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Obama Arrives in Hawaii

Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.) walks off the plane after landing in Honolulu, Hawaii to visit his ailing grandmother. (Hugh Gentry/Reuters)

By Robert Barnes
HONOLULU -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama arrived here today to attend to his gravely ill grandmother, breaking from the campaign trail to be with the woman who played such a powerful role in his upbringing.

After a nine-hour flight, Obama's planed touched down here early Friday morning, and he traveled in a police-escorted motorcade to his maternal grandmother's home on Beretania Street. Madelyn Dunham, who will turn 86 on Saturday, is the "rock" of his family, Obama said, and the "last one left" of the mother and grandparents who raised Obama here in Hawaii.

He went straight from the airport to the modest, downtown apartment of the woman he calls Toot, short for Tutu, the Hawaiian word for grandparent. His half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, has been caring for their Kansas-born grandmother and alerted Obama earlier in the week that she was in serious condition. She was recently released from the hospital with a broken hip and a heart condition.

Obama stepped off the campaign trail to make the visit. He has said before that he regrets not having the chance to say good-bye to his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, who died of cancer in 1995, because he didn't arrive in Hawaii soon enough.

"So I want to make sure that I don't make the same mistake twice," he said in an interview on CBS broadcast Thursday morning. Obama frequently mentions Dunham on the campaign trail, and credits her belief in him and her sacrifice on his behalf as key to his success.

"She's the one who taught me about hard work," Obama said in accepting the Democratic nomination this summer in Denver. "She's the one who put off buying a new car or a new dress for herself so that I could have a better life.

"She poured everything she had into me."

Obama plans to spend Friday with Dunham and his sister, leaving Hawaii in the late afternoon. He is scheduled to fly from there to Nevada, and resume campaigning Saturday morning.

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Section 1481 of the US Code:

"(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth
or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing
any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United
States nationality--
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own
application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent,
after having attained the age of eighteen years; or..."

That's title 8, chapter 12 of the US Code
When Obama moved to Indonesia he was under 18 years of age.

"References in Text

The effective date of this chapter, referred to in subsec. (a), is
the 180th day immediately following June 27, 1952. See section 407 of
act June 27, 1952, set out as an Effective Date note under section 1101
of this title."

We see from this part of Title 8, Chapter 12 section 1481 of the US Code that this law is indeed applicable to the case of Obama when his family moved to Indonesia.

"Sec. 1483. Restrictions on loss of nationality

(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (6) and (7) of section 1481(a)
of this title, no national of the United States can lose United States
nationality under this chapter while within the United States or any of
its outlying possessions, but loss of nationality shall result from the
performance within the United States or any of its outlying possessions
of any of the acts or the fulfillment of any of the conditions specified
in this Part if and when the national thereafter takes up a residence
outside the United States and its outlying possessions.
(b) A national who within six months after attaining the age of
eighteen years asserts his claim to United States nationality, in such
manner as the Secretary of State shall by regulation prescribe, shall
not be deemed to have lost United States nationality by the commission,
prior to his eighteenth birthday, of any of the acts specified in
paragraphs (3) and (5) of section 1481(a) of this title."

Obama was not 18 yet before his family moved to Indonesia, he was 5 or 6, he lived in Indonesia for about 4 years before he was sent back to Hawaii to live with his maternal grandmother so he was 9 or 10. From section 1481 he never lost his nationality, from section 1483 even if he had waited until he was 18 to move back, he would have had 6 months to do something to continue his US citizenship without ever letting it lapse.

Posted by: jacobktm | October 26, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse


Only the second of these two quotes posted by diamondgirl2 is actually in Dreams From My Father. The alleged quote from Obama's other book I can't comment on, I don't have it. I have dreams from my father in PDF format, so I can search it, so I did search it. The first quote wasn't there. Maybe diamondgirl2 could post what page it's from. As for the second quote, if you read the entire chapter in context you'll understand what he was saying. Quote mining is not a very honest way to get a point accross, even less so when you make up quotes...not that diamondgirl2 made up the quote I'm sure. My guess is that someone else made up that first quote and diamondgirl2 assumed it was true without checking.

Posted by: jacobktm | October 26, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

It's good for Obama to see his grandmother
watch funny videos

Posted by: roverfind | October 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse


Again, you are basing you questioning on hearsay and assumptions from known unreliable sources. Obama was born in the United States and no one has proved otherwise. He is a natural US citizen and no one has proved otherwise. You speculate he renounced his US citizenship when he was 3-9 years old, but you don't know. You have rumor and innuendo, but no facts.

Stop and think for a moment, if there was anything to this don't you think that a Republican run Department of Justice would have investigated this? They may have, we don't know, but if they did they didn't find anything to pursue. So why is that? Well maybe because there is nothing to find.

Evidently you don't understand why someone, even someone running for president wouldn't pander to a plaintiff, whose mental stability is suspect, in a frivolous lawsuit unless the judge so ordered it when they have already taken measures far beyond what is required. Remember, the US government doesn't have an issue with the question of citizenship.

You are creating a story line which fits what you want to believe and if that's the delusion which appeals to you, it is your prerogative. As long as you don't hurt anyone else because of it, I will defend your right to believe whatever you so wish, whether I agree or not.

As for the examples I gave about McCain and Palin being a space alien, that was meant to be absurd counterpoint, not to be taken seriously. On the other hand the AIP and Wasilla Assembly of G-d questions were absolutely serious. Good luck in you quest for the "truth".

Posted by: wes1155 | October 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

wes1155, When Obama lived in Indonesia, they did not recognize dual citizenship. A dual citizen cannot serve as US President.

So, the question remains, did Obama re-gain his US citizenship if he renounced it to become an Indonesian citizen?

The other examples you gave about McCain being a Chinese agent and Palin being an alien are not even realistic. However, the issues concerning Obama are realistic and all have not been satisfactory addressed by millions of Americans. There is doubt and Obama needs to release his vault birth certificate. He is not required to have it in his possession but it can easily be released in Hawaii. He can ask for it to be released! He has the authority to do so without a court order forcing him to.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 25, 2008 5:12 AM | Report abuse


You have already reached your conclusion and you are just looking for affirmation of what you wish to believe so there is no point trying to reason with you.

I have news for you, YOU can file a lawsuit yourself just as anyone can no matter how ridiculous and frivolous it is. Sure it will likely get thrown out just like the ones "in every state", but you can do it if you so desire.

Again, you totally discount the fact these innuendos and lies come from a person who has time and again been shown to be unstable. If that is who you wish to believe I'm certainly not going to change your thinking. Good luck to you in your search for you truth.

Personally the smears don't bother me in the least and I don't believe Obama is hiding any deep, dark secret. There have been too many lies and smears against him which have been disproved in an attempt to assassinate his character rather than to address the issues which matter. Quite frankly I am and many others are sick to death of the Rovian campaign tactics of the RNC/Palin-McCain campaign. Obama isn't perfect, but he is far, far better than McCain.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 25, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

wes1155, you are missing the point. There is something that Obama does not want people to know about himself and the clue is on his original birth certificate. He refuses to release it. Obama has created this himself about himself, not some maniac. It is not a conspiracy.

The facts have nothing to do with McCain or Palin. It has to do with Obama not releasing his original birth certificate.

There are other law suits being filed this very minute in each state that are pressing the State Secretary of State to present the original birth certificate of Obama before the election to preclude a US Constitutional crisis. They must present that Obama is or is not a natural born citizen. No conspiracy, as it is required. Others are filing petitions with their State Secretary of State for them to present the original birth certificate to avoid a law suit.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 25, 2008 4:40 AM | Report abuse

And sonnychiba72,

As I tried to explain to you but you seemed to have missed entirely, I don't have my vault copy either, but there is no conspiratorial reason. Have you even checked to see what it was Hawaii issued 47 years ago?

And as for the on line version being redacted, of course they are going to blank out the number. It would be like posting your social security number or bank account on a web site. If you wonder what would happen just try it. Like the guy in England did daring hackers to break into his bank account. Guess what? They did.

