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McCain Mocks Obama 'Infomercial' for Delaying World Series Game

By Michael D. Shear
HERSHEY, Pa. -- Sen. John McCain made a direct appeal to baseball lovers Tuesday morning while mocking his rival's decision to buy 30 minutes of television time Wednesday night for an address to the nation.

"No one will delay the World Series with an infomercial when I'm president," he said to the approval of a crowd of thousands at a stadium here.

The Fox television network agreed with a request by Major League Baseball to move the start of Game 6 of the series by 15 minutes to accommodate Obama's purchase of the television time, during which he plans to make his closing campaign argument.

In fact, McCain's own convention speech this summer forced a change in the start time of the NFL's season opener, which started an hour and a half earlier to accommodate McCain's speech.

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"And with Joe Biden's prophecy that 4 to 5 countries will test the USA just to test Obama is a scary notion.

To have your own VP be so apocalyptic as to warn us people will die. "

Sherl7962 is a typical low-information McCain supporter. That's not what Biden said or implied.

Posted by: jibal | October 29, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I didn't support Obama to begin with, but I do now. He'll do well on his 30 min telespot, as long as he doesn't sit at a desk with American Flags behind him, with a red tie and navy suit, like a sitting President. I like Obama. I'll watch him like a hawk, but he's smart---and smart people flock to him. We need that.

Posted by: lch11 | October 29, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

If the best the McPalin campaign and their supporters can do is lie, then they must be feeling pretty desperate.

A couple of random posts here provide two different examples of falsehoods:

#1. "Barack Obama, personally asked Fox on his behalf, to delay the sixth game of the World Series ..." jnmayfield, October 28, 2008, 12:50 PM

This is a factual lie on two counts: first, the game is not being delayed, only the pre-game show; and second, FOX made the call to air it tonight, not Obama. Obama wanted the ad to run on a night when it would not cause any kind of conflict with the Series.

#2. "Joe Biden's prophecy that 4 to 5 countries will hit the USA just to test Obama ..." sheryl7962, October 28, 2008, 12:47 PM

This is a misrepresentative lie. Joe Biden said that ANY new president would be tested.

Personally, I'd rather our armed forces have a commander-in-chief with demonstrated intelligence, thoughtfulness, and perception to gather wise advisors around him, rather than one with an itchy trigger finger who fancies himself a go-it-alone maverick, claims to know "how to win a war" when he doesn't have any such experience and demonstrates no such knowledge, and merrily sings songs about dropping bombs.

Posted by: jeniferlewis | October 29, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Man, I have to say, it's getting painful watching McCain reach for straws. Why doesn't he look through the TV listings and identify every show affected, then do robocalls customized to each show? All you Obama haters, guess what: You're going to lose, big-big-time. The country is leaving your narrow brand of stupidity and hatred behind. At some point your right-wing ruination becomes a big fat chicken coming home to roost, and right now the stench of the Republican Mistake is worse than an old egg farm my mom used to take us to. Deal with it. You're toast, finished, kaput, out of power. Losers. Obama is going to win and the Democrats are going to increase their hold on Congress, but guess what, with new adult supervision and someone with true leadership qualities (versus your doddering grumpy old man), we actually will see bipartisan work be done, and real efforts made at fiscal responsibility. Gee whiz, we haven't seen that since the era BB, Before Bush. Thank Yahweh the end is near for Bush and for McCain/Caribou Barbie!

Posted by: Plutonium57 | October 29, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Read below and guess who said it...

"But I believe that when you really look at the tax code today, the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don't pay nearly as much as you think they do when you just look at the percentages. And I think middle-income Americans, working Americans, when the account and payroll taxes, sales taxes, mortgage pay -- all of the taxes that working Americans pay, I think they -- you would think that they also deserve significant relief, in my view..."

"So, look, here's what I really believe, that when you are -- reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more. But at the same time, that shouldn't be totally out of proportion. There's some countries such as Sweden where it doesn't pay anything to work more than six months a year. That's probably the extreme.

