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Obama Kicks Off His Vacation With a Round of Golf


President-elect Barack Obama acknowledges the traveling press corps as he arrives to play golf in Kailua, Hawaii on Dec. 21, 2008. Behind him is Eugene Kang, a member of Obama's staff. (Gerald Herbert/Associated Press)

By Philip Rucker
HONOLULU -- President-elect Barack Obama spent his first full day in Hawaii working out with his wife, Michelle, ordering local delicacies and playing 18 holes of golf on a rolling green set against the backdrop of a volcanic mountain range.

As he began a 13-day vacation in his home state, Obama and his family settled into the oceanfront estate in quiet Kailua, where they will join close friends from Chicago for the holidays. But while he spent most of Sunday outdoors, enjoying tropical temperatures in the 80s, aides described this as a working vacation for the man who will assume the presidency in less than one month.

On Sunday, Obama awoke early for a 7:15 a.m. workout at a gymnasium at a sleepy Marine Corps base on the island of Oahu. Michelle Obama, carrying an iPod and headphones, joined her husband for the 45-minute exercise session, according to a media pool report. As they emerged from the gym, Obama, in a gray shirt soaked with sweat, lifted his right hand to give a quick salute to a couple uniformed Marines standing nearby.

Then it was off to the green for the president-elect, who was joined at the picturesque Olomana Golf Links in Waimanalo by two friends and a political aide, Eugene Kang. The foursome played for five hours at the challenging public course, a par 72, set near the Ko'olau Mountain Range.

Obama, a left-handed golfer, sported black shades and wore a white polo shirt, brown cargo shorts, short white socks and golf shoes. About midway through the course, Obama stopped by the snack bar, where he purchased two hot dogs, two passion-orange sodas, one Powerade and one Coke. He also bought two Spam musubi, a sushi-like Hawaiian delicacy consisting of Spam and fried egg on a slab of rice, all held together with a dried seaweed wrap. (He paid a total of $17.75, but it was unclear whether the president-elect ate a Spam musubi.)

At the clubhouse, Obama unexpectedly bumped into a pool of reporters, who asked how his game was going. He smiled and conceded: "I'm not that good."

When he arrived at the driving range earlier, he spotted the reporters and cameras about 15 feet away on the other side of a fence and said: "Okay, guys, come on. How many shots do you need?"

The cameras may not get many more shots of the president-elect, who is expected to remain secluded in Kailua for much of the remainder of his vacation.

By Web Politics Editor  |  December 22, 2008; 11:50 AM ET
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And so,every damn time I see even a picture
of that yellow coward lying Obama Fraud,it
makes me want to go vomit as Obama acts like he is God Almighty or King of the USA
and is just another Chicago Thug in reality
is all.. I damn sure agree with others here
not only is Obama hiding something about his Birth Certificate that would disqualify
Obama from serving as President.

And President Elect and the Next Commander
in Chief of Our US Military has shown our
own wounded and the non-wounded troops his
total contempt and hatred for our own US
Military. This out of a yellow coward who
never served a day in the US Armed Forces
and now thinks he should be it's Commander
in Chief,but don't give a damn about them.
As BS Artist Barack Obama Stupid Endless
Fancy arse vacations and playing golf is
more important to Obama then a visit to
see our Wounded Troops in Tripler Army Hospital. What A Disgusting Disgrace You
Are Barack Hussein Obama and so is the
new Draft Dodger VP Joe Biden. Impeach them. I too fear for our troops with this
pompous pair of arses in command.

Posted by: Carleen19771 | December 23, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

test

Posted by: JakeD | December 23, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

So let me remind all of those dumb enough to try to excuse their phony worthless loser in chief Barack Hussein Obama for his
arrogance and disrepect for our wounded US
troops that all the flak and all the very
well deserved criticsm of Barack Obama for
him not going to visit our wounded GI's in
Germany,in Hawaii and Washington DC came down on Obama because of his own actions,
his arrogance and his contempt for our US
Military and wounded soldiers and Marines
hospitalized after they were wounded in
combat,which Obama and Biden would run like
Hell away from,just like George W Bush and
Draft Dodger Cheney. Obama playing golf
or shooting basketballs or running off to
the gym is inexcusable. I agree time to
Impeach Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Big
Mouth Biden the new VP Draft Dodger. As I
frankly donot want these two cowards Obama
and Biden in charge of our troops in any
war,including Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes I'm
from a Military Family Myself as well.

Posted by: SherryKay2004 | December 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Oh how nice that selfish elitist worthless
pathetic excuse of a President Elect and
Commander in Chief Barack Hussein Obama can
go arrogantly play golf,or shoot basketballs,and eat steaks,lobsters,and
caviar living high off the hog on one after
another unearned vacation,but cannot find
a few damn minutes to go visit our wounded
GI's at Tripler Army Hospital while Obama
enjoys his Luxury Tax Payer Paid For Stupid
Vacation. I too hope all of you remember
how Messiah Barack Hussein Obama also tried
to pull this very same crap when he was off
making his fancy teleprompter speech in
Germany and backed out of seeking more US
wounded soldiers and US Marines in a US Army Hospital in Germany! I Support The
Impeachment of Barack Hussein Obama and his
equally disgusting VP Draft Dodger Joe the
big mouth Biden in 2009. So count me in on
working very hard to see Obama and Biden
Impeached as well. Obama & Biden make me
Sick.

Posted by: claudinelong | December 23, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only person who is concerned about the potential for blackmail? That was my primary issue re: Clinton-Lewinsky.

Posted by: JakeD | December 23, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

It seems all big shot phony Barack Obama
places his golf and shooting loops and his
endless vacations ahead of the welfare of
our troops and our US military wounded who
Obama insults by not visiting them in the
Tripler Army Hospital and that Army Hospital in Germany and Walter Reed Army
Medical Center in Washington DC so yep
Michelle pass me more caviar. God Help our
poor US Troops with Barack Hussein Obama
for their new Commander in Chief.

