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By Juliet Eilperin
BOWLING GREEN, Ohio -- Joe the plumber is in the house.

Joe Wurzelbacher -- the plumber whose question prompted Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama to talk about the need to "spread the wealth" -- suddenly appeared onstage with GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin this morning at Bowling Green State University's Anderson Arena.

The crowd erupted into an enormous cheer when Palin introduced Wurzelbacher, who appeared in a button-down, green-checked shirt and jeans. Modifying a line she's used at many rallies to describe her favorite kind of voter, the Alaska governor said that after seeing photos of the plumber, "I knew I'd like him, wearing his Carhartts and his steel-toed boots."

Wurzelbacher did not speak during the rally, and instead stood with his hands clasped together. But Palin continued to address him in front of the enthusiastic audience as he stood silently by her side. "Joe, I really want to hand it to you, you were able to get our opponent to finally state his intentions in plain language," she said.

"Joe Biden calls higher taxes patriotic" -- here the crowd booed loudly -- "but to some, it has sounded like socialism," Palin said, alluding to a comment Wurzelbacher made earlier in the campaign. "Now is not the time to experiment with that."

Before Wurzelbacher took the stage, Palin devoted the first part of her remarks to criticizing the Los Angeles Times for its refusal to release a video of a 2003 banquet at which Obama spoke about Rashid Khalidi, a leading Palestinian scholar who directs Columbia University's Middle East Institute.

"Interesting what we're finding out, even the last couple days, about this assortment of friends from Chicago that Barack Obama has," she said. "In case you missed the latest, let me summarize. It seems that there's yet another radical professor from the neighborhood who spent a lot of time with Barack Obama going back several years."

"This associate, Rashid Khalidi, he -- in addition being a political ally of Barack Obama -- is a former spokesperson for Palestinian Liberation Organization," Palin continued, brushing aside Khalidi's denial that he was ever a PLO spokesman. "The twist here is there's a videotape of a party for this person. A celebration of him. Barack was there. Some very derogatory things were said there of Israel and America's support for that great nation. Among other things, Israel was described there as the perpetrator of terrorism rather than the victim. What we don't know is how Barack Obama responded to these slurs on a country that he professes to support, and the reason we don't know is the newspaper that has this tape, the Los Angeles Times, refuses to release it."

Then, the Alaska governor openly mocked the L.A. Times as pandering to Obama (the paper has said it cannot release the tape because it received it from a source on condition that it not be published and intends to honor that commitment).

"It must be nice for a candidate to have major news organizations looking out for their best interests like that," she said, as the audience cheered her on. "Politicians would love to have a pet newspaper of their very own. In this case we have a newspaper willing to throw aside even the public's right to know in order to protect a candidate that its own editorial board has endorsed. If there's a Pulitzer prize category, for excellence in kowtowing, the L.A. Times wins."

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Sarah Palin does not stop at using any one or any thing to promote her ambitions.

Yesterday, she displayed her baby son (in need of special needs) dressed as a Republican Elephant, for Halloween. Big floppy ears bigger than the baby.

Innocent creature being used for politics is rather shameful, would say.


Posted by: ElMugroso | November 1, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

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ONLY IN AMERICA IS THIS POSSIBLE
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I am hearing Sarah Palin acuse Obama of waving an IMAGINARY "white flag of surrender in Iraq".

What an insult to intelligence!

The REALITY is over 4000 (not imaginary) Red and White flags covering coffins on this IMMORAL and UN-NECESSARY war, motivated by the GREED and IGNORANCE of Bush and his cronies.

The little she thinks or believes is that people that she talks to are idiots.

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Posted by: ElMugroso | November 1, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

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ONLY IN AMERICA IS THIS POSSIBLE
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I also heard her (Sarah Palin) say that Joe Da Plumber did what no one had yet been able to do in finding out what Obama really stands for, on taxes.

Let's hope that the plumber does not demand payment from her incompetent campaign.

And, let's hope she is not planning on a "Palin Joe Da Plumber" Ticket for 2012!
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Posted by: ElMugroso | November 1, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I just heard Sarah Palin accuse Obama of flip-flopping on tax issues, while at the same time adding that "THE BACKBONE OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY ARE SMALL BUSINESSES".

It DOES LOOK TO ME as if SHE IS CORRECTING McCain.

But that's not flip-flopping, I guess.

Posted by: ElMugroso | November 1, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Joe's got a job now doesn't he? Couldn't cut it as a plumber I guess. By the way, read the clipping I posted below this, what a coincidence, Palin introduces him at another rally as "A FELLOW ALASKAN", doesn't that just want to make you go HMMMMMMM?????

Here is the clipping:

BOWLING GREEN, Ohio – Speaking at a campaign rally 25 miles outside Toledo, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska was well into her riff on tax policy when she paused.

“You know,” she said, smiling playfully. “There’s someone here who really gets it when it comes to this issue.”

The crowd, anticipating the surprise guest, started to clap and cheer.

“He’s a fellow Alaskan, and he’s a fellow military man who served our country proudly,” Ms. Palin said. “I’d like you to meet him! Please welcome Joe the Plumber!”

And with that, Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. Joe the Plumber, walked onstage in a checked shirt and jeans, waving to the crowd, to make his second major in-person appearance of the presidential campaign.

Posted by: GoBama2 | October 31, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Joe's got a job now doesn't he? Couldn't cut it as a plumber I guess. By the way, read the clipping I posted below this, what a coincidence, Palin introduces him at another rally as "A FELLOW ALASKAN", doesn't that just want to make you go HMMMMMMM?????

Here is the clipping:

BOWLING GREEN, Ohio – Speaking at a campaign rally 25 miles outside Toledo, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska was well into her riff on tax policy when she paused.

“You know,” she said, smiling playfully. “There’s someone here who really gets it when it comes to this issue.”

The crowd, anticipating the surprise guest, started to clap and cheer.

“He’s a fellow Alaskan, and he’s a fellow military man who served our country proudly,” Ms. Palin said. “I’d like you to meet him! Please welcome Joe the Plumber!”

And with that, Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. Joe the Plumber, walked onstage in a checked shirt and jeans, waving to the crowd, to make his second major in-person appearance of the presidential campaign.

Posted by: GoBama2 | October 31, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Banks and corporations have depended heavily on "socialism" and would be lost without it.

Gov. Palin ignores facts when urging working voters to stay the course in an unbalanced economy:

* the uniform federal currency
* enforcing commercial contracts
* limited liability
* subsidies
* "free" railways, highways and tcp-ip
* government lending
* government contracts
* tariffs
* military support across the globe

Gov. Palin & Mr. Wurzelbacher think corporations do it on their own. Where was the uncompromising talk about free markets when the banks found themselves holding so much bad debt?

Bottom line: Gov. Palin does not worry that government handouts of tax money will corrupt the moral fiber of the wealthy. Only working voters get labeled as "socialist" (and worse) for suggesting that the economy should be more fair.

Gov. Palin is either poorly educated about the history of business and government or horrifyingly cynical.