But I think the debate in this country is more about tax cuts rather than anything else. And frankly, I think the first people who deserve a tax cut are working Americans with children that need to educate their children, and they're the ones that I would support tax cuts for first."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/21/1577609.aspx

Yep, John McCain in 2000, the original Socialist and RIC (Redistributer in Chief).

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 29, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

For any of you that haven't heard Obama's 2001 "Wealth Redistribution" taped comments for yourselves, here's the direct You Tube link so you can. You SHOULD! It's consistent with his recent "Joe the Plumber" comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Posted by: lightnin001 | October 29, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Didn't the NFL move the season's opening game kickoff 90 minutes so the game would be over before Mccain gave his acceptance speech at the RNC

Posted by: beboschmidt | October 29, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I am going to church and then hanging out with my family tomorrow night. We will not be watching Barack Oblahbla, an angry racist trying to look like a centrist unifier. He is a total liar too. How can he fight terrorism when he is friends with one? He says he will cut taxes, but has never ever voted to cut taxes before. He voted 94 times to raise them!!! I feel McCain will win, because voters will ultimately pick the best for our nation. After 9/11, almost everyone was glad Gore hadn't won. Remember the feeling? Please get out and vote for McCain-Palin. Nobama-Nobiden!!!

Posted by: rchood7 | October 28, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

how did Obama get the money to pay for it?
He broke his word! If he would break his word over finances, then he would lie about just about anything to get his way.
Even CNN agrees... go to this URL
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/28/campbell.brown.obama/index.html

Posted by: nomad2003 | October 28, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Ever notice how much mocking McCain does? He brings out the worst in people. That's the last thing we need.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 28, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

@sheryl7962:

If you don't want to watch Obama's 30 minute ad, then simply turn to another channel. You and John McCain sound like the little dumb kids in class who are jealous because the smart kid is making better grades than you. Grow up!

Posted by: quacksgirl21 | October 28, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Ha!

The old man must be kicking himself! Or maybe hitting his leg with his cane.

Let's all tune in to see if Jesus comes back to give Obama his endorsement. That's about the only rock that has yet to drop on McCain's dumb old head.

McCain/Palin '08

Worst. Campaign. In. History.

Posted by: BillinChicago1 | October 28, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Of all the stupid things McCain has said this has to be the most idiotic.

Is it Nov 4th yet?

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 28, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"Luke2, did you also make fun of Bob Dole always carrying a pen in his hand?"
Posted by: MarkInAustin

Mark,

not since Senator Dole got his new role in making television commercials promoting a certain "product" made by Pfizer pharmaceuticals.

He didn't need the pen anymore.

Maybe John McCain can get the same deal.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 28, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah Palin responded that the vice president is the president's "team mate" but also "runs the Senate" and "can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes."

markinaustin,

just what "policy changes" do you think Governor Palin has in mind?

I believe that if they are elected, John McCain will relegate Palin to the same bunker that Dick Cheney has lived and worked in since 9/11. Only they won't give her a telephone- or even access to the White House.

They will have to get a snow making machine so that the "First Dude" can stay in shape for the next Iron Dog race.

For your information, the Vice President's only role in the United States Senate is to break a tie vote. They would laugh her out of the cloak room if she ever showed up with any intention of "making a lot of good policy changes."

She's a joke- hopefully not one that we will have to worry about after Nov 4.

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 28, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Don't look now, but the Vice President is also "in charge" of NASA!

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 28, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Don't look now, but the Vice President is also "in charge" of NASA!

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 28, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Luke2, did you also make fun of Bob Dole always carrying a pen in his hand?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 28, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

deedee6, for your information, the Vice President is PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE and "in charge" (when present) as Presiding Officer.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 28, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I find it very interesting that John McCain walks around the stage with a closed left fist and his thumb pointing straight upwards.

When he is sitting at a table he does the same thing, and when excited, repeats over and over again, "my friend." or "my friends."

I thought at first that he was using his thumb as a potential pacifier, and I was just waiting for him to start sucking on it when he really lost his cool.

