add about 20% or more to your numbers. Then you'll have the number of people that will be voting McCain but telling everyone they voted Obama.
These are the racist Americans that don't want a black man for president.
All McCain has to do is stay close to win.

Posted by: dr718 | October 9, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Mccain is a the worst weakest ticket since Goldwater.
that's not Obama nor the Dem's fault.
Palin? give me a break... if all the GOP can do is summon their base, and i do mean "base" as in knuckledraggers, after 8 yrs of republican failure, what's that?
I though Rudy and Huckabee were bad, but John Mccain, over the hill, the make believe maverick, wow; the guy with the most baggage.
It's hard to be worse than Bush on all counts, but John Mccain has it in spades.

Posted by: ukeman | October 9, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does anyone else notice that there are some CRAZY people out there with access to a computer and the internet who write long, rambling, nonsensical posts that are fashioned to represent a J.R.R. Tolkien novel?

Posted by: solomon14me2 | October 9, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

"And besides, are you questioning Mccain's judgement?"

"Yes I am. The guy picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. It's indefensible. Plain and simple. End of story. End of debates. End of election.

Posted by: bretb | October 8, 2008 10:22 PM"

'Nuff said! If nothing else is said, the "Palin pick" is a disqualifying factor.

Posted by: solomon14me2 | October 9, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Desperation. The result of making too many bad decisions.
But McCain has a L - O - N - G record of making bad decisions.
Sarah Palin was the nail in this campaign's coffin. The move that made it clear McCain was totally unfit to become President.
The more hate he spews the faster he drops in the polls.

Posted by: norcalworm | October 9, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Everything the WaPo says has to be filtered through the fact that they're little more than an arm of the BHO campaign.

Thus, when Michael Shear refers to a "gross exaggeration of Obama's comments", you know he's not telling the truth.

For that, see BHO's comments here:

voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/mccain_previews_debate_line_of.html

BHO did in fact say those loans were "good"; see my comment at that thread for more details.

Also, when exactly is the WaPo going to get around to discussing that BHO was a member of a socialist party? Yes, that's right, BHO was a member of a party that described themselves as "socialist democratic":

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/008119.html

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | October 9, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: T-Prop | October 9, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

"I don't need lessons about telling the truth to the American people," McCain declared. "If I ever do need any improvement in that regard, I probably wouldn't seek advice from a Chicago politician."...What about David Letterman instead?

Posted by: leeellison | October 9, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Sheriff Mike Scott.

Thank you for supporting John McCain, and speaking at the rally in uniform. That sent a strong signal for obama supporters you will catch hell in the black community November 4th if you decide to vote. If you are black stay back.

You added that 60's flavor, white cop in uniform at a klan rally.

Thanks.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 8, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Interesting, this living,breathing maverick didn't have the balls to issue the insults to Obama's face last night yet he's back at it today, what a guy! He's forfeited any claim to honor and honesty, a sad and diminished man. Lieberman has been pretty silent the past few days, even he must be embarrassed for his friend. And did that vp pick say today, in referencing her insult to Obama's integrity that she knew "who William Ayers is even up north?" If you can believe that drivel, you can believe that she reads te Economist and the new york times too. This things getting wierder by the minute.

Posted by: sls213 | October 8, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

2005 [Victor Davis Hanson]
"HE [OBAMA] SAID THEY HAVE NOT SPOKEN BY PHONE OR EXCHANGED E-MAIL MESSAGES SINCE MR. OBAMA BEGAN SERVING IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE IN JANUARY 2005" (NEW YORK TIMES, 10/3)

WHY IN THE WORLD WAS BARACK OBAMA STILL COMMUNICATING ON THE PHONE OR VIA EMAIL WITH BILL AYERS UP UNTIL 2005 — WHEN IN 2001 AYERS GAVE WIDELY PUBLICIZED INTERVIEWS CLAIMING HE HAD NO REGRETS ABOUT THE BOMBING, INDEED REGRETTED THAT HE HAD NOT DONE ENOUGH, AND DID NOT NECESSARILY HAVE ANY REMORSE EITHER ABOUT HIS WEATHERMEN CAREER?

PONDER THAT: THE POSSIBLE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WELL AFTER 9/11 AND IN THE CLIMATE OF HOURLY WORRY OVER TERRORISM HERE AT HOME, WAS STILL FRIENDLY AND COMMUNICATING WITH AN ASSOCIATE THAT HAD TO ABANDON HIS BOOK TOUR DUE TO POPULAR OUTCRY, AND WAS WIDELY QUOTED AS ABSOLUTELY UNREPENTANT ABOUT HIS TERRORISM. THAT IS A DAMNING INDICTMENT OF HIS JUDGEMENT — AMONG OTHER THINGS — AND IT IS NO "SMEAR" TO RAISE THE ISSUE.

INDEED, THERE IS A DISTURBING PATTERN HERE. OBAMA'S ONCE-CLOSE RADICAL CHICAGO ASSOCIATES ARE NEVER JETTISONED OUT OF PRINCIPLE, BUT ONLY AT THE 11TH-HOUR WHEN THEY BECAME IMPEDIMENTS TO OBAMA'S POLITICAL CAREER. THUS WRIGHT IS DEFENDED THROUGHOUT HIS RACIST RANTINGS, UNTIL HE MAKES THE UNFORTUNATE DECISION OF BRINGING THAT HATRED TO DC'S ELITE NEXUS AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB — AND ONLY THEN IS IMMEDIATELY DROPPED, AS OBAMA RESIGNS FROM TRINITY CHURCH. DITTO AYERS. WHAT MADE OBAMA CEASE COMMUNCIATIONS WITH AYERS WAS NOT THE LATTER'S RADICALISM (INDEED OBAMA FACILITATED IT BY SERVING WITH AYERS TO DISPENSE MILLIONS TO QUESTIONABLE ORGANIZATIONS), NOR EVEN AYERS' BOASTS IN 2001 OF HAVING NO REGRETS ABOUT TRYING TO BLOW UP GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS. INSTEAD, 2005 COINCIDES WITH OBAMA'S ASCENSION TO THE SENATE AND THE PLAN TO BEGIN RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY — AND THUS AYERS, LIKE WRIGHT LATER, BECAME EXPENDABLE. DITTO REZKO, PFLEGER ET AL.
10/08 02:35 PM

Posted by: aamittal | October 8, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

2005 [Victor Davis Hanson]
"HE [OBAMA] SAID THEY HAVE NOT SPOKEN BY PHONE OR EXCHANGED E-MAIL MESSAGES SINCE MR. OBAMA BEGAN SERVING IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE IN JANUARY 2005" (NEW YORK TIMES, 10/3)

WHY IN THE WORLD WAS BARACK OBAMA STILL COMMUNICATING ON THE PHONE OR VIA EMAIL WITH BILL AYERS UP UNTIL 2005 — WHEN IN 2001 AYERS GAVE WIDELY PUBLICIZED INTERVIEWS CLAIMING HE HAD NO REGRETS ABOUT THE BOMBING, INDEED REGRETTED THAT HE HAD NOT DONE ENOUGH, AND DID NOT NECESSARILY HAVE ANY REMORSE EITHER ABOUT HIS WEATHERMEN CAREER?

PONDER THAT: THE POSSIBLE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WELL AFTER 9/11 AND IN THE CLIMATE OF HOURLY WORRY OVER TERRORISM HERE AT HOME, WAS STILL FRIENDLY AND COMMUNICATING WITH AN ASSOCIATE THAT HAD TO ABANDON HIS BOOK TOUR DUE TO POPULAR OUTCRY, AND WAS WIDELY QUOTED AS ABSOLUTELY UNREPENTANT ABOUT HIS TERRORISM. THAT IS A DAMNING INDICTMENT OF HIS JUDGEMENT — AMONG OTHER THINGS — AND IT IS NO "SMEAR" TO RAISE THE ISSUE.

