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Obama Decries 'Outrageous Myths' About Health-Care Reform

By Garance Franke-Ruta
President Obama used his weekly radio and Internet address to call for "honest debate" about his health-care reform proposals and decry "willful misrepresentations," "outright distortions" and "outrageous myths" circulating on the Internet, cable television and at town halls across the country.

Recorded Friday and released Saturday, in the video Obama seeks to assure members of the public in blunt terms that illegal immigrants will not be eligible for insurance under reform proposals and that the plans do not mandate coverage for abortions, contain "death panels," or portend a "government-takeover" of health care. He also sought to explain the role of a "public option" in the reform proposals and said his plans will expand access while providing consumers with new "security" and "stability" in their care.

The video message comes as the White House is seeking to reclaim the initiative in a health-care debate that polls show is being met with growing skepticism.

Posted at 5:32 PM ET on Aug 22, 2009  | Category:  Health Care
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Obama keeps getting a free pass on his "illegal aliens are not covered" lie.

Illegal aliens can be covered because democrats refuse to ask for "citizenship" when applying for health care.

Democrats recently defeated the Heller amendment in the House Bill that would have enforced a citizenship requirement for health care benefits.

Saying that illegal immigrants cannot benefit while at the same time blocking verification is akin to passing a law that sets the legal drinking age at 21 years and then preventing bars from checking a patron's identification.

The reason we have 12 - 20 million illegal aliens here is because they refused to enforce our immigration laws and now they are attempting to make it even worse.

Also, Obama keeps repeating over and over again the need to provide insurance to the 46 million uninsured even though he also admits that the 46 million number includes illegal aliens. One of the two is a lie, which is it Mr. President.

Just more Obama lies, trickery and deceit.

The Heller amendment:
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS145827+22-Jul-2009+PRN20090722

Posted by: hunter340 | August 25, 2009 11:41 AM

This is in response to Msdee1 post,

I am also in the Health care Profession. I don't see how orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, and neurologists ordering 3 times as many MRI's as their collegues who don't own scanners saves money. Contrary to what you said many of these groups own advanced imaging. They get the same ridiculously high reimbursement on the technical fee just like the nondoctors who own the equipment. Once they own the equipment they order more to pay for the expensive equipment and to make money. It's not to "lower costs to the public" as you say. Technical fee is set by medicare and if you are insured your insurance pays some percentage of medicare (for example 130%). Ask anyone who has gotten a MRI at their doctors office and seen their bill if they felt they saved money.

In my city the big cancer specialty group owns their own PET, MRI, and CT scanner. The hospitalist group owns their own sleep lab and CT scanner. Don't pretend it's just xrays in doctors offices anymore. CT is spreading pretty fast among the primary community now that they know it makes money. True only a larger group can afford it, but many of these groups exist. In fact vendors for the machines market directly to them. MRI vendors market to orthopods, neurologists, and neurosurgeons. PET vendors market to large cancer groups. Everyone buys because it will increase revenue.

Just today there was a guy who was having severe shoulder pain. You would think he would get 1 expensive shoulder MRI to address his main complaint. The orthopod who owns the scanner ordered an MRI on each shoulder and 2 additional MRI on each knee! Totally unnecessary. But he raked in the dough....

Stark law reform is needed or no costs will be controlled. In 5 years imaging costs will skyrocket even more if nothing is done.

Posted by: rmahan1 | August 25, 2009 2:04 AM

I am still pro-Obama but after 8 months in office, some of the changes I expected to see are still out of the White House. Our economy is in a terrible shape, yet, this new administration is still misusing billions of taxpayers dollars so the privileged federal workforce who are allowed to get an assigned brand new car every year; spending on relocations of employees at an average $100,000 per family; raising the federal salary from GS-1811-13 to 14 journeymen level plus AUO-LEAP (authomatic 25% salary annual increase; and more money allocated to varios programs under our "national security initiatives." I volunteered 24/7 since I retired at age 51 in late 2006 from my federal law enforcement position. I worked hard to see that Obama won the election. I am happy he did but I haven't been able to get a job; even tough there is a special provision for federal retirees. I wrote to some of the people I got to know in the campaign but now, the DNC is not interested in listening to a legitimate concern. I know I am not alone. There are thousands of hardworking pro-Obama volunteers that worked very hard to put President Obama in the White House. I don't care about those who worked very hard and got cabinet and subcabinet positions. However, I am not very happy seeing people who were 100% anti-Obama but because they were federal career employees, they are get to be promoted to higher positions, relocated several times. I kept getting junk mail from the barackobama.com asking me to do more volunteering. Guess they expect volunteers to work for free...sorry no more Mr. Obama administration's volunteer. If the administration needs my help, they can hire me and anyone who is in my same position.

