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Both Sides Adjust as Reform Deadline Nears

By John Amick

After a tumultuous week for the effort to reform health care that saw President Obama and Democrats in Congress step back from their timetable for advancing legislation, White House officials and Democrats are stressing the need to iron out differences among Senate and House versions of reform.

"We're less interested in hard deadlines than in moving the process forward," said David Axelrod, senior adviser to President Obama, on CNN's "State of the Union." "The deadlines have had a disciplining effect. Three of the five committees of jurisdiction in the Congress have passed bills, the other two are working hard on it."

Axelrod dismissed the likely slipping of the original Obama-imposed August 7 deadline, when Congress will begin a month-long recess, saying action this major would inevitably linger after the recess anyway, even if the House and Senate had bills ready to vote on.

"We want to move the process forward, even if both the House and the Senate had voted on these bills before the break, this would still go ... well into the fall because then you'd have to reconcile those two bills and there'd be continued debate," Axelrod said.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) insists that while the House is still negotiating three different proposals of their own, she is confident the House will advance legislation in a timely manner.

"When I take this bill to the floor, it will win," Pelosi said on CNN when questioned whether she will have the support necessary in the House to pass a bill. "But we will move forward. This will happen."

A continuing criticism of Obama made by Republicans and conservative Democrats alike throughout the reform process has been the President's lack of insistence on what exactly he wants from the end product and what he would and would not support. He had maintained a desire for open-mindedness in order to avoid committing to certain proposals that could hinder the debate. Axelrod addressed that point on CBS's "Face the Nation."

"If there is a consensus for an idea and people are looking for his view on it, he will give them that view," Axelrod said. "That consensus hasn't emerged yet. That is why people have been working all weekend long, day and night on this and will into this week and next, so, you know, I am sure that this process will move along. The fact is everyone is focused on the fact that we have some issues left to resolve."

Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.) said on "Face the Nation" that while the White House is increasing their level of participation with Congress, complete cooperation is still lacking.

"We want more White House leadership," said Cooper, a leader of conservative Democrats known as the Blue Dogs, who have emerged as more of a force than Republicans to slow the administration's plans for reform. "Now they have been increasingly good at this where they are more and more engaged, but the real question is not about authorship. It is more about craftsmanship, a bill that works and the president has laid down excellent guidelines."

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs contradicted any assertions of problematic disengagement from the White House.

"Staff and the president met for several hours with Democrats in the White House this week again," Gibbs said on "Fox News Sunday." "He's been on the phone with major players in the Republican Party on health care reform. I think the White House is very intimately involved in this."

Cooper said he's not convinced that Speaker Pelosi has the votes in the House to pass legislation as of yet, but he does think that agreement in both the Senate and the House on the details of reform is more advanced than is widely assumed.

"We are still in the earliest stages of drafting reform, we have a long way to go," Cooper said. "A lot of agreement is out there and I think David Axelrod is right. We have agreement on 70 or 80 percent of the legislation but it is important we get the other details right too."

For their part, Republicans in Congress said they want to stall what they see as hasty action in reforming America's health-care system, which commands about one-sixth of the American economy, and make the process more of a bipartisan approach.

"The only thing bipartisan about the measure so far is the opposition to it," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on "State of the Union."

McConnell pointed to the difficulties Democrats have had in keeping their own party on the same page as a sign that the reform effort thus far has been stunted and one-sided.

"At some point, they understand that in order to comfort their own members and to have broad support among the American people, it will need to be bipartisan. So far, they have produced a measure that they cannot sell even to their own members," McConnell said in reference to disagreements between conservative and more liberal Democrats in Congress.

Sen. Kent Conrad (D-S.D.) shot down a desire to pass a lopsided proposal when asked if the Senate could push through a bill that Democrats could agree on without Republican support.

"No, (that) is not possible and perhaps not desirable either," Conrad said on ABC's "This Week." "We're probably going to get a better product if we go through the tough business of debate, consideration, and analysis of what we're proposing."

But while voicing a desire to continue down a bipartisan path in the next crucial weeks, Conrad acknowledged what he considered obstructive tactics from Republicans.

"Jim, I think has been very clear, he wants to kill it," Conrad said in reference to his counterpart on "This Week," Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.). "And I think that would be a tragedy because we've got a crisis here for the country."

DeMint made news this past week saying he thought that if Republicans could derail the current effort of reform, it would be Obama's "Waterloo" moment, breaking the momentum of the President's agenda.

"We could have a plan in a few weeks ... if the goal is not a government takeover," DeMint said in reference to a major roadblock for Republicans, the chance of the inclusion of any sort of public option to compete with private insurance providers. "This is about the most personal service that Americans have. We don't want to a bureaucrat (dictating care)."

When asked about the likelihood of partly funding reform through taxing high-end insurance policies, or "Cadillac" plans, Axelrod said the White House was interested in the option since it would largely avoid affecting the middle class, yet, true to pattern, was non-committal.

"Our big concern is that we not impose vast new burdens on the middle class," Axelrod said on CNN. "So he (Obama) said that it's an intriguing proposal, we're looking at that. But we're waiting for the committees to finish their work."

McConnell hinted that some Republicans are attracted to the idea.

"Well, some of our members think that that's a reasonable way to go," McConnell said.

On NBC's "Meet the Press," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave her view on health-care reform. Clinton said she agrees with the sense of urgency in Washington to reconstruct the country's health-care system.

"I applaud the president for taking it on right off the bat," Clinton said. "You know, there are many problems we're dealing with in our country, and certainly he could have said, 'OK, fine, we'll get to that when we get to it.' But he's waded right into it. And I am somewhat encouraged by what I see happening in the Congress. You know, I've been there. I know how hard this is."

Clinton, who was First Lady in 1993 when she and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, spearheaded reform only to see their proposals ultimately fail. She said the atmosphere for overhaul is different than it was 16 years ago.

"It's different because I think everybody's now convinced there's a problem," Clinton said. "Back in '93 we had to keep making the case over and over again. Well, now we know costs will continue to rise. For everybody who has insurance, there is no safe haven, their costs will go up."

Clinton hinted that she and Obama have discussed health-care reform, among other domestic issues, though she would not divulge any specifics. She said she does think reform will be successful this time around.

"I think that the time has come," she said. "I think this president is committed to it. I think the leadership in Congress understands we have to do something. And I, I think we'll get, we'll get it done."

Best of the Rest

- Clinton on North Korea:

"We want to make clear to North Korea that their behavior is not going to be rewarded. In the past they believe that they have acted out, done things which really went against the norms of the international community and somehow then were rewarded. Those days are over. We believe that the six-party talk framework which had everybody included is the appropriate way to engage with North Korea."

- Axelrod on Obama addressing the Henry Louis Gates-Cambridge Police Department controversy:

"I think he understood that the debate was veering off in the wrong direction and as he said, that his words may have contributed to that so he felt a responsibility to step forward and kind of cool the situation down and acknowledge the fact that he had, as he said, calibrated his words poorly and had contributed to that."

- McConnell on cooperation between the White House and Republicans:

"You know, the president's trying to do most of these things on the far left. I think the stimulus was a big mistake. I think we can, you know, fairly safely declare it now a failure. It was sold to us as something that was going to jolt the economy, that was going to hold unemployment to 8 percent. Unemployment's going over 10 percent."

- Axelrod on the economic stimulus, on CNN:

"... I would point out that he says not just to provide a jolt in the short run, but to give us a long-term recovery or lay the foundation for a long-term recovery. And, in fact, I think that the Recovery Act has done that. The -- if you look at what the economists are projecting now and we're about to hear what the growth numbers were for the second quarter, many outside experts are now saying they expect that the Recovery Act added 2 to 3 points of growth in the second quarter and helped slow the rate of this recession."

- Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) on "Fox News Sunday," on the possible delay of health-care reform:

"You know, this is a democratic republic, where the people are supposed to tell us what to do. They've now heard about a lot of different plans, and I think it's a very good thing for us to go back home over the August recess, lay it out to our constituents and say, "All right, folks, what do you think we ought to do? Here are the pros and cons of all of these different proposals. The American people need to speak to this. And I think, if they do, we'll make much wiser decisions."

- Pelosi on the Democrats' handling of the sagging economy:

"I do think the health care bill is a stimulus package. I do believe that our energy bill was, for the creation of new green jobs, a jump start. I just remind you of this. When we passed our budget 100 days after the president became president, House and Senate both passed the budget that day, same day. And at that time, we passed a budget that had three pillars to turn the economy around, to create jobs and to lower the deficit -- energy, education, and health care."

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Ok according to many of these posts, the government health bill will cause --
1. Euthanization of the elderly and terminally ill people
2. Encourage more women to have abortions
3. Include providing health insurance for 40+ million illegal aliens
4. Put our country into bankruptcy by costing trillions and trillions of $s.
5. Put our insurance companies out of business
6. Rationing of health care
7. Government takeover
8. Our country to turn to communism/socialism
9. The Republicans now care more about the poor, sick, and middle-class than they did the last 8 years.