INDEED, THERE IS A DISTURBING PATTERN HERE. OBAMA'S ONCE-CLOSE RADICAL CHICAGO ASSOCIATES ARE NEVER JETTISONED OUT OF PRINCIPLE, BUT ONLY AT THE 11TH-HOUR WHEN THEY BECAME IMPEDIMENTS TO OBAMA'S POLITICAL CAREER. THUS WRIGHT IS DEFENDED THROUGHOUT HIS RACIST RANTINGS, UNTIL HE MAKES THE UNFORTUNATE DECISION OF BRINGING THAT HATRED TO DC'S ELITE NEXUS AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB — AND ONLY THEN IS IMMEDIATELY DROPPED, AS OBAMA RESIGNS FROM TRINITY CHURCH. DITTO AYERS. WHAT MADE OBAMA CEASE COMMUNCIATIONS WITH AYERS WAS NOT THE LATTER'S RADICALISM (INDEED OBAMA FACILITATED IT BY SERVING WITH AYERS TO DISPENSE MILLIONS TO QUESTIONABLE ORGANIZATIONS), NOR EVEN AYERS' BOASTS IN 2001 OF HAVING NO REGRETS ABOUT TRYING TO BLOW UP GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS. INSTEAD, 2005 COINCIDES WITH OBAMA'S ASCENSION TO THE SENATE AND THE PLAN TO BEGIN RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY — AND THUS AYERS, LIKE WRIGHT LATER, BECAME EXPENDABLE. DITTO REZKO, PFLEGER ET AL.
10/08 02:35 PM

Posted by: aamittal | October 8, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

2005 [Victor Davis Hanson]
"HE [OBAMA] SAID THEY HAVE NOT SPOKEN BY PHONE OR EXCHANGED E-MAIL MESSAGES SINCE MR. OBAMA BEGAN SERVING IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE IN JANUARY 2005" (NEW YORK TIMES, 10/3)

WHY IN THE WORLD WAS BARACK OBAMA STILL COMMUNICATING ON THE PHONE OR VIA EMAIL WITH BILL AYERS UP UNTIL 2005 — WHEN IN 2001 AYERS GAVE WIDELY PUBLICIZED INTERVIEWS CLAIMING HE HAD NO REGRETS ABOUT THE BOMBING, INDEED REGRETTED THAT HE HAD NOT DONE ENOUGH, AND DID NOT NECESSARILY HAVE ANY REMORSE EITHER ABOUT HIS WEATHERMEN CAREER?

PONDER THAT: THE POSSIBLE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WELL AFTER 9/11 AND IN THE CLIMATE OF HOURLY WORRY OVER TERRORISM HERE AT HOME, WAS STILL FRIENDLY AND COMMUNICATING WITH AN ASSOCIATE THAT HAD TO ABANDON HIS BOOK TOUR DUE TO POPULAR OUTCRY, AND WAS WIDELY QUOTED AS ABSOLUTELY UNREPENTANT ABOUT HIS TERRORISM. THAT IS A DAMNING INDICTMENT OF HIS JUDGEMENT — AMONG OTHER THINGS — AND IT IS NO "SMEAR" TO RAISE THE ISSUE.

INDEED, THERE IS A DISTURBING PATTERN HERE. OBAMA'S ONCE-CLOSE RADICAL CHICAGO ASSOCIATES ARE NEVER JETTISONED OUT OF PRINCIPLE, BUT ONLY AT THE 11TH-HOUR WHEN THEY BECAME IMPEDIMENTS TO OBAMA'S POLITICAL CAREER. THUS WRIGHT IS DEFENDED THROUGHOUT HIS RACIST RANTINGS, UNTIL HE MAKES THE UNFORTUNATE DECISION OF BRINGING THAT HATRED TO DC'S ELITE NEXUS AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB — AND ONLY THEN IS IMMEDIATELY DROPPED, AS OBAMA RESIGNS FROM TRINITY CHURCH. DITTO AYERS. WHAT MADE OBAMA CEASE COMMUNCIATIONS WITH AYERS WAS NOT THE LATTER'S RADICALISM (INDEED OBAMA FACILITATED IT BY SERVING WITH AYERS TO DISPENSE MILLIONS TO QUESTIONABLE ORGANIZATIONS), NOR EVEN AYERS' BOASTS IN 2001 OF HAVING NO REGRETS ABOUT TRYING TO BLOW UP GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS. INSTEAD, 2005 COINCIDES WITH OBAMA'S ASCENSION TO THE SENATE AND THE PLAN TO BEGIN RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY — AND THUS AYERS, LIKE WRIGHT LATER, BECAME EXPENDABLE. DITTO REZKO, PFLEGER ET AL.
10/08 02:35 PM

Posted by: aamittal | October 8, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain attacks on the wrong points - he offends this writer - I am opposed to the war in Iraq and he is suggesting that I do not support our troops. ...........
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/08/when-we-oppose-an-american-war/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 8, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain can't seem to say anything positive these days - now he's insulting all of Chicago.

Newsflash: everyone here, on behalf of the Adler Planetarium - a respected scientific institution in what he and Cindy doubtlessly call 'fly-over country' - are irritated about him saying we (including our school children) are a waste of time and money. We need to compete in a world maket, and he trashes science. Brilliant. The more I hear him talk, the more I realize he's over the hill.

What a sleazeball.

Posted by: TomJx | October 8, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an angry old man who has shown nothing lately but erratic behavior. As for his choice of Palin -- ignorant trash if I have ever seen one -- it is an absolute disgrace. That alone disqualifies him from ever becoming president.

Posted by: Gatsby1 | October 8, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Not that McCain would ever win Illinois, but does he realize he's offending people when he uses sweeping attacks against all of Chicago? Chicago is a beautiful place, with wonderful people, including many wonderful politicians. McCain's been festering in the DC scene for over two decades.

He is only alienating himself from post-election relationships every time he breaks out his old man anger.

Posted by: bell3 | October 8, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Just a tiny nit:
In the last paragraph, you quote McCain as using the phrase, "reign them in." Assuming you guys transcribed from what he said, rather than from a prepared text, the word should be "reined," instead of "reigned."
Cheers,
Gary McCardell

Posted by: gemccardell | October 8, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain is the "real" law and order candidate, he'll do something about THIS:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 8, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Ouch!

http://www.boppoll.com

McCain needs to win here!

Posted by: acarponzo | October 8, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Real Brother here.

People have to understand that as a White Supremacist John McCain is doing a Hillary. He thinks he's "entitled" to be president because he's White.

Thinking you are Superior because you're White is a hallmark of White Supremacy.

So no wonder McCain is so upset as are his minions.

McCain had the gall to insult the American people by choosing Sarah Palin.

Shame on him,he deserves what he gets.

Obama decided early on that he would run a clean campaign, even if he lost he would do it with dignity and represent for all of Black America and set an example for the world to see.

He's risked and given up so much to do this because he and his Black wife so LOVE this Country. I think Obama expected the Racists and White Supremacists(he could have never anticipated the Black man hating lesbians) to show their hind parts but still he made the sacrafice.

God bless him.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother0003 | October 8, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Palin asks the question - paraphrase -- "Who really is Barack Obama?"

A fair question, but if memory serves well, Barack Obama was ubder scrutiny by the public and the media for at least 4 years now and in particular in the past 18-30 months.

QUESTION:

Who indeed is the real Sarah Palin??

Recognizing that she does not have the depth of scrutiny that Obama, McCain, Biden, Hillary Clinton and the rest of the potential presidential candidates who have/had intense scrutiny for the past 20 months.

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 8, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I do not believe that this is the same man who ran for president in 2000. Talk about the decline of western civilization!

Posted by: ssk9 | October 8, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain long ago commanded respect. Today he just seems like a desperate and angry old man. His condescending tone during the debate, both to the audience and Obama, was a total put-off. I think we need to repair our standing in the world and I just don't see McCain and Palin accomplishing that when so much of their energy is dedicated to attacking fellow Americans and further eroding the "United" part of these United States. When their rallies are filled with shouts of "treason", "kill him", and "terrorist", both McCain and Palin are seen at their utter worst by not only inciting this type of behavior but in failing to correct it and bring civility back to the table.

Posted by: Dogpound | October 8, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a poor imitation of Bob Dole. At least Dole could recognize when he was losing.

Posted by: DemoDevil | October 8, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"And besides, are you questioning Mccain's judgement?"

Yes I am. The guy picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. It's indefensible. Plain and simple. End of story. End of debates. End of election.

Posted by: bretb | October 8, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Mccain supporters, just a reminder:

if your candidate John Mccain has not called Obama a Muslim, a non citizen, a left wing liberal, a terrorist, a member of acorn, or any of these things---then WHY DO YOU??

are you questioning Mccain's judgement? If HE doesn't believe any of this ....why should YOU, his followers?


Do you doubt MCCAIN? After 2 debates, and he has said NONE OF THIS to the public in front of a camera? Is he feeble and FORGOT to say all of this?

Or is he smarter than you and doesn't want this to stick to him? hmmmmmmmm

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 8, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

thank god for Mr. Robert Gibson.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 8, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Hannityites

You have nothing in common with hannity. He make $32,000,000.00 a year you ask paper or plastic. He is a great american but he hate the middle class.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 8, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain has 26years of experience in senate while Obama has nothing.....

Amen...Country First!
This is what the experience of McCain is:

1) McCain said for 30 years the government did nothing about energy security, when McCain was in the senate for 26 of those years and voted no 23 times for renewable energy.

2) McCain's 26 years of experience in senate and with his immense foreign policy experience made him judge that there were WMDS in Iraq when the Head of UN inspections in Iraq Hans Blix shouted his head off and claimed there were NO WMDS in Iraq BEFORE the Iraq war. BTW - WMDs were never found. (This is what I heard on the grapevine - McCain supports increased spending for Nasa so that they could search for WMDs in Mars with those fancy rovers.)

3) McCain's 26 years of experience in senate and with his immense foreign policy experience made him judge that Shia and Sunni will not fight, when for centuries Shia and Sunni always fought each other- Today they are fighting again.

