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Obama Warns Against McCain 'Smear' Tactics

By Perry Bacon Jr.
ASHEVILLE, N.C. -- Sen. Barack Obama said today that, while his rival John McCain seeks to "distract you with smears" and "Swift Boat-style attacks" in the last weeks of the campaign, he would keep focused on economic issues and what he described as McCain's shortcomings.

"Senator McCain's campaign has announced that they plan to turn the page on the discussion about our economy and spend the final weeks of this campaign launching Swift Boat-style attacks on me," Obama told a crowd of thousands on the football field of Asheville High School. "Senator McCain and his operatives are gambling that he can distract you with smears rather than talk to you about substance. ... I want you to know that I'm going to keep on talking about issues that matter."

The Democratic nominee was reacting to reports of McCain's strategy telegraphed by his aides, as well as remarks Friday from Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

The Republican vice presidential nominee accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists," a reference to his association with William Ayers, who has confessed to domestic bombings as a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground. Ayers and Obama are not close and have not spoken in recent years, but they once served together on a nonprofit board that distributed educational grants in Chicago. Ayers hosted a gathering for Obama when he was running for the state Senate in Illinois a decade ago.

Obama did not refer specifically to Palin's remarks, nor did he detail exactly what the "smears" against him by McCain would be.

Tucker Bounds, a McCain spokesman, defended his campaign's strategy.

"Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist or had a convicted felon help them buy their house, because those aren't smears. Those are true facts about Barack Obama," Bounds said, alluding to Ayers and Antoin Rezko, a real estate developer who was once a close ally of Obama and who bought property from the Illinois senator. Rezko was convicted earlier this year of several counts of bribery and other charges.

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If you take the Obama campaign at its word, the contention that there is a relationship between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama is “phony,” “tenuous,” a “stretch.” In Obama’s own words, Ayers was “just a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” certainly not a long time close political ally.

But a review of just the publicly known highlights of the Ayers-Obama relationship suggests a twenty year pattern of connections between the two.
At the heart of this “Top Ten” list is the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Ayers founded and Obama and Ayers co-chaired for five years, raising and spending at least $110 million in an effort to bolster a “radical” (Ayers’ word) reform program in the Chicago Public Schools from 1994 to 2001.
1) Out of the Woods:


The Woods Fund financed the hiring of Obama in 1985 by the Developing Communities Project.
According to The Nation: “The Woods Fund, in many ways, is responsible for helping start Obama as an organizer and shaping his political identity. In 1985 the foundation gave a $25,000 grant to the Developing Communities Project (aka the “DCP”), which hired Obama, at 24, as an organizer on Chicago’s economically depressed South Side.”


The Woods Fund was founded by the Woods family which owned the Illinois-based Sahara Coal Company, a major supplier of coal from its mines to major Illinois power companies. Commonwealth Edison, the giant Chicago-based electric power company was headed by Thomas Ayers, father of Bill Ayers.
Obama served on the board of the Woods Fund from 1993 until 2002. Bill Ayers joined the board of the Fund in 1999 and continues to serve on the board today. He chaired the board for two years during that time.
2) Know your ABCs:


Obama’s DCP supported radical school reform project together with Bill Ayers.
In 1987 in the wake of a controversial strike by the Chicago Teachers’ Union, the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools, or ABCs, was formed to lobby for a new Illinois law that would mandate the establishment of a new power center in Chicago public schools. Local school councils would be established to watchdog union teachers and their principals and they would have the power to fire principals at will.
Bill Ayers helped organize the ABCs group, was its contact person and later its chair. Barack Obama worked on school reform efforts for the DCP at that time and the DCP was a member of the ABCs. Chicago United, a business group established by Tom Ayers, Bill’s father, was also a member of the ABCs.
The Woods Fund also provided additional financial support to the DCP in 1988 to support its school reform efforts. A program officer of the Woods Fund at the time was Ken Rolling who would later be hired by Bill Ayers and Barack Obama as Executive Director of the $110 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
3) Putting on the White Shoe:


Obama and Dohrn worked for elite law firm Sidley and Austin

After surfacing from the Weather Underground in 1980 Bernardine Dohrn, wife of Bill Ayers, pled guilty to criminal charges related to the violent Days of Rage in Chicago in 1969 and received three years probation. She later refused to testify in front of a grand jury convened to investigate a bank robbery carried out by former comrades of Dohrn’s from the Weather Underground. Currently a clinical faculty member at Northwestern University School of Law, she told the New York Times that she thought grand juries were “illegal” and “coercive.” She served seven months in jail.
Because of the criminal convictions Dohrn, who received a law degree from the University of Chicago in 1967, was refused admission to the New York bar. Nonetheless, she was hired as a legal clerk by Sidley and Austin, a major Chicago law firm, in their New York office in 1984. Howard Trienens, then managing partner of the firm, recently told the Chicago Tribune that he arranged the hiring of Dohrn as a favor to his fellow Northwestern University trustee and classmate, Tom Ayers. Tom Ayers’ firm, Commonwealth Edison, has used Sidley as outside counsel for many years. She later worked in their Chicago office when she and Bill Ayers moved back to Chicago in 1987. She left Sidley in 1988.
Barack Obama left Chicago in the fall of 1988 to attend Harvard Law School. In the summer after his first year at Harvard he became an associate in the Chicago office of Sidley and Austin.
4) A hard rock miner:

Chicago lefty lawyer and Dohrn classmate Judson Miner hires Barack Obama out of Harvard.
Barack Obama returned to Harvard after his summer at Sidley and Austin in the fall of 1989. That fall he was elected the president of the Harvard Law Review, the first black person to hold the position. Although Obama could have returned to Sidley or perhaps clerked for the United States Supreme Court, a natural step for Law Review officers, he chose instead to work for Judson Miner, a partner in a small civil rights law firm in Chicago. Miner had been counsel to Chicago’s late black mayor, Harold Washington. Miner was also classmates with Bernardine Dohrn at the University of Chicago law school in 1967 where they were both were involved in anti-war activity.
5) Rising to the Challenge:


Ayers is named Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge founded by Bill Ayers
In late 1993, Bill Ayers, now an associate professor of education at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus, organized a team to put together a grant proposal to secure nearly $50 million from the Annenberg Challenge. The money was to be used by Ayers and co. to bolster the radical Local School Councils reform project that Ayers and Obama had championed back in 1988 through the ABCs.
The grant application was successful and in early 1995 Barack Obama was named chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers was named co-chair of the Challenge’s operative and strategic body, the Chicago School Reform Collaborative. Ayers and Obama work together for the next five years on raising an additional $60 million in matching money from local foundations and corporations and using the money to intervene in the governance of the Chicago public schools.
The Challenge through a multi-million dollar Leadership Development Initiative intervened in the School Council elections in the middle of what was known as the Chicago School Wars. At the same time Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was pushing, successfully, to gut the power of the Councils.

6) In the Palmer of his hand:


Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn host Obama’s state senate kick-off in their Hyde Park home
In the fall of 1995 Barack Obama began his first electoral campaign to replace State Senator Alice Palmer who was attempting to run for Congress. Palmer accompanied Obama to the Hyde Park home of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn for an introduction of Obama to the Hyde Park left. Unnamed Obama campaign aides told the New York Times that this was the first time that Obama met Ayers and Dohrn, part of the campaign’s effort to minimize the relationship between their candidate and the two authoritarian leftists. Of course that was wrong, as clearly Obama and Ayers had already met well before this “meet and greet.”
7) The “lost years”: Ayers and Obama to the rescue of troubled youth

In 1997 Bill Ayers published a book that criticized the treatment of juvenile defendants in the criminal justice system including the practice in some states of trying these individuals as adults. Barack Obama praised the book as a “searing and timely account” in the Chicago Tribune.
In late 1997 and 1998 a bill to impose “blended” sentencing on certain juvenile offenders was proposed in the Illinois legislature where Obama was now a state senator, representing the south side Chicago district that included Ayers and Dohrn’s Hyde Park neighborhood. The bill would have allowed parallel juvenile and adult sentences with the adult sentence held as a threat to be imposed if serious offenders violated terms of their juvenile conviction.
Obama, Dohrn and Ayers opposed the bill. Michelle Obama, now working at the University of Chicago in Hyde Park, organized a panel discussion there in late 1997 as the new bill was gaining momentum, to discuss Ayers’ book. Barack Obama and Ayers were on the panel and Obama was described in the event’s press release as ”working to block proposed legislation that would throw more juvenile offenders into the adult system.”
The “R” word:


Obama advisor promotes a reparations approach to education reform; Ayers endorses it
In 2006 Professor Gloria Ladson-Billings of the University of Wisconsin, the then president of the American Education Research Association (AERA), the nation’s leading School of Education professional association, proposed a new policy to tackle the problems of America’s public schools: the repayment of centuries of “education debt” that allegedly is owed to people of color as a result of slavery and discrimination. She rooted the concept in the literature supporting reparations for slavery.
In 2007 Linda Darling-Hammond, a prominent and respected professor at the Stanford University School of Education, endorsed the same idea in an article in The Nation. In late 2007 Darling-Hammond was named an education advisor to the Obama campaign. In February 2008 Darling-Hammond issued a blueprint for education reform by the next President that set as its #1 priority the repayment of the “education debt,” as proposed originally by Ladson-Billings.
Bill Ayers has endorsed the idea of repayment of the “education debt.” Ayers is now a Vice President-elect (Division B: Curriculum Studies) of the AERA.
A chapter called “Education for Democracy” by Darling-Hammond appeared in a volume co-edited by Ayers called A Light in Dark Times. A chapter co-authored by Ladson-Billings on “racing justice” appeared in a book co-edited by Ayers called Teaching for Social Justice: A Democracy and Education Reader. Ladson-Billings wrote the foreword to Ayers’ book, To Teach: The Journey of a Teacher. Ayers and Ladson-Billings are co-editors of City Kids, City Schools: More Reports from the Front Row just published. Ladson-Billings contributed a chapter in a book edited by Bill Ayers, Rick Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and Jesse L. Jackson called Zero Tolerance: Resisting the Drive for Punishment published in 2001.
More fundamentally, Bill Ayers introduced the concept of “white supremacy” as America’s original sin within the new left group SDS as part of his effort, together with his future wife Bernardine Dohrn, to hijack the student-led antiwar movement for his still-to-come terrorist actions as a leader of the Weather Underground.

Ayers argues that the fundamental issue in American life is “white skin privilege” - that white Americans benefit from being white at the expense of blacks.

Ayers himself wrote on his website in a January 19, 2008 essay on school reform:

“The dominant narrative in contemporary school reform is once again focused on exclusion and disadvantage, race and class, black and white. ‘Across the US,’ the National Governor’s Association declared in 2005, ‘a gap in academic achievement persists between minority and disadvantaged students and their white counterparts.’ This is the commonly referenced and popularly understood ‘racial achievement gap,’ and it drives education policy at every level. Interestingly, whether heartfelt or self-satisfied, the narrative never mentions the monster in the room: white supremacy….Gloria Ladson-Billings upends all of this with an elegant reversal: there is no achievement gap, she argues, but actually a glancing reflection of something deeper and more profound—America has a profound education debt. The educational inequities that began with the annihilation of native peoples and the enslavement of Africans, the conquest of the continent and the importation of both free labor and serfs, transformed into apartheid education, something anemic, inferior, inadequate, and oppressive. Over decades and centuries the debt has accumulated and is passed from generation to generation, and it continues to grow and pile up.”

Obama has several times during the campaign suggested that the kind of reparations he is for is increased spending on education.
9) A toast to the maoist:


Bill Ayers long time comrade Mike Klonsky blogs for Obama
One of Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dohrn’s comrades in the late 60s Students for a Democratic Society was Mike Klonsky. When Dohrn and Ayers moved in one direction toward the violent tactics of the Weather Underground, Klonsky, in the wake of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, dropped the pro-Russian communist politics of his parents and became a committed Maoist. As leader of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) in 1977 he travelled to Beijing and was toasted by the senior Beijing leadership.
When the crazy left of the 70s died in the 80s, Klonsky went to graduate school in education in Florida and then moved to Chicago. While driving a cab there he was recruited by his old friend Bill Ayers to head up a new project called the Small Schools Workshop in 1991. It’s offices were in the Department of Education building at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus where Ayers taught. In 1995 the newly formed Chicago Annenberg Challenge headed by Ayers and Obama gave the Workshop a grant of $175,000. The Annenberg Challenge also had its office space in the same building as Ayers Department and the Workshop, rent free courtesy of the University.
In 2008 Klonsky ran a blog on the official Obama campaign website on education policy and “social justice” teaching. When discussion of the Klonsky blog emerged in the blogosphere, it was promptly shut down by the campaign and all of the posts made by Klonsky were removed from the site.

10) The Great Debate: George v. Barack

There is little publicly available information on the precise relationship between Obama and Ayers today. I have been told by Linda Darling-Hammond that Ayers does not have any role in the campaign, although I do wonder how Ayers’ buddy Mike Klonsky could blog on the Obama website unless Ayers had a hand in it. Obama himself did not exactly eliminate any doubts on this score when asked about his relationship with Ayers during a debate with Hilary Clinton by George Stephanopoulos of ABC News.
Obama said that Ayers was a professor of English (not Education) and was just a guy who lives in his neighborhood. Well, clearly not “just,” as we now know. But then Obama said that he does not exchange ideas with Ayers “on a regular basis.” Whatever that is supposed to mean (they debate the future of the world on an “irregular basis”?) it certainly fails to put the issue to rest.

Posted by: mharwick | October 9, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

This is in response to Tyrone Jones, Sr. 10/6 post. Obama has not at all forgotten the people who were instrumental in getting him to him where he is. He often speaks of the sacrifices his mother and grandparents made in order to give him the best schooling and exposure. He speaks very highly of them and their support for him through the tough years. He is not ungrateful to anyone who has contributed to his success - including the opportunity afforded to him in this Country -despite some objections of some intolerant die-hards. Don't mistake his confidence for arrogance. He is a gentleman with training, education and integrity. Those are all qualites that are commendable - and imitate-able. Don't reject him, Mr. Jones, respect and admire him. It doesn't diminish you to do that. It raises you up.

Posted by: jputter40 | October 8, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama was 8 years old when Ayers and his wife where charged but never convicted. His anti-war philosophy, although very radical at the time was unpopular but he was not involved in blowing up toilets in federal buildings himself. Ayers was voted as Chicago’s citizen of the year for his work on teaching school children peace and funding raising for impoverish communities in need of school supplies. I think it’s safe to say if he is a terrorist in this day and age, he’d be in Guantanamo right now.

However, the Palins have no excuse. I’m sure they wouldn’t like voters seeing video of Todd Palin’s mentor and peer member Joe Vogler founder of AIP and Governor Palin’s warm welcome to the AIP into her Governorship in her own words captured on news archives along with Vogler in his own words here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYqRfp6-x8

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

"And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."-Joe Vogler.

Posted by: RepublicanAlternative | October 7, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I come from a family of conservatives (myself an independent moderate conservative the rest are older Republicans who worked on the Nixon campaign team in the 60's and are now NeoCons) we differ greatly on several subjects but agree on Palin, she is a liability to McCain and although they are loyal towards McCain (being typical NeoCons) I'm going with Obama Biden. McCain lost my respect long ago with his Low Road Express. Palin is a vacuous politician who's agenda is purely for the good of her and her first dude, Todd. She failed to promote McCain in the debates and she continues to fail him. But McCain failed America when he chose her.

Posted by: RepublicanAlternative | October 7, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Grrrr.. It's just so painful to hear these people - it just get's you all upset inside knowing that these republicans are trying to get away with murder here with all their deceptions...If the American people are digesting this, I guess we are truly stupid.

http://politicaladattacks.blogspot.com/

Posted by: masterchief11111 | October 6, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

McCain's New Strategy:

SMEAR BABY SMEAR!

This is exactly the type of totally irrelevant politics that most people hate...

Posted by: jelow | October 6, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm Voting Democrat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPG25Wf0aa4

VerticalBlu Film Company's latest short film "I'm Voting Democrat" arrives just in time for this years 2008 Presidential Election. A response to another AZ local film company's "I'm Voting Republican", VerticalBlu proves that all is fair in politics.

This year's election is one of the most important elections of our times and it is up to each independent voter to become informed about the issues and stances on both sides of the presidential ticket.

Posted by: verticalblu | October 6, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to popoular belief, Saying G.D. is not taking the Lord's name in vain. If you read the commandment in its context, taking the Lord's name in vain is calling yourself a Christian and acting like the rest of the worldly heathen, people like the self righteous money mongers of the republican party.

The love of money is the root of all evil, and the free market cash cow is today's golden calf.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 6, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse


William Kristol's NY Times editorial exemplifies the reason why today's neocons are going down the tubes. As the economy crashes under Republican deregulation, Kristol parrots Palin's garbage attacks against Obama. Palin has replaced Ann Coulter as the Queen of Mean, cheered on by the neocons who love to hate.

A change in tide for conservatives would require that they start thinking for themselves, instead of regurgitating the divisive talking points of the day.

Posted by: bamccampbell | October 6, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Considering Sarah Palin just GD-ed the majority of American women who are smart enough to know that a woman that would allow another woman to suffer through the pregnancy of her rapist or father is not in our best interest...Maybe Rev. Wright GD-ing an American government that would support these type of wackos wasn't so far off base.

Posted by: Beka13 | October 6, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a fugitive running from himself, from his past. I can not respect a man who disowns everyone he has ever known just to feather his own nest and achieve his selfish ambitions. Obama has thrown all his previous pals under the bus folks....to include his own grandmother! All these people who were in his life were there for him and help him to climb the ladder of his ambitions. Now he says, "I really don't know them, I had nothing to do with them etc.". Who does he thinks he is kidding? Obama is ambition-driven and has proven that he is all about self.

Posted by: TyroneJonessr | October 6, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Four years of John Mc Cain
Watch as the country continues to wane

Sara Palin with John as her proctor
If that doesn't help she can call her Witch Doctor

He will drive the evil from the house
fortunately by getting rid of Sara and the louse.

Posted by: ffny68 | October 6, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps the McCain campaign will call an end to this smear tactic as they did in the past:

"The smearing . . . must end. The allegations . . . are categorically false. It is a vicious lie," said McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt. "The efforts . . . to destroy this fine and accomplished public servant are a disgrace. The American people will reject it."

Anyone willing to hold their breath waiting for Mr. Schmidt to speak out against this smear?

Not me, Republicans have shown repeatedly that they believe they are above some laws and rules and can selectively enforce others.

One good thing about the recent Palin lie - it encouraged me to donate again to the Obama/Biden campaign.

Posted by: Knowling | October 6, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

News flash - this is NOT judgment to lead.Obama is either too naive, stupid or dangerous to lead.It is above his pay grade. No wonder Obama wants to "turn the page".


Posted by: jackiean

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Actually, Jackiean, its the McCain campaign whose tactic is to, "turn the page".

Reading is so very fundamental...

Posted by: kban495 | October 6, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Obama should have stayed above it all instead of putting the ad out on Keating because he is showing that he doesn't practice what he preaches. If you are going to get down in the gutter yourself then you can't complain.

Posted by: sque1 | October 6, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

1) Take it out of context all you want. It simply shows how ignorant you are and believe the American people are. By the way, many white evangelical preachers say exactly the same thing either directly or indirectly.

2)Rezco wasn't convicted of anything when Obama had business dealings with him. How many other people did Rezko have business transactions with over the period in question? Most of them were legitimate but by your definition all of those people are guilty by association too.

3)The contributions from individuals who worked for Freddie or Fannie is where the trail to the money Obama received. McCain on the other hand got PAC money which wasn't included in the cited figures. All it proves is McCain didn't get much in the way of contributions from individuals who worked for Freddie and Fannie.

4) What a non issue. Ayers is Ayers and Obama is Obama. To suggest somehow Obama in later life all of a sudden after working with Ayres on a couple of nonprofit projects and because they live in the same neighborhood is ludicrous.

People are loosing their jobs, loosing their retirement 401Ks, we have a huge deficit, etc., from the bankrupt policies of the past eight years and this is all the Palin-McCain campaign can off? Smears? This country needs real solutions and smart people to come up with those solutions. Obviously it isn't the Palin-McCain campaign since all they have is exactly the same as Bush with a few window dressings. This economy is going to get much worse before it gets better.

Stop the smears and run on REAL issues.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 6, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Obama is desperate to get the focus off his failed judgment.
1) Rev. Wright... he expects us to believe he just didn't know about the Rev's G-D America attitude
2)Rezco.... Obama just didn't know about him either.
3)Raines... Obama wants us look at McCain's ties to Freddie&Fannie but not at the fact Obama was #3 in receiving money from Fanny and Freddie under Raines.
4) NOW It's Bill Ayers... AND we are also supposed to believe that since Ayers bombed our country when Obama was 8 years old we should just forget about Obama's ties with him as an adult.

Obama would also like us to ignore the fact that on September 11, 2001 Bill Ayers said”I don’t regret setting bombs,” - ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”

News flash - this is NOT judgment to lead.Obama is either too naive, stupid or dangerous to lead.It is above his pay grade. No wonder Obama wants to "turn the page".

Posted by: jackiean | October 6, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for the speliing errors in the Palin pals around with traitors post

Posted by: ahro1 | October 6, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

PALIN PALS AROUND WITH TRAITORS -- THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY.

SPEAKING AT THEIR CONVENTION, SHE WISHED THEM WEL IN THEIR DISAVOWEL OF ALLEGINACE TO THE UNITED STATES.

Posted by: ahro1 | October 6, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has been told that Osama bin Laden is a terrorist who lives on planet Earth, yet SHE CONTINUES TO LIVE ON THE SAME PLANET AS OSAMA BIN LADEN! Ge golly, I'm obviously not an Alaska insider, cozying up to Russia, but I don't understand why she insists upon continuing to live with terrorists and communists.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 6, 2008 6:16 AM | Report abuse

When can we expect to see reporting on the fact that both Palin and McCain appear to be tax cheats?

It's bad enough that Palin paid herself to stay at home and billed the people of Alaska for her family's first class travel; the least she could do is pay taxes on the income.

And it's bad enough that McCain is an inveterate gambler; the least he could do is pay taxes on his winnings.

Or is giving yourself a personal tax cut just part of being a "maverick," which gets you a pass with the WaPo?

Posted by: ched | October 6, 2008 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Attn: Perry Bacon, Jr

Why do you folks at The Washington Post write statements as if you have fully investigated the facts and assure all readers what you report is fact.

Take your statement here for example.

"...Ayers and Obama are not close and have not spoken in recent years..."

Where did you get this?
What did you do to verify this as fact?

Did you personally check with Obama or Ayers. (Other media tells us neither will speak on the subject.)

Did you speak to others on the boards, mutual friends, neighbors, etc. ??

Why is it when Obama or his supporters write or say somethng, anything--the media simply passes it on as an unquestionable fact?

Posted by: chazz60 | October 6, 2008 5:19 AM | Report abuse

Whenever I see these shrill and unhinged attacks from some of the McCain supporters posted here, I think they must be pretty worried. They can read the polls too.

They're acting kind of desperate. They appear full of rage and anger. That isn't a good way to influence other voters.

When I see Obama attacked in such a vicious way, it actually makes me less likely to vote for McCain. Most of us don't want to be associated with these types.

Some of these Obama haters are no different than the crazies that compared Bush to Hitler or Cheney to a common criminal.

People who are confident and secure don't lash out and use slander against their opponents. They stick to the issues. Such personal attacks smell of panic and fear of losing. Most voters don't want to be a part of that.

Posted by: snesich | October 6, 2008 3:53 AM | Report abuse

Obama may prove to be an extremist who destroys the average American worker, then again, he may prove to be the best politician to come out of Illinois. Check us out, Illinois is a mess, more corrupt than Wall Street, and the Illinois good old boys have squandered hundreds of millions of dollars in teachers’ retirement funds. These guys can't wait to get their hand on the US Treasury and the Social Security Fund.

Posted by: lbbob46 | October 6, 2008 3:44 AM | Report abuse

Don't believe Republican LIES, FABRICATIONS and MISREPRESENTATIONS of Obama and his policies.

McBush and the Pitbull know they cannot make legitimate attacks on Obama, so what do they do? They stoop so low into the gutter and MAKE UP STUFF about him to try to instill fear into people and to deflect attention from their HOPELESS CALAMITY of a campaign and lack of true plans, policies and ideas about reform.

FACTS ABOUT OBAMA:
1. He is a Harvard law professor and constitutional law expert, with a Juris Doctor of Law degree and is involved in many senate committees such as foreign affairs, homeland security, veterans affairs, health, education and family (he has the qualifications and experince)

2. He is patriotic and only cares about America and the interests of its people

3. He is not and has never been a Muslim

4. He is not and has never been associated with terrorists (he was only 8 years old at the time of the Ayers scandal!!!!)

5. He has never been to a "madrassa"

6. He is not planted by Osama Bin Laden to infiltrate America (don't laugh, some idiots really believe this!)

VOTE OBAMA, not McBush

Posted by: kbuckingham777 | October 6, 2008 3:07 AM | Report abuse

McCain has wrapped himself in a veil of lies. The McCain of 2000 that many admired is deceased and reborn is the McCain of 2008 who is a puppet of the Rove team of dirty politics. They picked Palin for him and made a mockery of this election. McCain is struggling to appear on the side of the people. His record demonstrates that he is not. He supports permanent tax cuts for the extremely wealthy, tax cuts for major corporations even when they ship jobs overseas, and further tax payer support of Big Oil in a era of record oil profits. His latter-day populism is as cynical as his choice of Sarah Palin who can't see Wall St. from Alaska. McCain is running hard from his 26 year legislative legacy, his anti-oversight financial guru, Phil Gramm and from his total acceptance of Bushonomics over the past eight years. His message changes daily. How can anyone have confidence in his ad hoc policies? The vast majority of criticism of Obama is mindless hate speech. These are the people from whom McCain draws his most fervent support. Doesn't that say it all?

Posted by: jeffl240 | October 6, 2008 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Well,well,well,Geezer and Gidget,our two "Change Agents" have run out of ideas,and can not out run their Republican legacy of failure. Time for Karl Rove. Geezer was more than eight years old when he was taking bribes and favors from Keating. Geezers Stepford Wife's father was a convicted crook. Obama's former preacher may be a little nuts,but Gidgets Witch Doctor is special. Geezer's Jesus Freak Preacher supporters early in the campaign match Rev Wright. You can match nutcase for nutcase,and the Republicans win hands down.
As for the Ford family of candidates;"Maverick"is a Model "T" and a dupe of the Lincoln Continental Set.

Posted by: jeromejmarkiewicz | October 6, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Well,well,well,Geezer and Gidget,our two "Change Agents" have run out of ideas,and can not out run their Republican legacy of failure. Time for Karl Rove. Geezer was more than eight years old when he was taking bribes and favors from Keating. Geezers Stepford Wife's father was a convicted crook. Obama's former preacher may be a little nuts,but Gidgets Witch Doctor is special. Geezer's Jesus Freak Preacher supporters early in the campaign match Rev Wright. You can match nutcase for nutcase,and the Republicans win hands down.
As for the Ford family of candidates;"Maverick"is a Model "T" and a dupe of the Lincoln Continental Set.

Posted by: jeromejmarkiewicz | October 6, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Shall we now speak of the Keating 5 and the secessionist movement in Alaska?

Glass houses and first stones!!!

Posted by: genalex | October 6, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Unable to compete on real issues of consequence, especially economic issues and McCain's support of the bulk of the agenda of Presidential failure George Bush, some Republicans now want to turn to slimeballing Obama.

Those who wish to challenge Obama's associations should remember the name of that national disgrace, convicted felon Charles Keating.

The country would be best served by a debate about real issues, such as how the two candidates plan to preserve the nation's middle class and overcome the current economic slowdown which will soon officially slide into recession. But if the right-wing Rove proteges running the Republican Presidential campaign prefer to avoid real issues to focus on the politics of slime, rest assured Charles Keating's name will be tied to McCain just as surely as the Bush record is. And while some of the connections between Obama and the likes of W.Ayers and T.Rezko may be rather tenuous, there is a considerable public record of McCain's involvement with the criminal Keating, making that a line more likely to stick. If they go through with this they will wake up on November 5, having gotten what they deserve: An Obama Presidency, a 60+ Democratic Senate majority, and more than 250 Democrats in the House.

And with so many moderate Republicans fading from the scene due to retirements and defeat, the remaining Republican members of Congress, especially in the House, will be a more partisan and narrowly ideological group as the Republican Party becomes so far right that it effectively cedes the center ground to Democrats. The irony is that while the remaining Republicans in Washington will likely comprise a narrower slice of the idelogical spectrum, there are many voters throughout the nation who are essentially moderate Republicans, or who are relatively moderate independents for whom the moderate Republican is probably the preferred type of candidate.

Obama is likely to pursue an Administration that will include several Republican appointments and will attempt to find areas of agreement with Republicans on Capitol Hill, especially in the Senate. It would not be surprising, for example, if he asked Defense Secretary Gates to stay on, or appointed a Republican to that Cabinet post. He may ask a Republican like Richard Lugar or Chuck Hagel to join his Administration in some capacity. His White House staff is likely to be heavy on old legislative hands looking to work in a bipartisan manner, with Tom Daschle likely as Chief of Staff. It would not be surprising to see a Republican legislator or former legislator on the staff, whether that be a former Congressman, or someone from the Illinois State Senate. If Obama is able to put together winning centrist/liberal coalitions on Capitol Hill to tackle some tough national problems, it would not be at all surprising to see Democrats' surging Party ID advantage surge even further.

By turning to the politics of slime, Republicans generally, and the McCain campaign specifically, run the risk of doing great damage to themselves, both in this election and longer-term. Are they too dumb to realize this?

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 6, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Obama is the antichrist. That is a fact.

Posted by: Jake_D | October 6, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

...Posted by: rfborjal | October 6, 2008 1:32 AM
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WOW - Did You Hit The Nail On The Head!

Perefectly stated...and I was very pleased to see that you addressed, THE HYPOCRITES"!

Posted by: OICUR2 | October 6, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

"I've heard a lot about Obama's ties to questionable characters, but very little about his associations with people who one would think he would wish to exploit in defense of his own character." - wileynash

Are we the creatures of our friends or associates? Are the sins of my friends also my sins? Where is the logic in all this?

I would like to think that I am my own man. I would like to think that I am what I am because of my own personal acts and decisions and not because of the acts and decisions of others. I would like to think that I am what I make of myself and not what others make of me.

Can I work on something good with a person who has sinned, even if that person has not repented for his sins? Of course, I can. Does that make me complicit in his past sins? Of course not.

OK, so Barack Obama worked with Bill Ayers, who made some mistakes when Obama was an 8-year old, on a project distributing educational grants in Chicago. Does that make Obama guilty of Ayers' past mistakes?

Have Americans become an intolerant and unforgiving people? Do they no longer recognize the value of "turning the page" for the better? I'm not defending Ayers' past mistakes, but here's someone who was a "terrorist" but is now devoting his life to the cause of education in this country. What's wrong with that?

You social conservatives who pride yourselves in your Christian values, who was the Christ in "Christian"? Wasn't he the one who sought out sinners and preached to them? Wasn't he the one who commanded Zaccheus, the sinful tax collector, to come down from the sycamore tree and prepare food for him? Wasn't he the one who made Matthew, another tax collector, his disciple? Should Jesus now be condemned for his Zaccheus association? Or his Matthew association?

Does wileynash associate himself only with angels and saints?

Posted by: rfborjal | October 6, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Jon Voight went into a rant accusing Obama of all kinds of crazy things on fox. http://www.HuckabeeShow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

McLame/Failin':

No Clue & Desperate...so what can you expect?

G*O*P*B*S!

Posted by: OICUR2 | October 6, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me what exactly a "long form birth certificate" is?

I have my birth certificate that I've used to get my driver's license, passport and voter registration as well as enlist in the military but it doesn't look overly long to me, just date, time, my parents' names, attending physician, hospital information, etc. I'm a bit younger than Obama so I'd assume mine is fairly similar to his even though I was born on the mainland and he in Hawaii.

I believe that each state has its own standards of how records of live birth, which is what mine's called, are collected and maintained. I don't believe there is a national standard because my wife's birth certificate is different than mine and we were born in different states.

Posted by: flyfishchef | October 6, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

dav7boz wrote:
"We are socialist.
Barack Obama is the new socialist leader. And John McCain says, "Huh?...Wha..?"
You think McCain wasn't placed there as the non-choice choice to Obama? Take another look. Who but the corporate media would cause McCain to have suddenly re-emerged?"

Really?! Are you serious? I suppose both the Congress and the newly very conservative Supreme Court are just going to roll over and let this happen?
This is the biggest load of crap ever. How, in all the world, do you think a government as big as ours with so many people involved could ever make such a big change as to move to socialism in one election? For god's sake, the financial system just collapsed because we tried to go with unfettered capitalism. And, to think that corporate media would have any part in moving to a system where they couldn't rack up massive profits as a part of multi-national corporations is beyond absurd. Oh right, I forgot. Obama is some sort of god who can manipulate anyone with the might of his liberal brain.

Posted by: deacshades | October 6, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

The last time the mortgage industry melted down, John McCain was receiving money from one of the corrupt Savings & Loan company executives -- the group that ultimately cost the taxpayers $125 billion.
McCain took $112,000 in cash and nine trips at Keating's expense, usually to the corrupt banker's Fantasy Island retreat in the Bahamas.

And this from a 1989 Phoenix newspaper article that shows McSame's dishonesty and dishonor and desire to be president by any means fair or foul even 20 years ago:

"You're John McCain, a fallen hero who wanted to become president so desperately that you sold yourself to Charlie Keating, the wealthy con man who bears such an incredible resemblance to The Joker.

"You sought out a master criminal like Keating and became his friend. Now you've discarded him. It shouldn't be surprising that you are now in the process of selling out your senatorial accomplices.

"You're John McCain, clearly the guiltiest, most culpable and reprehensible of the Keating Five. But you know the power of television and you realize this is the only way you can possibly save your political career."


Posted by: jwald1 | October 6, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Look. John McCain seems pretty divorced from reality.I'm pretty sure he actually is.
He doesn't really know why the Ayers reference is important except that it riles many people up. He may not get that it means much more than that.
And, because these guys are teachers now doesn't mean they are reformed. It only means they don't have the energy of their youth and have done what an infiltrator does - and with great patience. The process is still being played out. They learned from guys like Saul Alinsky that the way is to operate within the system, to take down the system.And what better place but to indoctrinate the young in universities.
And remain unrepentant.
Meanwhile the international corporate finance takeover has gone down.
And we are in the middle.
The two ought to meet, shake hands in congratulation. Job done.
We are socialist.
Barack Obama is the new socialist leader. And John McCain says, "Huh?...Wha..?"
You think McCain wasn't placed there as the non-choice choice to Obama? Take another look. Who but the corporate media would cause McCain to have suddenly re-emerged?
We are through.
Done. History.

Posted by: dav7boz | October 6, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Tyrone, and boots3

Vote for a true conservative http://bobbarr2008.com

Posted by: r4147824 | October 6, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Listen to Obama Talk Radio.....Nothing But The Truth with Greg Jones. What MSM omits....you'll hear on NBTT !

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingLeft/The-Greg-Jones-Show/2008/10/05/NOTHING-BUT-THE-TRUTH-with-Greg-Jones

Posted by: blacks4barack | October 6, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Tyrone

Do you buy into drill here drill now?

Could we drill next week?

Do we have the equipment to drill?

Will all the oil stay in the U.S.

Thats why the only thing that could have sparked the mccain campaign went up in smoke.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 6, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

But what about McCain's own associations with former 60's radicals. Indeed, until just a few years ago, McCain openly boasted not only about his passing friendship but also his deep collaboration with one of the most prominent of Vietnam-era student radicals, David Ifshin. The same David Ifshin who denounced America on Radio Hanoi as McCain sat locked up as a POW.

I met Ifshin about the same time he came into McCain's life. But under very different circumstances. In 1970, as president of the left-leaning National Student Association, Ifshin traveled to North Vietnam with other anti-war radicals and it was then that he went on Radio Hanoi to denounce his own country's war effort. That broadcast was piped directly into POW McCain's cell in the Hanoi Hilton and he was understandably enraged by what he thought was a traitorous act by a fellow American.

I crossed paths with the same David Ifshin a few months later when he showed up in Chile with folksinger Phil Ochs and Yippie leader Jerry Rubin. We spent some days together n Santiago and I can personally attest that while Ifshin never went as far as Ayres did in becoming a literal bomb-thrower, he was very much emblematic of a generation of radical dissidents. Ifshin had risen to notoriety by leading the takeover of his Syracuse university campus. He opened up his NSA offices to radicals trying to shut down Washington DC with streets protests in May 1971. Just after their sojourn in Chile, Ifshin and Ochs went on to Uruguay, joined a local university takeover and were arrested and deported.

As the years passed, Ifshin - just like Ayers-- eventually moved into the American political mainstream. Ayers came out of the underground, took up education as a profession and staked himself out on the non-violent political left. Ifshin moved more quickly to the center and eventually became General Counsel to the Bill Clinton campaign as well as a prominent leader in pro-Israeli causes. But until the day he died, at age 47 in 1996, Ifshin never renounced nor apologized for his youthful, radical past.

In the meantime, and much to his credit, Senator John McCain forged a close personal friendship with Ifshin, as well as a working political alliance. Together they worked to establish the Institute for Democracy in Vietnam and partnered up on the issue of normalization of relations with Vietnam.

As recently as two years ago, speaking at Columbia College, McCain affectionately and warmly recalled his relationship with Ifshin saying:

"We worked together in an organization dedicated to promoting human rights in the country where he and I had once come for different reasons. I came to admire him for his generosity, his passion for his ideals, for the largeness of his heart, and I realized he had not been my enemy, but my countryman . . . my countryman ...and later my friend. His friendship honored me. We disagreed over much. Our politics were often opposed, and we argued those disagreements. But we worked together for our shared ideals."

That John McCain is unrecognizable from the man who today stands behind the scurrilous attacks suggesting that Barack Obama pals around with terrorists because Bill Ayres - when Obama was literally eight years old--stupidly fancied himself an armed revolutionary.

The old John McCain was able to overcome his own repulsion against a young man who went on the radio station of the enemy who was holding and torturing him and built a warm friendship with him. If Obama were to run commercials today criticizing McCain for hanging out with the Tokyo Rose of the Vietnam era, it would be nearly as execrable as the McCain campaign's current smears around Bill Ayres.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 6, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Tyrone

Think man if the msm was left wing

No war in iraq

Obama would be 20 points ahead

Fox news would not exist


Posted by: r4147824 | October 6, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

TO 4147824:

There is no fair MSM left in America. MSNBC kicks amd slams McCain daily. They are left wing-nuts. Have yo watched Chri"tine Mathews, Keith Ober"woman and Rachel "Man"dow? Man the gus of old, Huntley-Brinkley are doing cartwheels in their graves. They would not believe what has become of there network. You may take offense to Fox and the popular thing to do in your social circle is the defy FOX news but let me tel you, if they are lying on your boy Obama then being a lawyer and having goo=gobs of liberal lawyer buddies, he should sue them. He won't! WHY?...TRUTH!

Posted by: TyroneJonessr | October 6, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

You would have to be really stupid to buy into any of this....They already tried the "terrorist card" - it didn't work. This has factchecked and it is FALSE!!!!! FALSE !!!!
Mccain/Palin will continue to lie for their campaign for 30 more days. They will do anything to win this election- including selling their soul.

politicaladattacks.blogspot.com


Posted by: modesto111 | October 6, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Dough1 What branch of the service were you in?

Posted by: boots3 | October 6, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

WileyNash my point was it is absurd to create list of associates of either men to see who has more on their list or to see which list has greater patrioits than the other.

Patriotism gets raped every time we have an election. There is no one in the world qualified to judge your patrotism or mine nor is there any sort of test that can be administered.

The whole argument is absurd and pointless.

If you don't like Obama for whatever reason then certainly you should not vote for him. But your absurd request to prove he maybe or may not be qualified is inane.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 6, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse


Wow.

McPalin vastly underestimates the American intellect.

Posted by: T-Prop | October 6, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

McCain is his own 60's radical buddy. He signed a letter repudiating the US shortly after he was captured.

He also participated in propaganda films against the US.

In think US officers are taught to die before doing such anti-US acts.

McCain quote "I fell in love with my country while a POW."

He wasn't in love with the us before he joined the military?

We need a President who has always loved our country.

We need Barack Obama.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 6, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Patrick 10 The only thing I can tell you as avet. of the Korean confict You should walk a mile in somebody shoes before you go saying something stupid again

The statements about McCain and the constitution can be verfied should you doubt them.

I personally think McCain is a war hero if you are concerned about that.

I also believe what happened to him is irrlevant at this point.

And I am voting for Obama.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 5, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain has a 60's radical buddy too

Marc cooper

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Adultery is a fine moral trait in a would-be president....NOT

As a Christian father and husband, it don't understand how you can leave your wife and 3 children for a rich young girl 17 years younger.

How do you look your children in the eye after leave them and their for the younger boody you've been cheating with.

Ask McBush. Maybe he can shed light on this puzzling question.

Character? I think not.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 5, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Boots3

Thank you for your service.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Hannityites.

This is sean hannity go jump off a cliff.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Patrick 10 The only thing I can tell you as avet. of the Korean confict You should walk a mile in somebody shoes before you go saying something stupid again

Posted by: boots3 | October 5, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

These guys BOTH SUCK.
McCain is aggravating as HELL.
BUT, Obama and his people have managed to hypnotize an unusual number of people. You take the general philosphy and world view of this guy, and look at who has helped him rise to where he is today and you have a dangerous situation. To me, he is a crucial element in a process that is decades in the making and his election represents the biggest, most solid footprint of the fascist/socialist, international corporate-banking ruling elite to date. My view is that it has long ago been way too late to stop the taking of America. I believe the whole market-economy balloon-bust cycle and absolute takedown is part of the plan,including the tech bubble and the immediate re-inflating with housing before the market had a chance to correct normally. A planned one-two punch.Knowing the 2-punch would be housing teetering upon "community organizing" on steroids,there was a manic rush to make bad loans. Fannie Mae,with the Democrat liars in congress taking protection money (Obama at the HIGHEST rate),kept selling more & more bundled mortgages at an ever faster clip, to the big banks, and insuring them came to be leveraged beyond any sense.Define a demographic and force them to become victims in huge numbers, then turn around, re-assign the blame,and campaign on the pain of the victims you created.But you wouldn't be where you are with so little valid accomplishment without involving some radicals. Thing is, here, Barack, these are the radicals who share
YOUR ideals. And the mistake McCain is making is NOT that he is reminding folks of your associations but that he does not know how to EXPLAIN how it is important.EXPLAIN not just how the ideologies are the same, but how they both fit into the BIGGER picture of how their ideology is shared by many of the supporters, how the nation as a whole has been and is shifting to that mindset and how dangerous it is. Explain how the highest financial world powers are blending socialism into the free markets as part of a newer order on the planet as their grip grows ever tighter..And explain it without sounding conspiratorial,...and be clear.

Posted by: dav7boz | October 5, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

tyrone

Why go on fox news? Most people know they lie on a daily bases. The new name is fixed news.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

patrick10 posted:

"Is this some kind of Joe McCarthy loyalty test you have been given the unique responsiblity by some hidden power to administer to the rest of us..."

Not at all. I've heard a lot about Obama's ties to questionable characters, but very little about his associations with people who one would think he would wish to exploit in defense of his own character. Obviously I've hit a nerve there, Patrick. Someone brought up his grandfather who was a WWII veteran. Care to expand the list? Or would you just prefer to change the subject by accusing me of McCarthyism?

Posted by: wileynash | October 5, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

The mental midget Barack Obama.

Posted by: jdripper07 | October 5
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I suppose John McCain who graduated 5th from the bottom of his Annapolis class of 899 students is a mental giant?

Posted by: rfborjal | October 5, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

The truth and only the truth shall set you free BO. FOX news is kicking your "fannie" but you aren't responding like a man who is innocent of their charges. You are like a guy who runs in the house and does his fighting from the window or the porch or over his big sister's shoulder. Go on Fox and call them liars to their faces. I am sure that the whole nation will tune in for that . It will be the biggest TV event of the decade.

Posted by: TyroneJonessr | October 5, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Georgia 90% Obama early voting. Tell youre friends and neigbors dont bother voting mcsame its a waste of time. Stay home and enjoy tv insted. Obamas going to sweep 46 states maybe 48 sorry AR & AL

Posted by: sobugged | October 5, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

boots3

The GOP game plan

blame the clintons

Dick morris work for fox news right?

Nuff said

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

As an officer in the US mulitary, McCain took the Oath of Allegiance and was obligated to abide by the uniform miltary code of justice. The UMCJ at that time prohibited any US POW's from signing any confessions under any circumstances.

McCain admits to signing a confession. This was considered after the Vietnam War to be an offense that all who participated in should be court-martialed for.

The 14th ammendment clearly states anyone signing the Oath of Allegiance and being in the miltary who gives aid and comnfort to the enemy is barred from being elected to the Office of the President.

This are all true. The interpretation of the 14th Ammendment is open for some interpretation but is rather specific.

Having stated the above facts, I will add the following:

Many POW's signed a confession. Most but no all under duress. They were forgiven due to the harsh nature of the conditions of their treatment. Considerations for their court martials were dismissed. And consequently the UMCJ was ammended to allow false confessions to be signed if it precluded further harm while being held captive.

And the 14th ammendment allows persons to be forgiven in McCain's case by a vote in Congress.

My point is to judge someone's distant past, a past based on highly debatable circumstances is somewhat irrlevant in light of the real issues in this election.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 5, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I think most of you liberial are people that PRESIDENT BUSH beat Gore in 2000 and you just haven't gotten over it.

Posted by: boots3 | October 5, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

boots3

Get the fox out of here

Don't you know faux noise is the prapaganda arm for the bush regime.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

wileynash - And how about Sam Nunn? Who has been a very direct mentor to Senator Obama. I'm pretty sure he's patriotic.

Do you need more...you dimwitted troll? I don't think you have the slightest clue as to what Patriotism means. As a Vet and someone who has read more that Ann Coulter's views of American History...I can tell you that I do. I can also tell you that Obama is a true American Patriot.

Posted by: SWMissouri | October 5, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Come to think I have never heard Obama deny
any of the alligation only that he is above the fray and that there are using swift boat tatics

Posted by: boots3 | October 5, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Hannityites

Sean slant head maxed out at the credibility ATM.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

boots3

I would like for hannity to run a special on John McCain medical records.

Troopergate

Palin's alleged affair

Keating 5

G gordan liddy

Oliver North

Dick Cheney

George Bush

Alberto Gonzalos

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

OMG, is Fox still on tv ..... my cable company took them off months ago

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 5, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a fugitive on the run for his past. He can not convince me that he did noy know any of the people who happen to be controversial figures in such impersonal levels. That's BS. Anyone who swallows that will swallow anything Obama wants to put sown their throats. I would have some respecy for BO if he would own up to the people "on the real", because people can go from bad to good in life. You just can't go around throwing everbody that was there for you BO under the bus!!!
Think of this BO....WWJD.

Posted by: TyroneJonessr | October 5, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Betty and Bucko for President

While Rome burns, can ANYTHING be more pathetic (or transparent) than Sarah Pallin's ranting about Obama's relationship with an obviously long-reformed person, now a college professor, who did something stupid as a young man many decades ago when Obama was still a mere child?

Is it not incredulous that Sarah is obsessed with implying that Obama is somehow a secret terrorist-in-disguise who will destroy the nation if elected president? And that THIS is her focus while the nation boils in a brutal cauldron of warfare in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and soon Iran, if she, McCain, Bush, Cheney, and leaders of the military industrial complex have their way?

Is it not odd that she decries the very "community service" that her party extolled. Is it not peculiar that, in her mind, community service became somehow "evil" when performed by a young man named Barrack Obama? How brain-twistingly bizarre! Even Rod Serling couldn't make this up.

Is it not frightening to consider the power of her obsession with this silliness in view of the fact that she is obsessing on it while the WORLD and the COUNTRY are in the midst of wars on multiple fronts and a world-wide financial melt down?

Does she consider these events and issues not important enough or worthy enough of her brilliant mind's undivided attention? Or, perhaps, she feels she has given them all the thought required and has them solved?

