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Obama Thanks McCain for Call to Tone Down Rhetoric

By Robert Barnes
PHILADELPHIA -- Democrat Barack Obama said today that he appreciated John McCain's attempts yesterday to soften the harsh and negative tone that has marked the past week of the presidential campaign, but said recent remarks by McCain's campaign manager showed that the Arizona senator "doesn't get it'' when it comes to the economic crisis.

Obama conducted an early morning blitz of this heavily Democratic city, where Obama and the state's top elected Democrats held four "mini-rallies" to energize supporters for Nov. 4.

"I want to acknowledge that Senator McCain tried to tone down the rhetoric in his town hall meeting yesterday, and I appreciated his reminder that we can disagree while still being respectful of each other,'' Obama said during a rally in the parking lot of Progress Plaza, an inner-city shopping center. "I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- Senator McCain has served this country with honor. He deserves our thanks for that."

The Republican nominee drew a cascade of boos Friday during a town hall meeting in Minnesota when he called Obama "a decent person" and told an expectant father that he does not have to be scared if Obama is president of the United States.

"We want to fight and I want to fight, but we will be respectful," McCain said, again prompting loud boos when he declared that he admires Obama's accomplishments. "I want everyone to be respectful, and let's be sure we are... That doesn't mean you have to reduce your ferocity. It's just got to be respectful."

The mention of McCain's name at Obama rallies also draws boos, but Obama today said McCain deserves Americans' thanks, especially for his years in the military. "Those guys laid down their lives to protect us," Obama said during a later stop outside the Mayfair Diner.

But Obama said McCain's views on the economy are fair game.

"When it comes to the economy, and what families here in Pennsylvania are going through, Senator McCain still doesn't get it," Obama said.

Obama mocked McCain campaign manager Rick Davis's assertion that McCain felt no need to comment on the daily decline in the stock markets.

"It doesn't mean we don't care and aren't trying to do something about it -- it's just, I'm not exactly sure what you'd say everyday," Davis said yesterday.

"There's very little a candidate for president and, after watching today, very little a president can say, about what's happening in the stock market," he added.

Obama said the McCain campaign would rather attack him than discuss the most important issue of the campaign.

"So the last few days, we've seen a barrage of nasty insinuations and attacks, and I'm sure we'll see many more over the next 24 days," Obama said. "But here's the thing, Philadelphia. They can run misleading ads, they can pursue the politics of anything goes, they can try to change the subject. But they can't do what they want to do because the American people know what's going on. It's not going to work. Not this time."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds responded: "The tone of this election is not fueling voter outrage, it's that Americans are frustrated knowing that Barack Obama's plans to raise taxes during a down economy and his proposal for a trillion dollars in new government spending are the absolute wrong answers to our economic crisis."

The Obama campaign is touting the end of voter registrations in this battleground state, which showed Democrats with a 1.2 million-voter edge over Republicans.

Today's events are intended to mobilize those voters, especially here.

Obama campaigned with Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.) and Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, who told the crowd only 53 percent of voters turned out during the primary, which Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won. Such a turnout "won't cut it" on Nov. 4, Rendell said, setting a goal of 75 percent.

"I don't care how long the lines are," Rendell said. "Nobody leaves."

By Web Politics Editor  |  October 11, 2008; 11:18 AM ET
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me think macaine be best pres cause only him smart enough to pick hottie to replace him if he croak. obama picked a guy must be homo. macaine is macho man he pick babe a lishus hottie who even kill mooses and said no bridge to nobody. she also drink six pack which make her one of us. that is how to run a country. vote macain and hottie pallen 09!!!!

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 14, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Until this month, the man who is widely credited with starting the cyberwhisper campaign that still dogs Mr. Obama was a secondary character in news reports, with deep explorations of his background largely confined to liberal blogs.

But an appearance in a documentary-style program on the Fox News Channel watched by three million people last week thrust the man, Andy Martin, and his past into the foreground. The program allowed Mr. Martin to assert falsely and without challenge that Mr. Obama had once trained to overthrow the government.

An examination of legal documents and election filings, along with interviews with his acquaintances, revealed Mr. Martin, 62, to be a man with a history of scintillating if not always factual claims. He has left a trail of animosity — some of it provoked by anti-Jewish comments — among political leaders, lawyers and judges in three states over more than 30 years.

THIS IS WHAT REPUBLICAN NATINESS AND LIES LOOK LIKE

Posted by: amitchell13 | October 13, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Bigger Than Ayers [Mark Hemingway]


I've stayed largely silent on the William Ayers controversy because, while associating with someone of that nature is completely reprehensible, I'm not altogether convinced it's a poltically effective attack. (I also wish McCain was putting a better economic message on the table right now as well.) Further, if associating with criminals is a problem — there are more relevant associations with ties to his campaign that everybody ought to be concerned with.

I've been screaming into the abyss for some time about Alexi Giannoulias, the Illinois state treasurer that Obama endorsed when he ran for office despite no previous political experience, who has been personally mixed up with organized crime via business dealings with his family's bank. Well, guess what — this little nugget turned up in a column in the Chicago Sun-Times:

Sneed hears rumbles political fund-raiser/fixer Tony Rezko, who is now singing sweetly to the feds from his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, has been talking about his "dealings" with a Chicago bank, which has political connections.

Now that's throw away item in a political gossip column, so I would suggest taking it with a grain of salt. But if there's any truth to it the odds that Rezko is singing about Giannoulias' Broadway Bank are exceedingly high. If Giannoulias turns out to be in legal trouble again, there's no way Obama can disatance himself like he has with Ayers. Giannoulias has been out raising lots of money for his campaign, and was even given a speaking slot at the Democratic convention in August.

So Obama chose to have him associated with his campaign. This was well after it became public that Giannoulias had loaned $11.8 million to Michael Giorango, a convicted bookmaker and prostitution promoter. Giannoulias first denied he personally approved the loan, then Chicago Tribune reported that Giannoulias personally oversaw $11.8 million in mortgage loans to Giorango in 2005. Then Giannoulias said the money had not gone to finance Casinos for organized crime. He appears to have lied again: “But newly obtained records show that $3.6 million of the recent loans were used by Giorango and another convicted felon to acquire a casino boat marina in Myrtle Beach, S.C.,” reported the Tribune.

It's not like the Obama campaign can credibly say they didn't know about this before he was out raising money for the campaign. But I'd like to believe major news agencies might want to pull a few reporters out of dumpsters in Wasilla (probably starting to get really cold up there anyway) and get them to Chicago to look into a potential Rezko-Giannoulias connection toot sweet. Maybe there's nothing there, but it's worth looking into right?

I can dream, can't I?

Posted by: schneemans | October 12, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that the Republicans don't get the fact that George Bush's low approval ratings have as much to do with his arrogant and negative tone as they do with his policies. By adopting the politics of destruction once again McCain puts the country in a partisan holding pattern that looks like a carbon copy of the last 8 years. The Obama campaign started the "more of the same" slogan as a political tactic, McCain has played right into it by proceeding to campaign directly from the Bush/Cheney playbook.

Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"My fellow prisoners".... (McCain's bizarre words to the debate audience, during debate #2!!)

That's a clue, the end is near. Alzheimers.

watch the video if you missed McCain addressing the debate audience as MY FELLOW PRISONERS

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYFm5kK4f1k

Posted by: ottothewise | October 12, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Cant wait till the final debate tuesday. Vote On What Your Dream Ticket Is, Obama Clinton? Obama Biden? Clinton Obama? WatchDebate.com
Here is a Video of what everyone did not see during the second debate. Its a debate out take. Watch the video at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mng0njC1D6c

Posted by: pastor123 | October 12, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Socialists for Obama: (And thank you, m'dear, for that giggle provided by your nom de plume) I'm an Independent, too, voting for McCain. What are your thoughts on ACORN and Obama? His camp has already conceded that they provided funding for ACORN.

Posted by: KittenKlawz | October 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

jamesmallov: Oh, I know, I know. *sighs* I appreciate your calm discussion tone, believe me. There's nothing worse than bloggers on either side who are ranting into the ether without thought or consideration. I often have to keep Visine beside me... just because I roll my eyes quite a bit when reading commentary from the frothing irrationals.

Have you been keeping up with the whole ACORN voter story? I just discovered this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU

I know you are probably already decided, and more power to you, but please take three minutes and look at it, if only out of curiousity. Thank you.

Posted by: KittenKlawz | October 12, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain succumbed to the forces of fear - Obama remained faithful to the forces of hope, truth, and optimism. ................
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/12/obamas-journey-dont-stop-believing/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 12, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Watch McCAin Drop the F word while talking to reporters. http://www.mccanes.com

Huckabee Claims that their is Economic Terrorism Happening in the Stock Market.
http://www.HuckabeeShow.com

Watch This Debate Outtake. What you didnt see during the debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mng0njC1D6c

Posted by: pastor123 | October 12, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Its no big suprise that many "social conservatives" are actually ignorant, uneducated, narrow-minded, bigoted racists who are highly suggestable and can easily be whiped into a frenzy. John McCain selected Governor Palin as his runningmate solely to pander to those religious conservatives, and she has performed that function well. Its silly for McCain to now feign suprise that these people would be shouting hateful things about Obama. This is exactly what his campaign wants. Their intention is to whip their moron army into a frenzy, make them believe that Obama is to be feared and they will go out and vote against him in large numbers. It worked in 2004 and thats what the Republicans are trying to do now.

Posted by: rbuyan | October 12, 2008 3:35 AM | Report abuse

> You do know we've had a Republican president for the last 8 years, right?

Now that they've stolen the silverware and paid themselves a cash bonus from the treasury on the way out the door, how long do you think it will take for all that money to disappear offshore into secret bank accounts?

This sounds racist because you've precluded, based on your own conjecture, that a group of people are flawed.

BTW, I'm NOT a republican.

Democrats want to destroy their own country and Republicans want to destroy other countries.

I'm no economist, but can you show me any country that can point to a long term, stable, free market success? Why would I vote to go back to the boom and bust cycles of 1860 - 1930?

Free market success is often bastardized and thrawrted by the interferrence of government. Yes, I want an economic system that exists without the Federal Reserve. Can you name the branch of government the Federal Reserve is under?

>

ABSOLUTELY!!! Like I said, by the time Obama takes office, his socialist dream will have been 75% complete.

>

Do you really mean to say that if he slashes spending he has to increase spending?
No. If you cut taxes, you must increase revenues or decrease spending.


As far as "everything has a price", apparently it's the price of the paper it takes to print more dollars to fund the banks

BINGO!!

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 12, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

"Once again, I agree. This is why John McCain's plans are EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE than OBAMA's. Obama plans to increase taxes to the wealthy and close some major tax loopholes for corporations. Everything considered, their taxes still will only be at Reagan era levels."

McCain said he would not raise taxes on anybody, especially now.

Given my income, I fall WAY under the Obama $250K line and would theoretically see a tax cut. But that;s Robin Hood economics and I think that's wrong. Again, headed toward a classless society. I don't wnat a millionaire's money. I'll take care of myself, thanks. the sad fact is that th wealth already pay the lion's share of the country's taxes anyway.

I'll gladly pay flat tax of 18% as long as everybody else, regardless of income, pays the same rate.

I think businesses should get tax breaks because they fuel a large part of economic growth. Now the Oil Cos., the pharmacuetical cos. and the insurance companies are excluded from those tax cuts because they they fall under what I call providers of vital national resources. I think they should have to pay a wind-fall tax and reinvest in the lives of the people they say they care so much for.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 12, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Socialists 4 Obama -

You do know we've had a Republican president for the last 8 years, right?

Now that they've stolen the silverware and paid themselves a cash bonus from the treasury on the way out the door, how long do you think it will take for all that money to disappear offshore into secret bank accounts?

I'm no economist, but can you show me any country that can point to a long term, stable, free market success? Why would I vote to go back to the boom and bust cycles of 1860 - 1930?

Isn't this administration cooking up the largest socialist bailout program in the history of money?

You said, "If one candidate says he will slash spending, then he has to increase it somewhere else. Everything has a price."

Do you really mean to say that if he slashes spending he has to increase spending?

I don't get it.

As far as "everything has a price", apparently it's the price of the paper it takes to print more dollars to fund the banks.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | October 12, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Why was Rep. John Lewis upset about McCain's supporters questioning Obama's association with Ayers and Wright. He used strong words against the McCain campaign. We understand the pain!

Posted by: nononsense3 | October 12, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

"AgnosticEngineer:

Right...That's what everbody says when you give a reasonable, sound argument against Hussein's policies. It's the same thing my 8 year old does when he's caught red-handed. "Well, if by brother hadn't made me made, I wouldn't have broken the window"."


You haven't given any sound arguments. You have merely regurgitated tired disproved accusations.


"It's deflection and shows a complete ignorance of the subject discussed."


I agree. You have yet to do anything but make false claims with no supporting evidence.


"As for you wonderful understanding of economics, you fail to understand that in order to give, you have to take away. If one candidate syas he will slash spending, then he has to increase it somewhere else. Everything has a price.

If you cut taxes, you must increase revenue. If you decrease revenue, you must increase taxes. No way around it. It's a shell game that politicians have been playing for centuries and Osama's just playing your for the next fool."


Once again, I agree. This is why John McCain's plans are EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE than OBAMA's. Obama plans to increase taxes to the wealthy and close some major tax loopholes for corporations. Everything considered, their taxes still will only be at Reagan era levels.


"Government must divorce itself from the free markets and pocket books of Americans and let the markets govern themselves. If that principle had been followed long ago, we wouldn't be in this mess."


Actually, that's the primary reason that we are IN this mess. Without any oversight, markets are wild and dangerous.
"Dog eat dog" means everyone gets hurt. The winner is the one that lives to fight another day...

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 12, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

***
I wish she would go back home. She isn't the future. She just brings back bad memories.
***
Disagree, I think Mrs. Palin is fine person, a very good governor of state of Alaska, who deserves every chance at winning the contest for the position of Vice President. The fact that she responded to the call to take part in campaign the way she did speaks a lot about her character and her readiness to shoulder hardship to make our country better. Now, I may have spoken things I should not have. My only worry to make the right choice.