I have to say that it sounds convincing. Please post your sources that can prove all the these socialist, liberal, Obama worshiping posters here wrong. Oh I forgot the only stipulation is they must be considered reliable and unbiased.

Posted by: 45summer | July 27, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Demint says "We don't want to a bureaucrat (dictating care)."

What? What country does this guy live in? How can he be so ignorant? Deliberately maybe?

Get real - we already have private insurance company bureaucrats rationing care, denying care and cutting off people's insurance right now!

Posted by: bystander3 | July 27, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

People beware.
There is an e mail going around that claims to be the health care plan, full of distortions, swithboating, with senders comments.
Unfortunately, there will be some who will accept it as gospel.
If you receive one respond to sender and others involved advising you will not support or accept this garbage.
They are using every dirty tactic they can find to destroy health care reform.

Posted by: kathlenec | July 27, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Unless workers at the bottom of the heap get affordable adequate health care soon, increasing rates of infectious disease, accidents, and early death will shortly trickle all the way up to America's multi-millionaires and billionaires.

The physical well-being of every American - including the physical well-being of congressmen, senators, presidents, governors,  lobbyists, bankers, titans of industry, multi-millionaires, and the friends and family members of each -  daily depends upon the health  and conscientious work of several of the following: maids; people who clean restrooms; servers,  dishwashers, and cooks  in restaurants;  childcare workers;   hospital and nursing home employees; all caregivers; all grocery store employees; people who harvest fruits and vegetables, and others who put the fruits and vegetables on store shelves; people who slaughter chickens, turkeys,  hogs,  cattle,  sheep, and goats and people who process the meat for market; people who process fish for market; people who clean slaughterhouses; people who work in canning  and bottling factories, including all who clean the factories;  food inspectors; and countless more.

Our risk of becoming ill increases when they work despite being very sick, or if they must work much faster than normal in order to take up the slack when someone else is out sick. Our risk of being injured in a vehicle accident increases if they drive when they are too sick to drive safely, and if they drive when they are two tired to drive safely - from working at two or three low-wage jobs to pay their bills, including their medical bills.

It is in the "self-interest" of congressmen, senators, presidents, governors,  lobbyists, bankers, titans of industry, multi-millionaires, friends and family members of each, and of the rest of us, to make decent, affordable healthcare available to these whose work is so essential to our well-being.

Posted by: cmills4470 | July 27, 2009 2:32 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS IT!

The healthcare reform bill released by the House Of Representatives is an excellent bill as I understand it. It's a bill with a strong, robust, government-run public option, and an intelligent, reasonable initial funding plan to cover almost all of the American people. It is carefully written, and thoughtfully constructed, informed, prudent and wise. This bill will save trillions of dollars, and millions of your lives. It is also now supported by the AMA.

This is the type of bill that all Americans can feel good about. And this is the type of bill that has the potential to dramatically improve the quality of healthcare for all Americans. Rich, middle class and poor a like. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and all other party affiliations. This bill has the potential to dramatically improve the quality of life of every American.

The house healthcare bill should be viewed as the minimum GOLD STANDARD by which all other proposed healthcare legislation should be judged. All supporters of true high quality healthcare reform should now place all your support behind this healthcare reform bill released by the United States House Of Representatives, as the minimum Gold standard for healthcare reform in America.

You should all now support this bill with all your might, and all of your unrelenting tenacity. This healthcare bill is a VERY, VERY GOOD! bill for all of the American people. Fight tooth, and nail for every bit of this bill if you have too. Be aggressive, creative, and relentless for this bill.

From this time forward, go BIGGER and DEEPER with the American people every day until passage of healthcare reform with a robust, government-run public option.

FIGHT!! like your life and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. BECAUSE IT DOES!

SPREAD THE WORD

Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk&feature=player_embedded)

God Bless You

Jack Smith — Working Class

Posted by: JackSmith1 | July 27, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS IT!

The healthcare reform bill released by the House Of Representatives is an excellent bill as I understand it. It's a bill with a strong, robust, government-run public option, and an intelligent, reasonable initial funding plan to cover almost all of the American people. It is carefully written, and thoughtfully constructed, informed, prudent and wise. This bill will save trillions of dollars, and millions of your lives. It is also now supported by the AMA.

This is the type of bill that all Americans can feel good about. And this is the type of bill that has the potential to dramatically improve the quality of healthcare for all Americans. Rich, middle class and poor a like. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and all other party affiliations. This bill has the potential to dramatically improve the quality of life of every American.

The house healthcare bill should be viewed as the minimum GOLD STANDARD by which all other proposed healthcare legislation should be judged. All supporters of true high quality healthcare reform should now place all your support behind this healthcare reform bill released by the United States House Of Representatives, as the minimum Gold standard for healthcare reform in America.

You should all now support this bill with all your might, and all of your unrelenting tenacity. This healthcare bill is a VERY, VERY GOOD! bill for all of the American people. Fight tooth, and nail for every bit of this bill if you have too. Be aggressive, creative, and relentless for this bill.

From this time forward, go BIGGER and DEEPER with the American people every day until passage of healthcare reform with a robust, government-run public option.

FIGHT!! like your life and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. BECAUSE IT DOES!

SPREAD THE WORD

Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk&feature=player_embedded)

God Bless You

Jack Smith — Working Class

Posted by: JackSmith1 | July 27, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

God, the repuglican nutjobs are out in force. Paranoid, Limbaugh-parroting nutjobs, one and all.

I am SO glad that you were able to make it in this world without the help of anyone else. Jumped right out of the womb and straight into your first job (which paid well above minimum wage). No one else on this earth has had ANYTHING to do with your good fortune. You are SELF MADE. You owe nothing to anybody. Why you aren't president is beyond anyone's guess.

I can't fathom any group that claims to love America but demonstrates nothing but utter contempt for Americans. Tell me, how much will it take in tax cuts for you to buy back your soul?

Posted by: lincolnhunt | July 26, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

This is in reply to "THIS IT". It is not it......do you believe in Euthanasia... do you even know what is it? It is Dr. assisted suicide...Dr. will show you how to kill yourself) and medically eliminated healthcare for the elderly. Do you believe "Just quit living! Do you believe in rationed healthcare? Do you believe in abortion? Do you believe in more governmental control over your life and health? Will you enjoy your loss of freedom of speech, freedom of choice, liberty, the pursuit of happiness? I think you ought to re-think your position on healthcare and the American way.

Posted by: daggydogger | July 26, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, don't forget the supposed 46 million that don't have or don't choose to have healthcare because they don't think they need it. That's their choice, they'd rather pay as they go or whatever. But then there are all the ILLEGAL ALIENS....probably those are the 46 million!!!! They come into our country illegally and aren't even citizens and are given free healthcare!? That's what happened in California and hospitals went broke! I'm not rich by any means but I'd rather have free market medicine. Listen to the Republicans and quit knocking them. They have presented some good options for HC but they are not publicized on MSM or by BO. Socialized medicine means more government control and rationed healthcare! No more government control!!!! Open your eyes America and see the light....BO, the Congress, House. Supreme Court, Senate, Pelosi, Reid are all SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS, NAZI',... take your name. It's the truth and we've all been had thanks to MSM BO. I'm sick and tired of all the lies we"ve been told, propaganda, money just disappearing, etc. This Socialized Healthcare is all they need to make their goal complete. Whatever happened to liberty, freedom of speech, The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence??? Doesn't anyone care about our once wonderful AMERICA? We certainly can't afford another trillion dollars in debt. Stop ending millions a month to Africa, Israel, etc...then maybe we could have the money for the HC. Nothing is for FREE.... like some of you believe it is.

Posted by: daggydogger | July 26, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

WHAT GOOD IS HEALTH CARE REFORM WHEN A SECRET SECURITY/MILITARY/INTEL 'MULTI-AGENCY COORDINATED ACTION PROGRAM' IS DESTROYING THE LIVES AND LIVELIHOODS OF UNJUSTLY 'TARGETED' AMERICANS...

...BY MEANS OF A GPS-ACTIVATED CIVILIAN VIGILANTE 'COMMUNITY STALKING' ARMY; CO-OPTED LOCAL POLICE; FINANCIAL SABOTAGE; AND THE DEPLOYMENT OF SILENT, INJURY- AND ILLNESS-INDUCING MICROWAVE/ LASER 'DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS'?

***

• President Obama must dismantle the nationwide GPS-activated extrajudicial targeting and punishment "torture matrix" and remove from power the federal officials who continue to oversee it.

TEAM OBAMA: Wake up and smell the police state that is making a mockery of the rule of law -- a clear and present danger to democracy, and to your presidency.

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

A WHITE ETHNIC'S 'PROF. GATES MOMENT':

http://nowpublic.com/world/anti-stalking-journo-seeks-lawyer-fight-stalking-charge

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | July 26, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

If you do not know how to make the economy thrive again step down and let an American Patriot show you how ! ! !

