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Vice President Biden speaks on the stimulus program during an earlier trip to tout it in Cincinnati.(Al Behrman/Associated Press)

Updated 3:51 p.m.
By Michael D. Shear and Alexi Mostrous
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) landed a fresh blow in a tit-for-tat battle with Vice President Biden today after the latter accused the senior Republican lawmaker of smearing the administration's $787 billion stimulus package.

Cantor called an afternoon news conference to pre-empt remarks Biden is expected to make today in Richmond in support of the recovery bill, excerpts of which were obtained in advance by The Washington Post.

"To those who say that our economic decisions 'have not produced jobs, have not produced and simply have not worked' I say, take a look around," Biden will say while visiting Cantor's home district.

"I say, 'Don't let your opposition to the Recovery Act blind you to its results. Come see what I see everywhere I go: workers rehired, factories reopened, cops on the street, teachers in the classroom, progress toward getting our economy back on the move.'"

Without naming Cantor directly, the rhetorical assault is aimed squarely at the Richmond lawmaker, who has helped lead the Republican Party to its most effective message since Obama became president: that Obama's stimulus bill has not produced jobs.

At this afternoon's news conference, Cantor said that since the stimulus bill passed, unemployment had increased in Richmond, in Virginia and across the country.

"The president seems to be concerned about anything but creating jobs," he said. "Millions of jobs will be crushed by this administration's policies."

Cantor said he hoped Biden "takes some time to hear from job creators today and I know that if he listens he will hear them telling him to stop penalizing their small businesses."

Seeking to pre-empt Biden's planned remarks that tens of millions of dollars in stimulus money have saved teacher jobs in Chesterfield County and police officers in Richmond, Cantor said: "Where I'm looking is where families of Virginia and America are looking and that's at the unemployment rate, which is skyrocketing. The reality is that people are losing their jobs. Families are going into economic free-fall."

In the weekly Republican radio address he delivered for his party last week, Cantor called the Recovery Act a "bill full of pork barrel spending, government waste and massive borrowing cleverly called 'stimulus.' Obama's economic decisions have not produced jobs, have not produced prosperity and simply have not worked."

Biden, for his part, is expected to take direct aim at that contention. "I ask those critics.... Would they not help the states prevent lay off thousands of teachers, firefighters, cops?" Biden will say in the remarks. "Would they not give a tax cut to 95 percent of the American people? Would they sit back and do nothing as our economy collapsed?"

Biden's speech is part of a newly aggressive White House effort to counter Republican criticism of the stimulus, which has mounted as unemployment has continued to rise.

White House officials concede that Republicans have effectively stoked questions about why the stimulus spending has not created or saved more jobs. In Michigan this week, newspapers and local officials greeted President Obama with tough words about the stimulus as he arrived for an education speech.

But the White House argues that the Republican opposition has been misleading, and has decided to be more aggressive in pointing out what administration officials say are hyperbolic accusations from the GOP.

When Republican Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) last week claimed that "there hasn't been a contract let, to my knowledge" because of the stimulus package, the White House quickly pounced.

Biden traveled to Ohio to urge patience and attack Republicans for seeking to "do nothing" to improve the economy. He also pointed out that millions of dollars from the stimulus bill had in fact already been spent in the state.

By taking aim at Cantor, the White House hopes to make an example of Republicans who they say are trying to take both sides on the stimulus issue.

Although Cantor has been outspoken in his criticism of the stimulus bill as wasteful and not effective, he recently joined his congressional colleagues in urging Virginia's transportation
department to apply for stimulus money for high-speed rail, a pet project of his.

Today, Cantor said that his constituents "overwhelmingly" supported the high-speed rail line between Richmond and Washington, DC, but added: "Despite my heart felt support for high-speed rail, the merit of this one project does not excuse the thousands of others that do not create jobs."

Posted at 1:25 PM ET on Jul 16, 2009  | Category:  Economy
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Ha! "Rock 'em Sock 'em" Joe Biden vs. wimpy wampy Cantor of the party of "no."

Sorry: Big Boy Biden 1 and Crying Cranky Cantor 0

And on Cantor's turf too, LOL. That's what impresses me the most. It's one thing for Cantor to lob insults and complain from afar, in a safe place among like-minded noers without a plan of their own. But I've never, ever seen Joe Biden turn down a fight for something he belives in on any turf, anywhere, and with anybody. It's a major reason I respect Biden and why he is such a brilliant foreign policy expert. You have to have nerve, loyalty, intelligence and convictions. Obama did well.

Love ya, Joe Biden. No fear no fear!

Posted by: NBSsacramento | July 19, 2009 7:15 AM

Notice the jobs Biden mentions all do not produce anything. Someone else has to have a job to pay for them! "Police, Teachers, Firefighters". Not knocking these admiral professions, but does this administration not understand that there actually has to be private sector jobs to pay for the public sector? (No answer required...we all the the answer, they've made it quite clear they don't)

Posted by: markjohnson1974 | July 19, 2009 1:16 AM

The republican argument is the stupidest I have ever heard. If its bad with a stimulus how bad would it have been without one!! And the republican tax cut is worthless, completely worthless.

Posted by: elderbetty | July 19, 2009 1:02 AM

It's time the responsible journalist ask of Biden that he show the public his own fortune and family accounts, review his retirement income and ask him this question, "Are you, the President and the congress going to give up your own tax paid health plan and use the very same one you expect the American public to approve of, if not then why would we want it?"

If you are going to sell snake oil to the public, then you had best drink your own concoction in front of them and not make a wry face in the process.

Posted by: ONTIME | July 18, 2009 9:48 PM

I wonderif the obamanators enforced mandatory soviet style socialist rationed healtcare will be able to heal Bidens foot in mouth and head in arse diseases?

Posted by: blackpitbull | July 18, 2009 10:38 AM

Even a Moron (I mean a typical, uninformed Obama voter who didn't even know who his VP was, right before the election. Remember?) can connect the dots to the correct conclusion when someone says they need to spend more money to stay out of bankruptcy. I'm so glad they let Biden go around the country running his mouth. It's just about the only pleasure I get out of observing this trainwreck.

Posted by: SirTennyson | July 18, 2009 8:36 AM

The American people should file a class action suit to force Obama to provide a valid birth certificate. Until then we should stop giving our money to Washington until Obama proves he is legally allowed to hold the office of President of the United States of America. We really do need a tax revolt NOW! What we have now is Taxation with Mis-representation and that my friends is criminal!

Posted by: rrpat | July 18, 2009 8:35 AM

Biden must have forgotten that the Republicans did offer an alternate stimulus plan for half the cost that was actually targeted at actually stimulating the economy. The Post could have mentioned this to make the story fair and balanced.

Posted by: garytzzz | July 18, 2009 8:31 AM

What can I say? I bet 25% of the morons who voted for Obama have no idea who Joe Biden is.

Posted by: Holy_Underwear | July 18, 2009 6:03 AM

You know, Joe Bi. can say whatever he wants, all the money this Federal Govenmet has spent mainly in "pay back" money, is NOT stimulus, not even close. this guy is a fat bag of wind, he has no idea of what's going on in his own Country, that's not all bad either.

For those of you Dems. and other TOTAL dependants on Government be advised, the Economy is NOT strengthening when you have double digit unemployment, that's 2 million peole out of work, and a Dow Indsutrial Average that is around 8200 give or takea few points. About a year and a half ago, the unemployment rate was around 5% and the Dow stood at nearly 14,000. You dummie that supported this clown for President and all his surrogates have now caused not only us, but you nitiwts to lose about half the wealth in your 401K's and otyher savings for college or for retirement, congratulations on a colassal dumb ass move. So, how's that hope and change working out for you? Ask yoursleves, if you're out of work, how long can you survive without money coming in, Hmmmmmmmmmmm? God bless America and her Free Market System, maybe, just maybe, I and those that think as I do can make it through this morons' administration fairly unscathed financially and otherwise. Talk to you in a few years hopefully by then most of us will be gainfully employed again. In the mnean time, enjoy Joe Biden's nit wit remarks.

Posted by: solodrums09 | July 18, 2009 2:33 AM

Had there been no stimulus package, all these comments bashing the OB policies would be about how the lazy inexperienced administration did nothing to keep our country from falling into a fiscal mess. Where we are are right now is not a telling sign of how his stimulus package will work, its where we are in 1-3 years.

Obama made very clear that the package would not help immediately. I usually stray away from the "your stupid because I say so" comments (which come from both sides, but on this discussion in particular, mostly repubies) that fill these comments up, I will make clear that anyone who thinks the state of our economy can be fixed in less than a year or two, well your pretty stupid.

If by the end of his first term, things keep going the way they are, I'm voting conservative. But the fact of the matter is it's way too soon to see if anything the admin is doing right now is actually working. My advice is stop hoping the president will fail simply because you can't swallow some pride.

Posted by: libmoderate | July 18, 2009 2:09 AM

I take offense at those who accuse Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden of not being truthful about lowering taxes. Since they have come into office MY taxes have been lowered just as they promised. Of course I don't have a job now, but my tax burden has been reduced - - - significantly. Thank you Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden. Keep up the great work!

Posted by: newhope2 | July 18, 2009 2:04 AM

"When you see the abuse of power, you've got to speak."

-- VP candidate Joseph Biden, Aug. 27, 2008, Democratic National Convention

***

Are DOMESTIC 'HIT SQUADS' THE REAL 'ASSASSINATION RING' STORY?

THE EXTRAJUDICIAL PUNISHMENT MATRIX:

AN IDEOLOGICALLY-DRIVEN SOCIAL PURGE THAT VIOLATES THE HUMAN AND CIVIL RIGHTS OF INNOCENT BUT 'TARGETED' U.S. CITIZENS...


And federal citizen volunteer programs fund the GPS-activated "community gang stalkers" who are terrorizing their neighbors as police look the other way...

...harassing, vandalizing, destroying their livelihoods as their health is degraded by widely-deployed microwave and laser radiation "directed energy weapons" -- the long-feared weaponization of the electromagnetic spectrum.

And Congress and the mainstream media are largely unaware.

A parallel array of federal "programs of personal financial destruction" slowly decimate the family finances of "target" families -- surely a factor in the mortgage meltdown that precipitated the global financial crisis.

And Congress and the mainstream media are largely unaware.

When victims complain, they are told there is "nothing to investigate."

True -- because federal and local authorities KNOW ALL ABOUT IT.

Will Congress, the national press corps, and Team Obama wake up and realize that democracy and human rights are being stolen at the GRASSROOTS?


http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | July 17, 2009 10:49 PM

Biden here is using the famous political technique of the Nazis who discovered that the bigger the Lie you tell the more likely you are to be believed. Furthermore if you repeat a Big Lie enough times and with enough apparent conviction a significant number of people will believe you. This is happening of course with Health Care ("fix a broken system," "Americans are demanding it," etc.), cap and trade, everything the Liberals say, in fact. They are really divided into two groups: the healthier ones are just crooks who know that they are lying but it has no impact since they have no guilt or conscience. The sicker ones have replaced any sense of discernment with a psychotic approach to life where the most expedient and self serving perspective automatically becomes their reality.

Posted by: wbeattymd | July 17, 2009 10:32 PM

SWAMPYPD, what in the world are you talking about?

Bush cut taxes in his 1st term and the economy went humming along IN SPITE of the fact we were fighting 2 wars. December 08 failures came after the Democrats took both houses of congress in 07 and bloated Bush's budget and caused the beginnings of the economic meltdown.

Posted by: dcunning30 | July 17, 2009 10:29 PM

Who's tappin' your phone Tex?

Posted by: JohnQuimby | July 17, 2009 10:15 PM

It's no longer an amused "Oh, that's just our Joe"...it is a very serious statement of the juvenile and frightening Apple Dumpling Gang in charge of our country!! What is this garbage: 50 Czars, phoney "stimulus packages" going to Obama doners, unions and favorite projects (Acorn!!) We are becoming a Banana Republic right before our eyes, aided and abetted by Reid, Pelosi,Boxer et al. They count on the "masses" being too stupid,lazy or naive to realize how much debt and governmental control is in these
"feel good" impossible schemes. In 3rd world countries there is no Middle Class, only The Leaders and the Masses. Don't plan to get out of the masses if Obama's plans succeed; there is no place to go but down. The top is reserved for the government Fellow Travelers.

Posted by: vltg | July 17, 2009 8:34 PM

I am hoping for change real fast from this loon circus of the Obama Administration.

Posted by: dmarshall1 | July 17, 2009 8:16 PM

Ericso_1968:
"Hey, you can't deny Biden's a joke. Bush destroyed many of our freedoms, but......"

O.K. Mr. loose-talkin' lib, I challenge you to name ONE freedom you lost during GWB's administration. Name one lost by anyone you know, other than the terrorists you know. If you don't answer this, your gonads are in your ears.

Posted by: TexasSlim | July 17, 2009 8:05 PM

It continues to amaze me that people think the Democrats or the Republicans are to blame. These problems in our country are not party problems. Listen, it is both parties that have caused the decline of America. We need to pay attention to INDIVIDUAL office holders - and those that are antiAmerican, antiConstitutional, and anti anything that is good for us, or the USA need to be identified, exposed and thrown out of office. There are good, solid Republicans and good, solid Democrats. Do something constructive. Want to take action?

www.putamericafirst.net

Maybe not the total answer, but a start.
Yes, WE THE PEOPLE got us here and WE THE PEOPLE can change things for the better IF we act together.

Posted by: gungcap | July 17, 2009 7:50 PM

I hope the Obama-Obiden voters are happy with their "Change".The change left in their pockets may keep them awake in the soup line.I thought Dan Quayle was the ultimate idiot elected to office, but along comes Biden. Obama chose the perfect idiot to sit on his knee.As long as CNN and MeSSNBC are on the air most ignorant subjects will curse Bush and bow down to Obama even as jobs go away and and Biden hides in a villa in the Caribbean throwing lavish parties for all of their cronies. I imagine the economy looks DAMN good from their perch. The only ones to benefit are the crowds overseas who cater Obama and Bidens outrageous junkets.

Posted by: Datamanstan | July 17, 2009 7:33 PM

Cantor can show all of the republican figures he wants to show but the B ush tax cuts gave us 7 million more people out of work in Dec. 08 than in Dec.01 and 4and1/2 million was factory jobs. In 2005 one month Bush bragged that the tax cuts produced 111,000 new jobs and under his headline the first words was even though there was 204,000 new claims for unemployment the economy eas looking good. Now any first grade student can see that 204,000 id more than 111,000 but he was not the one who told about the 204,000.

Posted by: SWAMPYPD | July 17, 2009 7:04 PM

Is this some sort of Seinfeld Bizzaro moment? You know, where Biden says the opposite of what he means? Like "It's working" and "We have to spend money to avoid going bankrupt." What has happened to my country?

Posted by: rightontheleftcoast | July 17, 2009 6:48 PM

Biden like Gore is the oracle of the administration. What a visionary!
His boss isn't half bad himself.

Posted by: oig123 | July 17, 2009 5:34 PM

"It's working!"

Remember how they tore up Bush over his "Mission accomplished" comment?

Imagine what the media would be doing right now if a GOP was in office and all else being the same, said 'It's working!" The media would be all over that with stats of increasing joblessness, increasing mortgage foreclosures, and a massive deficit, and tearing up the person who made the comment that 'It's working.'

And where is the 'everywhere I go' that Biden sees factories reopening, and people being re-hired? And when he wakes up after, what does he have for breakfast?

Two more years of this insanity. The USA will be gone as we know it by the time these fools get done having their way at last.

Posted by: rs1123 | July 17, 2009 5:19 PM

Yep, it's working all right. That's why 15 states are now reporting 10 percent or higher (Michigan is at 15 percent) unemployment rate.

Dear God (yes, I said God; I guess that makes me a religious nut because I didn't say Dear Obama or Der Leader), what is happening to our once great nation and more importantly, can we stop it before it's too late.

Posted by: miltwnow | July 17, 2009 5:13 PM

Considering the dumbed-down morons who are allowed to vote in this country (observe all the stupid, overweight, tattoo covered, unkempt slobs next time you go to a public event), I guess I shouldn't be surprised the idiot team of Obama-Biden could actually be elected to any public office!

20 years ago when there was some semblance of intelligence in the country, a person would have been considered a nut case if they said these people would have a chance of being elected. If the majority of people in this country believe half the crap coming out of the mouth of this Biden idiot, we're doomed!

It is heartening to see most of the comments posted here though. Renews my faith there are some intelligent people left in this country!

20 years ago when there was some sembilence of intelligence in the country, a person would have been considered a nut case if they said these people would have a chance of being elected.
If the majority of people in this country believe half the crap coming out of the mouth of this Biden idiot, we're doomed!
It is heartening to see most of the comments posted here though. Renews my faith there are some intelligent people left in this country!

Posted by: jdough | July 17, 2009 4:06 PM

Joey Plugs is a dangerous fool.

And since Biden has been consistently on the wrong side of history over the last 30 years… his DNC-vaunted foreign policy “experience” has little value, as this hack doesn’t appear to have learned a thing.

He opposed every step of Reagan’s defense buildup that won the cold war, and later proposed surrender and 3-way partition in Iraq. He frequently appears to have no idea what he’s talking about, but this has little effect on the level of audio output from this mother-of-all-loose-cannons.

Biden really shouldn’t be let out the door unless chained to a TelePromTer.
Like we need a LOL Czar, what an embarassment.

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com

Posted by: ReaganiteRepublican | July 17, 2009 2:52 PM

Joe thinks it's 'working' because it's doing what they want it to do... destroy the country.
Welcome to the Obama Depression.

Posted by: erkeltheusurper | July 17, 2009 2:48 PM

xjug1987 said:

"It is no coincidence that our present troubles parallel and are proportionate to the intervention and intrusion in our lives that result from unnecessary and excessive growth of government."

Yeah, we know all about Conservative leadership since Reagan.

We'll be paying for it for a long time.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | July 17, 2009 2:39 PM

Like Barack, Biden is lieing filth.
My God. How long will we wait until we tear down our Government and rebuild it as the U.S. Constitution gives us the right to in the event of an oppressive and controlling government?

Posted by: sofasurferlinux | July 17, 2009 2:31 PM

"Biden traveled to Ohio to urge patience and attack Republicans for seeking to "do nothing" to improve the economy. He also pointed out that millions of dollars from the stimulus bill had in fact already been spent in the state".

