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Incoming Obama administration director of speechwriting Jon Favreau (L) and a friend pose with a cardboard cutout of incoming Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at a party. (Obtained by The Washington Post)

Updated 9:22 p.m.
By Al Kamen
Question No. 58 in the transition team vetting document for the Obama White House asks that applicants: "Please provide the URL address of any websites that feature you in either a personal or professional capacity (e.g. Facebook, My Space, etc.)"

Question No. 63 asks that applicants "please provide any other information ... that could ... be a possible source of embarrassment to you, your family, or the President-Elect."

For a while there this afternoon, President-elect Barack Obama's immensely talented chief speechwriter, 27-year-old Jon Favreau, might have been pondering how to address that question.

That's when some interesting photos of a recent party he attended -- including one where he's dancing with a life-sized cardboard cut-out of secretary of state-designate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, and another where he's placed his hand on the cardboard former first lady's chest while a friend is offering her lips a beer -- popped up on Facebook for about two hours. The photos were quickly taken down -- along with every other photo Favreau had of himself on the popular social networking site, save for one profile headshot.

Asked about the photos, Favreau, who was recently appointed director of speechwriting for the White House, declined comment. A transition official said that Favreau had "reached out to Senator Clinton to offer an apology."

Favreau is not the first campaign aide whose online presence has proved awkward. Last March, John McCain aide Soren Dayton forwarded an anti-Obama YouTube video to his private Twitter feed linking Obama with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, leading to his suspension from the campaign. And in 2007, two bloggers hired by former North Carolina senator John Edwards stepped down after blog posts they had written before he hired them became a subject of controversy.

Favreau's case seems unlikely to be so dire; Clinton senior adviser Philippe Reines cast the photos as evidence of increased bonhomie between the formerly rival camps.

"Senator Clinton is pleased to learn of Jon's obvious interest in the State Department, and is currently reviewing his application," he said in an e-mail.

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I wonder what would have been said if Clinton aides were photographed groping a cutout of Michelle Obama.......

Posted by: jozey1270 | December 11, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

To all of you who find this photo "harmless," i ask you this. What if this was a photo of a Clinton staffer holding up a piece of watermelon to a life-sized cutout of Obama.

WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED "HARMLESS" AND WOULD THAT PERSON STILL HAVE A JOB TODAY???????

Think about it. For one second. Just picture it. .

Posted by: roche2008 | December 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Whoever sees this picture as sexism is naive. (Think of what women do at bachlorette partys.) We are all individuals, and have all done/do wild things.

I am a republican, but I am a republican in the 21st century. Look at yourself before you judge other people, and target them with such strong labels.

Posted by: chrisnre | December 10, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Sexism IS a serious problem. As a matter of fact, it is one of the most serious problems in "this world of ours."

Just this past October in Somalia, a 13-year old girl was stoned to death by 50 men for the crime of being a rape victim. It was reported that there were 1,000 spectators to this horrendous murder.

From Amnesty International's press release on the girl's death: "Amnesty International has campaigned to end the use of the punishment of stoning, calling it gruesome and horrific. This killing of Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow demonstrates the cruelty and the inherent discrimination against women of this punishment."

Wake up boys and realize that sexism is never funny. And the President Elect should never appear to endorse or condone it. The White House isn't a frat house. And it should not be allowed to become one.

Posted by: cin17 | December 10, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

How Petty the FEW can get! all the serious problems in this world of ours, Zambia and The Financial Crisis and a few decide to attack Jon Favreau a really talented guy!

Some will use any way to try and attack President Elect Barack Obama and getting at one of his senior staff in this way they feel they are causing damage, as I say how Petty.

Wake Up and smell the coffee and accept reality it could be 2016 before the Republicans get a real chance again to gain power, use this time to re-group and try and get in touch with real people once more a stupid attack like this damages your chances even more.

Carry on Jon Favreau, You are really talented and you have shown this since your days with John Kerry, okay it was just a fun photo and perhaps one you may regret, but how sad if this restricts you from Communicating and being a real person that we the Voters have liked, we don't want officials to have to hide away, the success of The Barack Obama Campaign was how Open and approachable everyone was Please don;t let the few ruin this!

Posted by: jaybs1 | December 10, 2008 3:15 AM | Report abuse

4progress:

So you read the comments of all the feminists on this thread, including feminists of color, and your response is to reach out to the man on the post who presents unrepentant sexist John McCain as a role model?

Huh? What kind of feminism is that?

Other than your photograph, you show no indication that your web site represents diverse women. You should be ashamed to exploit the words of a black woman, Sojourner Truth, on your main page. Tell the truth. Feminism needs to move forward, not backwards.


Posted by: PhDiva | December 10, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

drewfenton1:

You write "with due respect to John McCain." Wait a minute. John McCain calls his wife the c--- word and he does it in front of other people so she can be publicly humiliated. He insulted Hillary Clinton, Chelsea Clinton and Janet Reno when Chelsea was still a child. He made a date rape joke in public. Then he insulted all American women by assuming we would vote for somebody as problematic as Sarah Palin. He also dumped his first wife for Cindy McCain (younger, richer) and left her so destitute that Nancy and Ronald Reagen had to help her. Nancy Reagen still dislikes John McCain because of this.

Meanwhile. Obama has been married to one woman whom he clearly respects, has always spoken of the women in his family with the highest respect, and is by all accounts in ideal father to his daughters. Hillary Clinton insulted his intelligence, his integrity and his ability throughout the campaign, and he responds by appointing her to his cabinet.

John McCain does not deserve the respect of any woman.

Don't use this young man's sexism to justify the sexism of John McCain.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 10, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

To: Dr. Drew Fenton

Love your posts!

We can work together to end the continued brazen disrespect for women, and to promote the kind of culture where there is Zero Tolerance for the old boys club mentality, where men chuckle, jeer at, disrespect, and degrade women, including the woman who will be the next Secretary of State.

We'd love to have you, and all of the others who get it, join us and share your good thinking at: http://thenewagenda.net/

The blogs are at: http://thenewagenda.net/blog

Posted by: 4progress | December 9, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

We linked back to this in a post at the CA NOW blog about feminism and sexism from the Obama team so far: http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2008/12/obama-administration-feminist-or-sexist.html

Posted by: canow | December 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I've never said that this display of sexism is offensive solely because the cut-out is Hillary. IMO, all women are degraded by such behavior. However, I do believe that many, if not most, of the folks who support Favreau hold a double standard and would be outraged if the image had been of Michelle Obama and not Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: cin17 | December 9, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This is sick. It's beyond funny, something aweful. People say lot of things about India and Indians here, but well educated, successful , so-called enlightened people in India never can do this thing to women. These people set the new lowest standard. They don't deserve any job and they are not safe with women.

Posted by: ymouroy | December 9, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

gloit32....

You talk about people needing an IQ test yet you can't spell dying correctly, use proper capitalization or use the plural women instead of woman. Why insult people just because they are trying to defend women?

I don't even particularly like Hillary Clinton, but I find that picture absolutely sickening because #1 I believe all women and people in general deserve respect, and #2 she is person who will soon hold a very important position with this country, which should entitle her to even more respect.

It was stupid and childish, yet he made the choice to not only pose for the picture in that manner, but to also post it on the Internet.

There has to be someone equally qualified as a speech writer who possesses more maturity than this guy.

And again, if it were Obama's wife, I think there would be much more of an outcry with added accusations of racism.

Posted by: basyx | December 9, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Cin17,
so you don't mind that he is in a picture groping a woman you just don't like that its Clinton. Let me guess, you are one of the woman that voted for McCain because Obama did not pick Clinton for VP and McCain did pick a woman. yet more proof you should have to pass an IQ test in order to vote.

Posted by: gloit32 | December 9, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Your absolutely right Janet8. Because of that picture dictators, kings and presidents will no longer take the U.S. seriously. Then again they don't need the picture for that. All they have to do is read your post. How do you think we look to other countries when somebody like you throws a fit over something like this.

Posted by: gloit32 | December 9, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Come on people. Have we completely lost our sense of humor? We have soldiers dieing on a daily basis, our economy is in the toilet and getting worse and you choose to get upset about a guy posing with a cardboard cutout. You all need to take a deep breath and chill out. Every time I see reactions this stupid I am embarrassed that I share the same continent with you.

Posted by: gloit32 | December 9, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I just question whether Obama would ignore this, or laugh it off, if it were his wife in the picture? I found some of his actions during the campaign childish, but this is over the top. It is disgusting and he should do something about it.

Posted by: basyx | December 9, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse

I am horrified by the lack of action by President-Elect Barack Obama to the sexual improprieties of by his chief speechwriter, Jon Favreau.

"There comes a time when silence is betrayal,"

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Fire Jon Favreau!!

Dr. Drew Fenton

Posted by: dfenton1 | December 9, 2008 5:40 AM | Report abuse

BTW,

I never supported Bill Clinton and did NOT vote for him in his initial bid for the White House (I can't recall my vote in '96) because he was disingenuous about his marijuana smoking in Great Britain.)

Dr. D

Posted by: dfenton1 | December 9, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

To: bghgh

Don't be dissappointed!!!...Get Jon Favreau terminated!!! With due respects to John McCain. ...WE MAKE HISTORY!!!!

Go to www.change.gov and Insist on REAL CHANGE!!!

Dr. Drew

Posted by: dfenton1 | December 9, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Thanks to all of you for your support!!

YES, WE CAN!!

We can overcome sexism, in the name of my mother, Mom (not her real name, living in Florida, and my moral compass) and my sister, Sis (not her real name, in LA near me,) and all of humanity!!

Tell President-Elect Obama, NO to Sexism!!

Fire Jon Favreau!!!

Drew E. Fenton, MD, FAAEM

Posted by: dfenton1 | December 9, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Let's see how innocuous this would be if it were Michelle's cut-out being the subject.

Anthropologically, this would be considered "marking one's territory", and maybe just a few drinks away from actual spraying.

Posted by: KateSheahan | December 9, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't think a young man having fun at the expense of the Secretary of State deserves the job of Press Secretary. He is clearly not mature enough to handle the job in a reasonable manner. If Obama doesn't fire him, I will be disappointed in Obama.

Posted by: bghgh | December 8, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

As this thread approaches another predictable observation of Godwin's law, I can't help but be reminded of my college days, when the girls with more makeup than friends would get into drunken arguments and start pulling each others' hair.

Mmm. That was soo hot.

Posted by: jemenfiche | December 8, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

dfenton1: This is a brilliant strategy? The more people challenge Favreau's employment in various ways, the more Obama will be pressured to fire him. A legal and financial challenge will definitely be heard. They are hoping that this will go away, but it won't. We're all too offended by it to let it stand. Obama needs to realize that Favreau insulted all women, especially professional women, and disrespected Obama as an employer with his careless contempt for the principles of his candidacy.

I think the problem for Hillary Clinton is that she supported Bill keeping his job after he had groped ACTUAL women (not just Monica) so it would make her look like a hypocrite if she goes after Favreau for groping the cardboard cutout of her. If Hillary doesn't make this go away, it will reopen discussion of Bill's indiscretions, and that's not good for her. She may want Obama to drop this.

Either way; they are all going to have to address this more effectively.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 8, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I herewith publicly announce my written intent to sue President-Elect Barack Obama in small claims court in the amount of $4,600.00 (the amount I contributed to his Presidential campaign) if he does not terminate his newly-designated chief speechwriter, Jon Favreau, for groping a cardboard cutout of his administration's newly-designated secretary of State, Hillary Rodham Clinton. After 3 days of failed telephonic and Internet attempts to reach Obama, I am left with no other recourse than to take legal action for his failure to act (terminating Favreau) for human rights abuses, thus violating his campaign promise of “Change You Can Believe In.”

Obama’s failure to act is not “Change,” rather it is more of the same!

Drew E. Fenton, MD

Posted by: dfenton1 | December 8, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

misstickly: I have a great idea. Why not take your statement: "Cry Me A River, Blacks. Woman is the Nigg*r of the World" and send it in an e-mail to every black person you know? Also, send it to every black person you work with and to your boss (of whatever race) for good measure. Then see if these other black people appreciate your use of the N-word. Also, make sure to tell them that other black people were offended by your use of N-word, and that you refused to apologize and told those black people that they were crazy. Please do this. I can't wait for the response. I'm sure your black pals are going to love your for it.

Of course you were referring to race, just as Ono was. Her reference was problematic. Your quoting her didn't make it less problematic. In fact, your use of the term was more offensive because you combined the quote with a personal statement dismissing the suffering of all black people -male and female - which Ono did not. White people don't get to decide whether or not black people should be offended by the N-word, and its centuries-long history of racial hatred and violence, just as these boys don't get to decide whether women are offended by this photograph. We're offended whether the boys like it or not. I'm offended whether you like it or not. Your racism is scary. Maybe you need to read up on what the n-word means because you obviously don't understand the history.


Posted by: PhDiva | December 8, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Oops, sorry! I thought this was the site of an internationally respected newspaper rather than a private hate site. Don't worry, I'll cancel my membership.

Posted by: kimrees | December 8, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

At least they appear to be encouraging her to snort beer rather than coke, which is a major step forward for Washington insiders.

Posted by: kimrees | December 8, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Jon Favreau must resign or be fired. To have him write the speeches, be the voice of this administration, will tarnish President Obama.
Racism is unacceptable. Sexism is unacceptable. We would not tolerate this in a Republican, why should we tolerate it from a Democratic administration? It would be hypocritical.

Posted by: nancy2008 | December 8, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

At what point did it become normalized to believe that anyone w/in a a few degrees of public office needs to adhere to a lifestyle chaste beyond even the common expectations of priests these days? Firstly, we're not even speaking of an elected official, or even a cabinet position holder. Even if we were, I'd be more leery of a person who had a lifetime of avoiding social interactions and keeping a near paranoid attention to camera lenses that even America's Next Top Model couldn't attain.

In conclusion, BOOBIES! I resign.

Posted by: tedshouldresign | December 8, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva: I directed the word to 'women', not black people. It was obviously not personalized. If you felt it was personal, you are wrong, so you can start feeling better. I did not direct it at you, just women in general. It said more about the abusers than the abused. I have every right to feel that way. The law is on my side.

Betty: Stop distorting and just embrace your sisters. I am not apologizing for the word. Like I said, it is a quote. I said what I meant and meant what I said. I wasn't directing it at you, or any person in particular. Let it go, Woman. Let it go.

Also:
I won't even bother to find the name of the person that said I am trying to butt-kiss PhDiva. But to you: I just didn't want to leave the conversation that evening with her or ANY woman being hurt by what I said. I don't know her, it wasn't personal. What's the point of dividing women? None. I was trying to find some common ground with her.

There's common ground here, women. Take the path.

Posted by: misstickly | December 8, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"ATTENTION ALL OLD PEOPLE READING THIS:"

Old people, women.... they are trash to you, but not to all young people.

Posted by: misstickly | December 8, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

James: You are a man. Your take on this is not relevant. Period, Man.

Posted by: misstickly | December 8, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I was listening to some women talking this morning who were making a kind of hub caps to bank heist argument concerning Favreau’s groping. In their opinion it was a form of vicarious gang rape that could lead to bigger things later on, like real rape. They didn’t think Favreau should be fired but that he should get mental health counseling and monitoring. One woman added that it could also be interpreted as saying date rape is okay. I don’t know if I agree with all that but it was a foolish frat boy kind of thing. Women are harmed every day and anyone encouraging such behavior isn’t the brightest bulb in the box.

Posted by: katatak | December 8, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

So this is the best and brightest "chief" speechwriter Obama could find? Looks like a dopey frat boy to me. how about a MORON 1st class.
what change? This is the new baseball hat wear'in fools male establishment. This guy should be out the door with his testaciles in hand and having to pedal his resume elsewhere. maybe he can work for the fools that voted on the wall st. bailout or how about the car bailout.. I am sure there are a lot of moron bosses in that group. let them all FAIL it will sort it self out just like nature!

Posted by: watchmenow2750 | December 8, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

So this is the best and brightest "chief" speechwriter Obama could find? Looks like a dopey frat boy to me. Interesting that he finds a degrading pose of a woman to be a real hoot. Maybe they headed off to Hooters after this festive gathering.
This isn't change I can believe in. This is the same old entitled male establishment, this time with a patina of "liberal" slapped on, that we have always had.
Hope this guy is out the door and having to pedal his resume elsewhere. The rest of his life, this will pop up when a prospective employer Googles him.
Tee hee. Good luck with that, I wouldn't count on a lot of female bosses from this point on.

Posted by: OrlandoNan | December 8, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

ATTENTION ALL OLD PEOPLE READING THIS:

Your indignity is either mindless trolling or ridiculously ignorant. The guy (kid?) was at a party. He appears to be drunk. That is not a reason to fire him from his job he excels at. Look at your grandchildrens' own Facebooks and Myspaces for a change. Jeez. Save some money on Christmas presents this year because I'll guarantee they've done (if not documented) some pretty juvenile things themselves.

You ought to be impressed that he can balance a successful and important (read: not an investment banker) career while still having the heart to party like most people his age do.

Like it or not, every year that passes my generation's grip on power tightens. You might as well learn to accept that fact.

Posted by: denisondelivery | December 8, 2008 4:52 AM | Report abuse

PhDiva:
This is so crazy, i've read all of those books too, including the out of print "This Bridge Called My Back" which I paid the ungodly sum of $80 for on amazon.com! I will also go so far as to say Valerie Smith (& Daphne Brooks as well) are the reason I am studying where I am.... Bodies in Dissent was amazing!

I too was so pleased to have come across another grad student so committed to educating others on these issues, so thank you as well for trying so hard to share the truth! Heaven knows i get so tired of talking/walking alone so often in these ivory tower halls. I'm sure I will see you on the conference circuit at some point since the number of black female academics is so small! Good night and god bless!

Posted by: BookishBetty | December 8, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Betty:

Also, let’s not forget that if ANY person of color dares to mention white racism, we must be immediately dismissed as angry (and sometimes crazy and dangerous) rather than just, well, observant. So much for post-racial America. Now that Obama’s been elected some white people are so angry they think they can say ANYTHING to black people! But we have to show them that they can’t.

I'm off to sleep, but, Betty, I have to thank you for your kind and strong words here on this thread. I'm not used to having somebody on my side in these odd threads. Being a feminist of color can be a lonely road, and a brutal one. It was so nice to travel this little stretch of cyberland together with you instead of alone as I usually do. Be well, and check out the work of Valerie Smith, Audre Lorde, and the book “Women, Race & Class” by Angela Davis (an oldie but goodie.). Also check out the book "Colonize This!" an anthology of writings young feminist of color. Inspired, I’m sure, by “This Bridge Called My Back.”

Continue being fearless, outspoken, and honest. Be proud of your bookishness, your rich racial complexity, and of your simultaneous commitment to racial justice and feminism. (Yes, we CAN fight racism AND sexism at the same time!!!) Good luck to you, Betty, my friend!!!!

Posted by: PhDiva | December 8, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Amen PhDiva!!!:
"Apparently if white women recognize sexism, they are brilliantly aware of oppression, but if black women recognize sexism or racism, then we're just playing victim and should be silenced. Do you see the double standard?

I'm neither angry nor a victim. I simply said that racism is meaningful and relevant and that both racism and sexism impact women of color.

Apparently the idea that women of color are women and that racism is real is profoundly upsetting to these racist and sexist women.

If these women were real feminists, they would recognize how outrageously sexist they had been towards me AND you. But again, since they don't see black women as women or even as human beings, they can't see how racist AND sexist they are. They're just too stupid to get it. We know better, Betty."

Posted by: BookishBetty | December 8, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Bookish Betty: You are totally correct about the use of the N-word, particularly your recognition that it was personalized. Don't you find it interesting that none of the white posters had a problem with the use of the N-word or with the other racist references. Not one.

The racism on this post is really disturbing because the effect is to continue to protect and defend the sexism of the white men in the photograph.

They keep calling me an "angry black woman," but it's clear to me that the white people on this thread are the ones that are really angry - at black people!

Posted by: PhDiva | December 8, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

miss stickly, you do ACTUAL victims of abuse a disservice with your comments.

Posted by: jamesmelchingiv | December 8, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Jodim112:

Thanks for proving my point. Instead of questioning the behavior of the two pigs in the photograph, you'd rather trash black women and black people. I did respond to the question of how I would have interpreted the image if Michelle Obama had been in the picture, but you were too stupid to understand my response.

I've written repeatedly that the behavior or the young men in the photograph was sexist, offensive, and outrageous. Repeatedly. But you have to ignore that fact in order to dismiss me.

What is really coming out here is how much contempt you all have for black people, for black voters, and for the idea of a black president. You are much more angry at Obama for winning and at black people for having the right to vote than you are at these despicable young white men for gleefully degrading Hillary Clinton.

Your post proves me right. Again, why question the white male sexism in this photograph when you can trash black women. It's so much easier isn't it, you lazy idiot.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 8, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Missticky, or Misstaken, whatever the case says:
"You are clueless. "Woman is the nigg*r of the world." This is a Yoko Ono quote--I meant what I said. D'oh! I omitted the letter so that my post would go through moderation. Clueless, clueless, clueless. Go talk to Yoko if you don't like the quote. I, as a rape victim, happen to feel like Yoko's right. That's reality."

Um, whether yoko ono said it, eddie murphy said it, or a black sudanese rape victim living in a refugee camp in the congo said it, THE WORD DOES NOT BELONG HERE!

You, Misstaken, are clueless if you believe that its ok for you to throw that word in that context at someone making a valid point WHO ALREADY SAID SHE WAS BLACK. Let me repeat: You threw it up there AT someone who had already said she was Black... that's like me throwing some silly song title up there that says something awful about gays after a poster had said "I am gay" and claiming I have the right because its a song title REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I HURT SOMEONE OR NOT. Just plain rude.

You as a rape victim can claim all you want, but you cannot claim the right to inflamatory hate speech on a public board. You even say you left out one letter to get past censors - so you KNEW that it was an awful word and used it anyway. I would not use a word that required censoring because obviously the world is going to hurt someone.

ADDITIONALLY, You cannot CLAIM the word is from a song and use it, no more than I can, could or would use some awful and inflammatory word here to make my point!! Your position as a rape survior does not give you carte blanche to say what you want, just as my position as an multi-racial Asian/Black/Irish American doesn't give me the right to say awful things about Asians, Irish, or anyone else!

The only "REALITY" here is that you are insensitive. And you use a past you suffered hurt to justify hurting other people.

Posted by: BookishBetty | December 8, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Good Lord, people. I just came on and read all these statements...mostly all are from misstickly and PhDiva.

Bottom line is that PhDiva could care less that this innappropriate photo popped up with Hillary Clinton in it. Why? Because Hillary is a white woman. PhDiva was asked if she would feel differently if the photo was that of Michelle Obama. Gee....couldn't find her response. Well, I'll give you her response. Hell yes she would care. Cuz it's a black woman. The real racist here is Ms. PhDiva. She didn't vote for Obama because of his track record (he doesn't have one.) She didn't vote for Obama because he has cured what ails Illinois (he hasn't). She voted for him pure and simple because he is a black man. Now some of you will argue he is biracial......but PhDiva will argue that "one drop" rule. And Misstickly, quit trying to kiss up to this woman....sure sounds like it in your posts. She is the epitome of an angry, angry person....and nothing anyone says is going to change that.

Posted by: Jodim112 | December 8, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Bookish Betty:

I’m still baffled by the fact that a story about two white men behaving in an offensive manner towards a white woman turned into an excuse for people to attack African Americans in general and black women in particular. Meanwhile, these two bratty boys were barely scolded by the women who trashed me with such vehement racist misogyny.