Posted by: Miron1 | October 12, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama did not lie about his association with Ayers and Wright, he just does not want to talk about it. Rep. John Lewis was very upset today because he has a dream. it is too late for him to be on the Obama ticket. 4 more years, Mr. Lewis!

Posted by: nononsense3 | October 12, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

AgnosticEngineer:

Right...That's what everbody says when you give a reasonable, sound argument against Hussein's policies. It's the same thing my 8 year old does when he's caught red-handed. "Well, if by brother hadn't made me made, I wouldn't have broken the window".

It's deflection and shows a complete ignorance of the subject discussed.

As for you wonderful understanding of economics, you fail to understand that in order to give, you have to take away. If one candidate syas he will slash spending, then he has to increase it somewhere else. Everything has a price.

If you cut taxes, you must increase revenue. If you decrease revenue, you must increase taxes. No way around it. It's a shell game that politicians have been playing for centuries and Osama's just playing your for the next fool.

Government must divorce itself from the free markets and pocket books of Americans and let the markets govern themselves. If that principle had been followed long ago, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 12, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a complicated man who is black, has connections with muslims and was associated with radicals. It is not that he is a bad person or any thing but we just don't know much about him. His name Barack Hussein Obama makes him look like an Arab, but he lives in U.S, so he is an American.

Posted by: nononsense3 | October 12, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

"Osama wants to create a classless society by using his tax programs to eliminate the need for small businesses. He also wants to heavily tax the wealthy. When this happens, people find no more incentive for taking risks and putting their capital on the line to better themselves and their business. This of course, leads to a classless society."


Once again, nice cheap racist shot.

As my mother would say, "You are so full of it, your eyes are brown."

This is so far from the truth. Obama's plans call for more tax breaks and incentives for small businesses. Incentives that would make employer based insurance MORE likely and simultaneously CHEAPER. He won't tax health benefits, he'll make them TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Any small business owner NETTING (after all deductible expenses) less than $250k/year also won't see one penny more in taxes, contrary to Republican claims...

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 12, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

"Wow....Such strong moral convictions in your argument!! That's precious coming from an agnostic.

Carry on Garth...."


Morals were not invented by, are not owned by, and frequently aren't practiced by Christians.

I have a strong sense of morals. I don't need some fairy tale to encourage me to follow them...

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 12, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

"See how far these brain-washed people have to go to make thier arguments even sound laughable??

A true reverend would never say, let alone use, the pulpit to condemn his God, country and parish. I don't care if it was 3 times or 3,000 times. THe dead has been carried out and he has revealed himself for hwat he is. A racist, hate-monger with a political agenda, of which Obama is a big part.

Oh, and drop the excuse because "his people" were enslaved then he has a right or excuse to be the way he is and use God as a rifle. Good news here is that God will deal with him."


Have you heard some of the hate filled sermons that come out of evangelical preachers. Hell, many are televised across this country...


"This is just false. There is plenty to show the two had at least a casual relationship."


In the same way McCain has a "casual" relationship with John Hagee...


"Once again, whether it was 1 house or 1,000 houses, it doesn't matter. Your excuses and excuse making for your Messiah is now sounding like a defense that is well warranted."


Blaspheme much???


Here are the facts:


"Obama is tightly woven and interconnected with some of the most dirty and shady characters from the most notoriously corrupt and fouled city in America."


Please give ANY examples besides the weak preceding ones...


"Hussein says all this nonsense talk about "character" is detracting from the real issue of the moment...the economy. Character will determine how this crisis and the next will be handled, so it's at the heart of the election.

The mere fact that we are even talking about the character of a candidate for the White House that has there relationships and qualities is astounding. It shows how low the fabric of the country has been torn."


Once again, nice cheap racist shot. There is no question of Obama's CHARACTER.

A person is not merely a composite of everyone he has met in his entire life. Otherwise, all cops would be part criminals, soldiers would be part terrorists, and McCain would be part Vietnamese prison guard.

Furthermore, McCain is surrounding himself with the Bush administration's star players. They are much more than "casual" friends. Whose connections are REALLY more questionable???

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 12, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...

Unite under the the man that ditched his first wife because she was handicapped and he was sleeping with a young, hot heiress...

Unite under a woman that thinks that women should have less rights over their own bodies and should quit whining about sexism that doesn't exist (unless it is being claimed BY her to distract from other issues)...


Wow....Such strong moral convictions in your argument!! That's precious coming from an agnostic.

Carry on Garth....

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 12, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

He may not be a true blooded Muslim, but he was raised and educated as a Muslim. I may not be Jewish, but if I lived with, learned from and lived as a Jew, I'm a Jew.

Obama is not a socialist because he does not advocate socialism. Socialism is an economic system where large parts of the economy are run not-for-profit either by cooperatives or central government branches. Obama only advocates using subsidies to help people afford health insurance and using public programs to compete with private ones. This only forces MORE capitalistic-style competition and leaves it chiefly in the hands of companies. Therefore, it's not socialism
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Socialism is an economic outcome of removing classes of people thats facilitated by the state taking over production and distribution of mony, land and community.

Osama wants to create a classless society by using his tax programs to eliminate the need for small businesses. He also wants to heavily tax the wealthy. When this happens, people find no more incentive for taking risks and putting their capital on the line to better themselves and their business. This of course, leads to a classless society.

Socialism is the step after capitalism and just before communism. It's the next logical stop.

The events of the last month have created the perfect sotrm for a socialist country. And that's on the heads of the Republicans and Democrats. if Obama get to the White House, 75% of his work will have already been done for him.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 12, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

"Women of America Unite!
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!"


Yeah...

Unite under the the man that ditched his first wife because she was handicapped and he was sleeping with a young, hot heiress...

Unite under a woman that thinks that women should have less rights over their own bodies and should quit whining about sexism that doesn't exist (unless it is being claimed BY her to distract from other issues)...

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 12, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

jamesmallow wrote:

>How could anyone stay in a church for 20 years, stand and clap, sit in the pews and still not understand the hatred and racism of Rev. Wright, his minister and spiritual mentor?

Actually, only 3 out of more than 600 sermons had anything controversial in them, and even then it wasn't the main subject material. And gee, who'd have thought that a black man old enough to remember when blacks were murdered with impunity would have some bitterness? Gee, it's hard to understand, ain't it?
>

See how far these brain-washed people have to go to make thier arguments even sound laughable??

A true reverend would never say, let alone use, the pulpit to condemn his God, country and parish. I don't care if it was 3 times or 3,000 times. THe dead has been carried out and he has revealed himself for hwat he is. A racist, hate-monger with a political agenda, of which Obama is a big part.

Oh, and drop the excuse because "his people" were enslaved then he has a right or excuse to be the way he is and use God as a rifle. Good news here is that God will deal with him.

>Pastor Michael Pfleger - whose radical ideas and preaching are well known in Chicago went under the bus. Not the Pfleger I knew.

Obama wasn't even associated with Pfleger, who did some controversial things (encouraging buying time with prostitutes as an outreach to get them to reform), but also campaigned against rappers' drug lyrics and against Jerry Springer's obscenities. Of course, revealing Pfleger's conservative tendencies, or discussing his sheer lack of Obama connections would puncture the argument.
>

This is just false. There is plenty to show the two had at least a casual relationship.

>And Tony Rezko. He raised money for Senator Obama's political career, gave him a sweetheart land deal and most likely taught Sen. Obama a lot about corrupt politics in Chicago.

Right, because his assistance in buying one house must mean they were practically partners, in spite of no evidence whatsoever
>

Once again, whether it was 1 house or 1,000 houses, it doesn't matter. Your excuses and excuse making for your Messiah is now sounding like a defense that is well warranted.

Here are the facts:

Obama is tightly woven and interconnected with some of the most dirty and shady characters from the most notoriously corrupt and fouled city in America.

Hussein says all this nonsense talk about "character" is detracting from the real issue of the moment...the economy. Character will determine how this crisis and the next will be handled, so it's at the heart of the election.

The mere fact that we are even talking about the character of a candidate for the White House that has there relationships and qualities is astounding. It shows how low the fabric of the country has been torn.

McCain's not the answer either, but if I have to cut my wrists, I'll choose someone who's at least loyal to my country. It's been a long time since we had a president with a pair of balls.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 12, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

KittenKlawz, I was not talking about you, but rather about the many rude and disgusting smears on this page. If you read down the list, you'll see many, many of them.

I appreciate your rationalism; I too, am somewhat left out by the current spectrum but I think Obama can solve the health care crisis and fight poverty, so he has my vote.

Posted by: jamesmallov | October 12, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Some basic facts:

John McCain is not associated with any nazis. However, most Democrats and Obama supporters have not used racism as a charge against most opponents of Obama, although some of them who call him 'Arab' have been attacked as such.

George Bush is not the chief cause of the crunch; the reckless banks and investment banks are. The deregulation that prompted it was promoted chiefly by Republican Phil Gramm but also by Bill Clinton. Yes Democrats, that much is true.

Obama is not related to Raila Odinga, the Kenyan politician (this is important in light of the violent actions of some Odinga followers). Obama is half-Luo,an African people, and Odinga is also Luo. Hence, they have the same relationship that Dianne Feinstein and Wolfowitz have which is, some shared ethnic blood.

Related: Obama is not an Arab. He's part black African, and has no Middle Eastern ethnicity. Some Arabic names have spread beyond the Arab world and are used in East Africa thus the middle name Hussein. This name is immensely common in northern and eastern Africa and the surrounding part of Asia. It's like the name 'Jones' here. Obama (the last name) however, is simply an African name, in spite of the apparent similarity to Osama so often noted by internet attacks.

Obama's relationship with Ayers is as stated: He and Ayers and a number of others were all people who served on a charitable board to support education. Ayers also held one event to help one of Obama's early campaigns. Since then, the two have collaborated on nothing. That, no more, no less, is what happened.

Obama has not had anyone intimidate anyone. His "Action Wire" does promote protests and calls into talk shows where partisan anti-Obama books were discussed. The books in question frequently had rumors and exaggerations as major components. Obama certainly used this to put arguments out there against these books.

Obama is not a Muslim - this can be verified on FactCheck.org

Obama is not a socialist because he does not advocate socialism. Socialism is an economic system where large parts of the economy are run not-for-profit either by cooperatives or central government branches. Obama only advocates using subsidies to help people afford health insurance and using public programs to compete with private ones. This only forces MORE capitalistic-style competition and leaves it chiefly in the hands of companies. Therefore, it's not socialism.

Posted by: jamesmallov | October 12, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

as lifelong republican me plan to vote for macaine no matter how gross he is cause him pick hottie for vice pres and we never have hottie vice pres before with hottie safety glasses and hottie big hair and hottie bridge to nothing she build and hottie bathing suit contest and hottie everthing so vote macaine and hottie ticket ok cause me hate democracy party them no like attack iraq and them like french people and them say no weapons mass deduction. macaine pallen yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 11, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

This election was a chance to show that we have finally outgrown our past.
An African American running for president would have been unthinkable for my generation of the fifties and sixties.
At that time people like Lester Maddox, and George Wallace were the only political voice in the south. Segregation here in Florida was a way of life. I did not attend grade school with African Americans. I do remember the hatred and violence of the sixties. Killings, beatings, fires and rioting left scars that still exist today. So when I saw the Palin rally in Clearwater, Florida on TV and heard what happened there it made me sick and angry that we still haven't learned.
For a pretty woman, Sarah Palin sure has one ugly mouth and she uses it to bring out that same ugliness in people who listen to her.
I wish she would go back home. She isn't the future. She just brings back bad memories.

Posted by: seemstome | October 11, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I've maintained an independent purview of the campaign from the get-go. The contretemps into which it has devolved is a slap in the electorate's collective face.
The GOP has become more petulant and abusive and reactive than I can remember. Though the last presidential election cycle I would call a runner up.

The political grandstanding that is the GOP's slaying of the hydra-headed beast of Elitism has removed itself to a new and inviscerating arena, one that evinces nothing but paranoia and psychoses. Personally, I find it dispicable and wholly counter productive.

For this reason, even I were not leaning toward Obama, I would vote NO to McCain. The man is a Menace not a Maverick. As for Palin, well, let's not even go THERE!

Posted by: boredwell | October 11, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Independent, and have a tendency to lean conservative on issues like immigration and abortion. Other issues, like the war and education (as well as taking another look at substance laws), I tend towards the liberal side.

I'm not Christian or Jewish or Muslim. I'm a different faith entirely, and neither candidate will ever speak to that.

I have a degree and am a salaried professional. I work with children; I love my job. I love my family.

And I am so freaking frustrated with this election cycle that I cannot even express it clearly, no matter how many times I "preview" a post!

Is anybody else who is an Independent this frustrated? Is this like choosing between the electric chair or the lethal injection, or what?

I am almost to the point of just throwing my TV out of the window, but the computer beckons with its poison political candy...

No one can escape it! I'm voting McCain, simply because I really used to like him back in the day, and his willingness to vote even against his party, and maybe...maybe...he'll go back to the man he used to be.

I'm not voting Obama, simply because of his spending proposals, his complete lack of executive experience, and the newest proposal by Pelosi (150 billion) in Congress. Blood from a turnip, and all of that.

So, jamesmallov, I hope this post is "civil" enough for you; I do not recall tensions and frustrations ever being this high before an election. I am so tired of the bickering and the partisan stone-throwing. To be perfectly honest, I've thrown some stones, too, in other posts, but right now I'm just sick of it. Everyone is a politician, on both tickets, and politicians are all the same at heart.

I'm already planning on taking a sick day on Nov. 5th...just in case riots break out after the announcement of who won the election.

I wish I were kidding.

Posted by: KittenKlawz | October 11, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

It is right that we should regard our political candidates-as well as political superstructure-with caution. Suspicion is healthy, too.

So some sour pusses and die-hards boo and hiss down the opponent. That's being candid. Though "off with head" and "kill him" is hot air blowing caution to the extreme.