Got news for you JOE I last worked in 2008 September as a production supervisor and I filed taxes at 43 thousand ..now back to work again part time as a Green Bean Grader at a food plant as of July at 7.50 an hour...by the way I live in OHIO and hope you have the same success as me in 2012 the stimulus sucks OK read my lips LOL

Posted by: Gary-BG | July 17, 2009 2:14 PM

With the Nation in a deep recession, the Democrats in the House Of Representatives, without even knowing the content, blundered thru Obama's "Cap and Tax Bill". Anyone who understands the proliferation of energy costs throughout our economy recognizes this as legislation that could well topple our Nation into a depression. Pure fiscal insanity. For the Kool-aid addicts who believed Obama when he said that he would give a tax break to 95% of Americans, hold on to you wallets and prepare for the largest single regressive tax increase in American history. This "Global Warming" fraud will prove to be the biggest jobs killer ever conceived; and, simply ship millions of America jobs overseas to countries such as China and India. The next time you hear the ranting of an Obamanite, ask them why there is "NO" statistical correlation between atmospheric CO2 levels and global temperatures (the latter which actually have slightly decreased over the last decade) -and- why the temperature variations on Mars tracks identically with that on earth. ((Hint: the Sun is the only common denominator.)) Now you know why the inventor of the internet, Albert Gore, refuses to debate the issue. The logic in this dilemma is exceedingly simple, our Dictatorial Marxist, Barack Obama, simply wants more control over your activities and lifestyle; and, the health of the American economy be dammed. It's essential that we clean house in the upcoming elections. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: gneubeck1 | July 17, 2009 2:11 PM

Joe Biden is proof that in America, ANYTHING is possible.


But great as our tax burden is, it has not kept pace with public spending. For decades we have piled deficit upon deficit, mortgaging our future and our children's future for the temporary convenience of the present. To continue this long trend is to guarantee tremendous social, cultural, political, and economic upheavals.

You and I, as individuals, can, by borrowing, live beyond our means, but for only a limited period of time. Why, then, should we think that collectively, as a nation, we're not bound by that same limitation?

The economic ills we suffer have come upon us over several decades. They will not go away in days, weeks, or months, but they will go away.

It is no coincidence that our present troubles parallel and are proportionate to the intervention and intrusion in our lives that result from unnecessary and excessive growth of government.

All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create the states; the states created the federal government.

In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.

Ronald Reagan Inaugural Address January 20, 1981

Posted by: xjug1987 | July 17, 2009 1:55 PM

Enjoy your time in office, Joe. You'll only see one term. DC must be on a different planet or in the Twilight Zone. Too bad so many out there believe what they are selling.

Posted by: NHBrat | July 17, 2009 1:54 PM

I was wondering where Bagdad Bob went to. Lo and Behold he's our current Vice President. Or should we call him our Minister of Misinformation?
Good job Joe the Schmo.

Posted by: sshepherd1 | July 17, 2009 1:53 PM

Yeah!! Let's send those stimulus dollars to Iraq where we can hire halliburton to flush it down a toilet!!!
Why spend it America!!!! Oh except for Cantor's personal rail project from his district to Washington D.C.!!

Posted by: The-Historian | July 17, 2009 1:50 PM

Don’t the empty eyes and the cosmetically recovered anencephalic smile say a lot about the man?

What would Joe be able to do if he were in the private sector?

Posted by: ApplyCS | July 17, 2009 1:48 PM

This guy is smarter than whom?
There are smarter ROCKS out there.
He's scary.
It is really scary that you can be that stupid and still be held ( in some circles ) as - well I can't imagine what.
And his stinky boss - the big BO - isn't any better. He's so smart we can't see any of his transcripts because they'd be so over-whelming. God help us all.

Posted by: AV1RICK | July 17, 2009 1:42 PM

Eric Cantor is so much brighter than our nitwit VP. I hope the VA residences show nitwit Biden a good "shovel ready" project like scooping all the BS that the administration is trying to feed the American public.

Posted by: oroudconserv | July 17, 2009 1:41 PM

Biden did it again!!! What a baffoon! It's not working...the economy is in the crapper and all this President can do is write letters to the Washington Post telling everyone he is an imperfect Father. Who the hell cares???! Fix the economy....!!!! You just want to tax us to death to stay in office....!!!!! Cantor is right!!!!!

Posted by: dhg32msa | July 17, 2009 1:40 PM

Joe Biden, THE Village Idiot.

Posted by: whitter | July 17, 2009 1:27 PM

The vice president once again proves the point that a representative republic works poorly when too many of its voters are stupid.

Posted by: MarkCarlton | July 17, 2009 1:17 PM

Good 'ol Joe. The ultimate example of the truth of the "Peter Principal"! Now he is claiming that we must SPEND our way out of bankruptcy!
A personal note:
Joe, podex perfectus es!

Posted by: socrates55 | July 17, 2009 1:16 PM

The Emperor isn’t naked. He’s fully clothed. Just ask Joe.

Posted by: dvt1 | July 17, 2009 1:11 PM

Hey BLUE states - How's that "HOPE & CHANGE" working for you? LOL

Posted by: DontBlameMeIVoted4McCain | July 17, 2009 1:06 PM

Again, Mr. Biden does not have a clue. How can he not see the unemployment/job loss percentage figures across the country is growing and growing. Soon we will be way above 10%. Here in Minneapolis there are literally thousands of people out of work and there are no jobs available. I don't know what he is thinking.

I believe the last figure I heard ws that only about 6% of the stimulus package money has been let out and most of it won't be released for another 1 1/2 to two years. Unfortunately we need jobs now. It will all come home to roost on Mr. O as he is the one who has created this total fiasco.

Posted by: nancycrichton | July 17, 2009 1:00 PM

It must be nice to live in Biden's world, where everything is rosy and fun, and the sun is always shining. Unfortunately, most Americans live in the real world and know comments like his are nonsense. Honestly, the man seems more like a mental midget with every statement.

Posted by: Lilycat1 | July 17, 2009 12:59 PM

If Joe said so it must be so. It has to be so if Joe said so. How could this idiot be so if he didn't say so. You know Joe said so.

Posted by: dsmaltze | July 17, 2009 12:43 PM

Joey Pluggs is a dangerous fool.

And since Biden has been consistently on the wrong side of history over the last 30 years… his DNC-vaunted foreign policy “experience” has little value… this aparatchik doesn’t appear to have learned a thing.

He opposed every step of Reagan’s defense buildup that won the cold war, and later proposed surrender and 3-way partition in Iraq. He frequently appears to have no idea what he’s talking about, but this has little effect on the quantity of output from this mother-of-all-loose-cannons. Biden really shouldn’t be let out the door unless chained to a TelePromTer.

What a schlameel

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com

Posted by: ReaganiteRepublican | July 17, 2009 12:39 PM

Welcome to the ObamaNation!

Posted by: markewalton | July 17, 2009 12:33 PM

Those who can, do. Those who can't, become vice president.

Posted by: tired170 | July 17, 2009 12:28 PM

This is incredibly just too much to contemplate. I gave up. We the people will NOT get any relief or support from ANY politician in washington. Its a done deal. There is only two ways to settle the issue.
1. vote all the crazed liberals out of office in 2010. THAT can be done because we outnumber them better than 3 to 1. It can be done.
2. In case the lazy wont get off thier arses and go vote them out then the other alternative is revolt and civil war to eliminate the extremists.

Due to my age and health, I chose a third option. I went back to school on my unemployment money, [that was tough] graduated and got a job as a teacher in a prison. Its not what i WANT to do but, it pays the bills, its supported by liberal socialists and no one else will take the job. The pay is good too. There is no real requirement to teach the inmates anything, just go thru the motions and babysit them for 8 hours a day. THere are no failures, they all get diplomas to use during their life sentences.Its permanent job security. Ya gotta watch out for yourself, cause the govt will just screw ya to death if ya dont. Use your head and survive. Then get the evil liberals thrown out of office.

Posted by: blackpitbull | July 17, 2009 12:08 PM

How was this idiot elected?

Posted by: topat5 | July 17, 2009 11:51 AM

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
ACORN

Posted by: DontBlameMeIVoted4McCain | July 17, 2009 12:03 PM

One of the posters to this article commented that it must be nice to be a Republican and do nothing. Damn right, get the Govt the hell out of the way and let democracy work. Let the deadbeats go back to work and quit sponging off the rest of us.

Posted by: topat5 | July 17, 2009 11:55 AM

Funny how China's stimulus plan is working as it invests in real infrastructure projects involving real tangible imputs like steel, concrete and honest work. obama's "stimulus" involves payoffs for subjective studies and other liberal BS that dosent do anything for the country. How was this idiot elected? Why do some intellectually underendowed liberals not understand they will be paying for this? Liberalism is truly a mental disorder

Posted by: topat5 | July 17, 2009 11:51 AM

Biden's an idiot, does ANYONE really believe ANYTHING he says?

Posted by: johns_51 | July 17, 2009 11:38 AM

Another day and another example of Cloward-Piven Strategy to overwhelm the system. These thieves have run up more debt in six months than all the presidents combined and that includes two world wars and a civil war! Interest only is costing us a billion dollars a day.
We are $$$$$$$$$$$$$12,000,000,000,
000.00 in debt with more coming that will continue to crush the economy and cause more job lose.

Are these people stupid or evil?

--
As a Russian leader once said, "we will destroy you not with missiles but from within." We are now beginning to see the handwriting on the wall. This was our first inept and uneducated generation and they only needed a slick and glib flim-flam man... Ladies and gentlemen meet Barack Obama..."THE ONE"!

Posted by: Mickey1776 | July 17, 2009 11:30 AM

When Biden stated that we the consumers need to spend, it was a cruel statement in the face of so many jobless, so many families in financial catastrophe, and so many businesses closed.

The ugliest part of this Statesman' words is what was not mentioned; the unbridled expansion of the Federal Government, the only segment of the economy that is rapidly expanding. With each and every new policy that the President wants to pass this translates to more Government growth and expansion, and most of all, the governments steady intrusion into our daily lives.

The last and most dangerous is that this President wants to speed up the passage of the bills that support his various policies. Remember, this means that he and his cabinet not only expect but are demanding the quick passage without allowing our elected officials in Congress to even read these bills.

The Socialized Health insurance program is 1000 (one thousand) pages long, and he wants the Congress members to pass the bill within hours after recieving this volumnous paged bill.

In a court case, no attorney (the Congress) nor their clients (the US citizen) would ever sign any document without reading the fine print. But our President expects this. He wants to make this process of reading the fine print an unnecessary duty, and he demands that we take his word on it and sign on the dotted line. If this is not the actions of a Dictator then what is?

Posted by: rsbnola | July 17, 2009 11:26 AM

Will Mr. Biden cite his sources for all the re-hired workers, and cops on the street and factories re-opened? No he won't because it is BS> He can't cite any sources that are credible as there are none, it is just another snow job from the destructive left.

Posted by: stodolaj1 | July 17, 2009 11:21 AM

I think Obama is a reincarnation of this idiot and he is trying to purge the country too...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Ezhov

Posted by: DontBlameMeIVoted4McCain | July 17, 2009 11:18 AM

Well, the Congressional Budget Office has issued their report.

I will paraphraze in my own words what they have concluded.

Obama's economic policies are making the economic failure of the United States a certainty! Should cap-and-trade and Obama's healthcare reform passes, we will be at the point of no return toward economic meltdown. I never imagined our generation will know what it's like to live during a depression.

If you ObamaBots are still woozy by the risidual effects from the election pixi dust, go read it for yourselves.

http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=328

Posted by: dcunning30 | July 17, 2009 11:04 AM

What a sewer of wingnuts this is.

It's always a lot easier to trash something than build it, and that's what republicans excel at --destruction. Just look what they did to this country-- my god.

Posted by: drindl | July 17, 2009 11:01 AM

Jerzy, you are so correct!

I warned people that their vote for Obama would bring Chicago style corrupt politics to a national level, but they were so entranced by the "Change you can believe in" mantra that they ignored me.

Just recently, the Obama White House tried to blackmail John Kyl into silence because he was so forcefully criticizing Obama's wreckless spending.

Obama's henchmen sent a letter to the Arizona govorner stating that if she doesn't get Kyl to shut up, Arizona would not get the stimulus money that was designated to that state.

Posted by: dcunning30 | July 17, 2009 10:47 AM

Yesterday Joe Biden summarized the Democratic position by telling a dumbstruck audience, "We have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt."

Pay attention, Democrats: 1) you don't spend your way out of debt by incurring greater debt, and 2) the federal government is already well beyond the threshold for bankruptcy.

And by the way, this Stimulus Bill is nothing more than a slush fund for payoffs to Obama cronies in exchange for their support and other political favors. Just look at who is getting the money for such worthless projects.

So, welcome to Chicago Democratic machine politics—all of America is now for sale.

Posted by: Jerzy | July 17, 2009 10:35 AM

stwoodworth, Joe's not a sevant. He's a Democrat. Democrats can get away with just about anything, except agreeing with Republicans.

Remember the ONLY ex-KKK leader in government, Democrat Robert Byrd? A few years ago, he used the *N* word on national TV, and several black Democrats defended him.

Remember when John Edwards was cheating on his wife while she was fighting for her life against cancer? The media ignored this story for about 6 months until National Enquirer outed Edwards with pictures hof him visiting his mistress and his love child?

And recall when Joe said Obama was the first articulate, clean, and well spoken black to run for president? Not one peep from black Democrats in protest.

Posted by: dcunning30 | July 17, 2009 10:21 AM

People go to this YouTube and watch it may wake everyone up! The man who produced it has been called to the White House for a private meeting with BO! I am sure his family is not safe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 17, 2009 10:08 AM

Obama and Biden can spin donkey dung into gold..................

Posted by: MSSpahr | July 17, 2009 10:03 AM

When he tilts his head just to the right, he looks a lot like Spiro Agnew. The big difference between them, of course, is that Joe hasn't been caught. He must be some sort of savant, because no intelligent man can possibly act that stupid.

Posted by: stwoodworth | July 17, 2009 9:39 AM

Be careful of Obama's sleight of hand rhetoric. Obama, Biden and the minions go about saying the Recxovery Act is working because teachers and police officers are working.

This is slick desception. Teachers and police officers are GOVERNMENT WORKERS. No economy can survive with just government workers. You need employees in the private sector to work and pay taxes so the government workers can work. As Obama is destroying the private sector, the boost to government workers, as supported by borrowed money cannot be sustained!

IT'S TOMFOOLERY!

Posted by: dcunning30 | July 17, 2009 9:29 AM

Poll numbers dropping like a rock, dummycrats?? Borrow another TRILLION from the Chinese, put our kids FURTHER in hock. Maybe it will help.

Posted by: DickTuck | July 17, 2009 9:26 AM

if you want to make a statement now to both party . its something that sends a strong signal go change your voting registration to independent

Posted by: getsix1 | July 17, 2009 9:00 AM

Joe Biden has never been known for his conservative stances on anything, but if he were not playing offense for Obama there is no way that Joe Biden would be supporting this type of spend, spend, spend policy.

He has been around too long to really believe this will work. How sad that even a lifelong career politician like Biden would prostitute himself for this President's failed ideas. How can he face himself in the mirror each morning?

Shame on you Joe!

Posted by: PickMark | July 17, 2009 8:59 AM

THIS is what we had in '06 when dim-0s were running for control of congress promising "CHANGE." How're yall liking the "CHANGE?"

2006 unemployment #s
4.7...jan.
4.8...feb.
4.7...march
4.7...april
4.7...may
4.6...june
4.7...july
4.7...aug.
4.5...sep.
4.4...oct.
4.5...nov.
4.4...dec.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000


When Republicans had both houses and the WH..........................

http://www.icmarc.org/xp/rc/marketview/ ... oduct.html

The 1st quarter of '06 saw 4.8% growth in GDP. Then came dimos running for control of congress promising "CHANGE." They won, and after 2 years in power, things HAVE "CHANGED" GDP growth is now - 6%. Happy with your "CHANGE?"

Posted by: homefried1 | July 17, 2009 8:56 AM

Good Americans don't throw away taxpayer money, Obammy and the Spendathons do. The unemployment rate is now HIGHER that that Obammy said it would be if we didn't go this far into hock to the Chinese. Their excuse?? "We didn't know whow BAD it was" SO YOU BOYS SPENT THE LAST TWO YEARS RUNNING CONGRESS BY NOT READING WHAT WAS IN FRONT OF YOU, RIGHT???
Just as you don't read what you are trying to shove down our throats NOW, Right?

Posted by: DickTuck | July 17, 2009 8:52 AM

"I say, 'Don't let your opposition to the Recovery Act blind you to its results. Come see what I see everywhere I go: workers rehired, factories reopened, cops on the street, teachers in the classroom, progress toward getting our economy back on the move.'"

Ummmm... Where is this happening? In Biden's imagination? Dayton, Ohio just had to lay off 6 police officers... Just like the rest of this Administration, Biden is incompetent.

Posted by: dgf999 | July 17, 2009 8:49 AM

I look around and I see:

Mortgage rates up to 5.57%
Unemployment up to 9.4%
Trade deficit up 2.2%
National Debt up to $11.5 trillion
Unfunded liabilities up to $50.5 trillion
Personal debt of every America up to $207,887
Cost of Socialized medicine up to $5,000 per person
Cost of Cap and Trade up to $4,800 per person
Seniors in foreclosure up to 600,000
Credit card default up 12.50%
Inflation up 0.2%
Gas pump prices up 13.9%
Consumer prices up 0.1%

Major stock markets down 35%
Federal Tax revenues down 34%
Citizen's wealth down $1.3 trillion
Gross Domestic Product down 5.7% 1st Quarter
Manufacturing down to lowest level since 1967
U.S. dollar drops in balue against the Euro 0.2%

Biden must be looking at the world through liberal tinted lenses. All he can talk about is jobs that are non-existant.

Posted by: dave_defeese | July 17, 2009 8:44 AM

Notice the ObamaBots stopped trying to defend Obama and his minions MONTHS ago. It's clear Obama is indefensable, he's wreching the country and everyone knows it.

All the ObamaBots do is to attack the critics.

Posted by: dcunning30 | July 17, 2009 8:36 AM

Hair Club for Men - I channel Neil Kinnock - thank you MBNA - spend your way out of bankruptcy- Biden is the gift that keeps on giving - to the GOP, that is. A new stupid remark about once a week.

The party is drawing to a close and the check will come due in 2010 dummycrats.

Posted by: DickTuck | July 17, 2009 8:29 AM

Wake up!!! There is no difference between BO and GWB. BO is taking us down the same path as GWB, just at a different speed. Unless we get rid of ALL the bozos in DC, America as we know it will no longer exist. Pay attention and educate yourself, there is a big push for a global socialist goverment. Climate change BS (cap and trade) and bankrupting America is the final step in achieving this goal.

Posted by: AC33 | July 17, 2009 8:23 AM

truble2301, huh? That's just a gratuitous partisan attack. There's lo logic or history to cooberate your statement. Regarding Biden, we have LOTS of examples cooberating the assessment that Biden is a buffoon.

