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McCain Pushes Guilt-by-Association Tie Between Ayers and Obama

By Howard Kurtz
The Ad: Obama's blind ambition. When convenient, he worked with terrorist Bill Ayers. When discovered, he lied. Obama. Blind ambition. Bad judgment. Congressional liberals fought for risky subprime loans. Congressional liberals fought against more regulation. Then, the housing market collapsed costing you billions. In crisis, we need leadership, not bad judgment.

Analysis: This John McCain ad employs guilt-by-association tactics on two fronts, trying to tie Barack Obama to both the mortgage meltdown and an unsavory character.

To say that Obama "lied" about his contacts with Ayers, whose Weathermen group conducted bombings when the senator from Illinois was 8 years old, is simply untrue.

Ayers hosted a reception at his home for Obama during the Democrat's first state Senate campaign in 1995, and they have served together on two charitable boards. Obama initially tried to minimize their relationship, saying at a debate in April that Ayers "is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know." Only recently have Obama aides said he did not know of Ayers's violent past when they first met.

The commercial's attempt to tie Obama to "congressional liberals [who] fought for risky subprime loans" is a stretch. Democrats on Capitol Hill did try to expand the role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- both parties are complicit in failing to rein in the mortgage giants -- but Obama played no significant role in this effort. The McCain campaign cites as evidence a September 2007 speech at NASDAQ in which Obama called subprime lending "a good idea." But that is a distortion, for Obama complained that lenders ruined what had been a good idea when they "began to lower their standards" and engaged in "unscrupulous" practices.

By accusing Obama of "bad judgment," the senator from Arizona is trying to meld doubts about his opponent's Democratic allies and a Chicago acquaintance who engaged in terrorism nearly 40 years ago. But the Ayers attack may have less resonance at a time when the sinking economy is dominating the news.

By Web Politics Editor  |  October 10, 2008; 11:13 AM ET
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Comments

Bill,

You're right about projection- Ad hominem is a problem.
You've never answered one question I've posted to you.

Good bye Patriot?

Posted by: sciengr | October 13, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
"A little history on your man, McLame, read it if you got the balls..."

You call balls reading a reference?......
McLame? Pathetic. Your Rolling Stone reference is a "he said this, the other said that" diatribe. Here a quote from the comment section:
"This magazine should be ashamed of itself. Please tell me when you are going to write your story on Barack Obama and his connections to terrorist organizations??? or his illegal dealings"

References to a tabaloid next?

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
Your ad hominem comments are beyond the pale, and I've yet to see the degree of disrespect, anger, and hate you show toward the country and those who served in the military. I'll quote some of your remarks for others to see your incredible hate and anger:

RE America:
"We live under a set of rules written by outlaws"

The race card:
"Bill, you are definitely a racist. Why is a man's color a factor in your view of him?" I ask you to quote what I said that indicated that, you could not.

Ad hominem:
"that warped stew of biochemistry you call a brain"

Knocking me as a wartime veteran:
"don’t include yourself as one that fought for the values of this country because you were in the military. You’ve already shown your true colors and they’re not RED, WHITE and BLUE"

Deviousness in defense of Obama's associates:
I requested you quote (with reference) what Obama explained about Ayers, other than he was just a guy in the neighborhood. You gave this, nothing to do with Obama:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/keatingvideo

Your self-definition needs no further help from me.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 13, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

A little history on your man, McLame, read it if you got the balls...

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain


Posted by: sciengr | October 13, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Bill,

Projection, good point I am mad, at the way people like you exhibit self-righteousness faced with the devastating effect your beliefs, policies and decisions have had on the country.

Anti-American-
Your definition of a “real” American is someone that agrees with your position of who should lead and how the country should be run. I'm still betting you voted for Bush both times and only now turning of him because his policies have failed, its quite a statement about your inability to judge a man. Bet it’s never crossed your mind that you could be wrong again in your judgment about Obama? No, that takes self examination of your past failures.

Your Accusations-
I've never accused you of being anti-American because I believe you and I should be able to disagree on the course of this country in the hopes the debate will lead to a better understanding of what's needed but like all conservatives its your way or the highway. I believe the way to build a better America is to identify what isn’t working and build a better America. Apparently, you believe change is bad, if you ran you company like that your products would be obsolete and you’d go out of business. Like I said you're quite a Patriot, wear that lapel flag with pride while you trample the rights of other citizens and accuse them of being anti-American.

False Leadership-
You and your narrow-minded cohort have lost the right to lead. I truly hope we start criminal proceeding against those responsible. It’s all most comical, the majority worn American flags on their lapels. Watch the movie “Blazing Saddles” sometime and see yourself as one of the bigots. You failed as protectors of this country, time for you to ride your horses into the sunset and let a new generation of cowboys lead.

False Symbols of Patriots-
The Nazis were big on symbolism like the lapel flag. They also accused those that disagreed with them as against the Fatherland and suppressing anyone that didn't look like them. Their policies ultimately destroyed Germany, scary parallel to what the Republican and Conservative camps have done to America leading us into Socialism and Nationalizing Company’s. Its confusing maybe you can explain should we call all of you…..Comrade or Fuhrer?

With the curtain coming down, how’s that warped stew of biochemistry you call a brain functioning. I’m guessing as you watch your power slip away it must be like the final days of the Reich. Your hubris is treasonous to the original intent of this country and don’t include yourself as one that fought for the values of this country because you were in the military. You’ve already shown your true colors and they’re not RED, WHITE and BLUE.


Posted by: sciengr | October 12, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
"All that anger has a negative effect on the brain's structure and probably explains your responses"

PS Projection. Anger at a moral standard beyond your innate limitations.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
"All that anger has a negative effect on the brain's structure and probably explains your responses"

Do you address being anti-American? No, you go ad hominem. That says it all.

"we don't think very highly of the leadership you and your kind have thrust on the country in the past 20 years."

This won't work either. I said Bush was one of the worst things to ever happen to the country.

"The sun is setting on men that think because they fought in a war fifty years ago they have moral superiority or rights above other citizens"

Asumptuous people are just a little short of being fools. Add malevolence and disrespect to that in your case.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain defends rival Obama
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7665238.stm
"US presidential candidate John McCain found himself defending his rival Barack Obama at a Republican Party rally. It happened when one member of the audience gave an incorrect comment on the Democratic presidential candidate's background."

Posted by: old_hippie | October 12, 2008 4:58 AM | Report abuse

Bill,

All that anger has a negative effect on the brain's structure and probably explains your responses, were you always this angry? You've got so many misguided conclusions in our latest response I feel bad for you. I guess the best approach is to forgive you. People like me have the task of rebuilding this country but we don't think very highly of the leadership you and your kind have thrust on the country in the past 20 years.

Do you have any remorse for the economic condition your party has inflicted?

Were you just a mindless supporter that turned a blind eye to the criminal rape of the country's future or did you laugh all the way to the bank?

Republicans and your need for special status are like the British rulers our founding fathers defeated. America is going back in the hands of constitution and bill of rights supporters. The sun is setting on men that think because they fought in a war fifty years ago they have moral superiority or rights above other citizens. I bet you think anyone that doesn't agree with your position is anti-American, that's delusional thinking and not supported by our founding fathers' beliefs.

Never did answer whether you voted for Bush which I assumes means you did....nice job patriot.

Posted by: sciengr | October 11, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

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First I'll respond to your last three posts:

" It's hard to believe you find Obama's association with Ayers to justifies your strong feelings."

An erroneous assumption. There is a *pattern* of Obama associating with questionable people. Ayers (terrorist), Wright (racist and America basher), Rezko (crook). Also, he had a tussle with himself in distancing himself from Wright, saying 'he could no more disown him than he could his grandmother, etc'. He also exhibits other wrongheaded characteristics (see below).

" you'd be hard pressed to find someone that has risk as much as me personally pushing the boundaries to create advantages for our country and my employees."

You are the poster child for self-aggrandizing . McCain comes to mind, let alone those who have died in combat serving our country.

" Quote (with reference) what Obama explained other than Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood."

You gave *absolutely* no reference related to Obama, just a blurb about McCain and Keating, where McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing. You do a long post, the first sentence says you offer rebuttal, then you fail to do so. Obviously this is designed to impress most who only read the first line or so of long posts. Clever and devious, a very bad combination.

" Remember our founding fathers were the terrorist of their day, breaking law and fighting what they perceived to be injustices of British rule. We live under a set of rules written by outlaws."

This is clearly anti-American, in a league with Wright and Ayers. I now see why you support Obama who was against wearing a flag pin, and who did not place his hand over his heart while the national anthem was being played.

" you're entertaining."

So are you, in an odd sense of the word. Since you appeared intelligent, I've taken time to do a "case study" on you out of curiosity regarding Obama supporters. Birds of a feather flock together, you know. Listed below are the characteristics you exhibit:

Anti-American. See above.
Irresponsible. You make claims you cannot back up.
Untruthful. You make untrue statements (stated I was a racist, then couldn't offer a reason).
Devious. See above.
Disrespect. You speculate on a woman's personal life.
Impolite. Like Obama calling the reporter "Sweetie".
Of poor moral fiber. See much of the above.
Irredeemable. You're 49 years old, and still into the above.

BOTTOM LINE: Birds of a feather flock together. Always.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 11, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Bill,

You're right there are times I don't exhibit perfect self control and I'm guessing even with your "Military" background you don't either. I challenge you to use your self control to actually question why you're opposed to Obama. It's hard to believe you find Obama's association with Ayers to justifies your strong feelings. What else is going on- racial stereotypes, power shifting to younger generations, fear of increased taxation, losing our guns, help me understand where you're coming from.

Oh and you'd be hard pressed to find someone that has risk as much as me personally pushing the boundaries to create advantages for our country and my employees. I don't sense you're a bad guy, we both want the best for this country. We probably see the needs of the country's future differently.

Posted by: sciengr | October 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Billy,

Quote (with reference) what Obama explained other than Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood. Take your time...

Well let see maybe he is a guy in the neighborhood...and hmm maybe Obama was aware of Ayers' background but he needed help getting a break into politics and as a young man took assistance from any and all while he gain experience about who to associate with. You ever do anything building your business in the early years you wouldn't have done when you got established? I want to remind you of something while Ayers acts were criminal, the government at that time also was acting criminally. Two wrongs don't make a right but 'm not going to judge Ayers as a traitor, his intent as a patriot could have been real in his mind. I've never heard he did his bombings for money or personal gain. The government at that time falsified the reason for war just like Bush/Chenney did. I regret not standing up more aggressively against the Iraq invasion, I thought the evidence of WMDs was BS and my favorite generals in the Pentagon thought so too. It was very disheartening to see those brilliant minds quit the services because of the Rummy's mafia. Remember our founding fathers were the terrorist of their day, breaking law and fighting what they perceived to be injustices of British rule. We live under a set of rules written by outlaws.

I had the following sent to me earlier today by my Chairman. Watch the following video about McCain's activities and it isn't a farce, it based on swore testimony-

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/keatingvideo

Obama/Biden don't have any thing as incriminating as this or the just released report on Palin's abuse of power in Alaska. Like you said support the lessor of evils.

Posted by: sciengr | October 11, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Don't leave Bill you're entertaining.

Posted by: sciengr | October 11, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
You appear to have retired for the night.
I'll check in tomorrow.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 11, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

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To elaborate, a discipline of oneself, a certain self-control that allows respect for one's fellow man. An attitude that shows respect without much being said.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 11, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

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"Why"

Military teaches a certain discipline, if you will, that you appear to lack.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 11, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

No I wasn't in the Armed Forces but I work with the Pentagon and Homeland Security developing technology for our forces and security. My luck of the draw at 49, I passed through a period without a major conflict. Why?

