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Palin Rips Obama on Social Security 'Fear and Panic,' but Tangles Health Policy Descriptions

Updated 7:54 p.m.
By Perry Bacon Jr.
PENSACOLA , Fla. -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin accused Barack Obama of practicing "old-style politics" and misleading voters in his attacks on Sen. John McCain's Social Security views, continuing her criticism of the Democratic nominee.

"Beware! No presidential election cycle is complete without the Democratic candidate coming down here to Florida to stir up fear and panic on this issue," Palin said. "And if you expected any better from the guy who promised to get rid of these old style politics, you're in for a disappointment, because Barack Obama has exploited this issue."

Obama, in both his speeches and television commercials in Florida, has suggested McCain's support for allowing people to invest some of the money they would otherwise pay in Social Security taxes into personal accounts would have resulted in huge losses for elderly people as the stock market dropped sharply in recent weeks. The nonpartisan website Factcheck.org recently called this "a whopper," noting the plan advocated by President Bush in 2005 and backed by McCain at the time would have only allowed people younger than age 58 to put some money into personal accounts, so no current seniors would be affected.

Palin did not detail exactly how McCain's Social Security reforms would work in the speech beyond saying he would not change it for people who are already retired. Obama aides noted that McCain has committed to cutting spending on Medicare and Medicaid by more than $1 trillion. The Arizona senator has not detailed how those programs would still offer health insurance to the elderly and the poor under those cuts.

The Alaska governor also accused Obama of misleading Americans about McCain's health care plan, but offered an inaccurate explanation, saying "every middle class American family will have a five thousand dollar credit, tax credit, to buy the health care coverage that you choose and Barack Obama is calling that a tax." McCain's proposal
would tax the health benefits Americans now receive through their employers, which Obama has noted over the last few days. For most Americans, McCain's tax credit will offset the increased tax, so the cost of their health insurance would not go up.

"Our health care plan will give millions of middle class Americans access to better health care without costing them a dime," Palin said.

She said Obama's health care plan put "expensive mandates on small businesses." Small businesses are in fact exempted from the mandates in Obama's health care plan, which require large employers to either offer insurance to their employees or pay a tax.

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It is truly sad that people like McCain and Palin, "supposedly" running a traditionally right wing conservative agenda are sounding more and more like the "NeoCon" agenda of lies, smears, untruths, etc. to get elected.

I would like to see campaigns back to agendas that promote honesty, and not just pretend they are supporting change, when votes in the past present agendas, such as "deregulation" supported by John McCain, are the main reason we had this financial melt down.

To find out more about viable health care changes, and get the truth on political policies, go to:
http://www.RootsofDemocracy.com
http://www.HealingNews.com

Posted by: rootsofdemocracy | October 12, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

i'm just a few years older than 58 and my retirement accounts are now below what they were when I was 55. I am sure people 58 and younger would have been delighted to see their privatized Social Security accounts go down along with their other retirement accounts. Believe me. when you are 58, you are already feeling like a "senior" as far as your retirement accounts go. This was not a misleading statement by Obama. I know people who saved all their lives who are now almost totally dependent on Social Security since the losses in the early 2000's, now their will be many more people like this.

Posted by: ccorbitt1 | October 8, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey all, have you been watching? You know what The right wing columnists have been talking about?-----Palins pantie lines and that they felt that she was winking at them, oh and star bursts coming through the T.V. screen and floating around the living rooms or America. Now what dose that tell ya, if that cr*p was said by anyone else the wingnuts would have been calling for someones head. kind of like what happened to Emit Till, who was beaten to death for whistling at some racist nuts wife. They were/are & will continue to be PATHETIC

Posted by: jonnybullet | October 8, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

A shot across the bows

Paul Begala, in a shot on Meet the Press that sounds like something other than an offhand remark, suggests an Obama comeback to an expected McCain ad blitz on the Ayers relationship.

Obama, he was asked about this in a debate in the primaries with Hillary Clinton sitting there, and George Stephanopoulos of ABC asked him about it. He answered it, pointed out that the despicable acts this guy committed were committed when apparently Barack Obama was eight years old.