Posted by: dcunning30 | July 17, 2009 7:38 AM

Cantor is a moron -- he makes Sarah Palin look smart and polished. I'm embarrassed to be his constituent. Not that it matters, because Eric is far more concerned with Eric's future than with the people he's supposed to be representing.

Posted by: truble2301 | July 17, 2009 7:33 AM

Biden is the dumbest Vice President I ever saw. Worse than Quayle by far. Where are they hiring ? Kates Restaurant in Wilmington where he claims he goes often? Kates closed 15 yrs ago

Posted by: dencal26 | July 17, 2009 7:16 AM

Can anyone dispute the fact that the Obama spending budget will have our grandchildrens grandchildren paying the interest on this debt and not even paying down on the principle? It amazes me that people defend what is going wrong now by going back and showing where a republican did wrong. Folks, it doesn't matter who is screwing us, we are getting screwed period! Government run agencies...Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, AMTRAK, the US Postal Service, The federal Retirement system, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Public Education, Welfare, The War on Poverty, FDIC and several more are ALL BANKRUPT! Government runs progarms into financial ruin!

Posted by: rrpat | July 17, 2009 7:03 AM

Biden is incompetent. Obama is naive. America is bankrupt.

Posted by: johnhiggins1990 | July 17, 2009 6:36 AM

ALMOST FOR YEARS STILL TO GO OF............ http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/

Posted by: patdolly7768 | July 17, 2009 6:06 AM

Biden makes Dan Quayle look like a genius. Experience and common sense don't mean anything to democrats. Democrats are the big losers in this election. They are the ones being laid off. They better hope Obama gets all the freebies, welfare, healthcare, and no taxes. Maybe GM, Citibank, or AIG will hire more democrats.

Posted by: myowngrandpaw | July 17, 2009 5:52 AM

Capitalism, untempered by Christian charity and virtue, will inevitably devolve into population wide exploitation. Historically, this evokes the counter-reaction of radical socialism and/or communism which we are seeing now. The source of this current crisis, which is going to get worse, is in our homes and our families and our faith. It lies squarely in our collective personal failings to exercise moral virtue as manifest in the sociocultural devastation we have experienced in the last four decades.

Posted by: phlip1671058 | July 17, 2009 4:25 AM

Biden can be dismissed as well-dressed simple minded dolt. I doubt he even writes the speeches he gives.

What I find funny is every speech these Democrat Leftists make is about saving (not producing, btw) only three kinds of jobs:

Teachers, Fire fighters and police!....thats it.

all strong public union employees. All huge contributors to the Democratic party.
They never talk about any other jobs.

I envision in the future communities of nothing but Fire fighters, police and teachers - all protecting and teaching each other..... The rest of us are not important to the Dems.

Posted by: brucerby | July 17, 2009 2:39 AM

The moment of truth is fast approaching for the survival of our Republic. After forty years of globalist indoctrination American Citizens who belive in individual freedom and liberty for themselves and future generations must unite to defeat the Beast that is confronting us.America is the beacon of freedom in the world and our elected oficials in the executive and legislative branches have dimmed the shining light that we are. AMERICA has a special ring, shout it aloud. America , something our president is ashamed of? Where does his loyalty lie? Since he was elected have you heard him say anything positive about our country? What is he apologizing to every third world dictator and fourth world shiek for? Americans should make no apologies to any of these parasites. We are the best and brightest. MAN UP CITIZENS. Clean up the scum in our government, good idea

Posted by: changeisfascism | July 17, 2009 2:15 AM

I was laid off from my job this month. Please tell me how the stimulus is working to create or save jobs when it didn't save mine or my fellow coworkers who were also laid off.

Posted by: whitehead_matt | July 17, 2009 1:34 AM

austininc4, thank you so much for such a thoughtful post. I believe you have really captured the essence of the debate. You are truly a word smith and a fantastic example of liberal’s superior intellect. That is called, sarcasm by the way. Let me save you some time, and I will respond to my post for you. I will try to include all likely misspellings and encapsulate tone of the standard liberal retort: “F you MCC23 your stupid. Obama rules!”

Posted by: MCC23 | July 17, 2009 1:20 AM

austininc4, congratulations on the most asinine, inane, flawed post I have had the displeasure of reading in at *least* a week.

Your CAPS lock BUTTON SEEMS to BE malfunctioning, YOU liberal brainwashed THRALL; and your punctuation is an affront to anybody who values flow in writing ... oh yeah, and your insinuations are obviously and laughably backwards, your premise is invisible, and your cohesiveness of argument is nonexistent.

You're lost, pal. Your post amounts to nothing but a sea of regurgitated liberal bigotry.

A more sorry string of verbiage I cannot immediately recall. Congratulations

Posted by: finsher771 | July 17, 2009 1:03 AM

If Eric Canton is the future of Virginia, than VA. is worst off than it was in 1884.

Cantor is a like George Allen, another Virgina, "BACK WOODS REPUBLICAN". I see Pat Robertson's zombies are alive and well, drinking buckets of the "STUPID KOOL-AID".

Cantor is using every Congressman and Senator in Washington, to get where he thinks he's going. Which is no place.

He's a little "CROOK", trying to "WEASEL", his way to the top of the Republican Party.

Virginia, the state with the most "NAIVE, BACK WOODS", republicans in the country.

They will believe what ever the "PARTY", tells them. (ZOMBIES)

Posted by: austininc4 | July 17, 2009 12:29 AM

I don't know, I think until we start hearing a frank and honest discussion about what bottom-line living costs will end up being, they can stimulate until the cows come home, and the long-term effect won't really help anyone. Politics as usual is about dragging people around by their wallets, trying to influence this or that so that third parties can fulfil their pet agendas, and again and again, the taxpayer/citizen is used for political and fiscal traction, and that's not the way it's supposed to work out, there.

People who live under lower tax rates tend not to need public assistance. People who live under higher tax rates end up running out of personal monies, and eventually, on the public dole when their company or whatever has to lay them off because they can't meet their own tax-related overhead. Especially right now, you're still watching businesses drop like flies, and people struggling along trying to make it in a price scale that relied on early 2007 revenue numbers, and hasn't come back down yet.

I think we're going to end up another 3 trillion in debt, I think other countries like China are going to end up with what amounts to controlling interest in this country, and meanwhile the sellouts and so forth will be making fast tracks for their beach resorts and other hideaways where they can make other little political drug deals with their foreign pals, and everyone else living in this country is going to wind up lining up for the equivalent of an eartag...

Posted by: walkerbert | July 17, 2009 12:26 AM

Oh, yeah, Mr. Biden, tell the people who--like my son-- USED TO WORK FOR QIMONDA AT Richmond's Sandston plant and about all the jobs you've created and how you're helping those who have lost jobs find new ones. Give me a moment to wretch while you can't answer that.

Cantor is the future of Virginia if those who swooned and drank the BO KoolAid ever wake up!

Posted by: persugram | July 17, 2009 12:02 AM

Will somebody please stop the world so I can get off???!!!!
Americans wanted change, so that's exactly what they got!
Biden always has been a buffoon, but now as vice-president of this country, he's a total DISGRACE!!! This "dog and pony show" needs to end already. WAKE UP AMERICA, before its TOO LATE!!!!

Posted by: tazsigray | July 16, 2009 11:57 PM

I wish I knew what Biden has been smoking because that's one great halucination. I'd love to see jobs being created as he is going to claim. I just don't see it.

Posted by: navenprime | July 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Biden is truly the Art Carney of the present administration.

Posted by: Rdvatne | July 16, 2009 11:36 PM

Ron Paul should have run for president in 1800.

We could have avoided the Mexican war, slavery would have remained Constitutional and the States could have been divided into a bunch of regional powers who fight domestic wars even as they are plundered by foreign interests. The south could have supported Hitler and we'd all be looking up at a Russian flag on the moon from our private militia compounds. There'd be no gun control either - we'd all be armed to the teeth by foreign weapons dealers serving our warlords and religious fanatics.

We'd have no public schools, no interstate road system, no central legal authority, no public institutions, no World Bank, no Health Organization, no foreign investment, no secure personal resources.

And there'd be no taxes as such, just bribes and protection payments to the local gangs. Corruption would be business as usual. It's so simple really. The guys with the hired guns would run things until we were occupied by a foreign army.

It's breathtaking but true! With Libertarians in charge - we could be Afghanistan or Africa!

I say why wait - you can move there now!

Posted by: JohnQuimby | July 16, 2009 11:34 PM

We can take this country back slowly. Vote these fools out 2010/2012. There is still time to save part of our heritage.

Posted by: havoc1 | July 16, 2009 11:29 PM

Biden is a buffoon, and Obama is wrecking the economy. If this admistration wasn't causing so much harm, we could all sit back and enjoy Biden's buffonnery.

Posted by: dcunning30 | July 16, 2009 11:19 PM

The following describe almost every justification we will hear from politicians henceforth...

Logical fallacies:
Personal attack (Ad hominem) - attacks the integrity of a person in order to weaken the argument he or she is making.

Reduction to the absurd (Reductio Ad Absurdem) - attacks an argument by extending it to such extreme lengths that it looks ridiculous.

Either-Or - sets up false alternatives, suggesting that if the inferior one must be rejected, then the other must be accepted.

False cause (post hoc ergo propter hoc) - mistakenly assumes that one event causes the other because they occur sequentially.

Bandwagon appeal (argumentum ad populum) - is based on the often dubious notion that, just because many people favor an idea, you should too.

Posted by: vacation_jimmy | July 16, 2009 10:48 PM

Yes, the democrats have made a mess of this country. THEY have been in power since 2006 (Not just since 2008 as the media would have you believe). They have spent our money foolishly and at a rapid pace, but make no mistake about it, Republicans will do the same when they get back in power (and they will). They will spend and spend on other government programs. They, too, will destroy our freedoms.
The 2 party system is a disaster. These politicians need kicked out of office. We need term limits on these crooks. They have the system rigged with "Campaign Finance Reform" so that it is difficult for any newcomer to raise money for a decent challenge. Over 85% of incumbents get re-elected.
Kick them all out next November.

Posted by: ericso_1968 | July 16, 2009 10:30 PM

RE-ELECT NO ONE!!!

The RepubliCRATS have been systematically bankrupting this country for decades.

Their goal is to turn over taxpayer money to their respective lobbyists and special interests....it matters not which group gets the money...the end result is a Den of Thieves in D.C. (Den of Corruption) bilking the taxpayer of trillions and trillions. I can't stand these people.

Once again...RE-ELECT NO ONE!!!


Posted by: tfalvelo | July 16, 2009 10:26 PM

Hey, you can't deny Biden's a joke. Bush destroyed many of our freedoms, but Obama is like Bush on steroids. Obama is a disaster and his policies will destroy our economy, capitalism, our freedom and our country, in that order. I never voted for Ron Paul, but he is looking better and better.
Neither big government Republicans, nor Demoncrats have the answer. Jefferson and Madison had it right. This country is about liberty, low taxes and a very small weak federal government.
The 2 party system is full of greed. They want all they can get. They only care about our vote and their power. The constitution does not provide for political parties. George Washington despised political parties, and now I see why. The Politicians have us arguing about Republican or Democrat, why they grab more and more power, and leave us with less and less freedom and money.

Posted by: ericso_1968 | July 16, 2009 10:20 PM

straightline-

Always happy to share facts for discussion:

April 10:
"President Obama is seeking an additional $83.4 billion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a request that will drive the cost of the two wars to nearly $1 trillion dollars since 2001."

And -

"This will be the last supplemental for Iraq and Afghanistan," said Robert Gibbs, the White House spokesman. "The process by which this has been funded . . . will change."

You said -

"Am I to believe that Obama and congress is somehow incorporating President Bush's "trillion dollar range expenditures" into his budget?? Sorry Obama and the dems wouldn't take on Bush's baggage and make themselves look even worse than they already do."

In a word, yes.

Keeping the cost of Bush's 2 wars off the books - wars on 2 fronts that he chose to fight - was dishonest to the tune of a trillion dollars.

What was never in the Bush budget is now part of the Obama budget.

Posted by: JohnQuimby | July 16, 2009 10:11 PM

OH, I almost forgot: Biden. Get a load of what this mindless left wing liberal said about spending:

"We Have to Go Spend Money to Keep From Going Bankrupt"

Uhm, maybe someone needs to tell Bidenplugs that is EXACTLY why this nation got into such a financial mess to BEGIN with.

Maybe someone should check what kind of brain damage those hair plugs have done to this idiot VEEP. Oh wait, he's a modern liberal Democrat. Never mind.......

Posted by: NobodyInParticular1 | July 16, 2009 10:09 PM

ceflynline - if you think supply side economics, Reaganomics, and tax relief doesn't stimulate the economy, then you are perhaps the most ignorant American out there. You think Social Security has been a rip roaring success? Medicare? The US Postal Service (where UPS got it's start since that government monstrosity wasn't competent enough in two day deliveries)? How about that most beloved government entity, the IRS? Are you KIDDING me? You think GOVERNMENT can run things more effectively, efficiently, and most crucially, STIMULATIVELY? What kind of mindless diatribe have you been reading/watching?

Posted by: NobodyInParticular1 | July 16, 2009 10:04 PM

All of this great stimulus money going into the hands of state and local governments to fund police officers, fire personnel and teachers is so fantastic! And in 2011 all of these police officers, fire personnel and teachers will have no earnings because the root problem has not been addressed, the chinese and other owners of the US won't fund them through purchasing more debt, and the small business owners will not have the resources to expand because the government has sucked up every bit of change out there.

And we will all hear "IT'S THE REPUBLICANS FAULT!" because in 2010 the democrats will be taken to the woodshed and the democrats and media will pronounce "it would have worked if it weren't for Cantor and those other evil and racist on the right side of the aisle."

It's not going to change a bit until it's either so broken everything falls apart, turning the US into just another banana republic, or loyal citizens wake up and make a fundamental change in direction to a non-partisan, pro-economic and social freedom and pro-Constitution model.

2012 could very well be the year neither a republican nor a democrat win the White House. And that's a good thing.

Posted by: durbustweeb | July 16, 2009 9:55 PM

I myself cannot summon the words to describe how incredibly ignorant this airhead, windbag, is; incredibly, this man's own words can do the job. "We need to spend money to prevent bankruptcy." Now I know, some will shrilly cry, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion." That slipshod logic usually proves its own fallaciousness in the first grade, when even the most thick-headed child grasps the notion that touching a hot stove may be your opinion, but it lacks the credibility and objective truthfulness for me to swallow it. The VP obviously hasn't reached that level of mental acuity.

Posted by: NCMike | July 16, 2009 9:50 PM

How do you respond to this?

Joe Biden: ‘We Have to Go Spend Money to Keep From Going Bankrupt’

Posted by: Postde-subscriber | July 16, 2009 9:31 PM

The Middle Class has nothing to worry about; they will soon be the Lower Class. Why should they strive to grow their lives or their business? The 50+% taxes on the "Upper Class will wipe out any purpose in trying to improve their status. And of course, the 1-2-trillion debt will also wipe out any atttempt at personal growth, for themselves and their children. Of course, the Supreme Leaders will still have their jobs, their "dachas" and all the perks that come from "public service"(e.g.free premier Health Care) You can always volunteer for everything, but who is going to pay your bills? Then there will be total spreading of the wealth, from your bank account to the government. So why try????
Obama is preaching to the "black community"on how to be successful. Great! But why should they try when their new found wealth will only be turned over to the government, too. If the NAACP plays it right, they will insist on the same rules of the game for everyone...NO NEW TAXES!!!!!

Posted by: vltg | July 16, 2009 9:29 PM

This man is not "right" in the head. I think all his medical problems have affected his thinking and reality.

Posted by: DontBlameMeIVoted4McCain | July 16, 2009 9:28 PM

I cannot imagine how much grief this total imbecile would get if he wern't part of the media's love childs administration.Biden makes Al Gore seem almost as smart as your average inbread democRat.

Posted by: fe59 | July 16, 2009 9:26 PM

Fat Al Gore invented the internet, Dumb Ass Joe must have discovered a time machine. He had to go back a few years to see all these jobs and prosperity. Typical fat cat doublespeak in a $3000 suit,Fyi to all you corrupt MF'ers in DC :your lies are becoming more transparent and the voters are starting to wake up to the B.S.from both sides.You can't fool all the people all the time.

Posted by: changeisfascism | July 16, 2009 9:04 PM

He Definitely needs a reality check!!!!!!!!

Posted by: amapola11 | July 16, 2009 9:00 PM

Has this man ever had his IQ tested?

Posted by: amapola11 | July 16, 2009 8:55 PM

Posted by: rforster | July 16, 2009 8:18 PM

Republicans:


I couldn't have put it better myself "only" that is the definition of D E M O CRATS.

No personal responsibility
No fiscal responsibility
No ideas, they copy badly the ideas of others
No patience they I running around hurrying up people
Just Hatred and Big Lies. ;)

Posted by: amapola11 | July 16, 2009 8:54 PM

obama:
No personal responsibility
No fiscal responsibility
No ideas
No patience
No HISTORY
No RECORDS of accomplishment
No RECORDS of his education
No RECORDS of his legal "career"
No RECORDS OF ANYTHING........and
NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
Just lies......he's got PLENTY OF THOSE!!!!

Posted by: jammies | July 16, 2009 8:51 PM

"We underestimated the economy." "It's working." Does Biden have a clue? To all those confused by his flip-flop let them have attended today's AARP meeting when he said "We have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt."

Posted by: djsteil | July 16, 2009 8:47 PM

"This isn't voodoo. All we have to do is let American's keep more of their own money and freedoms and CREATE a positive environment for businesses and the economy will recover. There will be pain involved regardless...either pull the splinter out and endure the near term pain. Or leave it in, let it get infected and lose large producing area of our economy for ever as they move to other countries, never to return. Posted by: theRightside"

Splendid summary of the trials and travails of the Bush Administration. You left out the part, though, where all the misery causes the economy to collapse, and even the rich get to feel the pain. You know, like 2008 and early 2009. Now we can all work together and rebuild, or you can sit on the sidelines and babble about how good it was just a couple of years ago. WE will still rebuild.

When we get it rebuilt YOU will undoubtedly try to claim that you could have done it better. By doing nothing. And letting the splinter fester into massive infection and coma and death of the economy. BUT AFTER THAT, things would be just rosey, now, wouldn't they?

Posted by: ceflynline | July 16, 2009 8:42 PM

"Reagan: 10.8% unemployment AND higher tax rates and gutted social programs, just like he gutted California. But THAT was Carter's fault and this economy is Obama's fault? When will a single republican take any responsibility for their actions, after all it is one of the Republican party's planks? Posted by: JRM2"

Thanks, you just give me the cue to observe that currently, every time the economy reaches a new low, the last time that indicator was worse turns out to have been a couple years into Reagan's administration.