Betty, thank you for trying to be logical and rational, but it really doesn't work with these racist morons. I recognized the Yoko Ono quote, and it was problematic then, as it is now. The fact that missticky is still trying to defend her use of the n-word and her repeated insults to African Americans shows how committed she is to her racism. She’s not letting it go. Like many racist white women, she thinks that experiencing sexism justifies her racism. Acknowledging the sexism that we as women of color experience undermines her pathetic racist logic, so she won't do it. She just attacks us and calls us crazy, stupid, and uses the n-word to try to silence us.

Motiontomusic's attacked me as the "angry black woman," which is a pathetic racist AND sexist stereotype. Notice, she wouldn’t dare call the two white men in the photograph nasty names. The white women here are claiming that the very offensive image in the photograph is the equivalent of rape and lynching, but she accuses ME of claiming victimization, which is just more unimaginative racist and sexist backlash. They are the ones who called me names and insulted me. They are the ones who are angry. I'm not angry, and I never called myself a victim.

Apparently if white women recognize sexism, they are brilliantly aware of oppression, but if black women recognize sexism or racism, then we're just playing victim and should be silenced. Do you see the double standard?

I'm neither angry nor a victim. I simply said that racism is meaningful and relevant and that both racism and sexism impact women of color.

Apparently the idea that women of color are women and that racism is real is profoundly upsetting to these racist and sexist women.

If these women were real feminists, they would recognize how outrageously sexist they had been towards me AND you. But again, since they don't see black women as women or even as human beings, they can't see how racist AND sexist they are. They're just too stupid to get it. We know better, Betty.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 7, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

James: His lame apology is not near enough for THIS actual WOMAN.

GFY.

"But after that, your apology is sufficient. "

Posted by: misstickly | December 7, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

James: Man, you should forgive him his anti-women, abusive behavior, man. Man, I think it's your call, man. Why not, man? Just forgive the man, Man. Men, like you, Man, they know when women have had enough...or haven't. It's your call, man. Tell her, us, tell WOMEN when we've had enough.

You think like a woman beater.


"Those calling for his head should remember we are on the same team. And sometimes members of that team act like idiots and should be forgiven rather than be tossed aside."

Posted by: misstickly | December 7, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Bookish Betty: You are clueless. "Woman is the nigg*r of the world." This is a Yoko Ono quote--I meant what I said. D'oh! I omitted the letter so that my post would go through moderation. Clueless, clueless, clueless. Go talk to Yoko if you don't like the quote. I, as a rape victim, happen to feel like Yoko's right. That's reality.

|I'm still waiting for you to apologize for throwing That Word up on this post - omitting one letter as if that somehow doesn't make the actual word known to us, as if the one missing letter somehow makes your MASSIVELY inappropriate posting of it "Ok" - in response to a very civil first post from PhDiva regarding the language being used before her post. |

Posted by: misstickly | December 7, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Unhand Ms. Clinton sir!

But after that, your apology is sufficient. Dumb, youthful indiscretions shouldn't torpedo a great career.

Those calling for his head should remember we are on the same team. And sometimes members of that team act like idiots and should be forgiven rather than be tossed aside.

Posted by: jamesmelchingiv | December 7, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

To all the fools trying to pass off the "cardboard cut-out" excuse. Stop the nonsense. People aren't as stupid and gullible as you think. If manhandling a piece of paper didn't provide any fantasy fulfillment then "mens" magazines wouldn't exist. Those two twits are acting out a fantasy of degradation. Men who think it's fun to degrade women should not set the verbal tone for the President. Especially one who claims to be a progressive agent of change. Favreau should be fired. And if it had been Michelle Obama in that photo, he would already be out the door… regardless of cardboard content.

Posted by: cin17 | December 7, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"Woman is (N-word) of the World" is a song by John Lennon. And IIRC it was written in the early 70s. He was making a statement about the place of women, all women regardless of skin color, throughout the world and throughout recorded history. Anyone who thinks that one woman is more put down than another is not viewing the world (the big one not the one in your navel) with an unbiased lens.

Posted by: cin17 | December 7, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Misstickly: "Cry me a river, blacks. Woman is the 'nigg*r' of THIS world."

I'm still waiting for you to apologize for throwing That Word up on this post - omitting one letter as if that somehow doesn't make the actual word known to us, as if the one missing letter somehow makes your MASSIVELY inappropriate posting of it "Ok" - in response to a very civil first post from PhDiva regarding the language being used before her post.

I felt so bad for PhDiva who was so angry at the use that she failed to point out that the two have been conflated for women of color in America since the country's founding. In other words, women of color have ALWAYS been viewed and treated as belonging to both of those terms. Your claiming of some originary moment for the NOW of the word, as if you've just discovered some oppression that seems similar to being Black in being a woman and think that is new, is plain sad.

Misstickly: "I can assure you that you do NOT speak for all black women. I don't know any as neurotic as you. *whew* "

First, let me say again that I do not agree with all of what PhDvia has written - much of which I believe was written in frustration and anger at explaining the seemingly simple over and over again, and not wholly her self. However, much of what she said was completely true, and in line with what most women of color who have critically engaged their place in the world. To that end...
Second, I hate to tell you this, but NONE of the Black women you know will EVER be even 1/8 as candid to your face as PhDiva is being in this pseudo-anonymous thread, although they may totally agree with PhDiva. I will also let you in on another secret: EVERY Black woman you know and are on these greatly friendly terms with is masking perhaps 4/5ths of what she truly thinks, of who she truly is from you. Any Black woman you meet who you think is great and wonderful and so easy to get along with and you just LOVE: she's only showing you a fraction of who she is. The Friendly fraction. The acceptable fraction. The fraction that has to swallow her truth every day as payment for the right to pass.

I'm engaging in no hyperbole here, no attempt to mock. So be careful before you cast aspersions onto PhDiva. Please don't go out to "all" your "cool Black friends" and share how crazy this PhDiva was, and what she said. If you do, know that your friends will not tell you what they truly think. They can't.

Posted by: BookishBetty | December 7, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Motionmusic:
President-Elect Obama with his message of hope and change, promised to lead us into a new post-racial world. Sadly, PhDiva, presumably a highly educated black woman, has chosen to carry the chip of victimization on her shoulder into the next generation.

Oh for heaven's sake! Obama promised and could not deliver on any such promise even if he wanted to!!! He's not capable of scrubbing hundreds of years of history from our minds - he could not erase racial hatred any more than he could erase our knowledge of the genocide of native american populations or how the country was founded on partial citizenship for so many or the notion of manifest destiny upon which we surged west. All he can do is provide one example, just one, of what is possible if you are a couple of lucky, highly, super educated Black folks with no real taints on the record of you or anyone in your family or anyone you or your family may know...

Accusing PhDiva of "carry the chip of victimization on her shoulder" is both rude (implying her arguments hold no merit) and racist (somehow to be fully aware and informed of the complex racial formation history of this country is to be at fault somehow). You have made other rude comments, some of which you apologized for, this makes me think you should hesitate before hitting the submit button and think about whether what you are saying is going to be taken as mean.

Posted by: BookishBetty | December 7, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

motionmusic you say:
"Make no mistake, my fellow women (and men) of color, there will be a backlash. Obama's election (rightly or wrongly) washes away white guilt. They will say, "Stand and deliver, black folks. No more excuses."
No doubt, PhDiva will interpret my remarks as racist, even though I speak the truth. We now live in a post-racial world. Sexism and homophobia are the only remaining prejudices to overcome."

Your comments are why poor PhDiva is so upset, because you say things like this!!! This is in no way a post-racial world. It WILL NEVER BE A POST RACIAL WORLD. It will always be tainted by race just as it will always be tainted by our christian origns, the myth of american individuality - "bootstrap" syndrome - and all the other claptrap we've been carrying since the first colonist set foot on this land!! Your "truth" is a necessary psychological part of the release of white guilt you talk about in your post.

Additionally, missticky wouldn't have said "woman is the new N****" if we lived in this mythical fictional post-racial world! The world N**** wouldn't have had any saliency, any power to cripple and shame, no meaning at all, if we were post-racial. Instead it launched PhDiva into the upper stratospheres of "Informed Panic" that is the home of so many educated folks of color, and lead her to try and explain at least a hundred years of racial theory in a few posts.

I do not say that i agree with all of what she said, but there is truth there:
-women of color are often not seen as women at all (see Barbara Christian's books)
-women of color deal with a multiplicity of oppressions (see Bell Hooks books)

AND remember that all of this talk of an "open arms" approach to joining women of all races together discounts the real history in America of white women throwing black women overboard in their efforts to make sure they got the vote. It discounts the continued disregard for the reproductive health of women of color - see abortion statistics and infant mortality rates - and it ignores the fact that when the pressure is on, race trumps gender (see Franz Fanon).

Posted by: BookishBetty | December 7, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Michael Surber12:40PMDec 7th 2008


I PRAY THAT THIS ONE WILL GIVE BACK THE DIC AND RATE OF PAY THAT THE WIDOWS SHOULD GET FOR 100% VETERANS AFTER THEY DIE. SINCE THE LAST ONE DROPPED THEIR PAY TO A BASE OF $1000.00 A MO. MY DAD WAS MAKING $8,000.00 A MO. AND WHEN MY DAD PASSED AWAY TWO YEARS AGO SHE AS A WIDOW ONLY DRAWS $1324.00 A MO. AND HER HOUSE PAYMENT IS MORE THAN THAT. PLUS THE VAMC AND ARMY DIDN'T PAY ANY OF HIS INSURANCE THROUGH THEM. THEY SCREWED MY MOTHER OVER BIG TIME AND I HOPE THIS GUY WILL FIX IT. IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE GUYS LIKE MY DAD THAT DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY WE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS FREEDOM!!!! NOW MY MOTHER IS ABOUT TO LOSE HER HOUSE AND ALL THAT SHE OWENS.
WHY SHOULD THE WIDOWS SUFFER FOR ALL THESE RICH APPOINTED JERKS THAT DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
MAKE IT RIGHT FOR GOD SAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: obewon2 | December 7, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

People who play down this sexist behavior: There is certainly precedent for the current sexist display that we see coming from the voice of Obama.

"As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z's "99 Problems" was blaring. In it, Jay raps, "I got 99 problems, but a b**** ain't one."

Do you think an underling would have played that song if the tone were not set by Obama??? Of course not.

There has been rampant misogyny emanating from Obama and the people who surround him. Wake up - you've been bamboozled.

Posted by: Nukular_Strategery | December 7, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

President-Elect Obama with his message of hope and change, promised to lead us into a new post-racial world. Sadly, PhDiva, presumably a highly educated black woman, has chosen to carry the chip of victimization on her shoulder into the next generation.

Make no mistake, my fellow women (and men) of color, there will be a backlash. Obama's election (rightly or wrongly) washes away white guilt. They will say, "Stand and deliver, black folks. No more excuses."

No doubt, PhDiva will interpret my remarks as racist, even though I speak the truth. We now live in a post-racial world. Sexism and homophobia are the only remaining prejudices to overcome.

Hey, Diva--what are your views on gay marriage? Just asking...

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 7, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

andyjburns:

Are you trying to sound like a racist jerk or does it just come naturally?

Posted by: PhDiva | December 7, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

These men, they distract us from our solidarity. Don't let them.

It's obvious to me that pictured above is the most action these 2 limpies will ever see.

Posted by: misstickly | December 7, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

motiontomusic: "I apologize for my last post. PhDiva and Misstickly, you are both my sisters. Let's try to find some common ground, shall we?"

Yes, let's get back to bashing these 2 cocktail weenies it the photo!

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I think so many people are truly frightened to finally realize, they have a very mistreated group in this country of women. It's all been fun and games and women have been good sports yada, yada, yada. But, it's quite serious that women are treated so violently here and across the globe. Yes, there are many of us and it's easy to become apathetic, but there are MANY of us. If there were solidarity, think of what we could do.

PhDiva: you need to join with your white, brown, black, cream, tan, whatever sisters. Anything less is just not productive. Anything less says that you tolerate certain forms of discrimination. That does not help the cause of fighting racism.

Don't nitpick the pain here, validate it--you obviously have the same rage in you.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I apologize for my last post. PhDiva and Misstickly, you are both my sisters. Let's try to find some common ground, shall we?

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 6, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

So, any black woman who acts in solidarity with any white woman on the issue of women's rights is simply the equivalent of an Uncle Tom? PhDiva, your attitude is beyond sad. You are the epitome of the Angry Black Woman (and in my position, I know whereof I speak).

May I ask, did you vote for Barack Obama? If so, you are a disgrace to everything he claims to represent.

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 6, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva: You know, I would bet, too, that you and I could connect on a positive level if it didn't have to be a battle. Let us coexist peacefully, please, like the human and the fish. *dubya style*

Surely we can both get behind our loathe of G.W.B and respect the pains that all people share EQUALLY?

And one more favor, please stop accusing us of being racist. You are MY sister.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva: No, you aren't. In fact, I am getting kind of bored with this irrational silliness.

"I'm not threatening anybody."

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva: You do not know the very professional black women I know and respect very much.

You are exposing yourself for a fool.

"Yes, the black women that you like are the ones who really do think that white women are superior to them and who are willing to agree with whatever you say."

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

misstickly: Yes, the black women that you like are the ones who really do think that white women are superior to them and who are willing to agree with whatever you say. I can see that this is what you are used to dealing with. I'm not one of those black women. Sorry to disappoint you.

Also, this whole notion of "having each other's back" is silly. I'm not threatening anybody. I'm just stating my opinion. Why is a black woman with an opinion that is different from yours such a threat?

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

"I've got your back, too."

Ah, solidarity, the only thing that will beat sexism.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva,

I apologize. I am admittedly a dreaded Caucasian male, and I got a little carried away with things. I probably shouldn't have used the phrase "community" to lump all African-Americans into one collective group that thinks and acts the same. I realize that African-American community is comprised of people from varying socio-economic backgrounds, faith traditions, and political idealogies. That is probably why around 95% of African-Americans voted for Obama. Because he understands how to meet the diverse needs of all African-Americans. I know racism had nothing to do with it. And I'm sorry that I have no idea what Black folks think, I have only read about them in textbooks and have never really had a conversation with a person of African-American ethnicity in real life.

Posted by: andyjburns | December 6, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva: Then answer motiontomusic's question.

'I have learned both the hard way.'

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the warning, Misstickly. I've got your back, too.

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 6, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva: I can assure you that you do NOT speak for all black women. I don't know any as neurotic as you. *whew*


"I sure do hope you folks don't have any black women friends. If you do, please hide your true feelings about black women from them."

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

misstickly:

As I've written repeatedly, I have experienced BOTH Sexism AND Racism. I have learned both the hard way. But again, since you don't think that a black woman's experience of sexism really counts, you ignored the fact that I had written that I HAVE experienced a great deal of sexism in my life. That's why I take BOTH racism and sexism so seriously. (Unlike you and your pal, who think that only sexism matters.) One more time BLACK WOMEN BLACK AND WE ARE WOMEN. Both. We experience racism AND sexism. Why can't you understand that?

I sure do hope you folks don't have any black women friends. If you do, please hide your true feelings about black women from them.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

In my last post, PhDiva, I asked you to put aside images of Hillary and Michelle. I asked you to look at the photograph objectively. Would you react equally if the image depicted a black or white woman? I am truly interested in your response.

I am not your enemy. You might be surprised if we were to meet face to face to discover that the color of my skin is not what you assume it to be.

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 6, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

motiontomusic: Realize, too, that this is a trap, if you say you are not racist, she will then tell you that you are trying to "earn points."

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Motiontomusic:"There's nothing I can do for you. Your racism runs too deep."

I am so sorry that this person has now put you in a position to respond (or not) to something like this.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

motiontomusic: You weren't asking me to "search my soul." You were accusing me of privileging one form of oppression over the other, which I object to.

Your question assumes that I will see Michelle Obama as Black and that I will see Hillary Clinton as a Woman!! Guess what, MICHELLE OBAMA IS BLACK AND A WOMAN. SHE'S BOTH!!! You only see her as black because you only see white women as women. That was my point. You still don't see black women as WOMEN. You still think that white women are the only real women. That is the racism inherent in your question, which is why I found it offensive.

You are the one who is privileging sexism over racism. I am the one who is saying that women of color experience BOTH equally, not one or the other. You would be able to grasp that concept if you were able to understand that WOMEN OF COLOR ARE WOMEN!!! But you can't. There's nothing I can do for you. Your racism runs too deep.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Motiontomusic: "Misstickly, I hope my comments did not offend you."

Not a bit, I am aware I have a problem with being 'inartful', I find that a very diplomatic term for my uh, problem.

Based on statistics, one day PhDiva will, unfortunately, learn the hard way it does not matter the color of the woman in the photo--being the victim to sexism just sucks.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

andyjburns: You really have no idea what you're talking about. You talk about "the African American community" as if black people are all the same and think the same thing. We are a complex and diverse community of different viewpoints. I don't know a single black person who thinks that racism is the "sole" source of their challenges, not one.

So really, who are you talking about? Aren't you just saying that you want black people to shut up about racism so you don't have to think about it anymore? Or do you only listen to us when we talk about race because we certainly talk about a lot of other things, but you apparently haven't been paying attention.

You clearly don't know what black people think about race or anything else so why don't you find out before you start insulting us.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Misstickly, I hope my comments did not offend you. Please know I am squarely in your camp.

I believe PhDiva is so blinded by her racism that she cannot see that folks like me are asking her to question her own long-held viewpoints. The fact that she lashed out at me by claiming I insulted her by asking the simple question-- would she be equally offended if the photo depicted Michelle Obama rather than Hillary Clinton--is very telling.

If we take both Hillary and Michelle out of the equation, the question becomes: Is PhDiva more or less offended if the woman depicted in the photograph is black or white? I'm simply asking asking her to search her soul. From what PhDiva has posted to date, despite her protestations to the contrary I am getting the impression that she deems racism a graver offense than sexism. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but so far, PhDiva's powers of logic and persuasion have been sorely lacking.

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 6, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

We will never live in the post-racial society MLK dreamed of when he spoke of people being judged not based on the color of their skin but the content of their character. People will never be able to completely shed their fear and distrust of those different than themselves. But with the multitude of anti-discrimination laws in place and affirmative action policies which have been enacted to acheive equal(if not advanced) opportunity for blacks, when will the African-American community look beyoned racism and oppression as the sole source of their struggles?

Posted by: andyjburns | December 6, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know that Mr. Obama had someone like "Ferris Bueller" working for him! I guess "diversity" is all encompassing in the new administration.

Posted by: D-0f-G | December 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva: AND they are stupid. I think I forgot that one.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva: The white men in this photo are insane, WHACK-O, sexist, disgusting PIGS.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"Turner1's telling me not to "cop an attitude"

Geez, even for green or purple, you have ATTITUDE GALORE. Truth--she do bite, don't she?

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

misstickly:

I'm still waiting for you to call the white men in this photograph insane and stupid, which is what you called me. You didn't have half the venom for those two men that you have for me. Reread your posts. I'm right, and you know it. The evidence is right here.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

PHDiva:

*rolls her eyes*

If a white woman wrote this drivel I would tell her to get over herself, too. Distortions, nothing but:

"I find it fascinating that the white women on this thread are ganging up on me (not on the white man who is the subject of the article) and are more angry at me as a black woman for questioning the privileging of white women over women of color"

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I find it fascinating that the white women on this thread are ganging up on me (not on the white man who is the subject of the article) and are more angry at me as a black woman for questioning the privileging of white women over women of color than they are at the two white men in the photograph who are clearly degrading a white woman.

So basically a black woman just questioning a white woman is more upsetting to the white women on this thread than is the image of two white men groping an accomplished American white female senator.

You have called me names, insulted my intelligence and education, called me crazy, insane, etc. all because I have questioned the idea that white women are more important than women of color. You haven't attacked the two white men in the photograph as viciously as you attacked me!!

Turner1's telling me not to "cop an attitude" is typical of the racist language that white people use when they are trying to silence people of color. Instead of listening to what we are saying, they accuse us of having "an attitude" because we won't submit to their authority.

I am an anti-violence feminist. I care about violence against all women, not just white women. I also think we can object to racism and sexism AT THE SAME TIME instead of choosing one over the other.

I think the white women who have been attacking me should ask themselves about their racism, ask themselves why they are more angry at a black woman for not thinking she is inferior to them than they are at these two white men who clearly are degrading Hillary Clinton.

So let's be real. All you are revealing is your hostility towards black women. You're hiding it behind you're so-called feminism, but real feminism involves respecting other women, including black women like me who don't think white women's lives are more valuable than mine.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

motiontomusic: "While Misstickly's comments regarding white folks' fear of living amongst blacks were somewhat inartful, they were hardly racist."

I didn't realize they were inartful, if they were offensive somehow, I apologize. You are square on 'putting words in my mouth', you got what I said anyway. Thanks..

PhDiva: I wrote, "FOR SOME REASON they are afraid to fully integrate with blacks and support their businesses." That reason although I did not state it, is likely racism. Not because blacks are criminals. You attached that meaning, I cannot say why. I believe you to be wrong, blacks are not 'all criminals." I am sorry you A) think they are or B) think that I or everyone else believes that.

I made an observation that too many neighborhoods are unbalanced in that there is not enough integration. I didn't say why, although like I said, I suspect it's racism. White people cannot support black owned businesses if they never go there or don't live near any. Just a fact, I didn't make that up. You accused me of thinking white women were superior, I told you I believe in LIVING integrated. I didn't tell you to earn points, so shove it. I told you because you have me all wrong. ALL WRONG and I have every right to state who I REALLY am.

Why did you come to an article about sexism just to berate people when we are hurting here? I suspect you, therefore, to be a sexist and you just want to further harass the people here. That's my 2¢. We are being candid with you and you distort it.

But seriously, what the h*ll is wrong with you?

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

After seeing a picture of Incoming Obama administration director of speechwriting Jon Favreau, fondling a cardboard cutout of Hillary. Bill Clinton said now he knows why I turned to Monica for love-in.
http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com

Posted by: patdolly7768 | December 6, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva, unless you have powers the rest of us don't have, you don't know what color anyone here is.

Some may be mixed-race, some may be Asian, some may be Native Americans.

Posted by: turner1 | December 6, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

misstickly:

You clearly don't even know what you're writing. I am the one who introduced the idea of addressing Racism AND Sexism simultaneously because of earlier posts comparing this image to images of lynching. (Yes, they are there.) I was the one who ALREADY wrote that they are both equal. YOU are the one who wrote "Black people cry me a river. Woman is the n***** of this world." That means YOU are the one who has clearly written that sexism is more important than racism. Don't put that off on me. Accept responsibility for your words.

I am not just comparing white women and black men the way others on this post are doing. I have been pointing out that there are also WOMEN OF COLOR who deal with both racism and sexism at the same time. We do not get to choose one or the other. You STILL cannot grasp that, that because you still think women of color are beneath you as indicated by your nasty insults. (Yes, I know you think black people are stupid, but I do, in fact, understand what integration is. I've lived it, and I've studied it. Have you?)

I did not make anything up by responding to your post about the criminalization of blacks. Maybe you don't understand the concept. YOU are the one who introduced the subject of white people being afraid to live near black people as if you should be given a prize for being pro-integration.

Take responsibility for what you wrote. It's all been posted right here. I'm not crazy, I just don't accept your racist positions.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, PhDiva, if you indeed hold a Phd, your education in logic is sorely lacking.

While Misstickly's comments regarding white folks' fear of living amongst blacks were somewhat inartful, they were hardly racist. While I don't wish to put words in her mouth, it seems to me that the point she was making is that some whites voted for Obama to assuage their white guilt when in fact they would never consider living in an integrated neighborhood. Misstickly, OTOH, is saying that she not only talks the talk, but walks the walk.

PhDiva, you seem to carry an enormous racial chip on your shoulder, and you may very well have a good reason for doing so. But if President-Elect Obama truly represents a transcendent post-racial era, then I sincerely wish that all women, of all races, can persuade him to be a voice for women throughout the world. He could begin by categorically repudiating the misogyny in his own house--Jon Favreau should be summarily dismissed. Case closed.

