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The Problems with the Ayers Attack



The McCain campaign has tapped vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin to lead the Obama-Ayers attack. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

By Chris Cillizza
John McCain's campaign released a nearly two-minute Web video this morning detailing the connections between Barack Obama and former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers, the latest sign that the campaign is creeping toward using the attack as part of a broader television campaign.

But, even if McCain does eventually incorporate Ayers into a paid media campaign -- as Politico's Mike Allen says he will -- there are several reasons to believe that it is not the silver bullet that some within the Republican Party believe it to be.

First and foremost, the economic crisis that has brought Wall Street and, very nearly, Congress, to its knees has focused voters' attention on their own finances in a way that has drowned out nearly every other issue.

Given the enormity of the economic issue, it's impossible for McCain to "turn the page" (in the words of adviser Greg Strimple) on the economy. The economy is, without doubt, the central battleground of the race today and is almost certain to dominate the political dialogue over the next 26 days.

McCain must find a way to turn the issue of the economy from a net negative for his candidacy into -- at least -- a neutral force before moving on to attacks on Ayers or anything else. Until voters believe McCain understands their struggles and worries on the economy, it's likely they will dismiss as frivolous attacks on Obama's past relationships.

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Both candidates cite the reasons I should vote against the other but there is no way I can do that directly and honestly on a yes only ballot, or even a poll. They should include a NO column so I could vote directly against the one negative attacks persuade me to. The highest net yes wins. The result would be a far more honest reflection of voter sentiment and could help reduce unproductive negative campaigning. What's wrong with an honest vote. But, the politicians have trained us to think we can only vote yes. That should end.

Posted by: Valjean1 | October 12, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

There's much more to this association then an Obama manipulated(lied to) media has us believe.

Ayers is still a radical education professor whose ideas about public school education haven't been vetted and have met with considerable criticism outside of left wing ed. schools.

Ayers is still a close friend of the Obamas...in fact the kick off party for Obama's senate campaign was held in Ayer's and Bernadette Dorhn's house...no ordinary neighbors but fundraisers and advisers.

There are some who claim Barak is heavily conflicted over his 'white' blood; and would drain it out of his body so he could be pure black.

This a major psychological problem in many African-Americans of mixed ancestry, and could well have been he motivating factor in Barak's embrace of Malcolm X's teachings about race.

the more we examine Barak's character; the more we find that is distasteful to 'middle class' americans.

Posted by: poppadata | October 10, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

If I understand correctly, the foundation board that Obama and Ayers both served on is the Annenberg Foundation. If this is correct, then I must say that I have witnessed some of the wonderful work this foundation has done in Appalachian Mountain schools. I have seen wonderful things take place. If Obama and Ayers had anything to do with it, then I think it should be praised. I wish some media outlet would actually look at this foundation and its works, then tell us what is so bad about it.

Posted by: oldwoman | October 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I have a few questions with the Ayres thing. So, Obama sat on a couple of charity boards with Ayres, a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois and a nationally known expert in education theory, a few years back. And this association renders him unfit for public office according to the McCain campaign. So, what about all the professors at U of IL who work with Ayres day-in and day-out, year after year. Are they also unfit for public office? After all, they have had far more consistent contact with this so-called terrorist than Obama ever did.

What about the administration that hired Ayres -- are they suspect because they hired a "terrorist"? Can no person who was in a position of authority at the U of IL ever seek elected office? Is the judgement of the entire Education Department at the University of Illinois now in question?

What about the students? It seems to me that Ayres teaches graduate courses, so, his students would have to select him as a professor. Are all the students who chose to study under Prof. Ayres to be considered dangerous radicals? After all, Ayres students are far more likely to be influenced by him than some guy who attended a few board meetings with him (anyone who's ever been on a board knows that there's not a lot of social interaction on these things).

Now, about about all the educators across the country who may have served with Ayres on a committee, board or conference. Are they, too, suspect? Does it make any difference if these co-committee (board, conference) people were Republicans, since my understanding is that many of them were? How wide is the web that the Republicans want to cast?

Can someone explain to me why this Ayres thing makes sense to anyone? Oh, and while you're at it -- why do the same standards NOT apply to McCain who allowed G. Gordon Liddy, a convicted terrorist, to host a campagin kick-off party for him in 1998, and who has maintained a cordial relationship with Liddy and accepted large campaign contributions (larger than Ayres $200, anyway) from Liddy, and who was a guest on Liddy's radio show as late as November 2007? Do not Republicans have to adhere to the same standards they want to impose on Democrats? Can anyone please explain?

Posted by: beachbabe | October 10, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Ayers is STILL an unrepentant terrorist, that Obama is not just "associated" with him but worked closely with him (not at age 8 but as an adult) fails to register with democrats.

The fact that Obama is a radical leftist, a socialist, who follows many principles of Marxism, fails to register with democrats.

That's not scare tactics. That's facts.

If the facts scare you, tough. Live with it.

OK, so you don't like Bush. Do you actually like socialist meltdown of Venezuela, France, Russia, etc etc any better? That's what Obama is aiming for.

McCain is the only one willing to push against BOTH R and D parties.

Posted by: MrPete | October 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Everyone already know that this Ayers kind of nasty tactic of McCain-Palin is a LIE and has been investigated, rendered FALSE, and debunked many times. But I guess if one has an evil heart, if one is unqualified to be VP and president, and whose campaign is in the toilet; then I guess it's the only thing one can try to dig up.

If they want to focus their attention and energy in this direction, if they rather "turn the page on the economy," then I hope ALL of the American people will completely reject them.


No weapon forged against you [ Barack Obama] will prevail, and you [ Barack Obama] will refute every tongue that accuses you [ Barack Obama] . This is the heritage of the servants [ Barack Obama] of the LORD, and this is their [ Barack Obama] vindication from me," declares the LORD. - Isaiah 54:17

" I [ God ] will send my terror ahead of you [ Barack Obama] and throw into confusion every nation you [ Barack Obama] encounter. I [ God ] will make all your [ Barack Obama] enemies turn their backs and run." - Exodus 23:27

The Lord will rescue me [ Barack Obama] from every evil attack and will bring me [ Barack Obama] safely to his heavenly kingdom. - 2 Timothy 4:18

11 For he will command his angels concerning you [ Barack Obama] to guard you [ Barack Obama ] in all your ways; 12 they will lift you [ Barack Obama ] up in their hands, so that you [ Barack Obama ] will not strike your [his] foot against a stone. 13 You [ Barack Obama ] will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you [ Barack Obama ] will trample the great lion and the serpent. - Psalm 91:11-13

I have given you [ Barack Obama ] authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you [ Barack Obama ]. - Luke 10:19

It's time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It's time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It's time for REAL change in Washington, it's time to elect Barack Obama for president !

Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !

Amen.

Posted by: Obama44thpres | October 10, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

As a foreign observer, I think this history about prof.Ayers is ridiculous. So, any teacher of Illinois University can be a "terrorist" pal, if at any moment of his life has seated on a board with Ayers.
Obama also has another pals, as: Woody Allen, Barbra Streisand, Steven Spielberg, Spike Lee, David Lynch, Paul Austen, Martin Scorsese, Julia Roberts, Scarlett Johanson, Madona, Jessica Lange, Susan Sarandon, Natalie Portman, Annete Benning, Helen Hunt, Robert de Niro, George Clooney, Tom Hanks, Will Smith, Leo Di Caprio, Matt Damon, Morgan Freeman, Warren Beatty, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Eddie Vedder, James Taylor and so on. By chance all of them are "terrorists"? Or stupids?
Hey Republicans: stop your hate... Or throw a party with KKK.

Posted by: brazilianRio | October 10, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

IS IT TRUE?

That the group Sarah Palin and her husband associated with "AIP" (Alaskan Independent Party) asked "IRAN" to sponsor them?

YES, THAT IRAN!

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | October 10, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Watch the highlights and, outtakes from debates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA3xIEes6Q4
http://www.watchdebate.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 10, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Watch McCain Drop the F- Bomb, The F- Word over and over to a reporter. I think he is losing it.
http://www.mccanes.com

See Obama Call out McCain, http://www.theobamaplan.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 10, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

I have been a Reagan Country Orange County, CA Republican for over 40 years.

Sarah Palin is an absolute embarrassing disgrace and so is her and Mc Cain’s cheap 7th grade, running for the student body rhetoric to discredit Obama. They have abandoned party and human dignity with respect and left behind the customary, above the fray level of intellect, where more coherent articulation of addressing important issues in ways that can’t be successfully rebutted, would always win the day and the election.

To reach down and grovel in the pig trough is beneath any true Republican I have ever known, and only serves to elevate Obama. Besides, after what President George W. Bush did to this country over the last 8 years, and as leader of the Republican party to adopt the 5th plank of the Marxist doctrine to socialize the financial markets, and what Mc Cain wants to do with buying up mortgages, represents a political party I don't recognize, but Red would be the right color; only the hammer and sickle are missing and is in name only. Mc Cain must of become the real Manchurian Candidate when locked up in the Hanoi Hilton and I take liberty to say this as a former Viet Nam Vet myself.

What we really have since the death of Ronald Reagan is a Republicrat Congress and Executive Branch in the Federal government.

Which is why I lean to Nader this time around who will finally clean up this mess in Washington DC.

Posted by: R2D2-51 | October 10, 2008 4:54 AM | Report abuse

I have been a Reagan Country Orange County, CA Republican for over 40 years.

Sarah Palin is an absolute embarrassing disgrace and so is her and Mc Cain’s cheap 7th grade, running for the student body rhetoric to discredit Obama. They have abandoned party and human dignity with respect and left behind the customary, above the fray level of intellect, where more coherent articulation of addressing important issues in ways that can’t be successfully rebutted, would always win the day and the election.

To reach down and grovel in the pig trough is beneath any true Republican I have ever known, and only serves to elevate Obama. Besides, after what President George W. Bush did to this country over the last 8 years, and as leader of the Republican party to adopt the 5th plank of the Marxist doctrine to socialize the financial markets, and what Mc Cain wants to do with buying up mortgages, represents a political party I don't recognize, but Red would be the right color; only the hammer and sickle are missing and is in name only. Mc Cain must of become the real Manchurian Candidate when locked up in the Hanoi Hilton and I take liberty to say this as a former Viet Nam Vet myself.

What we really have since the death of Ronald Reagan is a Republicrat Congress and Executive Branch in the Federal government.

Which is why I lean to Nader this time around who will finally clean up this mess in Washington DC.

Posted by: R2D2-51 | October 10, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

This John McCain-Sarah Palin combine will never understand their own role in this presidential election and are continuing to distract Americans with their never-ending lies. They should simply be told to shut up. Wonder still there are people in America who support this bunch of incompetent liars. ... God save America, from McCain-Palin!

Posted by: AnjuChandel | October 10, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Go ahead John, keep it up. Your giving us the election on a silver platter you schmuck.

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 10, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

To the last few republicans who continue to say there's not much to worry about having Palin a heartbeat away from holding the button to bring on her much desired "Rapture", be aware that even if McGeezer only has a brain fart, he's out on the street, and she's in the oval office.

If the Snowbillie ever manages to get herself winking self into the white house, it's going to take years to get that smell out of there, and even more to get that mobile home of hers moved out of the backyard.

www.boskolives.wordpress.com

Posted by: bosko2 | October 10, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

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"Ah gits sooo skeeeered 'bout Beel Ayers, don' want no torrorist fu presden'."
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You see, this scare-stuff is really a very effective tactic.
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Posted by: T-Prop | October 10, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Obama was 8 years old when Ayers did what he did doesn't seem to register with the republicans, but how old was McGeezer when the Keating 5 deal went down? How old was he when he sang like a bird and did filmed promos for the Vietnamese? When he didn't follow procedures and keep his hands together on the eject pull bar so his arms wouldn't get broken? And how does the ability of Palin to see Russia not make her a suspect in Soviet issues in Georgia? It all hooks up.
www.boskolives.wordpress.com

Posted by: bosko2 | October 10, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

philip534: that sounds like some GREAT clip-art. Where do I get it?

Posted by: 2Funny | October 9, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

If you don't think power corrupts take a good look at John McCain. He is physically addicted to it. Most men his age would be satisfied with a 26 year career in the senate. But no, not "that one".
He wants power so badly that getting it justifies any and all means to that end.
McCain dodders around telling whatever lies they give him to mouth, no matter how foul. He spouts fear, incites ethnic and racial hatred at every oportunity. No matter that people are worried and fearful enough that they will be unable to pay their bills and feed their family.
McCain offers no real help to these people.
His concern is for the people who have corrupted him, Oil company executives, Banking and Insurance company C.E.O.s and now Military Arms Manufacturers.
"power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
Don't let "That One" get absolute power.

Posted by: seemstome | October 9, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"An investigation into Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of her public safety commissioner can proceed, Alaska's Supreme Court ruled Thursday, clearing the way for a Friday report to the state Legislature on the issue.
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has denied wrongdoing in the July departure of her public safety commissioner.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has denied wrongdoing in the July departure of her public safety commissioner.

Allies of Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, had sued to halt the Legislature-initiated investigation, saying the investigation is an attempt by Democrats to sabotage the GOP ticket.

The justices unanimously upheld an Anchorage judge's ruling last week that dismissed the Republican lawsuit and upheld subpoenas for top Palin associates."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/palin.investigation/index.html

Posted by: nowanna3 | October 9, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Mccain = deregulation = did it really work?

mccain = economy failure = is his plan

mccain = erratic

mccain = 73, ol' coot, angry, senile = MR. GRUMPY

mccain = arrogant and out of touch

mccain = oblivious to 99 % of the country’s citizens and their problems = euroBud for Joe Six-pack

mccain = NO HEALTHCARE = or in his words = trade $12,000 real insurance for his $5,000 failure to insure = SAY WHAT????

Posted by: benighse | October 9, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that the bogus "Ayres attack" keeps getting repeated in the press, but the absolutely authentic connection McCain has to the U.S. Council for World Freedom, with its support for right-wing death squads, is hardly mentioned?

The AP ran the story--see below--and the Post linked to it but didn't headline it. The New York Times didn't pick it up at all.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/06/politics/p212035D66.DTL&hw=death+squads&sn=001&sc=1000

Posted by: NoraS | October 9, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The People Who Struck The Match, Set The Fire, and Fanned the Flames Which Are Burning Our Economy To The Ground Are Conspiring To Shift Blame And Avoid Jail Time. And One Of Them Is Set To Be Our Next Attorney General.

The Major Players Including Jamie Goerlick, Franklin Raines, Daniel Mudd, and Jim Johnson are at the heart of this meltdown.

Aided By Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Chuck Schummer, Henry Waxman, Maxine Waters, Artur Davis, Gregory Meeks, Lacy Clay, Harry Reid, John Kerry, Barrack Obama, and Nancy Pelosi.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

These people owe the American People an explanation, an apology, and perhaps some jail time. Don't take your eye off of the ball. These are the people who lit the match and fanned the flames. One Of The Players, Jamie Goerlick is set to be our next attorney General. We simply CAN'T let this happen or they will all go free.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=67068

And You Can't Dismiss Acorns Involvement In The Melt Down. Acorn Was Heavily Involved In Pressuring Banks To Make Less Than Credit Worthy Loans In Economically Depressed Areas.


http://www.onenewsnow.com/Blog/Default.aspx?id=279960

Posted by: gdodd414 | October 9, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

For 12 of the last 14 years republicans have been in charge of the senate and the house. For 8 years of that time Bush has been president. That makes congressional republicans 86% responsible for the sub prime lending oversight during their stay. Bush is 57% responsible using that criteria.
This is true and logical. You cannot be in charge and yet be blameless.
Republicans have initiated and passed the legislation.
Time to face the ugly truth at the voting booth.

Posted by: seemstome | October 9, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

McSame has tried to pull his trick of accusing Obama of exactly what McSame is doing a few times too often. Here he is trying to smear Obama by association (a very weak one, at that) while accusing Obama of dishonesty. In fact, McSame’s explanation of why his campaign keeps bringing up Ayers is dishonest. It’s clearly just an effort to tarnish Obama. McSame has repeatedly tried the same tactic before. For example, he accused Obama of injecting politics into negotiations over the first version of the bailout bill when it was actually McSame who was injecting politics into the process. It didn’t work before and it won’t work this time.

Posted by: B0N0B0 | October 9, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign is nothing but a smoke screen of lies, innuendos and half-truths. I feel like I need a bath after watching Palin & McCain spout their venom. I imagine slimy, nasty things falling from their mouths. Personally, I think John McCain still has unresolved issues regarding the abandonment of his father and his attempt to make it up by following his dad into the Navy. Why is he so angry? And why does he hate Obama so much? Is it just that he feels it is unfair for someone new on the political scene to move so far so fast? Is it racial? Is it that Obama is so much more popular than he? Perhaps he should look at Obama's campaign, demeanor and programs and try to learn.

Posted by: nanlwar | October 9, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign is nothing but a smoke screen of lies, innuendos and half-truths. I feel like I need a bath after watching Palin & McCain spout their venom. I imagine slimy, nasty things falling from their mouths. Personally, I think John McCain still has unresolved issues regarding the abandonment of his father and his attempt to make it up by following his dad into the Navy. Why is he so angry? And why does he hate Obama so much? Is it just that he feels it is unfair for someone new on the political scene to move so far so fast? Is it racial? Is it that Obama is so much more popular than he? Perhaps he should look at Obama's campaign, demeanor and programs and try to learn.

Posted by: nanlwar | October 9, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

its not who was 8 years old at the time thats just misdirection its the fact that they are both extremist they both hate america both want to change it they have a lot in common and its seems that name keeps showing up with extremist they say hope and change to what talk is cheep

Posted by: getsix1 | October 9, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to give Sen McCain and Gov Palin the benefit of the doubt but it seems to me that they are spreading hate throughout the country with their speeches. Say it ain't disgustingly so!

Sen Obama and Sen Biden are attacking the issues and trying to bring the country together.

I heard on CNN yesterday that 100% of Sen McCain's ads are negative versus less than 30% of Sen Obama's ads. Who has better leadership?

Posted by: papaedde | October 9, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

regan never went for hand outs he was for earn your own way it was clinton that was for give a house for a vote

Posted by: getsix1 | October 9, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Ayers: Is This Picture in Focus?

The press has shown great concern about the Obama/Ayers connection, but mainly from the point of view that it "muddies the water", and should be avoided. Please think about the Obama/Ayers relationship via the following "mind exercise". Here are the steps:

(1) Take all that you KNOW about the Obama/Ayers relationship...
(2) Take all that you BELIEVE about the Obama/Ayers relationship...
(3) Take all that you have READ about the Obama/Ayers relationship...
(4) Take all of that information, all of that knowledge, and in your "mind's eye"...
(5) Place that into a PICTURE.
(6) Next, REMOVE Ayers from that picture...
(7) and REPLACE Ayers with one of two persons:

PERSON #1: A K.K.K. terrorist from the 1940s who lynched blacks (when John McCain was a young boy)

PERSON #2: An anti-abortion terrorist from the 1970s who bombed women's health clinics (when Sarah Palin was a young girl)

Lastly...Take a look at THAT picture, repeat THAT picture...Ask yourself...Would you be as uninterested about THAT picture as you are about the Obama/Ayers picture?

I believe you would NOT be as uninterested.
I think you would NOT be as unconcerned.
I hope you would NOT be as cavalier.
I pray you would NOT be as apathetic.

Posted by: philip534 | October 9, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Reagen tanked our economy, Bush Sr put us in a recession and Bush Jr has flat out DESTROYED the USA financially, you Republicans SUCK, plain and simple. NO MORE!!!!!!! NO way NO how, NO McCain, NO Palin!!!

Posted by: Hillary08 | October 9, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

When I was a Professor of Political Science and Education at the University of Chicago I lived in the Hyde Park-Kenwood neighborhood where Ayers and Barak Obama live and I was very familiar with school reform movements in Chicago and served on many civic and educational
boards and advisory groups. The charges that the Republican candidates are making seem preposterous to me.

When you are on one of these groups, you don't go around investigating what your fellow members did when you were eight years old. If there is a billionaire businessman who committed some kind of fraud decades ago, he is simply looked on as someone who wants to help and is willing to come to a 7:30 AM meeting in the Loop and do something. Boards are not about personal confessions or forgiveness or endorsement of the lives of fellow members. They are about coming together, usually in limited ways, to move some set of issues or programs forward. There are not enough people willing to take on the terrible problems of a weak school system in a city with massive social problems. People with knowledge and skills or money are welcomed. Being on a board with someone has nothing to say about making a personal judgment about the character and history of every other board member. Most people who do this are extremely busy and have very little time to develop any serious personal relationship with any other board member. Membership only implies that one shares some general goals and wants to help with a set of problems or support a civic organization.

Bill Ayers reputation was far from radical--that of a good serious mainstream reformer, a respected researcher willing to devote time to real world work on schools, concerned about things like better teacher training. The project where he and Obama served on the same board was a mainstream effort founded with funds from a leading GOP Nixon appointee and millionaire and, to my mind, was too bureaucratic and too close to the Chicago Public Schools. There was nothing radical about it, though some fine people were involved.