Finally, I discovered this link about how insulting the gesture is in many parts of the world.

'Thumbs up' traditionally translates as the foulest of Middle-Eastern gesticular insults — the most straightforward interpretation is 'Up yours, pal!' The sign has a similarly pejorative meaning in parts of West Africa, South America, Russia, Iran, Greece, and Sardinia, according to Roger E. Axtell's book "Gestures: The Do's and Taboos of Body Language Around the World."

Maybe that's why the old curmudgeon favors this gesture so much. He enjoys insulting people- especially those from other parts of the world.

Not this time.

Vietnam Veteran for Obama/Biden
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 28, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

gapoooh7.
Wow, how could I have been so wrong to think that people should pay their fair amount of taxes. Seems as though you are making my point for me. Wonder what Thomas Jefferson's slaves thought?

Posted by: jgh2 | October 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Um, last I checked it was outside the president's power to tell the TV networks what they can and can't show, or to tell MLB when they can start their games?

Or is that another duty for his maverick VP, in addition to running the senate?

Posted by: deedee6 | October 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

thecannula:

Maybe we are making this too difficult. If one goes to RCP or 538 and looks at the pretty red and blue lines, charts, etc, to say that all trends are downward for Obama is pretty silly.

What you are seeing now is normal fluctuation in the polls or "noise".

Just to cite 538 numbers:

Electoral vote 351.1 Obama 186.9 McCain
Win % 96.7% Obama 3.3% McCain
Popular Vote 52.4% Obama 46% McCain

Show me a trend like from 3/9 to 4/1 where Obama dropped from 48 to 44.6 and you might convince me that is a trend.

McCain needs a game changer, not an almost imperceptible "trend".

Even the Gallup poll you first cited was a small movement that has recurred for months in either direction.

Maybe this by Nate on 538 will help...

"What Would 'Tightening' Look Like?

There is a lot of discussion going on about whether the national race is tightening; our model concludes that it is not. But what would meaningful 'tightening' look like in terms of the Electoral College?

Let me be oddly specific here. In order to conclude the Electoral College has tightened to the point where the outcome on November 4 is at least moderately uncertain, I would want to see the following between now and the election. Call it the 2/2/2 condition:

John McCain polling within 2 points in 2 or more non-partisan polls (sorry, Strategic Vision) in at least 2 out of the 3 following states: Colorado, Virginia, Pennsylvania.

If this condition is met, then I think there could be some drama on Election Night (though by no means would McCain be the favorite). If not, then it's very hard to imagine McCain winning.

-- Nate Silver at 8:47 PM "
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/what-would-tightening-look-like.html

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Except in this case Obama wasn't going to be just an effigy.
___________________________________
Wes,
Neither are acceptble, but notice how WASHPOST only has headlines about one of them????
I am sure when someone puts one up of Obama they will cover the story....OH THE OUTRAGE! Calling NAACP and all reverends!

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 28, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey PJ, do you think the 900 point BOUNCE in the Dow is at all atributable to Wall Street factoring in the closing of the Gallup Poll gap between Redistributive economics and capitalism, as represented by Obama and McCain (respectively)?

You know it's really a shame the MSM couldn't keep that interview Obama gave
on redistributing the wealth and the problems with the Warren Court quiet until after the election, like the LA Times is doing with the Khallili- Obama Palestinian celebration tape....do you think that newspapers and TV are backing Obama so because they know he will stick it to conservative radio in the form of the "Fairness Doctrine" if he's elected?

Posted by: thecannula | October 28, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

In the Gallup traditional LV, the pollster uses a filter based in part upon previous voting frequency.
Pjkiger

PJ thanks for clearing it up- You choose to follow a poll based on people who have actually never gone to the polls before and I choose to cite one based on people who are deemed "likely voters" not only because they SAY they are going to vote, BUT HAVE ACTUALLY PUT PEN TO PAPER, as it were....either way, ALL TRENDS ARE DOWNWARD FOR OBAMA-

10/12 Traditional- 51/44 Exp- 53/43

10/28 Traditional- 49/47 Exp- 51/44

and Zogby and Rasmusson at 5- cutting Obama's lead in 1/2 over same period...cmon PJ, don't YOU get it?