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 6, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

And, PhDiva, just knock it off with copping an attitude with me.

I never -- and you know it -- wrote or implied that the only violence against women I was concerned about was violence against white women.

You either have very poor reading skills or very poor comprehension skills.

Posted by: turner1 | December 6, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva:

"the white people on this thread can only focus on the suffering of white women and can only handle one issue at a time, Racism OR Sexism, not both."

You are the one that cannot handle both. You wont say racism and sexism are equal, you will only say that sexism is not superior. Is it equal or what? Just say it. I say they are equal, what say you?

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

motiontomusic:

Your question about Michelle Obama was stated merely to insult me and demean me as a black woman and it won't work. Just because I don't think that the suffering of white women is more important than the suffering of non-white people does not mean that I find it acceptable. I don't. Because I don't privilege white women over people of color, the white women on this thread accuse me of endorsing violence against women. That's simply not the case. I have repeatedly stated that the photograph of Hillary is sexist and offensive. Why do you imply that I'm sexist just because I don't think white women's suffering is superior to non-white people's suffering?

If you weren't trying to trash me as a black woman for recognizing BOTH racism AND sexism, you might have asked yourself if there might have been different racial implications in a similar photograph of Michelle Obama Perhaps we might assess the difference between a photograph of Michelle like this one and one of Michelle being lynched like the numerous images of Barack Obama being lynched.

But we can't discuss anything but Hillary Clinton's suffering because the white people on this thread can only focus on the suffering of white women and can only handle one issue at a time, Racism OR Sexism, not both. I don't have that luxury. I'm a black woman, I experience and address racism AND sexism every day.

I'm sorry that people on this thread are too narcissistic to grasp the concept of multiple oppressions or the idea that white women aren't the only women on the planet. I can't help you. Go read some books.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

You know what, PhDiva, whole families of Jews were murdered -- by the millions -- during World War II, so do NOT imagine that black people are the ONLY ones who have suffered from discrimination in this world.

One-third of college women will suffer sexual harassment, and 25% of women will be raped during their college years.

Tens of thousands of women, world-wide, are beaten, raped and murdered every year -- just because they are women.

What message does it convey to young men (and all men) that the most soon-to-be most powerful man in the world has hired -- and still retains on his staff -- a man who thinks portraying date rape is funny?

Does it ever occur to you to wonder if your minimizing of the seriousness of this may be due to your support for Obama?

Posted by: turner1 | December 6, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

""Talented" usually means crazy. "

Talented at distorting one's words til they are unrecognizable.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

No wonder Obama's speeches are all filled with meaningless platitudes and utopian drivel. This drunk loser groping a cardboard cut-out penned the high-minded idealistic nonsense that drove millions of Americans to the polls on Election Day to ensure "the One" would lead us to the Promised Land.

Posted by: andyjburns | December 6, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva:
"I'm even more offended by your suggestion that black people are criminals."

Where do I say, this? Just where?--point it out. Come on--don't pull your BS twisting of something I said. Where did I say ANYTHING like this. WHERE???? Seriously, maybe you don't know what the term 'integration' means. I cannot figure this one out.

Are you just crazy?

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

"Talented" usually means crazy.

Posted by: Rena_Silverman | December 6, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva:

"Wow, you're more racist than I thought. Yes, I read what you wrote, and I still find it racially offensive. Your giving lip service to violence against women of color while writing "Cry me a river, Blacks" didn't fool me. Guess, what, I'm still not fooled, and I'm even more offended by your suggestion that black people are criminals."

I stopped reading after this point. You are crazy.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

misstickly:

Wow, you're more racist than I thought. Yes, I read what you wrote, and I still find it racially offensive. Your giving lip service to violence against women of color while writing "Cry me a river, Blacks" didn't fool me. Guess, what, I'm still not fooled, and I'm even more offended by your suggestion that black people are criminals.

No, I am not just figuring this out. Maybe, you're just figuring out that feminism should include women of ALL races. If you had bothered to read any feminist history,which you clearly haven't, you would know that Black women have been critiquing and fighting sexism AND racism for centuries so we're not just figuring anything out.

Your statement about "people" being afraid to live around blacks implies that blacks are NOT people. Also, you seem to justify white racism, much of which comes from media representations. So, according to you, it's okay for the media to perpetuate the idea that black people are criminals, but sexist images of white women are wrong? Also, you seem to think that you're doing black people a favor by advocating integration. I don't think white people who support integration are doing me a favor; I think they are doing themselves a favor by choosing a richer and more complex social experience. But you wouldn't understand that. You don't like black people. Please, do us a favor and don't integrate. Stay away from us.

I think racism and sexism are BOTH wrong. You think black people are dangerous, that white women are more important than black women. Got it.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"The photograph represents more than groping. It depicts the sexual assault of one woman by two men."

Thanks for putting into words what I couldn't quite say.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva, you make a straw man argument in your latest post. Nowhere did Misstickly suggest that the only suffering that matters is the suffering of white women. You misrepresent her point in order to make yours -- a classic straw man.

The photograph represents more than groping. It depicts the sexual assault of one woman by two men. Might an assault by two men against one woman lead to murder? That outcome seems just as likely to me as the threat of death by placing a noose around a person's neck. Not every threat leads to death--but the fear of death by a black man with a noose around his neck and a woman of any race being sexually assaulted by two men seems about equal to me.

Tell the truth PhDiva, would you be more or less offended if the cardboard cutout in the photo were an image of Michelle Obama?

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 6, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva:

Two questions: I didn't notice any posts claiming the groping of a cutout was somehow the same as the lynching of a black man/woman.

Did I miss something? (no snark intended)

And, do you not agree enough is enough with the '-isms' Geez, I can barely stomach looking at that photo--a year ago, I wouldn't be nearly as sick about something like this. Enough already!

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

turner1:

I never wrote that ANY form of violence was acceptable so stop making things up. I certainly never wrote that child abuse is acceptable. I simply think that all forms of violence are wrong, not just violence against wealthy and powerful white women.

Try to grasp the idea that white women ARE NOT the only women on this planet and that they are NOT the only victims of violence, sexual or otherwise. I know it's hard, but try.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva:
Reread my post, don't cherry pick to support your cause. I wrote: "Women of all colors are beaten, raped, and killed only to have their bodies dumped by piggish men of all colors."

I believe it's long overdue that a woman or a black person see the White House. But I will not have you act as if your TAKE on things compares to my REALITY.

Perhaps "cry me a river" was a negative way of saying--"join the club" or "are you just figuring this out?". For that alone I apologize.

Maybe you have turned your eyes the other way while all this sexism has taken place over the last year or so, but it's all abuse. You know it is. Don't shame people for comparing the abuse of women to the abuse of blacks. Sexism is far more insidious. It's socially tolerated. Racism is not.

On the other hand, people aren't afraid to live in neighborhoods with women while for some reason they are afraid to fully integrate with blacks and support their businesses. They just want to vote 'black' and be done with it. Personally, I think integration is the only way to live and I live, fully integrated.

So you see the point is that sexism, racism, homophobia--they are all the SAME but different. You were the one who claimed only differences. Not me. Shame on you.

**When you say, "Cry me a River, Blacks" as if black women do not exist, you are demeaning the experience of women of color. **

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

misstickly:

Obviously, you think that the suffering of white women is the only suffering that matters. When you say, "Cry me a River, Blacks" as if black women do not exist, you are demeaning the experience of women of color.

White women are NOT the only women in this world. In fact, most women ARE NOT WHITE. Your suffering is NOT the only suffering that matters. You seem to think that because you have suffered as a white woman, that the experiences of people of color, including women of color, are irrelevant.

Why can't we agree that racism and sexism are BOTH WRONG. I'm a black woman, and I experience both.

However, we must make a distinction between groping and murder. The law does, and so must we. These young men were out of line, but they were not simultaing the murder of Hilllary Clinton. It just didn't happen.

As a feminist, I want people to take violence against women seriously. That's why we must be rational and racially just about analyzing it.

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

PhDiva:
It might surprise you to know that when I was 15, I was kidnapped, raped and almost murdered when the man tried to hang me from a tree with an extension cord. Sounds like a lynching, no?

Blacks, either gender, do not have the market cornered on violence.

I am a white woman and I can tell you right now that violence against women happens in record numbers. DO NOT compare the lynchings of BLACKS in this country's history to the atrocities that women suffer daily...NOW. Do NOT. Women of all colors are beaten, raped, and killed only to have their bodies dumped by piggish men of all colors.

Cry me a river, blacks. Woman is the 'nigg*r' of THIS world.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The degradation of women often leads to the murder of women. Women all over the world are daily being raped, beaten, mutilated and killed because they are women.

I think we have established in America that is-t is not okay to lynch a black man, but if you read through the posts here, you will note that many people still think it is "fun" and "funny" to sexually degrade women.

Are we supposed to be okay with women being the subjects of sexual innuendo and humiliation as long as that aren't being murdered?

No, there is no equivalence between groping a woman and lynching a man, but does that make everything short of a lynching okay?

Is child molestation okay since it's not as bad as lynching a man?

Get a grip.

Posted by: turner1 | December 6, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

The degradation of women often leads to the murder of women. Women all over the world are daily being raped, beaten, mutilated and killed because they are women.

I think we have established in America that is-t is not okay to lynch a black man, but if you read through the posts here, you will note that many people still think it is "fun" and "funny" to sexually degrade women.

Are we supposed to be okay with women being the subjects of sexual innuendo and humiliation as long as that aren't being murdered?

No, there is no equivalence between groping a woman and lynching a man, but does that make everything short of a lynching okay?

Is child molestation okay since it's not as bad as lynching a man?

Get a grip.

Posted by: turner1 | December 6, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I think it's offensive that people commenting think that an image of a white woman having her breast squeezed is the equivalent of an African American of either gender being murdered by lynching.

I am an African American woman and a feminist so I could be the object of either image. I guarantee you that if forced to choose, I would rather see myself being sexually harassed than murdered.

Do the white people making this comparison really think that black people are so worthless that the murder of a black person is the equivalent of a white woman being inappropriately groped? It is ironic that people making this claim argue that racism is no longer acceptable while being racist themselves.

I agree that this photograph is sexist, offensive, and disgusting. But sexual harassment is not the same as murder, and it certainly does not have the same history as lynching which often included sexual violence (to the men as well as the women) in addition to murder by lynching and burning.

Also, another reality check: Compare the number of people who are threatening to murder Barack Obama to the number who are threatening to grope Hillary Clinton. Who is in greater danger?

Posted by: PhDiva | December 6, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

come on!! equating this to a McCain aide who posted the truth about Obama and Rev. Sexist Wrong. You gotta be kidding. The comparable would be a Hillary speechwriter with a noose around Obama's neck in effegy.
this guy needs to go!

Femisex.com calls it and this op/ed must be read!
If Jon Faveau remains on Obama's staff after sexual denigration of Clinton, then yes, Obama's House is Truly Benighted

http://www.femisex.com/content/obamas-dark-house-if-jon-faveau-remains-obamas-staff-after-sexual-denigration-clinton-then-y

Read it!

Posted by: JOE24 | December 6, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Do you find this picture just as funy??
Take a look

http://www.flickr.com/photos/think_about_it/

Posted by: signyourownpaycheck | December 6, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

MadasHelinVA | December 6, 2008 3:52 PM

Obama has been using the finger in public to refer to Hillary and McCain in 2008. He called Palin a pig, in 2008. Obama has a staff who have this cutout of Hillary for how long we don't know. Its likely they got this before Hillary left the race not after.

Obama and his staff likely make finger gestures and jokes about Hillary, Palin, and McCain and others. For a presidential candidate to make the finger about 2 of his opponents in the same year is unheard of.

This isn't new. Obama's entire life he has been engaged in risky and antisocial behavior. This includes Rev Wright's church that other black ministers told him to avoid.

Obama's entire life history and the behavior of his campaign and Daily Kos show a deep seated dislike of white women and whites. Obama wouldn't put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance. He won't reveal his long form birth certificate. He won't answer about when he met Bill Ayers. It just goes on.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | December 6, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Right2:

You are so ignorant as to anything about LIFE. I am a PROUD atheist who supports Hillary AND is sickened by this behavior. For me, enough is ENOUGH. You smarmy sexist Obama-lovers OWE me big time before I ever forgive you.

You give atheists a bad name. The point of our independence from any faith in an identity represented by the letters 'g'-'o'-'d' is that we can make thoughtful and constructive choices without the threat of punishment or hell to drive us. We do what's right because we USE REASON. We have loed ones and so we don't want to hurt other's loved ones--that kind of thing. We create our own individual Moral Code from critical thinking. If you think this behavior is OK, then like I said, you are ignorant.

In fact, man-made law even recognizes that if I feel harassed it does not matter whether YOU think I should feel offeneded or not, it doesn't matter if you are not offended yourself either. That's the point of harrasment law. That didn't come from the buybull, that came from critical thinking by human beings.

Regardless, of how YOU or Jon feel about how offensive this behavior is, it is. Now think about your Mom and not yourself and you tell me whether you want someone deciding for her or whether she should take someone's sexist insult and just 'get over it.' It doesn't take a religious person to see it's wrong to harass. It takes and Atheist. I am not so sure you are one, at least not a smart one.

Posted by: misstickly | December 6, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama had to travel with teleprompters so he could give these speeches. He did not have a clue what he was talking about. Without them it was ughhh... ah.....From the looks of the picture these guys should fit right in with all the Clinton gang that is going back to the White House. The reason the Clinton Adm. was slow getting started, was because they could not get security clearances. If BO was not going to be Pres., he could not either. If someone was groping a Michelle cutout, there would be total outrage. And the people involved would be gone.

Posted by: hurleyboo | December 6, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

How ironic that the establishment Clinton supporters and conservative McCain Palin supporters are crying about sexism. Both camps have made their beds, figuratively and in one case literally, with the most sexist people in the United States. I recall that born-again/fundamentalist/evangelical Christian marriage requires Christian women to be subservient to their men--well this is what you get when you believe that a sky god commands women to be subservient to men.

Posted by: Right2 | December 6, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

OldAtlantic | December 6, 2008 11:18 AM

Aa a female HRCs age [plus about 3 or 4 more years], I find it difficult to get upset over this photo even while I understand that some posters here may think it is quite offensive. At the same time, aren't there far more important and pressing issues facing our country at this point in time that need to be dealt with rather than getting bent out of shape over some stupid juveniles having a laugh at a party? When they are my age, they will regret that they ever pulled such a stupid and reprehensible stunt. But with age comes maturity, and at their ages, they probably don't yet understand how gross their behavior is to more mature persons and especially to women in general. But I think that Obama should NOT have to sanction the young man by firing him, but rather by talking to him to have him understand the error of his ways and how anything untoward has an adverse impact on him, our president-elect. Maybe the talk with Jon will embarrass him more than being fired out-right due to the ignorance he showed in this photo. Or are the women posting here the type who would punish their children with 'slaps to hands or bottoms' rather than trying to talk to them so they can understand what they did wrong? Some people, especially males, do not mature as quickly as females, so please allow some room for wrongdoing.

As a female, I am not against women, but would rather deal with this incident more maturely than some of the other women posting. There is always room for other thought!

Posted by: MadasHelinVA | December 6, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If I were Hillary my Attorney would be serving notice to the BOYS!
Defamation? Harassment?? Sorry do not submit any application for ANY job any where losers!
Most if not all employers will find and see your acts on line when you look for any wortwhile position!

Posted by: tycoon | December 6, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Fire him. Yesterday. There are many able speechwriters who are not also sexist morons who can't immediately understand that this is degrading. This was recent, and Clinton is going to be Secretary of State. Enough frat boy boobs in the White House. If Obama were serious about showing women voters and former Clinton supporters that he and his campaign staff take women's concerns seriously, he would have fired him already.

Posted by: LK2008 | December 6, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with the people who think there is nothing Wong with this???
Why are men and boys so obtuse? Who is teaching these boys the proper behaviour when out in the public domain.
God help us if this is the the sewer we have to wallow in, change must mean worse than you can imagine!!

Posted by: tycoon | December 6, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

To all the apparent prigs who scrawled hissyfit bloviations about this kid "going too far" I got a question for you. WHO CARES. I mean REALLY. He's obviously talented. He's in his 20's and a speechwriter. He parties it up with his friends, there's a cardboard cutout of Hillary Clinton there. The party wasn't even big-- it was at someone's house. This is NOT a big deal and DEFINITELY NOT something to waste neurons thinking about. Grow up, America.
Posted by: smokeandmirrors
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Let's just replace the cardboard cutout of Hillary to one of Michelle Obama or Caroline Kennedy. Would that be funny then? I don't think you would be amused then.

Posted by: tlintx | December 6, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Just one of many sexist acts and comments by another Democrat this year. As a female, I left the Democratic party this year due to all the sexism perpetrated by Democratic MSM and Obama supporters.They showed their true feelings about women this year.
Democrats only give lip service to females, they don't respect females.

Posted by: tlintx | December 6, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"Senator Clinton is pleased to learn of Jon's obvious interest in the
State Department, and is currently reviewing his application," he said
in an e-mail.

That's really perfect. It's funny, calls the kid an idiot, invokes reality. It could be seen as a call for firing him: If he wouldn't belong in the State Department then he doesn't belong in the White House either.

Posted by: 1950democrat | December 6, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Favreau should be fired immediately, as should any Obama staffer who participated. Rather than "change we can believe in," this exhibits more of the same degradation women have confronted for decades in this country in the struggle for equal rights. As a former Clinton support who contributed many hard-earned dollars and made many calls for Obama, I expect the President-elect to deal with this as quickly and decisively as he would racism or anti-semitism demonstrated by a staffer.

Posted by: Shelbyc-72 | December 6, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Please calm down. Remember: this is Washington, where everyone is a crass, self-seeking glutton for power/money/sex/notoriety. This particular act is quite minor in this mileu.

Posted by: CriticalThinker2 | December 6, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

There we go again, minimizing this stupid act. Well, true in the scheme of things this is nothing. However, if we don't start addressing crap like this at this level, I can guarantee this guy would go on to more egregious things. We must stop thinking of this behavior as just 'fun". I don't care if it is at a party or at work. Remember when the white employee at some government department halloween party came dressed in a black face and eating watermelon. I wonder how many of you who thinks this is meaningless got angry about that? Sorry, it matters and this guy should be fired. Ohterwise, it will not be taken seriously

Posted by: sandnsmith | December 6, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

What's the problem? This guy is really paying homage to Bill Clinton. Hillary and her sycophants should be pleased.

Posted by: CriticalThinker2 | December 6, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"The question not being asked here is why did these party goers have a cardboard cutout of Senator Clinton in the first place? Certainly not to honor her, but to disrespect her.

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 6, 2008 11:28 AM"

Brilliant insight. This was premeditated and they didn't do it while drunk. Nor was this one time. Nor has it likely stopped. Obama frat house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnEhmbKazdw

Obama is a fingerman in public. He sets the tone in public. Hating McCain, Palin, Hillary and you and me.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | December 6, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Every person here who thinks this is funny should become the "toy-boy" of some sex-starved men in a place filled with large, hairy sexual predators -- and then see if you think this is so f_____ funny.

Almost every woman in the world has been humiliated and/or physically hurt by boys and "men" who think women "really want it" or are "really asking for it" or "really deserve it."

Daily and all around the world, women are raped, beaten, mutilated and killed by men. It is NOT funny and it is NOT irrelevant -- as some of the more emotionally stunted here seem to think it is -- that this photo was taken and put up on Facebook in order to humiliate Hillary Clinton.

The people here who consider it humorous to write in disgusting ways about Sen. Clinton have serious sexual/emotional problems and should seek immediate help.

Posted by: turner1 | December 6, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Private nonsense made public. Like presidents getting oral sex from interns, ex-general presidents having long term affairs with their "aides" and presidents' wives being closet drunks. None of our business.
With friends like the one at the party who released the photo, who needs enemies.

This is a stupid subject. The vagina monologue gang have certainly a point to be annoyed with the perpetual boyism of American males, but the overreaction kind of makes one want to overreact to theirs.

This is a very able young man. He did not talk to god who told him to send people to blow up Iraqi citizens. He did not try to subvert the constitution. He did not lie about sending planes to bomb the bejesus out of Cambodia and then collect a peace prize. He did not load the trains in Germany.

Get real about the importance of things.


Posted by: rpmcestmoicoxnet | December 6, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

People who keep saying, "It's just a cardboard cutout! Relax! Get a life!"

Would some drunken idiot "grope" any old piece of cardboard? No. This piece of cardboard was chosen because it represents a woman -- a strong, brilliant, powerful woman who ran for President and is a sitting Senator and the next Secretary of State of the U.S. This piece of cardboard was deliberately chosen so these smug, arrogant boors could show their utter disdain, not to mention misogyny, toward not only Hillary Clinton but toward all women.

Those of you who say: "Hillary probably loves this because it's the most she's gotten in years," etc., are confusing a representation of SEXUAL ASSAULT with a woman who desires to participate in a sexual encounter. The two are not the same.

Those of you who think that speaking up against misogyny and sexism is just "PC" ignore the fact that all day, every single day, every woman in the world is subject to this kind of behavior -- and worse -- from men. Sarah Palin was treated just as egregiously, if not worse at times. Not to mention women who are killed simply for existing, here and abroad. Get your heads out of the sand and pay attention to what happens to women. Every day. All day. To women you know and love. Even to yourself.

Posted by: tinfoilhattie | December 6, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The only mistake I see with Favreau's judgement is that his right hand is a bit too high, which is a nice compliment to the pantsuited wonder - aren't Hill's boobs much lower, like more around her six pack? She IS in her 60's and is not the epitome of athletic prowess.

Posted by: magnolia5 | December 6, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Let's take the fact that the cardboard cutout is an image of Hillary out of the equation for a moment. This photograph depicts two young men sexually assaulting a woman--grabbing her by the hair, forcing a beer bottle into her mouth, and groping her breast--still think it's funny?

It's no wonder violence against women remains acceptable in the 21st century.

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 6, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I wish we could clear up one thing here. I am a liberal but I did not support Obama nor do I have any confidence in him.

I don't think Obama is a liberal at all; I think Obama is out for Obama and doesn't give a fig about anyone else.

I think Obama is a deceitful and dishonest person who took gobs of money from the corporate interests and will govern in a way that pleases the corporations instead of helping people who need help. That is not liberal, that is just Obama functioning in his own self-interest. Right now, Obama is already looking to shore up support (monetary and electoral) for his re-election in 2012. Everything Obama does from this day forward will be to help Obama get re-elected.

I'll say it again: I am a liberal and I do not believe Obama is.

That said, I'll add this: It matters who a president surrounds himself with and takes advice from. The people who have the president's "ear" have tremendous power. They can funnel to him the information they want him to have and spin the information that would contradict their personal point of view. A top speechwriter wields enormous influence on a president's staff, so it matters greatly the sort of JUDGMENT this person has and demonstrates. So far, Jon Favreau has demonstrated that he has the mentality and judgment of a ten-year old. I cannot imagine that even a college-age person would think this behavior funny -- it is so immature.

I find it hard to fathom that Obama has not already sacked this jerk.

.


Posted by: turner1 | December 6, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

This cardboard cut out is a great idea.

Instead of unaccomplished and inexperienced politicians elected on the basis of celebrity or heredity, can we just put a cardboard cut out of them in office and have real people who do actual work, in place to handle things?

The worthless celebrities/legacy cardboard cut outs can handle the photo ops, actual work will get done and clowns like Clinton and Obama can stay home and collect kickbacks and graft from there, without damaging our country further.

Posted by: NoDonkey | December 6, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The question not being asked here is why did these party goers have a cardboard cutout of Senator Clinton in the first place? Certainly not to honor her, but to disrespect her.

