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Palin: Obama 'Less Than Truthful' About Ayers Association

By Michael Abramowitz
PHOENIX --The McCain campaign is signaling this morning that it is perfectly willing to up the ante in a brawl with Barack Obama over the two candidates' past associations.

On a day when Obama hit John McCain for his past involvement in the "Keating Five" scandal, running mate Sarah Palin hit Obama even harder for his association with former Weatherman Bill Ayers, calling the Democratic nominee "less than truthful" in his statement that Ayers "was just someone in the neighborhood" they shared in Chicago, according to prepared remarks released by the campaign.

"There's even more to the story," Palin said at a campaign stop in Florida, echoing remarks she made over the weekend. "His own top adviser said they were, quote, 'certainly friendly.' In fact, Obama held one of the first meetings of his political career in Bill Ayers's home. And they've worked together on various projects in Chicago."

Although many independent journalistic accounts say Palin's version is a stretch, it was the third straight day she has brought up Ayers, and she seems unlikely to stop.

Meanwhile, the McCain campaign rolled out a new cable television ad going after Obama for a statement highlighted by Palin in last Thursday's debate with Joe Biden, calling the Illinois Democrats "dishonorable" for saying that U.S. troops in Afghanistan were "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians." The ad took out of context Obama's full statement in August, "We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there," Obama said. (The Associated Press found that as of Aug. 1, 2008, Western forces had killed more civilians than the insurgents had in 2007.)

McCain himself will be making an appearance later in the day at a rally in Albuquerque, where a senior aide said he plans to go after Obama for a gap between his rhetoric and his record, a favorite McCain theme in recent days. Aides say going negative is not the only strategy, and that they also expect McCain to talk extensively about plans to restore economic growth in the country.

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WHO IS OBAMA REALLY???????

On his European trip he made sure to visit GERMANY... a country well-known for once being ruled by ADOLF HITLER.

If BARAQ HUSSEIN OBAMA wants to turn America into ADOLF HITLER, America CAN'T AFFORD not to suspend this election while Sen. McCain PUTS COUNTRY FIRST and prosecutes him for TREASON!"

Haha, hilarious

Posted by: rebecca_barron | October 13, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm so tired of hearing this lady's mouth about any and everything. How dare she go to the American people and out right call Barack Obama or even mutter the words terrorist. The man was 8 years old when this guy was bombing buildings. McShame and Failin Palin are doing just that failing! This should be a clean Presidential Debate about the facts. I also watch McShame last night where this idiot was talking at a town meeting about his connections to Ayers and some dummy in the audience mutters he should be killed what kind of crap is this. I hope the Secret Service heard that watch the tapes back from yesterday. Let's just stick to the facts and issue of the everyday American People.

Posted by: lmyles | October 7, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

WHO IS OBAMA REALLY???????

On his European trip he made sure to visit GERMANY... a country well-known for once being ruled by ADOLF HITLER.

If BARAQ HUSSEIN OBAMA wants to turn America into ADOLF HITLER, America CAN'T AFFORD not to suspend this election while Sen. McCain PUTS COUNTRY FIRST and prosecutes him for TREASON!

Posted by: howlless | October 7, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

WHO IS OBAMA REALLY???????

On his European trip he made sure to visit GERMANY... a country well-known for once being ruled by ADOLF HITLER.

If BARAQ HUSSEIN OBAMA wants to turn America into ADOLF HITLER, America CAN'T AFFORD not to suspend this election while Sen. McCain gathers the intel necessary to prosecute him and his Democrat party for TREASON.

Posted by: howlless | October 7, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 7, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 7, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

PRESIDENT OBAMA'S CABINET SECRETARIES

Treasury Secretary- Bernie Frank
Finance Secretary- Senator Schumer
Department of Homeland Security- Ayers
White House Offical Pastor- REV. WRIGHT
SECRETARY OF STATE- L. FARAKKHAN
ECONOMIC ADVISORS- RAINES,Sen. Cris Dodd,Sen. Harry Reid, Bernie Frank

National anthem- Rap version of STAR SPANGKED BANNER by P. Diddy
I cant wait to see all of these people in action towards our Country's Prosperity,

Posted by: inmanila69 | October 7, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Hey Ripley8, and feastorafamine,
great lists but let me do a Raegun on you and dismiss all logic with a sweep of my arm. That's easier for the rabble to understand than your numerous (and fairly good set of) facts.

It's plain and simple, and past performance by the Repub administration and their buddies in Congers, show that a vote for the Repubs, is a vote to strengthen Alquida and keep from nailing Binlayden. Let me remind all that on 911 there was ONLY ONE plane allowed into the sky in ALL of these UniTED States...and that ONE was BinLaden's family plane with a bunch of binladens on boards. And it was personally authorized by the Doobya hisself. Need more be said?????

Posted by: yard80197 | October 6, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how scared Obama supporters are to truly understand the extent of his background and associations with Ayers, Rezko and others. Burying your head in the sand won't make it go away. McCain didn't make these guys up. Obama actually associated with these people...and for long lengths of time. This speaks volumes about his judgment, particularly in these dangerous times.

Posted by: gansjo | October 6, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I honestly hope the media questions the McCain/Palin "tactic" of associating Obama with "terrorists" and questioning Senator Obama's patriotism. Not simply on a factual basis as others have done (and found them to be false) but with regards to the larger issue that these personal attacks are inflamatory and inciteful. The question should be asked by our media: Are these accusations beyond the pale and a potential threat to Mr. Obama's security?

Posted by: Richard18 | October 6, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"McCain and Palin are right - Obama is not qualified to be the chief executive."

Actually, no, McCain and Palin are very rarely right. The only thing "right" about them are their right wing political stances.

"He also has questionable past associations & religious practices, his tax and spend economic theory is seriously flawed, and he has only a slight experience as a freshman senator."

Sure. And next I suppose you'll tell me that TAXING the American public and SPENDNING $10 million a month in Iraq was a secret Democratic plan forced upon Republicans. SURE. If you really want someone outside the beltway with experience in living life, who can relate to those struggling to get by and who can objectively decide what is for the best for us all, you'll vote Obama. But that would require you cutting through all this crap you're bringing and seeing the truths of this election instead of the lies you've been fed by the right-wing media (heh-heh).


"He only has all the liberal left's money and that is the only reason he is still in the game!"

Uh no. You think Democrats have MONEY? Honey, no, Democrats are working class people. Obama's contributions are mighty, but they're from individuals sending in what they can instead of just a few big-money donors pumping up his worth like with McCain. Besides, it's the Republicans that have all the money and they won't trickle it down to us. That's why they've bought McCain and are trying to sell him to America. That's the only reason HE is still in the game!


"The best of the two choices is Mccain - Vote Republican! Monty Ousley Weddell Dallas,TX"

This is only true if you make $250,000 a year or more. For EVERYONE ELSE IN AMERICA, the clear choice is Obama.

L. Pepper Smith - Austin, TX

Posted by: quacks | October 6, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The reporter, Dana Milbank, needs to be sure the secret service was notified.

The idea that somebody at a Mccain/Palin rally was openly calling to kill Obama is not a small matter and reporters need to demand answers about whether or not authorities were notified.

Was the guy even removed from the rally?

Posted by: poplicola | October 6, 2008 3:26 PM

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I got into it with some guy that was praising George Bush on ABC's message board. I said I'd like to give him one right between the eyes because of the deregulation he put in place for the coal mining industry in W. Virginia that is poisoning the water and killing people. ABC sent the Feds to my house. The guy that came told me he works 80 hours a week going from house to house checking people out that posted stuff on the net. He said he can't wait until Bush is out of there because it's driving him crazy. You don't get in trouble for saying you'd like to do something, but when you say you're going to do it then your in trouble.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 6, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin are right - Obama is not qualified to be the chief executive. He also has questionable past associations & religious practices, his tax and spend economic theory is seriously flawed, and he has only a slight experience as a freshman senator. He only has all the liberal left's money and that is the only reason he is still in the game! The best of the two choices is Mccain - Vote Republican! Monty Ousley Weddell Dallas,TX

Posted by: jhutt123 | October 6, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing how weeks before the end of the electoral campaign, the Neocons camE up with a GENIUS PLAN not to save the ountry but their bright idea is called: CHARACTER ASSASSINATION and they want to elaborate on it! How pathetic these scumbags are and how low the can go! they are worse than the Talibans!

