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President Obama, accompanied by taxpayers, makes remarks about the tax code, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington. (Gerald Herbert/Associated Press)

By Michael D. Shear
President Obama marked Tax Day 2009 with a White House event aimed at highlighting the tax breaks included in the stimulus bill and countering conservatives who launched nationwide tea parties to complain about taxes and rising government spending.

While a few hundred protestors dumped tea bags in Lafayette Square outside the White House, Obama presented nine taxpayers he said were better off financially because of his efforts.

"We have passed a broad and sweeping tax cut for 95 percent of American workers," Obama told reporters in the Old Executive Office building. "This tax cut was a core focus of my campaign, it was a core component of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, and it is the most progressive tax cut in American history. And starting April 1st,
Americans saw this tax cut in the extra money that they took home with each paycheck."

In documents released to reporters, Obama touted 10 tax cuts that Americans are receiving as part of the government's overall effort to spur growth and consumer spending. Chief among those, he said, is a tax credit appearing now in people's pay checks and a first-time homebuyers tax credit.

He called the pay check tax cut "the most progressive tax cut in American history" and said it would help create a half-million jobs.

"For too long, we've seen taxes used as a wedge to scare people into supporting policies that increased the burden on working people instead of helping them live their dreams," he said. "That has to change."

The message from conservatives was very different, attacking Obama and Democrats in Congress for spending too much and failing to cut the tax burdens enough for most people.

In a statement issued just before Obama started talking, several conservative activists said that a "soaring tax and spend burden will cripple American taxpayers, stagnate the economy for years and stifle any real long term economic growth and stability."

The statement was signed by former attorney general Edwin Meese, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and Grover Glenn Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform, among others.

"There is no justification for the countless billions that citizens will have to pony up this tax season to fund liberalism's reckless abuse of the federal treasury," the statement said. "At exactly the time when working families could use a break, the Obama regime and the
liberal Democrats in Washington and state capitals are burdening them into a future of even more onerous tax days."

At his event, Obama presented taxpayers he said exemplify the benefits of the proposals he has made.

They included Chris and Guenna Wright of Marietta, Pa., a claims examiner at an insurance company who is married to a general manager at a Pottery Barn Kids outlet. White House aides said the couple qualify for the make work pay tax credit.

He also presented Clark Harrison of Preston, Md., a first-time home buyer who received an $8,000 home-buyers tax credit, and Alan Dale Givens of Manassas, Va., who the White House said is receiving thousands of dollars in tax incentives and tax credits.

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That's my rough (unofficial) count from those reporting crowd estimates so far:

http://taxdayteaparty.com/

http://teaparties.wordpress.com/

Posted by: JakeD | April 16, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Since the thread is about Obama "countering conservatives who launched nationwide tea parties to complain about taxes and rising government spending" it is worth noting that there had to have been over 200,000 people coming out to the protests nationwide yesterday. Quite a success!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090416/ap_on_re_us/tax_day_protests

Posted by: JakeD | April 16, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Question: if less is being withheld from paychecks and the rates are not being changed, doesn't that mean that next April 15 taxpayers will have to payback the taxes that were not withheld?

Posted by: danielhancock | April 15, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

EarlC:

How was dinner?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

People keep citing statistics to prove their point about giving the top 5% of the earners in this country the big giveaway. Did you know that in a typical church that 80% of the giving is done by 20% of the givers? In fact, it is a good church in which over 10% of the members are tithers. Unfortunately, this does not mean that the top earners are actually giving the big money. Usually, the big earners just "tip" the church. I know. I was the church treaurer once upon a time.

Some food for thought: I disagree with the government giving an itemization for charitable giving to a religious organization. To me, this crosses the line between church and state. Why should the Fed take a hit just because as person wants to give to his church? This is the Fed subsidizing churches. I have no problem with the Fed and state not taxing the church. I understand this principle.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

criminey...i wish i made 50K a year.

i am part of the "new re-defined middle class"...
it's called "paycheck to paycheck poor"

i have no idea what a lump sum is anymore.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 15, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

LOL! :-D

Again;

World: Your Welcome! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | April 15, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Saint:

Why through dialogue, I believe we may be in agreement!

Wages!

That which nobody speaks of.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

mauguston- I am in the trenches!

Forget all the rhetoric the bankers throw out!

It is waaaayyy simpler than any of their conjectured crapola!

When Gas went to $4/Gallon, we all tried to Work even Harder! Then, we had to drive even more!

More of our liquidity got stolen at the Pumps! Only to NOT be re-injected back into the economy, because the Crooks collecting it used it to get even more Loans backed up by the Fed, to buy even more Oil Futures!

It BROKE US!

The Plain Simple reason there are many defaults (outside of the Idiots who bit off more Loan than they could Chew, or purposely gutted their equity in a planned Rape), is we spent our Money trying to make Money;

while everything went up but our wages!

Our wages will ONLY GO UP, when the UNWANTED, and UNNEEDED, ILLEGAL Work Force is REMOVED!

Since the Gates of Hell were opened in the Insipid Amnesty of the Eighties, the American Working Middle Class has been against the wall suffering from the ever increasing onslaught!

Barry, is about to repeat the biggest Mistake ever Made!

Posted by: SAINT---The | April 15, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

NoahNZ:

Good point.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

If I knew that amount, I wouldn't be sitting in this office. Honestly, I wouldn't limit it. I'd allow owner occ, second homes, investment properties. Get this ball of crap behind us. The sooner the better. More than anything, taxes included, housing costs are hurting our economy.

I'm solidly middle class. I make 50k per year. I paid $1900 last year in Federal taxes (just did my taxes this week). I paid $14,320 in mortgage interest last year. Get my point. Condemning taxes is sexy, but is not our biggest problem, at least in my house. We won't even talk about my wife's back surgery.

Make no mistake, it would be exceptionally expensive and costly, which is probably why nobody has proposed such a plan. But it would solve the housing crisis. May have other downstream impacts (debt as related to GDP mainly).

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

_virginian_:
"Obama's more progressive tax code is going to bleed the most productive members of this society until they're bone dry."

I see, a small percentage increase in the top tax rate (putting us back to where we were in the 90s) is going to utterly devastate the rich people.

Posted by: presto668 | April 15, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Maugustson,

Yes, they should start with DOD.

No, it is not hypocritical to use taxpayer-funded services. The people receiving SS checks paid into the system, so it would be completely unfair to insist that they don't get whatever returns they can. Even if conservatives prefer private savings, it would be ridiculous to insist that people don't use what they paid for.

Posted by: noahnz | April 15, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Saint:

I don't disagree with you. I'm not big fans either. I don't think Geitner tried to evade taxes. I think that's a cheap shot that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. I did my taxes last year and had to repay a very small amount of money. It wasn't on purpose, but then again, I'm not the Sec. of Treasury.

Again I'll state, the solution has to involve the banking industry.

In no way do I think Obama has been bought by Wall St (like you're man perhaps would be). I can tell you that the strings attached to this mortgage rescue plan really limit how we, the lender, can profit from it. Ahh, regulation. Granted, we would profit more if we could, but we NOT ABLE TO.

that's good governance, particularly in that taxes are funding this rescue plan.

Obama is not a socialist.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

maugustson:

What would THAT cost? Over $2 trillion. Could we at least limit that to owner-occupied, 1 per person? SOME kind of check on unlimited spending.

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

the story reads, "Obama touted 10 tax cuts that Americans are receiving as part of the government's overall effort to spur growth and consumer spending. Chief among those, he said, is a tax credit appearing now in people's pay checks and a first-time homebuyers tax credit.

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ummmmm.. if people need a first time homeowers tax credit.. maybe they shouldn't be buying a house just yet?

it seems to me that you might be setting someone up for failure.. and isn't this what happened to start this whole economic mess?

i know you are trying obama... bless your little heart.. but maybe you should surround yourself with people OTHER than tax evaders.. you know.. i don't think i have any faith in someone that deliberately cheats on their tax. and i sure WOULDN'T have given them a secretary position.

but maybe you don't care, huh? i mean.. you have what you wanted.,. a motorcade, air force one, people to salute you even though you never served a day in the military, and ow you have a kennedy supplied dog.

thank GOD you did't have to go into a pound to get a dog about to be euthenized... what would the neighbors have said?1?

Posted by: DriveByPoster | April 15, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This country doesn't have the stomach for the only solution to the problem, because it would cost too much, period.

I'm not an expert, I just do this crap all day, every day.

The only way to stop the bleeding in the housing industry would be do modify just about every mortgage in America by reducing principal balance (to 2% below current market value) and interest (4%) and convert all non-ARM loans to fixed rate. This does two things:

First and foremost, because people would no longer be so upside down on there homes, sales would resume.