Posted by: sciengr | October 11, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

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Nothing you quote indicates racism. You have severe comprehension problems. Now respond to the second item:

Quote (with reference) what Obama explained other than Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood. Take your time...

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 11, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

"Quote verbatim what I said to indicate that, cowboy. You cannot."

I think you stated your position quite accurately-

"Also his muslim heritage causes many to wonder about muslim ties. His base of support is blacks, die-hard democrats, and many young who think he is hip and cool. This says more than anything I can say."

I think you've done a good job saying what you feel, surprised that you hide behind "many wonder" , that'd be you and a decreasing minority in this country.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
"What's your fear that Obama is a secret agent for the the bad guys ready to undermine the very fabric of America. The guys in the White House have done a great job sending us on a path to destroying what I try to protect about this country. Did you vote for Bush both times?"

You sure have a thing about fear.. Bush is one of the worst things that ever happened to the country. Why not just answer the question? Also were you in the Armed Forces?

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

What's your fear that Obama is a secret agent for the the bad guys ready to undermine the very fabric of America. The guys in the White House have done a great job sending us on a path to destroying what I try to protect about this country. Did you vote for Bush both times?

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
"I must be getting late for you"

I see english your second language.

"Answer this hoss, why is a man's color a factor in your view of him?"

Quote verbatim what I said to indicate that, cowboy. You cannot.

"Obama has answered it numerous times but you just won't accept there isn't enough there to hang him so you keep pounding on."

Quote (with reference) what Obama explained other than Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood. Take your time...


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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Billy,

Answer this hoss, why is a man's color a factor in your view of him?

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Billy,

Obama has answered it numerous times but you just won't accept there isn't enough there to hang him so you keep pounding on. It appears to be the only thing you can focus on. Like I said earlier I'm an independent and I actually investigated the two sets of candidates and the Obama/Biden ticket is cleaner and better ready to help this country now.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Billy,

I must be getting late for you.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
"you say what you say out of a blind belief in what other people tell you and your fear"

I'm too old to fear much of anything, cowboy. Just answer this simple question, please:
Why doesn't Obama explain his relations with Ayers?

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
"I called you a racist"

Now if Obama is not your man,
His supporters all have this plan.
They'll jump in the fray
You're a racist they say,
While yelling "oh yes we can".


Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Billy

You're confused,I called you a racist and someone that spreads false information. That doesn't qualify you as a liar, that's too strong, you say what you say out of a blind belief in what other people tell you and your fear. Let's assume for a moment that you could put the racial fear aside and investigate the accusations against Obama as I have, you won't be so what caught up in what your being told.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

DemocracyRules

Voting against your party or with your party is no test of how smart to "mavericky" you are. Voting for what is right no matter the party does.

Everyone agrees that the Republican policies of borrow and spend were bad for this country. Republicans and Democrats would both have been smart to vote against those Republican policies.

Sending this country to war on threat that Iraq had nuclear weapons was Republican policy that both parties should have voted against. The French and Germans were smart enough to not get involved. We end up sending 95% of the troops to Iraq because the international community voted against Republican policy.

We are spending $10,000,000,000.00 a week in Iraq because not enough congressmen had the balls to vote against Republican policies.

Nearly 4200 American soldiers are dead and their families morn because we didn't vote against Republican policies. The American people re-elected Bush even after they discovered he was inept.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 10, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
"you are definitely a racist and if that mean you call me a liar, it must be an age thing I hear McCain calls people that too"

You called me a liar first, cowboy. Looks like my post got to you, and you elect to continue name-calling. That says it all about you. Too bad.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Dear Siengr,
As it relates to HUD, I am sure I can do a better job, than they have done. Our economic crisis could of been prevented last October, when the commercial paper market was losing confidence. It took our FED more than a year to recognize the extent of our problem and the amount of leverage that has been created in our financial system. CDS market today is $64 trillion, the World GDP is close to that number.

I said it more than a year ago and I will say it again. The only way to solve the crisis is to purchase (selectively) defaulted homes (McCain has announced something similar to that). So much leverage has been created on top of these properties that buying one defaulted home could cure millions of bonds tied into the performance of these property. During Great Depression they did purchased defaulted homes (thought back then we did not have so much leverage). The government did not loose money on it.

As for comparing McCain to Bush, it is a very weak argument. By the same token, I can say that Obama is the second term of Jimmy Carter, when mortgage rates were at 18% and unemployment was very high. McCain did not vote with Bush 10% of the time, but Obama voted against his party only 3% of the time. So that argument is also weak.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

DemocracyRules ---

I am a Democrat. I look at my beautiful house and I am glad I have it. I hope you have a beautiful house too.

Point is, McSame and Bush are both morons and they have the transcripts to prove it. Voting for McBush would be a disservice to this great country.

Again, as a Christian father and husband, I have not respect for how McCain handled his first wife and children. Ronald and Nancy fell out with him over the adultery and divorce. That's substance. That's something he DID, not who he knows.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 10, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

DemocracyRules-

That's another amazing observation, you managed to boil two men down to a simple sentence, we owe you for that insight. In fact I think McCain should talk to you about heading up Housing and Urban Development. With such insight it would be a shame for you not be recognized.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

This is the difference between Obama and McCain:

WHEN A DEMOCRAT LOOKS AT A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, HE THINKS NOBODY SHOULD HAVE ONE, WHEN REPUBLICAN LOOKS AT A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, HE THINKS EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE ONE.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Billw3 ---

I see. So you must live on a block with people of like minds.

Does this "truism" apply to your block?

Posted by: DougH1 | October 10, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

illy Billy,

You like to smell out a liar, find out if Palin is telling the truth.

If you'd had one of your executives tell you his wife had a child and it wasn't true, I bet you'd wonder if you could trust him making decisions for our company.

And another question Big Bill, tell me how you justify Palin and her husband supporting secession of Alaska from the union? There is documented proof of Todd and Sarah's involvement. Where is your proof that Obama is a threat to this country? That's right...you have none, just another case of racist feeding lies to the weak minded.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Billy Billy,

You like to smell out a liar, find out if Palin is telling the truth.

If you'd had one of your executives tell you his wife had a child and it wasn't true, I bet you'd wonder if you could trust him making decision for our company.

And another question Big Bill, tell me how you justify Palin and her husband supporting secession of Alaska from the union? There is documented proof of Todd and Sarah's involvement. Where is your proof that Obama is a threat to this country? That's right...you have none, just another case of racist feeding lies to the weak minded.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

The reason I will not vote for Obama (despite my support for Joe Biden) is because I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY A RUSSIAN ROULETTE.

For those of you who understand, no explanation is needed, for those of you who don't, no explanation is possible.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Bill,

Let's take a look at the statement below:

"Now... you call me a racist, well you are a liar"

I'm not sure how I became a liar because that would imply I didn't tell the truth. Your following statement is a mockery of what this country stands for-

"Also his muslim heritage causes many to wonder about muslim ties. His base of support is blacks, die-hard democrats, and many young who think he is hip and cool. This says more than anything I can say."

I didn't realize the support of those groups disqualified someone for President.

Then you reference a story that has what meaning? To demonstrate you're not racist, hell you helped one black kid in your past? And then you turn around and accuse a man that has worked his ass off to get to potentially the highest office in this country while overcoming attitudes like yours at every step. Try saying it to yourself "I am going to vote based on skin color because I live in fear. When look back on your wonderfully successful life story ask yourself why you needed to keep a brilliant black man down with false accusations. Thank god I've got three scholar athletes with the ability to understand their fears before they start attacking and incriminating others.

Bill, you are definitely a racist and if that mean you call me a liar, it must be an age thing I hear McCain calls people that too.


Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

There is apparently no reasoning with some of these people. Where did Stalin come into the conversation? That's ridiculous. You can't compare an anti-Vietnam protestor who went too far to a man who killed millions!And then to somehow say Obama supports any of it? You are full of vicious, bigoted rhetoric yourself and your ingnorance comes blaring out every time you submit a post. I suggest you dig out the racism that has infected you, your soul will thank you.

Posted by: indy_voice | October 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt that both Rev, Write and Ayers (and even Farakkan, etc) have done some good things for their communities. Hitler and Stalin also did some wonderful things for their countries. As a matter of fact, when Stalin died, USSR wept (Almost everybody, especially the young people), thousands were stamped to death, because so many wanted to say good by to him. Today we know the facts, both of these men are mass murders. So do not try to excuse these man just because they have done some good things in their lives. For me anti-white, anti-american, anti-semitic sentiment can not be forgiven. I understand that your ears and eyes are closed. I am afraid than when you do open them it will be too late.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

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DemocracyRules:
"I, however, can blame him for not
objecting to it, but embracing it. Maybe the reason he lives on the same street as Ayer and Farakkan is because he found his comfort zone."

Birds of a feather flock together. Always. It's one of the oldest truisms.


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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

>Obama's mentors, friends, spiritual advisors just scare me

I get where Wright is coming from. Hes just mad as hell about the injustice in our country.


Obama said it best. "The anger is real"


come to think of it. I'll invite Wright over too...

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

>I've been curious to learn more about Bill Ayers. Here's a piece about him in Slate. It speaks volumes against the slanted misrepresentation we're getting from the McCain campaign. Please check it out.

http://www.slate.com/id/2201953

He's a school proffesor for god sake. He was awarded by the city of chicago for best citizen.

The charity board he sat on did things to HELP people. I'll say it again HELP people. Do you people understand that?

When Obama wins the election I'm going to invite Bill Ayers to my house and change my name to a muslim name.

How does that grab all the conservatives here?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

>It is very difficult to tell from this photo if she is pregnant.

No it's not. She isnt 8 months pregnant in the photo. Her suite jacket is straight.

>If she was not pregnant, than people would of known about it.

I think you need to to do more research. There are actually video interview of alaskan news where people were shocked to hear she had a child and stated she didnt look pregnant. Thats a fact.

Did you know her water supposed broke in Texas. Now would an airline or a doctor allow a women in labor to fly 8 hours?

You know the answer.

Do some research.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey all,

I've been curious to learn more about Bill Ayers. Here's a piece about him in Slate. It speaks volumes against the slanted misrepresentation we're getting from the McCain campaign. Please check it out.

http://www.slate.com/id/2201953

Posted by: indy_voice | October 10, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

WHEN THIS COUNTRY PICKED BUSH, IT WAS A MISTAKE, WHEN WE PICK OBAMA, MAKING A MISTAKE WILL BECOME A TREND.

I can never blame a man for the hateful messages of anti-white, anti-American, anti-semitic rhetoric his friends and propagating. I, however, can blame him for not objecting to it, but embracing it. Maybe the reason he lives on the same street as Ayer and Farakkan is because he found his comfort zone.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
"If the dates on the photo are correct, that is really freaky, I sense another Republican neuron storm building. Bill wish to comment?"

I passed up your invitation before, but now I'll respond. Your focus on personal family matters is below even Obama's moral level. He suggested to not do such. You need to clean up your act.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Democracyrules,
can you back up your assertion about Obama's advisors?
I just heard a conservative commentator on the news say that Obama's advisors were remarkably not left-wing.

Who are you talking about and can you really back it up?

And since you say your pro-choice...
do you know that the next president could appoint 3 Supreme Court justices? If McCain gets to do that, you can kiss freedom to choose good-bye.

Posted by: indy_voice | October 10, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain FIT to serve as President, really?

At a rally 2 days ago addressed the people gathered there as "My fellow PRISONERS ... " and went on with his message.

WHAT? "My fellow PRISONERS"??