How sickening at a time when the country is facing an economical and financial crisis, this is the best they can offer to the country more gimmicks!

I cant wait for the 4th Novmber! I do not just want to see them humiliated for the emss that they created in the first place, but I will not rest until I will see all those involved in this Neo-Con-men bleeding of the US treasury from Bush to Cheney to Perle to Rumsfeld to Karl Rove and all to be impeached and to answer for their criminal acts and to what they have done to this beautiful country!

ONLY THEN I CAN FORGET ABOUT IT ALL!

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 6, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Since the mainstream media is in the tank for Obama ... he literally can get away with anything! When the media is one sided in reporting the truth, they are worse than a witness who is convicted of perjury. A biased media paves the way for despots and dictators who rise to power. Hitler could not have risen to power without his minister of propaganda, Joseph Gobbels ... who controlled what the public saw,heard, and eventually believed. In time, a biased media can even revise history, turning young minds into automatons, who think and act in unison ... even to the point of strapping on suicide bombs. I'm in my 60's, and I've never seen such a biased media before. Our wonderful country is starting to change in very bad ways. It seems that an organized group of malcontents have infiltrated our media and our schools ... in an effort to change America beyond recognition. These arrogant fools are going to turn America into a defenseless third world country. I believe that our only hope to save America, is to reject the biased media's candidate, and elect the candidate who has always represented truth, jusice, and the American way. Elect Senator John McCain in November. God Bless America.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+youth+junior+fraternity+regiment&search_type=&aq=f

Posted by: howard521 | October 6, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

how can mcsame come up with a plan for us to keep our homes when he never lost one in his life? how can mcsame tell me that he understands what we are going throw to send our kids to college when he never had to go throw applying for student loans and things when his kids college was always paid for when the money was always there. how can mcsame come up with a plan for my health care when he and his family has always had health care you see this what i'm talking about this man ain't been throw nothing that is the reason why he went so low because he don't have no no plan and the plans that he have are for THE wealthy and i am not wealty by know MEANS... VOTEOBAMA'08 VOTEOBAMA'08 VOTEOBAMA'08 VOTEOBAMA'08

Posted by: obama1 | October 6, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

From Rolling Stone "Make Believe Maverick":

McCain was not only a lousy student, he had his father's taste for drink and a darkly misogynistic streak. The summer after his sophomore year, cruising with a friend near Arlington, McCain tried to pick up a pair of young women. When they laughed at him, he cursed them so vilely that he was hauled into court on a profanity charge.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 6, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"Come on WIDTAP, I can't stand Palin as much as the next democrat, but first, your claim that she had an affair with a 14 year old is completely unfounded. Second, Down syndrome is caused by an extra 21st chromosome and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the father's age, or a extra-marital affair, or whatever it is that you were claiming, but is rather linked to maternal age. Please stop trying to pass off developmental disabilities as a result of immoral parenting. Parents of these children deserve our support, not condemnation."

What do you mean I have no right to ask an unfounded question (and it is a question, not a claim; drill, baby, drill)? What do you mean that this attack is cheap and easy and beneath anyone honestly trying to discuss issues?

Why would such questions offend anyone other than terrorists? Are you trying to hide the truth? How do we know you are a Democrat, as you claim? You use a lower case "d", not "Democrat" as any real Democrat would use. Seems suspicious, doesn't it?

Seems to me someone just doesn't want to answer the question. *wink*

So I repeat, why doesn't govern Palin answer to who Trig's real father is? Where's the proof? Don't Americans have a right to know?

Posted by: WIDTAP | October 6, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Good to let her spew until the debate, then call 'em out.

By all reports, Bill Ayers is a good citizen and an active community member and advocate for education.

It is unfortunate that we had to result to violence to get our government's attention in the 60s. But if you happen to remember - that's the way it was, someone had to do it. There was a stupid war that needed to stop.

Samuel Adams and Paul Revere were terrorists.

Posted by: BudG024 | October 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

From Wikipedia:
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Ayers was asked in a January 2004 interview, "How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances?" He replied: "I’ve thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it’s impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don’t think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable." On September 9, 2008, journalist Jake Tapper reported on the comic strip in Bill Ayers's blog explaining the soundbite: "The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being....'When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, 'We didn't bomb enough [...].' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'"
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That is exactly how I feel about war in Iraq. I think Ms. Palin just lost elections.

Posted by: Miron1 | October 6, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama's powder is dry and in large supply. There's video of Palin in church listening and nodding to an anti-Semite preacher, there's the witchdoctor video, her praying for a pipeline let alone the Keating 5. McCain better buckle up and buckle down, there's no ejection seat on this flight!

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 6, 2008 2:04 PM

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Hey doesn't Palin speak in tongues. What is that? Ha Ba Da, Ha Ba Da, Ha Ba Da, "Your Cured." And where can I find the Video with the Witchdoctor?

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 6, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Would you dine or serve on a board with someone who bombed the pentagon, a violent felon? And then dismiss that person as just "someone who lived in the neighborhood?" Scary...

Posted by: post-toastie | October 6, 2008 2:03 PM

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Sure. Why not? Your talking about something that happened 40 years ago. Obama had nothing to do with it. The guy straightened out his life and Obama did business with the guy. So what! If he's a terrorist go lock him up. Besides, McCain's best friend Bush Bombed the Pentagon to.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 6, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

First let me say my prayers are with Joe Biden and his family during his time of mourning.

Sarah Palin really should have at least had the decency to refrain from attacking him. I mean how low do you have to be to call someone out during a WAKE! That was despicable. You have really shown your true colors to make comments against someone whilst they are bereaved. Oh Sarah you claim steadfastly to be a Christian but your words were remarkably unkind, unsympathetic, and un-Christian...and GOD was watching.

Posted by: poneal05 | October 6, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

""Why doesn't Palin answer questions about how she became pregnant with Trig by way of an affair with a 14 year old boy? Why does she refuse to answer questions about how this liaison with an underage child was the cause of the Down's syndrome that Trig now suffers?

Don't Americans have the right to ask these questions?""

Come on WIDTAP, I can't stand Palin as much as the next democrat, but first, your claim that she had an affair with a 14 year old is completely unfounded. Second, Down syndrome is caused by an extra 21st chromosome and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the father's age, or a extra-marital affair, or whatever it is that you were claiming, but is rather linked to maternal age. Please stop trying to pass off developmental disabilities as a result of immoral parenting. Parents of these children deserve our support, not condemnation.

Posted by: samsavsraid | October 6, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe I have ever seen a legitimate news story where the facts of the occurrence were critiqued from the opposite political persuasion, as a professor who might critique an essay with notes in the margins. Why not just omit the story?
McCain is not a good candidate for Republicans. Democrats might actually like what he brings to office.
Obama is not a good candidate for anybody. He is basically unfit to govern a country with a supposed free-market economy.
I don't see why it has to be anymore complicated to anyone.

Posted by: ebay2 | October 6, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

The biggest disappointment of this campaign is how telling is has become that John McCain is not the American Hero I always believed he was. He suffered when captured, and stood with his fellow prisoners risking his own demise - and was held in such high esteem for that. But I also have watched his political career for decades, and always believed that he would be an excellent choice for President - fiscally conservative, but socially progressive. Now, with his wishy-washy stands on every issue, and his obviously political, and pathetic, choice of a running mate - his is no longer worthy of the trust we must place in our leaders. He is at life expectancy, and I believe that should make him even more sensitive to the choice he makes in a VP. There IS a higher likelihood that his running mate would become the President ... and for whatever time is left of the term, we would be under the governing rule of that person. Of all the people he could have chosen, Palin had to be at the bottom of the "ready to lead" list, and so it was for political expediency that she was chosen. To 'beef up' his lagging ultra-rightwing christian vote is not a decent and honest reason to make a choice for the most powerful leader in the world. His lack of thoughtful consideration for US, the people, and what would happen to the republic in a worse-case scenario is reprehensible. He doesn't really care what happens to us -- and the reality is so disappointing!! He is no longer my hero -
and he no longer has my vote.
John McCain is not, or is no longer, the man I thought he was.