Posted by: openmissoula | October 29, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The ABC News reported today that "McCain has his own connection to Khalidi," in that McCain has chaired the International Republican Institute since 1993, which in 1998 and 1999 funded the Center for Palestine Research and Studies, founded by the Palestinian scholar.

Posted by: lynnlm | October 29, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The ABC News reported today that "McCain has his own connection to Khalidi," in that McCain has chaired the International Republican Institute since 1993, which in 1998 and 1999 funded the Center for Palestine Research and Studies, founded by the Palestinian scholar.

Posted by: lynnlm | October 29, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Treasury-

you are a moron.. so of your three reasons you put towards Obama, lets look at them for McCain..

A) Kool-Aide drinkers who ignore Obama's background.

McCain- there is a standup guy. Cheated on and left his first wife. Married a pill popping heiress who should rightfully be in jail right now except that money can buy you out of anything. Graduated almost dead last in his class in the Navy.. Keating scandal..

B) Radicals who at heart hate America and what it stands for.

Palin's (and the first "dude") ties to the Alaska independence Movement, a movement who advocates succession from the US..

C) Blacks who vote according to their race.

Black, white, spanish, asian, indian, women, men, etc etc.. All for Obama while McCain can count on the inbred redneck racists for his votes- guess I should count you in the latter..

Posted by: hildtpd | October 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Treasury-

you are a moron.. so of your three reasons you put towards Obama, lets look at them for McCain..

A) Kool-Aide drinkers who ignore Obama's background.

McCain- there is a standup guy. Cheated on and left his first wife. Married a pill popping heiress who should rightfully be in jail right now except that money can buy you out of anything. Graduated almost dead last in his class in the Navy.. Keating scandal..

B) Radicals who at heart hate America and what it stands for.

Palin's (and the first "dude") ties to the Alaska independence Movement, a movement who advocates succession from the US..

C) Blacks who vote according to their race.

Black, white, spanish, asian, indian, women, men, etc etc.. All for Obama while McCain can count on the inbred redneck racists for his votes- guess I should count you in the latter..

Posted by: hildtpd | October 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Treasury-

you are a moron.. so of your three reasons you put towards Obama, lets look at them for McCain..

A) Kool-Aide drinkers who ignore Obama's background.

McCain- there is a standup guy. Cheated on and left his first wife. Married a pill popping heiress who should rightfully be in jail right now except that money can buy you out of anything. Graduated almost dead last in his class in the Navy.. Keating scandal..

B) Radicals who at heart hate America and what it stands for.

Palin's (and the first "dude") ties to the Alaska independence Movement, a movement who advocates succession from the US..

C) Blacks who vote according to their race.

Black, white, spanish, asian, indian, women, men, etc etc.. All for Obama while McCain can count on the inbred redneck racists for his votes- guess I should count you in the latter..


Posted by: hildtpd | October 29, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Palin and Samuel! What a pair of dumb as doorstop book ends! It is pretty pitiful.

While Palin is stumping with Samuel the not-exactly-a-plumber, Obama is stumping with Bill The President.

Socialism? Alaska is the most socialist state:

"And Alaska—we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs. … It’s to maximize benefits for Alaskans, not an individual company, not some multinational somewhere, but for Alaskans."--Palin

In fact, Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share (ACES) program, which manages the redistribution of oil wealth in Alaska, brings in so much money that the state needs no income or sales tax. In addition, this year ACES will provide every Alaskan with a check for an estimated $3,200.

Then we can look at McCain's support of the socialist bail out for Wall Street.

What hypocritical lairs!

Posted by: Togeika | October 29, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I wish Palin would be more "mavericky" and stop reading these fear-mongering speeches that the amoral Republican operatives keep handing her.

But, on the other hand, it seems that Obama's poll numbers go up with each new guilt-by-association tactic the geniuses handling the Republican campaign devise. So maybe we should be thankful that Palin is such a loyal Republican that she will read ANYTHING they hand her.

Posted by: tsawyer_mv | October 29, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Like she could tell you what the Pulitzer Prize is.

Posted by: TomHRyan | October 29, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Like she could tell you what the Pulitzer Prize is.

Posted by: TomHRyan | October 29, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

They need to put a muzzle on Mary Moose.. her lips are moving again so we know she's lying.

Posted by: cmsatown | October 29, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

They need to put a muzzle on Mary Moose.. her lips are moving again so we know she's lying.

Posted by: cmsatown | October 29, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse


. . READ THIS SHORT PIECE BEFORE YOU VOTE

Wall Street Journal's very brief and to the point article on Obama's destructive tax program (spreading the wealth):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122524355079278651.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Jake Tapper of ABC is reporting that Khalidi's group was funded in part by a grant from a foundation whose chairman was--you guessed it--John McCain.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/the-khalidi-gam.html

Posted by: pjkiger1 | October 29, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

yokoprako23 - so socialism is OK as long as it benefits you - as in helping you purchase your house? BTW, I have held a job since I was 12 and earned everything I have too.

The banking crisis was due to greedy financial institutions gambling trillions on derivatives and credit swaps, not the poor family buying a $40,000 house. When their bets crashed they turned to the government to bail them out to the tune of $1 TRILLION of taxpayer money.

So US industry would prosper if only the government would get out of the way? How would the US sugar industry do on the world market without import tariffs on Brazilian sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports? If you're so anti-government intervention in the "free market" then you need to work to end government support of the agriculture industry, the steel industry, the forest industry, the automobile industry, etc. No? Then I suggest that "mr free market" McCain and Frau Palin try that stump speech out on their followers. I'd love to see them hang from the nearest pole.

McCain and his ilk are all for socialism when it benefits the rich. We can afford $700 billion for banks but we can afford health care for children?

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Alright, I've had enough of this woman from Alaska. She was easy on the eyes and likable with the "folksy" talk and such when she first hit the scene. But once America saw her on the Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric interviews as well as the poor performance at the V.P. debate her luster wore off. Now she is becoming a "disgusting" joke to presidential politics.

Hopefully when she goes back to Alaska to vote, she can stay there and possibly take Joe "the unlicensed plumber" with her.

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

yokoprako23 - so socialism is OK as long as it benefits you - as in helping you purchase your house? BTW, I have held a job since I was 12 and earned everything I have too.

The banking crisis was due to greedy financial institutions gambling trillions on derivatives and credit swaps, not the poor family buying a $40,000 house. When their bets crashed they turned to the government to bail them out to the tune of $1 TRILLION of taxpayer money.

So US industry would prosper if only the government would get out of the way? How would the US sugar industry do on the world market without import tariffs on Brazilian sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports? If you're so anti-government intervention in the "free market" then you need to work to end government support of the agriculture industry, the steel industry, the forest industry, the automobile industry, etc. No? Then I suggest that "mr free market" McCain and Frau Palin try that stump speech out on their followers. I'd love to see them hang from the nearest pole.

McCain and his ilk are all for socialism when it benefits the rich. We can afford $700 billion for banks but we can afford health care for children?

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

yokoprako23 - so socialism is OK as long as it benefits you - as in helping you purchase your house? BTW, I have held a job since I was 12 and earned everything I have too.

