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Tuesday Likely for Senate Passage Vote

By Shailagh Murray
Senate Democratic leaders announced today a procedural vote at 5:30 p.m. Monday to clear a path to passing the economic stimulus bill. Assuming 60 senators vote yes in that vote, a final Senate vote on the package will be held at noon Tuesday, the lawmakers said.

After the Senate approves a stimulus bill, negotiations on a compromise package to send to the president will begin with the House. Although the two versions of the bill have similar price tags, both in the $820 billion range, the contents vary significantly. The Senate bill has many more tax cuts, while the House is pushing substantial spending increases in education, energy and health care programs.

Congress has set a Feb. 13 deadline for completing the bill, but lawmakers predict negotiations will spill into next weekend and possibly into the following week, when lawmakers are scheduled to take a recess.

Posted at 10:56 AM ET on Feb 7, 2009  | Category:  Capitol Briefing
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JakeD - Thanks. It's like fish in a barrel! ;)

Posted by: CommonSense1776 | February 9, 2009 5:35 PM

Go git 'em, CommonSense1776!!!

Posted by: JakeD | February 9, 2009 5:28 PM

JohnQuimby: We are in a bankrupt country because government SPENDING has consistently outstripped income. This is largely due to entitlement spending. EVERYONE, GOPs, Dems, Indy's, and ALL OTHERS must learn to live within their means. It's THAT SIMPLE!

Toritto: I'm not saying that I support what the GOP has done. However, conservative ideas are generally closer to what is needed for people to take responsibility for their OWN situations. I have no problem helping out my neighbor, but I want it to be MY CHOICE with MY RESOURCES rather than a recklessly imposed socialistic agenda which will DESTROY the GREATNESS of this country.

Rooster54: You know nothing about me. I happen to be a small business owner/operator. I'm in the trenches EVERY DAY with my employees. THEY GET PAID for EVERY hour they work WHETHER I GET PAID OR NOT! I'm the one that understands that the world doesn't OWE me a living - I HAVE TO WORK HARD FOR THAT! It is you and your ilk that believe the world OWES them based on some socialistic delusion. What is IMMORAL is for our government to borrow TRILLIONS beyond its means in order to bail people out of their poor decisions and also to pay welfare to those who won't pull their own weight.

Posted by: CommonSense1776 | February 9, 2009 4:46 PM

CommonSense1776-
Why don't you and your executive idols get off the worker's teat and earn your own living with some real work? Is it because you assumed your priveledged status was meant, by some perverted divine disorder, to entitle you to sit back and live on OPM and OPL like some hypocrite welfare queen? The world doesn't owe you a living, and the world is starting to figure that out.
Your arguments are old, worn out, and only work within the circular logic of your limited frame of reference. Your argument is foolish and immoral.

Posted by: rooster54 | February 9, 2009 11:08 AM

Heehee. Just EVERYONE is on the teat!!

Take off your ideological blinders and see the world as it really is.

When was the last time ANY Republican administration made the government SMALLER? The GOP has been out of ideas for quite a while.

Get out of the way - we will move forward with you or without you - that's what the election was for. You lost. Want some cheese with that whine?

Posted by: toritto | February 9, 2009 9:53 AM

Common Sense Said:

"You claim that the "top 10 percent didn't invest in trickle down growth as promised". That statement is simply FALSE. It is the top earners/investers in this country that have created the companies (large and small businesses alike) that employ the population."

If that were true you wouldn't be living in a bankrupt country.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | February 9, 2009 12:37 AM

Toritto - The last I heard, adults were folks who were supposed to take responsibility for themselves and their families. Why is it you expect the government to continuously hold your hand along with everyone else's?

C'mon, give it a try. Taking responsibility for your own life without relying on the government is wonderful.

Get off the government teat!

Posted by: CommonSense1776 | February 9, 2009 12:07 AM

We heard the same under Herbert Hoover.

Who do you think as bern in charge for the last 8 years? There was no money under Bush for schip but ten billion a month for a war that never should have been fought.

Your economic ppolicies have failed.