Again you and those "millions of other Americans" are looking and I believe, hoping for a conspiracy where one doesn't exist. If you don't want to or don't feel comfortable voting for Obama, don't, but for heaven's sake, don't keep perpetuating conspiracy theories which have their roots in a lunatic. At least find someone more credible to base it one. Again, research Martin before you research the conspiracy".

So who shot JFK anyway? What are they hiding at Roswell? Why won't Palin release her medical records and who's baby is Trig really? See what I mean?

Posted by: wes1155 | October 25, 2008 4:03 AM | Report abuse


IF he ever became a citizen of Indonesia. Do you know how old he was? Come on man, think. And let's take the hypothetical as fact, haven't you ever heard of dual citizenship?

So how do we know for sure McCain wasn't brainwashed and planted by the Chinese and all they are waiting for is to throw the switch? They certainly had enough time to do it. No one can prove he wasn't, so by your definition of what should be known we should assume the worse.

Again, if you want to find out equally or more disturbing potential conspiracies, find out about the AIP and Wasilla Assembly of G-d connections. Or does that not happen to coincide with a predisposed political slant. You say you want the truth so find out ALL of the truth of ALL of the candidates. Otherwise you are just pursuing a personal and selective agenda.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 25, 2008 3:48 AM | Report abuse

wes1155, Yes, the truth is what I am searching for, not hearsay, not theories. I, and millions of other concerned Americans, want the truth about the real Barack Obama. We demand to know the truth. Since Obama is running for President, he must put an end to all the rumors once and for all. He can do that by releasing his original vault birth certificate. What is so hard about that?

The copy that Obama and the DNC presented, the only one I can find anywhere online, is a computer made copy that has the cert. number blocked out. It is not even a certified copy of a vault birth certificate. What was presented was not made in 1961.

The other question is, if Obama became a citizen of Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, if he had an Indonesian passport, when did he regain his American citizenship? Did he once renounce his American citizenship? Seriously, I want the truth. I don't want rumors.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 25, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

It is a very good question as to why Obama does not take his wife and children to visit his grandmother. Something is wrong with this picture.

His grandmother knows the truth about her grandson. Due to all the secrecy about Obama's birth certificate, we, as concerned Americans, need the true story. She also knows the entire story as to where he was really born and about his days in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro.

There are too many un-answered questions about Obama and it never ceases to amaze me how easy the American public has been deceived by it all!

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 25, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse


Palin was campaigning in Roswell, New Mexico the other day, ROSWELL! What was she doing there? And she was there without McCain. Hmm...very suspicion. I've heard stories about her being a space alien and that sure seems to proves it.

Again, if you want to believe in a conspiracy, nothing is going to convince you otherwise, facts are just an inconvenience to be brushed aside and ignored. No one is going to convince there isn't one, certainly not here.

You make assumptions and assertions you cannot possibly know about nor can any blogger, talking head or pundit. Have they ever interviewed Mrs. Dunham? So you are willing to base your beliefs on hearsay. Some people are predisposed to believe the worse when it validates what they wish to believe. Truth and facts just aren't important.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe Mrs. Dunham doesn't want anyone else to visit? She wouldn't be the first older person who didn't want people to see her in a degenerating condition, I know about that from personal experience in my family. You just don't know the facts and you know what? It isn't your's or anyones entitlement to know either. Whatever it is it is between them, it is their business and theirs alone.

My suggestion to you is to contact the plaintiffs of any one of the frivolous lawsuits and see if you can join them, then you can find out for yourself first hand. Let the rest of us know what you find out. Otherwise why don't you start researching the Palin family connections to the Alaskan Independence Party and the Wasilla Assembly of G-d since no one else is.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 25, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

How come Michelle did not accompany him to Hawaii?

Posted by: Verrazzano | October 25, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

One can read the details from Obama's Hawaiian vacation last August. He spent one hour with his grandmother. One hour. Once more, he visited her alone. His grandmother is reportedly gravely ill, so he visits her in Hawaii, alone.

The closeness Obama tells between he and his grandmother does not exist and it hasn't for many years. Yes, this is all his business but when he portrays something different, then it is misleading. He should just be honest and say that they have been estranged for many years and Obama will not take his wife and children to visit her.

There is a law suit in Hawaii and concerned Americans want the truth about Obama's identity and his citizenship issues. A judge is being asked to break the seal and disclose the real birth certificate once and for all. The question remains, why is Obama refusing to release his orignal vault birth certificate?

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 25, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse


STUDENT: Why is it that someone like my father who goes to school for 13 years gets penalized in a huge tax bracket because he's a doctor. Why is that - why does he have to pay higher taxes than everybody else? Just because he makes more money. How is that fair?

MCCAIN: I think you're questioning, questioning the fundamentals of a progressive tax system where people who make more money pay more in taxes than a flat across the board percentage. I think it's to some degree because we feel obviously that wealthy people can afford more. We have over the years beginning with John F. Kennedy reduced some of those marginal tax rates to make them less onerous. I believe that when you really look at the tax code the very wealthy because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes really don't pay as much as you think they do, when you just look at the percentages. And I think middle income Americans, working Americans, who when you count in payroll taxes, sales taxes, mortgage -- all of the, all of the taxes that working Americans pay -- I think you would also think that they also deserve very significant relief.

At that point host Chris Matthews asked for members of the audience to applaud if they support wealthier people paying a higher percentage of their incomes; there was loud applause.

STUDENT: I still don't see how that's fair...aren't we getting closer and closer to Socialism and stuff...?

MCCAIN: Look, here's what I really believe: That when you are, when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more. But at the same time it shouldn't be totally out of proportion.

McCain added that the "first people who deserve a tax cut are working Americans...and they're the ones I would support tax cuts for first."

Posted by: seemstome | October 24, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse


You know what? I don't have my "vault copy" of my birth certificate. You know why? Because when I was a teenager I tried to alter it so I could get a sheriffs ID. You know what else? It didn't work. Now all I have is a photocopy from the hospital. That is all they will supply. So I guess I am not an America citizen either. Oh! but wait! The US Government thinks so since they issued me a passport. Like...yup, Obama.

Besides, they found the birth announcement in the archives of the local paper. So what, they have been planning this incidious plot for 47 years? Come on man, get rational for your own sake.

Really, I think you are way way to caught up in a conspiracy which doesn't exist. Andrew Martin is a proven nut case. Heck if it didn't fit in conveniently with their aspirations, even the conservative wingnuts wouldn't have anything to do with him. He's out there, WAY out there.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 24, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse


Why all the Coverage about something that should just be Personal there O'Bomba-Nation?


Personally, I think getting thrown under your Bus did not make your Tutu too happy!

Da F'ing Happa Haole one Ufa-Guy! :-(

Posted by: SAINT---The | October 24, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

jontorrance, Why should we be concerned about Obama's birth certificate? Because if he is the son of Frank Marshall Davis then he has misled people about his identity. If he is the son of a member of the Communist Pary USA, then I think Americans and the world need to know.

The document I've seen online is not Obama's original birth certificate. It is a copy of a new document that was produced on a computer. Computers were not used when Obama was born in 1961. I actually have two certified original birth certificates copies and one is a black and white microfilm copy.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

This coming election in November is nothing but a liberal press OBAMANATION.

Posted by: jrbreslin1 | October 24, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

God bless her. All politics aside, I hope she hangs in there long enough to see her boy win the election. I know that if I was elected President, it would be a pretty hollow victory if I couldn't tell me mother about it.

Posted by: omega_man | October 24, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Republicans who realize George W Bush is a failure now suddenly say "oh, if I voted the way I believe, I'd vote Liberterian." Enjoy the comedy.

Remember how riled up everyone was over Bill Clinton lying? What goes on behind closed doors, between two adults, is nobody's business.