The banking crisis was due to greedy financial institutions gambling trillions on derivatives and credit swaps, not the poor family buying a $40,000 house. When their bets crashed they turned to the government to bail them out to the tune of $1 TRILLION of taxpayer money.

So US industry would prosper if only the government would get out of the way? How would the US sugar industry do on the world market without import tariffs on Brazilian sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports? If you're so anti-government intervention in the "free market" then you need to work to end government support of the agriculture industry, the steel industry, the forest industry, the automobile industry, etc. No? Then I suggest that "mr free market" McCain and Frau Palin try that stump speech out on their followers. I'd love to see them hang from the nearest pole.

McCain and his ilk are all for socialism when it benefits the rich. We can afford $700 billion for banks but we can afford health care for children?

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"sieg heil" sarah strikes again...any holocaust survivors must be having "déjà vu" right about now

Posted by: raisethebar | October 29, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

yokoprako23 - so socialism is OK as long as it benefits you - as in helping you purchase your house? BTW, I have held a job since I was 12 and earned everything I have too.

The banking crisis was due to greedy financial institutions gambling trillions on derivatives and credit swaps, not the poor family buying a $40,000 house. When their bets crashed they turned to the government to bail them out to the tune of $1 TRILLION of taxpayer money.

So US industry would prosper if only the government would get out of the way? How would the US sugar industry do on the world market without import tariffs on Brazilian sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports? If you're so anti-government intervention in the "free market" then you need to work to end government support of the agriculture industry, the steel industry, the forest industry, the automobile industry, etc. No? Then I suggest that "mr free market" McCain and Frau Palin try that stump speech out on their followers. I'd love to see them hang from the nearest pole.

McCain and his ilk are all for socialism when it benefits the rich. We can afford $700 billion for banks but we can afford health care for children?

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

yokoprako23 - so socialism is OK as long as it benefits you - as in helping you purchase your house? BTW, I have held a job since I was 12 and earned everything I have too.

The banking crisis was due to greedy financial institutions gambling trillions on derivatives and credit swaps, not the poor family buying a $40,000 house. When their bets crashed they turned to the government to bail them out to the tune of $1 TRILLION of taxpayer money.

So US industry would prosper if only the government would get out of the way? How would the US sugar industry do on the world market without import tariffs on Brazilian sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports? If you're so anti-government intervention in the "free market" then you need to work to end government support of the agriculture industry, the steel industry, the forest industry, the automobile industry, etc. No? Then I suggest that "mr free market" McCain and Frau Palin try that stump speech out on their followers. I'd love to see them hang from the nearest pole.

McCain and his ilk are all for socialism when it benefits the rich. We can afford $700 billion for banks but we can afford health care for children?

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

yokoprako23 - so socialism is OK as long as it benefits you - as in helping you purchase your house? BTW, I have held a job since I was 12 and earned everything I have too.

The banking crisis was due to greedy financial institutions gambling trillions on derivatives and credit swaps, not the poor family buying a $40,000 house. When their bets crashed they turned to the government to bail them out to the tune of $1 TRILLION of taxpayer money.

So US industry would prosper if only the government would get out of the way? How would the US sugar industry do on the world market without import tariffs on Brazilian sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports? If you're so anti-government intervention in the "free market" then you need to work to end government support of the agriculture industry, the steel industry, the forest industry, the automobile industry, etc. No? Then I suggest that "mr free market" McCain and Frau Palin try that stump speech out on their followers. I'd love to see them hang from the nearest pole.

McCain and his ilk are all for socialism when it benefits the rich. We can afford $700 billion for banks but we can afford health care for children?

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

yokoprako23 - so socialism is OK as long as it benefits you - as in helping you purchase your house? BTW, I have held a job since I was 12 and earned everything I have too.

The banking crisis was due to greedy financial institutions gambling trillions on derivatives and credit swaps, not the poor family buying a $40,000 house. When their bets crashed they turned to the government to bail them out to the tune of $1 TRILLION of taxpayer money.

So US industry would prosper if only the government would get out of the way? How would the US sugar industry do on the world market without import tariffs on Brazilian sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports? If you're so anti-government intervention in the "free market" then you need to work to end government support of the agriculture industry, the steel industry, the forest industry, the automobile industry, etc. No? Then I suggest that "mr free market" McCain and Frau Palin try that stump speech out on their followers. I'd love to see them hang from the nearest pole.

McCain and his ilk are all for socialism when it benefits the rich. We can afford $700 billion for banks but we can afford health care for children?

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

southernvet..............only one of three kinds of people support Barrack Obama:
A) Kool-Aide drinkers who ignore Obama's background.
B) Radicals who at heart hate America and what it stands for.
C) Blacks who vote according to their race.

You can choose another category if you aren't a Socialist.

Posted by: Treasury | October 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

High taxes do not spell socialism.

Canada has higher taxes(Americans are amateurs when it comes to taxes). The World Monetary Fund declared that Canada had the soundest financial system in the world. Canada is not socialist.

And... Canada is the U.S.'s largest and most secure supplier of oil, natural gas and electricity. And Canada does not hate you.

Posted by: nsan54 | October 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

High taxes do not spell socialism.

Canada has higher taxes(Americans are amateurs when it comes to taxes). The World Monetary Fund declared that Canada had the soundest financial system in the world. Canada is not socialist.

And... Canada is the U.S.'s largest and most secure supplier of oil, natural gas and electricity. And Canada does not hate you.

Posted by: nsan54 | October 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

yokoprako23 - so socialism is OK as long as it benefits you - as in helping you purchase your house? BTW, I have held a job since I was 12 and earned everything I have too.

The banking crisis was due to greedy financial institutions gambling trillions on derivatives and credit swaps, not the poor family buying a $40,000 house. When their bets crashed they turned to the government to bail them out to the tune of $1 TRILLION of taxpayer money.

So US industry would prosper if only the government would get out of the way? How would the US sugar industry do on the world market without import tariffs on Brazilian sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports? If you're so anti-government intervention in the "free market" then you need to work to end government support of the agriculture industry, the steel industry, the forest industry, the automobile industry, etc. No? Then I suggest that "mr free market" McCain and Frau Palin try that stump speech out on their followers. I'd love to see them hang from the nearest pole.

McCain and his ilk are all for socialism when it benefits the rich. We can afford $700 billion for banks but we can afford health care for children?

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

You go girl.

Obamabots hate uppity womwn.

stick it to them.

Posted by: Treasury | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Why won't Sarah Moosillini appear on "Meet the Press"?

Why won't she allow a serious press conference so America can find out what she thinks and HOW she thinks?

Because she can not speak in coherent sentences and has a limited vocabulary.

In other words, she's a dummy... all style and NO substance.

Posted by: republican_disaster | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"You have some nerve saying that corporate america would collapse if it werent for the government. Corporate america would thrive if the government didnt get involved in it, and becasue they would thrive so would the lives of millions of others, via more jobs."

First of all, I didn't say that corporate america would collapse without government support. However, that is just what happened in the banking industry isnt it? The banking industry gambled trillions of dollars on derivatives and default swaps. When those bets crashed they turned to the US taxpayer to bail them out.