What's important to Sarah (and more importantly, her handlers) appears to be launching an incessant string of buzz words of fear, fabrication, and fantasy. Rather than focus on reality, she implies that Obama is somehow a secret terrorist determined to get elected and destroy America! Right...right Sarah. And I'm Santa Claus. Geez...!

In her own parlance, "It sorta makes one think she don' know what's goin' on or what's really importunt(sic) to reg'lar folk like you an' me...or to the WORLD!"

BTW: Is this holier-than-thou, terrorist fearing, Obama-bashing, Sarah the SAME Sarah who cavorts around in sexual romps with her husband's business associates? Conducts secret state business affairs behind closed doors via ILLEGAL private emails to select "players" in her administration and out? Stonewalls investigations into her practices as governor of the America's most oil-rich state? Is she the same Sarah who supported the "bridge to nowhere" when no one was looking...UNTIL it became a political liability...but still took the money? The same Sarah who (proudly) proclaims she supports LAWS to *FORCE* *children* raped by their fathers to have their babies!?! Is this the same sensible clear thinking Sarah who submitted herself to be prayed over by some lunatic exorcist so her soul wouldn't be invaded by witches?

Is this our new wannabe VP...or, God forbid, President by default? Is this she? Is this Sarah she...really!?!

Nah...couldn't be.

This couldn't be the same adorably cutesy Sarah that millions of lonely Alaskan men and, in her words, "jus' plain folks like you and me" (wink wink) wanted and want to rule over them, could it? Nah...couldn't be.

Well...whoever THIS Sarah is, I must admit that I am impressed with her ability to memorize the few "lines" taught to her by the special interests for whom she has chosen to become a vacuous mouthpiece.

I am equally impressed with this Sarah's "Christian" ability to be unforgiving, thoughtless, blindly misled, amoral one moment, immoral the next, and unethical in between; not to mention a pathological liar when the fancy strikes her. (The "facts" she repeated with such machinegun-like rapidity and insistence during the VP debate are Himmler-like proof enough of that. A few misstatements are one thing...but that debate-Sarah litany was something else...almost like a chant!)

In the midst of an international monetary crisis, a healthcare crisis, our troops' being at risk of death and dismemberment in multiple countries, a failing education system, skyrocketing unemployment, a tumbling stock market, a special interest controlled government, and a national debt so great that we are trying to sell our roads, bridges, ports, and electric power grid to foreign entities and mortgaging America to China -- in the midst of all this, is it not incredible that any THINKING person running for VP would EVER stoop to considering it more important to focus on false fear mongering and vilification than actually addressing the critical issues at hand -- thoughtfully and with courage?

What we need in a leader today is someone who is calm, kind, intelligent, strong, committed, thoughtful, and courageous...and FOCUSED ON THE *REAL* PROBLEMS AT HAND.

Precisely what we do NOT need are false fear mongering, non-issue oriented individuals dedicated to espousing a litany of flawed "facts", ludicrous personal attacks, and meaningless drivel about "makin' things better for da folks".

Nor do we need a hyped-up, overly narcissistic teeny bopper-like individual who pastes on the fake winning smiles of a model and (wink wink) "relates to the Joe six pack" crowd!

I dunno about you...but I DON'T want a Joe Six Pack-type for president...or vice president. And I don't want a Sarah Six Pack...either.

Nor do I want an elderly jet-jockey who thinks getting his butt blown out of the sky 30 years ago and graduating at the BOTTOM of his class at Annapolis somehow qualifies him to be president! Was he brave? Yes. But so is a skunk who stands his ground against a mountain lion; but however brave or pretty, neither a skunk or teeny bopper-brained narcissist is qualified to be president in a world as complex and shaky and dangerous as ours is right now.

If thinks keep going as they are, in the election after this we'll nominate Betty Boop and Buck Rogers. And you know what? Countless imbeciles would vote for them...no matter how many times real, living, human beings told them, "Betty & Bucko ain't real, pal."

James Roberts, RI

Posted by: JR2001 | October 5, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

wileynash - And then there are those guys Monroe and Jefferson...and the other founding father's that gave birth to this nation and the Constitution that it relies on. Obama's outlook on what it means to be an American come from them as someone who has actually read the "Federalist Papers" and taught Constitutional Law in Chicago for many years. In fact Biden also does so in Delaware. Imagine that, two Constitutional Lawyers. I assume that you would agree that the Founders were patriotic.

Posted by: SWMissouri | October 5, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

THE AYERS/OBAMA TIMELINE

1987 William Ayers meets Barack Obama

1988 Ayers solicits Khalid Al-Mansour to raise money for Obama's Harvard law School education

1989 Tom Ayers and William Ayers get Obama a summer job at Sidley & Austin (where he meets Michelle Obama); Ayers' wife Bernadine Dohrn also worked at Sidley at about the same time as Barack and Michelle.

1993 Ayers places Obama on Woods Foundation

1995 Ayers makes Obama Chairman of Annenberg Challenge

1995 Ayers hosts a coffee klatch for Obama's political debut (Obama falsely claims this is when he met Ayers)

2007-2008 The structure of Obama's presidential campaign increasingly comes to resemble an Ayers-designed national "community organizer matrix" straight out of Maoist theory. This is not merely a presidential "campaign." Obama's organization is the first installment of an ongoing movement being paid for with tax-exempt contributions to his campaign, approaching half a billion dollars.

2008 Obama In response to ABC News, Obama tells a national TV audience he was "six years old" when Ayers bombed federal buildings, and they are only casual neighborhood acquaintances. A lie.

Posted by: tjones4 | October 5, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I Also heard the results are in from Chicago with 150% of the vote in there are only 12 cemetery left to report.

Posted by: boots3 | October 5, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

boots3

Hannity need to run a special on Sarah palin not supplying rape kits for rape victims.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Boots3

Hannity also said obama was gay. Not true. Hannity is a propaganda machine like radio ali.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Since Johnny McCain wants to go there, maybe we should take to him....

www.keatingeconomics.com

enjoy.

Posted by: jazzence | October 5, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

From the journal, Health Affairs, here's an in-depth analysis of John McCain's plan to throw us out on a deregulated open market for health insurance -- shows how much he understands economics:
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/hlthaff.27.6.w472/DC1

"At first glance, average premiums in the nongroup market often appear to be lower than premiums for group coverage. But the apparent advantage of nongroup coverage is an illusion. The reality is that providing coverage through nongroup plans is much more costly than providing that coverage through groups. Administrative expenses are twice as high in nongroup markets as in group markets.19 The costs are higher because insurers in this market spend considerable resources on medical underwriting, and economies of scale are lost."

John McCain doesn't know some basic economic terms:
"transaction costs"
"economics of scale"

Posted by: yihe94703 | October 5, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey yogi11 -

I see you've brought up troopergate below. I'm assuming you've done your homework on the whole scandal. Knowing as much as you surely do, how would have you handled it personally if it were your sister getting death threats, your nephew being tasered, not to mention the several documented disciplinary actions this officer had on his employment record as a peace officer... Add to that his superior refused to take action based on union cronyism. (Believe me, there are thousands of Law Enforcement officers who have committed serious crimes and ethics violations who are still on the tax-payer dole.)

Just curious.

Posted by: wileynash | October 5, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Why did the big war hero run out of Michigan with his tail between his legs ? He's always been a phony. He surrenders so quick doesn't he ?

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 5, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I hope everybody knows where the blame for the bailout lies. I am wait to see if congress will investigate FRANKS & DODD

Posted by: boots3 | October 5, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Georgia 90% Obama early voting. Tell youre friends and neigbors dont bother voting mcsame its a waste of time. Stay home and enjoy tv insted.

Posted by: sobugged | October 5, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

boots3

I was waiting for the hannityites to come out in full force. Do you think hannity would do a piece on palin or mccain? No.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

wileynash - How about his grandfather for one...a veteran of WWII who in the early 60's didn't lynch the black guy his daughter was dating or disown his grandson. Sounds like a true American Patriot to me.

Posted by: SWMissouri | October 5, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Moving Families Into The Nongroup Insurance Market

Despite initially having only a small effect on the number of uninsured Americans,the McCain health plan would have a strong effect on the private health insurance system. A key aspect of Senator McCain's plan is to move people from employment-based insurance coverage to the nongroup market. This is the market where individuals and families who do not have employer- or government-sponsored coverage buy their insurance today.
From the journal, Health Affairs, here's an in-depth analysis of John McCain's plan to throw us out on a deregulated open market for health insurance -- shows how much he understands economics:
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/hlthaff.27.6.w472/DC1

"At first glance, average premiums in the nongroup market often appear to be lower than premiums for group coverage. But the apparent advantage of nongroup coverage is an illusion. The reality is that providing coverage through nongroup plans is much more costly than providing that coverage through groups. Administrative expenses are twice as high in nongroup markets as in group markets.19 The costs are higher because insurers in this market spend considerable resources on medical underwriting, and economies of scale are lost."

John McCain doesn't know some basic economic terms:
"transaction costs"
"economics of scale"

Posted by: yihe94703 | October 5, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Please list some of Obama's longtime associates who most Americans would consider patriots


Is this some kind of Joe McCarthy loyalty test you have been given the unique responsiblity by some hidden power to administer to the rest of us because we don't recite the Pledge of Allegiance when we get out of bed every morning???

I bet my patriotism is longer than your patriotism.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 5, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

patrick10 you are saying that Senator McCain was in violation of the UCMJ while he was a POW? Is that what you are saying?

You say he was considered to have legal action against him?

Be careful patrick10 I sat on the Army Chief of Staff's desk at that time. If anything like that was even whispered about any of the POWs I would have known about it.

It did not happen so you might wish to give your career as Nancy Drew detective a respite.

Posted by: jdripper07 | October 5, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Too much hate can kill a man. You obama haters face the facts even union bigots and rural americans are supporting obama. It's time Americans of all backgrounds unite, and focus on what we have in common and build on that.

If we keep voting out of fear, and hate this country will implode. Vote obama and in 2012 run a conservative.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I would suggest everybody watch the repeat of Hannity's America at 11:00pm CDT on FOX.
I really don't think they would run something if it wasn't true and with all the proof they have.

Posted by: boots3 | October 5, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I have not seen or heard the lady with the frozen smile lately.....

Relapse??

Posted by: swrightsr | October 5, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Let me tell you something... McCain and Palin both refuse to talk about the issues and they are chosing to talk solely about Barak Obama in an obvious attempt at diverting people's attention AWAY from the issues and trying to play the fear game. They lied. They embellish facts that people on this thread are debating with NO KNOWLEDGE of the actual events.

This is THE oldest trick in the books... they are aimed solely at White people to get those who are undecided to be afraid of Barak Obama. C'mon with all of the lies about him having muslim and now to all him a consorter with terrorists? I blatant can their deception be. The sad part is that people will fall for it.

When this man Ayers was involved with this group, Obama was 8 YEARS OLD (face the nation this morning)! Otherwise he served on a board with this man concerning, but helping the less fortunate.

Now I guess it's McCain or Palin's tactic to evade EHO to direct the sale of their homes to people like them but for most people you seel to the first/highest bidder... regardless, these are obvious attempts at smearing the man's name because he leds in the polls...

...and it's directed at White people. This Black man with the islamic name is a terrorist and a criminal. How blatant is that? But believe what you will, just remember people, we are ALL in this BOAT together. Keep this mess going if you want to. Maybe they will be asking for another $700 billion in 4 years if you reelect the same GOP policies into office. Go for it!

Posted by: crtjr | October 5, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I have a challenge for the Obama supporters here:

Please list some of Obama's longtime associates who most Americans would consider patriots, people who are Obama's mentors. Who were the people in young Barack's life that he looks back on and says, these people are my heroes, idols, shaped my world philosophy and made me love my country.

We can make a list of all the answers and forward to them to the Obama folks so they can defend McCain's charges with a nice hope-y change-y kind of, 'hey, look at all the great folks Barack has surrounded himself with' ad.

Let's get started!

This should be an easy assignment for so many of the enthusiastic Obama supporters on this forum . Please enlighten us.

No fair bringing up McCain's past or present associates. We'll just accept the premise that McCain is pure Keating evil. This is about defending Obama.

So looking forward to your responses!

Posted by: wileynash | October 5, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder if the people of the AIP party (like Palin and her husband) who think independence from the U.S. would be nifty have thought about their dangerous next door neighbor"

Republic of Alaska motto:

"Alaska: The Georgia of the North"

Posted by: laremiller | October 5, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN MORE LIKELY TO CREATE NEW JOBS
(Story originally printed in the LaCrosse Tribune)

Which of the two major presential canidates is more likely to bring good paying union jobs into the United States ?

John McCain proposals to address the engergy crisis with increased oil drilling and construction of new refineries and dozens of nuclear power plants would create hundreds of thousands of high paying union jobs.

While the democratic leadership and Barack Obama keeps hoping windmills and solar powerwill answer our future energy needs,McCains has realistic solutions that will actually make things happen and results in the creationof high paying jobs.

Not only will there be creation of new jobs ,but increased energy production is the only hope for sustaining heavy industry in our country .

The future belonges to the country that can generously supply abundant energy for its industries.

Even while pursuing these solutions McCain is decidedly in favor of promoting green energy and smart applications of high tech solutions to cut our dependence on oil.The difference between McCain and Obama is that McCain knows there has to be a realistic transition peroid between the old and the new.

As for Obama ,aside from his socialistic learnings, we cannot be sure ehere he stands on this or any issue.Compared to McCain(and even Sarah Palin)he has hardly any record of accomplishment.With McCain we know what we are voting for.


Posted by: boots3 | October 5, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

What is tragically sad is the small minded people who support a candidate that needs to be defended for his terrible judgment in whom he surrounds himself.
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When McCain signed a confession while being held as a POW in Hanoi he vilated the oath he took and the Military Code Conduct in force at the time of this violation. He was considered for a court-martial after he was released.

This technically barrs him from the office of President of the United States under the 14th ammendment to the US Constitution.

So should we be considering this "un-American" to be our President Mr. JackDRipper?

Posted by: patrick10 | October 5, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Johnny boy wasn't involved with the Keating 5. Yeah! His buddies in the Senate let the big war hero off the hook with his friend the astronaut. You can still smell the stink from the deal 15 years later. The big reformer with a public censure for POOR JUDGEMENT. Wine improves with age. His judgment has just soured.

Posted by: therightchoice123 | October 5, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Tell me how "He doesn't see the world like you and I do" isn't a racist attempt to separate Obama from the "good, white people." These folks are despicable. I'm glad Palin is out there killing her political future by launching herself nationally with this small-minded, vicious approach.

Once they move for impeachment up in Alaska when the Troopergate report comes in, and then she and her great-grandpa lose the election, she'll likely just fade away. She could have approached this with some dignity, with some class, and had a future with the Grasping Old Party. But she chose to do the robotic thing, getting the data-slime stuffed into her ear and regurgitating it, all for the benefit of the same Bush crowd that gave us Chimpie (by golly, they've been trainin' her, ya know). Another mean spirit bites the political dust.

By the way, another lost soul, Donald Rumsfeld, used to do the "golly gee, gosh, my lord" routine, too. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: yogi11 | October 5, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Farrakan, Liddy, the lobbyists are not running or taking over God forbid, and I look at the candidates themselves to judge what to expect. Unfortunately McCain 2000 is gone and some kind of mean spirited at any cost grab for the brass ring replacement is running. Barbara Walters said it best when she said John this is not you, you have changed. I don't see any chance with Palin as his mate, and a shake up of replacing her with Lieberman is not out of the realm but unlikely. The gutter, hatred and fear is all that is left as the platform vs platform argument is a loser. 15 billion for alternative energy, a billion for infrastructure are job makers which will come from taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. 300 billion a year with the AMT drop and grand for the middle class with college tuition tax credits and energy credit paid by oil windfall dollars is our middle class royalty on those making the most money. Trickle up lets the top eat better too with an affluent working class buying and using services with more disposable income. The current unemployment and underemployment has hit the capital market with depressed sales. We still have more to contract with more bankruptcies and home losses to come. The refinancing should be done before bankruptcy court to take a preemptive strike against massive foreclosures. No one wants to help the struggling homeowner, only the bankrupt one.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 5, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Intelligent people speak about issues. The less intelligent speak about people.

Posted by: jimcummings | October 5, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

How stupid can Tucker Bounds and the McCain campaign get?

If you want to discuss felons you did business with, lets start with Charles Keating and the Keating Five.

Posted by: jimcummings | October 5, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Being part of the Keating 5 is very significant to the current events. He was investigated by his peers and was judged to be the least involved, along with John Glenn. Both admitted that to be the low point of their life. McCain was criticized by the Senate Ethics committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf. McCain would write in one of his books in 2002 that attending the two April 1987 meetings was "the worst mistake of my life". [McCain, Worth the Fighting For, p. 161.]

Poor judgement. What about letting a buddy rip off 160 billion dollars from mostly elderly people? Is that responsible judgement?

While everyone has people that they know which do not have the best reputations, some people such as senators, presidents, vice presidents, judges, preachers, governers, etc. are and should be held to high standards. As an independent, I respect the decisions made thus far by Obama to not drag up old baggage. It is often necessary and good to associate with those of poor reputation and hopefully influence them in positive ways. As an evangelical I have the perfect role model for that.

I read an old article in the by someone who apparently did not like McCain and saw through the fluff. The article is from 1989 from the Phoenix New Times. It has an interesting perspective.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1

Posted by: rsregan | October 5, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the people of the AIP party (like Palin and her husband) who think independence from the U.S. would be nifty have thought about their dangerous next door neighbor Palin pointed to in her interview with Couric. Or would they expect the U.S. to then come to their defense for old times sake. Or maybe they could get the Canadians to help them take on Russia. Or maybe they're anxious to be annexed by Russia.

Posted by: rc53 | October 5, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

John McShame...I'm surprised it took this long. This a a great example of what a McShame/Palin administration would look like. Lies, Cons,thieves, Dopes(palin)Cheats, Abuse of power...lets not foget the "brain-dead" followers...
Wait a minute...where have i seen this before...? Dont tell me...dont tell me!
mmm,

Posted by: bblackee | October 5, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Johnny boy wasn't involved with the Keating 5. Yeah! His buddies in the Senate let the big war hero off the hook with his friend the astronaut. You can still smell the stink from the deal 15 years later. The big reformer with a public censure for POOR JUDGEMENT. Wine improves with age. His judgment has just soured.

Posted by: therightchoice123 | October 5, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

"7 in Palin's administration agree to give statements in probe"

"The seven, including Palin's chief of staff, had tried to fight subpoenas issued by the state Senate Judiciary Committee. But an Anchorage judge upheld the subpoenas Thursday, and Alaska Attorney General Talis Colberg notified the committee Sunday that they would give statements after all, Judiciary Committee Chairman Hollis French said."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/05/palin.probe/index.html

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 5, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

When Republican parrots run out of arguments, they just start insulting you. That's as close as they can bring themselves to admitting they have lost the argument.

Soon the grumpy old man who can't remember how many houses he owns and his homecoming queen VP pick will be a fading memory and the rest of us can get on with restoring dignity back into our country.

Posted by: deano1 | October 5, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

"The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[42][41] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf.[7] The report also said that McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."[45] On his Keating Five experience, McCain has said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."[7]

Regardless of the level of their involvement, both senators were greatly affected by it. McCain would write in 2002 that attending the two April 1987 meetings was "the worst mistake of my life".[46] Glenn has described the Senate Ethics Committee investigation as the low point of his life.[8]

The Senate Ethics Committee did not pursue, for lack of jurisdiciton, any possible ethics breaches in McCain's delayed reimbursements to Keating for trips at the latter's expense, because they occurred while McCain was in the House.[43] The House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct said that it too lacked jurisdiction, because McCain was no longer in the House.[47] It said it did not require that McCain amend his existing financial disclosure forms for his House years, on the grounds that McCain had now fully reimbursed Keating's company.[47]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 5, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I find this to be absurd. Let me see does Barack Obama know and is he friendly with Bill Ayers? Yes. The Mayor of Chicago has stated on the record that they are friends.

Does Barack Obama know and is he close with Jeremiah Wright? Yes. For over 20 years he has known that racist, anti American thug known as Reverend Wright.

So let me see if the McCain campaign points out that Barack knows these two loathsome people, has know them for years and years that is something wrong? Wow now that is torturing logic.

He does know Franklin Rains, he does know Jim Johnson, he has received millions of dollars from Wall Street. Those are all facts. That is the truth.

What is tragically sad is the small minded people who support a candidate that needs to be defended for his terrible judgment in whom he surrounds himself.

Barack Obama he of the C- average of 2.01 from Columbia University. The only editor of the Harvard Law Review who has never published a serious legal paper. The man whose LSAT scores were so low he refuses to say what they were. The say with his SATs.

The mental midget Barack Obama.

Posted by: jdripper07 | October 5, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey rc53 Palin as Christian. Remember her winks? Check this out:

Proverbs Chapter 10: (RSV)
10. He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow; But a prating fool shall fall.

Proverbs Chapter 6: (RSV)
12 A worthless person, a man of iniquity, Is he that walketh with a perverse mouth;

13 That winketh with his eyes, that speaketh with his feet, That maketh signs with his fingers;

14. In whose heart is perverseness, Who deviseth evil continually, Who soweth discord.

16. There are six things which Jehovah hateth; yea, seven which are an abomination unto him:

17. Haughty eyes, lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood;

18. A heart that deviseth wicked purposes, Feet that are swift in running to mischief,

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 5, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have no shame;
that's why they chose McCain;
but all in all, who's to blame;
in the end, it's all McSame.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY.... What may prove to be the single most damaging angle to Sarah Palin's role on the Republican Party ticket? There are quite a few contenders (ethics scandal, earmarks, inexperience, outside-the-mainstream views), but following up on Hilzoy's item from last night, Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party might be the most politically detrimental.

It's practically impossible to make a "Country First" argument when your running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second.


Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

.......Complicating matters, Marc Ambinder has a video of a AIP leader explaining that party members "must 'infiltrate' -- his words -- the other two parties and push for the cause of Alaskan independence."

I suspect McCain and his aides didn't know about any of this. Indeed, they couldn't have -- they didn't vet her. But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense?

STEVE BENEN CBS NEW OCT 5, 08

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 5, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I do not like this kind of campaigning. I prefer that that the candidates that state and affirme what they believe in and what they want to do for thae American people. To degrade someone else is to degrade yourself. "Those among you who are without sin cast lthe first rock"

Posted by: OldCoot1 | October 5, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

1. John McCain admitted to intentionally filing false income tax returns to defraud the IRS by not claiming thousands of dollars in gifts McCain and his family received from Charles Keating and Keating’s company. Years later, when the IRS noticed Keating’s company had written off the gifts to McCain as business expenses, McCain fessed up and admitted filing false returns and made a “donation” to the U.S. Treasury to cover the amount he defrauded American tax payers. (Committing tax fraud is one of the least offensive things John McCain has done over his career, but this article just focuses on his role in the Keating Five, and the Lincoln Savings and Loan scandal of the late 1980’s-early 1990’s). McCain also leaked information about the Keating Five to the press multiple times in an effort to appear above the other Senators in the scandal. A 1989 Phoenix New Times article summed it up best with their title - McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five

Posted by: jerzygrl | October 5, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

me love palling she build bridge to nothing but got big pair of safety goggles and big hair and walk good in bathing suit so ok by me. macain is not so good in bathing suit or flying plane he crash but he maverik whatever that is so me vote him and palling. too bad democracy party dummies you gonna lose only democracy party care about fix economy who care me no have job any way so keep war going and good bush policy. yay!go republican people we need hottie in white house today!!!

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 5, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

"Seven state employees to honor Troopergate subpoenas"

"Alaska Attorney General Talis Colberg announced today that seven state employees will now honor subpoenas to testify in the legislative investigation of the Troopergate affair.

All seven employees have decided, in light of Superior Court Judge Peter Michalski's decision, to cooperate with the legislative investigation, according to a statement today from Colberg's office."

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/546777.html

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 5, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse


You may want to lay off the whole Keating five crap. McCain was investigated and cleared of any wrong doing fifteen years ago along with Glenn. It also nice to add that all the other Senators involved with that were democrats. Nothing much has changed there. Democrats are still helping out their banking buddies.

Even though Obama has not been around as long as McCain he has still managed to rack up more skeletons in the closet than him. The only difference is no one wants to talk bad about the media’s golden boy, so everything is swept under the rug.

Posted by: Batgeek | October 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

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No, McCain was not "cleared" - he and John Glenn received admonishments from the senate for their lack of good judgment.

As far as Obama goes, he has never been charges, indicted, censured or otherwise disciplined for anything. His so-called skeletons are smears from people who can't win an election without lying through their teeth.

Posted by: maggots | October 5, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I hope Obama will keep his focus on getting his policies across to the voters and let these two destroy themselves. I wonder what kind of a Christian Palin is? Apparently her bible doesn't contain the 8th commandment.

Posted by: rc53 | October 5, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Financial Weapons of Mass Distruction by Warren Buffet 2002/2003:

Story from BBC NEWS:http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/business/2817995.stm

Published: 2003/03/04 13:32:10 GMT
Buffett warns on investment 'time bomb'
Derivatives are financial weapons of mass destruction
Warren Buffett

The rapidly growing trade in derivatives poses a "mega-catastrophic risk" for the economy and most shares are still "too expensive", legendary investor Warren Buffett has warned.
The world's second-richest man made the comments in his famous and plain-spoken "annual letter to shareholders", excerpts of which have been published by Fortune magazine.
The derivatives market has exploded in recent years, with investment banks selling billions of dollars worth of these investments to clients as a way to off-load or manage market risk.
But Mr Buffett argues that such highly complex financial instruments are time bombs and "financial weapons of mass destruction" that could harm not only their buyers and sellers, but the whole economic system.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 5, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Osama's “dream” was to strike the Twin Towers. His “wildest dream” was to see the Twin Towers tumble to ground.

Osama long term “dream” was to see American economy kneel to the ground. Thank you Bush.

Osama's “wildest dream” will be a see a Muslim leading the USA to abyss.

Obama is Osama's wildest dream come true.


Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:50 PM

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Boy you clowns are funny. Everybody knows that Bush, Cheney, and the neo-con scum blew up the World Trade Center Towers. Where have you been all these years? Don't you know that they give lectures on this stuff in schools all over the country? Open your eyes man! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCHN-1Yk5LI

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 5, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Palin is getting more aggressive, and it isn't even just toward Obama. She publicly chastised McCain for pulling out of Michigan. Ouch. Bet McCain didn't appreciate that. I think Palin is beginning to believe her own hype and she thinks we've all forgotten the Couric interviews (or we accept Palin's nonsense spin about those interviews being filtered and unfair). We're about to see the growth of an enormous ego. Wonder how McCain will deal with it? All I know is that for me, as a woman, I'm repulsed by Palin -- she's a poser. And her "palling around with terrorists" accusation against a sitting United States Senator offends me.

Posted by: DogBitez | October 5, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY.... What may prove to be the single most damaging angle to Sarah Palin's role on the Republican Party ticket? There are quite a few contenders (ethics scandal, earmarks, inexperience, outside-the-mainstream views), but following up on Hilzoy's item from last night, Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party might be the most politically detrimental.

It's practically impossible to make a "Country First" argument when your running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second.


Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

CBS NEWS OCT 5, 08

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 5, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain actually has a certificate of having poor judgment from the Senate Ethics Committee. It was awarded to him for helping Charles Keating, his political patron, defraud millions of dollars from depositors to a Savings and Loan Bank run by Charles keating.

Posted by: TomCastano | October 5, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't hold your breath on the Keating 5 stuff going away...

"Obama to hit McCain on Keating scandal"

"Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Monday will launch a multimedia campaign to draw attention to the involvement of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the “Keating Five” savings-and-loan scandal of 1989-91, which blemished McCain’s public image and set him on his course as a self-styled reformer.

Pushing back against what it calls “guilt-by-association” tactics by McCain, the Obama campaign is e-mailing millions of supporters a link to a website, KeatingEconomics.com, that will have a 13-minute documentary on the scandal beginning at noon Eastern time on Monday. The overnight e-mails urge recipients to pass the link on to friends."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14302.html

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Posted by: dogsbestfriend | October 5, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY.... What may prove to be the single most damaging angle to Sarah Palin's role on the Republican Party ticket? There are quite a few contenders (ethics scandal, earmarks, inexperience, outside-the-mainstream views), but following up on Hilzoy's item from last night, Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party might be the most politically detrimental.

It's practically impossible to make a "Country First" argument when your running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second.


Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 5, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone list a series of accomplishments that qualify Obama to be POTUS? Apart from going to college and law school?

Being a community agitator? Hardly.

Serving in the Illinois state senate where he voted present more than 90 times?

Serving in the U.S. senate for a little over a year where he missed almost 50% of the votes (see the WaPo profile)? I'm not talking about authoring legislation, but voting?

Anyone? How has he "changed" lives apart from developing a cultic following?

Posted by: freepost | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

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Aside from age and residency, the voters determine if the qualifications of president are acceptable. It is all subjective.

At this point, the voters are making it clear that they don't care about McCain's experience, judgment, character, etc. That is why you guys have resorted to flinging mud at Obama again.

P.S. Do you get paid overtime by McCain for posting on Sunday?

Posted by: maggots | October 5, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain I have one word for you:

BACKFIRE

another worthless stunt going down in flames

Posted by: PA_DC | October 5, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

f you want to know who has someone in their campaign with terrorist ties use wiki and type Olando Bosch and Otto Reich.

Orlando actually blew up a plane with 73 passengers on route from VENEZUELA TO CUBA.
In 1968 Bosch was arrested in Florida for an attack on a Polish freighter with a 57 mm recoilless rifle.

Bosch said that all Cuban planes are fair target, THE BUSHES, PAPPA,w, and Jeb all have make excuses for a terrorist, but the main point here is that if McCain is going to smear Obama over terrorist he should not spit skyward as the spit is going to land on his face, what does all this have to do with McCain? Easy,Reich now serves as a policy adviser on Latin America for the John McCain's presidential campaign.

Posted by: corintonic | October 5, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Bahama for Obama 100%
WE LOVE YOU AND KEEP THE FAITH GOD ALMIGHTY WILL SEE YOU THROUGH.

IN THE LORD WE ARE WINNERS AND THE DEVIL (REPUBLICANS) WILL BITE THE DUST!
GOOD RIDDENS YOU REPUBLICAN FOOLS.

GOD IS A GREAT GOD OBAMA WILL SET THE CAPTIVES FREE!

Posted by: chickoi30 | October 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

You may want to lay off the whole Keating five crap. McCain was investigated and cleared of any wrong doing fifteen years ago along with Glenn. It also nice to add that all the other Senators involved with that were democrats. Nothing much has changed there. Democrats are still helping out their banking buddies.

Even though Obama has not been around as long as McCain he has still managed to rack up more skeletons in the closet than him. The only difference is no one wants to talk bad about the media’s golden boy, so everything is swept under the rug.

Posted by: Batgeek | October 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Perry are you a Democrat who is voting for Obama? The bias at your paper is so obvious. What about all the smearing your paper has been executing on Gov. Palin? How about the Democrat Fannie Mae Freddie Mac scandal you have failed to report on.

Posted by: evangel7 | October 5, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Remember glass houses and all that! Check out the principles of the AIP Remember. Facts matter. (Go, First Dude. Yeah!) and see whose current associations, not past chance meetings, speak most loudly to, or against, the principles of the America we love - skin color bedamned! b

Posted by: bldlcc | October 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

The oldest-known tracks of a creature apparently using legs have been discovered in rock dated to 570 million years ago in what was once a shallow sea in Nevada.

Could it be Mc Cain was campaigning even that far back

Posted by: ffny68 | October 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

It's marvelous to hear posters call Obama a Communist! I haven't heard talk like that since the 50s. I assume by his dangerous socialist views, the posters are referring to that dastardly notion that the nation should have universal health care. Why, that's tantamount to saying we should have universal police protection, fire protection, or, heaven forbid, a universal system of justice.

Posted by: dane1 | October 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Paul Begala's comments on this morning's Meet the Press.
"McCain once "sat on the board of a very right wing organization," the U.S. Council for World Freedom, led by a retired Army Maj. General named John Singlaub. The Anti-Defamation League allegedly called the CWF's parent organization a gathering place for racists and anti-Semites."

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 5, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Would someone explain to DemocracyRules that capitalism died with the bailout of the stock market.

Posted by: bucnews | October 5, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a fraud:

I have had a problem with the statements that John McCain refused to repatriate with his military unit and family after his captors wanted to release him. I kept hearing something from my training when I reported to Camp Le jeune, N.C. - it was the Code of Conduct that I was required to recite each day while I was in boot camp. The word “escape” stood out in my mind. I looked up the Code of Conduct. There it was Article III:
Code of Conduct Article III. If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

McCain violated the Code of Conduct while a prisoner at the so-called Hanoi Hilton. I have read that his captors wanted to release him but he refused to leave. That is a violation of Article III of the Fighting Soldier’s Code of Conduct which is also contained in Title 10 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

McCain refused to provide helpful information to families of captured Americans. He refused to rejoin his wife an kids. He refused to provide critical information to military leaders. He refused to rejoin his air combat unit as an experienced pilot. There were many more questions that the military needed to ask in order to attempt a rescue of other prisoners, learn the unit name and other information about his captors, captors’ habits of moving prisoners (he had been moved to a place called “Plantation Gardens” which he never mentions), the valuable information was withheld by McCain that would have notified families that their loved ones were either alive or dead.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 5, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

PALIN WANTS TO PLAY THE GUILT BY ASSOCIATION GAME? OOOOK! WELL THIS VIDEO SHOULD BE MADE INTO A COMMERCIAL. Let's talk about Palin's association with the Alaskan Independence Party? Her husband (and probably her) has been a part of an organization in Alaska that preaches secession from the USA. They are not all that nice. PLEASE WATCH, READ AND SHARE:

* Video: Sarah Palin addresses the Alaska Independence Party convention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

* Article

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palins_attack_on_obamas_patrio.php#more

Posted by: d_hyperion | October 5, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have so much.'" - Can somebody explain this to mr. Obama.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

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Yeah, but the capitalist is winking when he makes that statement.

Posted by: maggots | October 5, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

To the writers who are afraid of socialism:
What's wrong with socialized medicine?
I was traveling in Italy and sprained my ankle very badly, so I went to the emergency room at a nearby hospital. They X-rayed it, bound it up, and gave me a pair of crutches: all no charge! And they were really nice, too. An Italian classmate of mine fell off his bike (in California) and went to a local clinic to get cleaned up (he didn't break anything). He got slammed with a whopping bill.
Gosh, there isn't even any reciprocity between our two countries, and that seems pretty unfair. None of my Italian friends complain about their healthcare system.

Posted by: yihe94703 | October 5, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain and the rest of the republicans claim to be virtuous, when in fact; John McCain cheated on his first wife and was a major player in the Keating 5 scandal. His vice presidential nominee is currently under investigation for ethics violations.

President Bush, John McCain and the rest of the republicans used fear (9/11) and lies (Where are the WMD?) to lead us into two wars with no end in sight. And for a grand finale hit the taxpayers with a $700+ Billion Dollar bill to bail out their buddies on Wall Street.

“The fundamentals of our economy are strong”, says John McCain. The reality is 159,000 hard working Americans lost their jobs in September 2008. 1.3 MILLION Americans received FORCLOSURE notices in 2007. 46 Million Americans do not have Health Insurance. 1.46 MILLION Americans filled for bankruptcy last year.

No Way, No How, No McCain

Posted by: lawrencehtx | October 5, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Witness the death throes of the McCain/Palin campaign ... aint' it sweet !
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Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 5, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

More of ths same. This taking off the glove and play dirty is more of the same George Bush's strategy. John Mccain is following the same play book in election
as well as policies.

Obama is right. John Mccain is more of George W. Bush

Posted by: kenny4 | October 5, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

SeedofChange,
You must be a complete moron to still be pushing the Obama is a Muslim mantra. Think for yourself. You have a computer, why don't you research the truth. I suspect you want to wallow in you ignorance.

Posted by: rpvmeyer | October 5, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Ya know, when I was an adolescent, I worked on a farm in Holliston, MA (even though I live in SoCal now)... But the guy I worked for (and broke my balls a lot) was a Mr. Nickerson of Out Post Farm Fame. Now HE was a HERO. This guy, and I saw the articles and meddles, crept up in back of a machine-gun nest and neutralized the enemy so that his fellow soldiers could continue to storm....Now THAT'S a HERO. He risked his life....He saved his fellow soldiers lives.

Why is it that McCain is a "hero" when it was really just "service"? Does being tortured by the VC make it heroic? Please, Mr. McCain, stop telling us all that we owe you somthin'
Thanks.

Posted by: JustinMcC | October 5, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Instead of talking about:
1. The Economy
2. Health Care
3. Education
4. The War

McCain/Palin instead results to Swift Boat-style attacks on Obama...The real negative is, they are dividing the nation by race...
SHAME ON YOU JOHN McCAIN!!!!

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 5, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

If you want to know who has someone in their campaign with terrorist ties use wiki and type Olando Bosch and Otto Reich.

Orlando actually blew up a plane with 73 passengers on route from VENEZUELA TO CUBA.
In 1968 Bosch was arrested in Florida for an attack on a Polish freighter with a 57 mm recoilless rifle.

Bosch said that all Cuban planes are fair target, THE BUSHES, PAPPA,w, and Jeb all have make excuses for a terrorist, but the main point here is that if McCain is going to smear Obama over terrorist he should not spit skyward as the spit is going to land on his face, what does all this have to do with McCain? Easy,Reich now serves as a policy adviser on Latin America for the John McCain's presidential campaign.

Posted by: corintonic | October 5, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

When you have lost on the merits, you can always try to win by being dishonest. The American people are fed up with the liars. This enhances Barack Obama's credibility as our future President

Posted by: gugeux | October 5, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

In case you all didn’t know it, John McCain is a pedophile that also enjoys having sex with strange men in public restrooms. At least using Sarah Palin’s current argument that certainly is the case. You see Sarah insists on stating that Barack Obama is a terrorist because of a remote association with a radical named Ayer’s…who 40 years ago allegedly helped commit some violent acts against the then Government of the United States. Of course Ayers, is alleged to have committed these crimes, but was acquitted because of illegal acts of the United States Government in attempting to prove their case. So, in other words, according to Ms. Palin, Sen. Obama is guilty of being a terrorist because he met a few times a man that was part of the anti-war movement…when Obama was 8.

And that brings me to my first sentence. Mark Foley, Republican Congressman from Florida, was just “let off” by the government after being caught sending sexual solicitations to minor boys on his government email account. And, I’m sure that everyone has heard of Senator Larry Craig, Republican from Idaho, that was caught attempting sexual solicitation in a public Men’s Room last year and pleaded guilty to that incident. Well, both of these men had worked and communicated with Sen. McCain on numerous occasions. So therefore McCain is a pedophile that enjoys having sex with strange men in public bathrooms. It has to be true because the McCain camp states that logic is flawless. That the nation doesn’t “know” Obama…I guess we don’t “know” McCain either.

And that brings me right to the point of this article. The Religious Right, of which Ms Palin is a staunch supporter, is rife with hypocrisy. They live for it. In fact their entire belief system is nothing but hypocritical acts. Take the professed belief in smaller government staying out of people’s lives…well unless it has to do with Abortion Rights, Homosexuality…uh…Sodomy…shall I go on? The “smaller” government adage is pretty much a lie too as in all cases of Republican Executive rule since WWII…the government has grown larger and deficits have increased. It’s an interesting little fact that Republican’s don’t like to talk about. Their unapologetic hypocrisy knows no bounds.

And then there’s a small point of Christianity…both McCain and Palin claim to be devout Christians…unimpeachable in their devotion to Christ. Yet there is a Commandment…the 9th to be exact that states: “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” What does that mean? Well it means that telling lies about other people is in fact a sin. And, in my Bible, all sins have the same weight…they all end in death.

So under Ms Palin and Sen. McCain's new "doctrine" anyone is immediately guilty of anything by remote association. That means that Ms Palin is gay…as she said she has gay friends…McCain must also be a torturing communists as he cavorted with them for 5 years. Come to think of it…since Ms Palin can see Putin’s head from her house…she must also be a Russian. Good God…do we really want to elect a pair of torturing communists to head our country?!! I think not. See how fun False Witnessing is!!!!

In any case…I don’t really think that McCain is a pedophile and bathroom, foot-tapper but according to Ms Palin’s Anti-Christian logic…he must be.

Posted by: SWMissouri | October 5, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

People who are working hard should not be penalized for their success. Yet who can argue against providing equal opportunity for all. It cost money for education - a necessity for success in this world. It costs money for health care without which if you get sick you have no chance of fighting to get your opportunity at success.

Level the playing field such that not just the children of super rich can get a chance to realize the American dream - but also the children of the struggling middle class.

Vote for equal opportunity to realize the American dream. Vote for change- Vote Obama

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

best way to show the mccain camp you don't approve of their slimy campaign - contribute contribute contribute - then call your friends and ask them to do the same.

Posted by: jerzygrl | October 5, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

So, McCain and Palin want to question Obama's patriotism?
Sounds like an attempt to revive McCarthyism.
I wonder if Palin knows what McCarthyism is.

Posted by: yihe94703 | October 5, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Swing-Voter | October 5, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain guru linked to subprime crisis
By LISA LERER | 3/28/08 2:06 PM EDT

The general co-chairman of John McCain’s presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today’s economic turmoil.

“A regulatory structure set up for banks in the 1930s needed to change because the nature of business had changed,” the Illinois senator running for president said in a New York economic speech. “But by the time [it] was repealed in 1999, the $300 million lobbying effort that drove deregulation was more about facilitating mergers than creating an efficient regulatory framework.”

Gramm’s role in the swift and dramatic recent restructuring of the nation’s investment houses and practices didn’t stop there.

A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations, Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS’s new investment banking arm.

Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.

For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS’s American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more than $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have so much.'" - Can somebody explain this to mr. Obama.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Appropriate use of the phrase "telegraphed by his aides" in the article. I thought the McCain crowd actually developed the Blackberry so they wouldn't have to deal with all those telegraph wires.

And, Obama people -- using "gamble" and "McCain" in the same sentence -- don't you know that compulsive gambling is an illness, "progressive in its nature, which can never be cured"? We shouldn't point out his illnesses, unless they might somehow be relevant to his candidacy.

Posted by: SaneInSeattle | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, the posts here show that Americans have been taken in. It is sad to see so many people branding each other derogatorily == liberals, conservatives and saying one brand or another is against the country.
What about dealing with the facts and the issues. after this fiasco of a bailout bill, it might be too late.

Posted by: bucnews | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Here they are quibbling about Obama's having served on a CHARITABLE board with a man that did something detestable 40 years ago? Sarah Palin = Unpatriotic Anti-American. Her HUSBAND is/was a member of the Alaska Secessionist Party, as in Seceding from the USA people... it doesn't get anymore unpatriotic and un-American than that... I guess that's the maverick thing to do.

Posted by: jcurphy | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain / Palin = Dictators

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone list a series of accomplishments that qualify Obama to be POTUS? Apart from going to college and law school?

Being a community agitator? Hardly.

Serving in the Illinois state senate where he voted present more than 90 times?

Serving in the U.S. senate for a little over a year where he missed almost 50% of the votes (see the WaPo profile)? I'm not talking about authoring legislation, but voting?

Anyone? How has he "changed" lives apart from developing a cultic following?

Posted by: freepost | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

What is a town hall debate? Is that where a Jerry Springer audience asks the questions? Surely they will screen the questions so gems like "do you think the country is ready for a black president" won't be asked. Is cheering and booing allowed? Are firearms checked at the door?

I want that kid who asked if McCain was worried he would die in office to be there.

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not a communist. Obama stands for a meritocracy based on equal opportunity. Thats what Democratic party stands for.

Today the conservative right focuses only on meritocracy but hates the concept of equal opportunity. A proof of which is its tirade against ACORN - a community of low and medium income families.

People who are working hard should not be penalized for their success. Yet who can argue against providing equal opportunity for all. It cost money for education - a necessity for success in this world. It costs money for health care without which if you get sick you have no chance of fighting to get your opportunity at success.

Level the playing field such that not just the children of super rich can get a chance to realize the American dream - but also the children of the struggling middle class.

Vote for equal opportunity to realize the American dream. Vote for change- Vote Obama

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

jothemedicaldoctor ,

holy mackeral, you paid morons are out in force today... spreading your stupid comments as if anyone believes this tripe you spew.

I guess your campaign is so desperate you have nothing else to lose, since they've already lost the respect many once may have had for McCain.

Posted by: michael4 | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not a communist. Obama stands for a meritocracy based on equal opportunity. Thats what Democratic party stands for.

Today the conservative right focuses only on meritocracy but hates the concept of equal opportunity. A proof of which is its tirade against ACORN - a community of low and medium income families.

People who are working hard should not be penalized for their success. Yet who can argue against providing equal opportunity for all. It cost money for education - a necessity for success in this world. It costs money for health care without which if you get sick you have no chance of fighting to get your opportunity at success.

Level the playing field such that not just the children of super rich can get a chance to realize the American dream - but also the children of the struggling middle class.

Vote for equal opportunity to realize the American dream. Vote for change- Vote Obama

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

WOW! McCain scares the hell out of me. I thought all the hatred and fear were of the Bush administration. I thought this was a new republican team. I just can't believe how desperate they became.

And Palin, she's like a "women scorned" with her finger on the trigger. Her past seems to expose her quick temperment.

If both these nuts get elected, chances are they'll be fighting for who gets to push the nuke button first.

Posted by: gopine | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

If you want to know who has someone in their campaign with terrorist ties use wiki and type Olando Bosch and Otto Reich.

Orlando actually blew up a plane with 73 passengers on route from VENEZUELA TO CUBA.
In 1968 Bosch was arrested in Florida for an attack on a Polish freighter with a 57 mm recoilless rifle.

Bosch said that all Cuban planes are fair target, THE BUSHES, PAPPA,w, and Jeb all have make excuses for a terrorist, but the main point here is that if McCain is going to smear Obama over terrorist he should not spit skyward as the spit is going to land on his face, what does all this have to do with McCain? Easy,Reich now serves as a policy adviser on Latin America for the John McCain's presidential campaign.

Posted by: corintonic | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Palin's comments are that of a desperate candidate. She can't argue well today's leading issues, so she resorts to a shallow smear tactic. Too bad. She carried herself so well in the debates, it put me nearer to the Obama/McCain fence. But this tactic of Palin's takes me right back into the Obama camp.

Posted by: Matt22 | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

United States Council for World freedom. Board of Directors and Advisory Board. 1986. 1 page.
This is an official list of 36 directors and advisors of USCWF, and almost all of the names include a line or two of identifying information. John Singlaub, a retired general with an intelligence background, has been chairman of USCWF since 1981, when he organized it as the new U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League. WACL, which was originally created by the intelligence services of Taiwan and South Korea for purposes of anti- Communist propaganda, has had a U.S. chapter since 1969. But the presence of former Nazis in the European chapters, and neo-Nazis elsewhere, caused splits on the U.S. end.
Singlaub's new chapter struck out in an activist direction by collecting tax-deductible contributions to support the contras. U.S. officials worked closely with USCWF, as well as with other pro-contra groups in the private sector. In 1985 the Miami Herald estimated that USCWF was sending up to $500,000 a month to the contras, in the form of nonlethal supplies that were usually shipped on U.S. military craft.

Search the NameBase site: While the best way to search for names is to use NameBase, most can also be found here by using only first and last name, separated by a single space, with no quotation marks.


Name index for U.S. Council World Freedom. Directors and Advisors. 1986

BISHOP JIM (HEARST CORP)
BOUSCAREN ANTHONY T
CAMARDESE N M
CARROLL J.A.
CHENNAULT ANNA CHAN
CHOPIWSKYJ WALTER
CONDON MARY HOPE
DOBRIANSKY LEV E
FISHER JOHN M
FORD LUCILLE G
GRAHAM DANIEL ORRIN
HURLBUT BERT
HUTCHINSON JOHN
JOHNSON W.A. (JOHN)
JUNG SAMMY Y
KNIGHT ALBION W
KUBEK ANTHONY
LEBOUTILLIER JOHN
MCCAIN JOHN S III (R-AZ)
MESSING ANDREW
MORRIS ROBERT (B.1915-09-30)
MORTENSEN RALPH
PARKER JAY A
PHILLIPS HOWARD
POSSONY STEFAN THOMAS
ROBERTS J.MILNOR
ROCHE GEORGE C III
ROTHSCHILD KATHLEEN TEAGUE
RUDD ELDON
SCHLAFLY J FRED
SINGLAUB JOHN K
SLEEPER RAYMOND S (COL)
SOLOMON GERALD B.H. (R-NY)
TSUAN VICTOR T.H.
TYSON JAMES L
UNITED STATES COUNCIL WORLD FREEDOM
WALT LEWIS W (GEN)

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Shall we now speak of the Keating 5 and the secessionist movement in Alaska?

