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McCain Stands by Controversial Flier

Updated 5:49 p.m.
By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain this week gave his personal stamp of approval to one of the toughest pieces of direct mail in the 2008 campaign.

The brochure, which is being sent to voters in Virginia and Missouri, features a picture of what is either a plane about to crash into a building full of people or an airport departure gate, along with the words: "Terrorists Don't Care Who They Hurt."

The other side of the mailer says: "Barack Obama Thinks Terrorists Just Need a Good Talking To."

Controversial? Yes. But is McCain proud of it? Absolutely, according to an interview McCain gave to KDSD, a local television station in Missouri.

In the interview, McCain is shown the flier and asked if he's proud of it. "Absolutely," he said.

McCain went on to say that the point of the flier is that Obama would sit down and meet, unconditionally, with the leaders of nations that sponsor terrorism.

"Senator Obama said, 'I would meet unconditionally with leaders of Iran, Syria and other state sponsors of terrorism,'" McCain explained to the reporter. "I won't talk to these extremist leaders."

Obama-Biden campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor suggested McCain's response cast his campaign in an unflattering light. "The fact that John McCain is actually proud of this deplorable mailer is another indicator of how dishonorable his campaign has become," he said. "The narrow, polarizing campaign he's running is part of the reason why General Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama as the leader with the judgment to keep America safe and respected in the world."

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McCane is a fake. That's his problem.

ⱶ "Country First": FAKE

ⱶ "KNOWS (but won't tell) how to get Bin Ladin

ⱶ "Joe the Plumber": FAKE

ⱶ Drill to lower oil prices: FAKE

ⱶ Academic preparation: FAKE

ⱶ Sarah Palin sold the plane on e-Bay: FAKE

ⱶ Sarah Palin is the best VP candidate in recent times: FAKE

ⱶ Democrats will raise your taxes: FAKE

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Posted by: ElMugroso | October 26, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

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McCane is a fake. That's his problem.

ⱶ "Country First": FAKE

ⱶ "KNOWS (but won't tell) how to get Bin Ladin

ⱶ "Joe the Plumber": FAKE

ⱶ Drill to lower oil prices: FAKE

ⱶ Academic preparation: FAKE

ⱶ Sarah Palin sold the plane on e-Bay: FAKE

ⱶ Sarah Palin is the best VP candidate in recent times: FAKE

ⱶ Democrats will raise your taxes: FAKE

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Posted by: ElMugroso | October 26, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

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McCane is a fake. That's his problem.

ⱶ Maverick: FAKE

ⱶ Honorable: FAKE

ⱶ Reformer: FAKE

ⱶ Military understanding: FAKE

ⱶ Trustable: FAKE

ⱶ "Suspends campaign" to "save country": FAKE

ⱶ Tax cuts for "Joe the Plumber": FAKE

ⱶ Acusations about Obama in McCain ads: FAKE

ⱶ Sarah Palin: FAKE

ⱶ Know "how to win wars": FAKE

ⱶ His RECENT repudiation of Bush and Bush Philosophy: FAKE

ⱶ "My friends": FAKE

ⱶ The "terror" he wants to instill on people to win votes: FAKE

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Posted by: ElMugroso | October 26, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I am weeping with disgust. To the person who wrote about Obama's naive belief in "mystic" diplomacy: You are in need of an education, beginning with grade school. I guess you think war is the answer to everything: just let millions of women and children get raped and killed and thrown by the wayside. More civilians die in wars today than soldiers. Diplomacy in the only answer you dumb dumb sad person.

Posted by: changenow3 | October 23, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, I returned home, opened my mail, and was struck by the Obama/Ayers terrorist flier distributed by the Republican Party of Virginia. My questions to you, Mr. McCain, are these:

1) You know where a terrorist lives (the Hyde Park neighborhood where Obama and his "social circle" dare to reside – must be the un-American part of Chicago) and I'm assuming Homeland Security, the Chicago Police Department, the Bush Administration, the Pentagon, all of Congress knows where this terrorist "hangs out," yet he has not been arrested. How is this War on Terror coming along when we can't stop the homegrown terrorists? Could it be that he is not worth arresting?

2) You know where Osama bin Laden is, you know how to "get him", yet you have withheld this critical information from our military. When are you planning on unleashing your superior terrorist-detecting skills? Upon your election instead of saving the lives of soldiers and civilians RIGHT NOW??? That's some awesome leadership right there. Is that what they taught you at the Naval Academy? Withhold information from those who can get the work done until you get what you want? (Now that I think about it, that's what a TERRORIST would do...)

The truth of the matter is that this issue is a red herring intended to influence the uninformed and perpetually scared. I don't blame you. Fear has been an effective weapon for at least one presidential election cycle and the basis for our current Pyrrhic battles overseas. Perhaps the most important thing you’ve learned as a POW and as a member of the Republican Party is that fear works.