Then let's talk about tariffs and subsidies. How do you think the sugar industry would do in the global economy without import tariffs on Brazilian cane sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports and guarantees? If the US is such a lazzaie-faire (correct spelling) then let's remove all government support of the agricultural industry, the steel industry, the defense industry, the mining industry, the forest industry, etc. I'd love to hear McCain and Frau Palin say this to their followers and then watch them get lynched from the nearest pole. You're all a bunch of ignorant hypocrites. You support government welfare for the rich and through the poor under the bus.

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

yokoprako23:
The crisis happened becasue liberals like Borrack Obama felt that all people deserved to own a house not just the hard working and successful. So liberals pushed for houses to be given to those unqualified. Also the company that pushed these loans began with Sallie Mae and Freddie Mack who had lower interest rates guarenteed by the government.

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This is not only untrue, its idiodic and shows a typical republican regurgitation reflecting zero independent thought or proper research. The programs you are reffering to were NOT run through Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae (Sallie Mae works mostly with student loans- but good try). These so-called subprime mortgages were not underwritten by either, financially backed by either, or bought on the secondary markets by either Fannie or Freddie. They were created by the lenders and serviced by them. Numbers actually show that the majority of loans in default right now are actually larger mortgages by people who make 6 figures.
You could possibly be referring to the FHA program, but the numbers also show that defaults on FHA loans have not increased during the housing crisis.
This crisis is a direct result of de-regulating the banking industry. Who did that? Your brethern you so incorrectly are defending. Clinton's plan to put people into homes reflected mostly on FHA, again whose loans are doing alright.

Here's a revolutionary thought for you: research, think, and then you can open your mouth!

Posted by: beaversrus | October 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"You have some nerve saying that corporate america would collapse if it werent for the government. Corporate america would thrive if the government didnt get involved in it, and becasue they would thrive so would the lives of millions of others, via more jobs."

First of all, I didn't say that corporate america would collapse without government support. However, that is just what happened in the banking industry isnt it? The banking industry gambled trillions of dollars on derivatives and default swaps. When those bets crashed they turned to the US taxpayer to bail them out.

Then let's talk about tariffs and subsidies. How do you think the sugar industry would do in the global economy without import tariffs on Brazilian cane sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports and guarantees? If the US is such a lazzaie-faire (correct spelling) then let's remove all government support of the agricultural industry, the steel industry, the defense industry, the mining industry, the forest industry, etc. I'd love to hear McCain and Frau Palin say this to their followers and then watch them get lynched from the nearest pole. You're all a bunch of ignorant hypocrites. You support government welfare for the rich and through the poor under the bus.

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"You have some nerve saying that corporate america would collapse if it werent for the government. Corporate america would thrive if the government didnt get involved in it, and becasue they would thrive so would the lives of millions of others, via more jobs."

First of all, I didn't say that corporate america would collapse without government support. However, that is just what happened in the banking industry isnt it? The banking industry gambled trillions of dollars on derivatives and default swaps. When those bets crashed they turned to the US taxpayer to bail them out.

Then let's talk about tariffs and subsidies. How do you think the sugar industry would do in the global economy without import tariffs on Brazilian cane sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports and guarantees? If the US is such a lazzaie-faire (correct spelling) then let's remove all government support of the agricultural industry, the steel industry, the defense industry, the mining industry, the forest industry, etc. I'd love to hear McCain and Frau Palin say this to their followers and then watch them get lynched from the nearest pole. You're all a bunch of ignorant hypocrites. You support government welfare for the rich and through the poor under the bus.

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Yea OK, Stop by my house in Brooklyn New York and start talkin like your a big shot. 345 quintin road brooklyn new york. Any time you wanna stop in. Socialist!

Posted by: yokoprako23 | October 29, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"You have some nerve saying that corporate america would collapse if it werent for the government. Corporate america would thrive if the government didnt get involved in it, and becasue they would thrive so would the lives of millions of others, via more jobs."

First of all, I didn't say that corporate america would collapse without government support. However, that is just what happened in the banking industry isnt it? The banking industry gambled trillions of dollars on derivatives and default swaps. When those bets crashed they turned to the US taxpayer to bail them out.

Then let's talk about tariffs and subsidies. How do you think the sugar industry would do in the global economy without import tariffs on Brazilian cane sugar? How would the dairy industry do without price supports and guarantees? If the US is such a lazzaie-faire (correct spelling) then let's remove all government support of the agricultural industry, the steel industry, the defense industry, the mining industry, the forest industry, etc. I'd love to hear McCain and Frau Palin say this to their followers and then watch them get lynched from the nearest pole. You're all a bunch of ignorant hypocrites. You support government welfare for the rich and through the poor under the bus.

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Maverick Personality Disorder:

http://tinyurl.com/5ggtte

Posted by: caraprado1 | October 29, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Maverick Personality Disorder:

http://tinyurl.com/5ggtte

Posted by: janawalter87 | October 29, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

This if for yokoprako23. Stop by my place in Southaven, Mississippi and call me a socialist please.

Posted by: southernvet | October 29, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Do McCain/Palin and their cult-like followers have any conscience or shame? Weren't they embarrassed when they found out that their poster boy, Joe the(fake)Plumber was a liar? Why don't they just haul out Ashley Todd as well?

I'm truly considering giving up my love of politics and debate after this election. It's almost like the far-right has crushed any interest I had in the process for so many years. This whole thing is like a bad Twilight Zone episode. I've lost all interst in hearing anything more from McCain/Palin at this point; they are two of the most despicable liars and hypocrites in the country. They have riled people up in the worst ways and they seem to love it.

To those who made comments before me: Thank you for taking the time to dispute the claims of the McCain/Palin camp. It's you who give me hope that there are plenty of good, decent, intelligent, hardworking
people out there who don't buy the bs. the right is selling.

It's one thing when politicians like McCain/Pailin lie through their teeth, refuse to answer questions about themselves and insist on simply smearing their opponent mercilessly, but when their followers swarm sites repeating the same lies, it's disheartening to say the least.

Peace,

Tess

Posted by: Tess4850 | October 29, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Yet another reinforcement that disavowing the Republican Party was a good decision. This reminds me of Trent Lott hate-mongering. I am still embarrassed that he ever represented the great state of Mississippi. We're not all backwoods rednecks dedicated to perpetuating divisiveness in America. It gives me pause when I look at my shadowbox. It contains my Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross; received after being shot down on a combat mission in Viet Nam. I have the scars to show for it, but until today I never said it publicly. Now when I look at them it will be with a little less pride because of the way they have been arrogantly touted by a new type of domestic terrorist...