Glass houses and first stones!!!

Posted by: genalex | October 5, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

One wants to say "McCain USED to be a man of honor ... " But no one who was "once" a man of honor would involve himself in such an intellectually and socially bankrupt campaign as the one he presumably is heading.

Posted by: dane1 | October 5, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

For those that keep crying about Obama raising taxes. You first have to a job before you can start worrying about taxes. And last I heard 157K just lost theirs. I'm sure they wish they could debate about taxes. But those without jobs or about to lose them should vote the candidate more likely to create jobs and that would be Obama.

Posted by: kvh1975 | October 5, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that McCain/Palin ticket is perfect, but Obama is dangerous to our way of life. His associations are dangerous, his socialistic believes will destroy this country. People use your brain, if you have one. It will be too late on November 5th.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Billy Holiday was accused of being a communist when she sang her protest song agains the lynchings of black.

Frank Sanatra was accused of being a communist because he was seen in the company of blacks.

The FBI and the Ku Klux Klan accused Martin L. King of being a communist because of his non-violent disobedience.

Michael Schwearner and Ronald Goodman were accused of being communists for helping blacks register to vote.

Alabama Gov. George C. Wallace ordered the bombing of the 16th Street Basptist Church in Bermingham Alabama on Sept. 15, 1963. He told the New York Times, the week before, that it was time for a few funerals.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Who heard? The only reason Palin's son is going to Iraq is because the judge said, "either that or jail," as a result of his dealing drugs.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone list a series of accomplishments that qualify Obama to be POTUS? Apart from going to college and law school?

Being a community agitator? Hardly.

Serving in the Illinois state senate where he voted present more than 90 times?

Serving in the U.S. senate for a little over a year where he missed almost 50% of the votes (see the WaPo profile)? I'm not talking about authoring legislation, but voting?

Anyone? How has he "changed" lives apart from developing a cultic following?

Posted by: freepost | October 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, this is the top online story! Can anyone explain to me the difference between washingDNCpost.com and barackobama.com? It's ok to want Obama to win. It's not ok to pretend to be a newspaper but really work for a campaign.

Posted by: SWFang | October 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Remember the KEATING FIVE!

From the comment of wileynash (October 5, 2008 6:32 PM), it seems he has no trouble supporting McCain for President, even though McCain was tagged with "poor judgment" in ethical matters by his fellow senators.

For me, that raises serious doubts about McCain's judgment and his ability to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


Posted by: HughBriss | October 5, 2008 7:00 PM
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EXACTLY!!! Excellent post

Posted by: washingtonstate2008 | October 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I heard "the obama" call mccain a liar,
and say he was dihonorable for running
such a sleazy campaign,
and somehow Mccain is 'smearing' obama

this is the pot calling the kettle black.

NOBAMA08

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

* Video: Sarah Palin addresses the Alaska Independence Party convention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI


In which she praises the AIP for its efforts, which are to get Alaska to secede from the union.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Paul Begala's comments on this morning's Meet the Press.
"McCain once "sat on the board of a very right wing organization," the U.S. Council for World Freedom, led by a retired Army Maj. General named John Singlaub. The Anti-Defamation League allegedly called the CWF's parent organization a gathering place for racists and anti-Semites."

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Remember the KEATING FIVE!

From the comment of wileynash (October 5, 2008 6:32 PM), it seems he has no trouble supporting McCain for President, even though McCain was tagged with "poor judgment" in ethical matters by his fellow senators.

For me, that raises serious doubts about McCain's judgment and his ability to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


Posted by: HughBriss | October 5, 2008 7:00 PM
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EXACTLY!!! Excellent post

Posted by: washingtonstate2008 | October 5, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are desperate and using Rove style cheap smears is sickening. Most Americans I know, yes, even including Republicans, are sick and tired of gutter politics and McCain should know better - it was used against him during the last elections. The fact is they haven't got anything else to sell. Obama has virtue and honesty on his side, unlike McCain and Palin.

Posted by: francinelast | October 5, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

obama will cut military spending,
no new weapons research,
no missile defense installations.
I'm glad that russia is our closest
ally, I see them spreading liberty
and democracy all over eastern europe.
obama will write a book and give a speech,
Putin will deploy T-72 Tanks,
I wonder who will be holding the high
ground in four years?
NOBAMA

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

the blame game,
issues?
obamabiden are parrots'
bush bush bush 4 more
years of bush,
squack, squack,
where are the 'issues'
you people are sad,
trying to save the world
from the comfort of your
hummers.
Do us a favor and have your
gardeners dig your grave
before you drink your obama
kool aid...

NOBAMA


Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 10:00 PM
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I support Obama, and I own a vehicle manufactured right here in the great ole' U S of A.

Truth be told, there are more Republicans in the top 10% of wealth of the nation.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 5, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"The Left has become the party
of intolerance. Their youth reminds me of the Brown Shirts in Germany in the 1930's. Here is one scary example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt6JWzBqLWs Posted by: sagereader"

I wasn't aware that the Hitler Youth were inspired to be the next automotive technicians and architects. I thought they smashed windows, broke people's teeth in and saw themselves as the Stoßtruppen of the Master Race, boy am I confused.

Oh! Wait, I get it!. It's 'cause those kids in the video are Black. Ooooh, Scarrrry!

I suppose that when the only actual Black person that comes into your town 'sagereader' is when people watch Oprah, then you'd be scared too.

But don't worry, 'sagereader' I'm sure your state militia is looking for new recruits.


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Posted by: el_barto | October 5, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Didn't they try this tactic early this year. Why are we back here again. ADD. Palin needs to explain her association with her husband who was a member of that group..I can't remember there name..but I think it had something to do with seperating from the U.S...Oh I guess that doesn't count because she was an elected official then and she was 45 years old when he left the group.

This is B.S. and it won't work. The only people that McCain is rallying are the people who were not going to vote for Obama anyway.

The undecided already heard this mess before and now retirement money is disappearing and jobs are being lost and McCain has no answers for that. It is truly sad that McCain/Palin believe people are dumb and have short-term memory.

McCain/Palin doesn't have a plan so their plan is to critize Obama's any chance they get.

Go straight to hell McCain/Palin!

Posted by: tluvdantz | October 5, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Remember what Bob Dylan sang:
"You don't ned a weatherman to know which the wind blows."

Palin and her defenders here need a weatherman.


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Maggie comes fleet foot
Face full of black soot
Talkin that the heat put
Plants in the bed but
The phones tapped anyway
Maggie says that many say
They must bust in early may
Orders from the d. a.
Look out kid
Dont matter what you did
Walk on your tip toes
Dont try no doz
Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You dont need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows
-Bob Dylan, 1965.

Posted by: edlharris | October 5, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Palin is not ready for anything much less the presidency, face it folks, McCain's age and health problems make that a high probability.

As for the lies and deceit that the GOP are so well know for, it isn't going to work, the American public is tired of it.

Obama is at least calm and collected, something the McCain camp has no clue about.

Palin as an attack dog is lame, she may be a pitbull with lipstick, but we all know the temperment of a pitbull, it is scary and unpredictable, something that describes Palin completely. Is that really what the public wants for a president?

Posted by: hmmmmmer | October 5, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah SeedofChange,

You love America the way Joe McCarthy did or Pat Robertson, or Jerry Falwell or Tom DeLay. How can you claim to love America when you would so willfully trample on the constitution? The constitution was wisely written to protect people from that kind of love.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

you want to talk about communist who do you think was behind the anti war movement in the 60s it was funded by the the communist the weather underground was one 2 the state of mo has obama police anyone that says anything obama does not like and you get put in the can

Posted by: getsix1 | October 5, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Do we want to live in an America where you are found guilty of associating with a terrorist for the crime of living in the same neighborhood with someone who is branded a terrorist, and did things that he was not convicted for 40 year ago, when you were 8 years old.

Please go beyond politics for a moment and think about what this really means. If someone lives in your neighborhood, maybe serves on the PTA with you, or is a fellow hockey mom and that person is accused of a crime do you want to be considered guilty by association, particularly when that person has not been convicted of any crime.

This accusation, proven false by every news report you see, cannot be considered true just because someone says it is so. If this can happen to Obama it could happen to you. Think about that for just a moment before you consider your partisan attacks. Think about the constitution for just a moment, the little things in there, like innocent until proven guilty.

You may not like it and you may not believe it, but a lot of our basic rights have been threatened over the last eight years, and this kind of accusation, while looking like nothing more than partisan politics is another threat to the base that keeps this country free. Accuse someone of being a terrorist, or associating with terrorist and they are considered guilty by nothing more than the accusation. That is a police state not the United States.

Posted by: Nataya1 | October 5, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Palin's friends are members of the secessionist party, the AIP.

No, that's not true. They are not her friends. HER HUSBAND IS A LONG TIME MEMBER OF THE AIP. She addressed the convention herself and told them to 'keep up the good work".

That good work is to secede from the union. Two options then, to become a nation, or to become a tax free commonwealth.

That's the Palin family plan for Alaska. McCain is in denial.
He picked a traitor.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 5, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Russian warships are headed to Venezuela to aid Chavez. The only anti-Chavez government in Latin America is Colombia, and the Democratic Party and candidates, including Obama, are actively punishing Colombia for alleged problems with labor unions.

The Democrats are indirectly helping Chavez by refusing to pass the free trade agreement with Colombia. As far as I am concerned, this aiding and abetting our enemies - Chavez and Putin.

Posted by: alance | October 5, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

obama is the new hitler,
he inspires class warfare
to further his political
aims.
germans love this guy!
americans? not so much.
30 days of the obama campaign
unraveling,
watch it and weep!
NOBAMA

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Please stop calling Palin a pit-bull! What an insult to that noble animal. As far as the barracudas are concerned, I have heard that they are upset as well. The only animals that were not upset with their connection to Plain; the jackals and the hyenas.

Posted by: fibonacci2 | October 5, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin.


Witchdoctor.


Enough said.

Posted by: bs2004 | October 5, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I suggest the McCain camp take notice of Chris's 'Please don't do it' plea.
The more hateful and divisive posts the McCain team put out on here and elsewhere; the more mud they sling the less respect we shall have for McCain.
A man who we believe to be a hero and a man of honour will be shown to be a man of straw with no shame and definitely no honour.
Please John do not lower yourself and the Republican party to gutter level. Republicans stink enough as it; don't allow the idiots in your campaign team to make it worse.
If you are to lose, for your sake, for your Party's sake and for your country's sake, do it with STYLE and DIGNITY.

Posted by: Charles15 | October 5, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever tried to out-wit a half-wit? It's impossible to one-up types like Palin when your best sarcasm, irony, and satire passes like the light of wisdom through their glass houses. As the brother of a Palin-clone, I've learned that one must speak "Salon" with lots of brand-name product metaphors and symbolism to make the connection. If the Obama/Biden campaign fails to win, it will be because its leaders held McCain and Palin (specifically) to standards of intellect they simply do not possess. One shouldn't make the error is thinking Palin is playing dumb while McCain is playing dead.

Obviously, Palin's ambition far outweighs her ability and talent. But don't fail to underestimate her appeal. See P. Hilton, J. Simpson, and other dumb foxes. Even if one grants all the partisan politicking slop and media spin, one cannot argue that Palin appears to have studied pages from "Legally Blonde" or "How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying." Knowing you look good, while looking good, is more than enough to sell many Americans. If intellectualism and quality won elections, we'd have collectively taken the "morning after" pill following the Reagan and Bush elections.

Posted by: greggbogreggbo | October 5, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

simonsays1 says nothing about Kissinger.
simon, says, 1

Posted by: edlharris | October 5, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Desperation is ugly and Mc Grumpy and Sarah the parrot have nothing else but to pander to their base of lesser educated crackers. America has seen this movie when we elected George W. Bush twice and we know how that has ended up. Vote Hope Not Fear America. I have personally met Barack Obama five times and he is the real deal He has superior intellect and integrity two strengths we cannot find in the current Republican clowns. We must restore Americas standing in the world and our economy. Iraq costs us 10 billion a month plus the loves of our troops and there is no such thing as Victory in the war we were lied into. General Petraeus who Mc Cain loves to mention said there is no such thing as victory Mr. Mc Same. The battleground states are now reflecting the fact that America is too smart to buy the same fears that Rove is trying to peddle to us again. Obama will win in a landslide and that my friends is a great thing for our country. OBAMANOS! YES WE CAN! SI SE PUEDE! Iam a decorated veteran who has a son in Iraq and I approve this message!

Posted by: pedraza1 | October 5, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

POW patriot provided propaganda to the

commies.

That's McCain.

see also Letterman Oct 2001, anthrax lies, by McCain in which he protected a 'source' who conducted false propaganda to lead the USA to war. That's a crime. McCain is covering for the "source" who used McCain to do FALSE propaganda.

That's the actual candidate, John McCain. Traitor and war criminal in hero's clothing.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 5, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

We need to know more about who Palin hangs out with.

Why aren't her supporters discussed in the NYT? What does she do in her spare time? I am sure she is not doing too much of caring for her family, going to soccer games, hanging out, hunting, fishing and running Alaska.

WILL SARAH PALIN TALK TO US ABOUT WHO SHE IS? WHAT SHE BELIEVES IN, WHO ARE HER MENTORS, WHAT SHE WANTS OUT OF LIFE, WHAT IS HER FAVORITE FOOD????

WHO ARE HER FRIENDS?

Posted by: tcaru001 | October 5, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

As did the former Democrat Prez of great fame, zobama has only to stain the dress of an intern the same way, and he will get the 70% of American female votes he needs.

Posted by: rivenq | October 5, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

SeedofChange: Ayers has a blog, not a website:

http://billayers.wordpress.com/

It's about education and parenting.

"William Ayers, Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), and founder of both the Small Schools Workshop and the Center for Youth and Society, teaches courses in interpretive and qualitative research, urban school change, and teaching and the modern predicament. A graduate of the University of Michigan, the Bank Street College of Education, and Teachers College, Columbia University, Ayers has written extensively about social justice, democracy and education, the political and cultural contexts of schooling, and the meaning-making and ethical purposes of students and families and teachers. His articles have appeared in many journals including the Harvard Educational Review, the Journal of Teacher Education, Teachers College Record, Rethinking Schools, the Nation, the New York Times and the Cambridge Journal of Education. His books include A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court (Beacon Press, 1997), The Good Preschool Teacher: Six Teachers Reflect on Their Lives, (Teachers College Press, 1989), and To Teach: The Journey of a Teacher, (Teachers College Press, 1993) which was named Book of the Year in 1993 by Kappa Delta Pi, and won the Witten Award for Distinguished Work in Biography and Autobiography in 1995."

Posted by: vbrago | October 5, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

This is becoming the McCain Circus of Travelling Loonies. Let's not give Mister POW the controls of this nation - he'll just crash it into the ground like every other plane he's gotten into.

Posted by: treetopflyer | October 5, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Can't... can't we all just... get along?

Posted by: gerard2003 | October 5, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

the blame game,
issues?
obamabiden are parrots'
bush bush bush 4 more
years of bush,
squack, squack,
where are the 'issues'
you people are sad,
trying to save the world
from the comfort of your
hummers.
Do us a favor and have your
gardeners dig your grave
before you drink your obama
kool aid...

NOBAMA

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama clinches on Rove map
By: Mike Allen
October 5, 2008 11:19 AM EST

With 30 days until Nov. 4, Karl Rove projects that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) would get at least 273 electoral votes – three more than are needed to win – if the presidential election were held today.

But Rove warns that this race is “susceptible to rapid changes,” so no definite prediction is possible.

The remarkable forecast from the architect of the last two nationwide political victories underscores the straits that have rapidly enveloped Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) as the banking and credit crisis spread.

Rove writes on Rove.com: “39 new state polls released in the first three days of October have given Barack Obama his first lead over the magic number of 270 since mid-July. Minnesota (10 EV) and New Hampshire (4 EV) both moved from toss-up to Obama, giving him 273 electoral votes to McCain’s 163, with 102 votes remaining as a toss-up.

“If the election were held today, Obama would win every state John Kerry won in 2004, while adding New Mexico (5 EV), Iowa (7 EV), and Colorado (9 EV) to his coalition. Remember, though, that these state polls are a lagging indicator and most do not include any surveying done after the vice-presidential debate on Thursday night.”

Rove cautioned on “Fox News Sunday”: “Remember, the campaign ebbs and flows. What we're seeing here is a result of the focus of the American people, voters, on the economic problems that have dominated the news the last several weeks. What's happened then is a shift to Obama.

“Just remember, 17 days ago in the electoral college, McCain led 227 to 216. Fifteen days ago, on the eve of the news on the bailout, he led 216-215.This race is susceptible to rapid changes and we're likely to see, in the remaining four weeks, more changes.”

On “Meet the Press” on Sunday, NBC News Political Director Chuck Todd said Obama is still one state away from solidifying the 270 electoral votes he needs to win the White House. Colorado, Virginia or Florida would put it away for Obama if the election were held today, Todd said.

“Even if it’s Nevada [making the total] 269, it sends it to the House, where Democrats have an advantage,” Todd said. “As it stands today, John McCain would have to run the table. Now, good news for him: They’re all states that voted Republican four years ago.

“However, he’s behind right now a little bit in Ohio. There’s a dispute of who’s ahead or who’s behind in Florida but it feel as if Obama’s a little bit ahead in Florida. Obama’s a little bit ahead in Colorado. And it’s a dead even race in Virginia. Dead even in Nevada. And even Missouri, which we almost put in tossup this week, is getting very close, where McCain just has a very narrow lead.”

Todd said a landslide could be 364 electoral votes – “the high-water mark.” In 1980, Ronald Reagan got 489. In 1988, George H.W. Bush got 426. “The McCain folks now have to hold everything … to keep this thing competitive,” Todd said.

Mike Murphy, a Republican strategist who was the architect of McCain’s 2000 campaign said on “Meet the Press”: “It’s McCain’s barn that’s on fire. … Thirty days out, I think McCain can win. But the fact is, [if the] election were held today, he’d lose. And I think he’s on a losing path.

“I think the McCain campaign has to look in the mirror now and decide, do we need to change up the strategy? They’ve been running the grinding campaign on Obama. There’s a lot of good things to attack Obama about – people have a lot of doubts about Obama. But they’ve got to fix McCain. McCain has to connect with voters on the economy. He’s got to get ticket-splitters. Get out of base Republican issues and get people who are worried about the economy and health care over. Or in this anti-Republican environment, this trend line is very, very bad.”

Appearing with Murphy, Democratic consultant Paul Begala, who helped mastermind Bill Clinton’s 1992 win, said he had talked to the Obama high command. “They’re flooding the zone,” Begala said. “They’re going into places where Democrats used to never dare go. Indiana! I cannot believe we’re sitting here 30 days before an election, talking about Indiana, a potential tossup state. Or North Carolina and Virginia.

“Barack Obama would be the first non-Southerner from my party to carry a Southern state since JFK – before I was born, before Barack was born. This is an incredible map.”


Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 5, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

sallieismydog: were these lawsuits heard yet
about mccain's birth certif.?

Yes, mostly. The article mentions three, I know two were dismissed; no clue on a third, if there is a third. The link below is about the Obama case, but has links to the 2 McCain ones.

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/mr-bergs-standi.html

Posted by: AnnaLovesBooks | October 5, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Someone asked Palin if she had opened Pandora's Box by accusing Obama of consorting with terrorists. She said: "No, but some of my best friends are gay."

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

The Left has become the party
of intolerance. Their youth reminds me of the Brown Shirts in Germany in the 1930's. Here is one scary example:
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Incidentally, Nazis hated the left - the communists. Nazis were ultra nationalists -something that todays Republican party might morph into. Nazis invaded other countries because they felt their ideology was superior to the rest.

The current Republican Neo Con agenda of spreading our ideals to the rest of the world is not that far away from Nazi agenda.

A Vote for McCain would be a vote for ultra nationalists who consider protesting against war unpatriotic. A vote for McCain would be legitemizing a war launched on the basis of lies.

The day of judgement is nigh. Vote for redemeption of America. Vote for Change. Vote for Obama.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

ANCHORAGE (AP) — Seven Alaska state employees have reversed course and agreed to testify in an abuse-of-power investigation against Gov. Sarah Palin.
Well well well; along with KEATING 5, and all Mccains other reckless screwups, maybe WE DONT KNOW WHO PALIN IS!!

hahahahahahahaha!

the REAL MCCAIN???

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: ukeman | October 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

For those who are buying into McCain's Swift Boat-style effort of tying Obama to William Ayers's illegal activity (for God's sake, Obama was 8 years old and living in Jakarta when Ayers was working with the Weather Underground), perhaps you would like to read the words published in March 2008 by Jerome Corsi, the master of swift boating and the Republican's attack dog, about John McCain:

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain has enjoyed strong support from a lobbyist group that backs the Kosovo Liberation Army despite allegations the KLA is a Muslim terrorist group with ties to criminal drug networks and al-Qaida.

So it seems that McCain has also been associated terrorists.

Who knows, maybe at some point in your lives, you have been in the same room or even in the same organization as a criminal. Does that mean you condone or are sympathetic to what they have done?


Posted by: emm2 | October 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Did Palin Buy Votes?

Did Gov. Palin, in August 2008, buy votes for the McCain ticket when she approved the $1,200 rebate for each Alaskan?

Alaska Legislature passes $1,200 energy rebate
Steve Quinn/The Associated Press

Originally published Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 9:06 p.m.
Updated Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 11:25 p.m.


By STEVE QUINN

Associated Press Writer

JUNEAU — Most Alaskans are $1,200 richer.

That’s because the Alaska Legislature backed Gov. Sarah Palin’s call for an energy assistance package in a special session that ended just hours before its 11:59 p.m. Thursday deadline.

An energy bill and an accompanying appropriations bill are worth close to $1 billion. Both await Palin’s signature. The Legislature also supported Palin’s suspension of the state’s 8 cent a gallon fuel sales tax.

In a statement, Palin praised lawmakers for 60 days of special session work that also featured the approval of a license to a Canadian company to pursue a natural gas pipeline project.

http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/07/alaska-legislature-passes-1200-energy-rebate/

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

SeedofChange,

Actually I suspect you haven't read it. You may have read that other book though.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"judgewisely",

That tax reduction for 95% just happens to be what our Dem Gov. and his one-party rulers in both chambers said about Marylanders... if you believe that sh$$t you are out of your fcukking mind... pick another subject to go at the Pubs... even I won't buy into that one...

"NOt a DEMocrat, not a rePUBLICAN" -- NoDemPublican!

Bring on the third party candidates...

Posted by: srb2 | October 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

It becomes more and more apparent everyday that a McCain/Palin administration would not be the SAME as 4 more years of Bush. It would be worse, much much WORSE.

Posted by: pax_vobiscum2002 | October 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Hundreds of flights leave America every day. When President Obama is sworn in, feel free to get on one.

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Those who oppose Obama "love America" and they are "proud of America" every day of their life.

They are going now where. Kerry supporters considered Canada. I presume this cycle same destination is the top choice of Obama bots :-)

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

What is a pal? Hanging out?

The lies of Sarah Palin.

We can write a book next year, about a socio-path as VP candidate, when she is in prison for her several crimes against the state.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 5, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Now it becomes apparent who launched all of the allegations about Obama being a radical muslim! Palin is only digging a grave for herself aligning with smears that will link her to being part of the McCain smear machine... It is clear now that she will do anything that Dark Lord McCain tells her to, including ignoring debate questions, avoiding the media, and spreading lies about Obama... She is getting set up for a great fall that will end her career in politics after loosing this race, you heard it here first.

McCain sits behind the curtains preparing her speeches while she grows into a raspy voiced loudspeaker for all things awful McCain wants to spew out to the public... Why? Because she looks better than him. Its a plan that will fail, but its diabolical and psychologically manipulative in the worst way... points to him for that. Obama will do justice by laying back ane letting her stick her own foot in her mouth, and McCain can continue his campaign of smoke and mirrors, remeber, this makes him a 2 time looser, its amazing to me that footage from his past campaign is not shown now, why? Because he's changed, even though he can't offer change.

VOTE OBAMA.

Posted by: jack5 | October 5, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

SEEDOFCHANGE,
BUSH WAS OSAMA GOOD FRIEND,AND STILL HIS FAMILY FRIEND MAKE BUSINESS WITH THEM...I MEAN OILLLLLLLL(PETROLEUM)

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 5, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

freepost voted democratic all their life. Yup and I'm Buggs Bunny. If you want people to believe your nonsense then leave out the middle name for the "scare" effect. Another sad RNC/Palin-McCain troll.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

SeedofChange,

Gosh! You know so much! Only a person who was actually there and told you could have enlightened you so!
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Read the Quran of Obama Bots, Obama's own life story.

You will find about his muslim father, muslim step father, and the other associations.

Willima Zayad Bin Ayers story is only new saga in Obama's story, the "wildest dream" come try of "Osama"

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hundreds of flights leave America every day. When President Obama is sworn in, feel free to get on one.

Posted by: swrightsr | October 5, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, hanging out with a terrorist who bombed Federal Buildings is just about the same as firing an insubordinate employee...

Posted by: PASpilman | October 5, 2008 9:43 PM

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Palin claim about Obama: "...he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

"Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/

Posted by: August83 | October 5, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Lancaster, Penn. Sept 2008

"tell me what I have to say
to convince you I won't take
your guns; and I'll say it"

B.OBAMA

all talk, no convictions,

NOBAMA

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Pitbull? No. Liar. Viper.

Let's look at the facts.

Palin is a three time criminal. She is a perversion upon the landscape, who uses Yahoo so her work cannot be subpoena'd and so she escapes the freedom of information act. She is now being sued by REPUBLICANs, for not adhering to the law in her own state.
The attempt on her part to ban books from the library in Wasilla? Anyone care? The GOP says, it was "just" a 'what if' question. No, PALIN didnt just ask "what if", SHE ASKED THIS QUESTION: WHAT IF I WANT TO BAN SOME BOOKS FROM THE LIBRARY!! When the librarian refused, the librarian was fired. The fact that the town insisted on stopping that bully tactic is twisted that the librarian was not fired. Actually, she was fired and then reinstated. That firing is like the current abuse of power investigaton against Palin.

Palin is the perfect person for a Republican GOP VP candidate.
Like Cheney, who 'lost' the emails for the IRAQ war, she used Yahoo so no one could tell what she is doing, and so she had her work posted on the internet because she was not using a secure system, and that's illegal. She's a criminal.
The bit about Obama is a lie. Soon she will be wearing a bracelet, kept under house arrest.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 5, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

StarsAndStripesForever..

You continue to write stupid comments.

Posted by: michael4 | October 5, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I loved listening to Palin last week at the debate. You really have to re-read the transcript to actually believe what you heard.

She speaks in Palindromes. If you read it forward or backwards, it makes as much sense either way.

Very entertaining to say the least.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 5, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's see...

McCain, admitted womanizer who left his first wife after she was disfigured in a crash....

Second McCain wife is a recovering pill user...

Palin's husband wants to Alaska to suceed from the United States...

McCain later becomes a political advocate for Charles Keating. Keating is the most publicized face of the last financial crash in the United States, the Savings and Loan scandals where Keating and others took depositors investments and made very risky investments (going against traditional S&L ethics). On Keating's behalf, McCain argues for deregulation of Savings and Loans institutions (hmmm, and all of a sudden McCain is a "regulator" after this recent financial crash) and in return, McCain receives political contributions from Keating's firm, while Keating's investors (everday people and their bank accounts) watch their savings disappear. Keating is later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy.


If the McCain campaign wants to drag this into the gutter, they're so covered in sh*t that they'll need to douse themselves in cologne to mask their own stench. They can no longer win it on the issues and they can only hope if they can take so much sh*t off themselves and throw it at Obama, then they may have a chance

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | October 5, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to these neo-cons relentless efforts to piss me off, I just sent in a contribution to Obama's campaign.

There is a very special place in hell for the neo-cons, with tons of oil to keep it toasty.

Posted by: DrWho2 | October 5, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

obama anounced his senate campaign
in William Ayers Living Room?
and Tony Rezko was on his senate
finance committee?

This man is a disturbing
sociopath.

NOBAMA!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

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It's Funny McCain should mention being associated with terrorists.

Yet one of McCain's best friends is responsible for the death of innocent civilians. Henry Kissinger began secret talks with North Vietnam in 1969 in the hopes of reaching a settlement to the Vietnam War. At the same time, though, he counseled Nixon to increase bombing of North Vietnam and to expand the war into Cambodia and Laos.

Because of Kissinger the air force started bombing Cambodia killing many innocent civilians and causing a civil war that left millions dead.

Yet McCain has called Henry Kissinger a close friend and a great statesman.

Here is McCain pallin' around with one of the great war criminals of the modern era
Yet he wants to indict Obama for living in the same neighborhood as Bill Ayers. Who did Ayers kill again? Yet Kissinger, McCain's best friend, is singularly responsible for expanding the Vietnam war into Cambodia.

But don't listen to me, look at the facts: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html


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Posted by: el_barto | October 5, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna ignore this and talk about how my pig stubbed its toe when coming out the bathroom after putting on lipstick.

I mean, gosh, how fewer toes must a pig have to have in order to avoid stubbing it. Can't a pig ever get a break. Oink, oink.

Posted by: Dave27 | October 5, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

The Left has become the party
of intolerance. Their youth reminds me of the Brown Shirts in Germany in the 1930's. Here is one scary example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt6JWzBqLWs

Posted by: sagereader | October 5, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

SeedofChange is a paid, maligning, racist RNC/Palin-McCain troll. And not a very good one either.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

have you obamabots done your community
service for having the pleasure of watching
your blessed chosen one in Denver.
taxation without representation
started a revolution.
a very unpatriotic revolution.
we still have our guns...
democrats...
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Another mindless McCain drone. Obama's tax plan will reduce the taxes on 95% of Americans who earn less than 250,000 pya. Those who have to be afraid are the 5% of super rich like Rush Limbaugh, Cindy McCain, Bill OReilly, Sean Hannity et.al.

The 5% of the super rich who dont think it is their patriotic duty to stand up and pay for the bill we collectively face. Who will pay for our idiotic wars? - The struggling middle class or our children. When will the super rich stand up and pay what is due of them fairly?

When will the Republicans realize it is our duty to balance our books. For how long are we going to borrow from Chinese.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN PALIN ALERt:
time for all gop knuckledragging racist bigots to crawl out from under their rocks and spew the hatred that underlies their lilly white hypocritical facade.
Hopefully there are enough dems and indies to save them from their masters who are laughing as they line their pockets with BIG OIL MILITARY INDUSTRIAL $$$$ and you peons are readying for the soup kitchens.
Oh and same goes for the repug shills that make billions spouting right wing talking points on the air for BIG OIL MILITARY INDUSTRY to you repub robots.
Hopefully we can save you from yourselves and for your children too.

Posted by: ukeman | October 5, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Old news! Yeah, another version of Obama saying that "they will tell you that I don't look like those other presidents on the dollar bills".

Next!

Barack's buddy, Ayers, was right about one thing - his kids should have killed their parents long ago. LMAO!

Posted by: magellan1 | October 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I've voted Democratic my whole life and I never had these fears about Mondale, Dukakis Clinton, Kerry, etc. Although Bill ran with some pretty unsavory characters they all pale in comparison to Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: freepost | October 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Why does the Obama campaign even respond to any of this directly? If their whole purpose is to elevate the discourse and talk about the issues, why don't they just do that, instead of even acknowledging these stupid distractions by addressing them? Can't they just say explicitly "We're just going to ignore the swiftboating and talk about Healthcare today." That way the mainstream media can play that line over and over again and it will make Palin look like the tool she is.

Posted by: AsgharF | October 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

AMERICA AMERICA LAND OF THE NATIVES,HOME OF EVERYBODY!!!
WE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT IT,WE LIKE OR NOT.
OBAMA BIDEN 08....!!!!

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Osama's “dream” was to strike the Twin Towers. His “wildest dream” was to see the Twin Towers tumble to ground.

Osama long term “dream” was to see American economy kneel to the ground. Thank you Bush.

Osama's “wildest dream” will be a see a Muslim leading the USA to abyss.

Obama is Osama's wildest dream come true.

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Pubs playing the patriotism card and Dems playing the race card.

Must be Dems and Pubs and... CAMPAIGN OH-EIGHT!

"Did not!"

"Did too!"

"Did not!"

"Did too!"

"Did not!"

"Did too!"

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Posted by: srb2 | October 5, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

have you obamabots done your community
service for having the pleasure of watching
your blessed chosen one in Denver.
taxation without representation
started a revolution.
a very unpatriotic revolution.
we still have our guns...
democrats...
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Another mindless McCain drone. Obama's tax plan will reduce the taxes on 95% of Americans who earn less than 250,000 pya. Those who have to be afraid are the 5% of super rich like Rush Limbaugh, Cindy McCain, Bill OReilly, Sean Hannity et.al.

The 5% of the super rich who believe dont think it is their patriotic duty to stand up and pay for the bill we collectively face. Who will pay for our idiotic wars? The struggling middle class. When will the super rich stand up and pay what is their due?

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The Most Dangerous Man,
is one who professes his
intelligence,
upon others"

NOBAMA!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Swiftboat? Funny, I didn't think that Obama was in the military? Oh, I forgot Obama once "considered" it.

What "smears" is Barack referring to? All of the unanswered questions about his past, his judgement, and his associations?

My goodness, this guy sat in a racist church for 20 years, was married by the racist preacher, had his kids baptized by the racist preacher, and socialized with him. As soon as the preacher became a liability, Obama threw him under the bus. So, asking questions about this is somehow wrong? Do I have to worry about Obama's "truth squad" suing me into silence? Hmmmm... sounds like a tactic that CAIR would use.

Dare I ask questions about his relationship with the convicted felon Tony Rezko? Obama spent a lot of time with this unsavory character and even got a sweetheart deal from Rezko. Why can't we ask questions and get some straight answers? Do I have to worry that Obama's truth squads are going to bust my doors down?

The list goes on and on, Khalidi at Columbia, Bill Ayers in Chicago, Samantha Power at Harvard, Franklin Raines of Fannie Mae...

Time is short and I can't detail each and every one of them. Do your homework before it's too late.

Posted by: freepost | October 5, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

SeedofChange,

Gosh! You know so much! Only a person who was actually there and told you could have enlightened you so! Or maybe you were there and know all this from first hand experience since these aren't just facts but intimate knowledge of what other human beings were thinking.

Or maybe you are just a maligning RNC/Palin-McCain racist troll.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Ooh boy, so let's see... Barack Obama sat on a board of directors with someone who was involved in anti-war activities when Obama was eight, because both men wanted to help Chicago schoolchildren to a better future. This is the best the McCain campaign can come up with to talk about?

Meanwhile, one of John McCain's chief fundraisers gave millions of dollars to a Columbian group who is on the STATE DEPARTMENT'S LIST OF TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS. And he's not even hammering McCain over it.

Which should you care about, if either? I'm going with the fundraising for people who are known to be kidnapping children and killing people NOW in South America. But I'm just funny that way I guess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/02/mccain-fundraiser-oversaw_n_110354.html


Posted by: B2O2 | October 5, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Now that we’ve committed $750 Billion to the Bailout, Obama’s Health Plan proposal for insuring 47 Million Americans with public funding is as obsolete as a recipe for Roast Dodo and as meaningful as an Edict from the Commissioner of the More Taste League.

Posted by: thecannula | October 5, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

This 1989 Phoenix New Times News article on the "Keating Five scandal" in which McCain was implicated may be fair game as well:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1

Posted by: midas20874 | October 5, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"'Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist or had a convicted felon help them buy their house, because those aren't smears. Those are true facts about Barack Obama,' Bounds said"

obama never befriended ayers and rezko most certainly was not a convicted felon when obama dealt with him. these are just plain lies. the keating 5 story, however, is true, and i want to hear about nothing but the keating 5 until election day.

mccain is a liar and he is one of the keating 5--those are the two big stories here.

Posted by: comments99 | October 5, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The best thing about the 2nd ammendment,
is that we will not need it,
until they try to take it away"

Thomas Jefferson

NOBAMA!!!!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, I am so glad that we are given the 'true' facts about Obama as opposed to the 'untrue' facts about him. Thank goodness for those honest people in the GOP.

Here is another 'true' fact. Palin pretends that she reads newspapers whereas I do read them and I can tell you their titles. That is because I do not tell lies.

Here is another 'true' fact: Palin knows all about the world even though she does not read newspapers. She lives next door to two foreign countries, Canada (which she cannot see from her porch) and Russia which she cannot see from her porch).

Another 'true' fact: Sarah likes moose burgers and if John McCain dies of a heart attack we will just love having President Sarah Palin in the White House. It will get even better when Todd waves to us from the balcony every morning in his jocks.

But there is an even better 'true'fact: President Palin will appont Homer Simpson as her VP. If he won't take the job then his friend Barney will step in.

Another 'true' fact: These two Joe Six Packs will make the grade at Moe's Bar.

Another 'true' fact: The USA makes the world cringe. It does not want Iran to have nukes while it has thousands of them. However, it wants Dopey Sarah to have her finger on the trigger.

This is the lady who suggested that the US should go to war to make sure that Georgia and the Ukraine get into NATO and to to do if Putin attacks them.

Does the GOP have anymore 'true' facts for us?

Obama will win. McCain will expose himself as having hate in his guts rather than attractive policies in his head.

Palin will, hopefully, fade into obscurity.

Posted by: robertjames1 | October 5, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Helen - if everyone that get's ticked off by the ridiculous campaign tactics of McCain just sends in another small donation, how great would that be? Just give the RNC more of those "pesky" little donors to worry about!

Posted by: jerzygrl | October 5, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

One thing Democrats need to understand in national elections is that, if the Republicans are busy defending themselves about their own record, maybe they won't have as much time to stage phony attacks.

So, Senator Obama, I guess I do not understand why we have yet to hear much about the "Keating 5.' If the shoe was on the other foot, that is all we would be hearing about right now, especially in the wake of another financial fiasco, that McCain (and his campaign manager) helped perpetuate.

And, in the spirit of the campaign that John McCain would like to run....

Why do both Palin and McCain feel that rape victims should foot the bill to pay for their own sexual assault examinations?

The Planned Parenthood political ad on the subject, and the story (with links to let you research for yourself), are at:

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/palin-mccain-believe-rape-victims.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 5, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

have you obamabots done your community
service for having the pleasure of watching
your blessed chosen one in Denver.
taxation without representation
started a revolution.
a very unpatriotic revolution.
we still have our guns...
democrats...

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, hanging out with a terrorist who bombed Federal Buildings is just about the same as firing an insubordinate employee...

Posted by: PASpilman | October 5, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

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The republican party better wake up and smell the roses! All they care about is less taxes and could care less about the state of affairs, our country is in. All you so called Conservitives that say God is our savior are nothing but hipocrites!!!
You use every excuse except the right one, you are all racists when it comes to Obama.
You try to say if your against the war,you are not patriotic, well, let me just say this: Anytime one you your so called patriots want to test ours, be my guess, we will see who is a patriot!!! And please don't insult my inteliegence with Miss Six Packs Palin.For those of you who thinks she is ready to be the president of the USA,NEED TO BE IN Irag, fighting with the Terriosts!!!

Posted by: jarnold777 | October 5, 2008 9:33 PM


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The republican party better wake up and smell the roses! All they care about is less taxes and could care less about the state of affairs, our country is in. All you so called Conservitives that say God is our savior are nothing but hipocrites!!!
You use every excuse except the right one, you are all racists when it comes to Obama.
You try to say if your against the war,you are not patriotic, well, let me just say this: Anytime one you your so called patriots want to test ours, be my guess, we will see who is a patriot!!! And please don't insult my inteliegence with Miss Six Packs Palin.For those of you who thinks she is ready to be the president of the USA,NEED TO BE IN Irag, fighting with the Terriosts!!!The republican party better wake up and smell the roses! All they care about is less taxes and could care less about the state of affairs, our country is in. All you so called Conservitives that say God is our savior are nothing but hipocrites!!!
You use every excuse except the right one, you are all racists when it comes to Obama.
You try to say if your against the war,you are not patriotic, well, let me just say this: Anytime one you your so called patriots want to test ours, be my guess, we will see who is a patriot!!! And please don't insult my inteliegence with Miss Six Packs Palin.For those of you who thinks she is ready to be the president of the USA,NEED TO BE IN Irag, fighting with the Terriosts!!!



Posted by: jarnold777 | October 5, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Patriotism may be the last refuge of a scoundrel but there's plenty of room for morally (and financially) bankrupt republicans as well.

When ever cornered by logic or threatened
by defeat they play the patriotism card.

Whatever the subject: wealth, corruption,
lobbyists, loss of basic liberties, war , torture, terrorism or a drop in the polls, there is no end of use for the patriotism card.

So you can imagine their chagrin when Joe Biden tried to use it against them by merely observing that paying taxes could be patriotic.

This could not be tolerated. McCain, the Pope of Patriotism, called it sacrilege and pronounced all claims of patriotic taxpaying to be .... unpatriotic.

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

the left has become the party
of intolerance.
and the divisive one'
preaches to the choir'
GODDAMN AMERICA!
GODDAMN AMERiCA!

Nobama08
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God will certainly NOT BLESS those who wage war on LIES or fabricated intelligence. So repent fool. The day of judgement could come any day soon.

If you want any sort of redemption for America throw the thugs and the party of thugs - the republicans who decieved us into waging a war against those who did us no harm.

Obama 08

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Here is what Joe McCain, a Navy veteran, said at an event in Loudoun County, Va:

"I've lived here for at least 10 years and before that about every third duty I was in either Arlington or Alexandria, up in communist country,"

And here is what Palin thinks of women who don't vote for her:

"I'm reading on my Starbucks mocha cup, okay? The quote of the day... It was Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State [crowd boos] and UN ambassador. ... Now she said it, I didn't. She said, 'There's a place in Hell reserved for women who don't support other women.'"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S03ZfFf_gGQ

Really now? Has it come to this? How can anyone vote for McCain/Palin?!

Posted by: August83 | October 5, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent voter and absolutely sickened by the McCain campaign's new tactics. They should be ashamed - so much for getting away from politics as usual. Disgusting. I live in Maine where McCain has diverted some of the money from Michigan in hopes of gaining some of our electoral votes (unlike the rest of the country our electoral votes are split). This has made up my mind - I am unquestionably voting for Obama. Good luck to McCain--hopefully all voters will see through this and punish McCain for his diversionary tactics and dishonesty, I know Mainers will.

Posted by: mainegirl | October 5, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me?

I don't think John McCain wants to play this game. The mud slings both ways.

Can you spell Keating Five? 1989 Savings and Loan collapse.

Can you spell Phil Gramm? AUTHOR of the bill that deregulated Wall Street and got us into this mess and John McCains' advisor for eons.

No, I don't think the McCain campaign wants to see video of these proud moments replayed on every news outlet in the country.

Posted by: smalltowngirl1 | October 5, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

This is what America is going to look like shortly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdj5yye_G80&feature=related

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

bush has outsmarted the dems for 8 years they have had hearings one after another and what do they have for it not one thing for it so can any of the arm chair lawyers come up with one real law he broke in office i mean a real law not something that came from tv

Posted by: getsix1 | October 5, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters: commenting on an article is fine, but what is MORE important is contributing to our candidate. I send money every month...join in and help!

Posted by: HelenSpringer | October 5, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Palin is funny, just look at Tina Fey using her very words. The only bad part of Obama winning the election is Fey loses her audience share mimicking her and we all don't get to laugh ourselves off the chair.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Can you say Keating 5?
Can you say Troopergate?
Can you say Sara is a fraud?
Can you say 30 years of erratic self centered Mccain-first career? See Rolling Stone article ; READ why Mccain is like Bush on STeroids; much worse and more dangerous than Bush.
Why Mccain Palin is the worst/weakest ticket since Goldwater.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: ukeman | October 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama thinks he can "prepare" his audience to the attacks from McCain, with the able support of The Post! But does this "fore warning" answer the real questions about Obama's character? First - he is a friend of terrorist Bill Ayers. Second - he made money out of his association with the convict Rezko. Third - he attended the rabid white hater and anti American pastor Jeremiah Wright's sermons for 20 long years; yet he claims he never heard Jeremiah's fulminations! And very conveniently he disowned this mad pastor! Fourth - he never took a stand where his character would be exposed. He chickened out by marking "present" over 300 times in the Ilinois and US Senates and avoiding voting! Fifth - despite utter lack of experience and zero accomplishments he reeks of elitism and intellectual arrogance. He looks down upon people with lower levels of education and articulation. He even had the audacity hurling at Hillary the supercilious comment "you are likable enough" and to suffering middle America "you cling to your guns and religion out of bitterness"!

Is McCain wrong in hitting Obama hard on these serious flaws in his character??? Clearly Obama is the most unfit person to be President of our country. In stark contrast McCain is a true war hero whose courage is legendary, whose ability to secure cooperation of Democrats is well established and whose personal integrity is beyond question. To every patriotic American the choice is a no brainer - onward and upward with McCain!

Posted by: padmanabhan40 | October 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama’s muslim mother and father:

1. Mother married a muslim man who already had multiple wives in Kenya

2. Mother married a second muslim man to help bring up her “only child” after first husband left her

3. Mother moved her “only child” to Indonesia to provide a muslim environment and life style for her only child. Indonesia is the largest muslim country in the world and site of “Bali bombing”. Indonesia is a terrorist hot bed.

4. Obama has no record of participating in Christian church activities in his early age

5. Obama has no record of participating in Christian church during college years.

6. Obama has no record of church activities after his graduation

7. Obama started church activities after he decided to run for public office and started participating in voter sign up activities. His church leader Wright is friend with Farrahkhan

8. Obama’s relation with Farrahkhan is unknown at this time

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna continue to ignore this and talk about how my pig stubbed its toe when coming out the bathroom after putting on lipstick.

I mean, gosh, how fewer toes must a pig have to have in order to avoid stubbing it. Can't a pig ever get a break. Oink, oink.

Posted by: Dave27 | October 5, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I wish I knew where John McCain the war hero went to. This can't possibly be the same man - that man had integrity and honor. I hope this is something he can live with 5 years down the road as he explains to his grandchildren what an "honorable" campaign he ran. How can he explain that he sold his soul to the devil for a chance to win the presidency? How embarrassing for what I used to think was a great man. Sad, truly sad.......

Posted by: jerzygrl | October 5, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama thinks he can "prepare" his audience to the attacks from McCain, with the able support of The Post! But does this "fore warning" answer the real questions about Obama's character? First - he is a friend of terrorist Bill Ayers. Second - he made money out of his association with the convict Rezko. Third - he attended the rabid white hater and anti American pastor Jeremiah Wright's sermons for 20 long years; yet he claims he never heard Jeremiah's fulminations! And very conveniently he disowned this mad pastor! Fourth - he never took a stand where his character would be exposed. He chickened out by marking "present" over 300 times in the Ilinois and US Senates and avoiding voting! Fifth - despite utter lack of experience and zero accomplishments he reeks of elitism and intellectual arrogance. He looks down upon people with lower levels of education and articulation. He even had the audacity hurling at Hillary the supercilious comment "you are likable enough" and to suffering middle America "you cling to your guns and religion out of bitterness"!

Is McCain wrong in hitting Obama hard on these serious flaws in his character??? Clearly Obama is the most unfit person to be President of our country. In stark contrast McCain is a true war hero whose courage is legendary, whose ability to secure cooperation of Democrats is well established and whose personal integrity is beyond question. To every patriotic American the choice is a no brainer - onward and upward with McCain!

Posted by: padmanabhan40 | October 5, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

The real beauty of the race issue,
is that it can only be played
by someone who believes all
men are not created equal.

Malcolm X

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

The Far Right and their philosophy has destroyed our country. Obama/Biden 09

Posted by: amosdefnails | October 5, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain is going down faster than a multi-million dollar jet after the scaredy-cat pilot ejects!