Posted by: katrinas | October 6, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse


This Palin/McCain attack has gone too far this time. Their fading hope in the polls has pushed them to desperation, and it's backfiring on them. I'm already hearing of independent/undecided voters talking about it, and deciding to vote with Obama now. As to Bill Ayers, I'd SUE Palin for slander! He's been exonerated for what he did 40 years ago, and my God, he's an college professor. By saying Senator Obama "pals around with a terrorist", is so slanderist, and it insinuates Mr. Ayers is involved in some type of ongoing terrorist activities. I'd file a lawsuit right now for slander. The McCain campaign is not only attacking Senator Obama, but Mr. Ayers also.

Posted by: dahur | October 6, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama calling on Bill Ayers to help him launch into politics was a neighborly gesture. And Obama's calling on troops to stop killing women and children in Afghanistan is an effort to help the US military's image. The target is the insurgents who are the Talibans. They should not bring the old tactics that made international headlines. If John McCain wants to destroy villages like he did in Vietnam then that is another matter!

Posted by: lmackasm | October 6, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Jerder- Attended Wright's church at "one" time. Yeah one time that spanned 20 years and covered the entire formative years of his daughter’s lives.

Obamorn is either an imbecile if he didn't understand what Wright represented or he is in complete agreement.

You don't expose your own children to that type of vitriol filled environment unless you are in complete agreement with the fundamentals of what is being said.

Regarding the issues - the dimocraps are the last ones that want to talk about the issues -

Shall we see what a GREAT job our democrat leadership has done for us since they took control of congress during the midterm?

GAS Prices 11/06 $2.22/gallon
GAS Prices September 29, 2008: $3.89/Gallon

DOW 10/06 11,900
DOW September 29, 2008: 10,365.45

NASDAQ 11/06 2,550
NASDAQ September 29, 2008: 1983.73

Consumer Price Index, 11/06 197.6
Consumer Price Index, September 29, 2008: 219

Dollar exchange with Euro Nov - 06 8.823
Dollar exchange with Euro, Sept. 29, 2008: .695
Two important foot notes here –
1) Each of these indicators was at record highs when the libs took over.
2) Note mentioned here are
a. Unemployment skyrocketing upward at the same time when it had average better than under St. Clinton
b. Foreclosures nearly tripling in the same period
c. Inflation up 20-30%

YEAH BABY THAT’S CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah folks, that's right - these ignorant clowns have virtually destroyed every segment of our financial markets single handedly so let's show how smart we are an elect one of the a-holes president.

WHO SAYS THE AVERAGE IQ IN AMERICA IS 100 -
(Well, if you factor in the avg IQ of a liberal is about 60, then it makes sense.)

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 6, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How STUPID do you think people are? The Dems took control of the House and Senate two years ago and dont have the votes to get anything done. The first 6 years of a GOP controlled House, Senate, and Executive branch and only ONE veto of a bill, the lowest in US History. How about since the 2006 election?
OOPS!
The HIGHEST VETO AMOUNT IN US HISTORY IN THE SHORTEST PERIOD OF TIME.

Your financial stats are also hilarious.
Perhaps your supply-side economics in trickling down into whatever brain cells you have left. Lets take a look at when the Dems WERE in power shall we?

Debt Reduction Relative to GDP4
The national debt is the net amount of debt held by the federal government ($3.9 trillion in 2003).5 It increased under both administrations (in today's dollars). But under Clinton the debt rose more slowly and GDP rose faster than under Bush. The result is that the ratio of debt to GDP went down an average of 3.89 percent per year during the Clinton years, but has gone up an average of 0.94 percent per year during the Bush years.

Trade Deficit Reduction Relative to GDP6
The trade deficit increased during both administrations. It increased by 0.52 percent of GDP per year under Clinton and by 0.37 percent per year under Bush.7 This is one of two indicators where economic performance under Bush appears to be better than it was during the Clinton administration. But underneath that data is a less flattering story for the Bush years. The trade deficit grew at the rate it did under Clinton for two main reasons: because the first Bush Administration's recession had cut imports to an artificially low level, and because the economy was expanding rapidly. People were confident, so they were buying a lot of imported goods. Businesses were growing, too, so U.S. factories were importing materials to manufacture their products. Throughout this period, export growth was very strong. In the Bush years, the trade deficit has been a product of a different, and less healthy dynamic: U.S. exports have dipped dramatically relative to imports.

Jobs8
One of the most important measures of economic well-being is the number of people with jobs. The number of jobs in the economy increased 2.38 percent per year under Clinton, but it has decreased 0.17 percent per year under Bush.9 While it's clear that the economic downturn in 2001 was not Bush's fault, the sluggishness of the recovery is unprecedented in the period since the federal government began issuing detailed employment reports in the 1940s. There have been 1.7 million jobs created since September 2003, which may sound like a lot, but that number falls short of the 1.8 million jobs that must be created per year just to match population growth, and it falls far below the 3.7 million jobs that the administration predicted would be created when the president signed his 2003 tax cut into law.10 This slow job growth is largely attributable to both the failure of the administration's fiscal policies (which targeted tax cuts to stimulate savings rather than spending) and the failure of its trade policies (which have done a poor job of opening foreign markets to spur export growth, and have not created the conditions for an orderly decline in the value of the dollar, which would have helped ease the trade imbalance).11

Americans with Health Insurance15
Since most working Americans with health insurance get it through work, changes in the share of Americans who have health insurance is another indication of the quality of jobs in the economy. Under the Clinton administration, the share of Americans covered by health insurance went up 0.12 percent annually. Under Bush, there has been a 0.55 percent yearly decrease. Even more striking is that 5 million more Americans were without health insurance in 2003 than in 2000 and 3.8 million fewer Americans had employment-based health insurance.16

Productivity17
Productivity measures the amount of economic output that each hour of work produces. It is an important indicator of economic performance because high rates of productivity traditionally correlate with strong growth in living standards. The most accurate measure of productivity covers non-farm businesses. During the Clinton administration non-farm business productivity grew 1.83 percent per year. During the Bush administration, it grew by an average of 3.76 percent per year. This is one of the only bright spots in a period of otherwise lackluster economic performance, and it is a measure that suggests hope for the economy in the coming years. But it is important to note that the late 1990s saw both productivity growth and job growth, producing a double benefit for the economy. During the Bush years, productivity has grown while jobs have not. Whether the nation can maintain the robust levels of productivity growth we have enjoyed since 1996 depends in large part on whether we put in place the right policies, including investments in research and development, and the skills of the workforce; promotion of the digital economy, including high-speed broadband deployment; and fiscal discipline to keep interest rates low.18

Strong Economic Growth: When President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, economic growth had averaged 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the Reagan-Bush years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.

Most New Jobs Ever Created Under a Single Administration

Unemployment at Its Lowest Level in More than 30 Years

Lowest Inflation since the 1960s

7 Million Fewer Americans Living in Poverty

Largest Surplus Ever

Largest Three-Year Debt Pay-Down Ever

Lower Federal Government Spending

The Most U.S. Exports Ever

I could go on and on and on.

Your GOP on the other hand is not to blame for our economic woes?
Deregulation ring a bell?
Supply-side economics ring a bell?
Spending through the roof and highest surplus in US history into the boggest debt in US history ring a bell?

People are just not that stupid. Your assertion that the congress without any majority could cause this financial crisis in a span of two years without any real power is down right laughable.
Think anyone will buy it?
LOL give it a go

Posted by: feastorafamine | October 6, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please! To the person who called Sarah Palin cow-faced... you have not only insulted cows, but Tina Fey as well (personally, Tina Fey would have made a better VP pick than Palin).