Effigies and the burning of them are often tactics used by government plants, ie, the last pro Tibet rallies to garner outrage and media attention. We should look at these as well as the "report just discovered" with a jaundiced eyes.

The people running for president should not be coddled. Only real fighters get into The Rough and Tumble Game. They should know or learn very quickly the meaning of defense and offense. So I don't pity them.

What I do not approve us is distortion of the truth. Palin is the most egregious practitioner in perverting it. And I do not appreciate her for her efforts. Pandering to and exploiting the baser motives is called demogoguery NOT populism. The latter is more indicative of Obama who appeals to the the common good and will to work inclusively to resolve issues.

The GOP has shown itself to be grandstanding opportunists, little more than bullies with throwing temper trantrums when they aren't not getting their way.

The Obama I see has remained a steady,resistant to the GOP brawlings, calm and, perhaps, a bit too reserved throughout the fracas. This gravitas, aside from his policies, has shown me the he is the one with the steady hand on the tiller.

Posted by: boredwell | October 11, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

It is honorable that Senator McCain has chosen to speak out and try to calm his angry crowds. We do thank him for this.
Senator Obama will be one of the greates Presidents America has ever had.

Posted by: AlaskaWoman | October 11, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

The rare, civil GOP comment.

>I am not ready to give up on the America that I love and inspired so many. Change to what? The unknown? What is Barack Obama talking about? For that matter, who is he? Does he have the character required to lead this great nation? America is not broken, it just needs a tune-up and McCain is the man with the proven character, experience and compassion to put us on the right track again. Thank you.
Posted by: voice2

This is quite exemplary.

And now, for the fact-less charlatans:

I wince at reading the remarks that McCain is 'Klan-like', that he has some connection with the American Nazi Party, etc. People, there are rightist trolls doing this stuff, but we are better than this. Let's not sink to their level.

Their level is this:

>Nice crowd Obama runs with ...terrorist sympathizers, American hating wife and preacher, convicted felons as voter registration workers....

Hmmm, one bad acquaintance, one verbal mistake from Obama's wife (did NOT say she hated American..saying you're not proud of recent American politics, what she referred to, is hardly inappropriate), and a ludicrous lie about felon registration workers which would have made the headline rounds if it was true.Bizarre allegations about corruption on Senator Obama, who has the most squeaky-clean record in politics, won't cut it.

And calling Obama 'Osama', what an excellent argument...not. Obama, contrary to SFO, had volumes of details on his health plan on his website and everywhere else.

>How many reporters have been dispatched to Chicago to vet Sen. Obama? The answer is very few.

Actually, a lot of people have poked through his background forever. Duh.

>How could anyone stay in a church for 20 years, stand and clap, sit in the pews and still not understand the hatred and racism of Rev. Wright, his minister and spiritual mentor?

Actually, only 3 out of more than 600 sermons had anything controversial in them, and even then it wasn't the main subject material. And gee, who'd have thought that a black man old enough to remember when blacks were murdered with impunity would have some bitterness? Gee, it's hard to understand, ain't it?

>Pastor Michael Pfleger - whose radical ideas and preaching are well known in Chicago went under the bus. Not the Pfleger I knew.

Obama wasn't even associated with Pfleger, who did some controversial things (encouraging buying time with prostitutes as an outreach to get them to reform), but also campaigned against rappers' drug lyrics and against Jerry Springer's obscenities. Of course, revealing Pfleger's conservative tendencies, or discussing his sheer lack of Obama connections would puncture the argument.


>And Tony Rezko. He raised money for Senator Obama's political career, gave him a sweetheart land deal and most likely taught Sen. Obama a lot about corrupt politics in Chicago.

Right, because his assistance in buying one house must mean they were practically partners, in spite of no evidence whatsoever.

>And those that choose to stand up to him have lies spread about them and a Secret Service agent on their door to intimidate and silence them

You mean all that stuff that never happened? Lies about whom? Obama has stretched the truth in attack ads as has McCain, that's all. The agent thing is pure fantasy.

>Tell me this smart guy, if you believe that Annenberg inoculates Obama from Ayers, then why does Obama only now say Ayers' actions were repugnant?

He's actually been saying it since early in the primaries. Read the news.

>Issuing "action wires" telling people to try and shut down a radio program and prevent people from presenting their point of view is NOT okay.

Having Democrats in Missouri try and threaten people and intimidate them under the guise of a "truth squad" is NOT okay.

The people were actually told to call into a program to protest the lies and exaggerations of an anti-Obama smear book which blew up the Ayers thing into an unsubstantiated 'major issue about his character.' And the threats and intimidation never happened, which is why it never made the news and why only paranoid wack jobs repeat it.


This is gross and shameful. Where are the respect for the facts? Where is the honesty? Not all McCain supporters are like this or even most, I think. What disgusting lack of ethics. No Christians these people, because Christian faith mandates honesty and welcoming, not smears.

Posted by: jamesmallov | October 11, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Women of America Unite!
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!

Women must unite against the liberal media vicious, sexist, cruel, demeaning, contemptuous UN-AMERICAN, unfair, unprofessional, unrelenting and blatantly biased treatment against Vice President Sarah Palin and acting blatantly in favor of Barack Hussein Obama during this unprecedented historic quest for the presidency!

Barack Hussein Obama claims a mightier throne, one forged in liberal ideals of justice and equality and hope, BUT he has benefited mightily from sexism in this campaign, and has remained silent. Obama supporters seem very happy with the sexist way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by Sarah Palin, and many believe that most of the "venom" in the campaign is coming from supporters of Obama.

Women of America Unite in this defining moment in American history. To ensure we can grow up from the male dominated government that has caused many of the problems our country is facing; to a country where men and women are equal partners in governance.

Women of America Unite
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!
VOTE for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 11, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't thank McCain for anything. I think the more the conservatives show their true side the better off we all are. They need to be exposed as the the bigots they are. Let em riot. Lem try and overthrow a democratic administration.

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 11, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain seems to have given Palin too much leach. Now he has lost control. And should concede to avoid sending this country back 30 years, to it's Racist ways. The Rev Wright actually had a point. Though I do not agree with him. But this I think, Palin's resemblance to G. McGovern is becoming more apparent.

Posted by: JakeLaRUe | October 11, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

For 8 years liberal displayed effigies of bush hanging yet no outrage. No irrational plant at a McCain rally and it is front page.

Be afraid be very afraid unless you want a socialistic regime in power!
I do not in any fashion advocate violence or inciteful speech but I am afraid of Obama's leadership. He has has several stories about Ayers--just "a guy in the neighborhood", he did know he was a terrorist when they worked together, then he thought he was rehabilitated---from what if he didn't know about Ayers past!!! His record IS the reason and his POOR judgment. 20 years in Rev Wright's church, 13 year close working relationship with Ayers, dishonest loan from Rezko, stated friendship with convicted felon and ex mayor Kwami Kilpatrick, his using US Senate money to travel to Kenya in 2006 to promote his cousin the violent Odinga, his multiple lawsuits against anyone who speaks out, his Truth Squad in MO and his ever changing stories about what he did or did not know or do should terrify everyone of all races who believes in American freedoms. Hired ACORN people solicit fraudulent votes while taking federal funds. WAKE UP AMERICA!

Posted by: Von123 | October 11, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

What is happening folks, is what I call "revenge of reality." The Bush Administration is anti-rational and anti-intellectual." In fact, their supporters early on claimed that they would "create their own reality" by the force of their beliefs. (Sounds like a Peter Pan philosophy, "I believe I can fly.") And so they did. They believed in an economic "fundamentalism," markets are perfect and don't need controls. Banks don't need regulation, they will regulate themselves. The American people are personally in debt over their heads, spend more than they earn, the U.S. deficit doesn't matter, the U.S. debt to other countries doesn't matter. They closed their eyes, wished all of reality away, and "believed" that they could get away with ignoring reality. Reality is pretty insistent. The markets have failed: both the credit market and the stock market. The entire economy will now suffer and we are going into a global recession. What could have been prevented by just a little observation and control is now going to take massive (and very expensive) intervention. This is a moment to learn a lesson. It is not enough just to lament and point fingers. We need to repudiate the anti-intellectual, anti-rational disease that has infected America. We cannot afford to elect anymore Peter Pan, faith-based politicians. We need rational, reality-based leadership.

Posted by: lorax2 | October 11, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Jordan48, let me ask you this question:

If, by voting for John McCain, for the office of President of the United States, YOU KNEW you were elcting the future "ANTI CHRIST" prophesied by Jesus Christ and the book of Revelations....would you still vote for him?

Don't read anything into this as to what I am claiming....I am merely asking for an honest response to that question. YES or NO!

Well?

Posted by: Smoke_Jaguar4 | October 11, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama's candidacy is of God. Go to championsociety.co and download a 272 page book on the issue. It's almost free.

Posted by: strongblood1 | October 11, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Some one in this blog thinks that voting for Obama is voting for antiChrist. What the person does not know is that God is actually behind the campaign and election of Obama at this time and it is very good for America and the rest of the world. Go to championsociety.com and download a serious book, PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA OF USA, and see that Barack Obama is God's answer to many people who have been crying for America. He may not be a perfect Christian, but we should expect something good and big to happen to and for America. Obama himself will be amazed so much that he will embrace the Almighty God a lot closer than he is now. He will be one of the best or the best President that America has ever produced.

Posted by: strongblood1 | October 11, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I would ask everyone this question:

If, by voting for Obama, for the office of President of the United States, YOU KNEW you were elcting the future "ANTI CHRIST" prophesied by Jesus Christ and the book of Revelations....would you still vote for him?

Don't read anything into this as to what I am claiming....I am merely asking for an honest response to that question. YES or NO!

Posted by: Jordan48 | October 11, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

jimothyjones

Do you get a steady supply of oxygen to that bubble you live in, or is oxygen deficiency destroying what few brain cells you have left?

With Obama, you will lose far more than your homes!

Posted by: Jordan48 | October 11, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

GettyLeigh:

I applaud you on the extensive knowlege you have on this subject. This should be required reading for every voter...before they vote!

May I have your permission to quote portions or all of your posting?

If people fail to read this or beleive what you have said here, they are indeed focused on only one thing, not truth, not honesty, but electing the man who tickles their ears with lies and deceptive promises which he can not and will not perform.

What would happen if we, the people, demanded that all of our political representatives reduced their salaries as a penalty phase for bad government. I'm sure they could get along quitye well with a cap of say...$50,000.00 per year. After all, they get all the extra perks from lobbyists don't they?

Posted by: Jordan48 | October 11, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GOD HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUESSEIN!HES ACTUALLY SADDAM IN DISGUISE! OMG HE WAS A TERRORIST WHEN HE WAS 8, AT LEAST I THINK THATS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE!
Its not gonna work this time kids, people are losing jobs and health care. They're not afraid of terrorism, they're afraid of homelessness.

Posted by: jimothyjjones | October 11, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

JayKay2

It would be a small thing indeed if Obama's association with Ayers was a singular incident in his life. But, alas, it is not!

There have been numerous dubious and questionable documented associations with "radical" individuals throughout Obama's political and personal life.

I QUOTE:

Obama keeps reaching back to Chicago political past for policy advisers, and pulling one despicable, vile, and even evil “rabbit” after another out of his hat.

The list of Barack Obama’s radical associations is long and it keeps getting longer. Some are now well-known, but many are not. They need to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HZMD97nMw

Bloomberg) -- Nigerian Stock Exchange Chief Executive Officer Ndi Okereke-Onyiuke is being investigated after holding a fund-raising event linked to U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, Agence France-Presse reported.

U.S. electoral laws forbid donations from foreigners to electoral campaigns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0cq4Nytu8

23 years at TUCC with Jeremiah Wright and James Meeks. racist sermons on Youtube.
He chose the most radical church in the country; chose to immerse himself in hard-core ideological radicalism. Never before has this country considered such a radical leftist for its chief executive.

Michael Pfleger and his hateful and race-hating ramblings, Obama met while carrying out his own radical social activism as community organizer at ACORN, (radical organization) Currently, 11 offices of ACORN are being investigated for voter fraud. Obama gave ACORN $833,000.00!

Penny Pritzker, heads Obama camp National Finance Committee was president of Superior Bank - massively failed and she literally bought her way out of jail paying $460 MILLION fine; was the very epicenter of subprime loan scandal” that would come to eat this nation’s financial system alive.

Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, former head of Obama’s vice presidential selection committee, discovered he benefited from sweetheart loans from subprime king Countrywide.

Tony Rezko certainly and his federal indictments and financial dealing with Obamas of course and William Ayers, US terrorist bomber, Obama-co-lecturer, fellow board member, neighbor, and friend.

Communist Frank Marshall Davis, obama mentor; Saul Alinsky and Gerald Kellman (Kellman’s Woods Fund is how Obama hooked up with terrorist William Ayers)

Chicago lawyer Mazen Asbahi, appointed as Obama camp national coord for Muslim affairs also stepped down after news about his stint on the fund’s board - which includes fundamentalist imam - prompting The Wall Street Journal inquiries about relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood and his long personal relationship with Hamas Jamal Said.

Obama desperately needs voters to forget hes the son of a Muslim father who served an incredibly brutal and corrupt Kenyan government; to forget he attended a madrassa in Indonesia and practiced Islam; forget that he campaigned in Kenya on behalf of Raila Odinga, who relied upon chaos, corruption, and violence in his campaign; numerous associations with radical Muslims; forget the photographs of Obama in traditional Muslim clothes, hanging with Muslim radicals such as Mazen Asbahi and anti-Semite Rashid Khalidi.

The mainstream media has frankly put the security of our great country at risk with an Obama coronation media like CNN & MSNBC is the only way Obama managed to steal the Democrat nomination. So many Americans could care less about who their candidate really is?? simply amazing and frankly scarey.

This man has voted for every gun control bill that has crossed his desk. After all, how can an unarmed citizenry take back what he is attempting to steal or subvert? Your freedoms.