Senator McCain, Viet-Nam is OVER, you are not in prison anymore. Go have a head check-up, for your own good, and take care of your situation. Please don't put us at risk, either. Please.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 10, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Dear Dano111,
It is very difficult to tell from this photo if she is pregnant. It is also difficult to see when the photo was taken. Irrespective of that, I know plenty of women who did not look pregnant 5 weeks before they delivered (especially when they were wearing a black jacket like the one in the picture). A woman I know delivered 2 kids and gave it up for adoption. Her parents did not know she was pregnant both times, despite the fact that she lived in their house. There were also number of stories on teenagers abandoning their children in the trash and nobody suspected they were pregnant.

Palin was a governor and did not live in a vacuum. If she was not pregnant, than people would of known about it. By the way an Israeli documentary film director was filming her around that time and his movie will be released early next year. If he suspected that she was not pregnant he would of spoken out about it. He was very impressed with her.

For me this election is not about a VP candidate but about the top of the ticket. I might disagree with Palin's harsh stance on abortion (and I will always be pro-choice), but Obama's mentors, friends, spiritual advisors just scare me. His policies of entitlement is not what this great nation is build upon. I have been kicked off from numerous liberal blogs because of my anti-Obama indoctrination stance. Once we curtail freedom of speech, we all lose collectively.

WHEN THE TRUTH BECOMES IRRELEVANT AND THE LOUDEST VOICES WIN, THAT IS WHEN DEMOCRACY FAILS.

I do think Obama will come to power and together with ms. Pelosi they will change this country, FOREVER. I doubt there are many people in this country that were hoping for this kind of change.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The Real McCain: My ambitions first, country last.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print

Posted by: BAC-Independent | October 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

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DougH1"
"The only problem is in 2006 (actually I thought the bill was introduced in 2005) the Republicans had control of and majorities in all of the Senate and House committees. If they wanted a bill to get out of committee they could have voted it out without one Democratic vote. The current Congress is not yet 2 year old. The Democrats didn't take control until January 2007. The election was in November 2006."

I could have been wrong, I'll look it up.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse


sciengr said:

"Bill- I'll be 50 years old in three months. I'm white, a bird hunter, father of boys and the CEO of a company I founded 21 years ago. I have developed many technologies to protect and advance our Country. I have Muslims as friends and have no fear of their religion or the color of any man's skin. You sir are a racist and in no way could you have walked in my journey of life with the lack of courage you and your kind represent. In fact, its as un-American as possible and sounds very European. Go back to school and learn your USA history, our founding fathers were the terrorist of their day and you live under their ideals. If you don't like it find a fascist state to harbor your fears. I'm sure they'll let you spout your views as they cart you to a prison cell."

You ask for it. I'm white and seventy-seven years old. I served in the Marines and 101st Airborne during the Korean war. I own an elecrtonic engineering business, three U.S. Patents, and helped build a business to the second largest of it's type in the nation.

Now... you call me a racist, well you are a liar. A short tale for you (I posted it once before - look it up):

In 1985 a black man came into my electronics business place and ask "You don't recognize me, do you?". I said "Sorry, I don't". He then said "Back in the sixties when I was 14, I came in here drooling over the goodies, and had no money. You ask if I liked music, and I said yes, and we talked a little. You went in the back and got a used amplifier, two speakers, and a turntable. You checked them out, got some wire and showed me how to connect them up and gave them to me. Well, I liked religious music and played it on that set for hours at a time. It got me started in church and today I'm the Pastor in a nice little church over in Philadelphia." Then he put out his hand for a handshake.
I also have a black friend that brings me medicine for a war inflicted would when I am unable to go out for it. He was in Nam, and complained that he was made the point man too often, and it almost got to him. He still has nightmares about such. I apologized best I could for the white lieutenant leading his group.
On the other hand I have called some blacks a—holes, and had them do the same to me. I deal with people on an individual basis. You should try that, it works and you would step in **** less.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

me like macain for pres he pick nice hottie for hang around the oval office and service him if he die we get call girl for pres yay!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 10, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny that the right is worried about "voter fraud" now. What about in 2000 when the Bushies sent thugs to Florida to disrupt the recount? What about 2004 when the Bushies disenfranchised thousands of people illegally and again stole the election...
We don't need fraud to win this one, Obama straight-up!

Posted by: indy_voice | October 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

>"IT IS ENOUPH THAT THE PEOPLE KNOW THERE WAS AN ELECTION. THE PEOPLE WHO CAST THE VOTES DECIDE NOTHING. THE PEOPLE WHO COUNT THE VOTES DECIDE EVERYTHING" - Joseph Stalin

>OBAMA = ACORN = VOTER FRAUD

yeah, that nice and all but:

It's a very simple and direct question. We just want to know why Sarah Palin isnt pregnant in this photo taken 1 month before giving birth. Her baby was allegedly born on April 18, 2008.

Why isnt she near full term pregnancy on March 14, 2008?

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Anyone?

By the Acorn is managed bipartisan. Fraud exists on both sides. Thats a fact.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"IT IS ENOUPH THAT THE PEOPLE KNOW THERE WAS AN ELECTION. THE PEOPLE WHO CAST THE VOTES DECIDE NOTHING. THE PEOPLE WHO COUNT THE VOTES DECIDE EVERYTHING" - Joseph Stalin

OBAMA = ACORN = VOTER FRAUD

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

>I'm so sick of the right crying "terrorist".

the problem is it too late. You cant bring up this nonsense 25 days before an election. It has no merit. No one was worried about 3 months ago.

The McCain campaign admitted they are just trying to change the suject.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick of the right crying "terrorist". It's misleading and slanderous. Do you really think a man could make it as far as Obama has if he "palled around with terrorists"? It's the right that has consistently had associations with the despicable characters of this world, including Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. Ever seen the picture of Rumsfeld, smiling, shaking hands with Saddam? Google it, it's rich. Lonewackjob, you need to learn your history.

Posted by: indy_voice | October 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

>Ok, Palin is not the mother of that child. Its probably the child of her daughter. Ok.

Are kidding me? This will end the McCain campaign. The is a bombshell.

She lied to the American people! What about character? Thats all conservatives want to talk about?

Hypocracy!!!

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

BillW3 wrote ---

"McCain introduced a bill two years ago to look into the looming finance problems. It was defeated in committee by democrats. This
fiasco is not his fault."

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The only problem is in 2006 (actually I thought the bill was introduced in 2005) the Republicans had control of and majorities in all of the Senate and House committees. If they wanted a bill to get out of committee they could have voted it out without one Democratic vote.

The current Congress is not yet 2 year old. The Democrats didn't take control until January 2007. The election was in November 2006.


Posted by: DougH1 | October 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by association is a tactic used in fascist states.....the USA judges people by tangible evidence.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Palin is not the mother of that child. Its probably the child of her daughter. Ok. I dont care. Palin is hiding evidence from the American people about her illegal operation of the governor's office and I care a lot about her similarities to Cheney on that score.
Cheney "lost" the emails about the pre-Iraq WMD lies.

Palin uses Yahoo to avoid freedom of information requests about the governance of the state.

Same thing. Hide and cheat the public from information we have a duty to inspect.

Todd has recently confessed that he is an important part of her government. That's why Palin prevented Todds emails from being reviewed. Now, if Todd is part of the government, and her insider consultant, then his membership in an organization with the stated purpose of ending the union, must be understood.

Besides, she is going to be impeached some day, when the truth is made public about her uses of Yahoo to avoid two state laws.
She also will be known to have directed her staff to use Yahoo and not a secure, backup system. A non-secure system gets you the same nonsense as Cheney is dishing up in the investigation of possible treason in the Iraq war. The evidence just disappears.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

>Bill-

I'll be 50 years old in three months. I'm white, a bird hunter, father of boys and the CEO of a company I founded 21 years ago. I have developed many technologies to protect and advance our Country. I have Muslims as friends and have no fear of their religion or the color of any man's skin. You sir are a racist and in no way could you have walked in my journey of life with the lack of courage you and your kind represent. In fact, its as un-American as possible and sounds very European. Go back to school and learn your USA history, our founding fathers were the terrorist of their day and you live under their ideals. If you don't like it find a fascist state to harbor your fears. I'm sure they'll let you spout your views as >they cart you to a prison cell.

Right on!

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Bill-

I'll be 50 years old in three months. I'm white, a bird hunter, father of boys and the CEO of a company I founded 21 years ago. I have developed many technologies to protect and advance our Country. I have Muslims as friends and have no fear of their religion or the color of any man's skin. You sir are a racist and in no way could you have walked in my journey of life with the lack of courage you and your kind represent. In fact, its as un-American as possible and sounds very European. Go back to school and learn your USA history, our founding fathers were the terrorist of their day and you live under their ideals. If you don't like it find a fascist state to harbor your fears. I'm sure they'll let you spout your views as they cart you to a prison cell.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

You guy want to talk about character instead of the economy fine.

answer the question:

We want to know why Sarah Palin isnt pregnant in this photo taken 1 month before giving birth. Her baby was allegedly born on April 18, 2008.

Why isnt she near full term pregnancy on March 14, 2008?

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

>Howard Kurtz shows two things:...

yeah, that nice and all but:

It's a very simple and direct question. We just want to know why Sarah Palin isnt pregnant in this photo taken 1 month before giving birth. Her baby was allegedly born on April 18, 2008.

Why isnt she near full term pregnancy on March 14, 2008?

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Anyone?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Howard Kurtz shows two things:

1. He's so far in the tank for BHO he's become part of the bottom of the tank.

2. He has no idea what guilt-by-association means.

The fact is that BHO had a long-running relationship with Ayers. He was picked by Ayers to head a group, and they were involved with funding decisions. Pointing that out isn't "guilt-by-association", it's "guilt by collaborating towards the same goals".

BHO now says that he had no idea about Ayers, a self-evidently ludicrous statement. But - even if he's telling the truth (which he isn't) - he continued working with and associating with Ayers years after 2001, when Ayers published a recount of his terrorist activities (and was pictured stepping on a U.S. flag).

Here's a summary, including a discussion of other pro-BHO hacks who've tried to lie for BHO:

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/008087.html

And, here's CNN in effect calling hacks like Kurtz and others from the WaPo and the NYT liars:

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/008099.html

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | October 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

>Fascinating, no Republican replying to the question on the date of birth or refuting the photos. Wow, I have to look into this more.

The silence on it is defining. Either she was pregnant on March 14, 2008 or she wasnt. The photo shows no indication of a full-term pregancy.

That means Palin lied and is trying to hide something.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr:
"I'm not afraid of Obama being a threat to this country and anyone that is, well that's for their nightmares, I'm focused on rebuilding this country."

Neither McCain or Obama is ideal, we have the lesser of "too evils" here. McCain has served the country and his record is available, while Obama has mostly promises of his intent, and his choice of associates in the past has been very questionable. Also his muslim heritage causes many to wonder about muslim ties. His base of support is blacks, die-hard democrats, and many young who think he is hip and cool. This says more than anything I can say.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

>The issue with Palin is not whether she was pregnant or not...it's the Nazi-like rallies she's instigating.

I agree her the tenor and motive of her rallies are an issue as well.

Plain stated her baby was born on april 18, 2008. In the photo take March 14, 2008 she wasnt pegnant.

That means she lied and someone else had the baby.

Who was it?....