Posted by: FivePlaneMcCain | October 5, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a compulsive gambler. I've seen him at the casino more then 5 times. A complusive gambler is worse then a drunk like bush. Complusive gamblers do things off a feeling or a hunch.

I don't want a old man that suspend his campaign, gambling that it would pay off. America can't afford another failure in the White house. Obama is intelligent even bigots would agree.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

How many raped women in Alaska had to pay for their own rape kits, courtesy of Sarah Palin? That sounds like a form of terrorism to me. Dick Cheney supports waterboarding. Sarah Palin supports traumatizing rape victims. Do I see a trend here?

Posted by: RichardMiller333 | October 5, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is no leader even Bush has moved away from the eractic Mccain on foriegn policy and economic. Mccain can't lead his own party because the don't trust him. If republicans loose a majority of their seats and I'll be more than happy it would be because Mccain is not a leader, has no plans, or a vision to lead this country. Mccain is a loser and thats why he lost in 2000 to a loser like Bush.

Posted by: amosdefnails | October 5, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

the left has become the party
of intolerance.
and the divisive one'
preaches to the choir'
GODDAMN AMERICA!
GODDAMN AMERiCA!

Nobama08
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God will certainly NOT BLESS those who wage war on LIES or fabricated intelligence. So repent fool. The day of judgement could come any day soon.

If you want any sort of redemption for America throw the thugs and the party of thugs - the republicans who decieved us into waging a war against those who did us no harm.

Obama 08

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that many of the folks joining the Ayer smear were either young children or not born yet during the Vietnam War years. To them I say you have no idea what went on then and no right to think you do.

VIetnam was an unwanted and inappropriate war just like the current war in Iraq. The major difference was that there was a draft and many of the young men who died in Vietnam were forced into service. Al this together caused public reaction that turned violent many occasions. The violence was perpetrated by citizen groups one of which was the Weatherman. The violence was also perpetrated by government people as in the shooting of students at Kent State.

Obama was 11 years old and certainly not a member of any violent anti=war group. His associations with Ayer are limited at best. Both were members for a time of a Board of Directors for a charitable organization. Both live in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. They may have crossed paths at social or political events. Most, important, there is NO connection regarding terrorism of any kind or at any level.

This is old news but the McCain campaign, desperate and bankrupt of issues to talk about, has turned to smear tactics including guilt by association and character assassination.

In two words, McCain and his campaign are morally vacant.

Folks, you can choose between the lies and moral vacancy or the promise of a better future for yourselves, your children and your children's children. Your choice. You can get down in the sewer with McCain and Palin and the campaign thugs or you can support the promise of a bright future.

I am going for the bright future as sewer life is repugnant.

I am voting for Senator Obama and Senator Biden. I invite all other decent folks to do so too.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 5, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

simonsays1,

Nice try, but if you are going to quote the sound bite, quote it correctly. Rev. Wright said: G-d Damn America, not g-ddamn. If you do a bit of poking around you will find in the context he used it, many white evangelical preachers say it too. Either directly of indirectly.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

This long expected and frantic attempt to slur Senator Obama is exactly what one expected from Comedian Sarah Palin, the ” real” Sarah Palin, as she and her running mate Republican John McCain blindly wind down their defective campaign to nowhere. No response other than “consider the source” is necessary.

Posted by: BarryOR | October 5, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I am a Conservative to preserve all that is good in our constitution.

Benjamin Disraeli, campaign speech

twisting the words of a conserative
against conservatism?
you are a very democratic democrat.

NObama!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

FACT:

McCain's groomsman at his wedding to Cindy was Gary Hart!

He and Gar-Bear used to get loaded and chase women all the time.

Posted by: FivePlaneMcCain | October 5, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

If you've got nothing to run on, make something up, eh? If McCain and Palin lose every state, I wouldn't feel the least bit sorry for them.

Posted by: davestickler | October 5, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

PALIN WANTS TO PLAY THE GUILT BY ASSOCIATION GAME? OOOOK! WELL THIS VIDEO SHOULD BE MADE INTO A COMMERCIAL. Let's talk about Palin's association with the Alaskan Independence Party? Her husband (and probably her) has been a part of an organization in Alaska that preaches secession from the USA. They are not all that nice. PLEASE WATCH, READ AND SHARE:

* Video: Sarah Palin addresses the Alaska Independence Party convention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

* Article

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palins_attack_on_obamas_patrio.php#more

Posted by: d_hyperion | October 5, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Couple of things:

jothemedicaldoctor wrote:
8) lying about his tax reform plan - how can you decrease taxes for 95% of Americans when 30% are not even paying income tax ???

-it's possible because the phrase "that pay taxes" usually appears after 95% of Americans.

jothemedicaldoctor wrote:
9) lying about the 250,000 dollars threshold to increase taxes - that's not individual income - it is family income (see the fine print)

-What's the difference? Your "lie" is that he either didn't specify or said individual instead of family. Who cares? By the way, in his acceptance speech at the DNC he said, "I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families."

usathink wrote:
Charitable giving in 2007
McCain 27.2%
Palin 3.3%
Obama 1%
Biden .2%

-What are these percentages of? Income? Because I seriously doubt McCain gave 1/4 of his income to charity? But maybe he did. Ah, the benefits of being married to a beer heiress. Also, I would hardly call the difference between 1% and 3.3% a wide gulf of caring.

jothemedicaldoctor wrote:
2) playing race card filled with race-baiting lies in spanish-speaking ads (100 times worse than anything seen before)
"WHO IS THIS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND WHERE IS HE GETTING ALL OF THIS MONEY" ??????

-So, it's bad if he does it but ok if you do it? The only time I've ever seen his middle name used is when people are trying to equate him with middle easterners. Also, if you would care to answer that last question, I would be interested in hearing your perspective because it seems to me that there are millions of Americans out there giving money to his campaign. Care to imply otherwise?

Posted by: deacshades | October 5, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

How stupid does the McCain campaign think we are. Rezko was not a "convicted felon" at the time of the transaction. It's like saying you bought a car from a guy and two years later he was found to be a crook. Ayers is irrelevant since Obama was only eight when he did what he did. THis is all smoke and mirrors, just like what Patrick Fitzgerald said about what Cheney did in the Plame case; they are throwing "dust in our eyes" to distract from the economy.

Posted by: diogeron | October 5, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain has his own unsavory friends; one is a sixties era radical named David Ifshin, who made anti-American tapes in Hanoi during the Vietnam war:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/mccains-own-60s-radical-p_b_132032.html
He is also good friends with G. Gordon Liddy, the Watergate era felon and arms dealer.
Charles Keating is also McCain's bosom buddy.
Cindy's beer fortune comes from organized crime, the Arizona/LA Mafia.
Ayers and Rezko are boy scouts in comparison to McCain's rogues gallery of criminal associates.

Posted by: waltb31 | October 5, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Wanna know why Republicans are so worried??

Many crimes were committed by the Bush Administration. They know if they lose, it's not just another loss. The likelihood of prison is very real.

They are shivering in their boots. Prison doors are awaiting.

Posted by: swrightsr | October 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Osama “dream” was to strike the Twin Towers. His “wildest dream” was to see the Twin Towers tumble to ground.

Osama long term “dream” was to see American economy kneel to the ground. Thank you Bush.

Osama's “wildest dream” will be a see a Muslim leading the USA to abyss.

Obama is Osama's wildest dream come true.

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Palin's attack on Obama will have a positive effect on the poll tomorrow. She's like snotty little schoolgirl who thinks she's better than everyone else but is really just poor white trash.

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

SeedofChange,

You are such a pathetic RNC/Palin-McCain troll.

John SATAN McCain
SATAN Palin

A HOT ticket!

From the depths of Hell come these to Christians. Oh, I forgot, only one claims to be.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

the left has become the party
of intolerance.
and the divisive one'
preaches to the choir'
GODDAMN AMERICA!
GODDAMN AMERiCA!

Nobama08

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

"Why argue with people who voted for and worships George W Bush??

Bush is dumber than a bag of dirt and they voted for him. What does that say about these people?


Posted by: swrightsr | October 5, 2008 9:14 PM |"
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And what can be said about people that voted for Bubba Clinton . . . an oversexed pervert, liar and womanizer. You better check the stains on your own shorts before you start criticizing other people's laundry.
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Clinton did not leave us with trillions of debt. He did not go to war to "defend my daddy". He created 23 million jobs. The stock market is lower today than when Bush came into office.
it was Disraeli who once said " Conservatism is organized hipocrosy"

Posted by: swrightsr | October 5, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna ignore this and talk about how my pig stubbed its toe when coming out the bathroom after putting on lipstick.

I mean, gosh, how fewer toes must a pig have to have in order to avoid stubbing it. Can't a pig ever get a break. Oink, oink.

Posted by: Dave27 | October 5, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Hannity at it bigtime with a vapid verbal attack making impossible claims of Ayers financing an overthrow of the government movement during the 80's. I guess it is time to say Bush's grandfather started a secret US sector of the SS that Hannity belongs to. He has constantly railed against blacks due to his reverend Peterson and SS membership. He has supported Dubya attempts at subverting the constitution and now backs Palin knowing her church hates jews. Does that sound something like what you hear from Hannity because it is nothing but garbage with associations to others deeds and statements.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 5, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

William Abu Zayd Ayers

Barack Hussain Obama

Louis Farrahkhan

Only one of them is telling the truth. Only one of them letting people know their true identify. Obama is lying about his heredity and intentions

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Mccain would like to have a discussion about anything else besides the economy. Mccain is Bush's 3rd term thats why. Mccain doesn't have a plan to create more jobs or jump start the economy, Obama does. Just look how eractic Mccain performed during the crisis on Wall St. Mccain was all over the place. Not to mention that Mccain is part of the blame for this crisis. Mccain supports less regulation in the finacial markets. Mccain called himself the " Deregulator". Mccain has a history of of deregulation and bailouts for rich Ceo's and executives. Mccain was one of the Keaten 5 who is good friends with Charles Keaten of the Savings and Loans. It was Mccain pressing regulators for less regulation during the bailout of billionaire Charles Keaton Savings and Loans co. which turned into a investigation and scandal better known as the Keaten 5. Therefore, Mccain is part to blame for the corruption and greedy Ceo's on Wall st. for supporting less regulation so preditor lenders could take advantage of working class Americans. Mccain talks a good game on the stump denouncing corrupt, greedy Ceo's on the stump but he has helped and became good friends with one, Chales Keaten. How can Mccain reform the corrupt and greedy when they are his friends? How can Mccain cut out the special interest and lobbyist when 133 of them run his campaign? No way, No How, No Mccain.

Watch the Keaten 5 scandal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzDEbVFcg8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TM2OYd1hBc

Posted by: amosdefnails | October 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Tucker Bounds is a total schmiel. Barack Obama did not "befriend" Ayers. They are acquaintances...this after much investigation by many news orgs. As to Mr. Rezko. Yes he is a convicted felon...but became such AFTER his dealings with Obama on the house matter.
I see desperation in a bankrupt campaign who cannot speak to the real issues.

Posted by: mendonsa | October 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama has denounced the violent past of William Ayers. But lets just see what made William Ayers become so violent will ya?

A war in a far away land in our so easily forgotten past in a place where we really shouldnt have been. What the hell were we doing in Veitnam? - Shoving down our worldview on them, in the process killing hundreds of thousands of them and in the proces we losing over 50,000 of our own.

William Ayers was protesting against a war in which our most famous POW McCain flew sorties to bomb people on the ground. Wonder how many innocent civilians died in McCains bombing runs?

Today again we are in a war that Bush sold us alond with McCain using fabricated intelligence and lies. He threw dust into our eyes and told us there were WMDs there. The head of UN inspections in Iraq Hans Blix told us there were no WMDs there and yet Bush and his cohorts dismissed him when indeed he was true. Its hilarious to consider that Iraq posed a national security threat when its army was destroyed years back and it was under brutal UN sanctions with no fly zones imposed on it.

Today Bush with gleeful support from McCain has taken us on to a path where we are an imperial powers all over again. We are shoving down our ideals onto foreigners whether they like it or not.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Here's what it comes down to, stupid accusations, manipulations, smear tactics, bogus VP candidate all aside. Barack Obama is a man of integrity and intelligence who will put together a team of integrity and intelligence to get this country back on track. His message is moving, is one of hope and clear intention to help this country rise above the bogus partisan politics of the past 8 years (or more!). Barack Obama is AWESOME!

Posted by: DollyLlama | October 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

obama is indonesian!
while we were learning
to survive a nuclear attack,
and saying the pledge of aliegance'
he was in Jakarta,
learning how to cut the
infidels genitals
and feed them to the swine.

NOBAMA!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Revelations confirmed

By Thomas Sowell
Abraham Lincoln said, “You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you can’t fool all the people all the time.” Unfortunately, the future of this country, as well as the fate of the Western world, depends on how many people can be fooled on Election Day, just a few weeks from now.[...]
The current financial bailout crisis has propelled Barack Obama back into a lead over John McCain — which is astonishing in view of which man and which party has had the most to do with bringing on this crisis.[...]

Fact Number One: It was liberal Democrats, led by Sen. Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, who for years — including the present year — denied that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking big risks that could lead to a financial crisis. [They both received bribes from Raines, the CEO of Fannie, who has been given that job by Clinton on purpose. -E-]
It was Sen. Dodd, Congressman Frank, and other liberal Democrats who for years refused requests from the Bush administration to set up an agency to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
It was liberal Democrats, again led by Dodd and Frank, who for years pushed for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans, which are at the heart of today’s financial crisis.
Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago [but did nothing despite his power, as he craved like Clinton himself for his own job survival. -E-]. So did the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the president. So did Bush’s secretary of the Treasury, five years ago. [Add names -E-].

Yet, today, what are we hearing? That it was the Bush administration “right-wing ideology” of “de-regulation” that set the stage for the financial crisis. Do facts matter?
We also hear that it is the free market that is to blame. But the facts show that it was the government that pressured financial institutions in general to lend to subprime borrowers, with such things as the Community Reinvestment Act and, later, threats of legal action by then Attorney General Janet Reno [named by Clinton] if the feds did not like the statistics on who was getting loans and who wasn’t.[Another name to add, but she was already mentally handicapped by illness.] [...]

Then there is the question of being against the “greed” of CEOs and for “the people.” Franklin Raines made $90 million while he was head of Fannie Mae and mismanaging that institution into crisis. Who in Congress defended Franklin Raines? Liberal Democrats, including Maxine Waters and the Congressional Black Caucus, at least one of whom referred to the “lynching” of Raines, as if it was racist to hold him to the same standard as white CEOs. Even after he was deposed as head of Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines was consulted this year by the Obama campaign for his advice on housing! The Washington Post criticized the McCain campaign for calling Raines an adviser to Obama, even though that fact was reported in the Washington Post itself on July 16th. The technicality and the spin here is that Raines is not officially listed as an adviser. [...] The tie between Barack Obama and Franklin Raines is not all one-way. Obama has been the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae’s financial contributions, right after Sen. Christopher Dodd.[...]

The media alone are not alone in keeping the facts from the public. Republicans, for reasons unknown, don’t seem to know what it is to counterattack. They deserve to lose. But the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and cocky know-it-all [cocky, the dominant attitude od Obama. See above -E-], who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed their hatred of America [Pastor Wright, Ayes}.(From NRO)

Posted by: rivenq | October 5, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm feeling a lot of hate from the neo cons toward muslims, but they were signing a different tune in 2004.

Bush/Cheney/McCain made the case to invade iraq because of links to 9/11, and WMD's.

After the WMD lie bush/cheney/mccain started saying we liberated the poor people suffering under saddam regime.

Limbaugh, hannity, liddy, beck, and a host of hate mongers was loving muslims. If questioned they would ask a listener don't you think these poor muslims deserve freedom?

Now they are back to hating all non WASP

I don't care if barack is a muslim or christian he is smarter then the old fart that refuse to release his medical records.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Tell me why so many of the men and women in America's military of contributing $$ to Obama's campaign at a rate of 10:1 in comparison to McCain. They understand Country First!

Posted by: Swedishice | October 5, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

McSame/Palin: Shrill, baby, shrill.

Posted by: Genefox1 | October 5, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin are getting the muck they try to sling Obama's way all over themselves. Does McCain want tit for tat on the subject of "character"--does he want the Keating Five bribery scandal brought up, dating from the 80s? McCain was an adult then; any sane American over 30 knows this. Ayers was a "terrorist" when Obama was eight years old. Obama knew him almost forty years beyond Ayers' "radical" activities, as a fairly well-regarded (yes: look it up) Chicago politician, and their relations were not close, and only by stretch of a psychotic imagination could they be conceived a conspirators of any sort. Also: to people who obsessively repeat Obama's middle name as though this means something--have you taken your own middle name and made a racial epithet out of it? Each of us is, potentially, given enough phobia, someone else's ethnic nightmare. Repeat your own middle name with a negative ethnic fantasy attached to it, and you can accomplish exactly the same thing one might do to Obama. This tactic says nothing but that some choose to use play-ground insults about ancestors, instead of argument about policy. When Palin says "Obama is not like us" and drops innuendo, she also represents a mean-minded sliver of half-educated, too-scared-to-think-straight America that my blonde head does not respect. We deserve better than this slander not just in a President, but from anyone running for public office in America.

Posted by: johann_cat | October 5, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Voting for McCain is simply "PALIN" stupid.

Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

llewjones,

She didn't "quote" the NYTs, she paraphrased and she paraphrased, ok, the person who actually wrote it for her, incorrectly. She sayed he "pals around with terrorists". The Tims never said that and in fact said they didn't find any evidence he "palled around" with Ayres. As I explained to JakeD last night, Websters defines "pal" as a close friend.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Americans will rise above the media
slur campaign, neighbor to neighbor,
and obama will be defeated.
America's best days are ahead of her.
God Bless America.

Nobama08!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Everyone with sense knows McCain was not born in America and by the Constitution is not qualified to be President. Why is a Panamanian on the Presidential Ballot?

Posted by: swrightsr | October 5, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Palin loses Debate. McCain concedes Michigan. Republicans in trouble in Georgia and Kentucky.

McCain announces Smear Campaign.

Who does he think he is fooling. Answer is no one.

He is just shoring up his base so party survives. He want more than one or two seats in congress. Maybe even his senate seat is at risk.

Posted by: guytaur1 | October 5, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website (CLICK HERE), you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD.

For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd).

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"Why argue with people who voted for and worships George W Bush??

Bush is dumber than a bag of dirt and they voted for him. What does that say about these people?


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And what can be said about people that voted for Bubba Clinton . . . an oversexed pervert, liar and womanizer. You better check the stains on your own shorts before you start criticizing other people's laundry.


Posted by: rplat | October 5, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has been getting a pass on this issue for too long. The allegations have a factual basis and are not merely a "smear campaign". William Ayers is only the tip of the iceberg. Much of Obama's past adult life has been spent in the chosen company of urban terrorists, left-wing radicals, racists, America-haters, hate-mongering preachers, and even convicted criminals. These are despicable people and it is inconceivable that Obama's own character has not been influenced by them. The suspicion is reinforced by Obama's extreme liberal voting record. These are major issues among the many voters who still have doubts about Obama. The media and both campaigns have a responsibility to insure that the subject of Obama's past is clearly open for public evaluation.

Posted by: bubba31138 | October 5, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

On July 31, 1995 the first ever political contributions to Obama were $300 from a lawyer, a $5,000 loan from a car dealer, and $2,000 from two food companies owned by Rezko.[29] Starting in 2003, Rezko was one of the people on Obama's U.S. Senate campaign finance committee, which raised more than $14 million.[7] Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama, which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with seed money for his U.S. Senate race.

In the South Carolina Democratic Party presidential debate on January 21, 2008, Senator Hillary Clinton said that Obama had represented Rezko, who she referred to as a slum landlord.[41] Obama responded that he had never represented Rezko and had done only about five hours work, indirectly, for Rezko's firm.

THIS MAN IS A BALD FACED LIAR!!!

NOBAMA!!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

.sallieismydog

I believe McCain was born on a military post on some island and is considered a US citizen.

Posted by: commoner3 | October 5, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

FEAR THIS SUPPORTERS OF McCAIN

AMERICA IS GOING TO PUT OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE .... GET OVER IT your views do not represent the will of the majority of AMERICANS

Posted by: Swedishice | October 5, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Tucker Bounds can do what he wants, and say what he wants, but if I ever see him on the street, he better run faster than I can.

What a lowlife dog. And McCain has the fleas to prove it.

Posted by: queenskid | October 5, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Sarah "Pitbull" Palin was doing "guilt by association". This is a two way street. McCain accepted tainted campaign contributions from Arnold R. Weber, an associate of Bill Ayers.

Arnold R. Weber is A Chicago Annenberg Board Member. He was an Assistant Secretary of Labor and Associate Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Nixon. Weber, former president of the Commercial Club of Chicago’s Civic Committee, is a longtime Republican donor. Along with Barack Obama, he was a member of the **Chicago Annnenberg Challenge Board** founded by KNOWN "TERRORIST" BILL AYERS!!!

Weber has given $1,500 to the McCain Campaign in 2008! In 2008, Arnold Weber made donations of $1,000 and $500 to McCain’s presidential campaign.

The "liberal" media isn't investigating why John McCain accepted CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS from this "terrorist" associate. This guy doesn't deny he associates with a known terrorist (mainly because he hasn't been asked).

These types of "facts" are simply shallow attacks with no merit. They are meant to distract the gullible. You don't hear about them because most people want talk about issues affecting our lives and not play 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Speaking of which... It turns out that you can trace Obama's family tree to both Dick Cheney (eighth cousins) and George W. Bush (10th cousins once removed). This is yet another item for games of trivial pursuit, but not worthy of time in this election.

However, Rick Davis is worth talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Davis_%28politics%29

This is a guy that made millions as a Washington lobbyist. This guy is a caricature of the exact thing McCain says he hates. EARMARKS ANYONE? Rick Davis practically INVENTED them. He is running the McCain campaign. What moron would believe McCain is against wasteful government spending after learning a bit about his campaign manager?

Posted by: wunderwood | October 5, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

simonsays1,

So how many innocent men, women and children did McCain bomb, strafe and napalm in those times he wasn't crashing his aircraft? Oh, but they were slant eyed gooks so that's ok. G-d only cares about the white people who get killed.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Conservative Christians spend more time seeking votes for the White House than souls for God's House..They will burn in hell!!

Posted by: swrightsr | October 5, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The joke really is on the thin skinned Obama and his media supporters in that the supposedly news illiterate Palin was merely quoting his strongest supporter, the NYT.

This attack by Palin on Obama's past associations, which really touch on his discernment and good judgment are long overdue. Bush sneaked past the media. Let's hope the media stops being an Obama cheer leader and does its democratic duty.

If Obama has nothing to hide then he should be able to sail through this searchlight on his past associations with the same poise as the viciously pilloried Palin. "What was good for the goose is good for the gander".

The delicious irony is that Palin was fair game according to some but Obama appears to have more lead in his saddlebags than most aspirants for high office so the question that needs to be answered is: "can a leopard change his spots"?

Posted by: llewjones | October 5, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Republicans voting for McCain are just like the communists. Although its proven communism doesn't work, they keep trying. After eight year of FAILURE, they keep trying to make excuses. They see Palin is a an idiot and they continue to pretend she's smart. Come on!! You people, who hold on to your party and send your country down the toilet need to cut the act. It's not about you. It's about the country. Put country first and spare us the BS. You know the republican party failed. Admit it and move on. You can vote republican when you have a real candidate.

Posted by: PA_DC | October 5, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin in a last ditch effort to insult the United States of America. Cant' win on facts, can't win on merit, so they have to lie and cheat. The times are too serious to keep humoring these people.

Posted by: dccamp68 | October 5, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Palin is an embarrassment to the United States' political process - voting for Palin is a vote for the downfall of America.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I think I've finally figured this whole thing out!

It's bad for Obama to work on the board of directors for a charity trying to help poor and unemployed folks with some guy who pushed civil disobedience against our involvement in an earlier civil war in Asia 40 years ago -- when Obama was 8? It's bad for Obama to let this guy help him get started in politics a decade ago because they both wanted to help the working guy -- that' not right? This is someone Obama hasn't seen for some years since...and someone John McCain said good things about. That's bad! Right?

If that's wrong, then it must be right for John McCain to get help from Charles Keating to get his jumpstart in politics, and then thank him later with some nifty bank deregulation that ultimately cost the taxpayers $100+billion and made fortunes for McCain/Bush1 croonies? This has got to be some kind of good thing I guess.

So then I guess it's also OK for Sarah Palin to promote and give credibility to a group of wolf wacking separatists that her husband was a card-carrying member of until a couple of years ago by speaking at their annual convention? That's OK, even though they advocate secession and that's treason. But that's still OK.

Then this has to all mean Obama is pure scum cuz the mayor leaving her town $20 Million in debt and dripping in pork exiting stage left to blast the oil companies with a huge excess profits tax that her deregulating economic terrorist boss says is wrong -- than that's right. Isn't it?

Sometimes things are slow down here in the South, so I guess it took me longer than most to figure out right from wrong thanks to Sarah Palin. I'm glad she pointed this all out today. Keep up the good work, maam! We love ya'all down here in Dixie now that Barney Fife has finally retired.

Posted by: DHinGA | October 5, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I think that Obama's adverts in response to these smears are typical of the man.

Calm, collected and focussed on the issues

Posted by: guytaur1 | October 5, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"Thoroughly debunks"??? They wrote Ayers held a coffee fundraiser at his house for Obama for crying out loud!!! NYT can tell me wha they wan't but I am free to "judge wisley" for my self!
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Obama has denounced the violent past of William Ayers. But lets just see what made William Ayers become so violent will ya?

A war in a far away land in our so easily forgotten past in a place where we really shouldnt have been. What the hell were we doing in Veitnam? - Shoving down our worldview on them, in the process killing hundreds of thousands of them and in the proces we losing over 50,000 of our own.

William Ayers was protesting against a war in which our most famous POW McCain flew sorties to bomb people on the ground. Wonder how many innocent civilians died in McCains bombing runs?

Today again we are in a war that Bush sold us alond with McCain using fabricated intelligence and lies. He threw dust into our eyes and told us there were WMDs there. The head of UN inspections in Iraq Hans Blix told us there were no WMDs there and yet Bush and his cohorts dismissed him when indeed he was true. Its hilarious to consider that Iraq posed a national security threat when its army was destroyed years back and it was under brutal UN sanctions with no fly zones imposed on it.

Today Bush with gleeful support from McCain has taken us on to a path where we are an imperial powers all over again. We are shoving down our ideals onto foreigners whether they like it or not.


So throw out the thugs and snake oil salesmen on Nov. 4. Vote for change.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"'Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist'"

Does McCain befriending George Bush count?

Posted by: treetopflyer | October 5, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I WISH that all the comments linking Obama with Muslims, Terrorists and the like, would just start their comments with this simple phrase. I AM A RACIST BIGGOT AND I WANT AMERICA LIKE IT WAS IN 1950. This way we know they are not in tune with the real world and we can ignore the rest of their worthless ranting.

Posted by: therightchoice123 | October 5, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The Palin Lament:- Why couldn't I be smart instead of beautiful??

Posted by: swrightsr | October 5, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Go Sarah go! Kick the wonder boy where it counts! Obama and his "boneheaded" judgment will end up destroying this country, by putting us further in debt with all of his government programs and God help us, if the country is attacked again.

If anyone is the real deal here, a new politician who speaks directly to the people, it's Sarah Palin, not the Chicago style politics-birthed Obama. Thanks to the media, his vetting only scratched the surface. I expect King Obama could commit high treason and the media would simply smile and say "Oh, that Barack Obama, he just made another boneheaded mistake, that's all".

Personally, I'm looking forward to hearing those Rev. Wright sermons again. And by the way Michigan voters, your memory is sure short. Don't forget that Obama's economic adviser Austin Goolsbee, met with the Canadians on the sly last winter, to assure them that Obama has no intention of messing up our NAFTA (trade) agreements with them. Of course, this is contrary to Mr. Obama's campaign rhetoric during the primaries.

For all you naive Obama supporters, just go look in the news archives of any state during the primaries and see just how negative Obama and his surrogates were to Hillary Clinton. And now for the 100th time, the media and Obama are trying to play the "race card", again - give me a break!

Posted by: muldar | October 5, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Did the ancestors of Barak Obama sell as slaves the ancestors of wife Michelle?

Obama has a surpising attitude of natural authority which is contradicted by his poor performance in his years as senator, and by his too frequent 180 degrees' changes and indecisions in the Campaign. The most trouble being his hesitation about Iran' Amadinejad, whom he minimized the power as a way to justify an attitude of complacency from himself. That opinion was repeated by Joe Biden in a phrase in the Debate, and remembers us the weak sentence of FDR in1938:"We must not offend Mister Hitler."
If we go back to Obama's Black Kenyan father, we must think about the natural transmission of an attitude of dominance from father to son, despite their rather rare but influencial meetings.
Dominant and abusive men, that's what the tribal African chiefs showed to be, the "petits rois Nègres" as they were called in the former African French colonies. They did not hesitate to sell their people as slaves in exchange for bright "verroterie" or local currency, the cauries. They trade slaves with the Muslim Arabs in the East of Africa, until the 20C and after.
As anybody could read it with sincere emotion in the articles of the Wa Post, Michelle Obama's ancestors came as slaves from Africa. They may have been sold by the ancestors of her husband. Too bad Obama father did not chose to live in America and tell us, a challenge he prefered not to face.

Posted by: rivenq | October 5, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

AlexZ83 wrote:

"Thoroughly debunks"??? They wrote Ayers held a coffee fundraiser at his house for Obama for crying out loud!!!"

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Now THERE is a scathing indictment! A COFFEE for G-d's sake! You seemed to have missed he was at Ayres' house because the "coffee" was also for the woman whose seat Obama was running for in the Illinois State Senate and she was introducing him to the people attending.

Maybe Ayers put some mind control drug in Obama's coffee so he could fill his head with all of his radical left wing, anti-establishment propaganda.


Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot.[10] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[11] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.

The Truth Will Set You Free!!

NOBAMA08

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Get him McCain . . . Obama is as dirty as the inside of a commode. His persistent protests are nothing more than attempts to intimidate and obfuscate.

Posted by: rplat | October 5, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"It is the economy stupid"....

Obama has never done anything with economy. His only economy transaction was with Rezko to help him to buy a house that he could not otherwise effort. Sounds like a guy who found a way to live beyond his means through corruption...

No such luck for rest of America. They need a real leader, not a lier and corruport politician like Obama

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Why argue with people who voted for and worships George W Bush??

Bush is dumber than a bag of dirt and they voted for him. What does that say about these people?


Posted by: swrightsr | October 5, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy Palin removed the gloves. The more she talk the worse it get for the GOP. I know a lot of people that worked on the bush 2004 campaign that said they were staying home or voting for obama.

Al franken was smeared with an ad that actually increased his lead.

The more you talk about crap, and not issues you lose.

Biden kicked assets last thursday.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Well doggone those terrorists that distribute educational grants! What will we do? Oh, what will we do?

You guys forgot to mention that Obama was seven or eight years old and living in Hawaii when Ayers was doing his radical thing in Chicago. And you also forgot to mention that Obama has addressed Rezko over and over again, including a long sit-down with the editorial board of the Chicago paper, taking any and all questions about the matter and leading the paper to conclude: that's all there is, this matter is closed.

Posted by: SueK1 | October 5, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Gina4 .... I'm white for the record.

Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Mc Cain is a loser. A pathetic man who compromised any principles he MAY have had. I hope Sen. Obama does not let these attacks go by without clear response. Learn from Sen. Kerrys' mistake.

Posted by: wshalewitz | October 5, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

AMERICAN'S are too smart to buy into the McCain's campaign trickery.

Too many McCain supporters are single issue voters. Be that abortion or guns. They are limited in that they cannot see beyond what their choice of the last 8 years has done to AMERICA. Wake up, we have big problems and McCain is lost in finding solutions for this country.

Posted by: Swedishice | October 5, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I do want to learn more about Mrs. Palen's friends and associates. I do believe she also has some characters in her association that the American people should be aware of.

Ms. Palen does more than attend soccer games, hang out in bars, hunt, fish, run Alaska and take care of her family - I dare say she does very little of the above .... what does she do in her spare time??? who does she associate with?, admire? read about?

Please Sarah (may I call you Sarah?) - talk to us about YOU!!!!

Posted by: tcaru001 | October 5, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I think it's sad that the GOP prey on non-educated individuals, all the while it's them who are most hurt by the GOP. It's like the Republican party doesn't even care about their constituents; it's embarrassing for them.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

When Abraham Lincoln said " You can fool- some of the people all the time..." he was talking about poor republicans. The rich republicans never get fooled, only richer.

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Laid back, and thoughtful;
is how the liberal media
describe obama's reaction
to the economic crisis
and the Georgia crisis,
most americans would call
his reaction,
uninspiring,
naive,
DANGEROUS..
read the berlin speech, americans'
this intellectual has no love
for your country.
Do You?
McCain/Palin08!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers gave $200 to Obama's re-election campaign in 2001, was involved in a charity with Obama, and worked with Obama in a community development project. He has never been convicted of squat, and is now a respected professor at the University of Illinois-Chicago.

G. Gordon Liddy gave $1000 to McCain this February. He has been convicted, and has served prison time, and as far as I can tell, is absolutely unrepentant. He is currently a talk show host and not much else.

Without in any way defending them, the Weathermen, according to every reference I've seen, never injured or killed anyone (some terrorists!), and caused only property damage. I wonder how much damage they caused compared to the losses caused by Charles Keating.

This is not a direction the McCain campaign really wants to go.

Posted by: szwheelock | October 5, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

P.S. The more smears, the more desperate you can see McCain is. And desperate he should be - Palin is a JOKE! A scary one, not a funny one.

Posted by: DollyLlama | October 5, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Osama dream was to strike the Twin Towers. His wildest dream was to see the Twin Towers tumble to ground.

Osama long term dream was to see American economy kneel to the ground. Thank you Bush.

Osama's wildest dream will be a see a muslim leading the USA to abyss.

Obama is Osama's wildest dream come true.

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey Trolls President Bush is the most Socialist President the United State has ever had.

If he was to remain in power It woud be The United Socialist States of America.

McCain/Palin are in bed with Bush they are the same party have the same policies.

Get a Clue
For Socialist President
Vote McCain

Posted by: guytaur1 | October 5, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

McCain's campaign tactics are despicable, and beneath the office he seeks.

McCain is showing the beginning signs of dementia, and his running mate has not shown any sign that she comprehends that she is in WAY over her head.

The McCain-Palin ticket is a disgrace to the Republican Party, as well as the United States.

Let's hope Americans understand that, and put country above party in November.

Posted by: CaptainJohn2525 | October 5, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Who heard? The only reason Palin's son is going to Iraq is because the judge said, "either that or jail," as a result of his dealing drugs.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Ask Tucker Bounds about McCain and the Keating 5 and why influence peddling, impeding investigation of the S&L industry and public censure in the senate doesn't come up in any of McCains talks about reform. Obviously that was an epiphany for him. RIGHT!

Posted by: therightchoice123 | October 5, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

"Non-Educated" white Americans who are voting Republican (McCain and Palin) are the same people loosing their savings and homes."

This is a truely revealing statement. Liberal, Far Left Dems HATE middle class white people. They call them all sorts of names and refer to them as uneducated and blame then for everything. The real lie here is that the Dems are for "the people".

Posted by: Gina4 | October 5, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

P.S. The more smears, the more desperate you can see McCain is. And desperate he should be - Palin is a JOKE! A scary one, not a funny one.

Posted by: DollyLlama | October 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Global warming is crapola and doesn't exist. I'd rather be the only woman on a Greek freighter than move to Alaska.

Posted by: AbolhassanBaniSadr | October 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"Ummmmm...., let me remind you that it was New York Times who broke the story yesterday. Where in your "beautifull mind" did you find a reason to blame McCain for it????"

NYT thoroughly debunks that Obama ever had a longstanding relationship with Ayers.

Posted by: judgewisely
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"Thoroughly debunks"??? They wrote Ayers held a coffee fundraiser at his house for Obama for crying out loud!!! NYT can tell me wha they wan't but I am free to "judge wisley" for my self!

Posted by: AlexZ83 | October 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I now realize that McCain and Palin don't represent just the same old thing, they represent it in even more ridiculous ways. They seem just as stupid as Bush and Cheney, but actually seem nastier, and more prone to make stuff up regardless of the consequence, which is saying a lot, since Bush and Cheney set new standards in ridiculousness. Lipstick or not, Palin is a pig. Period. Obama has a heart of gold and a great head on his shoulder, is unafraid of having really smart people around him - look who he married - and will surround himself with a full spectrum of core competencies and persuasions.

Posted by: readyforchange2 | October 5, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Gator-ron,

The Palin-McCain campaign never intended to speak to the issues. It was either Steve Schmidt or Rick Davis who said the campaign was NOT about issues, it was about personalities.

How can they speak to the issues, they have no solutions except the failed ones we already have.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Its the ECONOMY Stupid!

Posted by: bobnsri | October 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

HOW CAN THEY COME UP WITH A 'SOLUTION'
WHEN THEY DON'T YET KNOW THE CAUSE?

TARGETING OF AMERICANS BY GOV'T AGENCIES
A ROOT CAUSE OF WALL STREET MELTDOWN?

Once again, Congress rushed through emergency legislation -- socializing the capital markets, ceding effective control of the economy to the government.

Officials continue to blame lax lending policies on the part of the mortgage industry for spawning this crisis.

But were lenders ORDERED to offer "easy credit" to people "targeted" by government agencies?

Is government "extra-judicial targeting" of American citizens a root cause of the mortgage meltdown that spawned the broader financial crisis?

And is there a disinformation campaign underway to blame the Democrats, instead of ideologues who have hijacked federal agencies as their tool of "social engineering"?

Consider this:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis OR
http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

You can put lipstick on a moron and you still have a moron. Sarah Palin is no more qualified or capable of being VP than I am to dance the Swine Lake ballet with the Bolshoi.

Palin told Katie Couric that not all man's problems are caused by global warming. And she repeated that in the debate.

Moronic, no?

Posted by: AbolhassanBaniSadr | October 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

"Non-Educated" white Americans who are voting Republican (McCain and Palin) are the same people loosing their savings and homes.

What will it take for you to realize that your party is the one responsible for this... seriously, can someone tell me??

Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

When McCain said that the economy was sound, he wasn't lying. What he was referring to must have been his own economy. Let me see, some 13 cars, various properties over three time zones and a jet to boot, yeah I would also be saying the same thing too.

Posted by: egghd1697 | October 5, 2008 5:52 PM
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But of course that would be the case if you left your ailing/injured spouse and married a rich, blond one like McCain did; he enjoys Cindy's largess despite McCain calling her a c*nt in public and offering her to compete for the "Miss Buffalo Chips" beauty contest in Sturgis, ND.

Palin has her own issues, such as her private email account with state government business in order to circumvent the sunshine laws. There is that "troopergate" mess that she and First Dude refuse to testify. Palin claims to be a Christian, so here's one for her: be sure of this, your sins will find you out!

Posted by: meldupree | October 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Hillary08 screamed:

"What a desperate lowlife, white trash, loser Palin is. I can't believe that Mr. "I won't run that kind of campaign" McCain is allowing his running mate to resort to such mindless, cheap rhetoric."

How would you characterize your rhetoric, hypocrite?

Posted by: bobmoses | October 5, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Stop smearing Alaska. As the ice melts (due to Global worming), you might be moving there, since the coasts are more likely be under water in that scenario, that is if Alaska gives you the refuge. You all make fun of Alaska, as if Hawaii was a center of knowledge and civilization.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that ANYONE who is for Sarah Palin can call democrats idiots or stupid. Look who your role model is!! And the sheer ignorance of emphasizing Obama's middle name (gasp! Hussein!) is just so ignorant. I keep thinking "they" (the strategists who picked Palin, keep her from open interviews, rehearse her sound bytes, etc.) don't think the American people are that stupid, do they? But then I hear from the McCain/Palin supporters and think ok, they have a point.

Posted by: DollyLlama | October 5, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Yawn!! So what is new? What other tactic can one reasonably expect from the descendants of neanderthal cave dwellers? Destruction, not progress is the only order of the day. Yah hooh!!! You betcha. By golly! b

Posted by: bldlcc | October 5, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Osama dream was to strike the Twin Towers. His wildest dream was to see the Twin Towers tumble to ground.

Osama long term dream was to see American economy kneel to the ground. Thank you Bush.

Osama's wildest dream will be a see a muslim leading the USA to abyss.

Obama is Osama's wildest dream come true.

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 5, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Change requires ACTION, the ACTION this country DIDN'T take in 2004. That is not happening this year. This election is going to be an OBAMA landside and I HOPE the republicans can support what the new congress, senate and white house are going to do in the coming years rather than isolate themselves from the mainstream of what AMERICA needs and wants! We all want what is best .... you've had 8 years .... give our new direction some support after your candidate loses on NOV 4th.

Posted by: Swedishice | October 5, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

_____________________________________________________________________________________

Didn't we just depose one President Hussein?

Exactly who wants another? and what is their motive?

Who is behind the ideology?


time will show you it is NOT the MESSIAH, NOT GOD, NOT ALLAH, and NOT JEHOVAH!
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if you want a secularist government by another secularist supported by a secularist party of thugs called Democrats...

Vote Hussein for President... Saddam Hussein was also a secularist, Barrack says he's a christian but his actions and his associates actions speak much louder than his empty words.


Barrack Hussein = Saddam Hussein Big government that gives favors to party in power
Democrat Party = Ba'ath Party Angry, violent, terrorist sympathizing... will do anything to denigrate, demoralize.. and its coming next kill detractors

_____________________________________________________________________________________


NOBAMA 08

Posted by: StarsAndStripesForever | October 5, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Republicans must be happy we have a broken public school system. So many illiterates leaving high school with the IQ of lemmings.

Republicans know that the majority of Americans are cowards who are easily frightened. That is American politics 101. Frighten them into voting against the bogey man.

So happy World War I and II were fought when Americans were smart. We would be all speaking German today.

Posted by: swrightsr | October 5, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the McCain campaign is that they have no positive, productive message of their own, no specific policies for improving the economy that differ from those of GWB, no solutions for improving America's standing among foreign nations, no significant platform whatsoever. He is a one-trick pony pushing his vague concept of being a "reformer" and a "maverick".

As a result, he has relied on negative attack ads and speeches from the get-go. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and McCain is a desperate man whose blind ambitions have clouded any sense of judgement, fairplay, and code of ethics. (Palin, on the other hand, never had a code of ethics--only a holier-than-thou sense of morality.)

McCain and Palin have regressed from "gutter politics" to "sewer politics".

Posted by: labman57 | October 5, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"Non-Educated" white Americans who are voting Republican (McCain and Palin) are the same people loosing their savings and homes.

What will it take for you to realize that your party is the one responsible for this... seriously, can someone tell me??

Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

If Gordon Gecko was a real person he would vote McCain/Palin

Posted by: guytaur1 | October 5, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Why is it the people who bellow the loudest about someone being unpatriotic are the very people who would gleefully suspend peoples constituional rights? Ok, so it is a rhetorical question, but I still wonder.

We are now returning you to your regularly scheduled inane madness.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

From the Republican party that destroyed America as we knew it, throw back campaigning to the 1960s. Like Communists McCain and Palin attack associations instead of Obama's actual personal conduct. McCain Palin would do anything to get power.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | October 5, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Ayers and Obama are not close and have not spoken in recent years, but they once served together on a nonprofit board that distributed educational grants in Chicago. Ayers hosted a gathering for Obama when he was running for the state Senate in Illinois a decade ago.
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I think there is much more to it than that. They worked together on more than one "project" closely, over a ten year period. Now Obama says "he's just a guy in my neighborhood". The news reports Ayers as if he's not radical anymore, because he's a professor. Professor's are THE most radical people these days. Wake up, Obama is scary. Why else does he lie about this guy and others?

Posted by: Gina4 | October 5, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I am curious to see what jothemedicaldoctor considers are the lies in the McCain-Palin campaign. It is time to be fair and balanced.

Posted by: EarlC | October 5, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

CNN truth squad examined the Ayers accusations and labeled them false.
These falsehoods are old news left over from the primary elections.
Rev. Wright is old news that has been digested and rejected by intelligent swing voters.
Fannie and Freddie corruption claims against Obama backfired squarely in Rick Davis' hypocritical face.

Obama could go after McCain's war record or his Keating Five involvement, but he knows it's all about jobs for the middle and lower class. The voters are yelling "it's the economy, stupid."

McCain doesn't hear them.

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I want to hear about the hundreds of thousands of jobs gone missing this year. I want to hear about health care and how we plan to exit Iraq. What about the war in Afghanistan?

Posted by: KWilliamsburgVA | October 5, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Do you guys really need 4 more years of snake oil salesmen who blame the poorest Americans for the current Finacial mess? Like how Republicans are accusing ACORN, when in reality rich speculators drove the housing bubble. And when the bubble burst they had to forgoe their loans with which they bought the houses?

Do you guys really want 4 more years of snake oil salesmen who sold the war in Iraq based on fabricated intelligence and lies of WMD? A war that will cost us trillions of dollars that we are paying through our noses and a war that has made us lose our international credibility.

Do you guys really want 4 more years of snake oil sales men who want to preach their faithful that true patriotism is supporting what ever war we wage even if it was for an imperialistic agenda?

Nov 4th is the day of judgement for all of us. It is a day when we have to say enough and throw the thugs out of power who have raped our middle class and our reputation abroad.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"Non-Educated" white Americans who are voting Republican (McCain and Palin) are the same people loosing their savings and homes.

What will it take for you to realize that your party is the one responsible for this... seriously, can someone tell me??

Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 5, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

The choice is simple.

McCain and Palin are delivering a message of hatred.

Obama and Biden are delivering a message of hope.

Nuf said.


Posted by: labman57 | October 5, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

At some point, things are going to get so bad in the political arena with the anything-goes mentality that there will be lawsuits for megabucks to attempt to restore some semblance if truth back into the process. I find that slander and libel being treated as OK in the political arena carries over into everyday life with people saying really bad things about each other with no basis in fact. I wonder how long America can survive with this type of dialogue. There is bound to be a payday someday.

Posted by: EarlC | October 5, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

It's lowest common denominator time huh? Let's use the fear factor, right? Well, the fact that McCain was one of the Keating 5, the biggest Savings & loan scandal EVER, should bring fear to many a pocketbook. I'm so sick of the sarcastic Palin and the desperate McCain, come on people, face it THEY ONLY OFFER MORE OF THE SAME!!!

Posted by: tooncestthedrivingcat | October 5, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

lies of OBAMA;

1) broke HIS OWN pledge to finance campaign ethically
2) playing race card filled with race-baiting lies in spanish-speaking ads (100 times worse than anything seen before)
3) pretending palin did no reforming in Alaska
4) lying about demoCRITES being true cause of housing crisis (he took SO much money from fannie/freddie)
5) lying about his record with Israel
6) Lying about his prior positions on late-term abortions
7) lying about john mccain's record - an honorable American hero
8) lying about his tax reform plan - how can you decrease taxes for 95% of Americans when 30% are not even paying income tax ???
9) lying about the 250,000 dollars threshold to increase taxes - that's not individual income - it is family income (see the fine print)
10) lying about his own prior positions on the surge in Iraq

isn't lie number one by itself enough to make you ask, "WHO IS THIS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND WHERE IS HE GETTING ALL OF THIS MONEY" ??????

Posted by: jothemedicaldoctor | October 5, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign has abandoned their plan to win the race on issues or on leadership. McCain is erratic, he changes his positions and does not have the ability to influence those in his own party.

The events of the past two weeks have shown how out of touch he is with this country. He has lost the argument that he can turn this country around.

So what is left? A smear. Take a fact and draw a conclusion from that fact that is unreasonable and unsupported by the facts and what you have is a smear.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 5, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The secessionist Alaskan Independence Party quotes its founder Joe Vogler as stating, "I'M AN ALASKAN, NOT AN AMERICAN. I'VE GOT NO USE FOR AMERICA OR HER DAMNED INSTITUTIONS."

"Keep up the good work," Sarah Palin told members of the Alaskan Independence Party in a videotaped speech to their convention six months ago in Fairbanks.

She wished the party luck on what she called its "inspiring convention."


Posted by: pali2500 | October 5, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Please starve this woman of the "oxygen of publicity" as Margaret Thatcher once said(?). If she will not answer questions why does anyone report what she says?