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Posted by: jhenry2408 | August 24, 2009 5:44 AM

What's up this week in the healthcare legislature debate will be the recalculated deficit projection of 9 trillion dollars. I watched Joe Lieberman on CNN's "State of the Nation" call for a halt or slow down on pushing the legislature through Congress based upon the deficit numbers knowingly trying to obstruct progress.

With solid healthcare reform we will curb costs, create new jobs and serve the unserved. I see the reform as a win, win situation. Just by using common sense, we know more jobs will be created in the healthcare profession, suppliers of medical equipment will see an increase in sales, every facet of the industry will have to focus on efficiency and productivity.

I wish President Obama would address the nation on the economic stimulus that is inherent in the legislature. Maybe he thinks people already understand the long lasting fiscal benefits of a healthcare system overhaul.

Posted by: clarity2 | August 24, 2009 3:06 AM

Reward Stupid Racists, Punish the Hardworking!!! Vote Republican!!!

Posted by: nodebris | August 24, 2009 12:25 AM

Obama continues to show weak leadership on health care reform. He never considered a single payer system, as nearly every developed country has, vacillates on whether a public option is necessary in a bill and refuses to be specific in stating his opinions as to if certain important features need to be in a bill to be acceptable to him.

Obama has never explained, as far as I know, why he reversed his opposition as a candidate to an individual mandate. He promised transparency in the his administration, especially in shaping a health care bill, but has abandoned that promise too.

Illegal immigrants, at least many, will receive health care coverage and be eligible for government subsidies, for Obama to deny this is not credible. Right wing Republicans are opposed to any significant health care bill, their propaganda efforts are more ridiculous and distorted than Obama's milder propaganda on this important issue.

While there will be no government take-over of the health care system in this country, there will be, certainly in some ways for the better, probably in other ways for the worse, significantly greater federal regulation and control over health care. This should be clearly perceived by everyone. Obama and the Democrats have politically blundered by trying to reduce Medicare spending, which inevitably will lead to higher out of pocket expenses for those receiving Medicare benefits. They should have completely left Medicare alone.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | August 23, 2009 11:01 PM

Reward the Lazy, Punish the Hardworking!!! Vote Democrat!!!

Posted by: getclark | August 23, 2009 10:25 PM

rainjustice, you demostrate that that Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov was right when warned us that our enemies were working hard at brainwashing us (dumbing us down) and would succeed if we did not defend our principles: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1 Please share this video with others. It explains what’s going on.

The dumbed down are obviously unable to understand that Obamacare will further contribute to "the American descent into Marxism, " which "is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple…" http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

Fortunately, as we can see in the town halls, most Americans have NOT been dumbed down and they will do whatever necessary to defend themselves, their children and grandchildren from the abomination of Obamacare.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 10:15 PM

President Obama, here are a few items that aren't myths. The post office is going broke. Social Security is going broke. Medicare is going broke. We are falling behind in Afgansitan. Iraq has taken a turn for the worse. The Lockerbie bomber is free. Thousands of people at townhalls that you can't seem to hear are not mob members (but will vote). And thanks to your out of control spending, our country is going broke. My kids now inherit your $10 trillion deficit. President Obama, I suggest you try being a leader for all the people; not just left wing liberals. You are charting your place in history and if the first 9 months are any indication, it will not be flattering. Good luck in the next election to you and those in Congress who have forgotten who pays the bills.

Posted by: donchew1 | August 23, 2009 10:13 PM

You are right, ProfElwood. Obama has tripled our country's deficit and we are worrying about being Democrats or Republicans! The country is in grave danger and we all must do what we can to save it from our enemies, currently leading this administration.