Posted by: Darlene5280 | December 23, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

So,if even Coward in Chief Mr Flight Suit
George W Bush can go hand out Purple Hearts
to our own wounded troops at Walter Reed
Army Hospital,then why can the Next Commander In Chief Liar Elect Messiah Fraud
Barack Hussein Obama get his rotten phony
Vacationing butt on over to Tripler Army
Hospital in Hawaii and thank our wounded
troops hospitalized there now?

Oh I'm sorry I forgot The Big Coward in
Chief Barack Hussein Obama likes to show his disrespect for our wounded troops and
the Entire US Military since Obama was too
busy to go visit any of our Wounded Troops
at that US Army Hospital in Germany but
found time to go shoot loops instead. And
now in Hawaii Obama can find time to go play golf and eat caviar but doesn't have
time to visit our troops again. What A damn
yellow coward pathetic disgrace you are
Barack Hussein Obama,especially when even
George W Bush can go do so you jerk Obama.

Posted by: Amy2009 | December 23, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

JRM2:

Please add Maryann261 to the ever-growing list of people who think that The One not meeting all Constitutional Qualifications for U.S. President is a "real issue".

Posted by: JakeD | December 23, 2008 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Ralphinphnx---This Obama's new style of politics, which looks exactly like the old style of politics. Obama is a phony like all the rest. I like your last idea.

Jake D--Thanks for the welcome.

Posted by: Maryann261 | December 23, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

So, if Barack Hussein Obama (Bush 44) isn't
turning out to be the newest Bush Crime Family Member to pretend to be President what else can it be called when Obama/Bush
44 takes off on vacations to Hawaii like
George W Bush 43 did to the ranch in Texas
and the old man George H W Bush 41 bugged out to Kenneybunkport and Obama even plays
golf in the warm Hawaiian sun while his poor subjects shiver without heat or lights
or are forced out into the street and have
their jobs outsourced to India,or taken by
Illegal Aliens or H 1 B workers from India
no less...So you betcha "Pass the caviar to
me Michelle and let those folks on the
mainland eat cake!" Impeach Obama!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | December 23, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, AP jumped the gun on that too. Unless proven, I will not ascribe nefarious intent when laziness or other reasonable explanations seem more plausible. Why imagine some grand conspiracy when the truth is bad enough?

Posted by: JakeD | December 23, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

JakeD:

"Fact Check" is indeed intentionally lying and trying to mislead people.

On their page, they state that BHO's birth in Honolulu was confirmed by the state of HI, when it was not so confirmed.

I've contacted "Fact Check" with a request for a correction, and I've verified that their BrooksJackson received that request. Their page remains as it was before.

So, once again: "Fact Check" is deliberately lying and deliberately trying to mislead people.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | December 23, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

joer2:

The issue is not about past Presidents. No one is accusing The One of any crime. This is not a court of law, so the presumption of innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply. It is incumbent upon Obama to prove he is Constitutionally Qualified to become President.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

There is no proof that Obama was born anywhere.
There seems to be little PROOF about where many of our living ex-presidents were born.
In my country you never have to prove that you are innocent, but your accusers must prove you guilty. So once you can prove him guilty, do so. Until then STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

Posted by: joer2 | December 22, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

"Is it cold in here, or is it just me?"
(from the movie 'Demolition Man', with actor Sylvester Stallone ~ loved my many...)

Posted by: IndependentVoice2 | December 22, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

WE WANT RAMBO! WE WANT RAMBO! ~ Don't mess around with the Demolition Man!

Posted by: IndependentVoice2 | December 22, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

LonewackoDotCom:

I'm not going to assume that FactCheck.org is "lying" (it's even possible that The One Himself doesn't know he was born in what is now Kenya). No need to inflame matters worse than they already are.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah ~ I do agree. Show this famous 'birth certificate'! Otherwise, I could have voted for my governor (Terminator), but, unfortunately, he is representing the wrong party! We the People! (not the super-rich people, just us ordinary folks).

Posted by: IndependentVoice2 | December 22, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Maryann261:

Welcome to our few band of brothers (and sisters ; )

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote:
"I'm retired."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
congrats man ~ you made it! But, probably, many of us, will not...(it's good to die in time, though).

Posted by: IndependentVoice2 | December 22, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm retired.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama won't release the long form of his birth certificate because he has something to hide. If he actually had nothing to hide, he would release it to put an end to any suspicions about whether he is eligible to be president. The fact that he won't do so is good reason to remain suspect.

Posted by: Maryann261 | December 22, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

Your fervor is admirable. In the past 6 1/2 hours, you've posted 59 times.

Do you mind me asking if you're currently a lawyer still in practice? Because that's a lot of billable time you're not billing. (Or perhaps you are billing and your clients are going to figure that out...)

If you are retired, perhaps you should channel your fervor into something more positive - I bet Dr. Chu at DoE will be happy to tap into someone which such energy and focus to help him with his work on renewable energy sources...

Posted by: Chasmosaur1 | December 22, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I am Native American Indian so most of you should go back to your original country! You speak like you own my land.......and if America has no missile defense you'd better learn to speak another language also! My great grandparents swallowed the "Peace-Change" hook-line-sinker.

Posted by: doggit1 | December 22, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

It is not your land. The American Indian lost. Get over it. It is a done deal. We have been better at competition. That is why it is our land.

Posted by: Maryann261 | December 22, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I want Jesus Christ to release his 'birth certificate'! Otherwise, I will feel quite justified to avoid thinking about what he has to say.

Posted by: IndependentVoice2 | December 22, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I see that someone has posted about "fact check"'s "proof" below.

However, on their page (factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) they say:

"Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu."

However, *that's a lie*. She never said anything like that. She only said his cert was on file, she didn't verify anything about it.