And I think Governor Palin here is making a strategic mistake. This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back, I have written a book about McCain, I had a dozen researchers go through him, I didn't even put this in the book.

But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group.

The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League - the parent organization - which ADL said "has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites."

Now, that's not John McCain, I don't think he is that. But you know, the problem is that a lot of people know John McCain's record better than Governor Palin. And he does not want to play guilt by association or this thing could blow up in his face.

The guilt-by-association attacks on Obama are as much about tapping into a range of hazier doubts as they are about the details of any given charge, so I'm not sure they'd work on the better-known McCain.

There is no shortage of mud like this on both sides, though, from Ayers and Rezko to Gordon Liddy and the Alaska Independence Party.

_____________________

You can find more about the World Anti-Communist League on page 291 of my book, Dossier Secreto: Argentina's Desaparecidos and the Myth of the "Dirty War."

In it I point out that at the Fourth Congress of the Latin American Anti-Communist Confederation (CAL), a World Anti-Communist League affliliate, participants included Salvadoran death squad leader Roberto D'Aubuisson; his Guatemalan peer, the neofascist Mario Sandoval Alarcon, and a representative of the Alpha 66 Cuban-exile terrorist organization.

The CAL included a secret Mexican society called TECOS, whose dogma U.S. columnist Jack Anderson later exposed and which "made enemies of Jews, Jesuits, and communists--with a bit of medieval Nordic mythology thrown in for good measure. CAL-TECOS propaganda, published in their magazine, Replica, aired weird stores about Jews, witches, drug addicts and homosexuals taking over the Vatican. During his visit to Mexico, Pope John Paul II was elevated by the propagandists from a homosexual drug addict to the anti-Christ."

Replica had once listed Stefano Della Chiaie, the Italian narcoterrorist who worked with fugitive German Nazi Klaus Barbie in Bolivia, as one of its foreign correspondents.

Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | thanks Martin--jonnybullet

Posted by: jonnybullet | October 8, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

More promises from McCain and his bootlicker Palin.
They're main agenda is war, special interests come second and more debt for American citizens comes last. Meanwhile they rake in the perks.
I pray they lose the election, for everyone's sake.

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 8, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

PALIN: MS HUBRIS, USA
In its modern usage, hubris denotes overconfident pride and arrogance; it is often associated with a lack of knowledge combined with a lack of humility. An accusation of hubris often implies that suffering or punishment will follow, similar to the occasional pairing of hubris and nemesis in the Greek world. The proverb "pride goes before a fall" is thought to sum up the modern definition of hubris. In reference to someone being in hubrity: hubrity is a fulfillment of being hubristic or a continual behavior of being prideful. Victor in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein exudes hubris in order to become a great scientist, but is eventually regretting this previous desire. Faustus in Christopher Marlowe's play Dr. Faustus exudes hubris, all the way until his final minutes of life.

Posted by: nacnudbob | October 8, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

PALIN: MS HUBRIS, USA
In its modern usage, hubris denotes overconfident pride and arrogance; it is often associated with a lack of knowledge combined with a lack of humility. An accusation of hubris often implies that suffering or punishment will follow, similar to the occasional pairing of hubris and nemesis in the Greek world. The proverb "pride goes before a fall" is thought to sum up the modern definition of hubris. In reference to someone being in hubrity: hubrity is a fulfillment of being hubristic or a continual behavior of being prideful. Victor in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein exudes hubris in order to become a great scientist, but is eventually regretting this previous desire. Faustus in Christopher Marlowe's play Dr. Faustus exudes hubris, all the way until his final minutes of life.

Posted by: nacnudbob | October 8, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

"Palin did not detail exactly how McCain's Social Security reforms would work in the speech beyond saying he would not change it for people who are already retired."

They have never given any details.

They have never shown any analysis similar in rigor to the analysis done annually for Social Security (they can't, since the analysis depends on the details, and those they refuse to show.)

The promise of not changing benefits for current retirees is good only as long as they need current retirees to accept the "personal account" scheme. Once they have gotten the personal account scheme going they (which ought to be never) they'll then begin cutting benefits, breaking promises.