This is simply a disgraceful effort to distract voters from the real issues and smear a candidate though guilt by association, a time-tested GOP tactic.
I hope people will be sophisticated enough to see right through it. The fact that Bill Ayers did something crazy many years ago has precisely zero relationship to who should be president and they should suspect that those who are desperately trying to fool them about this don't have much to say about solving the country's truly urgent problems. This is a smoke screen. It is time for Toto to pull back the curtain and to let us see the sad politician in his last campaign trying to pump up a terrible image to hide the fact that he has nothing to say that people will believe any more.

Gary Orfield
Prof. of Education, Law, Political Science
and Urban Planning

Posted by: orfielga | October 9, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, gilf-friend? Seriously?

Where to begin with this one! Are you clearly so blind that you do not see what has been happening over the past eight+ years. Do you not see the level of manipulation that has taken place? Do you not see the corruption of your very rights before your eyes? There is a saying, "if you are not outraged, then you haven't been paying attention." Clearly, you have not been paying attention. I really feel sorry for you, because if you ever face reality, which I am not sure you can, your very understanding of how the world works will be threatened.

First and foremost, "95.4% of you probably have jobs." Since January, almost a MILLION people have lost their jobs, and that does not count those poor souls that lost work last year but won't be able to get unemployment extended through this downturn, because Bush vetoed that bill.

Secondly, you must live in a nice neighborhood, because 95% of the teenagers in my neighborhood don't own cell phones. If they do, its usually so they can keep track of their kids because they have to go to two and three jobs to keep food on the table and clothes on those kids' backs. Many of those kids also have to work after school as well to help pay the bills. But they should be thankful, because they have running water through lead pipes they can't afford to replace and electricity they are starting not to be able to afford as well. Oh, that's right and heat in the winter. Since most of the houses in my neighborhood use oil, I am not sure what this winter is going to look like. Last year it cost over $2,500 to heat for the winter, and that is supposed to go up by 23% this year. But then I guess I am supposed to jump for joy about that. Thanks Bush, I am SO grateful for your lack of a true energy policy!! Yippee!!

Thirdly, I think that it is pretty lame to compare the richest country in the world to one of the poorest countries in the world and demand that we should be grateful that those poorest among us can walk into a store and see more food on the shelves then Darfur in a year. That is great and all, but when you can only afford to walk out with barely the basics, if you are lucky, because the prices have tripled in the last month, it hardly feels like you are lucky. But then, I take it from your post that you wouldn't know anything about that.

By the way, the word is spelled C-U-I-S-I-N-E. And the reason there are so many types in this country, is because we a multinational population. It is hard to grasp your understanding of that from your post. That is something that I am grateful for. I am also grateful that I live in a neighbor that is more like mine and not like yours, because it is so multinational and rich with community and the understanding that we are each others' keepers and that when one of us falls, we all fall. But then, I am not sure you would understand that.

Now, the meat of your argument that really riled me. The "all volunteer military" that you so proudly proclaimed has been misused and abused by this Administration is ways never seen before.

We were conned, YOU WERE CONNED, all of us were conned. Every last American citizen and even those in other countries that believed in Bush, because, after all, we are the United States of America, we are the shining city on the hill, we are the ultimate fighters for truth and justice. Our government would never, could never do anything so dishonorable as to lie its way into a war with a country that didn't do anything to us. Welp, they did. They lied and John McCain was sitting right beside them spouting garbage from his mouth. People tried to stop them from going to war, and all of them were character assassinated as liars (the same way they are trying to character assassinate Obama now with this Ayers-crude). Over 60,000 people have died in Iraq, innocent people, collateral damage, they call it. Bush murdered over 60,000 people, and that number I state is from his own mouth two years ago.

This all volunteer military is a lie as well. The US force is made up some elements of the Army and the National Guard. I repeat the NATIONAL GUARD. You know, the people that volunteered to defend America on American soil. The first two years of the war were a disaster because these people were weekend warriors trained to deal with domestic issues, not fight in wars abroad, but Bush didn't have the numbers and they didn't want to draft, so that pulled these guys in and sent them overseas to invade a sovereign nation that had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

Another element of our current "volunteer" military, hired militia. Ever heard of Black Water? These guys are basically hired guns, that the government is paying to supplement functions that cannot be performed by troops, because they are needed elsewhere, like protect dignitaries. Prior to the surge, these chaps were getting killed left and right. Black Water has also been used in house raids to find "bad guys." There are so many scandals surrounding these guys right now, it is sick.

Another element of our "all volunteer" military, no-bid-cost-plus-private contractors. Yeppers, these guys charge us taxpayers 5 to 10 times that amount that a grunt would cost for the same job and then do shotty work. Ever heard of KBR? At least three troops have been electrocuted because KBR didn't ground the wiring right when it built some showers for the troops. This is work that used to go to the troops, but because we don't have enough troops to do the work, we have to outsource it.

John McCain had a hand in all of this, not to mention his hand in the last bailout that was needed to save our banking industry, and this is the guy you feel safe with. The guy that said maybe we should be in Iraq for 50 to 100 years. Really? You tell me to take a look around. Man, I think you need to take you Bush-colored glasses off your face and face some reality, because you have to be the lowest information voter that has written anything in this blog all day.

You refusal to see reality during this time in history truly leaves me stunned. I really pitty you.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Ayers:

Consider if Ayers had been an Arab Palestinian, but who
had never murdered, would the media extend the same
indulgence? I'm thinking of Hillary's kiss. Hypocrisy
of course and for purpose. What a good bar of soap would
cure.

Posted by: 3rd-PartyAdovcate | October 9, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, it appears that McCain is the one who we thought we knew but really didn't.

I don't know anyone who actually likes and respects John McCain any longer.

Everyone I know voting for McCain---I mean absolutely everyone---admits that the only reason they're voting for him is because they dislike and distrust Barack Obama more.

You can't win with a coalition of the angry, the fearful and the suspicious, John. Most people don't want to be a part of that.

Is that all you have at the end of this road, Mr. McCain?

Posted by: snesich | October 9, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow - a whole new low. Further proof that Mr. McCain and Mrs. Palin are above absolutely nothing. Mr. Obama better watch his back.

McCain/Palin have no class, no dignity, no moral, no conscience, no nothing but the desperate desire to squeeze every ounce of exploitation out of any tidbit they can find.

Leadership my *ss.

Posted by: ngeisler | October 9, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain's moral cowardice has been one of the subtexts of this campaign ever since he wound up the nomination and turned his attention to Barack Obama. But I did not realize it would reveal itself in such a physical dimension and that McCain would be so desperate as to act like it really means anything (it doesn't and McCain knows it).


The tell came this week as McCain unearthed the Ayers story which, for whatever its merits, was fully aired months ago and has no clear relation to the particulars of October other than McCain's collapsing poll numbers. He's on it. Palin's on it. He's releasing slashing new TV ads like this one. Both of them are ginning their crowds up into spiraling gyres of right-wing delirium -- a ready-made Lord of the Flies (and let's admit that's a gentle allusion, given the tone of these barnburners) if Obama happened into one of the auditoriums at the wrong moment.


McCain even swaggered on for a couple days about how he was going to 'take the gloves off' when he met up with Obama in Nashville. But when the two of them were there in each others physical presence ... nothing. By a myriad of gestures and reactions Obama owned him.


Nor is it a matter of shifting off the tactics, because as soon as McCain made his hasty retreat from the stage at Debate #2 he was right back at it. In every other aspect of life, high and low, refined and unlovely, we have a word for that kind of behavior: cowardice.


And now Obama can taunt McCain with that very cowardice, his inability to just say it to his face. And if my take on the inner workings of McCain's mind at the moment is right that should simply unhinge him even more.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The Maverick becomes Madman. That makes me remember when I used to play domino. I used to be mad when I was losing. America, can Gov. Palin and Sen. McCain help solve America's problems? We can not eat and put gas in our car and losing our house. Help us, give us hope how you can help us.

Posted by: dsagesse | October 9, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin Playing The "Terrorist" Card Goes Beyond Mere Campaign Sleaze!!!


I'm not sure what it would take to convince Palin and McCain that insinuating another candidate for the presidency might somehow be a secret terrorist is a very, very bad idea. America has had plenty of experience with right-wing militia nuts and paranoid loners over the last few decades; it should be transparently obvious that sneeringly inciting crowds to such an extent is a dangerous game for Palin and McCain to be playing. Palin, especially, should be damn well aware of it, given her and her husband's past uncomfortable closeness to militia figures in Alaska.


To put it plainly, inciting right wing crowds to consider an American presidential candidate a "terrorist" isn't merely dirty politics or otherwise unseemly -- it comes uncomfortably close to implicitly encouraging actual violence. And that "uncomfortably close" part is putting the most charitable possible face on it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E
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I'm sure there's no way we can make them stop, or even tone down their at this point intensely personalized, intensely spiteful rhetoric. They are immune to shame, or even common sense; this is the last desperate hour of the McCain campaign, and Palin was selected specifically because she could make these sorts of sleazy, least-common-denominator appeals to a far-right base that needs it, in order to feel good about voting for McCain.


But I think an adequate karmic retribution for Palin would be, if and when Obama is elected, for her to be made his personal assistant and be ankle-chained to him every time he leaves the White House -- so that whatever happens to Obama during his presidency happens to her as well. Maybe then she'd gain a shred of introspection into how much you should or shouldn't actively incite dumbarse, already paranoid, explicitly racist Republican crowds into thinking that an American president is an enemy of the state.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuSYHnVpYbs
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Mccainites!


Your hair's on fire!!!


and so is your party.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, based on what I am hearing from McCain, Palin and their supporters is that they do not support having an educated population. Apparently being intellectual and having a constitutional law degree from an Ivy League school is bad - almost criminal. So bad, in fact it should disqualify anyone from running for political office because being educated, especially at one of America’s premier higher education institutions god forbid puts one out of touch with the "American people". However, being a University of Idaho Joe six-pack is a qualifying characteristic, one to be admired and copied by children of all ages. Boys and girls go out and get yerself a six-pack, drop out of school because education don’t matter, go ahead and get pregnant but promise to marry your boyfriend and you'll be a huge success in America – admired by millions of America’s most conservative, god-fearing citizens.

Thanks, John and Sarah. Your wicked little campaign just made us lose years of work in getting kids interested in education, off alcohol, and understanding that college is the best path to success. Not only are you whipping your crowds into a fanatic frenzy and making them shout they want to kill Obama you’re also encouraging their children to quit school and drink beer. Great job.

Posted by: JustWondering8 | October 9, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Anyone seen the new ad from McCain's camp on Ayers? Wow! What a load of b***s***!

http://www.youtube.com/user/JohnMcCaindotcom

I like the fact that they wanted to get at least one news org cited in the ad that was NOT owned by a right-wing supporter of McCain, so they chose to cite the AP for stating that Obama was the "board's first chairman." That is really pathetic and desperate.

They keep calling them "friends," yet that is the one fact they can't back up.

I hope the Obama camp puts out an ad tying McCain to this org as well and puts this inanity to rest. We have an economy to save!

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is it all you people are so unhappy about? Is it that we have electricity and running water 24/7? Is it we have air in the summer and heat in the winter? Maybe that 95.4% of you have a job.
I'll bet its the fact that you all can walk into a store and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in a year. I would think having thousands of restaurants with varying quisine from around the globe has to be maddening. Or maybe that we have emergency workers to provide us with immediate services when needed. Look around at what you do have people, all this in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. We live in neighborhoods where 90% of teenagers own cell phones and computers. How about the religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world. Maybe thats what has you folks so miserable. Why dont you people quit complaining about what you dont have and be grateful for what you do have. You criticize President Bush - the guy who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11. The guy that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession. Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for keeping all you spoiled, ungrateful brats safe from terrorists. The commander in chief of an ALL VOLUNTEER military that is out there defending us. They didnt have to go, there is no draft. I'm quite sure they know what the army represents when they enlist. Why are you people so unhappy?
Because the media said you should be????
Take a look around people, be thankful for what you do have and say thanks to God for all we HAVE as a country. John McCain may be old but I feel safe with someone who has that many more years of knowledge and wisdom. GO HOCKEY MOMS!!!!

Posted by: gilf-friend | October 9, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

This campaign has not only "taken their gloves off", they have taken off the mask of the Republican Party.

I have long wondered in disbelief how and where they found their candidates, i.e., a movie star, an owner of a baseball team, and this completely unqualified woman this time around. I concluded that, for some reason, this party just did not have many "smart" people in their pool.

I also wondered how "abortion" could, all these many years, trump all other issues that sustain life and how that one issue could be a measure of one's morality, spirituality, and patriotism.

I wondered how everyone in that party looked like, spoke alike even when they did not make common sense, and acted alike, especially in Congress, where there were few instances of dissent, with the exception of Chuck Hagel.

I think I understand now that it was all part of their "final solution" to the progressiveness of the 60's in the area of civil rights, womens rights, human rights, economic advancement of the majority of peoples, social policies such as Medicare, anything that promoted quality of life and that would equalize the classes and provide more opportunity for all. It is hardly socialism, as it was regulated capitalism that motivated people to achieve equality.

I am sorely disturbed by what I have learned because, with the mask off, it is clear. The "terrorism" and the "secrets" of Obama are of less concern to me than the blatant terrorism of hate and bigotry and violence that I am witnessing in this political campaign. I am 65 yrs old and the only time I saw an elected official incite mobs of hatred and violence was by Governor Wallace. That civil unrest was during the enforcement of Constitutional Law. This is in a political campaign to determine the leadership and the direction of this country at home and abroad.

I cannot place world peace, economic security, equal rights---our entire Constitution---in the hands and at the mercy of these people who can be dismissed as derranged and corrupt, but, who are dangerous and who have hijacked the Constitutional freedoms to advance their sick and outdated ideology in the name of religion, morality, patriotism, and the advancement of democracy throughout the world. It has seeped too deeply throughout the country with many movements such as The American Enterprise Institute and others, actually, too numerous to mention, that are not "harmless" enterprises, but, rather, part of the strategy to dismantle our government and our country as we have known it and to fashion it into their "perfect society" as defined by their distortion of values that have made America who she is---or was?

The "Change" Barack Obama speaks about grows more intensely clear to me with each day. For someone who came late to this movement, it has been a choice I have made based on admiration and respect for Hillary but, more importantly, a thoughtful process to "figure it out for myself". Every day, it grows easier and easier to figure it out. It is fitting that, at this time, in this moment, in this country, this is the person who may be able to not only change the logistics and the policies in Washington, but to restore our moral compass right here at home.

May God protect him. And may all of those people with so much hate and fear in their hearts find some peace and a renewal of the goodness they had before they were exploited and manipulated to advance a cause they could not possible endorse.

Posted by: nana4 | October 9, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who knew Ayers should given the death penalty.
Anyone who worked in the same building should be sent to prison.
Anyone who knowingly saw his name in print and did not make the sign of the cross, should have their legs chopped off.

You conservatives are pathetic.

Posted by: portwes | October 9, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Maverick McCain and his crotch-scratchin', beer-belchin', joe six-pack sidekick, Palin.

Posted by: VotingObamaBiden08 | October 9, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Ew, Johnnie Mccain, this has just GOT to hurt----your own people?!?!?!?!

"......McCain's neocon makeover is so extreme that Republican generals like Colin Powell and Brent Scowcroft have refused to endorse their party's nominee.

"The fact of the matter is his judgment about what to do in Iraq was wrong," says Richard Clarke, who served as Bush's counterterrorism czar until 2003. "He hung out with people like Ahmad Chalabi.

He said Iraq was going to be easy, and he said we were going to war because of terrorism. We should have been fighting in Afghanistan with more troops to go after Al Qaeda. Instead we're at risk because of the mistaken judgment of people like John McCain."....."

From his own party. There you have it.


Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

When Democrats disagree with pro-McCain arguments, they either call you some colorful names or claim their Intellectual superiority.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 9, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Once Reagan is associated with Ayers, no matter how remote, they'll drop this canard like a hot potato."

All you need to do is inform them that Republicans gave Ayers fifty million dollars, which means if they make Obama a terrorist sympathizer, they make certain Reagan republicans terrorist financiers. (Walter Annenberg passed away years ago, but there are Republicans alive today who have much, much closer ties to Ayers than Obama ever did. Needless to say, they are keeping very quiet.)

Posted by: jmcgill1 | October 9, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Hope Mccain doesn't lose his TEMPER over this one:

""I'm sure John McCain loves his country," says Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar under Bush.

"But loving your country and lying to the American people are apparently not inconsistent in his view."

OUCH--his own peeps!!!!

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats have been desperate and found someone by the name Barack Hussein Obama. They don't care if he has been with radicals or anything. They take advantage of the economy and war to take the White House.
Barack Hussein Obama = Jimmy Cater"

Where to even begin with this one? I'm curious about this 'Cater' guy. Maybe you mean James Earl Carter Jr. also known as Jimmy Carter. Maybe you are using your ignorance and bigotry to try to make a point, but have failed utterly, descending into self-parody; in a symbolic representation of the disaster that the McCain candidacy has become. Maybe you are mouthing the words as you read this post.

Posted by: tweldy | October 9, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Democrats have been desperate and found someone by the name Barack Hussein Obama. They don't care if he has been with radicals or anything. They take advantage of the economy and war to take the White House.
Barack Hussein Obama = Jimmy Cater

Posted by: nononsense3 | October 9, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

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Hey low-information voter, do some research and figure out who you are really supporting. We are in the mists of the greatest economic downturn in history and here is the team you maverickey presidential candidate thought would be best to steer this ship:

Phil Graham, who think this downturn is just all in our minds and we need to emotionally get over it.

Kevin Hassett, who thought the prosperity fo the 90's would just keep going and going and that the DJIA would be at 36,000 by now. Oh boy!

Carlie Fiorina, ex-CEO of HP, who was not only shown the door after her failed stewardship of that company, but was publicly lambasted for her incompetence. She is also the McCain supporter that does think either McCain or Palin could run a company as well as she could. Wow, that is frightening.

Nancy Pfotenhauer, an oil exec. (just to keep some continuity in the White House.)

Donald Luskin, who a college dropout (his admission) and NOT an economist with no background in economy.

Doug Holtz-Eakin, of McCain-invented-the-Blackberry fame.

Arthur Laffer, who is by far the most entertaining of them all. This guy believes that you can bleed blood from a stone (so to speak).

This is the team of mavericks you are so ardently supporting. Well, good for you. Submit your vote for the D-team. I'll submit mind for the A-team.

I'm voting for Thatone.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

For 12 of the last 14 years republicans have been in charge of the senate and the house. For 8 years of that time Bush has been president. That makes congressional republicans 86% responsible for the sub prime lending oversight during their stay. Bush is 57% responsible using that criteria.
This is true and logical. You cannot be in charge and yet be blameless.
Republicans have initiated and passed the legislation.
Time to face the ugly truth at the voting booth.

Posted by: seemstome | October 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Response to McCain Campaign Ayers sleeze:

RCP Average 10/01 - 10/08 -- 49.1 43.5 Obama +5.6

Gallup Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 2761 RV 52 41 Obama +11

Rasmussen Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 3000 LV 50 45 Obama +5

Hotline/FD Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 852 LV 47 41 Obama +6

Reuters/CSpan/Zogby Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 1203 LV 48 44 Obama +4

GW/Battleground Tracking 10/05 - 10/08 800 LV 48 45 Obama +3

NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/04 - 10/05 658 RV 49 43 Obama +6

CBS News 10/03 - 10/05 616 LV 48 45 Obama +3

CNN 10/03 - 10/05 694 LV 53 45 Obama +8

Ipsos/McClatchy 10/02 - 10/06 858 RV 47 40 Obama +7

Democracy Corps (D) 10/01 - 10/05 1000 LV 49 46 Obama +3

Electoral College:
RCP Electoral Count 277 158 Obama +119

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Posted by: skolniks | October 9, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

So the Annenberg Challenge Project was funded by the Annenberg Foundationt, which was founded by late Republican ambassador and philanthropist Walter Annenberg.

On Wednesday morning, John McCain's campaign released a list of 100 former ambassadors endorsing the GOP presidential nominee.

Second on the list is Leonore Annenberg, currently the president and chairman of the Annenberg Foundation and widow of Walter Annenberg. Ms. Annenberg was herself the "chief of protocol" at the State Department under President Reagan.

So since we're playing the guilt by association game, it would be fair to say that McCain has welcomed the endorsement of a "terrorist"

Posted by: patwal1 | October 9, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Wall Street on life support, check-out the funny pic I put in my blog.

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com

Posted by: dcpsychic | October 9, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The McCain needs to reach out to his core supporters. Perhaps he should burn a cross at the end of each rally.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 9, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain has recently said that what really matters regarding Ayers- this "guilt by association" BS- is whether or not Obama has ever lied.

So based on McCain's logic, it is equally fair to look at McCain's dishonorable past.

This isn't "guilt by association". This is McCain himself.

MCCAIN LIED TO AND CHEATED ON his first wife, who was disabled in a car accident. He cheated on her. That's dishonest and dishonorable. He applied for his and Cindy's marriage license while still married to his poor first wife.

That is proof that McCain is a LIAR AND A CHEAT.