Of course there are the republican Theorists who say this whole mess is really due to Clinton, and we haven't yet seen the benefits of the Bush years.

The Bush years, of course, couldn't possibly have been Bush's fault, now could they?

Posted by: ceflynline | July 16, 2009 8:36 PM

Biden is a buffoon and a liar as well. His proposal to split Iraq into three countries was brilliant too! Are there any democrats out there who want to pay there own way? I guess Hollywood moguls and well to do fudge packers can cut it on their own but the rest want to live off the producers (republicans). We need more welfare to buy votes for the democrats!

Posted by: vitaglubet | July 16, 2009 8:35 PM

Posted by: JRM2

Republicans
No personal responsibility
No fiscal responsibility
No ideas
No patience
Just hatred and lies.

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LMAO A little frustrated there Obamatron? Your post fits the "liberal" Democrats to a T.

Thank god for the blue dog Democrats. The party's only chance for salvation.

Democrats
No personal responsibility
No fiscal responsibility
Bad ideas
No patience
Just hatred and lies.


Posted by: Straightline | July 16, 2009 8:35 PM

Folks, it might make you feel good to lump all Republicans in a pile and label them in a disparaging manner. (see JRM2's posts)

Hopeychange won't work here and it and it won't put food on your table or help pay your mortgage or give confidence to small business or large business to start hiring for the future.

This isn't voodoo. All we have to do is let American's keep more of their own money and freedoms and CREATE a positive environment for businesses and the economy will recover. There will be pain involved regardless...either pull the splinter out and endure the near term pain. Or leave it in, let it get infected and lose large producing area of our economy for ever as they move to other countries, never to return.

Hopeychange = bad!

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 8:31 PM

Fed up with Obama and Biden? Check out this song at: www.myspace.com/rogerweber

You'll feel smarter than Biden.

Posted by: Roger9 | July 16, 2009 8:31 PM

"What I do know is if taxes are cut to business, they then have more capital for expansion which creates jobs.
Posted by: wrstmkr"

What I know from watching the supply side "Miracle" for the last thirty years is that businessmen who get tax breaks try to leverage those breaks to increase their profits, and tend to use those profits to try to make greater profits.

It is easier to buy a profitable company and bleed it dry, taking ITS profits and making them the profits of the gaining company, and therefore far more likely, than to take those profits and stake them on some speculative, and most likely failing business model in the HOPES that that business will beat the odds and become profitable itself.

The greatest example of this was Robert Campeau, who tried to leverage Federated department Stores and Allied Stores. Having borrowed far beyond his own means, he bankrupted both businesses trying to keep his own company afloat. There never was a chance that his model would work, since the Companies he bought were low profit margin and had been for years, and had long since maximized any economies of scale they could use.

The theory that giving small business men tax breaks to drive the economy fails the test of pragmatic analysis every time. The first thing business do when given a tax incentive is to try to get the tax break without actually meeting the purpose of the break, usually job creation. In the Miami valley alone the corpses of companies given tax incentives that never produced a single extra job are liberally scattered over the landscape.

Perhaps a better incentive would be to have a graduated tax system where corporate profits are evaluated in multiples of industry norms. Where the norm for corporate profits is ten percent of gross sales, profits above ten percent would be taxed at double the rate of profits below the norm. Profits above twicw the norm would be taxed at three times the norm. Now big windfall profits would more commonly be reinvested in the company, or in research, or product development, because those are costs and reduce profits, while increasing the value of the company, and its productivity or its general product line, thus growing the company.

Greater profits are demonstrably not necessarily an incentive for growing companies, but greater taxes ARE provably such an incentive. Bell Labs was a money sink for Ma Bell, used extensively whenever AT&T's profits threatened to grow too large. In the days where bell labs was that money sink, we got modern telecommunications, the transistor, fiber optics,and on and on. Now that AT&T doesn't have to worry about making too much money, Bell Labs is gone and its replacement, Lucent technologies is dying. AT&T isn't nearly so profitable any more, either.

Pragmatic history argues against supply side economics with indisputable facts.

Not speculative Reaganomics which NEVER ONCE produced the results Laffer and his friends promised us.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 16, 2009 8:30 PM

Sloe Joe sees teachers working now because of the pork money? Hey dimwit school teachers are on their 3 month long summer vacation. In other news today made by President dumazz, Plugs said America will go broke if we don't "SPEND" more money.What an imbecile,some Village in Delaware is missing it's idiot.Biden is going to make Dan Quayle look like a Rhodes Scholar

Posted by: fe59 | July 16, 2009 8:21 PM

JRM2

Still have a job, greenie? Just wait it's comin'.

Posted by: lathonbaud | July 16, 2009 8:20 PM

kbtoledo:

That would be true if it weren't false. sound like Yogi Berra don't I?

Even though unemployment can be a 'lagging indicator' it is not ever lagging for a year. Maybe a month and even then, there is usually another mid-month statistical correction that shows the number going up. Regardless, if the spendulous was having an impact it would be manifest in two ways:
1) observable economic numbers = tangible affects

(strike one)

2) a difference in the perception or climate in the business world = translates into positive outlook for future.

(strike two)

...add unemployment numbers to the equation and you get = strike three

ok, so maybe it is a foul ball, but none the less, the country is in a deep economic doo-doo with two strikes against it.

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 8:20 PM

I can not believe all the libs on this post still praising BO and Biden (dumb and dumber!) These two clowns have no idea what they are doing and they are screwing up big time. Here in WI 500 more jobs were lost today at Harley and Mercury Outboards is seriously considering moving to OK because WI is a tax hell (run by democrats.) Wake up everyone (liberals) and look around while BO and Biden ruin this country even more!

Posted by: rforster | July 16, 2009 8:18 PM

Republicans:
No personal responsibility
No fiscal responsibility
No ideas
No patience
Just hatred and lies.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 16, 2009 8:13 PM

"I would only point out that the country was completely crippled by Carter."
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Reagan: 10.8% unemployment AND higher tax rates and gutted social programs, just like he gutted California.

But THAT was Carter's fault and this economy is Obama's fault?

When will a single republican take any responsibility for their actions, after all it is one of the Republican party's planks?

Posted by: JRM2 | July 16, 2009 8:10 PM

Economists know that unemployment can lag a year or more behind recovery from a recession, and they predicted this would happen again things don't suddenly, magically become rosy again because some money was spent to create other jobs. Republicans are clever to exploit this time-lag, but too cowardly to offer any real alternatives to fixing the crisis. they certainly don't want to put up any money to help those whose lives have been torn apart by the greed of the GOP benefactors.

Posted by: kbtoledo | July 16, 2009 8:05 PM

The GFC was unexpected by most governments around the world and most of the populace. It was terrible because brought a loss of jobs, many businesses closed or started making losses, and families lost their houses. The next almost inevitable step was national despair and national social dislocation.

The government had to take decisive action to maintain sufficient confidence to enable the economy to function. It did this by showing the people that it could implement a strategy that would stop the nation falling into a social and economic Depression. That is why it announced its stimulus packages. Imagine what would have happened to the national psyche if the government had done nothing.

The stimulus package (ie the large amount of dollars spent by the government) lifted the nation's shattered spirits and stopped it drifting into despair.

Things were bad. Very large corporations were failing, the banks were in meltdown, credit disappeared, families lost their homes, jobs were lost, and small businesses failed.

The stimulus did not turn a doomed economy into a juggernaut but it allowed it to continue to function and for ordinary people to have enough hope so that they could function. If the government had not taken this action then the American economy, and its people, would have sunk into a Depression and the world would have followed it into doom and gloom.

If the government's actions did nothing more than keep the economy and the nation afloat then be thankful for that because instead of sinking you were given an opportunity to fix the USS America up so that it stays afloat.

You will have to pay for this salvage operation at a later date but the alternative would have been food queues and park benches.

Posted by: robertjames1 | July 16, 2009 8:00 PM

"did you know that Reagan had higher taxes AND higher unemployment TWO YEARS into his first term?"

Not entirely true, but let's accept it at face value.

I would only point out that the country was completely crippled by Carter.

You kids don't know or remember how bad Carter was. He is likely the worst president of the 20th century, probably worse than Hoover. He was one of those guys that whatever he did was precisely the wrong thing.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | July 16, 2009 7:57 PM

The GFC was unexpected by most governments around the world and most of the populace. It was terrible because brought a loss of jobs, many businesses closed or started making losses, and families lost their houses. The next almost inevitable step was national despair and national social dislocation.

The government had to take decisive action to maintain sufficient confidence to enable the economy to function. It did this by showing the people that it could implement a strategy that would stop the nation falling into a social and economic Depression. That is why it announced its stimulus packages. Imagine what would have happened to the national psyche if the government had done nothing.

The stimulus package (ie the large amount of dollars spent by the government) lifted the nation's shattered spirits and stopped it drifting into despair.

Things were bad. Very large corporations were failing, the banks were in meltdown, credit disappeared, families lost their homes, jobs were lost, and small businesses failed.

The stimulus did not turn a doomed economy into a juggernaut but it allowed it to continue to function and for ordinary people to have enough hope so that they could function. If the government had not taken this action then the American economy, and its people, would have sunk into a Depression and the world would have followed it into doom and gloom.

If the government's actions did nothing more than keep the economy and the nation afloat then be thankful for that because instead of sinking you were given an opportunity to fix the USS America up so that it stays afloat.

You will have to pay for this salvage operation at a later date but the alternative would have been food queues and park benches.

Posted by: robertjames1 | July 16, 2009 7:49 PM

"No one wants to mention that Bush had to deal with 9-11"
Straightline
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It's really very simple, Bush wasn't big on prevention, until Sept. 12th 2001

Posted by: JRM2 | July 16, 2009 7:48 PM

"I wish I could stomach being a Democrat. I would love to live life knowing everything was NOT my fault, even if I made the rule.

Posted by: yubamatt | July 16, 2009 7:27 PM"
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So I take it your a Republican, did you know that Reagan had higher taxes AND higher unemployment TWO YEARS into his first term?

Isn't he "The shining star" of the Republicans?

He also had less social programs and wasn't left with an economic disaster.

Try to see past your hatred and get real, who in this world could fix this economy in 6 months. The stimulus is supposed to take 18 months to dole out the funds.

Or, you could do nothing, like the republicans are so good at doing.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 16, 2009 7:40 PM

joe biden is one of the dumbest men in the country. IQ-80.

Biden was a FIVE time draft dodger just like his predecessor Dick Cheney.
Biden's father was a draft dodger during WWII. claimed status as an oil company employee. later became a used car salesman.

joe biden was caught cheating in college. copped a plea to avoid military service.
joe biden finished 76 of 85 at Syracuse law school.

biden never achieved leadership status in Senate after 40 years.
ted kennedy told Caroline to recommend biden (likes dumb men) to Obama for VP.

they like the idea of a stupid white man.
Axelrod and Emanuel, Obama's two bosses.

biden has had two brain aneuryms that required surgery and did not release his medical report during the campaign. media ignored.

this is the same biden that spoke of FDR being president in 1929. FDR going on TV in 1929.

also still getting his coffee at Katies in 2008 although Katie's went out of business in 1988.

WAPO never tells the truth on this mentally challenged man even before his TWO brain surgeries.

WAPO and east coast media refuse to report.
how many soldiers are they going to kill in afghan and iraq before media reports obama/biden first ticket since 1940 with no miltary experience?

Posted by: stargirl1991 | July 16, 2009 7:39 PM

Where do you alternate-reality-touting liberal commenters come from? Are you recruited directly by Bill Ayers or something?

We've got blatant self-servitude, duplicity, cluelessness, nauseating political posturing, and mismanagement among "leaders" like Pelosi, Reid, and Obama -- and we're talking governmental mismanagement that amounts to outright delinquency, and of historic proportions; an administration that has increased the deficit at an exponential rate and simply refuses to stop wasting taxpayer money by the shipload; so-called "stimulus" packages that are nothing but massive big-government spending programs and which do anything *but* stimulate jobs and the economy; an authoritarian president with a clearly Marxist agenda; a Democrat congress whom are convinced they are aristocrats and nobility overseeing us "peasants"; the "global warming" scam still being shoved down everyone's throats; the impending socialization (read: ruination) of our health care system; one shady, smelly "bailout" after another; unemployment still on the rise as this administration openly does everything possible to hamstring a recovery and stifle new-job creation -- including what amounts to printing money as government spending goes beyond "out of control" and into the realm of utter insanity and insupportable unreality, as well as proposing a ruinously opressive taxation scheme that will overburden job-creators --

-- all this, and you got the zombified lib shills coming here still saying "it's all Bush's fault."

I mean, it's truly 2+2=5 with you people.

I've got news for you, boyos and girlos: those Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann -style parroted "talking points" aren't washing anymore. Your false idol has feet of clay. Sorry if you lose the "furrowing up your legs," but perhaps you can still enjoy and celebrate the "fashion plate" that is Michelle-O. Can you sense me rolling my eyes?

Posted by: finsher771 | July 16, 2009 7:33 PM

I wish I could stomach being a Democrat. I would love to live life knowing everything was NOT my fault, even if I made the rule.
I live in California, and the Dems here have destroyed this once golden state. They blame it on Arnold, because he won't raise taxes through the roof again and again, even as business runs out of the state like a track meet. We've lost 28% of the businesses in this state in the last 8 years of massive budget hikes and unbelievable tax burdens. California has 12% of the total wefare entitlements in the entire country and it is killing us. Take a good look at California as that's where Obama is taking the entire country - unable to support the weight of the entitlements and huge government, demanding more from business and those who have earned it.

Posted by: yubamatt | July 16, 2009 7:27 PM

Just cleaning out the closet and found the following DNC talking points from 2003.

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From: DNC 6/9/2003
To: MSM
Subject: Economy

The phrase “Jobless Recovery” shall be placed in every paragraph of every article when discussing the economic recovery.

Posted by: B4NOT | July 16, 2009 7:25 PM

We can get into a discussion about the role of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and Franklin Raines (all democrats) in creating the credit meltdown. Obama was hired to fix the economy. His so called Stimulus Bill was nothing more than a payoff to the vote fraud organiztions (ie ACORN) that put him in power. Now he wastes time trying to take over health care. Obama doesn't care about fixing the economy, and worse, he doesn't believe in stimulating the private sector to pull us out of this recession. It's all a power grab for him. Quit believing what your marxist professors told you in college and think for yourself.

Posted by: CowboyDiplomat | July 16, 2009 7:21 PM

NBSsacramento, OK Let met get this straight someone (more than likely a liberal fruitloop)from no other than California is wanting the rest of the country to take their word that all this spending on pork projects and payback is going to make things better. Go ahead and eat the roach you smoked too much.

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 16, 2009 7:21 PM

Go Joe!

Biden may be an expert on foreign policy, but he also knows what he's talking about with regards to the stimulus and economy, just as Obama is aware. It's not going to turn around a a few months folks, please grow up. Everyone is "me, me, me" and "now, now, now." Well we didn't get to this point in a few months, and we weren't expected to magically heal in a few months.

It's seriously time to put your big boy and girl pants on and grow up. Let the recovery take hold, as it will, I promise. The economy will only rebound with jobs, and the right jobs and projects. Allow it to happen, because whether you like it or not, it will rebound with the recovery funds/projects, green, and healthcare reform. If you need to sabotage or sit and wring your hands, please get out of the way because a whole bunch of us are getting things done and you are not helping, just hindering.

BTW, everyone who thinks they know what they're talking about, and think VP Biden does not, check out what happened to Arizona today. Obama-Biden Administration spanked the state politicos' on their respective butts (see aftermath of Kyl and Brewer). Yeah, if you don't want your infrastructure projects, just say so.

Now, back to the regularly scheduled program.

Love ya, Joe Biden!

Posted by: NBSsacramento

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Hugh?? Hugh Topian is that you??

Posted by: Straightline | July 16, 2009 7:20 PM

Obama, Biden and most Dems are economic illiterates. They are driving the economy into the ground, raising taxes, and destroying our health care system. Anyone who believes these guys is a fool.

Posted by: DaMan2 | July 16, 2009 7:20 PM

Both Republicans and Democrats are thieves. I will vote for the most conservative canidate more than likely a Republican unless Palin starts a conservative 3rd Party.
All I know is that the country is headed in the wrong direction in the last 6 months. Too much Government will take away our freedom and liberty.

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 16, 2009 7:12 PM

Go Joe!

Biden may be an expert on foreign policy, but he also knows what he's talking about with regards to the stimulus and economy, just as Obama is aware. It's not going to turn around a a few months folks, please grow up. Everyone is "me, me, me" and "now, now, now." Well we didn't get to this point in a few months, and we weren't expected to magically heal in a few months.

It's seriously time to put your big boy and girl pants on and grow up. Let the recovery take hold, as it will, I promise. The economy will only rebound with jobs, and the right jobs and projects. Allow it to happen, because whether you like it or not, it will rebound with the recovery funds/projects, green, and healthcare reform. If you need to sabotage or sit and wring your hands, please get out of the way because a whole bunch of us are getting things done and you are not helping, just hindering.

BTW, everyone who thinks they know what they're talking about, and think VP Biden does not, check out what happened to Arizona today. Obama-Biden Administration spanked the state politicos' on their respective butts (see aftermath of Kyl and Brewer). Yeah, if you don't want your infrastructure projects, just say so.

Now, back to the regularly scheduled program.

Love ya, Joe Biden!

Posted by: NBSsacramento | July 16, 2009 7:09 PM


Yeah, but someone explain why Obama is drilling holes in the bottom of the boat?

"To blame Obama is like blaming a boat for a flood. No one expected immediate job creation while businesses continue to fold under the weight of the busted bubbles, which occurred on Bush's watch. Anyone who demands immediate satisfaction is unrealistic and best, and stupid at worst."

Posted by: dannyjnorman | July 16, 2009 7:03 PM

You would have to put a gun to my head to ever vote for a republican any more in this lifetime. I even regret having voted for Reagan.

Posted by: jfern03 | July 16, 2009 6:56 PM

Eric Cantor's a bright guy and understands policy. So its too bad he needs to be such stop a hypocrite. If he doesn't like the stimulus, he shouldn't try to get his hands on a share for his pet rail project, which makes no sense in any event from a cost-effectiveness stand point - maybe not quite the bridge to nowhere, but not the Boston - DC
corridor either.

The two faced tango Cantor and his Republican playmates try to dance on the stimulus makes them look stupid. But the voters aren't stupid. Notice there aren't any Republican's from Virginia in the senate any more. It's bad enough the R can't keep their zippers closed with the likes of Craig, Vitter, Ensign, and Stanford. Whining about the stimulus while trying to grab a share only further makes them your look like a bad skit on SNL. And they don't even have Al Franken on their side.