Remember the monthly jobs creation reports of the past eight years? Now's there's lying on an eight year grand scale. George W Bush and dimwit US Labor Secretary Elaine Chao have rarely met their monthly jobs creation target--in the US it takes the creation of 100K-130K new jobs created per month just to absorb new graduates into the workforce. Job offshored? It's not being replace and it's not coming back. As long as Republicans haven't raised taxes on CEOs, Republicans don't care.

Bet you haven't heard Rush Limbaugh call Bush a liar. I've been calling them liars for 8 years. I am a Republican; I did not vote for Bush.

Enjoy the comedy as Roger Ailes, Rush Limbaugh, and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth try to distance the Republican Party from George W. Bush.

Posted by: kevten | October 24, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

A Majority of Small Businesses that EMPLOY PEOPLE make over 250K in profits- So, let's tax them AND take away the tax advantages of 401K's-

From- Investment News- the leading news source for investment advisors

Congress mulls major 401(k) changes
By Sara Hansard
October 7, 2008, 5:18 PM EST Post a Comment Recommend (252)

A wide range of sweeping changes to the 401(k) system were proposed Tuesday at a hearing on how the market crisis has devastated retirement savings plans.
Chief among them was eliminating $80 billion in tax savings for people enrolled in 401(k) retirement savings plans.

This was suggested by the chairman of the House Committee on Education and Labor.

“With respect to the 401(k), it appears to be a plan that is not really well-devised for the changes in the market,” Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., said.

“We’ve invested $80 billion into subsidizing this activity,” he said, referring to tax breaks allowed for 401(k) contributions and savings.

With savings rates going down, “what do we have to start to think about in Congress of whether or not we want to continue and invest that $80 billion for a policy that is not generating what we … say it should?” Mr. Miller said.

Congress should let workers trade their 401(k) assets for guaranteed retirement accounts made up of government bonds, suggested Teresa Ghilarducci, an economics professor at The New School for Social Research in New York.

When workers collected Social Security, the guaranteed retirement account would pay an inflation-adjusted annuity under her plan.

“The way the government now encourages 401(k) plans is to spend $80 billion in tax breaks,” which goes to the highest-income earners, Ms. Ghilarducci said.

That simply results in transferring money from taxed savings accounts to untaxed accounts, she said.

“If we implement automatic [individual retirement accounts] or if we expand the 401(k) system, all we’re doing is adding to this inefficiency,” Ms. Ghilarducci said.

Rep. Robert Andrews, D-N.J., raised the issue of which investment advisers are allowed to offer workers investment advice.

The Department of Labor is considering “loopholes” that would allow advisers to offer “conflicted investment advice if the advisers work for subsidiaries of financial services companies that sell the investments,” he said.

With American workers facing $2 trillion in losses from retirement plans over the past year and Democrats expected to gain seats in the House and the Senate, actions being contemplated by the committee are an important harbinger of what could come out of Congress next year.

(Wonder if a Democratic Congress and White House could get this done? Can't do much about the former, But Can about the latter. Same plan was pushed through in Argentina!)

Posted by: thecannula | October 24, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I read on the BBC web site today that "fart gas" (hydrogen sulphide) has been linked to lower blood pressure.

You would think with the odoriferous stench which is emanating from some of the neocons and right wingnuts posting here they they wouldn't be in quite the tizzy they seem to be in.

Cling to the outlier polls, it is your only hope. Unless of course McCain's foreign endorsements rescue his campaign, which I wouldn't put it past them to do. They know who would be better for their cause.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 24, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Wonder who Barack will tap for Secy. of State and Treasury Secy.? I think he's likely to name his Tresaury Secy. on Nov. 5th. Ideas?

Posted by: HonestHonestAbe | October 24, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

sonnychiba72 wrote: "AJ, I am sure that Obama has a legitimate birth certificate if he was born in Hawaii but we would like to know who his father is, if a father is listed at all. "Unknown" would really be bad if that is the case but worse would be if his father is Frank Marshall Davis!"

You're allegedly gone, sonnychiba72, but if you ever come back, would you mind telling us why we should care even if Obama is the biological child of Frank Marshall Davis? Did the founders write into the US Constitution that being his child disqualified one from the presidency?

Posted by: jontorrance | October 24, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse today-

If we drop out the Zogby survey--polling that has been erratic and out of sync with most other organizations--Obama's lead drops to 4.2%, 48.8% to 44.6%. Odder still, are the results of the IBD/TIPP daily tracking poll (worthy of notice, because TIPP was the most accurate pollster in 2004, predicting the outcome within a fraction of a percentage point): they show the race virtually dead even nationally. IBD/TIPP writes: "McCain has cut into Obama's lead for a second day and is now just 1.1 points behind. The spread was 3.7 Wednesday and 6.0 Tuesday. The Republican is making headway with middle- and working- class voters, and has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000. He has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics."

Throw some more of The Palestinian's and Nadhmi Auchi's (Rezko's loan officer) at the Catholics Obama!!!

Posted by: thecannula | October 24, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Any other conspiracy theories? Maybe he was born in Kenya, raised by wolves until he was 8 years old, then was rescued by Al Qaeda operatives and the placed a ticking time bomb in his belly that is set to go off on November 5, 2008 at noon.
Seriously people!!!!
Instead of focusing on those moronic issues, why don't you spend most of your time looking at your 401k statements to make sure you don't become one of those undesirables on welfare.
And by the way, who wants to elect the guy who was caught during a war. I want to elect the guy who wasn't caught as a prisoner during the war. (LIKE CHRIS ROCK SAYS).

Posted by: Danny_20852 | October 24, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

eholmes77: I list eleven things wrong with FactCheck's promotion of BHO's "birth certificate" here:

The fact remains that there is no definitive proof that BHO was born in HI. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | October 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

there is also no proof that john mccain isnt an alien from outerspace. i mean, have you ever seen him bleed? is it red or green? medical records can be falsified. and since i've never seen him naked, i cant really be sure he's a man for that matter. until i see proof that he is a carbon based life form, i believe he is ineligible to be president of the united states.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 24, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

hey losers! just get used to President Barrack Hussein Obama!

Posted by: BFranco | October 24, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

eholmes77: I list eleven things wrong with FactCheck's promotion of BHO's "birth certificate" here:

The fact remains that there is no definitive proof that BHO was born in HI. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | October 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse


Again you are not up to speed on how our political system works. He has run for state and federal office and now president, so the registrars office has had to verify his citizenship at least 3 times in the past 4 years. If they dont see a problem why do you?

Posted by: rharring | October 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: JBRACALE | October 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The birth certificate thing again? Wow.

How can you need more proof than this?

Posted by: eholmes77 | October 24, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse


The reason you are getting slammed is the ridicoulous claims you are bringing up that Obama is not visiting his grandmother but trying to destroy his birth certificate. I like a good intellectual debate but the facts you are bringing up is ludicrous. I have see an email the GOP has sent out that says the same thing, same kind of attacks McCain underwent in 2000 when they said he was brainwashed while held captive and had a illegitimate child with a prostitute. So if you want to debate Obamas record or what he will do that is great i welcome that. But when you bring up Rush Limbaugh type material then you should expect what comes with it...

Posted by: rharring | October 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse


I don't think people are slamming you to be nasty per se, but there has been so much nonsense spewed about Obama the past 16 months which has been discredited and disproved, people are quite frankly sick and tired of it. Almost all of the worst of it can be traced back through the idiot Corsi and ultimately the lunatic Martin.

If you disagree with Obama on issues, fine. If you think he is a socialist, fine. If you don't want to vote for him because he his half black, fine, at least you are being honest. But these personal attacks are what these neocons and right wingnuts want to make the issue even after the smears have been discredited long ago. And even corrupting a guy going to see his sick grandmother and turn it into a conspiracy, well that is just plain sick. America deserves better than that!

Posted by: wes1155 | October 24, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Like I said before, it is a shame that Americans cannot share their opinions in an appropriate manner without being called names and being verbally attacked. I've not been disrespectful to one person here.

I would expect this in Cuba, in North Korea, in Russia, and in Radical Islamic States but I would never expect this in America.