We CAN'T spend more money. WE DON'T have it. Obama is STEALING money from our children and grandchidren.

How can anyone believe that paying TRILLIONS of dollars for additional bureaucracy is going to improve anything? Adding TRILLIONS to our deficit so Obama can pay his private armies of ACORN-type government workers -- to provide us with "end-of-life" (death) counseling and to decide who lives or dies – is NOT GOING TO SAVE US MONEY.

Obamacare will only increase our deficit, further steal from our children and grandchildren, further deteriorate health care, and further destroy our country.

To fix our health care problems, we need to go in the OPPOSITE direction in which Obama is taking us. A socialized health care system would be another step to destroy our country, our future and the future of our children and grandchildren!

LEARN about the horrendous problems of government-controlled medicine everywhere where it’s implemented, including Canada, Great Britain and even Taiwan -- http://www.thrf.org.tw/EN/Page_Show.asp?Page_ID=124

And Taiwan does not have a Chavez-like Obama! With a Chavez-like Obama, things would be much more corrupt and costly in the U.S.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 10:10 PM

Punish the poor, reward the rich - VOTE REPUBLICAN!

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | August 23, 2009 7:21 PM

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Yes, because Obama certainly hasn't given more to Wall Street than Bush ever did! No, never!

*ahem...sarcasm...ahem*

Posted by: blert | August 23, 2009 8:24 PM

Comrades: This tempest-in-a-teapot is easily resolved. Produce an executive summary (maybe an 'adendum to') for the massive bill, and list the alledged blasphemies being bandied about. Under each, summarize in CLEAR English (25 words or less mandatory) the truth of the matter, and list the relevant pages in the bill so that those so inclined can compare the short explanation to the massive obsurity on the appropriate pages. Of course, such a clear expose of the facts is, sadly, DOA.

Posted by: rep15 | August 23, 2009 8:17 PM

Obamacare: Death is included, a panel is optional. That's why it has to be a monopoly system.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | August 23, 2009 8:16 PM

wapo still posting bs. what is happening with social security? forget the millions of illegals. any news about those that paid into this scam that has funded everything from war to welfare? no money left in the piggy bank. stimulus bs and no increase in benefits for US CITIZENS.this guy is about as competent as a peanut farmer.

Posted by: pofinpa | August 23, 2009 8:08 PM

Thanks to the "bushies & cheneys," we now have state-run news, like in Russia and other totalitarian regimes.
It's called Fox "News."
And, they've gone all out to mislead and stir up the worst fears of American bigots.
God, Americans are so easily manipulated!

Posted by: rainjustice | August 23, 2009 8:02 PM

Hey you flaming bigots:
"Jim Crow called, he wants his 'nigras' back in their place!"
"Nazi" isn't the "n-word" these screechers REALLY want to call Obama.
Get real.
rainjustice.com

Posted by: rainjustice | August 23, 2009 7:50 PM

As we can see from comments like dougd1's, Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov was right when warned us that our enemies were working hard at brainwashing us (dumbing us down) and would succeed if we did not defend our principles: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1 Please share this video with others. It explains what’s going on.

The dumbed down are obviously unable to understand that Obamacare will further contribute to "the American descent into Marxism, " which "is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple…" http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

Fortunately, as we can see in the town halls, most Americans have NOT been dumbed down and they will do whatever necessary to defend themselves, their children and grandchildren from the abomination of Obamacare.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 7:50 PM

Wrong again, nallcando... "end of life counseling" is absolutely NOT mandatory!
It is only mandatory that, if you ask your DR. for such a session, it must be paid for.
Geez, people.

Posted by: rainjustice | August 23, 2009 7:44 PM

Punish the poor, reward the rich - VOTE REPUBLICAN!

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | August 23, 2009 7:21 PM

If Obama wants lies about his health care to stop then he should stop spreading them.

Much of what he says about the "death panels" (and he's right, they are not in the plan) is false. While "death panels" are not in the plan, a loosly defined group of bureaucrats ARE in the plan and will have input in relation to what goes on between you and your doctor in Mandatory End Of Life Counseling sessions. So when you go for your counseling session there would be pressure for you to act to releive the burden you pose on the system.