How old were they when they has it?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The times are too serious to be pulling cheap dirty tricks like this. At home, we've got a heightening economic crisis, credit market frozen, increasing joblessness threatening to undermine the livelihoods of entire towns, people's retirement savings decimated, folks getting thrown out of their homes, and a regulatory framework guided by ideology rather than pragmatism. Overseas, we're fighting two wars, an increasingly belligerent Iran, a resurgent Russia eager to reassert it's influence on the former soviet bloc (and now Venezuela), Ukraine destabilized, China rising, and North Korea once again stepping out of line, our alliances strained due to our unilateralism..the global tectonic plates are shifting, with the balance of power and peace hanging on a thread. Folks, we are not just talking about terrorism here, the global power structure DEPENDS on a strong US, any minor tip in this balance and we'd be looking at a very scary picture..and here we have John McCain playing these dirty totally irrelevant political games, blatantly repeating lies, inciting hate in the electorate, beating the drums of war, destabilizing the markets with his political maneuvers, appointing an extremist running mate who knows NOTHING about the economy and the world a 72-year old heartbeat away from presidency, and dividing the country along choices (guns, race, abortion, religion, left-right) that are TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to this new and very threatening environment, and having absolutely no solid plans to get us out of it. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I cannot believe that John McCain is STILL not interested in challenging Obama's plans, and presenting to the American public why his plans are PRACTICALLY superior or relevant to the current environment, or show us how they are actually viable. He has not explained ow his approach is a significantly different approach to the failures of the last 8 years. His healthcare plan is a farce, taxing my health benefits to give me a healthcare tax credit that will not buy me even a bare bones healthcare plan, his tax plan is unsustainable and rewards those who don't need it, he has absolutely no solid ideas for our recovery plans, he has offered no answers on how he is going to pay for the buyout of these bad loans, is spending freeze of 18 billion will not even come close to paying for his tax cuts AND his $300 billion idea to pay for his home owner bailout 'plan', and absolutely no transition plan for when he assumes power so he can get to work on day one (he felt winning the election was more important than planning ahead), and he shows the underlying influence of special interests in his proposed plans and his past judgment, and his foreign policy positions have been PROVEN wrong consistently, with his war mongering rhetoric is getting increasingly aggressive...and NOW THIS???!!! YOU CAN HIRE EXPERIENCE, AND YOU CAN BUY KNOWLEDGE, BUT IF YOUR MORAL COMPASS IS MISALIGNED YOUR EXPERIENCE IS OF NO USE TO US. Stop telling us you can do it John McCain, TELL US HOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT. It infuriates me the absurdity that this once great man has stooped to. Is he THIS out of touch with reality? We need a serious president, with a steady and even temperament, who is willing to listen to EVERYONE and come up with solutions that work for ALL OF US. We need a president who is highly intelligent, with a moral compass pointing true north to our interests, who helps the nation focus on what we have in common, not how we are different...we need a president who understands that issues should lie at the foundation of political criticism, not baseless associations focused on dominating the next news cycle with attacks. We need someone whose inner circle of influence is not tainted by special interests and lobbyists, who has the highest probability of reforming Washington, so we can take america back. We need someone who understands the new world order, and who understands that war is but ONE tactic, along with intelligence, diplomatic and economic leverage in our overall strategy to counter our foreign policy challenges today. We need a president who is a calming voice in this cacophony of chaos, who calls out to the best within all of us to lead us out of this hole we've dug ourselves into, not divide us and calls on our hate. We need a President who is a pragmatist, who has been consistent, with judgment that is guided by good nature rather than a thirst for power. We need someone with new ideas, and a new approach to change our course in history. ENOUGH WITH THIS PETTY HATE MONGERING, THE TIMES ARE TOO SERIOUS FOR THIS KIND OF NONSENSE. I DON'T CARE IF HE IS BLACK, BLUE OR PURPLE, AND I DONT CARE IF HE IS PRO OR ANTI ABORTION, LIKES GUNS OR HATES THEM, LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE...I JUST CARE THAT HE IS RIGHT, RELEVANT FOR THE CHALLENGES WE NOW FACE. The dirty voter suppression and caging efforts of 2004 and 2000 are very much underway and already making huge impacts across all the swing states, we are now facing the possibility of THOUSANDS of obama voters getting turned away on election day, and the campaigning is only going to get more hateful. Do not believe the polls. Obama may seem ahead, but they could steal it again unless we SHOW UP IN FORCE AND GET OUR PAPERWORK STRAIGHT. We cannot let them steal it again, the ramifications are very grave.

Posted by: andytoh | October 10, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

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mvaney:
"I assume that you apply this to McCain's failure to defend policies that have resulted in a ten-trillion dollar debt and a economic meltdown (not to mention his own questionable actions)"

McCain introduced a bill two years ago to look into the looming finance problems. It was defeated in committee by democrats. This fiasco is not his fault.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The issue with Palin is not whether she was pregnant or not...it's the Nazi-like rallies she's instigating. It's her Bush-like arrogance and lack of curiousity. It's her almost complete lack of familiarity with the issues that are destroying this country. As such, her selection by McCain is staggering...talk about "blind ambition."

Posted by: indy_voice | October 10, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Folks, the Titanic is sinking and all that McSame can talk about is how bad the paint job is on the deck.

America needs leadership. Everyday McBush continues this line of attack, his poll numbers continue to decline.

He is trying to defend 6 states that the GWB won twice. Obama is ahead in all of the Kerry states.

If times, weren't so serious, as an Obama supporter, I would say, keep up that line of attack. But we need to come together as a country now.

Put forward some worthy policies and compete on those. Stop the crap.


Posted by: DougH1 | October 10, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Fascinating, no Republican replying to the question on the date of birth or refuting the photos. Wow, I have to look into this more.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

It's very simple and direct question. We just want to know why Sarah Palin isnt pregnant in this photo taken 1 month before giving birth. Her baby was allegedly born on April 18, 2008.

Why isnt she near full term pregnancy on March 14, 2008?

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Anyone?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad our national discourse, at a time like this, is being dragged into the mud by right-wing crazies.
Our choice here: an old military man corrupted by 26 years as a Senator or a young, incredibly smart leader with solid ideas. I'm sure the right-wingers will reject this argument as some kind of elitist, Euro-friendly bit, but the whole world wants Obama!

Posted by: indy_voice | October 10, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Want to talk about character? McKain CHEATED ON HIS 1st WIFE!!!!

When he came back from Vietnam the Maverick's previously beautiful wife had been disfigured in an automobile accident. Instead of caring and loving for her he dropped her for another beauty queen(while still married). That is CHACRACTER.
His first wife doesn't talk about what a jerk he is because he pays for all of her medical bills.

Posted by: teseogoat | October 10, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

If the dates on the photo are correct, that is really freaky, I sense another Republican neuron storm building. Bill wish to comment?

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Bill,
Obama isn't my hero, in fact I don't have any heros. I believe everyone does the best they can in the moment of a decision. Its just my belief that John doesn't have the marbles or the much vaulted morals everyone on your side claims to make the right decisions. I also don't believe Palin has anywhere near the brain power or knowledge base to be our President. On these two points I'm sure we disagree. I'm not afraid of Obama being a threat to this country and anyone that is, well that's for their nightmares, I'm focused on rebuilding this country.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

We are in a recession headed for depression and all McCain can talk about is whether Obama was truthful about how long he has known this Bill Ayers guy.

Obama went before Chicago's editorial board and answered all of their questions before he began the primaries.

I wish Republican's would stop voting for the bottom of the intellectual barrel and start nominating some smart people.

They've elected GWB, twice. The villiage idiot that has presided over an unnecessary war and perhaps the collapse of our economy.

Now we nominate an intellectual all-star and they want to disqualify him base on who he sat on a board with.

This stinks. Let's get serious about this before we elect another idiot.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 10, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

It's very simple and direct question really. We just want to know why Sarah Plain claims that her baby was born on April 18, 2008.

(2008 not 2006)

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Fairly typical Obama supporter response. You cannot defend your hero's action, so you attack me personally. The true mark of losing an argument."

Agreed! I assume that you apply this to McCain's failure to defend policies that have resulted in a ten-trillion dollar debt and a economic meltdown (not to mention his own questionable actions). So he has entirely resorted to negative ads. The true mark of losing an argument, indeed.

Posted by: mvaney | October 10, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

>Everyone we need to step back and give the Republicans a chance, we've asked a lot of them and we've obviously cause some sort of delay maybe their calling in the >calvary.

It's very simple and direct question really. We just want to know why Sarah Plain claims that her baby was born on April 18, 2006.

Why isnt she full near term pregnant on March 14, 2008?

THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN ON MARCH 14TH, 2008 - 1 MONTH BEFORE SHE ALLEGEDLY GAVE BIRTH! SHE IS CLEARLY NOT PREGNANT!!!

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Anyone?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm white, middle-aged, Jewish, a businessman, a musician, a family man, an avid reader, and, first and foremost, a patriotic American.

[and I don't wear silly flag pins or attach stupid magnetic ribbons on my car]

I can't WAIT for Barack HUSSEIN Obama to become our 44th President!

I believe it is absolutely necessary to save our country from financial collapse, from the most inhuman form of capitalism on earth, from the suffocating mediocrity and small-mindedness of "mainstream" America, and from the creeping entropy and eventual irrelevance of the American Paradigm.

And I'm not saying this lightly, without careful consideration - after all, it is the Yom Kippur!

Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Everyone we need to step back and give the Republicans a chance, we've asked a lot of them and we've obviously cause some sort of delay maybe their calling in the calvary. I'm going to relax my tone, this has been educational but at the same time this is critical for the recovery of our country. So I recommend we be a little kinder we're not like them and we want them to rejoin us in the rebuilding. We shouldn't beat them when their down.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

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sciengr re Obama not responsing to his association with Ayers:

"Damn, Bill were you on one of those hanging judge's juries, with logic like that I bet you're a reliable guilty vote.
This is entertaining stuff, you need to write a book on Republican logic."

Fairly typical Obama supporter response. You cannot defend your hero's action, so you attack me personally. The true mark of losing an argument.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

>Funny where have all the Republicans gone, to get a six pack or have they passed out.

No, there all looking at this photo of Sara Palin with their jaws on the ground.

THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN ON MARCH 14TH, 2008 - 1 MONTH BEFORE SHE ALLEGEDLY GAVE BIRTH! SHE IS CLEARLY NOT PREGNANT!!!

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree it appears McCain is really deteriorating quickly. I've realize, the McCain I believed in 5 to 10 years ago was a PR campaign image and its unwinding with investigation. Too bad for him, he could have rode off in to the sunset with a great name, his hubris has killed that.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

>Funny where have all the Republicans gone, to get a six pack or have they passed out.

It is funny. I've been challenging somone for six weeks to answer a simple question and not 1 McCain supporter can yet.

I want a McCain/Palin supporter to tell us why she isnt pregnant in these photos when she would have to be end of term if she gave birth on April 18, 2008.

WHY ISN"T SARAH PALIN AT LEAST 7 MONTHS PREGNANT IN THIS PUBLIC GOVERNORS PHOTO TAKEN IN FEBRUARY 2008?

http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/2008Meeting.htm (Feb, 2008) Click "view larger photo".

THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN ON MARCH 14TH, 2008 - 1 MONTH BEFORE SHE ALLEGEDLY GAVE BIRTH! SHE IS CLEARLY NOT PREGNANT!!!

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9


Why can anyone answer this?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

John McCain will do anything except make sense in a level headed way appropriate for a presidential candidate. I half expect him to start flinging feces at his opponents any day now.

Hey, John! How about the world financial collapse you and "King George the Worst" have helped to cause? How about "leadership" - ever hear of that as a strategy?

The thought of McCain in the white house is not that he will be "more of the same". McCain is emotionally unstable and likely to be worse than Bush has been. And policies? Well, that depends on which moment's impulsive comments of his you want to reference. Does he actually have policies? - or only petty accusations and character assassinations?

He's coming unwound! Don't let him anywhere near the white house! And, definitely don't ever let him get his finger on the red button for national defense!

Posted by: sanityvoice2 | October 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Funny where have all the Republicans gone, to get a six pack or have they passed out.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

And no double standards.
She was not a card carrying member of the AIP, and neither was Obama a card carrying member of The Weather Underground.

The difference is that SHE SPOKE, AS AN ADULT, AT THEIR CONVENTIONS, LAST YEAR!!!! whereas Obama was six years old when Ayers was in the Weather Underground.