Get out of the way and give the adults a chance.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | February 8, 2009 9:00 PM

Toritto - You clearly misunderstand the issue entirely. Why is it the government's responsibility to solve the economic problem? We got "to where we are" through unreasonably high government taxation and meddling in the free market; in addition to the people's expectation that the government should give them everything. Why do you think that the U.S. Constitution originally had no income tax?

It is best for the government to largely get out of the way and let the economy thrive - which it will. I'm not saying that the government should not be involved as a SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE, but it's really getting to be the other way around. It is lunacy to think that it's wise for the government to become a larger proportion of our economy by spending another BORROWED TRILLION dollars. Why don't we all just quit working and let the government become the ENTIRE economy by continuing to borrow and then paying us all for sitting on our duffs?

The tax cuts are the only real stimulative measure that a government can take. For example - Let the Federal government halt all income taxes for 3+ months. That would leave a LOT of money in the hands of the PEOPLE (remember, "We the people...") that EARNED it. They know much better what to do with their money than politicians and bureaucrats do. The resulting economic growth would yield significantly higher revenues to the government once the taxes resume (at the same rate).

I don't have a problem with government managing the building of roads and bridges, but only about 3% ($30B) of the "stimulus" package is devoted to that. Regardless, because of project planning, etc., those dollars cannot get into the economy fast enough to be useful this year (or perhaps even next). That's TOO LONG!

You mention we should also focus on providing "assistance to state government." Why is it "stimulative" for the Federal government to give $160+ Billion to the states? It's simply robbing Peter to pay Paul. It doesn't solve ANYTHING.

There are hundreds of billions of additional dollars in the existing "stimulus" package that aren't stimulative AT ALL! It just doesn't make sense that all those other dollars should be included in such a bill. Simply put, the bill doesn't attract GOP votes because it is bloated and irresponsible.

Posted by: CommonSense1776 | February 8, 2009 8:13 PM

Heehee!

EVERY economic problem can be cured only by......tax cuts!

That's how we got to where we are.

The nation does not believe in trickle down "voodoo economics" anymore.

The stimulus / spending bill should concentrate on infrastructure spending and assistance to state government. Strip out the tas cuts. We don't beleive that they are stimulative nor have they attracted Republican votes.

To hell with them......let 'em filibuster.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | February 8, 2009 6:40 PM

THEN, later in the day;

Little Timmy Geithner comes along with ANOTHER $800 Billion Payola for his Criminal Banking Partners in Crime!

That is a COMBINED $2.3 TRILLION That is being THROWN AWAY, with the debt of $20,000 per Household dumped on Heads!

Ohhhh, but here:

Have $500 for YOU!

I should at least get a Wet Kiss;

After getting Screwed like this!

Posted by: SAINT---The | February 8, 2009 5:48 PM

JohnQuimby - Calling it socialism is not intended to be a scare tactic - it is simply naming the situation what it is. Although, it's interesting you are threatened enough by the word to bother claiming you are not scared by it.

Your desire to roll back the Bush and Reagan tax cuts shows your real ignorance of history. It is only such tax cuts (also enacted by JFK) that truly help revitalize the economy. This has been proven several times in history. It has also been PROVEN historically that raising taxes during a recession only leads to deeper recession or depression.

You claim that the "top 10 percent didn't invest in trickle down growth as promised". That statement is simply FALSE. It is the top earners/investers in this country that have created the companies (large and small businesses alike) that employ the population. Lowering taxes creates a more enticing environment for investment, which allows growth. Raising taxes, on the other hand, sucks the life out of the economy by eliminating the incentive to take financial risks to create new jobs. Is it fair or reasonable for the Federal government to take nearly HALF of the profits earned by a corporation?

You mention that "We bought the banks". Who is "we"? You can't include yourself unless you are one of the "rich" people, because they're the only ones who really pay enough taxes to matter. In fact, the bottom 50% of wage earners only pay about 3% of all Federal taxes, so they certainly won't be picking up the tab. Having said that, however, as the economy continues to tank under the Obama-Pelosi-Reid administration, the Dems will be forced to raise taxes across the board to continue supporting their ill-conceived spending habits.