For the deatils get a copy of H.R. 3200 and read section 1233
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NO! NO! N0!!! There is nothing in the Bill that calls for mandatory counseling! Why are you spreading lies like this? What is it with you Repubcons? The more information one has, the better dicisions Americans will be able to make. That is the job of your doctor to give you advice on your options... The Government will not come between you and your doctor but Insurances Companies and Pharmaceutical Companies do and will...Government for the People by the People! NO! Corporations for Corporations by Corporations... Why is it Repubcon's trust our Government to protect us but will not trust our Government to negotiate lower prices for Insurance and Health care and Pharmaceuticals...You idiots insane...

If Obama wants lies about his health care to stop then he should stop spreading them.

Much of what he says about the "death panels" (and he's right, they are not in the plan) is false. While "death panels" are not in the plan, a loosly defined group of bureaucrats ARE in the plan and will have input in relation to what goes on between you and your doctor in Mandatory End Of Life Counseling sessions. So when you go for your counseling session there would be pressure for you to act to releive the burden you pose on the system.

For the deatils get a copy of H.R. 3200 and read section 1233

Posted by: nallcando | August 23, 2009 7:20 PM

Where in the world did you ever hear that there are 70 million Americans uninsured. Can you trust a President to tell us that we will insure 46 million new uninsured people and that it will not cost more money. Can you trust a President that says you can keep your medical plan if you like it and then turns around and say that all people on medicade and medicare (14 million) will automatically be put on the government option. He has a core ethical and moral obligation to be honest with the American people
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To answer your questions, YES!

I would place my hands in care of the Government, way before an Insurance Czar! What would you know about honesty and ethics? Your idiot Repubcons drop the term Socialized Medicine like it just popped in to your FOX News, regurgitated heads...We have had Socialized health care of some sort for decades! People like you are disingenuous to the health and welfare of the American people...You love the corporations that are ruining American peoples life...Medicate had a great Government run program that really benefited our elderly to offset the cost of there drugs...That was until Bush and his corrupt Republican bunch of thugs, decided to change it...What was there answer to the fix, but to give Pharmaceutical cartels and other health care corporations as well as Insurance Corporations the ability to set there own prices for our elders medications...There promise was that they would lower the cost more than the Government could ever think of doing! What was the out come, our senor Citizens are not paying more for their drugs than any other time in History...Face it! The Republicans are not for Americans, there redundant party of thief's are detrimental to the Health and welfare of Americans... It is time to stop shooting yourselves in the foot and start voting in programs, that benefit Americans. Stop using Tax payers monies for funding War's and instead use our payed in Taxes to better the life's of All Americans....The health of All Americans are at stake.

Posted by: nallcando | August 23, 2009 7:01 PM

The myths about health care, spread in the mythical town hall meeetings attended by paid ACORN and union members, are coming from the liar in the White House.
People ought to be very scared of the Kremlin like bureaucracy headed by an all poweerful commissar, who is largely exempt from judicial review.
That is scary enough to call for every elected official to vote against this mindless democrat blivet.

Posted by: LarryG62 | August 23, 2009 6:02 PM

AntonioSosa:

Please stop contaminating this discussion with your fox "news" single-person examples. You will of course not be interested, but for what it's worth, here is only one of the real studies showing better outcomes in Britain than the US for half the money.

Here is a 2006 study comparing reported disease in the US to the UK in very large samples of middle aged people (from the Journal of the American Medical Association):

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/295/17/2037.pdf

What it found is that compared to the UK, people in the US showed significantly more disease in all categories (diabetes, all heart disease, myocardial infarction, hypertension, lung disease, stroke, and cancer).

In both countries disease rates increased as one moved from higher socioeconomic status to lower status, but this increase was greater in the US.

In addition, disease rates were generally lower in the UK, such that people of high socioeconomic status in the US showed disease rates similar to those of low socioeconomic status in the UK.

The study also reported that these consistently inferior outcomes in the US occurred even though there's a much greater expenditure on medical care in the US ($5274 per person) than the UK ($2164) when adjusted for purchasing power.

So stop lying.