Posted by: piega | October 5, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl has hit the nail on the head..
If Macain in his 70s doesnt understand economics now, despite the 7 houses he cant remember he owns, how the hell is he finally going to learn it? America doesnt need a mature age apprentice as President.
And if he doesnt make teh full term and we end up with Paleface? What the hell is she going to do, we allready have an incompetanmt do we need all this again?

Posted by: njhardy123 | October 5, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

All of this smear is because Bush/Cheney....Whoops...McCain/Palin are pathetic people who think that the only way to win an election is by cheating, lying and tricking people. (Does this sound familiar to anyone?) Let's make the next 8 years much better than the last.

Posted by: JimZ1 | October 5, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

In the rally today in Asheville N.C. over 28,000 people showed up.Would like to see McSame or Falin draw that many.
Unlike McSame these numbers came from the police dept not the campaign.

Posted by: bushwacker1 | October 5, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Desperate people in desperate times take desperate measures and McCain, as previously with the Bush cabal, will be fiercely flinging feces having no real ammunition. Keep in mind what Bush did to McCain in 2000. No doubt McCain, having Rove lurking in the shadows, will use the same playbook.

The only problem for McCain is that far too many voters were awoken from their slumber by the sound of the economy imploding upon itself. No amount of dirty politics will overcome what the Republicans have done to the American people to benefit their corporate pals.

Posted by: bfjackjernigan | October 5, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Below is Bill Ayers letter to the NYT following the publication on 9/11 of the interview that he had with a reporter prior to 9/11 about a book that he had just written. Please read the entire statement.
September 15, 2001

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To The Editors—

In July of this year Dinitia Smith asked my publisher if she might interview me for the New York Times on my forthcoming book, Fugitive Days. From the start she questioned me sharply about bombings, and each time I referred her to my memoir where I discussed the culture of violence we all live with in America, my growing anger in the 1960’s about the structures of racism and the escalating war, and the complex, sometimes extreme and despairing choices I made in those terrible times.

Smith’s angle is captured in the Times headline: “No regrets for a love of explosives” (September 11, 2001). She and I spoke a lot about regrets, about loss, about attempts to account for one’s life. I never said I had any love for explosives, and anyone who knows me found that headline sensationalistic nonsense. I said I had a thousand regrets, but no regrets for opposing the war with every ounce of my strength. I told her that in light of the indiscriminate murder of millions of Vietnamese, we showed remarkable restraint, and that while we tried to sound a piercing alarm in those years, in fact we didn’t do enough to stop the war.

Smith writes of me: “Even today, he ‘finds a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance,’ he writes.” This fragment seems to support her “love affair with bombs” thesis, but it is the opposite of what I wrote:

We’ll bomb them into the Stone Age, an unhinged American politician had intoned, echoing a gung-ho, shoot-from-the-hip general… each describing an American policy rarely spoken so plainly. Boom. Boom. Boom. Poor Viet Nam. Almost four times the destructive power Florida… How could we understand it? How could we take it in? Most important, what should we do about it? Bombs away. There is a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance. The rhythm of B-52s dropping bombs over Viet Nam, a deceptive calm at 40,000 feet as the doors ease open and millennial eggs are delivered on the green canopy below, the relentless thud of indiscriminate destruction and death without pause on the ground. Nothing subtle or syncopated. Not a happy rhythm. Three million Vietnamese lives were extinguished. Dig up Florida and throw it into the ocean. Annihilate Chicago or London or Bonn. Three million—each with a mother and a father, a distinct name, a mind and a body and a spirit, someone who knew him well or cared for her or counted on her for something or was annoyed or burdened or irritated by him; each knew something of joy or sadness or beauty or pain. Each was ripped out of this world, a little red dampness staining the earth, drying up, fading, and gone. Bodies torn apart, blown away, smudged out, lost forever.

I wrote about Vietnamese lives as a personal American responsibility, then, and the hypocrisy of claiming an American innocence as we constructed and stoked an intricate and hideous chamber of death in Asia. Clearly I wrote and spoke about the export of violence and the government’s love affair with bombs. Just as clearly Dinitia Smith was interested in her journalistic angle and not the truth. This is not a question of being misunderstood or “taken out of context,” but of deliberate distortion.

Some readers apparently responded to her piece, published on the same day as the vicious terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, by associating my book with them. This is absurd. My memoir is from start to finish a condemnation of terrorism, of the indiscriminate murder of human beings, whether driven by fanaticism or official policy. It begins literally in the shadow of Hiroshima and comes of age in the killing fields of Southeast Asia. My book criticizes the American obsession with a clean and distanced violence, and the culture of thoughtlessness and carelessness that results from it. We are now witnessing crimes against humanity in our own land on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we might soon see innocent people in other parts of the world as well as in the U.S. dying and suffering in response.

All that we witnessed September 11—the awful carnage and pain, the heroism of ordinary people—may drive us mad with grief and anger, or it may open us to hope in new ways. Perhaps precisely because we have suffered we can embrace the suffering of others and gather the necessary wisdom to resist the impulse to lash out randomly. The lessons of the anti-war movements of the 1960s and 70s may be more urgent now than ever.

Bill Ayers Chicago, IL

Posted by: EarlC | October 5, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

SUPPORTERS OF B. HUSSEIN obama;

1) people who think 9-11 was done by Americans

2) people who do not even live in America

3) the same people who tried to give away the cold war right before America and our allies won it

4) people who blame America first and ask questions later

5) people who are too IDIOTIC to connect the dots between the housing debacle and obama (and dodd and barney "the dinosaur" frank) when it is so darned easy to just follow the money (obama donations from freddiemac/fanniemae 120, 000 in three years - to mccain ? 400 dollars in 20 years - wow !! and which candidate does 25 million dollar freddiemac/fanniemae recipient work for ? - obama, that's right)

6) rock stars and hollywood elitist who've made a fortune already off of the American dream and now wish to deny it to others

7) people who do not care that an inexperienced politician who is a consummate liar is trying to buy the election

Posted by: jothemedicaldoctor | October 5, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Isn't 8 years of failed republican rule enough? I want my country back. McCain is erratic and reckless and Palin offensive. Country first is what they say but their actions on the campaign show something different. It is the same old FEAR tactics of the Bush administration. America is too smart to buy into it for another 4 years. McCain should retire. Palin should go back to Alaska and be a hockey mom. I need really people running my government

Posted by: Swedishice | October 5, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

From Michael Dobbs's article, "McCain Pow Years Forged Character," I was intrigued with this statement:

"His resistance of his captors -- especially his refusal to accept an offer that would have freed him before his comrades -- forged his character, taught him the meaning of honor and, eventually, launched him on a meteoric political career."

I had to post that just for emphasis, as we learn of McCain's upcoming tactics while we see Obama talking to voters about the issues which concerns us. It is not an informative approach to discuss how this country will benefit from it in regards to our healthcare plan, the economy, taxes, etc. Instead, at the last hour, it is blatanly being used to persuade voters by smear and fear instead of enlightening us on the issues which matters most. I and plenty of others are not blind to what is going on here and I just want to say that I would like McCain to show Honor in losing while addressing the people, especially at this last hour, on the issues. I see no Honor, with all of his supposed experience, in clawing his opponent's back as this opponent actually gains ground by means of addressing the people on the issues which matters most to us here and now. I want to McCain to show THIS character, while he's busy planning to attack his credible opponent with accusations on his. I'd like McCain to show Honor in losing, and Respect to the population by not treating them like distractable morons. McCain needs to show that he respects our intelligence, and treat us that way by addressing us, like his opponent is doing, on the issues. He needs to address us like adults, and not in this condescending manner, to push himself ahead. I think it is very disrespectful, and very low for an experienced person, a "potential leader" to stoop for This Form of last-hour-non issue-persuasion.

What good is his experience, if he has to resort to his current tactics? I'd like to see McCain show us he'll suspend the campaign of smear and fear, like he suspended his campaign to deal with the crisis (though THAT was a political stunt I disagree with).

Posted by: Obama2008 | October 5, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I am surprised that Obama's supporters are not all arrested whenever they venture outside.

Liars, liars, pants on fire!

All of them should have burnt all their pants long ago.

Posted by: wj_phillips | October 5, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain better be careful about Swift Boating Obama. As has been mentioned, he has plenty of skeletons in his closet. The latest was on Meet the Press this morning. In addressing this issue, Paul Begala said that his researcher for a book had found the following, which he chose not to put in his book:
"I had a dozen researchers go through him. I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization. It was the U.S. Council for World Freedom. It was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran-Contra scandal. It was an ultraconservative right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981, when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League, the parent organization, which ADL said, “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and Anti-Semites.”
So you can see that McCain has associated himself with people in low places.

Posted by: rpvmeyer | October 5, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"Ummmmm...., let me remind you that it was New York Times who broke the story yesterday. Where in your "beautifull mind" did you find a reason to blame McCain for it????"

NYT thoroughly debunks that Obama ever had a longstanding relationship with Ayers.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

...
Rove with lipstick

Most Burger King clerks know more about world events than Palin.

McCain, what a drop since 2000

Keating five and OJ remain innocent....

Posted by: scottinorlando | October 5, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

If you throw mud sraight up in the air there is only one place where it's going to land!

Posted by: AJBF | October 5, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jaked, we missed ya.
Ok, so after all your 1000's of lines about Obama not beating Clinton please give us your tips on the General?
America needs to know what you think so we can simply assume the opposite as fact...
Mcain is sinking my friend, and plumbing new depths as he goes down. Its only people like yuo who beleive he will win.
Obama in a close to landslide, 28days to go...

Posted by: njhardy123 | October 5, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

DemocracyRules: nice quoting Warren Buffett in an attack post against Obama. Buffett is an Obama supporter and adviser, you know.

It's truly terrifying that the McCain smear tactics seem to be working already. What kind of electorate do we HAVE in this country?

Posted by: martimr1 | October 5, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The Campaign To Nowhere...supported by Palin-McCain.

This is where their smears will get them. America is well beyond that now.

Posted by: America081 | October 5, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

What an utter disgrace McCain is. He cannot win on the issues, so now, Mr. Straight Talk, Mr. "I promised my father I'd be a man of integrity," is launching ever dirty, nasty smear he can think of.

He is despicable and a disgrace. No matter what, he can never be regarded as "hero" again.

This is what it looks like when someone gives up all their so-called principles, scruples and morals. It's ugly.

Posted by: monk4hall
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Ummmmm...., let me remind you that it was New York Times who broke the story yesterday. Where in your "beautifull mind" did you find a reason to blame McCain for it????

Posted by: AlexZ83 | October 5, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Until recently, the Obama Web site allowed a contributor to select the country where he resided from the entire membership of the United Nations, including North Korea and the Islamic Republic of Iran! Read Washington Post report ... [Oct. 5, 2008].

What is Obama afraid of?

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Posted by: nnia

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I'm sure you aren't really that ignorant you don't know this was on the part of the web site for Americans Aboard, so you must be posting it with the intent of misleading people, as in being an RNC/Palin-McCain troll.

Do you REALLY think their is that stupid? Do you really think the American people...ok, most of the American people are that stupid?

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

A vote for McCain is a vote for incestual patriotism. Only praise of America is allowed. All those who question the flawed wars of america will be deemed triators.

A vote for McCain is a Vote for more lies like the lies of WMD in Iraq. A vote for McCain is a vote for American imperialism where our ideals are shoved down the throats of other nations.

A vote for McCain is a vote against middle class, which was raped by Bush. Today the Ginni index which measures income disparity of a nation is the highest amongst the developed world.

A vote for McCain is a vote for a lack of accountabilty just like how Karl Rove and Scooter Libby were pardoned by Bush depsite the fact they were found leaking state secrets to create propaganda for Iraq war.

A vote for McCain is a vote for Health care run by Wall Street - who only want profits

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a fake AsperGirl to me. That's too bad. The TRUTH can never be a "smear".

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2008 5:17 PM

A false conclusion from a set of facts is exactly what a smear is. The more you speak the more ignorant you sound. Would you like to take back the fact that you graduated from college ? Law school seems like a virtual impossibility.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 5, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Palin goes home every night and screws a secessionist. That is a known fact.

Posted by: elle330033 | October 5, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

After watching the McCain/Palin style of campaigning, relying on character attacks based on lies, I think they are both scum. John McCain is demonstrating his advancing age and Palin is demonstrating her complete lack of ethics or morals.

Posted by: sbuerkle | October 5, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Considering Obama's legions of internet thugs, Obama is a total hypocrite to talk about smears.

Just a quick look at posting on any open site will show that Obama's internet thugs are the most vile, vicious smearers ever seen. First it was Hillary. Then McCain. then Palin. Now McCain and Palin.

The bigger the lie the more often they repeat it. They make the swift boaters look like choir boys.

No degenerate slam is beneath them. I guess they think they have dispensation from their cult leader Obama. Despite their gross sins, Obama will get them through the pearly gates -- not!

Posted by: wj_phillips | October 5, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

It is sad when a major party must resort to smear tactics to try to win.

People need to understand that many people had a range of ways to try to express disatisfaction with things going on during the 60s and 70s in the U.S.A. Even though I chose to serve in the military, I still understood. The fact that people refuse to believe that many of those who used "terrorist" tactics to get their message across are law-abiding citizens today is akin saying that people cannot change. I guess this means that the Republican campaign strategies that we have seen for some years now will never change. America must be assaulted with this garbage from campaign to campaign. As an optimist, I would like to think that even Republicans can change over time. :)

Posted by: EarlC | October 5, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

It doesn’t matter that the First Dude and the First Despot won’t testify. They already have. Here are a few highlights from the State of Alaska investigation on Palin’s complaints against her former brother-in-law, Mike Wooten.

in 2000 she wrote Wooten a glowing letter of recommendation on her mayoral letterhead– without mentioning that he was at the time dating her sister. Conflict of interest? That’s chump change for Palin.

She called him a “fine role model for my own children”, and said she had never seen him “aggitated” [sic] in the presence of children.

In 2005, Palin’s sister’s marriage went sour, and the complaints rolled in, all from Palin. Wooten was openly dating a woman named Angie Johnson. Palin and the First Dude hired a PI to follow him. They brought complaints of violence, drunk driving, and abuse against him, yet had no explanation that all the events were either not reported at all or were reported 1-3 years after they happened. Here’s an example:

The Tasering: Horrible man to taser his kid, right? According to records, which are all here, Wooten’s stepson stated that he agreed to be tasered to “try it”, and it was done in “demo mode”, on the floor, with pillows, darts taped, and for “a second or two”. The demo was done the presence of Bristol, who watched. Wooten’s wife was upstairs and did nothing to stop him. Even though it took time to set up the demo, going to the garage to deploy the prongs into a cardboard box, then setting up pillows, taping the prongs to Payton’s arm and shorts. And, even longer, because the first demo didn’t work, and they had to retape the prongs. Was the mother trying to stop him? No. Did she ever report it? No.

According to the record, “Payton related that his mother was aware that he was going to be tased and that she was upstairs with the children. Payton advised that his mother was yelling not to do it. Payton stated that he wanted to be tased to show that he’s not a mommy’s boy in front of Bristol. Following being tased he went upstairs to tell his mother that he was fine.”

Poor judgement, granted, but child abuse? No. Did Payton brag about it at school? Yes.

Gets more interesting when they interviewed Bristol. According to the record, “Bristol stated that Mike then activated the Taser for 5 to 6 seconds.” Really? Even though Payton said it was a second or two. Remember– her mom the First Witness Tamperer was in the interview.

Continuing on, “Bristol stated that Payton volunteered to be tased, and that Mike had offered to see if she wanted to try also.”

The investigator asked about why bring it up now, and her answer is quite telling:

“Bristol was asked why she waited so long and brought the incident up after two years. She then stated ‘because of the divorce and stuff.‘ Bristol further advised that she just learned that the Taser had killed a lot of people while researching it with her mom.”

These interviews happened in June 2005. Apparently dissatisfied with the results of the investigation, Palin started a new slew of accusations in August 2005, emailing Colonel Grimes with “new” claims and “new” witnesses. Still, they didn’t hold up. The Solid Waste Disposal employee he was supposed to have gotten into a fight with testified that “Wooten was not rude or inappropriate in his behavior.” The people at the bar he was supposed to have roughed up? Not a problem. People who saw him drinking? They heard it from somebody else (Palin), but didn’t see it themselves.

Sarah Barracuda, frustrated, started dragging out records from his previous divorce, saying Wooten was violent and alcoholic. Sooooo…… I guess that her character reference for him was….. wrong?

That moose he shot “out of season”? It was his wife’s tag. He took her hunting, she cried, he took the shot. She told her dad that SHE shot it, according to Heath Palin’s testimony, and SHE signed the tag saying she shot the moose. When the investigator asked her why she signed the tag, she said she was “naive” about these things. Hardly. When did it come up? When it happened? No. During the divorce. Who got punished? Was it the person who paid for the tag and signed that she’d shot the moose herself? No. Why not?

In the divorce order of January 31, 2006, Judge Suddock scolded Palin and her family for their on-going attacks against Wooten, and threatened to give custody to WOOTEN if they didn’t stop.

Obviously, they haven’t stopped, especially since the custody issues are rearing their ugly heads again. In the smoking gun phone call made by Frank Bailey in February 2008, it’s obvious that Palin had been continuing attempts to get Wooten fired. In the phone call, Bailey says that the Palins are “frustrated that it’s been over a year”, referencing how long she’d been in office and using that position to get Wooten fired. In the Frank Bailey call, he describes how the Workman’s Comp office is “across the hall” and the file was “walked over to their office”.

There is enough information already on the record that there is absolutely no way for Palin to escape serious consequences in this matter.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 5, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Open the Presidential Debates... or we will!

When the debates are limited to two increasingly similar points of view we all suffer.

http://www.thirdpartyticket.com/

Posted by: citizen_matt | October 5, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The majority of people in this country are fed up with the politics of smear and fear. The McCain/Palin attacks on Obama are ludicrous if you know the facts. They are a smear campaign obviously aimed to distract from the fact that Obama showed beyond doubt that he is eminently equipped to lead this country through the current financial mess and all its ramifications. McCain's and Palin's intellectual and political bankrupcy is painfully clear. I think they and their blind supporters are going to have a very rude awakening on election day.

Posted by: AJBF | October 5, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy Palin removed the gloves. The more she talk the worse it get for the GOP. I know a lot of people that worked on the bush 2004 campaign that said they were staying home or voting for obama.

Al franken was smeared with an ad that actually increased his lead.

The more you talk about crap, and not issues you lose.

Biden kicked assets last thursday.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Focus on the issues and the facts please. Several major media outlets considered some of the finest investigative outlets in the world including NYT, CNN and NPR among others have all concluded that there is no substantive "relationship" between Ayers and Obama. They have worked on the same committees in the Chicago area and have occasionally run into one another over the years. I believe Obama is being accused of something based on the fact that he lives in the same neighborhood as this person (who acted as a radical 40 years ago, when Obama was 8). Pointing a finger at someone based on their residential proximity to another is about as ludicrous as suggesting Palin's residential proximity to Russia makes her a Russian Communist sympathizer (and an expert in foreign affairs!!).

As for Rezko, please review the many articles that have been written on this by both major papers in Chicago, both of which have found very little story here either. Yes, Obama had a relationship with the developer but he did not buy his house through him or benefit with regard to the strip of land; in fact he paid Rezko above the appraised value. Obama has admitted that it was a mistake to perpetuate the friendship after Rezko was charged due to the likelihood of being held culpable due to the association. Honestly, if we are going to hold one candidate accountable for all the people he has befriended and/or met, then let's also talk about Charles Keating, Gordon Liddy, so called witch hunters, church elders that believe you can de-gay homosexuals and best of all, husbands who held membership in pro=secessionist organizations!

Posted by: amycwest | October 5, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

According to Mr. Bounds I too am a bad person. One night while working as a bar tender I drove a drunk woman home to her hotel room only to find out that she was a prostitute, I stayed the night with her simply because I thought she might like some company that didn't want to sleep with her. But I associated with someone who might not be considered socially acceptable. Now I am an English teacher in an inner city high school and no doubt know, interact with, and teach gang members and drug dealers. It's a good thing I'm not running for public office. It turns out I'm a terrible human being.

Posted by: CatchsDad | October 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad the American public is too intelligent for McCain/Palin. It's time we moved beyond Bush/Cheney and McCain/Palin ideas.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.," a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. The group was designed to serve as a political boot camp for Republican women in the state. She served as one of three directors until June 2005, when her name was replaced on state filings.

Ted Stevens is on trial in federal court in Washington, D.C. for corruption, for failure to report gifts from corporate donors.

Using Sarah Palin's own logic, her association with Ted Stevens makes her corrupt. What goes around comes around, Sarah.

Posted by: AKwatchman | October 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain married a mobster's daughter and has been living off their ill-gotten gains ever since.

In 1995, he sent birthday greetings to Mafia kingpin Joe "Joey Bananas" Bannano, along with apologies for not being able to attend the birthday party.

He has a record of dubious associations and sleazy dealings (Keating, Paxson, Vicki Iseman)

He has a gambling problem, being addicted to craps (which, according to McCain associates, he can play for 14 hours straight).

"Then there is McCain's association with an ultra right-wing group called the U.S. Council for World Freedom (USCWF).

"As revealed on NBC's "Meet the Press this morning, McCain sat on the board of USCWF, a group led by retired Major General John Singlaub who was later indicted in the Iran-Contra scandal.

"USCWF was founded as the Council Against Communist Aggression. They changed their name in 1980 but maintained a close affiliation with the World Anti-Communist League (WACL), their parent organization.

"The Anti-Defamation League characterized the WACL this way: “[WACL] has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and Anti-Semites"."

Is the geriatric old fool sure he wants to play this game?

Posted by: pali2500 | October 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DemocracyRules
A vote for Obama is a vote for Socialist States of America.
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Have you been paying attention to recent events? It is already socialist, but only for the rich. If it was socialist for everyone, you would have have free universal health care and free education. $700bn would about cover that for everyone.

Posted by: thought1 | October 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

This is the video Obama doesn't want you to see?

Shows the connection between William Ayers (terrorist) and Barack Hussein Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEeHl0h3NBo

Posted by: esperito | October 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

This is called DESPERATION!

Posted by: jalehw | October 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA BIDEN 08....!!!!

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I have news for Hannity.

He works for Fox part of News Limited. The largest News Corporation on the Planet.

Hannity IS Mainstream News Media.

Posted by: guytaur1 | October 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse


No need to smear. Just tell the the story that the WAPO/MSM won't tell about Obamas relationship with radical Bill Ayers, his shady dealings with Tony Rezko, a known criminal. Obamas 20 year relationship with a known racist Rev (Goddamm America) Jerey Wright.

The fact that Obama gets all his support from the granola eating SanFran Hollywood types, and refers to middle American democrats as "clinging to their guns and religion"


Let's remember folks that the MSM media is doing their best to get Obama elected.

You can listen to their slanted stories about the candidates. Or, you can think for yourself.

Find out about what the MSM won't tell you about these candidates.

Think about the fact that Obama has NO - None - Nada, no leadership experience what so ever!

Think about the fact that we live in a dangerous world - where McCain would stand up to our enemies - Obama would make appeasements and rollover.

Think about Obamas most liberal voting record in the Senate. Believe - he will raise taxes on American at the absolute worste possible time for our economy.

Think and vote McCain.

America needs Mcain as our leader now!


Think, learn, listen, and vote.

Don't just have the WAPO/MSM misleading stories ram this election down your throat.


Posted by: Jaymand | October 5, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS! Sunday, October 5

Millions in Illegal Contributions from Iran to Obama: Is Iran trying to influence the US elections? Well the records show yes. Iran would benefit with Obama in the White House.
According to both Washington Post and Reuters, Sen. Obama has raised millions of dollars in very questionable contributions including our enemy, Iran. The Federal Elections Commission (FEC) will not confirm whether they're conducting an investigation, but FEC has asked the Obama campaign to explain or to return some of it. That includes over $17,000 given in $25 increments by someone named "Good Will" and listing his employer as "Loving" and his occupation as "You". Someone using similar obviously false information donated even more, claiming to be from a different city.

It also includes millions of dollars from overseas donors. While past campaigns have placed stringent safeguards to ensure that all of that money was coming from U.S. citizens, the Obama campaign has not complied:


The FEC breakdown of the Obama campaign has identified a staggering $222.7 million as coming from contributions of $200 or less [note: more than half of the total]. Only $39.6 million of that amount comes from donors the Obama campaign has identified...
...The FEC has compiled a separate database of potentially questionable overseas donations that contains more than 11,500 contributions totaling $33.8 million. More than 520 listed their “state” as “IR,” often an abbreviation for Iran. Another 63 listed it as “UK,” the United Kingdom...

...[about $200,000 might be legit, but] others came from places as far as Saudi Arabia, Somalia, China, Iraq, Italy, and a wide selection of towns and cities in France.


Until recently, the Obama Web site allowed a contributor to select the country where he resided from the entire membership of the United Nations, including North Korea and the Islamic Republic of Iran! Read Washington Post report ... [Oct. 5, 2008].

What is Obama afraid of?

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Posted by: nnia | October 5, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama showed himself to be steady calm and informed on the credit crisis.. McCain was erratic, unsure and uninformed about the economy and the crisis.

McCain wants you to forget all that and think about a casual relationship that was not part of his advisory staff. With all the people that Obama knew they had to talk about someone who has been only a casual relationship.

I after all went to school with Rev Wright. I barely knew him and I and the 209 of my classmates could be smeared by such a tenuous relationship.

McCain has abandoned the middle class. He has forwarded an economic plan he should know will fail because he knows it has failed in the past eight years. Your job as voters is to select the candidate that will work for this country. Not for the one who has been a proven failure. Such a failure that all he can do is sink into the gutter.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 5, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Open the Presidential Debates... or we will!

When the debates are limited to two increasingly similar points of view we all suffer.

http://www.thirdpartyticket.com/

Posted by: citizen_matt | October 5, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

lies of OBAMA;

1) broke HIS OWN pledge to finance campaign ethically
2) playing race card filled with race-baiting lies in spanish-speaking ads (100 times worse than anything seen before)
3) pretending palin did no reforming in Alaska
4) lying about demoCRITES being true cause of housing crisis (he took SO much money from fannie/freddie)
5) lying about his record with Israel
6) Lying about his prior positions on late-term abortions
7) lying about john mccain's record - an honorable American hero
8) lying about his tax reform plan - how can you decrease taxes for 95% of Americans when 30% are not even paying income tax ???
9) lying about the 250,000 dollars threshold to increase taxes - that's not individual income - it is family income (see the fine print)
10) lying about his own prior positions on the surge in Iraq

isn't lie number one by itself enough to make you ask, "WHO IS THIS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND WHERE IS HE GETTING ALL OF THIS MONEY" ??????

Posted by: jothemedicaldoctor | October 5, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Keating 5 ring a bell?
McCain's past collides with the present Wall Street debacle.

Once upon a time, a politician took campaign contributions and favors from a friendly constituent who happened to run a savings and loan association. The contributions were generous: They came to about $200,000 in today's dollars, and on top of that there were several free vacations for the politician and his family, along with private jet trips and other perks. The politician voted repeatedly against congressional efforts to tighten regulation of S&Ls, and in 1987, when he learned that his constituent's S&L was the target of a federal investigation, he met with regulators in an effort to get them to back off.

That politician was John McCain, and his generous friend was Charles Keating, head of Lincoln Savings & Loan.....


http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-oe-brooks25-2008sep25,0,1039504.column


Posted by: dogsbestfriend | October 5, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain the stunt man and his attack dog Palin are now questioning Obamas past associations with Ayers, which have been thorougly debunked.

Even if there was a tenuous relationship between Obama and Ayers most Americans really wont care as they know that the definition of Patriotism is not unfettered support of the wars that we have fought even though some of them were seriously flawed in intent. William Ayers was indeed a radical- albiet a radical patriot who hated our involvement in Vietnam. He was wrong in resorting to violence. Something that Obama thoroughly denounced.

Compare that with the fake patriot McCain who in the gravest finacial crisis of american since depression starts a stunt of suspending his campaign to rescue the economy when for days he preached to his faithful that our Economic fundamentals were strong.

McCain was an accidental POW in Vietnam, who frankly may have not have known how to fly decently. It is undisputable that McCain graduated the bottom of his class at the NAval academy and was involved in the destruction of Four naval planes before.

Vote against the fake Patriot McCain. Vote against the snake oil salesmen - Republicans who sold to you the American public a war based on lies of WMD. Vote against the snake oil sales men who consistently raped the middle class of America during the last 8 years - making our income disparity the highest amongst the developed world.

4th of November is our day of Judgement

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

A simple thought experiment for any of you liberals that have any semblance of a brain:

If a young Republican candidate for president had similar associations with an UNREPENTANT ABORTION CLINIC BOMBER, would you and the press give him/her a pass?

I didn't think so. I know it's difficult, but try to think with your mind for once.

Posted by: Independent62 | October 5, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

jwoods3:

I am more troubled by Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his associates.

Posted by: JarkD | October 5, 2008 8:25 PM Report abuse

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No, you are more troubled by mental problems that I hope you get help with soon. Besides you, Augustworst1, and Iowatrashers, I have never seen anyone so obsessed with smearing someone. If any of you had shown any credibility whatsoever I wouldn't protest your posts. But lying, deceiving, and over the top slime cannot be left unchecked.

Posted by: abigsam | October 5, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Open the Presidential Debates... or we will!

When the debates are limited to two increasingly similar points of view we all suffer.

http://www.thirdpartyticket.com/

Posted by: citizen_matt | October 5, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Now let's get it right, First Dude re-registered as a Republican when S. Palin (is the "S" really for SATAN or is that the "S" in McCain's name?) ran for Lieutenant Governor of Alaska in 2002. You know, the same year the Palins stopped going to the more radical Wasilla Assembly of G-d and started going to the more "moderate" Wasilla Bible Church. I'm sure that was all coincidence though and not premeditated posturing.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse


What an utter disgrace McCain is. He cannot win on the issues, so now, Mr. Straight Talk, Mr. "I promised my father I'd be a man of integrity," is launching ever dirty, nasty smear he can think of.

He is despicable and a disgrace. No matter what, he can never be regarded as "hero" again.

This is what it looks like when someone gives up all their so-called principles, scruples and morals. It's ugly.

Posted by: monk4hall | October 5, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

This is a new low...even for this shallow upstart, Sarah Palin.

Posted by: gtsharon | October 5, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

The campaign should be conducted on the issues. Personal attacks should not drive the news coverage. It would help a lot if the same number of words were devoted to explaining complex issues instead of repeating personal attacks and responses to them. It is time that americans and their representatives returned to the days of civil discourse. Demonizing the opponent is an insult to the intelligence of the american voters.

Posted by: mhm2 | October 5, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

KEATING 5

KEATING 5

KEATING 5

KEATING 5

KEATING 5

GOT IT?

Posted by: mjorbach1 | October 5, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Why don't reporters raise the issue of Palin consorting with a witch hunter?

Posted by: button2 | October 5, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I am more troubled by Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his associates.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2008 8:25 PM
___________________________

Ooooooh
JakieD is back!

I am more troubled by the ramblin' nonsense of Jake STALIN D.
Fer sure.

PS Is that the real JakeD or the fake JakeD or Jake's girl Dianne72, the racist spoutin' mountebank who's been quiet these past few weeks (again, undoubtably done in by Barry HUSSEIN Obama and Hillary (i bagged Vince) Clinton.

Posted by: edlharris | October 5, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

PALIN: I think they look at us as another Alaska family that adapts to job situations and enjoys Alaska, so they can relate to us. You know, we're just another family that, you know, juggles kids' busy schedules, juggles jobs, and still has fun doing all that stuff. And so, you know, there's lots of Alaska families that do that and there's a lot of American families that do the same.

That quote is Todd Palin from a Greta Vansusterin interview from a few weeks ago. Apparently Todd Palin doesn't think Alaskan families are American families but at least he thinks they have some things in common with them. Sarah has a lot of nerve criticizing Obama for a casual acquaintance when she is married to a secessionist.

Posted by: jesther | October 5, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Sarah knows that she's been "palling around" with a treasonous traitor who the North Vietnamese called "Songbird McCain" because of how he turned on his Country when he was held captive-- of course she doesnt "she was like in kindergarten when that was happening".

Posted by: pax_vobiscum2002 | October 5, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Palin is "nice-ty". Nasty, in such a nice way.

Posted by: dtmpkns | October 5, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I will trash the republican candidates,
call them trailer trash,
non patriotic pigs
and sleazy liars,
and then I will decry
the smear of our beloved
anti-christ barack hussein obama...
liberals hate religion,
because it counts faith and
compassion as universal
expressions of an ultimate reality.
and they would have us worship them
and their shallow materialist achievements.
NOBAMA08

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse


McCain explains his TAX Cuts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwtayJCK5LY

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | October 5, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

maggitt / maggot / whatever you call yourself;

you name yourself well;


limbaugh was misquoted 100% out of context and obama knew it when he made the ad - limbaugh was mocking demoCRITES who thought those racist things about hispanics as was made evident by their actions and policies - and limbaugh did not support mccain at all (until it was mccain v. obama and at that point, all sane persons who like America endorse Mccain) SO IT WAS A BLATANT LIE AND OBAMA KNEW IT WAS A LIE BUT HE PLAYED THE RACE CARD ANYWAY AND HE PLAYED IT FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE DECK WITH ANOTHER OBAMIDEN LIE .......... OBAMA IS THE LIAR IN THIS RACE STARTING WITH CAMPAIGN FINANCE AND TAX POLICY AND YOU CAN'T DISPUTE IT BECAUSE NO ONE CAN - YOUR MONUMENT TO THE ABOLITION OF RACISM IS IN FACT, A RACIST (what other kind of person plays the race card so blatantly) ... I used to like OBAMA until I discovered him to be a COMPLETE FRAUD ..... I do not know if limbaugh is entirely sane, but I do know a lot of liberals are closet racists and I do know that OBAMA IS A FRAUD - SINCE I LOVE MY COUNTRY, I WILL SUPPORT HIS OPPONENT - ESPECIALLY BECAUSE MCCAIN IS AN HONORABLE AMERICAN HERO

Posted by: jothemedicaldoctor | October 5, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Obviously the "change" that McCain / Palin and the Republican campaign and supporters are talking about is - changing the subject.....What a hopeless lot. And, it is clear that the majority of right thinking American voters will vote the Republican Party to where it belongs... nowhere....

To the right wingers who are following McCain's "leadership" or "maverickship" -- you are on a "sinking ship".

I guess that is why you are all so desperate with your posts. That is why you have to make stuff up. And why you have to aggressively change the subject. That is what Hillary did. She failed. McCain will fail too, only more quickly and by a wider margin. Because much has changed since the spring and McCain ain't no Hillary...

Posted by: paulstewart | October 5, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Jake d

Palin is hot? Palin is far from hot she is a cold hearted woman that will do anything or anybody to get ahead. A mother of four and a grandmother of one running for veep.

She played every card in the deck the first two weeks of august, now the gov from the oil state ran out of gas.

She could never be Dick cheney because one thing dick have that she don't is a brain.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

In a time of an economy crisis American’s do not want to hear Smears and lies. Palin’s recent smears only hurt McCane's chances not OBAMA’s

OBAMA-BIDEN 08


Posted by: norcomspe | October 5, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

PALIN: I think they look at us as another Alaska family that adapts to job situations and enjoys Alaska, so they can relate to us. You know, we're just another family that, you know, juggles kids' busy schedules, juggles jobs, and still has fun doing all that stuff. And so, you know, there's lots of Alaska families that do that and there's a lot of American families that do the same.


That's a quote of Todd Palin's from a few weeks ago in a Greta VanSusteran interview. He doesn't seem to think Alaskans are even Americans to this day. Sarah Palin has a lot of gall criticizing Obama for a casual acquaintance with Ayers when she is married to a secessionist.

Posted by: jesther | October 5, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

If McCain wants to press this issue, and the media can't bring themselves to ignore it, why don't they raise, all on their own, and without requiring Obama to get down in the mud with McCain, the issue of McCain's "close friend" (McCain's words) G. Gordon Liddy? The convicted felon who subverted the constitution and (much more recently) broadcast advice to people on how best to shoot federal agents?

The media should ignore McCain's attempt to get into the mud, but won't. Are they objective enough to actually ask McCain and his thugs why Ayers is relevant and Liddy is not?

Posted by: Seytom1 | October 5, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Palin's son is going to Iraq is because the judge said, "either that or jail," as a result of his dealing drugs.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Funny how some people are so focused on finding dirt on others with opposing view points that they refuse to see, (voluntarily, or involuntarity), the danger that might be lurking right under their noses!

Obama & Rev Wright (Excuse: No, he umm, does not umm agree with the Rev, and besides he’s umm just like a Crazy Uncle.)

Obama & Resko (Excuse: No, they were only neighbor, he had no umm connections, he just sold some land to him and got a good deal from it)

Obama & Ayers (Excuse: No he only launched his campaign from Ayers’ Home, but he umm didn’t know him that well)

Obama & 2nd Largest Contributions from Corrupt Mortgage Companies (Excuse: Um, all policians do that, and besides um he wasn’t the Larges, it was Chris Dodd!)

Obama & Harvard tuition paid by questionable individual (Excuses, Excuses, Excuses!)

Take your chances, I won’t say I told you so!

Posted by: alohais | October 5, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

THERE ARE NO SMEAR CAMPAIGNS GOING ON. I THINK THAT IF THE SHOE FITS OBAMA THEN HE NEEDS TO WEAR IT. THERE IS SO MUCH CORRUPTION IN HIS LIFE THAT HE CANNOT BE TRUSTED LET ALONE THINK OF BEING PRESIDENT. IT IS HIS OWN DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT DOWNED HIM STATING THAT HE WAS NOT READY TO BE PRESIDENT. AS FOR ME I WANT JOHN MCCAIN TO BE THE ONE TO GET THAT 3AM CALL. I FEEL SAFE WITH HIM.
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if you believe this post I have a "bridge to nowhere" for sale.

Posted by: guytaur1 | October 5, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I hear it's true that John McCain has a black baby born out of wedlock? How do I know that? Because all those Republican supporters of Dubya in South Carolina said so back during the 2000 campaign. You don't suppose Republicans would lie do you? So it must be true, right? That's thr trouble with a smear campaign, you see, a clown as dirty as John McCain - not to mention his idiot VP selection - has too many skeletons in the closet to start throwing mud. Keating 5, running out on his first family & becoming a rich, kept gigolo, crashing planes and using daddy & gramps to keep from getting tossed out of the Navy, signing propaganda letter for Viet Cong....lots of skeletons waiting to come out McShame...and Barbie Airhead is a walking bag of skeletons crawling out from under some alaskan rock...how's the naked twister videos, Sarah Sap? Have they come out yet?

Posted by: Jerryvov | October 5, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

The truth about Obama is not being discussed by the elite media, so somebody has to do it.

Posted by: CvilleBoy | October 5, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

To the goofballs claiming Obama has no American birth certificate, check this out:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

... from a website set up to counter smears spread by people like you.
________________________________________________________________________________________

And to be believed by fools like you.

.

Posted by: AugustWest1 | October 5, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

yes, how foolish to believe facts. it's much better to go with unsubstantiated rumors. as george costanza said, "its not a lie if you believe it."

did you see the archived birth announcement in the hawaii paper from the week obama was born. yeah, probably faked. or, obama's parents, knowing he would someday be the subject of such smear tactics, placed this fake announcement in the newspaper to cover up the fact that he is not a us citizen. yeah, that makes sense. i think i'll believe that. so sad.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 5, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Desperation in action. McCain hasn't spoken to the issues all campaign and now he's going to not even talk about the economy because he has no plan-- the Country has had enough of the McCain lies and hate. Senator McCain it's time for you to retire to one of your dwellings. McCain: Afraid to Face the American People-- Not Ready to Lead. God Bless America!!

Posted by: pax_vobiscum2002 | October 5, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that McCain supporters try to paint Obama falsely, when Palin's husband is a member of a secessionist group. That's right - Palin's husband was a member of a group that wants to secede from the US...I call that anti-American.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin...I'm looking forward to hearing what you and McCain have to say after Alaska's Legislature publicizes it's Troopergate ruling regarding your alleged abuse of power and firing of a hard-working Alaskan state official and citizen who had nothing to do with your personal family mess.

We the People would like to know!

Posted by: America081 | October 5, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and Gentlemen !
Here before you ...
the GOP Candidacy ...
In The Death Throes !

Hurray for America !
----------------------------
Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 5, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

We're talking about the same John McCain who left his disabled wife to marry rich Cindy, who herself went on to steal drugs from a charity, right?

Not sure he should be going there.

Posted by: 212Max | October 5, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

J.McCAIN, G.BUSH AND THEIR GANG ARE THE REAL "TERRORISTS", WHO CREATED THIS ECONOMIC MESS,LOST THE RESPECT OF THE REST OF THE WORLD, INVADED COUNTRIES FORCING UNNECESSARY DEATHS OF 5,000+ MARINES AND 40,000+ WOUNDED. AS OF THOSE WHO VOTED FOR G.BUSH AND SUPPORT J.McCAIN/S.PALIN, ARE AS GUILTY. PROSECUTION IS THE LEAST THAT THESE CLOWNS DESERVE, IF AMERICA HAS DEMOCRACY AND JUSTICE !!!

Posted by: mtavro | October 5, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Songbird is a traitor.

Posted by: lwps | October 5, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain is scared. His reflex reaction is to be more like Bush and go for smear tactics instead of running on his own merit. What a piece of trash. I hope he does try and swift boat, I do not think America will buy it any more.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | October 5, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Senator McCain remember when GW Bush did the exact same thing to him eight years ago in South Carolina? And when he said he'd "rather lose an election" than to run a campaign that way?

It's up to the American people to tell politicians that they are sick and tired of it regardless of party. I doubt they will, but here's to change.

Posted by: amaikovich | October 5, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

jwoods3:

I am more troubled by Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his associates.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Who cares how dirty McCain is, at least he is not a socialist and at least he has a hot vp

vote palin / mccain!
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Posted by: Jake_D | October 5, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Please - the only Swift Boating being done is by Obama himself.

He has launched attacks based on age, gender, health, working motherhood, and about every other discriminatory variable aside from race.

He started his campaign promising Americans that he would be different - but he turned out to be the worst of the worst.

Posted by: mgd1 | October 5, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's talk about the hypocrisy and the

desperation of Obama and his cult members

who have very short memories. Here's a

little story from the NY Times on

September 26, 2008 by Jim Ruttenberg and

Julie Bosman for the phony indignant

hypocritical cult members:

Two weeks ago, Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign gleefully publicized a spate of news reports about misleading and untruthful statements in the advertisements of his rival, Senator John McCain. Asked by a voter in New Hampshire if he would respond in kind, Mr. Obama said, “I just have a different philosophy, I’m going to respond with the truth,” adding, “I’m not going to start making up lies about John McCain.”

Yet as Mr. McCain’s misleading advertisements became fodder on shows like “The View” and “Saturday Night Live,” Mr. Obama began his own run of advertisements on radio and television that have matched the dubious nature of Mr. McCain’s more questionable spots.

A radio advertisement running in Wisconsin and other contested states misleadingly reports that Mr. McCain “has stood in the way of” federal financing for stem cell research; Mr. McCain did once oppose such federally supported research but broke with President Bush to consistently support it starting in 2001 (his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, does not support it).

A commercial running here on Thursday morning highlighting Mr. McCain’s votes against incentives for alternative energy misleadingly asserts he supports tax breaks for “one source of energy: oil companies.” Mr. McCain’s proposed corporate tax break would cover all companies, including those developing new sources of power.

A new television advertisement playing in areas with high concentrations of elderly voters and emphasizing Mr. McCain’s support for President Bush’s failed plan for private Social Security accounts misleadingly implies Mr. McCain supported “cutting benefits in half” — an analysis of Mr. Bush’s plan that would have applied to upper-income Americans retiring in the year 2075.

A much criticized Spanish-language television advertisement wrongly links the views of Mr. McCain, who was a champion of the sweeping immigration overhaul pushed by Mr. Bush, to those of Rush Limbaugh, a harsh critic of the approach, and, frequently, of Mr. McCain.

The advertisement implies Mr. Limbaugh is one of Mr. McCain’s “Republican friends,” and quotes Mr. Limbaugh as calling Mexicans “stupid and unqualified.” Mr. Limbaugh has written that his quotes were taken out of context and that he was mocking the views of others.

In all, Mr. Obama has released at least five commercials that have been criticized as misleading or untruthful against Mr. McCain’s positions in the past two weeks. Mr. Obama drew complaints from many of the independent fact-checking groups and editorial writers who just two weeks ago were criticizing Mr. McCain for producing a large share of this year’s untruthful spots (“Pants on Fire,” the fact-checking Web site PolitiFact.com wrote of Mr. Obama’s advertisement invoking Mr. Limbaugh; “False!” FactCheck.org said of his commercial on Social Security.)

Some Democrats expressed concern that Mr. Obama, in stretching the truth in some of his advertisements, was putting at risk the “above politics” persona he has tried to cultivate.

People in glass houses...................


Posted by: AugustWest1 | October 5, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Swiftboating is what gave us Bush. A stronger case against this kind of campaigning I cannot think of.

McCain promised an honorable campaign. Apparently that doesn't apply to anyone who works for him.

Posted by: greg_cunneen | October 5, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Fear, Hate and division. It's all they've got. There goes Sarah, looking backwards again to the same old politics instead of looking ahead to fixing the mess Republicans have gotten America into,

Posted by: thebobbob | October 5, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

quitpatriot1776 has gone quiet.


Maybe Obama and Hillary (an ace on these matters due to her bagging Vince Foster)
kidnapped him along with help from aliens and are replacing quitpartiot1776 with an exact duplicate.

enquiring minds want to know

Posted by: edlharris | October 5, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The heck with Keating, what about issues relevant to today? McCain has Fannie/Freddie lobbyists running his campaign and as his chief of staff. What about McCain's shady dealing and connections to Las Vegas and Indian gambling? Not only lobbyists but industry principles. McCain might well have been involved in the Abramoff scandal himself except he was aligned with Abramoff's competitors.

McCain had better be very careful about slinging mud, he is hardly Mr. Clean. Can you say G. Gordon Liddy? A TRUE American terrorist, not like that upper middle class radical hack Ayers.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 5, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama was associated with William Ayers a radical anti war protestor from Vietnam era.

Ofcourse those links are tenuous at best however - it does bring us to the issue why did some people in 60s protest against the war in Vietnam - and some like William Ayers so vehemently? Today we are in a similar situation where we are in a very expensive war in Iraq.

Why should we be in places where we have no reason to be? Prior to the iraq war Iraq was under brutal UN sanctions with no fly zones implemented by US. Inspection after inspection only showed there were no WMDS- which indeed were never found. Prior to the war in Iraq, there was no Al Qeada in Iraq. Today Al Qaeda is made legitemized in the eyes of arabs as it sells itself as a religious independence movement.

Bush threw dust into the eyes of American people, the senate and the congress to impose the neo con imperialistic agenda of shoving down our ideals on to people of foreign lands whether they want it or not.

Is this what we want to be - an imperialist power? Are we truly the shining city on the hill as Reagan and now the lipstick on a pig - Palin wants us to believe? Are we going to allow this incestuos praise of our own selves pandered so cheaply by snake oil Republican salesmen to continue - where no criticizm of our follies is allowed.

How are we ever going to learn from our mistakes of the past.

Vote the Republican thugs out of power. Nov 4 is the day of judgement for us Americans. We have to choose, choose between what is righteous and what is the path of evil which Bush has led us into.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

lies of OBAMA;

1) broke HIS OWN pledge to finance campaign ethically
2) playing race card filled with race-baiting lies in spanish-speaking ads (100 times worse than anything seen before)
3) pretending palin did no reforming in Alaska
4) lying about demoCRITES being true cause of housing crisis (he took SO much money from fannie/freddie)
5) lying about his record with Israel
6) Lying about his prior positions on late-term abortions
7) lying about john mccain's record - an honorable American hero
8) lying about his tax reform plan - how can you decrease taxes for 95% of Americans when 30% are not even paying income tax ???
9) lying about the 250,000 dollars threshold to increase taxes - that's not individual income - it is family income (see the fine print)
10) lying about his own prior positions on the surge in Iraq

isn't lie number one by itself enough to make you ask, "WHO IS THIS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND WHERE IS HE GETTING ALL OF THIS MONEY" ??????