4) McCain's 26 years of experience in senate and his immense foreign policy made him believe that singing Bomb bomb iran is just a joke but it is not OKay for Obama to say we will get Osama Bin Laden if we know where he is.

5) McCain's 26 years of experience in senate taught him that the Fundamentals of the Economy were strong when in only a few weeks later McCain had to suspend his campaign to save the American economy.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 8, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain has 26years of experience in senate while Obama has nothing.....

Amen...Country First!
This is what the experience of McCain is:

1) McCain said for 30 years the government did nothing about energy security, when McCain was in the senate for 26 of those years and voted no 23 times for renewable energy.

2) McCain's 26 years of experience in senate and with his immense foreign policy experience made him judge that there were WMDS in Iraq when the Head of UN inspections in Iraq Hans Blix shouted his head off and claimed there were NO WMDS in Iraq BEFORE the Iraq war.

4) McCain's 26 years of experience in senate and with his immense foreign policy experience made him judge that Shia and Sunni will not fight, when for centuries Shia and Sunni always fought each other.

4) McCain's 26 years of experience in senate and his immense foreign policy made him believe that singing Bomb bomb iran is just a joke but it is not OKay for Obama to say we will get Osama Bin Laden if we know where he is.

5) McCain's 26 years of experience in senate taught him that the Fundamentals of the Economy were strong when in only a few weeks later McCain had to suspend his campaign to save the American economy.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 8, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

If 72-year-old cancer victim John McCain is elected and dies or steps down due to infirmity, we'll have President and Leader of the Free World Sarah Palin to guide us. It took her five colleges to get a bachelor's degree in Journalism. She thought being a beauty queen or a sportscaster was, like, totally cool until she found out about politics. She doesn't read much. Her husband wants Alaska to secede from the United States. She thinks dinosaurs and people quite possibly lived at the same time. In her church, where they speak in tongues and roll on the floor, she was protected by a preacher's prayers from witches.

Having spent virtually no time, for most of her life, pondering the topics she now parrots daily from the stump, she's demonstrated she'll say anything a shadow group of unelected operatives tells her to say. And who might they be? Hint: think WMDs, thousands of unnecessary deaths, manic deregulation, and environmental rape. Yes, rape. And I betcha, as she did to the women of Wasilla when she was mayor, Palin will make the environment pay for its own rape kit. (Okay, I lifted that one from the Daily Show.)

David Brooks, a distinguished conservative columnist and clear thinker, calls Palin "a fatal cancer on the Republican Party." Because she is anti-idea, he says. She is in no way qualified to be president, he adds with uncharacteristic passion.

A "fatal cancer on the party." Not my word but those of a prominent, loyal voice for the GOP. Logic rears its head, like Putin in one of those jets over Alaska. We should all be very afraid of letting this anti-idea lamebrain take command of our economy, military and social discourse. We've tried that. As you probably remember, it doesn't work so well. If you vote for John McCain, Palin is who you're going to get. Just be clear on who you're actually voting for.

Posted by: yogi11 | October 8, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

OMG! He's BLACK!!

The BLACK Hussein socialist, commie, pinko, trotskyite, leninist, maoist, stalinist, anarchist, nihilist, muslim islamo facist terrorist, friend of terrorists is gonna be PRESIDENT of the United States!

Its gonna be a great day!!

:-) Heehee..

:-)

Posted by: toritto | October 8, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by association. How does Palin's reasoning go?

1.)Barack Hussein Obama is Muslim because of his middle name.
2.)All Muslims are terrorists
3.)Some non-Muslim people are terrorists too
4.)Bill Ayers is a terrorist
5.)Obama is acquainted with Bill Ayers, who's a terrorist
6.)Obama is a terrorist AND a Muslim

Therefore, everybody named Bill is a terrorist.

You betcha!

signed,

Mavis Hussein Darling, esq.

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 8, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

John McCain seems to be loosing perspectives on the elections and civility between himself and Obama.

Notwithstanding their political philosophies/policies and differences, surely McCain can make eye-contact and be more cordial with Obama.

McCain and Palin are leaving the impressions that they are the heir-apparents and have the right to be in the White House, hence, the general public must believe in what they cay and eventually do the formalities on November 04, 2008 to proclaim their coronation.

The low level to which Palin and McCain are conducting themselves and through their misguided statements, ethnic and personal attacks against Obama leaves much to be desired.

Compounding the issues is that Palin makes unsubstantiated personal attacks; yet when her past and current involvements are questioned, NcCain's team takes the position that the public and media are infair to her by being sexist, and untowards to her -- hence Palin should be untouchable.

Is that the quality Palin and McCain want the public to consider their candidacy to hold the highest elected offices in the US?

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 8, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Now it makes perfect sense why McCain won't look at Obama when the two are together on stage and why his attack parrot, Palin has been spewing her vile bile of character assassination, with the campaigns consent. He is doing the exact same thing Hilary did in the closing stage of her campaign, appealing to the racists for their vote. I have a message for McCain. See where it got Hilary? You'll end up in a far worse place, you old unprincipled, dishonorable disgrace!

Posted by: tydicea | October 8, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

John Mccain looked Barack Obama and YOU in the eye at these debates....and said none of the slanderous things YOU all have been saying.

What does that tell you?

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 8, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

WHO IS SARAH PALIN?
Ask the folks in Ireland:
Headline
Away from her friends on Fox, Palin folds like a cheap suit
KEVIN CULLENMEDIAWATCH: MIDWAY THROUGH her debate with Joe Biden, Sarah Palin began dropping her Gs and channelling Marge Gunderson, the plain-speakin', pistol-packin' pregnant police chief in Fargo.

Palin declared, in no uncertain terms, that she needn't answer questions put to her by the moderator, that Obama-lovin' Gwen Ifill, who works for the ultraliberal Public Broadcasting Service, or anybody else in the mainstream media. She was gonna talk straight to the American people.

It was great theatre, but in a Beckett-like absurdist way. It is a tried and true tactic of the American right to blame any and all their problems on the "mainstream media". They even have an acronym for it: MSM, as if it's some malevolent Chinese food additive. According to the right, the only place the American people can get fair and balanced news is from the likes of Fox, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of the right-wing ideologues who clutter the airwaves on talk radio.

The truth is, Sarah Palin and John McCain should thank their lucky stars for the dreaded MSM because, aside from the aforementioned ideologues, it is only those members of the MSM who uphold minimal journalistic standards of fairness and relative objectivity who are looking at Palin these days for anything but a punchline.

Even some right-wing pundits have had the temerity to point out that the nice lady from Alaska is an empty suit. Peggy Noonan, Ronald Reagan's speechwriter, got into trouble with her fellow Republicans when, while commenting on McCain's cynical sop to the religious right, she described Palin's selection as "political bulls**t" into a TV microphone she didn't know was on. Noonan's dismissal of Palin as a serious politician in a Wall Street Journal column after the debate was even more devastating, because it came with time for reflection, and after Noonan had withstood withering attacks from Republicans who accused her of aiding and abetting the enemy.

The McCain campaign is blaming the MSM for Palin's steadily sinking poll numbers. An interesting tactic, given that Palin's handlers have steadfastly refused to let journalists from that mainstream media question her. They are especially wary of letting newspaper reporters have a go at her. She has done only a few sit-down interviews with handpicked TV presenters.

One of the interviews, with Sean Hannity, a right-wing pundit on Fox, was cringe-inducingly obsequious, like watching Ryan Tubridy interview Jesus Christ.

The interview with Katie Couric, an avowed liberal who gets paid $15 million a year to read the news on CBS, shouldn't have been much harder for Palin, but Couric asked a couple of questions that required speaking beyond rehearsed talking points, and Palin folded like a cheap suit. Palin fumbled around like a child caught stealing biscuits. At one point, she rambled on for more than a minute in a stream of consciousness that sounded like a cross between a paragraph in Finnegans Wake and Robert De Niro's last, apocalyptic words as he sank beneath the water's surface at the conclusion to Cape Fear.

So worried were Palin's handlers about how she'd perform in the debate that, just days before it, they launched a pre-emptive strike on Ifill, a widely-respected journalist who just happens to be black.

You know, like Barack Hussein Osama. Wink, wink.

The conservatives had a point: Ifill is writing a book called The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama , so she has a personal and financial stake in Obama getting elected.

But when Ifill was selected as moderator two months ago, she disclosed that she was writing the book, and no one complained then. Of course, McCain had not yet selected Tina Fey as his running mate. As it turned out, no one beyond the loony right-wing blogosphere suggested Ifill was anything but impartial during the debate.

It's sad but true that the mainstream media will carry on with the charade, all the way to November 4th, that Sarah Palin is a serious candidate, that she resonates with ordinary voters because she's just so gosh darn ordinary, even if the Republicans have no intention of letting said ordinary voters hear what she has to say in anything but a stage-managed interview. Objectivity is a beautiful thing.