But, criminy, why is this even being discussed? The personal account scheme is so bad that not even the Republican-dominated Congress that Bush had would enact it. It hasn't gotten any better since then (nor will it ever.)

Well, OK, I understand. It's being discussed because the Republicans need some sort of story about what they'd do with regard to Social Security.

Note: I am retired, receiving Social Security. McCain talks of reducing benefits. I can see that a reduction could be part of the solution and I don't object. My circumstances are such that a reduction really wouldn't injure me. That does not mean I am insensitive to the effect on others who are in different circumstances nor do I think the Congress should be insensitive to them.

Personal accounts, on the other hand, are not a solution. The Republicans want (apparently) to use those to duck the responsibility of the federal government to make good on the bonds that Social Security holds. The Republicans recognize that when the baby boomers really start to receive benefits the government will no longer receive an annual FICA surplus and will have to start paying on the bonds that Social Security holds. That could mean raising taxes on the rich. So be it (my position. Raise the taxes.) It is not the fault of Social Security nor of the retirees that the Congress spent wastefully. The money is owed to the trust fund and should be paid. The Republicans, of course, have no qualms about stiffing retirees, if by so doing they can avoid increased taxes on the rich, their "base." All their propaganda is meant to soften the public up for that blow. Don't be softened.

Posted by: hewhoasks | October 7, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

So I just saw a new poll come out....Dream tickets for the president. Huckabee/Palin comes out 5 to 1 over McCain/Palin. Perhaps the RNC should switch out McCain for Huckabee, they might have a better chance at the white house this year cause I just can't see Obama loosing at this point. The problem is news stations are already calling the race for Obama.....switch it up and have a chance, or should we all stay home and just let Obama take the white house?

see poll at http://www.mccanes.com

Funny Huckabee was just recently named Featured Debator of the year by WathcDebate.com, ironic that McCain would bomb so bad right after the runner up wins debater of the year. http://www.huckabeeshow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 7, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain is Bush, my friends.

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 7, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain is just another right wing Republican who wants to go down as the President who dismantled those "socialist" social security and medicare programs.

No Republican will deny that is the intent.

Posted by: toritto | October 7, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"I can't for the life of me figure out who wins under the McCain plan."

The insurance companies win.

I had to laugh when I saw a healthcare study group, 'The Lewin Group' release a glowing report about McCains Plan.

The only problem is that The Lewin Group is a mouthpiece and is owned by UnitedHealth Group, one of the biggest players in the health insurance industry, and is owner of Unitedhealthcare and Ingenix.
Google those!!!! Be sure to include the words "Cuomo", "Attorney General" and "fraud".

Then look at this!!
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/06/business/fi-insure6

Want sup-prime healthcare and want to line the pockets of the insurance companies???
Vote for McCain's plan.

Posted by: plaza04433 | October 7, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

McCain will cut social security payments. Saying he won't cut them for people already retired doesn't give much solace for those of us hoping to retire in the next 10 years. McCain has already said Social Security needs a "fix" and has already ruled out any increase in withholding, even for the people making more than $250,000.00 per year, as proposed by Obama. With no increase in withholding for anyone, there is only one "fix" left, cut benefits, and that is what McCain intends to do.

Posted by: dcwsano | October 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I believe McCain's health care plan is to tax people on their employer sponsored health care plans; but then turn around and have the government give the taxpayer a $5000 tax credit for a family. Problem is that most employers contribute an average $12,000 in health care for a family of four. That means the average working class American family would have about $7000 in health insurance costs they would have to cover themselves. People like me who are past middle age and have health issues would find it impossible to find insurance if my employer decided to discontinue to offer it and he most certainly would. I can't for the life of me figure out who wins under the McCain plan.

Posted by: rc53 | October 7, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Of course she got it wrong. She didn't have time to cram the details into her vicious little brain in two weeks and hadn't read a newspaper for 5 years prior to that.

Posted by: kinoworks | October 7, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

All together now...NO WAY! NO HOW! NO McCAIN! AND Definitely NO McPALIN!!!

Posted by: bratzforobama | October 7, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Hmm lets see, Nazi's killed 6 million Jews and 4 million assorted others.
USA kills 3 million yearly for over 30 years thats over 90 million. We should be proud.