He has no regard for the sanctity of life! He twice voted against the "Child Protection Act" and has ALWAYS supported partial birth abortions.

Yet, the Spirit of this World becons to many deceived souls to follow this man! For he surely serves "the prince of darkness", and you would say...come...lead us....but you have no idea as to where he will in truth lead you.Surely, blind and foolish men will follow, even to their own destruction.

Posted by: Jordan48 | October 11, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Without doubt the last eight years have been one wild ride. A great deal of innuendo has been insinuated by the Obama Campaign and the Democratic Party regarding the economics of the last two presidential terms. Democrats would have the American people believe that the economic duress the United States is currently suffering is entirely the fault of the Republican Party and the Bush Administration. Although, they are indeed responsible for a portion of our economic woes, members of the Democratic Party are culpable as well. In addition to the stresses placed on our financial system by careless government spending, is a string of natural disasters, and the unfortunate devastation caused by the terror attacks on September 11th, 2001. During the Bush Administration, thus far, there has been $133,492,000,000 [$134.5 billion] spent on disaster relief alone. When you add the amount spent on the war on terror, between 2003 and 2008, to the money spent on natural disasters, the Bush Administration will have spent $874,492,000,000. During the Clinton Administration there was only $83,560,000,000 [$83.56 billion] spent on disaster relief. So, during the Bush Administration there was actually $49,932,000,000 [$50 billion] more spent on disaster relief.

Another factor that plays into our economy downturn, during the Bush Administration, is the 9/11 attacks. On Tuesday morning, September 11th, 2001, the United States experienced the devastation of the tragic attacks on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the conspicuous phrase “Let’s Roll” from the passengers on United Airlines Flight 93 before it crashed into a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania. By the end of the week, Friday, September 14th, 2001 the Dow Jones Industrial Average had fallen 1,369.7 points (14.3%), its largest one-week point drop in history. U.S. stocks lost $1.4 trillion in value for the week. This is equivalent to $1.7 trillion in present day terms. In New York City, about 430,000 job-months and $2.8 billion in wages were lost in the three months following the 9/11 attacks. The economic effects were mainly focused on the city's export economy sectors. The city's gross domestic product was estimated to have declined by $27.3 billion for the last three months of 2001 and all of 2002. The Federal government provided $11.2 billion in immediate assistance to the government of New York City in September 2001, and $10.5 billion in early 2002 for economic development and infrastructure needs. In light of this we can tack another 2i.7 billion dollars of unforeseen spending on to the Bush Administration’s overall spending.

People seem to overlook the fact that “the do nothing congress,” a congress that has the worst approval rating ever, with an approval rating of only 13% at this moment in time is in control of the purse strings for federal spending. More importantly, people need to realize that it is congress controlled by the Democratic Party, and has been for the last two years. In order for G.W. Bush to spend any money, congress had to approve it first.
In addition, voters need to take into account that the Bush administration came into office right after the dot com bubble had burst. The Dot-com bubble crash wiped out $5 trillion in market value of technology companies from March 2000 to October 2002. G.W. should be commended for the gains in economic growth that had taken place over his few years in office. Likewise, after the 911 attacks the economy went to the dogs. None of which is GW's fault.

More recently, the housing bubble has burst. Again, G.W. is not solely to blame. Due to national pressure for affordable housing the Community Reinvestment Act was signed into law by the Carter Administration in 1977; critics charged that the law "distorted credit markets, created unnecessary regulatory burden, led to unsound lending, and caused the governmental agencies charged with implementing the law to allocate credit. ”Partly in response to these concerns, Congress included little prescriptive detail and simply directs the banking regulatory agencies to ensure that banks and savings associations serve the credit needs of their local communities in a safe and sound manner. Community groups slowly organized to take advantage of their right under the Act to complain about law enforcement of the regulations.

Then, “the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980” opened up loop holes that allowed for predatory lending by the Carter Administration. On top of that, “The Financial Institutions Reform Recovery and Enforcement Act of 1989”, enacted by the 101st Congress and G. H. W. Bush, greatly increased the ability of advocacy groups, researchers, and other analysts to "perform more-sophisticated, quantitative analyses of banks' records," thereby influencing the lending policies of banks. Again, snowballing and progressing into an even worse scenario, “The Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992,” under the Clinton Administration required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to devote a percentage of their lending to support affordable housing. Such loans allowed variances that borrowers needed to qualify for loans, which allowed mortgages to be issued which might not have otherwise been granted.
Consequently, we had organizations like ACORN, who went to bankers homes and intimidated the families; they even went as far as going to the banks and loading them with ACORN members to make other customers leave. They were threatening banks with lawsuit after lawsuit, charging racism, in order to make the banks give loans they knew would not be paid back. And so greed had set in, and ethics went out the window, According to a 2000 United States Department of the Treasury study of lending trends in 305 U.S. cities between 1993 and 1998, $467 billion in mortgage credit flowed from CRA-covered lenders to low- and medium-income borrowers and areas. In that period, the total number of loans to poorer Americans by CRA-eligible institutions rose by 39% while loans to wealthier individuals by CRA-covered institutions rose by 17%. The share of total US lending to low and medium income borrowers rose from 25% in 1993 to 28% in 1998 as a consequence.
More revisions to laws surrounding lending institutions were to come. In 1999 the Congress enacted and President Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, also known as the "Financial Services Modernization Act," which repealed the part of the Glass-Steagall Act prohibiting a bank from offering a full range of investment, commercial banking, and insurance services. The bill was killed in 1998 because Senator Phil Gramm wanted the bill to expand the number of banks which no longer would be covered by the CRA. He also demanded full disclosure of any financial deals which community groups had with banks, accusing such groups of "extortion." In effect, what Phil Gramm was trying to achieve was to reinstate some regulation by giving the lending institutions back the power to only loan money to those who were not high risk borrowers. Eventually the In 1999 Senators Christopher Dodd and Charles E. Schumer broke another deadlock by forcing a compromise between Gramm and the Clinton administration which wanted to prevent banks from expanding into insurance or securities unless they were compliant with the CRA. In the final compromise, the CRA would cover bank expansions into new lines of business, community groups would have to disclose certain kinds of financial deals with banks, and smaller banks would be reviewed less frequently for CRA compliance. On signing the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, President Clinton said that it, "establishes the principles that, as we expand the powers of banks, we will expand the reach of the [Community Reinvestment] Act." What was needed here was more control over who was allowed to be lent money, not less control.
Moving on, Alan Greenspan needs to own up to the disrepute he is due. The two functions of a Fed chairman are setting interest rates and regulating the financial system. As to the first, there is a reasonable argument that very low interest rates were necessary in 2002-03 to forestall the threat of deflation, which was quite real. Low rates by themselves do not cause bad loans to be made, nor do high rates necessarily prevent them from being made. Lenders live on margins- borrowing at 1 % and lending at 5 % is functionally the same as borrowing at 4 % and lending at 8 %. As to the second, the regulation of the financial system, there can be little doubt that Mr. Greenspan was derelict in his duties to the point of criminal negligence. The economics and mortgage rates enacted by Alan Greenspan, under the Clinton administration, were an inevitable economic crisis waiting to happen. Greenspan also praised the rise of the subprime mortgage industry and the tools with which it uses to assess credit-worthiness in an April 2005 speech:

Innovation has brought about a multitude of new products, such as subprime loans and niche credit programs for immigrants. Such developments are representative of the market responses that have driven the financial services industry throughout the history of our country … With these advances in technology, lenders have taken advantage of credit-scoring models and other techniques for efficiently extending credit to a broader spectrum of consumers. … Where once more-marginal applicants would simply have been denied credit, lenders are now able to quite efficiently judge the risk posed by individual applicants and to price that risk appropriately. These improvements have led to rapid growth in subprime mortgage lending; indeed, today subprime mortgages account for roughly 10 percent of the number of all mortgages outstanding, up from just 1 or 2 percent in the early 1990s.
The subprime mortgage industry collapsed in March 2007, with many of the largest lenders filing for bankruptcy protection in the face of spiraling foreclosure rates. For these reasons, Greenspan has been criticized for his role in the rise of the housing bubble and the subsequent problems in the mortgage industry, as well as "engineering" the housing bubble itself.
Enter the gas crisis. With India and China growing at unprecedented rates, their need for fuel to provide energy for their continued expansion and modernization has created a shortage in the amount of oil for American needs. In turn, the oil is then sold to the highest bidder, which raises the prices. for everybody. In Europe, as their bulk needs are less, the price was already outrageous years ago. Nonetheless, Naive people, who bought houses without researching the loans they bought into, overextended their financial resources, partially because of the gas prices, and partially because of adjustable arm mortgage rates. All of a sudden, people can’t pay their mortgages.

By defaulting on their home loans, the banks are now in a bad spot. The banks and mortgage lending companies can’t pay the money back to those financial investment companies who they borrowed it from. Everybody goes bankrupt. The assets of the financial investment companies are bought out at a loss by American and foreign companies that have the ability to suck up their losses. Now that there is less money in play, because it is all tied up in material assets there is no progress in manufacturing goods. People are sitting on the liquid cash they do have because they are afraid to spend it. The economy is sluggish. No jobs are being created, because there is no incentive to sell the goods if they were made.

This is what is commonly called an economic cycle. Like it or not, it’s like a cold, no matter how you try to remedy it, it has to run its course. Blaming the previous administration for the woes of the economy is nothing more than a dog and pony show that happens every time an election comes along. No single candidate will fix the problem in the time allotted for their term as president.

Posted by: gettyleigh | October 11, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

from 2001 through 2007 total government spending increased a whopping 47 percent, from $1.86 to $2.73 trillion. It didn't do that all at once, but rather, grew each year an average of 6.2 percent. The worst year during that time period for government growth was 2002, when it increased 7.9 percent. The best was, perhaps surprisingly, 2007; government spending only advanced 2.8 percent that year. Republicans tried to reform themselves, but did too little too late. How did the Democrats do? Spending has advanced this year an astronomical 8.3 percent, to $2.96 trillion, exceeding even the worst of the Bush years. Total spending this year was more than a trillion dollars higher than it was when Bush took office in January 2001, and more than $200 billion of that increase was accomplished in just the last year.” Considering the tax dollars that he plans to spend, his lack of transparency, his campaign tactics, his known associations, and his association with ACORN, voters need to seriously consider why they are willing to elect Barack Obama for the highest office in the land.
The tax dollars that Obama plans to spend on socialized programs such as national healthcare will come from the taxpayers one way or the other. The money the government uses to pay for military expenses, welfare, civil servant salaries, government works programs, disaster relief, etc . . . is based on the money the government expects to collect from taxpayers and businesses. This money is not just sitting around waiting to be spent; it is a projected amount that they expect to collect. Especially now, that we have committed 700+ billion dollars to rescue all these corporations and defaulted home loans. Not to mention the 85 billion we spent bailing out AIG and the money for the other corporations we already helped. To top that off we now have a 10 trillion dollar deficit. Where is Obama getting all this money he has committed to tax cuts, tax credits, reducing the deficit, education benefits, healthcare benefits, and other social reforms? Understand,I am aware I missed a few of his handouts. At the Saddleback debate, he said people making less than $150,000 will see a tax cut, those making over $250,000 will see an increase in taxes; he never mentioned the fate of those who fall in between. There is a good chance he’ll do the same as McCain, and leave taxes in their present state, because of our economic circumstance.
Brian Riedl of the Heritage Foundation says Obama has proposed nearly $350 billion per year in new spending; in all actuality his budget is looking closer to $850 billion. No matter the amount, at this point in time, the entire corporate tax code only raises about $350 billion annually. Even if Obama doubles the taxes on those making $250,000.00 or more he would still fall short of his goal. Not to mention, in our current economic downturn the tax base will not reach the projected $350 billion. So, it’s unrealistic to think the extra tax dollars collected will be enough to pay for all these things, and it’s unrealistic that he will be able to achieve all the promises he has committed to. For certain he knows this, and is aware that honoring all his promises is not a feasible proposition; so he is in fact, just stringing everybody along. More of the same is that, not only has he committed his administration to providing all those benefits to the voters and raising taxes on businesses, but he committed to raising the minimum wage again after it was just raised a few months ago.
His claims that he is going to gain tax dollars by making businesses pay capital gains tax is pure nonsense, because businesses don’t pay capital gains taxes, they pay income taxes. Further, by raising taxes on businesses and raising the minimum wage, it just makes it that much harder for small businesses to remain in business. In the end, his plans to tax those making $250,000 is just going to inspire people to duck the tax by stopping short of those earnings, and impede commerce. People aren’t idiots; it will especially affect start-up businesses, as they will choose to not put the extra effort forth if they know they will not benefit from it. Likewise, people are notorious for getting over on the system, where is the incentive to bump earnings into the next tax bracket and have the hassle of dealing with more employees if you’re comfortable where you are at? What he is creating, is an insurmountable hump that will deter people from growing their businesses beyond $250,000 in yearly gross sales.
Otherwise, a business cannot be viable if there is not enough cash flow to keep it solvent. By adding more overhead in the form of another wage increase, and a reduction in cash flow from an increase taxes, margins of profit start shrinking, which in turn reduces cash flow. Small businesses are the heart and soul of America; more people are employed by small businesses than large businesses. In order to stay in business, they would have to raise their prices, which would in turn be passed on to the public. So nobody will truly benefit from his economic plan in that aspect.
Raising the minimum wage might increase the amount of money in your paycheck, but the IRS will just take more tax to build their coffers. Again, Business owners are the only ones who get hurt. If the business fails, and the people are left unemployed, another burden is placed on the tax payers in the form of unemployment or health & welfare assistance. As for his healthcare plan, he claims it will not be socialized/ Yet, when the insurance companies no longer are in the loop, because everyone jumped on the government bandwagon, the feds will either have to oversee it themselves by forming a new federal agency or sub-contract it out to others. Either way, wastefulness and sloth, at the expense of the taxpayer, will be the ultimate outcome. All we have to do is look around us to see the many fine examples of government run agencies, and programs that are subsidized by the government to evidence the inefficiency of such organizations. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are a few great examples.
Additionally, Obama wants to restrict trade. Restricting trade is idiotic, as the value of the goods we export is almost 95% of what we produce. His fiscal philosophy, cast from the JFK administration, may have been great during JFK’s short tenure, but in our current dilemma we cannot afford to go that route. He needs to be cornered in the debates about these issues. Obama’s economic plan looks like Swiss cheese. Take note that in the Tennessee debate in, he dodged the question, when asked what he would sacrifice. The thing that scares me most about lawyers who seek the presidential office is that they are indoctrinated in the ways of twisting the truth and the law in a most convincing way.