Have funs guys. Keep on slamming people, Obama supporters. I guess if Obama is elected, if he is not asked to withdraw,this is what I have to look forward to.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

There is only one reason a candidate will spend as much money as Barack Obama is spending on TV adds. He is way behind in the true polls taken by the non-liberal pollsters. I ran for Congress once and stated publically I would not spend once penny to get elected to any office.
If the voters wanted a Congressman that would represent their interest and views then get off your lazy behinds and vote. Of course I was not elected even when I had a 17,000 vote lead in the begining. The election was stolen since i had no funds to challenge the opponents results.

Posted by: jrbreslin1 | October 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse


Same here i supported McCain in 2000 then Gore. I dont believe in either political party. What i dont get is people who hear like you about this lawsuit but dont go further to see the nut that brought the suit...Also Obama invited the press along to Hawaii so if he burns his birth certificate im sure it will be reported....

Posted by: rharring | October 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

sonnychiba72 @ 8:49 am and snakeheader@10:12 am:

The campaign worker woman in PA admits to making up the story. Pittsburgh police are considering pressing charges against her

Posted by: destinysmom | October 24, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Just a few points as an independant voter why I would not vote for McCain.
1. Support of Iraq War and his comments about Iran, short fuse and I don't want a maverick for president this is dangerous.
2. The 2000 McCain does not exist anymore
I would have voted for him then. He did not stand up to Bush the past 8 years, he did support him 90% of the time, words from his own mouth.
3. He is to much up in age to handle the stress of the white house, with two wars and the economy, we need a younger person that will not make hasty decisions.
4. Most of all because his pick for the Vice President. Mrs. Palin would be what we would get if something happens to McCain..God forbid. Mrs Palin might be fine to run the state of Alaska but she could not handle the whole United States.
5. United States, the first word UNITED is a key factor for this country to move foward. Comparing all the rallies for both candidates it is easy to see who the uniter is. (UNITED WE CAN CONQUER ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING) DEVIDED WE WILL FALL) We as a nation can not let hatred and bigotry determine our future as a nation. We have a chance Nov. 4th to elect an energetic, intelligent president that will surround himself with qualified intelligent advisors who can bring this country together, make this country healthy, strong so we can be the leaders in the eyes of the rest of the world; not only with a strong economy but also leaders in new energy and the health of our most important earth. We need to stop thinking red and blue let's change the color to green. Let's us not destroy ourselves because of petty nonsense. Let's live with one another in peace, we all come from the same seed.

Posted by: rose31 | October 24, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I hate to burst anyone's bubble but there is a Federal Law suit against Obama right now that is not being reported about in the media. He has failed to meet the qualifications to be President and he will be asked to withdraw unless he meets those qualifications.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

yes, please look into that lawsuit. brought by an publicity hound attorney in pa who also sought to bring RICO charges against bush for 9/11. he's a real good example of the type of folks who run with this stuff. at least in that attorney's case, i think he's doing it for publicity only. i think guys like sonny actually believe this stuff despite how many independent web sites disprove the allegations.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 24, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

dcsportfan, yes I do have a certified copy of my "vault" birth certificate and the original is on file in the city where I was born in USA.

Posted by: sonnychiba72
so some idiot american is responsible for you? huuuuray...

Posted by: LABC | October 24, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse


When you run for office be it city, state or federal the registrars office verifies your signatures and our US citizenship. Obama has run for state and federal office and now President which means his US citizenship has been reviewed and proven valid by no less than 3 registrars offices. Now if a registrars office filed suit you may have something. They guy who filed suit is a now anti-semite who has run for congress in 3 different state of which he only resided in 1 of those states, and he has used 2 different names when running.

Posted by: rharring | October 24, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Sonny, not being in the hospital is the tip. She has cancer. Once doctors determine that they can't do anymore for you, they don't keep you in the hospital. They send you where you'll be the most comfortable, i.e. not the hospital, so that you can die without doctors beating down the door to ask how you're doing every 5 minutes. Will you feel better about Obama if she dies? Or will feel like the human filth you are?

And where's the clown from yesterday who kept posting about the McCain volunteer getting a B scratched into her face? Are you here, stupid? You put responsibility for that on Obama. And now it turns out to be a hoax. She admitted it. The "B" she carved into her face was backwards, as in she did it to herself while looking in the mirror. Feeling like a complete tool? That's a shame.

Posted by: cao091402 | October 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Rharring, I was not a Bush supporter in 2000 nor in 2004. I supported McCain in 2000, then Al Gore.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

dcsportfan, a "vault" birth certificate is basically the original long version.

I hate to burst anyone's bubble but there is a Federal Law suit against Obama right now that is not being reported about in the media. He has failed to meet the qualifications to be President and he will be asked to withdraw unless he meets those qualifications.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

sonnychiba72 spewed:

Limey, McCain has kept his word not to bring up Rev Wright in the campaign,... Blah, blah, blah...

I hope McCain does bring up Rev. Wright and in fact I am willing to bet you out of this sad old man's desperation he will. Just another example of what a desperate, pathetic caricature of what he once professed he was and has now become.

And in your vast internet research I suggest you actually listen to the complete sermons of Rev. Wright rather than just the 30 or 60 second sound bites. You still may not agree with Rev. Wright, but I don't believe you will find it so "scary!" and "shocking!" as it has been portrayed. Compared to the likes of Robertson, Dobson, Falwell and Hagee to name a few, who had or have vastly larger audiences and support Palin-McCain, it means almost nothing.

Something else my good person, if you believe everything you read on the internet without taking into account the source, you are a poor, gullible soul indeed. I will guarantee if you go looking for validation for lies and smears, you will find them. To put your faith in googled results without due diligence is a foolish thing.

What, do you think just because you read it on some blog or web site it is true? If you believe the regular media is a cesspool of misinformation, they don't hold a candle to what is available on the internet. Seek and ye shall find, not matter how lunatic and off the wall it is.

Your fundamental problem begins with believing as factual anything which falls out of Andrew Martin's mouth. The man is a lunatic and you don't have to take my word for it, google it.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse


First rule about politicians, THEY ALL LIE, this thing about the Hawaii trip is over the top. So answer my question about Bush not releasing his military records, did it bother you in 2000 that he didnt release them? Or wouldnt confirm he was a coke addict? Seriously were you worried then?

Posted by: rharring | October 24, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

sonnychiba72 wrote "There is a controversy in Hawaii about Obama's birth certificate and the media is not even writing about it. This is why he went to Hawaii."

Actually, the most informed conservative blogs tell us that he is there to sacrifice the blood of newborn infants on the altar of an ancient Polynesian deity, in order to irrevocably seal the deal whereby he will deliver the virgins of American to Islamic Terrorists in return for eternal immortality. They have it on the best authority.

Posted by: nodebris | October 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Limey, I already established that I am not a GOP faithful. So, please, don't put me there. I am not a Democratic faithful, either.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Scott, there is nothing anywhere that says Obama's grandmother is dying. She is not even in the hospital. She broke her hip and she was released to go home. Obama did not go to the hospital when she first broke her hip, nor did he take his wife and children with him on this visit. Wouldn't he do that if it would be the last time they would see her?

There is a controversy in Hawaii about Obama's birth certificate and the media is not even writing about it. This is why he went to Hawaii.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

seriously, what is a vault birth certificate, i've never heard of that.

and anyway, you have a "certified copy" of your vault certificate, whatever that is. what is the difference between that and what the obama campaign provided fact and other media outlets? i'm sure these a just the same liberal media elites who are in the tank for obama....

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

WOW - when the GOP "faithful" list Colin Powell as an "undesirable", but they still can't provide the evidence required, I would have to say "slam dunk"!

Clearly, you need a bigger glass!

Posted by: Limey51 | October 24, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Rharring, my world will not end if Obama is elected. However, I will not turn a blind eye that Obama has not been honest with Americans about his true identity. He is not honest as to why he went to Hawaii.