(Besides IBD is at 4 and was most accurate in 2004...)

Posted by: thecannula | October 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

blevins20061 wrote:

This is disgusting and just proves where our country is headed.

Yes indeed, like the two skinheads arrested yesterday who were plotting to murder over 100 people and then try to murder Obama. Except in this case Obama wasn't going to be just an effigy.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I think that "thecannula" doesn't understand how polling works. LV models are just that--models. In the Gallup traditional LV, the pollster uses a filter based in part upon previous voting frequency. That tends to screen out young people and minorities, which are groups that tend to be enthusiastic about Obama's candidacy. Gallup's expanded LV model, which is based solely upon voter intention, shows Obama leading by +7, which is identical to his margin among all registered voters.

Another thing thecannula obviously doesn't understand is the concept of statistical noise. Small fluctuations in polling numbers can be caused by sampling error and imperfections in the weighting formula, etc. If you look at Gallup RV over the past two weeks, you see a pattern in which Obama is consistently around 50-52 percent, and McCain ranges between 42 and 44 percent. The margin narrows a bit when you use the traditional LV screen, which again tosses out a lot of Obama voters, but there's still a similar pattern in which Obama leads by a consistent margin of 2-5 points. This is a strong indication that McCain is not making much headway.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | October 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Why is the PALIN HANGING BY A NOOSE in West LA story being covered by WASH POST?

LATIMES.COM- Palin effigy hanging

I guess those in my PG county neighborhood won't be able to protest my Obama hanging by a noose as "part of my Halloween decorations", because it's perfectly ok for the gay community in LA to get away with this.

This is disgusting and just proves where our country is headed.

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

B.H.O. "spread the wealth"

Thomas Jefferson:
Our tenet ever was . . . that Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant that they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action.

The policy of the American government is to leave its citizens free, neither restraining them nor aiding them in their pursuits.

B.H.O. feels bad that the SCOTUS didn't take up "financial equality"

Thomas Jefferson:
One single object...[will merit] the endless gratitude of the society: that of restraining the judges from usurping legislation.

Posted by: gapooh007 | October 28, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

jgh2 appears to be all for "sharing the wealth" (which as we all know IS one of the main tenents of socialism).. Perhaps jgh2 would be wise to read from the Founding Fathers and THEIR idea on taking from one to give to another.

Thomas Jefferson: The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, 'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it.'

Posted by: gapooh007 | October 28, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

thecannula:

I was suggesting that you look at the averages as any one poll can be an outlier at a given time.

RCP Average 10/21 - 10/27 -- -- 50.6 43.6 Obama +7.0


Not sure you can point to the Gallup Traditional and claim much of a trend as has only varied withing a 3 point range in a somewhat cyclical fashion. Don't let me spoil your excitement though.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111568/Gallup-Daily-Presidential-Race-Narrows-Slightly.aspx

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

nowanna- If you want to compare a daily tracking poll to one that comes out on a schedule determined by ? go ahead...the Gallup is well respected and has been falling for the past 10 days down to margin of error. Rasmusson's down to 5, IBD- the one that came closest in 2004 to the final result- is down to 4, and zogby is down to 4 from 12! That's a trend even to someone who believes a Redistributive
economy is best for America!

Posted by: thecannula | October 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

2partsgin:

I have some very shocking news for you, maybe you are unaware of this and I am sorry to have to be the one to break it to you, but...even with the lower corporate taxes the jobs have been leaving regardless. There isn't any tangible evidence the previous tax cuts did anything to staunch the flow either. Could it be because the jobs are being shipped overseas for reasons other than corporate tax rates? You think? Maybe?