Posted by: gettyleigh | October 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Dano111

You are indeed blind to the events which have taken place and the reasons why they have occured!

Are you so easily manipulated by a news media that twists and subverts the truth? This same left wing newsmedia, (NBC, MSNBC, CBS, NYT to name a few) which has praised Obama as their "political messiah", all the while twisting the minds and hearts of the people with their bias media reports.

I remember a time, immediately after 9-11, when the the vast majority of US citizens wanted and approved of Bush's war on terror! I remember as well, the exhaustive negotiations with Iraq's Sadam Hussein, which went on for several months if not a year, wherein the UN sanctions and threats fell upon an errogant man who exhaulted his own form of terror upon his own people. Oh, how fickle many of you are, and how blind you have become.

Ignorant and blind men blame the present economic fiasco on the present political administration, when in fact, it was the democraps who sowed the seed of this economic crisis under the Clinton Administration.

It was the democraps who, in truth, opposed regulation of Fannie Mae and Freedie Mac. These are recorded records in the halls of our congress, but you do not seek the truth, for it would be an incovenient truth which rails against your twisted views of your world.

No leader makes all the right choices. I do understand why we invaded Iraq, but there are those who would twist the truth to conform to the spirit of this world! You would not beleive the "truth" not even if Christ himself stood before you and revealed it to you!

We have become a nation wherein "every man does whatever he thinks is good." How very sad for this nation, for you have sealed your own doom and the fall of this once great nation!

Posted by: Jordan48 | October 11, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I just find all of this very upsetting.

They are trying to create fear around Obama. Things like associating him with terrorists - in this case Bill Ayers' actions 40 years ago, but they also sent a whole bunch of absentee ballots to people in nothern New York where there was a 'typo' on the ballots - with Obama spelt 'Osama'.

They said it was too late to change it now. The state where 9/11 happened - they have a typo putting Osama instead of Obama????? That is meant to be a psychological play on voters - meant to have the effect whereby they know it is just a typo but can they bring themselves to tick 'Osama'?

Rude - just rude.

Then introducing him as Barack Hussien Obama - this again is an attempt to identify Obama as an 'enemy' in the minds of the public. It is just DIRTY. There is nothing remotely acceptable about these kinds of tactics.

Now they come with the ACORN stuff, where Acorn people have made it clear they identify what they think are dodgy registrations themselves - probably bundle them together in a 'dodgy' batch - but they are required to pass ALL registrations on - so the best they can do if flag those suspect ones. Now you get stories of people working through a batch commenting about how 'every single one is a suspect registration' BUT no mention of the fact that ACORN TOLD THEM those registrations were dodgy.

ACORN has been firing people who have handed this stuff in. Gee - I wonder what the past voting record of those filing dodgy registrations were? The ACORN leader did refer to these issues being MANUFACTURED in a number of cases (like manufactured by the GOP perhaps?).

And for that matter, how much might illegal donations to the Obama camp, using fake names, have been manufactured by GOP operatives so they could 'uncover the bodies, knowing exactly where they were' when the time came that it suited them? A little investment in an October surprise perhaps?

I just see the GOP manufacturing mud all around Obama, using very dirty tatics to try and get another 4 years of power after they have pretty much destroyed America - economically, militarily, global reputation wise - they want another 4 years and wow - America would be so regretting it if they gave it to them - fell for their dirty tricks again.

And oh the annoying things we have to look forward to, as they attempt to strip as many 'would probably vote democrat' voters from voter lists and then get to the business of challenging and trying to bully away voters on election day - have less voting forms delivered to places where turnout for Obama is expected to be high - etc.

Put aside the day of the election - be prepared to have to go to whatever length necessary to get your vote in - do not be discouraged, dissuaded and blocked into being disinfranchised.

Take America back!

Posted by: JayKay2 | October 11, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The battle for the future of this nation, whether we be a nation under God, or a Godless nation, is not about economics, nor is it a race to elect the prettiest face, or the smoothest talker. It is a race which will doubtless determine the future of this nation and it's people.

There should be no doubt in the hearts and minds of God fearing men that the Democratic Party's philosophies of government, social and moral values (the lack of them), and their demand for tolerance, when they fail to embrace that same tolerance for those who disagree, has twisted the truth to conform to the spirit of this world. They have become a party of death!

For surely, if they continue to gain control of our lives through their ungoldly politics, the financial, moral, and family values that once made this nation truly great will be lost forever in the smoke and ashes of what remains.

Posted by: Jordan48 | October 11, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

See John McCain and Tom Brokaw Cuss at each other, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mng0njC1D6c Guess not to happy about something during the debate.

See more Debate STuff at http://www.watchdebate.com
Schedules, Poles, Videos, Outtakes.

Posted by: pastor123 | October 11, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Do people really have to ask what the difference is between "booing" an opponent, and calling one a "terrorist" and saying to "kill him"?
Really?
Do you really not see the difference?

We're not talking about WWF, by the way.
This is a serious discussion about the future of America, and those who support it.

Unlike Todd, and maybe Sarah Palin, who have close ties to the Alaskan Independence Party, which calls for the secession of that state from the US.

Look it up on youtube. Sarah+AIP+convention on youtube.

Posted by: franglais | October 11, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

ANGRY GOP RALLY SHOUTERS: ARE THEY AGIT-PROP PLANTS?

WaPo reporters should spend more time on the periphery of these rallies, in the hours before the scheduled event. Not performing a "stunt" but doing some serious observation.

They might discern that some of the most vociferous rabble-rousers hang together in packs, don't quite look like your "average Joe," and appear to be part of an orchestrated "street theater" -- not necessarily a reflection of spontaneous crowd enthusiasm. Examine closely their attire, and the electronics they are carrying.

Could they be the "stromtroopers" in a troubling offensive -- the use of organized civilians for "extra-judicial" targeting, agitation and harassment?


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens OR

members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 11, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

ANGRY GOP RALLY SHOUTERS: ARE THEY AGIT-PROP PLANTS?

WaPo reporters should spend more time on the periphery of these rallies, in the hours before the scheduled event. Not performing a "stunt" but doing some serious observation.

They might discern that some of the most vociferous rabble-rousers hang together in packs, don't quite look like your "average Joe," and appear to be part of an orchestrated "street theater" -- not necessarily a reflection of spontaneous crowd enthusiasm. Examine closely their attire, and the electronics they are carrying.

Could they be the "stromtroopers" in a troubling offensive -- the use of organized civilians for "extra-judicial" targeting, agitation and harassment?


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens OR

members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 11, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

It is very mean-spirited and sexist to point out Palin's appalling lack of intellectual curiousity, her scant appreciation of anything past the Jerry Springer drama of her family, and the evidence she presents of her lack of meaningful understanding of energy, economics, foreign affairs and common sense.

Shame on us.

As for John McCain, we are demonstrating rudeness for calling attention to his chronologically challenged grip on the needs of most Americans, his tone deaf mumbling about the economic topics he has declared beyond his ken and his lurching, stumbling, fumbling, bumbling campaign - and its gruesome staff of moral degenerates, Bushie retreads and churlish spokespersons.

Shame on us, again.

Instead, let's talk about guilt by flimsy and nebulous association - and other non-issues that have absolutely nothing to do with our country and the dire straits it is in thanks to our current Administration.

Okay?

Ready?

All together now, let's exclaim --- "Your doin' a heck of a job, Brownie."

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | October 11, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a lier.

Her baby was allegedly born on April 18, 2008.

WHY ISN"T SARAH PALIN AT LEAST 7 MONTHS PREGNANT IN THIS PUBLIC GOVERNORS PHOTO TAKEN IN FEBRUARY 2008?

http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/2008Meeting.htm (Feb, 2008) Click "view larger photo".

THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN ON MARCH 14TH, 2008 - 1 MONTH BEFORE SHE ALLEGEDLY GAVE BIRTH! SHE IS CLEARLY NOT PREGNANT!!!

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9

anyone?

Show me one publicly dated photo from March 2008 where she is full-term pregnant.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

>Did Obama chastise the supporters who booed when Obama mentioned McCain's name?

Oh, if why nothing is ment by it why do people who are against hObama use it? Thats funny isnt it?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

>Did Obama chastise the supporters who booed when Obama mentioned McCain's name?

You know damn well the reason they are saying his middle name is to illict racism and fear. It's ment to emphasise a connection with something foreign, sumething muslim, to remind you its the same as Saddam Hussan. Cut the crap.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

moonpie, get a life and stop with the phiny repub digs. What rel people are you going to talk to? The ones who holler "Kill him" or "treason?" Or the scaredy cat racist rednecks who wouldn't vote for a Black man if Jesus told them to.
Funny how you all lie bout Michelle Obama being "mad." I've seen her interviewed on several occasions, have seen her makes speeches. Not one time have I seen her mad. She is actually quite pleasant compared to cindy mccain, who lied about the chill through her body when she said Obama voted against a military funding bill that did not include a timetable. Wonder what she felt when hubby voted against the same funding bill that did have a timetable in it. How come you never mention that one? Too mad? Get real.

Posted by: mikel7 | October 11, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

So enlighten us. after 8 years of the worst president, the worst finacial situation is the great depression, a war sold on lies, a candidate who picked an unqualified running mate, what does it take for you to realize "OK, maybe I should differently this time"?

It completley baffles me that people have have such blind bias to a party. Hey I'm libral, but if Obama did the same thing, I vote him right out.

What is it? What would it take for you? Breadlines? A nuclear war? massive death for violent riots? What?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Did Obama chastise the supporters who booed when Obama mentioned McCain's name?
Posted by: mafox1
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As a matter of fact, he did. He extolled mccain's military record and said he deserved praise and honor for it. Obama has always given mccain credit for his service. Funny how no one at Obama rallies cry "Kill him!" when he mentions mccain or shouts out "What do we got to do to stop this guy!" How about that, pwcgal (or aspergal, whatever you call yourself today). When did Obama call the Secret Service on anyone? It is they who are looking into the loudmouth mccain-palin nutjobs. Obama has not suppressed anyone's speech, just answers the lies those like you make up and repeat ad nauseum.
How come no one introduces mccain as john "sidney" mccain? Afraid some repubs will think he's Jewish? He does pal around with lieberman a lot. Would you guys vote for mccin is he were half-Jewish? If so, why can't you vote for someone who is half African and half white American?

Posted by: mikel7 | October 11, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm still trying to figure out why exactly I read these comments all the time.

Posted by: nmoses | October 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

>Is this yet another tactic to avoid answering the challenges dissenting posters have put out there?

McCain is a real son of a b*tch. After a week of smearing and enciting a culter war and hate, now he wants to put the genie back in the bottle.

Plain has some nerve to open her mouth after abusing her powers.

She's a lier.

Palin/McCain 08= Igloo trash and an old erratic hot-head.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I cant wait. I simply cant wait untill Obama wins. after 8 years of Bush and 20th century saber rattling conservatism. Its over!

One of my favorite aspects of this, is to watch Hannity and Limbah rot themselves from the inside out from seething the lost.

Your twisted conservatism is dead. The country leans left. Thats a fact.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Dano111,
Please stop re-posting the same posts you made previously.

Is this yet another tactic to avoid answering the challenges dissenting posters have put out there?

Your bitterness and hate seeps through in your posts. We get it. Perhaps your real name is "Michelle"??

Signing off now, going out to talk to real people about who the "real" Obama is.

Even Obama can't stop us from doing that.
Moderate people, talking to each other, and asking why the secrecy, the fraud, the thuggish attempts to control the message and suppress our rights?

Ta ta for now.

Posted by: MoonpieDreams | October 11, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

You just keep proving my point.

You guys will still have Hannity, Rove and Limbah fule your fire for 4 years.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Did Obama chastise the supporters who booed when Obama mentioned McCain's name?

Posted by: mafox1 | October 11, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

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Thank you, mafox1.

Exactly.

All Obama has is the low road.

Even his Democratic opponents in the primaries made it clear he is immature and thin-skinned. He can't stand up to the scrutiny or the challenges. There are plenty of articles out there dissecting what a narcissist he is, and how he is emotionally stunted.

Not someone I want dealing with those on the world stage that wish harm upon America.

Posted by: MoonpieDreams | October 11, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

This election has really opened to my eyes to the state of American culture (or lack of).

I used to believe being elite was some snotty term, now I've come to realize I'm elite and I’m damn proud of it.

You don’t have to look hard or far to find many Americans trolling the blogs, at McCain rally’s, in your neighborhood or even at work who despite claiming how American they are or what proud Christians they are, are really nothing more than uncultured, ignorant, uneducated, white trash bigots.

Those joe-schmoes at the McCain rally who said Obama was Arab and they were afraid of him are lowest form of people. Not only should they be ashamed of themselves but their parents are a complete disgrace for those values to be instilled.

The guy who lives right across the street from me flat out said “I’m not voting for a n*gger.” I have ended my contact with him because I simply will not tolerate it.

Another women who is very close to our family actually works for the local state government and is involved with voter registration said “this election is about a white women and a black man”. “America isn’t ready for a black president”.

I am truly disgusted and embarrassed by it.

Yes, I do believe I am better than this.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

>Only in America can you hijack 4 planes, murder 3,000 people and run for president.

See, another ignorant, unclultured assh*le. all you people have left is bigotry and hate to run on.

Your ideolgy is corrupt. its dead.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Dano111,
It is clear you are a paid Obama troll.
You can't post anything past pre-approved Obama talking points. Glad to see you're at least a good troll and sticking to the script.
So sad.
You really should try and get a real job.
If McCain wins, you might actually have to work for a living.
Scary, huh?