Let's face it... there is not a politician 0ut there who doesn't try to hide/forget about things that he or she did in the past. What really should be the focus is current issues, proposed solutions, etc. But. when you have NO idea what is going on in the real world, the simplest way to try to defeat the opposition is to lie, cheat and steal your way there, which is what the Republicans are trying to do. McCain and Palin are out of touch, and, quite honestly, I think McCain is on the verge of senility (just look at his demeanor during the first debate with Obama... muttering "horses**t" twice when he disagreed with what Obama said). Is that presidential??? Hardly!

As for Palin, she hasn't shown yet that she can tackle an unscripted interview... in her debate with Biden, she did her "gosh darndest" to steer the debate towards subjects she was comfortable with and, even in doing so, read her talking points from crib notes. It like she can't form her own original thoughts.

Why else would the Republicans work so hard to squelch the Troopergate investigation? If she had nothing to hide, then this concerted effort wouldn't be necessary... but, instead, the GOP trots out its brigade of lawyers to try to stop the investigation at any cost.

Full disclosure? Palin and McCain have no clue what that means, which says to me that pointing out other people's flaws in this vein is disingenuous and hypocritical.

Posted by: mjb5406 | October 6, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

What on earth does Palin know about the truth?

Posted by: deeppeace | October 6, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

So the Keating thing made McCain a "Maverick" not a snitch or stool pigeon or witness for the prosecution?
"Hero" for enduring less then others have endured?
Smart enough to be president by doing so well at the academy?
Such a good christian cheating on his wife with the drug addicted spoiled brat?

Posted by: jrog4593 | October 6, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ripley8, great list but let me do a Raegun on you and dismiss all logic with a sweep of my arm. It's plain and simple, and past performance by the Repub administration and there buddies in Congers, show that a vote for the Repubs, is a vote to strengthen Alquiada and keep from nailing Binlayden. Let me remind all that on 911 there was ONLY ONE plane allowed into the sky in ALL of these UniTED States...and that ONE was BinLaden's family plane with a bunch of binladens on boards. And it was personally authorized by the Doobya hisself. Need more be said?????

Posted by: yard80197 | October 6, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

This is utterly rediculous.

Obama was a mere child in the 1970's when the Weather Underground was involved in bombings.

Around that same time John McCain was undergoing extesive psychiatric treatment for PTSD and his prior suicide attempt.

The McCain peole want to make events that occurred in the 70's (and which Obama had nothing to do with) relevant and "fair game" but at the same time they refuse to provide McCain's personal psychiatriac records from that same time period on gounbds that it is ancient history and no longer relevant.

What planet are these people from?

In the mid-90's Obama and Ayers both worked for a nonprofit group that was trying to raise funds for a school improvement project and a charitable foundation. How is that a bad thing?

Posted by: rbuyan | October 6, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama's powder is dry and in large supply. There's video of Palin in church listening and nodding to an anti-Semite preacher, there's the witchdoctor video, her praying for a pipeline let alone the Keating 5. McCain better buckle up and buckle down, there's no ejection seat on this flight!

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 6, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Here's little Miss. Palin hang'n with her Biker Friends. I wonder if she has a Meth Lab set up in them there hills. All-Laska is the meth capital of the country Ya know. http://megasizzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/palinbikers.bmp

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 6, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Would you dine or serve on a board with someone who bombed the pentagon, a violent felon? And then dismiss that person as just "someone who lived in the neighborhood?" Scary...

Posted by: post-toastie | October 6, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

No mention of the Palins' anti-American political connections? Sarah's worked with the Alaska Independence Party for many years, with her husband as a registered member and herself as an "operative" posing as a Republican to infiltrate government. I'm not making this stuff up; you can listen to their Vice Chairman spell it out on video:

"Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected... to get along and go along — she eventually joined the Republican Party"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NK2sFJebGc

Their party's anti-American founder said things like "The fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government", and was killed in a "deal gone bad" trying to buy plastic explosives...

Palin's opinion? "Keep up the good work!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Can we really afford to have someone with these hateful ties in the second most powerful position in the country?

Posted by: argh2 | October 6, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin ignores McCain's connection to Ayres. Ayres founded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school-improvement project, of which Arnold Weber, a contributor to McCain's campaign and the Republican Party, was a board member and active participant.

Of course, this is as irrelevant as Obama's occasional interactions with Ayres. Ayres long ago rejected and apologized for his violent past. Time to get off the playground and into grown-up life, Sarah. Obama's name might sound foreign to you, but it doesn't make him a terrorist.

Posted by: asher67 | October 6, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

He who wasn't a Liberal before the age of 30 has no heart. He who is still a Liberal after the age of 30 has no brain.

This poster's corollary:
He who's still a Republican after the age of 50 has neither.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 6, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm for Obama but careful what you say about G. gordon Liddy. He was the Best of the Worst.

How many men will hold their hand over a candle flame till it burns to prove self control?

The man was a genius in his own right. Sure a bit mis-guided, but fascinating none the less.

And if nothing else, he portrayed a mysterious gun runner episodes of Miami Vice.

G. Gordon was a man's man. Besides being a convicted felon!

Posted by: patrick10 | October 6, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Say it ain't so, Sarah! There you go again pointing backwards again. Now doggone it, let's look ahead and tell Americans what we have to plan to do for them in the future.

Posted by: quacks | October 6, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

This from a Woman who was hiding her own daughters pregnancy so that she can benefit from it. This from a Woman who's I.Q. level is non-existing.

Come on GOP... we can see through your hypocrisy. Palin is not qualified to run a Denny's.

Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 6, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin have enough skeletons in their closets to open up a Halloween store. If they want to bring out flimsy, old accusations such as guilt by association (Ayers, Wright, Rezko)that's fine, but they shouldn't complain when the Keating 5, adulterous relationships, current Alaskan scandals, Rolling Stone article now out about McCain's amazing history, etc. will come flying back in their faces. But at a time of dire national need, the fact that they are bringing up flimsy nonsense illustrates how removed Palin and McCain are from our country's people and the needs of our time.

Posted by: Eugene6 | October 6, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Palin is an idiot.
Enough said.

Posted by: rebecca_barron | October 6, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

As a former Republican, I can't wait until this election is over! McCain has become such an embarrassment to us former Republicans -- yes, former Republicans who supported the GOP for many years only to have to put up with this unethical, dishonest, and opportunistic guy! We never thought he would play such dirty politics!

But why should we have expected anything better from him? After his first wife stayed faithful and loyal to him during his time in a POW camp, his reward to her was to cheat on her and divorce her while she was extremely ill. As Ross Perot said many years ago about another candidate, "If his wife can't trust him, how can we?"

In any event, one thing is for sure. McCain's evil plans are not going to get him elected.

Posted by: Formerrepublican | October 6, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Bizarre words from someone who not only associates with but MARRIED a secessionist.

Posted by: Jazzgasm | October 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Why does she refuse to answer questions about how this liaison with an underage child was the cause of the Down's syndrome that Trig now suffers?

Don't Americans have the right to ask these questions?

Dude if you are going to be that ridiculous you need to re-register as a Republican supporter. They can use people with your intellect.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

What about McCain's relationship/association with Bob Asher? Asher is the convicted felon and RNC Member who chairs his campaign in Pennsylvania. So are we to assume McCain also supports bribery, graft, extortion etc?

Posted by: drandykur | October 6, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

tinyjab40

What do you mean "McCAin/PAlin...start caring for us, ordinary people".
If they suddenly reversed course and "started" caring for the ordinary people tomorrow, you'd be willing to consider their candidacy seriously?
Silly!

Posted by: VMR1 | October 6, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I hope Sarah Palin is enjoying her fifteen minutes of fame before she crawls back into obscurity in the Alaskan wilderness. It says a lot about America that we'd even entertain the notion of this know-nothing fool as President. Shame on all of us.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | October 6, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Who will save us from the Wall Street meltdown?!! Super Magoo will have to suspend his lying tour, change into his super hero tights, and rush to Wall Street with his side-kick Moose Woman and save us from neocon greed! Hey, wait a minute. He gets his mysterious powers from the planet Neocon. Can Neocon cast out neocon?