Secondly, the interest rate reduction would lower monthly mortgage obligations to levels they probably should have been at upon qualification.

Home sales would resume, foreclosures would stop.

The problem is, that's too costly, even for me, a liberal. But, it may not be much more costly than what we've already spent.

Sure, some would be "bailed out." But have you tried refinancing or selling your home lately (assuming you're a homeowner)? You can't. So, you'd be bailed out too.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

mauguston:

"Folks like Geitner and Summers greatly understand the system. I'm not pro-Summers. He's too close to Wall St., but am I ok with him on the team as related to fixing the financial mess? Sure, but I wouldnt put him in charge."

---------------------------------

Ohhhh, Mauguston!

Now, you do know, that as a White House Staffer, it WAS Little Tax-Cheat Timmy Geithner, who set up the meetings with the Wall Street Bankers and (Not-Too) Slick Willie;

now don't you?!

Only to then be appointed eventually to Chairman of the Wall Street Fed!

While Summers at the time set up the Gimmick Loans, and worked with Slick Blocking Federal Oversight of groups like AIG playing with Hedges, Derivatives, and Credit Swaps (Of which they had $2.4 Trillion on their Books by 2008!)!

There IS Poetic Justice;

in having ALL the Culpable Clintonistas BACK to have to deal with Their Mess!

Think of it as: Returning to the CRIME!

Posted by: SAINT---The | April 15, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse


wouldn't it be great if we had people in the white house that knew what was going on?

geither is a tax evader..

and obama simply is clueless.

*sigh*

but doggone it! the 5th fleet can take on a floating inner tube off somalia and kick it's a@@!!!

Posted by: DriveByPoster | April 15, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

maugustson:
THANK YOU !!!
you stated it rather nicely......

hold the candy out, it will get snapped up...

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 15, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, cut spending NOW.

Start with DOD.

Also, all of you conservatives, if you are not telling your parents, or relatives you know, to NOT cash their Social Security Checks and not utilize Medicare supplements, you're a hypocrite. If they don't cash the checks, then our national debt doesn't grow.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

maugustson:

Foreclosures have skyrocketed and home values (at least here in California) are down 60%. How much more is needed before it qualifies as an "implosion" in your EXPERT opinion?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

LarryG62:

Ok there mr compainer, what's you're solution? Easy to complain, but I'm not hearing any solutions coming from the right.

Also, as a conservative, do you think your kids and grandkids are ENTITLED to anything?

Doesn't every generation inherit a pile of S**T?

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

What a bad joke !! The Fed tax cuts will be immediately eaten up by tax hikes from the States. And Obama knows it.

Government at all levels must drastically cut spending.....now.....period !!

Posted by: bandcyuk | April 15, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

Very simple, the solution is going to involve banks and Wall St., whether we like that or not. Again, I'm with a Mortgage Lender. If folks are going to refinance or modify their mortgage, which up to this point, early in the game, is shown promising signs, it's going to a bank that lends them the money (to lower their rate, or payment, or principal balance). The solution has to involve banks. If we allowed foreclosures to continue (and there are worthy arguments for that perhaps) home values would continue to fall unchecked and foreclosures would grow exponentially. But, so far, we are helping people who need help.

IF OBAMA WERE A SOCIALIST, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE CALLING THE GOVERNMENT DIRECTLY FOR THEIR LOANS. RATHER, OBAMA AND HIS TEAM ARE ROUTING THE SOLUTION THROUGH THE FOLKS WHO KNOW HOW TO DO THIS BUSINESS, LENDERS AND BANKS. HE'S NOT A SOCIALIST.

It's in ALL of our interests (banks, lenders, private citizens, tax payers) for the housing market to NOT implode. Trust me, that would be VERY bad. No amount of Tea would make that NOT bad.

Folks like Geitner and Summers greatly understand the system. I'm not pro-Summers. He's too close to Wall St., but am I ok with him on the team as related to fixing the financial mess? Sure, but I wouldnt put him in charge.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

LOL! :-D

PLEASE;

Oh PAHLEEZE!!!

Do NOT associate me with #43!

I am a Mitt Romney kinda Capitalist!

It can be found on Record, me, calling #43;

the Catatonic Brain-Dead Chump of a Chimp!;

Quisling;

and TRAITOR!

I am as glad as EVERYONE he is GONE!

I just really, REALLY Wish;

we had let an EXECUTIVE who not only understands Economics;

but would have worked for FREE!;

Move into that White House!-Even if it did amount to "Slumming" for him! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | April 15, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Maybe some folks saw a bit more in their paychecks from less withholding, but these clowns are destroying our children's and grand children's future.
Only dimwit greedy weak minds do mot understand that.
The empty suit a__ hole has to get up and run his mouth every time some opposition surfaces, like these protests against Washington's growing dictatorship.

By the way, Shear, nice photo on the web site this morning of Obama leading you around on a leash.

Posted by: LarryG62 | April 15, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

First, there were many more than a "few hundred" people at Lafayette Square today---in the soaking rain!

Second, I don't think I can say this enough: the top 10% of taxpayer shoulder over 70% of the federal income tax burden in this country. Half of the people in this country don't pay federal income tax at all!

Obama's more progressive tax code is going to bleed the most productive members of this society until they're bone dry.

Posted by: _virginian_ | April 15, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Then why did Obama bring so many of the housing-mess culprits into the White House with him?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 4:56 PM
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It takes a thief to catch a thief.

Posted by: hayden1 | April 15, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they were granted a "permit" downtown but then turned away like at the Treasury Building in D.C.?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 4:47 PM
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You may be right JakeD.

Posted by: hayden1 | April 15, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

mauguston- That is a result of Liquidity having been pumped into a bad system to perpetuate the problems!

What I called for-MANY Times now!;

would have cost 1/4 as much, and would have actually FIXED the Problems!

The money never should have gone to the Banks, to somehow get to the People!

It needed to go to the People! All of the ones who are hurting right now because of a FAILED Socialist scheme combined with an Insipid Ponzi-Scheme of "Flip" this Sub-Prime Mortgaged house!-Or, we'll gut the Equity and walk away!

What I want (Still!);

is $500 Billion to be made available for "Hardship" Loans for all the US Working Aged, citizens NOT on Welfare, or collecting benefits;

who NEED Liquidity;

in the Form of 50 Million $10,000 Loans!

5 Year, 5% Loans that if Defaulted on, get handed to the IRS to re-coup!

THAT, would allow us to repair our credit, save our "Secured" Possessions, and get the "Motion Lotion" we need to get our Economic Machines moving again!

Without SOCIALISTIC Over-sights and Controls!

-Your Welcome! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | April 15, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

but saint---
"owning a house" is the american dream....
bush said it many times.

now, the PROCESS in which a homeowner signs on the dotted line to "go in debt" for that american dream...
is what this is all about, no?

and it wasn't frank throwing money away....it was the institutions of lending.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 15, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

maugustson:

Then why did Obama bring so many of the housing-mess culprits into the White House with him?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Saint,
you know not what you're talking about. Sorry.

I tried to explain in a response, but WP Blog owner gobbled it up for review.

In short, because we (I'm an Analyst with a national lender) offer "those" products, and we sell them to people, .......

Build it and they will come. Offer those types of risky mortgage products and market it as a normal vanilla loan, and YOU wouldn't know the difference. Homebuyers depend on us (the lender) to make a sound underwriting decision, which implies they can afford the house.

But, acknowledging this point conflicts with your premise, so I don't expect you to, although, I'll say it again, if we lenders didn't offer those risky loans, they would not have been available to potential homeowners.

Furthermore, this doesn't have anything to do with Obama. He inherited this mess from Clinton and Bush. To say otherwise is to point out your ignorance.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

socialism is not as scary as people think.
if they are thinking... (grins))
--what they are thinking is federalism.
but calling it socialism.

be afraid of federalism with militarism--
not socialism

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 15, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Washington DC

DC = Department of Corruption

Posted by: billisnice | April 15, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: undrpar | April 15, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

it is idealistic in concept.
for years, the idealistic American lifestyle, to achieve the American dream, was categorized as "owning a house".

_________________________________

Now, that is an interesting comment.

The thing that I feel needs injecting is the aspect of just WHO "Owns" What?!

For many of the Messiah's Chosen Few, who NEVER fully QUALIFIED for the Loans on anything considered a "Fair" and "Equal" Basis;

They do not "Own" Anything! Their "Lenders" do!

They, have not even paid any "Principle" on the Houses they are in. The whole problem occurred when they finally had to start!