Posted by: MoonpieDreams | October 11, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Dano111,
I notice that you don't repudiate Obama's thug tactics:

the "get in their faces"

the "action wires" to try and shut down free speech and stop a radio broadcaster from discussing Obama's background

the "truth squads" who threaten to file charges against anyone who deems to challenge the "one".

People are upset, they are concerned, and the MSM has NOT done its job to investigate the "real" Obama.

Where are the demands that he release his medical records? He's a heavy smoker. Other candidates have historically released their medical records.

Where are the demands from the MSM that Obama release his scholastic transcripts to prove he legitimately earned his way on MERIT and not through affirmative action and white liberal guilt?

Where are the demands from the MSM to question why he is choosing to fight the Berg lawsuit, instead of just providing the information requested to address people's unspoken fears and concerns?

The MSM has been AWOL and people are getting upset.

Ayers is a terrorist. He has admitted to be one, and wishes he could have done more.

There is nothing wrong with saying Ayres is a terrorist.

There is nothing wrong with saying "you're mad" and upset that the socialists are taking over this country and destroying it.
I cheered that commentator, I applauded him, as did many others.

It's called FREE SPEECH
FREE WILL.

People ARE angry.
People ARE demanding answers.

Obamatrons can troll all they want, they can try and pretend that they are in the majority, but they are NOT.

Obama thinks he is going to get the Hillary votes, but he is mistaken.

Posted by: MoonpieDreams | October 11, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people have watched him for 2 years, the Clintons for one. So what?? That means you know him? Right....

He's going to rob you.

"A government big enough to take care of your every need is a government big enough to take everything you've got".

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 11, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

>Anyone who challenged his policies or questions his positions is deemed a "racist".

No, thats false. Policy difference is policy difference. Racism and ignorance is racisim and ignorance.

You first have to get honest with yourself before you can get honest with anyone else.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

>The American people need to educate themselves about who the real Barack Obama is.

They should also do the same for McCain and Palin. For the short time Plain has on the national scene it's anything but impressive. Lack of knowledge, abuse of ethics. Palin is a lier. She lied about the baby too. (Find me 1 public photo dated in March 2008 that shows her full-term pregnant.)

So who and what will he be tomorrow? A Conservative? A Democrat? A Populist? A Maverick? The real change agent? Or maybe just aptly, Bozo The Clown?

McCain is too frantic, jittery and erratic. Too reckless and political. He make me feel very uneasy. He's is directionless.

so the real question is who is the real John McCain and Sarah Palin"?

I know who Barack is, I watched him everyday for 2 years straight.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

MoonpieDreams:

It's too late, Bro. These idiots have been brain-washed into thinking that Osama Hussein is going to "get them out of their rat holes" and take care of them.

How is it that he has been in mational politics for only 3 years and is already running for president?? Has nothing to do with him being gifted or "special". Has everything to do with stupid Americans being brain-washed.

Osama Hussein wants to unite America??? Right.... What has he done?? Nothing. Note one fruitful thing.

You Liberals enjoy your cupcake.

Only in America can you hijack 4 planes, murder 3,000 people and run for president.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 11, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Did Obama chastise the supporters who booed when Obama mentioned McCain's name?

Posted by: mafox1 | October 11, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Dano111,
I couldn't agree with your more in your disappointment about this election.

I thought this race was going to be about issues and policy.

Instead, Obama used division and hate from the beginning.

Anyone who challenged his policies or questions his positions is deemed a "racist".

It is very disappointing, I know.

That the alleged "post-racial" candidate and his supporters scream "racist" as a method of distracting you from asking tough questions, and that Obama would fly to Africa to campaign from a socialist who used racial violence and tension to gain power.

These are challenging times indeed, but the American people are up to the challenge, and will repudiate these types of tactics on Nov 4th when the moderates from left, right and center band together and vote McCain.

NOBAMA.

Posted by: MoonpieDreams | October 11, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

>Obama is the one who started the ugly campaigning and took it to a level of urging people to get ugly.

My 12 year old nephew does the same exact thing when confronted with something he did wrong.

He refects it back instead of owning up to it. Thats what imature children do. I can excuse him, he's a kid.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

When is Obama going to talk about his trips to Kenya to campaign for, and support, his cousin, Odinga, who incited racial violence to win.

The American people need to educate themselves about who the real Barack Obama is. Who he chooses to associate with and support says ALOT about his character.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/kenyas_killing_fields

Educate yourselves:
http://blog.pumapac.org

Posted by: MoonpieDreams | October 11, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Nope still doesn't work.

It's all about "throwing people under the bus" AFTER he's been called out on it. Gave back fould contributions AFTER he was caught, denounced Akers after he was outted, Denounced Wright after he said he "could no more give up Wright than he could denounce his black" people, and so on.

Back-peddling and throwing people under the bus AFTER you've been caught does not make you clean.

Fact is, Osama Hussein is dirty. H ecomes from Chicago where politicians, policemen and goverment in general has been known for it's murderous mobs and corruption for decades.

BYW, Osam HATES it when people call him by his full given name Husseing Obama. WHY? Becasue the cigarette smoking hipocrit knows it turns voters off. No wonder Jessy Jackson wnats to cut his balls off.

Nice try, but a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist no matter how much flower you pour over him.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 11, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

This election has really opened to my eyes to the state of American culture (or lack of).

I used to believe being elite was some snotty term, now I've come to realize I'm elite and I’m damn proud of it.

You don’t have to look hard or far to find many Americans trolling the blogs, at McCain rally’s, in your neighborhood or even at work who despite claiming how American they are or what proud Christians they are, are really nothing more than uncultured, ignorant, uneducated, white trash bigots.

Those joe-schmoes at the McCain rally who said Obama was Arab and they were afraid of him are lowest form of people. Not only should they be ashamed of themselves but their parents are a complete disgrace for those values to be instilled.

The guy who lives right across the street from me flat out said “I’m not voting for a n*gger.” I have ended my contact with him because I simply will not tolerate it.

Another women who is very close to our family actually works for the local state government and is involved with voter registration said “this election is about a white women and a black man”. “America isn’t ready for a black president”.

I am truly disgusted and embarrassed by it.

Yes, I do believe I am better than this.


Posted by: Dano111 | October 11, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Here's my last post as I must be going. This, I found a while back and think it is wonderfully constructed:
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Sorry, but the truth isn't "liberal." It's pretty funny to hear you right-wingers screech when things don't go your way, just like infants in the sandbox. And I don't need to be lectured on "loving America" by the same self-loving conservatives who opposed every advance in human rights in this country for the last 70 years. You have destroyed this economy every time you've gotten your hands on it, though Democrats always clean up your messes. You have killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocents around the world. You have beaten, dragged, lynched, and defamed everyone who looks different from you or disagrees with you.

I don't need your moral judgments on liberalism, because you have no ground from which to make them. You are morally, intellectually, and now financially bankrupt. It is you who hate the idea that America means dialogue and compromise--you want it all, all to yourselves.

I love my home and my country too much to cede it to the likes of you. It's not America I hate--it's your philosophy. America is more generous, decent, and kind than you have ever let it be, or would ever let it be.

That said, it's an American tradition to honor our fellow Americans' hatefulness as their "right." So I honor your right to continue hating everyone to the left of Hitler. But you will never, never, get my vote, and I will work as hard as I can to undermine your every effort, in every way I can, as long as I live.

Enjoy watching history move past you. It will whether you want it to or not.

Posted by: Mike A | September 3, 2008 1:50 AM
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Great comment from a truly enlightened American Patriot! Thank you, Mike.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 11, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the one who started the ugly campaigning and took it to a level of urging people to get ugly.

As reported back on Sept 17th in the SF paper, no less:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/17/politics/p185733D40.DTL&type=politics


"The feistier, more sarcastic tone came as worried Democrats urged Obama to get tougher and show more passion. Obama has tried to assure donors and voters that he's been schooled by Chicago politics."

Well, that's reassuring. Because Chicago politicans are known for their honesty and decorum. /sarc/

Telling your supporters to "get in their face" is NOT okay.

Issuing "action wires" telling people to try and shut down a radio program and prevent people from presenting their point of view is NOT okay.

Having Democrats in Missouri try and threaten people and intimidate them under the guise of a "truth squad" is NOT okay.

Obama has a lot of explaining to do.

Posted by: MoonpieDreams | October 11, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

So Annenberg's appointment of Obama inoculates him from the bad judgement of choosing to work and collaborate with Ayers? Nice try. Annenberg is not running for president, Obama is. Nice straw man. We don't know Annenberg from a hole in the wall, we have no idea if Annenberg knew or care or was on top of any of this, nor is it relevant. You are offering a logical fallacy in defense of Obama's connection.

Tell me this smart guy, if you believe that Annenberg inoculates Obama from Ayers, then why does Obama only now say Ayers' actions were repugnant? Why not continue to work with Ayers? Afterall Annenberg appointed Obama, therefore Ayers must be a non issue.

RIght? Smart guy? Didn't think so, g-d you must think we are all dumb.

Posted by: CeaJay | October 11, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Socialists_for_Obama:

You just keep on making my point. Small-minded, hate filled lunatic fringe people like you are (ironically enough) the ones who will spell doom for the bigoted conservatives.

And get you facts straight. Mr. Obama has had no association w/ farakhan.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 11, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama's thank you to McCain demonstrates he is a mensch. For those of you not familiar with the word "mensch," its a German and Yiddish word which means a respectable person with high integrity and honor.

On the other hand, we have Tucker Bounds representing the McCain campaign and trying blame Obama for the McCain/Palin effort to incite the baser instincts of his supporters. Not a mensch.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 11, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"I hope you know sniffing glue is bad for you. But you probably don't because KKK idiots are certainly not the smartest of the bunch. So keep on sniffing and eating your possum pie but please stop diddling your children...that is just sick.

You are a bigot. The hate you spew is un-American and there is no place for that in this country. America stands for diversity and tolerance. If continue w/ your racist remarks, let me say on behalf of this country, you are not welcome in this great nation. You are un-American. Please leave.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 11, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse "

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WOW. Just WOW.
This foul language and hate speech is typical of Obama supporters.

Make your points with respect and without slurs and ad-hominem attacks, please.

You are only reinforcing the belief that Obama supporters are maniacal, deranged haters.

Please keep it civil and restrain yourself.

Posted by: MoonpieDreams | October 11, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Socialists_for_Obama:

What character issues do you want answered?

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

In 1995, Mr. Obama was on a team of lawyers that represented Acorn in a lawsuit to compel Illinois to comply with federal laws intended to enhance access to the polls. The team also represented Equip for Equality, a group that promotes the rights of the disabled, and four individuals.

Rezko: in October 2006 -- Rezko was indicted on charges he solicited kickbacks from companies seeking state pension business under his friend Gov. Blagojevich. Federal prosecutors maintain that $10,000 from the alleged kickback scheme was donated to Obama's run for the U.S. Senate. Obama has given the money to charity.

Where he stands on issues are clearly outlined on his website. And finally, there many more endorsements for his platform than Mccain's.

Stop with the guilt by association tactic. No one is buying it.

And by the way, I called you a bigot, not a racist.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 11, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

To Godhimself1:

How is it today in the Arkansas trailer park?? Yep, these are the people that are trying to put Osama in the White House. The greasy, truly uneducated, brain-washed idiots.

Britinay Spears has more balls than Osama and you people.

Answer the questions about why you support terrorists and people who hate our country like Wright, Farakhan, Ayers, etc.

Only in America can you hijack 4 planes, murder 3,000 people and be president.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 11, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Why won't Obama just produce the documents that Phil Berg is requesting and put questions and concerns about his history, his past, his eligibility to rest?

Why hire a lawyer who worked for CAIR to spend a lot of time and money to file a motion to dismiss and a motion for a "protective order" to continue hiding from any real scrutiny?

Why the secrets? Why the evasion?
The American people have a right to KNOW.

obamacrimes.com

Posted by: MoonpieDreams | October 11, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Manolete you talk about Obama mugging of VP nomination Palin, but not once have you given any real evidence of it. If Palin has issues with the media it is a creature of her own making.

I did notice, and I find this quite odd that a individual claiming another's image is being tarnished, that you continually make note of Sen. Obama's first and last name, further evidence of yet another individual feeding into Arabic Propaganda.

It is your God given right to voice your opinion, but if in the same breath you are spreading you distasteful view of the American way, than you are wrong.

To blame the pundits and some news organizations for their views of Palin in the media is also quite strange. If Palin happens to mess up in the media, of course they will exploit it, she's new to the scene, hasn't given many interviews, and this is an election year. To think that the media should not exploit her would be senseless.

Posted by: shannonals | October 11, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Rick Davis is the biggest Puke!

Ignoring the economy, and that's what they're doing and hoping we'll do too, isn't a recipe for the future!

As someone said in another post...

No 3rd term for Moose and Squirrel!

Posted by: Roofelstoon | October 11, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

To the liberals here posting this garbage about McCain's supporters being violent and racist. Get a grip. You are living in a fantasy land. How many blacks are voting for Obama over McCain according to polls? What? A ration of 10:1? OK then, now close your trap. The vast majority of Americans who supporter McCain don't give a crap about Obama's race, they care about the total lack of character and the total lack of accomplishments. Wake up.

Posted by: CeaJay | October 11, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 11, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Godhimself1

See folks. Whever people bring up real character issues, they can't answer them. Instead, they say "you're racist". THat's waht you way when you can't answer the real questions. You're dodging and it won't work.

Answer the questions. That's all you have to do. But, of cource, you can't.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 11, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

HOW IN THE HELEN OF TROY DID AMERICA ALLOW THESE TWO GOONS TO MAKE IT THIS FAR?

-OBAMA IS A SMOOTH-TALKING CHILD

-MCCAIN IS A CORRUPT OLD FART

AND...OUR NATION IS FACING MORE DESPERATE TIMES THAN EVER BEFORE.