I believe sincerely that these current tactics are not how you want to be remembered by the electorate and that you remain on some level an honorable man. However, I am truly disappointed in you and the Republican party's current line of attack. I voted for you as a write-in candidate in 2000. I will not vote for you in 2008.

Posted by: Squizzi | October 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps that is one of the planes McCain crashed and destroyed when the fake war hero was doing his flying. He should know because, he is the SOB who disobeyed direct orders on board the Carrier USS Forrestal to remove the 1000 Lb over size and over weight bombs that his plane was not outfitted to handle or carry. Further more this same SOB "wet fired" his engines to harass and intimidate the pilot directly behind him. McCain's ultra hot and flaming exhaust let lose the so called "stray rocket" causing his 1000 LB bombs to explode. The ensuing fire killing 139 Naval personnel, maiming, crippling, severely injuring 179 others, destroying 20 jet fighters and causing tens of billions in damages to the flight deck of the carrier.
The other incidents were when this SOB was drunk flying solo back from the Army/ Navy football game in Phili. In mid air he reported engines out and ignition failure. The SOB bailed out letting his aircraft crash. Then there was a similar incident in Spain when this SOB while flip flopping severed electrical wire over a urban area, killing people on the ground and blacking out an urban area. If there ever was a uncaring SOB, it is McCain, the boozer, womanizer, elite son of Admirals, with preferential treatment all his life."

REALLY?
WOW SOUND'S JUST LIKE THE MCAIN WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE; GO FIGURE.

Posted by: ukeman | October 22, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps that is one of the planes McCain crashed and destroyed when the fake war hero was doing his flying. He should know because, he is the SOB who disobeyed direct orders on board the Carrier USS Forrestal to remove the 1000 Lb over size and over weight bombs that his plane was not outfitted to handle or carry. Further more this same SOB "wet fired" his engines to harass and intimidate the pilot directly behind him. McCain's ultra hot and flaming exhaust let lose the so called "stray rocket" causing his 1000 LB bombs to explode. The ensuing fire killing 139 Naval personnel, maiming, crippling, severely injuring 179 others, destroying 20 jet fighters and causing tens of billions in damages to the flight deck of the carrier.
The other incidents were when this SOB was drunk flying solo back from the Army/ Navy football game in Phili. In mid air he reported engines out and ignition failure. The SOB bailed out letting his aircraft crash. Then there was a similar incident in Spain when this SOB while flip flopping severed electrical wire over a urban area, killing people on the ground and blacking out an urban area. If there ever was a uncaring SOB, it is McCain, the boozer, womanizer, elite son of Admirals, with preferential treatment all his life.

Posted by: winemaster2 | October 22, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

huhmm31, and you think Obama will get us all killed with his foreign policy because we are electing him on his economic plan?

uhmm, McCain fans, can you start up another chorus of BOM BOM IRAN?
as we stare down Russia, in Afganistan, and NEVER LEAVING IRAQ?
... we should have bombed North Veitnam into the stone age...

Ok, you wingnut neocons will have alot of time to perfect your delusions after Nov 4th.

Posted by: ukeman | October 22, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

narrow, polarizing campaign he's running;
THE BUCK STOPS HERE.
McCain has nothing left.

Were Americans not better than this, think what an administration McPain would bring this country at this time. UNTHINKABLE

Posted by: ukeman | October 22, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Let it first ring out here. OB-1 - We are having a revolution to bring America back to Americans. We are no longer going to be the ATM for special interest. Change is afoot and it will not be stopped. I am a believer that the opinion of the collective masses defines America. Our forefathers did not design this great country for the individual to be hampered by the crushing, stifling weight of supporting special interest and corrupt politicians. As a Navy veteran I feel that Senator McCain has left his principles in his footlocker. This is not who he is, if he were to be a Maverick he would leave his party who has failed him so miserably. Signed, a fifty year old grandfather, father, teacher, businessman, veteran and yes a voter. OB-1- O-bama B-iden 1

Posted by: TeacherSpeaker | October 22, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

To Robmhill (sorry if I didn't get that exactly right): you make a very valid point, my friend, but one that the government and, I'm truly sorry to say, the media, have taken great pains to conceal. You might be interested in an internet article going around that is titl;ed, "Who's to Blame?" nIf you've not seen it, I recommend it highly. It speaks to the fact that ALL of the federal and state branches of government's "employees" (read: democrats, republicans, independents, senate, congress, council members, administration officials, etc.)are responsible through collusion for taking our beloved country down this horrible path to what may be, for the first time in our history, a true catastrophe, in the name of "free market capitalism, but in their actions of socialistic corporatocracy. If we as citizens do not get off our a**es to act through votes, protests, we will find ourselves in a plutocracy.