I guess voting for Obama is our best option.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

This from a Woman who was hiding her own daughters pregnancy so that she can benefit from it. This from a Woman who's I.Q. level is non-existing.

Come on GOP... we can see through your hypocrisy.

Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Palin is like that annoying kid following you around in the playground calling you names until you turn around and beat them up!

Posted by: jrog4593 | October 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If Guilt by association is the game:

McCain has ties to Gordon Liddy, convicted in Water Gate scandal who admitted plotting to murder. Liddy calls him his friend. McCain appeared recently on his radio show and said he admired his (Liddy's) principles. Liddy was shown to be a dangerous nut case during the Watergate trials and spent over four years in prison.

McCain had a long relationship with the late Jim Hensley, twice convicted felon with ties to the mob, -- his father-in-law.

Sarah McCain has ties to the Alaskan Independence Party whose goal it is to succeed from the United States? Her husband was a member for two years and she attended their convention....certainly a closer relationship than Obama's to Ayers.

So what if Obama had dinner with Ayers onced a week which he did not.. That doesn't make Obama a terrorist or sympathetic to terrorist any more than John McCain's association with his father-in-law makes him sympathetic to organized crime.

Ayers is today a respected educator and a professor at the Universirity of Chicago who is active in trying to improve public education.

Jim Hensley who got his start in the beer business through some shady dealing and did spend time in prison on a felony charge became a respected philanthropist.

Gordon Liddy has not changed his tune and is still a dangerouls nut case.


Posted by: eldora | October 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if the corporate controlled MSM called out Palin for what she is, a fricking liar. That way the brainwashed myopic morons, hypocrites and faux christians who call themselves republicans just might shut up, no chance of either happening.

Posted by: timebanded | October 6, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

SHOULDN'T PALIN BE IN ALASKA ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT TROOPER GATE IF SHE REALLY CARES ABOUT THE TRUTH?

IS THERE ANYONE STILL TAKING HER SERIOUSLY OUT THERE? PALIN IS A BIG JOKE!

Posted by: luckdress | October 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Economy is circling the drain and Palin wants to talk about Bill Ayers???

Well, I guess if you want to talk about him go ahead. Would probably look better for the voters if you concerned yourself with real problems and what your real solutions might be.

But if you want to stand out there in left field and rattle on about these odd concerns, you go girl!!

And gosh darn it, it's been fun knowing ya'.

Posted by: patrick10 | October 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

It's the ECONOMY STUPID !

Or haven't you read the papers ?

Or turned on the TV ?

You gimmick pudunk twit.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

This from a Woman who was hiding her own daughters pregnancy so that she can benefit from it. This from a Woman who's I.Q. level is non-existing.

Come on GOP... we can see through your hypocrisy.

Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

That was a damn fine piece, if utterly sickening, about John Sidney McCain III in Rolling Stone. Thanks, kentaylor1. It would appear McCain hasn't changed a bit since he held his breath until he passed out to get what he wanted as a child. No matter what your point of view, the piece is worth perusing, "my friends."

Posted by: Inkfingers | October 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

bcamp, you seem ready to use vitriol and name-calling when it suits your purposes. You attempt at laying the blame for our current economic crises at the feet of the democratically controlled congress is laughable. Every time a change was attempted to bring relief to the middle class or try to re-establish some regulatory oversight, the republican minority blocked them. If some measure was passed by the demos in house and senate, John's pal George W was busy with his veto pen.

Sorry, dude, not buying it.

Posted by: jbartlett1 | October 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Cutesy, isnt going to win the White House. Instead of talking about THE COLLAPSE OF WALL STREET and my Retirement funds, she is talking about this AYERS person. Unbelieveable, the more they keep her out there, the Bluer the Red States become. For Instance, VIRGINIA AS OF 15 MINUTES AGO!

Posted by: latinovoter | October 6, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This from a Woman who was hiding her own daughters pregnancy so that she can benefit from it. This from a Woman who's I.Q. level is non-existing.

Come on GOP... we can see through your hypocrisy.

Posted by: fzelaya1 | October 6, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey John McCain... becareful about throwing stones. Keating is only the half of it. Take it from someone from Arizona, we've seen a lot of what McCain can be.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-08-07/news/postmodern-mccain-the-john-mccain-some-arizonans-know-and-loathe/

Posted by: tgolamb | October 6, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain and Mrs. Palin are losting the election. They are taking a lower road than they did before with lies and dirty tricks, with spin, spit, and spoil.

This is because they have nothing substantive to say about the issues and crises that face us now. McCain is not a leader. He is a cow wallowing in the mud.

Hey! IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!! And I'm losing my 401K right before my eyes. Mr. McCain and Mrs. Palin are so self-absorbed and out to lunch. They don't get it.

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 6, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Palin answer questions about how she became pregnant with Trig by way of an affair with a 14 year old boy? Why does she refuse to answer questions about how this liaison with an underage child was the cause of the Down's syndrome that Trig now suffers?

Don't Americans have the right to ask these questions?

Posted by: WIDTAP | October 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

And what is Palin less truthful about? Everything!

Sarah Palin began building clout in her state's political circles in part by serving as a director of an independent political group organized by the now embattled Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens. She also was a member of the Alaskan Indepedence party as was her husband. What about her abuse of power in Troopergate? When will she answer to that?

This video says it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF9cqpk2sWY

Posted by: abel1010 | October 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Yup, that's right. We mavericky people are gonna keep talkin' 'bout nonsense in our mavericky way 'cuz we got nothin' else to offer.

You betcha!

*wink*

Posted by: neon_bunny | October 6, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Palin is Bush In a Skirt.

She's a dangerous simpleton. If she acts this way now, just imagine if she were in he whitehouse.

vote smart!

Posted by: Frita | October 6, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The last time I looked, the stock market was down over 500 points today. 150,000 people lost their jobs last month and three quarters lost their jobs in the last nine months. What do the McCain-Palin smears do to help those people? I read in the Wall Street Journal today that McCain plans to pay for his health care plan "with major reductions to Medicare and Medicaid," over 1.3 trillion in reductions in the next ten years. That should please retirees. People are hurting. They have lost jobs, pensions, homes, health care, retirement funds and are paying the highest inflation in 27 years. And all McCain-Palin can do is attack Barack Obama. The neocon base may cheeer, but believe me, we aren't cheering out here. We want the nastiness to stop. John McCain and Sarah Palin, start caring the ordinary everyday middle class people who are really hurting. Talk about what you are going to do for us.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | October 6, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Less than truthful...yup, that's Palin! Can we say Troopergate? How about how she hacked the computer of the past Mayor of Wassala when he was in office to try to find dirt on him? Can we say abuse of power?

Palin is now and always has been nothing but granola, flakes and nuts. Because of her I will NOT even consider NcCain for Prez. VOTE OBAMA!

Posted by: rrowleyarizona | October 6, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

See Actor Jon Voight, Go nuts on Obama. Assuses him of all kinds of stuff. He was on fox last night, He went into a rant http://www.huckabeeshow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

See Actor Jon Voight, Go nuts on Obama. Assuses him of all kinds of stuff. He was on fox last night, He went into a rant http://www.huckabeeshow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Think you know John McCain

Watch the video and read the 10 page article.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: kentaylor1 | October 6, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Independent4tw writes
"So Palin is claiming the prison system doesn't work"
======================
Beep, beep, beep, Reality to Independent4tw - why not save yourself some humiliation and just read the comics instead of writing them here for all to read-

No Palin isn't claiming it mo; REALITY is claiming it. The recidivism rate is like 70% so the prison system must be flawless right? HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!

Yeah; I’m just waiting for you to say “out of all those nice guys who go to jail, 90% them are innocent to begin with”. The other 10% got caught up in drugs and poverty and they had no choice but to blow that clerks brains out”.

The entire criminal justice system is made up of liberal attorneys and liberal judges whose ability to see reality is apparently no better than yours. That’s why everyone (except geniuses like you) hates lawyers and thinks the criminal justice system in this country sucks.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 6, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't it scare anyone that this woman, who only received her passport a little over a year ago, has only been out of the country once, with a only a degree in journalism (for which she denigrates the journalists she deals with), who cannot name a single newspaper that she reads, will be one step away from pushing the nuclear button. I want a soccer mom to babysit my kids, but not to run my country.