And, when I asked them to confirm "fact check"'s claim, they refused.

See all the details here:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | December 22, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Regarding all these fairy tales about Mr. Obama.

Long ago, I learned not to *iss in the wind, because I could get wet.

I wonder what its like to wake up one day

and find yourself a member of a dying

political party, now confined to a few states

in the deep south.

Posted by: bobnsri | December 22, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

How much is this vacaction costing the U.S. taxpayer? I bet we are picking up the full tab for this.

Posted by: Maryann261 | December 22, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

IndependentVoice:

Why doesn't The One simply release it then?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
'SuperBama' can't solve our problems; neither can we. We are all in some sort of trouble! ~ but it's good to 'grow up' (about time, isn't it?).

Posted by: IndependentVoice2 | December 22, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

IndependentVoice:

I am not saying that he was never born. FYI: the “Secret of the Rosary Films” is offering a one million dollar reward for the certified long-form birth certificate of Barack Obama. Why doesn't The One simply release it and then he can move on to all those "real" and pressing problems you think he can magically solve?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Now that Mr. Obama has achieved an 83%

approval rating, it appears his opponents

have decided to concoct stories, even more

bizarre than the flights of fancy of

the "mystery shooter on the grassy knoll".

Maybe soon we will learn that Mr. McCain

"threw the election" to Mr. Obama, so a

communist agent could win.

This fits nicely with the theory that Mr.

McCain was a "trojan horse" for the

communist because he was "brainwashed in

Hanoi"

This would also explain his choice of

Sarah Palin, who openly admits she lives

"very closely to communist Russia"

Posted by: bobnsri | December 22, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

JakeD -

I was pointing to some rather intemperate comments left by others who IMHO have crossed the line and left reason behind.

But I am indeed glad to hear about your panties.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | December 22, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

The 'famous' Birth Certificate ~ was I ever born? ~ Attempts to distract from the real and pressing issues facing the nation; us.

Posted by: IndependentVoice2 | December 22, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

jenng:

Hawaii Statute §338-17.8 provided that The One could have been born outside of Hawaii and still have a Hawaiian birth certificate on file:

Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

He will have his hands full refusing to disclose his LONG FORM cirth certificate in all those lawsuits filed over every nomination, appointment, treaty, legislation, and executive order too.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote:
"I don't "worry" about that (or politics)"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
you are smart!

Posted by: IndependentVoice2 | December 22, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

May Mr. Obama and his family have a restful and enjoyable vacation.

Once sworn into Office, Mr. Obama won't have any time for play golf.

He has got to undo 8-years of GOP incompetence.

I pray to The Lord every night for Mr. Obama's success and to thank The Lord for choosing Mr. Obama to lead us at this time.

Posted by: bobnsri | December 22, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

IndependentVoice2:

I don't "worry" about that (or politics ; )

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

And, the entire DNC, State of Hawaii, or the U.S. Supreme Court need not be part of any conspiracy for Obama's mother to have simply registered his foreign birth back in Hawaii. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Matthew 6:31 ~ "Therefore take no thought, saying. What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
for sure these are 'religious' times coming upon mankind!

Posted by: IndependentVoice2 | December 22, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

jenng:

I am not arguing that The One is not an American -- so that's a red herring -- if he was born in what is now Kenya, however, there is a question as to whether he is a "natural born" citizen. Same thing would apply to Arnold being born in Austria (last I checked, the Governator is NOT a "non-white American" ; )

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

JohnQuimby:

I am only "threatening" to use self-defense or defense of others (completely legal here in California), and I am not getting my "panties" in a wad. See, again, Matthew 6:25-34.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Even accepting there is a vast conspiracy that includes the DNC, the State of Hawaii, and the Supreme court, JakeD doesn't have a leg to stand on.

"Natural born" is never specified in the US Constitution. While the 14th implies there are two kinds (citizen by birth and citizen by law), US immigration law specifies those who are born outside of the US to US citizens or US parent with Alien parent *are* legally citizens by birth.

"Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child." http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

Ergo, President-Elect Obama is going to be sworn in in less than a month and the Supreme Court already said suck off.

Also--the insistence of requiring non-white Americans to *prove* they are American is quintessentially racist.

Posted by: jenng | December 22, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

P.P.S. more than three of us (Bubbette1, dottyb, 24ahead.com and me) just on this one thread think this is a "real issue".

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I have the long form of my great,great aunts sugar cookie recipe.

I'm sure this proves something, I'm just not sure what.

It's not OK for you to harass or threaten people just because they don't see things your way. That's what attorneys are for.
As a union they despise amateurs.

JakeD the SCOTUS has already decided that it won't hear the Obama issue. You can wait until Jan. 9 for the next denial but please don't hold your breath.

And why are all you smart guys getting your panties in a wad?

Have a cookie.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | December 22, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Sweet ~ doesn't our President-Elect look like Tiger Woods? We need him to have a good rest to bail all of us citizens out coming Inauguration Year!

Posted by: IndependentVoice2 | December 22, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Remember how all those Hollywood celebrities "swore" if Bush won, they would leave the U.S.? That didn't happen, but I'd never say something like that either. Going back and reviewing the predictions that were swirling before Election Day, I note that AJ2008 thought McCain would lose Missouri (even I have to admit that was closer than I thought it would be) and Georgia. LOL!

Good times ...

P.S. to JRM2: I thought you said you were done posting to me? Seriously, I am not running for President of the United States. Is it that horrible to ask The One to prove he is a "natural born" citizen? I am not accusing him of knocking off every liquor store in Hawaii this week.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey JakeD, what about those crimes I say you committed in Las Vegas last weekend?, you've already admitted you were there so therefore you are guilty until you prove that you are innocent.

You must not have attended the debater's club during your tenure at Stanford.