Posted by: ibnrn06 | October 22, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Pathetic. This is the same John McCain who cried foul in 2000 about W's smear tactics. This is probably Mccain's last campaign and he has decided to swim out in the gutter.

Posted by: dcwsano | October 21, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Reprehensible! More sleaze from a desperate candidate who can't comprehend that his smears are backfiring. Like the little boy he really is (psychologically), he throws a temper tantrum when things aren't going his way. How dignified!
McCain is an absolute hypocrite. His lofty slogan "America First" is completely contradicted by his actions. Trying his best to tear down Obama through an avalanche of distortion, innuendo, & outright lies does not help the country come together behind our new President. If he cared one bit about America's future, he'd have sworn off stuff like this flier long ago. It just goes to show: As he's been doing all his life, it's "McCain First."

Posted by: DoctorB | October 21, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Palin goes to Washington is more like Dumb and Dumber. Took her 5 colleges to get one degree? First passport in 06.

Sounds like the perfect leader of the free world. /snark

Posted by: bhuang2 | October 21, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain has experience, but he has refused to learn anything from it. He promotes a strong sentimental attachment to bad ideas. He and his followers think it's disrespectful call attention to the fact that many terrible sacrifices have been made in vain because the promoters of tragically misguided policies can't afford let any of the sacrified realize that they were misguided. We continue to suffer, because we're intimidated into thinking that self examination is unpatriotic, when it is actually a Christian imperative!

This is serious. We cannot afford to let this intransigence continue.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 21, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

In the movie "MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON" Jimmy Stewart plays a character named "Jefferson Smith" .... he takes over the Senate through a marathon filibuster, finally bringing reform to halt government corruption.

The sequel: "MRS. PALIN GOES TO WASHINGTON"

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

In the movie "ITS A WONDERFUL LIFE" Jimmy Stewart plays a character named "George Bailey"....George has an angel named Clarence.
Clarence informs George that..."Everytime someone rings a bell...an angel gets its wings"
Every time a right wing nut neocon republican nazi posts a negative comment and lies about Obama..."He's a Muslim" ..."He wasn't born in America".."He's a terrorist"....Obama recieves another 100 votes.
Neocon nazis are urged to TYPE FASTER...
....These fools are handin out wings...hahahahahaha

CHA-CHING....CHA-CHING....CHA-CHING....

Look folks, these idiots are handing out wings......

CHA-CHING...CHA-CHING...CHA-CHING......

hahahahahahaha.......ahahahahaha....hahahaha
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131 (216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 21, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain has an obligation to show where Obama's lack of experience could take us. Obama does not have any more foreign policy experience than Sarah Palin. He may have a better vocabulary, but his ideology is still new and naive. However, he is not running for Vice President of the United States of America. He is running for President. Joe Biden is right, the world will be testing Obama if he is elected. He isn't in college anymore, and the price for his failure in this arena is the death of American Citizens. Kind of hard to be excited about having a job, when we don't know if Obama's inexperience is going to get us or our loved ones and neighbors killed. But hey, its all about the economy right!?

Posted by: huhmmm31 | October 21, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

This is in response to "dummy pants" post about Obama's ex-pastor.

If you would scratch the surface abit on your candidate, McCain, you would find that he had a pastor whom is racist: the Reverand Rob Parsley referred to Islam as

"the greatest religious enemy of our civilization and the world," claiming that the historic mission of America is to see "this false religion destroyed."

McCain called parsley
"one of the truly great leaders in America, a moral compass, a spiritual guide".

Wow, seems that McCain runs around with racists and takes spiritual guidance from him. Pretty scary.

Posted by: neurons | October 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

nodebris wrote

barfolomew wrote: "ReadyAimFire McCain, what a wonderful guy."

You have the order wrong. With McCain, it's Ready Fire Aim.
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It is easy to want to only mock the sad state that McCain is making of himself.
With something like: Fire, Fire, The sky is Falling.

He picks Sarah for VP. Her past is limited to well being limited to friends get others don't. One fears you see in their campaign how they will behave Nationally and Internationally. It won't be lips they will be shooting from.

Posted by: justmehla | October 21, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

how is that controversial?

terrorists surely WANT to fly plans into buildings (indeed, much worse things) and have done so in the recent past, in this very country.

and obama has exposed himself as naive in believing in the mystic power of "diplomacy".

watching obama govern is not going to be pretty. unlike with his campaign, he wont be able to pass off doing and saying nothing of substance as "steadiness" or a "cool" temperment.

our only hope for the future is that obama breaks at least half of his largely innane campaign promises.

Posted by: dummypants | October 21, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

obama should give mccain a cabinet position for not talking about rev. jeramiah wright for the past two months.

obama himself called it a legitimate issue, which it surely is.

can you imagine if a white candidate has a pastor who spewed that kind of hate and racism, and undulged in crazy conspiracy theories that portrayed the US government as an essentially evil entity?

only someone as honorable as mccain would pull those punches.

you dems need to be licking his boots.