Posted by: jothemedicaldoctor | October 5, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

And Obama is playing nice???? Today there's an ad poking fun at McCain's age. Sorry, I like to play these things -as opposed to the Washington Post- with a small degree of fairness. Both candidates have fired some low ones. And especially Obama, I might add.

Posted by: birvin9999 | October 5, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The advertisement implies Mr. Limbaugh is one of Mr. McCain’s “Republican friends,” and quotes Mr. Limbaugh as calling Mexicans “stupid and unqualified.” Mr. Limbaugh has written that his quotes were taken out of context and that he was mocking the views of others.


People in glass houses...................


Posted by: AugustWest1 | October 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

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Limbaugh isn't denying the quotes and he is a strong McCain supporter.

Posted by: maggots | October 5, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

does anyone but, mcCain and rightwing care about some guy who was a radical 40 years ago? It's so ancient and the guy is in his 60s now.
who cares.
the rightwing needs to stop living in the past. they are so hung up on the 1960s and need to live in the 2000s.
Nixon is dead and it's a new century and no one cares about Ayres.

Posted by: vwcat | October 5, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Palin's husband was a member of a society which advocated Alaska's secession from the United States of America. Does that mean she was aiding and abetting this group?
Does that make her an associate of someone who advocated treason?

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

To the goofballs claiming Obama has no American birth certificate, check this out:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

... from a website set up to counter smears spread by people like you.
________________________________________________________________________________________

And to be believed by fools like you.

.

Posted by: AugustWest1 | October 5, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Calling Sarah Palin "trailer trash," is doing a disservice to all the fine, honest, hard working Americans who live in trailer parks.

Palin is beneath contempt with her lying, scheming, ignorant, fear mongering. She is about as arrogantly stupid as anyone that I've seen on the political scene in my sixty seven years. Someone needs to wash her mouth out with some strong soap and get that lying lipstick off of her scheming face.

Senator Obama served honorably in the Illinois State Senate, and the United States Senate. He is a loyal American who has the intelligence and good judgment to lead our country.

This barbie doll Bonnie, and her over the hill demented Clyde, are out to rob the American public of any hope that they have of making the changes in government that will get the McCain style lobbyists out of the White House and back to their luxury mansions where they can rot.

Her smear campaign if allowed to go unchecked will tear our electorate apart. She has no plans, no solutions, and can only rely on knee capping the opposition.

Not this time, Bonnie and Clyde.

Viet-Nam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 5, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

If questionable "personal associations" are now going to be the focus of the last month of the campaign, let's not forget McCain's homo-erotic full frontal embrace of George W. Bush. And just how was James Guckert, the male prostitute of Hotmilitarystud.com and of Militaryescorts4m.com, able to masquerade as a reporter and get access to the White House press room? Has Guckert "interviewed" McCain yet? Have they engaged in any heavy "military role-playing" together?

Posted by: HughBriss | October 5, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party is a big tent party. It attracts people with diverse backgrounds and viewpoints. The Republican party is a small tent, or pup tent party. There is barely enough room in the Republican tent for an evangelical preacher and an eleven year old boy.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 5, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Who heard? The only reason Palin's son is going to Iraq is because the judge said, "either that or jail," as a result of his dealing drugs.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Hannity keep crying about the msm rush the drive by media, but they will throw out false statements from unreliable sources 24/7.

When called out on all the lies they move to the next half truth or lie.

Sarah Palin said couric annoyed her. Simple questions could have been answered easily by a Kay baily hutchinson or Hillary clinton two well educated women.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Witch Doctors. Stupidity. Zero judgment. Wrong on Iraq. Keating Five. G. Gordon Liddy. Alaskan Separatists. Old and too feeble to be prez. Affairs.

Posted by: KentHancock | October 5, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse


It is ironic to me that Obama is using a 'Smear' word, since Democrats have done nothing but smear Palin. Obama is a socialist with a far left wing agenda. I voted for democrats my entire life, But I guess I am now ready for Change. I will vote for McCain/Palin

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

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If you are going to be a McCain troll, at least be honest about it. The way you worded this posting, no one is going to believe you ever voted for a Democrat.

Posted by: maggots | October 5, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

If Obama's birth certficate wasn't authentic, I'm sure Hawaii's republican governor would have had something to say about it by now. Deal in reality.

Now, Americans are absolutely sick of republican hate, republican rule, republican spin, republican lies, republican self-righteousness of everyone else but themselves, and republican pro-life stance but okay-to-kill stance with wars and death penalties.

The right has become a party of cult sect-like folks that are becoming extinct in America. America is about progress. Smears set us back -- especially if those smearing have closets full of stuff themselves.

McCain is a farce. Palin is a joke.

Posted by: America081 | October 5, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Tucker, what about Keating (a felon who bribed McCain)? What about Phil Gramm a politician responsible, along with McCain, for deregulating banks and investment companies and called America wimps for being concerned about the economy? What about McCain being an adulterer, cheating on his wife multiple times (and when he did it it was a court martial offense)? Talk about shady characters!

Posted by: rcc_2000 | October 5, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

John McCain wants to "turn the page on the economy" and distract voters from the real issues. Well, on November 4, the American people get a chance to turn the page. They get a chance to turn the page on George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John McCain, GOP senators and congressman, and the whole sorry Republican party and its bankrupt policies. Good riddance and a kick in the pants on the way out.

Posted by: prospector7 | October 5, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

To the goofballs claiming Obama has no American birth certificate, check this out:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

... from a website set up to counter smears spread by people like you.

Posted by: groversald | October 5, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I find Sarah Palin's associations to be far more troublesome: Jews for Jesus, the Witch Doctor, Pat Buchanan, and Alaskan secessionists to name a few.

Posted by: jwoods3 | October 5, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate was dangerous, craven and unpatriotic.

How could he do that to our country?

Posted by: trace1 | October 5, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain knows that going negative is his only hope. His attempt to commandeer the Wall Street bailout bill backfired, making him look like a fool and a hypocrite when he then had to vote for an earmark laden bill to get his Republican colleagues in the House to swallow the bitter pill of corporate welfare. His vice presidential choice is now only playing to the base--independents are not going to buy the Ayers association nonsense. And early voting will begin this week in some states. I don't see how a tired and desperate McCain can use the Tuesday debate to help himself. If he exhibits the same contempt he showed for Obama in the first debate , McCain will only further assure that independents will flock to Obama. McCain may be good at town hall meetings, but that assessment seems to only be true if he has a screened crowd of supporters who toss him softball questions. That will not be the case Tuesday, so expect a hot tempered McCain to go off the deep end. The man has sold himself to the devil Rove, and he's still going to lose. Must be galling for him, but he'll still have Cindi's fortune to sustain him. That is unless she is so angry about not getting to be first lady that she banishes McCain from all her seven houses.

Posted by: azjimn2son | October 5, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain explains his TAX Cuts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwtayJCK5LY

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | October 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Quietpatriot1776 and Democracy rules are prime examples of the insidious GOP tactic of "authoritative lying." The basic premise is to tell the lie as confidently and frequently as possible so as to turn perception into reality. When all is said and done, they're just simple liars intending to exploit the uninformed.

Incidentally Quietpatriot1776, in spite of your unequivocal and authoritative assertion that ALL Members of Congress receive security clearances, YOU'RE WRONG. As a former staffer on the Hill, I can say unequivocally that only Members and Staff on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence APPLY for and receive security clearances. Get your facts straight nimrod and give up the GOP misinformation campaign.

Posted by: goldbear85 | October 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's talk about the hypocrisy and the

desperation of Obama and his cult members

who have very short memories. Here's a

little story from the NY Times on

September 26, 2008 by Jim Ruttenberg and

Julie Bosman for the phony indignant

hypocritical cult members:

Two weeks ago, Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign gleefully publicized a spate of news reports about misleading and untruthful statements in the advertisements of his rival, Senator John McCain. Asked by a voter in New Hampshire if he would respond in kind, Mr. Obama said, “I just have a different philosophy, I’m going to respond with the truth,” adding, “I’m not going to start making up lies about John McCain.”

Yet as Mr. McCain’s misleading advertisements became fodder on shows like “The View” and “Saturday Night Live,” Mr. Obama began his own run of advertisements on radio and television that have matched the dubious nature of Mr. McCain’s more questionable spots.

A radio advertisement running in Wisconsin and other contested states misleadingly reports that Mr. McCain “has stood in the way of” federal financing for stem cell research; Mr. McCain did once oppose such federally supported research but broke with President Bush to consistently support it starting in 2001 (his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, does not support it).

A commercial running here on Thursday morning highlighting Mr. McCain’s votes against incentives for alternative energy misleadingly asserts he supports tax breaks for “one source of energy: oil companies.” Mr. McCain’s proposed corporate tax break would cover all companies, including those developing new sources of power.

A new television advertisement playing in areas with high concentrations of elderly voters and emphasizing Mr. McCain’s support for President Bush’s failed plan for private Social Security accounts misleadingly implies Mr. McCain supported “cutting benefits in half” — an analysis of Mr. Bush’s plan that would have applied to upper-income Americans retiring in the year 2075.

A much criticized Spanish-language television advertisement wrongly links the views of Mr. McCain, who was a champion of the sweeping immigration overhaul pushed by Mr. Bush, to those of Rush Limbaugh, a harsh critic of the approach, and, frequently, of Mr. McCain.

The advertisement implies Mr. Limbaugh is one of Mr. McCain’s “Republican friends,” and quotes Mr. Limbaugh as calling Mexicans “stupid and unqualified.” Mr. Limbaugh has written that his quotes were taken out of context and that he was mocking the views of others.

In all, Mr. Obama has released at least five commercials that have been criticized as misleading or untruthful against Mr. McCain’s positions in the past two weeks. Mr. Obama drew complaints from many of the independent fact-checking groups and editorial writers who just two weeks ago were criticizing Mr. McCain for producing a large share of this year’s untruthful spots (“Pants on Fire,” the fact-checking Web site PolitiFact.com wrote of Mr. Obama’s advertisement invoking Mr. Limbaugh; “False!” FactCheck.org said of his commercial on Social Security.)

Some Democrats expressed concern that Mr. Obama, in stretching the truth in some of his advertisements, was putting at risk the “above politics” persona he has tried to cultivate.

People in glass houses...................


Posted by: AugustWest1 | October 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The new tactic from McJerk (yes, we understand the difference between a tactic and a strategy, John) is some of the best news I've heard all year. The only thing that has kept McJerk from being caught in a landslide is his claim to be a different kind of Republican. This latest tactic shows that there isn't any difference, and that is going to spell a LANDSLIDE defeat for McJerk and his talking cheerleader doll.

Posted by: OriginalMagicDog | October 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

This SP must be some kind of SCREWBALL
McCain and his staff can sure pick them.

The biggest and # one terrorist in this country is Geore W. Bush, Dead Eye Cheney and Nazi K Rove.

I wont go into the history of the Bush Clan, but surfice to say Prescott Bush, Grand daddy of GWB collaberated and did big business with Hitler and Daddy Bush was a best friend of Bin Laden. Enough said for the timebeing!

Posted by: LOONYBIN2000 | October 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

. Obama is uniquely American, biracial, affiliated with the middle class and their struggles.
What is McCain's interest? Wealth and privilege are all he represents. Money and power are all he craves. Seven houses, corrupt banking scandals, war profiteering, oil corporation domination- that's McCain.

His only way to the white house is to throw filth with both hands and try to appeal to the racist demons all people harbor.

I should know I'm a white racist in cracker Florida. But I'm not so stupid as to vote for McCain.

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Though it's wise to give a "heads' up", I don't think Obama needs worry about America's ability to spy republican swift boating at this point.

The republicans have given us all quite an education in their evil, win-at-any-cost tactics, and I don't believe my country will swallow any more of their nonsense.

Posted by: binkynh | October 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

chewysdad wrote: BE AFRAID PEOPLE. BE VERY AFRAID
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As the saying goes.."The only thing you have to fear is fear itself" and the posts of chewysdad. What a stretch of the imagination to insinuate a correlation between the Hilter Youth movement and the supporters of Senator Obama. It is the politics of fear that Americans are sooooooo tired of. This country has many issues to solve and many fences to mend as a result of the past 8 years of a Bush/Cheney administration and making assinine comments like this serves no purpose other then to highlight your bias and ignorance.

Posted by: sabrina2 | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

The smearing began quite some time ago:

Notice the McCain/Palin commercial about how they attempt to tie Senator Obama to the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac CEO's.

Interesting to see Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines picture in the commercial (By the way he is Black) which automatically ties him to Senator Obama.

You're right McSame, this IS all about the issues.

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

A vote for McCain is a vote for incestual patriotism. Only praise of America is allowed. All those who question the flawed wars of america will be deemed triators.

A vote for McCain is a Vote for more lies like the lies of WMD in Iraq. A vote for McCain is a vote for American imperialism where our ideals are shoved down the throats of other nations.

A vote for McCain is a vote against middle class, which was raped by Bush. Today the Ginni index which measures income disparity of a nation is the highest amongst the developed world.

A vote for McCain is a vote for a lack of accountabilty just like how Karl Rove and Scooter Libby were pardoned by Bush depsite the fact they were found leaking state secrets to create propaganda for Iraq war.

A vote for McCain is a vote for Health care run by Wall Street - who only want profits.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

A vote for McCain is a vote for incestual patriotism. Only praise of America is allowed. All those who question the flawed wars of america will be deemed triators.

A vote for McCain is a Vote for more lies like the lies of WMD in Iraq. A vote for McCain is a vote for American imperialism where our ideals are shoved down the throats of other nations.

A vote for McCain is a vote against middle class, which was raped by Bush. Today the Ginni index which measures income disparity of a nation is the highest amongst the developed world.

A vote for McCain is a vote for a lack of accountabilty just like how Karl Rove and Scooter Libby were pardoned by Bush depsite the fact they were found leaking state secrets to create propaganda for Iraq war.

A vote for McCain is a vote for Health care run by Wall Street - who only want profits.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

A vote for McCain is a vote for incestual patriotism. Only praise of America is allowed. All those who question the flawed wars of america will be deemed triators.

A vote for McCain is a Vote for more lies like the lies of WMD in Iraq. A vote for McCain is a vote for American imperialism where our ideals are shoved down the throats of other nations.

A vote for McCain is a vote against middle class, which was raped by Bush. Today the Ginni index which measures income disparity of a nation is the highest amongst the developed world.

A vote for McCain is a vote for a lack of accountabilty just like how Karl Rove and Scooter Libby were pardoned by Bush depsite the fact they were found leaking state secrets to create propaganda for Iraq war.

A vote for McCain is a vote for Health care run by Wall Street - who only want profits

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I would love to be a fly on the wall at the hannity house when obama is sworn in. Suicide watch

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I do wish that some of your radical liberals could talk with one of my elderly neighbors who defected from communist Czech. many yrs. ago. The woman was very education (worked in one of the best rated medical hospitals in U.S.) and the communist told her she would have to "work in the fields". The communist took her family home and family business and told them they had 24 hrs. to vacate their home. Is this where the United States is headed if Obama wins? I have a very bad feeling about that and so should you.

Posted by: love234america | October 5, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

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I have had a very feeling ever since Bush came into office and look what he has done since then. I suggest you spend more time reading Obama's statements and less time listening to talk radio.

Posted by: maggots | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Quietpatriot1776 and Democracy rules are prime examples of the insidious GOP tactic of "authoritative lying." The basic premise is to tell the lie as confidently and frequently as possible so as to turn perception into reality. When all is said and done, they're just simple liars intending to exploit the uninformed.

Incidentally Quietpatriot1776, in spite of your unequivocal and authoritative assertion that ALL Members of Congress receive security clearances, YOU'RE WRONG. As a former staffer on the Hill, I can say unequivocally that only Members and Staff on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence APPLY for and receive security clearances. Get your facts straight nimrod and give up the GOP misinformation campaign.

Posted by: goldbear85 | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Who heard? The only reason Palin's son is going to Iraq is because the judge said, "either that or jail," as a result of his dealing drugs.

Posted by: mattg251 | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I guess paying a dollar to a homeless person goes a long way. I must admit this is a brilliant strategy, but at what cost to American democracy.

Posted by: DemocracyRules


Ehrlich did the same, twice, in Maryland.
His campaign even put up the signs "We R Not slaves to the democrats" in the poorer, african american areas of Prince George's county last election.

Posted by: edlharris | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I guess paying a dollar to a homeless person goes a long way. I must admit this is a brilliant strategy, but at what cost to American democracy.

Posted by: DemocracyRules


Ehrlich did the same, twice, in Maryland.
His campaign even put up the signs "We R Not slaves to the democrats" in the poorer, african american areas of Prince George's county last election.

Posted by: edlharris | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Some of the younger readers may not know that John McCain does have some serious experience in the areas of finance.

As a senator he was involved in a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.

The result of the collapse of Lincoln Savings and Loan was that 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings. .... Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment". [wiki Keating_Five for the lurid details]

Gosh darn, "poor judgment" right out of the gate. it just keeps tripping him up. 'Suppose that's why he's called a maverick.

As a proud member of the "Joe sixpack" club. I can't but keep wondering who's pullin' the puppet strings on Sarah. 'Suppose it's good ol' Dick Chaney's boyz again:-) More of the same, more lies, more pain.

Posted by: George37 | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Warren Buffet once said "When you are looking for a people to lead, look for three qualities, integrity, intelligence and energy. If you don't have the first, the other two will kill you".

That is why I will not vote for Obama, who for 20+ years had a chutzpah to listen to anti-American, anti-white, anti-semitic bigot.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

. Obama is uniquely American, biracial, affiliated with the middle class and their struggles.
What is McCain's interest? Wealth and privilege are all he represents. Money and power are all he craves. Seven houses, corrupt banking scandals, war profiteering, oil profiteering - that's McCain.

His only way to the white house is to throw filth with both hands and try to appeal to the racist demons all people harbor.

I should know I'm a white racist in cracker Florida. But I'm not so stupid as to vote for McCain.

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Desperation yet again by John McCain. He is as unfit for the presidency as his running mate is for the vice presidency. McCain is running a cynical campaign that will dig us deeper in the immoral and uncivil rut this country is stuck in. Where Obama actually works to pull people together, McCain drives them apart with his deceptions, character assassination and negative campaigning.

Posted by: sherryhanley | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Divisive, Racially motivated,
any questions about obama
must be diffused!!
Four years of obama will
result in the same
failings as four years
of Jimmy Carter.
interest rates at 19%;
every generation needs
their wake up call.
The phone is ringing,
it's a liberal emblem doodling
straight faced liar,
dont answer the phone...
Nobama08!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Calling Sarah Palin "trailer trash," is doing a disservice to all the fine, honest, hard working Americans who live in trailer parks.

Palin is beneath contempt with her lying, scheming, ignorant, fear mongering. She is about as arrogantly stupid as anyone that I've seen on the political scene in my sixty seven years. Someone needs to wash her mouth out with some strong soap and get that lying lipstick off of her scheming face.

Senator Obama served honorably in the Illinois State Senate, and the United States Senate. He is a loyal American who has the intelligence and good judgment to lead our country.

This barbie doll Bonnie, and her over the hill demented Clyde, are out to rob the American public of any hope that they have of making the changes in government that will get the McCain style lobbyists out of the White House and back to their luxury mansions where they can rot.

Her smear campaign if allowed to go unchecked will tear our electorate apart. She has no plans, no solutions, and can only rely on knee capping the opposition.

Not this time, Bonnie and Clyde.

Viet-Nam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

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maggots:
"McCain is a really unscrupulous mudslinging politician"

The mud came from the seat of Obama's pants.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

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maggots:
"McCain is a really unscrupulous mudslinging politician"

The mud came from the seat of Obama's pants.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever been rebuked by their colleagues in the Senate for having "poor judgment" for being among the Keating Five, voting against the Martin Luther King holiday, supporting Iran Contra or selling their soul to Cheney's neocons and Palin's intolerant white evangelicals for votes.

The same Rovians who Swift-boated Kerry think joe-six-pack is so stupid, he will fall for it again with Obama.

No more years.

Posted by: coloradodog | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Since the McCain campaign brought it up, let's talk about "unrepentent terrorists":

Barack Obama has long denounced Ayers’ past activities (which, of course, occurred when Barrack was EIGHT (8) yrs. old), and has had no association with Ayers that I can find in the past five years.

By contrast, McCain’s campaign EMBRACED Oliver North’s endorsement of McCain and proudly sent it out to reporters. To its credit, the Washington Post blog asked the McCain campaign a fundamental question:

"Is McCain pleased to receive North's endorsement, given the fact that the failed GOP senatorial candidate was CONVICTED in 1989 of shredding documents, accepting an illegal gratuity and aiding and abetting in the obstruction of Congress?"

McCain’s campaign refused to answer.

As then, I now wonder, if Barack Obama is asked questions about his DISTANT links with alleged unrepentant "terrorist" Bill Ayers, why isn’t McCain being asked about his embrace of an ACTUAL "unrepentant terrorist" like Oliver North?

Unlike the Bill Ayers question, the issue of Oliver North is highly relevant to important policies. Will John McCain do anything similar to Iran-Contra in his administration? Does he believe that the Executive branch is authorized to commit crimes with impunity after Congress has prohibited them? Would he pardon the criminals as Ronald Reagan did?

In my mind, Bill Ayers falls into roughly the same category as Oliver North: Someone who committed crimes but never served time due to a technicality.

THERE IS AN IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE.

Ayers never actually killed, or even tried to kill, anyone. North, by contrast, is responsible for helping to illegally funnel arms to our enemies in Iran and using the proceeds to provide money and weapons to support the terrorist actions of the Contras in Nicaragua.

Oliver L. North was indicted March 16, 1988, on 16 felony counts. After standing trial on 12, North was convicted May 4, 1989 of three charges: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines and 1,200 hours community service.

I know, us Democrats rely too much on facts. But had we known the TRUE facts about Iraq and the claims of Weapons of Mass Destructions. The facts that THIS administration knew and kept from the American People, there would be thousand's of young men and women in the U.S. Armed Forces still alive today.

No Way, No More, No McCain

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney was Bush's attack dog. Sarah Palin has now assumed the role of Va Gina Cheney.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney was Bush's attack dog. Sarah Palin has now assumed the role of Va Gina Cheney.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 5, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

quitpatriot1776 enquiring minds don't want to know if your birth certificate is stowed safely away with the family jewels.
enquiring minds just want to see it, to see if perhaps quitpatriot1776's family name is Dzhugashvili.


enquiring minds just want to know

Posted by: edlharris | October 5, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

CLASSIC!!
"QUEENIE PALIN" the OFFICIAL MASCOT of the Republicreep John McCain Campaign. She OBEYS on COMMAND WHATEVER LIES, slime and racist bile Johnny Mac wants to spew. She, like a GOOD TRAINED Circus MONGREL, will wiggle out of her CRATE to attack on COMMAND. You can't expect a DUMB animal to engage in an intellectual forum, THEY JUST AREN'T CAPABLE!!

Posted by: tailofbuster | October 5, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

osama an biden,
william ayers,
jehamiah wright,
"For the first time in my adult life
I am proud of my country"
"these people tend to cling to
guns and religion"

just words, words,
is there anything resembling
a core belief that america
is a Great Nation??

NOBAMA08!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

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You left out the word "really", as in "I am really proud of my country". That makes a world of difference.

Or as in "McCain is a really unscrupulous mudslinging politician".

Posted by: maggots | October 5, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have the rap sheets for all the Alaska separatists Palin and her husband "palled around with?"

Posted by: DoTheMath | October 5, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I do wish that some of your radical liberals could talk with one of my elderly neighbors who defected from communist Czech. many yrs. ago. The woman was very education (worked in one of the best rated medical hospitals in U.S.) and the communist told her she would have to "work in the fields". The communist took her family home and family business and told them they had 24 hrs. to vacate their home. Is this where the United States is headed if Obama wins? I have a very bad feeling about that and so should you.

Posted by: love234america | October 5, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The bush crime family and the bin ladens are the best of friends does that make W sr. and W jr. unrepentant terrorist supporters?

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

RE:
Obama Warns Against McCain 'Smear' Tactics
By Perry Bacon Jr.
------------------
Montreal, CANADA, October 4, 2008

TO THE NEXT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEW PRESIDENT:

SIR:


"MAY I CALL YOU "O" ?"

Because of MAIN STREET!

Because of WALL STREET!

Because of the final electoral sprint - ending soon next coming november 2008 - while THE WHOLE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA has its eyes on YOU.

Everyone expects You to be democratically elected and see that something happen in America.

In March 1983, one of humanity's most famous spokesmen, Pope John Paul II, came to our country - 'Haîti' - and loudly proclaimed what each and every one of us had been whispering:

'Something must change here.'

Today, more than ever, a lot of people of The United States of America stand up, longing for something and working to make something happen.

"Go thou America ahead and show us thy true countenance in a positive light.' It is up to everyone to play his or her part in order to let thee regain thy mark of excellence !"

With this letter, I am communicating with You, SIR, and with the whole people of The United States of America.

You offer this country what it takes to be a 'Wonderfull Land.' Yes, let us say 'with a great people living and working together.'

Go thou, America, go ahead, following in the footsteps of one of thy sons who is now becoming one of thy statesmen.

With this in mind, to whom else could I entrust this letter sent to his Holiness Pope John Paul II when he set foot on Haitian soil for the first time, as well as its acknowledgment by the Vatican?

That letter to Pope John Paul II is intended to draw attention to the problem posed by anti-Black discrimination and its negative repercussions on the advancement of scientific progress in the West, and more precisely in the realm of Optics.

In the Western world, according to Newton's widely accepted theory, white is considered to be the synthesis of all colors. Actually, the opposite is true. White constitutes the analysis or 'visible' decoding of light or color, whereas black is its synthesis or 'invisible' composition.

In other words, darkness or blackness and, we might add, "Black Holes'" - a scientific misnomer designating invisible stars or 'Black Suns' - are a source of energy and light. Scientifically, Industrially and Economically speaking, what an asset !

That basic raw material of light energy culminates, in its most radiant form, in the neutralization of all the colors of the spectrum in the form of usually called "white light."

Therefore "absolute blackness", the absorption of all the colors, is a divisible component of light. Needless to say, Newton's theory gives only a partial interpretation of the notion of light, by excluding black. Our contribution aims at demonstrating that the black color is not only an integral part of the color process, but its true synthesis. Light is therefore shown to be a divisible whole comprising an intensity or color scale in which black is the invisible or 'absorbed' form of the energy in question.

Allow me, SIR, in order to support my statement concerning Black Holes and radiation, to pose a question asked by Hubert Reeves, Doctor of nuclear astrophysics and Scientific Consultant to NASA:

"What would have become of the Sun, if it were plunged into a high temperature radiance like the one that existed at the beginning of the Universe? [our translation]"

"Instead of emitting light, it would absorb it and, in the end, it would be completely reabsorbed into the cosmic fluid."

The cosmic fluid is what, due to an "optical mistake", is called "darkness" or the "blackness of Space". We are talking about the electromagnetic flux, that immeasurable ocean in which the planets and stars are bathed, like the sea which links all the continents together. Darkness is thus "The Sea of Space."

"What would have happened if, instead of an ordinary star like the "White Sun", a Black Hole or "Black Sun" were injected into that primordial radiation?"

"According to Einsteinian Physics, a Black Hole is a place where gravity is so formidably intense that nothing can escape it, not even visible light. Such a hole should suck in and absorb radiation and increase its own mass: E=MC2, always."

"But after Einstein came Bohr, Heisenberg, and Quantum Physic. From then on, nothing was the same as before."

"The Einsteinian version of the Black Hole is equivalent to a statement that the matter inside the Black Hole is definitely there to stay, in that volume of space. Let us quote Hubert Reeves: "Such an absolute statement is thus contrary to the "Quantum spirit", affirming that nothing is definitely localized in one place. There is always a probability of escape. If the enclosing wall is too high, a tunnel will be dug; if the prisoners are patient, they will escape. One has only to wait." [our translation]

"According to that principle, Black Holes "evaporate". Matter constantly escapes as radiation. Black Holes "shine!" Their surfaces behave like those of any body heated to a certain temperature and that radiation endlessly feeds that marvelous "Cosmic Fluid" which, wrongly and in bad faith, people keep calling "Darkness."

Nigra sum "sed" formosa!

Yes, but should we not say instead, I am black "and" comely?

Darkness, which is both source and vehicle of light, does not have to defend itself for being the beautiful and infinitely discreet raw material of the Universe. Darkness is the "Mother of the Universe."

Also, beautiful and discreet art thou, Haiti. Discreet, yes, but never outshone! Just like the Black Virgin who inspires and sheds her love on thee from the hilltop and even beyond Cité Soleil (Sun City).

Our purpose was to offer a more constructive approach aiming at correcting the abusive traditional, so-called scientific, theories of Optics.

It’s like to say that in the exceptional circumstances in which we live today - in the point of view of FINANCE and ENERGY - no exploration in the mid or long term, by the american expertise , of an additional source of energy, at the same time safe and economically profitable, should not be ruled out.

That is why, we wrote to that authentic witness to the signs of this age, His Holiness Pope John Paul II, the prophet of the new era.

Congratulations to You, Sir, and congratulations to the PEOPLE of The United States Of America - for having made it possible for this day of November to come - to mark the beginning of a "New Era of Hope !"

Lucien Bonnet

PLease, SEE :
LETTER TO POPE JOHN-PAUL II
in 'BILL A RI AND THERE WAS LIGHT !
http://www.contact-canadahaiti.ca

Posted by: loubonnetdH6RcDzx | October 5, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

The Impulsively Unreflective Duo In..."McCain Goes Negative!"

In our last episode, we saw the indomitable, impulsive duo suspend the campaign to take on the Crisis on Wall Street! Now, watch, as, in our next episode...McCain Goes Negative!

McCain paces the floor in the Fortress of Irritability. He is cracking walnuts.

A walnut slips to the floor.

McCain: Damn nutcracker!

Sarah Palin is sitting in a chair at a desk. She is writing on a piece of paper: "J.M + S.P." This is then crossed out and replaced by "S.P. + J.M.". These alternating versions , the one before it always crossed out, continues down the page.

McCain: Well, the first plan didn't work. We tried to put them in a trance with the folksy ray, but they had their deflectors halfway raised. If only you hadn't called the commander in Afghanistan "McClellan"

Palin: But...didn't you say they were fighting a civil war, Sir?

McCain looks at Palin silently. He is smiling but he is holding back anger.

McCain: I think the time has come. We have to call in...Dr. Negative.

He pushes a large black button, which is the only button, on a red phone on his desk.

Dr. Negative immediately bursts through the door. He is carrying flyers, masking tape; telephone wires are wrapped around his arms hanging in every way; a tattered copy of the book "Accusations of Fascism, Communism, Terrorism, Drug Use, Pedophilia, Islamism, Adultery, Pandeism, Cannibalism, Cubism, Miscegenation, and Spousal Abuse...for Dummies!" is rolled and stuffed in his left pocket, filled with bookmarks; he is dragging a Robocaller behind him, leashed to a chain.

Dr. Negative (quickly, eagerly): Did you hear? Obama was born in Bin Laden's subterranean bomb making factory, outside of U.S. lines. He was born on a pile of cocaine and dynamite--and the midwife was a Trotskyite!

McCain: Not yet, Dr. Negative. I want you to meet Sarah.

Sarah: Oh, we've already met.

Dr. Negative: That trooper went down! He poisoned the salmon milk at the Wasilla Bible school! With drugs made at a Leftist Satan worshiping collective! That you could see from Russia!

Sarah: You betcha'!

Sarah and Dr. Negative give each other a high five. Dr. Negative's telephone wires rattle on his arm as he does so, triggering the Robocaller, which starts playing "...illegitimate babies made in test tube factories in North Korea and sent to Chicago by Bill Ayers..."

Dr. Negative shuts off the Robocaller with an embarassed smile.

Dr. Negative: Just practicing.

There is a pause.

McCain: That's fine, Dr. Negative. That's fine. Because, now, I have a special job for you. An important one.

Dr. Negative leaps into the air with excited glee. As he does, detritus falls to the floor--buttons reading "Election Day: Remember, the 3rd Tuesday in November!", business cards, reading "Push Polls Anonymous--We Call, They Fall", "Mongers On Call-No Rumor Too Far fetched"; Bandaids with purple hearts; mangled and dirty chads.

Dr. Negative: A new job! A special job! Oh, Mr. McCain! I'm ready! I'm ready!

Sarah watches from her chair, filing her nails.

McCain: Now, Dr. Negative. You have to make him seem radical...

Dr. Negative quickly pulls a can out of his right pocket, emblazoned with the word "Radical" He opens the top. Red and Black snakes fly out.

Dr. Negative: (eagerly, expectantly, hungrily) Yes...Yes...

McCain: You'll have to start rumors that are so inflammatory that they will spread like wildfire, and that will be started too late to stop them with the actual truth...

Dr. Negative pulls a gigantic grinder out of his left pocket. It is labeled "Rumor Mill". He turns the crank a few times. Hamsters, syringes, and Peace symbols fly out.

Dr. Negative: Yes...Yes...

He is salivating.

McCain: They will have to be so incredible, so over-the-top, based on such tawdry and poorly sourced evidence, yet riddled with tempting minutia--bullet gauges, Google maps of supposed meetings and the like, that the right will eat them up, and start analyzing the minutia with adolescent glee.

Dr. Negative (Very calmly, matter of fact): Oh, that's easy. They'll eat anything.

Dr. Negative reaches into his back pocket, pulls out a manila envelope labeled "Minutia: So-called "Proof" for the Right". He empties it to the floor. Bullet gauge measures, outdated copies of Photoshop, paperbacks entitled "How to Use the Insane as Competent Witnesses", "The Faked Moon Landings! Roswell! And Other Believable Phenomena!" and "You TOO Can Be A Warrior--From Your Own Couch!" fall to the floor.

Sarah plucks out the "Faked Moon Landings" book. She starts reading.

McCain: We know how our girl loves to read.

Sarah stops, and begins fixing her hair in a hand mirror.

Now, Dr. Negative, there is one final task.

Dr. Negative: Yes, Mr. McCain?

McCain: It is very difficult. Very...dark.

Dr. Negative: (Leaning forward expectantly, his voice quivering with excitement): Yes, Mr. McCain, Yes?

McCain: You will have to play the card that they played against me. Do you understand?

The room becomes silent. Sarah stops looking at herself, and looks towards the center of the room where McCain and Dr. Negative are staring at each other.

Dr. Negative: You mean...(eyes widened with disbelief. His telephone wires are quietly shaking as he shivers).

McCain (nodding): Yes.

Dr. Negative slowly removes from his jacket pocket what seems to be an ordinary pack of playing cards. They are labeled "Joker" brand. He takes a penknife from his pocket, and slowly slices the covering cellophane. There is a slight and distant roar. He looks at McCain.

McCain nods.

Dr. Negative then slowly removes the red ribbon encircling the cellophane at the top of the pack. He inserts the penknife--holding it from it very farthest end--and flips open the top of the pack.

Smoke begins to pour from the top of the pack, thick, acrid smoke. It quickly fills the room, covering all that is in sight.

McCain (shouting amidst the sound of smoke rushing into the room): And remember--no fingerprints!

Next episode: The smoke is cleared.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 5, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Why are there no questions regarding John McCains time in a Hanoi Prisoner of War camp? The Manchurian Candidate comes to mind. Barbara Bush fits in there as well :)! With Palin offering up large stretches of illogical reasoning it is fair game that McCain's "War Hero" status be placed under the microscope, just like they tried, and succeeded, with John Kerry. John McCain has used his "War Hero" status to good use for nearly half a century and I have never heard him questioned about the veracity of it. In politics it's all "Lies, Damned Lies". And, it appears, it's all Fear in Love and War!

Posted by: kiwicafe | October 5, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I love the comments saying that Obama is "anti-Whitey".

Now, you all do realize his mother is white, eh? He grew up with his white grandparents too. I don't think anyone can be really against the race of people who raised them.

Just throwing that out there.

Posted by: NS1234 | October 5, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Interesting news from Ohio today. Obama's supporters are registering people to vote early today from the streets. I guess paying a dollar to a homeless person goes a long way. I must admit this is a brilliant strategy, but at what cost to American democracy.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

to edharris,
my birth certificate is in the safe deposit box along with the other important family papers.

really, the obama campaign could end all questions on this subject so easily, just produce the long form certificate. it's their resistance which is so suspicious. without their resistance, it would be a non-issue.

Posted by: quietpatriot1776 | October 5, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

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Tell you what - you produce the White House email records on the Justice Dept and the Vice Presidential records on energy and Obama will release the full certificate. It's so easy!

Posted by: maggots | October 5, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain claims legislation designed to teach young children how to recognize sexual predators was really comprehensive sex education including stds and birth control. The bill expressly says that all material was to be age appropriate. Planned parenthood has determined McCain's claims to be false. Still, he persists in his attacks during the Des Moines Register interview.
McCain disingenuous and reprehensible behavior brings to mind what Bush's campaign did to him with claims that McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter was really his natural offspring.
McCain and his campaign are corrupt. There is no honor in what he does.

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

osama an biden,
william ayers,
jehamiah wright,
"For the first time in my adult life
I am proud of my country"
"these people tend to cling to
guns and religion"

just words, words,
is there anything resembling
a core belief that america
is a Great Nation??

NOBAMA08!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to inform the American people of who funded his Harvard education (radical Texas Muslim group w/help from Saudis) and why he chose as his mentor the late communist Frank Marshall Davis whom he called Frank in Dreams From My Father. Obama has too many secrets; he cannot be trusted with our country. That "phone" call in the middle of the night should absolutely not be answered by Obama. The Socialist States of America........that is what Obama wants.

Posted by: love234america | October 5, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

A vote for Obama is a vote for Socialist States of America. I guess our press is already completely controlled with pro-Obama bias, so once he becomes the president it will become official. After all it was Lenin who said "A lie told often enough becomes the truth"

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Next up in McCain ads will be race innuendos.
More reverend Wright garbage.
You tube videos for especially disgusting racial hatred.
Attacks on Obama's wife.

McCain has shown that there is nothing that he will not do, nothing he will not say to get elected.

Campaign First, Country Last.

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

For the Repulbicans it is too easy to identify who the real culprit is - ACORN and other socially undrepreviledged people of the society. How hypocritic they are when they well know some of the richest people who rule Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, et.al. got this country to its knees due to their pathetic decisions.

The facts of the last 8 years of Bush are: Income disparity in US has increase to such a level that now it is the highest amongst the developed world. The income disparity is measured using the Ginni index, today our Ginni index stands at 46. Higher than any other industrial nation. The rich have become richer and middle class has been raped by the Republicans.

And what did the rich do with their tax cuts of Bush? They got the Wall street down with their greed. Yet today the rest of America is bailing out the noobs at wall street.

The Republican thugs continue to blame the middle class, ACORN for the follies of our land. They throw dust into our eyes like how they sold the war in Iraq telling us there were WMDS.

Throw the Republicans out of power. ITS TIME FOR CHANGE.

What the Fox news talking heads wont tell you these days is who the real culprits are in the housing crisis. - The rich speculators who bought houses taking loans so that they can make a profit by selling them at a higher price later. This created a housing bubble.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

One of these days, these kind of people will turn bad again to, you got it, to get ahead!

Vote for McCain. Vote for Palin. these are unstanding Americans!

Posted by: gwshening | October 5, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

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The trouble is, Obama did nothing wrong. Everything you say about Ayers is a fabrication, everything you say about Wright is your own opinion without any facts to back them up, and your idea of why Obama voted against the war is downright racist.

The truth is that being a smear artist is very, very bad. I think your mommy should send you to bed without any supper tonight.

Posted by: maggots | October 5, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I really don't want Nancy Pelosi's
flunky running my country.
Leadership????
Experience????
Listen to Hillary Clinton's
Comments about barrack obammma'
She knows what you know.
This double talker should be
writing books, about his narcotic
habits and his goat farmer father.
Not bowing to pelosi'
and reid...
Nobama08!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin addressed the Alaska Independence Party in 2008 saying "good luck on a successful and inspiring convention, keep up the good work" Her husband was a member for years. She also says she "shares their vision for Alaska"

This is from their official website:

Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

They'd rather try to tear Obama's campaign down than lift this country up. That's what you do when you're out of touch, out of ideas, and running out of time.

Posted by: ghuntcustom | October 5, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Palin's husband was a member of a society which advocated Alaska's secession from the United States of America. Does that mean she was aiding and abetting this group?
Does that make her an associate of someone who advocated treason?

Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

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r4147824:
"I don't care if osama and obama were first cousins we have to get out of the mess called mcbush."

Fairly typical rationale of Obama supporters.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

caebling, it's not citizenship, it's natural born citizenship. and i agree, the obama campaign could shut this down so easily by producing the long form certificate then moving the dialog back to one of numerous issues, but they won't.

Posted by: quietpatriot1776 | October 5, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if osama and obama were first cousins we have to get out of the mess called mcbush.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

!6:42pm/10/05/2008/Thanks for the info.as of this time including the comments. WOW!!!

EJLima

Posted by: variezn34gm | October 5, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

to edharris,
my birth certificate is in the safe deposit box along with the other important family papers.

really, the obama campaign could end all questions on this subject so easily, just produce the long form certificate. it's their resistance which is so suspicious. without their resistance, it would be a non-issue.

Posted by: quietpatriot1776 | October 5, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

does obama have anything besides
the race card?
palin says the word 'ayers'
and suddenly the Axelrod campaign
screams RACE!!!!
David Axelrod is not even black?
how can he call bill clinton,
and hillary clinton
and john mccain and sarah
palin bigots?
NOBAMA!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Quietpatriot1776 sez: "on security clearances, as you know there are different levels, Congress gets a pass at a basic level without the usual interrogations that the rest of us have to endure."

Yes, there are many levels but I know of no level of security clearance that doesn't require at least an SSBI. An SSBI would uncover the fact that anyone is not a US citizen. But I guess that really doesn't matter. We both will hold to our opinions. :-)

One day we may all debate the republican approach to health care vs. the democrat's but for now we just discuss this nonesense.

Posted by: caebling | October 5, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

(Sorry, I resubmitted this after correcting many of the typos)

There is no smear camapign. It is very important, though, that the American people know in advance what kind of a president they are voting for.

Have you ever met those people who did everything dirty to get ahead, and then, when they got ahead, they suddenly became saints?

That's who Obama is. He was a militant black activist who hated the American society for it's unfairness to the blacks. He took advantage of his connection to Rev. Wright to advance his career, using Rev. preaching to attract anti-establishment black voters. He was sympathetic to William Ayer's movement, to say the least, by continuing direct govenment fund to Ayer's movement for many years(believe me, those funds were channeled to Ayer long after Obama was 8 years old). He got "sweet heart deals" from Toni Rasko (How would they purchase the adjacent properties on the same day, if not for some under the table deals?)

Even his so called "good judgement" speech against the Iraq war was nothing more than calculated political move to gain votes from his predominantly black south Chicago district (More than 90% of the blacks were against the war, if you want to know.)

Now he has riped all the benefits of his "bad behaviors" from the past, he wants to be looked upon as a saint know. He denied everything, his close tie to Rev. Wright and his black theology, his close collaboration with Ayer. On the unquestionable sweet deal with Toni Rasko, Obama could not deny it but saying it was a "bone-headed" decision to accept the deal.

I don't know about you. But I just couldn't stand those people doing bad to get ahead and turning to "white knight" afterward.

One of these days, these kind of people will turn bad again to, you got it, to get ahead!

Vote for McCain. Vote for Palin. these are unstanding Americans!

Posted by: gwshening | October 5, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin addressed this group in 2008 saying "good luck on a successful and inspiring convention, keep up the good work" Her husband was a member for years. She also says she "shares their vision for Alaska"


QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE
Q: What is the Alaskan Independence Party?

A: An Alaskan political party whose members advocate a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority; from advocacy for state's rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska.

Q: Aren't most Alaskan Independence Party members a bunch of radicals and Kooks?

A: The party has its share of individualists, in the grand Alaskan tradition. No longer a fringe party, the A.I.P. is a viable third party with a serious mission and qualified candidates for elected offices.

Q: If Alaska became independent, wouldn't we lose a lot of federal money?

A: No. If Alaska returned to territorial status, most federal money would still be available. If Alaska were to attain complete independence, its revenues from oil and other natural resources would far exceed the amounts currently received from the federal government, at our current level of resource utilization.

Q: If Alaska were independent, what would happen to my social security check, federal pension, or military retirement?

A: People receive these checks around the world, regardless of their place of residence. In most cases eligibility for such checks would not be affected by Alaskan independence.

Q: If Alaska became independent, would U.S. military bases leave?

A: The strategic location of Alaska would indicate that it would serve U.S. interests to maintain a presence in Alaska. The military are good neighbors. There would be no compelling reason for the military to leave Alaska.

Q: Didn't we vote for statehood already?

A: The vote for statehood was invalid because the people were not presented with the range of options available to them. Further, the federal government has since breached the contract for statehood on numerous occasions in over a dozen serious and substantial instances.

Q: Under independence, what would happen to all the federal controls and regulations?

A: We believe that controls should be exerted by the lowest possible governmental unit. The people of Alaska can better decide what controls need to be in place than can bureaucrats in Washington. Specific local regulation might be either more or less restrictive than current federal regulation. The point is that it will be our regulation, not Washington's.

Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?

A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.

Q: What will happen to major U.S. stores such as Sears, Safeway, and McDonald's?

A: Any company which found it profitable to sell in Alaska would remain. Without the constraints of the deteriorating U.S. economy, and with the enormous wealth of Alaska, international as well as local companies will prosper.


Posted by: seemstome | October 5, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Smear !!!
He's 3rd generation Communist.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

I've come to a much different conclusion about Obama's experience - though I still agree with the narrative that it is not the type of experience that would qualify one for the Presidency of the U.S.

From this article, I've learned that Obama, armed with his newly inked Harvard Law Degree (apparently funded by an Islamist politician, unfriendly to the U.S.), went to work doing the following:

As an attorney for ACORN (the same organization that would have received over $USD 20 Billion per the draft of the original House Bailout Package), Obama was competent and quite successful in accomplishing the following:

1. Guided "Project Vote" in Chicago in registering 4 Million voters. ACORN has been sued for fraud in numerous states. How many of these 4 million voters are duplicates or dead? and, is this enough to throw an election in a given state?
2. Sued Illinois Govt to force Motor Voter provisions. The impact is that Motor Voter did not/does not require proof of citizenship. As the article above points out, 8 of the 19 9-11 hijackers were in the U.S. illegally but were nonetheless, registered to vote.
3. Sued Citibank in 1994 for "Redlining" i.e., denying mortgage applicants for non-qualification, forcing them ... not to collect ethnicity information, but rather, compelled ethnicity information collection so as to create pretense for racial profiling when parties were denied and otherwise unqualified on the basis of their finances. Kind of a Reverse racial profiling practice.

So, far from being a passive 'academic' who innocently worked as an organizer, Obama's real world expertise is quite extensive. That experience speaks quite well of the activist progressive politics that would guide his presidency.

Is traditional U.S. ready for the kind of change that Barrack Obama believes in?

For those reading this email early Sun afternoon, don't miss "Hannity's America" at 9 p.m. EST. A full hour dedicated to Obama's unsavory connections. Anybody can be excused for having perhaps one shady person in their life. Such is an aberration. Multiple such affiliations constitutes a trend.

Critics as such 'guilt by association' allegations say that Obama shouldn't be blaimed for the actions of people close to him. How would the narrative for John McCain be if he were affiliated with individuals who: (1) bombed Abortion clinics, however long ago, and (2) advocated a return to Aryan Purity? (Rev. Wright's Trinity Christian Church has (had? haven't checked the website recently) as their mission statement, the "primary allegiance of its membership to the continent of Africa (not the U.S. or even "Christ" for crying out loud.)



Posted by: rtfanning | October 5, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Mclovers are all brain washed by foxnews and hanity shows.
no mcsame no palin, Wake up America and do not get fooled by dirty politics and guilt by association.
Bush did ame 2000, but it does not work this time, because American people had 8 years of failed
bush policy ,as old dogs never learn new things, It is clear that Mcsame after 27 years in washington
and voting 95% with bush,can not bring change. enough is enough.

Posted by: ksarabi | October 5, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Where's quitpartriot1776's birth certificate?
Enquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: edlharris | October 5, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

America is no shining city on the hill. Republicans are deluding themselves in this incestual praise of our selves.