WAY TO GO AMERICA- NOT SURE HOW YOU GO YOURSELF INTO THIS ONE, BUT I GUESS YOU DESERVE IT!

Posted by: anzianohansen | October 11, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

>>There is no room in MY America for Obama.

Well, then you better start packing your bags girl.


I hear Costa Rica is nice... nice climate, lost cost of living. Of course it means living with people that aren't white bread and Republican.


Posted by: kiernanje | October 11, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

PWCGal:

Keep commenting, You are making my point even stronger. Thanks!

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 11, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama and everyone else, please do not be taken in by McCain so-called new awakening. Remember it was he and Palin who planted their evil seeds in the first place, and the only reason they are toning it down - if you choose to believe it - is because it's not working for them. Voters are rejecting their stupidity because they fail to understand that it's all about the economy !

I truly hope everyone will turn the page on this old dirty stale politics, and choose a better path. It's time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It's time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It's time for REAL change in Washington, it's time to elect Barack Obama for president !

Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !


Obama-Biden in 08 and 2012 !

P.S.

McCain Is Asked to Denounce Supporters’ Outbursts:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/10/labor-leader-asks-mccain-to-denounce-supporters-outbursts/

A top labor leader released a statement today calling on John McCain and Sarah Palin to denounce a string of angry crowd outburst that have come to define the tone of the Republican campaign in recent days.
“In a world where unspeakable violence is too often promulgated by extremists, it is no small or trivial matter to call someone a terrorist–or to incite potentially dangerous individuals toward violence,” AFL-CIO President John Sweeney said this afternoon.

Posted by: Obama44thpres | October 11, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

In the midst of all this unhinged talk in rightwing blogland about "Obama's pal the terrorist" William Ayers (who killed fewer people than Laura Bush, but let's ignore that for now), the Post COMPLETELY IGNORES McCain's more substantive ties to a REAL terrorist group, the Columbina AUC. One of his chief fundraisers and member of his Ohio Victory Team, Carl Lindner, gave $1.7 million to the AUC so that they could continue killing and kidnapping people. McCain also had ties to REAL central American terrorist groups in the eighties, but since they were killing nuns and other women and children in the name of helping corporations, right wingers consider them "freedom fighters".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/02/mccain-fundraiser-oversaw_n_110354.html

But the righwingers are desperate, so they are reliving the 60s just as they did in 2004, still convinced that our slaughtering 2,000,000 innocent southeast Asian civilians by aerial bombing must have been a Noble Cause (WE were doing it, so it *must* have been, right?), and any group that protested that must have been unAmerican.

Posted by: B2O2 | October 11, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Godhimself1,
Yeah, you must really like the "tolerance" of Jeremiah Wright spewing God Damn Amerikka?
Or the "tolerance" of Ayers, who thought mass murder is "acceptable"?

Obama is the antithesis of "tolerant".
He surrounds himself and associates with the least tolerant, most hate filled, venomous people one can imagine.

And those that choose to stand up to him have lies spread about them and a Secret Service agent on their door to intimidate and silence them.

So, by "tolerant" I guess you mean
"Get in Your Face?" tolerant.

There is no room in MY America for Obama.

I love freedom.
Freedom to speak without fear.
Freedom to make economic choices that are good for my family, without Obama reaching into my pocket and deciding for me.
Freedom to send my children to school to become literate, numerate, productive members of society and NOT to be indoctrinated into marxist hate.
Freedom to mark my ballot and have it not be diminished by widespread voter fraud and deceit.

YES to FREEDOM
NO to OBAMA

Posted by: PWCGal | October 11, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

http://tinyurl.com/3nqz3g

http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

We Will Not Be Silenced.
A film by Gigi Gaston.
About voter fraud during the 2008 Primaries.

The PUMAs didn't fall in love, and they AREN't falling in line.

They are getting the word out about WHO and WHAT OBAMA really is.

Obamabots can troll on comments pages all they want, posing as "moderates", but the real moderates recoil in horror at what the Obamamessiah represents.

Thank goodness for the strong, principled men and women of PUMA.

Posted by: PWCGal | October 11, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

My friends, John McCain doesn't just throw Obama under the bus to mob scenes, he also insults them as well. "My Fellow Prisoners?" He should have just stuck with "My Friends." The good news about Altzheimer's is that it gets worse slowly, the bad news is that it never stops getting worse. Check him calling you and me my fellow prisoners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYFm5kK4f1k&feature=related

Posted by: independant11 | October 11, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

(Sorry, forgot to address this earlier)

Socialists_for_Obama:


You are a bigot. The hate you spew is un-American and there is no place for that in this country. America stands for diversity and tolerance. If continue w/ your racist remarks, let me say on behalf of this country, you are not welcome in this great nation. You are un-American. Please leave.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 11, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

When Sen. Obama attempts to conceal his relationships and their importance, by making statements that require us to suspend our disbelief, I shudder. How could anyone stay in a church for 20 years, have his children baptized there, be married there, stand and clap, sit in the pews and still not understand the hatred and racism of Rev. Wright, his minister and spiritual mentor? How can anyone truly believe him?

How can anyone believe what the Senator says about the people he has distanced himself from?


· Rev. Wright - the former preacher for a church the young Obama needed to belong to in Chicago to further his career. That's not the Reverend Wright I knew was Obama's response. After Sen. Obama threw him under the bus, Rev. Wright noted that Obama was distancing himself because Obama is a politician and that's what a (Presidential) politician needs to do.

· Pastor Michael Pfleger - whose radical ideas and preaching are well known in Chicago went under the bus. Not the Pfleger I knew.

· Bernradine Dorn and William Ayers – Senator Obama sat on a board with Ayers, gave lectures with him, and went to his house for his blessings upon entering politics in Chicago. Ayer's and Dorn's group bombed the Pentagon. Obama has denied a close relationship. New evidence is now showing a much deeper relationship with William Ayers. (See Stanley Kurtz's work)

· And Tony Rezko. He raised money for Senator Obama's political career, gave him a sweetheart land deal, introduced him to influential people, and most likely taught Sen. Obama a lot about corrupt politics in Chicago. Rezko went under the bus after Obama minimized the relationship. There might be new information coming out about this relationship now that Mr. Rezko is apparently singing to the Feds in hopes of reducing his possible jail time.

So what I know is that Senator Obama learned his lessons about Chicago politics well. When it was time to throw someone, anyone, a church, a grandmother, under the bus to advance his political career; he did it with prose and ease.

Also what I know is that people in Chicago understand that politicians say and do the things that politicians believe they need to say and do. Rev. Wright's comment that Obama was distancing himself from himself because Obama is a politician and that's what a (Presidential) politician needs to do - clearly reflects this understanding.

So what is my fear? If Senator Barrack Obama finds himself in the White House, then it is entirely possible (likely) that all of the people mentioned above will be welcomed back into Senator Obama's life. The Senator said that he could no more disown Rev. Wright than he could disown the black community? This leads to my questions:

Will we see Rev. Wright, Pastor Michael Pfleger, Pentagon bombers Bernradine Dorn and William Ayers, Minister Louis Farrakhan and corrupt Tony Rezko and his associates, staying in the Lincoln bedroom?

Will ACORN, an organization involved in causing the current financial crisis and numerous instances of voter fraud, have a seat at his table?

And lastly, will the American Tax Payers be forced to endure the ultimate humiliation by being required to foot the bill for pampering and honoring Louis Farrakhan and the Brothers of Islam, for honoring Senator Obama's racist pastors, for honoring Pentagon bombers and terrorists, for honoring (and possibly pardoning) the Senator's corrupt contributor Tony Rezko and his associates? At this late date, it appears very possible. Therefore, it is imperative for voters to look closely at Sen. Obama's actions, companions and friends.

Those of us who have closely observed the Senator's campaign and the Media's support fully realize just how unfair the playing field is for Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin.

How much attention has been given to the ongoing federal lawsuit challenging Sen. Obama's eligibility to be President (Berg v. Obama)? The answer is very little.

How much attention has been given to Larry Sinclair's allegation's that he did cocaine and engaged in consensual sex with Sen. Obama in 1999? The answer is very little.

How many reporters have been dispatched to Chicago to vet Sen. Obama? The answer is very few.

How many reporters are looking into the new allegations concerning massive amounts of illegal campaign contributions coming into the Obama campaign? Not many.

How many reporters are seriously looking at Sen. Obama's connections to ACORN and the failure of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac? The answer once again is very few.

How many reporters are looking for people who can tell Obama's story? I'm not sure anyone can without damaging Senator Obama. The media is not looking for them.

Who are the people endorsing Sen. Obama? Many of those who want our destruction

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 11, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Okay, what in the WORLD is Obama doing in Pennsylvania!?!?! He's FIFTEEN points up there in every poll in the past two weeks.

Barack, get your skinny butt down to the beautiful mountain state just southwest of there. West Virginia is ripe for a visit. The ARG poll out two days ago shows you EIGHT POINTS UP. That place is YOURS for the taking. It is not a dead red state. People are hurting there. They are sick of Republican policies. The UMW union is behind you. Pennsylvania is a done deal, but West Virginia is *waiting* to hear from you. Drop by. Now. Please!!

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: B2O2 | October 11, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I hope you know sniffing glue is bad for you. But you probably don't because KKK idiots are certainly not the smartest of the bunch. So keep on sniffing and eating your possum pie but please stop diddling your children...that is just sick.

You are a bigot. The hate you spew is un-American and there is no place for that in this country. America stands for diversity and tolerance. If continue w/ your racist remarks, let me say on behalf of this country, you are not welcome in this great nation. You are un-American. Please leave.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 11, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse


While it is clear there are still bastions of hate in this country (mainly on the political right), we should not lose sight of one fact: We are on the precipice of electing an African-American to the highest office in the land. This speaks volumes of how far we have come as a nation. It should give us hope for the future. This a great time in our history.

While the lunatic fringe gets the press coverage, let's remember that it is the moderates on both sides and the independents that represent the true will of the people. With all our warts, we are still the greatest nation on earth.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Why do you people care if the campain is negative. Name a presidential campaign that wasn't negative.

You're scared. You're scared because you don't want the character issues about Osama exposed. He sure as hell won't answer them. Ayers, Ruzko, can't produce a birth certificate, has the support of radical extremists like Farakhan and Rev. Wright (hes' not a Rev., he's a racial biggot).

Who are the people supporting Obama??? The very same people who hate this country and want to see it's demise.

Osama Hussein has no answers for the economy, just more tax and spend. If he is able to tax the small businesses like he wants to, it will kill any growth left in the economy and push the country to the brink. He's never run a government bugjet before and certainly never run a government in a crisis like this. Don't believe me?? Pick up a copy of Consumer Reports this month. They did a side-by-side comparison of McCain and Obama's health care plan. Not one bit of detail in Osama's plan. NONE.

People get what they deserve. We've become a fat, lazy and complacent nation who feel everyone is entitled to something they don't deserve. You people have been brain washed by a slick talking idiot promising to save you. He can't do that. No one can. Only you can save yourself.

Anytime someone like Farakahn (our nation's enemy) calls Osama the "Messiah", which is blasphemy, that should make you think and wonder, "Why do our enemies want him in office"?? Because he's one of them. That's why.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Bodie:

You forget that the Democrats have had control of Congress since 2006.

"The most ethical Congress ever" according to Nancy Pelosi was what she promised.

HAHAHAHA (deep breath) HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

So, let's keep up the good work with destroying America with corruption, abuse of the democratic process, kickbacks, etc by voting in Obama and making it a Trifecta of Corruption!

Obama-Reid-Pelosi?

You must be dreaming. The American people aren't going to vote for that.

You can keep manipulating your polls, the MSM can keep manipulating the message, but the American people know what an Obama thugocracy would mean for them.

NOBAMA!!

Posted by: PWCGal | October 11, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Here's a post I came across afew weeks ago:
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Sorry, but the truth isn't "liberal." It's pretty funny to hear you right-wingers screech when things don't go your way, just like infants in the sandbox. And I don't need to be lectured on "loving America" by the same self-loving conservatives who opposed every advance in human rights in this country for the last 70 years. You have destroyed this economy every time you've gotten your hands on it, though Democrats always clean up your messes. You have killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocents around the world. You have beaten, dragged, lynched, and defamed everyone who looks different from you or disagrees with you.

I don't need your moral judgments on liberalism, because you have no ground from which to make them. You are morally, intellectually, and now financially bankrupt. It is you who hate the idea that America means dialogue and compromise--you want it all, all to yourselves.

I love my home and my country too much to cede it to the likes of you. It's not America I hate--it's your philosophy. America is more generous, decent, and kind than you have ever let it be, or would ever let it be.

That said, it's an American tradition to honor our fellow Americans' hatefulness as their "right." So I honor your right to continue hating everyone to the left of Hitler. But you will never, never, get my vote, and I will work as hard as I can to undermine your every effort, in every way I can, as long as I live.

Enjoy watching history move past you. It will whether you want it to or not.

Posted by: Mike A | September 3, 2008 1:50 AM
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Great comment from a truly enlightened American Patriot! Thank you, Mike.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 11, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Hardly ...it isn't over.
Even thug Obama can't stop the investigation into the Obama campaign and voter fraud.

The Obama campaign can't stop PUMAs going door to door and educating voters on what Obama is REALLY about.

The Obama campaign can't stop the documentary about Obama's thug tactics and fraud during the primary, the intimidation tactics, the threats.....

Nice crowd Obama runs with ...terrorist sympathizers, American hating wife and preacher, convicted felons as voter registration workers....

Yeah, that Obama, he's a *swell* guy.

Posted by: PWCGal | October 11, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

When Republicans don't like the way things go, they say "liberal Media" "Sexism" or that Democrats are "brainwashed"...these are the same IDIOTS that voted George W Bush TWICE!!!

Posted by: Bodiethebulldog | October 11, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Too late for the Anti Obama folks...say hello to your Next President Mr. Barack Hussein Obama Jr.!! Thank God it isn't John McSatan!