Posted by: dummypants | October 21, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse


Fact check: Was McCain once against Bush tax cuts?

True. As Obama states, McCain did say he could not support President Bush's tax cuts in 2001, saying it was because they went to the wealthy at the expense of the middle class. He later supported extending them, saying the economy made them feasible at that later time.

Captain McFLIP-FLOP strikes again!

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 21, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, in his senile state, clearly forgot that he had just recently distinguished himself with his "I'm not Bush!" claim. While we had been worrying about his ability to last a full 4-year term, we might now have to start worrying about his mentally surviving the next 2 weeks of campaign.

Posted by: KT11 | October 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain spent the last 8 years cheering Bush on, except for some whispers that torture isn't all that cool.
The real question is who is behind McCain and Reagan?
Why you ask, well both have through deregulation discredited capitalism, deregulation that no respected economist would back. McCain wrote the deregulation that has caused the banking collapse. They have both sought to turn the USA into a police state. Reagan had people looking for ways to establish marshal law, and McCain has supported Homeland Security and the NSA in all their endeavours, keeping support high and any dissent held up as unpatriotic. He supports court appointments who think the bill or rights is an inconvenience.

So between their deregulation of capitalism and their hatred of individual freedoms they have done a lot to bring about the objectives of the Soviet Union.

Why you ask would two Americans, and Republicans at that, seek to bring down the USA? Well they do call them red stater's, but it is more than that.

Reagan according to the files of the American Communist Party tried to join back in the 30's. According to the files found by the FBI they refused his admittance because he was a flake and unreliable. If you believe the American Communist Party. When you look at his life's political work you start to wonder, not only did he do what he could to discredit capitalism, he sought to undermine our airline industry and airline safety. He also crippled California's education system, a system in part responsible for our aerospace industry, which the Soviets were envious of.

McCain admits to being turned by the North Vietnamese, to some extent, and if he admits that much how much is he hiding?

You have two American politicians who had serious and sympathetic communist contact, who have worked very hard to bring down this great country, and who slander others as terrorists for disagreeing with them, which is a common tactic for those acting as spies and moles.

"Better red than dead" was a slogan of the Republican Party until Reagan came to power, now it's "Red States rule", and considering that Red States produce much less revenue than they take from the federal government, making them essentially welfare states, talk about redistributing wealth, it would certainly appear that the Soviet Party is not dead, but alive and well here in the USA, in the hands of the Republican Party.

As the USSR, Russia was never a great danger to the USA, we are finding this out now that their files are open to historians, but as the Republican Party, Soviet principles and objectives are our greatest danger.

Tell you friends, take this seriously, and vote to save our great land from these totalitarian fiends.

Please our future depends on it.

Posted by: robmhill | October 21, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain should know about crashing planes--since he'd done it so many times. Probably has cost the govt. more than all the earmarks he's eliminated.

Posted by: Conrado1 | October 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse


john mccain said in the last debate and i quote, "i know how to find bin laden"

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oh yea?

so this INCREDIBLY super hero mccain knows how to find bin laden, and says he has known all along.. but he doesn't want to SHARE it with anyone?

gee. isn't this a little bit like WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE or maybe... OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE.. or even BEING AN ACCOMPLICE to all the u.s. soldiers who have DIED in these wars in iraq and afghanistan???

OR MAYBE MCCAIN IS JUST FULL OF SH*T....

EITHER WAY... JOHN MCCAIN IS DISGUSTING!

and moose lady? you can quote me on that in one of your little puppet scripted speeches.. tell that to your friggin joe plumber who doesn't have a plumbing license and doesn't pay his property tax bills... and if joe plumber has a problem with any of this.. tell him to come and tell me to my face. i'll kick his a$$ in.

Posted by: FozzieBear | October 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

the congresswoman from MN was right ,we do haveM anti-americans in office.this flier is totally unamerican. trust me there arevets and military retirees taking notice.the man has no honor left.if defeated in nov. he should be shunnesd in senate.

Posted by: donaldtucker | October 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I watch with horrified fascination as McCain/Palin hang themselves with more conviction than ever.

Negative campaigning works????

Judging by the comments above (are you all THAT biased, or merely outraged and disgusted by rotten behavior?), I'd say that cleaning foul toilets is an infinitely more worthy, useful and honorable job than the one the Republican team is doing.

Posted by: pkennealy | October 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I watch with horrified fascination as McCain/Palin hang themselves with more conviction than ever.

Negative campaigning works????

Judging by the comments above (are you all THAT biased, or merely outraged and disgusted by rotten behavior?), I'd say that cleaning foul toilets is an infinitely more worthy, useful and honorable job than the one the Republican team is doing.