Posted by: imperetor | October 7, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Truth is that McCain doesn't have a health care plan. Truth is McCain doesn't have any plan. He's more of a tactical thinker.

What a pity that the nation is in such need and all the GOP can throw into the conversation is BS.

Check out GBT for a list of the self serving fools driving this train wreck.

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/

McCain has hired some of the most experienced ad men available. Problem is it's going to take more than BS to get out of this one.

Posted by: protagoras | October 7, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's plan would see to it that retired Seniors making less than $50k would pay NO TAXES WHATSOEVER.

Many seniors are enrolled in Medicare prescription drug plans that are actually more expensive for them than other available plans. Obama and Biden will require companies to send Medicare beneficiaries a full list of the drugs and fees they paid the previous year to help seniors determine which plans can better reduce their out-of-pocket costs and improve their health.

As president, Obama will work to give seniors choices about their care, consistent with their needs, and not biased towards institutional care. He will work to reform the financing of long term care to protect seniors and families. He will work to improve the quality of elder care, including by training more nurses and health care workers.

Obama and Biden will increase funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) which helps low-income citizens — many of them seniors — pay their winter heating and summer cooling bills.
(John McCain has voted against this time and time again.)

In the midst of the 2005 debate over Social Security privatization, Obama gave a major speech at the National Press Club forcefully arguing against privatization. He also repeatedly voted against Republican amendments that aimed to privatize Social Security or cut benefits. Obama has also voted to force companies to properly fund their pension plans so taxpayers don't end up footing the bill.

Obama has supported a number efforts to strengthen Medicare, including voting for legislation to allow Medicare to negotiate for cheaper prescription drug prices and to extend the enrollment period for low-income beneficiaries.

After reports that lobbyists, but not the American people, received information about the most unsafe nursing homes in the country, Barack Obama demanded the Department of Health and Human Services release that information to the public. Following Obama's letter, the names of the four Iowa care facilities cited for unsafe care were released to the public. Obama's efforts follow his successful efforts in Illinois to make nursing home information public and strengthen elder abuse laws.

Posted by: stupidcontard | October 7, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

John McShame voted AGAINST making the bombing of an abortion clinic a felony.

Who sides with terrorists? McCain.

Also take a look at his record on the "Bubble Law"

Posted by: SueMVetforObama | October 7, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin WAS a member of the AIP, not just him.

Go to the 6:00 mark and listen.
It is an AIP meeting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIi4rbIXbkw

Pass it along..........

Posted by: SueMVetforObama | October 7, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh come on, you really think Palin is satan or something. She never consorted with known terrorists or maneuvered her opposition out of an election so she could run without opposition.
Obama has done both, he's a disgrace and an insult to the country. Not Carters second term, much, much, worse.
Stop Listening to the media and dig people, if you don't you'll kick yourselves in a year or two.

Posted by: imperetor | October 7, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing to me that Palin claims to know so much about Obama's policies and plans but she knows nothing about her own running mate. I'm so sick of this woman. I can't wait to send her back to Alaska.

Posted by: linda20 | October 7, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

THE SENTENCES SUM UP WHAT THE PARTY GOP REPUBLICAN IS STANDS FOR,AND THEY ARE:

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 7, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what Caribou Barbie says!

I'll start listening to her when she proves (Press Conference) that she can do something other than read a tele-prompter and use not cards that were written for her by KKKarl Rove.


If Sarah Palin wasn't a secessionist, then why was she palling around with them up in Alaska in recent years?
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its
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So here's the question: when will Sarah Palin ever explain what she was doing palling around with the Alaskan Independence Party secessionists? When will she explain why Todd Palin -- who plays a huge role in her administration -- was a member of the party for so long?


Does she oppose secession now, if so, when did she change her mind?


The problem for Sarah Palin is that she hasn't answered any of these questions, and when (if) she finally starts to answer them, her answers will be news.


So even if her silly new strategy were gaining short-term traction -- which it isn't -- it would be stupid in the long run because her false attacks on old news about Barack Obama are reopening questions into current news about her.