As with "toritto", please read your text and compare it with historical facts before posting.

Posted by: CommonSense1776 | February 8, 2009 4:19 PM

Toritto - Please study history and think about what you've written before posting. It's not a question of whether the Dems "stimulus" plan will work. It cannot, because it doesn't effectively STIMULATE the economy - especially in the short term - which is what is needed. Instead, it is simply a conduit for the Dems to increase their power and influence, and to "buy" future votes with taxpayer dollars.

The reason that the GOP is generally unwilling to "take the bet" is because they do understand history, and have common sense. As mentioned above, the GOP sees that the bill is not stimulus, but mostly unnecessary SPENDING. The GOP knows that the Dem plan will only lead to more economic hardship and they would rather avoid repeating the New Deal debacle.

It's interesting that President Obama finally admitted (at the Dem "retreat" at the Kingsmill Resort and Spa - a wonderful taxpayer expenditure, I'm sure) that everyone knows that a stimulus bill is essentially a spending bill.

What he and the other Dems fail to realize is that NOT ALL SPENDING IS STIMULUS - which is the important and intelligent way to look at it. President Obama does not want the American people to look at it that way, because they'll see it as nothing but the scam that it is.

In President Obama's address to the Dems at the retreat, he said "We're not going to get relief by turning back to the very same policies that in eight short years doubled the national debt...". I guess he wants new, more reckless policies that will double the debt again, but in half the time!! I guess that's the "change" we are supposed to believe in.

Posted by: CommonSense1776 | February 8, 2009 4:12 PM

Toritto,

I'll go you one better:

Roll back the Bush taxcuts.
Roll back the Reagan taxcuts.

The top 10 percent didn't invest in "trickle down" growth as promised.

They invested in hedge funds. Then they sold the banks they broke back to us and took a bonus for doing it.

We bought the banks to save the people who have all the money from financial ruin. Let them pick up their share of the tab.
Call it socialism if you want - you can't scare me like that.

Rooster54 - I like your style more all the time.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | February 8, 2009 2:52 PM

Steamroller em.

If the stimulus works the GOP will look like what they are...obstructionists.

If it doesn't, the GOP will trumpet the fact that they opposed it.

The GOP is betting the stimulus will not do what Obama says it will do.

Take the bet...........

Let 'em filibuster for a month or two...then pass it.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | February 7, 2009 10:26 PM

In a way, I hope that President Obama does try to "steamroller" over the GOP. That way, only he and the rest of the dems will be to blame when this ugly "stimulus" bill makes a bad economy exponentially worse. Just like FDR's "New Deal", this deal will lengthen our economic woes, not shorten them.

However, President Obama will not do this because he does not have the backbone to stand up firmly for what he claims to believe. Instead he must try to set up the GOP as a scapegoat to blame when this idiotic plan comes crashing down around him.

If they truly thought about it, MOST people in this country would soon realize that they do not need hand-holding by, or hand-outs from our government. Private citizens cannot spend their way out of debt, and neither can the Federal government.

Tax and spending CUTS will help resolve the problem. It has worked in the past. A plan like that being proposed has never worked.


*** To "rooster54 - 07 Feb 2009 - 6:54PM"

In your socialist argument, who are "we" and "they"? It sounds like "you" are upset that "they" took a risk, invested wisely, and have earned a return on that investment. How can you possibly lay claim to their money? YOU NEITHER TOOK THE RISK NOR EARNED THE MONEY!!

Posted by: CommonSense1776 | February 7, 2009 10:18 PM

I wasn't around for that era gary4books but would like to see some senators get 'the Treatment'.

jondaman21, nonsequitor these...

Posted by: priceisright | February 7, 2009 8:22 PM

Screw "bi-partisanship".

Strip out that Repub crap and steamroller the bastards. Let em' filibuster till the cows come home. The nation will see obstructionists for what they are.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | February 7, 2009 7:41 PM

It is our money, especially the money the predatory class thinks is theirs. We did all the work. They took all the profit. We have the right to take it back. It's not "redistribution" its just delayed distribution.

JakeD, you're either a rich crook, or a common fool.