Posted by: pkennealy | October 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it pitiful that a campaign would spend money this way to try to convince voters that the other candidate is something less than American and patriotic? Nothing closely approaching character assassinaton has even been hinted from the Obama campaign. Yet, McCain and Palin are demonstrating what they believe that bipartisanship looks like. What a joke, they are!

Posted by: EarlC | October 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

About four years ago I was a supporter of Sen. McCain who at that time really was a maverick. Then the Bush/Cheney/Rove group did the South Carolina dirty tricks campaign and McCain submitted. That is when I started to lose confidence in his ability to lead. Since then McCain has become a shell of his former self, and appears to be fully part of the elect Bush/Cheney III plan. It may be his age, it may be his desperation, but he seems to have sold his soul to the current administration. It is sad really. I still respect him for his military service, the sacrifices he made in Hanoi, and his service as a U.S. Senator, but have lost respect for him outside of that. I've finally made my mind up who to vote for. Thanks Sen. McCain for making it an easy decision.

Posted by: bfjam | October 21, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

republican, no-mind, vicious, liar, Joe McCarthy, ignorant, stupid, can't get the load out of his pants...

Posted by: royals1 | October 21, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

there is a reason the mccain/palin campaign will not give up on the terrorist and acorn attacks.
despite the fact the terrorist and the acorn attacks nothing more than sleazy attempts to connect obama with muslims and to remind voters he is black, this is not the sleaziest gop behavior. connect the dots, as www.straightrecord.com did and you'll see the acorn flap is all about building credence for voter challenges and vote denials and setting the stage for throwing the election into confusion, leaving many votes uncounted.

Posted by: rapswork | October 21, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Contemptible - he has sunk way beyond any redemption now, he has ruined his legacy and shown that he is so like Rove and Bush. The only things to come from this flier is that McCains hands are now seen as the dirty worker, he can no longer pimp out Sara as his dirt swisher, he is the one responsible. These two are as bad if not worse than Cheney and Bush. The saddest of this all if that once McCain was an honorable guy. He has no one but himself to blame for losing.

Did he not hear Powell on Sunday, that McCain is embarassing good republicans and ruining the party even more than it has been ruined?

He is proud of this flier. Too bad. He has sunk to a new low.

Posted by: lndlouis | October 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

And to think that I once had respect for John McCain. This man has sold out every principle he once held dear, and all for naught...

Posted by: jerkhoff | October 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Behold, the best Daily Show episode ever!


Jon Stewart eviscerates the GOP's "real" America attacks, demolishing both Nancy Pfotenhauer ("real" Virginia) and Michele Bachmann (Bachmann Turncoat Overdrive) and offering audio of Sarah Palin's infamous "pro-America" areas of the country comment.
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=188635&title=pfriend-or-pfoe
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse


an ad with a crashing plane..

i guess you've hit a new low, huh mccain?

can you spell... LOSER???

mccain; "L-O-S-E-R"

now john... say, "i'm a loser."

mccain; "I'M A LOSER."

very good, john! very, very good!!

CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP!
CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP!
CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP!
CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! CLAP!


Posted by: FozzieBear | October 21, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

The way McCain has allowed his campaing to denigrate into hateful fearmongering of the worse sort is unforgivable. His actions, in my mind have erased all he has sacrificed for his country. I didn't think that was possible. He has dishonored himself and his country.

This former Republican will be voting for Obama.

Posted by: clamb1 | October 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

isn't it McCain who crashes planes?????

Posted by: andrewkellyaustralia | October 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

From an ol' timer..... Everyone of us 70+ seniors KNOW that we are not as quick on the uptake nor do we have the physical energy a decade ago. An honest look at McCain today reveals a much older, less physically and mentally nimble man than when he ran for the presidency in 2000. This campaign has revealed that he does not have the mental or physical capacity to resist the Bush Republican orthodoxy and Rove campaign tactics. He is just not mentally or physically up to being president of the US in 2008.

Posted by: ebjlb | October 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

From an ol' timer..... Everyone of us 70+ seniors KNOW that we are not as quick on the uptake nor do we have the physical energy a decade ago. An honest look at McCain today reveals a much older, less physically and mentally nimble man than when he ran for the presidency in 2000. This campaign has revealed that he does not have the mental or physical capacity to resist the Bush Republican orthodoxy and Rove campaign tactics. He is just not mentally or physically up to being president of the US in 2008.

Posted by: ebjlb | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

From an ol' timer..... Everyone of us 70+ seniors KNOW that we are not as quick on the uptake nor do we have the physical energy a decade ago. An honest look at McCain today reveals a much older, less physically and mentally nimble man than when he ran for the presidency in 2000. This campaign has revealed that he does not have the mental or physical capacity to resist the Bush Republican orthodoxy and Rove campaign tactics. He is just not mentally or physically up to being president of the US in 2008.