It was beyond ironic, then, when Palin said she was taking the gloves off the other day and accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists".

As her indisputable source for this specious accusation, she cited none other than the New York Times , America's greatest newspaper, which she and the rest of the right constantly deride as a biased, bigoted mouthpiece of the liberal left.

Apparently, Governor Palin didn't read the article in its entirety, because the exhaustive piece concluded that Obama and William Ayers, who was a member of a violent radical group opposed to the Vietnam War, are acquaintances at best, and that Ayers became a respected professor of education after his radical youth.

In a media week when, aside from the more mundane news that the American economy is collapsing, it was all Palin, all the time, the best description of Sarah Palin's utter cluelessness about anything outside her own small, provincial Northern Exposure existence came from a caller to a talk radio show, albeit a show not typical of the usual American talk radio fare.

National Public Radio's " On Point " is one of the more thoughtful call-in shows in America, and one caller told host Tom Ashbrook that after listening to the debate she had come to the conclusion that Sarah Palin is George Bush in a skirt.

No doubt, Governor Palin would find comfort in her belief that anyone who listens to NPR is a God-hatin', Obama-lovin' commie.

Kevin Cullen, who will be writing a weekly media column through the elections, is a columnist for the Boston Globe.

© 2008 The Irish Times

This article appears in the print edition of the Irish Times

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 8, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

It is so unpatriotic the lies that keep coming from the McCain camp. It is as if they believe that just because they say it, it makes something true. As for the rally where Palin was recently introduced by a sheriff that used Obama's middle name. I can't hardly believe how thinly veiled the racism is? And the McCain camp promotes this. Why are people not up in arms about this? It is absolutely disgusting.

Posted by: patrioticinNC | October 8, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The only people who would vote for McCain are racists, the Joe Six Pack crowd and other assorted "losers". As for Ms. "I can field dress a Moose" her lack of respect for basic decency makes her look like a 2AM honky tonk reject. Hey Sarah, Wally six pack is waiting for ya out in the pick-up. (belch)

Posted by: Billy7 | October 8, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

To be honest I don't like neither one but, I pick McCain because with Obama all he can do is run his mouth. He has never run anything but his mouth he only says and does what his high profile people behind him tells him to say and do atleast McCain has been there done that and knows what morons are running this government to be in the shape it is in now. If you think for one moment Obama is going to fix it with his BS hang on to your wallets.
McCain cares about the people and this great county we live in where Obama only cares about votes and how he can BS the american public to his way of ratical thinking...

Posted by: gough57 | October 8, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Mccain has NEVER said Obama is a muslim.

Mccain has NEVER said Obama is not a citizen.

Mccain has NEVER said that Obama is in any way a terrorist.

Mccain has never said that Obama is a Muslim or communist.

Mccain has NEVER said that Obama is a left wing liberal and NEVER brought up ACORN.

anybody know why??? anybody? why Mccain wants YOU to lie about Obama, but HE won't do it himself???

YOU are supposed to rant and lie, but Mccain does not want to. After he loses, Mccain wants to be pals with the Georgetown cocktail crowd while Palin is left to rot in the wilderness.

Mccain is NOT going to stake himself out for this kind of smear/slander. INSTEAD, he is going to let YOU DO IT!!!

And besides, are you questioning Mccain's judgement? If HE doesn't believe any of this ....why should YOU, his followers?

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 8, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

You fools, you know how serious the guilt by association is. It shows your character. It gets worse and worse.

Do you know which famous American said:
"....I've got no use for America or her damned institutions"
This same guy was murdered while attempting to buy plastic explosives in black market.

Here is where you will find the answer you fools:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/104960-0/


Do you know which of the politicians supports this thug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYqRfp6-x8&feature=related

All you fools your eyes will be opened. And you will realize how guilt by association shows your character.

Vote for the real deal and not a shady person. God bless you.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 8, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain has been in the Senate for 26 years, if he was such a great leader, one who can 'reach across the aisle to get things done', then how come he hasn't been able to fix the greed and corruption he keeps on about? If he's against special interests, then what about his relationship with lobbyist Rick Davis? So much for McCain the maverick.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | October 8, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

KEVIN CULLENMEDIAWATCH: MIDWAY THROUGH her debate with Joe Biden, Sarah Palin began dropping her Gs and channelling Marge Gunderson, the plain-speakin', pistol-packin' pregnant police chief in Fargo.

Palin declared, in no uncertain terms, that she needn't answer questions put to her by the moderator, that Obama-lovin' Gwen Ifill, who works for the ultraliberal Public Broadcasting Service, or anybody else in the mainstream media. She was gonna talk straight to the American people.

It was great theatre, but in a Beckett-like absurdist way. It is a tried and true tactic of the American right to blame any and all their problems on the "mainstream media". They even have an acronym for it: MSM, as if it's some malevolent Chinese food additive. According to the right, the only place the American people can get fair and balanced news is from the likes of Fox, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of the right-wing ideologues who clutter the airwaves on talk radio.

The truth is, Sarah Palin and John McCain should thank their lucky stars for the dreaded MSM because, aside from the aforementioned ideologues, it is only those members of the MSM who uphold minimal journalistic standards of fairness and relative objectivity who are looking at Palin these days for anything but a punchline.

Even some right-wing pundits have had the temerity to point out that the nice lady from Alaska is an empty suit. Peggy Noonan, Ronald Reagan's speechwriter, got into trouble with her fellow Republicans when, while commenting on McCain's cynical sop to the religious right, she described Palin's selection as "political bulls**t" into a TV microphone she didn't know was on. Noonan's dismissal of Palin as a serious politician in a Wall Street Journal column after the debate was even more devastating, because it came with time for reflection, and after Noonan had withstood withering attacks from Republicans who accused her of aiding and abetting the enemy.

The McCain campaign is blaming the MSM for Palin's steadily sinking poll numbers. An interesting tactic, given that Palin's handlers have steadfastly refused to let journalists from that mainstream media question her. They are especially wary of letting newspaper reporters have a go at her. She has done only a few sit-down interviews with handpicked TV presenters.

One of the interviews, with Sean Hannity, a right-wing pundit on Fox, was cringe-inducingly obsequious, like watching Ryan Tubridy interview Jesus Christ.

The interview with Katie Couric, an avowed liberal who gets paid $15 million a year to read the news on CBS, shouldn't have been much harder for Palin, but Couric asked a couple of questions that required speaking beyond rehearsed talking points, and Palin folded like a cheap suit. Palin fumbled around like a child caught stealing biscuits. At one point, she rambled on for more than a minute in a stream of consciousness that sounded like a cross between a paragraph in Finnegans Wake and Robert De Niro's last, apocalyptic words as he sank beneath the water's surface at the conclusion to Cape Fear.

So worried were Palin's handlers about how she'd perform in the debate that, just days before it, they launched a pre-emptive strike on Ifill, a widely-respected journalist who just happens to be black.

You know, like Barack Hussein Osama. Wink, wink.

The conservatives had a point: Ifill is writing a book called The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama , so she has a personal and financial stake in Obama getting elected.

But when Ifill was selected as moderator two months ago, she disclosed that she was writing the book, and no one complained then. Of course, McCain had not yet selected Tina Fey as his running mate. As it turned out, no one beyond the loony right-wing blogosphere suggested Ifill was anything but impartial during the debate.

It's sad but true that the mainstream media will carry on with the charade, all the way to November 4th, that Sarah Palin is a serious candidate, that she resonates with ordinary voters because she's just so gosh darn ordinary, even if the Republicans have no intention of letting said ordinary voters hear what she has to say in anything but a stage-managed interview. Objectivity is a beautiful thing.

It was beyond ironic, then, when Palin said she was taking the gloves off the other day and accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists".

As her indisputable source for this specious accusation, she cited none other than the New York Times , America's greatest newspaper, which she and the rest of the right constantly deride as a biased, bigoted mouthpiece of the liberal left.

Apparently, Governor Palin didn't read the article in its entirety, because the exhaustive piece concluded that Obama and William Ayers, who was a member of a violent radical group opposed to the Vietnam War, are acquaintances at best, and that Ayers became a respected professor of education after his radical youth.

In a media week when, aside from the more mundane news that the American economy is collapsing, it was all Palin, all the time, the best description of Sarah Palin's utter cluelessness about anything outside her own small, provincial Northern Exposure existence came from a caller to a talk radio show, albeit a show not typical of the usual American talk radio fare.

National Public Radio's " On Point " is one of the more thoughtful call-in shows in America, and one caller told host Tom Ashbrook that after listening to the debate she had come to the conclusion that Sarah Palin is George Bush in a skirt.

No doubt, Governor Palin would find comfort in her belief that anyone who listens to NPR is a God-hatin', Obama-lovin' commie.

Kevin Cullen, who will be writing a weekly media column through the elections, is a columnist for the Boston Globe.

© 2008 The Irish Times

This article appears in the print edition of the Irish Times

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 8, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

My friends.................McNasty is suffering from a very severe case of "ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION".