The fact is we went out and bombed Iraqis, like we bombed Vietnamese in 60s all for the sake of furthering our strategic objectives. Both those countries never attacked us.

Before 2003, Iraq was under UN sanctions where UN inspectors told us there were no WMDS. The Republican thugs threw dust into the eyes of American public, Congress and Senate to further the neo con agenda of invading a soveringn land. Republicans want us to be an imperial power to spread our view on the rest of the world.

Yet Republicans continue to delude us in self praise and wont tolerate any dissenting view. Throw out the anti American Republican thugs out of US.

William Ayers was wrong in resorting to violence. But his goal was noble when we wanted us out of Vietnam.

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin have to focus on irrelevant issues, because they want to avoid the real issues in this race. 1) How can ordinary working-class citizens obtain economic security; 2) How can the United States regain respect around the world - and quit trying to unilaterally manage the affairs of the world; 3) How can the US move to alternative energy sources instead of relying so much on oil.

I'm just one Republican who thinks more of the same isn't going to move us in the right direction. Regardless of what some of my Republican friends say - down deep they know that McCain/Palin is going to be pretty much of the same - and it isn't going to be very good for us in the long run. Unless, of course, I'm missing something here.

Posted by: Fred30 | October 5, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

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mizeeyore59:
"VP 1.0 was already installed."

Yeah, but the Obama's associates put a virus in P 1.0.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

On the ABC evening news (may have been NBC, I know it wasn't CBS) the day of Obama's speach in Germany a man remarked that Obama was his, "new messiah". There must be lot of people in this country that feel the same.Copy this link into Google (or a browser) and watch it.

youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI

The young men in the video are chanting alpha - omega as they enter the room. Jesus said he was the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. The masses in this country have been so dumbed down by public education and ignorant of history they are ripe for a "new messiah" I knew a man who was part of Hitler's youth as a young man. If he were still alive to watch this he would say, "Been there, done that."

The stories he told of the things the Hitler youth were allowed to do are frightening.

Watch the video people. Watch the video!

BE AFRAID PEOPLE. BE VERY AFRAID!

Posted by: chewysdad | October 5, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"It's about the economy, stupid!" McCain can smear Obama all he wants, but I will not listen. I will vote my pocketbook.

For example:

Under McCain’s health care plan, if you get your health insurance through your employer, there will be an increase in your taxable income by the amount that your employer pays for your plan. If you think the tax credit McCain is offering will offset the tax, think again. The credit is only for those who have to buy an individual plan on the open market at an average cost of $12,000 a year. It is NOT for people who have employer-based insurance.

How would the McCain tax increase work? The average total premium for a family health care plan is $12,106 per year, with $8824 paid by the employer.

• A married couple with an annual taxable income of $63,701 to $128,500 would have a tax increase of $2406 (25% of $8824);
• and a couple earning from $15,651 to $63,700 would have a tax increase of $1323.60 (15% of $8824).

The more your employer pays for your insurance, the higher your tax bill!

McCain's ideas are NOT good for the middle class!

Want to read some well thought out posts on the candidates?
Go here: http://melindasruminations.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Mae238 | October 5, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

caebling,
i'm not making this up. i do know of the filing of Berg v. Obama et. al. on Sept. 29, 2008 to compel producing the long form birth certificate.

i want to know the truth, and neither Obama nor his campaign will produce the long from certificate. it shouldn't be that hard to produce it, so why so much resistance, and shouting down by internet brownshirts on the subject.

it's just a birth certificate, why can't we the citizenry see it?

on security clearances, as you know there are different levels, Congress gets a pass at a basic level without the usual interrogations that the rest of us have to endure.

my neighbors were asked all about me. i chuckle at the thought of the FBI investigating Obama's neighbor Ayers and asking the very standard question: "Has said individual ever advocated the overthrow of the US government?" What would Ayers have said? "No, but I have!"

Posted by: quietpatriot1776 | October 5, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

When Mcsame faced the biggest challenge of his life, he failed himself and his country,
he gave his captors more than his name, rank and serial number.
he cracked and confessed to war crimes, slandering us fighting forces and our nation in
a propaganda film made to order for the north vietnamese communists.
mcsame a true american coward putting himself first before his own country.
Wake up america please, America's enemies may want a traitor,coward and cheater who has admitted adultery as our next president.

Posted by: ksarabi | October 5, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party have given us more to worry & fear than any terrorists.

Posted by: MichelleH | October 5, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

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judgewisely ask:
"Doesnt what Reverand Wright say hold some truth?"

Wright gave Farrahkan his 'Achievement Of The Year Award'. Any truth there?


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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I looked at the fact check from those, no thanks.

Posted by: mizeeyore59 | October 5, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Tony Rezko, no big deal;
Jerimiah Wright, so what;
William Ayers, what's your point?
White Oppessor, Michele obama's descriptor
for America,
ACORN, just a few voter fraud issues,
but their legal counsel, barack obama
advised them,
character is not a requirement
to be President of the United States,
Votes Are,
it is really your own character that
is being tested, America;
do you have the character to vote
for a Great American?
John McCain08!

Posted by: simonsays1 | October 5, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

To all the hysterical rethugs ranting away at this so called connection - here's a "shout out" to you all. John McCain - Keating 5 - he has admitted to being involved. Gosh darn it! Sarah Palin - secession from the union. Smelling of a traitor!? You betcha!

Posted by: anothervoice2 | October 5, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

There nis no smear camapign. It is very important, though, that the American people know in advance what kind of a president they are voting for.

Have you ever met those people who did everything dirty to get ahead, and then, when they got ahead, they suddenly became saints?

That's is who Obama is. He was a militant black activist who hates the American society for it's unfairness to the blacks. He used his connection to Rev. Wright to advance his career, using Rev. preaching to attract black voters. He was simpathetic to William Ayer movement, to say the least, by continuing direct govenment fund to Ayer's movement (believe me, it happened after Obama was 8 years old). He got "sweet heart deals" from Toni Rasko (How would they purchase the adjacent properties on the same day, if not for some under the table deals?)

Even his so called "good judgement" speech against the Iraq war was nothing more than calculated political move to gain votes from his predominantly black south Chicago district (More than 90% of the blacks were against the war, if you want to know.)

Now he has riped all the benefits of his "bad behaviors" from the past, he wants to be looked upon as a saint know. He denied everything, his close tie to Rev. Wright and his black theology, his close collaboration with Ayer. On the unquestionable sweet deal with Toni Rasko, Obama could not deny it but saying it was a "bone-headed" decision to accept the deal.

I don't know about you. But I just couldn't stand those people doing bad to get ahead and turning to "white knight" afterward.

One of these days, these kind of people will turn bad again to, you got it, to get ahead!

Vote for McCain. Vote for Palin. these are unstanding Americans!

Posted by: gwshening | October 5, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voBBx9EaEGA

Then read The Obama Nation and The Case Against Barak Obama and learn that Obama is unfit to serve, just as Hillary and Joe said.

Posted by: mharwick | October 5, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

This woman will be voting for Obama. He chose the best candidate for VP, without regard to gender. He didn't assume that women would blindly vote for another woman, qualified or not. He attributed more intelligence to voters (male or female) than that. McCain on the other hand, has chosen his running mate based more on gender, than her actual qualifications. In my opinion, when closely observed, he doesn't treat her like a mysogynist, but it's close. He apparently feels himself clearly superior based on his gender, and Caribou Barbie steps right into the role with ease. She takes direction well, memorizing her talking points with all the grace of a former beauty contest contestant. It's a shame she doesn't deliver her lines well. I'm thinking that my vote goes to the VP that could actually become president without two weeks of coaching in talking points. VP 1.0 was already installed.

Posted by: mizeeyore59 | October 5, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

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Yea!!!!

Go Palin. Nail his butt to the wall.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Now that William Ayers is mentioned, lets get back to the 60s where he belonged. Hundreds and thousands of people protested against a war waged by us on a land that is far far away where we really had no reason to be . More than 50,000 American soldiers died. The anti war sentiment was so huge it made quite a few radicals out of us - William Ayers was one amongst them.

Today again we are in a war, where we are led into it through LIEs of WMDs which were never found. McCain was one amongst them who helped throw dust into the eyes of congress, senate and the gullible people of US.

William Ayers thing will blow in the face of republicans as it will bring back the memories of anti war movement - which is so desperately needed now.

Our war is to catch bin laden not to impose our ideals in foreign lands.

Reverand wright - He told us that 9/11 was America’s chicken coming home to roost.
Fact: CIA created the religious Mujahideen Frankenstein to drive the Soviets out of Afganistan. After the Soviets left the Mujahedeen morphed into Taliban. Bin Laden was also amongst those CIA and the Saudi princes supported in the war against the Soviets. After Soviets left Bin Laden and the Taliban turned their attention to their creator USA.

Doesnt what Reverand Wright say hold some truth?

Are we really the Shining city on the Hill that Reagan wanted us to believe. Do we have such a blinkered vision of our past that we cannot recognize our follies?

Posted by: judgewisely | October 5, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

kissinger and bush killed alot more people than ayers did

Posted by: edlharris | October 5, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Quitepatriot1776. As one who holds these clearances I know that they are not "automatically granted" to anyone ever. They are only give to US citizens. Now, they can be either natural born or naturalized citizens. But, as you know, only a natural born citizen can run for prez. Again, if the FBI and NSA is satisfied with his citizenship then so am I.

Sorry about the comment. I'm just so tired of this lame argument against Obama. If anyone wants to be against him because of his platform then fine. But don't make up this stuff.

Posted by: caebling | October 5, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

typical O-bots, a simple request for something basic as a birth certificate is met with invective and personal attacks, all part of the Obama MO of silencing critics.

C'mon O-bots, produce the long form birth certificate. It can't be that hard.

Posted by: quietpatriot1776 | October 5, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's recall Palin's association with the Alaskan political party that wants to secede from the Union.

Let's recall McCain's reprimand from the Senate for his role in the Keating Five Savings and Loan scandal.The late 1980s-early 1990s savings and loan crisis cost US taxpayers more than 100 billion. Keating was convicted of fraud and more, and the Senate Ethics Committee "rebuked" McCain.

Let's ask American pows they have nothing but having shame and be offended by him while knowing that MCCoward was cracked and gave up his country to communists playing in movie against his own country.

Let's ask mccheater who has admitted adultery, while married to his first wife. since voting for him as same as endorsing adultery.

Let's recall that people that live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Posted by: ksarabi | October 5, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Apparently when you are losing and are inept you use smear tactics, you lie.... Anything to win -- typical GOP

For shame!!! But, hey what do you expect from the party that gave you weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.... from the party that gave us Karl Rove, Antonio Gonzales, etc.

The GOP and that includes McCain & Palin wouldn't know the truth, couldn't tell the truth if it bit them on the derriere!!

GOP = got only prevarication....

Posted by: abby0802 | October 5, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a demagogue, who thinks he can negotiate with people like Ahmedijan. After all the anti-semitic hate he heard from Rev. Write, no wander he can't care less what Iran will do with their nuclear weapons. Except, mr. Obama, Russia, Iran, Venezuela might prove to be another Bermuda triangle, and this time America will disappear in it.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama worked closely with terrorist Bill Ayers
Records show collaboration on funding leftists despite claim he's just 'a guy' in neighborhood
Posted: September 23, 2008
2:36 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

JERUSALEM – In spite of Sen. Barack Obama's claims to the contrary, the Democratic presidential nominee had a close working relationship with former Weathermen terrorist leader William Ayers when the two served alongside each other on a hundred-million-dollar education foundation, according to the group's own archived records.

The records also show Obama's and Ayers' foundation granted money to radical leftist activist causes.

News reports, archived records, interviews and Ayers' own curriculum vitae document that Ayers was the founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, or CAC, which bills itself as a school reform organization. Ayers also served as co-chairman of the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, one of the two operational arms of the CAC, from its formation in 1995 until 2000.

In 1995, Obama was appointed as the CAC's first chairman.

In response to a query by National Review Online writer Stanley Kurtz, the Obama campaign issued a statement claiming Ayers was not involved with Obama's "recruitment" to the CAC board. The statement said Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham, who served as presidents of other foundations, recruited Obama.

Last April, Obama dismissed Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis."

But Kurtz reviewed the CAC archives at the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago, which houses CAC board meeting minutes and other documentation from the education foundation. He found that along with Leff and Graham, Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board of the CAC, which hired Obama.

(Story continues below)


"Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval," Kurtz writes in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece today.

Indeed, several articles in 1994 and 1995 in the Chicago Tribune detail Ayers' extensive work to secure the original grant for the CAC from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg, as well as Ayers' molding of the CAC guidelines. It would have been unusual for Ayers not to have been involved in the selection of Obama.

Kurtz reports the CAC archives demonstrate Obama and Ayers worked as a team to further the foundation's agenda. Obama was in charge of fiscal matters, while Ayers' position was more concerned with shaping educational policy.

The documents show Ayers served as an ex-officio member of the board that Obama chaired through the CAC's first year. Ayers also served on the board's governance committee with Obama, and worked with him to craft CAC bylaws, according to the documents.

Ayers made presentations to board meetings chaired by Obama. Ayers also spoke for the Chicago School Reform Collaborative before Obama's board, while Obama periodically spoke for the board at meetings of the collaborative, the CAC documents reviewed by Kurtz show.

According to the documents, the CAC granted money to far-leftist causes, such as the radical Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, which, WND reported, has done work on behalf of Obama's presidential campaign.

ACORN is the nation's largest community organization of low- and moderate-income families. It has held violent, disruptive protests, seeks to regulate banks, supports left-leaning education policies, is accused of working on urging partisan voter turnout for elections, and seems to promote driving businesses from cities.

WND broke the story last week that while Obama chaired the board of the CAC, more than $600,000 was granted to an organization founded by Ayers and run by Mike Klonsky, a former top communist activist. Klonsky was leader of the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party, which was effectively recognized by China as the all-but-official U.S. Maoist party.

Confirms Kurtz: "Instead of funding schools directly, [the CAC] required schools to affiliate with 'external partners,' which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as ACRON."

In 1995, the year Ayers founded the CAC, he gave an interview for author Ron Chepesiuk's book "Sixties Radicals" in which Ayers stated, "I'm a radical, leftist, small 'c' communist."

Kurtz notes that in his book, "Teaching Toward Freedom," Ayers states his goal is to "teach against oppression," which Kurtz says Ayers defines as "against America's history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation."

The timing of Obama's appointment in 1995 to lead Ayers' CAC project prompts unanswered questions about when Obama first met Ayers. It is unlikely Ayers appointed an unknown to chair his group.

Also in 1995, the first organizing meeting for Obama's state senatorial campaign reportedly was held in Ayers' apartment.

Obama's campaign did not immediately return a WND request for comment about the timing of the presidential candidate's relationship with Ayers.

The CAC is not Obama's only working relationship with the unrepentant terrorist.

In a widely circulated article, WND first reported Obama served on the board of the Wood's Fund, a liberal Chicago nonprofit, alongside Ayers from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.

The "Friends of Barack Obama" campaign fund lists a $200 campaign contribution from Ayers April 2, 2001.

The two appeared together as speakers at several public events, including a 1997 University of Chicago panel entitled, "Should a child ever be called a 'super predator?'" and another panel for the University of Illinois in April 2002 entitled, "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?"

Ayers is currently a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and was a member of the Weathermen group, which sought to overthrow the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971.

Ayers has admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s.

He told the New York Times in an interview released Sept. 11, 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." He posed for a photograph accompanying the piece that shows him stepping on an American flag.

Earlier this month, Ayers wrote on his blog he still feels not enough was done to oppose the Vietnam War, although he clarified, "I don't think violent resistance is necessarily the answer, but I do think opposition and refusal is imperative."

Ayers' wife, Dohrn, also has served on panels with Obama. Dohrn was once on the FBI's Top 10 Most Wanted List and was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the "most dangerous woman in America." Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 murder and robbery that left four people dead.

The charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance.

Posted by: mharwick | October 5, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

DO WE WANT A POTENTIAL PRESIDENT WHO CANNOT THINK CLEARLY?

Mrs Palin, how can you conclude that a person who happens to be appointed a member of a charity board is befriended with another appointed member? Are you completely unaware of democratic procedures?

And how can you accuse someone, who without Obamas knowledge, because of his involvement in the democratic party, hosted a meeting in support of its nominated senator, to be "palling" about with Obama?

It is worse than ridiculous, it is frightening that a VP candidate cooks up such an incoherent soup and believes in it. It is even worse and as revealing as the gibberish foreign policy experience talk at your famous Katie Couric interview. How can you claim to be fit as a president?

In these very critical times we must use scientific methods for ensuring that the president can think clearly and intelligently. There are good scientific means for testing this. The only way you can convince me that I am wrong about your inability to think clearly is to submit yourself to a test, Mrs. Palin.

Anyone can asses the candidates by identifying signs of unsuitability , see:
"The president should be selected on scientific grounds. Brain and psychological research provides objective and reliable criteria"
http://www.psrast.org/selectingpresidents.htm

Posted by: drgrandville | October 5, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

caebling
-nice personal attacks.

btw, upon election to Congress you automatically get a security clearance, ask laurie richardson, or maxine waters.

anyway, put up or shutup, show us the birth certificate. it's not too much to ask.

Posted by: quietpatriot1776 | October 5, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

keep up the good work mccain/palin! your sleazy smear tactics will only help to get obama/biden elected. You republicans have played that 'destroy your opponent' card too many times before, and most intelligent people know by now not to trust any of you. We're all sick of the crap. We have too many REAL issues facing all of us to keep hearing the same old mess every election. Either come up with something new or get out of politics. We want to hear HOW and WHAT you're going to do to represent us, not just lies and empty promises. And as for all this about knowing this one or that one......WE DON'T CARE!!!....If after the last 8 years, you still don't get it, you need to pull out of the other 49 states like you did Michigan (or is 48 now....did Palin get Alaska to succeed?)

Posted by: abyrd1 | October 5, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

DemocracyRules.... That's what makes this country great. At the end of the day we can walk into our respective polling booths and vote for the candidate who we feel best represents them. :-)

I just hope all of the hatred evident on this site will stop and we can get behind whoever wins the election. If we continue to let politicians and the media divide us like this we will fail as a nation.

Posted by: caebling | October 5, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Smears and lies are in the blood of Republicans--long before Rove there was Nixon and Joe McCarthy.

It is time to send them into the wilderness.

Posted by: rusty3 | October 5, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama may or may not be the best choice for president. BUt one thing is undeniable: he kicked off his political career by announcing his candidacy for state senate at a party hosted for him by william ayers, a former terrorist.

obama only loses credibility by calling a recitation of facts a 'smear'.

he should just defend himself and explain why the association wasnt that big of a deal. dimissing it as smear, though, thats misleading and evidence that he is not being straight with voters.

Posted by: dummypants | October 5, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Dear Caeblings, Hilary did say she wanted the VP spot. As somebody that voted for democrats most of my adult life, I am shocked how this party moved all the way to the left. I might not like Palin's anti-abortion stance, but this election is about bigger issues. Call me crazy, but I will not vote for a man who for 20+ years did not object to hate speeches from his spiritual adviser (I will not even mention others). Obama's redistribution of wealth is what is going to sink our economy. If he thinks raising capital gain taxes and all other taxes in this shaky economy is good, than he is clueless about how our economy works. I also want to know why his wife's salary doubled after he became a Senator and gave 1million dollars to the hospital she worked at. He is a part of a corrupt Chicago political machine. But he is winning and America is loosing.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

WTG Palin, kep attacking this racists associatees.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy55sc1 | October 5, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Quietpatriot1776.

How is it possible for you to be such a blithering idiot. Obama, like McCain, has been investigated by the FBI, DoD, and a few other 3-letter agencies in order to have access to classified US intelligence. He, like McCain, was investigated by these same people when they decided to run for president. He, like McCain is a US citizen. Get over it moron.

Posted by: caebling | October 5, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The post by blarsen1 should be taken off this site. It is far too trashy and unsubstantiated to be posted on a Washington Post site.

Posted by: mbm011 | October 5, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

LAST MONTH, 159,000 AMERICANS JOBS WERE LOST. IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT THE TOP PRIORITY FOR A MAJORITY OF VOTERS IS THE ECONOMY.

BUT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN DOESN'T SHARE THOSE CONCERNS, ADMITTING YESTERDAY THAT "THERE'S NO QUESTION WE WANT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT HERE," AND THAT THEY'RE "LOOKING FORWARD TO TURNING THE PAGE ON THE FINANCIAL CRISIS."

MCCAIN HAS LAID HIS CARDS ON THE TABLE. AND TO EVERYONE TIRED OF THE POLITICS OF PAST, THIS LATEST ANNOUNCEMENT IS AS DISHEARTENING AS IT IS DISTURBING.

Posted by: JJames081 | October 5, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I saw and heard her comments at the Home Depot Center in Carson, California. They were overtly racist and I was stunned that McCain's handlers allowed such an idiot to deliver such a message. The crowd, basically her devout choir, didn't hail from anywhere near Carson. The stadium is usually packed with latino soccer fans who follow the Galaxy. They were a lot of white males from Orange County, stay-at-home, subservient mom types, and some really angry ultra-right wing kooks who just want vote for a African-American , period. The media neds to exam very closely what McCain's people are doing and if it is racillay based, and it sure sounded like it to me, they need to call him on it. It was Selma, Alabama at the Palin rally, and it was shameful.

Posted by: pookiecat | October 5, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday Obama was saying how mean the republicans where being to him and smearing him. To call some one erratic who was just doing his job while all you have done is to vote present. He reminds me of the bullies and his groupies on the in 5th grade. Get in their faces if they disagree with you, call them names, bully them and if they come back at you and stand up for your self go and run and say they where mean to me. There is no substance there he changes his mind on a whim to what you want to hear. This is a guy who wants to tax businesses in to closing which will put in my business alone 50-60 people out of work, open up loop holes so people can have go bankrupted which hurts business, have business pay for his great health Care that has proven not to work on smaller scales can you imagine on federal can you say nightmare. – Don’t be fooled don’t think he is for you check him out. The Guy has an agenda alright and like any other bully and a con man the agenda is him.

Posted by: Madbusinesswomen | October 5, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Obma warns? Oh yeah, we're really scared ya racist

Obama joined a church and for 20 years bashed whitey.

Any white voting for this racist needs their head examined.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy55sc1 | October 5, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

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dummypants:
"Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist or had a convicted felon help them buy their house"

You forgot to mention doing a little blow when he could afford it.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Some of you Republicans including Palin and McCain need to move back to the McCarthy era where you'd obviously be more comfortable.

Posted by: SarahBB | October 5, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

All about the past now, is it? Check out McCain's past--personal and political and ask if this creep should be tossing stones. Not to mention Lil Miss Wink and Wiggle who seems to be the real candidate for President on the Republican side.

Posted by: rusty3 | October 5, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

If Barry is a natural born citizen, why won't he release his long form birth certificate? We, the ignorant citizenry clinging to our guns and religion, would like to see it, and have a right to see it.

Barry's half siblings say he was born in Kenya, because his mother was disallowed from flying in her last trimester. She flew from Hawaii to Kenya a few days after he was born (and a few years before Selma).

The recently filed lawsuit Berg. v. Obama et. al., in the US District Court for the Easteren District of PA is trying to compel Barry to produce the long-form certificate. All Barry has ever produced is a certificate of registration. What's Barry hiding?

C'mon Barry, it's not such a big deal. Show us your birth certificate.

Posted by: quietpatriot1776 | October 5, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Is it a smear to tell the truth about Obama's links to terrorism when they are substantiated? NO

Posted by: StarsAndStripesForever | October 5, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist or had a convicted felon help them buy their house, because those aren't smears. Those are true facts about Barack Obama,"
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check mate

Posted by: dummypants | October 5, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

If Ayers is such an unrepentant terrorist then why was he never put in jail? Because it's all a load of bullsh*t! McCain cryed to the judge to not put him in jail after trial of the Keating 5.

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 5, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Keep smearing, I VOTED Obama/Biden!

Posted by: OneFreeMan | October 5, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

While I am not a fan of Karl Rover, to compare him to Rev. Write is a a fuzzy logic. Rev. Write hates Americans, whites and Jews (despite his good work for the black community). Racism comes in many colors. We need to stop political correctness. It will kill our democracy. Or we will become like Great Britan where Sharia Law is now part of their dual legal system. See link below.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin seems to the the official "Swift Boat" for McCain's political campaign.

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 5, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Democracy Rules...

Have you ever considered that Hillary Clinton may NOT HAVE WANTED to serve as VP? She's getting ready for another run in 2012. Obama couldn't "put her on his ticket" unless she wanted to be there.

That's why McCain had to go all the way to Alaska before he found someone stupid enough to run with him. Qualified republicans like Kay Hutchinson and Libby Dole all told him to shove it where the sun don't shine.

Posted by: caebling | October 5, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Why am I not surprised that Obama warns Americans about Republicans SMEARING?

Republicans RUN ON SMEARS, NOT ON ISSUES!

McCain goes the typical Republican ROVIAN route:
1) avoid the issues
2) use smoke & mirrors to avoid proposing realistic solutions
3) promise feel-good "pie in the sky"
4) ask people to believe more Republican lies and deceptions
5) ATTACK, smear and slander anyone who tells the truth, especially the opposing candidate like Obama
6) and the list goes on...

BOTTOM LINE: we can't afford Republicans any more. THEY DON'T WANT TO GOVERN.
AND THEY'RE TOO EXPENSIVE.

Posted by: ddarker1 | October 5, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

The Palin affair will become bigger news in about a week when Brad Hanson appears on 60 Minutes. McCain and Palin are both adulterers and thats why they're perfect for each other. My God, look at the way he keeps checking out her ass and playing with his wedding ring!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN5xbWtNSU&feature=related

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 5, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Citizenship of Obama ===> Non Issue.

Only a US citizen by BIRTH can become the President of the USA.

If Obama's citizenship were in question, he would not be a presidential candidate.

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 5, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

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SOCALdem:
"So Let's Be Clear when associations with "un-reputable" people are brought to attention......"

McCain was cleared by the Senate Ethics Committee of acting improperly or violating any law or Senate rule. That's a non-guilty verdict any way you look at it.
Now you clear up Obama's association with Ayers, Rezko, and Wright, et al.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how any woman can vote for a Obama who did not put a white woman on his ticket, just because she is more experienced than him. Is it poor judgment or something else?

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

It's funny to me that the McCain campaign is trying to tye Obama to these people. McCain friends haven't excatly been the best either..hmmm Karl Rove, Tom Delay, President Bush...
Let's focus on the issue McCain... that is what our country needs right now. or do you just not understand?

Posted by: abseely | October 5, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

The swift boat folks claimed they were factual as well. Even when they contradicted themselves from previous statements about his valor.


It's sad the RNC can't run on the issues....... why is that?

Posted by: yakmon | October 5, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

From "The Make Believe Maverick":

McCain was not only a lousy student, he had his father's taste for drink and a darkly misogynistic streak. The summer after his sophomore year, cruising with a friend near Arlington, McCain tried to pick up a pair of young women. When they laughed at him, he cursed them so vilely that he was hauled into court on a profanity charge.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/2

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 5, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Remember the KEATING FIVE!

From the comment of wileynash (October 5, 2008 6:32 PM), it seems he has no trouble supporting McCain for President, even though McCain was tagged with "poor judgment" in ethical matters by his fellow senators.

For me, that raises serious doubts about McCain's judgment and his ability to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Posted by: HughBriss | October 5, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

PALIN: MS HUBRIS, USA
In its modern usage, hubris denotes overconfident pride and arrogance; it is often associated with a lack of knowledge combined with a lack of humility. An accusation of hubris often implies that suffering or punishment will follow, similar to the occasional pairing of hubris and nemesis in the Greek world. The proverb "pride goes before a fall" is thought to sum up the modern definition of hubris. In reference to someone being in hubrity: hubrity is a fulfillment of being hubristic or a continual behavior of being prideful. Victor in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein exudes hubris in order to become a great scientist, but is eventually regretting this previous desire. Faustus in Christopher Marlowe's play Dr. Faustus exudes hubris, all the way until his final minutes of life.

Posted by: nacnudbob | October 5, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain supporters you can't have it both ways. McCain, and palin have a dark past do we really want to cross that bridge to nowhere?

Keating 5

Palin's alleged affair

McCain unfaithful to first wife

and on and on and on

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS WHAT PLAIN SAID, according to the AP:

"Our opponent ... is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country," Palin told a group of donors in Englewood, Colo. A deliberate attempt to smear Obama, McCain's ticket-mate echoed the line at three separate events Saturday."

PALLING AROUND WITH TERRORISTS? WHY IS THE PRESS TOLERATING THIS?????

Posted by: jdlondon | October 5, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Another question for McCain:

How come we can't see your medical records?

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 5, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Another question I'd like to ask McCain:

John, why did you grauate in the bottom of your class in the Naval Academy?

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 5, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Everytime Sarah speaks I send OB more $$$..

Posted by: jameo1 | October 5, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey Barry, where's your birth certificate? Why won't you make it available? Put up or shutup Barry.

Read the notes of the CAC, Obama and Ayers collaborated closely to change the mission of public education from education to left-wing indoctrination. More soccer moms and dads need to know the truth of this. Go ahead, read them, they are part of the public record.

Posted by: quietpatriot1776 | October 5, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

One question I'd like to ask John McCain:

John, why did you commit adultry on your first wife.

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 5, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey Billw3, awhitel, Wileynash -

McCain & Glenn may have been cleared but let's not escape the fact that Keating was more than a constituent to McCain--he was a longtime friend and associate. McCain met Keating in 1981 at a Navy League dinner in Arizona where McCain was the speaker. Keating was a former naval aviator himself, and the two men became friends. Keating raised money for McCain's two congressional campaigns in 1982 and 1984, and for McCain's 1986 Senate bid. By 1987, McCain campaigns had received $112,000 from Keating, his relatives, and his employees--the most received by any of the Keating Five. (Keating raised a total of $300,000 for the five senators.)

After McCain's election to the House in 1982, he and his family made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, three of which were to Keating's Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips (as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights.

And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the regulators, McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100 in a Keating strip mall.

So Let's Be Clear when associations with "un-reputable" people are brought to attention......

Posted by: SOCALdem | October 5, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Three questions I'd love to ask Barack:

Q: How do you define smear?

To my knowledge, smears are not fact based. So your association with Ayers, Trinity United Church (you're on record praising Black Liberation Theology) Rezko... these are smears? On the contrary, they are truth.

Q: Why were you so well funded by the very people who are at the top of our economic crisis?

Q: (I've saved the easiest question for last , Barack)

Please name some of your longtime associates who all Americans would consider patriots. The individuals you've had the opportunity to personally call your mentors. The people in your life that you look back on and say, these people are American heroes, my idols, they have shaped my world philosophy. And please, in the words of Katie Couric, no generalities please.

Personally, I hope the media and the McCain campaign educate Americans on the racist theology you have embraced for the past 20 years. (NOt a smear, just a fact) You threw the good Rev Wright (the man you've referred to as a "mentor" and "uncle" "the father you never had") under the bus a few months back but you've yet to tell us how you feel about the crazy separatist teachings you embraced at TUCC. And for those of you who believe that Rev Wright was just an outspoken pastor, you need to look into Trinity United Church.

This was taken directly from Trinity United Church of Christ’s website in the “Talking Points section, as it was written by Barack Obama’s mentor, Jeremiah Wright:“…The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

Here is an excerpt from that book.

“Christ is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into our world where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves into liberating servants.

”Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”

Smear, Barack?
I don't think so.

Posted by: wileynash | October 5, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

It's really very hypocritical when the Obama campaign calls questioning things that are part of normal vetting of his background "smears". The press has been unloading onto Palin in an historically inappropriate way, and treating McCain to a microscopic parsing of his flaws, that goes beyond normal "vetting" of candidates.

The fact that the press refuses to vet Obama and the McCain campaign has to do this on their own, directly, doesn't mean that the McCain campaign's being inappropriate in attacking these issues about Obama.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM

All of this will not right the economy and John Mccain has lost that argument. Unfortunately you won't be able to feed the family on John McCain's idea on the economy.

John McCain has lost the argument and he has nothing to talk about that will help you or your family so he resorts yo the old Washington trick of smearing the opponent. Take a story that has an ounce of truth which by itself would not be harmful and elaborate on it to make Obama a "pal" of the former terrorist. This was known for months but is only brought out now because this banking crisis has shown how bad McCain's ideas were for the economy. This is a Swift boating attempt. What did Swift boating get us. The last four years of G W Bush leading us in the wrong direction.

McCain did not know what to do during the crisis so he suspended his campaign without suspending the campaign. He went to Washington and did nothing that he could not have done on the campaign trail. Then saying he would not debate which implied he could not do two things at one time. Then with no deal he debated realizing what he originally said was nonsense. He could not bring together a majority of Republicans and then blamed the Democrats after the bill failed. Then the next day he changed his mind and said we should not blame but rather all work together.

If McCain just followed the Obama lead there have been less confusion and more calm and he could have accomplished something during those wasted days.

McCain is to erratic and can not be relied upon to remain calm and think straight during a crisis.


Posted by: Gator-ron | October 5, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

From the RollingStone article "Make Believe Maverick":

On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.

"I'm going to the Middle East," Dramesi says. "Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran."

"Why are you going to the Middle East?" McCain asks, dismissively.

"It's a place we're probably going to have some problems," Dramesi says.

"Why? Where are you going to, John?"

"Oh, I'm going to Rio."

"What the hell are you going to Rio for?"

McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.

"I got a better chance of getting laid."

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 5, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

''The comments are about an association that has been known but hasn't been talked about,'' Palin said as she boarded her plane in Long Beach, Calif. ''I think it's fair to talk about where Barack Obama kicked off his political career, in the guy's living room.''(NYT)

Throwing stones: WHO'S LIVING ROOM? And who do you pal around with?
Palin should file threaten lawsuit against NATIONAL ENQUIRE for saying she had an affair and force them to reveal their sources.
Now about about McCain, Carol and Cindy and how they met....Again, you don't want to know.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 5, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"If we are going to dish, what about the way Cindy's drug problems..."

Posted by: fmjk

Meanwhile the admitted cocaine user is leading in the polls.

Posted by: wileynash | October 5, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

In times of distress, fear is successfully exploited with divisive hate-based tactics and appeals to patriotism. It is too easy to magnify associations in attempts to turn opinions against a person or group of people. The most recognizable instance where this has occurred with enormous impact is Nazi Germany. Unfortunately, people have mostly failed to recognize the consequences of either their complacency or complicitness with such tactics until long after the damage is done, that is if they are not themselves casualties of the resulting conflict. Beyond all the flag waving, the United States appears to be growing more divided. We should be better than this. We need to be better than this.

Posted by: Lantern | October 5, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

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I say, find the actual facts and get them out to the voters. That should take care of the great one.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Palin the Christian. McCain, a man who stands behind his word. Well, Just another reason to send in my next donation to the Obama camp.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 5, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

bubba
"These are despicable people and it is inconceivable that Obama's own character has not been influenced by them. "

Are you talking about Prescot Bush supporting the Nazi party? Supporting the same corporations that brought about the Great Depression that are bringing down the US to the brink of another Depression?

So these "despicable" things of our past that were brought on by the people you support should remain in office because????........ Why?

Posted by: jamesc2 | October 5, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

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ChrisStewart re McCain getting tough:
"Please don't do it"

Sure, when the fox gets in the henhouse, just leave the door full open next time.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Why is anyone surprised this is where the McCain campaign would go? Issues? Are you kidding? Does anyone think that McCain has a chance when we talk issues? As an Obama supporter, there is nothing to gain by engaging the McCain supporters who post some of the vilest comments I have ever seen. They are living in a parallel world where reality has no place. Any individual with even a modicum of intelligence would read their stuff and laugh. I guess it would be funny if it was not so tragic.

Senator Obama has been called a racist, a terrorist, a criminal, a liar and a non-citizen. If I hear "Barack Hussein Obama" one more time, I'll throw-up! All these charges are then supported by statements taken from information that has already been found to be false, with their foundation in conspiracy theories and the fear tactics of the Republican slime machine, with the intent of, oh I don't know, maybe scaring voters into not voting for Obama. These are all repeats of stuff we have already heard. I can understand why. His runningmate just made herself look like a caricature and a source of great material for SNL in the debate. How about a title for the video: Sarah Palin starring in "Clueless in St. Louis!" Watchout Judy Garland!! The Maverick is here! I think she will eclipse even Bill Clinton on that score at SNL. ROTFLMAO!!!

Senator McCain sees every poll showing his and Governor Palin's appeal is fading fast. Senator McCain just pulled his campaign out of Michigan, Obama leads by double digits in Pennsylvania, and is marginally ahead in Florida and Virginia, the bastions of the Republicans' base. When one looks at the electoral map, the only solace that Senator McCain has is that the election is still a few weeks away. If Colorado and Missouri trend toward Obama, that may be the end. Heck, I would be trying to change the subject and slinging as much mud as possible, too. No wonder his spokespersons are in attack mode. It would appear that the orchestra is tuning up and the Fat Lady is waiting in the wings to perform.

Posted by: NYLiberal | October 5, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"Ayers is just a guy in my neighborhood."

Why Barack, have you continued to smear Ayers?

Posted by: wileynash | October 5, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Todd Palin, Sarah's first dude was a member of Alaska's Independence Party for years which wants Alaska to separate from the United States. It's bush league for her to question Obama's patriotism.

She is not ready to take over if McCain dies in office

Posted by: fitzgerald43 | October 5, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey NoVA, this is what the McCain camp thinks about you...
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/05/mccain-brother-calls-northern-virginia-communist-country/

Apparently we're all communists! If I needed anything else to sway my vote, this is it! Go to hell McCain campaign, we're true Americans living by the Nation's capital capital and helping to run this country. If you don't like us because we're independent minded, then don't count on any of our votes!

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | October 5, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

While Sarah Palin is smearing Obama with the "terrorist" label, associating with someone who would terrorize his own country, she seems to conveniently forget that her own husband was a member of the Alaska Independance Party quite recently, and she has sent her friendly greeting to them since she has been governor. This is a group that does not love America, they want to leave America. They would be happy if America as a country were dismantled. Remind her of that!

Posted by: janiak | October 5, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

If we are going to dish, what about the way Cindy's drug problems (which provoked a criminal investigation because she bought drugs in quantities large enough to distribute and she bought them through the auspices of her charitable medical organization) were smoothed over and hushed up?

Posted by: fmjk | October 5, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

To John McCain,

Please don't do it. Please, stop this. This will be a new low in American history. Don't be Bush, please.

If you tell Palin to hush now, there will be no harm and no foul. If you allow your campaign to continue down this path, you will ruin you national legacy.

Please, John. Show the courage to rebuke the moral-less people in your party and campaign. I realize you are going to lose, but do it with dignity and class. Please John, rethink this strategy.

- Chris

Posted by: ChrisStewart | October 5, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

In all countries of the world (except the US), 50 % of the population is below average intelligence. In the US, the percentage is above 50.

Posted by: huga1 | October 5, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't need to take the low road in attacks against McCain and Palin. He has ABC, CBS, NBC, Tina Fey, the majority of the media led by the Post to do it for him.

Posted by: chewysdad | October 5, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I would like to suggest that we take this election seriously and treat all four people running, Biden, McCain, Obama and Palin, with respect. They are all good people with some faults.

True, there has been a lot of smearing of Palin, and now Palin is doing some smearing of Obama. It is not good, but we voters are at fault because we lap up all the attacks against "the other side".

Some say, "I like Obama, so is OK to smear Palin." Others say, "I like McCain, so it is OK to smear Obama."

Let me suggest that it is NOT OK because hostile attacks on the candidates cause the candidates to run for cover, or to hide their true positions. And then WE lose because we do not find out what the truth is. We voters need to act in a way which encourages the candidates to be truthful to us.

Palin is not an idiot and Obama is no friend of terrorists. And now let us get on with honest campaigning.

Posted by: rohitcuny | October 5, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I've been a member of the GOP for 60 plus
years and the comments made by those who
profess to be for McCain/Palin are some of
the most disgusting that I have heard since
Hitler's Brownshirters put that Goofball into
power. Recently, researchers claimed that 34%
of the people were just plain stupid and it
is beginning to appear that most of those are
in my party. Literacy is not just about reading and writing, you have to understand
what you read and write. Kindly try to do so.

Posted by: gringovejo | October 5, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's what Paul Begala said today if McCain follows this scorched earth policy:

"And I think Governor Palin here is making a strategic mistake. This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back, I have written a book about McCain, I had a dozen researchers go through him, I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.”

Now, that's not John McCain, I don't think he is that. But you know, the problem is that a lot of people know John McCain’s record better than Governor Palin. And he does not want to play guilt by association or this thing could blow up in his face."

Posted by: frankbrit | October 5, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

John McCain should remember his own past before trying to smear another's past! This quote was taken from Meet the Press, October 5, 2008, stated by Paul Begala:

"This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back—I’ve written a book about McCain. I had a dozen researchers go through him. I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization. It was the U.S. Council for World Freedom. It was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran-Contra scandal. It was an ultraconservative right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981, when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League, the parent organization, which ADL said, “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and Anti-Semites.”

Posted by: mbuttterfly77 | October 5, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

With regrettably few exceptions, these posts clearly demonstrate why the founding fathers didn't want the masses to elect the president!

Posted by: ggay2 | October 5, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

so here we go again eh ... this time, if the american bubbas and bubbettes buy the repulican scare tactics and smear campaigns, they will have really desrved to end up as a third rate country that america will become ... thye have sent the economy down the shoot, lied consistently from everything to everything ... go vegetate and obsess about celebrities and watch fox and watch the world pass you by ... this time it is going to be irrevocable ... emperor nero and rome comes to mind ....amazing how banal and superflous the nbation has become ...

Posted by: nurallahjivraj | October 5, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"What will Obama do when they questions his citizenship "

There is no question about his citizenship - his mother was an US citizen. End of question.

Posted by: j2hess | October 5, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with rev wright he did'nt break into a office in the middle of the night like g gordan liddy. McCain's buddy

I have no problem with william ayers. That b.s. happened forty years ago. John mccain was a pow snitching on camera

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

@minghia: here ya go:
Obama:
BA Political Science (specialty International Relations) - Columbia University
JD - Harvard (Editor & President Harvard Law Review)
8 years in Illinois senate
Taught Constitutional Law for 12 years... Sr Lecturer for 8 years.
3 years in the Senate... Senate Foreign Relations Committee... Senate Committee on
Veterans' Affairs... Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions... Senate
Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
List of sponsored legislation... http://tinyurl.com/6nzbg4

Posted by: burf | October 5, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama is running on the platform of change. So did communists that came to power in Russia in 1917, so did Hitler. I know Obama wants to talk 'nice' to people like Ahmedijan, but the human history has shown us that Peace-at-any-price always led to war. Obama is naive and inexperienced. The hate to which he was exposed for 20+ yrs from Rev. Write I am sure has left an impact on his soul.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

KEATING 5

"The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES against him. McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf. The report also said that McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him...."

However... 3 Democrats were convicted.

"The scandal was followed by a number of attempts to adopt campaign finance reform—spearheaded by U.S. Sen. David Boren (D-OK)—but most attempts died in committee. A weakened reform was passed in 1993. Substantial campaign finance reform was not passed until the adoption of the McCain-Feingold Act in 2002.

So, not only was McCain cleared, he took the experience and managed pass real campaign finance reform.

Posted by: wileynash | October 5, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

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minghia:
"I have a hard time accepting as "good and decent" someone who associates with the likes of Wright, Redzko, Ayers, Davies, etc."

So do other responsible people, but Obama's base core of supporters are blacks, die-hard democrats, and the young who think he is cool. Facts and reputation mean nothing to them.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Instead of discussing the accusations of associating with terrorist,
Obama reacts like a terrorist by threatening at all who dare to criticize or challenge him.

Posted by: olandug | October 5, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Keating Five: John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment". --Senate Ethics Committee

Posted by: awhite1 | October 5, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has been getting a pass on this issue for too long. The allegations concerning his past have a factual basis and are not "smears" or "swift boat" tactics. William Ayers is only the tip of the iceberg. Much of Obama's past adult life has been spent in the chosen company of urban terrorists, left-wing radicals, racists, America-haters, hate-mongering preachers, and even convicted criminals. These are despicable people and it is inconceivable that Obama's own character has not been influenced by them. The suspicion is reinforced by Obama's extreme liberal voting record. These are major issues among the many voters who still have doubts about Obama. The media and both campaigns have a responsibility to insure that Obama's past is clearly exposed for public evaluation.

Posted by: bubba31138 | October 5, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

this is a pretty interesting obama vid on you tube /watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI

Posted by: averagejay | October 5, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I do not understand how anyone can encourage this smear campaign, but if you want to get into then lets talk about a few things.
If you are going to judge Obama's preacher then lets have at Palin's. Palin's preacher is witch hunter. Look up the horrors that have occurred in Africa thanks to witch hunters. Palin believes in this witch hunting that, whether she believes it or not, results in the deaths and abandonment of children.
Or lets talk about the rape kits that victims have to pay for in Wasilia.
Or better yet Palin's husband's membership to the Alaskan Independence Party.
Or the fact that McCain, the honorable man that he is, left his first wife because an accident disfigured her and began a relationship with his new trophy wife before the divorce was final.

I think the Republicans should be grateful that Democrats do not use the same disgusting tactics as they do.

Posted by: tanzinamikana | October 5, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Keep sliming, Repugs, and show the nation what you're really about. We haven't heard one word from McCain yet on how he would cope with the still-problematic economic crisis--oh, ya, cut taxes and give more money to corporations. And deregulate some more. Forgot.

You guys have nothing this time around, and your lack of policy direction, if allowed to "lead," would genuinely hurt Americans. That's why so many Americans are fleeing in a different direction. Your sliming, I predict, will help them along in that decision.

So adios. And a suggestion: eight years from now, find a non-petrified candidate and a VP who doesn't come across like a goofy pre-school teacher. The only ones you're impressing are Karl Rove and some TV comedians.

Posted by: yogi11 | October 5, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

To all you morons who keep insisting that Obama isn't a US citizen.... Obama is a US senator. As a US senator he has access to classified US intellgence information. In order to do that he has to hold DoD Top Secret and/or TS/SCI clearances. They do not give those to non-US citizens. He was investigated by the FBI, DoD, and other US agencies with 3-letter acronyms. The same holds true for McCain and any other US senator. Now will you please crawl back under your rocks.

Posted by: caebling | October 5, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the Dems didn't smear McPalin. They didn't have to. She did it all by herself when she opened her mouth and showed that she could not put a group of words together to form a coherent sentence. She did show that she was capable of memorizing talking points and reading from her note cards, but is was not clear that she understood what she was saying.

Posted by: rac265 | October 5, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

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spencer911:
McCain should be very, very careful. There’s the Keating Five mess.

Hey Spencer, McCain was cleared of ANY wrongdoing re the Keating five. I'll bet you beat up on the cat when no one's looking too.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

So Obama-Spendorama (Other people"s momey of course) is worried about "Smear" Seems like the guy who has foisted the biggest huge lie of the century on people is the King if Smear. He repeatedly blames the government for everything, has no respect, and throws a tantrum when the productive in American society refuse to hand over their wealth so the Obamabots can have it.
Hell no, USA, is not ready to be a socialist nation! We have just begun to fight!
You might have fooled many with your caustic irreverent crap, but the men who have fought for this country and are still alive will vote you gone.
Clean up your act Obama. You can't run a nation on hype and blame games. It takes a lot more, You don't have a clue.

Posted by: USDefender | October 5, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

John McCain and Sarah Palin have increasingly shown themselves to be horrible human beings. Any honor or decency McCain possessed died long ago and his P.O.W. status doesn't mean anything anymore. He's spent that capital. He is no longer worthy of being called "patriotic" and Palin is, and always has been, nothing more than an ignorant joke... an empty shell of an aging beauty queen, devoid of any substance. If you don't like Obama's candidacy, that's fair enough... don't vote for him... but please don't legitimize this disgusting jaded old man and this remedial embarrassment of a woman by giving them your vote. Perhaps if we TRULY put America first for a change, John McCain will remember what that actually means... or he'll just retire and shrivel away into nothingness as, tragically, his soul has already done.

Posted by: Jazzgasm | October 5, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

nagaisu: you're so naive - of course it works, it always does and this is no exception.