McCain has a history of being abusive against women.

McCain has a history of violence.

McCain has a scandalous history.

And if he's so offended by anyone who was friendly with Ayers, why does he tout the fact that he's endorsed by the Annenburgs? They family that started the Annenburg board- the very board that Ayers sat on!

MCCAIN IS A LIAR. THERE IS NO QUESTION OF THIS. HE ADMITS IT.
MCCAIN IS A SELFISH, MISOGYNISTIC, CREEP.
MCCAIN HAS A VIOLENT PAST.
MCCAIN IS UNSUITABLE FOR THE WHITEHOUSE.

Posted by: julieds | October 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

To those of us who realized in 2000 that Bush was unsuitable to be president of the US, this is just the logical end results. To those of you who are surprised and angry that Republicans can't seem to get a break..., you should rethink (or at least think about) your philosophies on life, to try and discover what the rest of us knew all along.

Posted by: bflagg | October 9, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

My middle name is "Kim," does this make me an axis-of-evil lovin' terrorist too? Oh pretty please!!

Hussein, Hussein, Hussein, Hussein, Hussein, Hussein, Hussein, Hussein, Hussein, Hussein. Who cares?

Could ya just get back ta me on that?

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The more McCain pursues his sleeze campaign, the worse it's going to get for him. There is no reason for these attacks. Obama would not have gotten this far if he had something to hide. Now McCain on the other hand has a lot to hide and if he keeps up the badgering, things may come up to show who he really is that he may not expect. McCain is a phony - and perhaps a new word may be coined for him and Palin - phonyism.

Posted by: skolniks | October 9, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Freedom will not be taken from us in some foreign land but by thieves right here in this country. They use lies and fear to defeat truth and hope. They live on hate.
Money and power are all they want. McCain is their man. Stand up to him or lose your right to be an American.

Posted by: seemstome | October 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Democrats have been desperate and found someone by the name Barack Hussein Obama. They don't care if he has been with radicals or anything. They take advantage of the economy and war to take the White House.
Barack Hussein Obama = Jimmy Cater

Posted by: nononsense3 | October 9, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse


It is actually quite amusing to watch mccain-palin fans sit around on the blogs screaming about ayres and such all day, while their party is burning down around them...and they don't even notice.

And while the rest of us are out campaigning for Obama!

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Out of one side of the McCain mouth comes "No new expenditures" yet out of the other side comes "Govt buying up mortgages". It's so hard to tell what the truth is with McCain.

As to the Ayers charge... Good grief, even if Barry and Bill were close chums, which they're not, he's a well respected college professor. Do you Republicans really believe he's secretly making bombs and teaching revolution?

Posted by: Javalation | October 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Say it isn't so, Sarah. There you go again, reaching into the past when your claim is that you and the other one are focusing on the future.

Posted by: Valjean1 | October 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"McCain can't run on hope, so he resorts to fear."

But doesn't pull it off properly and ends up settling for embarrassment.

Posted by: tweldy | October 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse


today's numbers really prove that all the folks losing jobs and healthcare and stock investments are real upset about some guy named ayres 40 years ago....NOT

Gallup Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 2761 RV 52 41 Obama +11
Rasmussen Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 3000 LV 50 45 Obama +5
Hotline/FD Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 852 LV 47 41 Obama +6

uh, maybe it could be...you know ....THE ECONOMY. LOOK AT THE DOW TODAY while you rehash 40 years ago.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"The McCain health plan's main purpose is to end employer benefits. When you are not in a group, your costs will rise. When you have a chronic issue or a serious issue, your costs will rise or you wont be able to find coverage at all. you will be excluded."

Yes, and it gets even more interesting.

1) People that are young and healthy will jump the company plan for their own, raising rates dramatically for existing employees. Then the not as young and health will jump the company plan (...)

2) Many people in the 'make a lot' and work for a top notch company will see a minor tax increase as their benefits are taxed. This won't be devastating, but it is an insult.

Ultimately the upside is that it will make American business more competitive since many will be free of paying for health benefits. The downside is that it won't make a long term impact on the uninsured and will create a massive swell of poorly insurance people especially as the inflation rate against which this plan is index is outpaced by 4x as has been historically the increase in health care costs. This is a plan of and by the health insurance companies to get direct transfer payments from the government for mediocre to awful services.

Of course with a democratic congress, it will NEVER make it through. Also, McCain looks like he's trying to lose these days, so its probably never going to be a scenario we have to ponder.

Posted by: tweldy | October 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

What I am interested in is the economy but my most concern is health care. My wife has breast cancer and the type she has there is no cure. Why can't we, the U.S., with the talent to come up with a cure, FIND a cure for cancer. Also, I fight with the insurance company and my health care provider in paying the bills as well as getting approval for treatments. The candidates need to stop the bickering and finger pointing and focus on the issues at hand.

Pay attention: the 'candidates' are not bickering. The GOP IS FILLING THE AIR WITH LIES. 100% of their ads are now lies.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is not man enough to own his crap. John McCain will not openly confront Obama with his smears and lies and innuendo. John McCain will not come out and talk about Ayers, he has to be asked. That is why he goes to places like Faux News, so he can be asked. What a coincidence.


John McCain is a coward.


John McCain would rather hide behind his wife and Sarah Palin than say it himself.


He would rather produce 2 minute ads that his campaign will never pay to air anywhere, and hope that the tire-swinging media will bring up the topic so he doesn’t have to do it himself.


John McCain just wants to throw crap out there, and "raise questions" about Obama, and hope his supporters connect the dots, because he is too much of a coward to directly push this toxic stew. He would rather hide behind right-wing bloggers, surrogates, and scummy websites staffed with wingnut welfare recipients like the NRO and the Weekly Standard.


John McCain had 90 minutes to bring this stuff up to Obama, to his face, and passed.


John McCain is a liar and a coward.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

THE LIE AND THEN THE REALLY BIG LIE:
USING THE GERMAN FASCIST MODEL

The problem with Ayers, is that this man help shape the opinions of Barak Hussein Obama.

That's insane. Its a lie. Shaped opinions?

On what topics? During a board meeting with Republicans?
Just more lies from the brown shirts. fascists dupes and paid liars.

VOTE OBAMA in 08 END THE REPRESSION. END THE LIES.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The profoundly evil campaign directed by McCain shows how power can corrupt a man over 26 years. These are dangerous times and a dictator could emerge who would end personal freedom and security in this country. McCain is "That One".

Posted by: seemstome | October 9, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

What I am interested in is the economy but my most concern is health care. My wife has breast cancer and the type she has there is no cure. Why can't we, the U.S., with the talent to come up with a cure, FIND a cure for cancer. Also, I fight with the insurance company and my health care provider in paying the bills as well as getting approval for treatments. The candidates need to stop the bickering and finger pointing and focus on the issues at hand.

Posted by: fvargo1 | October 9, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

In addition to John McCain's ties with the KEATING FIVE, here are three more associations and ties that John McCain need to explain before we can trust him to be our next U.S. President:

McCain tied to U.S. Council for World Freedom: Nazi collaborators and death squads in Central America.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/john-amato/mccain-tied-us-council-world-freedom-na

McCain fortune traced to organized crime
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57354

John McCain must explain his ties to felon Jim Hensley: John McCain’s Mob Connections
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.crime/browse_thread/thread/f8f1ede9a7bdd2b8

Posted by: doctormiguel | October 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain can't run on hope, so he resorts to fear.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

">I believe McCain just suggested having the woman that started Ebay to be his possible consideration for Secretary of Treasury.

Ebay is laying off 1600 people. nice!"

They are trying to get out transacting used goods. And that's a real great model when the economy is crashing. Along with HP that would be another inventive company ruined by idiot leadership that has ties to McCain.

Posted by: tweldy | October 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The McCain health plan's main purpose is to end employer benefits. When you are not in a group, your costs will rise. When you have a chronic issue or a serious issue, your costs will rise or you wont be able to find coverage at all. you will be excluded.

That's the McCain plan in a nutshell, as written by lobbyists.

The $2,500 signing bonus you get will be eaten up by the actual cost of one year's health insurance, even if your employer gives you part of the fee. Your employer's portion will be taxed on your W-2. You will pay tax on benefits you are already getting.
And the $2500 wont pay the total cost.

And 20 million people will end up with no group insurance if this plan happens to you. Its a billion dollar boondoggle for the insurance companies.

VOTE OBAMA in 08. You can read the details of the McCain theft from the middle aged insureds, on any neutral site.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

AFTER ALL THE DENIAL...TODD FINALLY ADMITS IT----

FROM ABC TODAY
Todd Palin campaigned for years to get state trooper Mike Wooten fired, he told the Alaska Legislature's "Troopergate" investigator, in a 25-page response to a list of questions.

Palin provided his answers to special counsel Stephen Branchflower yesterday, according to news accounts and sources familiar with the probe.

Palin's lawyer and the McCain-Palin campaign made the document available to reporters that evening, a move condemned by State Senate officials.

"The McCain campaign should not be releasing these documents to you," said Alaska Senate President Lyda Green, R-Wasilla, after learning the camp had offered the document to a reporter, under condition of anonymity.

"This is a confidential report," she said. "The campaign should have nothing to do with this."

Green said she was shocked at how McCain-Palin campaign aides had acted since arriving in the state in early September. "I can't believe that the campaign would condone this behavior if they truly knew," she said. "I've never seen anything like it."

BET ALASKANS ARE SHOCKED TOO THAT THEIR STATE NOW BELONGS TO MCCAIN GOONS.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Not only Obama lives in the same neighborhood with Ayers, he lives down the street from Louis Farrakhan. I guess he could not find a better neighborhood, or JUST FELT VERY COMFORTABLE IN THIS ONE.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 9, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

nana4- excellent post very well written. I don't think people fully understand just how ugly and dangerous this has gotten. You can have strong feelings about certain issues but when a mod mentality is encouraged it goes beyond politics and into deperation. I personally can't wait for it to be over with...

Posted by: ludite | October 9, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

So far, the timing of the Democratic campaign has been superb. Obama has given clues to why. "We will not throw the first punch, but we will throw the last."

the Republicans are painting themselves into a very mean-minded corner. The Bill Ayers controversy is an excellent baiting point, with the Republicans making much ado about nothing. Bill Ayers has been regarded as very Establishment in Chicago for some time, from what I can see. He has done excellent work for the Annenberg foundation, and the Annenberg's are dyed in the wool Republicans.

I think it is very wise for the Democrats to stand back and encourage the Republicans to throw as much mud as they possibly can, so that when they counter this mud, they can do it all at once in a very cohesive manner.

We have already seen Obama bring McCain to screeching halts in many of his attacks by quietly raising the issues such as the bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, "the economy is strong", and impugned the squeaky clean McCain image by telling the true story of the Keating five.

At the end of the day, what's the betting that Bill Ayers will be painted as a resolutely American dissident, who destroyed property in the middle of the night, deliberately avoiding causing any harm to any human being, to make his points strongly about the wrongness of the Vietnam War in his eyes. Particularly considering his record over the past 20 years of services to the people of Chicago.

the Democrats will do damage control well before the election, but they only need to do it one week before the vote, on a massive scale. But my bet is, over the next week, we will begin to see responses rolled out in a very considered and organized manner.

Posted by: Richardhg | October 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain's housing plan is simple. Your tax dollars line the pockets of bankers. The amount is: the difference between the value the bankers set when the mortgage was signed, and the current value of the house. You taxpayers give your tax dollars to the bank, in the amount of the difference. You dont get it back. That's the plan McCain is bragging about.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh, there ya go again, there, mltucker using that there middle name of Barack Obama again. Well, let me tell ya somthin' no one cares. We care about the economy, housing, education, health care - intelligent and meaningful things.

Posted by: JustWondering8 | October 9, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

So it's OK for Ayers to be Citizen of the Year in Chicago, but it's not OK for Obama to have ANY kind of dealings with - no matter how tangential? There are white Republicans on the Annenburg board, too. I don't hear McCain/Palin calling them terrorists.

Are they serious? So Ayres hosted a breakfast for him 10 years ago? They were on a board to help get funding for education? That makes Obama a terrorist? It's just not-so-veiled racism.

Well McCain, here's what I care about. Our house has lost 20% of its value from two years ago. My husband just got word that he may lose his job. I just lost 60% of the value in my 401k.

My 26-year-old nephew recently returned from Iraq. He's emotionally and mentally damaged. He was a national guardsman in Ohio and was sent there for two years against his wishes. What did he come home to? He was gone for so long that he lost his job, and the economy's a disaster.

And I'm supposed to listen to their fear mongering? This is important?

McCain is just completely touch if this is what he thinks is important, and if this kind of guilt-by-association attack is appropriate. It is just profoundly unpresidential and I'm sick of it.

This story says it all about him. He's a sliver spoon fake conservative, just like Bush.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain


Posted by: Kathleen4 | October 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

This is a Republican BS. They need to investigate their own Palin/AIP connection. Real story there.

Posted by: Hoffmann1 | October 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

To whoever wrote:
"When Obama went to Ayers home in 1995, he’d already announced.

The board they served on was founded by Walter Annenberg, the best friend of Ronald and Nancy Reagan and continues to be overseen by Reaganites. If they found it okay to have Ayers on the board, how does that make Obama a terrorist sympathizer?

Per the video, Obama is an unelectable terrorist because he was a sub-chairman of a foundation headed by Reagan-ites that gave $50,000,000 to better education in the city of Chicago.

Which part of this picture is scary?"

THANK YOU and keep posting it wherever you can. It's short, simple and to the point.
Obama/Biden08

Posted by: tspradlin | October 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

>I believe McCain just suggested having the woman that started Ebay to be his possible consideration for Secretary of Treasury.

Ebay is laying off 1600 people. nice!

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"I hope you Obama supporters get exactly what you want."

A degree a fairness? And end to transfer payments to the oil industry? Someone who might actually give a **** about people with less than 10 million in the bank? There's a lot of people that hope that is the case.

"I'm old enough to say that I have lived a full life and if it were to all
"change" or end tommorrow I would have no regrets."

Good for you.

"On the other hand it's going to be a blast watching you suffer under the yoke of Black Liberation Theology, and well worth the price of admission."

Wow you enjoy watching people suffer? That's messed up. I've got a second theory for ya: your hatred and narrow minded nature have constrained your ability to actually live a full life. You'd be surprised what you're missing.

"You reap what you sow."

Yeah, I've seen it with Bush. I've seen a country with the world behind it turn into a country with the world against it. I've seen our good name tarnished. I've seen our finest killed for a war on false rumors and lies. I've seen an economy that served the people turned to serving the wealthy at the expense of the people. I've seen in a president as close to what I can objectively call evil as I could have imagined. I've never held politicians to be great and good people, and Barack Obama is a politician. But I'll really enjoy is seeing everyone in America do better and people anger reduced from a threat to us all to more of a sad individual thing that hurt no one but the bitter.

"Have fun kiddies."

I always do.

Posted by: tweldy | October 9, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Dear Bodiethebulldog, thank you for saying that "It doesn't matter if Obama hung with Satan", because the more you associate the great-O with the vermin, the more likely independents get the real truth.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

>My whole life savings is gone! 401k is wiped out.

Yup and 40% of it and counting. Now imagine your retired like my mom an 1/2 the small savings investment is gone!

So please someone tell me that 1 month before the election were going to have culture war round 2 over a guy who protested the vietnam war in 1969 who happened to serve on a republican supported chrity board. Please I dare you.

Thanks McCain.

You want to fight this election about issues. Fine. But you will not get away with nonsense. Not this time.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Yup, even Karl Rove has been shocked (but he is still on mccain's payroll):

'......In his current campaign, however, McCain has become the kind of politician he ran against in 2000.

He has embraced those he once denounced as "agents of intolerance," promised more drilling and deeper tax cuts, even compromised his vaunted opposition to torture.

Intent on winning the presidency at all costs, he has reassembled the very team that so viciously smeared him and his family eight years ago, selecting as his running mate a born-again moose hunter whose only qualification for office is her ability to electrify Rove's base.

And he has engaged in a "practice of politics" so deceptive that even Rove himself has denounced it, saying that the outright lies in McCain's campaign ads go "too far" and fail the "truth test.".....

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

John & Cindy McCain said on TV several months ago that there would be no negative campaigning from his capaign. LIAR! LIAR!
Where's his integrity on this one?
As for the stock market problems, my husband thinks the Repubs were hanging on for dear life wishing and hoping this wouldn't happen until after the election!!!

Posted by: trokinMpls | October 9, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

On a point of information:
McCain is a Scottish name. McCain's family connection to Ireland was their arrival as British colonists sent by the English Crown to force the native Irish off their land. McCain is about as Irish in the traditional sense as Ian Paisley!

The only difference is that in recent years Paisley has moved towards reconciliation with the nationalist community. A movement facilitated by Bill Clinton's direct intervention.

McCain opposed this intervention. Had Clinton listened we wold not have peace in Ireland. McCain is no friend to the Irish.

Posted by: festinog | October 9, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

And isn't it ironic that the greedy rich in this country (and their dim-witted apologists) whine "class warfare" whenever they're asked to do their share in a crisis? They have waged class warfare against the middle class and poor for the last 20 years. The current mess we're in is the result, and now they come crying to the taxpayers for a bailout. Even "robber barons" like Carnegie and Rockefeller at least regarded themselves as responsible stewards of the economy, and believed that great wealth should be matched by great responsibility. Plus they were successful businessmen, not losers like Fuld and his ilk, who grab all they can with both hands as they get kicked out the door.

Posted by: waxtadpole1 | October 9, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

ON the Brothers BushMCcain:

'.....In its broad strokes, McCain's life story is oddly similar to that of the current occupant of the White House.

John Sidney McCain III and George Walker Bush both represent the third generation of American dynasties.

Both were born into positions of privilege against which they rebelled into mediocrity.

Both developed an uncanny social intelligence that allowed them to skate by with a minimum of mental exertion.

Both struggled with booze and loutish behavior.

At each step, with the aid of their fathers' powerful friends, both failed upward.

And both shed their skins as Episcopalian members of the Washington elite to build political careers as self-styled, ranch-inhabiting Westerners who pray to Jesus in their wives' evangelical churches.

In one vital respect, however, the comparison is deeply unfair to the current president: George W. Bush was a much better pilot.'...'

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I believe McCain just suggested having the woman that started Ebay to be his possible consideration for Secretary of Treasury. I don't think he actually is capable of making a purchase on Ebay based on his own admitted technical lack of expertiese. Not to mention I almost dropped my six pack when I heard that.

Posted by: MrStevens | October 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Violence is violence.

Officially authorized violence, is still violence.

Trying to follow the logic of someone who was engaged in officially authorized violence, criticizing someone else for associating with a third party, who advocated violence as means of ending officially authorized violence, is difficult.

It would be tough to vote for this twisted logic.

Posted by: secretscribe | October 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter if Obama hung with Satan...he's better than McSame and he WILL be our next President!!

Posted by: Bodiethebulldog | October 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."


Pop quiz!
Who said that?

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler, the founder of Alaskan Independence Party, said in a 1991 interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

Palin has courted the group over the years.

She has repeatedly reached out to the group.

The McCain campaign has confirmed she visited the group's 2000 convention, and she addressed its convention this year:

as an incumbent governor whose oath of office includes upholding the Constitution of the United States.

Palin's husband, Todd Palin, was a member of the party from 1995-2002 with a brief exception in 2000.

Sarah Palin palling around with secessionists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

Why is that not making ANY news?!

That lady has nerve talking about Ayers.....

Posted by: franglais | October 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

>Don't abuse the Irish! We didn't ask for John McCain to be one of us. Don't drag us through the mud for it!

And Obama didnt ask to have a black father or a muslim middle name. Shame on America!

It’s an intentional sarcastic point for those bigots who illicit racism by using Obama’s middle name. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

I just want to remind people being one nationality or religion isn't better than another. When people stop with assinating Obama's character, I'll stop assinating McCains and Palins. Fair enough?

The mere fact your offended is exactly the point. I'm offended too.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse


My whole life savings is gone! 401k is wiped out. The Dow just caved in with a 675 point loss. Bush's boy Cox at the SEC called for ban on naked short selling last month, and naked short selling is 100% illegal. Their robbing us blind. I think they know their time is up and their grabbing everything they can get on the way out.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

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Scary, ain't it. I think what is worse is that someone in the Congress will convince Obama, once he is President - of course, that the Bush Administration and the CEO's should not be prosecuted. Even if he did try to prosecute, the Justice Department has been infiltrated with so many Bush cronies in career position, the investigation would get derailed at one stage or another.

If I say that this is the darkest hour that America has faced, I know that the Bush Administration/GOP/McCain-Plain/Limbaugh-lovin' tribe would just do something worse to make that statement untrue.

I guess all we can do is knock on wood, and fight like there is no tomorrow for an Obama/Biden win. Dang, I am so depressed now.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I do not need to "imagine" Hitler, et al.

What I witnessed this past Monday on McCain's campaign trail brought Hitler and pre Nazism home quite clearly.