But I guess that's what you get when you have a ticket headed by dishonorable dimwits like Palin and McCain.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 7, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

To all those deluded folks claiming that the free market will fix the healthcare crisis all I can say is...any day now...what are you waiting for?

The previous post had it right. I am 45 and self employed. My high deductible, catastrophic coverage runs me $7800 a year for an individual policy.

McCain doesnt get it of course. His healthcare is provided by...the government!

Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 7, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

It never ceases to amaze me that Palin cannot even manage to keep the positions of her own campaign straight while plain ole folks posting on this board dont seem to have any problems doing so.

Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 7, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

No matter who came up with that idea of investment of social security into private accounts, this economic crisis, proves that the idea STINKS!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't expect Barrack or McCain to have the answer to this crisis because the so-called EXPERTS of America are stumped. If they try and muster up an answer they will most likely be guessing. NOT something I am feeling right now. Guesses....

My 401K is in decline...really...It is. Literally. I don't want to hear about anything else but the economy until this mess improves.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 7, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

It would be hard to imagine a scenario more frightening than that of this woman in position of command. Her snide ramblings have turned her from a strident, laughable, semi-literate buffoon into a spine-chilling threat to the well-being of every human being in America. Republicans love their children as much as anyone else, and their responsibility to shield them should outweigh any consideration of party allegiance. The bible teaches that pride goes before the fall. I pray that they remember this in the voting booth.

Posted by: hlandis2 | October 7, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

As a small business owner I know full well that you cannot get health care for a family for $5000/year.

If you go as an individual on the open market you can forget getting coverage for any reasonable price if you are above 40 years old, smoke, or drink , have a pre existing condition, or are female and in the birthing age.

Its as simple as that. Of course if I was a politician in congress I'm sure their benefits are really good so why no let us all have the same?

Posted by: akpat | October 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

The time is now!

To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember Barack Hussein Obama’s intimate 20 year relationship with the Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright, who blessed Barack and Michelle marriage and baptized both their daughters. AND, to remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember how Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and how he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Barack's religious leader, Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; and that black values are superior to middle-class American values.
 Indeed Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love and have always been proud of, by voting for a True American Patriot and War Hero who risked his life for our country:
John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain

Posted by: Manolete | October 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Our retirement plans are going down the drain and all McCain/Palin come up with are desperate smears and hate speech. People need to know, for example, what McCain is going to do to Medicare. That is more important for the country
From the Wall St. Journal Oct. 6, 2008
McCain would pay for his health plan with major reductions to Medicare and Medicaid, a top aide said, in a move that independent analysts estimate could result in cuts of $1.3 trillion over 10 years to the government programs. The Republican presidential nominee has said little about the proposed cuts, but they are needed to keep his health-care plan "budget neutral," as he has promised. The McCain campaign hasn't given a specific figure for the cuts, but didn't dispute the analysts' estimate.

Posted by: jeffl240 | October 7, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

make that crud insurance.....not crude. Believe me if goverment is going to do it it will be overpriced, and garbage compared to free market. Why do Canadians come to the US for treatment, when they have "free" health insurance.....cuz it is bad/worthless.

Posted by: rick2008 | October 7, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Are you people drinking the koolaid...again? Obama thinks he can save lots of money on health care...by...doing what??.....making everyone sign up for crude insurance? Both sides are full of bull...that's why its politics. I find Obama the least of two evils. I also don't believe much he says. few specifics, just hot air. Gotta give him credit for cute little sound bites. I don't believe him, but I am impressed how pretty his bs sounds.

Posted by: rick2008 | October 7, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Shortly McCain will have one of his worst loses.

Worse than what he went through in Viet Nam: This will be a loss with dishonor.

Nobody forced him to run. Nobody forced him to be dishonorable. He forced it upon himself. He is his real enemy, he beat himself.

He's finished.

As for Sarah, she'll get a job at Fox News, with karl Rove in the exclussive "News to Nowhere".

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 7, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

"The nonpartisan website Factcheck.org recently called this "a whopper," noting the plan advocated by President Bush in 2005 and backed by McCain at the time would have only allowed people younger than age 58 to put some money into personal accounts, so no current seniors would be affected."