Posted by: minghia | October 5, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Keating Five.

Posted by: Godwhacker1 | October 5, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

My, but the wingnuts are angry today. I guess that's what happens when they realize they backed the wrong horse and that their VP's winky-flirty act only worked on guys who were already on their side.

Posted by: stewartflamingo | October 5, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

cutebunion wrote:
"Senator Obama is a good and decent man with a great record of ethical conduct throughout his long political career, and this is obvious to anyone who is paying attention. McCain's "straight talk express" ran off the rails a long time ago"

Sen 0bama is a political baby - you can't be serious: a long political career? All I can find is a bunch of speeches and very very little action. He was "present" a bunch of times ...

I have a hard time accepting as "good and decent" someone who associates with the likes of Wright, Redzko, Ayers, Davies, etc. We do of course always eventually hear the song: "I hardly new the man". For me, the way Sen 0bama handled his Chicago politics as well the primary against HRC say more than enough.

Posted by: minghia | October 5, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Tucker Bounds, a McCain spokesman, defended his campaign's strategy.

"Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist or had a convicted felon help them buy their house

Obama is absolutely right. Instead of talking about real issues, McCain's only option left is to take the low road.
Behold the last, pitiful attempts to grasp what's left of their unsuccessful campaign.

Posted by: birdaa | October 5, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I haven't seen so much stupid in one thread in a long, long, time. There's a whole lot of foaming at the mouth coming from Republicans right now. This tactic isn't going to work and it makes Republicans sound like whackos. And that might not be too far from the truth.

Posted by: nagaisu | October 5, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain should be very, very careful. There’s the Keating Five mess. His own family Values mess. His health (a real issue). And this kind of thing http://myblogthebword.blogspot.com/2008/09/my-holiday-with-john-mccain-it-was-just.html
On top of all of this we have proof that McCain was palling around with George Bush!

Posted by: spencer911 | October 5, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

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rick220:
"Any American who casts a vote for McCain/Palin is either ignorant or stupid."

How about name-callers, are they stupid or ignorant?

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 5, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Obama. Get more aggressive on the issues, while experienced McCain plans to become more aggressive on guilt by associations rather than addressing the people on why he'd be the stronger "leader" during these times. Thank you for you effort and competence. Thank you for your focus. Thank you for not treating a voter like myself, like an idiot and trying to distract me from what matters most. I would appreciate it if McCain suspended those planned tactics, and address me the way you are, on the issues.

I will wait and observe to see the standard America chooses. I hope we push back against this nonsense strategy, sending the message loud and clear. Our time is limited to see these candidates deliver responses on the issues, and it is important that they get aggressive in selling their approach, not attacks in guilt by association.

Don't tell me: "Hey, Obama was on a board...." Tell me how this country is going to benefit with your plans. Tell me how competent your VP is in case she has to take over. Show me why, with all of your experience, you would be the legit choice; attacking your opponent at the last hour, instead of tackling the issues to the public more aggressively, is not cutting it. Maverick.

Posted by: Obama2008 | October 5, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

nteschner said:
"If people would vote for their own personal best interests and not in fear, Obama would win in a landslide. "

Thank you doctor for nailing the problem with the 0bama supporters!

McCain / Palin 08

Posted by: wileynash | October 5, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Just months into his Senate career, in the late 1980s, McCain made what he has called "the worst mistake of my life." He participated in two meetings with banking regulators on behalf of Keating, a friend, campaign contributor and S&L financier who was later convicted of securities fraud.

The Senate ethics committee investigated five senators' relationships with Keating. It cited McCain for a lesser role than the others, but faulted his "poor judgment."

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 5, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

wileynash: totally agree with your comments. In our presidential election history, there never was "fight the smears" web. His team knows that those aren't not rumors (some are truth) and want to hide those and blame on GOP. All along his team never admit he held dual citizenshhips. When a attorney from PA (Hillary supporter) filed a lawsuite, Obama's team quickly posted on the web and said "Obama's Kenya citizenship has expired and never renewed". Why didn't they let us know before? There are many things they are hiding. Remember how Hitler used the media to hide the truth and blinded the German people. I will not vote based on what I hear from media, I will vote with my guts.

Posted by: davidhtinkyaw | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

JRM2: "McCain has now linked Obama with Cheech and Chong."

Now this is getting REALLY serious.

Posted by: sketchpada | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I love how people try to call Obama a crook but can't actually name ANYTHING he has stolen. I have a laundry list of 10 trillion dollars worth of money stolen by the Republicans.

I love how they try to smear him by saying he associated with that Ayers guy in the 60s. The 60s! Nobody mentions how McCain appointed Ayers to a staff post in the 90s!

John McCain = America McFail !!

Posted by: qikceltic | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

THE TRUTH OFTEN HURTS!! Obama and the liberal media have tried to hide the bad in Obama's past. These are not lies! Some, Jackson, Sharpton and Wright are not very far in the past!!

Obama can be named as the original helper for the mess the country finds itself in. He was with ACORN when they pushed for letting anyone buy a house and have credit without means to pay for it. He had friends in Fannymae and Freddiemac who gave him lots of money the short time he has been in the Senate.

Obama has NO experience and is indeed an empty suit. He is only 50% African-American!!

If you still do not believe these truths, go and read his wife's thesis at Princeton. It is on the internet and is full of hate!!

Have you tried your burka on lately?

Posted by: annnort | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

It is ironic to me that Obama is using a 'Smear' word, since Democrats have done nothing but smear Palin. Obama is a socialist with a far left wing agenda. I voted for democrats my entire life, But I guess I am now ready for Change. I will vote for McCain/Palin

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Watch the Palin video again. Watch the reaction of the women behind her. Tell me whether they agreed with her or not.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Watch the Palin video again. Watch the reaction of the women behind Sarah. Tell me whether they agreed with her or were they caught off guard.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA AND HIS WIFE NEED TO GO BACK TO CHICAGO AND KEEP THEIR CORRUPTION THERE. THE PRESS NEEDS TO HOUND OBAMA LIKE THEY DO PALIN. SHAME ON ALL THE PRESS FOR NOT BEING FAIR AND BALANCED BETWEEN THE CANADATES./

Posted by: ernursek | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama is on the high road he has held thru this tediously lengthy campaign. Mccain has tried his POW card, his blowing the core christian card, his i gotta woman card, his i was a maverick once card and they all proved subpar to the obama standards of professionalism, common sense, thoughtful analysis of national problems and intelligence applied to planning. Now what..he goes to what he really-really is, a nasty bully who wants his rubber duck. And he is nasty to his republican core. and he has his ugly, nasty bedfellow farce of a vp to help him sling his feces in their last, lonesome, loathesome, pathetic frustrated, cloaked immature squalls of "I WANT MY RUBBER DUCKY!!!!
G o d o w n, scumbag and take your sick sociopathic core values with you.

Posted by: bikeman2 | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

What has been reported may be a "version" of the truth, but the question is: What is McCain's intent? It is to indicate that Obama may align himself with terrorist activities, which is ridiculous - hence a "smear tactic." And I can see why he would want to spend time doing this, as he has not been able to stand up to the scrutiny regarding the economic crisis. It is amazing to see as a psychologist the ability of the republican party to instill fear on part of the population that is uninformed with borderline abstract reasoning skills by creating story lines that are comic book or soap opera like in nature. If people would vote for their own personal best interests and not in fear, Obama would win in a landslide.

Posted by: nteschner | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

What has been reported may be a "version" of the truth, but the question is: What is McCain's intent? It is to indicate that Obama may align himself with terrorist activities, which is ridiculous - hence a "smear tactic." And I can see why he would want to spend time doing this, as he has not been able to stand up to the scrutiny regarding the economic crisis. It is amazing to see as a psychologist the ability of the republican party to instill fear on part of the population that is uninformed with borderline abstract reasoning skills by creating story lines that are comic book or soap opera like in nature. If people would vote for their own personal best interests and not in fear, Obama would win in a landslide.

Posted by: nteschner | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Any American who casts a vote for McCain/Palin is either ignorant or stupid. I'm sorry but there's no election in history where the choice is so clear. I grew up in a Republican family and campaigned for Nixon in '72. McCain is no maverick. He's an old, angry man, who gets off on being in the news and will do anything to win. Family values? Please...he left his sick wife for a young, pretty, rich heiress. Smart? Please...he barely graduated from college, at the bottom of the heap. A maverick? Please...he's self-serving and only interested in making the rich, richer. Wake up, Americans. Vote for intelligence, wisdom, progress - VOTE FOR OBAMA/BIDEN

Posted by: rick220 | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

It's really very hypocritical when the Obama campaign calls questioning things that are part of normal vetting of his background "smears". The press has been unloading onto Palin in an historically inappropriate way, and treating McCain to a microscopic parsing of his flaws, that goes beyond normal "vetting" of candidates.

The fact that the press refuses to vet Obama and the McCain campaign has to do this on their own, directly, doesn't mean that the McCain campaign's being inappropriate in attacking these issues about Obama.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

It's really very hypocritical when the Obama campaign calls questioning things that are part of normal vetting of his background "smears". The press has been unloading onto Palin in an historically inappropriate way, and treating McCain to a microscopic parsing of his flaws, that goes beyond normal "vetting" of candidates.

The fact that the press refuses to vet Obama and the McCain campaign has to do this on their own, directly, doesn't mean that the McCain campaign's being inappropriate in attacking these issues about Obama.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Okay, all you people. This stuff about Obama is OLD NEWS. If he wasn't an American citizen, it would have come out LONG ago.

GET OVER IT. There is nothing more to find out about Obama. All you have left are rumors and innuendo and guilt by association. If you want to bring up bad stuff, the same could be said of YOUR candidate, one of the notorious Keating 5.

But my main point here is this: We do NOT know anything about Sarah Palin. All we know is that she is in the middle of a CURRENT ethics investigation which will just not go away. We don't know everything we NEED to know about Palin.

We do know that the investigation against her is a legal, bi-partisan deal. If you don't believe me, then I suggest you Google a guy named Charlie Huggins, Republican Alaska State Senator. Huggins is something you don't see very often:

An HONEST Republican. Not to mention the fact that he's a decorated Viet Nam Vet, a retired Army Colonel who holds a master's degree, AND he is a member of Sarah Palin's church. He runs circles around Sarah, ethically and intellectually. He's a Republican, yet he voted to investigate her, and he voted for the subpoenas that her husband ignored.

This whole thing about Obama's ties to a so-called terrorist is going to backfire BIG TIME on McCain. BIG TIME. Mark my words.

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

anna loves books
was quoting the Wash Post.....
were these lawsuits heard yet
about mccain's birth certif.?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224_2.html


Posted by: sallieismydog | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry anti-Obama voters. John McCain and Sarah Palin have some heavy duty load of baggage and their closets are full of skeletons. What I don't understand is why you want another 4 or 8 years of the same George W. Bush garbage. Wake-up America! Get used to have the first African-American U.S. President. Barack Obama is a nice and gentleman politician and a great leader! GO OBAMA!

Posted by: doctormiguel | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"Obama did "pal" around with Ayers and Ayers IS a terrorist."

If Ayers is such a terrorist, why has Bush allowed him to live free and move freely around the country the past eight years?

I thought Bush hated terrorists, but apparently Bush just hates America. Or maybe Bush is just stupid.

Or maybe both.

Posted by: castanea | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

We have not seen Obama's medical records but we have seen McCain's ad nauseum. Why is that?

Posted by: dollyq | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Amazing.

Obama "ties" to Ayers are virtually non-existent and completely non-existent as to what Palin calls his "terrorist" activities.

Meanwhile, her husband is a traitor to this country, the member of a party who has planned and continues to plan the overthrow of the US government, who could and perhaps should be indicted, tried and executed. Maybe her, too.

Posted by: mnjam | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Amazing.

Obama "ties" to Ayers are virtually non-existent and completely non-existent as to what Palin calls his "terrorist" activities.

Meanwhile, her husband is a traitor to this country, the member of a party who has planned and continues to plan the overthrow of the US government, who could and perhaps should be indicted, tried and executed. Maybe she should be, too.

Posted by: mnjam | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I've heard that McCain has venereal warts...on his anus!

Posted by: hdtex1 | October 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

What has been reported may be a "version" of the truth, but the question is: What is McCain's intent? It is to indicate that Obama may align himself with terrorist activities, which is ridiculous - hence a "smear tactic." And I can see why he would want to spend time doing this, as he has not been able to stand up to the scrutiny regarding the economic crisis. It is amazing to see as a psychologist the ability of the republican party to instill fear on part of the population that is uninformed with borderline abstract reasoning skills by creating story lines that are comic book or soap opera like in nature. If people would vote for their own personal best interests and not in fear, Obama would win in a landslide.

Posted by: nteschner | October 5, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Any American who casts a vote for McCain/Palin is either ignorant or stupid. I'm sorry but there's no election in history where the choice is so clear. I grew up in a Republican family and campaigned for Nixon in '72. McCain is no maverick. He's an old, angry man, who gets off on being in the news and will do anything to win. Family values? Please...he left his sick wife for a young, pretty, rich heiress. Smart? Please...he barely graduated from college, at the bottom of the heap. A maverick? Please...he's self-serving and only interested in making the rich, richer. Wake up, Americans. Vote for intelligence, wisdom, progress - VOTE FOR OBAMA/BIDEN

Posted by: rick220 | October 5, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain saw how Bush and Rove beat him eight years ago, so he has sold his soul to the same machine with Schmidt in charge. He is following a plan to achieve his final goal, that of president of the US. Bush cheated him out of it before, and Obama, in his mind, is cheating him out of it now. McCain is not hiding his anger nor is he hiding the fact that he is willing to lie about and smear anyone who gets in his way. This is his last chance. He will not run again in 2012. This is McCain's last desperate chance of achieving a place in history.

He can allow Palin to do more of his dirty work, kind of like the swift boaters, and have the masses forget that there are real concerns that matter. McCain's campaign seems to think that if you lie enough times about Obama's tax plan and then attack Obama's character enought times, then enough people who vote will believe the lies.

They believe that if you attack the media enough, they can control the media. That worked for Bush and Rove. Why not for McCain and Palin?

Transparency? I don't think so. If it's a struggle to allow the public to view your tax records, allow the courts to review Troopergate, allow actual doctors to review your health conditions freely, an obstacle to transparency exists. This doesn't give me much confidence that transparency would truly be part of your administration if by some fluke you were elected.

About a month or two ago, his campaign admitted that the election for them was about character but I think they meant character assassination. They admitted the election for them wasn't about issues or policies. This is the straight talk that McCain meant.

I wonder which crisis it is now that is causing McCain to suspend his campaign in Michigan. Logic would have me think that in his mind he is doing if for the good of Michigan, whatever it is. Country first. Or maybe his country first and straight talk do not resonate in Michigan.

Posted by: drrragon | October 5, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama is on the high road he has held thru this tediously lengthy campaign. Mccain has tried his POW card, his blowing the core christian card, his i gotta woman card, his i was a maverick once card and they all proved subpar to the obama standards of professionalism, common sense, thoughtful analysis of national problems and intelligence applied to planning. Now what..he goes to what he really-really is, a nasty bully who wants his rubber duck. And he is nasty to his republican core. and he has his ugly, nasty bedfellow farce of a vp to help him sling his feces in their last, lonesome, loathesome, pathetic frustrated, cloaked immature squalls of "I WANT MY RUBBER DUCKY!!!!
G o d o w n, scumbag and take your sick sociopathic core values with you.

Posted by: bikeman2 | October 5, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

lclifton said
we must do whatever it takes to win! and do it now!
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yes, that is what Hitler and the Nazis said too.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 5, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

yes, the horror of the smear. The swiftboating. Generally, swiftboating is telling the truth about a liberal - and that is unacceptable.

Obama did "pal" around with Ayers and Ayers IS a terrorist. None of this, "I was only 8 years old" crap is going to fly here like it does overseas.

Ayers is very proud of his picture in 2001 stepping on an American flag and regretting he didn't do more terrorism.

B Hussein was a bit more than 8 then, and still has not condemned his good friend. Actually, Ayers kicked off Obama's political campaign in his living room.

That, boys and girls is "palling" around. You America haters are no doubt going to work overtime trying to make the "definition of is" somehow to segue into "definition of a terrorist" but Ayers is still a terrorist and Obama is still his friend.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 5, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I can't get over the ignorance of Obama's economic plan. Lets just recap here for a second. He wants to tax the businesses that give this nation jobs even more. I am so sick of the Democrats belief of redistribute the wealth of the nation!! Lets tax successful people more than deadbeats. Simply unjust. Give me one LOGICAL reason why people who are successful should pay more in taxes, do they use them? Communism. This nation is becoming more and more socialist by the year. We really should change the name of the Democratic party to the national socialists. Our founding fathers would be appalled at what we have let happen to this country.
I seriously fear what would happen to this great nation with Obama in office. The writing is on the wall, special interest groups will some day run this country, and than it will fall.

Posted by: Longviewbiz | October 5, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

What will Obama do when they questions his citizenship? Any American should be able to prove citizenship in less than a day. Why won’t Sen. Obama? In the Berg vs Obama court case Sen. Obama must put an end to the issue by producing the documents. So far Mr. Obama has refused to produce the documents and is trying to fight the court order.

The only way to put an end to the speculation is to prove citizenship. Please call on him to produce the documents for the sake of the country.

Here is a link to the actual court documents - http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/Pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/

A constitutional crisis will rip our country apart. If this is not cleared up now we will have a crisis. If you care at all about America you must call for Mr. Obama to produce the documents and prove that he is eligible to be President.

Please Rally Congress to have Mr. Obama produce the documents to prove his constitutional qualifications.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis

Posted by: tunes59 | October 5, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin should also talk about the junior senator from Illinois’ South side association with the Saudi’s. Read the following excerpts from the 9/8/08 Investors Business Daily article, then ask why no other media circulated this story:
Barack Obama — Magna Cum Saudi?
Election ’08: Does Barack Obama owe his meteoric rise to an Israeli-hating adviser to a Saudi billionaire? Why did a race-baiting mentor to the Black Panthers favor this yet unknown community organizer? As Newsmax’s Kenneth Timmerman reports, he (Obama) was helped by ... Percy Sutton, former Manhattan borough president and ... candidate for mayor of New York in 1977. ... this year on New York’s ... channel NY1, ... Sutton made ... revelations about his relationship with ... Obama. He told NY1 reporter Dominic Carter on Inside City Hall that he was asked to write a letter in support of Obama’s application to Harvard law school… by a friend - Dr. Khalid al-Mansour. Sutton said. He is the principal adviser to one of the world’s richest men.... al-Mansour said, ...(Obama) has applied to Harvard. ...Would you ... write a letter in support of him? Sutton, a former lawyer for Malcolm X and.. business partner of al-Mansour, says he (al-Mansour) was raising money for Obama’s graduate school education (and) al-Mansour was representing top members of the Saudi Royal family seeking to do business and exert influence in the United States. One ... was Prince Alwaleed bin Talalprince who offered ..$10 million to ... New York ... after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. After the prince publicly suggested (...as Jeremiah Wright, did recently) that U.S. policies brought on the attacks, then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani told Alwaleed where he could deposit his check.

Posted by: l_a_murdoch | October 5, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

sallieismydog, smears aimed at either side really do a disservice to both sides. I despise McCain, but he is a U.S. citizen.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_be_elected_president.html

Posted by: AnnaLovesBooks | October 5, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

yes, the horror of the smear. The swiftboating. Generally, swiftboating is telling the truth about a liberal - and that is unacceptable.

Obama did "pal" around with Ayers and Ayers IS a terrorist. None of this, "I was only 8 years old" crap is going to fly here like it does overseas.

Ayers is very proud of his picture in 2001 stepping on an American flag and regretting he didn't do more terrorism.

B Hussein was a bit more than 8 then, and still has not condemned his good friend. Actually, Ayers kicked off Obama's political campaign in his living room.

That, boys and girls is "palling" around. You America haters are no doubt going to work overtime trying to make the "definition of is" somehow to segue into "definition of a terrorist" but Ayers is still a terrorist and Obama is still his friend.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 5, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

H.L. Mencken said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." Well, that may have been true during the past two elections, when Karl Rove and the other Bush cronies (who are now steering McCain's smear campaign against Senator Obama) succeeded in fooling the American public into voting for Bush again by lying to the voters. But it's not going to work this year. Senator Obama is a good and decent man with a great record of ethical conduct throughout his long political career, and this is obvious to anyone who is paying attention. McCain's "straight talk express" ran off the rails a long time ago. The same Karl Rove tactics that were used against McCain by Bush in the 2000 campaign are now being used by McCain to attack Senator Obama. Sorry guys, the American public is wise to you-- Senator Obama is going to be the next President of the United States because he's a great leader and the American public is no longer buying the trash that McCain and his Sultans of Sleaze are selling.

Posted by: Cutebunion | October 5, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

salliethedog said of Mccain/Palin:
"you are mean lying cheating devils. We truly despise the evil in you both."
Posted by: sallieismydog | October 5, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse
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This is the kind of hate that Obama carries in his heart too. Republicans must unleash a barrage of Ayers/Wright/Rezko video that lasts through election day. also run michelle video admitting that she was never proud of America over and over. the "mainstream media is in the tank for Obama and dimocrats. we must do whatever it takes to win! and do it now!

Posted by: lclifton | October 5, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

fROM THE CHICAGO PAPER LAST WEEK ABOUT MCCAIN----AND THE DISASTER IN 2000---AND THE DISASTER IN 2008:

"....Rumors were spread that McCain''s wife Cindy was a drug addict, and that their adopted Bangladeshi child was, in fact, John McCain''s "illegitimate black daughter." Bush won the primary and McCain''s campaign was finished. McCain was rightfully livid and famously confronted George W. Bush about it. Bush''s response was that it was "only politics."

In this year''s presidential campaign McCain has flip-flopped on numerous issues, from campaign finance reform to the Bush tax cuts to offshore drilling. But perhaps nothing he''s done to further his political ambitions is more jaw-dropping than the fact that he has now hired the very same political dirty tricksters who smeared his wife and child back in 2000.

Is there any greater proof of McCain''s lack of honor and integrity than his willingness to employ the very same people who so despicably attacked his own wife and child?............"

THAT''S YOUR MAN, GOP---THE MIGHTY HEROIC JOHN MCCAIN, NOW HOLDING HANDS WITH KARL ROVE....

even more shocking is that MCCAIN IS DUPING YOU INTO SPOUTING KARL ROVE SEWAGE...YOU ARE REPEATING THE ROVE TRASH...JUST LIKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO. FEELS GOOD TO BE USED, EH?

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 5, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain has now linked Obama with Cheech and Chong

Posted by: JRM2 | October 5, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama will take the high road, but if necessary, third-party backers will make Keating a household name for those who have forgotten or were too young. Banking corruption will be far more interesting in this dual, and McCain will lose the election by double digits if he wants to pick this type of fight.

Posted by: gjbingham | October 5, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Three questions I'd love to ask Barack:

Q: How do you define smear?

To my knowledge, smears are not fact based. So your association with Ayers, Trinity United Church (you're on record praising Black Liberation Theology) Rezko... these are smears? On the contrary, they are truth.

Q: Why were you so well funded by the very people who are at the top of our economic crisis?

Q: (I've saved the easiest question for last , Barack)

Please name some of your longtime associates who all Americans would consider patriots. The individuals you've had the opportunity to personally call your mentors. The people in your life that you look back on and say, these people are American heroes, my idols, they have shaped my world philosophy. And please, in the words of Katie Couric, no generalities please.

Personally, I hope the media and the McCain campaign educate Americans on the racist theology you have embraced for the past 20 years. (NOt a smear, just a fact) You threw the good Rev Wright (the man you've referred to as a "mentor" and "uncle" "the father you never had") under the bus a few months back but you've yet to tell us how you feel about the crazy separatist teachings you embraced at TUCC. And for those of you who believe that Rev Wright was just an outspoken pastor, you need to look into Trinity United Church.

This was taken directly from Trinity United Church of Christ’s website in the “Talking Points section, as it was written by Barack Obama’s mentor, Jeremiah Wright:“…The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

Here is an excerpt from that book.

“Christ is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into our world where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves into liberating servants.

”Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”

Smear, Barack?
I don't think so.

Posted by: wileynash | October 5, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Interesting! This is what the McCain/Palin camp can come out with after *throwing in the white flag of surrender* in Michigan.
Kindly refrain from accusing others of surrendering in Iraq when you can't even fight in your own back yard.

There is an old English saying "Breeding will show" and this kind of behaviour is a glimpse of the kind of people in the McCain/Palin camp really are.

I charge, Sir, that you are no warrior, just a petty coward hiding behind a woman's skirts, which is akin to the despicable Saddam who used innocent women and children as human shields.

Mr. McCain you are showing exceedingly poor judgment for employing such people. You are the one responsible for their actions.

Posted by: zahid1 | October 5, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"Sounds like a fake AsperGirl to me. That's too bad. The TRUTH can never be a "smear".

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2008 5:17 PM |"
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Hey JakeD: you never answered my question about how you feel about McCain's relationship with G. Gordon Liddy and Palin's with the AIP

I guess you just choose your battles when they are convenient. But that's OK because it is what I expect form you, an intellectual coward.

BTW: a "smear" usually has a kernal of truth but has been grossly misrepresented.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 5, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain: Buddied with Charles Keating, an ex-con of the same breed as those who dragged us into our ONGOING financial crisis; celebrated his 70th birthday on the yacht of convicted swindler Rafaello Follieri, who just got sent off to the Big House. Tthere are photos: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080929/berman_ames

Palin: left her little town of Wasilla in major debt, claimed thousands in per diem for living in her own house, believes the VP has Cheney-like powers that go beyond anything mentioned or implied in the Constitution

These people should scare the living daylights out of you. Oh, by the way, have they come up with ANY real solution to the ONGOING economic crisis (turn the page when it's still threatening us)? If so, haven't heard it, only slurs and slanders. They're desperate, and over the next 4 sweeks they're going to make things very ugly for all of us. I'm so tired of this kind of politics. If they have nothing to offer but slander, why would anyone support them? We have real problems to deal with. Is McCain so decrepit in his thinking that all he can offer is tired political slime?

Posted by: yogi11 | October 5, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is not a US citizen. there is no record of his birth, supposedly in Panama zone.

Not a citizen? running for Pres? Look it up ... it is true.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 5, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Palin’s charge that Obama is “palling around with terrorists who would target their own country" not only demonstrates a double standard, but has racial overtones. She associates Obama with blacks who have denounced America, but says nothing about her association with whites who have done the same.

Palin has supported the Alaska Independence Party (AIP) to the degree that they thought she was a member. But, on Sept 3rd, Lynette Clark, Chairman of the AIP issued a press release saying, “My statement was incorrect regarding the Governor's membership. What was correct was that Todd Palin was a member, that Sarah as a candidate for Governor appeared at the AIP Convention in 2006, and sent a welcoming DVD to the membership at the 2008 AIP statewide convention.” (www.akip.org)

A founder of the Alaskan Independence Party was Joe Vogler, an infamous placer miner, who said, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions" and "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home." (Wikipedia)

I lived in Fairbanks (Vogler’s home) during the 70’s and knew Joe Vogler. While I think most locals tolerated Joe as another one of those colorful Alaskan eccentrics, when he spoke publicly, which was often, he would not refrain from making violet threats. In fact, there were rumors that the Midnight Militia (Vogler followers) had caches of weapons stashed back in the hills north of Fairbanks. Ironically, Joe was murdered in 1993 by a fellow miner because of a plastic explosives deal that went bad.

If Palin thinks that any association with someone who denounces America is tantamount to sharing the same position, then she has a lot of explaining to do about her association with and Todd’s membership in Vogler’s AIP. If she dismisses the Vogler types as just tolerance for Alaskan eccentricity, then she is not acknowledging how a similar tolerance for the undesirable might exist in the inner city. In essence, she would be demonstrating not only a well established lack of familiarity with foreign cultures, but also a lack of familiarity with the diverse cultures of America’s inner cities. While much has been said about Palin’s lack of foreign travel, I think her comments now draw attention to how much travel she has had within the U.S. prior to being a VP candidate. Does she really know this country?

As someone who has lived in Alaska for nearly 33 years, I think I can rightfully say that what once seemed strange here in Alaska is now familiar and what is probably familiar in the Lower-48 now seems strange. I wouldn’t want to pretend that I was familiar with Lower-48 attitudes without first spending a lot of time travelling the country, even though I have previously been to all 50 states. But Palin doesn’t seem to have that reluctance.

Posted by: geomatz | October 5, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

When McCain said that the economy was sound, he wasn't lying. What he was referring to must have been his own economy. Let me see, some 13 cars, various properties over three time zones and a jet to boot, yeah I would also be saying the same thing too.

Posted by: egghd1697 | October 5, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Since when is the truth a smear.

Posted by: AugustWest1 | October 5, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I've had it with these Karl Rove like tactics, the swift-boating, and the ranting of fanatics. McCain's campaign has hit new lows, it's disgusting. Let's make sure neither McCain nor Palin get elected to any public office ever again!

Posted by: GIJoey | October 5, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I am so ashamed of the trash that is being spoken by the Republicin party candidates.

As a Christian, white, born in 1939.......
I have seen great changes in my life time but right now I am watching the "Pit Bull" and am sad appalled and angry.

Please wake up and vote for the Barack Obama Biden team for president.
Dorian Aronson

Posted by: dorian_ | October 5, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

look up the Mccain "black illegitimate baby" smear in 2000. He was devastated by Bush and Rove.

in 2008, he has hired Rove to do the same to Obama.

Mccain has no integrity at all.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 5, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow, next McCain is going to try and link him with Cheech and Chong.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 5, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

republicans are behind McCain all of the way! The RNC needs to break out the dozens of ABC News films that they are hiding from public. The films showing jeremiah Wright, Obama's mentor for twenty long years, renunciating America and white people. If ignorant pale-faced liberals want to vote Obama in, they need to know what they are doing with no uncertainty.
Obama has worked with terrorists, that is true, but moreover, he is a racist of the worse kind. he is Jeremiah Wright with a mask on.
RNC and McCain need to run these ads until every American has had time to reflect on their message of truth.
Obama must be exposed, and let the chips fall....

Posted by: lclifton | October 5, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama declares any criticism of his behavior and politics as a SMEAR. His wife is anti-american just like his preacher. HIs buddy is a terrorist. I cant believe people would consider voting for him. Obama is a CROOK.

Posted by: drsdc1 | October 5, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Mccain does not have a clue as to how much anger he is unleashing.
He treats us like he is dictator and he will force us to agree.

His tactics are Nazi, and so are his staff members. Vicious wild crazed animals running his campaign.

We despise you Mccain and Palin. You are exactly what is wrong with our country.

you are mean lying cheating devils. We truly despise the evil in you both.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 5, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

SINCE WHEN DID OBAMA BECOME AN ECONOMIST. TELL HIM TO GO BACK TO CHICAGO WHERE THE CORUPTION STARTED. I THINK HE WORRIED ABOUT ALL THE REMARKS ABOUT CORRUPTION AND IS AFRAID OF THE TRUTH THAT HE IS ALL OVER THE ECONOMY, AS IF HE CARES. HE SAYS WHAT HE THINKS WE WANT TO HEAR.

Posted by: ernursek | October 5, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Its desperation time. With his poll numbers sinking like the Titantic, McCain pulls out the tried and true GOP campaign tactic to draw people's attention away from the issues. Willie Horton, Swift Boat, William Aryes. Same old, ugly mud slinging. Obama wants to rise above it, but the rest of us are going to respond. When McCain says Ayres, we say Liddy. When McCain say Rev. Wright, we say Rev. Hagee. When McCain says Rezko, we say Keating. Remeber, Obama has never been disiplined by the Senate for involvement with a corrupt lender, McCain has.

Posted by: dcwsano | October 5, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I once liked McCain enough to send him money in 2000. Now I have maxed out on Obama.

McCain has taken the lowest road to the highest office.

Keep on thinking about the issues AMERICA.

Posted by: mtobias1 | October 5, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

OK OK

Off with the gloves. I blame Mccain's father for using his power pushing mccant fly a plane through the naval academy. Talk about affirmative action let john smith crash one plane and see what happens. I'm tired of him and the fourty year old war record.

McCain was an honorable man in 2000 now he became what he us to hate. A punk

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

This over the top negative campaigning will turn off independents and McCain knows it.

My guess is that McCain has given up and is pandering to the right-wing loonies to rally his base and head off a landslide by Obama.

Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 5, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

It would take a whole army of tired old 60's radicals throwing dynamite in my windows to make me consider a vote for Wrinkly & Winky, er, Grumpy & Dumpy, er, you know, those OTHERS.

.

Posted by: laboo | October 5, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Can the republicans ever present us with a quality candidate for office? They have presented us with Nixon (impeached), Agnew (imprisoned), Reagan (Alzheimer's), GHW Bush (tolerable), Quayle (illiterate), Cheaney (Haliburton/KBR frauds), GW Bush (economically bankrupt). now they give us McCain who has serious judgment issues having picked an air headed religious hypocrite as a running mate and refuses to admit Iraq was nothing more than a revenge assassination by a chipmunk and a madman against the president of a sovereign nation that threatened America with nothing more than hot air. Given that track record we would be better off with a cadaver or is that what they gave us???

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | October 5, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately McCain's strategy might work; Swift Boating became wildly successful against Kerry, and he was just another WASP!
Here we have a black man with all kinds of horrible rumors surrounding him-
people just need a little nudge to be swayed that he's evil incarnate.

Obama should let 3rd parties remind voters of McCain's AND Palin's dirty laundry.

Posted by: franglais | October 5, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain is losing the election. The McCain campaign is switching from a low road campaign to a lower than low road campaign. What use to be hidden tactics are now in the full light of day with Mrs. Palin's bald face lies about Senator Obama and palling with terrorists. What she is insinuating hints of "otherness", "fear", and "racism". This is the mud wrestler that we had a hint of at the RNC convention. Now let us see what scaled underbelly of human behavior she will show us of the people she gathers around her. The appeal is not to our higher angels but to our dark spirits.

Let's see where our media will fall or rise. Who will serve our country and voters and who will delight in the dark abyss of our destruction?

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 5, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain is losing the election. The McCain campaign is switching from a low road campaign to a lower than low road campaign. What use to be hidden tactics are now in the full light of day with Mrs. Palin's bald face lies about Senator Obama and palling with terrorists. What she is insinuating hints of "otherness", "fear", and "racism". This is the mud wrestler that we had a hint of at the RNC convention. Now let us see what scaled underbelly of human behavior she will show us of the people she gathers around her. The appeal is not to our higher angels but to our dark spirits.

Let's see where our media will fall or rise. Who will serve our country and voters and who will delight in the dark abyss of our destruction?

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 5, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

THERE ARE NO SMEAR CAMPAIGNS GOING ON. I THINK THAT IF THE SHOE FITS OBAMA THEN HE NEEDS TO WEAR IT. THERE IS SO MUCH CORRUPTION IN HIS LIFE THAT HE CANNOT BE TRUSTED LET ALONE THINK OF BEING PRESIDENT. IT IS HIS OWN DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT DOWNED HIM STATING THAT HE WAS NOT READY TO BE PRESIDENT. AS FOR ME I WANT JOHN MCCAIN TO BE THE ONE TO GET THAT 3AM CALL. I FEEL SAFE WITH HIM.

Posted by: ernursek | October 5, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by association is a dangerous game. We might, for instance, point out that Palin has been sleeping with a man who joined a party that thinks so little of America that it advocates succession from the country. This didn't happen when Sarah Palin was eight years old, and as a gubernatorial candidate she spoke at the party's 2006 convention. As governor she told the party, "Keep up the good work!"

Palling around with people who don't see America the way you and I do? Check the mirror, Sarah.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/us/politics/04party.html?ref=politics

Posted by: brainmaps | October 5, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

John "Songbird" McCain made 32 anti-American propaganda videos for North Vietnam. There are transcripts from 5 of those films available on the Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain website.

Posted by: vmora | October 5, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Iclifton

You are a great Hannityite

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

We face very serious issues and need to elect serious people. Ever since I can remember elections - starting with President Kennedy, the Republican "machine" has focused on hate, prejudice, fear - anything to distract us from what matters to us - especially if what matters they have no plan to resolve. So let's just turn off such negatives and pay attention to what matters.

Posted by: sally1231 | October 5, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Oliver North, and G Gordan liddy are unrepentant thugs.

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't give to charities. Mccain does!
Obama is a racist! McCain isn't.
Obama is a bigot!
McCain isn't.
Obama has worked with William Ayers, a terrorist!
Michelle Obama was never proud of her country.
McCain always was, even in the worst times.
People - think before you vote!

Posted by: lclifton | October 5, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

mccain does not have a US birth certificate. The Washington post did an article on it.

He cannot show a birth certificate....John Mccain is not a legal citizen

google it---it is true

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 5, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The Bush Administration has created an enormous amount of 'felons' and is surrounded with "felons" too. So What ?? Look at all the Bushies that went to jail.

When you're failing at all the issues you obsess about ridiculous remarks like past aquaintances etc to distract the public from the real issues: Economy, War, Health Care for all Americans, Global Weather problems, etc. Nobody care's about Ayers and Rezko with all the serious issues we have to deal with.

McSame/Failin 8yrs McSame/Failin 8yrs McSame/Failin 8yrs McSame/Failin 8yrs McSame/Failin 8yrs McSame/Failin 8yrs McSame/Failin 8yrs McSame/Failin 8yrs McSame/Failin 8yrs McSame/Failin 8yrs

Posted by: CallPablo | October 5, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain=Unstable
Palin=Unable

Posted by: hdtex1 | October 5, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

John McCain: Keating Five, G. Gordon Liddy. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones - or have their running mate throw them, either.

Posted by: vraymond | October 5, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a tool. McCain is *using her* to do the very thing McCain had so famously opposed: political smears (wrapped in folksy language). McCain has "lived long enough to become the villian." He has sold out his honor, shamefully putting his ego and the election first, dignity and country last. "Let me say it again" ;-) Palin is a tool.

Posted by: patmac2112 | October 5, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by association is a dangerous game. We might, for instance, point out that Palin has been sleeping with a man who joined a party that thinks so little of America that it advocates succession from the country. This didn't happen when Sarah Palin was eight years old, and as a gubernatorial candidate she spoke at the party's 2006 convention. As governor she told the party, "Keep up the good work!"

Palling around with people who don't see America the way you and I do? Check the mirror, Sarah.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/us/politics/04party.html?ref=politics

Posted by: brainmaps | October 5, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I am willing to bet that somewhere on the PTA in Wasilla, there was someone that did something not so nice...maybe murder, rape, child molestation, etc. If that were the case, would Palin then be responsible for it, just as she is trying to make Obama responsible for the Weather Underground? Oh, sure, you say, but a PTA board meeting doesn't mean that those two were friends or confidants, or even advisers to one another. And that is exactly the case with Barack and Ayers.

Posted by: cgallaway2000 | October 5, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

hey everyone,

go google john mccain birth certificate

he is NOT a citizen of the US

no kidding. he has NO birth certif.

really.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 5, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

What about G gordan liddy?

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain needs to start running many ads in battle ground showing Jeremiah Wright and Obama grinning out from photos together. Then, tell how Obama sat in the pews of Trinity church of hate for twenty years and listened to his mentor. Remind voters that obama only stopped going to trinity because it became a campaign issue.
Obama is not only a friend of terrorists, but a racist and bigot.
people who want him to lead them need to that if and when they vote for him.
Obama is a racist....

Posted by: lclifton | October 5, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey McCain can you please explain to the Jewish voters your role with The U.S. Council for World Freedom

Posted by: Lady724 | October 5, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Attention all conservatives you do have a choice http://bobbarr2008.com

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

sketchpada:

The "unrepentant terrorist" is William Ayers.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I do think McCain has no hope this year if the election machines work okay. The times demand systemic changes and, in fact, are making them with or without policy guidance. At least Obama's plans already favored the circumstances so that rather than just run after the cresting wave of change, there's an analytical infrastructure in Obama's proposals and plans. Since we are fast becoming a banana republic as well, it will behoove us to have a good diplomat in the place of a strutting sabre rattling warmonger who doesn't speak to the enemy, even when it comes to shake his hand in the Senate. I am sorry this happened to McCain. He would have been a better deal when Rove ruined his campaign for Bush. But that was then.

Posted by: GaiasChild | October 5, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

News210

McCain hang out with G gordan liddy. What's the big deal?

Posted by: r4147824 | October 5, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Biden the caring ticket? Look at the facts!

Charitable giving in 2007
McCain 27.2%
Palin 3.3%
Obama 1%
Biden .2%

Caring? What do these facts say about character? Time to take a closer look at your own candidates democrats. You have been spending so much time tearing into Palin and listening to main line media you have lost your grip on the truth.

Posted by: usathink | October 5, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

So the McCain campaign wants to talk questionable associations? How about Sarah Palin addressing the political convention of a party whose founder openly hates America, and who died buying plastic explosives on the black market?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYqRfp6-x8

And her husband was a card-carrying member of this party for seven years!

Or we could just stop trading smears and talk about the issues again. McCain appears not to like that though, because on the issues he loses.

Posted by: habes | October 5, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

WOW, now good old Barack wants us to believe that by saying the things he is saying he isn't trying to "Swift Boat" John McCain? Why isn't it a distraction when Barack says that John McCain can't think for himself and he will just be another Bush!! Barack Obama has been hoping no one will look into his past. Well if he is going to be president he better damn well have his background looked into. I don't want someone conning the system and getting in to the white house. Does anyone know who Barack Obama really is? He votes present, has an interesting past, he has hung out with criminals and NO ONE WILL TALK ABOUT IT!!!

I know John McCain was willing to give his life for this country, underwent years of torture when he could have come home early and he doesn't regret it for one minute. At least I know where he stands, he has been willing to give his life for this country and has proven it. So what exactly has Barack Obama done?

Posted by: news21046 | October 5, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Tucker Bounds makes an excellent point. Should we be concerned about someone who has befriended a convicted felon? Should we be concerned about someone who befriends a man who advocated shooting ATF agents in the head? Should we be concerned about someone who befriends a guy who plotted to kidnap a journalist and "leftist protesters"? Yes INDEED we should be concerned about John McCain's friendship with G. Gordon Liddy

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6061828.column

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla | October 5, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

What a desperate lowlife, white trash, loser Palin is. I can't believe that Mr. "I won't run that kind of campaign" McCain is allowing his running mate to resort to such mindless, cheap rhetoric. America is in peril after what the Republicans and Bush have done to us! We need to know what these politicians are going to do to fix the mess, not about smear and gossip from 40 years ago! Obama is an upstanding guy, and Palin is showing us all what trailer trash she truly is. No how, no way, no McCain, No Palin.

Posted by: Hillary08 | October 5, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin have lost the election, the polls are all pointing to Obama winning handily.

This move is an act of desperation, no matter how much lipstick they slather all over Sarah she's still a Dunce, and her conduct is indefensible, to Obama's credit he intends to stay the course and will not trade mud in this contest.


John took a risk with Sarah, hoping she would energize the base, and she did for a while, but the ugly truth is sinking in, even with staunch supporters. They now see her for what she truly is, and its not Vice-Presidential.

The G.O.P. is on the slippery slope, no matter what they do, it will be viewed as desperation, and if they start on Obama it will blow up in their face. The Country is in a desperate situation, hundreds of thousands are losing their homes, their jobs, and the country is into a Recession.

Are Americans interested in Obama's history with Rev. Wright or Albert the protester, I think not!

They want, no need, someone who knows what to do to get the economy going, to end the war, to get health care going for all Americans, to make Education available for everyone, and a myriad of other solutions.

Do Americans really care a rats ass about who Obama worked with 25 years ago, nope,

they care where their next paycheck is coming from, they care about their kids getting sick, they care about the future, not where John McCain spent his time in Vietnam.

Yesterday is water under the bridge, its History, Tomorrow is what counts, out future, our kids future, and their kids future.

This Country has lost forever eight years of its life, never to be regained, for gods sake, lets make sure it doesn't happen again.

Posted by: kentaylor1 | October 5, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The woman is a spider for hire. Apparently there are no depths she wouldn't gleefully sink to.

Posted by: Inkfingers | October 5, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Tucker Bounds: "Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist or had a convicted felon help them buy their house, because those aren't smears. Those are true facts about Barack Obama,"

Mr. Bound is saying that Obama is a terrorist: and so we have come to the greatest smear and the biggest lie ever concocted in an election by a desperate political party campaign lost in viciousness and decline. This kind of ugly and vicious tactic is not American. It is barbaric.

Posted by: sketchpada | October 5, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a fake AsperGirl to me. That's too bad. The TRUTH can never be a "smear".

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Tucker Bounds: "Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist or had a convicted felon help them buy their house, because those aren't smears. Those are true facts about Barack Obama,"

Mr. Boundshe is saying that Obama is a terrorist: and so we have come to the greatest smear and the biggest lie ever concocted in an election by a desperate political party campaign lost in viciousness and decline. This kind of ugly and vicious tactic is not American. It is barbaric.

Posted by: sketchpada | October 5, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

If McCain and the Republican swiftboat teams want to dig for dirt with which to try to smear Sen. Obama, then isn't turnabout is fair play? So, I'll suggest that the MSM they should investigate McCain’s questionable ties to Putin's oligarch Oleg Deripaska? Or ask why he [McCain] chose to celebrate his 70 birthday back in 2006 at a party off the coast of Montenegro hosted by convicted Italian felon Raffaello Follieri? Then there’s the gambling? (Has he declared all of his winnings on his taxes?)

With only 30 days to go until the election, this should keep the press so bus that they won't even have time to re-run Keating 5 stories or further investigate the story run several months ago in The Daily Mail about how McCain dumped his first wife. The first wife who'd faithfully waited for him while he was a POW, the one he dumped just because she'd been severely injured in a car crash and was no longer as tall and attractive as she had been? And how he then turned around and married rich Cindy while the ink was still wet on the divorce decree. What a hero?

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | October 5, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign needs to actively manage the attacks, just as it has gotten in front of the McCain campaign's decision to highlight Obama's William Ayers accusations (a tactic which the McCain campaign for some reason felt it had to discuss publicly before launching the attack).

At this point, the McCain campaign is literally run aground on the vacuousness of McCain's economic thought. It's becoming increasingly obvious that there is literally nothing there in McCain's head that resembles an economic thought aside from the most superficial ideas about cutting taxes as a form of stimulus and cutting budgets. It appears that McCain didn't anticipate any economic upheavals occurring and is incapable of articulating any coherent leadership or campaign positioning, relative to the economic crises.

All Obama has to do in the remaining weeks to win is to turn part of his campaigning into a public-awareness project about the economic challenges we face and avoid cheering over negative economic news.

But McCain is cooking his own goose with his economic incompetence and by failing to prepare for what should have been an obvious probability that there would be a wave of bank failures this year (the FDIC staffed up its bank solvency experts early this year, even, in anticipation). It's not a matter of strategy at this point but McCain's actual and substantial unfitness to preside over economic turmoil given the level of incompetence he has demonstrated.

The McCain attacks that Obama can shape, moreover, can highlight a quandry that McCain's failure to formulate an economic voice in this crisis implies: Obama's young and still developing as a politician whereas, if you turn McCain's "experience" argument on its head, McCain is fully developed. If McCain doesn't have the capacity to on-the-fly digest and coherently respond to this economic upheavals (that anyone in national office who had economic advisors could have anticipated), with 30-plus years of experience behind him and in his 70's, he's not likely to develop it.

I.e. Obama, at the start of his national political career, has more capacity to develop into an effective economic policy leader than McCain, who has not developed any economic policy leadership capacity in 30-plus years and seems to be having difficulty now with stumbling over inchoate economic postures. If McCain were only in his forties or fifties, we might expect him to grow new parts of his brain to develop new competencies, in order to develop coherent economic ideas, but McCain seems to be having trouble with that this month.

A lot of experience is only good if it implies you have a toolkit to draw on. McCain being older and experienced but still having big deficits in subject areas like economics, makes his "experience" argument seem more like a verdict that he's likely to be permanently incapable in those areas.

Unfortunately (I like Palin), it seems to me that Obama has a very good line of attack now against McCain that turns his "experience" argument on its head: this economically incoherent McCain that we see today after his 30-plus years of service and professional development is as good as McCain is gonna get in each subject area, and McCain's apparently not going to be able to handle the economic issues.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 5, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

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