Posted by: JRM2 | December 22, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Dawny_Chambers:

I never "swore that if Obama won [I] would stop posting" and my wife is not ashamed of me -- despite your claims to the contrary -- I have said that if Obama releases his LONG FORM birth certificate proving he was born in Hawaii, then I would stop asking whether he is a "natural born" citizen, but I won't stop posting on other topics. Until then, I will not stop asking inconvenient questions of The One, until the Good Lord takes me home.

Leathnm:

The LONG FORM would include information filled out by, including but not limited to the name of, the hospital and doctor. You probably have never seen your LONG FORM birth certificate.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Will someone please tell me what a long form birth certificate is supposed to contain? The one I received from my vital statistics office looks very similar to the one posted on the Obama website. The form contained parents names, child's name, date of birth and place of birth. That's it.

Posted by: Leathnm | December 22, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Jake, during the election you swore that if Obama won you would stop posting. It's clear that you are not only an old idiot, you are a liar. For someone whose name, address and other personal information are available to all, information stupidly posted by you in other forums, I'm surprised that you continue to offend and rile. You are simply a nearly-octogenarian retired lawyer in San Diego with nothing better to do with your life than troll message boards. I know your wife is ashamed of you. I don't care if one of your sons is an ADA out there, you need to shut your trap.

Posted by: Dawny_Chambers | December 22, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

There is such a thing as TOO MUCH INFORMATION. Spare us the details of each item he bought, and how much he paid.

Posted by: skeetchamp | December 22, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Since neither Gerald Herbert nor Philip Rucker seem to care about actually tracking down The One's LONG FORM birth certificate, the least they can do is announce to the world how many "vacation" days he takes, just like they did with Bush, right?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Back on topic: will the WaPo keep track of how many "vacation" days pResident Obama takes?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

patrick15:

Have a nice life.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

You all (JakeD vs. Everybody) deserve each other.

Posted by: patrick15 | December 22, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Nothing is wrong with me. Why is it "wrong" to demand that Obama prove he is a "natural born" citizen? If the tables were turned and Arnold Schwarzenegger had "won" instead, wouldn't you be upset about that?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"Jake D." -- What's wrong with you? See your doctor, please.

Posted by: dbroadus8 | December 22, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone? From my very first post:

Obama will NOT assume the presidency in less than one month unless he can prove he is a "natural born" citizen.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

And obviously his virtues were either not passed onto you, or you just took them and stopped on his good name.

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | December 22, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone ELSE want to debate the actual topic in a civil discussion?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Just like my father had to "answer" to that higher power for all of eternity for his divisive nature in fighting Adolf Hitler.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Of course not, because you epitomize what every other foreign country feels about America...you are just a self serving individual who would step on his own mother to get ahead in life.
You are pathetic and the furthest thing from a patriot I have ever seen. I hope that when the Lord "calls you home," you answer to that higher power for all of eternity for your divisive nature.

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | December 22, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

(Matthew 6:25-34)

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

rdy4all2000:

No.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Seriously pal, you have some ill will toward the situation of Obama being president. The issue has been beat down over and over again. It is not going to change.

As a registered independent, arent you the least bit worried about the direction this country has taken you? Arent you worried about the value of that house you live in? Arent you worried about your dwindling investments and retirement funds?

I sure am worried about mine. Do you not agree that the country needs to do something to pull itself up by its bootstraps once again?
The only sure thing that one can get out of an election is that 50% of the people are going to be upset at the results.
There is no quick fix and its attitudes like yours that takes this country down a hole and makes it eat way at itself.
Yeah, you care about the country and the constitution but at this point in time wouldnt your efforts be best served by helping bring people together and get everyone working toward a common good once again?
Thats the America I miss and the America I love. You only serve to make yourself look like less of a patriot than those who hate America.
so Jake, take your energy this holiday season and go volunteer at a homeless shelter, go through your closets and give away clothes to poor. Go to the toy store and buy a toy and give it to Toys for Tots.

Do something, anything than being a tempest in a tea pot

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | December 22, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

mlhkfh or TheBabeNemo:

You still around?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I am not the topic. Back on topic though ("the man who will assume the presidency in less than one month"): as I have stated on several threads, I will gladly agree IF The One was born in the United States, then he is a "natural born" citizen. I would be happy to stick to MY golf game instead. Why won't he allow his LONG FORM birth certificate to be released so we can verify that he is Constitutionally Qualified to become President of the United States?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Nah, im not gonna harass you. I was just pointing out that you have a nice pool
im not kidding..nice pool

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | December 22, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

LOL! :-D

Uhhh, JakeD;

Considering the PINO O'Bomba-Nation has already abdicated the Role to Billary;

does it really matter?

Other than as a precident to allow the Governator to run?

Then, again, Have you ever played golf on Oahu's Windward side-or, Hawaii at all?

As they say there: It's Ono!

Posted by: SAINT---The | December 22, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

You and mysammy are still welcome to send cash ; )

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Is that the extent of your "harassing"? LOL!

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Nice pool Jake

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | December 22, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

rdy4all:

Golf magazine.

mlhkfh:

What "papers" won't post my comments? Perhaps you are thinking of another "Jake"?

TheBabeNemo:

My best guess is that he was born in what is now known as Kenya. And, it wasn't just last week that I've been concerned about his LONG FORM birth certificate.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/05/obama_warns_against_mccain_sme.html

I've stated all along that Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Jr. (assuming that Sr. is even his real father) will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009. So, no, I am not clutching.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

What is your favorite magazine Jake?

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | December 22, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Jake Dort

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | December 22, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

funny thing...
i am 7th generation American. I am a Daughter of the Mayflower and I think, Daughter of the Revolution. My lineage goes back to George Mason.
However, my mother was in England when I was born, on vacation visitng relatives.

Am I not an American citizen?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 22, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

This further proves you are a complete buffoon. So what, you are on a police board? Big deal, that wont stop people from harassing you.