Wrongitty, wrong, wrong, wrong. The money that seniors are collecting today in SS benefits are NOT the monies they put into the system way back when. The money being paid out of SS today comes from the funds currently being deposited from today's workers' wages. So, yes today's seniors collecting SS benefits would be impacted, if indirectly, from 58 and younger workers shunting money away from the SS trust fund and into the snake pit we today call Wall Street. (:>

Posted by: DonaldCormac | October 7, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

fu_buki:

You're absolutely right. The last 8 years have seemed like an Orwellian nightmare right out of 1984. The GOP candidates sound as if they're running for President of Oceania!

Posted by: birdaa | October 7, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Palin's lying, but she may be too naive to know it.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 7, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

THE SENTENCES SUM UP WHAT THE PARTY GOP REPUBLICAN IS STANDS FOR, AND THEY ARE:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Posted by: fu_buki | October 7, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is shamelessly behaving shamefully. Her ambitions and illusions of grandeur are reflected in her insane allegations regarding Obama. This feral beast is the saddest choice of a vice-president candidate that I have known in my lifetime.

Posted by: folkflower | October 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if McCain will drop the F work in the debate tonight, McCain is no stranger to the f word, see video at http://www.mccanes.com

You can watch McCain and Obama preparing for the debates, including out takes at http://www.watchdebate.com

See who won the watchdebate debator of the year award. http://www.Huckabeeshow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

What do you expect from lying repuglicans? She's the mouthpiece for rove and his gang. The rats abandoned bush the idiot, now they're looking to hijack the country yet again so they can keep the rich people stuffing their pockets with our money.

-- faye kane, homeless brain
Read more of my smartmouth opinions at http://blog.myspace.com/fayekane

Posted by: FayeKane_HomelessSmartypants | October 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

This woman is beyond stupid...take goodness we don't have to listen to her in another debate. She is sleaze..invoking terrorists comments and plain outright lying. I wish the press would start telling it like it is....take off the gloves and let her have it...she's asked for it.

Posted by: alleycattoo2000 | October 7, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

A C grade is generous if you ask me. I would imagine that the only way she'd get an A would be "seeing" teacher after school.
How can anyone truly like this lying scumbag?

Posted by: lasker1895 | October 7, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Why is this reporter saying she is "tangling health policy description?" For pity's sake, she is LYING and why won't the media say it? She is calling a TAX on employer-provided health benefits a tax credit?

Is there no end to her mendacity? And the media's lap dog response?

Posted by: trace1 | October 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Sarah Palin be interviewed about health care policy. That would make her conversation with Katie Couric look like a thesis defense.

Posted by: mikebythesun | October 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

WE don't need another C grade average student in the White House,nor ,liars,and animals killers,lawbreakers,people that want a Lady who was behind a party in alaska that wanted to become their own country.Palin what country do you love.The United States or the new country of Alaska.

Posted by: VRH32 | October 7, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

So, in Obama's plan employers can only reduce their healthcare tax by reducing the number of employees ... doesn't sound good to me!!

Posted by: paris1969 | October 7, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Today's seniors of the futures. Allowing a portion of SS to be invested in private investments would be a mistake, and it ignores a fact that Republicans used to like to point out: SS was never intended to be an individual's sole source of income in retirement. It is SS Insurance, not a pension. Its purpose is to ensure that retirees that either weren't wise enough to invest for retirement or were unable to having little disposable income would have a bare minimum needed to support themselves. Given its purpose, it would be irresponsible to give individuals control over funds taken for this purpose. Nothing prevents someone from investing in their own plan.

Posted by: csintala79 | October 7, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama, in both his speeches and television commercials in Florida, has suggested McCain's support for allowing people to invest some of the money they would otherwise pay in Social Security taxes into personal accounts would have resulted in huge losses for elderly people as the stock market dropped sharply in recent weeks. The nonpartisan website Factcheck.org recently called this "a whopper," noting the plan advocated by President Bush in 2005 and backed by McCain at the time would have only allowed people younger than age 58 to put some money into personal accounts, so no current seniors would be affected.
________________________________

HUH? Look Winky, Blinky, everybody gets "ELDERLY" if they don't die "YOUNGERLY"! Obamma did not say that the ones collecting "NOW" are the elderly...you did MORON!!!