Posted by: baycat571 | October 6, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Seems the results are in, the most electable republican ticket would be Huckabee/Palin, not McCain/Palin this is according to a new poll at watchdebate.com nearly 4 to 1 people would preffer Huckabee/Palin over McCain/Palin. Ha The RNC got it way wrong this time.
http://www.mccanes.com/watchdebatevp.html

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The DOW is looking dire. Them Injuns are awful quiet.

The clouds are gathering for the Republicans and they are circling the wagons and shouting insults and whooping to give themselves courage.

Let's remember the words to one of those old TV Westerns:
" ... Maverick is his name
Riding the trail to who knows where
Luck is his companion,
Gamb'lin is his game."

Was that Bret? Bart? or John Maverick?
One of the clan.

Sending out a big huggy-polar-bear-howdy to Rick Mav Rick, wherever you are
Chris Brown in Hamburg


Posted by: chrisbrown1 | October 6, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, that should have been "Desperation brings defiance!" (coming to a theatre near you)

On the topic, I don't believe that Obama is being honest or regretful about William Ayers. He's doing just what a politician would do. "Condemn the acts" but not the unrepented terrorist himself?!

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 6, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Independent4tw
Writes
"Big deal, Ayers was a radical, so was every other young adult during that time. He is now a grown adult, and he is a completely different person."
=======================================
Can liberals try to have a discourse that isn't filled with distortions and misrepresentations?

1) Not EVERY young adult was a radical some actually served their countries.
2) Even 99% of the radicals didn't blow up government offices which Ayers group did.
3) As recently as 2001 he said he had no regrets as to what he did - so I would hardly say he is different; just living off the government he hates spewing his crap to young people who are naive enough to believe him because he has professor in front of his name.

So I am assuming if you were around at that time you were a radical and blew up buildings - if you did you are in the same boat as Ayers so we should consider the source. If you didn't, you refute your own argument.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 6, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Palin should be careful where she treads -

“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government… And I won’t be buried under their damn flag,” - Joe Vogler in 1991, Founder of the Alaska Independence Party

Seems Palin has pals she joined with her 'dude' -

* This year, she welcomed the convention with an official video intro. She did so in 2006 as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmt0rLtgmK0
* In 1996, she attended their convention.
* In 1994 she attended, well before she was required to.
* And for seven years, her husband Todd was a registered member.

The motto for the group is “Alaska First. Alaska Always.” Now listen carefully to this. Vogler, founder of the party which McCain’s choice courted regularly, was murdered in 1993 during “a plastic explosives sale gone bad.”

Radical, extremist, domestic terror group.

McCain’s choice.

John McCain had six months to choose a vice president. That’s more time than any nominee in history. He decided that Sarah Palin was the best America had to offer. Will he use the same thought process to appoint his cabinet and federal judges? Is he ready to lead?

__

not to forget -

Palin’s name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the “Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.,” a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. The group was designed to serve as a political boot camp for Republican women in the state. She served as one of three directors until June 2005, when her name was replaced on state filings.

Palin’s relationship with Alaska’s senior senator may be one of the more complicated aspects of her new position as Sen. John McCain’s running mate; Stevens was indicted in July 2008 on seven counts of corruption.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
That is the question Sarah Palin needs to ask if she found herself working on an important project with a reformed sinner. Didn't Jesus welcome sinners? Didn't he greet them with open arms?

I thought Sarah Palin was a good Christian who believed in Jesus. I saw a video where her pastor in Walisa cleansed her of evil spirits. She needs to back and do it again because it is evident that IT DIDN'T TAKE!

Posted by: GSquare | October 6, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

That Stupid Palin Wants Wright In Play!!!
by slinkerwink
Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 05:27:41 AM PDT
If that stupid cow-faced monster wants Reverend Wright to be in play, then let's bring her dear Pastor Muthee back into the mix, and her scurrilous associations with Jews For Jesus. Here's her stupid quote here:

"Those were appalling things that that pastor had said about our great country, and to have sat in the pews for 20 years and listened to that — with, I don’t know, a sense of condoning it, I guess, because he didn’t get up and leave — to me, that does say something about character. But, you know, I guess that would be a John McCain call on whether he wants to bring that up."
slinkerwink's diary :: ::
It's clearly John McCain's call because he's bringing all these negative attacks through Sarah Palin. This is their new media strategy--having the media cover all of the outrageous things that she says. That way it gets out past the filter into the mainstream discussion around the water cooler and whatnot.

They're going full-negative today, starting with this disgusting TV ad attacking Obama's words about our troops in Afghanistan and twisting them out of context:

ANNCR: Who is Barack Obama? He says our troops in Afghanistan are

BARACK OBAMA: "... just air-raiding villages and killing civilians."

ANNCR: How dishonorable.

Congressional liberals voted repeatedly to cut off funding to our active troops.

Increasing the risk on their lives.

How dangerous.

Obama and Congressional liberals.

Too risky for America.

JOHN MCCAIN: I’m John McCain and I approved this message.
Well, f*ck you very much, John McCain. I just DONATED ONE HUNDRED BUCKS to Barack Obama because of your stupid television ad! Let's make today a huge MONEYBOMB DAY for Barack Obama. If you feel angry and really pissed off every time that dumb cow opens her mouth, please DONATE to the Obama campaign so we can have ads hitting them back!

Let's make her regret she ever opened her fat mouth.

!!

Posted by: oadek | October 6, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Less than truthful? Does Palin now want to talk about truth? Both Palin and McCain have problem with truth. Of all people it shouldn't be Sarah Palin who should demand truth. We demand truth from Palin.

Posted by: thisworld | October 6, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Last month, 159,000 Americans jobs were lost and the Dow plunged 500+ today. It's no surprise that the top priority for a majority of voters is the economy.

But the McCain campaign doesn't share those concerns, admitting yesterday that "There's no question we want to change the subject here," and that they're "looking forward to turning the page on the financial crisis."

McCain has laid his cards on the table. And to everyone tired of the politics of past, this latest announcement is as disheartening as it is disturbing.

Posted by: JJames081 | October 6, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

how much was gas when Clinton was president ?

in 2000 ? about .99 cents on average here in Michigan.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

ive been wrong about backing mccain i think both obama and mccain are unfit to run this country the bail out is a joke wall street is falling and its to late to fix the dems wile trying to pin something on bush for 8 years did not pay attention to anything else. the congress was asleep at the wheel bottom line our goverment put us here who ever wins had better deliver there will be no second term because there will not be a usa left to rule

Posted by: getsix1 | October 6, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

This is what one gets with a VP candidate so completely out of her depth on the issues.

Palin sounds like some girl in middle school.

Posted by: TomJx | October 6, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Bcamp55 - try this on

fyi -

first - jobs created under Clinton vs. Bush graph -
http://majorityleader.house.gov/docUploads/JobsCreatedClintonvsBush.pdf

from another post- anyone can do the math if they disagree.

I took the BEA annual data and categorized it by President, then took the average of year-over-year growth (in the annual column) during the term of that President.

Here are the results:
GDP Growth by President
-9.35% Hoover (1930-1932 only)
6.25% Roosevelt (1933-1940)
15.04% Roosevelt (1941-1944)
1.38% Truman (1945-1952)
2.95% Eisenhower
4.25% Kennedy
5.22% Johnson
2.86% Nixon
2.57% Ford
3.28% Carter
3.42% Reagan
2.14% Bush 41
3.71% Clinton
2.37% Bush 43 (2001-2007 only)

Just for fun, I calculated cumulative average values for Republican and Democratic Presidents.
Guess what? It isn’t just Reagan, Republicans in aggregate suck too:

All years: (1929-Present)
Republican 1.00%
Democratic 5.59%

Post-war (1949-Present)
Republican 2.72%
Democratic 4.95%

Adams put the analysis together in response to an assertion that Obama’s policies would be a repeat of “failed 70’s liberal/socialist experiments”.