Before Obama takes office, if he is elected, he will have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is who he says he is. He hasn't done that yet or we would not be having this information sharing.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight. This story is about Senator Obama going to see his grandmother, who is dying and may not make it until November 4, and you idiots are using this string to post slurs and personal attacks against him? You people are disgusting excuses for human beings.

Posted by: scott032 | October 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse


So when are you going to list McCains undesirable buddies? Oh i forgot you only rant against Obama. Should we go thru McCains list?

Posted by: rharring | October 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Limey, McCain has kept his word not to bring up Rev Wright in the campaign, which is enough to stop Obama cold. Obama even took his wife and children to hear this anti-American so called minister. It was only when Obama was put on the hot seat that he stopped going to church.

Obama has a long list of friends that one would not want to hang around. Google Dr Khalid al Mansour, Rashid Khalidi, Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, ACORN, Colin Powell, Rev Wright, Rezco, and Farrakhan. That should keep you busy for awhile and you can see their connections with Obama. Is it positive?

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Dear sonnychiba72:

Would you please supply the EVIDENCE that Obama was born in Kenya.

The rule of the land is "Innocent until proven guilty" - it is your job to provide sufficient evidence to the contrary. Just making the claim is not enough. FACTS are what we need, not words. If you can't provide that evidence, then there is no case, simply innuendo - which seems to be all the GOP have got at the moment.

Need more ice in that KoolAid?

Posted by: Limey51 | October 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse


So were you this vigourous about Bush's military record? If that would have been released we may not be in the mess we are in. If you want to believe he was born in Kenya go right ahead, to me it makes no difference, it just shows how desperate the GOP is and how hypocritical. And these comments about how long or why his family isnt visiting is frankly none of your business and has no affect on the campaign. Just desperation by the cheating GOP. All you have to do is look at your current president to see why Obama will win, has nothing to do with race, where he was born, his pastor or who he hangs with, it all has to do with the poorly equipped president the GOP supplied in 2000. It also shows how poor a voter the GOP supporters are, you never heard how smart or what Bush could do, he was elected because he was a Christian and was to battle the gays. What you and the GOP ilk forgot was there is more to running a country than scaring it with false lies. So live with the results now...........

Posted by: rharring | October 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

dcsportfan, yes I do have a certified copy of my "vault" birth certificate and the original is on file in the city where I was born in USA.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Okay if the Great Messiah Barack Obama gave
a damn about his supposedly "dying grandmother,then why the Hell did that damn
lying scumbag take all week before he got
on his fake Air Farce One to get his lying
butt to Hawaii to see her,before "she died"
now then? And why didn't his idiotic hateful wife Michelle Obama and their two
kids go to see "their dying greatgrandmother for a last time as well?

Wake Up and Use Your Heads People as this
nothing but another slimey sleazy dirty
cheap political gimmick by Obama and his
phony dirtbag campaign manager sleazy scumbag David Axelrod to tug on your damn
sympathy for poor Barack Hussein Obama is
all and so wise up to it now people will
you? Obama & Axelrod are pulling the wool
over you stupid bleating sheeps head again!

This smells so fishy that even rotting dead
fish in a fish market smell better! And it
damn well proves what John McCain and Sarah
Palin have been saying all along,that lying
Socialist Barack Hussein Obama will say
anything and do anything to get his stupid
grandiose delusional egomanic butt elected.
Or,did you kool aid drinker Obama cult members forget this same scumbag Messiah
Barack Hussein Obama and Michelle Obama had
already thrown this same Obama Granmother
under the bus,during the Obama/Rev Jerimiah
Wright Scandal and that Barack Obama never
cared enough about his also white mother
to go see her when Barack Hussein Obama
knew his mother was dying so still dumb
enough to think this phony empty suit lying
fake Messiah Barack Hussein Obama cares a
damn bit about his "alledgedly dying Hawaiian Grandmother," do you? Then I would
like to sell you my bridge in Brooklyn!
No More Liars Like Bush & Cheney OR Obama
and Biden in OUR WHITE HOUSE! And No More
Lying Cocaine Addicts and/or Alcoholics
in the White House after George W Bush,in
the form of Drug Addict Barack Obama and
old lush drunken big mouth Joe Biden!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | October 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse


No rants about the Free Masons or the Bilderburgs?

Come on people! Can't you see what's happening?!!!!


Posted by: toritto | October 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey Road, John McCain was born on a US Military base and BOTH his parents were US citizens. My very own son has a US passport and he was born overseas when I was an ESL teacher. Both are much different than in Obama's case. Did Obama go through the proper channels to become a US citizen if he was born in Kenya? That is the legal question. Research Immigration Law!

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Will the media ask Obama the Marxist, why it took 4 days to get to Hawaii? Will they ask Obama "Hey Barry where the heck are the wife and kids?" Is this how a "typical white women" should be treated?

Posted by: vgailitis | October 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse


My apologies, I misread your post. Glad you are on the right side!

Posted by: Limey51 | October 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear sonnychiba72:

"The other party blocked every such attempt"

Sorry, the GOP had enough majority that the Dems could not block them.

"Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. Obama reaped contributions from Fannie Mae!"

And so did Jon McCain - not to mention that he repeatedly voted with the GOP to loosen the regs - and on March 27th 2008 stated "what the banks need is less regullation".

"After Fred Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing. This was Obama."

Check YOUR facts - this is a complete fabrication. There is a HUGE difference between "talking" and "consulting" - sorry, you are wrong again. Does McShame take advice from EVERYONE he talks to?

"If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, people would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in the papers and online every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was."

Hmmm... lets talk Keating 5, or Liddy. Obama has kept his word and NOT brought up those issues. And MANY more! Lets talk about 894/899, or incompetent pilot, or using "daddy" to get through Naval College, or giving info to the enemy, or cheating on his wife - all FACTS!

"There you have it. Truth that can be verified online on google. Check it out for yourself."

I did - you must be using the GOP filter on your Google! Sorry, but we need references!

Keep drinking that KoolAid - you obviously need it!

Posted by: Limey51 | October 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

sonny, why don't you enlighten us as to what a "vault" birth certificate is. do you have one or do you rely on a certified copy like the one the guys at got from the obama campaign?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

sunnychiba, did you know McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone? It wasn't until a year LATER that Congress passed a law that stated that children born to American citizens overseas would be automatically have American citizenship. So, according to that law, McCain would not be a legitimate American citizen. GO RESEARCH THE LAW.

Posted by: roadhusseinrunner | October 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I am not grasping at straws at all. In fact, I just read a very interesting article that states Obama was born in Kenya and Obama has law suits pending against him that he must prove he can legally be President! So either way, whether he was born in Kenya or else he is the son of Frank Marshall Davis, Obama Nation has to erase a lot of doubts in the minds of Americans.

The bottom line is, why did it come to all of this? Why didn't he release his original "vault" birth certificate in the beginning and there would not be a controversy?
The truth will come out before November 4. All of this is the real reason behind Obama's trip to Hawaii.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Gee, it took four days to get to Hawaii after he announced he had to leave immediately, and give countless interviews about how important that "typcial white woman" is to him! What a disingenuous bore! The guys ego is bigger than his abilities!

Posted by: vgailitis | October 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I guess a bit more education about the highly ethical Democraps is in order to penetrate that thick head of yours.

When you post your banal, mind numbing tripe regarding Obamoron, the democraps, or thier constituients, you really reflect the fact that you've never studied your party enough to realize that it was the Democrats who created the Ku Klux Klan, White Primaries, Poll Taxes, voter literacy tests, Gerrymandering, Union thugs intimidating voters, the Daley machine, the Prendergast machine, and Tammany Hall in order to throw elections and suppress minority voters.


Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

bcamp is an angry sad man/woman. resorting to accusations of what democrats may or may not have done 50 plus years ago. really is relevant to today's election. don't know why he's picking on my, i was just correcting some factual inaccuracies in his alter ego sonny's previous post. i suppose facts aren't important to him/her. lets all worry about obama's birth certificate, which as anyone with half a brain would know, has been authenticated by independent sources. i'm sure he would have been able to be sworn in as us senator if he wasnt a citizen. btw, has anyone seen mccains birth certificate?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse


Grasping at straws there are you? This shows how bad you GOP supporters have gone. Its his family not yours, you have no idea why or anything else about his grandmother. Dont you wish you that 150,000 was spent on ads instead of Palin maybe you would be still in the race...