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Posted by: mattislavin | July 16, 2009 6:49 PM

Folks, folks....

It isn't about Bush anymore. Entitlements don't generate income or revenue!

The bottom line is this: the economic climate in this country started taking a turn south at the end of 2006 when the Democrats gained control of congress. All the bubbles started to burst in 2007 and 2008 when absolutely nothing got done in congress under the tutelage of Pelosi and Reid.

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 6:48 PM

I learned a lesson long ago. Investing, like the economy, is like climbing Mt. Everest.

It takes a long, long time to get to the top, and if you slip or mess up - it only takes but a few seconds or minutes to get to the bottom.

Bush essentially held the chicken coop door wide open for his corporate and pentagon contract buddies to raid. Then he handed them the rule book and an eraser and told to make up whatever rules they wanted. It took 8 years to dismantle and loot america almost completely.

Republicans just hope all of you are still as stupid as when you voted for Bush.

Posted by: jfern03 | July 16, 2009 6:41 PM

Some commented about the number of posts against Obama in a liberal paper. It shows that when things go wrong for people, we do not care about race. That is a good thing. Maybe the outcome of all this will be that we can truly throw away our concerns about color and realize that our needs and desires transcend the color thing. If we survive this presidency, I hope we will understand that. Otherwise, we give credence to those who make money off our racism. There are alot of those our there. Hopefully, we can put them out of business.

Posted by: annnort | July 16, 2009 6:27 PM

At least a few conservatives proposed a stimulus that would stimulate, namely nuclear plants, off-shore drilling, natural gas exploration and extraction and responsible exploitation of our natural resources in general. None of these require expenditure of government monies, simply removing restrictions. It seems the people who really are bent on killing our economy are the tree huggers who listen to and support NPR and PBS (Moyers?). Probably belong to a teachers union that think a burnt out phys ed teacher should get paid the same as an excellent math teacher. Need we observe any more absurdity?

Posted by: vitaglubet | July 16, 2009 6:24 PM

Well said, Michael4

"To blame Obama is like blaming a boat for a flood. No one expected immediate job creation while businesses continue to fold under the weight of the busted bubbles, which occurred on Bush's watch. Anyone who demands immediate satisfaction is unrealistic and best, and stupid at worst."

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 6:23 PM

It must be great to be a Republican. All you have to do is be anti and advocate that the government do nothing. We had eight years of that and look what it got us! Trickle down trickle down trickle down. Now after 6 months of the new president working to reverse the biggest mess ever created by one party, the antis want to go back to do nothing. And they have the nerve to say that any kind of change makes the country not the USA anymore. I am so sick of the antis I could scream.

Posted by: taxing
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Bravo!!

Posted by: LABC | July 16, 2009 6:22 PM

liz cheney said george and daddy kept us safe for eight years.wish that was so but george and daddy was in charge on 9/11 and had been for almost 9 mos .9/11 george anddaddys responsibility.its true liz daddy was in chareg you can say it forever but thehistory books will read george and daddy. so i wouldnt trust george and daddy on national security thy were tested and failed big time.

Posted by: donaldtucker | July 16, 2009 6:21 PM

You tell 'em Fighting Foot in Mouth Joe...I like that gotta have it now before people realize the royal butt slapping they're getting attitude...Your can do attitude on the taxpayer dime is exemplary.

We know you really meant 10%+++ unemployment when your team said it wouldn't go over 8%...Just like the Crap and Tax and Health Scare, anyone with a brain and a level of awareness slightly deeper than a cookie sheet knows what you mean...
That's why we find what this
administration is doing to be so repugnant...There was a reason no one wanted you for president, and I'm guessing that along with your gal pal Hilary the people voted for the what they thought was the lesser of three evils.

Posted by: Sadrrocks | July 16, 2009 6:21 PM

@ buzzm1,

Yes, the debt and the foreclosures that 8 years of republican rule caused is terrible. Don't forget that Bush created MASSIVE debt during the "good years", so when the bubble that republicans created with their non-existant regulation popped, when the government was really needed to help it's people, it had to go deeper into the hole. That is tragic, but you must never forget how we got here in the first place. Obama did NOT creat TARP. Obama didn't create the toxic financial instruments. Obama didn't repeal Glass-Steagall. Obama inherited an economy in crisis that had been in the red for a very long time.

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 6:21 PM

Raising taxes never pulled us out of a recession (and it sure didn't work for YOU in the 1970s). Here comes a brief lesson for you from US history:

In 1933 (during the Depression), FDR raised taxes and expanded government "work" programs. As a result, we dug ourselves deeper into the depression at a time when Europe was starting to pull out.

In 1961, JFK cut taxes during the recession he inherited and it spurred economic development and job growth, both of which pulled us out of that recession (quickly).

In 1977, when Jimmy Carter assumed office, he also was faced with a recession. He chose to raise taxes, and our nation spiraled even deeper into it.

In 1981, Ronald Reagan assumed office (during that recession), cut taxes, and it spurred economic development and job creation. By the end of his two terms, he DOUBLED the revenue going to the Federal Government (even though he CUT taxes)!

In 1997, during an economic turn-down, Bill Clinton lowered the cooperate tax rate, and rolled-back business regulation, resulting in an explosion in job growth and economic expansion.

In 2001, George W Bush, faced with another economic turn-down, lowered tax rates, which resulted in a quick economic turn around (but the $800B Prescription Drug Plan he implemented put a dent in that). Although I must add that during GW's watch, our unemployment rate went to a 40-year low of 4%.

I think, by now, you're starting to see a pattern. Lower taxes is a good thing for the economy (even President Zero admits this, but wants to raise them for "fairness" reasons). Lower your taxes, and get that 800 LB gorilla (Socialized Medicine, that you can't afford) off of your back and you'll be fine. (Assuming we don't print a few more trillion off of our Treasury's printing press).

On an ADHD sidebar... I'm not sure if anyone realizes this... but prior to the (improperly ratified) Income Tax Act of 1913, the "Unemployed Class" in the United States was so small that it was virtually non-existent. I'm talking about less than ONE PERCENT. 99.5 percent of the population were PRODUCTIVE, meaning they had jobs and they contributed to society, a far cry from today where, in socialist societies (the US is heading there), the unproductive (non-working) class make up an average of about 15-20%, leaching like parasites off of the people.

Posted by: TheRealAmerican | July 16, 2009 6:18 PM

To blame Obama is like blaming a boat for a flood. No one expected immediate job creation while businesses continue to fold under the weight of the busted bubbles, which occurred on Bush's watch. Anyone who demands immediate satisfaction is unrealistic and best, and stupid at worst.

Posted by: michael4 | July 16, 2009 6:15 PM

Economic justice:

* America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.
* Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.
* They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.
* Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.
* The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.
* They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they want America to be more like those other countries.

Hollywood cliches:

* Without capitalism there'd be no Hollywood - yet filmmakers hate capitalism.
* Filmmakers hate capitalism - yet they sue for unauthorized copying of their movies.
* They sue for unauthorized copying - yet on screen they teach us to share.
* On screen they teach us to share - yet they keep their millions to themselves.
* They keep their millions to themselves - yet they revel in stories of American misery and depravity.
* They revel in stories of American misery and depravity - yet they blame the resulting anti-American sentiment on conservatism.
* They blame the anti-American sentiment on conservatism - yet conservatism ensures the continuation of a system that makes Hollywood possible.

Posted by: TheRealAmerican | July 16, 2009 6:14 PM

The administration is desperate. Proof? Using the idiot Biden to attempt to convince anyone of anything.

He says, "look around you." I have. Saw another 524,000 jobs LOST in the last month. Now unemployment is officially at nearly 10% nationally, but is in reality almost 20% if part-timers and those who have quit looking for work are taken into account.

The so-called stimulus has done nothing. And nothing Biden or Obama can say will change that reality.

We need tax cuts to stimulate investment and growth--totally the opposite of what these insane people in Washington are trying to do.

Three strikes and the US is done--787 billion borrowed dollar stimulus, cap and trade energy tax, and healthcare takeover and supertaxation.

God help us.

Posted by: jshaver001 | July 16, 2009 6:13 PM

The debt HAS to be paid down or defaulted for recovery to take place.
The banks HAVE to be reigned in and can no longer be over leveraged beyond all comprehension before there can be recovery.

Glass-Steagal MUST be re-implemented.
The excessive gov't spending MUST stop.
The bailouts MUST end NOW.
Corporate taxes MUST be reduced NOW.
Large ticket items such as houses, cars, and college educations MUST be allowed to be corrected (by the free-market) to sustainable levels.

Until then there will be NO recovery, period. That's my non-partisan final answer :)

Posted by: Zack4 | July 16, 2009 6:12 PM

The emperor has no clothes! The stimulus bill (aka - the spendulous bill used to pay off my cronies who voted for me bill)is doing nothing except increasing the national debt and will produce nothing but inflation later down the road. Good job Joe - you and your buddy Oblama are wrecking our country! Way to go Joe!

Posted by: NO-bama | July 16, 2009 6:12 PM

Facts:
Fiscal Year US Gross Debt
1910 2.6
1920 25.9
1930 16.2
1940 43.0
1950 257.4
1960 290.2
1970 389.2
1980 930.2
1990 3,233
2000 5,674
2005 7,933
2007 9,008
2008 10,700
2009 12,540

Posted by: buzzm1 | July 16, 2009 6:10 PM

Let the facts speak for themselves:

JOB LOSSES - UNEMPLOYMENT RATE - UNEMPLOYED:
Jan., 2008 - 76,000 4.9%
Feb., 2008 - 83,000 4.8%
Mar., 2008 - 88,000 5.1%
Apr., 2008 - 67.000 5.0%
May, 2008 - 47,000 5.5%
June, 2008 - 100,000 - 5.5%
July, 2008 - 67,000 - 5.7%
Aug., 2008 - 127,000 - 6.1%
Sept., 2008 - 403,000 - 6.1%
Oct., 2008 - 320,000 - 6.5%
Nov., 2008 - 533,000 - 6.8%
Dec., 2008 - 681,000 - 7.2% - 11.1 million (R)
Jan., 2009 - 741,000 - 7.6% - 11.6 million (R)
Feb., 2009 - 681,000 - 8.1% - 12.5 million (R)
Mar., 2009 - 699,000 - 8.5% - 13.2 million (R)
Apr., 2009 - 539,000 - 8.9% - 13.7 million
May, 2009 - 345,000 - 9.4% - 14.5 million
Jun., 2009 - 467,000 - 9.5% - 14.7 million

FORECLOSURE FILINGS BY MONTH
Jan., 2008 233,001
Feb., 2008 223,651
Mar., 2008 233,089
Apr., 2008 243,353
May, 2008 261,255
Jun., 2008 252,363
July, 2008 272,171
Aug,.2008 303,879
Sept,2008 265,968
Oct., 2008 279,561
Nov., 2008 259,085
Dec., 2008 303,410
2008 Foreclosure Filings (up 81% from 2007)
Jan., 2009 274,399
Feb., 2009 290,631
Mar., 2009 341,180
Apr., 2009 342,038
May, 2009 321,480
Jun., 2009 336,173

Posted by: buzzm1 | July 16, 2009 6:09 PM

@ theRightside

"But let's be serious, cops and teachers are not the engine that drives our economy"

You are cracking me up! Jobs drive the economy, it doesn't matter what kind. Right now these cushion "the bottom" to keep the economic engine going and prevent it from stalling. Teachers and policemen spend their paychecks just like any other American. As they spend their paychecks, they fuel other PRIVATE business, that in turn, employ other people.

Tell me, do you think that if the stimulus hadn't passed, that we would be in BETTER financial situation right now? People would still be laid off, but in larger numbers and they would have less unemployment compensation to spend at other businesses. Homes would still be foreclosing, but at much faster rates since they wouldn't be allowed to negotiate mortgages in the same way. The list goes on and on. We would be suffering the economic wrath of Repub 101 in a much more severe way if the stimulus and other programs hadn't been enacted by this Adminstration.

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 6:05 PM

What planet is Biden from???

Posted by: yokohlman | July 16, 2009 6:04 PM

Hey Biden,
What you smonking, Man?

You and your pals started this with Fredy and Fanny. They your pals lured Bush II into the idiotic first stimulus package...then the Media put you where you and Dumbama are...

You idiots are doing all things wrong and now you tell us is working??? yeah...

Maybe for you and Dumbama...who never worked in your life

Posted by: Guallo | July 16, 2009 6:03 PM

Posted by: JohnQuimby And straightline - yes the deficit looks much worse now that the budget includes the cost of Bush's war in Iraq plus the 180 billion per year he never covered. Where the hell were you when expenditures in the trillion dollar range were exempted from the GOP Budget?

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Am I to believe that Obama and congress is somehow incorporating President Bush's "trillion dollar range expenditures" into his budget?? Sorry Obama and the dems wouldn't take on Bush's baggage and make themselves look even worse than they already do.

The blame Bush game doesn't work any more. This is Obama's economy now and has been the democrats economy since 2006.

Besides the fact that a good portion of money spent on Iraq went to American business, manufacturers, and soldiers.

No one wants to mention that Bush had to deal with 9-11, war on 2 fronts, Katrina and 2 other hurricanes, foreign aid for the Tsunami, the Pakistan earth quake, and the wildly successful African AIDS and Malaria initiative to name a few. At least with Bush we knew where some of the money was going. Can't really say that about the Obama admin.

But go ahead and add a "trillion dollar range" and blame Bush. Your still a long way from the underestimated 10 trillion that has been looted from the people by Obama.

Posted by: Straightline | July 16, 2009 6:02 PM

It must be great to be a Republican. All you have to do is be anti and advocate that the government do nothing. We had eight years of that and look what it got us! Trickle down trickle down trickle down. Now after 6 months of the new president working to reverse the biggest mess ever created by one party, the antis want to go back to do nothing. And they have the nerve to say that any kind of change makes the country not the USA anymore. I am so sick of the antis I could scream.

Posted by: taxing | July 16, 2009 5:59 PM

I am not an economist but I am a small business owner unlike our Pres. who has never had a real job to my knowledge. What I do know is if taxes are cut to business, they then have more capital for expansion which creates jobs. No Govt. intervention. No handouts. Supply Side Economics pulled us out of the last liberal fiasco under Reagan. Only Bush Sr.,Billy Boy, and W went back to Keynesian theory which by the way has proven not to work. Why did Kennedy cut taxes in the '60's? FDR the liberal standard bearer started the welfare state. It took a real Democrat in Kennedy to try to stop it. The Dems of today are no where close to him in true Demoratic ideals. Now most of them are Socialist/Marxist. I just want Govt. to leave me alone and I will create jobs. Small business is the country's largest employer. Leave us alone.

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 16, 2009 5:57 PM

kenpasadena, do you really think the job losses while Obama has been in office are the result of his actions???? Really? Not the billions of dollars that were taken out of the economy when the bubble burst? Not the result of toxic assets? The fact of the matter is that the recession started over 1 YEAR BEFORE Obama took office.

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 5:56 PM

Facts are stubborn things, but so far the facts say that hundreds of thousands of Americans have lost their jobs every month Obama has been in office. He could be the president residing over the most job losses in his four year term since FDR. Polls show Americans are paying attention to the facts - not the smoke screens -- and Obama's numbers are going down.

Posted by: kenpasadena | July 16, 2009 5:52 PM

There is no such thing as "sound Keynesian economics". Keynesianism is predicated on the least responsible legislators and voters in our society decreasing interest rates, and increasing debt, both public and private. The only outcome possible thru this method, based on basic human nature, is spiraling debt and massive deficits, then hyperinflation to try to "fix" it all.

There is absolutely no way that Biden is anything close to correct, he should be selling used cars.

We are nowhere near out of this thing. More spending will create a longer, deeper depression. Yes, we are in fact in a depression. Deny it till you are red in the face, it will make no difference. The average American will come to realize this fully by the end of this year, despite what the bubblevision media keeps sputtering about recovery and non-existent green shoots, especially the Klowns at CNBC.
Spending would actually work if we had an industrial base to spend it on, as we did just prior to and during WW2. We don't this time, we sold it all to China. We also have massive debt now, which we did not have going into the late 1930's.

Comparisons to the depression are only mildly helpful. We're actually worse off this time. Sub-prime real estate blew up, now commercial and prime RE are in meltdown mode. More loans, more debt, more spending on entitlements will not help this, it will only hurt.

Let's say for the sake of argument that the lefty Keynesian Klowns are correct - more spending brings us back from the brink. Well then all you have done is re-inflate the bubble, it has nowhere to go except to crash harder and bigger because we have even more overcapacity and even more unsustainable debt. Remember, there is no industry - no building of actual things we can use - to lift productivity.
Here's the short answer:
1) We do what the Obamaholic lovers of big government say we should - we spend more, we're DOOMED, big time, and I mean hard and deep for a long time. We WILL experience total collapse brought about by the spendaholic juvenile delinquents who vote for people like Obama.

2)We cut spending, we cut corporate taxes, we hurt BIG TIME but for a much shorter time, and emerge in a more sustainable, low debt fashion and much quicker.
The lefties are going to cause a full-on socio-political-economic collapse with their excessive spending. Maybe it's time this happened? We need to learn a hard lesson, folks. For the past 20 years we have elected and re-elected people who are NOT acting in our best interests.

Posted by: Zack4 | July 16, 2009 5:51 PM

Once again - More people who care more about being good Republicans then good Americans....

Two things for those of you who are claiming that either rising unemployment or rising foreclosures are anywhere near a measure of how the stimulus is working.

First of all, as it relates to unemployment, w/o being long winded - unemployment is/will be the LAST thing to turn in the right direction as we come out of a recession - it's called a lagging indicator. Look it up.

Second - Foreclosures - what, you all turned off your brains when Reagan got elected? You think that these foreclosures just happened to happen overnight? Maybe because less then 6 months ago, a stimulus package was passed, all of a sudden, the guy who was 3 months behind on his loan, magically became current? The many people that walked away from their homes in Q1 were foreclosed, oh, say retroactive to December? Come on, people! Foreclosures take a while to happen. The activities that caused these foreclosures to happen probably started at the end of last year, before the stimulus was passed or President Obama was in office.

Once again, people being good Repbulicans instead of good Americans.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 16, 2009 5:45 PM

Liar, traitor and shill for Goldman Sachs.