Having been involved in the rationalization process with several companies I have worked for the past decade corporate taxes were low on the list. The three main reasons were cheap, unorganized labor, circumventing US environmental standards and being able to do business with embargoed countries. You know, like Iran. The latter reason being for a major manufacturer of oil and gas field pumps and compressors.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 28, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

nowanna- If you want to compare a dily tracking poll to one that comes out on a schedule determined by ? go ahead...the Gallup is well respected and has been falling for the past 10 days down to margin of error. Rasmusson's down to 5, IBD- the one that came closest in 2004 to the final result- is down to 4, and zogby is down to 4 from 12! That's a trend even to someone who believes a Redistributive
economy is best for America!

Posted by: thecannula | October 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned that McCain-Palin are like (or try to be) bullies. I would add one more word-selfish. That's the simple reason they are running around like chickens with their heads cut off squawking "he will share the wealth, he will share the wealth". The rich Republicans sure don't like hearing that maybe the U.S. needs to have a fair way of being taxed. The rich Republicans feel they should get the tax breaks and not have to share anything. That's the GOP motto. That's the GOP way.

Posted by: jgh2 | October 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

That last paragraph here is such a blatant showing of bias. Nevermind that we were talking about a regular season NFL game in a sport that traditionally plays its games on Sunday, but the Republican National Convention was scheduled long before the NFL scheduled its opening game. Plus they moved the start time of the game earlier, the problem with the World Series is games start late enough as it is that a lot of people (including children who have school the next day) aren't able to stay up for the ends of games, pushing them back even further is the problem here. I don't think anyone in Washington or New York was complaining about having to watch the game at 7:30 rather than 8:00. And if you ask me, the Republican Nominee accepting the nomination of his party and speaking at the convention is a much more important event then an Obama infomercial, which he paid to have put on TV and selected a night that was known to have a World Series game on, rather than the night before when there was no game scheduled. Way to try to equate two completely different situations.

Posted by: nhcaps | October 28, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

thecanula:

If we are going to play cherry pick the polls then I pick this one. (woot!)

Pew Research 10/23 - 10/26 1198 LV 3.5 53 38 Obama +15


A better "tradition" is to look at the averages and all the data at RCP and 538.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

2partsgin/1partvodka- read the NY Times article from last Sunday showing what high corporate taxes did to jobs in Rhode Island- 50th ranked for business tax treatment with 8.8% unemployment- Massachusetts 34th ranked with 6.1% in same region- No Big Business in RI- GE pulled out years ago- if you want big business to bring middle class jobs back- CUT THEIR TAXES! I know you think of big businessmen as rats- well, like the rat in the maze, they move towards lower taxes...it's actually their fiduciary responsibility.
So you can have a $300 tax cut and middle class jobs behind door number one, or take this $1200 check your candidate's promising instead and try to find a job with a small business, which is pissed about having their taxes raised to pay for your extra $900 (1/2 of all small business revenue will be subject to Obama's tax hike as the 98% figure you're going to cite includes Ebay license plate sellers).

Posted by: thecannula | October 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"BUT THEY DON'T USE IT FOR JOB CREATION AND SHIP YOUR JOB OFFSHORE AND YOU GET LAID OFF."

Because the jobs are SO gonna stay here when Obama imposes a 33% increase in the tax rates on capital gains and dividends, an increase of 16% to 32% in the top payroll tax rate, reinstatement of the death tax with a 45% top rate, and a new payroll tax on employers estimated at 7% to help finance his health insurance plan. He's also contending for higher tariffs under his protectionist policies.

Finally, he would increase corporate taxes by 25%, though American businesses already face the second-highest marginal tax rates in the industrialized world, thus directly harming manufacturing and job creation while weakening demand for the dollar.

Posted by: 2partsgin | October 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Tradition! tradition....tradition

National Gallup (Traditional)* Obama 49, McCain 47 Obama +2

Those numbers are a sight for sore eyes-

Americans want jobs and a good economy, in the tradition of the best that America has been-

America does not want socialism....from each according to his ability... because we value hard work and the chance of getting ahead by studying (like Obama did), working with our hands, writing the next hit, or the "Great American Novel", or simply working our way up day by day as a teacher, policeman, architect, etc taking joy in the help we've brought to others and the security we've brought to our families.
THAT's American tradition- not the Redistributive Society Obama could bring in 2 months. What does America want? A check or a job?
Gallup's showing us that more and more want jobs!