Posted by: ebjlb | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

the congresswoman from MN was right.there are anti americans in office.Mccain acknowleging this flier proves it. I have known some sickos but this may the worse .HONOR from this a joke and trust me a lot us vets and military retirees here in FL are taking notice.

Posted by: donaldtucker | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

the congresswoman from MN was right.there are anti americans in office.Mccain acknowleging this flier proves it. I have known some sickos but this may the worse .HONOR from this a joke and trust me a lot us vets and military retirees here in FL are taking notice.

Posted by: donaldtucker | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

That brochure is the sign of a desperate man willing and committed to distorting anything and everything...a man operating with a corroded moral compass who can't voice a single original idea about the economy, recession or moral renewal.

The only thing left is to talk trash, and McCain the sleazebag and that brainless running mate are doing just that.

Too bad it's doomed to fail, John-boy. You're turning into a real worm, right before our eyes.

Posted by: loulor | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

That brochure is the sign of a desperate man willing and committed to distorting anything and everything...a man operating with a corroded moral compass who can't voice a single original idea about the economy, recession or moral renewal.

The only thing left is to talk trash, and McCain the sleazebag and that brainless running mate are doing just that.

Too bad it's doomed to fail, John-boy. You're turning into a real worm, right before our eyes.

Posted by: loulor | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

That brochure is the sign of a desperate man willing and committed to distorting anything and everything...a man operating with a corroded moral compass who can't voice a single original idea about the economy, recession or moral renewal.

The only thing left is to talk trash, and McCain the sleazebag and that brainless running mate are doing just that.

Too bad it's doomed to fail, John-boy. You're turning into a real worm, right before our eyes.

Posted by: loulor | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

How come McCain can't close the deal?

Posted by: bdunn1 | October 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

barfolomew wrote: "ReadyAimFire McCain, what a wonderful guy."

You have the order wrong. With McCain, it's Ready Fire Aim.

Posted by: nodebris | October 21, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

""Senator Obama said, 'I would meet unconditionally with leaders of Iran, Syria and other state sponsors of terrorism,'" McCain explained to the reporter."

Senator McCain, once again, prevaricates.

Senator Obama said he would meet without preconditions, which is totally different than "unconditionally."

"Without preconditions" means he wouldn't ask a leader to give something up before he would talk.

Having had respect for Senator McCain for many years, it is so sad that he has thrown away his integrity. It's clear that, while he may possibly be an effective Senator, he would be Peter Principled out as a President.

Posted by: GaryJean | October 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

The printed piece is simply another McCain example of poor judgment. The voters are speaking out against McCain's negative campaigning through polling and otherwise. This is nothing more than a printed piece to excite the Republican Party fringe and play on the fears of the base. McCain has boxed himself in and has become a non media event except for his creating polarization actions. He, with the help of Palin an earlier expression of poor judgment, has brought about his own collapse.

Posted by: louismraskin | October 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"Look, is this guy, Bin Laden, really the bad guy that's depicted? Most of us have never heard of him before" ~ McCain, 1998 interview with Mother Jones, after Clinton fired missiles at OBL

Posted by: pali2500 | October 21, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen or heard of a single thing from McCain--advertising, robocalls, rallies, fliers, etc.-- offering a single idea that McCain has to help people through the mess the country is in right now. These transparently scary-looking fliers aren't going to sway anyone.


So let's recap:

1. Theses goofy fliers are not swaying anyone with 1/2 a brain.

2. They are attracting the most bigoted of supporters who were already hardcore Republicans anyway.

3. They are ensuring the flight of any and all moderates from the GOP, leaving only the side show racist freaks who make up the Republican base.


No wonder McCain's campaign is going broke.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJThPjvscFs
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

thenotoriousflavio, I thought what was "wrong" with McCain/Palin was that she didn't talk to the press? You guys need to pick one story and stick with it.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"We should never negotiate out of fear, but we should never fear to negotiate."
President John F. Kennedy

Posted by: StevefromSacto | October 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Remember when McCain went after Obama for being a "celebrity" and how empty that was, and how "all show, no go" he was.

WHOSE the celebrity now? (answer: Sarah Palin)

Palin apologizes for 'Real America' comment

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with sitting down with Khatami and having Iran give up it nuclear program for something in return. Appeal to the religious aspect and build a Shia pilgrimage rail system from Karachi to Najav and Karbala. If not the two sites at Nantanz where the centrifuges run and Arak where the heavy water reactor can make bomb grade plutonium will be bombed when processing at Arak begins. Carrot and stick diplomacy is better than all stick. Bubba had people in Jung's processing facilities because he talked using Richardson among others. Islam wants the Dome of the Rock under their control is the carrot that may bring peace to Israel. Giving only the Dome grounds with a connecting tunnel to New Jerusalem as part of Palestine, may get this done. McCain is the point of a gun, which considering how the Taliban executes righteous Christians under false charges in Kabul is a fate reserved for the tribes that side with them. The Lashkars are holding their own against the Taliban in Pakistan and should be supported even with their Pashtun fundamentalist bent. Talk to them too, along with the Pakistan government led by a man whose wife Bhutto was salughtered by these animals.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, Whining John has conceded. He lost the presidency, could not convince anyone with brains, so the only alternative left for the f*cking idiot is to mudsling Obama's character.
I don't see Obama atacking or mentioning Whining Jophn's compulsoive gambling or his cheating on his first wife and screwing Cidy while still married, or his ability to buy 15 houses with his wife's money (golddigger).
And this sack of sh*t wants to be our president?