Posted by: Imarkex | July 26, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Fix the economy by cutting taxes ; Big cuts .To businesses and individuals . Play your green energy game (If you must) and start drilling and refineing our own oil Work on getting people OFF welfare instead of on it . Healthcare will take care of it's self if people have MORE money . Then worry about those that cannot get their own healthcare .By cutting the number on Gov. care you would NOT be asking the elderly to just go ahead and die .There would NOT be a waiting list . When you start to deny healthcare to the elderly because they are to old THEN it will be time to remake America MAKE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT ! YOU DECLARED WAR AND WAR YOU WILL HAVE ! ! ! !

Posted by: Imarkex | July 26, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Republican, but still agree that there needs to be some kind of health insurance reform.

I've watched my employer-sponsered coverage eroded over the course of the last 15 years, largely due to premium increases of up to 30% after a year or two that my employer just simply can't pay.

So every couple of years, I have to change my primary care physician because my old doctor won't accept the new watered-down plan and deal with a new set of rules for what is and is not covered.

Congressional Republicans need to use this additional time to formulate, present and promote to the American public an alternative plan that will address the needs of the middle class, with protection for heath care professionals and companies against frivilous malpractice suits.

I demand that they show leadership on this issue, and take away from leftists the excuse that they are simply the party of "no".

Posted by: EddietheInfidel | July 26, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS IT!

The healthcare reform bill released by the House Of Representatives is an excellent bill as I understand it. It's a bill with a strong, robust, government-run public option, and an intelligent, reasonable initial funding plan to cover almost all of the American people. It is carefully written, and thoughtfully constructed, informed, prudent and wise. This bill will save trillions of dollars, and millions of your lives. It is also now supported by the AMA.

This is the type of bill that all Americans can feel good about. And this is the type of bill that has the potential to dramatically improve the quality of healthcare for all Americans. Rich, middle class and poor a like. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and all other party affiliations. This bill has the potential to dramatically improve the quality of life of every American.

The house healthcare bill should be viewed as the minimum GOLD STANDARD by which all other proposed healthcare legislation should be judged. All supporters of true high quality healthcare reform should now place all your support behind this healthcare reform bill released by the United States House Of Representatives, as the minimum Gold standard for healthcare reform in America.

You should all now support this bill with all your might, and all of your unrelenting tenacity. This healthcare bill is a VERY, VERY GOOD! bill for all of the American people. Fight tooth, and nail for every bit of this bill if you have too. Be aggressive, creative, and relentless for this bill.

From this time forward, go BIGGER and DEEPER with the American people every day until passage of healthcare reform with a robust, government-run public option.

FIGHT!! like your life and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. BECAUSE IT DOES!

SPREAD THE WORD

Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk&feature=player_embedded)

God Bless You

Jack Smith — Working Class

Posted by: JackSmith1 | July 26, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

This HC bill will never pass unless people stop being so pigheaded and biased and ignorant..... all the government cares about is themselves!

They do not care about the disabled, veterans, mentally ill, and especially not the elderly!! "Just quit living!?". How will they decide who lives and dies...what are the rules?...costing too much money?

check the HC bill out--It distinctly states, now this is a HC bill remind you...."THE GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE ELECTION FUND RIGHT OUT OF YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT"!!! Talk about thugs, crooks, con artists! What the h k does this have to do with healthcare. This is a sick and sad world we are now living in...for how long I wonder!

Posted by: daggydogger | July 26, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I think we can stop arguing with our repuglican friends. Until they can bottle air and figure out a way to sell it to us, there's no way to please them. They actually think the last 8 years have been good for our country, and they want more of the same.

Just as long as their life is agreeable, the rest of us can go to hell. The self-centered perspective of the average repuglican boggles the mind.

There is absolutely no way that health care should be the privilege of a few. My good fortune has given me access to health care that meets my needs. I won't deny that same RIGHT to others.

One wonders how so many repuglicans claim to be Christians? They show no sense of love and concern for the well-being of their fellow man and woman. Instead, they becomes shills of the same wealthy and powerful forces against whom Jesus struggled.

Go read the beatitudes a few more times and then come back and rail against health care some more, hypocrite.

Posted by: lincolnhunt | July 26, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

"Dems have the Presidency, and large majorities in the Senate and the House. Just "change" the country and stop all your carping. How can the GOP obstruct anything? Just do your magic, end of story. With your hegemony, there are no excuses. Posted by: lure1 | July 26, 2009 9:21 PM

Why do the Dems need any Republicans? Fifty one voters will pass the bill.They are afraid of the consequences when the voters realize that the illegals are covered, abortions are funded by the taxpayers, and the care of the elderly is rationed.They want to shift the blame when the costs quadruple and health care joins medicare and social security as insovlvent programs. Posted by: tsapp77 "

Well, at least two Republicans have it figured out, at least partly. We DON'T need republicans to have universal health care. WE will get universal health care, Republican obstructionism or not.

Republicans can work with us, or pay the price of standing in the way of health care reform.

By the way, Using the graphs in a trade paper I could find on Google, I sort of calculate that the U. S. imported $5 trillion worth of goods, April 2008 to April 2009. A ten percent tariff on all imports would produce $500 billion in revenue.

We CAN pay for about any plan Congress has proposed so far, should we wish to.

WILL the Republicans figure that out, or will they sit in the stands yelling "Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah Pitcher's got a big butt"?

Posted by: ceflynline | July 26, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Dems have the Presidency, and large majorities in the Senate and the House. Just "change" the country and stop all your carping.

How can the GOP obstruct anything?

Just do your magic, end of story.

With your hegemony, there are no excuses.

Posted by: lure1 | July 26, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Why do the Dems need any Republicans? Fifty one voters will pass the bill.They are afraid of the consequences when the voters realize that the illegals are covered, abortions are funded by the taxpayers, and the care of the elderly is rationed.They want to shift the blame when the costs quadruple and health care joins medicare and social security as insovlvent programs.

Posted by: tsapp77 | July 26, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

"...God forbid you are 70 and need a hip replacement and your mother lived to 95, you may not get it because you won't be worth it....Posted by katie6"

Except that in in terms of cost effectiveness, that isn't what is actually meant. In the case of hip replacements, if experience shows that severely arthritic + 70 year olds rarely actually benefit from the hip replacement because of other related problems, that the hip replacement doesn't affect, or even makes worse, but such surgeries actually tend to have complications that regularly cause a decrease in life expectancy, then MAYBE the procedure isn't cost effective. It isn't that the elderly don't rate such procedures because they won't live long enough to benefit. And when such procedures regularly severly shorten the lives of the elderly who have them, so thatmany of the recipients don't live long enough to go home and begin recuperative therapy, THAT short span and the lack of amelioration also argues against cost effectiveness.

My mother-in-law is now in hospice. Yet another intestinal blockage that MIGHT work, probably would require a colostomy, this time not reversible, and in all likelihood wouldn't extend her life by a year. In this case her choice. SHE calculates that all in all it isn't cost effective.

THAT is what the term means in this case.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 26, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"Democrat says bill can't pass Senate without bipartisan support"

This is unbelievable. Democrats hold the Senate, the House, and the Presidency. And they are going to blame REPUBLICANS for health care reform failure?

WTF?

Are we living in the Twilight Zone?


Posted by: oracle2world | July 26, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"Hey ceflynline..... Republicans had 8 years to reform health care. They didn't do a frickin' thing AT ALL. Now, all of a sudden republicans are not in charge and THEY HAVE A PLAN? Give me a break. The republicans only concern is to side against President Obama on EVERYTHING. They want Obama to fail. They are protecting the interest of the Insurance Company not the American people. If they have such a great plan why didn't they enact it when they were running the country? Posted by: kubrickstan"

You set up the score card and give the Republicans another two weeks so that, in two weeks, when nothing has changed but the number of Republicans assumed to be against the plan who have formally gone on record as being against it.

Now the Republicans have the threat of having the democrats write the entire bill, and pass it over republican Opposition, and facing their constituency, who will be armed with the real facts about Republican intransigence. THAT thought MIGHT inspire one or two latent moderates to come over from the dark side and work to get the best POSITIVE results available to him.

When it doesn't move a single member, passing the bill strictly on party line votes will be recognized by the majority as the only possible path left open to Obama and Pelosi and reid.

Actually, MY choice for national health care would be for the Government to provide Federal or State hospitals, whose entire staffs are government employees, where ever it finds insufficient hospital facilities and normal care giving clinics to give a fifteen to twenty-five percent excess in health care capability, so that when the next Spanish influenza, or the next San Francisco or New Madrdi earthquake happens the local hospital system(s) will have the capacity to deal with the disaster. We would start with building hospitals and clinics in those areas where there currently isn't ANY convenient medical support, and keep building and expanding until the Government facilities regularly operate between seventy and eighty percent of capacity.

But that is MY concept of universal health care. Note that anyone who can still afford private hospitals and clinics can go to those facilities and not have to bother with us hoi poloi. They pay taxes to support the Government system just because the government system keeps the riff raff out of their sacred private hospitals. As a part of the system, semi private hospitals, such as the vast array of formerly Catholic hospitals could contract to handle some percentage of the local patient load at some approximation of Government rates. Now having health care under the current system is still possible for those who can afford it.