If, it was not the unmentioned "Equity" Loans that encourage TWO F'ing Mortgages on Over-Appraised Ponzi-Scheme Pieces with NO left over Equity!

So far, Barry has NOT stopped ANY of the Bogus Lending Practices that have caused all the problems!

He has just thrown AWAY good Money after Bad!

But, WTF! It is not like any of it was HIS!

Posted by: SAINT---The | April 15, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Please, do not force me to give my credentials away! :) My memory is getting outdated now. As has been said before, I have forgotten more than I have learned. I've never really understood this statement, but I am using it now.

I am going to dinner. Bye.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they were granted a "permit" downtown but then turned away like at the Treasury Building in D.C.?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Analyst with a top national mortgage lender. We're offering the DU Refi Plus (rescue) program. Not everyone will get this program. There are credit requirements the borrower has to meet. After all, Fannie and Freddie are able to offer this program due to capitalization by the Treasury.

First, the existing loan has to be performing well, ie, the borrower has to pay their mortgage and on time (there goes the deadbeat stigma). Secondly, it will provide existing borrowers with much better interest rates (market driven interest rates) than they probably currently have, thus lowering their largest monthly expenditure, their home.

So where does all the interest on those monthly payments go for this program? That's right, to repay the tax payer. These loans will be profitable, which over time, erases the tax debt for the program.

Saint, you can call that socialism, I'll call it smart.

BTW, you're a hypocrite if you obtain one of these loans to better your lot. Also, you should never cash one of your Social Security checks either. Oh, also, you should drive your car on the side of the road. I could go on...

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

He seems a bit defensive and like he is trying to keep those pesky tea parties off the front page. Just more politicking and BS from Mr. Reaching Across the Isle. Is he still stuck on 3 republican votes for his initiatives?

Posted by: XLiberalJack | April 15, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

There were at least 16 other Tea Parties in Alabama too.

http://taxdayteaparty.com/teaparty/alabama/

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 4:29 PM
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No kidding! 16? Wow!
In a solidly Republican/Libertarian/conservative state. That's awesome! And on Valleydale road in Hoover for that matter. Wow! That's in a quite suburban neighborhood only ooo-about 16 miles from the government bldgs. See if it was up to me I would have done it downtown at Linn park, right under the very noses of those goddamn government employees.

Posted by: hayden1 | April 15, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Have a good day, EarlC.

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Abraham Maslow's needs hierarchy has "self-actualization" as the top rung, if my memory serves me correctly.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

The last I checked, the government is not "forcing" aid on anyone. By the way, my wife and I have already contributed a fair amount of money helping some very needy friends (not family), one of whom we managed to keep out of foreclosure. We have worked out zero-interest loans with some and have just made donations to others. It is not that we are goody-goody, but we believe in helping our friends, at the minimum.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse


EarlC-
"what an adequate standard of living is"
good question....

it is idealistic in concept.
for years, the idealistic American lifestyle, to achieve the American dream, was categorized as "owning a house".

however, to really answer your question, in my view...
one must go back to Maslow's Theory of Hierarchy----
the top of that pyramid is "self sufficiency", correct?

an adequate standard of living, therefore, would be self sufficiency?


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 15, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Folks,

I've enjoyed the give and take. Perhaps as we get more civil on the blogs, we can even find ourselves in more civil relationships in our society, one of the finest on earth. I am distressed about the number of mass murders lately, for whatever reason. Some of the garbage that is being thrown out there regarding the Obama adminstration is criminal.

Have a good day!

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

EarlC:

No one is stopping you from voluntarily giving to your neighbors. What we don't want is the GOVERNMENT forcing us to. See the difference?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

hayden1:

Too bad you didn't make it to the actual protest at Verteran Park on Hwy 17 and Valledale Road. It was a much larger turnout. There were at least 16 other Tea Parties in Alabama too.

http://taxdayteaparty.com/teaparty/alabama/

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

MylesSchulberg,

You finally showed in your post that you have not listened to Obama regarding the mortgage problem. There may be some "deadbeats" as you call them that may get some help. However, Obama specifically said that people who got loans when they knew that they were buying too much house, would not be helped by the bailout. However, there were people who were strapped to the limit when they bought their homes because of the obscene run-up in home prices and are now seeing their major investment substantially lower in value. If these people were forced to move for whatever reason, they could not come close to seeing their original purchase price for their home. I have always used a ten-year formula for deciding whether to buy or rent. But then, I have always been a fiscal conservative.

If one were to go back and check the Texas housing market at about the time that Bush was governor, you would see on the national scale now the catastrophy that happened in Texas then.

I happily own my own home free of debt. I do not begrudge help going to those who need the help. Folks, if ever there were a time when people needed help, it is now. I persoanlly do not want to live through a 1930s economy. I heard enough from my parents. It is time for Christians to stand up and be counted. It is time for all of us not only to pray, but also to help our fellow man. God has blessed me and my family beyond what we deserve. However, there is no need to try to find fault with every person who may need help. People have been kind to me all of my life. I tithe to my church, and I pay my taxes. It is not about "me," it is about "us." President Obama and I agree in principle about what Christianity is and does.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

mauguston- Socialism, unlike Communism, is based on more Government Control of Industries(By imagine this: Lawyers!), rather than direct Government possession of said Industries!

I am afraid I am quite right about O'Bomba being a "Socialist".

Very Afraid!

Then, the thing the LEGALLY Residing Middle Class needs to get control of our Wages in the US is NOT Unions, but the REMOVAL of well over 10 MILLION Wage Destroying Illegally Residing Invaders!

What is the phony CLOWN Messiah going to try to do?

Enforce our Federal Laws (Sorry Auntie!)?

Ohhhhhhh, LMFAO! :-(

Not!

No, Amnesty!

Amnesty and Citizenship REWARDING Criminals!

Then;

the Employers that seem to be allowed to hire People they should not;

will just need to hire more!

Different ones Then!

BTW-Just who do you think hired most of all the Foreign Speaking Illegals?

It just COULDN'T have been those Illegals Ronnie Ray-Gun allowed the Dim led Congress to Legalize;

now, Could it?!

FYI-Socialism does not Work!

And like right now;

Neither do the People!

Posted by: SAINT---The | April 15, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Dear President Obama and Secretary Geithner,

If you want to fix the banks and the economy, first fix the real estate market. Once that happens the banks will fix themselves. The toxic assets will detoxify themselves due to increased value.The fastest way to solve this crisis is to get investors involved in some fashion. They have the cash on the sidelines to get us out of this crisis. If we give them an incentive to purchase property they will and that will stabilize prices saving families and jobs.


There should be a zero % capital gains tax on any property purchased during the next year no matter when you sell it. This should only be on new purchases to help absorb some of the high housing inventory. Investors will buy properties and make things happen. This is a win win situation because no homes are selling anyway so there is no capital gains tax lost. Also there should be a rapid depreciation for tax purposes of 2 years on investment property. This was done after Katrina for counties in MS, AL, and LS. (called the GOZONE ACT) and should be done nationwide to stimulate demand and reduce supply which will help save the economy.
Once home prices are stabilized the jobs will return and the economy will recover. It might be difficult to get the republicans to go along with this because they know it will be extremely effective and therefore will result in the Dems gaining seats in 2010 And You Mr. President being re-elected in 2012

Posted by: chuchu1248 | April 15, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Bwana President Obama,

Kenya will soon enact dual citizenship law and I urge you to think seriously and start planning to shift to Kenya after streamlining USA for eight years and become the president of Kenya for two terms (10) years. Your so called distance relative Mr. Odinga and the Kikuyu man President Kibaki need to be replaced by a man of your integrity. The dollars Americans are complaining to be little on their tax refund can feed a whole African Kenyan family for a week and be left with change. John Kiruri, CISM and your future advisor on ICT strategies for Developing Nations.

Posted by: jkimani | April 15, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Here in Birmingham Alabama we had a HUGE tea baggers turn out.. Much better than expected. We counted at least 20 maybe 25 people. The police say it was more like 10. But it felt like 30 to me, what with all the shouting. After about 20 minutes of yelling and saying the Pledge of Allegiance we got one pedestrian clapping for us and saying "ROCK ON!", we felt like we got our word across, so we ended. All in all it was a great protest and we showed that communist in the White House a thing or two. Yeah we showed him!

Posted by: hayden1 | April 15, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

maugustson:

Why don't you get back to work then?

EarlC:

As if "pretty boy", "absolute nut", and "low level intellects" are somehow more respectful?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Tax breaks?" Many complain the taxes are breaking them. Nephew Aurangzeb in Los Angeles says he never heard of or paid any and thought America didn't have them.