No double standards about Palin+AIP, and Obama+Ayers.

Posted by: franglais | October 10, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

That's right, EARLIER THIS YEAR Ms Palin addressed a group who admires a man who, before dying in a freak plastics explosives accident, said that.

Volger, the former leader of AIP got blown up by plastic explosives in the early '90's.
And Todd Palin was in the group for several years.

And Sarah has spoken several times at their conventions.

Conventions calling for the secession of Alaska from the US.

How very patriotic.

For the naysayers, here's just one of many videos on youtube, showing HER SPEAKING AT THE CONVENTION:

Sarah Palin palling around with secessionists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

If you type palin+AIP+convention on youtube, you'll get a ton of clips showing her there, PRAISING THEIR "GOOD WORK."

Posted by: franglais | October 10, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Billw3,

Damn, Bill were you on one of those hanging judge's juries, with logic like that I bet you're a reliable guilty vote.

"This in itself makes Obama appear a liar about his relationship with Ayers."

This is entertaining stuff, you need to write a book on Republican logic.

.

Posted by: Billw3

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I want a McCain/Palin supporter to tell us why she isnt pregnant in these photos when she would have to be end of term if she gave birth on April 18, 2008.

WHY ISN"T SARAH PALIN AT LEAST 7 MONTHS PREGNANT IN THIS PUBLIC GOVERNORS PHOTO TAKEN IN FEBRUARY 2008?

http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/2008Meeting.htm (Feb, 2008) Click "view larger photo".

THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN ON MARCH 14TH, 2008 - 1 MONTH BEFORE SHE ALLEGEDLY GAVE BIRTH! SHE IS CLEARLY NOT PREGNANT!!!

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

Anyone????

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Watching the Wisconsin angry mob in TV last night finally convinced me that this is the end for McCain. It is evident that they can no longer control the campaign and it has lost it's direction. All that was missing from that scene were white sheets and pointed hoods. If I was an independent and undecided voter, I sure would run away as fast as possible.

Posted by: FLvoter1 | October 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Truth about McCain and computers. Computer software can provide audio services that allow a speaker to 'type'.
Therefore McCain's inability to use a computer is related to other factors, not his arms and hands. Those factors are the ability to learn. People of age 72 cannot learn new things as easily as people 46 can. Ask your grandfather. Ask your dad. Ask your mother.
Ask your grandmother. If you are 70, tell your grandchildren the truth about learning new things when you are 70.

A man's McCain's wealth COULD use an audio equipped computer, but a man of 72 cannot learn new things easily.
McCain depends on others to generate his ideas. The housing scam to give $300 billion to reimburse banks for the loss in value of ALL THE HOMES IN AMERICA is one such idea. US taxdollars would be spent to the tune of $300 billion and the tax payers get NOTHING in return. Anyone can see that McCain's priorities are not about the common man. If he wants to help the common man, he could buy up the houses that they already lost due to not being able to pay the adjustable rates and give them to the people who lost their homes. Why doesnt that occur to him but giving the money to banks does?
Its the principle of the thing. Why hasnt he learned modern computer technology? He doesnt really care.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

>The world is troubled by terrorists, we would not need a leader who has connections with Ayers, a terrorist.

You fool. Thats why Obama wants to send in more troops to defeat terrorists in afganastan because he is connected to terrorists?

(yawn) the GOP base talking to the GOP base.

You guys are such sheep. McCain says ayers and you all fall in line.

Where where you all 3 months ago? I dont remember talking about Ayers then? You know it a roose to change subject. We know it too.

So do the polls!

The only thing that is coming form this, is McCain is sinking his campaign because the anger, devision, roose and racisim has become the story. hahahahaha!!!!

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

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MarkInAustin:
" "The One" is too busy making his case to the American people about what he envisions for the future"

Well, he and/or his campaign people do have time to denounce McCain as an angry person for bringing it up. This in itself makes Obama appear a liar about his relationship with Ayers.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Isnt that kind of hard for McCain to do? I mean that would make he and his wife both guilty for associating with Charles Keating.Cindi McCain was still in pardnership with Keating until 1998!!
Geez,those republicans will try anything,and lie about everything!!You can tell they are getting worried!!No wonder,Obama's kickin their A**!!

Posted by: realtexan | October 10, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The recent lack of rants from Republicans means one of couple possibilities_

1) They're watching my suggested link-
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/keatingvideo

2) Building a response or

3) Confused

I'm sure its hard to see through their GOP conditioned responses but I have hope all men and women can eventually put two and two together it just takes time, sometime the recovery time is measured in blocks of years.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Also Mr. Kurtz, in your analysis, how could you not mention that John McCain's campaign manager's personal firm received lobbying money from Freddie Mac, through August.

This makes all of McCain's statements hypocritical and toothless, wouldn't you say?

Apparently the last 2 years Mr. Davis' firm received money for doing....what? Giving access to McCain? We want answers.

John McCain's Fannie Flak
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/john-mccains-fannie-flak.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 10, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Palin will end up being impeached when all is said and done.

Her use of Yahoo to do state business will be her undoing.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 10, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain, you solicited donations and an endorsement from Leonore Annenberg (one of the 100 former ambassadors endorsing you).

It was her foundation that put what you call "a domestic terrorist" on the board of the Annenberg Foundation, with Barack Obama.

According to your logic, why are you announcing that you are proud to be endorsed by, and accepting money from, somebody who gives a position of prominence to terrorists?

What do we know about the real John McCain?

Or is it that you are just a complete hypocrite with no standards, no moral compass, and not a single shred of decency?

I have the answer right here:

Why John McCain's Campaign Tactics Make Him Unfit To Lead"
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccain-shafts-taxpayers-on-revised.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 10, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is being supported by Communists. Tran Trong Duyet, the former head of the notorious Hoa Lo prison aka "Hanoi Hilton," has endorsed McCain.

What did they talk about during John McCain's five year stay in communist North Vietman? What is their relationship? Where have they been meeting in the years since the Vietman war? All these facts are very curious.

It is apparent that McCain has not been been truthful about the full extent of his relationship with Tran Trong Duyet. What is McCain hiding?

John McCain has some explaining to do the American people - and he better do it fast. Otherwise the communist terrorist label on McCain is going to stick. Also, many POWs managed to suffer in silence. Only John McCain provided propaganda to the communists. That's treason. Treasonous commie sympathizer.
That's McCain. the commie tendencies can be seen in his latest plan to take tax money from citizens and reimburse banks for the past value of their mortgages they hold. No citizen will see a penny. The entire $300 billion goes to the banks.
McCain's new socialist housing bailout plan amazes conservatives.
McCain: commie or a socialist? We wonder now.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is being supported by Communists. Tran Trong Duyet, the former head of the notorious Hoa Lo prison aka "Hanoi Hilton," has endorsed McCain.

What did they talk about during John McCain's five year stay in communist North Vietman? What is their relationship? Where have they been meeting in the years since the Vietman war? All these facts are very curious.

It is apparent that McCain has not been been truthful about the full extent of his relationship with Tran Trong Duyet. What is McCain hiding?

John McCain has some explaining to do the American people - and he better do it fast. Otherwise the communist terrorist label on McCain is going to stick. Also, many POWs managed to suffer in silence. Only John McCain provided propaganda to the communists. That's treason. Treasonous commie sympathizer.
That's McCain. the commie tendencies can be seen in his latest plan to take tax money from citizens and reimburse banks for the past value of their mortgages they hold. No citizen will see a penny. The entire $300 billion goes to the banks.
McCain's new socialist housing plan amazes the conseravatives.
Maverick or a socialist? We wonder now.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

One of my very favorite aspects of this election is the payback FOX News is getting.

All the years of GOP bias, distortion, misquoting, racial inuendo, favoritism, etc.

I cant wait, I simply cant wait to watch Hannity and O'Rilley rot themselves from inside out from seething when Obama becomes president and the country ideology and policy swings left.

I cant wait.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

So since McCain was Living, having meals, and daily disscussions with the North Vietnamese and there Communist ways. Does this mean john mccain is a communist.

Oh wait a minute he was part of the New World Order Organazation which was financed by Communist.

It all makes sense now, because Palin can see communist from her house.

Posted by: ccrowley | October 10, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Economy Failing...
Campaign is Laughable
peeeuuu Palin is pathetic...

And the cemetary dirt is being spread over the Palin/McCain ticket.

McCaint, as chairman of the Indian Affairs Committee, at a hearing in 2005 to examine accusations of misconduct made by six Indian tribes against their former lobbyist, Jack Abramoff.

McCaint supported tax breaks for casinos over the years, including one that helped Foxwoods in Connecticut. He has also gambled there.

A lifelong gambler, McCaint takes risks, both on and off the craps table.

As we can tell with peeeuuu Palin...a pathetic pick for VP

Mr. McCain was betting at a casino he oversaw as a member of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, and he was doing so with the lobbyist who represents that casino, according to three associates of McCaint.

The visit had been arranged by the lobbyist, Scott Reed, who works for the Mashantucket Pequot, a tribe that has contributed heavily

McCaint’s campaigns and built Foxwoods into the world’s second-largest casino.

Joining them was Rick Davis, McCaint’s current campaign manager.

Their night of good fortune epitomized not just McCaint’s affection for gambling, but also the close relationship he has built with the gambling industry and its lobbyists during his 25-year career in Congress.

Mob Connections is Arizona...
The car-bomb murder of a top reporter at the Arizona Republic named Don Bolles.

The father of McCaint's wife, James Hensley, was convicted by a federal jury in U.S. District Court of Arizona in March 1948 on seven counts of filing false liquor records.

Hensley also was charged with conspiracy to hide from federal authorities the names of persons involved in a liquor industry racket with two companies he managed, United Sales Company in Phoenix and United Distributors in Tucson.

The umbrella company, United Liquor, at that time held a monopoly in Arizona, organized and managed by Kemper Marley, who was accused of mob ties by a reporter who was murdered in 1977.

Silverman and Dougherty report that by 1955, Hensley had launched a Budweiser distributorship in Phoenix, "a franchise reportedly bestowed upon him by Marley, who was never indicted in the 1948 liquor-law-violation case – or a subsequent one – despite his controlling role in the liquor distribution businesses."

According to Marley's longtime public relations man, Al Lizanetz, the Marley liquor empire was founded by the Bronfman family dynasty of Canada which operated Allied Finance Company, Northern Export Company and Distillers Corporation – the Seagrams, Ltd. empire.

As chronicled by the "Rumrunners and Prohibition" video shown popularly on the History Channel, during the 1920s, the Bronfman family made millions in bootlegging, accounting for half the illegal liquor crossing the border, working in a profitable distribution deal with the infamous mobster Meyer Lansky, who later moved on to establish the crime syndicates in the casinos of Havana, Cuba, in the 1940s and 50s.

Arizona in the 1970s drew a "who's who" of organized crime figures seeking to retire in the sun, including Rochester, N.Y., mob boss Joe Bonanno, who spent his last days along the Lake Havasu shores and in a quiet home in Tucson.

In 1977, after Arizona Republic reporter Don Bolles was killed when his car was blown up by the mob in a parking lot, a team of 36 journalists from 27 news organizations, known as IRE, published an 80,000 word 23-part series on organized crime in Arizona.

Dan Nowicki and Bill Muller, reporting in the Arizona Republic March 1, 2007, documented that in 1953, Hensley was again charged with falsifying records at Marley's liquor firms.

Hensley was found not guilty after being defended by William Rehnquist, the future chief justice of the Supreme Court, Nowicki and Muller wrote.

Ms Marylin Shannon
and her ultra far right Oregon's Citizens Alliance.