OBAMA’S MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT - $1200

McCAIN’S MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT - $300 + LOWER CORPORATE TAXES FOR BUSINESES CREATING MIDDLE CLASS JOBS

LET’S SEE- $1200 CHECK VS $300 CHECK+JOB

That's NO dilemma!

Posted by: thecannula | October 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

BUT THEY DON'T USE IT FOR JOB CREATION AND SHIP YOUR JOB OFFSHORE AND YOU GET LAID OFF.

Oh, sure, because the jobs are SO gonna stay here when Obama raises the Capital Gains Tax Rate by 33%.

Posted by: 2partsgin | October 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain's "be a dick" campaign strategy seems to be paying real dividends. He's got Obama right where he wants him! Go, Maverick!

Posted by: zukermand | October 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA’S MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT - $1200

McCAIN’S MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT - $300 + LOWER CORPORATE TAXES FOR BUSINESSES CREATING MIDDLE CLASS JOBS, BUT THEY DON'T USE IT FOR JOB CREATION AND SHIP YOUR JOB OFFSHORE AND YOU GET LAID OFF.

LET’S SEE- $1200 CHECK VS $300 CHECK + UNEMPLOYMENT.

Yup, some dilemma there. You Betcha!

Posted by: wes1155 | October 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

That's what McCain and Palin do. They mock. Reminds me of the playground bullies who made an art out of ridicule, because they had nothing else to offer.

If it were McCain making the speech (and he would have if he'd had the money) I would consider that, too, to be a lot more important than the start time of a ballgame. So the World Series is delayed 15 minutes. Big deal.

Posted by: LMills259 | October 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Read below and guess who said it...

"But I believe that when you really look at the tax code today, the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don't pay nearly as much as you think they do when you just look at the percentages. And I think middle-income Americans, working Americans, when the account and payroll taxes, sales taxes, mortgage pay -- all of the taxes that working Americans pay, I think they -- you would think that they also deserve significant relief, in my view..."

"So, look, here's what I really believe, that when you are -- reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more. But at the same time, that shouldn't be totally out of proportion. There's some countries such as Sweden where it doesn't pay anything to work more than six months a year. That's probably the extreme.

But I think the debate in this country is more about tax cuts rather than anything else. And frankly, I think the first people who deserve a tax cut are working Americans with children that need to educate their children, and they're the ones that I would support tax cuts for first."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/21/1577609.aspx

Yep, John McCain in 2000, the original Socialist and RIC (Redistributer in Chief).

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"turn this country around"

When Obama supporters use language like this it's just scary. And usually fluffy words like hope and change follow it.

Obama isn't "The One". He's just unprepared guy who even his VP thinks is going to get us hit by our enemies. And even Joe knows that Obama won't have the right response.

What do you think Joe meant? I'll tell you what it wasn't...it wasn't the weak ass response that Obama gave "rhetorical flourishes"....what a loser.

With oil prices dropping, my guess is that when Joe/Obama/John/Sarah were all briefed the other day that Iran will probably try to attack us.

Before Iran's economy craters they will try to spread their hegemony thru out the Middle East, my guess they will hit Saudi Arabia first...mostly because of the oil but also because it's a Sunni lead nation.

Of course this attack is predicated on having a weak POTUS like Obama. How interesting too that folks from the Iranian parliment endorsed Obama.

Joe is right...gird your loins America. With American jobs going overseas because of Obama increasing the corporate taxes that kills jobs and an Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Frank leadership that wants to decrease military spending by 25% we are in for some troubling times.

Posted by: sheryl7962 | October 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"Not only that, how many of you think that raising taxes on corporations ENCOURAGES companies to hire more people?"

Not me. In fact, I heard a major employer (won't say who) speak but they employ about 100,000 people. He said with an Obama presidency and his tax policies it will cause his business to build plants in other countries.