Posted by: HassanAliAl-Hadoodi | April 15, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

SAINT:
Don't take this as personal, but if you think Obama is a socialist, you're a dumba**. That's a big word to throw around, and you know not what it means, at least in the context of which you are "trying" to use it.

So everyone to the right of your dead icon Reagan is a socialist? Ok.

I work for a major Lender here in the US. We would not lend anyone any money to buy a house 3 months ago. No way.

Now we are very very busy. Because of Obama/Geitner/Bernanke's plan - which provided much liquid capital to Fannie and Freddie, thus driving down rates, we're busier than I've seen it in 5 years, including the boom. And this business is actually helping people.

So these "socialists" lend money to private industry, and the result is better loans, better financing for home owners, if you want to call that socialism, go ahead. But you're a hypocrite if you apply for a mortgage now.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

maugustson - Talk about trickle down, Obama bails out deadbeat homeowners with lower mortgage rates and a lower mortgage balance so they can avoid self-caused foreclosure, while the rest of the folks who pay their mortgage have become upside down on it. Then those folks are told that their benefit will be higher property values through avoidance of foreclosures. If that's not a trickle down benefit, what is?

Posted by: MylesSchulberg | April 15, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Saint,
Please be more respectful. This "clown" thing is a bit old. Stop talking about yourself.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

To maugustson,

Well said!

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

What is finally going to happen, is what happens EVERY Year about this Time.

As we enter into the Peak Economic Period, AFTER Tax Rebates arrive(Slowly, but surely), and during the most productive Daylight Period/ Weather Period;

The Economy will rise!

It will rise this Year not Because of the Socialist Moron Congressional Clown in the Executive Seat-Pretending to be an Executive;

But, in SPITE of Him!

Unfortunately, he will still be there when the September slow-down is going to come around again! :-(

FEAR, Next Winter!

Hopefully, we will have REMOVED the Clown by then!

Then, before anyone attacks Alan Keyes;

Go to his Web Site, and review his Stances first!

Posted by: SAINT---The | April 15, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

MylesSchulberg, you misread by response. I do not begrudge anyone making any kind of salary, even though I find some salaries to be obscene in our society. I begrudge those who make the big bucks trying to keep the little guy from making a living wage. Anyone who would not support a minimum wage bill for adults (I am not talking about those under 18 who want a part-time job) is being grossly unfair to the working poor in our country. Those countries with a higher standard of living than ours respect the work done by all of their citizens. Yes, food may cost a little more in restaurants, and other services may cost a little more, but everyone can truly share in the benefits of that society.

I respect people like Bill Gates. he started a company and became quite wealthy. Too many fat cats did not start the companies that they are CEOs of. It is like they hit the lottery and made it. Some CEOs impress me. Others are just jerks; I have no polite way to say it. This President has reached out to many people during the past several months. He has received a lot of input. His workshops have been widely reported and in the open. We still do not know the makeup of the panel that Cheney had long ago in the Bush administration. You remember, the braintrust that wrote the energy policy.

I've listened to some of these big CEOs in testimony before Congress. I have received an education. Many are not worth even $500,000 per year. Yet, we complain about Obama and want him to work miracles for a salary of $400,000 per year. Don't tell me about his perks. The fat cats have their BIG perks also.

I do have the credentials to make some judgments in this area. At least on paper, I have the earned degrees. :)

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Myles Schulberg:
If I'm not mistaken, you're espousing trickle-down economics. Does not work. In theory, and perhaps to some small degree, it does, but not on the grand scale that you, or Reagan's corpes, would like.

So what's the answer? Well, there are more people in the $50k per year salary range than there are millionaires, but there lot has slipped over the past 29 years.

What good does it do for rich folks to build stuff if the middle class is too strapped to buy it? Oh, wait, suppress wages and make credit cheap and available, that's an alternative. Wait, that won't work either. That causes recessions.

Some how, some way, middle class bargaining power for more livable wages needs to be achieved so the middle class doesn't have to depend on debt (to big banks - you know, who right our laws).

One thing I do know, Reaganomics is bad for me and bad for you. Workers should be compensated in such a way that they can pay for their lives and futures without so much debt. However we have to get there, I'm for that.

I believe Obama has presented the best option for this end goal, more so than any other candidate in quite a while.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

EarlC:

Sorry to disappoint. Also, whether NEA is valuable contribution to society, or not, it isn't "stimulus".

maugustson:

I so appreciate your kind efforts to be "nice" to me.

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Money for the National Endowment for the Arts (not to beconfused with the National Education Association) is a valuable contribution that our society can make in support of the arts. The arts is one way that sets a civil society apart from places like - say - Somalia. The cultureless Republicans could use some exposure to culture. It was so amusing to see Bush attending those cultural events in Washington. He had no clue. Barbara really trained him well. Poor Laura did the best that she could do, also. Growing up with a silver spoon in your mouth does not necessarily mean one has "class."

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the average of $7 per paycheck that our citizens will take home will really "stimulate" the economy. I seriously would like to know what all these pundits advising the W.H. , with govt. jobs, who may or may not have paid their taxes, are smoking.

Posted by: marine2211 | April 15, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

To EarlC - No one is saying the 95% of taxpayers getting a tax cut shouldn't get it. I'm saying that the other 5% should get a tax cut as well. To say they don't earn their money is ridiculous. Last time I checked, a $50K/year taxpayer wasn't creating jobs or spending big sums that create jobs, but many of the over $250K/year taxpayers do create jobs and spend big sums that create jobs. I'm not begrudging the person who lazily retired at age 50 or so and gets a tax cut for earning a $50K/year pension. Don't begrudge the person who makes over $250K a year working 80 hours a week.

Posted by: MylesSchulberg | April 15, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

I hate to inform you but, Obama, is in fact, your President, and that's not going to change for a minimum of 4 years. You need to get over the "he's not from America" thing. It makes you look stupid. It's not an argument that will EVER go anywhere. It's nutjob, rightwing, kook fringe. I'm just letting you know in an effort to be nice. Kind of like when someone has a booger hanging, you wanna tell em' about it so they don't embarrass themselves anymore.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, You supported Keyes! You have just put your sanity on the line. Keyes is an absolute nut. Listen to Keyes for about 5 minutes, and most people know what I mean. If you had said Ron Paul, I would understand you better. But Alan Keyes! Thank goodness he got no where close to being nominated. The Republicans would do well to forget Palin and Jindal, also.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

Do you think that Obama wishes to turn America into a Socialist country?

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo:

First of all, Obama is not legally "our President" unless he is a "natural born" citizen. Second, didn't we go over the pork / earmarks in the stimulus bill already? I thought you agreed the $350 million for NEA was not "stimulus" at least?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

maugustson:

Perhaps. BTW: I don't "hate" Obama, and I supported Keyes for President (so it's not a racist thing with me).

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

"Don't you worry about "right-wing extremists". If I were you, I'd worry about your candidate who actually talked up the virtures of Reagan though ; )"

Don't you know brilliant politics when you see it? Secondly, he never talked up the virtues of Regan's economic policies, quite the contrary. His compliments towards Regan were limited to his personality, which as time has proven, was all he ever really had. ;-)

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

what is reckless spending????
it's easy to "climb on the bandwagon" and bash every sitting president.

and how is our president spending recklessly?

state some facts in bullet points to me folks about any of the 4 bills he has signed........
where's the reckless spending?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 15, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Some of you are still trying to make me feel so sorry for those who make over $250,000 each year. The last time that I checked, many of these hardworking Americans were on the golf course each week "working deals," flying private jets and first class, and smoking big fat cigars (from Cuba - no less). The hard-working Americans that I rub elbows with just picked up my garbage; repatched my street; cleaned up my office on the midnight shift; worked over 50 hours this week teaching 150 students, grading papers, and preparing lesson plans; spent over 50 hours running a family-owned restaurant; and many more. I have no real sympathy for those fat cats in their big offices who seem to just "rule." The salaries of the top tier have become obscene during the past 8 years. The top dogs earn over 1000 more than the typical worker in America. And some people worry about a 39.5% tax bracket for these people. I favor a return to the 70% bracket for those making over $500,000 per year. I wish someone would please tell me in a Jeffersonian democracy what an adequate standard of living is. I use "Jeffersonian" because some Republicans have been invoking one of my heroes in their political talk lately.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

roule:

I've read the article.

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

roule -

Thank you for being a rational voice in this forum.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh my God, you conservatives are so dramatic, like America is about to fail. Give me a f*****g break. You really hate this negro don't you!

So W puts us balls deep in debt and not a word from you kooks. Obama, not yet 100 days in his term, and we're about to fail? My God you guys are way more of kool aid drinkers than I imagined.