I saw a big, shaved head Sheriff, in full uniform regalia, introducing Palin in Clearwater, Fla., invoking the name of "Hussein", and finishing his intro, snapping and saluting smartly, almost in a "heil". Then, Palin begins a speech that was one of the ugliest and most frightening I have ever seen any politician give in the USA. She focused on Sen Obama's "palling around" with a "domestic terrorist", which she kept repeating over and over again, stirring up the crowd to roars, boos, and into a mob where someone yells out, "Kill him!". Someone else in the angry mob yells a racist slur to a news cameraman.

Same day, in Albuquerque, New Mexico, McCain is red faced, angry, shouting, whipping his crowd up with "Who IS Barack Obama?" "A Terroist!", someone yells. Another day, same speech, someone yells, "Traitor!"

1. The Sheriff violated The Hatch Act and is being investigated and may lose his job and his dept may lose federal funding for participating in a political party rally in his uniform, representing his office. There are issues of intimidation, abuse of power, and, participation in a mob scene with the goal to incite violence against another person is not consistent with the mission of the Sheriff's Dept. Does he treat his employees who have a different political ideology from his? Does he dispense his responsibilities to his constituents evenly if they do not share his ideology? A lame Republican surrogate this morning calls this collective outrage "ridiculous" because "he is an elected official and this was a political function." In that case, he should have participated representing himself, out of uniform, instead of representing his office, in full uniform. There is no defense of this. It is unacceptable.
2. Ms Palin, in her quest for the highest office of the land, and in her insistance that she and her running mate are "reformers" and "bi-partisan", and adamant "Pro Life", knew exactly what she was doing. It is more disgusting that someone who cannot answer a simple question can be so effectively at inciting a mob mentality of hatred to the point that they are yelling "Kill him!"
3. McCain, "who knows people, knows how to do things, fought for his country, has so much honor and 26 years of experience in the Congress, is so bi-partisan, also knew exactly what he was doing. His wife standing by him on stage, nodding her head in agreement, later claims that "this Obama campaign is the ugliest she has ever seen..." and, yesterday, gives another speech of condemnation because Obama voted against funding for her son in Iraq.... There is no mention that her husband, the father of her son, also voted against funding for the troops and against funding for veteran's benefits---in fact, a non partisan group who monitors these votes on this issue, stated that McCain more frequently votes against than for, whereas Kucinik has the highest record of voting for veterans. Cindy should have had this discussion with her own husband many times over before she became something other than an expensive manequin on the campaign trail.

After this week, all of the distortion and manipulation of this lame "terrorist association" Obama, wherein he served on a committee in Chicago with this has been domestic terrorist, funded by The Annenberg Foundation, founded by well respected Republican family to do precisely what the committee was about, improving education in Chicago's inner cities, long after this man had re-entered society without any assistance from Obama, is a sad and dangerous attempt to cast doubt, putting it mildly, on the character of Senator Obama. McCain and his campaign has created an all out culture war, not against Obama but amongst American vs American, using race, bigotry, fear, and intimidation as his WMD. He now has 3 wars to deal with, add the economic failure in this country, and it is too much for this man and his incompetent VP to manage. He will never have the support of the majority of the people, should he somehow manipulate a victory and he should be removed from the Senate, should he lose this election. He is no longer fit to serve.
The Republican Party, as it has manifested itself over the past 20 years, and has it has confirmed in this ugly campaign, is also no longer fit to serve. If Republican leaders are comfortable with their mission and their ideology, then we certainly need a Third Party to counter them and to put them in oblivion. They are against everything Americal represents and have distorted and shamed everything the Republican Party has ever stood for.

This morning in Wisconsin, with his fraus on stage with him, McCain continues to belabor his one issue: Ayers and Obama. Today, his speech culminates with a crowd member in the front raising his arm and clenched fist, as though in a Nazi salute. They prod McCain on and on, to do more to get rid of Obama, asking how it came to be Obama has gotten this far, etc.

There is a fine line between freedom of speech and political expression and the incitement of anger and violence in a political campaign. So, constitutionally, there may be no way to force an end to this ugly display of the very anti-Americanism and terrorism that I see in this new "campaign strategy", which I believe is more than "strategy"; I now believe it is what the "conservative, right wing, evangelical, 'christian' Republicans have always been about, after all. But, there is the issue of limits and of responsibility. It is extremely irresponsible and unwise for someone who has cultivated the image of a John McCain, war hero, honored public servant, to encourage and use these hate tactics with an already angry America who must suffer the consequences of all the failed higher institutions in government and who may soon be in soup lines, unemployed, homeless, sick, and desperate. This legacy of this Republican Party is bad enough.

Does this Republican Party want, as part of their legacy, a horrific act of physical violence against a political opponent or supporters of that opponent in the name of "Country First"?

Posted by: nana4 | October 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

BEWARE.. VOTER REGISTRATIONS ARE BEING THROWN OUT... SIMPLE SOLUTION: Call your local registration office and check your status. Do whatever you need to do to contest this. Some swing states are violating federal law and using the inaccurate Social Security database to verify registrations, when they've been instructed to use that database as a last resort. Looks like more vote tampering will contaminate another US election. SHAMEFUL! The US should be a shining example of free and fair elections. With every incident like this, the US loses a little more credibility in world. Before you know it, developing nations will no longer look to our election system as a guide. TICKS ME OFF!

Posted by: tspradlin | October 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Think of all of the people you know: Friends, family, coworkers, and so on.

Would you want to be judged by their actions or would you want to be judged by your own?

Posted by: wolfi101 | October 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Here is the real problem with the ayers attack. Palin's association with a dangerous anti-American group that hates us is a lot closer and a lot more recent than any relationship with anyone Obama has had. She is close to the secessionist who said: "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government." Vogler, the founder of the Alaskan Independence Party, said in a 1991 interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP. See this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its


Posted by: chouteau | October 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I hope you Obama supporters get exactly what you want.
I'm old enough to say that I have lived a full life and if it were to all
"change" or end tommorrow I would have no regrets.
On the other hand it's going to be a blast watching you suffer under the yoke of Black Liberation Theology, and well worth the price of admission.
You reap what you sow.

Have fun kiddies.

Posted by: Thozmaniac | October 9, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

With a nod to banality - the Republican playbook item #1 fear and #2 smear have been worn out in the 'boy who cried wolf' sense. This election isn't about if Obama used the same urinal as some dude in the 60s that smoked some funky green stuff and thought he could take out the pentagon with poorly fashioned pipe bombs. The great irony in all of this is that the deregulation mantra has its fair share of supporters in the democratic party. This current financial meltdown is actually not all owned by the republicans, although they do have a good chunk of the responsibility. Oh well, I guess that's cosmic justice - the one thing you aren't totally responsible for is the thing you get nailed for doing.

Posted by: tweldy | October 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The prostitute winks again !!!!!!!!

Posted by: Impartialreporter | October 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

So this would be the First Family?

"......If heroism is defined by physical suffering, Carol McCain is every bit her ex-husband's equal.

Driving alone on Christmas Eve 1969, she skidded out on a patch of ice and crashed into a telephone pole. She would spend six months in the hospital and undergo 23 surgeries.

In the spring of 1979, while conducting official business for the Navy, the still-married McCain encountered Cindy Lou Hensley, a willowy former cheerleader for USC.

Mutually smitten, the two lied to each other about their ages. The 24-year-old Hensley became 27; the 42-year-old McCain became 38.

For nearly a year the two carried on a cross-country romance while McCain was still living with Carol: Court documents filed with their divorce proceeding indicate that they "cohabitated as husband and wife" for the first nine months of the affair.

Although McCain stresses in his memoir that he married Cindy three months after divorcing Carol, he was still legally married to his first wife when he and Cindy were issued a marriage license from the state of Arizona.'.. "

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

My whole life savings is gone! 401k is wiped out. The Dow just caved in with a 675 point loss. Bush's boy Cox at the SEC called for ban on naked short selling last month, and naked short selling is 100% illegal. Their robbing us blind. I think they know their time is up and their grabbing everything they can get on the way out.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Ayers, is that this man help shape the opinions of Barak Hussein Obama, as did Jeremiah Wright for 20 yrs. It is no wonder he blames the United States for the woes of the world. We spend billions up on billions in foreign aide, but we are an evil nation?

The communist have fought for years to take our freedoms, as the democrats and Barak Hussein Obama and Joe Biden want to do now. NO THANK YOU!

Ayers is an unrepentant criminal who waged war aginst his own nation. Considered a real American hero by Obama. Citizen of the world.

Posted by: mltucker | October 9, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

let's see: ayers is not on parole or probation, not under house arrest, does not have an ankle monitor, is not under investigation or indictment. i would say he has become a contributing member of society. if he has opinions that are unique, or even disagreeable, he has that right, up until his actions harm another.
on the the other hand ms. palin is currently the subject of what - 3 or more investigations. and her appointees have been doing everything possible to cover-up and avoid giving testimony....? shameful.
mccain should just apologize to America and concede the election. he has failed.

Posted by: lawrence2xl | October 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

jimimosey:
You are so right - but you forgot to mention that the US Council for World Freedom was the conduit for selling arms to Iran in the 1980's - a terrorist nation. So - McCain actually served on the board of a right-wingnut organization that sold weapons directly to terrorists! Anyone remember Iran-Contra (alas - how soon we forget!. So whatever relationship that Obama may have to Ayers pales in comparison!

Posted by: tstrainor | October 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse


Our veterans will be interested in this...all of these things in the article had witnesses, some even fellow Republicans who were astounded by mccain's behavior:

"......Several years later, during another debate over servicemen missing in action, an elderly mother of an MIA soldier rolled up to McCain in her wheelchair to speak to him about her son's case.

According to witnesses, McCain grew enraged, raising his hand as if to strike her before pushing her wheelchair away....."

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

YAWN. Why does the right always resort to the worst of the worst tactics (or is this a strategy, John?) when the substance of their platform just can't cut it?

I can just hear them saying, "Hey, why should we build ourselves up when we can just tear 'em down?"

The Republicans need a new playbook; this one bores me.

(Say, I guess Tina Fey's impression touched a nerve: Palin changed her hair style!)

Posted by: poortrekker | October 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

One comment in this thread closed with, "Who are the people endorsing Sen. Obama? Many of those who want our destruction."

I noticed through this thread that McCain/Palin supporters use an incredible amount of fear-mongering language to make their point. Obama supporters are at least half of the country (more if you believe the polls). Why in god’s name would they “want our destruction” or anyone’s destruction. Get real and stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News for god’s sake. Pull your head out of your beer can, shake your hangover loose and think clearly for a second.

We all have families we love and support so we want jobs, reasonable health care and education. We all have money in homes, cars, stocks, bonds so we all want the economy to get better. We all hate to see babies aborted and wish our society did a better job of supporting alternatives. If we really think about it most of us really don’t care that much about gay marriage. Those of us who have friends or family who have been killed by people with guns wish they were in more limited supply but realize owning guns is an essential part of our culture so they are here to stay. In short, we have more in common than we are different.

I am sick to death of all “the sky is falling” terror tactics that get everyone worked up. That’s why Obama is so refreshing. He’s solid. He’s steady. He thinks and acts instead of reacting. McCain didn’t do us any favors by halting his campaign and flying to DC. He just added fuel to the “sky is falling” fire.

Posted by: JustWondering8 | October 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Palin and McCain are helping to paint the Republican party as a party of racist extremists. They are energizing the worst emotions (hatred, fear, bigotry) of the lunatic fringe of their party, which is going to scare away the center and lose several seats in congress for them as well.

Posted by: MrGrug | October 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Gee golly! Wink! Wink! John I can see russia from my porch! Does that sound like your next President?

Posted by: acbasurto | October 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

The dow is down almost 700 points today! Thats over 2500 points in 2 weeks!

That’s thousands and thousands of dollars in everyone’s retirement accounts and investments just in case you care.

Now how big is Obama knowing Ayers who protested a war 40 years ago by comparison? just curious?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey blueskypolitics...
The correct term is "Tinkle down" economics...I trust it is self-explanatory.

Posted by: anetgroup | October 9, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

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You are so right, whatever was I thinking! Or as Palin would say, "thinkin'."

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The discussion has focused on the irrelevance of the reference to Ayres, and the risky McCain/Palin strategy of inciting crowds toward violent behavior. One must stop to consider, however, that Obama is not actually the supposed witch in the witch-hunt. With the arrival of paid adds and specific public statements accusing him of unproven crimes, will Mr. Ayers consider his rights to file libel and slander lawsuits against these claimants? As a former but not current public figure this is interesting territory.

Posted by: MisterQ | October 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

When Obama went to Ayers home in 1995, he’d already announced.

The board they served on was founded by Walter Annenberg, the best friend of Ronald and Nancy Reagan and continues to be overseen by Reaganites. If they found it okay to have Ayers on the board, how does that make Obama a terrorist sympathizer?

Per the video, Obama is an unelectable terrorist because he was a sub-chairman of a foundation headed by Reagan-ites that gave $50,000,000 to better education in the city of Chicago.

Which part of this picture is scary?

Posted by: rcksgl | October 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

today, historians will note was the beginning of the end for the united states of america. the comments by gov. palin saying and i quote, "sen. obama will disgrace the office of the president." and the shout outs at sen. mccain's speech show the gop would rather destroy the united states than lose an election. it sounds like nazi germany all over again. i am deeply deeply saddened by the depth the republican party will stoop to to not end their eight years of gravy train gluttony. john mccain's campaign has only two options left, one they are hoping for and one they are inciting: the death of the democratic nominee for president who happens to be an african american and the other for bin laden to attack again inside the united states. if no republicans of good conscience deplore this statement, then it will show the rest of the country and the world, the dangerous right-wing fanatics have ursurped one of the two national political parties.

Posted by: sbvpav | October 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Palin/McCain 08 -Igloo trash and an erratic old Irish hot-head.

Thats a hell of a vision for 21st centry America.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse


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Don't abuse the Irish! We didn't ask for John McCain to be one of us. Don't drag us through the mud for it!

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder how many people are selling stocks because they think it is inevitable that Obama will be our next president."

Maybe that's why oil is so low, because its a commodity who's days are numbered. (Hint: that's a good thing)

" We might have a stock market at 0 level, when Obama gets to power,"

Oh it will be OVER 9000! Don't complain to me (if you even get it) - you set it up.

"but at least we will have free health care, even if we have to stand in line for 6 months."

That would be an improvement over the seven month I had to wait to get an extremely minor surgery because it was not 'life threatening' (this was a private insurance plan). They were happy to give me vicotin the whole time though. That's good policy for ya. Good times.

Posted by: tweldy | October 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The women voters out there will be interested in his kind temperament.....

"....During his 1992 campaign, at the end of a long day, McCain's wife, Cindy, mussed his receding hair and needled him playfully that he was "getting a little thin up there."

McCain reportedly blew his top, cutting his wife down with the kind of language that had gotten him hauled into court as a high schooler: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cu**."

Even though the incident was witnessed by three (THREE) reporters, the McCain campaign denies it took place......."

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse


DemocracyRules

u are one of those airheads out there. too dumb to see behind the nice smile and wink of the eye.

Lord, throw down brains from the heavens and try very hard to hit the dumb republicans with it

AMEN

Posted by: mackiejw | October 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey blueskypolitics...
The correct term is "Tinkle down" economics...I trust it is self-explanatory.

Posted by: anetgroup | October 9, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Ayers said as late as around 9/11 that he felt the terrorists had not done enough."

Nope thats a 100% false quote taken out of context. First of all the interview was prerecorded and broadcast on 9/11.

Second of all, what does it have to to do with Obama? Is McCain bound by every association he has? What about Haggie? What about Keating? What about Jim Singlaub?

Go do some research instead of watching Sean Hannity.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

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You forgot to add Ayers to that list as well. :)

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

It's time for Americans to ask 'who's the real John McCain?' Certainly not the Bush alternative a lot of us admired four years ago. "The original maverick" is now calling Barack Obama "too risky?" If the Ayers association is so important why didn't McCain have the guts to confront Obama with it during the last debate? McCain reminds me of Teddy Roosevelt at the end of HIS political career -- a beaten, broken man flailing away at ghosts. Watch for even more racist references to the "risky Negro" as McCain falls farther and farther behind. He has lost control of his campaign and should be ashamed of himself. Perhaps he is.

Posted by: waxtadpole1 | October 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

NOT VERY PRESIDENTIAL....

"........Over the years, John McCain has demonstrated a streak of anger so nasty that even his former flacks make no effort to spin it away.

"If I tried to convince you he does not have a temper, you should hang up on me and ridicule me in print," says Dan Schnur, who served as McCain's press man during the 2000 campaign. Even McCain admits to an "immature and unprofessional reaction to slights" that is "little changed from the reactions to such provocations I had as a schoolboy..........."

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/8


Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This is lunacy! The people that obama has chosen to associate himself with are radical extremists which in my view makes him an extremist. I personally shutter at the possiblilty of someone like obama being commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world. He is not qualified to be our president. People should stop holding mccain responsible for bush's mess.

Posted by: rationalthought | October 9, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Palin/McCain 08 -Igloo trash and an erratic old Irish hot-head.

Thats a hell of a vision for 21st centry America.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

ACBASURTO:

Thank you

Posted by: mackiejw | October 9, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Dear tensity1,

You are so right.. We need to tax the heck out of those evil rich people. They don't do anything. have never worked a day in their life and just take all of our money and waste it and hold us down.....

They don't create a single job either or give you a pay check. Class warfare is the way to go

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

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Trickle-down economics, or Reaganonomics or Voodoo economincs, etc. (there are so many nicknames, most of them provided by Repubs) is a complete and utter failure, and has been empirically proven to be a failure.

Outside of the current empirical data we are currently witnessing daily, (excluding Warren Buffett, who seems to be the only one of the top 400 wealthiest Americans to even try to buy into this bogus theory), in 1980 80% of the wealth of this country was held by 2% of the population. After Reagan and Bush Sr. 12 years in office 85% of the wealth was held by 1% of the population. After 8 years of Bush's version of trickle-down econ 101, not only is this wealth imbalance still true today, but the top 400 wealthiest Americans have brought in a net surplus of over $600 billion dollars to their coffers. Other than Warren Buffet, mentioned above, I don't see many of them investing their money in stock market to try and stave off this crisis, but instead are going to let the government bail us out of this (which is not how the theory goes, by the way). Additionally, with all this wealth going to the top tiers of the economic strastasphere, where are the so called jobs you mention or those salaries? Are you referring to the millions that have lost their jobs this year? Are you referring to those stagnant wages as the cost of living increases every month? Are you referring to those jobs that the wealthy business owners send oversees to save a buck? Or the temps they choose to employ to avoid having to provide health insurance or any benefits? Or those patriotic American Corporate owners that have moved their addresses to the Bahamas so that they don't have to pay any of those pesky taxes? Trickle-down economics is a failure and an utter disaster.

Glad you seem to be doing so well though! :)

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

If we want to talk past associations with radicals, let's bring up John Bush's associations and attendance at an Oregon Citizens Alliance meeting where a woman who had been convicted as a terrorist for shooting a physician in both arms for performing legal abortions and bombing an abortion clinic was praised on stage by a woman who was a delegate at this year's republican convention. Since John attended the conference and listened silently and did not protest the praise reaped upon this convicted terrorist but rather gave tacit approval by attending the meeting, and by using the same logic applied regarding Bill Ayers, doesn't John Bush's past "associations" make him someone who "pals around with terrorists?" It should be noted that John voted against the the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1994.

Now reasonable minds would not automatically conclude that John Bush is a functionary of this radical group, but since the same logic is applied to Sen Obama's "associations" with "terrorists," let's put the same microscope to John's associations. Oh, let's not forget John's membership on the board of the US Council for World Freedom described in an AP article as "part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America." Or the ever popular Keating Five debacle. You see, if John really wants to open this up, there is plenty of room for expanding all kinds of nasty little secrets. This is more likely a campaign engaged in the death throes of the anticipation of a monumental loss in November. So please, John, bring it on!! Every time you go negative, more moderates and independents vote Democratic!

Posted by: jimimosey | October 9, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many people are selling stocks because they think it is inevitable that Obama will be our next president. We might have a stock market at 0 level, when Obama gets to power, but at least we will have free health care, even if we have to stand in line for 6 months.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 9, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Ayers said as late as around 9/11 that he felt the terrorists had not done enough."

Nope thats a 100% false quote taken out of context. First of all the interview was prerecorded and broadcast on 9/11.

Second of all, what does it have to to do with Obama? Is McCain bound by every association he has? What about Haggie? What about Keating? What about Jim Singlaub?

Go do some research instead of watching Sean Hannity.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The point is i am a flag loving American former soldier, former Republican, White male, voted for Bush the first time, voted against the second time, and vote for what is right for the country. Obama is the better candidate plain and simple. Ayers has nothing to do with my decision since most of these rumors come from the Republicans as sources they are automatically ignored since I was a Republican and know how they operate. Ayers means nothing and my country first sounds about right when you insert Obama as President!

Posted by: acbasurto | October 9, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

CNN had 3 black republicans on their show this afternoon, defending McCain and enunciating of why McCain is more qualified to deal with all the problems we have in this country. To my dismay, CNN reporter, Rich Sanchez, asked these black man if they are selling out their community. This is a great example of how our Press Selling out to the far left wing policies. Shame on your Rich Sanchez.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 9, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I am soooooooooo sick and tired of the McCain/Airhead Palin smear campain, I could scream. Combined with the news that voter registrations are being throw-out in 6 swing states I clearly see that the CHEATING has begun already.