For someone, in this day and age to put their info out there on the www is stupid..

Mr. James D Mort

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | December 22, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Everyone JakeD has no life and just wants attention he is a use less and poor excuse for a human being so do us all a favor and stop responding to his post. He does this on a number of web sites. The other site and papers won't even post his coments any more that should tell you the Washington Post feels sorry him!!!! OBAMA in 2012!!!

Black GOP Card carring member and proud to have voted for the BLACK MAN.!!! and will vote for him again.

Posted by: mlhkfh | December 22, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

jake
he doesn't need to submit a long form...
why all of a sudden are you coming up with
"long form"
Just last week it was only "birth certificate".
Clutching?????

Are you now saying he was NOT born in the USA?????

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 22, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

rdy4all2000:

I'm ready for 3 am phone calls (unlike the USURPER). I am also on the local Police Board, so I doubt many will be calling.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

I don't need to see anything except for Obama's LONG FORM birth certificate (keep in mind I am not arguing that Obama is not a U.S. citizen -- the law at the time he was born allowed parents to register out of country births in Hawaii which is why the State Dept. has no problem with his American citizenship either -- if he was not born in the United States, however, he is not a "natural born" citizen ; )

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jake D

did you know that a simple reverse lookup at whitepages.com reveals your phone number?

(858) 274 - ****

Oh, say hi to Janet will ya!

5181 San Aquario Dr

San Diego, CA 92109-1511


So maybe you should get off this train before it turns on you.

Im not the type, but I am sure there are others out there that would like to give you 3am wake up calls

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | December 22, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Sutter-LOL! :-D

That Messico nonsense about Romney's Family...

We now call the Place-Utah!

Yeah, when the Mormons moved out of the US, Mexican Utah is where they went!

However, I believe his Dad was not that old!

Posted by: SAINT---The | December 22, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse


jake
accepted by the State of Hawaii as valid.
accepted by the State (any state) means accepted by the Feds.

I downloaded, to the Post, the USCODE Title 8 and Title 41 that explains Hawaiian citizenship about 2 weeks ago on this topic.

Would you like to see it again? I can find it.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 22, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

jalehw:

We have no basement here in San Diego, CA.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Sutter:

I graduated in the top of my class -- which included Constitutional Law -- at Stanford Law School. How about you?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Why do you people respond to JakeD?? He's been around here for months saying the same thing...just ignore him. He is probably sitting in the basement of some home in Sandpoint, ID...clicking away!

Posted by: jalehw | December 22, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

My cousin was born in Panama while her American father was there in the Army around 1944. She had to go through naturalization procedures to become an American citizen.

Posted by: dottieb | December 22, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Good grief. Will right-wing conspiracy nuts be trying to convince people for 8 years that Obama was not Constitutionally eligible to be President? That boat has sailed. I'm going to guess many of these folks got their info from talk radio and Internet blogs and have not studied Constitutional law themselves. Obama WILL assume the presidency, even if some folks submitting comments here don't accept his birth certificate and think the State of Hawaii and others have connived to put Obama in the White House (sort of a Hawaiian Manchurian candidate?). He does not need to submit any more proof. It's over. Nothing to see here. Move on to another conspiracy theory. I can remember back when Mitt Romney's father was questioned about his eligibility to run for Prez since he was born, as I recall, in Mexico.

Posted by: Sutter | December 22, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read all the posts but will have to add if it has not yet been added.

John McCain wasn't born in the United States. He was born in1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, Panama.

It wasn't until1953, Congress passed legislation to specify the status of Americans born in the Canal Zone--and to exclude non-Americans born there from citizenship.

So technically, John McCain has less constitutional rights, to be "pResident", than Obama born in Hawaii in1961 a U.S. STATE since1959,

Posted by: charlievargas | December 22, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Ahem, make that the Windward side of Oahu, Hawai'i to get exact...

Posted by: SAINT---The | December 22, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

LOL! :-D

What needs to happen, is a new Ammendment that allows more leniency with the Birth Status of the Exectutive. Reality check time!

Many Mexican and other Nationals are being given US Citizenship ONLY because they were dropped here, without any consideration to the environments they are being raised in(La-Raza/Pro-Invasora!).

Then, realize, a foreign born Immigrant is able to get into our Military, and rise up to most levels!

A Military Expert of Foreign Birth, or a Constitutional Law, Community Activist for the Commander in Chief?

Or worse yet-A "Trial" Lawyer(Clintons)! :-(

Pave the way for Ahnold the Governator!

Even if Mitt Romney and a Military guy would be better, Ahnold should be allowed as much as any Richardson, or O'Bomba!

Why should Legislators be allowed something the Executive can't?

JakeD-Ever play Golf on the Windward Side of Hawai'i?

Blows doors on Pacific Beach! I've played both! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | December 22, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

It's a lovely thing to see Obama taking some R&R, especially the part about him popping a salute to two Marines. I just hope his staff has schooled him on how to properly salute. It's not as easy as it may seem (he got the right hand right, that's a start).

Posted by: ehperkins1971 | December 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if it is still called the Pali Golf Course? That was an excellent Public Course! On the Kamehameha Hwy. near the Pali Interchange, it was just below the Pali Ridge, and against the Ko'olaus!
However, Barry would probably get sick playing there...
Across the Hwy., he have to see Sarah Palin's and Mine Campus of Hawai'i Pacific University! :-)

Any real Local Boy, would have ordered Kimchi!

Posted by: SAINT---The | December 22, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Also, I was in Vegas, and I can prove that rather easily ; )"
JakeD"

OK, prove it, and what about all the other crimes, especially the ones that happened in Vegas this last weekend?, you are guilty unless you can prove you did not commit those crimes!

and let me rephrase, only three people think it is a real issue.