Posted by: 10emlet | October 8, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Putin is giving $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for weapons to Venezuela, his friend Chavez, and is interested in more influence in South America.
_____________


You are aware, are you not, that your great government is in Putin's neck of the woods arming satellite countries to the teeth with weapons. Let's put hypocrisy aside, grow up, and realize that that seems to be the name of the game with all these creeps/leaders. Arm everyone to the teeth, enrich their weapons-making friends and start wars based on nothing - after all, they continue to get rich while they shed our blood. Not a bad trade-off for these subhumans, both theirs and ours

Posted by: 10emlet | October 8, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

" I have voted for as many Democrat presidential candidates as I have Republican presidential candidates. I voted for HRC in the primary.

But I distrust Obama intensively. I have research that man for months and months, read both his books, and still believe that he will ruin American if elected. I believe he could most likely be a sleeper; he was influenced too much by his communist mentor and his family and friends who are or were in all the wrong places."

LOL BS you are a republican troll trying to act like some swing voter. your comments about obama being a sleeper after youve "researched and read his books" is so far from the truth i think your mothers nose is growing. nice try though, next time dont use the same ol' BS that the neocon taliban uses.

Posted by: gdabling | October 8, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

America is very lucky because you never ever didn’t know what it is Socialism and Communism. I’m from former Soviet Union. I don’t know more terrible, humiliation country, where only leader is right and smart, where doesn’t have any kind of freedom. Many things from Obama’s company remained me stile of former Soviet Union. But looks like we will know what that is Socialism. Everybody should think about this. Sorry, my English isn’t good.

Posted by: baja1979 | October 8, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

You had to at least love Palin a little bit for entertainment value if nothing else in the debate for the Joe Sixpack's of the world---Instead of having phone s.e.x. she was having TV s.e.x. with them as she winked and licked her lips and did the little low half-hand wave, and smiled her way into the seduced hearts of the lonely hearts club slurping their beers at local bars across America---No doubt it would be a treat to watch her eat an icecream cone too. BUT IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID--I'M VOTING FOR OBAMA and BIDEN in '08!!! You should too when you sober up.

Posted by: benighse | October 8, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Loisland3,

And you know, he is...... also......you know.......black....yikes.

Posted by: McSameChalin | October 8, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

1) IT'S THE ECONOMY!!!

2) IT'S JOBS, WHICH IS THE ECONOMY!!!

3) IT'S HEALTHCARE, WHICH IS THE ECONOMY!!!

4) IT'S GIVE IRAQ BACK TO IRAQIS, WHICH IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ECONOMY!!!

5) IT'S IMPROVED INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS WITH OUR ALLIES AND OUR WORLD STANDING, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST LINK TO THE ECONOMY!!!

6) IT'S IMPROVING THE DOLLAR IN THE WORLD, WHICH IS THE ECONOMY!!!

===Now which part of this don't you understand when you VOTE????

---IT'S THE ECONOMY....and it's time to VOTE OBAMA AND BIDEN IN '08!!!

Posted by: benighse | October 8, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

sallieismydog,

Exactly, if Obama was a Muslim McSame and Pitbull would be saying every day as many of times as possible. It is amazing though since they lie about everything else, why not that? Two desperate losers, it getting to the point where I kinda feel sorry for them. Well I feel sorry for all Republicans, so I guess that is nothing new. Mostly feel sorry for them when they are judged by God.

Posted by: McSameChalin | October 8, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Beauty and the Beast are so desperate it's frightening. They are releashing their inner pitbulls of lies, distortion and character assasination.

Posted by: whoiamnow | October 8, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Mccain wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the a.s.s....actually, it probably has bit him in the a.s.s.....and that's why he is sooooooooooooo ANGRY!!!!

Posted by: benighse | October 8, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is too risky to be President. When he worked for the CAC he gave grants to radical educational groups. He was also connected with Acorn. Acorn is connected with the financial mess. Also, it has been accused of voter fraud. Just yesterday, the democratic secretary of state of Nevada 's voter fraud task force raided one of Acorn's offices in Nevada. Obama is a radical leftist. He is covering it up now to get elected.

Posted by: Loisland3 | October 8, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Mccain doesn't remember Obama's name....he has not known OBAMA very long....and short term memory is the first thing to go with senility....SENILITY IS NOT A VIRTUE JOHN.....Send Mccain to the Manor House, not the White House....

Posted by: benighse | October 8, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

What is going on with McNasty? He is really losing it. I almost expect him to start foaming at the mouth. There is no doubt in my mind that he has a severe case of "ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION".

Posted by: 10emlet | October 8, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Mccain has become MR. GRUMPY. The persona of being an angry bitter ol' man is hardly a convincing character for him.....He is acting like Daffy Duck...Is it the medications he's on for recent mini-strokes, or is it just being 73 and erratic! My Republican wife asked why he was noticeably dragging his leg across the stage during the debate...No one seems to be asking the medical issues questions of Mccain and his lobbyist staff....At least he has a running mate who knows how to change his Depends!

Posted by: benighse | October 8, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

OL' MR. GRUMPY IS NOT HAPPY....HE WANTS TO TAKE ALL HIS MARBLES AND GO HOME....IF ONLY HE HADN'T LOST ALL HIS MARBLES....SENILITY IS NOT A VIRTUE....TOODLES MCCAIN....OR IS IT TONTO MCCAIN TO LONE RANGER BUSH....HI HO SILVER PALIN....AWAY....

Posted by: benighse | October 8, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Just curious.......why won't MCCAIN say anything about Obama's past?

Two debates later,
Mccain has NEVER said Obama is a muslim. Mccain has NEVER said Obama is not a citizen. Mccain has NEVER made a firm statement that Obama is in any way a terrorist.

All of these insults to Obama----why won't Mccain do the dirty work? why is he counting on YOU? He won't dirty himself with it because he is happy to let Palin hang herself with this slander. Mccain may be old, but he knows better Mccain WOULD not say some of these things you are saying. He knows better and he is sure you will do it for him.

Yup, there is your great american hero, hding behind YOU and Palin. HE won't say it, but he sure expects you to.

doggone right.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 8, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain is so desperate he has his wife attacking Obama now for not "funding" her son.

What she failed to mention was that in addition to Obama voting against a DoD funding bill WITHOUT Iraqi withdrawal timelines, ergo his no vote, her husband also voted against a DOD funding bill a few months later WITH Iraqi withdrawal timelines.

I watched two very different potential first ladies stumping for their husband/candidates today.

Mrs Obama was articulate, reasoned, passionate, partisan, and upbeat.

Mrs McCain was accusatory, nasty, shrill and partisan.

Posted by: mathas | October 8, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

The Republican campaign and Sarah Palin are no longer acting in a responsible manner. Inciting a crowd with 'codewords' and other innuendos and lies isn't worthy of being called a presidential campaign event. It is simply and plainly a campaign of hate.

There is no obligation for the press to cover hate mongering under some idea of 'fairness' in reporting.

McCain and Palin must stop encouraging potential attacks on Obama.

Their speeches are going well beyond their First Amendment rights into the realm of incitement of violence.

What they are doing is DANGEROUS.

The Nazi tone of Palin's rallies are UNPATRIOTIC.

Posted by: streetscapesnyc | October 8, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

ohioan,

If you think McCain will do something about the health care crisis, you must be smokin some good stuff. Him and his type love the system that makes the rich richer, and the poor poorer, and with regards to health care, deader.

Posted by: McSameChalin | October 8, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I live in OHIO , The big employer is walmart in my area, we had pottery, and steel mills,all gone.

a rich nation is a nation of productors, whom sell goods to the world, in exchange for thier wealth.

enter wal mart america leading seller of fine CHINA GOODS.

China in exchange loans money to the USA, to keep us from bankrupe

Do not look for these two men to reverse that, some how, some way the people will have to do that.

Posted by: dv1236 | October 8, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

If McSame actually believes the claptrap he and his array of slimy sycophants have been dispensing, it's a shame he didn't have balls enough to say it to Obama's face.

Liar. Hypocrite. Wimp. It's time for McSame to shuffle off the stage, and quit befouling this country with his ludicrous, ugly campaign.

Posted by: bclark3 | October 8, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Remember guys/gals Palin and McCain dissing Obama about airraiding civilians in Afganistan....

Guess what, MSNBC is reporting that the eternal Maverick McCain actually said the same thing about Airraiding in Kosovo. He was so for putting troops on the ground in Kosovo that he complained that we were just airraiding innocents in Kosovo from the Sky!

I hope this thing is picked up by the press and challenge Palin and McCain on their hypocrisy.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 8, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

loudermilk1,

How can I respect someone who can't open his mouth without lying? And his wife said at the beginning "My husband will not lie or use negative campaigning, he would rather lose than do that". What a joke.

Posted by: McSameChalin | October 8, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

love234america,

Yea... Well he is....well you know....black and all....