Posted by: rharring | October 24, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

limey, chill man. i was simply countering the argument that sonny made. i'm with you. relax relax.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

AJ, I am sure that Obama has a legitimate birth certificate if he was born in Hawaii but we would like to know who his father is, if a father is listed at all. "Unknown" would really be bad if that is the case but worse would be if his father is Frank Marshall Davis!

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with you on all points, AJ.

Taking money from Fannie Mae would be like the Pentagon giving money to Senators and Congressmen/Congresswomen who voted for a military budget increase!

Obama has NEVER released his original "vault" copy of his birth certificate nor even a copy of the original "vault" copy.

Last but not least, I don't listen to FOX or conservative radio. I get my information from Internet Research because if I depended upon the news media, I would be an ill-informed American, like many in this generation.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

On Nov 4 we will elect Obama president and all the Rep whiners can STFU as the losers they are.

Posted by: AbolhassanBaniSadr | October 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse the spirit of Tommy on the past hit show MARTIN, "YOU STUPID."

Of course Obama has a legitimate birth certificate. He was born in Hawaii. Maybe you may be like Sarah Palin and don't believe Hawaii is a pro-American state.

Secondly you have been listening way too much to conservative radio and FOX NEWS. Just because the employees of a company (like Fannie Mae) contribute to your campaign legally does not make it wrong.

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 24, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

A few days ago I exchanged several emails with an onl Army bud in Ohio.

He was very annoyed when earlier this year I told him I was supporting Obama. He was annoyed but he laughed...."like that black guy with the arab name has a chance!"

Last Tuesday he seemed on the verge of hysteria. There was no talking to him.

Watching the polls had turned him from confidence to disbelief to anger. It was as if his entire world view was coming apart.

I suggested that we not discuss politics since neither one of us was going to change the other's mind. I wished him luck in his efforts for his candidate.

Then I reminded him - we had both served together overseas - that after the election we will still all be Americans, just as we are now and always have been.

I must say however I found his rage and irrationality disconcerting.

Posted by: toritto | October 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse


We ARE awake. All this conspiracy stuff looks to me like a distraction from the real, terrible issues in front of us. The birth certificate was carefully investigated. There's lots else to worry about (fiscal collapse, for example).

Posted by: NoraS | October 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse


So that make him The One, how about McCain sucking up to the same Agents of intolerance he railed against in 2000? And he didnt attend their church. I guess you forgot how it was to grow up black in the country in the 60's. And i was a staunch McCain supporter till this year. I vote for who is better for the country and McCain through his actions has excluded himself from that category...

Posted by: rharring | October 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama's grandmother is gravely ill and Michelle Obama is giving political speeches. Something is wrong with this picture. Why isn't she and her children with Barack in Hawaii if grandma is so gravely ill?

Obama's grandmother is not even in the hospital! She is at home. Obama visited her in her apartment where she has lived the past 40 years. Why didn't he visit her in the hospital when she first broke her hip?

By the way, why is his grandmother still living in the same small apartment? Obama reportedly made $ 7 million in book sales. If that were me, my grandma would be living in a better place. Are they really close?

Hawaii is the key to unlocking the closet of Obama.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Wake up people!! Why is Obama REALLY in Hawaii? Taking care of court orders regarding his birth certificate!!

Did you know Obama is noo longer a licensed attorney? Why? Birth cert issues!!

IARDC ®:online access to registration and discipline information regarding Illinois lawyers presented by the
Illinois Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois

Posted by: Parispugs1 | October 24, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The one good thing about these open comments sections is that people get to really see the Republican Party for what it has become.

Posted by: nodebris | October 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Dear Limey,
Do you think every Republican supported Bush in the voting? How large was that majority? Do you have their voting records and the breakdown of Demos and GOP?
One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules. The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.

Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. Obama reaped contributions from Fannie Mae! The second largest in fact.

After Fred Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing. This was Obama.

If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, people would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in the papers and online every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.

There you have it. Truth that can be verified online on google. Check it out for yourself.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Nice try bot- anytime anyone says anything against "THE ONE" they're the racists.

Since when is expressing disbelieve in the level of ignorance of a party "racists".

If you're looking for a true racist - you might want to ask "THE ONE" how he could drag his kids to a church throughout their formative years that was filled with vitriol from the likes of Wright.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 24, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse


My racial hatred dies hard doesnt it? Well take my advice on Nov 5 move to some other country that shares your racist views.. And yes he is going to win get used to it....

Posted by: rharring | October 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

So,if you people would remember how once
before when the Heat got too Hot for his
arrogance the fake Messiah empty suit liberal loser Barack Hussein Obama ran off
to see his grandmother in Hawaii after Obama had already thrown her under the bus
and clearly hadn't even bothered to see
her in years prior to Obama running for
President,so excuse my distrust of your
phony lying Messiah Barack Hussein Obama
and his Spinmeister sleazy David Axelrod
since I am already firmly convinced this
running off to Hawaii to see his gravely
ill grandmother is another OBAMA Lie and
More Cheap Political Gimmickery Just To
Get Obama the Sympathy Vote as if that liar
Barack Hussein Obama was honestly concerned
his grandmother being so ill then why the
Hell did Barack Hussein Obama wait all
week to go see her for Godsake? This is
Just One More Damn Good Reason To Not Trust
and Not Vote for lying Socialist Crooked
Barack Hussein Obama! Face Reality!

Posted by: sandylong5274 | October 24, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

sonnychiba72 didn't source his information, so I'll help him.

It's all over on the Michael Savage website.

The story is this: several people have filed suit saying that Obama should be forced to prove that his birth certificate is authentic. They're not actually saying that it isn't. Got it?

I think I'll file a suit requiring Michael Savage to prove he isn't insane.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | October 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Taking money from from one set of people, such as hard working people, and giving it to another set of people for any reason is socialism and that is what Obama says he will do."

No, I'm afraid that's not Socialism. That's government. Perhaps you can describe for me a government that doesn't take money from one set of people and give it to another? If you find one, it surely doesn't have Republicans in charge of it.

Now there's another sort of taking that truly is criminal: Taking money from future generations, as the Republicans have been doing with their deficit spending these last seven years. That's a sort of redistribution of wealth that no moral person can countenance. Do you?

Posted by: nodebris | October 24, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Poor Republicans! Getting more and more hysterical! Shall we have therapists waiting to meet with you after you lose in 11 days? Will you be suffering from PTSD?

Poor babies.

Get used to it.

That black liberal socialist commie pinko anarchist leninist maoist trotskyite share the wealth muslim islamo fascist terrorist friend of terrorists reader of Malcolm X celebrity harvard grad chicago pol elitist drug dealing disciple of Rev Wright hater of America born in kenya is gonna be President of the United States of Ameerica!

Oh Happy Day!!

(did I leave anything out?)


Posted by: toritto | October 24, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Dear dcsportsfan1:

Once again, lets not let the FACTS get in the way of a good lie. Firstly, voter fraud only happens if an improperly registered person tries to vote. Secondly, the money Obama's campaign paid to ACORN was for equipment and setups for appearances. Finally, ACORN has been in business for about 30 years. In all that time there have been "about" 100 prosecutions for voter fraud of which only 85 led to a conviction, none of which were of ACORN personnel. Considering how many people have voted in the last 30 years, 85 is an incredibly small percentage.

Now - back at you - what about the leader of a "Voter Registration" company in California who's company worked for the GOP and who has been CHARGED with voter fraud?

Or doesn't that count?

Posted by: Limey51 | October 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I guess a bit more education about the highly ethical Democraps is in order to penetrate that thick head of yours.