Posted by: JRM2 | December 22, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Ah, THAT interview. Thru an interpreter. And I understand that when the question was restated, the grandmother was emphatic that he was born in Hawaii.

I hope you find your delusions comforting. Me, I prefer to dwell in a fantasy land where intelligence and hard work will cause a person to rise to the top; where Wall Street bigwigs are modest and prudent; and where politicians aren't corrupt. Just as unlikely but so much more uplifting, don't you think?

Posted by: kategoss | December 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:
When I said we will "drive you into the sea", I was speaking metaphorically. The results of the election speak for themselves: This nation is moving beyond the stupidity that has been displayed for the past eight years, and as represented by your "know-zero" Sarah "2012" Palin.
And the sea that I'm talking about is the Bering Sea.

Posted by: TOMHERE | December 22, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

JRM2:

It does not matter to me if only three people care about the Constitutional Requirements to become President. Also, I was in Vegas, and I can prove that rather easily ; )

kategoss:

I have no idea how she afforded it, but Obama's paternal grandmother has stated he was born in what is now Kenya.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

More from Fact Check:

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

From Fact Check:
The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department.

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, dumb question: Obama's mother was a teenage college student when she had him and her parents had very little money. How exactly are you proposing she went overseas to give birth? And why then hide it? Did she foresee that 47 years later, he would run for president? As you mention, Obama's sister was born in Indonesia, and no effort was made to disguise that. I understand that you don't like the guy, I just wonder what mental gymnastics you go thru to conclude such an elaborate cover-up happened so long ago.

Posted by: kategoss | December 22, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"That being said, I do not wish physical ill will toward rPresident-elect Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:39 PM |"


-------

JAKED FINALLY ADMITS THAT BRACK OBAMA IS OUR PRESIDENT!!!!!
(see above)

Posted by: JRM2 | December 22, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"JRM2:

I would stop posting about it TODAY if Obama's long-form birth certificate showed which Hawaiian hospital he was born at.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:38 PM |"
----
Have you noticed that maybe three people care about this issue? why don't you go ask him yourself if it means so much to you.

And while you are at it why don't you prove to me that you did not rob a liquor store in San Diego this weekend, or come to think of it, any crime that has been committed or will be anywhere for eternity.

Posted by: JRM2 | December 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Bubbette1:

FactCheck.org has NOT seen the long-form which they admit would have the hospital's name on it. That's my point. Here's what they say on that link thinman1 provided:

"We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."

Of course, that hardly lays to rest my question as to why Obama won't ask for the release of the LONG FORM to address the issue regardless.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Do we REALLY want a President that is not very good at golf?, or orders exotic food in exotic places? Shouldn't he hang up his golf game to show solidarity with the troops?

I mean...WHO IS THIS BARACK OBAMA? I DEMAND TO KNOW!!!!!!!!!! WHO IS HE? A GOLFER?, A POLITICIAN, A SPAM EATER?

Posted by: JRM2 | December 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I am Native American Indian so most of you should go back to your original country! You speak like you own my land.......and if America has no missile defense you'd better learn to speak another language also! My great grandparents swallowed the "Peace-Change" hook-line-sinker.

Posted by: doggit1 | December 22, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

For the record, my threat to use armed force to defend myself (and others) was explictly against anyone like TOMHERE who posted at 2:20 pm:

"You 'He ain't natural-born [citizen]' crowd better watch out. We'll drive your dumb a**es into the sea."

That being said, I do not wish physical ill will toward rPresident-elect Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

JRM2:

I would stop posting about it TODAY if Obama's long-form birth certificate showed which Hawaiian hospital he was born at.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

"Accepted" by whom? Only the people who voted for him, regardless of where he was born. The GOP doesn't have legal standing to challenge the election and McCain didn't want to bring up Rev. Wright either. So?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

JakeD is a guy who from day one, for whatever reason has had it in for Obama, he never has or will even give him a chance even in light of the monumental, possibly unprecedented failures of the conservatives led by the Republican party.

He is not dangerous, nor is he intending to make threats, he is just unhappy with the results of the last two national elections.

You're better off just ignoring him because you will never get anywhere with a person who thinks as he.

Posted by: JRM2 | December 22, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse


President Elect Obama does not have to produce anything, long form or not.
He has and it has been accepted.

I still don't see the big "thing" Jake.
We would never have had the election if he wasn't qualified.
The Democratic party could not have ratified it.
The Republican party did not say anything for the year of campaigning, and they should have been ALL OVER this issue if
you speak the truth.
Your desire is driving you too much.
Must live with the facts.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 22, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Try reading for a change. Fact Check specifically discusses the long-form birth certificate and explains why your point is bullsh-t.

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Obama won.

He's Constitutionally eligible to be President.

He will be your President too.

Get over it.

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Bubbette1:

As I am sure you know, the FactCheck.org site simply pertains to the short form birth certificate.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Assumes facts not in evidence. I have no further need for you, thinman1.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Bubbette1,
Please refer to the following link regarding your bogus claims about Obama's birth certificate, etc.

www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
The long-form includes no relevant information regarding your point, unless images of handprints and footprints will assuage your concerns. Yes, the form does include other hospital data and the place of birth of the parents, but that's not in question here as Obama's mother was a US citizen and gave birth to another US citizen.

2)The Arnold question is specious as specific provisions of the COnstitution would need to be amended for him to run and assume office. Obama is already Constitutionally eligible. When the necessary amendments are duly passed by the Congress and then ratified by 4/5 of the States, I'll be happy to answer your question.

3) No idea what you are referring to regarding a second thinman1. But don't let that stop you from changing the topic again.

But you can refer to President Obama anyway you want...pResident, President-select, etc. He's still going to be your President too whether you like it or not.