Next best option is single payer.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 26, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

HEALTH CARE REFORM IS A GOOD THING – WE REALLY NEED ONE …BUT HOW?….WITH MORE ECONOMICAL BURDEN?….WHAT ELSE IS AFFECTED ?….FREEDOM ?

OBAMA,PROPAGANDIST-IN-CHIEF / PREACHER-IN-CHIEF….THE FRONT-MAN,….HIS NATIONAL CONFERENCE JULY 22,2009;

As always, a sounding convincing speech- directly from the teleprompter,…only this time the message was not as use to be,… for credibility is not there any more.Obama cannot help to mention that all the problematic is inherited,…for no excuses can be found to substaciate the inefficiency of what is done.___

If memory serves well the blame steps are ;__
1.Fannie & Freddie,..__
2. Lobbysts and speculators…__
3.now the health care situation,…all in secuence with strong emphasis on; “…WE INHERITED THIS…”
So therre had been a number of excuses, one behind the other to attmempt to escape the true resposability – that this plateau is because THEM ( THE DEMOCRAT FACTIONS).___

REALITY CHECK; – SINCE OBAMA GANG TOOK THE HELM..__
1. Over TWO MILLLIONS MORE PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED__
2. Deficit FOUR FOLDS OVER THE ORIGINAL LEVEL__
3. The so called ‘STIMULUS’ misuses and abused in CEO’s and lavish parties.__
4. A NEGATIVE HELP for California and yet THREE TIMES the money needed there, was given – AND LOST ! – to the car industry for they had to file bankrupcy anyway.__
5. National Defense is decimated in MISSILES PROTECTION , FIGHTERS AIRPLANES (F-22), …elimination for defense contracts, ….borders not protected (so drugs and illegal inmigration os at large).__
6. Nationalization (government power grab ) into virtuall everything inside the private assets….vectorizing the nation toward another second class socialist country. In other words the AMERICAN INDIVIDUALITY IS DETERIORATING.__

All this and more projection in around just six months – not a year ! – NO !, ONLY SIX MONTHS.

On top of that we are contemplating over 24 TRILLIONS DEBT for the oncomig 20 to 25 years,…and so we may be printing paper money without any value.___Boys and girls this really stinks to high heavens and down to Dante’s Divine Comedy arena__.

BEAUTIFUL TALK / PROMISES (as previously) BUT NO TANGIBLE SUBSTANCE…ONLY A POSE,..A SHOW.

And how is you day so far ? …DID ANYONE VOTE FOR THIS GARBAGE ?….WE DEFINITELLY NEED BETTER LEADERS AT HELM.__

Good day everyone,
Daneil Cabrera
Merrillville,Indiana

PS – The tv tabloids (NBC, CNN, MSNBC) , and tabloid publications such as , THE NEW YORK TIMES, THE HUFFINGTON POST, LA TIMES , etc,… along with what is left of the quasi-hypoitized brainless “utra-obamanized ” cool aid drinkers people, will not take this one lightly.

Posted by: morcab | July 26, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

ObamaCare--even the Dems hear it barking......

Posted by: JaxMax | July 26, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

This is such an important subject to all of us that to rush this through which is stuffed with really terrible things like Peter Singers worker bees idea of making medical decisions on how much of your life left is productive(teenage accident victim VS 50 yr. old father who needs and "expensive heart scan) or God forbid you are 70 and need a hip replacement and your mother lived to 95, you may not get it because you won't be worth it. I am not addressing end of life I am talking about the Hippocratic Oath and bureauocrats deciding what is cost effective.This whole proposal needs to go out the window and start over as a truly bipartisan effort taking as long as it takes to get it right. Hospitals, doctors and insurance companies know the problems and can help fix them, not politicians.We spend more than any nation on earth and have the most advanced care. It is expensive and that is why our rating done in 2000 is low. If we ruin this system we will lose doctors who will leave and not even try to go into medicine.They train long and hard and are the brightest and best and deserve to be paid well. Incidentally, there is something in this bill that they did not want us to see among much other bad stuff and that is that there should be a quota of minorities accepted in every medical school class. What,even if they do not do well on their exams? I expect my heart surgeon to be the brightest one in their class and I do not care what the skin color is. This in nonsense.Do your homework and don't bring a bill to us until it works. Start with tort reform and then get rid of the massive fraud in Medicaid and Medicare before you change what we have.

Posted by: katie6 | July 26, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

"I think some of us are also curious as to why Obama opposed an individual mandate, but supports it after being elected. Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent "

Its politics, in the true meaning of the word, and not the pejorative it gets when used by the unprincipled.

Politics is the art of being in a POLIS, a city. You may run a tribe, a village, or even the smallest of town on doctrinaire and unchanging sameness, but to have true civilization you must have compromise, and to continually engineer the necessary compromises that permit great cities and civilizations you need politicians and politics. The fundamental working theory of the competent politician is that no component of a political system can be more important than the system as a whole. When the problem you are working on is getting health care for your entire civis, you must be able to see when dropping one closely cherished component principle is necessary to advance the greater good in the encompassing product.

As it is still the function of Congress to pass these bills, it is appropriate that Congress be given its head to go in what seems best to Congress. Since that means, while the program is being built, there will be less than concrete possibilities out there, contradictory in many ways, until they are consolidated, and since it is still primarily Congress job to do the consolidation, the President is well within his place to wait, until it should become necessary for him to say no more, do it this way. We aren't at that point, yet, so Barack may seem wishy-washy, but he is advancing the greater good, and deserves a bit of patience. Most of your points are just what is currently holding up a single plan. Congress IS working on condensing this primordial miasma into terra firma. Even God got seven days. Do give Congress, and the President, just a bit of time.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 26, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

OK Repubs. Let's do nothing. Let the cost of health care swamp the whole economy. Doing nothing is your way. Don't get sick now, hear?

Posted by: taxing | July 26, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

What a stinking disappointment Obama has turned out to be as president.

Posted by: georgejones5 | July 26, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"It's interesting you say you can come up with precise info on the Democrats plan when your fearless leader hasn't even read it himself. He wants it passed ASAP. Legislation that would change this country forever. Shame shame .. Your intelligence has no beginning! Posted by: worriedmom1"

The word intended was precis, sorry about that. Spell checkers won't warn you when you add an e.

There are several plans running around in Congress, and some combination will be law.

There are NO such plans anywhere that the public can actually get at, that are more than platitudes and attitudes, all negative, from the Republicans.

At 5k characters a plan half a dozen of us liberals could describe a health care plan running through Congress, and find real differences in our PRECIS(es).

Can you actually give us ONE precis of a Republican plan?

'Til you do, your complaints about the plethora of Democratic plans ring hollow.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 26, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

To those people who are only paying superficial attention to the health care issue, they may mistakenly think Obama is showing leadership by speaking a lot about the need for health care reform. Yet Obama, by waiting until there is a consensus in Congress on controversial specific aspects of a health care bill, is showing the weakest leadership by a president on an important issue in the modern era.

Obama expects people to support his health care "reform" bill even though he has not even made up his mind deciding what key parts of a health care bill should be. How anyone, except those who lack critical thinking skills and will dutifully support whatever Obama does, support a health care bill without knowing what is in the bill?

To those people who are not blatantly partisan, that is most independents and moderates, we want to know, among other things"

1) will there be a public option

2) will the middle class pay higher taxes

3) whether there will be any subsidies, if so how much, for middle class people to buy health care insurance

4) whether illegal immigrants will receive government provided or subsidized health care insurance

5) what will be the penalty for those who do not purchase health insurance

6) for persons deemed close to the end of their lives be denied medical treatments to callously save money

7) will the same provisions of whatever health care bill emerges apply to the cabinet, White House staff, members of Congress and federal employees or will they be exempt from the system nearly everyone else is forced into

8) will Medicare benefits be reduced and/or those receiving Medicare have higher out of pocket costs

I think some of us are also curious as to why Obama opposed an individual mandate, but supports it after being elected.

By being so wishy-washy, Obama seems to prefer a health care bill more than true health care reform. Once the details in the bill become a little more clear, at least those reported in the media, most people will know whether this is a bill that should be enacted or whether there needs to be changes.

It would also be a little reassuring if Obama, Secretary of Health and Human Services, every Representative and Senator knew what they were supporting or opposing by reading the entire bill, before any votes by either fill house of Congress. Of course this is as "likely" as prejudice, poverty and injustice magically disappearing on earth by tomorrow.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | July 26, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

THE SO CALLED 'HEALTH PLAN REFORM' IS NOT ONLY ANOTHER FACTOR FOR ECONOMIC DESTRUCTION - IS A BIT MORE THAN THAT__

If intersted, anyone can go into READ, RESEARCH, INVESTIGATE, AND - 'read between' the lines'....and ultimtely ANALYZE, in multiangular way, this monstruosity of proposal.....you may find that the so called 'reform' vectorize promotional roads to ABORTION, EUTHANASIA, AND GENOCIDE. Strange right ?