Make no mistake, Obama will change this country. he said he would. He ran on this, and America voted him in. The catch, the change is good for all, not just the top 1%. You idiots, who are getting a tax break continue to protest and vote against your own economic self interest. MORONS!

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

jdcw:

Congrats!

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

wait a second here....

let's take a poll of the man on the street who is UNemployed now.

Let's ask him what HIS story is?
Why is he unemployed?

Could it be HIS company messed up?
or no, that couldn't happen....it's the President...
uh, what's wrong with connecting of these dots?
oh wait, you failed a drug test and are un-employed.
gee, sorry

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 15, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

PERSONAL TO: jmk55 @ 2:06 p.m.


Weren't you one of the guards at the Gulag?


Or is this just another example of lame psy ops from the paid disinfo trolls who ply these boards (at taxpayer expense, no doubt)?


What will you do if the Obama administration makes your handlers abide by the anti-propaganda laws?


Put on a white hat?

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 15, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse


I have been silent for a long time on the monetary and fiscal actions that the Obama administration has taken. I have concluded that there were no good options, and Obama made some good choices. Time will eventually reveal his mistakes too. However, I recognize that he is actively trying to clean up a mess he didn't create, and have to give him credit for the swift actions that he has been able to take.

This article reports Obama's tax reforms, which in my opinion are long overdue and welcome. Yet it seems a significant number of commenters here did NOT read the article and are merely spouting off Limbaugh vitriol, mindlessly repeating half-truths that have NOTHING to do with Obama's work these last 4 months.

To all those who are trying to align employment with any policy that has taken effect since january of 2009: GET A CLUE! Everyone knows that policies enacted at the federal level take at least 6 months, often years, to be felt at the local level. Our current recession has roots that go back to the Clinton administration. So take your inflammatory anti-Obama rhetoric and bottle it until you know what the hell you're talking about.

Posted by: roule | April 15, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

maugustson:

Don't you worry about "right-wing extremists". If I were you, I'd worry about your candidate who actually talked up the virtures of Reagan though ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama does NOT want bigger government, he want's "smarter" government, a concept that a conservative will NEVER understand. To a conservative, the government is always bad.

Let's put it in terms of a computer.

Obama wants an Apple, a little more expensive, an investment, but better in the short and long run, as opposed to a PC.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I went to the local Tea Party today. It was the first Political Rally I ever attended.

Citizens spoke out against Obama's reckless spending.

The crowd sang God Bless America and saluted the flag.

The FairTax.org crowd was all over the place signing up supporters.

Posted by: jdcw | April 15, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Our government continues to grow, in alarming ways, beyond the consent of the governed.

Just because a President is elected does not give him unlimited power and it has long been demonstrated that the power to spend and tax is the power to enslave.

Our Declaration of Independence states that "whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends...it is their right (the people's right), it is their duty, to throw off such government." Thomas Jefferson stated that there should be a revolution every generation.

Of course in our day this is true as well, because the policies of the utopian-vision-set (including the current president) always result in slavery of the individual to the government.

The media thinks it's fashionable to use the government as the engine of social change, but throughout history this has proven to be sheer folly, and has led to socialism, statism, and even communism.

America is only the land of the free inasmuch as we vigilantly protect those freedoms.

The tea parties are a reminder that government BY the people and not the other way around is what it truly means to be American.

Posted by: FreedomFirst2 | April 15, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: of course I'm well acquainted with "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

That's essentially what happened on November 4th. Although you guys are making a loud noise today, it's not as large as what WE accomplished in November, which is a repudiation of Reganomics really. America turned out the vote for a more active role for government because Wall St. was not getting it done. So we elected Barack Obama.

Of the many many moderates I know, they're actually quite scared and put off by the fringe nature of the teabaggers rattling pitchforks today. Most Americans are very happy with the performance our President, unfortunately for you on the right, nothing you can do will do anything to change that.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Jmk55, I read Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope. I found myself agreeing with over 95% of his writing. I discovered a truly remarkable American. I then discovered the deep hostility of those who "hated" Obama. They would lift passages from the book, rephrase them, put them in quotes, and pass the stuff around the internet as gospel truth. Since I had the book only about 10 feet from me, I could check the quotes out. I do not like this type of stuff. This stiff made it on to FOX news and other talk shows.

There is a Karl Rove mentality that has taken over the Republican Party. It basically boils down to this: attack a person on his strengths, even if you have to make up the specifics. Forget that you are attacking yourself and your own credibility. Keep people focused on the other guy. For example, use Obama's credentials as an outstanding Harvard law student as a minus. Call him elite for a comment that is used often in my own SBC church ("cling to Jesus"). I hate the politics of personal destruction and dishonesty. Thank goodness for video recordings of events. It is so easy to catch people in their own lies. So far, Obama has done very well about not contradicting himself in this regard. McCain was a walking disaster in this mine field. I agreed with Wesley Clark when he stated that just being in a prioner of war camp gave no one special credentials for being a President. The U.S. Constitution is very clear about the qualifications for President.

I pray daily that the President will do the right thing. The Bible requires certain things of me along this line. I often wonder how the Christians in Iraq felt with Saddam as leader. The same scripture asks them to pray for their governement (leaders). I know that they are having a real struggle now.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is president of some not all by increasing taxes on 5% of taxpayers. Not only is it inequitable, as the 5% work as hard as anyone else, but it is bad economics to raise anyone's taxes in a recession. And don't tell me that a tax cut for the 5% is unaffordable given the massive amount of money spent on bailouts, stimulus and bloated budgets.

Posted by: MylesSchulberg | April 15, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

At least I'm not "ignorant" about the First and Second Amendments!

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

A "BIGGER" Government is "NOT" a "BETTER" Government!!!

Posted by: thgirbla | April 15, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

MORE:
TAXING OF HIGHER INCOME EARNERS AND CORPS,
UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE,
UNIVERSAL EDUCATION,
GUN CONTROL,
ENFORCEMENT OF CIVIL RIGHTS,
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE,
LABOR FRIENDLY LAWS,
STRICT ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS,
PROTECTIVE TARRIFS,
REGULATION, PARTICULARLY BANKING,AND
EDUCATED CITIZENRY.

LESS:
RELIGION IN POLITICS,
LESSEZ FAIRE GOVERNMENT,
GUNS,
IGNORANT CITIZENRY.


Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

QUOTE-
"There is no justification for the countless billions that citizens will have to pony up this tax season to fund liberalism's reckless abuse of the federal treasury," the statement said.

what a crock of crap.....
for 8 years we went down the tubes by crooks who used the USCODE to make money over the heads of the "common tax paying" man. Remember your great Paulson coming out at 5AM on a Friday in september 2008 to MENTION in a PC that "they messed up" from earlier in the decade.
Thanks for telling us 8 years late !

As soon as HR1 passed, I started receiving $20 more bucks a week in my paycheck.

I have bought a car in which I am going to cash in next year on.
I have appealed my property tax in which they cannot say no.
America, don't listen to the repulsives, they will make you sick.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 15, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

maugustson:

Have you forgotten about "... the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

One has to understand reality before one can purport to control it, even in terms of the economy.

It isn't enough to wander around as a pretend Holden Caulfield your whole life, you'll lose.

I hope this doesn't mean we're going to see more organized efforts at republcain tea bagging, with some Texas, or Boston kook, yelling "NOBAMA!" or even worse "PUMA!"

With all due respect, I've always felt an effective, serious political organization should rise above the level of an Internet blog star, and his wannabe blog stars.

Posted by: thegreatpotatospamof2003 | April 15, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Federal budget increases have on average been 3-5% in line with inflation. Obama's budget request for $3.6T over last years $3.1T is 16% or 500 billion...equivalent to the entire DoD budget.....this doesn't even include the sham $800B stimulus plus $700B TARP. This simply cannot be justified under the current economic recession...which btw was initiated by Democrats (starting with the Clinton Administration) throwing 20% mortgage down payment standard out the window and forcing high risk loans on the entire financial industry.

Posted by: tom2 | April 15, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Since JaxMax ia 100% correct about Losing your job and you instantally get a 100 tax break on income earned.

Obama must have plans for 95% of american workers. They get a pink slip or reduction in hours working, as health care goes up to eat your small tax increase or you loose health care benefits and loose you house.

Posted by: billisnice | April 15, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

This money is borrowed from China and if it was being spent wisely, that's one thing, but when it is spent on useless pork projects, just because Pelosi or some other "shopper" wants it, that makes me mad.
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It's a little more complex than this, isn't it?