This year's election cycle has proven beyond any doubt that overt displays of sexism and misogyny remain acceptable in our society while such displays of racism are no longer tolerated. If the cardboard cutout were of any black politician, even a discredited one such as William Jefferson of Louisiana, with a noose around his neck, the outrage would be deafening and the punishment swift.

Posted by: motiontomusic | December 6, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama gives Hillary the finger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DygBj4Zw6No

Obama calls Palin a pig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ8edsbGc3o

Obama's campaign knew in advance that Palin was a possible pick. They were the ones behind the Daily Kos attacks on Palin. Why not compare Jon's writing style with that on the Daily Kos attacks on Palin?

Obama and Jon probably have some finger sessions together and so Obama doesn't want to throw Jon under the bus.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | December 6, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Shows me, he is the perfect guy for the job! Rock on, Jon Favreau!

Posted by: GTFOOH | December 6, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The Clinton response was perfect. The whole thing is smile worthy.

Posted by: Lilly1 | December 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

This is NOT funny.

It is disgusting, and Obama should be ashamed of himself that he hasn't already fired this punk.

How would Jon Favreau's excusers here feel if this were a cardboard figure of Obama hanging with a noose around his neck?

Would the Obama cultists tell us, as they do here, that it's only a cardboard image?

Would the Obama cult think that was so f_____ funny?

This jacka__ may or may not have been drunk when he posed for this photo, but I doubt he was drunk when he put the photo up on Facebook.

He WANTED the world to see a photo of him insulting Sen. Clinton.

The people here who think this is funny are as immature as this Favreau idiot. It's the same mindset that leads people to think that women want to be raped.

I think it's a possibility that the only sex Jon Favreau and his excusers here can have is with cardboard figures.


Posted by: turner1 | December 6, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

What? The messiah has a speech writer? I distinctly remember, while Sarah Palin was being pilloried about speech writers, hearing that the anointed one, the salvation of planetary mankind, spent laborious hours writing this own speeches. This was part of his genius, as I recall, so this story is a big surprise and I am astonished!

As far as Hillary is concerned, I would not worry. This is probably only the second time in her life that she has been groped, by a man, that is. She probably won't care and might be flattered.

Posted by: KATZ66 | December 6, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: xtme2005 | December 6, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

This makes me feel better about the picture of Obama's face I cut out and put in the middle of my dart board. Immature I know, but my game is much improved.

Posted by: kaymad | December 6, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

wow what a niggar this guy is!!! I hate all obama scum bag supporters!!!!!!!

http://www.fvckobama.com!!

Posted by: xtme2005 | December 6, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Everyone in that room is on his staff - young inexperienced kids who still behave like 16 year olds...what an idiot. These are actually people who will have a hand in running our government - God help us. Libs come on, I know you intelligient ones (the few that there are) have to be scratching your heads and asking yourselves what were we thinking. These are just kids, young, immature, no conscience, no real life experience and their part of his administration...WOW...Obama is one arrogant scary guy. Good luck with this one America - I am proud to say he didn't get my vote.
This is an important issue to those libs that try to pass it off as nothing (like always) you are talking about people who have a huge direct impact on this country - get over yourselves and take this seriosly. You libs are a scary, scary bunch. Unbelievable. Take Obama off the pedestal you have him on and tell me what in the world he has accomplished, done or for that matter of fact "Who in the heck he is"? Let's stop drooling over him - you got him elected (knowing nothing) so now let's investigate this guy. I'd really like to know who the guy is that is suppose to be my next president. I don't even know where he is from???

Posted by: Crupi313 | December 6, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

What is the sexual orientation of someone who fondles cardboard? Should we allow marriage to be redefined to include man and cardboard cut outs? Will there be a cardboard cutout rally for equal cardboard rights?? Should've been a cut out of Barney Frank!!! If this were a Republican speech writer he would already have been fired, humiliated and arrested. So much for fairness!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Posted by: yankee11 | December 6, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Look, why don't we just follow our beacon examples from ABC,CBS,NBC and CNN....and just give this guy a pass?

Posted by: gjhealy | December 6, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Its kind of ironic how the Obamites always brush of what their heroe and his entourage does. If this was a picture of a McCain staffer groping a cardboard cut out of Mobama, the story would be on the front page of the NYT. By the way, Obama really does have a birth certificate problem. It is percolating.

Posted by: sombreropoint38 | December 6, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

We've been told that Obama wrote most of his speeches. What the f***? Stupid kids showing off their stupidity on Facebook, etc. So much for intelligence. Just like the majority of those who voted for a guy the country knows nothing about. Why do we not have Obama's records from Columbia University? From Harvard? His medical records? Money? How did he afford his Hyde Park mansion? Oh yea, Rezko. Rezko who? I think we'll find out more and we'll be saying the same things that were said in 2004 when Bush was actually re-elected. Thank you MSM for nothing. BTW, how''s that not smoking working out for the President Elect? Last I heard, on Barbara Wahwah, he's having trouble staying off the tobacco. How about the pot and crack and cocaine he admittly used to partake in? Is he still having trouble with that too?

Posted by: gdex2r | December 6, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The stupid guy was proud of the photo, he put it on Facebook. He wanted it to get out, in other words. It does show the lack of character in Obama's speechwriter to do something like that publicly, instead of keeping it PRIVATE. That's the real issue: an employee of Barack Obama allowed to insult Hillary Clinton, a Senator, a candidate for Secretary of State, PUBLICLY and the guy doesn't lose his job over this? What other improper and insulting things going on in government will Barack Obama condone or ignore as unimportant?

Remember, presidents have come down in the past because of the lack of character of the people around them. Obama would be smart to publicly distance himself from this "speechwriter."

And Hillary would be smart to realize she will be used by Obama and then spit out when she is no longer necessary. Let's say he nominates her as Sec of State, she gets the job, has to resign her Senate seat, and then Obama blames some foreign policy gaffe on Hillary and removes her. Then Hillary will have lost BOTH her Senate seat AND the Sec. of State position.

Be careful Hillary.

Posted by: mamalahma | December 6, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

What the hell. Let Hillary have a little fun.Bill had his share. I bet she has some fine knockers.

Posted by: KennyC1 | December 6, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Come on, there are more important issues than this. Journalists, dig and report the concerns of the auto bailout that will hurt us, dig and report about the terrorists that want to kill us, dig and report how capitalism in the USA is changing to socialism and the effects of it, dig and report the truth facts about global warming. I can go on on stories that are more important to the nation than this. This article should be in the National Enquirer. I bet Hillary doesn't give a **** about this picture, I know I don't.

Posted by: trent72063 | December 6, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

OK...Now it all makes sense. I've been listening to Barak's speeches during the campaign and I always thought they sound like they had been written by some high school Creative Writing student. All the flowery words and catch phrases like everything this clown ever utters is supposed to go down in history as some monumental speech always made me laugh. Now that I know the author of those speeches was some punk 27 year old kid who probably received the usual sub-standard education afforded by our government school system and liberal puke holes they call colleges and universities in this country explains everything.

Posted by: bobaustx74 | December 6, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me with this. Look I am no fan of Barry but really what do we have here a couple 20 something kids blowing off steam. Heck Hill would love to have been groped by a couple of young guys.

Posted by: gagedesoto | December 6, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

This guy is a speechwriter for Obama? Great. This is just the kind of staff that Obama needs to lend credibility to his upcoming administration. No doubt we will be treated to more entertaining Obama-gaffs as the messiah and his crew get further into their transition and eventually take over in January.

Posted by: PatrickCurry | December 6, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Stop acting like a bunch of whiny babies. It is CARDBOARD cutout! When did America become such a pu$$y nation offended by everything?

That stupid hen Hillary would be lucky if any man actually wanted to touch her awful body.

Posted by: Berghead | December 6, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

HIllary seems to have less of a problem with this incident than a lot of you mindless (R)bots.

And for those of you who have trouble with critical reading, her press release was tongue-in-cheek (so to speak). Jon hasn't really applied for a State Dept. position... It even gives his new title right there in the article... RTFA!

Posted by: HeresAnIdea | December 6, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

No way should Hillary allow that sexist PIG to work in the State Department. His obvious condesention towards women would impact his job performance. Even if you consider his actions to be merely juvenile the State Department should not have to offer maturity training for pre-adolescents.

Posted by: mpdamon | December 6, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

stupid things people do when drunk:
insult people
stumble
vomit
hurt themselves
kill people while driving
reveal national security secrets

Posted by: ricardo4max | December 6, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

If Bill won't, somebody has to step up to the plate.

Posted by: pikua | December 6, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Just another example of the immaturity and and lack of good judgement of liberals and Obamabots. The hypocrisy of the left just keeps moving towards the more extreme and absurd.

Posted by: ricardo4max | December 6, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

This guy should be denied a position in the State Department just for being too damn stupid! How many times have we heard of someone being burned because of an idiotic photo that they posted on Myspace or other social networking sites? I find it ridiculous for a supposedly grown man to utilize such a site anyway.

Grow up!

Posted by: markg0410 | December 6, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

I understand that this guy is probably drunk -- fine.
We all know the Obama campaign and their media minions treated Hillary Clinton like a piece of crap.
However, I sincerely believe they all know now that he would not have gotten elected if she hadn't campaigned her butt off for him right up to the last day.
So I honestly believe all of that is behind us now, and the indication for the rest of us was the appointment to Sec of State.

But it's comments like these that show me how ignorant some Americans are about women-hating in this country:

"Most of you commenters need to realize that what he did was a compliment to Hillary. Mostly people think that she is some old hag/dike. To have your picture felt up is a indication that you are at least do-able with beer goggles on."

Posted by: boogers_megee | December 6, 2008 12:34 AM

Posted by: freespeak | December 6, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

Now Hillary supporters are the right wingnuts?

OK.

Posted by: Austin10 | December 6, 2008 5:39 AM | Report abuse

A transition official said that Favreau had "reached out to Senator Clinton to offer an apology."

Seems he's already "reached-out" one too many times. Reaching-out is what got him in trouble in the first place.

The story should be a one-line filler about Mr. Obama firing a speechwriter, if a story at all.

There should be a story and about how the Secretary-of-State designee slapped two boys senseless.

A lady would slap Jon (and the one with the beer) and accept the apology. A gentleman would put Jon out of his association.

The boy is stupid and boorish. The one with the beer is equally stupid, and aggressive. (Look at his right hand)

While you rationalize the acceptability of the behavior, could you accept the same behavior from John McCain? Your father? That Jon is a speechwriter for the President-elect is irrelevant.

Posted by: MBAchin | December 6, 2008 5:15 AM | Report abuse

Yikes, just when I thought nothing could be dumber than Janet Jackson and "nipplegate" the desperate right wingnuts come through again.
Seriously, grow a pair and get over it.
And I don't know, maybe quit praying for something to take Obama down and actually put country first for once?

Posted by: miraboov | December 6, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

I liked the Clinton staffer's response. Intelligent way to say the kid is an idiot.

This is the guy who wrote the speeches about 'judgment', right?

This is the kid whose judgment Obama trusts in charge of his future speeches?


Posted by: 1950democrat | December 6, 2008 4:34 AM | Report abuse

Now I understand why Obama's speeches have always bored me and seemed to lack depth and content.

Posted by: rockrooky | December 6, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

Are most of you just elderly prudes? Your underwear is too tight. Go drink a couple of beers and chill out. Idiots.

Posted by: jstric2608 | December 6, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse

To all the apparent prigs who scrawled hissyfit bloviations about this kid "going too far" I got a question for you. WHO CARES. I mean REALLY. He's obviously talented. He's in his 20's and a speechwriter. He parties it up with his friends, there's a cardboard cutout of Hillary Clinton there. The party wasn't even big-- it was at someone's house. This is NOT a big deal and DEFINITELY NOT something to waste neurons thinking about. Grow up, America.

Posted by: smokeandmirrors | December 6, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

One, some of you don't seem to understand how Facebook works. You make it sound like Mr. Favreau put the picture up himself to be disrespectful. With Facebook, any of your friends can tag you in a photo without your consent or not. So, felt that needed to be cleared up.

Two, get over this. I understand it is childish, immature behavior. But really, how many of you have done something stupid that you have regretted? Anyone saying no, is lieing to themselves. The man did something stupid while he was drunk (like he's really had a lot of time to party over the last 2 years or will anytime soon). Ok. Immature? Yes, obviously? To warrant the temper tantrums I see you people posting saying he needs to be fired? Absolutely not.

Posted by: vaxarado | December 6, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse


Hillary should be flattered that a good looking 27 year old is grabbing her boob in a cutout. Get over it folks, this is the 21st century and the younger generation isn't as anal.


Posted by: dogsbestfriend | December 6, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Typical white people...

Change we can beleive in.

Posted by: sixelsixgt | December 6, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

If this is indicative of what Obama proposes to hire in his new administration, I guess he needs to get some tutelage on hiring staff also.

The little punk needs his ass kicked in public.

I would say something about men who have tiny little parts of their bodies feeling very insecure around strong women. Mr. (or is he old enough for that title?) Favreau proves that point.

Posted by: jaywhy321 | December 6, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I must confess that I once groped a Hillary cutout myself. It was back when the Clintons ruled the White house. You could get your picture taken with cutouts of Bill and Hillary. There we were, Bill, Hillary and me in between. My hand slowly slipped down Hillary's shoulder and then... Bill never even noticed. He was checking out the photographer! I will carry the memory to my grave.

I cannot wait until they set up the cutouts of Barack and Michelle in DC. It will be booty call time.

Posted by: obamamamajamma | December 6, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

I must confess that I once groped a Hillary cutout myself. It was back when the Clintons ruled the White house. You could get your picture taken with cutouts of Bill and Hillary. There we were, Bill, Hillary and me in between. My hand slowly slipped down Hillary's shoulder and then... Bill never even noticed. He was checking out the photographer! I will carry the memory to my grave.

I cannot wait until they set up the cutouts of Barack and Michelle in DC. It will be booty call time.

Posted by: obamamamajamma | December 6, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Right now hundreds of thousands of uneducated Obama supporters are saying to themselves, "Ummmmm What do you mean he has speechwriters?"

Posted by: Sprinter | December 6, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Yes, this act might seem incredibly immature. But on the other hand, its hilarious. Most of you commenters need to realize that what he did was a compliment to Hillary. Mostly people think that she is some old hag/dike. To have your picture felt up is a indication that you are at least do-able with beer goggles on. Hillary should accept this for what this is a compliment.

Posted by: boogers_megee | December 6, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

IF those JERKS are to be employed by the President-Elect, they HAVE to be FIRED! This citizen does NOT want anyone like that writing anything for any public servant, let alone, the President.

The jerk is obviously NOT "responsible" and does NOT take HIS role to our nation seriously enough to be entrusted with the "words" of a president!

If the President keeps that MORON on staff, the President will be the one to have lost faith with the American people just before he will have even taken the Oath of Office.

What kind of MORONS keep coming to Washington, D.C. anyway? It is no wonder the Chinese and Indians are knockng the socks off the U.S. Look at the KIND of MORONS surrounding the presidents of both parties!!

And, the U.S. politicians wonder why the world's nations hold the U.S. in such low regard? Take a look at the vermin in that photo who is writing the words of the President-elect!

Posted by: gglenc | December 6, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

ppmartin: take your pompous "above it all" smugness over to Rosie's blog. I'm telling you....you....that if that were my wife and it was you doing to it what that creep is doing you would be on a bus out of town by now. Creep. You have no idea what is in store for that "anything goes" underdeveloped collegiate attitude you call liberal sophistication is in for in the next decade or so. IT IS NEVER OK TO PUBLICALLY DISPLAY THIS KIND OF FILTH. NOT EVER....and I could care less about Hillary the politician. So go somewhere else and peddle your cowardly crap.

Posted by: blpross | December 6, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Many comments in this thread are unreasonably aggressive and way more offensive than the picture itself. Please do not stir controversy for the sake of it. Whether you voted or not for your future President, you should keep your cool and be more friendly with your compatriots.

Posted by: ppmartin | December 5, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

People---the election is over. I know some of ya'll are still pissed--but its over. Obama is the new president--And well over 18 million have spoken...Tuck the anger away for about 3 ears---you get a chance in 2012 to go off all over again. but for now its over

Posted by: 8709hamilton | December 5, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Our fresh faced little frat boy is indeed "reaching out to her," in his revealing good old new old boy fake fondling of former foe of our favorite new boss same as the old boss. Now if Obama hadn't just chosen 20 friends of his former elite school, I'd say he was reaching out to the masses, much like former formidable foe Joe the Plumber, but instead, looks like he's really covering up the fact that he takes whatever serves his purpose, be it, taking the voters for a ride with all the "new hope" yet all his picks are the old and elite guard, or letting a fool write fancy footwork to cover up the fact that Obama showed he couldn't talk without a teleprompter.
Now we see who is behind the screen; without the smoke and mirrors it ain't pretty. Facebook is more powerful than the Post, and a whole lot more real. What would we do without the truth?

Posted by: surfbum | December 5, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign treated the Clintons with the exact same disrespect that the MSM and the Republicans did since 1993. This is even after the Clintons took the hits for all Democrats...it was a disgrace, From the first day of the campaign when Gibbs said that the Clintons had "sold out the Lincoln bedroom" to their first ad which said that Hillary " would say or do anything " to be elected...these hyper ambitious Obhamaites justified their hatred for the Clintons in millions of ways - but the reality - they were just mad at Hillary because she st6ood in the way of their - I WANT...bunch of punk children....if Obama had any class he would ,make Favrou walk the plank, but what chance of that is there...these amateur fools actually believe that Hillary IS a Monster and that it was the Clintons were the bad guys in the primaries...as if...these tools actually believe their press clippings...go save us all!

Posted by: holdencaulfield | December 5, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Playful? PLAYFUL???? How's this for playful... Where can I get me a cardboard cut out of that big ol' black buck Obammy? I'm gonna put him in shackles with a chain around his neck and stand him in the cottonfield. C'mon I'm just playing. That's ok, right? You overly sensitive black folks and guilty whiteys just need to lighten up!

Posted by: hebedafraud | December 5, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

carolinagirl2 ~

I see the humor. BUT, you are taking the examples too far, way out where the buses don't go! I took a little drive out where you are and came up with this example for you to answer:
"If a pedi had a cardboard cut out of a child, how would you feel?"

Posted by: ItIsWhatItIs | December 5, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

They looks drunks at a frat party.

Are frat boys part of Obama's "diverse" administration?

Posted by: WashingtonDame | December 5, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

The thing is that she finally looks happy here. Since Billy did his doodle, her public performance has not been great. This is the first time I have seen her with that old Goldwater glow in her eyes, and I don't think that its just the alcohol talking. Anyway, aren't there laws against having fun while working in politics?

Well, the sad part is that if Bill Clinton was more like these guys, all he would have ended up with is a paper cut and not an impeachment trial.

Posted by: danconia76 | December 5, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I think that his hand is closer to her arm than breast. Still, I'm sort of shocked that Hillary would have posed in such an off season outfit. Maybe he was just trying to pull it off. I heard that the same guy posed naked with a cut-out of Ayn Rand while they broke her fire place, but that's just a rumor.

Posted by: danconia76 | December 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Can't you feel those oceans receding..

Posted by: fraccle | December 5, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

come on libs...can't you take a joke!

Posted by: schlthss | December 5, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah guys, I know how you feel. I always had to get drunk too.

Posted by: WJ_Clinton | December 5, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

clsmithj: by the way. There is not a single relationship of reason between the two sentences you wrote. Not to throw you, but it is a non-sequitor (sorry, you can look it up) to claim that because Hillary drinks beer and whisky that she should ignore the obvious disrespect those two morons have for her, her husband and her daughter. I wonder if the Obama kids are ever going to be allowed to read the blogs when they start dis respecting their mother this way. Will Hillary care? If she doesn't she is as bad as they are.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Dear clsmithj: Send me a picture of your wife...no, better, your mother....and let's see if your "above it all" smugness can withstand publication, which by now, on this photo, is world wide. What is it about liberals that makes them incapable of admitting to wrong doing. Fidel is an agrarian reformer, Bill sex life is private, the constitution only means what some judge says it means.....I think liberals are like addicts. They are constituionally incapable of being honest with themselves.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Yo manichaze, this isn't Drudgereport, this is The Washington Post that is reporting this. Nice try, though.

Posted by: DreamMaster | December 5, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

This is not a man, it is a rebellious child. JUST THINK - Obama's main speechwriter - posting this on the internet - disrespecting Hillary - Obama's pick for his secretary of state! The irrogance is atrocious. This guy must have an ego that short-circuits his brain.

Posted by: forthetruth | December 5, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama's silence on this one makes me re-consider that he might indeed have meant to disparage Sarah Palin by calling her a pig, and that it wasn't just a mistake on his part, which is what the media tried to tell us at the time.

This man Obama has a real trend to discredit his enemies: very Nixonian in quality. I really think he wants Hillary Clinton to be Sec. of State because then when his foreign policy is shown up to be weak (as most Democrat presidents are) he and his administration can blame Hillary and take her out of the position and then Hillary will have lost her Senate seat AND her respect as Sec. of State.

Hillary, I wouldn't trust Obama to throw him.

Posted by: mamalahma | December 5, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I see you liberal bloggers know your DNC Playbook quite well.

Rule #37887 When there is no defense, minimize, minimize, minimize and/or

Rule#4455671 When there is no defense go on the offense and, of course,

Rule #1 Liberals cannot do anything wrong, anywhere, anytime. It is Republicans that must be scrutinized, found guilty or guilty, and forced to resign.

Posted by: girlnextdoor | December 5, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

If Obama doesn't "get" it that this is an indication of an immature person with a sick and troubled mind, then we can conclude Obama is even more dense than we had suspected.

I don't care if this Jon Favreau jerk writes like Shakespeare, he does not belong on the president's staff -- or anywhere near presidential power.

This is NOT funny.

It is disgusting.

Let's assume this cardboard figure was a representation of Michelle, or Obama's eldest daughter a few years from now.

Would the Obama cult think this is so f_____ funny then?

If so, it just proves what I have suspected for some time: that the Obama cult is made up of some very immature and emotionally retarded people.

Surely, Obama has heard about this photo by now, and so his silence tells us most of what we need to know about Obama's principles.


Posted by: turner1 | December 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Um wasn't Hillary Clinton taking shots and guzzling down beer during the campaign trail. Who ever is getting outrage over this undated photo of a card board cut out is a moron.

Posted by: clsmithj | December 5, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Remember folks, this is Obama's HEAD Speech Writer. He is actually the one you are listening to when BHO speaks his words of false wisdom. Hahahahahaha!!!!
Bunch of Kool-aid drinkers who buy into the farce of the Obama administration, face it they are all phony's, this is just the beginning!

Posted by: anaf | December 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Long Live Your Laundry!
You bought the infomercial, now we all will have to live with it.

Posted by: YABLONKOFF | December 5, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

You can't be serious. This is an issue? The Drudge Report needs to stop digging up bogus crap to stick on the new administration.

Posted by: manichaze | December 5, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are getting so wound up over this picture. Was it juvenile? Yes. Was it crude? Yes. Was it any different that what happens every weekend on college campuses all over the country? No. I'm not exactly an Obama supported and I'm not exactly thrilled that he is surrounding himself with fratboy mentality people, but in the grand scheme of things (Mumbai attacks, stock market tanking, unemployment going up, etc.) this issue is a pimple on an elephant's behind.

Posted by: AKMan | December 5, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

BUZZARDSKORNER, people are known by the company they keep, especially when it's your head speechwriter. Obama's main guy is an immature little pig. THAT says something about Obama, just like Karl Rove speaks volumes about Bush the junior.