Posted by: southernvet | October 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

First of all, the housing market crisis as well as the ecoomic crisis which is heavily weighed by the housing market problem was not purley due to predatory lending alone. The crisis happened becasue liberals like Borrack Obama felt that all people deserved to own a house not just the hard working and successful. So liberals pushed for houses to be given to those unqualified. Also the company that pushed these loans began with Sallie Mae and Freddie Mack who had lower interest rates guarenteed by the government. So yes Socialism and government involvement is a bad thing. Now that people like Franklin Reines have ruined the housing market, now we have no choice but to releive the stress on the banks. However, that doesnt mean the government should have more power and more control over anything. Government is the reason we are in this mess not only greedy lenders. Spreading the wealth has never been a part of America. Spreading the wealth is a Marxist idea, and Obama is a Marxist, which makes him a socialist. So relax with the hypocrite remark becasue I own a home, have a job, and have earned what I have. I'll be damned if someone is going to take what I have earned over time with hard work, and give it to some skell with no job who doesnt pay taxes. Oh, and no one said purley capitalist society, I said Capitalist Society- a society that encourages competition, survival of the fittest, leisse faire, and free markets. You have some nerve saying that corporate america would collapse if it werent for the government. Corporate america would thrive if the government didnt get involved in it, and becasue they would thrive so would the lives of millions of others, via more jobs. Obama wants the economy to do better from the bottom up, but that is impossible because in order for that to happen the bottom would have to have something to offer, and since their poor they do not.

Posted by: yokoprako23 | October 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Why don't journalists hold Gov. Palin to the same standard she is trying to apply to others?

She uses overheated speech in angry crowds to bully and intimidate voters who support anyone but her.

She implies voters who like Sen. Obama's campaign are terrorists by two degrees of separation.

When will she be asked to explain why she supported the domestic terrorist ideologies of the Alaska Independence Party or women's clinic bombers? Her ethics breach? Her support of the $750B "socialist" bank bailout?

If journalists don't assertively challenge Gov. Palin's illogical, hateful attacks, her language might provoke someone to violence against voters who support Sen. Obama.

Questions like the ones she asks should be answered with questions.

Gov. Palin's reasoning should be tested. She's a candidate in a public forum. Its not AM radio.

Why do journalists let Gov. Palin ask these sorts of questions about others without demanding that she first answer them herself?

Posted by: openmissoula | October 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"leave it up to the liberals to destroy the greatest country in history"

Sorry George W Bush has already done that. We are fighting two wars that has cost thousands of US lives, we run an annual budget deficit of $500 BILLION, we owe $10 TRILLION to countries like Saudi Arabia, China, and Russia, and are held hostage to oil imports from foreign countries that hate us. Frankly, I'm not afraid of any terrorist (foreign or domestic) as much as I am of continuing the policies that have brought us to the brink of national disaster. No McCain, No Frau Palin. No more GOP.

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Why don't journalists hold Gov. Palin to the same standard she is trying to apply to others?

She uses overheated speech in angry crowds to bully and intimidate voters who support anyone but her.

She implies voters who like Sen. Obama's campaign are terrorists by two degrees of separation.

When will she be asked to explain why she supported the domestic terrorist ideologies of the Alaska Independence Party or women's clinic bombers? Her ethics breach? Her support of the $750B "socialist" bank bailout?

If journalists don't assertively challenge Gov. Palin's illogical, hateful attacks, her language might provoke someone to violence against voters who support Sen. Obama.

Questions like the ones she asks should be answered with questions.

Gov. Palin's reasoning should be tested. She's a candidate in a public forum. Its not AM radio.

Why do journalists let Gov. Palin ask these sorts of questions about others without demanding that she first answer them herself?

Posted by: openmissoula | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"leave it up to the liberals to destroy the greatest country in history"

Sorry George W Bush has already done that. We are fighting two wars that has cost thousands of US lives, we run an annual budget deficit of $500 BILLION, we owe $10 TRILLION to countries like Saudi Arabia, China, and Russia, and are held hostage to oil imports from foreign countries that hate us. Frankly, I'm not afraid of any terrorist (foreign or domestic) as much as I am of continuing the policies that have brought us to the brink of national disaster. No McCain, No Frau Palin. No more GOP.

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Why don't journalists hold Gov. Palin to the same standard she is trying to apply to others?

She uses overheated speech in angry crowds to bully and intimidate voters who support anyone but her.

She implies voters who like Sen. Obama's campaign are terrorists by two degrees of separation.

When will she be asked to explain why she supported the domestic terrorist ideologies of the Alaska Independence Party or women's clinic bombers? Her ethics breach? Her support of the $750B "socialist" bank bailout?

If journalists don't assertively challenge Gov. Palin's illogical, hateful attacks, her language might provoke someone to violence against voters who support Sen. Obama.

Questions like the ones she asks should be answered with questions.

Gov. Palin's reasoning should be tested. She's a candidate in a public forum. Its not AM radio.

Why do journalists let Gov. Palin ask these sorts of questions about others without demanding that she first answer them herself?

Posted by: openmissoula | October 29, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"no American is going to allow our country to be changed fundamentally into anything other than what it is A CAPITALIST SOCIETY."
Only the truly ignorant think we live in a pure capitalist society. All level of government intervene in our lives and our economy every day. And thank goodness they do. Left to themselves the "pillars of corporate america" will rip us off every chance they get. Or haven't you been paying attention lately? Corporate greed and lax SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT REGULATION brought about the collapse of the banking system and the unprecedented SOCIALIST PURCHASE OF EQUITY IN US BANKING INSTITUTIONS that are happening even as we speak. If you are so anti-socialism then I suggest that you forgo your mortgage interest tax deduction to start. I'm tired of having leeches like you take my income away from me so you can purchase a house you can't afford. Talk about transfer of weath.... So drop the socialism crap you hypocrite.

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I really hope McCain wins! You liberals are pathetic. You should be ahsamed to call yourself Americans! Your all voting for a socialist, it is sickening. Hi, this is America, a CAPITALIST SOCIETY. This country was founded on capitalism, leave it up to the liberals to destroy the greatest country in history. Keep beleiveing the nonsense you hear from Obama. When all is said and done you are going to wish you never voted for this charismatic B.S. artist, who's reverse racism, terrorist friendly demeanor will do nothing but hurt you wallets, and your country. Here's to having you hard earned wealth givin to those who deserve nothing. God willing McCain will prevail. McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: yokoprako23 | October 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I really hope McCain wins! You liberals are pathetic. You should be ahsamed to call yourself Americans! Your all voting for a socialist, it is sickening. Hi, this is America, a CAPITALIST SOCIETY. This country was founded on capitalism, leave it up to the liberals to destroy the greatest country in history. Keep beleiveing the nonsense you hear from Obama. When all is said and done you are going to wish you never voted for this charismatic B.S. artist, who's reverse racism, terrorist friendly demeanor will do nothing but hurt you wallets, and your country. Here's to having you hard earned wealth givin to those who deserve nothing. God willing McCain will prevail. McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: yokoprako23 | October 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I really hope McCain wins! You liberals are pathetic. You should be ahsamed to call yourself Americans! Your all voting for a socialist, it is sickening. Hi, this is America, a CAPITALIST SOCIETY. This country was founded on capitalism, leave it up to the liberals to destroy the greatest country in history. Keep beleiveing the nonsense you hear from Obama. When all is said and done you are going to wish you never voted for this charismatic B.S. artist, who's reverse racism, terrorist friendly demeanor will do nothing but hurt you wallets, and your country. Here's to having you hard earned wealth givin to those who deserve nothing. God willing McCain will prevail. McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: yokoprako23 | October 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

See the Sarah Palin Impersonator's then vote for your favorite at http://www.VeepPeek.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 29, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Frau Palin, and by extension the Republican party, have nothing to offer the nation. All they can do is hope that the fear and outright lies they spread will swing a few votes in the few states in which the election is still close. We are seeing the final collapse of the Republican party. Going forward the Republicans have two choices; to return to their small government, foreign policy expertise roots by embracing their intellectual base - the George Wills and Bill Buckleys of the party, or embrace the "new Republican party" - the one that espouses anti-intellectualism, anti-ideas, anti-human rights, xenophobia, theocracy, fear, anger, and division. This is the new republican party that Frau Palin represents. McCain must be horrified at the monster he let loose when he gave Palin a national platform.