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Bubbette1:

To be fair, Obama has produced the short form birth certificate (although there are some questions as to it being a fraud). The rest of your post is right on as to the LONG FORM birth certificate.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The eligibility of a President to hold the office never goes away. If ineligible today, ineligible even if he takes the oath of Office. Obama has obstinantly refused to produce a $10.00 certified copy of his birth certificate. It is easily available read pages 7-11:
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%20Ka%20Aina%20Hoopulapula.pdf

This is just to show how easily the certified copy of a birth certificate is to obtain, although it is interesting the State of Hawaii does not accept the Certification of Live Birth, as produced by Obama, for this program.

The certified copy of the birth certificate will include verifiable facts to confirm Obama's statement that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. The certified birth certificate would include the name of the hospital, the name of the doctors and any witnesses. If the certified copy says something contrary, like Obama was born at home then it is likely he was born overseas and brought back for registration in Hawaii like his half sister.

If Obama were born overseas he is not a "natural born citizen" as the laws at the time required his mother, the US citizen, to have lived in the US for 5 years after her 14th birthday. Here is an article on that, and this also includes a discussion that laws that were changed after Obama's birth were NOT made retroactive:
http://www.volokh.com/posts/1227910730.shtml

Interestingly this issue has been going on since at least last February and was first raised in Hillary blogs prior to the primaries. Despite all of that time Obama has refused to answer this openly and transparently and we now have the prospect of a President elect that is ineligible for the office. It does not matter if he won the election, if he is ineligible he will removed from office and any acts while in office will be null. Obama appears willing to risk a national crisis over his personal ambitions. It is time for Obama to produce the records and answer this question and stop dodging.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | December 22, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

thinman1 (read the Constitution for the exception provided for our first seven Presidents which is no longer applicable to Obama -- I'm not here to do all of your legal research -- that will also be the last question from you that I answer until you answer my pending questions to you):

1) Why won't Obama simply release his LONG FORM birth certificate to resolve the question?

2) you would defend Arnold getting Selected too?

3) maybe that was some other "thinman1" who objected to that?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually, JakeD was kind enough to give us his address. I've already called the USSS and reported the resident of that property as having issued a specific threat against the President-elect.

I'm not kidding.

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

victory2008:

No, it's an explict threat to use armed force to defend against anyone like TOMHERE trying to drive me into the sea. Try reading both posts next time.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

You haven't asked me any questions. And since I don't know a single Democrat who referred to Bush as pResident, that point is similarly rejected.

But here's a question for you: What about George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson?

The first seven Presidents of the United States were all born in the British colonies, and based on what you've said, based on the Constitution which bears all of their signatures, they couldn't have been President.

See where I'm going with this?

Yes. Your point fails on the merits.

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: "Thanks God for the 2nd Amendment (or will pResident Obama try to ignore that part too?)."

Is this some sort of veiled threat to the President-elect's safety or your feeble attempt to be funny? I would hope the Secret Service takes note - you sound dangerously extreme.


Posted by: victory2008 | December 22, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

thinman1:

No, I have not renounced my U.S. citizenship, nor will I. None of the Democrats who referred to Bush as "pResident" had to remounce their citizenship. So that was obviously not the only choice.

I have now answered all of your questions to me. For the last time, can you answer my questions to you?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Your "incomplete hypothetical" objection is duly noted, for the record. Can you answer my questions now?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Does this mean that you've renounced your US citizenship?

I hate to tell you, but he will be your President and there is nothing that will change that. If you want to go on thinking he isn't and that helps you sleep at night, that's cool. But it also means you are living in an alternate universe. Your only choice is to renounce your citizenship and get the !@#$%^&* out of my country.

The point you raised about Arnold was that he said in an interview that he would like to be President. You didn't make a point so much as you just included a link and a rant. But the COnstitution would have to be amended for Arnold to be President, when YOUsoon to be President Obama is already constitutionally eligible.

Again, make a point and stick to it.

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

To the "thinman1" who posted at 2:22 pm:

I know that Obama "won". Here's the HYPOTHETICAL: if Schwarzenegger had "won" instead, then I would be making the same exact argument against him. I am registered Independent, so I hold BOTH parties to comply with the qualifications under the United States Constitution.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

Hawaiian law, at the time, permitted a child born outside the State from registering said birth in-State, which is what the LONG FORM birth certificate would show.

thinman1:

He is NOT my President and never will be. I also raised a Governator hypothetical (maybe that was some other "thinman1" who objected to that?).

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse


jake
but you're standing up for the Constitution out of context.

It cannot be "read between the lines" to satisfy a specific intent.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 22, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse


Hawaii has acknowledged Obama's birth certificate. Go raise hell with Hawaii.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 22, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
The only hypothetical you have raised is your naive belief that Obama is not eligible (and now overwhelmingly elected) to be the next President.

Please, for the love of God, make a clear point. As of this writing, I have no idea what it is you are complaining about today, though I think this will take care of anything you have to say:

Obama won. Get over it. And he's YOUR President too.

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

mysammy:

Please send all money (and last-minute Christmas gifts) to me at 5181 San Aquario Drive, San Diego, CA, 92109. Thanks.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, we've taken up a collection so you can get your meds adjusted. Let me know where to send the $. We are all hoping for a speedy recovery.

Posted by: mysammy | December 22, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

LonewackoDotCom:

They don't care about the Constitutional qualification (unless, as you can see, McCain had won ; )

democrat4ever:

The "reality" is that you do not have to be born in the United States to be a "natural born" citizen -- as thinman1 likes to point out, McCain is not the topic of this thread -- next canard?

thinman1:

You don't think an analogous hypothetical is relevant to the question -- every one of your arguments could have been made as to the Governator -- no skin off my nose.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
There you go again, changing the topic.

What is it? Obama's not a natural born citizen and cannot be Presidewnt? Gov. Arnold wants to be President? There's a pending lawsuit about Obama?

Please, pick one topic and stick to it.

The remaining lawsuits you cite have all been rejected by lower courts and appeals (or specifically the decision to hear these appeals) are what is pending.