"He spoke at their convention and had kind words for an anti-abortionist activist who is a member who shot a doctor in both arms and bombed abortion clinics in Kansas. McCaint stated "She's a fine lady".

Yea.... republicans should be angry.....

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 10, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

This is the most assinine thing the Mccain campaign can come up with. Ask the question/ Should we first run a character check, criminal background check. or credit check on someone before we meet them? or even after we met them even though we have no reason to? If we are introduced to someone who is a University Professor what justification do we have to first do all the checks, criminal background, Credit, character, etc. Mccain should be critizing the University for hiring the person and vesting him, and also criticize the University of South Carolina and all other universities that Ayers have been invited to make academic contributions to. Then he ( John Mccain) who professes that he belives in Jesus Christ, should condem him (as he did Rod Parseley and John Hagee,) for providing redemption to man. and then his accusation of Obama may have some jsutification>

Posted by: samiaelsberesford | October 10, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Billw3, but "The One" is too busy making his case to the American people about what he envisions for the future. Only Republican partisans care the truth.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 10, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

For all you Republican ranters, if you have the courage watch the following video on your proposed leadership and don't just close your eyes when it doesn't match your hoped for reality.

Why don't you research the facts of this video and come back to us with an explanation.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/keatingvideo

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

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. . .TO GATOR-RON . . .

Would you please advise if you know if Obama *himself* has explained his association with Ayers other than saying "Ayers is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know." ? TIA

Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

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Gator-ron:
"There has been a decrease in civility at McCain rallies in the past week. This incivility is correlated with his own level of incivility"

You use the old ploy of attacking the messenger. Until Obama *himself* explains his relationship with Ayers, McCain has every right to ask for that explanation. Also, the voters need to know If Obama lied by saying Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood. Lying about a relationship with an unrepentent terrorist is about as bad as it gets for a Presidential candidate.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

There has been a decrease in civility at McCain rallies in the past week. This incivility is correlated with his own level of incivility. Does the McCain campaign think that there is a yearning for disrespectful behavior. McCain seems to think it will work for him. Maybe I do not understand the mood in this country but I thought cooperation was desired. Maybe this will work but it seems to me to be having the opposite effect.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 10, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

When I left the Republican party in the 80s I've watch with fascination the decline of intellectual capability in the Republican party and it appears to be accelerating. As an independent voter, I must say I'm intrigued and entertained with the illogic from the Republican side- A classic from this morning:

OBAMA is ACORN. THEREFORE, ACORN is FRAUD MEANS OBAMA is FRAUD.

Is is simple?
Yes, it is.

That's a beaut...its amazing how far the GOP has fallen, maybe its an age related issue for their majority. All the sharp people I know left the GOP over the past 20 years and stopped supporting their policies that have declined America. Time for intelligence to lead again.

Posted by: sciengr | October 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

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Is Kurtz is in Obama's pocket?

Does anyone know if Obama has explained his association with Ayers other than saying "Ayers is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know." ?

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes, mkcornish, the Associated Press says Obama and Ayers do not appear to have been close. Why doesn't Obama answer the question directly then?
Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 10, 2008 12:33 PM

He is too busy making his case to the American people about what he envisions for the future. Only Republican partisans who believe this is a real issue are concerned about the answer. It is important for a president to remain focused. Obama does not want to appear woolgathering like McCain so he'll have to pass on that one.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 10, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember Barack Hussein Obama’s intimate 20 year relationship with the Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright, who blessed Barack and Michelle marriage and baptized both their daughters. AND, to remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember how Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and how he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Barack's religious leader, Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; and that black values are superior to middle-class American values.
 Indeed Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love and have always been proud of, by voting for a True American Patriot and War Hero who risked his life for our country:
John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Mccain is again switching his South Carolina position and wants everyone to bring their CONFEDERATE FLAGS to his rallies---Poor MR. GRUMPY and his angry followers.

And now the Palin's want ALASKA to be the new SECESSIONIST STATE---and John just accepts this terrorist position as his VP nominee====EVEN ABRAHAM LINCOLN WOULD AGAIN FIGHT AGAINST SECESSIONISTS, NOT ENCOURAGE THEM---NO THANKS JOHN---YOU'RE JUST A SILLY, ANGRY MAN...NOT RIGHT FOR AMERICA----NO JUDGMENT---PICK ONE OF YOUR OWN HOMES AND RETIRE.

Posted by: benighse | October 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama True Hypocrat and Liar

Hides his previous connections with Ayers

Disowns Pastor when not needed any more(who know he can disown country too)

Can speak ( as today) but cannot vote against torture

Supporter but not follower of election reforms( words speak louder than action as is always case with Obama)

Supports Hope, Freedom but votes for Spy agencies tapping our Phone

cannot accept Surge Worked , he might be in bad position

Biden a Fool
He thinks Obama is not fit when he runs for president otherwise he is Fit

Obama is naive,has unknown family history

inexperienced like bush was in his first term.

His economic policies will ruin small business,

His health care plan will be a costly affair,

His tax plans would scare investors to other parts of world.

He speaks of alternative energy, opposed to drilling natural gas and building nuclear energy

We consume things at low price because Big corporations get tax cuts their spendign on innovations

If Big companies are taxed heavily , there will lose of jobs , loss of technical edge, higher priced commodities,higher cost of living

Mccain is attacking Root of problem mortegage Obama only wants to attach republicans he has no solid plan.

Obams lack of effectiveness showed up when he responded for russian attach on Georgia and opposition to surge

Mccain all years of experience brings balance and judgement to postion which wasnt there in Bush and Obama due to their in experience,Palen brings freshness of change and executive experience of reforms that she carried in alaska

Posted by: mrn744 | October 10, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Before this campaign I was a big McCain fan. I definitely would have voted for him over Bush of Gore in 2000, but McCain has changed. I don't think he would even be doing as well as he is if he couldn't point to the old McCain and say, "see I was once a bipartisan guy". The way he is running his campaign and the things he is willing to say, does not add up to an honorable or patriotic man. At the end of this campaign Americans are going to have some extremely serious problems to solve that can only be solved if all Americans work together, but the lies and inuendo that McCain is using against Obama are going to leave a large portion of the population suspicious or whoever wins.

If we the voters are to believe that we should judge each candidate by who they associate with, McCain would probably be in worse shape than Obama. The lobbyists that McCain has running his campaigns are just the people that both McCain and Obama say are the problem with Washington. And unlike Obama who made the tough choices to dump associates who may cause suspicion amoung voters, McCain continues to not only continue to associate with these people, but he actually has them running his campaign. And what about the "agents of intollerance" who McCain spoke out against in 2000, this year they are his good buddies.

I also wonder about the Christian idea of forgiveness. We all forgive Palin and her daughter for their transgressions (both were pregnant before they were married), and McCain for his many affairs and for leaving his crippled wife for the younger undamaged model. Are we saying that a guy like Ayers is simply unforgivable? It would seem that Ayers now is a hard working promoter of education and education reform. There is no hint that Ayers has been involved in anything illegal for decades, and has since devoted his life to helping people, why is he someone who cannot be forgiven. I know some people misquote him as saying he wish he had set off more bombs (and by the way the bombs he did set of were tiny and were specifically to designed to do only symbolic damage), but he actually said that he wished he had done more to end the war in Vietnam, not that he wished he had set off more bombs. Ayres turned himself in to the police, decades ago and was ready to serve whatever sentence he was given, why can't he now go on and be a good citizen.

But finally all this misses the most important point for the American people. McCain absolutely doesn't question Obama's patriotism, he has said as much and I am sure he still believes it. McCain is simply trying yet another Hail Mary play and hoping he can distract us from the really important issues that face America. We have an out of control economy and a national debt that is increasing at a rate that is completely unsustainable. McCain wants to lower taxes, and that sounds great, but even a child knows that at some point the debt has to be paid. Our economy is crashing because our creditors no longer trust that our economy (currency) has anywhere near the value that we have been recieving for it, so they are selling off our stocks and bankrupting our companies. McCain's lobbyists and lower taxes are not going to pay down the debt or reassure our creditors.

Posted by: bjuhasz | October 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

lol! ooh the boogeyman. he's gonna getcha! guess what, the boogeyman already has us. his name is karl rove.

Posted by: globulous | October 10, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

ASK JOHN MCCAIN ABOUT HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH G.GORDON LIDDY---US OLD WHITE-HAIRED FOLKS REMEMBER HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE WATERGATE SCANDAL THAT BROUGHT NIXON TO RESIGN---AND JOHN CONSIDERS HIM "MY FRIEND" ---NO THANKS JOHN!....and what about the Italian scam man that John spent his 70th birthday with on a yacht in Europe....not to mention his closest personal "MY FRIEND" when he started his political career on the financial back of Charles Keating....John, You have become a silly embarrassment with NO ECONOMIC PLAN OR SOLUTION FOR TODAY'S PROBLEMS....IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID...LET'S PUT OBAMA AND BIDEN TO WORK FOR ALL AMERICA!!!

Posted by: benighse | October 10, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

No, you DON'T remember correctly norcalworm.

Al Qaeda grew UNOPPOSED for eight years under the Clinton Administration. They planned, prepared, and trained for 9/11 under his watch. If Gore had been elected, 9/11 would have happened while he was president.

This isn't "guilt by association." This is "birds of a feather, flocking together." Obama is a raging Marxist, lying about his true beliefs in order to get elected. Does anyone really believe that he supports gun ownership and the death penalty and opposes gay marriage? His supporters KNOW he's lying.

If John McCain kicked off his political career in the living room of an ABORTION CLINIC BOMBER, the mainstream media would never let the issue go away, and liberals would be HOWLING in anger.

Do you think they'd be placated if McCain said, "Oh, he's just a guy from my neighborhood."

But Obama's "association" with Ayers didn't begin or end there. In 2001, when Ayers was photographed stepping on an American flag, Obama and Ayers were working together on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago from 2000-2002. They co-wrote the organizations by-laws. Obama was not eight years old at that time - he was 40. Ah, but Obama was so naive in his youth!

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Obama, Democrats and Fannie Mae were directly tied to the Housing Crisis. Obama was one of the top recipients of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae even while fellow Democrats Jim Johnson, Franklin Raines, and Jamie Gorelick were driving Fannie into the ground by continuing their role in Bill Clinton's National Housing Policy.

Fannie was involved in a huge accounting scandal and Democrats stood in the way of regulation. In 2003, Democrat Barney Frank stated that the rumors of Fannie's insolvency were greatly exaggerated.

In 2005, John McCain joined several co-sponsors to introduce a bill to better regulate Fannie, and it was KILLED in committee by Democrats in 2006.

The Housing Crisis leads directly back to Bill Clinton's National Housing Policy of 1995 and his strengthening of the Community Reinvestment Act. That is the year that house prices began to diverge from the overall rate of inflation. 1995 is when the bubble started, fueled by risky loans, securitization, and bad lending practices CREATED by Bill Clinton and his HUD secretaries Andrew Cuomo and Henry Cisneros.

This is the drum McCain needs to beat on this week: DEMOCRATS CAUSED THIS HOUSING CRISIS.

Making O-same-a the president will only continue the same, unwise "affordable housing" policies of Clinton and dig us a deeper hole. It's putting the fox in charge of the henhouse.

Posted by: rmmiller44 | October 10, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of McCAIN/PALIN and the NEOCON/ REPUBLICANS trying to distract the people from the real issues facing this country. What do they have to say about this terrible financial crisis? NOTHING! What do they have to say about the BUSH administration lieing us into WAR? NOTHING! Johnny Mac is glad to talk about the "surge," but why Are we there in the first place? NOT A WORD! And what about that shamful response to hurricane KATRINA? NOT A WORD! I could go on and on,but I wont. Now they want to concentrate on guilt by association, things that happened in the 1960s. And now they want to further promote the BUSH doctrine, "GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT". I will be voting a straight democractic ticket this time to send these FASCIST MINDED people a message.Get the hell out of the U S FEDERAL GOVT; and leave the american people alone. God bless america !!!