Posted by: caebling | October 29, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words; This is The End of the GOP as we know it. In years to come, they will eventually become slightly more than an insignificant party. This has been coming for years now. They will be marginalized as an ultra right neo-con, bigoted, religious-fanatic party.


Case in point: When the talk becomes of how Sarah "Bubbles" Palin is the future of the party, well then it's time to cue the chirping crickets. Last one out, please turn off the lights.

However, from their ashes will rise another party that is more middle of the road with a mantra of fiscal conservatism.

The good news is the neo-cons and religious fanatics will be pushed farther to the fringe and will wield no real power.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

If you listen very carefully, you can hear this sound ..."glubb...glubb...splash...glubb...glubb...splash..". That's the sound of a drowning camapaign, reaching for anything it can grasp to try and stay afloat.

Seriously!! Joe the plumber?!?!?! How stupid are these people?

But it is too late, all this negative retoric is starting to bore even the undecided voters. It makes their decison that much easier.

This election will be remembered not simply because of it's historic significance, but because it was decided based on the ISSUES!!

Posted by: pblakeii | October 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words; This is The End of the GOP as we know it. In years to come, they will eventually become slightly more than an insignificant party. This has been coming for years now. They will be marginalized as an ultra right neo-con, bigoted, religious-fanatic party.

Case in point: When the talk becomes of how Sarah "Bubbles" Palin is the future of the party, well then it's time to cue the chirping crickets. Last one out, please turn off the lights.

However, from their ashes will rise another party that is more middle of the road with a mantra of fiscal conservatism.

The good news is the neo-cons and religious fanatics will be pushed farther to the fringe and will wield no real power.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words; This is The End of the GOP as we know it. In years to come, they will eventually become slightly more than an insignificant party. This has been coming for years now. They will be marginalized as an ultra right neo-con, bigoted, religious-fanatic party.

Case in point: When the talk becomes of how Sarah "Bubbles" Palin is the future of the party, well then it's time to cue the chirping crickets. Last one out, please turn off the lights.

However, from their ashes will rise another party that is more middle of the road with a mantra of fiscal conservatism.

The good news is the neo-cons and religious fanatics will be pushed farther to the fringe and will wield no real power.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad all you liberals out there are celebrating like you've won for two reasons. #1) You havent won anything yet. Just becasue the liberal media makes you feel like you have it in the bag, doesnt mean crap. You are so far from a landslide and you dont even realize it. If Obama does win you still havent won. Becasue you will be suspect to the same tax increases that everyone else is going to have so keep your smiles on Obama when that happens. Also, when Obama does try to turn us into France, there is going to be the largest uprising this country has seen in 100 years, because no American is going to allow our country to be changed fundamentally into anything other than what it is A CAPITALIST SOCIETY. For those of you who are supporting Obama you might want to reconsidering moving to a different country if you think the government should be in control of everything. #2 If Obama wins you will all be held responsible for the downfall of this country over the next four years and although you might have liberals in congress and in courthouses all over the country, it will be the last Democratic president we will see for a long time. As far as Palin. She is a better nominee for president than Obama and McCain so say what you want about her , but she is atleast getting the truth about Obama out there, which is something she shouldnt have to do but because the media won't do it she is trying her best to do. Liberals are bad winners and sore loosers, and I hope all you republicans and independants out there get out and vote for the obiously more qualified candidate MCCAIN!!!! MCCAIN / PALIN 2008

Posted by: yokoprako23 | October 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Is this the October surprise!

Is there no shame or sense of decency in McCain. A win at all costs attitude. A divide and burn mentality that threatens to destroy America at a time when it and the world are at its gravest peril.

I am not even going to write about that dingbat and utterly stupid plumber friend. By now I didn't expect any better. But from the supposed decorated hero, who has to fight for America, because he can't do it "from the sidelines" like most of America, that he insults, because they did not participate in any war. This is not just a desparate, punch drunk, has been who knows no better but to keep fighting.

You sir are a traitor! Country first????

Posted by: dlaselvaca | October 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Is this the October surprise!

Is there no shame or sense of decency in McCain. A win at all costs attitude. A divide and burn mentality that threatens to destroy America at a time when it and the world are at its gravest peril.

I am not even going to write about that dingbat and utterly stupid plumber friend. By now I didn't expect any better. But from the supposed decorated hero, who has to fight for America, because he can't do it "from the sidelines" like most of America, that he insults, because they did not participate in any war. This is not just a desparate, punch drunk, has been who knows no better but to keep fighting.

You sir are a traitor! Country first????

Posted by: dlaselvaca | October 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Is this the October surprise!

Is there no shame or sense of decency in McCain. A win at all costs attitude. A divide and burn mentality that threatens to destroy America at a time when it and the world are at its gravest peril.

I am not even going to write about that dingbat and utterly stupid plumber friend. By now I didn't expect any better. But from the supposed decorated hero, who has to fight for America, because he can't do it "from the sidelines" like most of America, that he insults, because they did not participate in any war. This is not just a desparate, punch drunk, has been who knows no better but to keep fighting.

You sir are a traitor! Country first????

Posted by: dlaselvaca | October 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Is this the October surprise!

Is there no shame or sense of decency in McCain. A win at all costs attitude. A divide and burn mentality that threatens to destroy America at a time when it and the world are at its gravest peril.

I am not even going to write about that dingbat and utterly stupid plumber friend. By now I didn't expect any better. But from the supposed decorated hero, who has to fight for America, because he can't do it "from the sidelines" like most of America, that he insults, because they did not participate in any war. This is not just a desparate, punch drunk, has been who knows no better but to keep fighting.

You sir are a traitor! Country first????

Posted by: dlaselvaca | October 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Joe the Plumber says a vote for Obama will be the "death knell for Israel." I was going to vote Democratic this year, but hearing what Joe the Plumber has to say on the subject changes everything. Because I certainly don't want to see another Holocaust take place. I think someone needs to compile a list of Joe the Plumber's wise utterances into a single volume, like the Little Red Book of Chairman Mao's quotations. Maybe instead of a Little Red Book, it could be brown with a pair of crossed plungers on it. And then I could study it and make better and more informed decisions when it comes to voting. Peace. God bless.