Posted by: dougd1 | August 23, 2009 5:55 PM

Hey, John1263... love the "republicons" Ha! Is that original to you? I've been calling "them" the Republic-In-The-Can Party. I like yours better.
Keep spreading the truth. That's the justice we need to rain down on these sold-out "public servants."
Their greed will compel them to go to ANY lengths to ensure their mega-wealthy controllers maintain their unfettered profit-taking, as well as their own money and power positions.
rainjustice.com

Posted by: rainjustice | August 23, 2009 5:35 PM

Obamacare does not have (1) Enough primary care doctors and (2)Will need grossly more taxes in the form of European style VAT which is a federal sales tax on everything.In Europe it is as much as 20 per cent.

Posted by: boardman31 | August 23, 2009 4:27 PM

When O'Bomba claims that no illegals will get Insurance(NOT "Treatment"), it is ONLY because he intends to reward the Job Stealing, Country and community destroying criminal Invaders with Citizenship!

See how easy that was?!!!

Sorry about that Job that was stolen, and your Kid's school that was dragged down with very expensive backwards additional burdens!

But hey! Those Food Stamps they spend help "Stimulate"!

Just a crying Shame you actually are paying for them!

Posted by: SAINT---The | August 23, 2009 4:26 PM

Point #1

Sadly, Americans have become so self-centered and selfish that they have forgotten that we are all members of the same race -- the human race -- and that we are our brothers'/sisters' keepers....

We have forgotten the story of the good Samaritan....

His teachings are pushed aside when it's too "inconvenient' or "costly" for us....

Point #2

Sadly, the truth has become a casualty of the health care debate....

With the American public being fed propaganda from the GOP (the lap dogs of the insurance industry), from pseudo-news media (i.e. "Faux" news) and pseudo-journalists (Beck and Limbaugh), and from ignorant extremists (one who uses her own child to lie about "death panels"), any attempt at honest, forthright discussion & to seriously debate the truth is lost....

So, lies have become the "truth"

People are showing up to town hall meetings screaming and ranting and raving and have no interest in public discourse or debate. They just want to disrupt any real intelligent, rational discussion and to prevent the truth from being heard.

It reminds this old historian of another time and place where right wingers showed up at meetings in brownshirts to disrupt discussions and prevent open, honest debate from occurring....

Posted by: abby0802 | August 23, 2009 3:59 PM

John1263, what planet do you live in? Obama’s behavior in Latin America has been beyond despicable! Obama is helping U.S. enemies and harming U.S. friends.

Regarding Honduras, for example, Obama sided with Castro, Chavez, Ortega and the rest of the Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America and working with Islamic Terrorists and drug terrorist to destroy the U.S.

Obama sided with those thugs and is punishing democratic Hondurans to force them to submit to another Marxist thug, Zelaya, who was busy helping Chavez in his flourishing drug enterprise against the U.S.

Please learn at least the basics before you comment:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204683204574354550413462742.html

http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/?author=76

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 3:24 PM

dougd1, please learn about the British health care system. Learn, for example, what European parliament member Daniel Hannan, who represents South East England at the European parliament, says about the British health care system.

Daniel Hannan says, “How amazing to me that a free people, you know, citizens of a country founded on the principle of independence, independence for the citizen as well as independence for the state, should be contemplating, in peacetime, burdening themselves with a system like this, which puts the power of life and death in a state bureaucracy.” http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539273,00.html

Listen to Hannan: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=204359

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 3:12 PM

Funny that the dittoheads keep bringin up Venezuela. They show their ignorance AGAIN. The turn of events in recent months is Latin America has been a DECLINE in the influence of Chavez and socialism, and most of that is directly the result of the renewed influence (positive for the first time since 2001) of the US and Obama

Posted by: John1263 | August 23, 2009 3:08 PM

dougd1, if you want to be honest, please INFORM yourself with REAL information, not with propaganda. Do you know, for example, that thousands of Canadians who face serious medical problems in Canada have to come to the U.S. to receive effective and timely care?

Do you know what the incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association Dr. Anne Doig says about health care in Canada? She says this country's health-care system is "sick" and "imploding."