Posted by: thegreatpotatospamof2003 | April 15, 2009 3:01 PM
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No, not really.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

HEY CONSERVATIVES, YOU GOT YOUR A** HANDED TO YOU IN NOVEMBER, SO GET OUT OF THE WAY. AMERICA HAS CHOSEN A NEW PATH/COURSE FOR THIS COUNTRY.

THE FACT IS OBAMA WAS HANDED A BUCKET OF REPUGNANT CRAP. THIS IS STILL A BUSH ECONOMY. ONCE IT TURNS AROUND, EVERYTHING YOU MORONS ARE DOING WILL WILL BE THROWN BACK IN YOUR FACE. YOU'LL EXPERIENCE FURTHER DECLINES IN 2010 AND 2012.

IT TOOK YOU 30 YEARS TO DIG THE HOLE WE'RE IN, IT'LL TAKE YOU LONGER TO CLIMB YOUR WAY OUT.

Posted by: maugustson | April 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

scott71:

Yes, I can read; can you? "Barry Soetoro" = "Barack Obama". I also know that Hawaii is part of the United States (so is Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia, but why complicate matters?). So, it looks like I'm not the one failing to research things I say (whether "everyone" laugh at me or not ; )

Tell you what, though, if Obama was born in Hawaii, then I will agree he is a "natural born" citizen. How's that for a compromise?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Jmk55, I am glad that you are upset with the less than one percent of the stimulus package that may be "pork." However,the tax cuts in the package bother me, and they make up much more than one percent. The person who bothers me the most in the Congress is Boehner. He just looks hungover all the time. I know that he may not be able to help it. However, I have heard him contradict himself in the same sentence. My fellow Virginian in the Republican group is no asset to the Republican Party other than to stand there a "pretty boy" and smile his inane smile.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

EarlC, I get your point. I do not like extremists and fanatics myself. It does seem like everything must be either black or white. There is no more moderation, only hatred. I know that Obama's association with Ayers is insignificant, but it made me dig a little deeper into Obama's background and his background and beliefs is what convinced me not to vote.
I think it is the time to look much closer at independents.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

JaxMax ia 100% correct...Lose you job and you instantally get a 100 tax break on income earned.

Posted by: billisnice | April 15, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow JakeD, can you actually read? Obviously you failed to read the previous post correctly. 'ChangeWhat' wasn't calling Obama a hack (though he may or may not think so) he was referring back to Barry Soetoro who was the subject of his whole tirade. Second, Obama was born in Hawaii, how is that not a "natural born" citizen? Is your grip on reality so flimsy that you think that Hawaii isn't part of the United States? Hey, I tell you what, why don't you research the things you say before you spout them on the internet for everyone to laugh at.

Posted by: scott71 | April 15, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

This money is borrowed from China and if it was being spent wisely, that's one thing, but when it is spent on useless pork projects, just because Pelosi or some other "shopper" wants it, that makes me mad.
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It's a little more complex than this, isn't it?

Posted by: thegreatpotatospamof2003 | April 15, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

jmk55, I studied up on Bill Ayers after it became a campaign issue. I was curious because I had a childhood friend named William Ayers who is actually about the same age as the Bill Ayers in Chicago. For me, the decision to ignore this relationship was an easy one. I saw no close assosication between Obama and Ayers. Even if there had been, the association between Obama and the Bill Ayers of 1995 would be different than between an Obama and a Bill Ayers in the 1970s. People change. Who knows the people with whom I have associated during my lifetime that are now "undesirables." I do know this, people yelling out some of the stuff that was yelled out at McCain-Palin rallies bothered me.

I attended an Obama rally. There were 4 protesters (white men like me) thumping Bibles outside the event. They looked at us and told us that we were going to Hell for being at the Obama rally. I assure you that these guys had no clue as to my religious persuasion. The 15000 to 20000 of us were culturally diverse and polite. If there were an incident requiring police action, I am totally unaware of it. My wife and I waited in a line that stretched for at least a mile. We made it through security. No one spoke back to the 4 Bible-thimping guys within my earshot. We just discussed the situation in the line. Up to this point, I am a very proud Obama supporter. I saw at the rally, the inaugural concert, and at the inauguration the type of America I want for me and my family.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

EarlC, people usually stop buying goods after they die, so wouldn't worry about it.
I realize that during Bush adm. the spending got out of hand, but it was also exaggerated by some. Bush left a big deficit, but Obama has him beat already. The problem with the spending is, that since the Congress has just a little more than a year before it is (hopefully) fired, and having a democrat in the WH, they want to get all of their shopping done before Nov, 2010. This money is borrowed from China and if it was being spent wisely, that's one thing, but when it is spent on useless pork projects, just because Pelosi or some other "shopper" wants it, that makes me mad.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Good one, JaxMax!

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA DOES REDUCE TAXES PAID BY MILLIONS OF AMERICANS..........

and he's REDUCING THE TAXES THEY PAY more each day

as more and more Americans are UNEMPLOYED in DEPRESSION OBAMA.......

they pay less taxes.

Posted by: JaxMax | April 15, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Forget taxing. Best thing to do is to tax everything purchased 1 Cent. IE, if you buy 100,000 worth of stuff you tax would be $1000 for the yr. This would be fair to all. put money trillions more in the economy without complications.

Our leaders do not want to, cuz they loose control.

Posted by: billisnice | April 15, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

isnt meese one of the signers of the constitution,this guy is ancient .they have this guy and a religious fanatic. they have got the administration shaking now.

Posted by: donaldtucker | April 15, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The latest Gallup poll still shows Obama with a 63% approval rating, up from its last poll showing only a paltry 62%. I do not trust any pole that suggests that the taker of the pole has a bias in sampling. For example, a pole done with FOX news as a sponsor of the pole would not interest me.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

jmk55, the VAT has always interested me since I first traveled to Europe over 25 years ago. Of course, there is a downside. If people stop buying goods, there is no VAT.

My innerself wishes that the Federal Government can be pay-as-you-go; that is, balanced budgets. I have no problem with the government maintaining a substantial rainy-day find. Afterall, I have one. The big problem is that Republicans were always complaining about tax-and-spend Democrats while rushing headlong into system of "borrow-and-spend." It was the Republicans who taught us that borrowing money was not that big of a deal at the Federal level. You can go back and listen to the speeches. Now, when we need to fight a big fire with fire, the Republicans suddenly decide that borrowing money is not such a good idea. This is hypocrisy at the least. Why not use the Republican answer to fight the current economic crisis? They have liked it well since 1981, even after Reagan called increasing debt "asinine." "Asinine" is the very word that he used when he signed the debt-ceiling bill which allowed the debt to go over $1 trillion dollars.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

According to various polls, Obama's approval rating is dropping from over 60% to 50-55%,
and the amount of these who disapprove has been growing. It is only a matter of time before people will figure out what works and what doesn't.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The tea parties are a joke, and not only of the Urban Dictionary type. All these people protesting tax increases that don't exist, and won't for anyone making less than a quarter mil a year. They're standing in the rain, tax reductions in hand, to argue for tax breaks that they'll never see, tax breaks for people who make too much money to have to stand in the rain.

And if they're arguing against deficits, where were they during the wartime tax cuts of the Republicans, when the way they responded to shortfalls in revenue was to shortchange the troops?

Their credibility is long gone, and it ain't coming back with circus acts like this.

Witness the death throes of the GOP.

Posted by: szwheelock | April 15, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: "where I was born (or even hatched) is irrelevant to the Constitutional qualifications to be President of the United States."

Trust him! JakeD is broadly recognized on this board as an expert in irrelevant.

Posted by: nodebris | April 15, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

EarlC, the world does not evolve around McCain or Palin. This is why I did not vote for McCain. I always vote Rep, but not this time. I also did not vote for Obama, especially after I learned about his association with Ayers, and not because of the "palling with a terrorist" crap, but because of Ayers' ideology and political believes. I have met Ayers years ago and did not agree with anything he had to say. So far Obama proves to share much of his Marxist and Leninist beliefs and this is a NO-NO in my book.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

EarlC:

Why are you wasting your time on someone as "dumb" as me?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

tstc:

Do you need a sponsor to become an American citizen?

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, I conceed that the personal exemptions went up under Bush, just like they have done ever since indexing was voted into law, before Bush II. However, I have no solice in a tax cut that comes during a time of war. Any reasonable person knows that wars cost money. Capital gains taxes do not affect many taxpayers. They certainly did not affect me.