I am scared that there may be enough dumb idiots out there to actually vote for this odd couple

Lord have mercy with all of us

Posted by: mackiejw | October 9, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Even if McCain brings in Mitt Rommey, it would be impossible. He should have made him the VP pick. Mitt is more attuned to the economy than McCain or Palin, but as a financial team? You think a single person will lift the financial problem now that we are facing? It is difficult to reverse the position, but it is clear that not only Wall Street's but also all the well to do's greed and allowance of the greed to the lesser fair by "over delegulation", it is impossible to turn the page. There were times that McCain could position himself during the post primaries, pre-convention, but at that time, the market was hopeful about the recovery. McCain did not see this coming.

Posted by: humblesage | October 9, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

since character is on the table...

"....The McCains soon found themselves entangled in more legal trouble.

In 1989, in behavior the couple has blamed in part on the stress of the Keating scandal, Cindy became addicted to Vicodin and Percocet.

She directed a doctor employed by her charity — which provided medical care to patients in developing countries — to supply the narcotics, which she then used to get high on trips to places like Bangladesh and El Salvador........"

First lady, eh?

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Still can a McCain supporter tell me why ayers wasn't an issue 1 month ago for McCain? 3 months ago form McCain?

Why now? Oh because your loosing, right!

Thats why this irrelivant. It not genuine, just roose.

Palin/McCain 08 (Igloo trash an a erratic old Irish hot-head.)

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

".......Charlie Keating, the banker and anti-pornography crusader, would ultimately be convicted on 73 counts of fraud and racketeering for his role in the savings-and-loan scandal of the 1980s.

That crisis, much like today's subprime-mortgage meltdown, resulted from misbegotten banking deregulation, and ultimately left taxpayers to pick up a tab of more than $124 billion.

Keating, who raised more than $100,000 for McCain's race, lavished the first-term congressman with the kind of political favors that would make Jack Abramoff blush. McCain and his family took at least nine free trips at Keating's expense, and vacationed nearly every year at the mogul's estate in the Bahamas. There they would spend the days yachting and snorkeling and attending extravagant parties in a world McCain referred to as "Charlie Keating's Shangri-La."

Keating also invited Cindy McCain and her father to invest in a real estate venture for which he promised a 26 percent return on investment. They plunked down more than $350,000......"

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

When people make emotionally charged statements about others, they reveal much about themselves. So what are McCain and Palin revealing when they accuse Obama of terrorist ties?

McCain killed innocent civilians in Vietnam for ideological reasons. How is that different from Al Qaeda?

Palin anxiously awaits Armeggedon, imagining she'll be on the side of God as harsh judgment is spilled out on those she considers infidels. How is that different than Osama?

What's different is that they'll have the most deadly arsenal of weapons in the world at their fingertips if elected.

Jesus said we'll reap what we sow. Do you believe him, or not? I think we should start looking for ways to be kind and helpful to all. That's the best defense.

I give credit to God for our blessings. Attributing them to the "free market" is idolatry.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 9, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

>Obama's base support is blacks, die-hard democrats, and the young who think he's cool, and the above doesn't bother them. Enough said.

McCains base is old white guys, die-hard conservatives and bigots. Oh Igloo trash. Enough said.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

McCain could care less about the economy and the American people. He is to busy trying to blame Obama for something that happened when he was 8 years old.

Posted by: MarcMyWords | October 9, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Dano111 said re Ayers association with Ayers:
"Yes, what he did when he was young"

Ayers said as late as around 9/11 that he felt the terrorists had not done enough."

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 9, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

There is fascinating story about mccain in the Rolling Stone---some of it is in mccain's own words, also some generals and former colleagues. It is shocking and no comment on it from mccain and company...


".....At least three of McCain's GOP colleagues have gone on record to say that they consider him temperamentally unsuited to be commander in chief. Smith, the former senator from New Hampshire, has said that McCain's "temper would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind, it should disqualify him." Sen. Domenici of New Mexico has said he doesn't "want this guy anywhere near a trigger."

And Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi weighed in that "the thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded."........."

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/8

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Beating a dead horse shows pretty poor judgment. The polls have repeatedly shown that this strategy is failing miserably. Keep up the good work

Posted by: Dogpound | October 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many people are selling stocks because they think it is inevitable that Obama will be our next president. At least we will have free healthcare, even if we have to stand in line for 6 month to get it.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

It was 40 years ago!

(Yawn) An old, old talking point wrung dry in the primary.

Again, the GOP base talking to the GOP base.

Fall in line like the disciplined sheep you are! bahhhhhh bahhhhhh!

Palin/McCain 08(Igloo trash and an erratic old
Irish hot-head.)

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Just in case anyone care about our economy (remember that?)the stock maket is down 650 point.

Kiss your retirement accounts goodbye.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:12 PM


I agree with you 100%. That is why Mc Cain and his involvement with the Keating 5 is the only topic of past associations anyone should be worried about, because he has a history of helping deregulators who steal the retirements of the people. Keating is a financial scandal that lost alot of people their retirements and benifits and Mc Cain was a DIRECT benifactor of Keating and gave him favors DIRECTLY to call of an investigation of is illegal activities of stealing money from us all. Mc Cain did halt an investigation, did take money from him, they where DIRECT contacts and friends he sought for financial knowledge and wisdom. That is the only real connection in this race that means anything about this Presidency and our issues we face today. Perhaps Mc Cain brought up Ayers again to cover this fact up before the Democrats used this fact. I dont know. Prioritizing the facts VS innuendo says that the FINANCIAL crisis with KEATING is the only topic worth discussing during our current FINANCIAL CRISIS.

Posted by: acbasurto | October 9, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

>"Would you or anyone you know associate ( in any way ) with someone who wanted to bomb the US Govt and kill people.

The rebublican charity board he sat on did. The University of Chicago did.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

CNN just had 3 black republicans on their show, defending McCain and enunciating of why McCain is more qualified to deal with all the problems we have in this country. To my dismay, CNN reporter, Rich Sanchez, asked these black man if they are selling out their community. This is a great example of how our Press Selling out to the far left wing policies. Shame on your Rich Sanchez.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 9, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The Dow's at 8,759 and McCain thinks we could care about this Ayer guy? Get a life, John. Run your campaign about policies, or get off the stage.

Posted by: BluGrass | October 9, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

So let talk about the Keating 5 savings and loan scandal. Keating was a criminal. McCains involement cost taxpayers Billions.

Hows that for character?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

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tbastion said:
"Ayers did have responsibility for killing people. He was never tried as he got off ( as well as his wife ) on a technicality... illegal wiretapping....

"Would you or anyone you know associate ( in any way ) with someone who wanted to bomb the US Govt and kill people. Would you knowingly sit on a board with that person ( especially if you had political ambitions ) would you start your political career at their house."

Obama's base support is blacks, die-hard democrats, and the young who think he's cool, and the above doesn't bother them. Enough said.

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Posted by: Billw3 | October 9, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

>Did the Weather Underground ever actually harm anyone

No, by factual definition he is not a "terrorist". Rather an extreme protester in the late 1960 (40 years ago). Yes, what he did when he was young was dumb, but thousands of people used violence in the against vietnam war.

since then ayers has won adwards, served ob charity boards and is a proffesor at the University of Chicago.

Watching the news and reading journalist articles, no one would know.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Just in case anyone care about our economy (remember that?)the stock maket is down 650 point.

Kiss your retirement accounts goodbye.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Dear saveoursouls,
Over 50% of America's work for small business. This is growing very day
Posted by: tbastian
________________________________________
I am not sure what you are saying.
I suppose you are alluding to the profit margins of small-businesses?

Posted by: saveoursouls | October 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Did the Weather Underground ever actually harm anyone (other than an accident to their own people)?

If William Ayers is such a terrorist, how can he be a distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago?

Posted by: history5 | October 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Um... Excuse me Mr. McCain. But has anybody mentioned to you that our country happens to be in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
But all you can come up with is Ayers?
Obviously it is campaign first with you and to hell with our country.

Posted by: frankdiscussion1 | October 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Okay, you convinced me ... I won't be voting for Bill Ayres this election.

Posted by: Dogpound | October 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Good to see you've opened your eyes and see the light. You've got brain cells after all. Welcome, brother.

News flash: it's generally the rich screwing the poor. When's the last time you heard of the poor or middle class oppressing the rich? Or peddling their influence in the halls of power? They didn't want or start class wars--just fairness and respect.

Oh yeah, I like to stick it to the "rich," but not because they have more money than me; I have no issues with people wanting to be wealthy. I'd love a bit more scratch myself. What I have issues with are the greed and self-serving attitudes that serve to diminish the strength and stature of OUR (as in all of us) American society, whether financially, morally, spiritually, or humanistically. Are all rich people bad and others good? Of course not, but look at history and follow the money, and this "class" of people are lacking. If you want to wear the mantle of being a noble human being, of being a fellow American citizen in OUR great experiment of freedom and merit, then stop acting oppositely of that ideal.

Posted by: tensity1 | October 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The thing is Keating did exist and Mc Cain was investigated for helping steal money from the public and our government had him in questioning for taking money and recieving vacations from this guy right at the time he was stealing money from us. Mc Cain also stopped an investigation in this criminals past with his senatorial powers and that is all fact of how that went down and why he was investigated. Mc Cain is the crooked politician. Because he and and John Glenn where both heros and the rest of the Keating 5 where not they got off while the others where punished. Mc Cain recieved more money and vacations from a stronger relationship with Keating than any other of the 3 that got punished and lost their careers. Those are the facts and Mc Cain is the PROVEN one to be dangerous for the American economy not just in his temper but also for our economy.

Posted by: acbasurto | October 9, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the McSame propaganda is that you have to have half a brain and be an unsophisticated fool to believe it. Oh, I get it, they're appealing to their base.

Posted by: crossroadsnow | October 9, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin have the same kinds of ties Obama has.

McCain has ties to ex-KKK members (Byrd) and felons convicted of fraud (Keating, whose organization donated to McCain's campaign this year, still).

And Palin has the same kinds of ties to America-hating secessionists (Palin's married to an AIP member and has spoken at meetings).

McCain and palin's ties are precisely the kind of ties that Obama has with ex-terrorist Ayers and liar Rezko.

What's the difference between the dirty people who have helped Obama/Biden and the dirty people who have helped McCain/Palin? Nothing

Now McCain has rolled out Murtagh, who unfortunately was an innocent victim harmed by one of Ayers' many wicked activities. The problem with this, you ask? Well, Murtagh himself also has his own ties to radical protesters: Murtagh served as a lawyer for a Catholic priest who led protests at an abortion clinic that turned violent. So even Murtagh's hands are not clean of the same kind of association that McCain wants Murtagh to blame Obama for...

NO ONE has hands that are clean on the issue of having close associations with bad people. Now PLEASE let's move on and talk about the biggest problems our nation has and which person would do the best on the actual issues.

Posted by: ProudAmerican1776 | October 9, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

To try and associate the GOP supporters of being NAZI's is a low class thing to do. I may not like Obama but I would never suggest he is a NAZI. I do think he shows poor decision making and has done what he needed to do to rise in the Chicago political landscape.. by all accounts not the most above board political landscape

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Bush has Nazi's in his family. If Obama is a terrorist(which is a lie)Bush can be a Nazi.

WASHINGTON -- After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 9, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Dear tbastian,

Re below exchange, I would consider the killing of unarmed civilians by either someone serving in the military or someone ont serving in the military to be problematic morally, whether you'd call it terrorism or not.

The difference between soldiers who committed the My Lai Massacre and a pilot dropping bombs is a difference of distance. The pilot does not see the victims and can try to keep an emotional distance. But he still intellectually knows that they suffer and die.

So let's first define terms without bringing in the question of a pilot's distance. So I'll first ask you about My Lai. Maybe you wouldn't call My Lai terrorism. What would you call it?

Once we have a term for that, we can then discuss whether a pilot killing unarmed civilians is comparable to My Lai or not.

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There is only one candidate who, during the 1960's, personally killed civilians en masse. He in considered a hero for it, but at the time was imprisoned for it. Although I do not support his terrorism. I am also saddened by the fact that he was tortured for it while he was in prison.

Posted by: jakdur

Jakdur- This has to be the DUMBEST post I have seen in a while. Serving in the military is NOT terrorism. I guess in your eyes America is a terrorist nation. Perhaps you should look at changing citizenship to another country such as Iran.. I am sure they would love to have you

Posted by: tbastian

Posted by: jakdur | October 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

THIS JUST IN!

JOHN McCAIN AND TIMOTHY McVEIGH SHARED A POLITICAL AFFILIATION! McVEIGH USED TO BE A REPUBLICAN!

It's true - McVeigh was registered as a Republican in New York in the 80s, before he blew up a building in Oklahoma City (and was eventually executed for it)... So, I guess that it is fair to say that McCain and Palin ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!!!

Obviously, this was intended as sarcasm. But fair is fair, right?!? If the GOP can try to tar Obama over his tenuous relationship with Ayres (who, by all accounts, has become a real force in improving Chicago's education system - query why that is never mentioned in the right wing media), then turnabout should be fair play, too.

It has been truly sickening to watch McCain demean himself and destroy his supposed integrity in the pursuit of the Oval Office. I used to think that he may have been the "right man at the wrong time", but over the past few weeks he has shown himself to be simply the "wrong man... at any time".

Palin, on the other hand, is simply an idiot. Tina Fey would have been a better selection.

Posted by: Impartialobserver | October 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Dear saveoursouls,

Over 50% of America's work for small business. This is growing very day

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Dear Manchurian_Candidate,

I would gladly debate you on issues. After you have attacked me as a Gas station attendant. I assure you I am not.

Logic states that when someone is making an A@# out of himself get out of the way and let him.

So, please go ahead.

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The main problem with the Ayers attack and all logic with Republicans using it is??? Well if all of these supposed radical links with muslims and terrorists really existed why havent any agencies including the CIA, FBI, NSA, Secret Service, police, or any body ever put anything on Obama to investigate him for running for the FREAKING PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! You see the illogical thinking in this Republican process of trying to make Obama look unsafe? You can guarantee that Mr. Nush and Mc Cain have already looked with their resources of these agencies to discredit or stop a Democratic Presidency and yet nothing???? Do you see the logic now with Ayers or any radical relations when you are running for the President? It just doesnt exist or it would be investigated right now by agencies if the man had any.

Posted by: acbasurto | October 9, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"The whole "terrorist" thing, I pray, won't work with most level-headed Americans. I could care less if Obama served on a board with a man who bombed building in protest of the Vietnam war. That's not a terrorist in my book. To my knowledge Ayers never killed anybody either. McCain is DESPERATE and this is all he can come up with."


Facts are facts and trying to hide behind it won't make it go away. Obama grew up and cut his teeth in Chicago, the most historically corrupt city in the nation. Chicago is notorious for dirty politicians, policemen and the mob.

As the Proverb goes: "Man who go to bed with itchy butt wake up with sticky fingers".

Problem is that people hate Bush so bad (and I completely understand that), that their judgement is impaired and refuse to see the facts. Is McCain perfect?? No, but at least his intent is more admirable that Obama.

Just 3 years ago, you never heard of Obama. Now he's about to take the presidency. That should raise some questsions. He's corrupt and a bought man who couldn't care less about you or anything else except himself and his friends.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 9, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

To tbastian:

I find it amazing that small businesses employ most of the people in this country,
whereas large corporations choose to take all their wealth and resources elsewhere.

I am a small business owner myself, but would not want fit the mold of the robber-barons.

Posted by: saveoursouls | October 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The two worked together on charitable projects. Oh the Horror!

on the other hand...

Right now the U.S strategy in Iraq is to pay off the same individuals responsible for killing our soldiers in order to prevent further attacks. That is a major component of the Surge.

Ayers is a non-issue.

Posted by: warsolution | October 9, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

What, exactly, is "alacking"? Without that word, I don't understand the post!

Posted by: Manchurian_Candidate | October 9, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Dear ObamaWins1 ,

Thanks. I think we can all have a discussion on the issues without getting nasty. I do truly believe that BOTH sides have the best of intentions but have a different view point on how to get there.

Most Americans are employed by small business and what we really need is help for these companies more than anything.

Most of my customers are actually Dem's so if Obama wins I'll probably be better off since they will suddenly spend more money with me. But, from I have to vote with my conscience not solely based on what is best for my own pocketbook.

Bottom line, the country wants change and we will get it one way or the other. Maybe not all we want but some progress has to be netter than none.

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

To: MarkInAustin

You speak as if you know John McCain.

You could not know anymore about John McCain's heart and what he is hiding,
than you claim to know about Obama.

Are you sure you even know your own heart.

Does it matter what others see about your heart.
It appears to be rancid and bound by chains and barbed wire?
Do you like revealing such an character flaw to others?

Some things need to be hidden.

Posted by: saveoursouls | October 9, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

As for McCain, his love of G.Gordon Liddy are one thing compared his associations to others that are of a much more dangerous force...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/7/13625/6073/598/622825

Posted by: flowermerchant | October 9, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I too would put G Gordon Liddy up against Ayers. He is way bigger and I think he could keep Ayers away from his body with that long reach. If it comes down to footwork though, we know Liddy doesn't move around real well, at least in tight spaces, like offices, and Ayers seems to run and hide pretty darn good. I'm not sure who I'd put money on, but I think Ayers would be way more explosive!

Posted by: Manchurian_Candidate | October 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I'll see your Ayers and raise you the Keating Five & Alaskan Independence Party.........call!

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | October 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Why do some, continue to say "Ayers was 40 years ago get over it" Our childern would be in a hellova state if we ignored history over 40 years ago... Imagine no Hitler, Viet Nam, Wrtight brothers or Martin Luther King. Oh, but you want selective memory. Ayers is okey. Not for me, this SOB, is good for nothing, and any accociation with him should be questioned...

Posted by: 75shovelhead | October 9, 2008 2:58 PM

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That's all fine and good, but what does it have to do with Obama. They served on the same board of a charity with other people. This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. What is McCain trying to say, that Obama is a terrorist because Ayers serves on the same charity board. The guy hasn't done anything wrong for the last 40 years. Give it a rest already! You want to hold it against him, fine, leave Obama out of it because he didn't have anything to do with it. If you talk to a guy that you work with and he turns out to be a closet drug dealer, should we label you a drug dealer to.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

First, Ayers was an alleged FORMER terrorist. His apparently turned a new page long ago and involved himself in community service.
Second, can any of the Republican yahoos find a shred of evidence that Obama and Ayers were involved in work other than community service? Were they up all night plotting attacks? I hardly think so.
I don't think that most people actually believe that Obama is linked to terrorism nor do they believe that Bill Ayers is a terrorist today either.
This is plain idiocy and fear card tactics that are going to blow up (figuratively speaking, of course) in McCain and Palin's faces.

Posted by: vernoncormier | October 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The flimsiness of the Ayers connection as relevent to this presidential campaign is one problem for McCain, as well as the possibility that Obama can start talking about McCain's own associations that bear directly on the economic crisis: the Frannie Mae lobbyist, Phil Gramm and McCain's 'tight' relationship with lobbyists. It's a bad road to go down, McCain. Get back to the issues and fight there. As a soldier, you're supposed to know that you focus on the KEY targets.

Posted by: bweyand1 | October 9, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Honesty and judgement is what Obama is alacking.

Obam could have told us that Ayers help him with fund reasing and gave him a job once. Instead, Obama lied, he told us he was "8 years" when Ayers were bumbing New york police stateions.

Obama's tax and spending policy is a catastorphie in the making in the current economic conditions. One trillion dollars of new entitlement programs that taxpayers dollars that we don't have.

Obama's ideology is down right dangerous for our nation's security and well being.

Posted by: konalimu | October 9, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I'll put G. Gordon Liddy up against William Ayers any day. At least McCain is proud of, and does try to hide, his friendships.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

THE SENTENCES SUM_UP WHAT THE PARTY GOP REPUBLICAN STANDS FOR,AND THEY ARE:

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 9, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

tbastian,

I see you have successfully completed "Sarcasm 101", which is a core course for all Bob Jones students. Tell me, have you been indoctrinated, AHEM I mean learned about debate or logic yet? I think you may find them fascinating!

Posted by: Manchurian_Candidate | October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Dear tensity1,

You are so right.. We need to tax the heck out of those evil rich people. They don't do anything. have never worked a day in their life and just take all of our money and waste it and hold us down.....

They don't create a single job either or give you a pay check. Class warfare is the way to go

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

tbastian-
John McCain seems to have his own William Ayers. His name is G Gordon Liddy. McCain has called Liddy a friend, he makes appearances on his radio program and he receives contributions from Liddy. Liddy as we all know served 4 years in federal prison for his connections to the Watergate break ins. It wasn't JUST what Liddy got caught for, it was what extent he had agreed to go in defense of Nixon. Liddy had planned to murder of an unfriendly newspaper reporter.