Posted by: McSameChalin | October 8, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Sen McCain is an honest and honorable man.
He dislikes pointing out the falsehoods in the Obama dream. McCain has proven without a doubt what he is and what he represents.
You can reject him. John McCain has fought that you might be free and have that privilge.
Wonderful thing about this country. We are permitted to vote our freedon away and help ourselves to the public treasury. A vote for Obama will accomplish that.
Obama is not a black man especially or anything else. He plays on words and peoples emotions. If emotions can run the country that would be great! It won't. So it's like Obama himself. All talk, no substance.

Posted by: USDefender | October 8, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic comments on this one. It feels and is, historically, over. The right wingers here know it, and can only lash out at "communists" and "terrorists." Forget it. It's over. President Obama.

Posted by: faygokid | October 8, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

One more post and I'll quit: Just to be clear, I am not a Republican. I am an independent. I have voted for as many Democrat presidential candidates as I have Republican presidential candidates. I voted for HRC in the primary.

But I distrust Obama intensively. I have research that man for months and months, read both his books, and still believe that he will ruin American if elected. I believe he could most likely be a sleeper; he was influenced too much by his communist mentor and his family and friends who are or were in all the wrong places.

Posted by: love234america | October 8, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

My Friends...is it just me or is John McCain starting to look (and sound) like Don Rickles?

Posted by: wallygva | October 8, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

It is sad to see the country lose John McCain. For years many of us, including Democrats, respected John McCain as a decent person that stood for something.

Those days are gone. Today, John McCain has no answers for our countries problems. All he has left in his arsenal is insults and insinuation. He seems to become older, smaller and more petty each day. How sad to see the man that once held such respect wither away.

Thank goodness we see the truth about John McCain before it is too late.

Posted by: loudermilk1 | October 8, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Putin is giving $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for weapons to Venezuela, his friend Chavez, and is interested in more influence in South America. Since Obama was mentored by Communist Frank Marshall Davis (Obama writes about their vists in Hawaii in his book), Putin should not have a difficult time with Obama if elected.

Posted by: love234america | October 8, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama was wrong when he said energy was the
top priority. Maybe he realizes his health
care plan stinks-- and that's why he didn't say healthcare. High healthcare costs are the main reason Americans go bankrupt and foreclose on homes. I liked McCain's answer that all 3 issues were important and they can all be tackled simultaneously, too. I wish Americans would listen to McCain. He really is more progressive thinking than Obama.

Posted by: ohioan | October 8, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

what is this just randomly start talking trash about chicago? uck you mccain! Chicago kicks ass!

Posted by: jimothyjjones | October 8, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

You are saying McCann is lying.

Obama's mentor was the late communist Frank Marshall Davis whom Obama writes about visiting in Hawaii and Frank was full of hard-earned knowledge and advise. Frank & Obama were like father/son. Frank belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. Obama wrote that he attended socialist conferences. Obama is a socialist leaning toward communism; his platform a year ago was all socialist; I heard him say these socialist views. He has changed his opinions only to get votes but he has not changed; he is still a radical socialist. He has you fooled, just as Hitler had the Germans fooled; history does repeat itself but this time in the U.S.

Obama is also a crook. His A.C.O.R.N. in Nevada hired & paid people (criminals, homeless, etc.) to get people like them registered to vote; the attorney general of Nevada has crashed into their Las Vegas office and said that ACORN has as registered voters in Nevada the entire Dallas Cowboy football team; someone would have illegally used their names to vote for Obama in Nevada. Where else is this going on. Obama is a crooked Chicago politicans who has communist leanings.

Did any of the American Jewish people notice that Obama did not answer the question in last night's debate that Tom B. asked about if elected, would they militarily defend Israel if Israel were militarily attacked or go to the U.N. Obama never answered; he just kept talking about Iran; he avoided the question.

McCann said yes, if elected, he would militarily defend Israel if they were militarily attached and would not go to the U.N. since Russia & China has veto power. OBAMA IS NO FRIEND OF ISRAEL; HE HAS TOO MUCH ARABIC BLOOD. That's where he also has the blacks fooled; Obama is l/1 white, the rest almost entirely Arabic (his 3 names & his father's names and ancestors were mostly Arabic), and he has very little black, even tho he looks black, but actually he is red.

Posted by: love234america | October 8, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I am simply not surprised anymore with what the McCain campaign comes up with. Soon they are going to start claiming that Obama is the antichrist. Throughout this campaign, they have managed to stoke fears that Obama is muslim (like simply being one is a dangerous thing, but the fact that Obama is actually christian is not known to many people), link him to all sorts of associations with crooks, sometimes simply on the basis of Obama being in the same room with a person, lie about his tax plan for the middle class, continue to charge that the media is biased (to innoculate their lies). Now they claim Barack Obama is associated with the Weathermen (Obama was 8 when they were active!). There is a difference between an casual acquaintance, and an undeniable influence on someone's decisions. Yes, indeed Obama has gone into attack mode as well, but his attacks are based on far more relevant associations like McCain's deep links with Lobbyists (the McCain campaign is both financially supported and staffed by lobbies, and he has demonstrated his culpability to corrupt commercial influence thru the Keating 5 scandal), McCain's dangerous healthcare plan (taxing your healthcare benefits to give you healthcare tax credits), his proposal to open up social security for investment decisions (good idea, but also adding considerable risk to people's security net), and McCain's behavior (claiming that the fundamentals of our economy is strong, and then messing up the bailout talks for political gain, his impulsive my-way-or-the-highway approach to foreign policy, his irresponsible selection of Palin), his tactics of dividing the electorate on choices that do not matter to the challenges we are facing today (guns, abortion, gay marriage etc), and his unethical attempts at voter caging across swing states to disqualify democrat votes. So while both campaigns have gone negative, we need to take things into perspective, and understand the difference between mud slinging versus relevant criticism, they are very different things. I have given up trying to convince the hard-core right wingers, and racially prejudiced people, because these are a group that have been completely swayed by their own preconceived notions about a candidate they have not even tried to read up about. This group has been hugely affected by John McCain's systematic strike at the media establishment (so they can say anything they want), to believe only what John McCain is saying, and have been programmed to allow their prejudice to claim that Obama is not experienced enough. TRUTH IS, YOU CAN HIRE EXPERIENCE AND YOU CAN BUY KNOWLEDGE, BUT WHAT YOU CANNOT CHANGE IS A PERSON'S JUDGMENT AND THE FUNDAMENTAL MORAL COMPASS THAT GUIDES IT. I am hoping that the Independent voters and undecided voters, who tend to be more deliberate, and inquisitive in their considerations would be able to make these critical distinctions.

Posted by: andytoh | October 8, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Three weeks left John. What's yor next option? Calling Obama a black radical in cahoots with Bin Laden? TV ads with atomic bombs exploding and Obamas picture in front? Why don't you don your old navy uniform and portray yourself as Patton with a picture of Obama wearing a suicide vest? Your losing John. You may as well go for broke.

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 8, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

''As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States''
Palin the ''Maverick'' grabs her shotgun....If she and McCain begin to spiral downward in the polls....as they will.......The rich and powerful may very likely create a major international incident.....To allow John McCain to come to the rescue..........

Republican or Democrat....
You will feel a cold chill running down your spine....as McCain and
Palin assume control of the nuclear trigger.

Posted by: rodhemeon | October 8, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain should read the blogs. More people think that he is patently dishonest compared to Obama. His campaign bears this perception out, with all the distortions, fabrications and lies that it sought to sow to produce distraction from the issues. You are egregious liar, McCain!

Posted by: tydicea | October 8, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

At this late date, McCain's attempt to redefine Obama as just some kind of Chicago pol is not going anywhere. Anyone watching the debates knows his rants about Obama are disconnected to any reality. McCain/Palin's hysterical attacks, as their campaign inplods, are going to be seen by everyone as the last, desperate act of a losing ticket.