Also, people who like Obama will find any reason to excuse his or his staff's behavior, in the exact same way some republicans would excuse anything Bush and his people did. We don't need anymore of that. Obama needs to take control of his misogynistic, frat boy staff. This guy's behavior is inexusable.

Posted by: Bees2 | December 5, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

moralwrong: spoken like an anonymous coward. Did you say newspaper? smoke a little more dope a..hole. Got a real name? Nah...you're probably the j.off that goes by ..."a friend" Go play over at Rosie's blog you pus..y. As for words....I'll say what ever I want to you mindless twit. Mimetic aggressiveness? You don't have the b.lls.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who has the frame of mind, or even can come up with some way in their mind which makes sense that this is somehow President Obama's issue has DEEP UNRESOVLED issues of their own.....It was not him, it was not his hand on her chest, Hell, was he even there?

PPl who dislike Obama for WHATEVER reason are so desperate to find anything to justify their insane thinking.......PPL GET OVER IT....AND GET ON WITH ATTENDING BUSINESS OF YOUR OWN......if you have any!!!!

Honestly, We Americans are way to damn sensitive......we seem to take everything personally, and that can only happen if we think LIFE is all about us! (AND IT IS NOT) WHICH WE FINALLY ARE WAKING UP TO REALIZING!!

BUZZARDSKORNER

Posted by: Hheeaatt | December 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Does Hillary have a chest in her armpit? Get a life, Al.

Posted by: pft801 | December 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing to me that there are actually idiots on here defending the behavior shown in this photo.

Let's get something straight here: the SIGNIFICANCE of this photo, the REASON it's in The Washington Post is because this crude, degrading, sexist, immature, sophmoric behavior is occuring from someone who has just been placed in a high position on the staff of The President of the United States of America...get it now morons? (Sadly, you probably don't.)

This isn't your idiot, alcoholic brother "Frank" acting out against women because of his miniscule male "member", this is someone who was placed in a high position on Obama's staff who not only was STUPID enough to DO this, he was actually STUPID enough to place it on his FACEBOOK...what kind of "judgment" is THAT from someone who is serving on the staff of the President of the United States of America?

Furthermore - what kind of judgment is it that Obama picked this moron to be his chief speechwriter in the first place? I'm sure this wasn't Obama's first indication of this moron's sexist, masogonistic behavior.

Am I surprised? No. We were all witness to Obama himself flipping Hillary the finger in Raleigh, NC and the "lovely" Michelle saying "If you can't run your own house, you SURE don't need to be running the WHITE house" so evidence of this immature behavior is typical of what Americans are used to seeing from Obama, Michelle and all of his staff, quite frankly.

Posted by: br1nn | December 5, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping Oprah's boy had learned his lesson but he surrounds himself with men who have no respect for Hillary & probably women in general.
Hope the speech writer is sent packing with his pencil & peanuts between his legs.

Wake up Barry and surround yourself with people with a little class & respect for your Sec. of State.

Posted by: geobiolvr | December 5, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

THOSE HE-DEVILS ! THANK GOD I HAD MY PANTS SUIT ON.

Posted by: MichaelColeman1 | December 5, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this Jon Favreau (that's French right?)is really showing his subliminal admiration for Hillary.If they meet in her office she might turn into one of those "cougar" women who date younger men. It's the latest trend and Jon might be next. Meeeeow Baby!!!http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/Health/Story?id=731599

Posted by: flienhard | December 5, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The inmates are in charge of the asylum again!!!!

Posted by: sunshine484848 | December 5, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I should have mentioned, the rest of the world knows it, school starts 1/20/2009.

Posted by: Hmmmm | December 5, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Ahh yes, it's more of that change we can believe in. How lovely! Here's a better photo of the party:

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2411/nobama1qn1.png

Posted by: Bees2 | December 5, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

NOT A WORD ABOUT BILLS FEELINGS ? HE IS A MAN WITH FEELINGS TOO !

Posted by: MichaelColeman1 | December 5, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Get used to this, the kids are back in charge.

Posted by: Hmmmm | December 5, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey losers its Friday night get over the boob grab on a cardboard cutout. Again the sad point is- he puts pictures of himself online. My guess is that the majority of you on here have the same. Get a life!

Posted by: jhk220 | December 5, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

This guy is flaunting his disrespect. He probably thinks he is so smart - he got half of the country to vote for Obama - and he's just a fool who posts his drunken party pictures online. At least 50% of us could see through the hype and the marketing. He'll probably rise to great heights in the liberal elite, and go on to thumb his nose at the "little people".

Posted by: forthetruth | December 5, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA! TYPICAL OBAmA SUPPORTER! SEXIST AND RACISTS!!!

Time for Obama to get booted before he even gains power! Supreme Court is going to hear the lawsuit against him and how he isn't a U.S Citizen! HAHAHA so much for OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!! America is great!

http://www.fvckobama.com

Posted by: xtme2005 | December 5, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Great, we have very-thin-skinned feminazis calling for "hate crime" laws to go after frat-boys for just having immature, drunken, playful stunts involving cardboard cutouts of female politicians/celebrities.

Let round up all them politico frat-boys and send them to internment camps run by latex-leather-cladded Amazon-like women touting uzis! These poor young men ain't going to seen anything like those classic Russ Meyer films.

Grow a common sense or two, willya?

Posted by: robund | December 5, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

This is just more evidence of how tacky and tasteless liberals are. They have absolutely no dignity, manners or sense of propriety. Unfortunately, a lot of people are going to see something stupid like this and automatically think that all Americans are the same. Down with liberals and their stinky agenda. Get rid of them before they mess up America even more than they already have.

Posted by: veritaseequitas | December 5, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

This is not just a funny party scene. He is showing his prejudice about women. And the liberals claim to be the party without prejudice! What a crock. This is Obama's speech writer - a guy that had a big part in Obama being elected. You would think he would at least show respect for his own party affiliation. Instead, he thinks its cool to post this on the internet. What a moron. I hope the liberal left is proud of their boy.

Posted by: forthetruth | December 5, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Fire him. We expect a higher standard from the staff of the next President of the United States.

Posted by: LeeH60 | December 5, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

NO ONE EVER-EVER , GAVE ONE SECOND ABOUT HER HUSBAND'S FEELINGS ? WHY ? HE IS A HUMAN BEING WITH FEELINGS TOO !

Posted by: MichaelColeman1 | December 5, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Why do "women issues" keep coming up with Obama?

The real reason that Obama hates women is because his mother often neglected him in order to spend time chasing around strange men all over the world. Obama often felt like a second-class citizen in his own home. This confused young Barry & created feelings of abandonment & resentment.

I know this because it happened to me.

Sincerely,
John Wayne Gacy

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

This Obama guy really hates women.

During the campaign, he accused Hillary of getting cranky every few weeks, called a female reporter "sweetheart", & then he called Sarah Palin a pig. If that's not a misogynist, I don't know what is.

Now this?
Obamisogynist really needs some diversity training.

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

To those who say they think this photo is funny, would you please explain what's funny about it? It's sad to me that mockery of this sort is considered humor.

Posted by: nonpartisan08 | December 5, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"I don't really believe anyone here is outraged by this picture. Since when are cardboard cut-outs sacred? Posted by: carolinagirl2" Flash: Once upon a time, little girl, there was such a thing as appropriate behavior and self-control and negative social consequences to be paid by "adults" who acted like boorish, crude adolescents with little sense of neither common decency nor discretion. Perhaps, sadly, that time is past. That, however, leads me to ask if you and your like-minded party-animal friends were born self-absorbed sty-dwellers or did you have to go to graduate school to learn the subtle nuances of genuine self-absorption. Re: Favreau...maybe I'm asking too much to expect an immature boy who's an "adult" only in chronological terms to act like a gentleman. After all, you have to first be a real, grown-up man to do that. Perhaps setting up a sandbox for the kiddies in the Oval Office would be appropriate...and I don't mean for the Obama children, both of whom probably have more self-discipline than Favreau and his Delta House playmates combined. It's said that the true measure of a man's character is best determined by the maturity and character of those people he seeks counsel of. If that's true, and I believe it is, this tells me a whole lot about the President-elect, and not much of it is very good.

Posted by: Bummer64 | December 5, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with that, I'm used to grabbing the left cheek of a pretty girls but!

Posted by: axmen | December 5, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Not for groping a cutout and very humorous one at that- it is for having photos of himself on line. What a loser... HA HA

Posted by: jhk220 | December 5, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

blpross are you threatening people on the comment section of a newspaper? come see you? ill bite where should any of us find you(seeing you seem to be so full of courage), walmart? strip clubs? nambla meetings? where does such a pontificator of such noble truths hide his sallow face?
for the record, there is nothing more cowardous than the keyboard warrior. i get it youre jealously makes you type tough guy messages on the washington post webpage. but acting tough here is like acting cool on an apple fan page. and seriously "dweeb"? does that word come with z cavaricci's and a silk shirt? what year is this? get back to drinking your bud dry and driving your IROC. and if youre feeling extra saucy feel free to combine the two. we wont complain.

Posted by: moralwrong | December 5, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

wrote, "Favreau should be immediately fired for extreme vicious sexism against women. This is hate speech against women. He is portraying an image of himself in sexual foreplay with the image of Clinton in a public place."

Good grief!! "extreme vicious sexism against women"??!!??!!

It may have eluded your powers of observation, but it is a PIECE OF CARDBOARD! It isn't a real woman!

Do you know those commercials where people get blown up, or movies where dogs get run over? Psssttt... That isn't real either. Should all of the actors and directors and producers be fired for murder or mock animal cruelty?

Dear God, what have we come to? A guy could lose his job for placing his hand on a piece of cardboard.

The inmates are running the asylum and the Washington Post is urging them on.

Mr. Q.

Posted by: Mr_Q | December 5, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Democrats - the party for the idiots. Making us laugh more than 100 years!

Posted by: sasines1 | December 5, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

bout....bout....bout dem mets! and for MikeinNC.....dirty poses in the Mall are not OK., dou..ch.! But that's only a word right, you wack doodle liberal!

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

SteveinArlingtonVA said: "Uh-oh. It seems Drudge has this story posted and all the shrill, humorless, politically-correct right-wing moral police nutjobs are posting en masse.

It's a joke, Repubs. Get over it."


Wait. Hold on. Time out.

Did you say, or rather, write, "politically-correct right-wing"?

I thought so. I think you need better glasses and/or a hearing aid. Or better yet, scratch that because there may be a job opening in the new administration very soon for just your sort of skills.

I've never met any politically correct "right wingers" as you call them. I'll assume you mean conservatives or republicans.
Never. Not one. Can you name any conservative or republican who is politically correct?

PC is a liberal, left wing (I won't say nutjob, or wingnut, since it's used exclusively by angry liberals, and I do not consider myself one of those, thank goodness.) invention, convention and fabrication. It's a way to punish the innocent, praise the mediocre, water down the language and remove color, no offense intended, from humor. It's about power.

And as for your claim that conservatives are "shrill, humorless"... Well, it's axiomatic that those characteristics were patented years and years ago by the Left. They still hold the copyright.

All seriousness aside, ;) check out the want-ads from Penn Ave in January. You may get lucky.

And by the way, if you were smarter than you claim to be, you would check out Drudge, daily. All the mainstream press do! Besides, Drudge simply links to existing stories, so if you take umbrage on what you see there, don't blame the messenger, blame the source.

Posted by: humbleradio | December 5, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

My job here is done! Bye and.....how dem Mets?

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

OMG, can we please stop the histrionics....I couldn't count the number of times I have been at a party, mall, store, whatever and seen some kind of cutout celebrity sign that people could pose with...and you know what happens every time? People get up and pose in some silly or suggestive fashion with the cutout. It is called a joke...some of you should try it some time. It doesn't mean you are sexist, racist, horrible, whatever....I really wonder sometimes - how can anyone actually survive to serve in public office anymore...you have to be freakin perfect and PC in every way, shape or form for your entire life....I would actually worry more about someone on whom we couldn't find some kind of embarrassing photo or story....perfection does not exist, but that seems to be our standard for public figures...sheesh

Posted by: MikeinNC | December 5, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh he didn't REALLY get in trouble. Hillary encouraged it. (She likes the attention) From what I believe he has her bra too.

Posted by: raybernards | December 5, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

WHY DID YOU REMOVE COMMENTS THAT WERE POSTED AFTER 6:23 P. M What are you afraid of, the trut/h.

Posted by: jrbreslin1 | December 5, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Coffeegirl2? Must be an effin twin. Imagine. Carolinagirl2 on one arm, coffeegirl12 on the other. Anyway, they have rendered themselves utterly insultable because after all, this is only a blog and words are only words. Go sit on Barney Franks lap, girls, that's where all the action is now in the HOWWWWSSS.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

And this is the tripe the country has to put up with for 4 more years - a smartass frat boy writing speeches for the annointed one? It's going to be a looooooooong 4 years.

Posted by: patty42 | December 5, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Rielle = desperate for friends. Stalking random posters.

YAWN . . .

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh goodie! THe Clinton years are back!

Posted by: Chukkal | December 5, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Evertime the Dem's do some stupid thing there is an excuse that it was only a joke. How can Obama appoint Clinton as Secterary of State since there is clear violation of the Ineligibity Clause (Article 1, Section 6). There is a violation since an Executive Order signed on January,2008 increased the Secretary of State's salary while Clinton was still a United States Senator; which makes Clinton ineligible. Let's see how the Dem's prostitute the Constitution now.

Posted by: jrbreslin1 | December 5, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

The complaints posted have the same rhetorical cadence that certain Muslim populations stated when a demeaning sketch of Muhammed was printed. I guess everyone has Graven Images.

Posted by: sqlthing | December 5, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

carolinagirl2 = not too good at comebacks, are you?

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

coffeegirl2 said: "The focus should be on the individual that ran this country into total ruins...war criminal???? Of course the media refuses to address the real issues and would rather focus on the rediculous."

YES! We knew it! Only a mere fraction of the way down the page and it's already Bush's fault! LOL!! I LOVE LIBERALS! Coffeegirl2, maybe too much caffeine?

You're right though. It is silly. However, he is the words behind the voice. All speechwriters are. If Obama wants his own words to remain untarnished and unchallenged he needs to deep six this guy quickly. Is he so valuable to so valuable a man, a movement? Compare what could be lost if he doesn't get rid of him.

It's a no brainer. Dude, you're fired.
Reason: 1. Poor character displayed in public for a public servant.
Reason 2. Lied in vetting process. (removing evidence is not telling the truth. Nixon resigned over removing evidence. Sandy Berger got a new prescription for his attempt to hide it, and the mainstream press all lost their credibility over it when they looked the other way and Drudge didn't. The rest is history.)

And to those who think this guy, the one with the cupped hand over cardboard, is talented. Think again.
Obama is talented. He has the ability to turn rhetoric and fluff into meaningful moments. This guy is your basic post-grad smart ass who got lucky.

Obama didn't get lucky. Obama worked at what he is. Very hard. If you don't believe me, READ Obama's speeches. Don't listen or watch, read them. Then compare to how Obama transforms those rather mediocre words into public speaking masterpieces.

So, P.E.O.T.U.S. Obama , I hope you are what so many think you are, a good man with great ideas. Don't ruin it over a photo and a dumb ass.

You'll find it's not quite so easy to be teflon when you are now the one running things and no longer the challenger.

Good luck.

Posted by: humbleradio | December 5, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Jimbob6: spoken like the pathetic little anonymous coward you are. You go boy! Kiss carolinagirl12's.....ehh....what's the sense....your just another little dweeb hiding behind and avatar.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Rielle = desperate for friends. Stalking random posters.

YAWN . . .

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Dear carolinagirl2, I apologize for offending & scaring you with "menacing" language. I had no idea you were so thin skinned.

You seemed like you could take a joke, since you thought the Hillary-groping was so funny. I guess not.

Now you can leave.

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Rielle = desperate for friends. Stalking random posters.

YAWN . . .

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

carolinagirl2 = can dish it out but can't take it.

also afraid of "menacing" posts.

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

My dismay this guy looks like a little kid and drunk. Not impressed. Surrounds himself with sexist adolescent types.

Posted by: mjno | December 5, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain lost! Get over it! Losers.

Posted by: jimbob6 | December 5, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Rielle = desperate for friends. Stalking random posters.

YAWN . . .

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

This Obama guy really hates women.

During the campaign, he accused Hillary of getting cranky every few weeks, called a female reporter "sweetheart", & then he called Sarah Palin a pig. If that's not a misogynist, I don't know what is.

Now this?
Obamisogynist really needs some diversity training.

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Please stop the "menacing" language people. carolinagirl2 is starting to get scared & offended.

She now decides what is offensive. Her official position is:
Cardboard cutout groping = not offensive
"Menacing" postings = offensive

Please contribute:
"Stop the Menacing Language Foundation"

Silly little girl...

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

It's no worse than pasting Governor Palin's head to a bikini model's body, and everyone - Dems and Reps - did that for a while. It's still sexist, of course, and should be condemned, but seriously. Talk about punishment for your sins! That little wet-behind-the-ears frat boy has to WALK. IN. TO. HER. OFFICE. Hillary Clinton. A woman even Putin's aftaid of. And explain why he was fondling her on facebook. Can you imagine the look on the future Secretary of State's face when he shuffles in, head down, just hoping and praying that he survives? HAHAHA oh I hope *that* video gets on youtube. Anyway, if that experience doesn't cure him of sexism forever, nothing will.

Posted by: friendlyskies | December 5, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

This is representative of the kind of behavior that will characterize this novice President's reign.

Posted by: tsapp77 | December 5, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Rielle, you're a bore. Run along and suck up to someone else. I'm tired of you trying to be my friend.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

And to think if more people were savvy, we could actually have had a man with integrity in the white house - DR. RON PAUL

Posted by: christiananarchist | December 5, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

See, the trick these morons use is, when unable to justify the act, they immediately change the topic. They point to some other unjustifiable position using it as an excuse for their own behavior. Here is the fact: Favreau is an immature, repulsive, hack. He should not be allowed near anyone of power to mouth platitudes while he himself hasn't the slightest idea what any of his words mean other than their impact as sound bites. This is true Cynicism. Any position can be made to "sound" reasonable if you have no moral compass. This admistration will prove to be without personal integrity. And Obama will prove to be a coward. He couldn't walk out of the church that raving lunatic Wright was running and he will hold no one accountable as long as they have political currency.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Plastic or cardboard, the only types of women democrats can get close to.

Posted by: jltules | December 5, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Look at the PC hypocrite, carolinagirl2.

Now she's saying that the photo is harmless fun, but some of the people on this board are dangerous, vile, & "menacing". I think she feels threatened & violated. Oooo! Computer posters are scary & should be charged with hate crimes.

Come on carolinagirl2. It's all in good fun. Who are we to judge? We all do it.

We see now that carolinagirl2, the Obamapologist, is so warped & confused that she actually contradicts her own logic within the same post.

Anonymous posting is menacing?

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

This is his chief speech writer? A 27-year old kid. No wonder his speeches are all rhetoric and no substance. These kind of irreverant people may be praised on the streets of San Francisco, but the American public will quickly grow tired of them. Soon the shine will fade, and the reality of an administration founded on marketing will set in.

Posted by: bd1976 | December 5, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Newser01: So, you decide what the issues are you moron? I'll insult anyone I believe is insultable. You, especially, are sicker than the two imbeciles in the picture because you enable this kind of behaviour with a dismissal of smug maturity. You are a superficial chirp. Go talk to somebody over at Rosies where they still think the weapons of mass destruction never existed. I know where they are. There up your rear end along with all the climate charts Al Gore uses.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The sexism shown by the so-called Obama supporters on this board is so typical of Camp Obama.

The cardboard aspect of the cut-out is not the issue. The issue is the woman who is depicted on the cut-out. Again, I ask, does anyone really believe that if the image had been Michelle and not Hillary that this idiot would still have a job?

Those who keep trying to call attention to the cardboard and not the woman's image on the cardboard are only looking dim as well as callous.

Maybe someone should create a post about Sexists Anonymous. Apparently it has a two-step program. 1) Take your hand out of your pants. And, 2) Get a freakin' life. (Comment to be repeated every five minutes.)

Posted by: cin17 | December 5, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

MyDixieWrecked, make that 100% of the people here have done something similar or worse.

In fact, some of the posts here attacking other posters are more vile, disturbing and menacing than anything in this photo.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

It's more of the same cavalier sexism we've seen all along from Team Obama.

Make no mistake, Obama has set this tone of repugnant misogny that was rampant in the Primary and GE. Women (and men) who like this sort of thing should think again....

You've been bamboozled.

Posted by: Nukular_Strategery | December 5, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Why do "women issues" keep coming up with Obama?

The real reason that Obama hates women is because his mother often neglected him in order to spend time chasing around strange men all over the world. Obama often felt like a second-class citizen in his own home. This confused young Barry & created feelings of abandonment & resentment.

I know this because it happened to me.

Sincerely,
John Wayne Gacy

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

blpross, why so angry? Did you lose your cut-out? Did you develop arthritis in your "love" hand?

I'm sorry your life is so miserable and lonely that you overact and threaten violence to people over molested cardboard.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Dear KNB3: You take a deep breath...you enabling liberal bumbled.k. Hold it......hold it......hold it.....hold it.....hold it.....hold it......hold it..............

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I also voted for McCain, but this is a real non-story. 95% of the readers have either done worse or married someone who did.....BTW, Bill Clinton disrespected her so much worse so many times....Someone should ask Bill what he thinks.....

Posted by: MyeDixieWrecked | December 5, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey blpross- sometimes it is simple - and sometimes it's just trumped up crap by psychopaths like you.

Oh wait, I get it, until now you actually believed that Barack was the man who wrote his speeches so now a little piece of your world has broken in half.

I'm sorry to have been the one to have told you.

Hit yourself until your face is as ugly as your postings.

I am guessing it won't take long.


Posted by: MRidgeway1 | December 5, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Carolinagirl12: I got a card board cut out for you and a place of yours to put it. That is no doubt as close to the real thing as you will get. You are a despicable excuse for a female. You deserve no respect and yet......this is me being nice.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news!

This was actually a photo from Obama's diversity training class. To graduate from Obama diversity training, you have to punch a hole in the Hillary cutout's face & then spit on her.

Obamisogynist!


Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I think he should be fired for lying on the vetting application. Another character flaw? Or did anyone in the dream team really think that Obama was serious about those questions?

Posted by: smichperal | December 5, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Favreau....this is for the little dweeb that somehow escaped having his name in print referred to "And friend." I voted for McCain. I don't agree with 99% of anything Hillary stands for. But a piece of sh.t like you needs his little face rearranged. What the hell is wrong with crap hole group of young people? Come see me dweeb. I'll show you how I really feel about Hillary. Every word from Obama's mouth will have this picture behind him.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Why do "women issues" keep coming up with Obama?

The real reason that Obama hates women is because his mother often neglected him in order to spend time chasing around strange men all over the world. Obama often felt like a second-class citizen in his own home. This confused young Barry & created feelings of abandonment & resentment.

I know this because it happened to me.

Sincerely,
John Wayne Gacy

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

You Obambi ass kissers are missing the point. This guy writes speeches for the next POTUS. He did something that he had to know it would be on the internet immediately after they took the picture. Sure we all who party do stupid immature things, BUT we don't write speeches for the next POTUS. How stupid of this guy to embarrass himself and Obambi. You idiot demoRATS are covering for him already just like you did when Clinton was doing Lewinski on government time. IDIOTS you all are.

Posted by: rcasanova145 | December 5, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Let's all take a deep breath and get a grip... It was a party, for Pete's sake... and this is a piece of cardboard... We're not talking about desecrating the flag. Geez, is everything punishable these days???