The final result is but one thing, VIRTUAL STERILIZATION ON POPULATION.

But I will go even further, although the chanted 'socialized medicine' in other countries are in place not doing a great job,....is in here where to set the 'global basis' for a total ELIMINATION OF HUMAN RACE....and which would be the best pivotal starting point to do at great scale this ?,... once the circle is completed HERE the best coutry in the planet ?

Ah,....too far fetch?,.....too science fiction? (like aliens have a program of relatively slow program to erase humans from this planet ?).
Of course, is too speculative, but you know what?... if we do not think the unthinkable, that 'unthinkable' will come to be. Yes, and now - for as much we can see - here now the unthinkable is taking place systematicaly at local level...THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR COUNTRY BY THE OBAMA GANG ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL, ANTIAMERICAN,CORRUPTED ORGANIZATION.

And how your day is going so far ?

Wishing everyoone good thinking,
Daniel Cabrera
Merrillville,Indiana

Posted by: morcab | July 26, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Moonbat...oh I mean Marrobcastle I see your point, I like the Democrats plan to euthanize people they think are out to pasture, over the hill, to sick to waste medicine on, are about to buy the farm, have one foot in the grave...you know people like maybe your or my parents.

Posted by: worriedmom1 | July 26, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey ceflynline.....
Republicans had 8 years to reform health care. They didn't do a frickin' thing AT ALL. Now, all of a sudden republicans are not in charge and THEY HAVE A PLAN? Give me a break. The republicans only concern is to side against President Obama on EVERYTHING. They want Obama to fail. They are protecting the interest of the Insurance Company not the American people. If they have such a great plan why didn't they enact it when they were running the country?

Posted by: kubrickstan | July 26, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting you say you can come up with precise info on the Democrats plan when your fearless leader hasn't even read it himself. He wants it passed ASAP. Legislation that would change this country forever. Shame shame .. Your intelligence has no beginning!

Posted by: worriedmom1 | July 26, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF CONSERVATIVE COMPASSION

Republicons are not interested in the health or wealth of the men and women who fight their wars of aggression nor of the men and women whose labor produces their wealth. When these human beings can no longer do their jobs or when their jobs cease to exist for whatever reason, they are trashed like a piece of broken down equipment It is cheaper to obtain new personnel or equipment than to take care of the old. The bottom line is that as far as the Republicons are concerned, we are not human beings, we are just part of their inventory.

Posted by: marrobcastle | July 26, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Kubrickstan,

Excuse me, who made the dictator... I see the p**p doesn't fall far from the dog so to speak. It's called THE PATIENT'S CHOICE ACT and you can read it on google or The RNC web site. It doesn't have anything it that requires people over 65 to have end of life discussions every 5 years either. Wow those evil Republicans sure want people to have a long and healthy life.

Posted by: worriedmom1 | July 26, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA CARE IS BUILT ON 2 PILLARS

1. Abortion

2. Involuntary Euthanasia through withholding of medical treatment

While your Mother spared YOU from Abortion,

who will spare YOU from Euthanasia under ObamaCare and age based health rationing??

Health Based Rationing is just ObamaSpeak for NO HEALTHCARE for the Elderly, they have had a long life and care is expensive.....

Or have you found a way not to get older??

Posted by: JaxMax | July 26, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Failure to pass some measure of public health care will be the political death knell of many republican congressmen.

.

Posted by: Frank57 | July 26, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

TORT Costs are not just the Lotto "Winnings" of ambulance chasers - but the defensive medicine and insurance doctor's and hospital's must pay ... and pass on.

Cost to Health Care Providers and Patients

* PricewaterhouseCoopers calculates that medical liability concerns increase annual health care spending by $124 billion in 2006 dollars. The additional cost of liability-based health care costs adds 3.4 million Americans to the rolls of the uninsured. (“Jackpot Justice: The True Cost of America’s Tort System,” Pacific Research Institute, March 27, 2007)
* Ten percent of every dollar spent on health care is attributed to the costs of liability and defensive medicine. (“The Factors Fueling Rising Healthcare Costs 2006” PriceWaterhouseCoopers, January 2006)
* An estimated $50 billion per year is spent on unnecessary test procedures designed primarily to guard doctors and hospitals against malpractice claims. (Fear of Litigation Study, Conduced by Harris Interactive, Final Report, April 11, 2002)
* Nationwide, 45% percent of hospitals reported that the professional liability crisis has resulted in the loss of physicians and/or reduced coverage in emergency departments. (American Hospital Association, Professional Liability Insurance Survey 2003)
* Almost 80 percent of Americans concerned that frivolous lawsuits have made it harder for them and their families to get affordable health care coverage. (Sick of Lawsuits National Survey, Conducted by Public Opinion Strategies, August 16-18, 2005)
* Quality and access to health care is being threatened in many states. The American Medical Association has identified 20 states as presently facing a medical liability crisis. ("Mass. Named State in Medical Liability Crisis," American Medical Association, June 14, 2004)
* Women in almost half of the states in the country are experiencing disruptions in obstetrical care. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists' has identified 23 states where medical liability problems threaten women's access to physicians delivering their babies, a figure that is up from 16 states two years ago. ("ACOG's Red Alert on OB-GYN Care Reaches 23 States," American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, August 26, 2004)
* The impact of lawsuits on the health care system has encroached on critical doctor-patient decisions, such as deciding on course of treatment. More than 90% of high-risk medical specialists said that liability pressures were important in their decision to stop providing certain services. (American Medical Association Survey, PR Newswire, April 3, 2003)
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Posted by: ayrescayo | July 26, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Q - Why do Republicans want to give tax cuts to insurance companies if they will deny claims?

A - Claim denial is one way to under tax the system. Too many people in the system now.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Q - What will the future of health care look like?

A - Interesting question. An example will be tests results being reviewed over the internet by doctors in Israel or Pakistan for diagnosis. The we will have robots doing surgery via internet right from your own home.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Surely everybody knew this was going to be the fight of a lifetime. There are people and corporations making billions on things the way they are. I read where UnitedHealthCare made over three quarters of a billion dollars last quarter, and that's just after I read the Post article which said that the same health insurance company also owns Lewin, the company that furnishes statistics cited by opponents who trash health care reform. Meanwhile, the same day, I read that five million more people became uninsured in the last nine months.

This is the classic big corporations and lobbyists vs. the little people. And the odds are still on the side of the big corporations. All they have to do is stop something, not create something.

We have just gone through eight years of a massive transfer of wealth to rich CEOs and corporations at the expense of those who were laid off and lost jobs, retirement and health care.

The major issue--Will health insurers continue to be able to cancel paid-up health insurance if you or your family gets a serious illness. You can also lose your job (so they no longer have to insure you during a major illness). We are all of us (except congress) in danger of losing our health care coverage because of rescission or skyrocketing premiums and costs.

To me, a public option health care plan is the only way to stop the abuses and the skyrocketing cost.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | July 26, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"Kubrickstan, If you want to live in Cuba then go ahead and move there! Republicans have a plan, why don't you research it? Oh yeah... then you would have to be a FREE person who can think for himself you, however, prefer the government tell you what to do. Yes, we need changes in the healthcare system but throwing out the Constitution won't help you in the pursuit of happiness. Posted by: worriedmom1 "

Ok! worriedmom1, since the Republicans have a plan that you have researched, give us a precise, in less than 5000 characters. I can give such a precise of the various Democratic plans, at 5k characters per. So can most of the other pro-Obama health care posters.

So tell us, what IS this plan that never seems to actually become public knowledge?

Posted by: ceflynline | July 26, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd like just one of you to show me where the Republicans don't want any kind of reform. Obama voted against reform of the healthcare system when he was a Junior Senator. Republicans don't want government takeover of our healthcare. They have ideas... good ideas to help everyone. Why can't you look at both sides? What are you afraid of? It's too numerous to list the crap the Democrats have inflicted on the country in the last six months. You people are zombies, good luck with President Eboli!!!

Posted by: worriedmom1 | July 26, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Q - What are the Republicans main contribution to health care reform?

A - Break the Democrats so they can get back in power. Then the Democrats will break the Republicans to get back into power. It is a good taxpayer supported system. In the end nothing gets done and the voting public is left wondering y.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama is selling us down the river and we know it.

This bill just codifies Obama's culture of death.

Posted by: starbucks1 | July 26, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Congress should attend one of the free clinics conducted by Remote Area Medical. There was one held in Wise, VA this weekend and there will be one in LA at The Forum on Aug 11-18.

This is where people who cannot afford insurance or who cannot get insurance go for their health care. For some, they may have insurance with huge deductibles and co-pays so it's like not having any.

From the story - http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/annual_free_clinic_set_up_at_wise_county_fairgrounds_sees_record-setting_da/29451/

Even as a national health care reform bill is prepared for debate in Congress, more than 1,400 volunteers descended on Wise on Friday, with hundreds more signed up for the weekend – but even they were not enough to help everyone seeking care.

“We’ve never had the traffic problem that we had this morning,” said Teresa Gardner, executive director of the Health Wagon, the local organization that coordinates the event. “It’s a record-setting day for sure.”