Posted by: analyst72 | October 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's what's wrong with McCain/Palin...


Palin apologizes for 'Real America' comment

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

ReadyAimFire McCain, what a wonderful guy.

He's counting on a certain kind of American to be his supporter, and that's fine - that's how politics work in our country.

But what is he going to do if he wins? The only support he's going to have will come from the low-watt rednecks and christian freaks .. is he going to govern our entire country with less than half the people supporting him ...

Sounds just like Bush to me. Even if McCain wins, he's going to be a loser.

Posted by: barfolomew | October 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama is willing to strike in Pakistan to get bin Laden, and wants us to devote our troops to Afghanistan, and McCain says we can't do that.

so who's the one limiting our options with terrorists?

Obama's position on talks without preconditions is barely germane to the issue of what we will do to stop terrorists, let alone a legitimate premise for the flier.

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 21, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a diplomat who believes in conversation and negotiation. McCain is an erratic knee-jerker who wants to shoot at every fantasy of his imagination. Of course he thinks the brochure is OK. It fits to his fantasy.

One can choose a life of fear or a life of optimism. McCain chooses fear; Obama chooses optimism. I choose optimism, too.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 21, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

The McCain legacy loses its luster day-by-day. Very sad.

Posted by: amaikovich | October 21, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

People are finally seeing what I've known for a long time, McCain the MYTH. Now that he is in charge(his campaign),we can see how incompetent he really is. He's been handed everything his whole life(true elitist). The past few weeks especially have shown he can't handle the job of President. He's done nothing in the 28 years while in Washington, go ahead and name something. He's got nothing to run on so he has to smear his opponent. Everyday he looks more and more foolish trying to chase a dream. When all is done, don't be looking for pity, you've thrown that away too.

Posted by: jime2000 | October 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget hate-filled reich-wing talk radio as a factor holding the McCaincer campaign together, Dbeno. McBush sounds like he's channeling Sean Hannity, and Hannity's a mental midget. And that, my friends, is a campaign we can't believe in.

Posted by: Bukkonen | October 21, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it. The only thing holding the McCain campaign together at this point is FoxNews.

Posted by: dbeno1 | October 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden may have spoke the truth when he said Obama will be tested in his first 6 months. The question is who? Putin will flex his muscle only when it gains monetarily and strategically. Georgia, Maybe but they already control the pipeline. Ukraine, out of the question. Tajikistan a distinct possibility with us just south in Afghanistan. Joe has forced Obama to take the route of harsh response to prove he is not to be messed with. Unless Palin resigns and is replaced by Romney, I don't see McCain having a chance. Ask Sarah if she thinks socialist special ed is bad for Trig and other handicapped children. Do you want our elderly choosing between food and medicine? Do you want the single mother of 2 working food service during the week and managing fast food on weekends making $26,000 not to get help with the EIC? Do we let our elderly die in hospices or do we treat them in hospitals with medicare? Socialist governments are some of our best allies in Canada, England, Norway and many others. What some call socialist, others call the righteous helping of the old, sick, handicapped and poor. She should read her Bible for further guidance about leaving the fallen pickings for the poor.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

MarkinAustin: whatever you think of talking to folks without preconditions (personally it's silly to demand that Iran give up it's nuclear program as a precondition - they don't want to talk to us that badly), Obama never suggested that that's all he would do to protect us against terrorits

Since that's what the flier says, it's a damned lie. Obama could go to Iran, and tell the Ayatollahs that if they even blink at Israel we will turn Iran into a large lake, and mean it, for all McCain knows. That's hardly "all they need is a good talking to." a lie is a lie, and if that flier is McCain's standard of truth, then he's scum.

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

More desperate with every passing day, the McCain campaign sinks ever lower.

One wonders, during the two days that Senator Obama is going to be off the campaign trail to attend his apparently dying grandmother, whether there will be even a pause in the on-going Republican attempt to slander and discredit his candidacy?

I feel we passed the "Have you no sense of decency, sir?" point a few weeks back, I think with McCain's refusal to repudiate the "comprehensive sex ed for pre-K" add when he appeared on The View - and the answer was that, at least in pursuit of the Presidency, Senator McCain has none.