Posted by: knb53 | December 5, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Blpross, you've made me see the error of my ways! Please join the fight against cardboard cruelty:

Send donations to

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Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Only liberals would turn their head at an idiot drunk misogynist pig groping a cutout of ANY WOMAN. The messiah wants the 27 year old frat boy as a speechwriter, than God has spoken. The lefties like Al Kamen will declare it irrelevant, rejoice at the sound of Obama's voice and his pretense that woman are equals. What would have happened if a government employee had a picture of someone groping Michelle Obama? I imagine it would have resulted in 1,00,000 feminist march, Al Sharpton with a bullhorn, Oprah crying her eyelashes off, the various King Family members, and criminal charges.

Hey, left-wing, lunatic liberals: you are a bunch of two-faced liars.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | December 5, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

OMG who cares! He's a speech writer for gosh sakes not the Secretary of Defense. No one was hurt and i'll bet Hillary could care less! The focus should be on the individual that ran this country into total ruins...war criminal???? Of course the media refuses to address the real issues and would rather focus on the rediculous. Obama will pull this country out of the depths of dispair and return the USA to a powerful, respected country.

Posted by: coffeegirl2 | December 5, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Dear Pastor Hutchinson: I'm with ya. Tired of these moronic cowards hiding behind free speech so they can denigrate anyone who believes in God.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Mridgeway1: Thanks a lot for more simple minded, third grade insight you idiot. Go date Carolinagirl12. But don't have children. This is not a new generation. This is a de-generation. They make the Muslim fanatics look somehow sensible. Now, everytime I hear a speech from Obama I have to think that the words are from this pathetic excuse for an adult. By the way Mr. Favreau, come and explain yourself to me in your fashion and I'll explain myself to you in my fashion. But your just a boy, who cares now what you write. Your voice, Obama's mouth.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The MSM/WAPO will keep this off the front pages you can bet!

Posted by: Jaymand | December 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news!

This was actually a photo from Obama's diversity training class. To graduate from Obama diversity training, you have to punch a hole in the Hillary cutout's face & then spit on her.

Obamisogynist!

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Yep..just like NoBama promised and many expected...

Change has come to Washington. Frat boys, gropers, infantile minds posing as speech writers.

Change we can believe in?

I dont think so. Our days are certainly numbered for sure with this new generation coming in to office and posing as if they had the ability to lead.

Posted by: dcwca | December 5, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Please join the fight against cardboard cruelty:

Send donations to

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Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, we have a war on two fronts and this is what people are concerned about?

Unreal.

Wake up call - this guy is a speech writer, not a policy writer.
He was at a party, drinking beer, smoking pot, and bad mouthing his country with this liberal metrosexual pals - and they took a funny photo - that's it. You've all done it.

If this is not true then this is obviously another part of the "broad right wing conspiracy" to take down the Clintons.

You decide.

Posted by: MRidgeway1 | December 5, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I think this meets the standard of what the left would call a “Hate Crime”. I hate to say it but I guess “Progressives” aren’t so progressive after all.

Posted by: smichperal | December 5, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

This Obama guy really hates women.

FACT: During the campaign, he accused Hillary of getting cranky every few weeks, called a female reporter "sweetheart", & then he called Sarah Palin a pig. If that's not a misogynist, I don't know what is.

Now this?
Obamisogynist really needs some diversity training.

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

>> My hope is he won't be sworn in. It is not too late.

Posted by: TALVES | December 5, 2008 5:05 >>

Well, at least you've got hope!

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

This Obama guy really hates women.

FACT: During the campaign, he accused Hillary of getting cranky every few weeks, called a female reporter "sweetheart", & then he called Sarah Palin a pig. If that's not a misogynist, I don't know what is.

Now this?
Obamisogynist & his goon squad need some diversity training.

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone forget that Senator Clinton is both a U.S. Senator and is the wife of former U.S. President Clinton? If someone insulted my wife in that manner, I would kick their ass.

Posted by: billslater | December 5, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Two Points: That the WaPo thinks this is newsworthy shows how little they understand about competing with the blogosphere as opposed to remaining a real news outlet.
Yes he should resign. This is no political correctness. This is the usual "it's OK to make fun of women" in the good-ol-boy network Obama once seemed to want to end. It will shade in all speehes he wites about women's rights and/or the incoming Secretary of State. He's supposed to be an adult in an adult world, not a farternity-level scamp posting such drivel.
A step back for the Obama team in keeping him around.

Posted by: Mikey_Editor | December 5, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

blpross,

Keep insulting people, I hope you have fun. Saying shut up wasn't directed at anyone, I was saying you should be more concerned about REAL news stories, not stupid 27 year olds being stupid 27 year olds, doing mildly offensive things. I hope your blind loyalty to the republican party pays off some day, maybe to the effect of a $10 trillion deficit and a financial crisis (Yes Frank and Dodd are to blame to). Please look beyond parties, sex and race. Look forward to meeting you, I'll be the one with no teeth with the cop next to me I guess. thanks for the appropriate language, and the fact that all you do is insult anonymously on this website.

Posted by: Newser01 | December 5, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

These are typical Obamabots. This is the type of abuse Hillary Clinton and her supporters have taken this entire campaign season. We keep hoping to see any type of response from Obama but all we get is a brush off of a shoulder or a finger upside the nose. This man is a sexist pig just like he kool aid drinking supporters. My hope is he won't be sworn in. It is not too late.

Posted by: TALVES | December 5, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's how we'll punish this awful, awful man for what he did to Hillary's cut-out.

We'll make a naked cut-out of him. Then everyone here who's so mad will get a chance to give it a knee to the groin. That'll teach him. He won't be able to sit down for days. It might even end any prospects of fatherhood.

His cut-out deserves this horrible punishment for what he did to Hillary's cut-out!

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Juvenile and immature. Glad Obama has picked seasoned, experienced members to his cabinet. Hope this nonsense ended at this party but knowing Wash DC, I doubt it.

Posted by: ca67klein | December 5, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Now Carolinagirl2 is repeating herself. Whatsa matter toots, run out of ideas and witty retorts? The perfect Dumbocrat.

Posted by: LADoc | December 5, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Cut out Cut-Out Cruelty"

This is an example of carolinagirl2's sense of humor. Pathetic.

With that personality, she is going to be very lonely in life. Guys will tolerate lots of things from women, but a girl with a lame sense of humor is a deal-breaker.

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"You're right! That's why I've repented. Please send a donation to "Cut out Cut-Out Cruelty" ASAP. We have to defeat this horror of horrors now before more innocent cardboad is molested!!"

Ahh, NOW Carolinagirl2 sounds like the typical liberal. Even when she's trying to be sarcastic, she highlights her ilks true, hypocritical colors. Silly little girley.

Posted by: LADoc | December 5, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

THAT IS NOT FUNNY.

You're right! That's why I've repented. Please send a donation to "Cut out Cut-Out Cruelty" ASAP. We have to defeat this horror of horrors now before more innocent cardboad is molested!!

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin could make these two punks cry without laying a manicured finger on them.

Posted by: rdklingus | December 5, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

blpross, I've repented! You've made me see the error of my ways!! That's why I'm joining the fight against cardboard cruelty.

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Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Carolinagirl2: "I did it as a fun gesture of bawdy affection...." See. You are an underdeveloped moron. I don't care what your intention was. THAT IS NOT FUNNY. I DON'T CARE IF YOU DID IT IN A CLOSET ALONE, although I'm inclined to believe that's where most of your "bawdy affection" takes place.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Having been married to a groper for the past 30 years, I'd think she's rather used to it. Then again, maybe he reminds her of her departed paramour Vince Foster. Either way, I don't think she minds.

Posted by: strider3019 | December 5, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Groping a cutout of Michelle Obama = Racism & a hate crime & a veiled threat against the 1st lady. Probably an endorsement of slavemasters assaulting black women in the 1800s.

Groping a cutout of Hillary = All in good fun.

The PC crowd is so hypocritical & predictable.

No double standards. The drunken frat boy has to go!

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Awesome! I love reading how the 2-faced, "Victimcrat" hypocrites on this blog are trying to downplay this photo. These are the same hysterical, spoiled, petty crybabies who complained about how they were being victimized and that the sky is falling over every little percieved and "offensive" slight done by Republicans. Now listening to these hormonal fools defend the same behavior from their side is hypocritical at best, and very entertaining. This will be an exciting 4 years, full of change. Then change again. Then backpedaling. Then rationalization. Then cries of victimizationn. Then more backpedaling. All the while, with a whole lot of nannying and self-righteous PC oppression along the way. I look forward to enjoying the spectacle of the classless, hormonal bimbo mothers running things.

Posted by: LADoc | December 5, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

This is so Inside Beltway! USG today announced 53 thousand US jobs lost in November, worst month since 1974. We all have real problems...let's focus on them

Posted by: realworldguy | December 5, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

>>Carolinagirl12: You hypocrite. You've never helped a real child in your life>>

Where did I claim that I had helped a child, or a Muslim, or Oprah? Before now, I've never found a worthwhile cause. But you've made me see the light. I must join "Stop Cruelty to Cut-Outs" Right Now. The need is urgent.

All over the world, frat boys are putting their grubby little paws all over cut-outs of Pamela Anderson and Britney Spears. This must stop now! Oh, the horror!!

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Carolinagirl2: By the way....since it will take you a minute to think, think about this.....I don't care if you repent or stick your head in the toilet....

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's another fine example of Left Wing Radical reporting. (Al Kamen)

The "news" is that something is amiss with OBAMA staff. Man in photo groping Hillary.

That's the story.

But Al Kamen & Co must insert a negative about a Republican to offset the impact.

During Clinton-Monica the Post and other media reported earlier trumped-up President sex scandals for Clinton's benefit.

"They all do it!" (so it ain't so bad)

When was the last time when a Republican got in trouble, the media listed examples of Democrats all doing it?

Never !

Posted by: chazz60 | December 5, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

It must be nice to have a government job. If I did that with a coworker I'd be fired for sure. The rules are different in DC. Do you think these guys go through the endless hours of Sexual Harassment Training most people go through in corporate America?

Posted by: verysmallrocks | December 5, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"It's only a cardboard cut-out." Come on. Does anyone actually believe this guy would still have a job if the cut-out had been of Michelle and not Hillary?

What he did was offensive. It was meant to be offensive. It's only funny or trivial to people who think misogyny is okay as long as it's directed against someone they don't care about.

Posted by: cin17 | December 5, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

You tell John: you can caress my breast or take a dump in my face. They're both the same.

You go, girl!!!

I did the same thing to Barack's cut-out that those boys are doing to Hillary's. I did it as a fun gesture of bawdy affection; I believe that's what those guys meant, too. That's why I think it's funny.

But even if they did do something I think is crude and nasty to Hillary, I wouldn't get worked up about it since it's a cut-out.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Awesome! I love reading how the 2-faced, "Victimcrat" hypocrites on this blog are trying to downplay this photo. These are the same hysterical, spoiled, petty crybabies who complained about how they were being victimized and that the sky is falling over every little percieved and "offensive" slight done by Republicans. Now listening to these hormonal fools defend the same behavior from their side is hypocritical at best, and very entertaining. This will be an exciting 4 years, full of change. Then change again. Then backpedaling. Then rationalization. Then cries of victimizationn. Then more backpedaling. All the while, with a whole lot of nannying and self-righteous PC oppression along the way. I look forward to enjoying the spectacle of the classless, hormonal bimbo mothers running things.

Posted by: LADoc | December 5, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Carolinagirl12: You hypocrite. You've never helped a real child in your life. You've never been near a real victim in your life. Kids are risking their lives so you can spout your silly sh.t opinions and sound so above it. Who have you ever helped? Send a dollar to Oprah? Hug a muslim? I will repeat. You...you...as a person, regardless of what is happening globally, are repulsive. Stay away from children. You...you personally....haven't the depth of understanding to deal with anyone at a personal level. Go over to Rosie's blog where the other little girls chat.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Dear Newser01: Shut up? Did you tell someone to shut up you little dim witted liberal t.rd? You gotta love anonymity. You wouldn't have a tooth in your face if you said that to somebody you little coward. Do you have the courage of your convictions moron? I guess you'd run to the police and never once see the irony. Sorry officer, I just sorta responded to that d.ck like the boy that I am.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

>>Carolinagirl12: You are repulsive. I hope you have nothing to do with children. I hope you are not a parent. The fact that you see nothing wrong with this kind of behavior indicates that you have the personality development of a five year old. I bet you still laugh at fart jokes. Thanks for your profile. BIMBO.>>

You're right. I shall repent. I'm going to join that "Stop Cut-Out Cruelty Now!" This is such a worthwhile cause. People are dying, losing their jobs and homes. Children are being abused. But never mind that! I must end the defilement of cardboard cut-outs NOW, lest the world come to an end!!!

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

>>Can we now take photos of ourselves defecating on Michelle Obama cutouts>>

Rielle do you equate having your breast caressed with having someone take a dump on you?

Now we know who needs some counseling!

---

what's the difference? it's not really them & it's both sexual assault in real life.

I guess PC for thee, but not for me!!

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

carolinagirl2:
>>If he was groping Hillary or abusing any living person, then I'd agree but this is a cardboard cut-out. What next?

When the cut-out becomes ratty and beat up, will anyone be fired for throwing it in the trash? Or must it be buried and given a memorial service?

Acting as if a cut-out and a person are one and the same is stupid in the extreme.

You must be the girl from south carolina that was in the beauty pageant. tell me did you get your American education in South Afica or Iraq? Are you really that stupid to think that this is about a Cut-Out?

It couldn't possible be that this moron is so morally corrupt that he took an oportunity to publicly debase a woman.

It is what the cut-out represents and his actions towards it that makes this whole thing reprehensible.

Posted by: liebermojo | December 5, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

wait a moment...
Forget the guy from "Swingers" for a second..

Isn't the cat on the right the bad actor from season 4 of "The Apprentice", in the Microsoft Ad?!??!

"I need that, like, 5 minutes ago."

Posted by: jeffbuckleylives | December 5, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

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Yes, but that's not the point. Michelle offers this service for a small fee, and 5% of the net goes to charity.
See www.obamaglamma.com

Posted by: JerryFla | December 5, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

>>"There are probably some people who are voting for me because I'm black>>

And you think this quotes matches what you posted? Now I know you're retarded!!

Go back to making babies with married men with cancer-ridden wives. Then you can give the rest of us lessons in ethics.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

>>Can we now take photos of ourselves defecating on Michelle Obama cutouts>>

Rielle do you equate having your breast caressed with having someone take a dump on you?

Now we know who needs some counseling!

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of the sexism and hypocrisy that has regularly flowed from Camp Obama. Thank you Washington Post for publishing this photo. It's about time the media covered the blatant sexism and misogyny coming from Obama, his surrogates and his supporters. The public needs to know what kind of people will be running things for the next four years. Instead of bemoaning the publication of this photo, people should be calling on Obama to demand decency and to set things right.

Posted by: cin17 | December 5, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

>>Barack Obama said himself that he would get many votes BECAUSE of his race several times, which is what Ferraro meant.>>

Obama never said that. NEVER. And I don't object to what Ferraro said; she's entitled to her opinion but it was in no way "innocent."

---

Caught carolinagirl2 in yet another lie.

"There are probably some people who are voting for me because I'm black" - Barack Obama
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/22/race.politics/index.html

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness this guy was not a Republican ! Congress would have acted to allow his hanging to be televised live.

Posted by: txbiker | December 5, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Who cares. People have lives. It wasn't the real Hillary. Fake outrage.

I'm personally outraged she's SOS when Richardson was clearly more qualified.

Posted by: anarcho-liberal-tarian | December 5, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

>>Barack Obama said himself that he would get many votes BECAUSE of his race several times, which is what Ferraro meant.>>

Obama never said that. NEVER. And I don't object to what Ferraro said; she's entitled to her opinion but it was in no way "innocent."

And since when are you so outraged by "inappropriateness" having had a baby with a married man whose wife is battling cancer????

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Carolinagirl12: You are repulsive. I hope you have nothing to do with children. I hope you are not a parent. The fact that you see nothing wrong with this kind of behavior indicates that you have the personality development of a five year old. I bet you still laugh at fart jokes. Thanks for your profile. BIMBO.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Can we now take photos of ourselves defecating on Michelle Obama cutouts? It's not really her. Hey, that's really funny.

Not really.

See what I mean? This scumbag has got to go. No double standards.

The crime is not groping the cutout. The crime is not taking the photo.

The crime IS putting it on your facebook for the whole world to see.

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Has no one else been pictured in a photo doing something they might regret seconds later? And as for the fact that he posted the picture, the guy has more sense than that, it was probably one of his friends.
Yes he made a bad judgment call, should he be fired? no.
As for the Michelle Obama posts, where the hell does that comparison come from? You are not morally or ethically superior just because you are a republican. Or for that matter a democrat. So just shut up, and start paying attention to what really matters, like who Obama nominates (not cardboard cut outs of nominees) and saving the jobs of the auto industry

Posted by: Newser01 | December 5, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

If he was groping Hillary or abusing any living person, then I'd agree but this is a cardboard cut-out. What next?

When the cut-out becomes ratty and beat up, will anyone be fired for throwing it in the trash? Or must it be buried and given a memorial service?

Acting as if a cut-out and a person are one and the same is stupid in the extreme.

FAKE OUTRAGE. Just another way to trash Obama.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh my god, Carolinagirl2 I have never read anything so funny as;

"This is all fake outrage. Why? Because 90% of those who are so outraged are ranting against Obama. As if an employer is responsible for what his/her employees during his private time. If this guy gets a girl pregnant, I guess Obama should pay the child support.

Fake outrage. Manufactured controversy."

Of course Obama isn't going to pay the child support if his employee makes such a mistake. But you know he will be happy to pay for the abortion! Wouldn't want to burden the poor lad afterall.

Posted by: Boiler1 | December 5, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

That's the reason Progressives have been blacklisted from high-level appointments and Monica's friend and his wife are back at the store. It's that questionaire and bad behavior on the net.

Posted by: steveconn1 | December 5, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

carolinagirl2 is a complete hypocrite. first, she's says this is too PC & no big deal. Then she writes:

"You mean Ferraro's *innocent* comment that Obama is only where he is because he's black? That *innocent* comment?
Posted by: carolinagirl2"

The epitome of PC (besides misquoting Ferraro).

Barack Obama said himself that he would get many votes BECAUSE of his race several times, which is what Ferraro meant.

What a hypocritical skunk.

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Dear Moralwrong: what's ruined this country are enablers like you thinking anything goes. Liberals have ruined the justice system, education, insurance laws and everything else that used to work here. They have raised victimization to an art form and then, when one of their own shows his cards it's always ok. Well....OJ got his today....and you'll get yours tomorrow you little bumbledit loopy liberal. This behavior is never funny. Stay away from my kids. IT'S NEVER FUNNY.
AL FRANKEN ISN'T FUNNY.
And I am serious when I say that if you were my neighbor you'd be looking for a new place to live. PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF FILTH ARE NEVER OK. WHOOPY GOLDBERG ISN'T OK. ROSIE ODONNEL ISN'T OK. HOLLYWOOD ISN'T OK.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Their boss, BHO, has political alliances with terrorists, racists, and communists so I don't see anything surprising in this photo.

Posted by: roberth | December 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

@ carolinagirl

Simply put, there are some occupations and positions of authority whose gravitas is such that the incumbent is NEVER (how I wish this site supported html code) "off duty." The fact that you don't comprehend this idea only demonstrates that you have never been in one of these positions.

Long story short, for everyone in this thread who has been defending this juvenile deliquent; I suggest you drop by your Director of Human Resources on Monday morning and ask, "There maybe some pictures on the web of me pretending to grope some woman I don't know, will that cause a problem?" See how your DHR reacts.

Posted by: DRMV | December 5, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

>>I can think of a lot of people that have been sued for less than this. Lawyers (Obama and Clinton are both lawyers right) are quick to sue when this type of activity happens in a private workplace. >>

People have been sued for groping cardboard? Man, I need to stay away from that box factory or I'll be in big trouble!

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, but to the people who say that photo is "funny," would you please explain why you find it funny? It seems to be fashionable now to equate funny with mockery.

Posted by: nonpartisan08 | December 5, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

This Obama guy really hates women. FACT: During the campaign, he accused Hillary of getting cranky every few weeks, called a female reporter "sweetheart", & then he called Sarah Palin a pig. If that's not a misogynist, I don't know what is.

What's next? Slapping women around?

Can men now take photos molesting Michelle Obama cutouts?

Where's is the Natl Organization for Women on this? Did they ever give a damn about women's rights or were they just about personal political power

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

>>- Remember when they accused Geraldine Ferraro of racism for her innocent comments? >>

You mean Ferraro's *innocent* comment that Obama is only where he is because he's black? That *innocent* comment?

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

He's a Democrat. Democrats are allowed to do stupid things that get others fired or sent to training classes.

I can think of a lot of people that have been sued for less than this. Lawyers (Obama and Clinton are both lawyers right) are quick to sue when this type of activity happens in a private workplace.

Posted by: dgz78 | December 5, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

This is all fake outrage. Why? Because 90% of those who are so outraged are ranting against Obama. As if an employer is responsible for what his/her employees during his private time. If this guy gets a girl pregnant, I guess Obama should pay the child support.

Fake outrage. Manufactured controversy.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

you are all a bunch of self righteous cannibals. you would eat someone for anything that might make you feel like a moral autority. I am ashamed that so many people are can be this uptight. this isnt sexist. I have had enough of the finger pointing public, the PC police. You have ruined this nation. Any issue comes up and you want to nail whomever to the cross. Get a life...

Posted by: moralwrong | December 5, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Libbies started the PC movement & took it to new heights during this last election.

- Remember when Palin calling Obama "community organizer" was a code word for "scary black man"?
- Remember when they accused Bill Clinton of racism for his innocent comments?
- Remember when they accused Geraldine Ferraro of racism for her innocent comments?

No double standards.
You reap what you sow, libbies.
Hey Hey! Ho Ho! Misogynist frat boy has to go!
Hey Hey! Ho Ho! Misogynist frat boy has to go!
Hey Hey! Ho Ho! Misogynist frat boy has to go!

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

He looks like your typical drunk moron @ a frat party...this moron is what writes the next president's speeches?? OMG help this country...if it were a black woman, he'd already be toast...

Posted by: allanrobertmiller | December 5, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Bill as to be releived now she has a play toy just like daddy does.

Posted by: pomoceva | December 5, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

>>The simple fact is that this kind of behavior by any normal individual in any normal professional setting would result in the perp being assigned to "sensitivity" training classes at the very least>>

Since when is a house party a "professional setting"?

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

i wonder if this had been McCains camp and a cutout of MIchelle how loud the Obambi's would be screaming "racism"?

Posted by: newagent99 | December 5, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

>>This Obama guy really hates women. During the campaign, he accused Hillary of getting cranky every few weeks, called a female reporter "sweetheart", & then he called Sarah Palin a pig. If that's not a misogynist, I don't know what is.

What's next? Slapping women around?>>

Well, since you're lying about all three counts, no response is necessary.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

i can't wait for the links from obama's camp aobut his own frat boy behavior.

he's addicted to his crackberry and his ciggies.. he's got another addiction he's hiding?

Posted by: newagent99 | December 5, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

you are all a bunch of self righteous cannibals. you would eat someone for anything that might make you feel like a moral autority. I am ashamed that so many people are can be this uptight. this isnt sexist. I have had enough of the finger pointing public, the PC police. You have ruined this nation. Any issue comes up and you want to nail whomever to the cross. Get a life...

Posted by: moralwrong | December 5, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

More liberal filth from liberal hypocrites. How about a picture of a 27 year old teacher with a cut out of one of his student? It's ok. It's only a piece of card board. I'll tell you what you morons, if it were a card board cut out of my wife, you'd be looking for a doctor right now. A..h.les!I'm sure Bull Clinton thinks it ok, after all, he was a serial rapist.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse


This Obama guy really hates women. During the campaign, he accused Hillary of getting cranky every few weeks, called a female reporter "sweetheart", & then he called Sarah Palin a pig. If that's not a misogynist, I don't know what is.