Posted by: Dolmance | October 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Mrs Palin, please return to your backwoods town, hunt all the moose you want, and stay out of public policy. Ignorance is the most powerful enemy we face, and I don't want anyone in office who doesn't value education.

Posted by: JonR3 | October 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Is this the October surprise!

Is there no shame or sense of decency in McCain. A win at all costs attitude. A divide and burn mentality that threatens to destroy America at a time when it and the world are at its gravest peril.

I am not even going to write about that dingbat and utterly stupid plumber friend. By now I didn't expect any better. But from the supposed decorated hero, who has to fight for America, because he can't do it "from the sidelines" like most of America, that he insults, because they did not participate in any war. This is not just a desparate, punch drunk, has been who knows no better but to keep fighting.

You sir are a traitor! Country first????

Posted by: dlaselvaca | October 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Sarah Palin spoke with Sean Hannity yesterday and reads from his script today. It's just a shame that the good name of John McCain will be no more. I am still shocked that this great American has chosen this type of campaign and this running mate. Surely he is not putting America first.
What a darn shame.

Signed,

Former McCain Admirer

Posted by: chillmann | October 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

So how does Palin criticize the LA Times? Is that one of the papers she reads but just can't think of the name of when asked?

Posted by: jmy9595 | October 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

A couple of frauds and tax-cheaters, you know, REAL Americans.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

A couple of frauds and tax-cheaters, you know REAL Americans.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 29, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

OH obamanites, socialists, the truth hurts. If obama wins, the only thing that will be proven is an American election can be bought.

Posted by: akroudy | October 29, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Ah, and again, Palin spitting crap, except this time, it is all over "Joe" the plumber. This poor sap is believing whatever is crammed down his throat. How is it possible for him to support a candidate based on a future dream of his (tax breaks for a business he doesnt't own that probably would never clear 250k), when he would benefit most from an Obama administration when it comes to taxes (clearly makes less than 250k)? Moreover, the McCain campaign assumes that America is stupid and will not look into things----on second thought, uh oh, that happened the last two elections.......

Posted by: neurons | October 29, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Here are two mentally equal morons.
Joe the makebelieve plumber and Sarah Sixpack.
Joe claims he makes $260000.00 a year that is an average of $130.00 per hour.
Who but Cindy Mc Cain could afford someone like that,But with the crap The Mc Cain Palin campaign put out she probably has a lot of drain problems.

Posted by: philstoneys | October 29, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

This is a case of LOSERS hanging out together. Joe the Plumber is a fraud. he is not even a licensed plumber in a county that requires even employees TO BE LICENSED. Thus he is practicing illegally and is very likely unqualified...just like his new boss Palin. Watch 2012. Palin will try running for president with Joe the Plumber as VP. HAHAHAHAHAHAH, HARHARHAR, HAKHAKHAK I am choking on myself laughing so hard. Wonder if the GOP is going to buy Joe gold plated plimbing tools? How about Joe the Camel? Gold plated cigarette holders? and of course Joe 6Pack?

Posted by: yard80197 | October 29, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

A better link -

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/politicalcaucus/ 2008/10/28/domke.html

Posted by: barkarfruf | October 29, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a shameless rabble rouser. After the dirty, race-baiting, and fear-mongering at her rallies that prompted people to shout, "Terrorist" and "Kill him," her campaign took a dive in public opinion. Yet she insists on campaigning along this thread. Even after two skinheads got arrested for planning murder. What is she aiming for? This pit bull is not just ugly and mean, it's also stupid and borderining on criminal. Incitement to violence is a felony.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5mdIPNB8t8


Posted by: Liberty77 | October 29, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

This will clear up a lot of rhetoric for a lot of voters!
Especially how the Repubes cannot play nice with others. This Palin "association" is merely another red herring to help people make impossible relationships out of nothing. Read the following 100 professor signed statement -

http://blog.seattl etimes.nwsource.co m/politicalcaucus/ 2008/10/28/domke.html

Posted by: barkarfruf | October 29, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the McCain/Palin campaign hold a rally without mocking something? Today, it's the L.A. Times. Tomorrow, who knows what they'll hold up to ridicule. Don't they have anything positive to add to the conversation?

Posted by: dave38 | October 29, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Many are worried about the way the McCain campaign has revved up the culture war--Bill Ayers is more famous right now than Obama's earlier BFF Paris Hilton, to say nothing of Reverend Wright, ACORN aka perpetrator of "one of the greatest frauds in voter history," secret Muslims, socialism, exotic Hawaii, Joe the Plumber, small towns, the real Virginia and the pro-America parts of the country. (According to McCain, if Obama had only agreed to do ten town hall debates with him, none of this mud would be slung now. It's as if he's blaming Obama for his own decision to take the low road. You leave me no choice, sir, but to lie and slander in a most ridiculous fashion! So much for Republicans standing for self-reliance and responsibility.) Sometimes it does feel like McCain, by choosing Sarah Palin, has lifted up a rock and revealed the national id in all its unregenerate glory, seething with racism, paranoia, McCarthyism, xenophobia and bigotry.

And yet this is the country where every poll suggests that these appeals to the devils of our nature aren't working their mojo. It may have taken the collapse of the global financial system to get Americans to elect a black man president, but give the voters a little credit: it could just happen,

K. Pollit The Nation

Posted by: toritto | October 29, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Is Palin a Whack Job?


YOU BETCHA!


Whack Job: noun - A crazy, possibly dangerous, person.
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http://www.allwords.com/word-whackjob.html
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Politico brings word that McCain advisors are upping the verbal leak campaign against Sarah Palin, who must long for the days when members of her campaign were calling her a hockey mom and Joe Six-Pack.


***In convo with Playbook, a top McCain adviser one-ups the priceless "diva" description, calling Palin "a whack job."
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http://www.politico.com/playbook/
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Whack job. It's a good charge, cause it's true! This is one of my favorite leaks from the anti-Palin forces working for McCain, right up with the claim that she's "going rogue." Like Iran?


I've never seen a breakdown in discipline like this on a presidential campaign. It testifies to McCain's lack of leadership and to the state of his campaign. Knowing they're going to lose, Mittens' kittens are angling for advantage against Palin going into the 2012 primary.


Ah, yes, the coming GOP primary. Fantasize, my friends, with me. It's 2011, Obama and the Democrats in Congress have passed good progressive legislation to help bring us out of recession, institute universal health care, and end our dependence on foreign oil. Our troops are home from Iraq. Then we will all get to sit back and watch Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, and whoever else fight for the right to lose to Obama.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 29, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Palin's sedate version of a ultra-right wing Drill, Baby, Drill stump speech while standing in an alternative energy company reinforces our perception of her as an unqualified, incompetent, and divisive political figure.

Clearly, the significance of Xunlight was lost on her. Xunlight is an example of how partnership between academia, government, and private enterprise can bring economic redevelopment to a depressed state--in fact, Xunlight is one of the few companies in Ohio accepting jobs applications.

This start-up company is also an example of how attractive alternative energy is to investors: venture capitalists have poured tens of millions in capital into Xunlight. "Green Economy" is not a figment of liberal imaginations.