Personally, I am opposed to tax cuts at this time. Those who have jobs can pay their taxes. Those who do not have jobs are not paying taxes. All tax cuts do is run up the debt. However, Obama was being realistic. He knows that the party of "tax cuts" will keep harping on this one note. In Virginia, we have been stifled by the party of "no taxes." Our infrastructure is a mess. The party of "no taxes" also created the biggest entitlement to localities by doing away with most of the car tax. Hence, the state budget will suffer to the end to time.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

negative obama writers beware: obama has paid campaign staffers to lie about and take on all issues posted/blogged on major newspapers like this. They are little brainwashed socialist/communists that live in their mother's basements, go to public libraries, or use acorn facilities.

BTW------The TEA Parties today have been a real success. There were a lot of people in the rain with signs in Annapolis. Good, decent people. Lots of democrats and independants too.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | April 15, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Harole Meyerson writes about the law of unintended consequences today. He says that Rush & the other mouthpieces from the right have inadvertently built support for socialism in this country to never-before-seen levels. How did a bunch of conservatives promote socialism so well? By tying it to a president with 60% approval ratings.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/14/AR2009041402556.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 15, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Fei_Hu:

Again, where I was born (or even hatched) is irrelevant to the Constitutional qualifications to be President of the United States. Thanks for the post though.

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Okay so let's see here I get an extra $8 per week and I work in NYC. Well smokes went up from around $9 in the last week to $11.50 per packet and the list goes on iPod tax, State sales tax at movie theaters, sporting events, taxis, buses, limousines and cable and satellite TV and radio, repeal of the 8-cents-per-gallon sales, Tuition increases at SUNY and CUNY, $620 and $600 a year respectively( glad I am not studying they don't miss you do they), Higher taxes on wine, beer and flavored malt beverages. And an 18% tax on non-nutritional drinks like soda (should probably stick to tap water) Increase on Sales Tax on Luxury Goods. I could go on and on and on with this stuff.
So President Obama stick your tax cut where the sun doesn't shine, stop spending my money let's get some sort of common sense here. Voting for Change did not mean voting to send me and the country broke... Nice also that your going to simplify the tax code for everyone I read that as making sure that your going to tax everyone more.... I pray to god that you are a one termer lets get back to basics.
As a first generation immigrant I left Australia to get away from the high taxes and the hand out culture or middle class welfare I as call it. Socialism it appears it followed me here...... To 53% of Americans who voted for Obama can you see where this is headed?? To the 47% who voted of the other guy, get organized speak up you have elections on the horizon shortly get organized and get your country back on track, the fundamentals of your beliefs i.e rewarding success and creatign an environment where ideas become reality is what made you great that way of thinking is being taken over by parentalism no government can be your parents no government can solve your problems... America your moving in the wrong direction……

Posted by: tstc | April 15, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

EarlC, The taxes as we know do not work. Why? Because you can tax the rich some 50% or 60% and their high power CPA's will find the loopholes and extra write-offs.
Lowering taxes for the poor and increasing them for the rich will only create more unemployment. The linear tax would work, but it would have to consist of 2 or 3 tiers, as in this kind of system the poor seem to be affected more than rich. All personal deductions and write-off become obsolete. You pay 10% or 15% off your gross income and there is no deviation from that. Or, get rid of individual taxes all together and replace them with VAT - value added tax.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't tell me that JakeD is still talking about Obama's birth certificate. Perhaps JakeD will post his birth certificate. I cannot believe anyone as "dumb" as JackD was born in the United States. I trust those who have seen Obama's birth certificate. I do not have to see it myself. I bet JakeD hasn't seen the birth certificates of many of the people in his own family.
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Good Response..

JackD cannot help himself.
He was Hatched from a Devil-ed Egg !!

Fei Hu

Posted by: Fei_Hu | April 15, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Mega-billions for corporations. $7 a week for the common man. That's the Democratic Party saying, "Thank you, America!"

Yeah Obama, let's all get stimulated with that BIG $7 / week with the dollar menu at McDonald's.

Support Rep. Louis Gohmert's plan of an income tax holiday for six months. Put the money in the pockets of the people who will know what to do with it, not some local government weenies who will blow it out on studies or corporations, who reward losers.

I never knew of a country that could tax & spend its way into prosperity.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | April 15, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Mega-billions for corporations. $7 a week for the common man. That's the Democratic Party saying, "Thank you, America!"

Yeah Obama, let's all get stimulated with that BIG $7 / week with the dollar menu at McDonald's.

Support Rep. Louis Gohmert's plan of an income tax holiday for six months. Put the money in the pockets of the people who will know what to do with it, not some local government weenies who will blow it out on studies or corporations, who reward losers.

I never knew of a coutnry that could tax its way into prosperity.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | April 15, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Jmk55,perhaps you have the IQ data to support your assertion. I saw some low-level intellects at the televised McCain-Palin rallies, some were on the platform. I could not believe the things they were saying. To think that these people are living in the 21st century. Jmk55, I guess I am one of the dumber people to whom you refer. By 2012, we'll figure out what is happening with what President Obama is doing now. I guess the mid-term elections will reveal the grades of this administration by the American people. I predict two things only and that is for 2012: (1) President Obama will win in an electoral landslide similar to that of Reagan in 1984 or (2) President Obama will have accomplished his goals and will choose not to seek a second term - leaving office with a 60+% approval rating (at which time, he will be picked as the Secretary General of the United Nations.)

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

EarlC:

First, if you paid ANY federal income tax in the last 6 years, not just the upper 1% or 2%, you got a cut under the Bush tax plan. Sorry if your combined family income is not more than $250K. Second, neither I nor anyone in my family is pretending to me President of the United States, so our birth certificates are irrelevant to the instant issue.

theobserver4:

It's not a "gimmick" if it's true. It's a Constitutional crisis.

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

scrivener50, these are paranoid delusions you posted. I suggest seeking immediate treatment in the nearest Psychiatric Emergency Room

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I am not worried about Obama's tax breaks. What Republicans mean by tax breaks is tax breaks for the upper 1% or 2%. As a middle-class American citizen, I have paid a full load of taxes. I do know this, we all have to pay our fair share of taxes if we plan to have a viable government that is responsible for many of the benefits that we all share as a nation. The flat tax people scare me. We had it right with the tax code we had prior to 1986. All we needed to do was to adjust the tax code each year for inflation. You might say I am the ultimate conservative - I remember the good ol' days of the tax code. :) It seems that the more people get back, the more they complain. The "reduce tax" crowd would like to live in Somalia, I guess. You cannot reduce taxes enough for this crowd.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

PRESIDENT OBAMA CANNOT FIX THE ECONOMY UNTIL HE DISMANTLES A ROOT CAUSE...

THE BUSH-CHENEY LEGACY 'EXTRAJUDICIAL PUNISHMENT NETWORK'

TO: President Obama, White House staff (c/o Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod)

Mr. President:

First things first. You must first restore civil and human rights in America before your economic prescriptions will result in a cure. You must immediately join with GOP defenders of the Constitution to dismantle the nationwide extrajudicial punishment network...

...authoritarian bureaucrats and security/intel officers and their nationwide network of "organized community gang stalkers" -- citizen vigilantes fronted by federally-funded volunteer programs.

This nationwide, Gestapo-like operation has made a mockery of the judicial system for the past eight years and has claimed many unjustly "targeted" victims from all strata of society.

Crimes against humanity are being committed across the nation via the use of so-called "directed energy (microwave radiation) weapons" which the Bush D.O.J. recently confirmed are being widely deployed to police forces nationwide.

These RADIATION weapons emit silent, pulsed bursts of various forms of radiation -- degrading and damaging the health of those on the receiving end as well as their operators.

This weaponry has NO PLACE in civilized society -- much less in the hands of security personnel who interact with the public, or with the nation's leaders. The widespread deployment of this weaponry virtually assures its misuse.

Imagine if rogue actors tried to use its silent, deadly force to induce illness or to disorient, prematurely age, sicken or disable our political leaders.

Perhaps they already have.

Victims of this extrajudicial punishment network also see their finances and livelihoods expropriated and destroyed by coordinated "multi-agency action" "programs of personal financial destruction" that deny them due process of law while degrading their lives and destroying their families.

The IRS, under Bush-Cheney, has been transmogrified into an ideological
weapon of social control and recrimination by these covert "multi-agency actions."

Obama administration officials must address these abuses IMMEDIATELY, before these affronts to the Constitution destroy more American families -- and subvert the Obama presidency.


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/domestic-torture-radiation-weaponry-americas-horrific-shame

OR (if links are corrupted):

http://My.NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 15, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Way to NOT list these "Breaks" there WaPo!

Could it be they are primarily geared towards all the Single Minority Parents in Urban Areas, and maybe even Married Minorities in Urban Areas with Children!

Possibly for Parents of "Anchor Babies"?