The conclusion I reach is that Republican Presidents have been
only about half as good for the country as Democrats, and that the best performing Republican over the last 80 years would only rate better than only two of the 7 Democrats serving during that period. If you consider data from 1949 on, Reagan is better than only Carter (and not by much).


Posted by: ripley8 | October 6, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Bcamp55,

Typical Bcamm55 commenting again. Blah blah blah, smear Obama.

Note the absence of real facts.

So the republicans start a house on fire, then insure that it is well lit, then they sign the house over to the democrats and blame them for burning it down.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Jerder- Attended Wright's church at "one" time. Yeah one time that spanned 20 years and covered the entire formative years of his daughter’s lives.

Obamorn is either an imbecile if he didn't understand what Wright represented or he is in complete agreement.

You don't expose your own children to that type of vitriol filled environment unless you are in complete agreement with the fundamentals of what is being said.

Regarding the issues - the dimocraps are the last ones that want to talk about the issues -

Shall we see what a GREAT job our democrat leadership has done for us since they took control of congress during the midterm?

GAS Prices 11/06 $2.22/gallon
GAS Prices September 29, 2008: $3.89/Gallon

DOW 10/06 11,900
DOW September 29, 2008: 10,365.45

NASDAQ 11/06 2,550
NASDAQ September 29, 2008: 1983.73

Consumer Price Index, 11/06 197.6
Consumer Price Index, September 29, 2008: 219

Dollar exchange with Euro Nov - 06 8.823
Dollar exchange with Euro, Sept. 29, 2008: .695
Two important foot notes here –
1) Each of these indicators was at record highs when the libs took over.
2) Note mentioned here are
a. Unemployment skyrocketing upward at the same time when it had average better than under St. Clinton
b. Foreclosures nearly tripling in the same period
c. Inflation up 20-30%

YEAH BABY THAT’S CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah folks, that's right - these ignorant clowns have virtually destroyed every segment of our financial markets single handedly so let's show how smart we are an elect one of the a-holes president.

WHO SAYS THE AVERAGE IQ IN AMERICA IS 100 -
(Well, if you factor in the avg IQ of a liberal is about 60, then it makes sense.)

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 6, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Something came to me about Sarah Palin. I thought that she reminded me of someone in a movie and I finally figured it out: The mother in the old Manchurian Candidate movie played by Angela Lansbury.

Posted by: bw1951 | October 6, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

It's not only Charles Keating that McCain has ties to, he is linked to the notorious Mafia Don, Joe "Bananas" Bonanno. Remember him? He was one of the models for the movie character "The Godfather" and was linked to countless murders and other crimes as the head of a famous Mafia family in NYC.

Bonanno relocated to Tucson, Arizona. John McCain was invited to Bonanno's 90th birthday party. McCain didn't attend the party, but sent Bonanno his best wishes via RSVP. Now what exactly did McCain DO to get invited to a notorious Mafia Don's birthday bash?

Well, maybe we should delve into that relationship as long as we are slinging "guilt by association" mud around so freely.

McCain has a LOT of shady ties.

And don't even get me STARTED on Palin!

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 6, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Truth or rumor?

McCain had close contacts with North Vietnamese intelligence agents during the war.

Posted by: thezinger | October 6, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Truth or rumor?

McCain had close contacts with North Vietnamese intelligence agents during the war.

Posted by: thezinger | October 6, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

THIS JUST IN! Obama hires McCain Ad Man! First Ad:

Low voiceover guy:

John McCain-how much do you THINK you know about this man?

Did you know, for instance, that he "pals around" with communists? In fact, he stayed for years as a guest of the North Koreans! He even ate their food! Dispicable! McCain-Loves North Korea-Hates America!

Posted by: whereareweandwhatarewedoinginthishandbasket | October 6, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin is in danger of being indigted herself related to the "Troopegate". I would be real careful if I was her.

Or maybe she is thinking 2012 already. After all, it's pretty much over now. Rumor says, McCain is going to demonstrate that he is the ultimate maverick ... and vote Obama.

Posted by: FLvoter1 | October 6, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

So is Palin trying to say that the American prison system doesn't work?

Are we supposed to hate all criminals, even after they serve their time for the crime they commited?

Big deal, Ayers was a radical, so was every other young adult during that time. He is now a grown adult, and he is a completely different person.

But the idea is to try to make people afraid of Obama. Only stupid people will far for this, and most of them already have.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

...So, 40 year old history is now news....The Vietnam War as a travesty in this nation back then, so when the RNC/GOP lie machine are unable to talk about the real problems that need to be discussed, economy, health care, war, unemployment, aids, they come up with this crapola....

peeeuuu Palin should keep her idiotic and repetitive mouth shut...with her Caribou Barbie pull string in her back....

What about news from just 2 weeks ago....

Katie: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part as your foreign policy experience, what do you mean by that?

Sarah: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side... the land... uhh boundary... that we have with uhhh Canada. It it it's fff-funny that a comment like that was uh kind of made to...... uhh... character.......uhh......I don't know.....you know.......reporters...

Katie: Mocked?

Sarah: Yeah, mocked. I guess that's the word. Yeah. umm....

Katie: Well, explain to why that enhances your foreign policy credentials?

Sarah: Well, it certainly does. Because our......our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They are in the state that I am the executive of.

Katie: Have you ever been in an negotiations for example with the Russians

Sarah: We have trade missions back and forth we... we... It's very important when you even consider nation security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and and uh comes into the a a a air space of the United States of America wh wh where do they go? It's Alaska, it's just right over the border. It it is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that.... an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there they are right next to umm our state.

....What about the Keating five in 1988 20-year-old story when McCaint was 52...

The story may be old, but it's recently become surprisingly relevant to current events -- we are, after all, talking about a scandal involving major bank failures, financial fraud and greed, and political ineptitude.

There is history repeating itself 20 years later....

McCaint is running with a message about his ability to "reform" both DC and Wall Street record.

I agree with Jack Cafferty at CNN and his take on that CBS Interview...

Watch that report @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

McCaint is no hero...but peeeuuu Palin is a hero sandwich...full of old baloney
.......and a witch doctor in her closet

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 6, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The neocons are in disarray! they havent got a clue how to stop the march of the democrats under a visionnary who from the beginning of his campaign set a clear trategy with a clear vision whose goals are to strengthen th einterests of the middle and working classes not just the top 1% of the nation!

Now I understand why the neocons are going dirty because they have nothing to constructive to offer and their only strategy that they master is based on fear, hate, arrogance, doing the same wrong things time after time without apologising and above all they have no repsect for their fellow American patriots who stand on their path to nowhere!

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 6, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Distraction, distortion, desperation, despair. McCain promised a 'civil discourse' and an honorable campaign. When the going get's tough, he panics and reverts to same old Republican mudslinging and personal attacks. America is going down the tubes because of failed Republican poloicies and ideology and what's McCains response??? Fear, Hate and Division ....that's all they've got.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 6, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

What brazen hypocrisy! These Republicans have no shame. They seem to be digging their own graves in pig droppings.

Posted by: AryeDirect | October 6, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

It is fairly obvious that McCain/Palin have no more intent to actually speak to the issues that matter to the country in a very difficult time. They intend to trivialize their campaign even further, if that is possible, with more Rove-style smears. I used to respect John McCain, but the "maverick" is nothing more than another political hack who will literally do ANYTHING to get elected.

Posted by: tdub55 | October 6, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

@MarkInAustin, you state "Bring on Charles Keating, about whom McCain has been truthful and regretful, dedicating his career to campaign finance reform."

Barack Obama has done the exact same thing, publically, and he was not even involved in any investigations, as weas John MCCain.

Why do you not put McCain up to the same standards or accept Obams regrets and denouncement as you accept McCains?

Proof of the GOP double-standard and hypocrisy....and ignorance of the facst that this was resolved months ago.

Pay attention.