I pledge allegiance to the Stock of Goldman Sachs of Wall Street
.. and to the Gang for which it stands
.. One Gang indivisible
.. with liberty and profits for them

unwanted socialist health care with rationing and a cost structure that is far beyond the budget of the US Federal Government (medicare, medicaid, social security, SCHIP, welfare, workfare and interest on debt are ALREADY NOT ABLE TO BE PAID FOR and are over 65% of the budget without including administration costs)

unwanted cap and trade which taxes everyone
unwanted 10%+ unemployment (under-reported)
unwanted account deficits and crushing enslaving debt to the next generations
unwanted authoritarianism
unwanted totalitarianism
unwanted oligarchical collectivism
unwanted autocracy
unwanted inflation which taxes everyone
unwanted bankster gangs
unwanted debt and repayment in perpetuity
unwanted fiat money that inflates and has central credit control creating boom busts to allow banks to buy up everything
unwanted government in every aspect of life
unwanted deconstruction of life, liberty, freedom in the USA

What we want is Audit the Fed, HR 1207, but this legislation is being held up by Obama, Reid, Pelosi as they serve the World Bank, Goldman Sachs, IMF, and The Federal Reserve and not the people.

Question: IF WE HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY, WHY CAN THE GOVERNMENT SPY ON US? Funny how this un-enumerated right is not universal.

Posted by: mickrussom | July 16, 2009 5:44 PM

"It is a byproduct of the lack of investment by private industry due to the cost prohibitive climate created by deregulation, labor costs (unions), government induced environment restrictions, and higher taxes on those entities that would generate jobs."

Please explain this.

It seems to me that private enterprise took it's tax breaks, fired employees and outsourced jobs while paying bonuses to CEO's who downsized companies in order to pay private investors. The investors and CEO's made money even as their companies went broke.

Conservatives eliminated provisions in NAFTA and global trade rules that would have leveled the playing field for labor and the environment - claiming they were job killers even as they laid off workers under less restrictive rules.

You seem to be saying that we should expect the race to the bottom to continue under conservative economics and that this is in our best interest.

I really don't want to fly on a commercial jet with a pilot who earns $12 an hour but that's where we seem to be headed.

And straighline - yes the deficit looks much worse now that the budget includes the cost of Bush's war in Iraq plus the 180 billion per year he never covered. Where the hell were you when expenditures in the trillion dollar range were exempted from the GOP Budget?

Posted by: JohnQuimby | July 16, 2009 5:42 PM

The Dems just don't get it. The government creates nothing. The government takes. Private industry creates. The Dems complain every election cycles jobs are going overseas. The Dems get elected and initiate policy that drives jobs overseas. Bottom line is we produce less. As we shrink, the government will eventually run out of methods to squeeze taxes out of an ever dwindling supply. The Dems have us in a bad Ponzi scheme. I told you this was going to suck.

Posted by: yubamatt | July 16, 2009 5:42 PM

for theKamikazeDreamR

Your theory is partially correct, in principle that is. The problem is that it is not sustainable. It is akin to givin someone a blood transfusion to keep them alive. It works for a bit, but unless the body RECOVERS and starts producing more of it's own blood supply, it will just continue to need more blood transfusion, and continue to deteriorate.

Our economy cannot live on government funded, or sponsored projects or one time jobs paid for with printed money. Improving the fundamenatal health of the economy will not happen through a one-time or second 'transfusion'.

Got to go....Special Report with Bret Baier is coming on FOX at 6pm and my driver just arrived.

Cheers!
Warren Buffett

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 5:42 PM

Posted by: thegreatpotatospamof2003: You cant discuss the issues intelligently, you always come back with this same old sh*^.

Do you honestly think people don't know?

And sadly, you're reflective of many in government who buy into the whole supply side farce, democratic and republican, not understanding why the stuff is false theory, and not understanding why it not only doesn't work, but why it weakens America.

This is real, others pounce on mistakes of this magnitude, profiting from the whole and total ignorance of our "elite."

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Talk about hypocritical. I have been reading your post for years tatertot and you have NO room to talk.

I see you neglected to add that I was responding to a post calling conservatives mouth breathers.

Yay for the train and Gee whiz.. Yay for your "elite" we are so impressed with them.

Supply side works a hell of a lot better than your messiahs on purpose looting of the American treasury.

Posted by: Straightline | July 16, 2009 5:37 PM

Reminds me of a Laural, and Hardy film in which they sell their only asset, a car in order to get enough money to buy gas for the car, then they even put gas in the car. Everyone watching knows it stupid, and will only leave them without the money, and poorer than before without even the car except the buffoons who own the car. I am not saying Biden is a buffoon, I respect buffoons to much for that.

Posted by: enigmaforever | July 16, 2009 5:35 PM

chandler02

First of all, I like cops, teachers, firemen, etc, and we need more of them. but exacly how many cops, and teachers, can $787 BILLION dollars buy?

ok...so not all of it is going towards cops and teachers...I know. But let's be serious, cops and teachers are not the engine that drives our economy. Government jobs are DEPENDENT on tax revenue. And tax revenue is increased when the GDP increases, not through increasing the national debt and printing more money.

Sorry sweetie, simple Econ 101.

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 5:32 PM

The GOP should get over Palin, Romney and Huckleberry and start promoting Eric Cantor ... he's the only one in the GOP that makes logical arguments and offers optional solutions.
The decisions being made for this stimulus money in many cases is ridiculous and just shows how out of touch Washington is with the rest of the country.

Posted by: paris1969 | July 16, 2009 5:28 PM

"The difference between the left and theRightside is the methods we propose to fix the infrastructure. You believe in big government, and we think that government should get the hell out of the way and instead produce an investment friendly environment for private capital to invest in new infrastructure and technologies."

Why would private industry fix public roads? Bush's government got the Army Corp of Engineers clear the hell out of the way on the levees in New Orleans, and look what happened. There are many things the private industry does well. But government does have responsibilities to maintain infrastructure.

You also have to recognize that green energy will only increase in demand as fossil fuels decrease in availability, and this adminstration is creating a very investment friendly environment for that expanding, job producing, private industry.

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 5:24 PM

Anyone who has a brain, can see that the stimulus package is built on sound Keynesian economics; If the economy shrinks due to a recession then businesses have to cut costs, and the primary way they do that is to CUT JOBS. So if noone has jobs to buy MORE products, then business will continue to lose MORE REVENUE, which means more jobs lost. So in order to stop the job loss, a Public Plan like the stimulus package gets people to WORK. If the unemployed WORK they can have MONEY to inject into the economy which goes back into the private industry anyway. If private industry recovers, they can grow and hire back more workers.

It worked to get us out of the depression, and as a result we saw 5 decades of explosive growth from 1950 to now. How did this happen? Large federal stimulus packages spurring business during WWII.

If we stop now and try and 'balance' the budget, not enough cash flow will be stimulating businesses which will result in a greater crash the likes we haven't seen since the great depression. So I don't know how everyone thinks that spending less is better; just read for like 2 seconds and you'll see why a federal stimulus plan will only help in the long run.

Posted by: theKamikazeDreamR | July 16, 2009 5:22 PM

Obama was a very weak State Senator who voted present 130 times. He then went on to become a very Below Average US Senator. Now he is turning out to be a failure of Epic Proportions. Nobody should be shocked. Hope is Not a Plan and not all Change is Good.

Posted by: dencal26 | July 16, 2009 5:21 PM

Biden for president.Now.He's so inspiring and knowledgeable thay Obama should step aside and let Joe take the helm.

Posted by: clarify | July 16, 2009 5:21 PM

Biden is a liar and a moron. He has no idea what he is saying. Biden is like Fredo from the Godfather. Lets hope someone invites FREDO BIDEN on a fishing trip in a lake somewhere.

Posted by: dencal26 | July 16, 2009 5:19 PM

A predictable nonsensical comment from a typical uninformed, libtard, Obama moonbat worshiper who in the absence of fact ...believes and has faith in his anointed ones lies.

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You cant discuss the issues intelligently, you always come back with this same old sh*^.

Do you honestly think people don't know?

And sadly, you're reflective of many in government who buy into the whole supply side farce, democratic and republican, not understanding why the stuff is false theory, and not understanding why it not only doesn't work, but why it weakens America.

This is real, others pounce on mistakes of this magnitude, profiting from the whole and total ignorance of our "elite."

A government full of Alicia Shepherds is a government that cannot survive.

OTOH, I'm glad to see to the high-speed train coming to VA -- good for them!

Posted by: thegreatpotatospamof2003 | July 16, 2009 5:18 PM

I can't believer their are dolts posting here who actually applaud what Bush did to the economy and hold it out as an example!

Just hold up a sign saying "I'm Stupid! Hit me again!"

For the rest of us, it's going to be a while before we listen to Republicans on matters economic again.

Posted by: nodebris | July 16, 2009 5:17 PM

You Keyesian economic students still do not have a grip of reality. I am a business owner still somewhat successful even after Bush's screw up with the first stimuli and followed by porkulus and yet another stimuli.
The problem is: W and his Dad believe in Keyesian theory just as you wacked out libs do. If they would have kept Milton Freeman Supply Side theory we would not be in this shape. The so called Bi-partisan left is who chased the companies out of the US by putting the Highest corporate taxes in the world on them. Then Dodd and Barney Fwrank destroyed the mortgage banking industry. I wonder if the AG will ever investigate that mess. For now you libs have gotten your way by BSing the uninformed/uneducated masses. But you have awakened the sleeping giant. Remember '94? It'a coming again in '10. By the way chandler and cflyinline BO did say another stimuli(porkulus) may be necessary.
How's Hopeychange working for ya?

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 16, 2009 5:17 PM

Harley Davidson just announced that its laying off nearly half its workforce in Kansas City due to a significant drop in sales of big ticket items. they also intend to shut down manufacturing for 14 weeks in the last 26 weeks of the second half of the year. I guess that Harley didnt get the good news that the stimulus package is working.

Posted by: evw19591 | July 16, 2009 5:13 PM

If Cantor was one of the people who voted against extending unemployment benefits (and I'm sure he is) then he has no business pretending to care about the unemployed citizens of Virginia.

Posted by: onlytheshadowknows1 | July 16, 2009 5:12 PM

I do not care for the stimulus package as
it contains to many pork barrel projects. However, something has to be done and it should center on getting consumer spending started again as that is 70% of our economy. When Bush and the GOP talked about their massive tax cuts Warren Buffet made two very true comments: (1) I don't need a tax cut, I need customers; and (2) It is class warfare and I won.

It amazes me how many Republicans bad mouth the stimulus package and then brag about how many projects that got for their state. Cheney's infamous statements that "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter"
was irresponsible. They mattered then and they matter now. The Democrats are making the borrowing and spending of the Bush/GOP era look like penny ante economics. God help our future generations.

Posted by: jslivesay | July 16, 2009 5:12 PM

to ceflynline

...you are correct that the national infrastructure is in dire need of repair and updating. An infrastructure that needed updating for over 20 years. This however is not a Republican or Bush generated deficiency. It is a byproduct of the lack of investment by private industry due to the cost prohibitive climate created by deregulation, labor costs (unions), government induced environment restrictions, and higher taxes on those entities that would generate jobs.

The difference between the left and theRightside is the methods we propose to fix the infrastructure. You believe in big government, and we think that government should get the hell out of the way and instead produce an investment friendly environment for private capital to invest in new infrastructure and technologies.

Why did T.Boone Pickens give up on his wind farm? Because he couldn't get enough private capital investors to back his project, and he is a Billionaire!

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 5:11 PM

anyone with half a brain, can research to see the contents of the stimulus package, and see its pork. It will create work, but not jobs. At leats bush was smart enough to stimulatae the economy by giving $ back to the american people. I check a few checks within his first year in office. Remember those? what did we do with that $?... WE spent it. Not the government. It stimulated the economy. Get real, this 787 billion was pay back for political contributions.... everyone knows that. Hows that for change???

Posted by: cjlemp | July 16, 2009 5:10 PM

What I fear is that the gov will create useless phantom jobs that do not produce a significant product or service for society
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And what is that?

What is an example of a phantom job?

Creating a false position and then hiring your unqualified friend to fill it, thereby bringing money in for your company, say, if you're a contractor, but not supply a public service or a qualified employee?

Posted by: thegreatpotatospamof2003 | July 16, 2009 5:06 PM

Does Biden HONESTLY think that ponying up to his union cronnies (while leaving workers out to dry) and scooping money at veal-fed state workers & their bloated budgets is helping ANYONE ELSE?

Other than that, the financial industry (aka donors) is the only sector that got a hand.

And for the 10s of thousands of contractors (software programmers, writers, etc) who were waiting to be made 'employees' and then were shown the door, no help whatsoever.

I'm so disgusted, and so disapointed.

Posted by: mac819 | July 16, 2009 5:04 PM

TRUTH?!.we can't handle the TRUTH and the administration has no clue as to Truth...just like Pilate in the NT...'what is truth?'. Politics has left a wide path of moral and cultural destruction, all in the name of progress. If we sit by and do nothing but whine we are lost. Check out Zieglers great DVD Documentary on the press/Obama relationship..it's over 2 hours of in context interviews that will blow your mind and piss you off!
www.mediamalpracticemovie.com

Posted by: JNCali | July 16, 2009 5:03 PM

Posted by: nodebris
A predictable mess of comments from the mouth breathers who still to this day believe you can cut taxes and increase spending infinitely without affecting the deficit.

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A predictable nonsensical comment from a typical uninformed, libtarded, Obama moonbat worshiper who in the absence of fact ...believes and has faith in his anointed ones lies.

That you can tax business and the American people infinitely and spend it all quickly without increasing the deficit when in fact the deficit has increased 10 fold, on purpose... by Obama and his lock step congressional puppets.

Blind, blind, blind to Obamas true agenda and its right in front of your nose.

Hell all he has to do is appoint 20 more Tzars and he won't even need the legislative branch.

Posted by: Straightline | July 16, 2009 5:03 PM

@chandler2:

Cops and teachers have a usefull job that creates a service (which is productivity) for a society.

What I fear is that the gov will create useless phantom jobs that do not produce a significant product or service for society. More money would be printed relative to economic growth resulting in inflation.

Posted by: ecs33 | July 16, 2009 5:02 PM

The level of corruption is such Obama should appoint someone the caliber of Eliot Spitzer to oversee a commission investigating the economic abuses, and then he should empower someone one to prosecute.

The idea these profits from Goldman or Chase or anyone are anything but a number reflective of another bubble is a dangerous fairy tale to believe, much less act upon.

But no matter, until they clean it up, they fail.

And that's that.

Though they're not perfect, when they put the country back in the hands of the Krugman's and the Spitzers, we will all be better off.

Pretend doesn't work.

Sorry.

ROTFLMAO.

Posted by: thegreatpotatospamof2003 | July 16, 2009 5:00 PM

Well said cflynline! You said,

"It should be noted that, except for the portion of the package giving tax breaks, all of the projects and line items are things that are badly needed by the states getting them. Things that somebody at some level should have authorized and funded years ago. THIS stimulus is mostly a patchwork of programs to correct problems that states couldn't take care of because of the "No More Taxes" rant the Republicans have ridden into office so often. Now the country pays for their parsimony, in dying roads, falling bridges, collapsing dams, and failing power grids. Things that good government should have gone to work on years ago. The deficit from this stimulus package is really a debt the Republicans contracted for by refusing to govern when in power and by preventing when not in power. Basically our infrastructure is a couple of trillion in debt to old age and neglect. And we pay for it every day it doesn't get fixed."

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 4:57 PM

It's working? Interesting claim since there is no way to track how many jobs have actually been "created" or not lost as a result of the stimulus package. But if that's the case, why are foreclosures up significantly over this time last year? A significant reason why foreclosures are up is because job losses are continuing. And job losses are measurable via near double digit unemployment (with greater than 10% in several states) And, at least where i live, schools can't hire new teachers by using one time influxes of funds, which is what any stimulus funding would be.

Posted by: evw19591 | July 16, 2009 4:57 PM

typical Biden.....Delusional.

Posted by: va_rep | July 16, 2009 4:56 PM

"Even if money starts being spent in the 3rd quarter it will not stem the job losses that are happening now"

True, Obama can't go back in time and fix the systemic reasons for the cause of this crisis. He can't save those exact same jobs that are being lost. However, for every job that is created, even if it is a job like a teacher or cop, that creates economic activity in a community. They make money, so they spend money, and that employs other people who them make and spend money. Maybe you need to brush up on your econ, sweetie!

And yes, the business climate does need to be changed, which is why the Administration has proposed changes to the financial system (removing oversight duties from Fed, creating financial products consumer watchdog group, requiring higher capital requirements for "too big to fail" companies, etc.) I hear all of this complaining, but hear few people that have actually researched what the Administration is working towards.

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 4:54 PM

two motormouth pols attemptin to bs the public,as usual.cannot these people discuss what is good for the country,and not their parties?

Posted by: pofinpa | July 16, 2009 4:53 PM

Sanford may have lost his head but at least he wasn't turning tricks in Men's restrooms along the Jersey Turnpike like some other governor whose name I won't mention.

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Turning tricks in a men's room?

Isn't that Larry Craig's thing?

And he's a Senator.

Beside, have you ever tried to make ends meet on a Congressional salary?

A man's gotta eat, and you should see what a couple hundred will do.

Posted by: thegreatpotatospamof2003 | July 16, 2009 4:53 PM

"Joe and others of your liberal agenda, if the stimulus is working so well and the majority of the money is set for the 3rd quarter yet to be spent, then why did your boss and co-conspirators propose yet another stimulus package? Hey Joe what's up with that? Posted by: wrstmkr"

Problem is, the President not only hasn't called for a second stimulus package, he has said he didn't currently see the need for a second until the first actually has a chance to work.

There is planning for a second stimulus package, should one become appropriate, but since we ae looking down the couple years that means that the [package can be slowly thought out instead of cobbled up under emergency conditions.

It should be noted that, except for the portion of the package giving tax breaks, all of the projects and line items are things that are badly needed by the states getting them. Things that somebody at some level should have authorized and funded years ago. THIS stimulus is mostly a patchwork of programs to correct problems that states couldn't take care of because of the "No More Taxes" rant the Republicans have ridden into office so often. Now the country pays for their parsimony, in dying roads, falling bridges, collapsing dams, and failing power grids. Things that good government should have gone to work on years ago. The deficit from this stimulus package is really a debt the Republicans contracted for by refusing to govern when in power and by preventing when not in power. Basically our infrastructure is a couple of trillion in debt to old age and neglect. And we pay for it every day it doesn't get fixed.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 16, 2009 4:50 PM

A predictable mess of comments from the mouth breathers who still to this day believe you can cut taxes and increase spending infinitely without affecting the deficit.

Posted by: nodebris | July 16, 2009 4:48 PM

wrstmkr, you need to read up a bit more. Obama hasn't called for a second stimulus, silly!

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 4:47 PM

Posted by: mackiejw | July 16, 2009 4:38 PM

I have doubts that those hypocrites ever will be able to achieve anything else then to screw up the good things, and to screw (like in Argentina)

Sanford may have lost his head but at least he wasn't turning tricks in Men's restrooms along the Jersey Turnpike like some other governor whose name I won't mention.