Best I can tell, over 50% of Americans-And those illegals who are Parents of Wrongly Americanized Children who are their "Entitlements";

DON'T EVEN OWE TAXES!-At least not Federal Income Tax!

"FAIR TAX"! Federal Income Tax applied once and only to the retail side!

THAT-Along with Capital Gains Waivers on ALL Investments;

Is what I want!

Posted by: SAINT---The | April 15, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Don't tell me that JakeD is still talking about Obama's birth certificate. Perhaps JakeD will post his birth certificate. I cannot believe anyone as "dumb" as JackD was born in the United States......

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 1:49 PM
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I know plenty dumber people. They all voted for Obama

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Worst fears realized. Something that was first noticed out west a few years ago in the cervids, appears to have been transfered to a large number of politcans in D C. It seems to have to have infected the senate, the house, and the President. WE have been told there is no cure for this dreaded disease. I hope a cure can be found before it is to late and we become just another Third World Country. The name of this dreaded disease is CWD or Chronic Wasting Disease. Lord Help Us All

Posted by: myop1 | April 15, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Don't tell me that JakeD is still talking about Obama's birth certificate. Perhaps JakeD will post his birth certificate. I cannot believe anyone as "dumb" as JackD was born in the United States. I trust those who have seen Obama's birth certificate. I do not have to see it myself. I bet JakeD hasn't seen the birth certificates of many of the people in his own family.

Posted by: EarlC | April 15, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse


It's only a "dead story" if Obama is a "natural born" citizen. The fact that he won't consent to the release of his LONG FORM birth certificate is keeping the "dead story" on life-support.

Posted by: JakeD

-You need a new gimmick; this one was worn out months ago.

Posted by: theobserver4 | April 15, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

candyzky writes
"Obama can tout his tax breaks all he wants, because he thinks everyone is stupid enough to believe it is FREE. It is most certainly not FREE. Someone is going to have to pay for those tax breaks, and it is going to be you and me somewhere down the road."

I don't think people think these tax cuts are 'free'. Certainly I've never heard the President make such a ludicrous claim. 'Free' tax cuts are a cornerstone of conservative fiscal policy - remember the argument that "tax cuts pay for themselves"? Hopefully we can now agree what utter nonsense that line of BS really is.

What the President has said is that we need to reform the tax code. I certainly agree with him on that.

Do you?

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 15, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

THE TAXMAN COMETH…
Why just complain about paying taxes when you can SING about complaining about paying taxes?!?
Watch “Goin’ to the C.P.A. (The Tax Song)” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Groi6Ziio

See more parodies at http://parodyandson.blogspot.com

Posted by: thincaboutit | April 15, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow - I wish I was one of the lucky 9 who got some benefit from the milquetoast tax plan put forth by a spineless President.

Unfortunately I do not see the added $15.00 a paycheck as eith borad or sweeping - and it is not a real help in these difficult financial times - and it does not make up for the thousands and thousands of dollars lost in my retirement plan.

Posted by: mgd1

-Sorry you lost your shirt, but that's why we're offering these extra thick boot straps.....just work harder for an extra 7-10 years and you'll never know the difference. Good luck finding a job at 70.

Maybe if the intellectually stunted and short sighted baby boomers hadn't tossed aside their pinko defined benefit plans in favor of the corporate sham 401K to appease their bosses you wouldn't have lost 40% of your wealth. What would the alternative be? Gov't insured 401K plans?

I don't need a tax break so I'm indifferent to all of this. I just want us to get back on our feet (requires spending) and then seriously figure out a way to address our debt.

Posted by: theobserver4 | April 15, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

There were 43 presidents before this one. Did anyone ever see this kind of opposition forming in just a few months after election?
This is not about skin color or political party. This is way beyond that.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

morningglory51:

Amen!

bmessina:

Which "argument" are you referring to, because Obama not being President if he's not a "natural born" citizen is hardly a strawman and could easily be disproven by the release of his LONG FORM birth certificate.

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Fellow citizens, stop being fooled by this faulty logic and support the President's efforts to heal Our Country.

Posted by: bmessina | April 15, 2009 1:20 PM
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If "healing" the country means hurting it's people what good is it? People must realize that this is not about Dems against Reps, but about PEOPLE against SOCIALISM

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Obama feels he has to defend himself against the Fox News-backed lunatics with the tax "tea parties."

http://www.political-buzz.com/

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TEA party protesters are Republican, Democrats, and Independants. This isn't about political parties. It's about the American people of all stripes.

Posted by: morningglory51 | April 15, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

morningglory51, you're preaching to the choir, but...a linear tax system would put IRS out of business and we couldn't let this happen, could we?

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Over 1800 TEA parties across the nation Obama, more than just a "few" protesters.

Posted by: morningglory51 | April 15, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The conservatives and, indeed, The whole Republican Party use the "Straw man" strategy to misinform the American People about the heroic efforts by the Obama Administration to recover from the selfish and misguided policies of the Bush year's. Below is the Wikipedia explanation of this ignoble strategy:

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position ...

Fellow citizens, stop being fooled by this faulty logic and support the President's efforts to heal Our Country.

Posted by: bmessina | April 15, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

marmac5:

It's only a "dead story" if Obama is a "natural born" citizen. The fact that he won't consent to the release of his LONG FORM birth certificate is keeping the "dead story" on life-support.

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

correction, Huffington Post

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

If Obama really wanted to simply the tax system and keep if fair, he would propose a flat tax of about 10% across the board, where EVERYONE with an earned income pays.
No deductibles, no exemptions, no loopholes and only minutes for even the most braindead to prepare their taxes.
We could save Billions just by going to this simple system, but I guess asking anything simple is too much to ask of the gubment.

Posted by: morningglory51 | April 15, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse


Mississippi Sen. Thad Cochran, the ranking Republican on the Senate Appropriations Committee, topped the list of senators receiving earmarks, with a total of $653 million.

Alaska led the nation in pork per capita, at $322 a person.

Rush or Fox isn't giving you the "news" on that are they?

Posted by: Juked | April 15, 2009 1:12 PM
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is this the info from MSNBC or Huntington Post? Besides, everybody knows that the leader in production of pork is US Congress

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow - I wish I was one of the lucky 9 who got some benefit from the milquetoast tax plan put forth by a spineless President.

Unfortunately I do not see the added $15.00 a paycheck as eith borad or sweeping - and it is not a real help in these difficult financial times - and it does not make up for the thousands and thousands of dollars lost in my retirement plan.

Posted by: mgd1 | April 15, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Jake D. -- Better an "arrogant hack" than a senile old fool who can't let go a dead story.

Posted by: marmac5 | April 15, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Jake D. -- Better an "arrogant hack" than a senile old fool who can't let go a dead story.

Posted by: marmac5 | April 15, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Mississippi Sen. Thad Cochran, the ranking Republican on the Senate Appropriations Committee, topped the list of senators receiving earmarks, with a total of $653 million.

Alaska led the nation in pork per capita, at $322 a person.

Rush or Fox isn't giving you the "news" on that are they?

Posted by: Juked | April 15, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Obama feels he has to defend himself against the Fox News-backed lunatics with the tax "tea parties."

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | April 15, 2009 12:58 PM
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Yes, he MUST defend himself!
What's going on is a total outrage and it must be stopped.
FYI, many Democrats agree and joined.

Posted by: jmk55 | April 15, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

parkerfl1 - Obama is too thin skinned and feels a need to respond to anything that is anti-Obama Administration.

Posted by: ahashburn | April 15, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Just came back from a tea party and folks, it was great. It feels good to be with true Americans with American ideals. The ideals that are the foundation of this country. Obama can tout his tax breaks all he wants, because he thinks everyone is stupid enough to believe it is FREE. It is most certainly not FREE. Someone is going to have to pay for those tax breaks, and it is going to be you and me somewhere down the road. If you haven't figured that out, you need to move to China.

Posted by: candyzky | April 15, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

In addition to being an arrogant hack, Obama is not even legally President if he is not a "natural born" citizen.

Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Barry Soetoro trots out victims of government burdensome over arching policies and proclaims those that invest, create jobs and PAY the MOST TAXES must do more to care for them. He disdains the America that is strong and the envy of the world because of its economy and freedoms. He is a Socialist. He wants to redistribute wealth. He wants government to control where your hard earned income goes, not the market place. It is the stereotypical liberal blueprint for buying votes, demonize Capitalism and increase the base of the needy welfare recipients. He is an arrogant hack!

Posted by: ChangeWhat | April 15, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Obama feels he has to defend himself against the Fox News-backed lunatics with the tax "tea parties."

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | April 15, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

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