Posted by: idallasj11 | October 10, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

MR. GRUMPY IS NOT HAPPY AFTER HIS NAPPY....MCCAIN WILL JUST GET ANGRY AND CLAIM SOMEONE STOLE HIS MARBLES.....BUT ALAS, HE LOST ALL HIS MARBLES.....John is an old 73 with a limp and an eye tick and a couple days ago he says at a campaign rally: "My fellow prisoners...." WRONG DECADE JOHN!!!...."----He must have been talking about his Wallstreet buddies who are trashing the market.....MY RESPONSE:===Let's elect "...that one..." the democrat....Yes, Let's put Obama and Biden to work for all America...

Posted by: benighse | October 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The world is troubled by terrorists, we would not need a leader who has connections with Ayers, a terrorist. Voting for such a leader is a wrong message to the terrorists.

Posted by: nononsense3 | October 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has gone from being a national hero to a national embarrassment. The US is in the greatest crisis in post-WWII history and all he can do is talk about old news that wasn't interesting when it was new news. Of course Obama isn't a radical. Is Mayor Richard Daily a radical? He has publicly praised Ayers. The McCain campaign has become pathetic.

Posted by: RonB3 | October 10, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I used to have some respect to wards McCain. After these kind of advertisements, I lost respect towards McCain. Why is he so desperate? Can not he answer economic issues. Why national debt risen from 5.7 trillions from 2001 to 11.4 trillions 2008 ? If this and republican party kept taxes as it is on top 0.1% income earner we could have a rainy day fund and budget surplus. Why in the US history this is the first president to go to war without increasing taxes and just by barrowing ?

It is time for change. McCain is too old to do anything in a different way. He is a republican & not suited for this kind of time. Economy is not his strong point anyway.

Posted by: sasidhargv | October 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, mkcornish, the Associated Press says Obama and Ayers do not appear to have been close. Why doesn't Obama answer the question directly then?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by Association...then McCain is guilty of being a Bush, Cheney clone. Or better said:

A conservative in maverick drag-

A lock-step GOP politician posing as a reformer-

A POW posing as a man of peace and good judgment-

He is out of plans so his mud-slinging is the only way to get it done.

Posted by: indytucker | October 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"The issue is really over judgment. Obama did what he needed to do to get ahead in Chicago politics.. ."

As compared to a man who dumped his wife after an accident to marry an heiress who set him up in Republican politics in Arizona. Then accepted all sorts of favors, and gave them in return, to Charles Keating. Then he surrounds himself with lobbyists even as he campaigns for president.

"DO you want a President who does whatever he has to to get ahead and then distance himself from those people when it gets politically unpopular."

ABSOLUTELY NOT! That is why I could never support McCain. He has never hesitated in doing whatever he has to do to get ahead -- even if it is spreading negative lies and misinformation to keep our mind off his failed policies (like deregulation). And then he tries to distance himself from Keating and George Bush when it gets politically unpopular.

Posted by: mvaney | October 10, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain camp is too desperate and erratic. They don't make sense any more. One minute they propose a $300 billion bail out for bad mortgages (which is a flawed proposal that is already receiving negative response from the Republican party); the next minute they spew hatred and anger towards their opponent which is already backfiring. McCain himself looks tired, lost and out of touch with reality. Palin clearly is not qualified to be a commander in chief. Of all the qualified and experienced (female) candidates in the Republican party, McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate also demonstrates lack of judgment and clear thinking. America needs a leader who will make a positive change, and he is not Senator McCain.

Posted by: artemisia1 | October 10, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Ayne, I don't think Bush is a terrorist, but some Democrats do.

franglais, my answer would be the man who is hypothetically "tight" with a former and UNREPENTANT terrorist.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is ACORN. THEREFORE, ACORN is FRAUD MEANS OBAMA is FRAUD.

Is is simple?
Yes, it is.

Posted by: micretek | October 10, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mkcornish | October 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain is treading on thin ice. The Keating association is far more serious and actually credible especially related to our economy. He should be serving time rather than be anywhere near an office of leadership.

Posted by: janefree0513 | October 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of questionable associations... what about Todd Palin's membership in the Alaska Independence Party from 1995 to 2002.

A group that wants Alaska's separation from the United States!

And Gov. "Winky" Palin has the nerve to question Obama's patriotism. Typical politics...

Posted by: lpinmia | October 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Obama and Biden can get the job done, they all lie to get votes. McCain and Palin are more trustworthy, it is wrong for people to blame them for the bailout crisis and the war in Iraq. The Democratic party would have done the same thing as Bush if they had run the country. McCain and Palin understand american values and they will serve americans better.

Posted by: nononsense3 | October 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh come on, McCain say something untrue, distorted, spun? Get real. Not old, old, old, honest John. But y'all keep clinging to that and maybe your bitterness will just do a meltdown like our economy. John knows how to solve just about everything and keeps those solutions pretty much to himself for security reasons. The only thing John doesn't know is why he left the room he left and what he was going to do in the room he entered. I hope Sarah has secretarial skills.

Posted by: deucebollards | October 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Let's be the devil's advocate, and say Obama is tight with Ayers.
Ok.
We know he's not sleeping with him, though.

But by golly! Sarah Palin goes to bed every night with a man who was in a political party whose main goal was secede from the US.

What's more, she has spoken at their conventions, and praised their good work.

Now, who's more a danger to the US Constitution? A man who's hypothetically "tight" with a former terrorist, or a woman who KNOWINGLY SLEEPS WITH ONE EVERY NIGHT and goes to their conventions to TELL THEM TO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK??!!

AIP? Thanks, but no thanks!

Posted by: franglais | October 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm scared. Not of the terrorists, but of some of the crazy people writing these comments. The level of stupidity, in some cases, is frightening.

We have a nation sinking in the mire. No time to spend hurling insults.

Posted by: operdoc | October 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin,
Are you saying that Bush is a terrorist?

My interpretation of these type of attack ads by McCain is to link Mr. Obama to terrorists. If this isn't his intent, then perhaps he should reflect on some the things that are being said at his rallies.

So, Obama's name...the color of his skin...and select flimsy relations etc combined = Barack the Un-American terrorist.

Then of course the under reported race baiting ads linking Obama to Raines (another flimsy relation when there were so many others to choose from), another black man...ending the segment with the poor geriatric white woman in fear of being robbed from the dishonest evil black men.

So Barack Obama = black thug only out to steal from and victimize white folks.

In total...We have Obama the evil black man waiting in the shadows to come and steal money from the good white folks of America, in order to fund his Muslim terrorist ties.

Laughable...

A bit different than linking McCain to the Bush administration's practices, which appx 75% of Americans agree are full of suck.

McCain's guilt by association is FAR more credible than this Ayer's BS. I think his voting record speaks to this. It's a non story.

Besides, if Obama decides to hit back on flimsy relations he can always bring up McCain and the Iran Contra Affair.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jzQtw1kATj1xCqPcAmwgCKDtNpDQD93LGSJG0


Posted by: Ayne | October 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

protonsmasher ,

Didn't Clinton get hummers in the oval office? If it didn't matter then why does it matter to you so much now?

Posted by: tbastian | October 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain is getting pathetically desperate. Who really gives a crap about Bill Ayres today? Sure, he was a radical who was protesting the Vietnam war back in the 60's and his weatherman group was over the top. But what does that really have to do with 2008, Barack Obama, the presidential election, and the mess this country is in? Does anyone really CARE?

McCain, who was actually an _accomplice_ to Charles Keating (a CONVICTED felon), is lucky he didn't spend 5 years in jail for trying to influence bank regulators. He blows it off as "poor judgement"? Keating was responsible for the S&L screwup back then... cost us billions!

So what seems worse, someone sitting on a charity board with old hippie professor of English who once was a war protestor... or a senator who was caught red-handed trying to twist the arms of bank regulators so his best friend could fleece America for billions? And yes... McCain also made use of Keatings Caribbean getaway estate for seven (7) vacations with his wife.

I'd think being an actual Criminal Accomplice to a convicted felon is far worse than being "Associated" with a guy who was doing dumb things when you were 8 years old and didn't even know him.

Why is the pot calling the kettle black? Because he's losing this election and he's desperate for attention.

Posted by: drgrafix | October 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

franglais,

Is that all you can come up with? I guess that is all the hundreds of Lawyers and investigators who decended on Alaska could find. She addressed their convention NOT AS A MEMBER. Show proof of her husband being a card carrying member of the organization... oh you can't? What a surprise.

It would be very interesting to see what hundreds of investigators would find on Obama if they looked. The statements made about him are based on verifiable facts and not on rumors.

Posted by: tbastian | October 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

If CHRACTER is so important,
didn't McCain have an affair with Cindy while his first wife was in a wheel chair after a car accident?

Posted by: protonsmasher | October 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for another economic meltdown from the same folks that brought you the Savings and Loan (Keating) debacle?

If yes, Vote McCain.
If no, Vote Obama

Is is simple?
Yes, it is.

Posted by: mvaney | October 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain has lost every shred of integrity that attracted this independent voter to him in the past.

Who do these ads appeal to, beyond the base?

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

You're ALL children!!!

All these comments are so predictable you can set your egg-timer by them.

I think that all good, right thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not, and I'm sick and tired of being told that I am!

Posted by: EricBlair1 | October 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

People, y'all are missing the real question of Obama's character and integrity...he voted 'Present' over 100 times in the Ill. statehouse...how can you expect him to make decisions for the country, when he couldn't even vote a simple yes or no - in one of the crookedest states in the country?
And yes, I'm a lifelong Dem - who will not vote for either of the %#@%$! come November.

Posted by: bucsfan | October 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

That's right, EARLIER THIS YEAR Ms Palin addressed a group who admires a man who, before dying in a freak plastics explosives accident, said that.

Volger, the former leader of AIP got blown up by plastic explosives in the early '90's.
And Todd Palin was in the group for several years.

And Sarah has spoken several times at their conventions.

Conventions calling for the secession of Alaska from the US.

How very patriotic.

Posted by: franglais | October 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The issue is really over judgment.

Obama did what he needed to do to get ahead in Chicago politics.. not the most above board place.. ton's of corruption and less than ethical participants in Govt, social affairs and charity.

But, that si really they issue when you talk about Ayers, Rezko, Wright. DO you want a President who does whatever he has to to get ahead and then distance himself from those people when it gets politically unpopular.

Ayers may be considered an ustanding citizen in Chicago but the rest of the country see's him as a man who got off on a technilcality and stated "guilty as hell, free as a bird... what a great country". He has NEVER apologized for his actions. A radical ... YES....

Let's not even bring up the ACORN connection with Obama... he was their lwyer, was a trainer for them and gave them $800,000. TO BUY VOTES.. check into Ohio voter fraud.. or the other 11 states they are being investigated for.

Posted by: tbastian | October 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Appallingly, Obama has been largely given a pass on the Ayers association with all its implications. Among other things, it is part of a pattern in Obama's past adult life, a pattern of chosen association with racists, hate-mongers, urban terrorists, and even criminals. It is reasonable to assume that these influences helped to form Obama's present character and ideology. If so, the voters need to know it. If not, then Barack Obama and his guardians in the media have a responsibility to explain it much more fully than has thus far been done.