Businesses do it all the time. Obama's plan is a job killer. We know it from history.

Obama and his supporters don't know history or business. But hey he's a cool guy that talks about change a lot.

Posted by: sheryl7962 | October 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse


Equivocating McCain's convention (scheduled far in advance, and McCain did not request the NFL to change it's schedule) and Obama's askance of Fox to delay the game at the last minute are issues that aren't even in the same zip code. The media bias for Obama presents itself even in subtle ways.

And for you people who think that Obama lowers your taxes more than McCain . . . you can continue telling yourself that.

Who do you think pays corporate taxes? CEOs? No . . . corporate taxes are on profits, and payrolls (including CEOs) are not included in the taxed amount.

The people who pay corporate taxes are the consumers; the middle class.

Not only that, how many of you think that raising taxes on corporations ENCOURAGES companies to hire more people?

But if you want to swallow the Kool-Aid, go right ahead. You'll wake up in 2010 and realize you elected Jimmy Carter. Again.

Posted by: Clued | October 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Many can see that Obama"

The better statement is that many have seen Obama thru a filtered media.

Ask yourself why the LA Time won't release a tape of Obama at a dinner hugging and praising Rashid Khalidi, a front man for PLO terrorist Arafat and with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers watching on.

The answer is because dolts like glassy eyed Obama supporters might see Obama for who he really is....a typical dirty Chicago politician who never achieved much of anything and got into bed with far left radicals who don't like America very much.

Again as Joe says gird your loins, we're going to become a very weak country under "The One".

Obama/Pelosi/Reid = the Axis of Taxes.

Posted by: sheryl7962 | October 28, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Among ordinary citizen this election is about hope vs. fear. Those with hope that there will be a better tomorrow they are willing to gamble on an opportunity for change. Many can see that Obama has the ingredients to be a successful president but they know that having the ingredients and being a success are two different things. They have trepidation but they have optimism. They can adapt.

Then there are those who are dominated by fear. They do not see a better tomorrow they are overwhelmed by the risks of today. They do not see what McCain will do to improve their lives but they are in need of someone to protect them from our "enemies". These enemies are liberals who do not care about America. These enemies are change and they are not very adaptable so change becomes frightening. The enemy could be al Qaeda or Iran or Russia, McCain is more "qualified" to face these threats. They see these threats as inevitable and not in our control so they want a person who is quick to react. It is inconceivable to them that a president can be prepared and is ready to respond because he has anticipated the attack and maybe even headed it off through anticipation. They do not realize that the ability to respond quickly is honed by being constantly unprepared.

I see the next two years as the bottom of our slide and that we can make progress as long as we maintain a level playing field. My hope is that a majority of ordinary people is optimistic for if they are we will elect a president who shares our optimism and ours will be a brighter future. That does not mean the next one to two years will not be hard. But it is worth it to turn this country around.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain is truly desperate. No one really will notice or care if the World Series game start is delayed by a few minutes. I am looking forward to hearing Wednesday's thirty minute summary of Obama's vision for the direction the country will take over the next four years. I am sure it will be a positive, enlightening, informative and uplifting program that will be of vital importance to our nation's future.

McCain dearly wishes he had the financial resources to buy thirty minutes of prime time. He also wishes he had the ideas and vision to fill up the time. As it is, McCain doesn't even have ten minutes worth of good ideas, plans, or programs for America. The GOP campaign is bankrupt in every way: financially, spiritually, inspirationally, intellectually.

We must work hard every day until we win. Vote Obama/Biden on November 4.

Posted by: dee5 | October 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA’S MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT - $1200

McCAIN’S MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT - $300 + LOWER

CORPORATE TAXES FOR BUSINESES CREATING
MIDDLE CLASS JOBS

LET’S SEE- $1200 CHECK VS $300 CHECK+JOB

hmmmmm, what a dilemma…

Posted by: thecannula | October 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Dinah S,

How sad for you. Not just because that's all you can say but how sad for you when the Obama drug wears off. You're going to have the biggest hangover you've ever had.....gird your loins.