The work will continue today and Sunday.

Stan Brock, the founder of RAM, said 1,600 numbers were given out Friday to people seeking care – compared with 1,200 last year on the first day. He said the event here has grown every year.

“It’s been like this for years and years and years,” Brock said. “This is not a recent phenomenon, and it’s not peculiar to Southwest Virginia. … Two weeks from now we’ll be in Los Angeles, Calif. – same problem.”

Here's the RAM website - they can always use donations and volunteers. They're looking for volunteers now for LA.

http://www.ramusa.org/

This is the greatest health care in the world.

Posted by: FauxReal | July 26, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

OF COURSE PER CAPITA HEALTHCARE SPENDING IS HIGHER IN THE USA

since people from all over the world flock to the USA for treatment. Those BILLIONS of dollars in cash are added to what Americans spend here......

ObamaCare-Socialism, Abortion and Euthansia

Posted by: JaxMax | July 26, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

CONSIDER HEALTHCARE LIKE ANY OTHER INDUSTRY.......

Its number One in the World....

Not subject to competition by imports

None of the work is outsourced, all work here in USA

People all over the World come to the USA for treatment and pay CASH

Not only is the industry itself profitable and pays lots of taxes, EACH AND EVERY Physician and Health Care provider in the USA pays lots of taxes.......

So OF COURSE Obama needs the healthcare system DESTROYED.

ObamaCare–Socialism, Abortion, Euthanasia

Posted by: JaxMax | July 26, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"According to HHS the average Per Capita Personal Health Care Expenditure is $6,538.
If you use that amount to calculate the cost of a single payer system that covers all 47 Million of the uninsured you get $307 trillion. What kind of health care will there be when the country is bankrupt?Posted by: tunes59"

It is amazing that Republicans are so giving to making up factlets that they are willing to risk being caught by numerate readers.

There are some 300 million Americans. Should the Government decide to pay $7,000 per year for each and every American, it would only cost $2.1 trillion a year. (7,000 is 7 x 10EE3, 300 million is 300 x 10EE6, the product is 2,100 x 10EE9)

So if the Government paid EVERYTHING, by your figures it would take 150 years to cost $307 trillion.

Calculators are cheap, and free with windows.

Learn to use one.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 26, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Q - What is one of your favorite moments in this debate?

A - When Jin DeMint (Nut Job from SC) said Obama will be the Duke of Wellington at Waterloo and he (DeMint) will be Napoleon Bonaparte. ROFLMAO

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Ijknip,

Tort reform is in the plan the Republicans put out. If you people would view more than one source of news, one that is fair and balanced you might be better informed.

Posted by: worriedmom1 | July 26, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Forget the Republicans. This isn't about health reform and helping citizens get affordable health care so they aren't bankrupted if they become ill or injured. This is about breaking a President and returning to power. They do not care about citizens.

Posted by: FauxReal | July 26, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Q - have you ever talked to members of Congress?

A - Yep! Wish I hadn't. I asked them how ordinary Americans, who are not multi-billionaire lawyers like they are, negotiate problems with their health insurance companies if the Congress can't even solve their own problems.

They looked at me like I was from the Moon. Hello!!!

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Conrad is only partly right. A health Care Plan that had actual bipartisan support, and actual bipartisan construction would be a better bill, but ONLY if the Republicans were coming to the table with positive additions.

Right now they want only to stall long enough to find a way to kill the process outright, partly because they seem to have a deeply religious opposition to everyone in the country having real access to health care, and partly from the DeMint mindset, "We stop this bill and we win." Since these Republicans seem to believe that they will not have to face repercussions should they "win", they are twice wrong in their assumptions.

WHEN it becomes apparent that there is a bill that can pass solely on Democratic votes, and no bill of any kind will pass with any Republican support at all, Obama, Reid, and Pelosi will feel completely justified in passing that bill strictly on party lines, as a one party bill is still preferable to no bill at all.

Once we have national health care, killing it becomes no more possible that killing Social Security, but like Social Security it will be the express desire of the Republican Party to do just that.

ONCE there is a National Health Care System, every attempt to kill it will be nearly fatal to the politician leading the assassins. Republicans know this, of course, thus their last ditch effort to ditch the program.

To insure that a bill does pass, the House and Senate Whips need to set up a "scorecard" in a spreadsheet, with every seperate provision as a column and avery Congressperson as a row. The cells get a vector coding, with the scalar being a 1, a 0, a -1, or a -2 for the Senate, and a color as the imaginary part, Green for must have to vote for it, blue for will vote for the bill with this provision in it, yellow for will vote against the bill if this provision is in it, and red for assumed to be against this bill. Black would be that the vote, +1 for the bill, -1 against the bill, and -2 will vote against cloture, is a confirmed vote.

Set up the spread sheet, have the Whips get every Democrat to confirm their vote on each provision, and permit any Republican who is willing to confirm his stance on any given provision to do so.

After a week to get as much data as you can, put the scorecard up on the net. Sort it column by column, by number of greens, then number of blues and black +1's, then yellow -1"s, then black -1's

Now the first columns will show the most passable version of the bill, out to where there aren't enough votes to pass.

Since the bill and its headcount will be known to EVERYONE, the Republicans will be able to judge whether they can afford to sit in the peanut gallery and boo the villain.

A couple of weeks negotiations and the bill that gets called to the floor will be the best bill that could be cobbled together. If the bill is bipartisan, it is bipartisan. If it isn't, then it wasn't possible, and everybody will know it.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 26, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Q - Do Republicans ever downsize government?

A - Well we still have all the institutions around that were here when Dems were in power back in the 1980's. Plus the Republicans have added Homeland Security and gave us two free wars, plus the added benefit of illegal spying on Americans. I cannot be any more honest than that.

Truth be said, I never saw a Republican who worked for smaller government. Their philosophy is bankrupt and cannot be used to govern.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Q - Who hears voices in his thick skull?

A - Maddog

Posted by: FraudObama | July 26, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Q - Do insurance pools work?

A - You tell me dufuss. Presently all insured people are in one big pool! Has it helped? So if one thinks they can break up a bad pool into smaller bad pools and reap benefits they are a dufuss.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Kubrickstan,

If you want to live in Cuba then go ahead and move there! Republicans have a plan, why don't you research it? Oh yeah... then you would have to be a FREE person who can think for himself you, however, prefer the government tell you what to do. Yes, we need changes in the healthcare system but throwing out the Constitution won't help you in the pursuit of happiness.

Posted by: worriedmom1 | July 26, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

There is only one real solution to this issue; make for-profit health and diability insurance illegal. Noone should be able to make a profit exploiting the vigorish on your odds of falling ill by denying you services when you need to make a claim.

Posted by: sql_yoda | July 26, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Q - So under Obama health care reform is really a giveaway to the insurance and medical industry?

A - Yes! The only way to truly reform the mess of a system we have now is by instituting a single payer syatem.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Q - Thoughts on malpractice?

A - Ok. Replace some money awards with criminal penalties. There is nothing wrong with a life sentence to protect people.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Q - Is there such a thing as non-profit?

A - No. Except for tax code. There is no such thing as non-profit. The money in a so called non-profit that would go to profit ends up going into the pockets of executives and staff.

Non-profit is political talk. Makes it sound better, when the reality there is no difference between profit and non-profit.

In this case of reform any non-profit will be owned by a for profit institution so the executives will be able to double dip and more.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Without Tort Reform any proposed healthcare "reform" bill will be meaningless! The fear of being sued for malpractice drives doctors to order every advanced, and utterly expensive, medical procedure and test they feel will protect them from liabilty suits. I submit that this is one of the underlying factors in driving our health care costs beyond the pale! So: where, in any of the proposed bills, is there any reference to doing tort reform? It isn't there because of the trial lawyers, who get rich from bringing malpractice suits and who heavily bankroll our legislators. So rather doing tort reform our legislators propose to pay for reform on the backs of medicare recipients!

Posted by: ijknip | July 26, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Q - Can the government do anything correct?

A- Well they landed us on the moon when the Democrats were in charge and then gave us twin nightmares in Afghanistan and Iraq when Republicans were in charge. You decide.

The big problem with private health insurance today is that it may run out during the middle of major surgery to save your life. Then in recovery your doc will tell you they almost got all of the tumor out, but your insurance ran out, so he hands you a listing of appropriate Hospice care facilities.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

JaxMax, for your own check yourself into the nearest mental clinic...your dementia makes you a danger to yourself.

Posted by: kevin1231 | July 26, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Most of the current commentary in the media tends to obscure the situation rather than clarify it. It appears likely that more Republicans will wind up voting for the health care plan than voted for the Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The price of that support will be dropping the public insurance option and replacing it with some form of non profit managed insurance. A more generally acceptable way of paying for the bill than the House surcharge on over 1 million dollar wage earners is also likely. Those hurdles will need to be crossed to get the support needed from centrist Democrats. Those changes will also be enough to get the support of at least a few Republicans. Given that McConnell's opposition seems to be focused on the public option which is likely to go, he may be preparing the way to claim victory when a substantial portion of the Republicans end up supporting the bill.