Posted by: sleestack108 | July 16, 2009 4:45 PM

If Cantor were my representative-which he is not THANK GOD-I would ask him what he has done to help improve the economy. The answer is short-nothing. The do nothing approach is risky business because people tend to figure things out after a while. Hopefully the learning will occur before November 2010. A question I have is what would the unemployment rate have been if the stimulus package had not passed. Surely it would have been higher yet. That is where we would be if the GOP had their way.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | July 16, 2009 4:45 PM

To chandler02:

uh...wut?

I think dumbokie explained it best when he said: "The jobs saved or created by these stimulus packages are designed to only benefit the people that derive their income from a tax base. Teachers, cops, union jobs, are good jobs but they mainly are paid from taxes."

Even if money starts being spent in the 3rd quarter it will not stem the job losses that are happening now. You have to change the fundamentals for the symptoms to reflect it. i.e. change the business climate, with a positive outlook by removing the fear of increased taxes and increased labor costs, small businesses will 'TAKE THE RISKS' necessary to invest in the future. Everytime a business hires someone they are gambling on the fact that that person will help produce more revenue, but it comes at a cost...some of the profit. Profit that could go towards more equipment, infrastructure, inventory, research and development, etc.

The big failure of the stimulus package has not been it's lack of job creation, but it's lack of positive influence in the business world and markets. It hasn't changed the negative outlook for the future.

Afterall, perception is reality. And right now the markets and business world not only have zero confidence in the obama / biden plan, they know that fundamentally, increasing government and increasing taxes will not stimulate the economy.

Take an Econ 101 course in the community college near you.

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 4:44 PM

ecs33, it was meant to stablize the economy in the short term (2 years), it was never intended to be a long term fix. That will come from regulation in the financial markets, which the Adminstration has propsed but needs to be enacted by Congress. And while you might think that anything of real value will be created by these jobs, the fact is that the infrastructure in America is failing. Investments in these areas will keep millions of Americans safer, even if they don't know it. Bush neglected our roads, bridges, water systems, levees, etc. to the point where it has literally killed people (see Katrina, collapsed bridge in Minnesota, etc.) The stimulus gets work done that NEEDS to be done, and generates economic activity as a result.

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 4:42 PM

"2001 when Bush came into the WH the economy was not good. He did not blame Clinton. 9-11 happened in Sept. The economy was shaky. But the Bush adm did everything to make the economy grow. Jobs created by small business. Lowest unemployment in many years. Posted by: hurleyboo"

Unemployment climbed all through George's tenure, it is why we booted him out. The economy went in the tank stayed there for six years, then went down the drain. For his eight years he had a NET LOSS of jobs. Real middle class wages, which had been growing under Clinton took a nose dive and then THEY went off the cliff.

Kind of short memory there, eh hurleyboo?

Posted by: ceflynline | July 16, 2009 4:41 PM

Joe and others of your liberal agenda, if the stimulus is working so well and the majority of the money is set for the 3rd quarter yet to be spent, then why did your boss and co-conspirators propose yet another stimulus package? Hey Joe what's up with that?

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 16, 2009 4:39 PM

At this afternoon's news conference, Cantor said that since the stimulus bill passed, unemployment had increased in Richmond, in Virginia and across the country.
-----------------------------------

And forget to tell that not even 10% of 700 billion have been disbursed, mostly because of the fact that "we the GOP refuse to use the money, or use it to pay back the debt we built up in our states over the past decade. Furthermore, we are sabotaging the whole project so President Obama FAILS".

Out sourced jobs in manufacturing/engineering, and also the service sector, to the staggering number of 4.5 million over the past 8 years will not come back. Period.

So the PARTY OF CORE VALUES has to get of their high DONKEY and work with the President to fix what they messed up so greatly.

I have doubts that those hypocrites ever will be able to achieve anything else then to screw up the good things, and to screw (like in Argentina)

Posted by: mackiejw | July 16, 2009 4:38 PM

"Biden traveled to Ohio to urge patience"

Patience is a virtue in very short supply when you've lost your job and are fast on your way to losing your house. This is not some kind of an intellectual exercise they teach at Harvard or Yale. This is the real world. People are hurting and every thing this administration proposes to do seems destined to prolong their agony.

Posted by: sleestack108 | July 16, 2009 4:38 PM

History will not be kind to Obama and his "administration", the lockstep democrats and the moonbat fruitloops of the Pelosi ilk.

That is if...they leave us a future to look back on...

Posted by: Straightline | July 16, 2009 4:35 PM

@chandler2:

I think that the stimulus will create a short term boom. But I don't trust that this administration is able to invest in a venture that would produce long term productivity and sustainability. I have a feeling that they will create useless gov jobs that result in little real product, which will inflate our dollar. But fickle America won't notice the inflation until after the 2010 elections.

Our only saving grace is that the government would have to vote for more stimulus money. If this was not the case then the government would be 100% guaranteed an income and would have less incentive on using the money wisely.

Posted by: ecs33 | July 16, 2009 4:33 PM

"What do cops and teachers have to do with economic growth?"

When people are employed, they generate further economic activity in their community.

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 4:31 PM

its working and going to work better by elections of 2010 the economy will be much stronger unemployment muc lower and the repulicans still in denial.

Posted by: donaldtucker | July 16, 2009 4:31 PM

Land mines of the Presidents.


For Carter, it was the 444 days of the hostage crisis.

For Johnson and Bush, it was the body count.

For Obama, it will be the unemployment and foreclosure rates.

Posted by: magellan1 | July 16, 2009 4:30 PM

"Tell me, what Repub policies specifically caused the economy to regress?"

How about repealing the Glass-Steagall Act. ;)

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 4:30 PM

The only question that will need to be answered in the near term will take place in November of 2010. "Are you better off than what you were two years ago?" I think we all know what that answer is going to be. It's been said that a rising tide raises all boats. What we've got here is a boat that's taking on water with Captain Obama and First Mate Biden bailing water as fast as they can IN to the boat. We are fast approaching a course of national suicide. The "stimulus" aside, cap and trade along with socialized medicine will do nothing more than bankrupt our economy and hasten our own demise, along with putting an unsustainable burden on future generations.

The American people have been duped by this President as he tries to enact every liberal wet dream that has been on their minds for the last 40 years in the guise of "stimulus". These ideas are not new. The problem is that every time they've been tried they have failed miserably. Don't expect to see any thing but the same this time around. What was that line during the campaign, "You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig?" Well this "stimulus" is King Porkulus and Barack Obama owns it.

How's all this "hope" and (spare)"change" change workin' out for ya?

Posted by: sleestack108 | July 16, 2009 4:28 PM

Hmmmm...so old Joe thinks because "cops and teachers" have jobs, the stimulus is working? What do cops and teachers have to do with economic growth? Important community roles, yes. Harbingers of growth, no. Payback for unions, definately.

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | July 16, 2009 4:27 PM

The vast majority of the stimulus money is being spent in the 3rd Quarter, which has only just begun. For Cantor and others to critize so early shows that they want to get their licks in before the facts show up. They make false analogies, stating that since unemployment is increasing that the stimulus isn't working. That doesn't take into account how many people HAVE been employed, and how much worse off we would be if the stimulus was not passed. As in every economic downturn, the market picks up before employment turns up. That is happening as we speak. Republicans just want to bash Obama, and ignore facts.

Posted by: chandler02 | July 16, 2009 4:25 PM

Thank you Mr. Biden - for continuing to make Sarah Palin look so formidable. A huge increase will hit small bus. on July 24th, as the min wage takes a huge jump of $.70/hour! Then add "stimulus" tax, BTU tax, socialized med tax & you can kiss the land of free enterprise good by.

Posted by: devan95 | July 16, 2009 4:25 PM

This administration is taking a page right from the Third Reichs propaganda ministry.
Tell a lie, keep repeating it as true and eventually everyone will believe it is true.
"It's working!" My a$$!

Posted by: CSinMiami | July 16, 2009 4:24 PM

Joe, Maybe you should attend one of the TEA Parties this Fiday just to see how this agenda is working for ya. Oh Joe, TEA stands for TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY. Oh and Joe contrary to the STATE MEDIA formerly known as the mainstream media it is a real Bi-Partisan event. Come on Joe there probably will be one in a town near you.

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 16, 2009 4:21 PM

Another, really - really - really bad day for the DEMOCRUDS.

Posted by: hclark1 | July 16, 2009 4:19 PM

Has Biden's mouth healed from having his foot removed?

Posted by: pgr88 | July 16, 2009 4:19 PM

JohnnyU2Berry: Republican policies caused this unemployment.


HAHAHA this statement is laughable. Tell me, what Repub policies specifically caused the economy to regress? Have you ever heard of the mortgage crisis? Do you know what kind of corruption was happening in the supply chain of banks. Do you know why that corruption was happening?

Please get educated before you make such a senseless remark. It was a combination of Democratic and Repub policies that caused this. But the Dems are the ones who set up the infrastructure that included a chain of incentives to push out bad mortgages.

Posted by: ecs33 | July 16, 2009 4:18 PM

The jobs saved or created by these stimulus packages are designed to only benefit the people that derive their income from a tax base. Teachers, cops, union jobs, are good jobs but they mainly are paid from taxes. Less than a million dollars went to the small business administration to actually help business's that hire people and generate taxes.

BHO and others are trying to destroy small business and force everyone to work for a government handout. We do not need union owned auto companies or anything even close to it. The stimulus should create non-tax based jobs and that would put the average man back to work; therefore generate more taxes.

Enter the politics of payback and it is not hard to see how these tax generated jobs will vote.

Posted by: dumbokie | July 16, 2009 4:16 PM

Way to go Rightside!

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 16, 2009 4:10 PM

Jdm21 I see Bo is paying $11-15 an hour to his ACORN Buds to lobby his agenda. There's a stimulus job for. Gettin paid to screw up the country. His brown shirted ACORN thugs best not show up on my Lawn for this or the census which he has entrusted to them. Here in Texas that don't cut much grass.

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 16, 2009 4:07 PM

Once again, our esteemed representatives from the "R" side of the aisle are more interested in being good Republicans then good Americans.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 16, 2009 1:57 PM

WOW...so if they don't follow you down that road to ruin...they are upsurpers..Pitiful.

Posted by: havoc1 | July 16, 2009 4:04 PM

What I find interesting is the fact that 95 percent of the comments here are negative toward obama, biden and administrations efforts to right the economic situation.

And I don't think the WaPo has a 95 percent conservative demographic.

Funny how people seem to put partisan politics aside when things start affecting their wallets, quality of life, national security, and their children's future.

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 4:04 PM

"Obama and Biden lied, and the US economy died." We voted for change and change is all we have left in our pockets.

Obama is an idiot to say it is working and the reality hits him in the face, to say he is going to help pay for healthcare for all by stopping the subsidies paid to insurance and healtcare providers (guess what, they provide the services that Medicade and Medicaid are supposed to provide and the government pays them to do so, guess what, the government is not a healcare provider), what a joke. He sets up these stupid "strawmen" stories to get all those stupid people that voted for him to feel that the world is a cruel and mean place and he is going to fix it all. Stupid "pie in the sky" Obama! Stupid lying idiot anyone that voted for Obama is a stupid, lying (to themselves) idiot that wants the 1st black guy voted to top office to be successful even if they have to lie to themselves, stupid plastic banana good-time rock'n'roller idiots!

Posted by: skihillsandy | July 16, 2009 4:03 PM

I just cannot believe that Americans are taking up for this current Administration. W kept us safe yes he was great at that. But the Republicans fell into the trap of "Bi-partisanship" as defined by the left. It means our way or nothing. RINO's like McCain, Graham, Collins and others "crossed the aisle" and were proud of it. jdm21, that is why W left us with a bad economy. But you forget he inherited a recession from Billy Boy and pulled us out by cutting taxes when he had a Congress that would work with him. I agree with those who realize the truth: Everything went to hell in 2006.

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 16, 2009 4:02 PM

Yeah Joe, great job. 90% of the stimulus money thus far has gone to prop up spendthrift State governments. "Saving" reliable Democratic voters jobs. Teacher's unions and unionized state government workers sector have been the main benefactors.

Posted by: dennis20 | July 16, 2009 4:00 PM

Republican policies caused this unemployment. Does Cantor really think that a couple of months after the stimulus bill was passed that the problem would be solved? Of course, not. It's cheap politics. It'll take a long time to dig out of 8 years of George W. Bush and an even longer period of Republican controlled Congress.

Posted by: JohnnyU2Berry | July 16, 2009 3:59 PM

I know, lets let the repugs handle the economy the way thay want.Tax the low income people,cut social security,medicade,unemploymentinsurance,ect.give tax bracks to corporations and the wealthy,we've been there done that and MOST of us hated it.george left us with a crap sandwich and the right wingers want us to eat it and ask for more!Obama is throwing that out and with the help of vary knowledgeable economist is attempting to lead the us and the world into a better future. So you with all the answers do something constructive, or is it still the same gripe,gripe,gripe,me,me,me,my money,my money,NO,NO,NO. It's time you learned that it's about more than just you!

Posted by: hanalei | July 16, 2009 3:57 PM

Bizarre and surreal !

Posted by: lutzbrehmer | July 16, 2009 3:54 PM

Joe Biden says we should "take a look around"? Does he really mean that? I see 9.5% unemployment, record deficits with no end in sight, politicization of national security and TWO MORE job killing pieces of legislation being rushed through without our "representatives" reading them? That's just the domestic agenda, if we "take a look" at the foreign agenda it's even more frightening.

Posted by: akwa01 | July 16, 2009 3:50 PM

according to the government's own stimulus tracking statistics, in connecticut they have created 32 jobs at a cost of over 12 million dollars each. if we taxed those 32 individuals at 100% it would still take 300 years to repay the cost. an economist barry is not.

Posted by: changein2012 | July 16, 2009 3:50 PM

jdm21 & jrm2 - You both are total idiots. Keep loving your Chairman Maobama and keep your hand out for all the freebees you think you are going to get. Under Bush we were under 1 Trillion dollars in debt, we are now over 10 Trillion dollars in debt and that is without the Socialist Healthcare. Please explain how that makes Bush responsible for where we are. This A$$CLOWN is spending this country into poverty and expecting the wealthy to pay his way out, typical tax and spend politics. The unemployment rate is increasing and the clown just stated yesterday he expects it to go higher even though he stated his wounderful spendus to death package would create jobs. If you all don't like America why don't you take your A$$CLOWN and move, I hear Venezuala is nice. By the way I am not a Republican.

Posted by: Hawkije | July 16, 2009 3:49 PM

When Biden says "would they not give a tax cut to 95 percent of the American people." as justification for the spendulous bill, I can't help but wonder if someone who is unemployed would gladly give up their $400 'tax cut' for a full time job.

I guess everyone has their price. For some that voted for Hopeychange it is $400 dollars.

It all started with the 2006 congressional election folks, when Pelosi and Reid took control. Check it out for yourselves.

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 3:47 PM

I guess you're serious about this? You don't think maybe fighting one of the most expensive wars in human history while simultaneously lowering taxes on the rich had anything to do with our economy state? Or maybe the fact that we starting bailing out poorly-run companies at random back in September (a move which neither Obama nor McCain disagreed with)?

"Obama and Biden lied, and the US economy died. We voted for change and change is all we have left - the change in our pocket that is.

Posted by: ac7880 | July 16, 2009 3:38 PM"

Posted by: justin_timberwolf | July 16, 2009 3:46 PM

Biden is as economically ignorant as his boss who also has never run a business but knows how to pay back political supporters. Workers are paying less in taxes this year only because unemployment pays less than their job did. Businesses are paying less in taxes because their gross revenue is way down. Every day, Biden looks more like a GOP agent sent out to sabotage the Obama administration. Keep talking Mr Biden, just remember to keep your feet away a safe distance from your mouth.

Posted by: CowboyDiplomat | July 16, 2009 3:45 PM

Come on now, Joe!! Pull your head out of your special dark and smelly place and take in some fresh air. See what we are seeing!!

Posted by: changeling48084 | July 16, 2009 3:45 PM

Cantor deserves every bit of hammering from Biden and elsewhere. He is a total moron.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | July 16, 2009 3:40 PM

Come on Biden..we Know you can't stand Obama and his puppeteers..Rahm Emanuel and Axelrod who tell you everyday what you can and cannot say. Get the healthcare bill in the trash if you still love America...This healthcare will tax 36 % of my pay to pay for healthcare..with Cap and Trade it will be 50% of my pay taken by the government..we can't live like this Biden..Hello

Posted by: welovetheUSA | July 16, 2009 3:39 PM

Mr. Biden, take aim and fire away at Mr. Cantor...He is such a lightweight. When I lived in Richmond, I bought a house from his company which, during the warranty period experienced some building problems...He couldn't or wouldn't take respsonsbility for that then nor the sad state of the GOP now. BTW, after a few followups, my problems were taken care of, but Mr. Cantor could never bring himself to actually speak with me...

Posted by: TNbybirth | July 16, 2009 3:38 PM

First of all, Biden is dunce. I don't believe anything he says. In terms this sham stimulus bill creating jobs, the only conceivable evidence I can see is the stimulus has helped the GD lawyers, the hair stylists and companies that make teeth whitener, all of whom Biden patronizes.

Posted by: schratboy | July 16, 2009 3:38 PM

Obama and Biden lied, and the US economy died. We voted for change and change is all we have left - the change in our pocket that is.

Posted by: ac7880 | July 16, 2009 3:38 PM

WE MUST ALSO STOP AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!

go to www.numbersusa.com ! register because this group makes it easy to fax our politicians for free!

Posted by: jeffrey6 | July 16, 2009 3:38 PM

Did Biden and Obama move the U.S.A. without leaving a forwarding address ? The country they keep describing sure isn't the same one I'm living in. I seem to see a banana republic in the making and welfare lines forming from coast to coast.

Posted by: tinyt55 | July 16, 2009 3:34 PM

When I was a socialist in college, my liberal professors taught that words mean what you intend them to mean at the moment you say them, rather than their generally accepted meaning. In other words, if you make a statement while you think the opposite, the meaning is what you think and not what you say, so you are not really lying. I think Obama, Biden and the other clowns of this current administration must have had the same professors.

Posted by: Tronist | July 16, 2009 3:30 PM

Well I am ashamed to admit but I did vote for change. Only this is not what we were told. This group is cleaning the clocks of hard working Americans. When will it stop? Marches on Washington may get their attention. The company I work for has laid off 70 % of the workforce, the others have taken 30% reduction. I am loving this change. Can;t wait to change it back in 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: dpierson1 | July 16, 2009 3:29 PM

raltiere - Obama's agenda didn't sound nearly as bad when he was running against deficits and tax increases for 95% of Americans. I don't recall the de facto takeover of the banking and automotive industries or a massive stimulus in his platform either. If he governed according to his promises things wouldn't be nearly as bad. The economy probably got him elected, and he's far from meeting expectations. Of course, if he honored his campaign promises on finance matters, he couldn't ram through all of the democrats preferred social policies either.