Posted by: rooster54 | February 7, 2009 6:54 PM

I doubt the NEA qualifies as "brute Military Force"!

Posted by: JakeD | February 7, 2009 5:47 PM

The Dems should just label all of the provisions in the American job stimulus bill - "Plan for World Domination by brute Military Force".


The Repugs love to waste money on pretend tough guy war games and they're not very good at reading the fine print.


I find it both amusing and sad the way GOP continues to be able to con some of the blue collar Americans (mostly in the south) who always parrot their calls for more tax cuts. Apparently they don't have an internet connection or they only listen to Druggy Rush and Faux News because if they ever read the fine print they'd notice that when the GOP talks tax cuts they're talking about tax cuts for the wealthiest 1-2% of Americans, Big Corporations and Big Oil.


They've become used to blaming others. The Repuglican leadership (Rush, Faux News etc) is very, very skilled at identifying scapegoats so that almost all of their blue collar supporters have someone else to blame for their sorry state of affairs i.e.: "liberals, tax-and-spend Democrats, hippies, communists, immigrants, gays". It's an easy way to avoid facing reality. - "Gay people drove my property values up! And Mexicans took my $50.00 per hour lettuce-picking job from me! And the Demoncrats take all my tax money and use some of it for THINGS I DON'T NEED! And the hippies made us lose Vietnam! And the Communists...well...not sure what they did...and the liberals killed my cousin's baby after I got her pregnant! And the immigrants! How dare they have the chance to earn the same quality of life and hope for their childrens' future that I have for me and my family"!


Most of the average GOPer's still haven't figured out that wealth doesn't ever trickledown to them.


It's like a shell game to the Repuglican leadership, using diversionary tactics to steer the people away from seeing the real problems. Unfortunately for them, they're starting to lose that game nowdays.


Posted by: DrainYou | February 7, 2009 5:28 PM

I couldn't agree with the previous commenter, Hillary08, more. The litany of conservative failure - both in thought and policy - especially over the last 8 years, but really since Reagan, promises a long time in the wilderness for them. Let's move our country forward with Obama.

Posted by: dudh | February 7, 2009 5:00 PM

As always, the Republicans do what they feel is good for them and only them, they hope the stimulus is not effective and the economy fails, they won't support the bill because they have no credibility left and it is their one and only hope to restore the image and position they have brought on themselves through 8 reckless years of financial mismanagement, bad mortgages, out of control wasteful spending on Haliburton and Blackwater and on and on and on. I applaud the three Republicans who worked with the Democrats to make sure the self righteous Republican party is not successful in sabotaging our economy any further, the Bush years are surely over. Shame on the Republicans for only serving themselves to our money for 8 damaging years and doing everything they can to further the complete destruction of the US economy. Long live Obama, long live the Democrats!

Posted by: Hillary08 | February 7, 2009 4:43 PM

The Republican Party has to find a way to punish someone like Arlen Specter, that votes with Democrats 99% of the time. I propose stripping him of all of his committee assignments, much the same way the Democrats did with Joe Lieberman.

List of Specters committee assignments here:http://specter.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=AboutArlenSpecter.CommitteeAssignments

Committee on Appropriations
[ appropriations.senate.gov ]
- Agriculture, Rural Development, and Related Agencies
- Defense
- Homeland Security
- Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies
- State, Foreign Operations
- Transportation, Treasury, the Judiciary, HUD & Related Agencies

Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, Ranking Member
[appropriations.senate.gov/labor.cfm]

Committee on the Judiciary, Ranking Member
[ judiciary.senate.gov ]
- Administrative Oversight and the Courts
- Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights
- Constitution, Civil Rights and Property Rights

Committee on Veterans' Affairs
[ veterans.senate.gov ]

Committee on Environment and Public Works
[epw.senate.gov]

Special Committee on Aging
[ aging.senate.gov ]

Posted by: masfino | February 7, 2009 4:14 PM

Nearly 40% of the stimulus bill is based on tax cuts. What more do Republicans want?