Posted by: dnjake | July 26, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Maddog has a point...

If anyone had seen the opening of
Wall Street on Friday morning, it was a slap
in the face to the 46-47 million of us
without healthcare: NHC - ironicaly titled
National Healthcare Corp. went public, as
a celebration they were granted the ringing
of the opening bell.


So yes... all of congress and Obama literally sold us down the river - the Hudson River.

Posted by: theman_in_black | July 26, 2009 4:38 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Indeed. All those subsidies for the poor, uninsured etc will find their way into the private health insurance sector....even those insurance exchange subsidies. You can bet on it. Its like going to Las Vegas knowing you have the winning hands.

Single payer is the only way to go. Anything else is non-sense.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

anyone of the fools on the hill that subscribes to socialised health will be not reelected to their positions. the only way this will even be considered is ELIMINATE the use of our system for illegals,halt the invasion of a....... parasites in the world that come to our country because they cannot even have basic food,shelter,and forget health care. these countries send their cadres here for an education,to eventually acheive parity in business,financial,technology,weapons and the ultimate goal of doing away with us.

Posted by: pofinpa | July 26, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

It is true that the republicans are the main force blocking healthcare - they've been doing this, in the same dishonest way, since 1948. Why isn't this simple historical context provided by the media?

It's also true that corporations, in particular the insurance, drug, and medical equipment industries, are also controlling the writing of these bills so as to maximize their profits. Again, why isn't this being discussed by the media?

In short, the entire corporate media is also playing an enormous role in undermining real healthcare reform. This article is just another example of the misleading and selective information being put out by the Washington Post. They fuss continually about "who's winning", always spinning it in a conservative direction and refusing to discuss the actual issues.

They claim Obama has not been clear about what he wants (following the conservative line), but Obama has been consistently clear that he wants a "strong public option". But far from discussing its pros and cons, the media refuses to even talk about such an option. Similarly, the House has proposed an obvious way of paying the bill, namely by taxing the super-rich (top 1%). But again, the press refuses to talk about it. And I'm not even going to address what happened to the single-payer option, which was immediately buried by the media.

We no longer have a "free press" in this country. All of the news organizations are under corporate control and the profit motive. As a result, we are not having a healthcare debate. We are given selected bits of information, usually distorted in such a way as to undermine real reform and to keep money in the hands of the rich and the profiteers.

Posted by: dougd1 | July 26, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

O'Bomba-Nation;

The Audacity of a DOPE! :-/

Posted by: SAINT---The | July 26, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

*******The following might be a great site to forward to your family and friends.********


www.savequalityhealthcare.org/

Posted by: wheeljc | July 26, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Q - Maddogg, do politicians talk to their constituents during their recess?

A - No. That is a fallacy. Politicians will be playing golf and have numerous outtings with business lobbyists. Many will take taxpayer junkets over-the-rainbow to study something that doesn't need to be studied.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Maddog has a point...

If anyone had seen the opening of
Wall Street on Friday morning, it was a slap
in the face to the 46-47 million of us
without healthcare: NHC - ironicaly titled
National Healthcare Corp. went public, as
a celebration they were granted the ringing
of the opening bell.


So yes... all of congress and Obama literally sold us down the river - the Hudson River.

Posted by: theman_in_black | July 26, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The decadence and thievery in America began with one Ronald Reagan. From there on it has been a downhill ride to the point we are now at.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA CARE IS BUILT ON 2 PILLARS

1. Abortion

2. Euthanasia

Logically, a Nation that embraces Abortion should embrace Euthanasia.

While your Mother spared you from Abortion,

who will spare you from Euthanasia under ObamaCare and age based health rationing??

Or have you found a way not to get older??

Posted by: JaxMax | July 26, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party may have succeeded in killing any solution to America's health care crisis. They do not care about people.

Posted by: fishingriver | July 26, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

As it stands now the big winners in health care reform are the insurance companies. This plan is a guarantee profit basis for them. As such, it is a good idea to load up on health insurance company stocks and ride the train. Then sell before the US currency collapses and put the money into Euros.

Any true health care reform cannot be acheived unless we have single-payer.

Posted by: Maddogg | July 26, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"We want to move the process forward, even if both the House and the Senate had voted on these bills before the break, this would still go ... well into the fall because then you'd have to reconcile those two bills and there'd be continued debate," Axelrod said.

Oh, really!!!!

Well, then Mr. Axelrod - why did you place
that reporter in front-center of the
press conference?!

Why would you coreograph the press conference
in a most manipulative manner to feed the
savage press? You had to have known that
the media would dim in interest on
healthcare. Did you sincerely believe
that we wouldn't see that move as
a 'Jeff Gannon/Bush Admin.-esq' technique?


You Washington evil thieving pricks are
the ruin of all that our country might have
been. - Hope died with Walter Cronkite and
the news that could be trusted. Hope has
never been a part of the American fabric,
not as long as I have spent my 44 years on
this planet.


Audacidy to Hope... don't make me SICK!

Posted by: theman_in_black | July 26, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Knowing where republicans stand on any issue of interest to the public, it is utter idiocy even to contemplate a bi-partisan approach. This demonstrates powerful tentacles of corporations and corruption of the democratic party. Every effort should be made to defeat people like Max Baucus.

This country spends twice as much per capital n health care as compared to many other developed countries without showing much for it. It only takes an ounce of brain to realize that you cannot reform the system based on the private insurance model. The private insurance model is designed for profits not for health care delivery. Any reform must take the money out of the current system and re-configure it to provide a wider coverage and also to reduce costs. It is providing to be a difficult task for the corrupt U.S. congress accountable t no one except corporate lobbyists.

Posted by: kevin1231 | July 26, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to turn this issue over to a BIPARTISAN commission to fix the problem, with one of the goals being : AS LITTLE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION AS POSSIBLE! One of the things that this administration just does not get is the fact that there is LITTLE FAITH IN THE GOVERNMENT DOING ANYTHING RIGHT -- EXCEPT DEFENSE!

Everything the government touches costs an 'arm and a leg', and when it comes to health care, that is precisely what it might very well cost.

Obama has not leveled with the American people. It was clearly portrayed on July 22. As evidenced by his own poll numbers, his personal credibility is slipping – largely as a result of this issue – HEALTHCARE!

What is also a bit bothersome is Obama's recent statement, "Don't bet against me!" That statement is bothersome. Is he betting against the American people?

If he wants to reform health care -- GET IT OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE, and NANCY PELOSI's hands!

The plan has lost credibility. Bits and pieces have slipped out; the White House has failed to share details with the American people; and the government -- in total -- is forgetting that there is a little phrase that should be guiding us all: "LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!" They should not be playing with LIFE!!

PS: Nancy Pelosi's popularity is LOWER (34% - Gallup) than that of Palin's (40%) and even Cheney’s (37%)!!
What does that tell you????

Posted by: wheeljc | July 26, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that the republicans don't want a healthcare plan but it is time for them to join in or face the consequences in 2010. There is a realted post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588

Posted by: carlyt | July 26, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

This president and his gang of Chicago thugs have arrogantly taken the American people for a bunch of Kool-Aid slurping idiots. Do they really think they can cram this bloated piece of Marxist trash down our throats in 2 weeks? Especially after they did the same thing with the Porkulus Bill that was supposed to be such a dire emergency!! They had better start paying attention to the polls because well over half of the people DO NOT WANT GOVT. RUN HEALTH CARE!!! We want this administration to STOP SPENDING MONEY WE DON'T HAVE!! Concentrate on the ECONOMY AND JOBS!!!!!! This President is LYING about the number of uninsured. He knows it and WE KNOW IT! Stop scamming the people and get your butts to work on our nations problems instead of trying to takeover the entire economy and installing a Socialist government. We will not stand for it!!! We have fought and died for our freedoms for over 200 years. And we will again!

Posted by: priley8104 | July 26, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The "socialization" of healthcare is nothing more than a power grab by the administration who think they need to control every facet of our life. The arrogrance of "Progressives" who think they know better and have more "smarts" than we, are very dangerous people. Funding Medicaid at the proper level that it needs to help he very people Obama says he wants to help, is too simplistic a remedy for this control freak. In doing so, we would not have to spend trillions of dollars and employ thousands of new federal workers to inflate an already inflated civil service. Interesting, that the very party that wants this boondoggle of a program exempted themselves and all federal workers from having to participate. Must be that they know just how substandard the care will be. N. Y. Congressman Nadler, in an interview with Neil Cavuto was asked if he would use the new system. He said he doesn't use the federal one because his wife, who works for some agency in N.Y. has better coverage and he is under her plan. Nice sidestepping of a non-answer. So glad his wife is a union member employed by the state. We should all be so lucky.

Posted by: marine2211 | July 26, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh Geeezzz!

Pahleeeze People!

Get this simple little fact of REALITY into your Heads!:

INSURANCE;

Is NOT: HEALTHCARE!