Posted by: seankirk | October 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

What the hell has happened to McCain?!?

Back in 2004, someone asked me who would I vote for if it was Hillary vs McCain. Without hesistation I said McCain because I saw Hillary as too devisive of a figure.

Then this year I was relieved that McCain got the Rep nomination--I said either McCain or Obama would be ok with me.

THEN MCCAIN TURNED INTO GEORGE BUSH! He started spewing the same old BUSH partisan crap. He picks someone who clearly isn't ready to run the USA for a VP and he's flip-flop almost daily on different issues looking as unstable and desperate as a teenage boy in a Vitoria Secrets store.

I'm am more scared of McCain/Palin then ever.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

There must be some medical term for it. "Are you nuts?"
"Nuts, yeah, I'm nuts and proud of it. "

Posted by: MikeKelly45 | October 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Good lord. While the stock market keeps testing new lows in the Dow Jones, John McCain keeps testing new lows in campaigning. Is this all he has to offer the country in its time of need?

Posted by: B2O2 | October 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain is acting like a "Hardliner". People like McCain can be easily found in leadership across middle east. Thinking like a "hardliner" will lead us nowhere except down.

Posted by: yeda924 | October 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

What an idiot.

I thought it was Charles Keating who didn't care who he hurt.

White collar criminals, always getting a free pass...

Posted by: alarico | October 21, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yeah! That refusal to even talk to other countries sure has gotten us a long way in the past 8 years.

North Korea went from contained to testing a nuclear bomb -- from a supposed 1 bomb's worth of material to a sure 6-8 bomb's worth. Good job that.

Iran has gone from an outcast to the undisputed heavyweight of the Persian Gulf region, and possibly challenging Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for the title of most important Muslim nation.

Venezuela is now surrounded by left-leaning allies in just about every South American country other than Colombia.

Sure -- good idea John. Don't talk to them.

You know, I seem to remember a much more sane John McCain saying a few years ago regarding Hamas (after it just won the elections in the Palestinian Territories) "of course you have to talk to them. They are a fact. You can't just ignore them." I think I like that McCain better. At least he was intellectually honest.

Posted by: dbeno1 | October 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

From the CNN/YouTube debate, on July 24th, 2007:

Q. "Would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?"

A. "I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this Administration -- is ridiculous."

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how McCain changes his positions when it is to his convenience. In 1992 and 1993, when working hand in glove with Sen John Kerry, an unabashed liberal, to normalize relations with Vietnam, McCain fought tooth and nail not to include preconditions in the agreement that would require the Vietnamese to provide documentation on our MIAs. He went so far as to humiliate representatives of MIA organizations in front of his congressional sub-commitee for daring to suggest that we not enter into such an agreement without Vietnam agreeing to fully cooperate in determining the fate of our MIAs (not to find them alive, but to determine what happened to them). He negotiated with a state responsible for killing over 56,000 of our soldiers without preconditons, and that is not hypothetical.

Posted by: csintala79 | October 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

It is absolutely unbelieveable that this man who once swore to an honor code at the Naval Academy would not only permit, but "Absolutely" state his pride in such a despicable piece of fear-mongering campaign literature. The man no longer has any pride or decency. He cannot be defeated soon enough.

Posted by: jmsbh | October 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

That's right, Obama said that he would meet unconditionally with leaders of Iran, Syria and other state sponsors of terrorism within the first year of his Presidency. He tried to correct that later, but he did say it.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

CONNECT THE DOTS?

ACLU Says NorthCom’s Fighting Unit May Be Illegal

(from http://www.progressive.org)

By Matthew Rothschild, October 21, 2008
The American Civil Liberties Union is raising questions about why the Pentagon has assigned a fighting unit to the United States itself.

On October 1, the Northern Command (NorthCom), for the first time ever, got its own dedicated Army force.

And not just any force. The unit the Pentagon assigned to NorthCom is the 3rd Infantry, First Brigade Combat Team, which has spent three of the last five years in Iraq. One of its specialties is counterinsurgency.

“This is a radical departure from separation of civilian law enforcement and military authority and could, quite possibly, represent a violation of law,” said Mike German, ACLU national security policy counsel. “Our Founding Fathers understood the threat that a standing army could pose to American liberty.”

German also noted that Congress has “passed statutory protections to ensure that the Army could not be turned against the American people,” he said in the ACLU’s press release.

“The erosion of these protections should concern every American,” German said.

The ACLU is seeking documents from the Justice Department, the Pentagon, and Homeland Security that “authorize the deployment of military troops for domestic purposes.”

WHAT IF McCAIN-PALIN'S STRATEGY IS AIMED NOT AT VOTERS, BUT AT THE APPARACHIK?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mccain-palins-fellow-traveler-insinuations-what-if-u-s-security-forces-agree

OR http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

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