Posted by: botw | July 16, 2009 3:27 PM

How much more ridiculous can Biden and the community organizer in chief get?
Obama is driving this train right into the ground as fast as he possibly can, meanwhile usurping as much power as he can from the Congress, the people, and our Constitution.
He will make Hugo Chavez look like a rank amateur by the time he is through with us. Bend over and smile or stand up and fight? What will it be America?

Posted by: ricardo4max | July 16, 2009 3:26 PM

Now the people working at the Post are finding another huge hand creeping into there own pocket you'll see some real back lash before it's too late.

Posted by: pane1 | July 16, 2009 3:23 PM

jdm21 wrote: "Ahhh, yes. A slew of entirely predictable comments from the loyal, bitter followers of the party of NO (formerly known as the Republican party). As someone pointed out, about 10% of the money has been spent, and the idea-free party of NO is already calling the stimulus a 100% failure. Wake up folks, it took 8 years of George W. to get us into this hole, it will take more than 6-months to get us out."

Once again with the name-calling. Very constructive.

Your argument would be more convincing if the stimulus were showing signs of doing what its proponents predicted it to do by now. It hasn't, and has arguably made it much worse. In fairness, its effects could be minimized by Obama's and Congress' many other anti-business, anti-growth policies (both enacted and proposed) that appear to be strangling investment, hiring, and spending (i.e. proposed income tax increases, cap and trade, health insurance mandates and taxes, union favoritism, disregard of the rule of law [e.g. Chrysler bondholders], etc.)

Posted by: botw | July 16, 2009 3:22 PM

Joe Biden along with the other incompetents that are occupying space are either delusional or think the entire population are morons. This plan has bankrupt our country, mortgaged our kids future and has taken away our freedoms. Obama wants to be the Country's first dictator, and will lie, cheat and say anything necessary to achieve his goals. If Americans don't wake up and soon, we are all going to be living in pup tents waiting for our next Government handout.

Posted by: bfolb33723 | July 16, 2009 3:21 PM

This paper may be worth reading if the "reporters" actually checked and reported on some actual facts - rather than just sum up what the politicians say to each other. If I want BS, I get it directly from the ass (or elephant) himself.

Posted by: BillJZ | July 16, 2009 3:21 PM

Find anybody you know to be somewhat entrepreneurial and ask him or her a simple question: is there anything in the stimulus bill that stimulates you to stick your neck out and expand your existing business or start a new business?

Posted by: JackWilson | July 16, 2009 3:20 PM

"When you see the abuse of power, you've got to speak."

-- VP candidate Joseph Biden, Aug. 27, 2008, Democratic National Convention


***

Are DOMESTIC 'HIT SQUADS' THE REAL 'ASSASSINATION RING' STORY?


THE EXTRAJUDICIAL PUNISHMENT NETWORK:

AN IDEOLOGICALLY-DRIVEN SOCIAL PURGE THAT VIOLATES THE HUMAN AND CIVIL RIGHTS OF INNOCENT BUT 'TARGETED' U.S. CITIZENS...

ON THE STREETS OF NYC, DC, PHILLY, BOSTON...

...AND IN CITIES AND TOWNS ACROSS AMERICA.

And federal citizen volunteer programs fund the GPS-activated "community gang stalkers" who are terrorizing their neighbors as police look the other way...

...harassing, vandalizing, destroying their livelihoods as their health is degraded by widely-deployed microwave and laser radiation ("directed energy weapons" -- the long- feared weaponization of the electromagnetic spectrum.

And Congress and the mainstream media are largely unaware.

A parallel array of federal "programs of personal financial destruction" slowly decimate the family finances of "target" families -- surely a factor in the mortgage meltdown that precipitated the global financial crisis.

And Congress and the mainstream media are largely unaware.

When victims complain, they are told there is "nothing to investigate."

True -- because federal and local authorities KNOW ALL ABOUT IT.

Will Congress, the national press corps, and Team Obama wake up and realize that democracy and human rights are being stolen at the GRASSROOTS?


http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | July 16, 2009 3:19 PM

As if all the defense spending under Reagan wasn't pork-barrel big-government stuff? That probably did stimulate the economy in the DC area and in regions with big-pork defense plants, but I don't see the difference between that and Obama's pork plan, except that you disagree with what Obama is spending it on. It's the same principle. And we never used most of those defense systems anyway. If you were a military person in the 80s (i.e., a government employee), you no doubt liked this kind of spending, but for people like me who spent the 80s in WV, we didn't see any of the stimulated economic engine to which you refer.


"FACT CHECK:
Although Reagan inherited high taxes and high unemployment from Carter, he didn't fix the problem by creating more government SOCIAL programs and raising taxes. He LOWERED taxes across the board and stimulated the economic engine through increased defense spending (STARWARS, SDI and the 600 ship Navy) that benefited the whole defense sector. The software and hardware spin-offs from technologies created during this time are what laid the foundation for the internet and the dot.com boom.

And yes, Joe Bad-hair-plugs-for-men is a total buffoon."

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 2:49 PM

Posted by: justin_timberwolf | July 16, 2009 3:19 PM

Dems and the media love to blame the Bush administration for the problems that obama 'inherited'. However, if you do honest analysis of the economic political trends you will notice that things started to change after the 2006 election where the democrats became the majority in congress. The Pelosi and Reid led congress declared the 'war in Iraq lost' and nothing got done for two years. Pelosi and Reid stonewalled on every bill that was proposed except the minimum wage bill (some cake for the minions).

The economy started faltering in 2007 and Pelosi and Reid stood in the way of any sort of reform or bill (Republican ideas maybe?) proposed by the Republicans such as Medicare-Social Security reform, Border security-illegal allien issues, defense spending, US led independent energy production initiatives, reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, unethical lending practice reform, etc, etc.

For TWO years nothing got done in congress, all done in order to 'set the stage' for a Democrat presidential candidate victory. Brilliant political strategy but at what cost? Go back to the begining of 2007 and look for yourself at the upward unemployment trends, the downward houseing market trends, interest rates, energy cost spikes, etc, and see who was at the helm.

Democrats.

"it's your jelly donut...they're paying for it...now you eat it Privat Pyle!!"

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 3:18 PM

There is only one word I can think of to describe our current political situation - DEPRESSING - nothing makes any sense.
We have elected a totally unqualified President with a socialistic agenda - never ran a business, never held a private sector job - he came to us with lots and lots of baggage - no one seemed to care - he outlined a socialistic agenda for this country - no one seemed to care. Under Obama the federal government has totally taken over or plans to take over every aspect of our free enterprise system, our economy and run it out of Washington.
WAKE UP AMERICA - OUR COUNTRY IS BEING DIMINISHED ON A DAILY BASIS.

Posted by: raltiere | July 16, 2009 3:17 PM

Re JohnDinHouston - or they could legitimately disagree that has massively increased overly large deficits and isn't working as promised. I guess ad hominem slurs like this make people feel good, but they surely don't advance any debate.

Also, re JRM2, selectively picking the worst years under Reagan as his policies helped pull us out of Carter's 70s depression isn't very convincing. Overall, Reagan's policies led to a flourishing economy and massive job growth.

Posted by: botw | July 16, 2009 3:14 PM

Joe B.S. Biden is as phone as a $3.00 bill. I hope the people in Virginia are smart enough to ask Joe if the Recovery Plan is working in mine and his home state of Delaware. Joe can proudly stand up and state that under his VP leadership both the GM and Chrsyler plants in Delaware have both been closed in the past three months. Way to go, Joe. You're doing a great job for all us Delawareans who helped make you famous. Ugh!

Posted by: wlkelly | July 16, 2009 3:13 PM

These people are WILLFULY destroying the United States of America. It is planned and it is deliberate. They know exactly what they are doing. It is time for millions to march in Washington PEACEFULLY surround Congress and the White House and demand they step down. Then all the members of Congress who passed all these bills and Obama should be tried for treason and thrown into Pelican Bay Prison for the rest of their lives and never be let out of their cells or see another human being again.

Posted by: 3108frank | July 16, 2009 3:12 PM

Joe, you see teachers in schools?? Aren't they on summer vacation?? Me thinks you lie :0

Posted by: redfred | July 16, 2009 3:08 PM

Ahhh, yes. A slew of entirely predictable comments from the loyal, bitter followers of the party of NO (formerly known as the Republican party). As someone pointed out, about 10% of the money has been spent, and the idea-free party of NO is already calling the stimulus a 100% failure. Wake up folks, it took 8 years of George W. to get us into this hole, it will take more than 6-months to get us out.

Posted by: jdm21 | July 16, 2009 3:07 PM

Obama's non-plan has the US in the tank. His massive wealth redistribution plan with cap and trade, health care rejiggering, and fraud with his 32 Czars; massive government control of everything is on the way. Obama is just like all the rest of those Chicago, politicians. Saul Alinski writes a book on "12 Rules for Community Organizing" and we have a colossally incompetent administration with a majority in the House and Senate who have lost sight of our economic and political future.

Posted by: shearwatersoil | July 16, 2009 3:04 PM

I guess he hasn't been to Michigan in a while. Just this week nObama called Gov. Granholm "one of the best governors in the country"! Meanwhile Michigan is soaring past the national unemployment and foreclosure rates and faces a real threat of turning into Arkansas or Mississippi. Democratic politics and Union greed has killed this state and will do the same to the nation.
Joe "blowhard" Biden can say all the BS he wants to about how "it's" working. Michigan is proof that is is not working and will never work.

No one submits to tyranny, they just realize one day that they made a mistake in believing the words of a tyrant. One should take special care to understand what tyranny is and what liberty is and then assess the current state of affairs for what it is...an attempt to disguise tyranny as democracy.

Posted by: hiregregtoday | July 16, 2009 3:03 PM

And we are going to believe Joe Biden because????

Give me a break, the entire Obama economy plan is a monumental failure, driving the US into the worst recession and financial crash in history.

This country cannot survive four years of Obama - and he owns this one! Perhaps he should start reading the bills enacted by Congress he signs them. All I read is BLOATED ROTTEN PORK - all going to the congresses favorite projects, and lining their pockets.

By the way, please note that Congress will not be required to participate in the government mandated health care - they have their own platinum package, all paid for my the tax payers, for life!

Posted by: magsthecat1 | July 16, 2009 3:03 PM

The Republicans need to borrow from Rhamny and not let this crisis go without capitalizing on it. They need to go back to their conservative Reagan roots and hammer these socialists especially on the Supreme Court Marxist nominee and these two ridiculous bills that are before us. The American people need to contact the Blue dog dems and tell them to vote against it as well or face discharge in 2010. I am confident that the majority of Americans have seen enough of this socialist agenda and will elect conservatives in the future. This is ridiculous. Biden is part of the problem not much difference between he and his boss. Both are dufusses.

Posted by: wrstmkr | July 16, 2009 3:02 PM

Biden is continuing to be an embarrassment to the entire country. I don't think Joe has had a good look around for himself. Get out more Joe and talk to real Americans, you know, the ones you are supposed to represent, and maybe you will SEE reality.
You and Barry are not making us happy Joe; and you will have to go in 2012.....we'll clip your wings in the 2010 elections by a landslide.

Posted by: David63 | July 16, 2009 3:02 PM

The most significant problem the VP and POTUS are going to face is the false hope they have given people. Disappointment is not something someone forgets easily. Pork barrel spending does not solve problems. Instead, it often has unintended consequences. The VP needs to accept some facts. Government spending and deficiet growth does not light a fire under the economy. In fact, it stamps out the embers that are waiting for a little fuel.

Posted by: kb7032 | July 16, 2009 3:01 PM

The unemployment rate has nearly doubled to 9.5% since the beginning of 2008. Kevin Jenkins mentioned something about this: https://www.mindreign.com/en/mindshare.mr. Good place for intelligent conversation... anyhow I say enough of the BS. The facts clearly do not support what Biden is saying.

Posted by: silverfox3 | July 16, 2009 2:59 PM

2001 when Bush came into the WH the economy was not good. He did not blame Clinton. 9-11 happened in Sept. The economy was shaky. But the Bush adm did everything to make the economy grow. Jobs created by small business. Lowest unemployment in many years. That is until the Demokrats got control of congress. These crisis's we have now were created in the '90's. They planned on Gore winning in 2000. If this had happened we would have been in this spot 9 years earlier. What do the Dems say... "Don't let a crisis go to waste"... they haven't.

Posted by: hurleyboo | July 16, 2009 2:59 PM

eomcmars:

So, in your opinion, the main problem the Republicans lack is ideas. With ideas like the $750 billion crap sandwich, printing money to buy our own bonds, government run healthcare, amnesty for illegals, and higher taxes on the only people capable of creating sustainable jobs, I prefer the alternative any day of the week. We've already seen the result of this kind of economic nonsense in California.

Posted by: GodFamilyNation | July 16, 2009 2:57 PM

Who gives a sh_t what Biden says? Let me make this perfectly clear - he's wrong! He's taken the lazy way out in not providing the facts of Obama's and his miserable economic non-stimulus. My son has been looking for a job since he graduated from college as a software programmer and nobody as yet will hire him. The company I work for has had numerous layoffs and cut back on the hours of those who remain. I'm back to scrimping and saving again, twice. Once, after the era of Ronald Reagan and second, after the era of George W. Bush. During their reigns as President, I was able to enjoy steaks and enjoyed going out to eat once in a while. I'm not alone in this predicament. There are many others who have the same hardships. It used to be nice just starting to live comfortably without being rich. Also, I don't blame the rich. The class envy is eminating from the rich Democrats who want to remain elite and do as they please with YOUR (taxpayers') money.

Posted by: Awkins | July 16, 2009 2:57 PM

What planet is he visiting?

Posted by: djl130 | July 16, 2009 2:55 PM

Biden, still trying to sprinkle the "fairy dust"! What a moron, does he really believe the Marxist propaganda fed to the state-run media by Axlenut-rod, Rahm Emmanuel and the Soros new world order consortium; or does he just not know any better having never worked at a real job in his life (along with the illegal alien "president" and most of the elites in congress)

This is the "hope" an "change" the drones were suckered into voting for. These jerks lied to get elected and now that they're in, they tell even bigger lies. Every time Obama talks he's reading the lies being fed to the teleprompter. I just hope all the idiots that voted for this thug still like it in about 6 months when the economy collapses!

Posted by: typicalwhiteguy | July 16, 2009 2:54 PM

This clueless bunch of politicians are about to punish the people that have been successful. Obama is going around in circles and will soon unwind. He is assuring himself of a one term Presidency, hope we can hang on.

Posted by: ltierney2 | July 16, 2009 2:49 PM

"It is not in Joe Biden's DNA to submit to tyranny; I speak with some insight as to how his mind works.

"I don't know this for a fact, but I'm betting that for him, as for me, the events of Nov. 22nd, 1963 left our generation with some unfinished business, a fact that may be lost on the Machiavellians in his midst."

-- From comments section, "Bush Torture Memos OK'ed Radiation Weapons Use..."

http://nowpublic.com/world/bush-torture-memos-oked-radiation-weapon-use-americans-too


Posted by: scrivener50 | July 16, 2009 2:49 PM

Not a little biased are we now?...I don't seem to recall a '43 The Bush Presidency' page on the WaPo for the past 8 years?

FACT CHECK:
Although Reagan inherited high taxes and high unemployment from Carter, he didn't fix the problem by creating more government SOCIAL programs and raising taxes. He LOWERED taxes across the board and stimulated the economic engine through increased defense spending (STARWARS, SDI and the 600 ship Navy) that benefited the whole defense sector. The software and hardware spin-offs from technologies created during this time are what laid the foundation for the internet and the dot.com boom.

And yes, Joe Bad-hair-plugs-for-men is a total buffoon.

Posted by: theRightside | July 16, 2009 2:49 PM

Biden can say whatever he wants, but the fact of the matter is that people in the private sector are getting laid off and taking pay cuts everyday. I took 3 pay cuts before I was finally laid off in May. 4 people on my street have been laid off since June, and the company that my husband works for laid off 20 people just last week. The only people in my area who aren't suffering are government employees, cops & teachers.

Posted by: LMGordon | July 16, 2009 2:46 PM

Joe, I looked around and saw foreclosed homes, I saw 10% unemployment, I saw empty storefronts.

Joe, you are right that I saw union workers still having their jobs.

Posted by: jdcw | July 16, 2009 2:45 PM

Unemployment at 9.5% and going up.... companies afraid to invest in new equipment, afraid to hire new employees, etc. because they have no idea where the politicians might lurch next... The federal deficit several times higher than its ever been, and growing... Yep! sure sounds like its working!

Posted by: StanM1 | July 16, 2009 2:38 PM

Based on the comments so far, it looks like the Republicans are good at only one thing and that's namecalling. Too bad they're totally lacking in ideas, but then given the example their "leaders" in Congress set, I guess we shouldn't be too harsh on them.

Posted by: eomcmars | July 16, 2009 2:37 PM

What results?? You mean the huge deficit? High unemployment? Rapidly collapsing economy? Unprecedented government intrusion? Get back on your beloved trains, Joe and leave the thinking to people who can.

With each passing day, we don't see the hope and change that was promised. In fact we don't see anything that comrade obama promised, except for change that nobody really wanted.

What a disaster

Posted by: tired170 | July 16, 2009 2:35 PM

Well Biden needs to travel a little south in Virginia to Danville and try to tell them that it's working. He'll have a big crowd because not many people are working.

Posted by: garyS1 | July 16, 2009 2:34 PM

You gotta love Joe. He's such a clown. Obama's first big decision.

Posted by: lcary | July 16, 2009 2:34 PM

Biden is a buffoon.

Posted by: loudountaxrevolt | July 16, 2009 2:25 PM

The shining Republican beacon Ronald Reagan (the only thing the Repubs can claim was good for them in the last 30 years and even that is debatable) had HIGHER TAXES and HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT two years into his first term.

And the Repubs want to dump Obama after 6 months because he was left with an economic catastrophe.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 16, 2009 2:04 PM

Biden is a loud mouthed idiot. Let him take aim, because the dolt couldn't find his own a$s with both hands.
Neither he nor his dumbo boss have a clue about the economy, and he has admitted it at least twice.
Contrary to what the liberal class envy crowd thinks, this pork bill isn't going to cure anything. It sure will cause some misery though.
What a disgrace Biden and his incompetent boss are.

Posted by: LarryG62 | July 16, 2009 2:03 PM

Once again, our esteemed representatives from the "R" side of the aisle are more interested in being good Republicans then good Americans.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 16, 2009 1:57 PM

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