After all, the economic recovery under Reagan was also based on a combination of tax cuts and massive government spending on defense, the likes of which the country had never seen before. Back then the Dems had Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Tip O'Neill who helped pass Reagan's stimulus bills in a bi-partisan way - in a Democratic Congress. The Republicans either have no one left of the same stature as these Democratic stalwarts or really don't give a damn about the economy. Or both.

Posted by: jaysit | February 7, 2009 3:58 PM

Once again, the People of this Country are getting Taxation, WITHOUT Representation!

They REFUSE to listen!

Maybe, 100 Million of us, in March, Marching;

Can Re-Claim our Government!

I propose, an Ides of March;

MARCH!

Wear RED!

Posted by: SAINT---The | February 7, 2009 3:39 PM

This bill will be over a trillion dollars and I wonder why the media keeps saying 800 billion plus. Don't you keep up on the news? The good news here is that we have an election in 2010 and will vote a lot of these dems out of office and Reid will be the first to go. Obama is in trouble on this and that is why he is scrambling so hard to convince the voters that this is needed because they did not want this bill. Dems are doing the same thing that Republicans did thinking that they can do anything they want and not pay a price but the Washington crowd is missing the anger out here on Obama's cabinet picks and on this bill. You would have thought they would have learned but it seems they are power hungry and the majority has gone to their heads.

Posted by: sque1 | February 7, 2009 3:34 PM

contact the members of the U.S. Senate listed below. They include the ten most conservative Democrats in the Senate, plus the Independent, plus a Hillary Clinton's replacement who showed signs of conservatism. If you live in the states represented by these Senators, please both email them and telephone them!

HR1 is pending approval in the U.S. Senate and they will have just enough votes once Senator Kennedy returns from Florida. If any one of the people on this list votes against the bill, the American people will have more time to see what is in the $800 'stimulus' bill, and express their opinions to their Senator.

Nelson, Ben, D-Neb. (202) 224-6551 bennelson.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm
Landrieu, Mary, D-La. (202) 224-5824 landrieu.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Pryor, Mark, D-Ark. (202) 224-2353 pryor.senate.gov/contact/
McCaskill, Claire, D-Mo. (202) 224-6154 mccaskill.senate.gov/contact/
Baucus, Max, D-Mont. (202) 224-2651 baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue
Conrad, Kent, D-N.D. (202) 224-2043 conrad.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm
Lieberman, Joe, ID-Conn. (202) 224-4041 lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm?regarding=issue
Dorgan, Byron, D-N.D. (202) 224-2551 senator@dorgan.senate.gov
Carper, Thomas, D-Del. (202) 224-2441 carper.senate.gov/contact/
Webb, Jim, D-Va. (202) 224-4024 webb.senate.gov/contact/
Tester, Jon, D-Mont. (202) 224-2644 tester.senate.gov/Contact/
Gillibrand, Kirsten, D-NY (202) 224-4451

Posted by: reshas1 | February 7, 2009 3:05 PM

President Obama should just steamroller over the Republicans.

Posted by: svreader | February 7, 2009 2:42 PM

The Republican National Committee is always calling me and asking for donations. I gave them plenty, especially when Governor Sarah Palin was the VP candidate. Now they can earn some of it back, by getting some of their members to actually act as Republicans. Here is some preliminary contact information. Personally, I threatened termination of my membership and no further donations if any GOP Senator votes for this — especially with no corporate tax rate cut and tax credits going only to those who don’t pay taxes.

Republican National Committee

Office of the Chairman
Phone: 202-863-8700
Fax: 202-863-8820
Email: Chairman@gop.com

Others: Finance@gop.com; Political@gop.com; Membershipservices@gop.com

Posted by: lpeastman | February 7, 2009 1:25 PM

Reid is just fine for the work they have for him. Who did you want - LBJ?

Posted by: gary4books | February 7, 2009 12:33 PM

priceisright, what are you talking about? Your comment is a complete nonsequitor.

Posted by: jondaman21 | February 7, 2009 12:23 PM

Harry Reid needs to be removed as majority leader! The guy is weak and can not reign in his side of the congress.

Posted by: priceisright | February 7, 2009 11:30 AM

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