Posted by: sheryl7962 | October 28, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

sheryl7962--I just have one thing to say:

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!

Posted by: DinahS | October 28, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Your comment about McCain delaying the football game is totally incorrect. The Republican party scheduled its convention years in advance. Whoever was the party's nominee would have given the speech at the same time, so it is not as if McCain personally asked the NFL to delay its start, just for his benefit. And the NFL had years to schedule its starting time.

On the other hand, Barack Obama, personally asked Fox on his behalf, to delay the sixth game of the World Series, so he could run his informercial, promoting himself. The MLB had no warning, and could not have forseen this.

Posted by: jnmayfield | October 28, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain just wishes he had the resources for his own infomercial.

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 28, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I think it's kinda pathetic that Obama feels he has to put out an info-commercial this late in the game blanketing most of the major networks.

And then to delay a major sporting event like the World Series, he's just creepy.

Obama is asking people to not go to work or school that day.

Spike Lee says the world will have a new time abbreviation: BB (before Barack) and AB (after Barack).

And with Joe Biden's prophecy that 4 to 5 countries will hit the USA just to test Obama is a scary notion.

To have your own VP be so apocalyptic as to warn us people will die. And then to have one of your most famous supporters deem a new time era....it's madness.

I just pray that Obama loses so Americans can go back to watching World Series games knowing we have POTUS that will protect us.

Posted by: sheryl7962 | October 28, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I think it's kinda pathetic that Obama feels he has to put out an info-commercial this late in the game blanketing most of the major networks.

And then to delay a major sporting event like the World Series, he's just creepy.

Obama is asking people to not go to work or school that day.

Spike Lee says the world will have a new time abbreviation: BB (before Barack) and AB (after Barack).

And with Joe Biden's prophecy that 4 to 5 countries will test the USA just to test Obama is a scary notion.

To have your own VP be so apocalyptic as to warn us people will die. And then to have one of your most famous supporters deem a new time era....it's madness.

I just pray that Obama loses so Americans can go back to watching World Series games knowing we have POTUS that will protect us.

Posted by: sheryl7962 | October 28, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It's good to see that John McCain is finally getting a sense of perspective.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

ABC isn't participating, Pushing Daisies is going on as scheduled. I am voting for Obama, as an Independent. Every time I hear him speak, I cry. I love that man! I had an opportunity to see him this summer. This is the last chance for him to give his pitch before we start calling him President Obama--I like the sound of that!

Posted by: livegreenordie | October 28, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

We must resist the temptation to blame McCain for these kind of lame antics. He really does not have any more cards to play. So, we'll have one more week of these pathetic non-issues to bother us. Vote for the country and ignore the noise.

Posted by: free-donny | October 28, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Can everyone see how tacky this whole thing has become? It will not hurt anything for the game to be delayed 15 minutes if necessary. Sen. McCain keeps on saying stupid things. You would think he would remember that a football game began 1-l/2 hours early to accommodate one of his speeches. Doesn't everyone know that somewhere someone is keeping records of EVERYTHING just to trip candidates up later if they say something stupid?

Posted by: beccajo | October 28, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Can everyone see how tacky this whole thing has become? It will not hurt anything for the game to be delayed 15 minutes if necessary. Sen. McCain keeps on saying stupid things. You would think he would remember that a football game began 1-l/2 hours early to accommodate one of his speeches. Doesn't everyone know that somewhere someone is keeping records of EVERYTHING just to trip candidates up later if they say something stupid?

Posted by: beccajo | October 28, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Can everyone see how tacky this whole thing has become? It will not hurt anything for the game to be delayed 15 minutes if necessary. Sen. McCain keeps on saying stupid things. You would think he would remember that a football game began 1-l/2 hours early to accommodate one of his speeches. Doesn't everyone know that somewhere someone is keeping records of EVERYTHING just to trip candidates up later if they say something stupid?

Posted by: beccajo | October 28, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

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