Posted by: patrickobrady | October 9, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

tbastian,

I agree with you on this point. Let's not constantly call the other side a Nazi. I probably don't agree with you on anything else but on this I do. Attacking someone based on their personal differences rather than the substance of their argument is pretty base. However, it is exactly what McCain and Palin are doing with the Ayers nonsense.
As an aside, I will say it is refreshing to hear someone on the right express themselves without attacking or belittling people on the left.

Posted by: ObamaWins1 | October 9, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

tbastian,

Did you actually go to Bob Jones? I was kidding, but if the shoe fits. . .

Posted by: Manchurian_Candidate | October 9, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Is change altering our spending priorities away from national defense and weakening our military or homeland security in a time of uncertainty both at home and abroad?

Democrats will still control both houses of Congress and add more House and Senate members after this election. I promise you they are not about change. They are about taxing and spending.

Electing President Obama would eliminate important checks and balances on liberal Democratic power in Washington and that could be a disaster. It was a disaster when Bush and the Republicans controlled it all. It was a disaster when Clinton and the Democrats controlled it all.

Posted by: konalimu | October 9, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

When you are fighting a brand, you must redefine the brand. "Change" means what? Is change the "Robin Hood tax policies" of traditional Democrats that shifts earned wealth from productive people and small businesses that create jobs to those who have not had the same success?

Is change adding billions of new entitlement programs as promised by Obama in a time of record deficits? That is certain to make the recession deeper and last longer.

liberation theology


More from Ed Rollins of CNN in the next post.

Posted by: konalimu | October 9, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

To tbastia:
You are taking on the role of a radical, finger-pointing incinuary device, who is about to implode.

You are what is wrong with your family, your neighborhood, America, and indeed the whole world. You have no real life unless you plaster your personal filth upon others.

It is you who has something very terrible to hide, and you know it.
Take a look in the mirror.
Stare back at what you see straight in the eyes, and when you have come to terms with your own guilt, then you will not need to laden others with what is obviously tearing you apart.

Posted by: saveoursouls | October 9, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Dear Manchurian_Candidate,

Thanks. Since he is so highly educated he should show better judgment. Obviously, he just didn't know and when he found out I am sure he instantly distanced himself and removed himself from ever associating with him. So, I guess sitting on those boards and having 12-14 meetings with Ayers was a figment of our imagination. Since from someone of his advanced intellect and superior brainpower he NEVER would have associated with a terrorist.

Glad that is settled.

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Wake up geniuses, how many years and economic failures does it take to realize that trickle down economics is a sham, that it doesn't work? How many times do we need to revisit this circus? Chase the double-talking carnies out of town when they bring their show back around. Sorry, carnies, didn't mean to disparage you by comparing you to the elitist Republicans who only care about raping others intellectually, morally, and financially for their benefit. My bad.

Keep in mind, people, that even with all the good in humanity, we're still greedy, self-serving monkeys. It's no surprise the rich (and wanna-be rich) use their money, power, and influence to subvert the system to their benefit. Unfortunately, this short-sightedness affects us all--rich, poor, and in-between--with a tanking economy. Keep it up, and social issues and instabilities will be exacerbated, and then history will just repeat itself with the decline and dissolution of another great society.

Posted by: tensity1 | October 9, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

tbastian,

How many posts do you read a day? Sheetz must not be very busy. Damn Iraqi oil!

Posted by: Manchurian_Candidate | October 9, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

America is watching the economy disintegrate, people are in no mood for the brain-dead crap McCain and Palin are dishing out.

Everyone knows that McCain has his own problems with domestic terrorists in the form of wacko clinic bombers and their supporters.

Everyone knows Palin has her own problems with the truly seditious & treasonous Alaskan secessionists, let alone her facination witchhunters, and of course abuse of power in her own state, etc. Not to mention that her family is a pathetic mess.

But we really don't care about all that drama, because we have moved on...and past... the whole fatally flawed McCain/Palin circus

Posted by: plaza04433 | October 9, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

So let's sum up Obama's Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of "God damn America" fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is William Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth.

Even apart from the details of the Obama/Ayers connection, two key points emerge:

a) Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm's-length; and

b) Obama was consciously guided by Ayers's radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of CAC grant funds.
By Dickmorris.com

Posted by: konalimu | October 9, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

There is only one candidate who, during the 1960's, personally killed civilians en masse. He in considered a hero for it, but at the time was imprisoned for it. Although I do not support his terrorism. I am also saddened by the fact that he was tortured for it while he was in prison.

Posted by: jakdur

Jakdur- This has to be the DUMBEST post I have seen in a while. Serving in the military is NOT terrorism. I guess in your eyes America is a terrorist nation. Perhaps you should look at changing citizenship to another country such as Iran.. I am sure they would love to have you

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Dear tbastian,

you are correct, he was a Harvard Educated Lawyer. . . not a Bob Jones educated hustler

Posted by: Manchurian_Candidate | October 9, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin are playing a very dangerous game. It is horrifying to hear shouts of "kill him, kill him" from the audience at their rallys and they do nothing to stop it!! Do we really want these hate mongers running our country?

Posted by: linda20 | October 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Message to the undecided voters:
If you think Palin is suitable to become the president of the USA, vote for the Republican.

If you think that she is not, vote for the Democrats.

There is no point in talking to the extremist, racist zealots on both side of the parties. Its a waste of energy.

Posted by: nagamas1 | October 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear fiftyplus, You are right Obama was 8..... but he wasn't when he went to the fundraiser to start his political career. He was a Harvard educated lawyer.

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

There is only one candidate who, during the 1960's, personally killed civilians en masse. He in considered a hero for it, but at the time was imprisoned for it. Although I do not support his terrorism. I am also saddened by the fact that he was tortured for it while he was in prison.

Posted by: jakdur | October 9, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

News flash. Here are some tell-tale statistics. Senator Obama was born in 1961. Bill Ayers went underground in 1969. So Mr. Obama was EIGHT YEARS OLD at the time. You figure it out.

Posted by: fiftyplus | October 9, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately the hate and race-baiting tactics employed by many in the Republican party has, by association, linked other people who have no such affinities all together.

That is what has happened to Obama regarding Ayers past life, and the more radical sentiments of Mr. Wright; labels that those in which too many with Republican views are so versed at.

The truth is that there is good and bad from all sides...It just takes wisdom to discern (now that is a rare commodity).

Posted by: saveoursouls | October 9, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I am simply not surprised anymore with what the McCain campaign comes up with. Soon they are going to start claiming that Obama is the antichrist. Throughout this campaign, they have managed to stoke fears that Obama is muslim (like simply being one is a dangerous thing, but the fact that Obama is actually christian is not known to many people), link him to all sorts of associations with crooks, sometimes simply on the basis of Obama being in the same room with a person, lie about his tax plan for the middle class, continue to charge that the media is biased (i.e. working the ref). Now they claim Barack Obama is associated with the Ayers (Obama was 8 when they were active!). There is a difference between an casual acquaintance, and an undeniable influence on someone's decisions. Yes, indeed Obama has gone into attack mode as well, but his attacks are based on far more relevant associations like McCain's deep links with Lobbyists (the McCain campaign is both financially supported and staffed by lobbies, and he has demonstrated his culpability to corrupt commercial influence thru the Keating 5 scandal), McCain's dangerous healthcare plan (taxing your healthcare benefits to give you healthcare tax credits), his proposal to open up social security for investment decisions (good idea, but also adding considerable risk to people's security net), and McCain's behavior (claiming that the fundamentals of our economy is strong, and then messing up the bailout talks for political gain, his impulsive my-way-or-the-highway approach to foreign policy, his irresponsible selection of Palin), his tactics of dividing the electorate on choices that do not matter to the challenges we are facing today (guns, abortion, gay marriage etc), and his unethical attempts at voter caging across swing states to disqualify democrat votes. So while both campaigns have gone negative, we need to take things into perspective, and understand the difference between mud slinging versus relevant criticism, they are very different things. I have given up trying to convince the hard-core right wingers, and racially prejudiced people, because these are a group that have been completely swayed by their own preconceived notions about a candidate they have not even tried to read up about. This group has been hugely influenced by John McCain's systematic strike at the media establishment (so they can say anything they want) and of late blatent hate mongering, to believe only what John McCain is saying, and have been programmed to allow their prejudice to claim that Obama is not experienced enough. TRUTH IS, YOU CAN HIRE EXPERIENCE AND YOU CAN BUY KNOWLEDGE, BUT WHAT YOU CANNOT CHANGE IS A PERSON'S JUDGMENT AND THE FUNDAMENTAL MORAL COMPASS THAT GUIDES IT. I am hoping that the Independent voters and undecided voters, who tend to be more deliberate, and inquisitive in their considerations would be able to make these critical distinctions between a candidate willing to stoop to baseless attacks, endless distractions, and relentless lies to win, and another who has been consistent and resolute in his pursuit of real change for America.

Posted by: andytoh | October 9, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Rather than rehashing old radicals from the sixties, how about looking into where the money that the Bush administration gave to AIG went. Right AFTER getting their bailout money,
AIG executives headed out on a taxpayer funded junket to the St. Regis resort in California. While there, they had a blast at our expense. They helped themselves to:1
$201,047.42 for hotel rooms and $147,301.71 for catered banquets
$23,380 for the hotel spa and another $1,488 for the salon.
Golf for $6,939.09 and $5,016.32 spent at the Tavern.

Friends, countrymen, and countrywomen - that's our money, and our children's money. Money that could be going for health care, infrastructure, schools - is going for parties for Wall Streeters. You know why they are celebrating? Because they know that Americans can be so easily distracted by Faux News about 60's radicals that may have been on community boards.

If you are really, really stupid, you should vote for MCain and Palin and let them run this country into the ground.

Posted by: lorax2 | October 9, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
-John McCain?

Nope

-Adolf Hitler?

Yup.

Posted by: Manchurian_Candidate | October 9, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

To try and associate the GOP supporters of being NAZI's is a low class thing to do. I may not like Obama but I would never suggest he is a NAZI. I do think he shows poor decision making and has done what he needed to do to rise in the Chicago political landscape.. by all accounts not the most above board political landscape.

As usual, Dem's take great pride in calling anyone associated with the GOP extreme right winged radicals. Spouting hate and fear.

I guess both sides are very guilty of doing this since it is a very emotionally charged topic but if possible please refrain from calling us Nazi's. To some this is repulsive. The extermination of a people due to race or religion is not something to take lightly.

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Given the fact that Ayers was elected "Person of the Year" in Chicago in 1997 and that he is now considered to be a respected member of the Univeristy of Illinois/Chicago faculty and that the Ayers issue didn't come up with the McCain camp until they realized they needed to do an about face in the polls - hmmmm - with the logic being used it must be true that all the members of the faculty and administration at the University of Illinois/Chicago are also terrorists - they interact with Ayers every day.

This type of baseless attack reminds me of McCarthyism in the 1950s - very ugly,not accurate, not honorable, and bad for the country (definitely not country first).

Posted by: mwrbzr | October 9, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Challenge to Voter Registration
Tens of thousands of eligible voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law, according to a review of state records and Social Security data by The New York Times.

Still, because Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, according to state election officials, any heightened screening of new applications may affect their party’s supporters disproportionately. The screening or trimming of voter registration lists in the six states — Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina — could also result in problems at the polls on Election Day: people who have been removed from the rolls are likely to show up only to be challenged by political party officials or election workers, resulting in confusion, long lines and heated tempers.
Some states allow such voters to cast provisional ballots. But they are often not counted because they require added verification.

Although much attention this year has been focused on the millions of new voters being added to the rolls by the candidacy of Senator Barack Obama, there has been far less notice given to the number of voters being dropped from those same rolls.

States have been trying to follow the Help America Vote Act of 2002 and remove the names of voters who should no longer be listed; but for every voter added to the rolls in the past two months in some states, election officials have removed two, a review of the records shows.

The six swing states seem to be in violation of federal law in two ways. Michigan and Colorado are removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election, which is not allowed except when voters die, notify the authorities that they have moved out of state, or have been declared unfit to vote.

Indiana, Nevada, North Carolina and Ohio seem to be improperly using Social Security data to verify registration applications for new voters.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 9, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I hate this campaign. I hate the way the Republican Party is attacking Barack Obama.
Why on earth are they campaigning like this?
Why nog focus just on the economy and all the problems as a result of the financial crisis.
By portraying Barack Obama as a terrorist the Republican party is putting his life on risk. Some idiot could, as a result of the attack by Sarah Palin, decide to kill mister Obama. Poor America

Posted by: fjwf | October 9, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin are simply showing their lack of character and their elitist, divisive intolerance by allowing the ape-like chest beating and howling for blood by their followers. They have not the intelligence or humanity to immediately upbraid the people in their crowds screaming, "traitor," "terrorist," or "kill him!" They don't realize that, heaven forbid, if something were to happen to Obama, civil and ethnic war could very well flare up, and that "crazies" on the other side of the fence could very well decide to take retribution on them. This simply shows their lack of judgement and lack of moral fortitude.

Posted by: tensity1 | October 9, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign has decided that McCain's biography as a war hero, experienced lawmaker and "straight-talking maverick" is insufficient to close a growing gap with Obama...anotherwords McCain is admitting that he's getting his arse handed to him on a silver platter and he's scared to death.


Focus on Judgement - Honesty and Personal Ties?


Let's look at them one by one:


Judgement: Barack Obama chose as his running mate Joe Biden. John McCain chose as his running mate Sarah Pailin. John McCain's campaign is erratically bouncing from one crisis to the next. Barack Obama's organization is running with precision, effectiveness that has never before been seen in a Presidential campaign. In contrast McCain's organization (excuse the oxymoron) has been a slow motion train wreck. "High drama" would be the best way to describe McCain's out of control campaign.
Obama is cool in a crisis. McCain has a hair trigger.


Honesty: Barack Obama is probably the most transparent politician to arrive on the scene in the last 200 years. He has written two best selling biographies. Note here: Obama wrote his books himself. McCain used a ghost writer. Obama has already survived the scrutiny of a protracted primary campaign against one of the most powerful political organizations ever. John McCain hides his medical records, his wife's tax returns and continually distorts his voting record.


Personal Ties: There are no personal ties that Obama has that have not been scrutinized and responded to (thank you Hillary!) Most of them are foolish anyway. McCain's personal ties are still a ticking time bomb. Phil Graham and the architects of this mess of an economy we find ourselves in. They are McCain's "personal ties" not Obama's. No one gives a damn about Bill Ayers, especially when they can't afford to pay for gas, food and their mortgage etc.


But more than all that, going NEGATIVE will no longer work. America has seen the "leaders" brought to us by Atwater and Rove and their NEGATIVE campaigns and they are are SICK of it. America is HUNGRY for positive leaders and see that possibility with Barack Obama. All the Mud and Smears that McCain and his cronies are going to throw at Obama will in the old schoolyard saying ... Bounce off Obama and take McCain down.


McCain better take a long hard look in the mirror before he starts bringing up Judgement, Honesty and Personal Ties:
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200810040004?f=h_top
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And you too, Palin:
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/another-aip-off.html
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Ayers was not a friend of Obama's. It was Mccain who was friends with Charles Keating of the Keating 5. It was Mccain traveling with Charles keating with the family and taking bribes. It was Mccain involved in the same deregulation bailout scandal during the keating 5 investigation that were facing now. Its Mccain thats a War Monger. You think fighting 2 wars abroad would be enough but Mccain wants to start a race war right in our back Yard because he's a angry old loser who would proberly die in his first year of office anyway leaving unqualified, dumb, girlish behaving Palin as the president. She can't even formulate a sentence if it isn't written for her. We had a C student already running the country and we sure don't need 2 dummies either graduating at the bottom of their class or attending 7 colleges in 4 years. OBAMA/BIDEN OUR ONLY HOPE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

Posted by: amosdefnails | October 9, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I love the fact that hillary brought this up first and this still pisses off the liberal media - this is great!

Posted by: marxistforobama | October 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I am not surprised McCain is using these un-necessary tactics. However, if you do a little research what type of guy he really is you will find out after reading about his divorce from his first wife. That will tell you everything you need to know about McCain.

How about the other two airplanes he crashed? If it was anyone else they would get throwned out of the Navy. But, now John McCain.

Instead of trying to throw mud he should concern himself what he and his great grandaughter looking VP choice is going to do after his major defeat in Nov.

Posted by: majr99 | October 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

You would not hire a baby sitter with bad refrences would you? Perhaps a bad past? I feel Mc Cain is fundamentally a good American. Someone we in the U.S. can count on. He would rule with a steady hand, has good morals, & values. Mc Cain has the experience we need in a leader. He is strong in his opinion on the finance issue, health care, education, the war, and the economy. There is no question about his loyalty he has a good background. Did not hang around with terrorists good references. Wears courage on his sleeve and puts his , OUR Country first. I will vote Mc Cain as will many here in Wisconsin!!

Posted by: Barrack_007 | October 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The real terrorist lover is that America-hater Walter Annenberg. You know the one, that one. He was ambassador to Britain and a close personal friend to Nixon and Reagan. A life long Republican and comitted conservative. His Annenberg Foundation funded Bill Ayers.

What unpatriotic scum. Ronald Reagan and terrorist piggy-bank Annenberg, palling around.

Now, don't you see McCain fans how silly yet totally true my rant is?

I'm worried about my JOB, not some tenuous connection between Obama and some aged 60's radical who was paid by a Reagan confidant.

This is NOT working!

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks but no thanks my friends,
I'm voting for "THAT ONE."

Posted by: birdiegirl123 | October 9, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Check out Mccain/Palin rally's, you wont believe your ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

Posted by: amosdefnails | October 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

To JUNGLEJIM123:
Just look at yourself, and listen to yourself. You are a self-proclaimed God and judge of all other men's characters, but refuse to look at what sounds like a very miserable self...

You have used so much air already, to have said nothing more than any other hate-spouting, horror to mankind has said, will continue to say, and will only stop saying when their voices have been extinguished.

The good part is that the voice of hatred, dissension and discord will soon be silenced. Your day is coming; and you will have caused your own demise. You see, the burning fire of anger within you is consuming you. I am sure you can feel it.

In place of angry, undisiplined, seething demonic voices, will be a world of peace and harmony, yes even among the nationalities.

I know this is a scenario that you probably would not possibly desire, and a vision that your eyes probably would not want to see.

I know you could not possibly understand why Mr. Wright and his congregation could possibly desire "liberation," from the opressive forces behind voices like yours.

However, Mr. Wright is echoing what you and your surrogates have preached for many many decades... you just call it by another name.

Think about it.

Posted by: saveoursouls | October 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Expect McCain/Palin to continue use of the Bill Ayers "Big Lie" propaganda tool, perfected by Joseph Goebbels, Adolph Hitler and the Nazis during economic hard times in a different era (the Great Depression of the 1930's), to scare the same witless Americans into voting against their own best interests yet again after 8 years. The only thing missing now at McCain/Palin rallies is the Brownshirts and SS. McCain isn't interested in this country. He's interested in rising to absolute power. Funny how we keep electing those who strive to power in Government but who espouse their hatred of government itself. Is it any wonder Bush fumbled Katrina? Iraq? The economy? Sheesh.

Posted by: Don-in-CT | October 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

There is compromise (also known as diplomacy) belligerency, or war. Belligerency leads to blowback and animosity. War leads to death and economic instability. Who would not place diplomacy above the other two?

Posted by: warsolution | October 9, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Anger, Hate, Rage. "Terroist, Kill him, Off with his head, Treason,". If this is what Mccain/Palin rally's look like, Then what would their White look like? Worst than Bush.

Posted by: amosdefnails | October 9, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Socialists_for_Obama for such an intelligent post.

For travelinmamma- Ayers did have responsibility for killing people. He was never tried as he got off ( as well as his wife ) on a technicality... illegal wiretapping....

The issue that it seems MOST don't care about is jugdment. Would you or anyone you know associate ( in any way ) with someone who wanted to bomb the US Govt and kill people. Would you knowingly sit on a board with that person ( especially if you had political ambitions ) would you start your political career at their house.

I don't care if Obama was only 8 when it happened. I was 8 when Charles Manson had people killed. I wouldn't sit on a board with him or go to his house to have a fund-raiser. I have better judgment.

Ayers not only did these things but he still says he DIDN'T DO ENOUGH. That is his only regret.

JUDGMENT MATTERS

Posted by: tbastian | October 9, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

While the economy is failing, McCain is making a call for all bigots and hate-mongers to join his parade of slime. He is desperate and it is a personal call to jihad for his campaign. And they are coming out of the woodwork, every right wing nut in the country is answering the call and coming up with the smear and fear garbage that McCain is begging them for. McCain is not a hero or a leader. He displays the same cowardice that he displayed when he ratted on his Keating Five comrades to escape prosecution. At a Florida rally where Palin called Obama a terrorist some one even yelled Kill Him! - shades of the Nazi hate rallies. McCain is bringing great shame on the electoral process and his erratic behavior makes it clear he is not qualified to be president any more than his junkyard dog running mate.

Posted by: jeffl240 | October 9, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"So it's OK to bring up Palin's whacko, "JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING!" church now? Can we talk about how her pastor chased a "witch" out of a Kenyan village, and how he "cured" 23 AIDS victims through prayer? How about his urging to take Wall Street back from the Jews? He even laid hands on her after he said that."