I doubt she impressed her audience--the management team is headed by Ph.D's in energy engineering and a majority of the employees are engineers. The remaining employee are technical/skilled employees who want to see more investment in alternative energy, hence job security.

Academics are very familiar with the public policy affecting their industry. I am sure they noticed her speech was void of policy and riddled with blatant partisan rhetoric.

For the anyone to refer to her address as a "policy" speech is absurd. A policy speech contains the following elements:

1) definition of the policy topic, including statement of the problem(s) and what's at stake;

2) outline of a policy program plan: the what, how, and when
a) statement of guiding principles;
b) description of sequence of proposed actions;
c) identification of primary government and private entities responsible to implement the program
d) identification of economic resources to pay for the program

3) closer: summary of key points and benefits of the policy

As usual, Palin made a fool of herself.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 29, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Is Palin mocking Natalie Wood singing "I'm So Pretty" in West Side Story? ...............

http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/12/sarah-palin-im-so-pretty/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 29, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

LOL! :-D

"

What's wrong? Joe the Plumber can't find a real job?

Posted by: NotBubba | October 29, 2008 12:58 PM "

Thanks so much NotBubba!

See, my comment was going to be that a "Barack" version of Socialism, was NOT going to include any help for the White workers-or non Working!, in our society. Seems we are supposed to already have everything, and that is what's supposed to be redistributed!

Sort of reminds me of the Islamic Nations with all the Oil wealth, NOT helping African Nations of their Islamic Brothers out. That "Charity" Thingy is supposed to be a "Christian" Hang-up!

NotBubba stated PLAINLY the level of sympathy that should be applied to ALL Americans who have recieved decent education and opportunity, have two good legs and two good arms, along with a Head!

GET A JOB!

EARN while you Learn if you have to! Fry cook? Try:Manager Trainee!

Level the Friggin Playing Field! OR, have representatives from every "Minority" group out there who feels they need Special Treatment Sign up an Official Declaration stating:

WE, are to closely related to Monkeys, and have not Evolved enough as a Race;

To be Able to Compete with everyone else!

Print it, SIGN it;

OR, STFU! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | October 29, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Birds of a feather fly together!

Posted by: louismraskin | October 29, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Given that Palin's degree is in journalism, I assume she understands that if a newspaper accepts a video for review from a source on the condition that the tape itself will not be released, it would be wrong to release it.

It is only in politics that it is an accepted practice to promise one thing and deliver another.

Posted by: exco | October 29, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.

A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)

The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."

Posted by: RollaMO | October 29, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin stumping with Joe the plumber? I think we are seeing the GOP ticket for 2012. Talk about intellectual compatibility!

Speaking of the McCain campaign, why are we not hearing more about who was behind the spreading of the Pennslvania McCain campaign worker hoax?

2 reporters have said that the McCain campaign gave them the information about the alleged crime, not the police.

If the Obama campaign had a similar incident it would be on the news nets 24/7.

Read more:

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-are-we-not-learning-more-about-who.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 29, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

. . READ THIS SHORT PIECE BEFORE YOU VOTE

Wall Street Journal's very brief and to the point article on Obama's destructive tax program (spreading the wealth):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122524355079278651.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Posted by: Billw3 | October 29, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Associated Press is reporting that the RNC shelled out $85,000.00 for Joe The Plumber's wardrobe, haircuts, and make-up.

Posted by: Jaxxon | October 29, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's the sraight dope on what this is all about. This an excerpt form last March which apperared in The Nation magazine.

"Klein penned two stories in late February wildly distorting Obama's links, from his days in Chicago, to pro-Palestinian activists like Rashid Khalidi, a respected professor of Middle East studies at Columbia University who previously taught at the University of Chicago (hardly a bastion of left-wing activism). Klein's story goes something like this: Obama sat on the board of a foundation in Chicago that gave a grant to the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), run by Khalidi's wife, which supposedly rejects Israel's existence; and Khalidi directed the PLO's Beirut press office and is a supporter "for Palestinian terror." (In fact, the AAAN focuses solely on social service work in Chicago and takes no position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Khalidi says he was never employed by the PLO; he has been a harsh critic of Palestinian suicide bombings and a longtime supporter of a two-state solution, and he has never been an adviser to Obama. As for Obama's past statements, at least in Chicago, being pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian is not a contradiction in terms.)"

More smear and fear from Palin. Doesn't the Bilble say something about not bearing false witness on thy neighbor?

Posted by: NMModerate1 | October 29, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I felt bad for Joe initially. He was, more or less, thrust into the national spotlight for no real reason. Now, I don't feel bad at all. Doing dozens of nationally televised interviews and actually STUMPING with McCain and Palin? He deserves all the scrutiny and criticism that comes with being a public figure if he's going to embrace his celebrity like this.

And is there another plumber on Earth that is able to take this much time off work? I thought this guy was working hard to save up money and buy the company?

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | October 29, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

From The Nation:

"Klein penned two stories in late February wildly distorting Obama's links, from his days in Chicago, to pro-Palestinian activists like Rashid Khalidi, a respected professor of Middle East studies at Columbia University who previously taught at the University of Chicago (hardly a bastion of left-wing activism). Klein's story goes something like this: Obama sat on the board of a foundation in Chicago that gave a grant to the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), run by Khalidi's wife, which supposedly rejects Israel's existence; and Khalidi directed the PLO's Beirut press office and is a supporter "for Palestinian terror." (In fact, the AAAN focuses solely on social service work in Chicago and takes no position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Khalidi says he was never employed by the PLO; he has been a harsh critic of Palestinian suicide bombings and a longtime supporter of a two-state solution, and he has never been an adviser to Obama. As for Obama's past statements, at least in Chicago, being pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian is not a contradiction in terms.)"

Sounds like more desparate smear and fear - the last refuge of a wretch.

Posted by: NMModerate1 | October 29, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

PAST AS PROLOGUE?

The long lines at the polls open for early voting, combined with sporadic reports of electronic voting machine snafus and a predictable tightening of national polls, presage the Election Day story -- another long day's journey into night?

The Obama-Biden campaign better have kept tens of millions in reserve for legal challenges to alleged voter suppression and vote count irregularities.

Dems may rue the day they failed to press for a legislatively-mandated voter-verified paper trail.

Little has been written about the vitriol of GOP direct mail pieces sent out in recent days. To quote from a mailing from the GOP of PA:

"Barack Obama: Not Who You Think He Is." "Soft on crime."
"He acted more as a friend to criminals than to cops..."

Fear, smear and backroom machinations: Here we go again?


WHAT IF McCAIN-PALIN'S STRATEGY IS AIMED NOT JUST AT VOTERS, BUT AT THE APPARACHIK?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mccain-palins-fellow-traveler-insinuations-what-if-u-s-security-forces-agree

ARE THE McCAIN-PALIN CROWD AGITATORS THE SAME STORMTROOPERS WHO DO THIS:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens

OR http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 29, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong? Joe the Plumber can't find a real job?

Posted by: NotBubba | October 29, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

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