When you post your banal, mind numbing tripe regarding Obamoron, the democraps, or thier constituients, you really reflect the fact that you've never studied your party enough to realize that it was the Democrats who created the Ku Klux Klan, White Primaries, Poll Taxes, voter literacy tests, Gerrymandering, Union thugs intimidating voters, the Daley machine, the Prendergast machine, and Tammany Hall in order to throw elections and suppress minority voters.


Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

This scum bag will do anything for a vote-
sympathy card or race card; it does not matter to this miscreant or his ignorant supporters.

Shall we put a pool together just to see how long the "death bed granny" lives?,

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

No, migx, I would be talking more in line about $830,000 that Obama gave to ACORN, an organization that had workers arrested and convicted years back for voter fraud. ACORN is still doing the same thing this year. When did Obama give this money? In 2008. Obama has a long history with ACORN.

sonny my man, VOTER FRAUD or registration fraud? were they actual fradulently voting or perhaps forging registrations for an extra few bucks? but hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good arguement.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I think it would help the quality of political debate if people who are continuing to assert things like "Obama doesn't have a birth certificate" would read the website and look at the certified copy of the birth certificate that is posted:

If folks have some insider information that they can actually verify, they should post evidence, not unsubstantiated claims.

Posted by: NoraS | October 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

diamondgirl, that time of the month? Or you just this mega a b**ch all the time? Can you let the man go see his grandmother without the commentary?

Posted by: LABC | October 24, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I think that it was good he went off the trail to see his sick grandmother. watch funny videos

Posted by: roverfind | October 24, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Dear sonnychiba72:

The repubs has six years of control over both house and senate, and a man they claim was president in the White House, but they did nothing - so how come it is all the democrats fault?

Waiter - another glass of KoolAid for sonnychiba72.

Posted by: Limey51 | October 24, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

No, migx, I would be talking more in line about $830,000 that Obama gave to ACORN, an organization that had workers arrested and convicted years back for voter fraud. ACORN is still doing the same thing this year. When did Obama give this money? In 2008. Obama has a long history with ACORN.

In reality, neither the $150,000 nor the $830,000 would be considered socialism. $150,000 would represent the media's attempt to bastardize Sarah Palin and the $830,000 would represent the liberal media not reporting facts and covering up things for their golden child, Obama. You just don't read about it much but we will hear about the clothes till hell freezes over!

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Sidda. I agree with you also. United we stand and divided we fall. I only wish every American would remember this. Being for or against a particular candidate in an election is why America is a Democracy. I am very concerned when I see people verbally attacked in an American newspaper about online comments when they are espressing their opinion in an appropriate manner.

The media, whether we call it liberal or otherwise is also to blame because they are not reporting the facts. This generation of Americans are the most ill-informed I have ever seen. One can google the American financial crisis and get the real truth.

Obama and Democrats are duping Americans. They say "we can tell them anything and they will believe it!" A prime example is our financial crisis. It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.
The goal of this rule change was to help the poor -- which especially would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house -- along with their credit rating.

These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.
It was Sen. Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.

I am not a loyal Republican. I am not a loyal Democrat but I am an informed loyal American. My vote goes to the preservation of America, not to a popular politician.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse


Did someone steal your candy cane when you were a child? Why else would you be so bitter, so confused, so malicious and uncaring?

Too much koolaid at the last repugnant rave?

Posted by: easysoul | October 24, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

She's old, did I mention she's white? and oh wait!, now she's sick too? Brilliant! three birds in one shot. Never an opportunity missed, Obama skillfully created a scenario in which he employed the media to advertise (for free!) another campaign message: Obama- the-vulnerable; Obama-the-man-child responding to a grandma's need. She needed him but it took a week for him to get to her side. Well, I guess it takes a week of interviews to properly set the stage and get the most press out of the situation. Obama is just countering his own damaging words (now being circulated widely) from his books "Dreams of my Father" and Audacity of Hope". Excerpts from "Dreams of my Father" such as "I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE." and "IT REMAINED NECESSARY TO PROVE WHICH SIDE YOU WERE ON, TO SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT AND NAME NAMES."
He wants old people, white people and now too, sick people, to not fear him or his policies. Just another tactic. Just aother calculation.
From "Audacity of Hope" Obama writes,"I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS SHIFT IN AN UGLY DIRECTION". What kind of stunt could he create to offset someone's concern generated from a statement like this? It gets curiouser and curioser.

Posted by: diamondgirl2 | October 24, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse


No rants about the Free Masons or the Bildeburgs?

Can't you see what's happening????


11 more days........

Posted by: toritto | October 24, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse


"Taking money from from one set of people, such as hard working people, and giving it to another set of people for any reason is socialism..."

Are you talking about $150,000?

Posted by: migx | October 24, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

The Race for President: King Obama
Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Crude oil prices rise and gasoline prices quickly follow suit. But when the price of crude drops, gas prices seldom seem to fall in any like proportion. As with gas and oil, so with liberal Big Media and the presidential polls.

Democrat Barack Obama, long measuring for White House drapes, was elevated to something exceeding messiah status among the major newspapers and TV networks when polls suggested his lead over Republican John McCain had surged into the political ionosphere.

That double-digit lead was all the confirmation required that the election essentially was over. But a funny thing happened along the route to King Obama's coronation: More recent polls have suggested the race has tightened; some even point to a statistical dead heat.

story continues below

But those numbers certainly haven't received the same coverage as ones that suggested a President Obama was a foregone conclusion. Even Sen. Obama now is worrying about the risk of a "carried away" media being the precursor to his being "spanked" on Nov. 4.

Voters supposedly elect presidents. But this election cycle, it seems Big Media and its liberal enablers are hellbent on taking over that function. Just as that passenger-side mirror cautions how objects are closer than they appear, Sen. McCain is closer to Obama than Big Media are reflecting.

And such a distortion isn't very becoming of one of the great pillars of such a grand republic.

Posted by: thecannula | October 24, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Palin Blog Sarah's Army calls for violence inn wake of McCain supporter claiming Pro-Obama assailant beat and carved a "B" in her face:

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 24, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I hope we can all do this: No matter who the new president.

I am not a supporter of McCain...but if they win I am behind my president 100%.

I teach this to students, and my children. Divided we fall, etc.

Thanks for your comments to me, sonny.
All of us are posting here because we care for the USA.

Posted by: Sidda | October 24, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

He just might come back to the mainland with a 20-point lead...

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 24, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

sonnychibba72 If you believe that "spread the wealth" line from Obama means socialism, I have a lovely bridge to sell you.

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 24, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Sidda, I respect your decision for supporting the candidate that you think is best for America. You have your own reasons, same as I have mine for supporting John McCain.

I supported Hillary Clinton in the beginning and I think she did a great job of pointing out the weaknesses of Obama and why she was best for the Presidency of America.

I support John McCain and one reason is because after a long hard campaign, Hillary asked me to vote for Obama! Like he is not still the inexperienced, unqualified person to take that 3:00 AM phone call when the country is in crisis. Sorry about that but I am a loyal American and I am not a loyal Democrat and I am not a loyal Republican. My vote goes to the one who is the strongest leader for our country.

The economy is an important issue but protecting Americans from our enemies is also important. I believe John McCain is more qualified to do that from Day One.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

migx, collecting taxes and using them for Government approved programs is not Socialism. Taking money from from one set of people, such as hard working people, and giving it to another set of people for any reason is socialism and that is what Obama says he will do.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

WAIT. That is not the only reason I went Democrat.

I admire Barack Obama a great deal. And his wife. I believe in him. I do not see anything evil or odd. I see a hard working man and a lovely hard working wife with the same ideas I have about raising children and raising the country up higher than it is.


Posted by: Sidda | October 24, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse



Posted by: LOONYBIN2000 | October 24, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Ok I will concede that people who support McCain are not all racists. That is simply not true. Some republicans support McCain because they believe in the principles of their party.
I simply dont get why, however, Obama is considered to be such a bad seed. I was once a Republican...and because of his judgment, or lack thereof in choosing Palin AND his ties with Bill Kristol, who believes in the Bush Doctrine..........I have gone Democrat.