Posted by: dcwsano | October 8, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Still not sure why McCain didn't cash it all in and go for broke last night. He took some very tame shots at Obama.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 8, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

The Great OB is in touch with Middle class of the Galactic Republic USAmerica
The Hollywood Celebrities Council led by Oprah asked the Great OB to attend it in secret as the crucial emergency matters would be discussed. George Clooney opened with stuttering voice sprinkled with anger “you are the Great Leader, the only hope for us, how could you fundraised more money for us? I hav eto talk to my Ocean 11, no Ocean 12 about it.” Samuel Jackson repeated his mantra “we have a Leader, who will fundraise more money.” Matt Damon and Ben Affleck agreed grudgingly chanting “the Great Leader, who will fundraise more money, the Great Leader, who will fundraise more money, the Great Leader who will fundraise more money.” Barbara Streisand sang uplifting song titled “The Great Leader OB who will fundraise more money than anybody in history.” Steve Spielberg reminded them about the expenses of this campaign “we sit here, while we could have been making millions of dollars. Instead we give our Great Leader free advice, free support, free mind, free spirit. I have never given anything for free before. This is exciting. It works like pot. It is great. If we win we will be the rulers of the Galactic Republic USAmerica.” Matt Damon suggested organizing a series of fundraisers in Chicago and New York City charging $30,800 per person. “This will bring out the Middle class of the Galactic Republic USAmerica.“ They all agreed that Democs are the ones to rescue the Galactic Republic USAmerica. The Great OB will lead the Force. All Masters of the Universe from the Wall Street and Washington were asked to report to theses fundraisers. Madonna called that she will be in.
The Great OB was furious. “This campaign is about change and hope that I will bring to the Galactic Republic USAmerica and the American people. Is $30,800 per person enough? Should I charge more? Why would anybody care how much it is? That Darth Vader Mac and Governess Palin are getting under my skin.”
The only thing that stands between us and the dominance of the Gallactic Republic USAmerica is the Governess Palin. “We unleash the dark forces of the media at her. She is bound to crackle under dominance and unforgiving weight of the questions from the Charlie and Kathy. These two are sweet robots for us. We will deploy columnists from the New York Times to write about her day and night. We will deploy the best team on TV to analyze the Darth Vader Mac’s campaign. We will deploy Tina Fey. She is hot”
The great OB flew out of Hollywood to the vast prairies of the Galactic Republic USAmerica to hold more of his educational rallies. “This is all the fault of the Ruler W and the Dark Vador Mac.” The media reported that the polls went up for the Great OB. The Hollywood Celebrities Council sent the Great OB congratulations and informed him that they were sending reinforcements led by the great Rockers Bruce, Billy and Bon Jovi. The Great OB was again ecstatic “This time we will not pull back. We will destroy Governess Palin and the Darth Vader Mac will fall. “The Great OB sighed with relieve “The victory is close.” Just one more speech, just one more rally, more trashing of the Ruler W and the Dark Vador Mac. There was nothing that could stop the Great OB.

Posted by: Wiel | October 8, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris,

Am I the only one in the country that desperately wishes this whole thing were over NOW? Exactly what new information are we expecting the final, excruciating 27 days of this nightmare to yield? The second debate was almost a carbon copy of the first (which was dreary enough). We all know all the stump speeches and attack lines. People were reciting them along with the candidates.
Any time McCain (in particular) launched into a standard attack, the CNN-a-tron at the bottom of the screen tanked. I don't think it was even people not liking what McCain was saying - I think it was the dialers' way of saying WE'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE (A MILLION TIMES)!
I worry that the country's enthusiasm for the election has peaked, and that we're in for diminishing returns from here on out.

Posted by: 661oldpost | October 8, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's get John McCain on the Record: "“We need to be honest about one central fact,” Senator John McCain intoned, explaining his opposition to the use of American military force. “We have no way to predict the size, length and casualties” that might result. The Arizonan elaborated:

If we find ourselves involved in a conflict in which American casualties mount, in which there is no end in sight, in which we take sides in a foreign civil war, in which American fighting men and women have great difficulty distinguishing between friend and foe, then I suggest that American support for military involvement would rapidly evaporate."

John didn't like Bill Clinton's approach to Bosnia. It didn't meet the Powell Doctrine Criteria. Never mind that the war and the truce that followed were absolutely necessary to deal with the atrocities that were being perpetrated there. More than ten years later, it is obvious how wrong he could be.

He Liked the idea of a war in Iraq, however, although IT didn't meet Powell's dicta, couldn't be justified by any facts on the ground, and was a predictable march into a morass.

Before going into Bosnia, Bill Clinton built a coalition, and maneuvered to provide the perception that Europe was the driving force and the U. S. was there in a supporting role. He told the people the truth, and kept telling the people the truth. Perhaps the most telling vignette was the clip of British troops folding their U. N. berets and stowing them, and donning their Regimental headgear, and returning to NATO command and NATO rules of engagement. They weren't to be sitting ducks anymore, and they knew that the serbs knew it. They looked happier.

George lied, lied, and lied some more. He went in on his own arrogant authority, and the "Coalition of the Willing" never once looked like anything but suborned supporters. We went in for Haliburton, Blackwater, Parsons, and KBR. We went in for George's friends profits.

John didn't really approve of saving Sarajevo, Bosnia, or the Balkans. He did approve of saving Haliburton and friends.

HIS judgment. On record.

Facts on the ground.

You could try to ask him about this, but he won't answer. He doesn't dare.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 8, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/fear-and-loathing-in-town-hall.html

Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Fear and Loathing in the Town Hall: A Predictive Fantasy

(The camera looks at the hall from above, into the hall, from the POV of the stage. Red meat has been hung from the walls and rafters, along with dollar bills which, upon closer inspection, are prop money.

The crowd is seated. They are strangely quiet. Their manner is that between those who are waiting for their instructions, post-op surgical recoverees, and post-war survivors. They are slightly slumped, in the same posture.

The candidates enter from opposite sides of the rear of the stage and walk to their podiums. The crowd rises as one and cheers with a loud, aggressive fervor reflective of their desperation.

Obama is standing tall in stride, looking a bit overcome by the experience, although genuine. McCain is smiling--his cheerful public grimace, although there is some genuine pleasure. His eyes have the slightest glaze of a gradually oncoming fog.)

MODERATOR: Tonight is a different format--one where you, the public, can ask your questions directly to the candidates. None of the questions have been screened in advance, and the candidates have been given no advance notice of what the questions, or who the questioners, might be. And with that, we begin. Our first question:

CITIZEN 1: My name is Jan, I'm from Murfreesboro? I've been watching the news, and I'm scared. I can't say that I've listened much about the stock market before? But I know that it's going down, and that's bad. I don't know what's going to happen to my job, or my house, or my kids. My question is for Mr. McCain? What will you do to help us understand what is going on, and to make it clear just what you will do about it?

(Crowd applauds vigorously as Jan sits down with a bit of embarrassment).

MCCAIN: (Holding the top of the rostrum with both hands and smiling): Well, first, I want to welcome each of you here tonight. You know, I know what each of you are feeling. I think that each of you must be scared--as I am, of not verifying myself in my father's and my grandfather's eyes. But, that's not so important today--or, at least saying it isn't. What is most important is to appear that I understand an economy that just months ago I said that I had little understanding of at all. I want to win. I need it, frankly, as a way of overcoming my own personal horrors and demons, of overcoming the anger that was bestowed and thrust, unwillingly, upon me. And that's why I'm still willing, even as the sharpest edges of mental function fade, to propel myself through this mass of insult. I understand how to respond to insult. With anger. And impulse. And that's what I'll bring to the White House, come January of 2009.

(Crowd applauds vigorously)

MODERATOR: The next question is for Senator Obama.

CITIZEN 2: Thanks. My name is Ross, from Shreveport. First-time caller, long-time listener. My question is: Senator Obama, it's not an error that you were given the middle name "Barack". We know that that is the same name of the murderous. Communist leader of Iran--and that's no accident. (A slight murmur from the crowd. The moderator looks vaguely stunned, but does not interrupt). Now, when you were going to Russia, with Bill Ayers, and dodging the draft--just like William Jefferson Clinton--(speaking more quickly now, more aggressively, turning to the crowd)--why weren't you here at home, saving our banks from the Liberals and the Socialists who want to take our money away from us and just give it to the terrorists?

SARAH PALIN: (Poking her head out from the wings, with a big smile): You betcha'!

(She withdraws).

OBAMA: Well. First of all, I also want to welcome you all here tonight. You know, I know that this is a difficult time. Many of you are worried about your jobs, your families, your homes. There are times that test a man's soul, and every woman's as well. And I know that this may be one of those times. I can understand why you would be frightened, even angry at what this nation has done. But we are a nation that has risen up in adversity even in the best of times, we found our strength, and honor, and courage, our ability to work as one, when faced with the most difficult situations. And I want to call on each of you, in that spirit of patriotic sacrifice, to join with me in that effort in the days ahead.

(Silence. Then applause, as the recognition of actual thought begins to spread through the crowd. It swells, and finally, subsides).

MODERATOR: The next question is for Senator McCain.

CITIZEN 3 (He is a man who appears to be in his early 40's wearing blue jeans that are stiff and obviously brand-new. They are perfectly creased. He is wearing a tight fitting, also obviously new T-Shirt that says "Average American...And Black With Rage!" beneath which is an American flag. He is wearing black wing-tip shoes. ). Senator McCain, I'm just an average American, just an average Joe, just your Average Joe-Sixpack (Blackberry begins ringing)...Oh...
excuse me...just...a...sec...my boss's phone...(whispering tensely into phone:) "No...I said sell. Sell. Yes, the entire portfolio. No, not Ghanan timber, for god's sake, gold, the lot of it. Jesus H....(tucks Blackberry back into pants pocket and then readjusts his stance to that of average Joe, slumping to one side again and changing his voice back to it's original tenor). Like I said, just an average Joe Sixpack. And I'm wonderin'. I heard what Mr. Hussein just said about "rising up", and I'm wonderin' if that's exactly what he wants to do! Oh, sure, he wants us to band together to rise up--where have we heard that before? Socialists! That's what they do! (crowd begins to murmur, and in the rising heat, the smell of the fresh meat begins to waft faintly through the hall). Rise up! That's what he wants to do! Well, we need to rise up! Against those kind of Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Atheist, Marxist policies! (the crowd is talking, some nodding their heads). And so what I want to ask you, Sen. McCain (crowd quiets), as an average everyday American, is this: What is it like, being a fighter pilot and all, when you know that Barack Hussein was out there, palling around with his Communist friends?