What's next? Slapping women around?

Where's is the Natl Organization for Women on this? Did they ever give a damn about women's rights or were they just about personal political power?

Posted by: rielle_hunter | December 5, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

The simple fact is that this kind of behavior by any normal individual in any normal professional setting would result in the perp being assigned to "sensitivity" training classes at the very least and probably fired. Instead, the same crowd that have been ramming sensitivity down the collective throat of the nation for the past 20 years are now saying, "It's an immature joke, lighten up."
So, to this crowd I offer another joke -
If this is the kind of banality with which the juvenile populist you have elected to the Presidency surrounds himself - what does that say about you?
Oh lighten up, it's funny.

Posted by: DRMV | December 5, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

newagent, you should read my posts. I have stated that we had a party for Obama complete with a cardboard cut-out of him. We all groped and kissed the cut-out, took pictures, etc. Including me. I thought it was funny. Just like I think this is funny.

I've also met Obama. I shook his hand and took pictures with him. I would *never* come anywhere close to groping him. You see, I know the difference between a cardboard cut-out and a person.

And if you think what's happening in that picture is rape, I think you need to get out more.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

No surprise. Any Hillary supporter during the primaries knew Obama's campaign was filled with sexist young men with too much testosterone, too little brains and the emotional maturity of high school freshmen.

Obama was lucky, he may not be so lucky next time and should try to surround himself with more mature staffers.

Posted by: wp11239 | December 5, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's test the It's just a joke theory...

A Muslum walks into a bar on the Sabath and the bartender says to him " What can I get you Mr. Obama?"

Posted by: liebermojo | December 5, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

ah, actually it's pretty bad. these guys write speeches for obama and they're doing this? i mean it's a matter of class, really. don't they know how to behave? they should not be defended. nor should they be condemned forever for a tasteless, sexist, moronic "manchild" behavior. but they should go back to their frat houses and cheat off of each other's term papers.

Posted by: ampilot | December 5, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"This story reminds me of the palin effigy hanging from a chimney in san francisco being labeled harmless and humorous and the obama effigy hanging from a tree at some college being labeled racist and a hate crime. "

we all know that that obama's fans are just like bushies..
equally disgusting.

Posted by: newagent99 | December 5, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Typical Obama Dillweed. That's just great that these clowns will be running the country for the next 4 years.

Posted by: daman1 | December 5, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I bet a lot of the people here who are so angry are longtime Hillary supporters--the same people who said that Bill Clinton's Lewinsky situation had nothing to do with how he did his job and that the investigation was out of line. In that case he had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a real live woman.

Now, you're saying that this kid should be fired because he groped a cardboard cut-out of Hillary as a joke on his private time . . . despite the fact that it has nothing to do with how well he did his job? Doesn't that strike you as ironic and hypocritical.

FYI, I was one of those who thought the whole Lewinsky matter was a private matter and the whole impeachment thing was out of line. I think the same is true here. So, no. I'm not a hypocrit.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"Since when is lynching synonymous with making out? "

when is rape called making out?

oh, and when is lynching synonymous with just having a little fun in a tree


I see, sexually assaulting a cardboard figure is dandy, but oh,no,,, nothing against obama is okay.

double standard and blind obedience is noticed

Posted by: newagent99 | December 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Inappropriate? Yes. Firing offense? I don't think so.

However, this does indicate very poor judgment--this should serve as a lesson to all in the social-networking arena. Remember, anything posted online will live in infamy forever!

Posted by: pepperjade | December 5, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

This story reminds me of the palin effigy hanging from a chimney in san francisco being labeled harmless and humorous and the obama effigy hanging from a tree at some college being labeled racist and a hate crime. If you had a photo of some guy feeling up a cardboard cutout of MO he would be labled a disgusting racist, sexist pig; but since this is Hillary Clinton people are supposed to have a sense of humor? It was in poor taste and shows a lack of character.He should not be hired for a position to work for the President. But then Obama wouldn't qualify to work for himself if he were required to fill out his own questionaire.

Posted by: dardar1 | December 5, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

>>how did you feel about the cardboard handing of obama from a tree>>

Since when is lynching synonymous with making out?

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama condones smut. What a surprise. Not.

Posted by: mamalahma | December 5, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

And this is the twit that bamboozled the left with his speeches. Just out of school - still partying ala animal house style. You're in the big leagues now son - the left bought your crap - now we all have to pay for it.

Posted by: forthetruth | December 5, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Question to everyone calling for him to be fired: How long would you last at your job if your boss judged you by how you acted at a party on your own time?

Posing like that was a joke; posting the picture on his Facebook was dumb.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

so , some of you are saying it's not offensive.

how did you feel about the cardboard handing of obama from a tree?


would that guy be given your okay? "just blowing off some steam?

Posted by: newagent99 | December 5, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Why all the "if they were republican" comments? We all know that they do their groping in airport bathrooms.

Posted by: rocknrolla | December 5, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

racam is correct. He needs to be fired permanently from his job.

Obama already has a reputation for denigrating women... it appears to run thru his staff

Posted by: newagent99 | December 5, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: carolinagirl2

"Yes, if this was Michelle Obama's I'd be OK with it. Just like I was OK with all the groping of Obama's cardboard cut-out that went on at our party--including some by yours truly!!"

Well hello there, Carolina (if that is your real name).

Posted by: MyNonthrowingHand | December 5, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

According to JLee5, " this photo is a perfect example of why older, wiser folks will always run the show. You haven't quite matured enough to handle the responsibility."

I think what you meant to say was, "GET OFF MY LAWN!!"

Posted by: MrInternational | December 5, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how far the bar has fallen. This type of behavior is not only tolerated by the Democrats but is defended. There used to be a time when one was actually held accountable. This is not a man but a boy. A real man having discovered the magnitude of a mistake like this would resign immediately. But, he had been drinking and therefore, could not be responsible. The bar in which we hold the new leaders of this country has fallen to the floor.

Posted by: Honor2 | December 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

This is one liberal who believes this man child should be dismissed summarily.

Posted by: mmeyerdc | December 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

>>And for all of those under-30 supporters of Obama that dream of change you can believe in, this photo is a perfect example of why older, wiser folks will always run the show. You haven't quite matured enough to handle the responsibility>>

And we know that older people never do stuff like this right? No. 50 year-old men just grope and sexual harrass real live women instead of cardboard cut-outs.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

>>As a female, I am SO sick and tired of these type of actions going on against females and people rationalizing and justifying those actions. >>

I don't see any action against a female; I see action against a cardboard cut-out of a female. Next, you'll be saying that it's disrespectful of a man to get undressed if there's a cut-out of a woman in the room.

IT'S A CUT-OUT!!

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, if this was Michelle Obama's I'd be OK with it. Just like I was OK with all the groping of Obama's cardboard cut-out that went on at our party--including some by yours truly!!

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

sorry, meant to say Hillary would NOT care about this one bit.
Posted by: sgslavens
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Glad you know what Hillary would care about. As a female, I am SO sick and tired of these type of actions going on against females and people rationalizing and justifying those actions. No wonder children cheat in school and steal from stores with this type of attitude. Let's respect someone's sex as much as we are to respect their RACE.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

Posted by: tlintx | December 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The act is in poor taste but I say let the guy blow off some steam in peace for the few weeks he has between the two-year campaign and his soon to be 24/7 job. Is this honestly news; I’d rather read about why Obama wants to make someone who doesn’t believe in free trade the new USTR or appointing radicalto be Sec of the Interior. Nonetheless, I have no sympathy for him; if you want to play in the big leagues you should always have your game face on.

Posted by: lanierheights | December 5, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

More of Obama's "change you can believe in" which is basically SNAFU.

Posted by: schratboy | December 5, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Nothing unusual or evil here, just a 27 year old American male acting the part to perfection. However, as a 47 year old American male, I don't think this boy should be given any more responsibility than what he has now, which is stringing together sweet sounding platitudes geared towards young crowds of adoring fans - at least not until he has lived a bit longer, and fully understands that he does indeed have an obligation, as a representative of the POTUS, to hold himself to a higher standard than some average frat boy.

And for all of those under-30 supporters of Obama that dream of change you can believe in, this photo is a perfect example of why older, wiser folks will always run the show. You haven't quite matured enough to handle the responsibility.

Posted by: JLee5 | December 5, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I think we need a Kathleen Willey joke here to lighten the mood! :-)

Posted by: twicetheprice | December 5, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

GoodOleBill, speaking of logic and common sense, how do you make the leap from publishing a prank cutout photo to publishing info on how we know terrorists communicate with each other?

As Spock might say, "your statement is illogical." Sorry, but I'm with gator-ron on this one. Some articles aren't worth the paper they're printed on. This is a classic example.

Now, if Jon Favreau had been in a picture with a Hillary cutout holding a rifle to her head or sticking a penis in her mouth, that's over the top and would have justified legitimate concerns about his psychology, maturity and fitness of holding such an important office as official speechwriter for President Obama.

For those of you who are morally outraged by this, all I can say is I'm glad I don't know you personally. My life is hard enough without being surrounded by humorless morons waiting for a reason to pounce in fury on the most inane crap.

Jesus, people, get lives, will ya?

Posted by: TheMadKing | December 5, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how the politically correct liberals have no sense of humor until one of their own gets caught. If this was a Republican they would be screaming for sensitivity training and resignation.

Posted by: westbury64 | December 5, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

LOL ! so you're telling me that all that soaring rhetoric that bamboozled millions into worshipping at the feet of the Great Leader was actually written by some over-the-hill frat punk ?!? now THAT'S funny !

Posted by: elpolacko | December 5, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

sorry, meant to say Hillary would NOT care about this one bit.

Posted by: sgslavens | December 5, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about this at all. What I am waiting for is the "porno" film with hillary starring. We should be demanding equal time for Hillary, since Palin was trashed by the media, liberal hate bloggers and TV trash like stewart and colbert.

Posted by: Jakeson | December 5, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

C'mon people. It's amusing, not offending. Sure it's not exactly professional. But I'm sure most of us have done something equally as goofy at some point in our adult lives.

Posted by: twicetheprice | December 5, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"The only person on the face of this earth who has a right to be offened, should she choose to let this offend her, is Hillary!
The rest of us should just shut up! If we keep letting HUMOR get censored, the world will forget how to laugh! Posted by: ItIsWhatItIs |"

This is EXACTLY Correct. And I think that Hillary would look at that photo and laugh her booty off. I should note that I am NOT a Hillary supporter, but you have to admit she's 'got a pair', and would care about this thing one bit.

After having a good laugh, though, she would be forced by her party and the female lobby to issue a statement about how she is 'disappointed and dismayed, but she is choosing to move on'....

Posted by: sgslavens | December 5, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"I don't really believe anyone here is outraged by this picture. Since when are cardboard cut-outs sacred?"

So if this had been a Michelle Obama cutout it would be ok?

Posted by: billriordan | December 5, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Can you say beer goggles?

Posted by: MyNonthrowingHand | December 5, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

OK, we all get that it's a cardboard cutout, no harm done. Problem is, these aren't college kids at a frat party. How can this dweeb effectively oversee speech writing when he exhibits such a lack of maturity on top of the unbelievably poor judgement of actually posting the photo himself on the Internet? If this is a sign of bonhomie between the camps what's next... a photo of Maggie Williams performing a Lewinski on a cardboard cutout of Obama? Change you can believe in.

Posted by: OhYeahBabe | December 5, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse


Congragulations to the Post for that crummy 'get'. Purile old foggies going after something stupid.

You got nothing else to do? Nothing going on in the world?
If you think not, maybe look for a better class of columnists, for example. Yours are abysmal.

Posted by: whistling | December 5, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

If a Republican was doing this no one would cry bloody murder, stop trying to imagine that exaggerating the media bias. Yes there is one, but not that big. Get real. The guy is a great writer, horrible judgement call on the photo, should be a non story.

As for ron_moore1:

"Give the young guy's a break. Everyone does stupid things when they have been drinking. Other whys, why would a young good looking guy want to grope Hillbillery's deflated udders and everyone wonders, when was the last time she was groped? That guy who committed suicide was the last and look what it drove him to do, Vince Foster!"

Thats 100 times more offensive than this picture. Thats the most i've been offended in a long time.

Posted by: Newser01 | December 5, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

This guy should be fired for poor taste. I'd be okay with it if he would have groped a cardboard Palin; she's smoking hot.

Posted by: sgslavens | December 5, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

the picture certainly says a lot about the attitude toward women, and hillary in particular, among the obamaphiles. imagine if some young republicans in positions of power were feeling up an image of michelle.. there would be hell to pay. but this is just 'good-natured fun' ?? please.

Posted by: elpolacko | December 5, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Whoo-hoo! Spring Break '09! Shoot me another Jell-O shot, bro. Let's go moon some cops and urinate in public, 'cuz then I got to go write several pages of soaring rhetoric about how "we are the ones we have been waiting for".

Yet another classy dude from Obama's posse. So, this is the change we've been waiting for?

Posted by: johnws | December 5, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"simpleton1 - Your user name certainly correlates to your comments.

Posted by: janet8 | December 5, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse"

Janet8 - I can only assume that your user name correlates to the number of minutes in your life you have been happy. Or maybe it's the number of times in your life you have gotten the joke.

Seriously, this is not a big deal. I stand by my initial comments. That the only people this afternoon who seem to have a problem with it are the usual rightwing nutjobs who despise all things Obama, I feel even better about my opinion.

If you have an intelligent counterpoint to offer, then by all means do so. Otherwise please cry yourself to sleep or do whatever you plan to do in protest of this horrible groping of a piece of inanimate cardboard. Then you can wonder why nobody takes you seriously. Oh the humanity!

Posted by: simpleton1 | December 5, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

This story is so lame I can hardly believe it was printed. Who hasn't at one point or another taken a joking photo with a celebrity cutout? Circuses and fairs make bundles off it!

If this article passes as either relevant journalism or a serious political offense with most Americans, this country is in very sad shape. Whatever happened to just taking a joke?


Posted by: TheMadKing | December 5, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Check this our madam secretary, I learned this move from Bill.

Posted by: MyNonthrowingHand | December 5, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Laughing at the comments about how people say it was just a joke, get over it, etc. Wonder what these same people would say if Rove or Rush did the same thing to a Hillary cutout. They would cry bloody murder!

Obama spit in Hillary's face during the primaries and he continues to do so even today through his speechwriter.

Oh wait! Obama doesn't have a speechwriter. He is soooooo smart that he writes all his speeches himself. LOL

Posted by: Goldie4 | December 5, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding? they are having fun with a paper cut out. Is there a threat to national security here. This is a funny picture, if you don't see that you need to seriously lighten up.

Posted by: rocknrolla | December 5, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Now we know the cost to be included in a team of rivals.

Posted by: MyNonthrowingHand | December 5, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

victor_medeiros, consider the stone cast.

Posted by: liebermojo | December 5, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

re: steveinarlingtonVA

ORIGINAL POST:

"Young people, women, and college-educated professionals voted for Obama.

Southerners, racists, evangelicals, bible-thumpers, and gun-nuts voted for McCain. You must be so proud of your party, Repubs. The dumbest elements of American society vote GOP."

-----------------------------------

I am an MBA in Chicago. I voted for McCain. I recommend you to stop stereotyping and making vast generalizations - it makes you look like one of the "dumbest elements of American society".

The picture is funny...however, I sure wouldn't post that on Facebook if I were the head speechwriter to the next POTUS....

Now, back to me hoping for...ummmm....change? still not sure what that means...

Posted by: ryan643 | December 5, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

FYI, I'm not a liberal nor an Obama supporter. Clearly a lot of people on here are blindly guided by random assumptions. Gotta love assumptions!

Also, I would say (and have said) the same thing about a Bush staffer who made a bad decision both in and outside of the office, and while I really think that Bush was a bad president (or really a non-existent president) I think his ability to laugh at himself and be relaxed is something that we need more of in American politics.

I just happen to think that we should not be quite as concerned about what people are doing in their non-professional (here, unprofessional) lives and more concerned with what they do while they are actually working for this country and for American businesses.

Posted by: ldia97790108 | December 5, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Can I believe what I'm reading?

gator-ron wrote:
"The WaPo publishing this picture offers nothing to the public that is enlightening. Just because they have the picture does not mean it should be published."

Would the same logic apply to situations where a newspaper has info on how the US tracks known terrorists by cell phone and satellite phone info? Just because a media outlet knows what counter-terror officials are doing to track thugs about to attack Mumbai should they go ahead and publish the info or, instead, use a little common sense?

Posted by: GoodOleBill | December 5, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Extending the hand of friendship now that the election is behind us.

Posted by: MyNonthrowingHand | December 5, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

xfactor, he doesn't need an excuse. He was groping a cardboard cut-out for goodness sake!

Give it a rest and go get laid. It might relieve your jealousy that noone is fondling your picture. Geez.

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I've already heard that the cutout is lining up legal representation for a pending lawsuit. Seriously, it's a cardboard cutout! Get over it!

Posted by: PHXguy | December 5, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Give the young guy's a break. Everyone does stupid things when they have been drinking. Other whys, why would a young good looking guy want to grope Hillbillery's deflated udders and everyone wonders, when was the last time she was groped? That guy who committed suicide was the last and look what it drove him to do, Vince Foster!

Posted by: ron_moore1 | December 5, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

One more thing...27 y/o is not the same as 21 or 22...so him being in his late 20's is no excuse.

Posted by: xfactor211 | December 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Its heartwarming to see such a public display of support within the Democratic party.

Posted by: MyNonthrowingHand | December 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I am all for fun, but this was over the line. And not even funny.

Posted by: xfactor211 | December 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see someone in Obama's camp has a grip on the issues.

Posted by: MyNonthrowingHand | December 5, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Just beautiful. I love it. What an immature punk. If a Republican would've been caught doing this the mainstream media would've nailed him. You demoRATS are the biggest hypocrites alive. Obambi's 27 year old boy is actually writing his speeches? This guy's a baby, but you gotta hand it to him he can pile on the BS in his speeches. The most words I ever heard without saying a think. Makes the Seinfeld show seem real.

Posted by: rcasanova145 | December 5, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the boys on the hill have their hands full with this one.

Posted by: MyNonthrowingHand | December 5, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't really believe anyone here is outraged by this picture. Since when are cardboard cut-outs sacred?

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh please. The only person on the face of this earth who has a right to be offened, should she choose to let this offend her, is Hillary!

The rest of us should just shut up! If we keep letting HUMOR get censored, the world will forget how to laugh!

And, I voted for McCain!!!!

Posted by: ItIsWhatItIs | December 5, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Well said "Bummer64"!

Posted by: forthetruth | December 5, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Just beautiful. I love it. What an immature punk. If a Republican would've been caught doing this the mainstream media would've nailed him. You demoRATS are the biggest hypocrites alive. Obambi's 27 year old boy is actually writing his speeches? This guy's a baby, but you gotta hand it to him he can pile on the BS in his speeches. The most words I ever heard without saying a think. Makes the Seinfeld show seem real.

Posted by: rcasanova145 | December 5, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't see sexism; I see cardboard-ism!

We had a cardboard cut-out of Obama at a party and folks were kissing and groping all over it. We even put a pink boa on it. Perhaps we should have been charged with sexual assault. Ya think?

Posted by: carolinagirl2 | December 5, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

You're at a party and you see a cardboard cut out. Could be anybody. Male, female, cartoon... The RIGHT thing to do is to grope and fondle it a bit. HELLO! It's a cut out. Not a person. It's funny. Like a joke. Duh.

Posted by: jasonjkuo | December 5, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

This is nothing but a vast right-breast conspiracy...

Posted by: williamlweaver | December 5, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

This is nothing by a vast right-breast conspiracy...

Posted by: williamlweaver | December 5, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It's so interesting to read the comments of those who want to "forget it and move on." These are the same people who'd call for a public hanging if it were someone in the Bush White House involved in such adolescent, boorish, frat-dork activity. Obama senior adviser David Axelrod said of Favreau, “Barack trusts him...And Barack doesn’t trust too many folks with that — the notion of surrendering that much authority over his own words.” Wow. Maybe Obama should spend less time in the gym and put more effort into looking for another Boswell. Favreau is another typical man-child... sadly just like his new boss. The only "change" I see is a Bush White House, that despite its many faults, had class degenerating into to a "oh-so-cooler-than-thou" Animal House where ripped abs and an ability to drain a beer keg in record time apparently translate into credibility and substance. We can only hope that these smug, elitist, 20-something children turn their baseball caps to the front, hike up their gansta-rap pants, lose the t-shirts, grow up and smell the coffee before the world lands on them...and the rest of us. You do remember "us," don't you, Jon? The American people you and your over-paid kiddie-idiot friends are supposed to be serving.

Posted by: Bummer64 | December 5, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

What? Has no one ever groped a cardboard box before? Those who have never done something stupid while drinking beer in their twenties cast the first stone!

Posted by: victor_medeiros | December 5, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

These classless goons are truly representative of Obama's staff. Clearly a bunch of immature frat boys is the "change" this nation needs.

Posted by: zippyspeed | December 5, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey BM57,
stop being so dopey!
This is not a single parties fault.

Do yourself a favor and Stop listening to your hero Rush, He only impresses people like, well you!

Posted by: corpsecorps | December 5, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh for God's sake! People need to get a life. This was innocent goofing around. How uptight is the U.S. getting? It's embarrassing.

Posted by: LindyK | December 5, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

jerks

Posted by: nsabetus | December 5, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The Audacity of Grope?

Posted by: d-thompson | December 5, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I thought she was gay

Posted by: allenantrim | December 5, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Cougar Alert! Bill, do you know where your Hillary is? She's found herself a younger man.

Posted by: rickredlum | December 5, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey caesarganz, why don't you do some research on who screwed up the economy? Who wanted more regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac? Who made it easier for non-qualified people to get home mortgages? Who were the top three to receive campaign loans from Fannie and Freddy (Mr's Frank, Obama, and Dodd)? Who got the sweetheart deal from Countrywide Mortgage (Mr. Dodd)? Yes, Bush sold out to the liberal-communist left-leaning, global-warming, tree-hugging, crowd? Please, get the facts straight dude.................

Posted by: bandmaster1957 | December 5, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

WWRD

What would Rove Do?

or better yet, what has he not done?

Posted by: corpsecorps | December 5, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

This picture is not nearly as offensive as the public bl*wjob the media has been giving Obama over the past year.

Posted by: Jasper-Ballbaggins | December 5, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

A picture tells a thousand words. I am a conservative and I am appalled by the lack of respect for the party he is actually affiated with - I can imagine the loathing he has for the conservative party. This guy might be bright, but so what - he has no discernment or integrity. Smart people are a dime a dozen, people with character and integrity are rare.

Posted by: forthetruth | December 5, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Favreau's case seems unlikely to be so dire; Clinton senior adviser Philippe Reines cast the photos as evidence of increased bonhomie between the formerly rival camps.

"Senator Clinton is pleased to learn of Jon's obvious interest in the State Department, and is currently reviewing his application," he said in an e-mail.

YEAH, I BET HE GETS A "REAL JOB" IF HE IS HIRED! "BONHOMIE" you say? Is that like "bone a homey?"

No doubt, the Arabs and Muslims will be applauding this wonderful respect for women...they are going to get along really swell with the Obamamessiah and his motley crew of worthless perverted kids....maybe this is what is meant by sitting down without any conditions.....

Send in the clowns.........

Posted by: joelevin | December 5, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

hey,

Im a republican, a conservative and I have a sense of humor....that was pretty funny.....if Clinton cant laugh at herself....she should not be SOS....Obama should not fire this guy....he was celebrating.....it was funny....besides.....this guy makes Milhouse sound good! You need him.