I believe he only chose Palin because he wanted to shake things up...and to offer women who supported Hillary a vote. NOT good reasons to choose a veep.

Posted by: Sidda | October 24, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

To sonnychiba72:

Whenever you pay taxes you are "spreading the wealth" (even with flat rates). I imagine you do not think that each person gets back benefits from the administration that exactly amount what he/she paid in taxes, do you?

Posted by: migx | October 24, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Sidda, your ideas that people who support John McCain are racist is exactly why the polls show Obama with a ten point lead. People don't want to confronted and be called a racist, so they say they will vote for Obama. The Bradley effect is stronger now than before because you and others are not helping Obama by branding non supporters of Obama as RACISTS!

Concerning Sarah Palin, if we are to believe what the left says about the Governor being "unqualified", then former Congresswoman Bella Abzug's lifelong dream has been fulfilled and that is to say that a mediocre woman has risen as high as a mediocre man! I think Obama would agree with this statement.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

You know, just for once, I wish all these McCain freaks would post verifiable FACTS to support their stupid claims instead of just parroting something Limbaugh said. Even McCain can't drop the Ayers thing - if he has some evidence that the relationship is deeper than Obama says, then produce the evidence, or shut up.

Trying to bad-mouth a man for going to see his grandmother is pretty low to start with - and the insinuation by omgiamgoingnuts proves that he/she is (going nuts, that is). Obama clearly stated that the ONLY reason he is going now is because his sister called to tell him that Toot was getting worse. He said he wants to see her before she dies, but the McLame's of this world would much rather spin it to something negative. I thought the repukes were the "christian" party - bad mouthing a man for wanting to visit a dying relative doesn't sound very Christian to me!

Shame on you!

Posted by: Limey51 | October 24, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Socialism is government control in the means of production. Because of the greed of incredibly wealthy people, We have been socialists since September 15th. That's when US had to take over AIG and it's stupid bets to save the insurance industry. We added on the financial system a few days later and nationalized the banks (which was a necessity) a couple of weeks after that.

As for. experimenting with socialism in the US, there was always one state that ran under a completely socialist system. In this state, there is collective ownership of the state's abundant natural resources. The state then sends huge checks based on that collective ownership to its residents. The governor of that socialist state now wants to assume leadership of the US government.

Her name is Sarah Palin. The only socialist with a proven track record in the USA!

Posted by: LeRiverend | October 24, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

In the name of all that is holy, where in the WORLD do these people get these ideas about Obama? He wants to spread the wealth to...oh never mind. Commenting on THAT aspect of the campaign is not even worthwhile.

I agree that the only people left that are supporting McCain are reallllly racist or are people like my friend, Barbara, who will only vote for McCain because he is a Republican. She says things like...Wont Cindy make a just precious first lady? Isnt she the most precious thing you have ever seen? When I bring up Michelle Obama's accomplishments and grace, she politely becomes silent. She says, That Sarah Palin! She is so outspoken! Don't you just love that about her? I would think you would as you are outspoken, too! Um, Barbara...

Yeah. McCain is still going to get some votes. And a LOT of them. These are the people that elected Bush.

I am not prepared to say Obama will win...but things are looking pretty nice. I am so so VERY happy, too. My European friends have been giving me a really rough time the last 8 years! (good-natured teasing) but seriously I am happy to see what I believe to be a chance to get back on track with Barack Obama. When I look at him, I see America at its best.

Posted by: Sidda | October 24, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

This does make me wonder WHY he didn't actually go to her WHEN she was in the hospital. Kinda strange if you ask me.

Posted by: omgiamgoingnuts | October 24, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

flavio, a socialist is a person who believes in a broad set of economic theories involving state or collective ownership and administration. Only one of your examples has anything to do with the economy.

Obama is the only socialist I know of in the Presidential race and it is because of his economic theories, including sending billions of dollars abroad to fight world hunger if he is elected President. He wants to spread the wealth around and that is soclialism.

I am sure glad this is only an internet post or I may be attacked and have a "B" carved on my face like the Obama supporter did to a McCain supporter yesterday.

The vicious way that Obama supporters attack others when they post comments is another red flag about Obama. I have the right to disagree with Obama and his supporters.

Our citizens will lose the right to speak out because if Obama were to be elected, he also plans to organize citizenry groups in EVERY community in America. Sounds scary, doesn't it? Even with this, this is not an example of Obama being a Socialist. It is about ECONOMICS.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Sen. Barack Obama is doing right by standing by his grandmother Toot in Hawaii, as someone who was also raised and later adopted by by own grandmother I can identify with what Barack is going through right now. As someone who at 19 who felt the loss of the most influential person in my own life life somewhere on Indian Street in Alaska, I can look back now and remember her last words "Everything going to be all right". My grandmother believed in guardian angels and I sure that Barack's mom is out there somewhere watching over Barack and Toot right now, just as my own grandmother is our own families guardian angel right now. Ever notice in Native American language there is no word for good bye. This is for Toot, Barack and his family -Isaiah 40:31. No matter what happens Toot will be with Barack and his family for the rest of his life. God or the Great Spirit (they are the same) is generous to us all.

Posted by: cooday | October 24, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse


We've barely survived eight years of the most secretive US Government in history...SOCIALIST!

At every turn, BUSH's administration has tried to usurp as much power for the exectuve branch they could...SOCIALIST!

The illegally loaded the Justice Department with unqualified, religious extremists.......SOCIALIST!

The spied on US citizens, engaged in torture of prisoners, and sold our beloved Consititution down the river with the "Patriot Act"...SOCIALIST!

BUSH proposes and MCCAIN signs the biggest corporate welfare bailout in history!...PURE SOCIALIST!

MCCAIN was just another BUSH puppet.

He aint' perfect
But he ain't a socicalist Repubican
And that's all that counts!

Posted by: thenotoriousflavio | October 24, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse


I agree with you Sonnychiba72 has been watching too many X files series or he has been scanning the sky for UFOs, he cannot differentiate between reality & make believe.

Posted by: yog2541 | October 24, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again with these right wing pundits spreading half baked conspiracy against Senator & soon to be President Obama.

Posted by: yog2541 | October 24, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

With sonnychiba72 as our example.

Any one else notice how the only people left supporting the GOP all sound like crazy McCain lady?

Heck with his Obama is not an American he is a socialist/terrorist/arab/muslim Robo Calls even McCain sounds like crazy McCain lady!

Things are getting too depressed. :-(

We need a laugh! :-D

When it comes down to it, you vote in elections for your vision of America's future.

And the candidates vie for that vision in the message they present to bring about that vision.

There are two messages to choose from here in this election.

The McCain Message of FEAR, HATRED and DIVISION.
Exampled in what sonnychiba72 just wrote.


The Obama message of change unity and hope.

One is an American vision.

When you vote on November 4th you have to ask yourself:

Which message is your vision for the future of America?

Posted by: walker1 | October 24, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Sonnychiba72, you are a sick person and you should search your sick little heart in order to find some compassion and respect for your fellow American and soon to be President Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: joceeco | October 24, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Was visiting his ailing grandmother the real reason for Obama's trip to Hawaii? Strangely, he made the trip alone. That is too bad because I am sure his grandmother would have been greatly cheered up by seeing her great-grandchildren and her grandson's wife with him.

Earlier in the day, before Obama's arrival, a press conference was held in Honolulu by a Chicago investigative team. Going by the name "Hawaii Five- O," the leader of the team stated that the reason Obama has refused to release the "vault" copy of his birth certificate.

Obama is the son of Frank Marshall Davis according to the investigators. Whether this is true or not, I think EVERY concerned American would like to know once and for all, who is Barack Obama?

Obama has a lot of explaining to do to the American people and if he has nothing to hide, he must release his original birth certificate. I firmly believe that one can take on any name they wish, I believe they don't have to disclose their personal lives but when a person is running for the highest office in the land, there can not be any doubts.

Posted by: sonnychiba72 | October 24, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

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