Bring it up all you like, but the underlying facts remain the same: For 20 years, Obama belonged to a parish where hatred, racism and terrorism was spewed each week.

The only thing Palin is guilty of is having harmless convictions.

Answer the question: Does Obama's associations, not just Wright's, have merit and should they be considered.

No wonder Jessy Jacson wanted to cut his balls off. He doesn't represent his people, he represents his and his terrorism friends' interests.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 9, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Today my son brought home three of his new friends.
Their names - Rev.Right, Ayers and Rezko.
I told my son to cut all relationship with them.
My son said, "Dad I'm planning to become President. And Obama is my role model."

Posted by: jayashiel | October 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Stick with the topic of the article, "The problem with the Ayers Attack."

The problem is the Dems don't have a good solid rebuttal. Mr. Ayers, according to numerous sources, including the Illinois Election registered, donated HUGH amounts to Senator Obama in the past. And Mr. Ayers has never tried to deny his membership and leadership of the Weather Underground. Therefore it is a solid attack to confront the Obama camp with it.

In retaliaton the Obama camp brought up the Keating 5, where the Democract Special Prosecuter said Senator McCain should have never been named for investigation. A blow against the attacker for failure to follow the the legal decision of someone from their own party.

Then of course there is the current spending and advertising by the Obama camp. They have outspent ALL of the other candidates combined and still have a hugh amount of money. All the while claiming the money is being rasied via the internet in amounts smaller than $250.00 per donation so the individual contributor doesn't have to be named. This to the tune of $450,000,000.00 being spent on his run for office. So in that case they are claiming that over 2,000,000 people have donated to his effort for the full amount. For some reason I find that hard to believe when one of his biggest most public supporters is one of the "richest women on earth" and yet she has been strangly silent. I wonder if say someone researched all of her accounts right now if a $100,000,000.00 or more would show up as gone during this election period. It would simply fit with the other "donations" that Senator Obama has taken illegally in the past in both his state and federal Senate runs. Which he later "donated" to other causes.

In the meantime Senator McCain goes on apparently blindly following worn out, poorly performing ideas and strategies.

So here is a suggestion for all. Don't vote for either of these dangerous people. Remember Ron Paul saying this country is in for a financial crisis? And now both parties vote for a "bail out" and with both major candidates supporting it! Senator Obama says he wouldn't have voted for going to IRAQ, but he will vote for spending BILLIONS of our dollars "in a crisis" that is comparable because "something" needed to be done. So ask yourself he wasn't even in office long enough to have to vote on Iraq, which was a "crisis" and everyone (dummycrats and retardicans) said "something has to be done." So how much for change is he really? And of course Senator McCain, well we actually get to look at his response. Follow the leader, just like everyone else, including Senator Obama.

Now that they have voted the same way in the "financial crisis" how can either claim to be different. They have proven they are different legs on the same person.

Posted by: bldgcode1 | October 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree with "thesub" post on this board. The McCain camp is inciting a riot and hate. Most of these people haven't a clue that Ayers is or was back in the 60's. When I hear a radical Republican yell out "Kill him” that scares me. Seems that McCain wants the Presidential job so badly, that he'll stir up the racial pot and hope that one of the "Radical Right" actually takes a shot at Barack. DANGEROUS and un-American

Posted by: jeanne021556 | October 9, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Could someone entertains me how punishing individuals and corporations who make more than $250,000 with heavier tax burden at times of recession would help the economy? I thought those are the ones who run and start companies and create jobs, no? Does Obama's policy look like "lets kill the chicken and share the eggs?"

Posted by: undecided4 | October 9, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Found this post sometime ago....
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Sorry, but the truth isn't "liberal." It's pretty funny to hear you right-wingers screech when things don't go your way, just like infants in the sandbox. And I don't need to be lectured on "loving America" by the same self-loving conservatives who opposed every advance in human rights in this country for the last 70 years. You have destroyed this economy every time you've gotten your hands on it, though Democrats always clean up your messes. You have killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocents around the world. You have beaten, dragged, lynched, and defamed everyone who looks different from you or disagrees with you.

I don't need your moral judgments on liberalism, because you have no ground from which to make them. You are morally, intellectually, and now financially bankrupt. It is you who hate the idea that America means dialogue and compromise--you want it all, all to yourselves.

I love my home and my country too much to cede it to the likes of you. It's not America I hate--it's your philosophy. America is more generous, decent, and kind than you have ever let it be, or would ever let it be.

That said, it's an American tradition to honor our fellow Americans' hatefulness as their "right." So I honor your right to continue hating everyone to the left of Hitler. But you will never, never, get my vote, and I will work as hard as I can to undermine your every effort, in every way I can, as long as I live.

Enjoy watching history move past you. It will whether you want it to or not.

Posted by: Mike A | September 3, 2008 1:50 AM
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Great comment by a real "thinking " American. Thank you, Mike.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 9, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I haven't really seen it mentioned, but I think the real reason McCain was a bit snippety with Brokaw, when Brokaw asked who the candidates had in mind for Treasury secretary, was because McCain had given it no real thought, and it brought up the specter of Phil Gramm. Maybe McCain felt betrayed since Brokaw is supposedly partial to him, and asking this question highlighted McCain's lack of economic knowledge and him being out of touch with the average American.

Posted by: tensity1 | October 9, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"THAT MAN" ???? and "MY FELLOW PRISONERS..." ??? I think dementia is settling in...his time as a POW might have caused more trauma than we know.

Posted by: jykmoy | October 9, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama & Ayers were on the board of the Annenberg Project.
Walter Annenberg was a good friend of Ronald Reagan.
Annenberg introduced Reagan to Margaret Thatcher.
Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister of Great Britain.
In the War of 1812, the British burnt down the White House,
clearly an act of terrorism.

Posted by: RayEstonSmithJr | October 9, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Post this everywhere and kill this atmoshere. Should Obama bring to the forefront the fact that McCain and Palin are creating an atmosphere that may prove to be very dangerous for Obama? Obama is still campaigning across the country in outdoor settings and someone could attempt to assassinate him. All this use of the word terrorist, traitor and treason is outrageous. The Blogs have increasingly become hostile, not only towards Obama but those who support him. Lately, journalist as well have been threatened on blogs and publicly ostracized by right wing fanatics. Should America be concerned that those who will "potentially" be leaders of this country are intentionally creating a volatile atmosphere where someone could be killed. Especially, during these tumultuous times. A man has killed his whole family because of financial difficulty. A 90 year old woman has shot herself in the chest because she was losing her home. If Obama had an unhealthy relationship with Bill Ayers wouldn't the FBI had done something about this already? Wouldn't they have been asking these questions and not McCain? Do they (McCain and Palin) not understand the country we live in? There are crazies and all types of Racist and Conspiracy minded individuals in this country that will stop at nothing once their beliefs are realized. McCain and Palin are doing an injustice to this country.

Posted by: thesube | October 9, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Why do some, continue to say "Ayers was 40 years ago get over it" Our childern would be in a hellova state if we ignored history over 40 years ago... Imagine no Hitler, Viet Nam, Wrtight brothers or Martin Luther King. Oh, but you want selictive memory. Ayers is okey. Not for me, this SOB, is good for nothing, and any accociation with him should be questioned...

Posted by: 75shovelhead | October 9, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

If the media starts telling us that Ayers is hurting Obama at the polls, that's a clear sign that the election results will be screwed with. I don't trust anything Bush and his corrupt sidekicks do anymore. He's got them running the whole friggin country, and it looks like his boy Connell has access to everything he needs to screw with an election.


An article about Connell’s partisan IT activities in George W. Bush’s hometown newspaper, the Crawford, Texas, Lone Star Iconoclast, invokes the specter of the Watergate scandal. It notes, “There’s Ohio in 2004 when his [Connell’s] company (SmartTech) ran election results through his computers before releasing them to Ken Blackwell’s Secretary of State office.” The Iconoclast pointed out in that December 18, 2007, article, entitled “Plumbers 2.0,” that top Bush operatives, including Karl Rove, emailed plans for dismissing eight U.S. attorneys using the accounts set up by Connell gwb43.com and georgebush.com. The IT cyberstructures created by Connell remain in place for the 2008 election. On February 22, 2008, the Akron Beacon Journal reported Connell’s team helped develop the John McCain for President website, just as it helped create the website for the last two Bush presidential campaigns.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 9, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

If McCain keeps this up, it is only going to lead to people questioning his relationships with the likes of Liddy, Singlaub and Keating. This is a no win strategy of a desperate campaign that continues to implode.

Posted by: dcwsano | October 9, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Iceland just collapsed financially...
Who will Americans blame for this?

Posted by: saveoursouls | October 9, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

deal-makers and compromisers are exactly what we don't need. truth and justice are not negotiable. pres lincoln understood that.

Posted by: Jeffrey5 | October 9, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

What's breathtaking Chuxway, is that you can still be fooled by the people who have been doing it for 8 years. Do you really think 4% of US mortgages are causing this global problem? REALLY? Stop. Think. Mustn't there be more to it? If your answer is yes-you might be inclined to investigate changes made by bush-appointed hacks to the SEC for a dramatic change to the "Net Capital" rule-which allowed hyper-leveraging vs capital on hand. But these changes did involve oversight-by the investment houses themselves!
I guess that's just one of the prices one pays for valuing folksiness over intelligence-cultural prominence over pragmatic leadership.
Never before in human history (with the possible exception of Nero), has one clown been responsible for such devastation. All made possible by the politics of cultural fear and loathing.
Welcome back to the trough.

Posted by: whereareweandwhatarewedoinginthishandbasket | October 9, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Aren't most Americans too young to remember the Weathermen?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | October 9, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain deserves honor for his courageous service to his country, right or wrong. I would just like to hear him admit once that the American involvement in Vietnam was wrong. We supported a regime that could not win any election against Ho Chi Minh, their national patriot. The USA and Diem did not comply with the 1954 Geneva Accords to hold elections by 1956. The lesson is not to support illegitimate governments, now matter how nice it might be to have a puppet. I don't know what Mr. Ayers' particular crimes may be. The anti-war left, in general, is overdue to be honored for their service to world democracy and self-determination in solidarity with the people of Vietnam.

Posted by: harris512 | October 9, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"How could anyone stay in a church for 20 years, have his children baptized there, be married there, stand and clap, sit in the pews and still not understand the hatred and racism of Rev. Wright, his minister and spiritual mentor? How can anyone truly believe him?"

So it's OK to bring up Palin's whacko, "JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING!" church now? Can we talk about how her pastor chased a "witch" out of a Kenyan village, and how he "cured" 23 AIDS victims through prayer? How about his urging to take Wall Street back from the Jews? He even laid hands on her after he said that.

Posted by: McBain1 | October 9, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

PROBLEMS WITH PALIN
Obama supporters will enjoy this article. Conservative columnist David Brooks says Sarah Palin “represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party.” He goes on to say he is dazzled by Obama's intellect, skill of perception, etc.

Text and Video Link:
“A Fatal Cancer to the Republican Party” (10/8/08)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/david-brooks-sarah-palin_n_133001.html

Posted by: FellowTraveler | October 9, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

If you are so concerned with the price of John McCains shoes then we need to ask Michelle how much the Jimmy Choo shoes that she wears cost - roughly $400.00- $500.00 a pair. She also grew up in a nice brick home so whats the point ?? Giving several conflicting explanations for anything would indicate deception and while Obama claims he never knew or heard his words indicate otherwise just like most of his actions do. Say one thing- then do another - you can't trust someone like that. Just like OJ saying he is going to spend the rest of his life looking for the killers of Nicole and then you seem him out on everyone's golf courses. We arent buying it !!

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | October 9, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me, but I can't see how crashing several very expensive taxpayer-owned fighter aircraft qualifies McCain to fix the economy (or even to understand that Americans who can barely afford to make the down payment on *one* home aren't going to survive the crash of the economy that Uncle Ronnie Reagan's policies of deregulation are now causing). And wasn't McCain involved in the S&L fiasco a few years ago, in which thousands of middle-class Americans lost or nearly lost their entire savings?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

'Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".'

"The U.S. Savings and Loan crisis of the 1980s and early 1990s was the failure of 747 savings and loan associations (S&Ls) in the United States. The ultimate cost of the crisis is estimated to have totaled around $160.1 billion, about $124.6 billion of which was directly paid for by the U.S. taxpayer."

So we have it on record that John McCain has poor judgment, and he was instrumental in the bailout 2 decades ago that cost us close to $125 billion. That would be close to $170 billion in 2005 dollars, by the way. And now his Party, with his eager support, has thrown another $700 billion our *our* money at the fat bankers like AIG's Board, who used millions of it to hold a "retreat."

It's time for a change in Washington. Removing John McCain from the Senate, and keeping him out of the White House, would be a good start.

Posted by: guyfawkes1 | October 9, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I think that everybody that served with Ayers on the Annenberg Challenge Project should be fired from their current jobs, as well as Ayer's co-workers in the University of Illinois's College of Education.

Posted by: McBain1 | October 9, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The Ford (Ford Motor) family also sponsored a foundation. One can hardly accuse the Ford family of being Republican or to any great extent partisan. Foundations, once funded, seldom follow any tenent of those who founded them. The Ford Foundation has funded numerous programs and advocacies that I'm certain Henry the 1st. wouldn't have approved of. The Annenberg foundation is no more an extension or reflection of the will of the Annenberg Family, than that Ford Foundation is a reflection of Henry Ford. Indeed, isn't that the entire point of these charitable trusts? If management of the Annenberg Foundation knowingly funded programs that were not "on the up and up", then management of the Foundation should be held accountable, not the Annenberg family and their associates. Once a Foundation of this type has been established and endowed, it's virtually impossible for those who endow these Foundations to exercise any control at all over the Foundation. Is it possible that the Annenberg Foundation may have funded a terrorist like Ayers? Certainly. Is it possible that religious charities funded Hammas? Demonstrably yes. Neither is a reflection on good will or religion, but rather the usurpation of those things in pursuance of self serving agenda or the management of these organizations.

Posted by: edweirdness | October 9, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Here are the facts:

When Sen. Obama attempts to conceal his relationships and their importance, by making statements that require us to suspend our disbelief, I sicken.

How could anyone stay in a church for 20 years, have his children baptized there, be married there, stand and clap, sit in the pews and still not understand the hatred and racism of Rev. Wright, his minister and spiritual mentor? How can anyone truly believe him?

How can anyone believe what the Senator says about the people he has distanced himself from?


· Rev. Wright - the former preacher for a church the young Obama needed to belong to in Chicago to further his career. That's not the Reverend Wright I knew was Obama's response. After Sen. Obama threw him under the bus, Rev. Wright noted that Obama was distancing himself because Obama is a politician and that's what a (Presidential) politician needs to do.

· Pastor Michael Pfleger - whose radical ideas and preaching are well known in Chicago went under the bus. Not the Pfleger I knew.

· Bernradine Dorn and William Ayers – Senator Obama sat on a board with Ayers, gave lectures with him, and went to his house for his blessings upon entering politics in Chicago. Ayer's and Dorn's group bombed the Pentagon. Obama has denied a close relationship. New evidence is now showing a much deeper relationship with William Ayers. (See Stanley Kurtz's work)

· And Tony Rezko. He raised money for Senator Obama's political career, gave him a sweetheart land deal, introduced him to influential people, and most likely taught Sen. Obama a lot about corrupt politics in Chicago. Rezko went under the bus after Obama minimized the relationship. There might be new information coming out about this relationship now that Mr. Rezko is apparently singing to the Feds in hopes of reducing his possible jail time.

So what I know is that Senator Obama learned his lessons about Chicago politics well. When it was time to throw someone, anyone, a church, a grandmother, under the bus to advance his political career; he did it with prose and ease.

Also what I know is that people in Chicago understand that politicians say and do the things that politicians believe they need to say and do. Rev. Wright's comment that Obama was distancing himself from himself because Obama is a politician and that's what a (Presidential) politician needs to do - clearly reflects this understanding.

So what is my fear? If Senator Barrack Obama finds himself in the White House, then it is entirely possible (likely) that all of the people mentioned above will be welcomed back into Senator Obama's life. The Senator said that he could no more disown Rev. Wright than he could disown the black community? This leads to my questions:

Will we see Rev. Wright, Pastor Michael Pfleger, Pentagon bombers Bernradine Dorn and William Ayers, Minister Louis Farrakhan and corrupt Tony Rezko and his associates, staying in the Lincoln bedroom?

Will ACORN, an organization involved in causing the current financial crisis and numerous instances of voter fraud, have a seat at his table?

And lastly, will the American Tax Payers be forced to endure the ultimate humiliation by being required to foot the bill for pampering and honoring Louis Farrakhan and the Brothers of Islam, for honoring Senator Obama's racist pastors, for honoring Pentagon bombers and terrorists, for honoring (and possibly pardoning) the Senator's corrupt contributor Tony Rezko and his associates? At this late date, it appears very possible. Therefore, it is imperative for voters to look closely at Sen. Obama's actions, companions and friends.

Those of us who have closely observed the Senator's campaign and the Media's support fully realize just how unfair the playing field is for Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin.

How much attention has been given to the ongoing federal lawsuit challenging Sen. Obama's eligibility to be President (Berg v. Obama)? The answer is very little.

How much attention has been given to Larry Sinclair's allegation's that he did cocaine and engaged in consensual sex with Sen. Obama in 1999? The answer is very little.

How many reporters have been dispatched to Chicago to vet Sen. Obama? The answer is very few.

How many reporters are looking into the new allegations concerning massive amounts of illegal campaign contributions coming into the Obama campaign? Not many.

How many reporters are seriously looking at Sen. Obama's connections to ACORN and the failure of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac? The answer once again is very few.

How many reporters are looking for people who can tell Obama's story? I'm not sure anyone can without damaging Senator Obama. The media is not looking for them.

Who are the people endorsing Sen. Obama? Many of those who want our destruction.

Posted by: Socialists_for_Obama | October 9, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Was William Ayers a role model for Barack Obama? Does anyone know the truth about this question?

Posted by: JimR4 | October 9, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

My friends, my friends!

Country first!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i5T301aAWg

McCain/Palin '08

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm a white suburbanite and I understand that as a politician your background and affiliations are to a large degree based on the socio-economic background that you come from and represent. The South Side of Chicago (where I lived close to) is a radicalizing environment due to the severe conditions. Poverty. Drugs. Crime. If Obama had to forge ties with community leaders he often had to deal with these individuals. Obama's philosphy is one of pragmatism and rationality. There is also a parallel to how he would not hesitate to discuss solutions with distasteful world leaders. He is not an idealogue. He is a deal-maker, a compromiser a person that brings sides together . All good traits.

Posted by: warsolution | October 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I can't understand why McCain's own involvement with contemporary terrorists is not more deeply plumbed by the front-line media.
McCain voted in 1993 and 1994 against making “bombings, arson and blockades at abortion clinics, and shootings and threats of violence against doctors and nurses who perform abortions,” federal crimes. He opposed Colorado’s “Bubble Law,” which prohibited abortion protesters from getting within 8 feet of women entering clinics [Denver Post, 2/27/00]. The law was later upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court.Moreover, while ordinary, law-abiding citizens lost their right to declare bankruptcy, McCain voted to allow those fined for violence at clinics to avoid penalties by declaring bankruptcy. NARAL Pro-Choice America notes that McCain “voted to allow perpetrators of violence or harassment at reproductive-health clinics to avoid paying the fines assessed against them for their illegal acts by declaring bankruptcy.”
Finally, McCain attended a rally in Oregon in the 1990s to help raise money for a woman who shot and seriously wounded a women's reproductive health-care doctor.
Please - don't even get me started on the fact that Sarah Palin gleefully addressed a seccessionist convention in her home state!

Posted by: rdl114 | October 9, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's a good example of the mentality of the McCain / Palin supporters. I'm surprised that these people can even tie their own shoes,much less vote. I'm embarrassed for them.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/mccain-palin-rally-attend_n_133240.html

Posted by: F7711 | October 9, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

This line of attack is doomed for the McCain/Palin ticket. And Sarah certainly knows this. She's fighting for a place on the national scene. She's long ago given up on McCain.
Posted by: Keesvan
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This is an insightful assessment. If McCain wins, Palin will be credited. If McCain loses, McCain will be faulted. Either way, she's emerged as a political celebrity. McCain is nothing more to her than a dying old man giving her a piggyback ride.

Posted by: omega_man | October 9, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama would like us all to believe that he didn't know what Ayers had done. The Harvard and Columbia educated Obama - DID NOT KNOW. Thats even more scarier than the people he has surrounded himself with !!! Of course we know its not true like we know he spent more than 5 hours with Rezko and he DID hear the hate filled racist sermons while his daughters danced in the aisles of Trinity church. While his fan club may believe all his lies many of us do not and we are not being racist by questioning his numerous explanations so lets not go there today.

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | October 9, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

It's become clear that Sarah Palin and Steve Schmidt have convinced John McCain that he needs to seek the support of bigots, the religiously intolerant, and those willing to believe anything they see on Faux News. Hopefully, that is a smaller and smaller share of the electorate.