Insurance, Insurance Agents, and all the little Lawyers and Lobbyists payed for by them(Not to mention a Representative or two on the Payolla);

ever even applied a Band-Aid to a Hurting Person!

Doctors, Nurses, EMS, and their Hospitals DO!

EVERYONE knows at least someone, who had INSURANCE, and still wound up Broke and Bankrupt!

The Solution is to do like the US did back when we all had to face the Draft!
Expand and HAPPILY Support our Military and VA Hospitals!

We have complacently allowed the system to squander because we no longer feel we might have to count on the system! When we all realized Ourselves, or our Children DID Realistically Face the prospect of Military Service;

Oh YEAH!;

We gave a Flip THEN!

That is the Tort-Free System that enables Training, Treatment, and First Response capabilities lacking now, that has led to the overburden on our Private Practice!

That, FEDERAL System, is where Un-Insured, and ESPECIALLY Criminally Invading Illegals need to be sent instead of the Private Practice they are DESTROYING with their un-paid for Burdens!

LOL! :-D

Good News! At the rate O'Bomba is allowing National Security to fail;

we'll be at war with another draft-SOON!

:-D (Even Harder!)

I'm too old to get Drafted! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | July 26, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

READING THE NEWS 101:

The print/internet news media is a highly
profitable business because they are
the mouthpiece of special interest.

For anyone that watched the Walter Koncrite
60 Minutes special, he states that
the news has become and continues to
be more and more harmful to the principals
of democracy.

Here is an example of how the detriment
translates. Pay closer attention to the
quotes that are provided by news outlets
such as the Washington Post and the
NY Times. Today's top two view stories
are on healthcare. The first example comes
from the article that is title;
'DEMOCRATS: We'll Move Forward on Healthcare'
the following is the first and most prominant
quote used in the article.


"Republicans want to protect the right of Americans to make their own health care decisions, to pick their own doctors and their own plans," said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C. "We could have a plan in a few weeks if the goal is not a government takeover. We've never seen the government operate a plan of any kind effectively and at the budgets we talked about."


It is important now to ask yourself 'why
would the news feature such a negative
perspective? There is power and much
influence in the spoken word of a
public figure...


Now, for the first quote of this article
which is from the supposed left perspective
which undeniably states that the President
doesn't know what he is doing.

"The truth is that we don't know today all of the steps that are necessary to move towards providing higher-quality, lower-cost care," White House budget chief Peter Orszag recently told the Council on Foreign Relations.


Are We the People going to continue to
tolerate such insulting attacks on simplest
most basic needs of our countrymen, or
are we going to read smarter and vote
these detracting and derailing politicians
out of office?


Stop sending money to Obama and support
alternative forms of politics. This isn't
the country that so many soldiers have died
for... this is nothing short of corporate
fascism.


None of us wants communism or a total socialist
state. We need balance and fairness for all!


Demand that we have healthcare where
47 million of us aren't suffering under
a system of 'Distract, Delay, Dejection, Deny'.


Vote out all those that have taken
summer vacation funds from the healthcareless industry, at the primaries

Posted by: theman_in_black | July 26, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

READING THE NEWS 101:

The print/internet news media is a highly
profitable business because they are
the mouthpiece of special interest.

For anyone that watched the Walter Koncrite
60 Minutes special, he states that
the news has become and continues to
be more and more harmful to the principals
of democracy.

Here is an example of how the detriment
translates. Pay closer attention to the
quotes that are provided by news outlets
such as the Washington Post and the
NY Times. Today's top two view stories
are on healthcare. The first example comes
from the article that is title;
'DEMOCRATS: We'll Move Forward on Healthcare'
the following is the first and most prominant
quote used in the article.


"Republicans want to protect the right of Americans to make their own health care decisions, to pick their own doctors and their own plans," said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C. "We could have a plan in a few weeks if the goal is not a government takeover. We've never seen the government operate a plan of any kind effectively and at the budgets we talked about."


It is important now to ask yourself 'why
would the news feature such a negative
perspective? There is power and much
influence in the spoken word of a
public figure...


Now, for the first quote of this article
which is from the supposed left perspective
which undeniably states that the President
doesn't know what he is doing.

"The truth is that we don't know today all of the steps that are necessary to move towards providing higher-quality, lower-cost care," White House budget chief Peter Orszag recently told the Council on Foreign Relations.


Are We the People going to continue to
tolerate such insulting attacks on simplest
most basic needs of our countrymen, or
are we going to read smarter and vote
these detracting and derailing politicians
out of office?


Stop sending money to Obama and support
alternative forms of politics. This isn't
the country that so many soldiers have died
for... this is nothing short of corporate
fascism.


None of us wants communism or a total socialist
state. We need balance and fairness for all!


Demand that we have healthcare where
47 million of us aren't suffering under
a system of 'Distract, Delay, Dejection, Deny'.


Vote out all those that have taken
summer vacation funds from the healthcareless industry, at the primaries

Posted by: theman_in_black | July 26, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"A continuing criticism of Obama made by Republicans and conservative Democrats alike throughout the reform process has been the President's lack of insistence on what exactly he wants from the end product and what he would and would not support. He had maintained a desire for open-mindedness in order to avoid committing to certain proposals that could hinder the debate"

I DO concur that if the President wishes to see a law passed by the end of the year, he must step in now and spell out exactly the critical elements he needs to see. Enough of this debate already. All debate has done is created a quagmire, and even more complexity. More debate only means ten times more noise than signal. ENOUGH!!

The key elements of any genuine health reform plan are obvious from the start, and predicated on what many Obama voters EXPECTED him to do when they pulled the lever, or hit the buttons last Nov. 5th:

1) A Public option! If this is not included it's a loser, and Obama will end up a one-termer like Carter. There cannot be just a 'national health co-op' like Baucus wants which has no abiding power to set rates, costs.

2) An elimination of all the Medicare Advantage plans, which are bleeding that government program to the tune of $12 billion extra each year over standard Medicare. This is also something Obama promised.

3) Re-importation of drugs from Canada, especially for thos drugs needed that have no generic counterparts.

4) Elimination of the Medicare Donut hole. Another no-brainer.

5) The ability-capacity to bargain for lowest drug prescription costs, like the VA does now. The $80 billion drug giveaway Pharma is offering now, is only a temporary pabulum, bone toss and no one in the admin ought to think otherwise.

6) Mandating insurance ONLY if and in the condition people can comfortably pay for it! If not, sizeable gov't subsidies MUST be provided and these can't be merely as 'tax credits'. For example, for a family of 5 that will need $12k a year, the government subsidy must directly offset at least 50% probably 75% or more if the earning total is $50k.

These are what I regard as key, critical elements without which any legislation will be merely a hollow law.

Of course, the Repubs -GOP will not want (1), so that means the proposed law cannot be "bipartisan". If Obama is hung up on the legislation being "bipartisan" then he is hanging his star to a loser.

Pass the d*mned law and do it with however many sensible, not paid for (by HMO lobbies) Senators agree- via Reconciliation.

Yeah, it will only last for ten years or so, but ten years now is better than zero years by next year!

Posted by: ColoradoLiberal | July 26, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

According to HHS the average Per Capita Personal Health Care Expenditure is $6,538.

If you use that amount to calculate the cost of a single payer system that covers all 47 Million of the uninsured you get $307 trillion.

What kind of health care will there be when the country is bankrupt?


Posted by: tunes59 | July 26, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Democrats, with 60 Senate votes, say it is the Republicans who are holding back ObamaCare.....

Senate democrats know how bad the bill is and want cover.......

ObamaCrats, having legislated a recession into a near depression now want to do the same for health care.

Posted by: georgedixon1 | July 26, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

God warned against insurance (surety).. That means there is a better solution. Insurance is costly in time and administration costs and does not add good health. Methods proven to bring and sustain good health include prayer, faith, herbs, sunshine, light exercise and healthy eating; these are inexpensive People will choose better foods and activities that make them healthier. Family, friends and their faith communities can pay for any other necessary costs a person cannot.

Posted by: MarieDevine | July 26, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"We want American's to decide on there health care providers, not the government."
NEWSFLASH...Americans don't have the option to pick a heath care provider because they cannot afford the premiums or coverage YOU IGNORANT DUMB REPUBLICANS!!!

Posted by: kubrickstan | July 26, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

If republicans manage to shoot down affordable health care for all Americans you can bet they will turn around, vote themselves a pay raise and an even better Gold Plated health care plan paid for by We the Tax Payers!

Posted by: knjincvc | July 26, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

WHY?
WHY, won't ANYONE in that Twice cursed Beltway get their Cabeza out of their Chulo long enough to say ANYTHING about the DESTRUCTION of our Medical System due to Illegals flooding our Emergency Rooms and Maternity Wards?
Or, the subsequent destruction of our Social services due to the Burdens imposed by WRONGLY Naturalized offspring of said interlopers?!

President Racist, and Congressional Clowns;

PLEASE remove your Craniums from your Rectums!
The Noxious Vapors have adversely affected your Judgment!

Posted by: SAINT---The | July 26, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

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