Posted by: Bodiethebulldog | October 11, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

lost in all this is how silly the attacks were to begin with (Davis saying the "arab" "terrorist" chants from supporters are due to Obama's tax plans is a close second). Obama's appointment to the board on which Ayers sat was approved by Leonore Annenberg, a staunch Republican conservative, widow of Walter Annenberg, Nixon's ambassador to Great Britian, and host of the Reagan vacations near Palm Springs California and friend of the Fords, and the elder Bushes. If there's a problem with Obama accepting that nomination from one of the grand old ladies of the Republican party, it would come as a surprise to her. McCain is insulting a legacy of the party with his silly attack on Obama's board membership in a conservative, republican, education fund named after the Annenbergs

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 11, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

HEY MANOLETE, you seem to like to use Hussein quite a bit..not sure what youR intention is, but do you have any idea what it means? or Barrack for that matter....look it up...never mind, you probably won't because you are just throwing out the same fear and hate as all the other Republicans, so I'll tell you...Barack means Blessed and Hussein means Good...so thank you for pointing out that Barack Obama is Good and Blessed!

Posted by: Bodiethebulldog | October 11, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

That sucking sound you hear is the Republican base.

McCain's such a nitwit.

Posted by: info42 | October 11, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is at the bottom of all the hate speech. I can hardly blame Sarah Palin for what she's gotten into, she's a neophyte. I look forward to the day when we are through with this election and can pay attention to the Department of Justice investigation that will put Karl Rove in jail and bar him from politics for life.

Posted by: ccairnes | October 11, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The McCain camp has catered to the American Nazi Party - disgracing the memory and honor of the Greatest Generation. ...............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/11/mccain-disgraces-greatest-generation/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 11, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

So when is Obama going to apologize for urging his supporters to "get in people's faces"??

Because they are, and it is unacceptable.

When is Obama going to step up and say that the free speech suppression tactics in Missouri are unacceptable?

I'm not signing up for the Obama Thugocracy.
He is a thug, and feels it is okay to suppress free speech, contrarian opinion and any and everything is an acceptable tactic, as long as it results in an Obama victory.

When is going to apologize for his supporters making up lies and reporting people to the secret service? Sounds like communism is already alive in the Obama campaign.

Obama and his supporters make me want to throw up. Obama, this isn't Kenya. Your heavy handed tactics are repulsive to the reasonable minded people.

NOBAMA.

Posted by: PWCGal | October 11, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHA...Republicans remind me of that one kid in class that can't control himself...when he get's mad, he screams and hits other kids.

Posted by: Bodiethebulldog | October 11, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The radical right is now showing it's true colors out of sheer desperation. McCain's shills will continue to sling mud. Obviously, McCain would not be well served by doing this himself. He doesn't want Obama to discuss his marital infidelities, his record at Annapolis, the Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac lobbyists on his campaign staff, etc. The neo-cons know that Obama has this election won, unless they can find a way to steal it again.

Posted by: thelastmoderate | October 11, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I am a 62-year-old white female, affluent (yes under Obama plan my family will pay more, and YES I feel that it is Patriotic to do so), educated and an independent voter. Senator's McCain attempt to correct an angry, hateful, ignorant constituent is laudable, not a retreat. I was undecided until Ms. Palin's choice for VP. Her views of the world, her definition of "US" vs. senator Obama, made it easy for me to decide. Yesterday. I mailed my absentee ballot and look forward to an Obama/Biden administration. My grandchildren deserve to grow up in a multiethnic society where and education and culture values are treasured.
I am a proud AMERICAN and despise the hatred that Ms. Palin so “eloquently” espouses.

Posted by: conservativewoman | October 11, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

John McCain lit the torches and passed out the pitchforks with his accusations and Sarh Palin fanned the flames with her red meat rhetoric ... and NOW McCain wants to put the genie back in the bottle? Watch this for a great compilation and comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wmAZUAMG8I

Posted by: Omyobama | October 11, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The majority of registered women voters are voting for Senators Obama and Biden. Senator Obama has broad support from diverse groups of women voters (income level, ethnic background, age, education, urban/suburban)and the most respected and proven women advocacy groups.

Superior pro-women and pro-family policies are part of the democratic platform. Both Obama and Biden and the groups that have endorsed them have a proven track record. Both Obama and Biden have voted FOR bills and programs to improve women's rights and lives. This is compared to the poor position of their opponents who even have policies that are hostile to women. Both McCain and Palin have failed to support pro-women's rights and pro-women bills consistently.

I am from a large extended family of strong women and we are all voting for Senator Obama. I am a 52 yr old working mother with my own business. His policies- which I've read them all- are superior for me. I live in a small town that is a suburb of a larger metropolitan area. I am college educated in the sciences and want the same for my daughter.

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 11, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I am not ready to give up on the America that I love and inspired so many. Change to what? The unknown? What is Barack Obama talking about? For that matter, who is he? Does he have the character required to lead this great nation? America is not broken, it just needs a tune-up and McCain is the man with the proven character, experience and compassion to put us on the right track again. Thank you.

Posted by: voice2 | October 11, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

My advice to Obama - here's how he should respond.

"I want to thank Senator McCain for his kind words about me and my family.

Harsh words can be spoken in tight races like this, but - not for the first time - John McCain shows us he can rise above party squabbling and work to bring Americans together.

I greatly admire Senator McCain's courage and his character. I'd like to try to follow his example and I thought, as a gesture ... we've both had some negative ads out there and I'd like to say to John ... let's do better, to give the American people the serious debate they want to hear, and pull those ads.

We'll pull ours starting right now. Because Senator McCain is right that when we attack character instead of attacking the issues, we're disrespecting the voter as well as each other. I'm with you Senator, if you're with me on this. Let's do it."

Voila! McCain's crafty plan is to kill the bad coverage by discouraging brownshirt behaviour at GOP meetings (good luck with that), all the while spreading the same rumours and character attacks through ads.

According to Univ of Wisconsin count, 34% of Obama's October ads have been negative attack ads, but 100% of McCain's have. So McCain has far more to lose by a negative-ad ceasefire.

He literally has no positive ads, because he has no positive message.

He'd be forced to refuse Obama's offer - and be revealed as the guy dragging the race downwards - or accept a de facto advertising moratorium.

Posted by: Bud0 | October 11, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I hope Manolete showed the same enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton as he/she shows for Todd Palin's wife.

Like most Kool-Aid drinkers he/she doesn't understand or want to accept American voters dump on Palin not for being a woman, but for being completely unqualified for the position she seeks.

We she how Palin is in action - throwing a hissy fit when someone doesn't do her bidding, then bringing her HUSBAND! to get down what she could not do. Yea, that's the leadership America is looking for!!

Posted by: haymarketbill | October 11, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a hypocrite. He sees his hateful tactics are backfiring and now he sees the need to turn out the fire he started himself! Guess what, his true colors have been exposed! How does Obama get called anti-American by guilt of association yet Palin allows her Husband, who is a seperatist from Alaskan Independence Party to have access and conduct his personal agenda from a Governor's office?

Posted by: bakarani | October 11, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

It is good that some lip service is given to the recognition of mob hysteria and prejudice. I'm not convinced it will have any effect unless McCain and Palin stop the hate and fear mongering. We'll see.

In the meantime, Senator Obama is ahead by 5-10% in the registered voter citizen polls and >60% in the electoral college potential win. He may even win by a landslide. In that case Mr. McCain will return to the Senate and Mrs. Palin will return to her Alaskan politics.

We hop the level of hysteria will come down on the McCain/Palin. However, Mrs. Pallin is still spreading bold-face lies and smears and invoking man's worse demons and mob behavior. I've lost any consideration of this woman as a viable leader either today or in the future. Worse, she is a hypocrite of the highest level being an evangelical Chrisitian. Her lack of a moral compass and her delight in meanness is not good for our nation. Mrs. Palin was found to break her state ethics rules and abused her authority in office (yesterday's ruling) and this for a petty familial vandetta. Mrs Palin like Mr. McCain do not have the intelligence, temperament, and character to hold high office. She should go home to Alaska and back to her skunk works.

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 11, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

American Heritage Dictionary definition of "TERRORISM":
1.The use of terror, violence and intimidation to achieve an end
2. Fear and subjugation produced by this
3. A system of government that uses terror to rule.
In a nutshell, American Heritage just defined the new dirty road in the failing McCain-Palin campaign strategy - - use terror and fear to incite the rabble to rise up against Obama, by smearing his character and seeding suspicion that he's an unpatriotic terrorist....in order to achieve their hoped "end", a revival of their erratic, disingenuous campaign.

Only problem? McCain has much closer, more direct, and more recent connections to terrorists who committed acts far worse than Ayers – with whom Obama had only a flimsy connection, as both Univ of Chicago Professors and supporters of education initiatives. Obama was 8 when Ayers was in his activist period. However, in the 80s, while in his 50’s, McCain personally funded a guerrilla group (the Contras) that engaged in terrorist acts, then last year expressed how "proud" he was of his relationship with an ex-felon who urged shooting law enforcement agents in the head (G. Gordon Liddy) and this year trumpeted his endorsement of a man who illegally provided weapons and money to terrorists; (Oliver North).
www.opednews.com/articles/John-McCain-s-Terrorist-Co-by-John-Wilson-081009-877.html

And Palin? "My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand" ; so said Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American extremist, partially funded by Islamic Iran, and founder of Alaskan Independence Party, the secessionist party Todd Palin belonged to for 7 years, and Sarah attended their meetings over the years and this year video-taped encouraging with "Keep up the good work and god bless you"!
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/print.html

While Obama has forcefully condemned the past actions of Ayers, hypocritically John McCain and Sarah Palin (whose vindictive nature and questionable personal ethics have been finally and publicly exposed by the bi-partisan Alaska Legislative Committee Report) have neither owned up to or denounced their terrorist friends. This makes their recent smear campaign even more reprehensible. The McCain-Palin team are too dishonest, unethical, secretive and scheming, with dark and dubious records, to be trusted to serve America - it would be Bush-Cheney again, but worse.

Posted by: TruthFairy | October 11, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Women must unite against the liberal media vicious, sexist, cruel, demeaning, contemptuous UN-AMERICAN, unfair, unprofessional, unrelenting and blatantly biased treatment against Vice President Sarah Palin.."
Wow Manolete, that's an impressive collection of adjectives this early on a weekend! Oh, thats right, I forgot you're a serial cut-and-paster. So now Palin IS vice president? Explain how it's sexist when Palin is interviewed by a woman (Couric) and exposes her frightful lack of knowledge and preparation to be vice president? Sexist? Me thinks thou doth protest too much!

Posted by: fnlorrain | October 11, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: reshas1 | October 11, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Barrack Obama is presidential in thought and in action. He has won the hearts and minds----and votes----of this country, even as the desperate extremists have tried to crucify him.

Waht mccain and palin forget in all of their lynch-mob rallies and in their hate fulled ads is the WE SAW THE DEBATES. WE SAW THE CONDUCT AND DEMEANOR OF BOTH MEN.

Obama has been steady and wise. Mccain and palin have been klan-like in their hate, erratic, and in palin's case, unethical.

WE SEE IT CLEARLY, AND ALL OF THIS SMEAR DOES NOT WORK. At the debates, we saw a stronger Obama and a stronger Biden.

and all of the hate and fearmongering and intimidation and violence by mccain and palin will not force us into voting for them. We will not be beaten into submission by the exttemist radicals of the GOP.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 11, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Women of America Unite!
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!

Women must unite against the liberal media vicious, sexist, cruel, demeaning, contemptuous UN-AMERICAN, unfair, unprofessional, unrelenting and blatantly biased treatment against Vice President Sarah Palin and acting blatantly in favor of Barack Hussein Obama during this unprecedented historic quest for the presidency!

Barack Hussein Obama claims a mightier throne, one forged in liberal ideals of justice and equality and hope, BUT he has benefited mightily from sexism in this campaign, and has remained silent. Obama supporters seem very happy with the sexist way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by Sarah Palin, and many believe that most of the "venom" in the campaign is coming from supporters of Obama.

Women of America Unite in this defining moment in American history. To ensure we can grow up from the male dominated government that has caused many of the problems our country is facing; to a country where men and women are equal partners in governance.

Women of America Unite
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!
VOTE for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 11, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If this election has proven anything it has proven that you have to get information from sources outside of the partisan arena. In the area of the economy I will give one and on the crisis I will give another.

crisis:
: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0fa9d526-8eec-11dd-946c-0000779fd18c.html
economy:
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127

I am an ordinary citizen with no financial training who has been aware of this potential problem for years. All of the opinions I express have been gleaned from reading sources that are not politically leaning.

From here going forward we the citizens need to insist that the government is not overrun with industry lobbyists. The way this financial crisis has been handled has unfortunately not very well. Mr Paulson hired Morgan Stanley to assist in crisis management. This company had its own problems in the financial environment because it was one of the participants that created it and it had to extricate itself from this mess. Their plan was too focused the mortgage security market but not for the total problem.

The logical choice for an advisor would have been someone who was predicting this crisis would occur for it would be that person who would have a handle on what needs to be done to extricate us from the situation. He would not be personally caught up in the problem because he would have avoided it and his advice would be less biased. I have given a reference for one such person.

http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/10/08/recession-depression-keynes-oped-cx_nr_1009roubini.html

My point is that by going outside the industry we can get a perspective that is not biased and can take in the needs of all members of the community including ordinary citizens. Mr Paulson with his advisors were not able to do that and they wasted valuable time. They were too concerned with the problems of the market participants and not nearly as concerned about the banks and small businesses that were suffering.

Based on stock market behavior namely the fact that the market low of 2002 and 2003 was not exceeded to the downside I believe that there is still time to rescue this economy.

Going forward we are going to be in need of more regulation. In order for that regulation to be instituted and administered effectively it is going to require that the people in charge not be affiliated with the industry being regulated. We should do that with the FDA and elsewhere as well. It is therefore important that the framework of the next administration not be laden with lobbyists. That is the lesson we should learn from this crisis.


Posted by: Gator-ron | October 11, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

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