Posted by: bizecology | October 9, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The biggest problem with the Ayers campaign is that it's irrelevant to what people care about right now -- their futures and the future of the country. McCain is jumping up and down stark naked trying to divert attention from that and the Bush failures. He is trying to distract us from his friendship with Phil Gramm, much more dangerous than any defanged 60's radical.

Posted by: karenfern | October 9, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm still waiting for McCain to explain his association with Sarah Palin.

However, I do enjoy the subtle humor of having Palin - of all people - call for Obama to be more accessible to public questioning. That's such "gotcha" campaigning.

Posted by: ncooty | October 9, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The whole "terrorist" thing, I pray, won't work with most level-headed Americans. I could care less if Obama served on a board with a man who bombed building in protest of the Vietnam war. That's not a terrorist in my book. To my knowledge Ayers never killed anybody either. McCain is DESPERATE and this is all he can come up with.

Cindy McCain had a lot of nerve pointing out that Obama didn't vote to keep her son protected in Iraq but happened to leave out that her husband did the same thing two months later! Funny how she forgot that. And the republicans know it; they just choose to forget that part, don't they?

Posted by: travelinmama | October 9, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's McCain's problem-we don't know HIM! We thought we did, but....

"But consider this: shortly after losing the 2000 election, McCain told an interviewer that there must be "a special place in hell" reserved for the rumormongers.

Seven years later, who is running McCain's South Carolina campaign? Charlie Condon, the former State Attorney General who in 2000 helped spread the innuendo targeting Bridget. If you can't beat them, hire them--even if they've launched racist attacks against your own daughter."

Posted by: whereareweandwhatarewedoinginthishandbasket | October 9, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey McCain! We could care less who he hung out with! It is crap like this that's causing myself and other Republicans to write in a candidate for this election.

Posted by: CommonJoe | October 9, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Once again it is very astounding and breathtaking to see the wrong persons blamed directly for the current deflationary trends. As much as I woudl probably blame Bush and McCain for not aggressively taking steps to do something about it, who we have to thank for the current sub prime debacle is the Democrats pure and simple-- Dodd , Frank, Waters to name a few have defended Fannie and Freddie mac oversight that advised against all that was going on -- but that is not the perception it seems-- if you wish to use this logic -- who would you most expect to advise against giving risky loans out to unqualified customers-- I am sure all would instantly say Republicans which should exhonerate them here and there, yet the most amazing ignorance seems to proliferate.

Posted by: chuxway | October 9, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin: She puts the "preying" back in religion.

Posted by: wgee | October 9, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget folks...

It was a bunch of radicals that founded a country.

A country called the United States of America.


Posted by: jmg670 | October 9, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

flimsy resume and all his friends (and wife) seem to hate America, why?

What does Osama and Obama have in common?

.....they both have friends who bombed the pentagon

-not to mention his econ policy will stifle growth and move jobs elswhere...there goes the middle class

Posted by: spydernk | October 9, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps its time that the states consider secession. Let those states that continue to thrive serve as an example of who's right and who's wrong. It makes scant sense for all of America to be dragged down by the residents of our east and west coasts!

Posted by: edweirdness | October 9, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

John McCain said Americans never quit we make history!
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Fight with me
Fight for what's right for our country
Fight for the ideals and character of a free people
Fight for our children's future
Fight for justice and opportunity for all
Stand up and fight!
Nothing is inevitable.
We're Americans, and we never give up!
We never quit!
We never hide from history! We make history!

Posted by: JimR4 | October 9, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

This whole Ayers tactic (or is it a strategy?) by the McCain campaign is about as tenuous as claiming that John McCain has not fully explained his connections to the Ohio National Guardsmen that murdered 4 students at Kent State University on May 4, 1970.

John McCain simply has not come clean on this!!

Posted by: lgherb | October 9, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

It is very important to the people to know those Obama surrounds himself with. If he consistently associates himself with radicals, he undoubtedly sympathizes with them or is in full agreement with them. My friends and associates have similar ideas about the country and world as I do. Why would it be different for Obama? It seems his track record is full of radical lune-toons. Why would we assume he's not one of them?

Posted by: alaskee | October 9, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

This line of attack is doomed for the McCain/Palin ticket. And Sarah certainly knows this. She's fighting for a place on the national scene. She's long ago given up on McCain.

Posted by: Keesvan | October 9, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

God damn it, Palin is a good looking old ho.

Posted by: omega_man | October 9, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Even if McCain went on the attack regarding the Ayers and ACORN connection, the Obama team could defuse the situation by simply proving up their assertions that there is no connection. One wonders however; why they haven't done this up to this point, unless there really is a connection, and that, my friends is truly a cause for concern. Apparently, there is substance to these allegations, and each day brings increased scrutiny, albeit none of it coming from the MSM.

Posted by: edweirdness | October 9, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who lived in the 60's and witnessed the assassination of JFK, RFK and MLK ~ not to mention other attempts since that time, must clearly know that this HATEFUL, FEAR-INSTILLING tactic by McCain/Palin is flat out DANGEROUS. There are enough racially motived hate crimes already, but to add "pals around with a domestic terrorist" to Obama's resume' is not acceptable, very dangerous, and if he gets harmed, then McCain/Palin must own their part of inciting the crowds to further fear and hatred. I have lost all respect for the war hero ~ STOP IT!

Posted by: PattyABurke | October 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain put country first he would silently fold his tent and go away.
At this point in time he wouldn't recognize honor if he tripped over it. This man makes headlines simply by catering to his militant, fundamentalist base. The world is watching and I’ll take any bet, they want to deal with a calm, cool, intelligent, level headed candidate, who’s very demeanor implies a steady and thoughtful hand on the tiller instead of McCain’s isolationist, military-first governance from a war-hawk, who can’t seem to realize, his time has come and passed. No matter where you live, no matter which nation you hail from or to which political ideology you tend to adhere, the Bush/McCain approach to leadership; belligerent, militaristic, religiously closed-minded, culturally stagnant, environmentally reckless, fiscally irresponsible; has resulted in one of the most epic collapses of a world power in modern history, which in turn has made the rest of the world a more volatile, hostile place for all. Obama is not perfect, he is not a demigod, he is a man, plain and simple. His ideas appear to be well thought out and with everyone’s help in the electorate will help return us to the once great and prosperous nation we once were. Suffice it to say it will take years to undo what Busheconomics has done to us. I for one am willing to put in the work and the time to make my small contribution in whatever way I can to return us back to the dignity we once enjoyed. Are you?

Posted by: Classb4TrashandPalinistrash | October 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

he's a glorified news anchor that obamaman is(no offense to news anchors) he regurgitates lines so well. I'd hire him at my local channel 7.....don't drink the kool aide

Posted by: spydernk | October 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Here is a simple prediction: For the record (let's see if it comes true), when Obama becomes president (and he will), suddenly the markets will become bullish, economic growth will be reported, the banks will discover that they are solvent, unemployment will nosedive, and confidence in the economy will push us into a new era of economic prosperity. All of this will happen by the end of January 2009. And Obama will have only been president for less than a month.

Posted by: learnfrommymistakes2 | October 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Time to roll out our trading partnership with Viet Nam.
Seems like we were at war with them 30 years ago.
They're kinda allies now, eh?
Now, when did Ayers PLAN to bomb Washington???

Posted by: anetgroup | October 9, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: McSameChalin | October 9, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

>When she was speaking to a crowd of
>supporters on this subject, one man
>hollered, "Kill him!"

Even though we aren't told about it, I will bet the Secret Service has that guy's name and knows every place he's been since that day, and if he gets anywhere near a public figure ever again in his life, he will be asked some uncomfortable questions, well out of the view of anyone who might be sympathetic to him. He will probably not realize the mistake he made with his death threat, until he tries to get on an airplane, and is instead escorted into a little room for further security checks and questioning.

Regardless of how favorable you think the political climate may be, you simply do not shout out death threats against a candidate for office, in an arena where hundreds of Secret Service Agents are listening for exactly that sort of thing.

Many federal law enforcement agencies, and the United States Attorney General, have received countless demands to investigate this death threat against Senator Obama, and they simply are not in a position to ignore it or treat it as a joke. You won't see that guy at the next Palin rally, or anywhere else, and I assure you he knows he screwed up big-time by now.

Posted by: jmcgill1 | October 9, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

IF YOU WANT TO EAT JOE AMERICAN AND FEED YOUR FAMILY. AND BE ABLE TO LIVE IN A BUILDING THAT HAS HEAT,WATER ,TOLIET,ELECTRICTY
YOU HAD BETTER VOTE OBAMA..........

Posted by: locksmith1 | October 9, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

At this point, watching Palin and McCain on television is like watching two people caught on Cheaters. They know they are caught, they know they are lying and the only thing they have left is to come up with an outrageous BS lie. We don't believe it and we're not buying it. They can say anything about Obama but we just laugh. It's just that grumbling old again: "My fellow prisoners?"

Posted by: Ahsay | October 9, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The pundits and reporters will tell you it's all about strategy, but I believe that at least a large portion of this years voters actually care about some of the issues. It's not good enough to say that you will turn the economy around you have to have some history of a belief in an economy that works for most Americans. I am an independent, and wealthy enough for the Bush and McCain tax cuts to be beneficial to me, but I can see that the Republican ideals of hands off of the economy, huge deficit spending and tax breaks for the very rich, is bankrupting the country.

What does it matter to my children if I can leave them millions of dollars tax free, if those dollars aren't worth anything? I can understand those few middle class families who own farms or small businesses being concerned about their ability to leave these to their children, and something should be done about it, but we are watching the entire economy going down the drain under the pretense of helping these few deserving families.

I am taking a long term view that we need to stop the slow bleed of our economy. We need to deal with alternative energy technology as though our economy and very lives depended on it. We have to stop borrowing money as though no one would every have to pay it back. The Republicans, for all the good they do for me personally, have run up impossible deficits, gotten us involved in an unwinnable war, used up our military until it has become an impotent force, and they don't even recognize that there is a problem.

Posted by: bjuhasz | October 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 9, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

This is a good example of how one deals with desperation and despair and what they would do if (God forbid)they were in the White House. Like the Bushies before them, the only way they know to deal with adversaries is to either tear them down or ignore them. What happened to bringing the country together?

John and Sarah make a great team! They deserve each other.

Posted by: inewsmaster | October 9, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Palin was happy to see forward, towards future and cunningly made a satire at Biden during debate. She even did not like the idea to see near past, to see how the Bush handle his presidency. Now, what happens to this PIG WITH LIPSTICK or PIT BULL witout LIPSTICK and is dangerously digging down very thin past association of Barry with a guy who did wrong when he was a kid. Do repubs has any sense? This is no wonder that this economic mess is a direct result of these VERY people who has no sense.

Posted by: hut1 | October 9, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain has been pushing a message that he'll bring bi-partisanship back to DC and that we have to have it to be successful. He's totally blowing it with his campaign's attack strategy. I'm hugely disappointed in both McCain and Palin - they could be better than this. They look desperate and out of touch with the real issues. It's really sad to hear that Palin is using such wicked language and stirring crowds into such a negative frenzy that some in the crowd are compelled to shout "kill Obama". If he's assassinated she'll be responsible.

Posted by: JustWondering8 | October 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

ottothewise has the points that should be emphasized in the next few weeks:

"Annenberg has CURRENT ties to Ayers.

Annenberg supports McCain.

Obama has no current ties to Ayers."

Walter Annenberg, former ambassador to Great Britain under Nixon, was a conservative Republican who founded the Annenberg Foundation, an educational forum for promoting education in public schools. Lenore and Walter Annenberg were extremely close friends of the Reagans. Once Reagan is associated with Ayers, no matter how remote, they'll drop this canard like a hot potato.

Posted by: ccallure | October 9, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain is gasping, grasping at nothing...he has already lost; rather, his party has lost and not a single American should vote for their efforts...that would be the Patriotic thing to do. Palin can take her so-called Patriotism and take a dog sled ride to Iditerod (sp?).

Posted by: rps4021 | October 9, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The problem is, but for those people he doesn't need to convince to vote for him (the mobs that rule a Sarah Palin campaign stop) no one else cares or will care. It's not new. It was brought out in the primaries. And whether or not you believe it to be true it's just too damned old an event. If I can no longer retire because of an economy for which I blame the Republicans, then I (most people) would for for just about anyone I/we believe could get us out of it . . . and it sure isn't some grump man who keeps wanting to bring up a bunch of "I don't care" BS especially when he is throwing stones in his own glass house. For McCain, the sad thing is he has surrounded himself with people that think this is 2004. Four years in the 21st century is a VERY long time.

Posted by: notbuyinganyofit | October 9, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Implying that Obama is associated with terrorists breeds hate and fear. When she was speaking to a crowd of supporters on this subject, one man hollered, "Kill him!"

This is dangerous politics and, yes, it can encourage a lunatic would-be assisin. If Obama wins, will this kind of pre-election hate can undermine leadership and our country's potential? It destroys my faith in the Republican Party.

Is this patriotism? Generating this kind of ignorance is a tactic used by terrorist leaders, and now by a candidate for vice-president.

Posted by: tomlkidder | October 9, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

There's no McCain transition team because you don't need a team to transition into retirement and obscurity. There's no transition team because They know they've lost.

Even Sarah Palin knows, that's why she's spending her time becoming a hero to the 20% of right-wing, kool-aid drinking, evangelical, Bush-loving whackos. They're her base for her national career. In her ambitious mind, it was no accident that McCain grabbed her for the VP, it was G*d's will.

She's a dangerous demagogue and needs to be watched carefully.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 9, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

McClatchy papers has the scoop

Bush is withholding the intelligence report until after the election because it supports the Obama policies.
The report says, that there can be no peace in Iraq until negotiations address the oil issue, the Kurdish issue.

PS> Bush canceled the planned opening of a small consulate office in IRAN, until after the election, because that too is what Obama would do.

The GOP/Republican party is now holding US foreign policy hostage to John McCain's mistakes.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 9, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I urge all of you, especially any undecided voters, to read Rolling Stone Magazine's cover story in the current edition, "Make Believe Maverick, The Real John McCain." And what a story it is. Read the real story of McCain's life, from birth to present. Even Ronald Regan ended their friendship because of McCain's character flaws. Read the article and find out for yourselves.

Posted by: misschris49 | October 9, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Isnt it treason to provide propaganda to the enemy? You know it is. So why does McCain call himself a hero?
Heroic POW Calls McCain Undisciplined, Spoiled Brat

Air Force Lt. Colonel John Dramesi, a former POW in Vietnam who withstood a month with daily torture sessions that nearly killed him, and who never, unlike John McCain, said a disloyal word about America to his captors (he was awarded two Air Force Crosses), calls John McCain a phony:

"McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man,” Dramesi says today. “But he’s still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in.”

This guy is a true hero. No one faults a POW for saying anything under torture, but to withstand that torture and still maintain your honor is truly heroic. John McCain pales in comparison to this man.

And there's more...

http://nahnopenotquite.com/2008/10/09/heroic-pow-calls-mccain-undisciplined-spoiled-brat/

Posted by: ottothewise | October 9, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

2 words (and 1 letter and 1 punctuation mark)

"G. Gordon Liddy"

Posted by: marty27d | October 9, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The smears and not so subtle innuendos are that:
- Obama is a terrorist
- we can't let the terrorists win

The Republicans are too late. The Ayers/Wright/etc... associations have already been factored into voter's decisions. Thanks to the Democratic debates (thank's Hillary) voters have had time to digest this angle and, warts and all, still more prefer Obama/Biden to the McCain/Palin ticket.

Oh yeah... GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

Posted by: commierag | October 9, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's GIVES 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers.

PS. Today the Alaskan supreme court will rule on the blatant attempt to subvert justice by the GOP. If sanity prevails, tomorrow we will get the report out on Palin's abuse of power.
Todd has confessed in a 25 page deposition, that he helps his wife do the governor job. He also confessed that he harassed people to fire the trooper. Doing so amounted to Sarah harassing people since he works in the gov's office. she is hiding his emails, on the premise that he is part of her government. And since Todd is part of the govt, it is time to look into his behaviors on a wide range of activities, including supporting and membership in the secessionist group, Alaska Independence Party. And how about the relationship of the AIP to the KKK and other southern parties which are presently attempting to end the UNION?

Posted by: ottothewise | October 9, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of transition teams:

Sam Stein at Huffington Post has an interesting look at the transition plans of both campaigns. It's critical to remember that this has nothing to do with presumptuousness about being elected president on November 4 and everything about the smooth transition between administrations. More importantly, having a transition operation in queue allows for a continuity in governance that prevents destructive gaps in tackling our nation's most pressing challenges. From Iraq to Afghanistan to Pakistan to Russia to the threat of terrorism to the economic crisis to global warming to unforeseen challenges, the plate for the next president is overflowing. But...

As the 2008 campaign nears its conclusion, the presidential transition efforts of the two major candidates have become a study in contrasts: Sen. Barack Obama has organized an elaborate well-staffed network to prepare for his possible ascension to the White House, while Sen. John McCain has all but put off such work until after the election.

The Democratic nominee has enlisted the assistance of dozens of individuals -- divided into working groups for particular federal agencies -- to produce policy agendas and lists of recommended appointees. As evidence of their advanced preparations, officials provided a copy of the strict ethics guidelines that individuals working on the transition effort are required to sign.

John McCain, by contrast, has done little. Campaign spokespersons did not respond to requests for elaboration. But one official with direct knowledge, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, expressed concern with McCain's approach. The Arizona Senator has instructed his team to not spend time on the transition effort, according to the source, both out of a desire to have complete focus on winning the election as well as a superstitious belief that the campaign shouldn't put the cart before the horse.

http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2008/10/mccain-not-fit.html

Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Annenberg has CURRENT ties to Ayers.

Annenberg supports McCain.

Obama has no current ties to Ayers.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 9, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

COME ON JOHN. LOOK FORWARD. Too much effort attempting to discredit your opponents (with sometimes half truths). Remember, we're listening to help ourselves decide who's going to be our next President. Think LEADERSHIP!!!!!! www.LikeSoup.com

Posted by: jc2728 | October 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Here's what senile old man McCain doesn't understand:

NO ONE GIVES A CRAP ABOUT BILL AYERS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR GAS, FOOD AND THEIR MORTGAGE!!!


McCain doesn't want to talk about our tanking economy because it doesn't affect him and his fancy lifestyle.


McCain in April 08 declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and economic adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "Americans are whiners about the economy" remarks, is back with the McCain campaign again.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.


In his defense, McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.


*The $100 Million Man*
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.


*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.


*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.


*McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break*
Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.


*Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt - Priceless*
That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.


*Charity Begins at Home*
As Harpers documented earlier this year, the McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:
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Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
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Ironically, the McCain campaign last week blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.


*Private Jet Setters*
As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."


*Help on the Homefront*
In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."


*Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes*
If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

If McCain announces Romney as Secretary of Treasury, Obama should announce Hillary(or Bill)as Secretary of State and Al Gore as Secretary of the Interior.

Posted by: nharzo | October 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

No wonder McCain and Side Show Barbie are talking about anything and everything but the real issues like the economy, healthcare and Iraq!!!


Troopergate Report'll Come Out Tomorrow


You betcha bottom dollar that tomorrow, there'll be report.


Despite Palin's flip-floppin' on cooperatin' with the investigation, despite Republican efforts to drag those doggone activist judges into this thing, the report is comin'.


"At 3 p.m. today, lawyers for six Republican legislators who last week lost a court case seeking to halt the legislative investigation will try to persuade the state Supreme Court to overturn Superior Court Peter Michalski's dismissal of the case."

"Meg Stapleton, a local spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, said Todd Palin is answering Branchflower's questions but isn't hopeful of a fair outcome."

"Todd certainly wants to make sure that everyone knows he has nothing to hide," she said. "But Todd and the governor both feel the outcome was predetermined and prejudged back when the governor was named a vice presidential candidate."
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53632.html
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Well Meg, where I come from, it's called fairness, just simple fairness. OK, I'd like to just really quickly mention there, too, that when you look back and you say that you'll cooperate with an investigation, and Republicans vote for it and all, and then you say it would be just all partisany, and that's not accurate.


But I guess it's so obvious I'm an Alaskan outsider. And someone just not used to the way you guys operate.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Heroic POW Calls McCain Undisciplined, Spoiled Brat

Air Force Lt. Colonel John Dramesi, a former POW in Vietnam who withstood a month with daily torture sessions that nearly killed him, and who never, unlike John McCain, said a disloyal word about America to his captors (he was awarded two Air Force Crosses), calls John McCain a phony:

"McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man,” Dramesi says today. “But he’s still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in.”

This guy is a true hero. No one faults a POW for saying anything under torture, but to withstand that torture and still maintain your honor is truly heroic. John McCain pales in comparison to this man.

And there's more...

http://nahnopenotquite.com/2008/10/09/heroic-pow-calls-mccain-undisciplined-spoiled-brat/

Posted by: nahnopenotquite | October 9, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

What if McCain announced his financial team, headed up by his pick for Secretary of Treasury, Mitt Romney? That team would then go out on the campaign trail with the specific details on getting the economy back on track. Could he "turn the page" then?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | October 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

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