Posted by: bubba31138 | October 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I've been amazed ever since the William Ayers matter came up months ago that Obama didn't satisfactorily address it. He's given McCain the ammunition needed to rile up those of his supporters with a paranoid or racist bent, amplifying their influence. Obama should have explained exactly what he knew about Ayers' attitude toward his terrorist acts and when he knew it. He's never done that. Right now, even I, who wouldn't think of voting for McCain, have the impression that Obama accepted assistance and worked alongside Ayers knowing that Ayers was unrepentent about the terrorism he conducted, and avoided conviction and jail only because of prosecutorial error. If that impression is correct, then I really will have to go for Nader.

Posted by: manning120 | October 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The other members of the Board of Directors of the Foundation should issue a statement denouncing the McCarthy-like attacks on Obama. Silence by good people is all evil needs to thrive. The McCain tactics are disgusting and will fail.

01/20/09. End of an Error!

Posted by: thebobbob | October 10, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for another terrorist attack with a greater scale, alot larger than the 9/11 attack?

If yes, Vote Obama.
If no, Vote John McCain.

Is is simple?
Yes, it is.
****************************************************************

If I remember correctly, it was the neo-fascist BushCo that ALLOWED America to be attacked.
Want more failures of that magnitude? Like the economic meltdown, Vote McCrazy and his pitbull b!tch into office. Its really that simple.

Posted by: norcalworm | October 10, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain should first explain his ties to Keating Five, Iran-Contra, his wife's families mob ties as well as drug addictions ... oh and then of course the Alaskan Independence Party, troopergate, - the list goes on forever - maybe it would be better for McCain to stick to the issues.... but he can't do that because he has no resolution for the issues so all he can do is attack Obama with false accusations and character assassination.... but he should be very very careful.... His attacks fuel dangerous hatred.
Following link will take you to a great article in today's paper by
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.mccain10oct10,0,7557571.story

Posted by: bowecy | October 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

It's time for this kind of character assassination to stop. We've got real problems to talk about and need REAL leadership. McCain's recent ads are 100% "negative" (Obama: 36%) - while "Rome" burns. I'm switching from McCain to Obama - we've had 8 years of shoot-from-the-hip politics, and look where it's gotten us.

Posted by: bek-CA | October 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

American’s facing serious economical challenges Senator McCain putting out negative adds to cover his mistakes & Gov Palin.
He should be addressing issues that matters to us, early on I had Respect for him now I don’t trust him

Posted by: free910 | October 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote:
This product (Barack Hussein Obama) can single-handedly destroy democracy and implement a near dictorial state.

Hahahahaha. Hilarious. I hope you were kidding... if not God bless you.

LOL.

Obama-Biden 2008
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Posted by: ChrisStewart | October 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Keep flailing GOP!

No one is coming to help you.

Posted by: King3 | October 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

@micretek ,get a life.

Are you a terrorist? How would you know of such "plans". Do you plan to kill Obama?

Or are you just trying to scare idiots with nonsense?


Someone needs to report you fools to the FBI.

Posted by: King3 | October 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Sub prime lending was NEVER a good idea!

Posted by: DSM_CAL


You are a little off base here. As is the McCain campaign. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are NOT the reason for the economic crisis. If subprime lenders made bad loans and went out of business, there wouldn't be much to talk about. If anything, we would be laughing.

The problem is that the lack of regulation allowed people to repackage and resell sub-prime loans without clearly stipulating the risks involved. That made all banks vulnerable.

We are in crisis mode because ALL banks are at risk. Not because of Fannie Mae went down. Not even because Lehman went down.

That said, I will leave it to you to decide which candidate offers a better solution (to the extent that a solution is possible).

Posted by: ChrisStewart | October 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

@MrPete

Show your sources please. Lets see if any are reputable

Posted by: jsaindon | October 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Tell me of your friends, and I will tell you who you are.

"Beware of what you wish for, you just may get it"

Posted by: pipian | October 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

MrPete, MarkinAustin, etc. and their ilk cannot substantiate ANYTHING they say.

It's fun to watch them flail around though.

Please continue, you are so predictable.

Posted by: King3 | October 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Good golly, the right wing "gotcha media"
is at it again!

John McCain is encouraging you to believe that all politicians are corrupt and government doesn't work.

This argument is THE Republican excuse for their FAILURE.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | October 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for another terrorist attack with a greater scale, alot larger than the 9/11 attack?

If yes, Vote Obama.
If no, Vote John McCain.

Is is simple?
Yes, it is.

Posted by: micretek | October 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Watching right wing idiots flailing around and frothing at the mouth is the most satisfying thing I ever could have asked for.

Go Obama!!!

Posted by: King3 | October 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

All the Vietnam war zero and his neo-fascist party have to offer are lies, hate, ignorance, and failure.
Oh, and an empty headed bimbo.

Posted by: norcalworm | October 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

It is not guilt by association. It's guilt by participation. McCain is being nice.

Obama doesn't just know Ayers. He chaired Ayer's board. They worked on political and social ends together. It is unbelievable that he did not know Ayers is a radical leftist. Obama himself is a radical leftist. I suppose that just means he doesn't see himself as such.

Obama isn't just associated with socialists. He's been a card-carrying, contract-signed member of the party.

Obama isn't just associated with the subprime mess. He has been intimately involved, as a lawyer, in the subprime mess.

Howard Kurtz, to have missed all that, you're not doing your job.

Posted by: MrPete | October 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I watched the news showing McCain’s interview on Fox being televised on CNN, FOX, and other networks. In the interview McCain said he wanted Obama to come out with the truth about Ayers so the public can decide. Why isn’t anyone calling out McCain on his hypocrisy on TROOPERGATE? He asks for public truth from Obama, yet he sends his lawyers to Alaska to cover up TROOPERGATE to avoid public scrutiny. Why doesn’t McCain let Palin testify about her TROOPERATE connection so the American Public can decide – the same standard he wants to apply to Obama. Do you smell hypocrisy?

I don’t want to hear this excuse that TROOPERGATE is politically motivated and that the AYERS connection isn’t. Palin was in office as a government official during TROOPERGATE while Obama was eight years old when Ayers did his despicable act. You tell me which has more validity in applying a standard of judgment -- a person governing when the act was being committed or a person who was eight years old when someone else committed the act?

If judgment is what McCain is questioning about Obama, shouldn’t the American pubic question McCain’s judgment for picking a VP that may be using her powers for personal reasons? Sounds like Bush/Chaney tactic to twist the law f to protect them elves and those they surround themselves with. After all, Palin's character could be a heart beat away from the Presidency if McCain is elected. The public deserves the truth by her testifying in front of an INDEPENDENT board, not one she picks.

Come on, what are you afraid of McCain, the truth? McCain keeps preaching about transparency in government, but I guess that only applies to others, not himself or those he surrounds himself with.

McCain seems to wear hypocrisy as well as one of his thousand dollar suits. His campaign and campaign tactics looks more and more like the same eight years of Bush scare tactics that middle class come to despise. BUSH SCARE TACTICS MAY OF WORKED FOR THE WAR, BUT IT WON'T WORK FOR THE ECONOMY. WE SWALLOWED THE BUSH SCARE TACTIC PILL BEFORE AND THE ONLY CURE FOR THIS CANCER IS TO PUT IN OFFICE SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T REFLECT BUSH POLICIES WHILE CAMPAIGNING -- WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO WHO BELIEVES THERE IS A BETTER WAY AND THAT SURE ISN'T THE MCCAIN’S HYPOCRISY POLICY THAT APPLIES TO EVERYONE ELSE, BUT HIMSELF AND THE CRONIES HE SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH.

Posted by: steveeyes | October 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for another terrorist attack from "THE ONE"?

If yes, Vote Obama.
If no, Vote John McCain.

Is is simple?
Yes, it is.

Posted by: micretek | October 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"I just have to rely on the good judgment of the voters not to buy into these negative attack ads. Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it."
-- John McCain, 2000

Posted by: michaelb2 | October 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

there was this time when a bunch of guys went out in the middle of the night and they destroyed a bunch of property for political reasons and later, they incited a revolution against the government. that was our founding fathers. while i don't advocate or condone violence, when any person, no matter when or where, is subjected to cruel, degrading, or inhumane treatment, there comes a time when they get really pissed off. if it's your side, they are freedom fighters, if not, they are terrorists (or something like that). george washington was a rebel. so are the mujahideen. so was malcolm X. the us unloaded bombs into laos like garbage. does that make us heroes or villains? we put saddam hussein in power. we trained osama bin laden. we put the shah of iran in power, overthrowing a DEMOCRATICALLY elected president. the hypocrisy is absolutely stunning. please get educated and quit swallowing the propaganda. GET THE FACTS. THINK FOR YOURSELF.

Posted by: globulous | October 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Dow down 470 points.

You are witnessing with your own eyes the slow motion impoverishment of America.

:-(

Posted by: toritto | October 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Louis Farrakhan called Obama the Messiah!

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Time to pull out the dirty stinking S&L underwear McCain was wearing when he was roughly Obamas age.

Posted by: williambanzai7 | October 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I watched the news showing McCain’s interview on Fox being televised on CNN, FOX, and other networks. In the interview McCain said he wanted Obama to come out with the truth about Ayers so the public can decide. Why isn’t anyone calling out McCain on his hypocrisy on TROOPERGATE? He asks that Obama come clean, yet he sends his lawyers to Alaska to cover up TROOPERGATE. Why doesn’t McCain let Palin testify about her TROOPERATE connection so the American Public can decide – the same standard he wants to apply to Obama.

I don’t want to hear this excuse that TROOPERGATE is politically motivated and that the AYERS connection isn’t. If anything, Palin was in office as a government official during TROOPERGATE while Obama was eight years old when Ayers did his despicable act. You tell me which has more validity in applying a standard of judgment -- a person governing when the act was being committed or a person who was eight years old when someone else committed the act?

If judgment is what McCain is questioning about Obama, shouldn’t the American pubic question McCain’s judgment for picking a VP that may be using her powers for personal reasons? Especially after 8 years of Dick Chaney abusing his powers. After all, Palin's character could be a heart beat away from the Presidency if McCain is elected. If McCain wants the American pubic to decide what is true, than let Palin testify and the public decide. Come on, what are you afraid of McCain, the truth? McCain keeps preaching about transparency in government, but I guess that only applies to others, not himself or those he surrounds himself with. McCain seems to wear hypocrisy as well as one of his thousand dollar suits. His campaign and campaign tactics looks more and more like the same eight years of Bush tactics that middle class had to suffer through. NO MORE -- BUSH SCARE TACTICS MAY OF WORKED FOR THE WAR, BUT WE WON'T LET IT WORK THIS TIME.

Posted by: steveeyes | October 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Sub prime lending was NEVER a good idea!

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Aren't we tired of all of this? I think one thing that we can all agree on is that neither candidate is void of corruption...what politician is? You can say this and that about either one until you're blue in the face but it will not change what we are facing at the end of the day. Just look at the issues and quit whining about the media. McCain showing signs of dementia should be more of a concern than the activities of someone that occurred when someone else was 8 years old. Honestly, if anyone thinks that Obama is a "terrorist", they really need to seek help in removing their head out of their a$$

Posted by: independant11 | October 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Louis Farrakhan is on video calling Obama the Messiah. Watch it for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

Just keep dismissing Obama's radical ties ...

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Pretty hard to take that idea seriously Mark, especially since the McCain Campaign itself would rather talk about lipstick and terrorists than his record.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | October 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Did you hear that Obama bought air time on CBS/NBC for an infomercial?

What you might see/hear...

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And if you order within the next ten minutes we'll DOUBLE your order and give you SMILIN JOE BIDEN for the incredibly low price of $700 billion dollars!

But don't take our word for it! Listen to these completely satisfied customers: Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, William Ayers, Tony Rezko, and so many more.

CALL NOW! OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY! AND TELL THEM BILLY SENT YOU!

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 10, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Where were all the MSM headlines denouncing "Obama Pushes Guilt-by-Association Tie Between Bush and McCain"?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

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