Posted by: King3 | October 6, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"I love to turn some posts against the idiots that wrote them"

That is because, unless the GOP sends you a talking point, you can not come up with any opinions.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The democratic candidates of the past few years have lacked the killer instinct. The Ayers thing is ridiculous - some idiot who decades ago had some ridiculous ideas in his head is not a terrorist today in a large meaning of the word. The Keating 5 thing is ages ago - McCain has probably learning from it, it is also ridiculous. However, the gloves have come off, its time to eviscerate the enemy and time and time again the democrats stand there while they get pummeled. Hopefully Obama has learned from the past and will fight back. Frankly its a good quality to have in a candidate - a sense of when to go on the offensive (in both meanings of the term).

Posted by: tweldy | October 6, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Both Palin and McCain are obviously getting desperate. The American people don't by their policy proposals, which are by and larged the failed policies of the Bush administration. So they turn to character assassination. If I even thought that McCain was any good (and I previously liked him), I no longer want this old, unstable "Marverick" leading our country. And I certainly don't want Palin.

Obama is a man who knows by experience what it's like to be poor. He worked his way up from virtually nothing. He combines the perspective of being both black AND white (though he's considered black). I think he will fight hard to restore our economy and regain the respect of the world for the United States, which is still the greatest nation on earth despite the extent to which the Bush adminstration has wrecked it.

If you want health insurance, a decent job, fair treatment, and a country that maintains its strength without getting into war after war around the world, vote for Obama. If you are so rich you don't know what to do with your money but you sto;; want the government to take money from the low paid workers and give it to you, then McCain/Palin is your ticket.

Posted by: saberman1 | October 6, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Desperation brings definance!"

Sure thing Mark. Sounds just like something Palin would say because it's grammatically incorrect and makes absolutely no sense. Keep up the good work, Sarah would be proud.

Posted by: bretb | October 6, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

jerder, do you honestly believe that Obama did not know what his pastor's sermons were about, even the ones he listened to for 20 years?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 6, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately for McCain, Palin let the genie out of the bottle. At noon, the Obama campaign will release the documentary on the Keating 5 and I hope McCain is buckled up because if he thinks he's down in the polls now, he ain't seen nothing yet. After that will be the video of Palin in church listening to an anti-Israel screed and nodding her head. Then will come the associations with the Alaska separtist group that she addressed and after that, the witchdoctor video. Obama's powder is dry and ample. McCain/Palin are going down!

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 6, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Once again Governor Sarah Palin reveals that she doesn't mind putting her conservative Christian values on the back burner by using Reverand Wright and Obama's having attended his church at one time to continue defaming the character and values of Senator Obama
by stating, "I don't know why that association isn't discussed more, because those were appalling things that that pastor had said about our great country," and, "To me, that does say something about character. But, you know, I guess that would be a John McCain call on whether he wants to bring that up."

Of course, VP contender Palin, managed to neglect to tell the American public that the Democratic candidate denounced Wright and severed ties with the church last spring after videotapes surfaced showing Wright making anti-American and anti-Semitic comments from the pulpit.

So now we judge a man by what a pastor says? It is not like Obama knew what was in the videotapes or wrote the pastor's sermons. If our character were determined by 'guilt by association', millions of Americans (including Ms. Palin) would be in serious trouble. Senator Obama made it very clear, publically, that he did not sanction and was appalled by statements made by the Reverend Wright and severed his affiliation with the church.

And yes, I do know the Obama campaign linked Senator McCain to the Keating Five, however that was more of a political attack, which is to be expected by both candidates, and not nearly on the level of trashing someones character. Once again, Ms. Palin needs to think like a 'mother', and how her remarks could negatively impact the Obama children, especially in lieu of how she talks about the importance of family. John McCain himself had asked the republican party to take down an earlier ad related to Obama and Wright, saying, "I'm making it very clear, as I have a couple of times in the past, that there's no place for that kind of campaigning, and the American people don't want it." Senator McCain needs to remind his VP running mate that she is supposed to support him and his political views and that many voters, like myself, do look at the VP candidate when thinking about the next four or eight years since there is always a chance she could have to run the country if something happens to Senator McCain. And I do not like what I see.

Posted by: jerder | October 6, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Desperation brings definance! It's about time McCain and Palin took off the gloves. Reverend Wright is next. Bring it on!

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 6, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Palin should be REAL careful talking about ANYBODY being less than truthfull with all the LESS THAN TRUTHFUL issues raising from her performance as the Wasilla mayor, and as GOv. Between a 22 million debt left as mayor for pushing thru a sports complex that was being built on land that was not free and clear, and the additional $150M to fix that, and the trooper gate, cook reassigned but still cooking, charging per diems for her home because she did not want to travel to the state capital, etc.
It is sad that Palin's lack of "national readiness" is allowing this campaign to turn nasty. She has shown herself to be nasty in Alaska, and now we are seeing it in the US. Its time for McCain to admit, he made a wrong choice in VP, and while she is a cheerleader and gutsy person, she is not ready for the national stage. It is alarming to even think of something happening to McCain and her being President. Hopefully, she will remember the same Bible that covers lifestyle includes a passage on telling the "truth." Is this trully a "Christian" or just someone throwing "red meat" to people with issues - "he doesn't look like us." "He's not one of us!" God will judge her!

Posted by: HarrietA | October 6, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Its over for the McCain camp and quite possibly for the political future of Sarah Palin. Palin is allowing post-Bush and Rove operatives to fill her head and talking points with stuff in which in vigor the conservative Republican die-hards but will turn-off Independents and conservative-Democrats.


Palin is talking about Ayers and Wright while America has lost over 750,000 jobs year-to-date and the stock market has lost nearly $2 trillion in value over the past year. Both Obama and Biden need to up the ante about McCain being erratic and out-of-touch when it comes to the economy, health care, and education.

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 6, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

It's desperation time for the Palin/McCain ticket. And yes, that's what it has become, Palin AND McCain How scary is that? When you have nothing to offer the country then it's time to break out the personal attacks. The old Karl Rove strategy of fear, fear, and more fear won't work this time. We DON'T need the Republicans to "keep us safe". We'll be just fine without you. The party is almost over folks, it will soon be time for Palin to head back to do whatever she does in Alaska and for McCain to try and pick up whatever pieces are left of his dignity. ENOUGH!

Posted by: bretb | October 6, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

We have entered a dangerous time in this campaign. The McCain camp has chosen to go one step lower, employing the Dark Arts to achieve fame. The use of the Dark Arts never produces positive results. Even when we win, we lose. ..............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-the-dark-arts-of-rovian-politics/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 6, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

palin doesnt even realize the box she has open... the far right wing republicans i feel sorry for you.. you all have offically lost this election. none of this talk will bring over independent voters unless they were intially republicans from the beginning. palin is a cold-hearted individual SHE INVOKED BIDEN IN HER SPEECH TODAY AND IT WAS NEGATIVE KNOWING THAT BIDEN FAMILY IS IN MORNING DUE TO THE DEATH OF HIS MOTHER-IN LAW! GOD IS WATCHING ......AND THATS ALL I AM GOING TO SAY!!!!!

Posted by: rinny_1983 | October 6, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Remember, GW and Dick Cheney are "mavericks"

Posted by: JRM2 | October 6, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

They're desperate, but Americans are sick of the 60s.

For the last sixteen years, we have had to live with the realized culmination of the 60s cultural wars. First with the hippie proxy Clintons and now, still, endlessly, with their countercultural opposite, the establishment frat boy Bush. It hasn’t been pleasant. And, as a result, America has never, in my lifetime (how about yours?), been in so dire a position as it is today.

In short, that generation has failed.

Which is why, with the candidacy (and likely presidency) of Barack Obama, we may finally see the death of 1968.

Obama is one of us; a caring, hard-working man who seeks understanding and rational, utilitarian solutions to our country’s problems. He is a man who can put aside the differences of 1968 and take the best of both sides of that war of circularity. He is a post-hippie, born in that time, but not of it, with the capacity to see beyond the near horizon to a farther shore, to literally embody a greater destiny for our country; a place where the goodness of 1968 comes from both sides of the cultural divide.

http://nahnopenotquite.com/2008/10/05/obama-was-8-years-old/

Posted by: nahnopenotquite | October 6, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Bring on Charles Keating, about whom McCain has been truthful and regretful, dedicating his career to campaign finance reform.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 6, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

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