Though as I pointed out, it's largely irrelevant at this point as Obama has been elected by the Electoral College and all that remains is essentially a formality as there is no way a Democratic COngress will not certify the results? Or are you going to switch topics and claim that half of COngress shouldn't be seated either?

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse


Oh My God...
Barack is a left handed golfer.

You know what that means.....no left handed golfer will be inaugurated on Jan. 20th....

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 22, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I hope Alan Keyes files a separate lawsuit for every nomination, appointment, treaty, legislation, and executive order the USURPER signs.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

This has got to he the oddest puffball article from the WaPo yet. Does Philip Rucker intend this to be a satire of the other WaPo puff pieces on Our Leader?

Regarding BHO's cert, we still have no definitive proof of where he was born. All the supposed "proof" offered so far is full of holes:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | December 22, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, do you realize your incorrect analysis would made McCain ineligible to be president? He wasn't born in the United States.

Leave constitutional analysis to the Big Kids, hon. Obama's clearly a U.S. citizen. The only people who don't want to believe that are those who don't want to believe the man actually won--and won handily.

Believe what you will. Call him what you will. Obama won, and so far, no one has come up with anything remotely legitimate to disqualify the man. He'll the person calling the shots for the next 4-8 years.

And you'll have to live with that reality.

Posted by: democrat4ever | December 22, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

I will not denounce the USA (which is why I am standing up FOR the Constitution). If the lawsuits do not prevail, he will indeed become a USURPER, not the legitimate President. Legally speaking, Biden would be ACTING President, but I doubt he will assert that.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

thinman1:

Dispute your disagreements with Bush, there was never any question that he was Constitutionally qualified for the Office of President -- OTOH there is a pending lawsuit as to Obama's qualification filed by someone with legal standing -- next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse


So Jake, why won't President Elect Barack Hussein Obama assume office on January 20th?

And will you denounce the USA as you denounce the President?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

TOMHERE:

I will stay here -- regardless of your personal attacks -- discussing the substantive issues until the Good Lord takes me home.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Actually my preferred terms for Bush were:
Commander-in-Thief, or
President-select

When hard pressed, I would point out that the only election he won was 5-4. But as an American who loves my country, I reluctantly recgonize him as my President.

It's a shame your patiotism and sense of country only goes so far.

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

thinman1:

It a simple hypothetical to prove I uphold the Constitution, regardless of which party is in power (unless you would defend Arnold getting Selected too?). Why won't Obama simply release his LONG FORM birth certificate to resolve the question?

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

pResident?

HOW CLEVER YOU ARE!
What a piercing barb that one is!
How will you ever keep up this level of wit and sarcasm for the next eight years?

Posted by: TOMHERE | December 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

TOMHERE:

Thanks God for the 2nd Amendment (or will pResident Obama try to ignore that part too?).

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

For all of those who read this blog, JakeD's behavior is pretty typical:

Now that he's getting smaked down on the whole natural born citizen question (because the facts simply don;t support his point of view) he has jumped to a new issue...the Governator.

What will it be next, Jakie-poo? Too many Californians in Obama's Cabinet? Too many aides who want to help real people and not multi-national conglomerates?

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. You "He ain't natural-born" crowd better watch out. We'll drive your dumb a**es into the sea.

Posted by: TOMHERE | December 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

For the record, if Schwarzenegger had "won" instead, I would be making the same exact argument. I am registered Independent, so I hold BOTH parties to comply with the United States Constitution.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

democrat4ever:

pResident Obama will NEVER be my President.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

thinman1:

As I recall, your side referred to Bush as "pResident" for quite awhile after January 20, 2001. You'll forgive me for doing the same to pResident Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, get off the crack pipe. Obama won. And he's going to be YOUR president.

Now, I understand that you may not like that. Frankly, I didn't like it when Dubya stole the election the first time around and got elected by the Idiot Club the second time around. But people finally seem to have awakened and collectively decided they want--of all things--a competent person running the country.

Imagine that.

Posted by: democrat4ever | December 22, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

In case you missed "60 Minutes", Gov. Schwarzenegger wants to be President of the United States too. Unless the Constitution is formally amended, he can't either.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/19/60minutes/main4677334.shtml

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
It's all over. The Electoral College voted and the vote will be certified when the next Congress reconvenes. All that remains is to be officially sworn in by the CJSCOTUS.

We've been over the "natural born" question a thousand times and no explanation will ever satisfy you.

As someone else said, Obama won. Get over it.

Posted by: thinman1 | December 22, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

mysammy:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Jr. (assuming that Sr. was even his real father), will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

dcraven925:

The Supreme Court (as well as Sacramento Superior Court) has not looked at the substantive merits -- why won't Obama simply release his LONG FORM birth certificate to resolve the question -- all the cases you are referring to were dismissed on procedural grounds such as lack of standing.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

JakeD...honey, sweetie, bubula, get over it. This issue is dead. Obama will become the 44th POTUS on Jan. 20th.

Posted by: mysammy | December 22, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote:

The man will NOT assume the presidency in less than one month unless he can prove he is a "natural born" citizen.

My Comment:
That issue has now been rejected by every court that has looked at it. It has been disproven by the facts. That boat has sailed. He has proven to the satisfaction of those that actually have a voice (as opposed to the few right wing loons that question all sorts of well established facts) in the process that he is a natural born citizen. Game, Set, Match, Appeal, Challenge in the Court of Sport, and the Court of Public Opinion. Its over. Deal with it.

Posted by: dcraven925 | December 22, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The man will NOT assume the presidency in less than one month unless he can prove he is a "natural born" citizen.

Posted by: JakeD | December 22, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Hmm.. Hawaii sounds and looks like my kinda place too. And it seems that the President-Elect has a very similar taste in food to mine.... I wonder what this signify.

Posted by: thisworld | December 22, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

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