MCCAIN: Well, my friend--and by that, I mean that all of you are my friends--I'm glad you asked. Not everyone has had the luxury of gaining an education merely on the basis of their own talent, or the opportunity to travel the world learning how to be separate from important family members without their having significant pull, or to be able to experience the variety of foods that one has the chance to consume when they are paid for by the State. And, I can say that, in that way, I haven't been quiet as lucky. But I will say this--I will not look such fortune in the face and say: 'Fine, I'll work on education with the Bill Ayers of this world', "I'll be at the top of my class at Harvard", when I can be down, down there with you at the bottom! I know what it's like to be at the bottom when I've had all the opportunities--and I want to share that experience with those of you who have had none. You're angry. I'm angry. We have that in common. Let's be angry together, satisfied that, for another for four years, we've put those who have the arrogance to think for extended periods in their place, content in knowing that we're right--even if we're wrong.

CITIZEN 4: Hiya. My name is George, from Midland, altho' some would say Kennebunkport, heh, heh. I have a question for ya, John, and it's this. Listen: I'm goin' to be out of a job soon. Oil futures aren't lookin' that good, and I've got to tell ya', I didn't have too much luck there in the first place. So I'd like to ask ya, one flyin' man to another--what do you think I oughta do?

PALIN: (emerges from wings with purposeful strides to McCain's podium): I've got to take this one, John. Mr. Bush, if you can't figure out what you want to do after you leave and we move in, take a little time off, and then you come right up to Alaska. They love hunting just like you--and you can fly, you can learn to do it from a plane! The pipeline's big enough for any number of mistakes. So you come up here when you're finished--we've got plenty of bars with plenty of bowls of nuts and plenty of televisions right on Wasiila Main street--we'll take care of you right!

(Bush smiles and sits, crowd applauds, Palin, smiling and waving, exits).

CITIZEN 5: Well, look. This is a serious question. I'm John, from Carpenter. It's for both of you. I've got two kids, 4 and 6, a boy and a girl--so sweet. You know. My wife, she was working for the WaMu branch, center of town. It's closing next week. She's been looking in the ads, the newspapers, online--nothing. It's all she can do to keep a smile on her face for the kids. Myself, I built a commerical trucking business from the ground up. Sixteen years. Sweat everyday, grease on my hands, I can never get it out. We were never rich, but I made a good living. I didn't know about investing--who does, you're not born with it! Anyway, I went to an investment advisor, it seemed like the safe thing to do, protect the kids, plan for the future, not use my own dumb head (smiles). Well, he was so smart, and he was so sure, and he had it all planned out. And it looked so impressive on paper. Now--all of a sudden--it's gone. Everything is changing. It's changing so quickly. It seems like nobody--nobody knew. Not even the people who were supposed to! Everybody was talkin', makin noise, thinkin' of one thing: Themselves, themselves, themselves. Never worrying to think about someone else, about the future, about the next moment.

Well, now the next moment is here. And I wanna know--what are the two of you really going to do about it?

(The room is quiet as his last word echoes in the hall. The raw meat is rocking, slowly in the air, and the paper bills are gently fluttering). You can see Palin in profile, standing in the wings, holding her chin in her hand. The two candidates stare straight ahead, holding the podium. They are silent).

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/fear-and-loathing-in-town-hall.html


Posted by: caraprado1 | October 8, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA BIDEN 08!!!!


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 8, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain has always been a deregulator. His most famous walk down that path was with Charles Keating ( who also flew him a few times to the Bahamas). It;s quite interesting in that Keating hails from Ohio and had a brother who was a Republican congressman from that State. McCain also hasn't denounced Bush for his proposals to privatize Social Security ( personal accounts). If this had been adopted, the tragedy of many more Americans in their loss of savings would have been even greater.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | October 8, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"The only thing that can save McCain is a major terrorist attack, Russia/Iran/N Korea invading someone or Bin Laden being led in chains up the steps to the White House."

You may be on to something. McCain has said several times he knows where Bin Laden is, and how to get him. Maybe that's the plan, he goes and gets him and walks him to the White House. Palin can be there too carrying one her moose hunting rifles. Damn, somebody get Karl Rove on the phone, it just might work.

Posted by: bretb | October 8, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

What have Biden and Obama done for their states as senators prior to the campaign? I did not hear them say much about that. What happened? Maybe Not much?

Posted by: nononsense3 | October 8, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

what I am witnessing in the last couple week is a desperate,old asinine ,erratic, irrational and pathetic old man. As an independent voter and war veteran at one time I had respect for McCain, now when I hear him talk spewing diarrhea from his mouth I vomit

Posted by: capskip | October 8, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I keep getting the Peter Cook and Dudley Moore tune in my head - Goodbye, goodbye, you're leaving us skiddlydy. Goodbye, we wish you fond goodbye. Fa ta da da, fa ta ta da.

All played to a picture of John McCain slowly riding his old POW war horse into the sunset.

I think its over, the fat lady is getting ready to sing, finally America is about to move officially into the 21st century.

The only thing that can save McCain is a major terrorist attack, Russia/Iran/N Korea invading someone or Bin Laden being led in chains up the steps to the White House. It couldn't happen - could it? Oh no, the sound is fading, the picture dissolving, the fat lady is sitting down. Nooo! The eight year nightmare is still here. Roll on November 4 so I can sleep easy again.

Posted by: Cataplasm | October 8, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

It is very funny that Obama is rejecting McCain's economic plan. Obama wants to put words in the mouths of voters. Voters are not stupid, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama! Just show us our american values!

Posted by: nononsense3 | October 8, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain appeared frantic at some points in last night's debate.

The way he moved about the stage, like a crab with a few broken legs, the bulging veins in his neck and the bulging eyes, speaking too fast, trying to wedge in too many points and more often than not capped off by that creepy laugh and/or grin and preceded by the ubiquitous "my friends".

And you can't help but make a comparison between Obama's measured cool and eloquent physical apperance and McCain's closed stance and his papable disdain for his opponent.

I watched a few minutes of the McCain attack rhetoric from Ohio on a C Span replay earlier today. The downside for McCain in all this, he always looks and sounds angry, grumpy, pissed off, put out and frankly just plain old.

His ads are all negative now and he doesn't sound believable even when he's trying to talk up his plans for the economy or the country in general.

Posted by: mathas | October 8, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

How low will they go? It is truly frightening to see Palin allow and passively condone escalating hate speech. Do she and McCain want violence from their more radical supporters?

It reveals a cowardly side of the campaign - pushing followers into unsafe actions.

Posted by: rjbunny | October 8, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I really think McCain is close to cracking. Numerous times last night he looked lost and confused. His answers were vague and often off topic. He meandered all around the stage. The old guy has lost his way.

What spoke volumes to me was what happened when the debate ended. Obama and his wife hangout for a meet and greet with the crowd. McCain and wife, long gone. How can you be that clueless? He knew he had his lunch handed to him and couldn't take it, or perhaps he was headed back to Washington to "lead" the bailout crisis. He's a walking time bomb right now.

Posted by: bretb | October 8, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

It's bad enough that McCain has knuckled under to the same people (Bush/Karl Rove) who trashed his family so bad in 2000 that, according to his wife, his adopted daughter was in tears. John McCain won't even stand up for his own family, and he doesn't have the guts to look Obama in the eye. McCain learned the wrong lessons from the 2000 GOP primary, thinking that all he had to do was win a race to the bottom in order to win the highest office in the country. Now, he's a prisoner of the same people who abused him before, and he's losing.


John McCain sold his soul and he has nothing to show for it. No wonder he's lashing out.


For all these reasons, the thing to highlight is that John McCain, after bouncing from campaign gimmick to campaign gimmick, is freaking out. John McCain is a desperate loser and you can practically smell it. McCain is getting nasty and that will be the end of him. He's trapped between needing to lash out and needing to live down his reputation for being a volatile idiot.
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http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html
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Let McCain beat McCain, all we have to do is keep telling the truth about him and Side Show Caribou Barbie.
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http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/obama_responds_to_mccains_angr.html
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McCain's support has dwindled down to con-men and klansmen.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html
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After years of supporting corruption and violence, McCain's career is nearly over, and he's willing to do anything to delay the final verdict. The problems of the country aren't even on McCain's mind. For McCain, it's all about McCain.


His campaign and his policies show that John McCain doesn't give a damn about this country.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 8, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Hello Mr. McCain, I am not a Chicago Politician and I would like to recommend that you stop your blatant lies.

You need some improvement in that regard.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 8, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

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