Posted by: harried | October 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Palin's got to go. It will be a shame if she ends up as the VP of this great country...I guess at the end of the day we will have nobody but ourselves to blame if that happens.

Posted by: whitetrash1 | October 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Somebody need to write an article about the tone of the Palin and McCain rallys. They are one step away from lynch mobs. They are literally putting the thought in peoples minds that Obama is a terrorist. People have been shouting out "treason" and "terrorist" and "kill him." A cameraman had racial epithets thrown at him. They are playing a very, very dangerous game.

Posted by: Dessalines | October 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

On Social Security, if McCain's plan had been in effect for the seniors it would result in huge losses, and that's the point. It's very important to know that going forward that's what McCain wants to do and today's seniors would have much less today if they had followed McCain's plan. As a younger person I don't want to be on McCain's plan. I don't trust the stock market for my retirement. The 401 (k) is enough. Beyond that I want the social security we have now. Surely seniors care about the people who come after them. Don't vote to privatize our benefits.

Posted by: bgormley1 | October 7, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

And I'm a liberal Democrat.
Posted by: jlundpeterson | October 7, 2008 5:50 PM
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Thanks for sharing that with us you liar!!!

Posted by: harried | October 7, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

First of all anyone who thinks they can get a Healthcare plan for a family for $5,000. I have a bridge, well you know the rest. Palin doesn't know her running mates plan, she doesn't know Obama's plan, she doesn't know diddly! The woman has one task that is to stir racial tensions and attempt to paint Obama as a terrorist, why isn't she being called on this? It's so obvious to anyone listening to her. Guess as long as it makes news then nothings off the table. What's next WW wrestling at the campaign stops?

Posted by: sfilutze | October 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The Dipstick in Lipstick will say anything at all for any audience at all to score a vote.

McCain should be embarrassed by this shallow, ambitious twit.

Posted by: Attucks | October 7, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Did she WINK or did she BLINK!!!
What a friggin joke!!

Posted by: harried | October 7, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

How do you talk bad about the Obama plans on health care, social security, etc.. when you have no idea what your own campaign is doing?

Palin, truly, has only joined the rest of America these last 5 weeks. Alaska is one of the top 5 welfare states in the country.

As far as the 'old politics', the GOP invented it.

You don't need fear to show the people of this country that we are in trouble.

If McCain/Palin were truly connected to the average taxpayer, they would have known that we are in a recession (it started awhile back for us).

Posted by: ssanford00 | October 7, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

So, PALIN DOESN'T EVEN KNOW MCCAINS HEALTH CARE PLAN. Give her another interview with Katie Couric or send her to "The View" for a little interview!
Google: "McCain Keating 5"
Google: "Palin adulter affair"
for more info on these two Mavericks..

Posted by: angelou | October 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

So, PALIN DOESN'T EVEN KNOW MCCAINS HEALTH CARE PLAN. Give her another interview with Katie Couric or send her to "The View" for a little interview!

Google: "McCain Keating 5"
Google: "Palin adulter affair"

for more info on these two Mavericks.

Posted by: angelou | October 7, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Because McCain's health care plan changes the way payments are made, employers will also dramatically change what they offer. If they ever would have to pay taxes on health care employers will drop their side of the equation. The idea that models used to evaluate Obama's and McCain's plans used the old formula is crazy. I'm a small business, I would never allow my bottom line to take the hit and pay taxes on employee coverage. If they get the credit, they pay. And I'm a liberal Democrat.

Posted by: jlundpeterson | October 7, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Because McCain's health care plan changes the way payments are made, employers will also dramatically change what they offer. If they ever would have to pay taxes on health care employers will drop their side of the equation. The idea that models used to evaluate Obama's and McCain's plans used the old formula is crazy. I'm a small business, I would never allow my bottom line to take the hit and pay taxes on employee coverage. If they get the credit, they pay. And I'm a liberal Democrat.

Posted by: jlundpeterson | October 7, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

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