Posted by: Texan8 | December 5, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

To: ldia97790108 , the liberal attorney who sees NOTHING wrong with this situation. of course. You need to look at a fabulous column entitled "Parallel Lives"
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjY4MzYyNzM3ZmU5NjBkOTExMDkzOTYyYTRmMDRkNzg=
You sweetie ( you don't mind me calling you sweetie I'm sure..if you have no problem with this rube feeling Senator Clinton up)
This column addresses your patient appreciating of this schmuck....

Posted by: marknspar | December 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse


For all of you neo cons who feel that the Wash Post is utterly liberal, you must ask yourself...would Fox News or the Wash Times or the Wall St Journal or Rush Limberger or Ollie North or Bill O'Reilly ever use this item if the perpetrator were a Republican?! At least now you understand that there is a balance to be struck on liberal and conservative news...and the Post does it. BY THE WAY, what are all of the conservative commentators talking about now that we are struggling with their wars, their busted economy and a Pres who has already said goodbye to his job and his responsibilities. Whoever said we won't have Cheney or Bush to kick around anymore, look at the repossessed houses around you and the folks who are losing their jobs. We'll kick them around for a long time yet, unfortunately.

Posted by: caesarganz | December 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Rationalize it into insignificance all you want...a picture paints a thousand words.

Posted by: overthair | December 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I mean, seriously - everybody who thinks this is an important issue needs to develop a sense of humor. Given the present condition of the economy (thanks, morally upright public servants!) we're all going to need it.

Posted by: cfanthony | December 5, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Rationalize it to insignificance all you want...a picture speaks a thousand words.

Posted by: overthair | December 5, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

What a jackass. I'm not offended by the gesture, which is commonplace, but he should know better than to pose for a picture like that in the facebook age.

And it's funny to see that Obamabots are still trying to protect their man from any negative coverage, no matter how innocuous. This will get tiresome over the next four years.

Posted by: nixin | December 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey ldia97790108, would you say that about a Bush speech writer..............

Posted by: bandmaster1957 | December 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Mr. SteveinArlingtonVa, really? Well, I'm a college-educated Christian who voted for McCain/Palin, and proud of it. Oh, but wait, Obama is going to "pay for my gas and my mortgage"...........was that young, college-educated? Oh, but it was a woman.....the next 4 years are going to be a blast with this rock star............

Posted by: bandmaster1957 | December 5, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

That the hypocritical liberal left finds nothing wrong with this picture indicates the depth to which the country has sunk. These are not kids. This guy has direct access to the President. There is no sense of professional, personal, or political decorum in halls of leadership. This is the change we were looking for? Want a real joke? Here's one......we have a Democrat as president.

Posted by: blpross | December 5, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

So this is the new face of Socialism and Marxism, Repubs? Docker-wearing, clean-cut frat boys from the midwest who like to party?

If that's indeed the case, and if this the face of the New Generation of the Democratic Party, then the Republican Party is in bigger trouble than I thought.

Posted by: SteveinArlingtonVA | December 5, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Its a harmless joke. Just a couple young guys clowning around. Fortunately for him he is a Democrat and an Obama agent, so he does not have to worry about the press smearing him as a misogynistic lech. Had he been working for a GOP politicians, the NOW gang and every female and effeminate talking head would be calling for his head. Yep. Pander to the right people and all is forgiven.

Posted by: dftpub | December 5, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Hate-speech? Extreme sexism? Are you all for real?! As a woman attorney, I am am disappointed by the fact that this picture was posted, but from my perspective, the image is silly and immature, but it is hardly worth this much banter. I do not believe that we have any indication that this individual is a sexist or that his professional demeanor would be compromised because of a Facebook picture.

I cannot believe that people are wasting time being concerned about this. Who cares? Let the kid do his job; he's obviously quite intelligent and capable or he would not have been selected for the position. A few random indiscretions really don't have anything to do with his professional abilities.

Posted by: ldia97790108 | December 5, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I advise simply not commenting on this non-story. The more comments and discussion it gets, the more absolutely unnecessary attention is paid to it. This is ridiculous.

I guess since I spend time on Facebook I could be a reporter for the WP too? hmmm.

Posted by: ArmyOfTheLight | December 5, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Julie Myers, assistant secretary of homeland security got Bush, got into trouble for being at the same Halloween Party as someone in blackface. And I thnk the employee in black face got suspended. But I guess democrats can get away with stuff. Welcome to the Obamanation.

Posted by: sunnyroberto | December 5, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Edsel4u wrote
"This is a hilarious photo. If I were Hillary, I would frame this photo and put in a place where Bill will see it every day. "

You are a jerk too, like other obats.

Posted by: nsabetus | December 5, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Missing are the photos of him sniffing coke off the cut-out's breasts (Obama was always fond of the Bolivian good stuff). Oh those crazy aides and they're crazy ways of making politicians look stupid.

Posted by: bmayhewbz@hotmail.com | December 5, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

A nice shot of the first generation Socialist croud getting ready to storm the White House. I am just glad that they picked a girl (if you can call Hillary a girl) instead of a boy. Things are looking up.

Posted by: smokehouse10 | December 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

A little uncouth, but Hillary seems to be enjoying herself. No harm no foul.

Posted by: aneng | December 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Too all of you who think that we have bigger problems to face, I say shame on you. The breakdown of morality and the justification for obscenities is the source of most of our problems. Our Economic and Scocial "Problems" are symptoms of the increasing decay of Integrity and personal responsibility in this nation. Shame is dead and faith is dying. The only way any of this gets fixed starts with honest self evaluation.

Posted by: liebermojo | December 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The liberal marxist crowd will say "this is so insignificant", but would bash any Republican or conservative for this type of borish behavior that they created words to describe. I get tired of hearing "we want change", "you have got to give him a chance". Hire people with some class
Mr. O(s)bama from the "Office of the President-elect".....an example of arrograce at it's best. You liberals got what you asked for, but I guess the comedians will be put out of business now since they won't have Bush/Cheney to laugh about. God forgive us, you can't laugh about these socialist/marxist/left-leaning sell-outs.........and they want to put down Sarah Palin, the class of the Republican party

Posted by: bandmaster1957 | December 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

these sexist meniacs jerks are acting just like there bosss.. a 27 year old jerk is a seech writer for a US president? .. I guess if you look at obama's associates , this is no exception.

Posted by: nsabetus | December 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I know of One Lard Ass Aomen that I bet the Obama both fears and respects.

M-i-c-h-e-l-l-e

Posted by: robertbluejacket | December 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Young people, women, and college-educated professionals voted for Obama.

Southerners, racists, evangelicals, bible-thumpers, and gun-nuts voted for McCain. You must be so proud of your party, Repubs. The dumbest elements of American society vote GOP.

Posted by: SteveinArlingtonVA | December 5, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

It goes without saying that if this guy were a Republican, we would never hear the end of this. Would this be acceptable to all his supporters here if the cutout was of Obama's wife?

I am no fan of Hillary and believe that anything that is insulting or detrimental to her is acceptable, but Favreau writes the "thoughts" that Obama reads from the teleprompter. Yes, he should be expected to behave more appropriately

Posted by: billriordan | December 5, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

This is a hilarious photo. If I were Hillary, I would frame this photo and put in a place where Bill will see it every day.

Some people get too uptight bout the slightest bit of humor. As a Republican I'm thrilled to see a little bit of humanism in the Obama administration. Don't fire talent, it's too hard to come by in Washington. Keep the kid.

Posted by: Edsel4u | December 5, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I for one am sick of this "boys will be boys" attitude. Women have been objectified long enough! These are not boys, this is a man who has an important position as a speechwriter who sways public opinion for a Presidential candiate. The age of 27 anywhere else in the world would be considered an adult, not a "frat boy". He should be canned for someone who actually has integrity.

Posted by: forthetruth | December 5, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

No surprise here! These are the folks that voted for Obama, and the folks that propagandized for his votes as well. That is the CLASS of this administration. Phoney and crude.

So this is how his speechwriters THINK. Well, statesmanship and decorum are lost on these boobs.

I wouldn't have crap like that working for me...and if they worked for a non political business, they would all face lawsuits for sexual harassment.

What could Hillary say! She already has a husband like that, and sold out to Obamessiah to be part of his cabinet.

Welcome to a third world, classless, ignorant yehaw youth crowd of stupid twenty somethings. Enjoy your stay in Washington, lads. Don't purchase any real estate!

Posted by: joelevin | December 5, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

What do expect from our 1st hip hop President?

Respect for women?

Posted by: robertbluejacket | December 5, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Guy should have known better. Didn't. Apologized. Can we get the hell on with things that actually matter now?"

The agenda. The agenda. Let us get on with our precious agenda. Nothing matters more. Not taste, not class, not sexism, not any dam thing.

Forward ho to all the bright tomorrowsa that
Obama will bring.

Posted by: robertbluejacket | December 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for this Very Important Information. Now I will continue to watch my 401K and home values plummet, and stock up on cat food for retirement.

Please: go after the real criminals.

Posted by: MuyMal | December 5, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

What a boob!

Posted by: dwilson2 | December 5, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Tempest in a teapot. Not even news. But a funny picture, though!!

Posted by: andrewp111 | December 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This is the kind of disrespect that comes from the top. Have we forgotten the soon to be commander-in-chief making an obcene jesture towards her before, and more resently the same filty jesture towards McCain. His nasty worshippers just laugh. That's the low class of people who love him or as we can see with our own eyes, work for him too. They are a nasty bunch coming up to the the White House soon. A lot nastier even than the Clinton bunch and that's saying a lot.

Posted by: IRate | December 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh. It seems Drudge has this story posted and all the shrill, humorless, politically-correct right-wing moral police nutjobs are posting en masse.

It's a joke, Repubs. Get over it.

Posted by: SteveinArlingtonVA | December 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

This is a hilarious picture. What's wrong with it? Seriously, everyone could do with a little bit more of a sense of humor.

Also, everyone will just have to get used to the facebook age --- there are pictures of all sorts of generally responsible people doing things that look stupid. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone... why not judge people by the whole of their person, rather than just by a single picture?

Posted by: ReggiePepper | December 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

People please! I am a 58 year old guy who voted for McCain, so I have no allegiance to Clinton or Obama, but this is just a couple of young guys being young (silly/stupid/juvenile) guys. Why is this even being reported????

Posted by: Other | December 5, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Hillary is enjoying herself. Hanging with a younger, up and coming crowd. You go girl!!

Posted by: Wak-Em | December 5, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Not only will he not be suspended or fired, but he will be promoted and given a sunday morning show at NBC. So this is the people who control the puppet Obama. Interesting, its the hope and change man!!!

Posted by: ratdog66 | December 5, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Look, that guy has exercised exceedingly poor judgment. It doesn't matter whether you're a Republican, a Democrat, a Whig, or a Federalist. If you're a bonehead, you're a bonehead. That guy is one of them.

Posted by: regular_guy2003 | December 5, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

THe woman in the back does not look to be very comfortable....so is this what we have to expect from this Administration over the next 4 yrs...great we're laready the laughing stock of the world with GW having been for the last 8 yrs...I doubt this will play very well on the World stage...asshats...

SO where's the pics of MO being fondled or how about the pics of these two's mothers being fondled at some party...wake up idiots...there's a certain responsiblity that comes with that office and you'd damned well better learn it fast!!

This is not a g-d damned frat party anymore...!! WAKE UP!

Posted by: artsykr | December 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Is this news? Maybe not. But it certainly shows the level of stupidity or arrogance (pick one) of Jon Favreau.
CHARACTER COUNTS!
Notice him smiling at the camera? Is there anybody, in this day and age, who thinks a digital picture is destined only for your the photo album on your coffee table?
He's obviously from the Al Franken school of thought: spend your life acting however you want and just offer a blanket "thats not really me" statement when you want people to ignore who you really are.

Posted by: my3suns | December 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow!

The model citizens Obama surrounds himself with!

A complete lack of respect for a United States Senator, a woman, and our next Secretary of State.

Wow!

Clearly no leadership shown by Obama amonst his own staff.

And he is going to bring this type of leadership to the Presidency of the United States??

God help us!

Posted by: Jaymand | December 5, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I have no love for Hilary Clinton....probaly the only time in recent memory she been groped but behavior of these two immature jerks is typical of so-called prgressive Liberals, that is, they have no respect for women dead, alive or in their childish minds.
Hope & Change....Sheeple!

Posted by: Squirt77084 | December 5, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mambobananapatch, Al Franken thinks rape is funny and is something to joke about, so I guess maybe it depends on the person. What do you think about that?

Posted by: flynn1983 | December 5, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

WOW, WELCOME TO "CLINTON ADMINISTRATION II"

BRING ON THE OBAMA FRAT HOUSE, BABY!

Posted by: KPSMITH1 | December 5, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Seems as if Hillary's cutout was treated the same way Bill treats actual women.

Posted by: edlmann | December 5, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

OK, picture President Bush doing this, or anyone who makes his/her living in politics and tell me this doesn't matter. Where is the sense of personal responsibility for your actions?

Posted by: forthetruth | December 5, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious? I am as conservative as they come, but when did we all become so PC and forget to laugh? The world would be a much better place if we all didn't take ourselves so seriously. I'm sure no one on this site has ever done something slightly obscene or unprofessional. Let's all hop on board to attack some kid having a good time. Stupid...yes, funny...also yes.

Posted by: spdyr4 | December 5, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Is this the worst thing ever, or an example of vicious, hateful sexism? Probably not. But I think it shows clearly the caliber of people included in Obama's inner circle. The two men in the picture are childish, piggish frat boys. I for one wouldn't want to spend time, even at a party, with people who would find this kind of clowning amusing. Too bad the Executive branch can't be populated by actual adults. You know, grown-ups.

Posted by: lodine | December 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Young, immature pig. Change for America at its best.

Posted by: 79Pirates | December 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Favreau should be immediately fired for extreme vicious sexism against women.

"Extreme"? "Vicious"? What's rape, then? A little perspective, please.

Posted by: mambobananapatch | December 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The fact that this is news is just outrageous. Put yourself in the shoes of the people who are in this photo. It is obviously at some house party, and not a public venue. The fact that this photo has been posted here and on Drudge is unfortunate. Is Mr. Favreau to assume that literally everything he does is to be scrutinized by the media? This is a perfect example of the kind of ridiculous standards to which we hold our public servants accountable and one of the many reasons that so many of our nation's brightest forgo careers in government. Anyone criticizing this man had better take a look in the mirror before pointing fingers. Ever told a sexist, racist, Jewish, or Irish joke? Ever heard one and laughed? Ever done something stupid after having a few beers? Ever lost your temper? Ever said something you regretted later? I will be supremely disappointed if any more contrition is required than has already been expressed. This is pathetic.

Posted by: cohiggs | December 5, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Guy should have known better. Didn't. Apologized. Can we get the hell on with things that actually matter now?

Posted by: mambobananapatch | December 5, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

To all who think this is racist or not worth mentioning, I suggest you to try it with a cardboard cutout of Michelle. Too many of you are accustomed to getting away with disrespecting Hillary; you've no idea how despicable your behavior is no matter whom you target.

Posted by: PamelaofthePoconos | December 5, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Dean Wormer to Bluto: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

So Jonny isn't fat, but 2 out of 3 is still bad. See yya, wouldn't want to be ya.

Posted by: DavidAlmasi | December 5, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

This is sickening. This shows the true character of a person who is old enough to know better. He is a chauvinist plain and simple. He should lose his job and any respect anyone had for him. This guy is not a child, he is an adult.

Posted by: forthetruth | December 5, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

This juvenile wants a place in the State Department? The arrogance of it is surpassed only by the "Audacity of Hope" speeches that he apparently wrote or contributed to. Obama chose his speech writers very, very unwisely; the full consequence of his former relationships will come "home to roost". Despite all the whining apologists, this type of ridicule is not worthy of the American electorate. I think we deserve some dignity in our processes.....there are those, obviously who do not understand the meaning of the word.

Posted by: vltg | December 5, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Big deal. If Sen. Clinton is bothered by this then her claim that nothing former Pres. Clinton did while in AR or DC on anything more than a personal level is false. And have people making this mole-hill into a mountain heard the Clinton's when off the record? This should be shrugged off, we have bigger issues facing our Country and talented young people are hard to come by these days. No wonder print media is probably the next big business looking for a federal bailout of their corporate bond mess; this is news?

Posted by: 1976 | December 5, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

No, you are wrong Mr Hawkins. When people who act like this, in positions of "power" are given a pass it sends a powerful message. He should be fired immediately.

Posted by: gippers1 | December 5, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

NOT a Republican, NOT a Clinton Democrat...NOT A PROBLEM. Right on MSM

Posted by: JPinPA | December 5, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Does any of this suprise you? The intelligence and maturity of obama voters and staff is no more then a bunch of middle schoolers and early high schoolers. Four years of this and who cares about the economy as we will all be dead from their stupidty!

Posted by: susanroberts6 | December 5, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow, already the revolution is starting to eat their own. Hey, I dont like this guys politics but give the kid a break. Let's see, beer plus young guy equals stupid stunt. Even Obama can't change that.

Posted by: freods | December 5, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me. If this was a picture of this young man with Mrs. Obama, we would here racism charges,feminish charges amongst other things and the call for his head.

Why do we excuse it if its a white woman.

We have to have accountability. And it should be done on a equal level for all not just certain minorities.

Posted by: lago1 | December 5, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

We have bigger problems in the country right now. get a life and move on. this is why no one respects journalism anymore.

Posted by: dandhawkins | December 5, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

There's something so "Animal Farm" about all this. McCain fires a guy on his staff for linking Obama with Jeremiah Wright... and the problem with what that guy was...? He told the truth. Hum. In politics that sounds like a firing offense to me.

Now Obama ignores an idiotic and obviously offensive gesture by one if his "immensely talented" staff and we are to ignore it? After all, it was just a stupid childish faux pas right - yeah, probably so - just like the Obama-supporter's vote(s) last month...

Posted by: rockman7 | December 5, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

This comment was made by the transition team. " Favreau had "reached out to Senator Clinton to offer an apology."

It looks like Favreau has already reached out to Clinton.

Posted by: Rschrim1 | December 5, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

As a discipline of the most blessed One, The Great Obama, Mr. Jon Favreau will get his just deserts: A full pass and total forgiveness by all involved.

Posted by: robertbluejacket | December 5, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey we all know that obama supporters are crude rude and low class. They continue to show it more and more. I guess they see themselves in him.

Posted by: msealock | December 5, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Talk about "over the top"!

"Favreau should be immediately fired for extreme vicious sexism against women. This is hate speech against women. He is portraying an image of himself in sexual foreplay with the image of Clinton in a public place. He is lowering Hillary Clinton's status in a vicious, cruel, and extremely disrespectful way. Women and girls are the most oppressed group in the world. Men dominate women politically, economically, and socially."

Well, Favreau wasn't dominating Hillary, politically, economically or socially. He was dominating and abusing a cardboard cutout. The Cardboard Cutout Anti-defamation League and the National Association for the Advancement of Cardboard Cutouts might properly be outraged, but people only concerned with the treatment of REAL PEOPLE don't need to get hysterical over this.

maybe Favreau needed to post a disclaimer, to calm the jangled nerves of the perpetually-insulted political class:
"NO REAL PEOPLE were fondled in making this party photo".

Posted by: Iconoblaster | December 5, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Gee.. do you think this guy has any respect for Mrs. Clinton. In case you are wondering,the answer is no.

I wonder about the maturity of someone who acts likes this when he/she is "relaxing".
Groping and forcing beer into the mouth of someone is not exactly harmless "camraderie", sorry.

I find it so funny that these people who hold themselves out as so above the average Joe are actually so stupid, and obviously not afraid to show their true colors.

Posted by: gippers1 | December 5, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

What a scoop. Real crack reporting by gumshoe Al Kamen. Pure sensationalism and the definition of a nonstory. I would figure working for the Washington Post one would have bigger fish to fry. Apparently not, trolling Facebook is priority #1. Pass.

Posted by: Cinnamon24 | December 5, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

he's 27, the brainless gen, the moron writing the pablum about making schools better! Shame he's too late to get to one...

Posted by: ginamallet | December 5, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

There is no good reason for anyone to get their panties all twisted over this silly photo. And save the "sexist piggy" comments... some pretty bawdy antics, including outrageously insulting remarks about specific men, or men in general, go on amongst "the ladies", too, at parties lubricated by alcohol. We'll all live.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | December 5, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

simpleton1 - Your user name certainly correlates to your comments.

Posted by: janet8 | December 5, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should tear up his application! This would diminish the respect that a Secretary of State should receive from their staff and may be a hindrance to the Secretary when in negotiations with countries who treat their women as private property.

Also, anybody who's behavior is that immature and sexist, doesn't belong in the State Dept or anywhere else.

Posted by: janet8 | December 5, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow - "vicious," "sexism," "heinous," "hate speech" -- those are some pretty strong words to describe a pretty benign issue. Frankly, neither the photo nor the context in which it was taken trouble me very much.

The problem with using such over-the-top rhetoric to describe this non-event is that it nullifies any outrage when real controversies erupt. How do you condemn something actually bad when you have already used this over-the-top language to condemn a non-issue?

There's a reason we don't label every new triviality the latest Holocaust. There's a reason we don't encourage people to equate a harmless party photo with the worst excesses of human history.

Posted by: simpleton1 | December 5, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Presumably a speechwriter has some facility with words and, if truly remorseful for appearing in photos pawing a US Senator, would not say he "reached out" to her. Sounds pretty frat-boy immature to me.

Posted by: MaBelle1 | December 5, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

hey NancyKallitechnis good thing you dont have a running agenda. we get it you loooove hilary and haaaaate sexism...
Get a life.

http://nancy-kallitechnis.dailykos.com/

http://letters.salon.com/a595285e0131def59942d4ac89733b3a/author/

Posted by: moralwrong | December 5, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The WaPo publishing this picture offers nothing to the public that is enlightening. Just because they have the picture does not mean it should be published. I think the person who decided to show this should publish his or her own picture so we can see the face of someone else who behaves foolishly.

Posted by: Gator-ron | December 5, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

NancyKallitechnis, this is a two parter. "extreme vicious sexism against women" is redundant... also i dont think this is sexist, vicious or extreme. but your call for someones head is probably because you dont get enough attention. well congratulations you now have mine. maybe next time you should just have a sense of humor, because you dont sound like much fun.

Posted by: moralwrong | December 5, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Favreau should be immediately fired for extreme vicious sexism against women. This is hate speech against women. He is portraying an image of himself in sexual foreplay with the image of Clinton in a public place.

He is lowering Hillary Clinton's status in a vicious, cruel, and extremely disrespectful way. Women and girls are the most oppressed group in the world. Men dominate women politically, economically, and socially. Women have a long way to go before we achieve political equality with men. Thus, harming women politicians by lowering their status in this way is morally heinous.
http://journaloffeministinsight.blogspot.com/2008/11/women-and-girls-are-most-oppressed.html

A person who has used hate speech to lessen the status of a protected group, be it women, blacks, jews, etc. has no place working in the government.

Posted by: NancyKallitechnis | December 5, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Could you explain to me what is so wrong about this that you want him suspended? Juvenile, sure. but this is far from the just a minor mistake. barring what appears to be an ill advised hand location, this is nothing more than a minor joke, that shouldnt even be posted on this site. and to be honest I find it much more disturbing that this is what qualifies as news. I thought this was the washington post, the paper the broke watergate not US magazine. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Posted by: moralwrong | December 5, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

racam,

What was done in this case was juvenile and it was done in a moment of relaxation and camaraderie. What is the explanation for your silly post?

Posted by: Gator-ron | December 5, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

No matter how talented he is at speech writing, this was over the line. He should be immediately suspended from further work in the capacity he is in. There has to be a stopping point somewhere.

Posted by: racam | December 4, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

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