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 3:07 PM

Where in the world did you ever hear that there are 70 million Americans uninsured. Can you trust a President to tell us that we will insure 46 million new uninsured people and that it will not cost more money. Can you trust a President that says you can keep your medical plan if you like it and then turns around and say that all people on medicade and medicare (14 million) will automatically be put on the government option. He has a core ethical and moral obligation to be honest with the American people

Posted by: rgray222 | August 23, 2009 3:03 PM

The republicons have to lie. How do you go to the nation and say " we are in favor of higher health care costs. We are in favor of people going bankrupt because they get sick, or their kid gets sick. We are in favor of allowing health insurers to steal from you. We are in favor of drug companies steakling from you. We think it is great to have the most expensive health care system on earth. We think it is great to pay the most and get among the worst health care outcomes of any nation on earth."
the ONLY way to defend that position, which is the republicon position, is to lie and change the subject to irrelevant nonsense. Adn that is exactly what they are doing. And the lousy crap filled media is aiding and abetting yet another republicon crime against America, just like when they were cheerleaders for the bush invasion of Iraq. Democrats are right on this issue. Dead right. Republicons are wrong. Dead wrong. You would never know it from the sheety reporting that has been allowed to pass as journalism on this critical matter. Shame on republicons and shame on the lazy reporters who think it is journalism to stoick a microphone in the face of some looney tea bagger, let them froth at the mouth, and then not bother to point out that every syllable was on the rush limbaugh show that morning and not a word of it is true.

Posted by: John1263 | August 23, 2009 3:03 PM

You are right, rgray222. People who found refuge from socialism/communism in the U.S. now see with horror that Obama is turning the U.S. into another failed socialist/communist country like Cuba or Venezuela.

Venezuelans at least had the excuse that they did not know what was coming. Americans can just look at what happened in Cuba, and what is happening in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, and Nicaragua, to understand that socialism/communism multiplies poverty, corruption and despair; that it destroys human beings materially and spiritually.

Where will our children and grandchildren find refuge if Obama succeeds in imposing Marxism in the U.S.? Obamacare and cap and trade are two important steps for Obama to enslave us like Chavez is enslaving Venezuelans.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 3:00 PM

Republicans:

How can you be so incredibly, incredibly dishonest?

Obama's "plan" is NOT socialism (or communism).

Countries such as Canada, England, France, etc. do NOT have failed healthcare. Their care is always rated much better than ours, and they do it for half the cost.

There are NOT any death panels (or euthanaisa) in any of the proposed bills.

The bills will NOT increase abortions.

The government programs are NOT covert

It is NOT ethical to continue to allow 70 million people go underinsured so that the insurance and pharmaceutical industries can continue to gouge Americans.

Why are you republicans so incredibly dishonest? Are you really so selfish, so greedy, and so foolish as your statements suggest? Or are you just puppets led by your handlers?

Posted by: dougd1 | August 23, 2009 2:42 PM

Imagine living in a country where the federal government owned the car companies, imagine if the government owned the banks, imagine if the government owned insurance companies. Imagine living in a country where federal government passed billion and trillion dollar bills without anyone in congress and the senate reading the bills. Imagine the government printing bills at 2am or 3am and then voting on those bills that same day, some of the bills being over 1000 pages. Imagine living in a country that tried to pass a sweeping healthcare bill within two weeks, before you or your government officials had any real discussion about the changes that will dramatically affect your life. Imagine having a leader that promised to get your country out of war and turned around an increased the war effort. Imagine our political leader promising transparency but only delivering confusion. Can you imagine living in a country that posted a web site to ask it citizens to tell them where they saw or heard “fishy” information? Can you imagine what it would be like to live in a socialist country.

Posted by: rgray222 | August 23, 2009 2:39 PM

The only health care Dr. Obama is interested in is that of Wall Street's insurance and pharmaceutical industries. This is a government scam to funnel a captive group of taxpayer "covered lives" to favored friends in the health-care corporations. He and Congress are practicing medicine. I hope they have enough in personal assets to cover the medical malpractice claims they deserve.

Posted by: kcottomd | August 23, 2009 2:25 PM

I want to know how we are going to keep illegal immigrants from purchasing insurance. Many conservative remind us that the US is a Christian nation. As a Christian Nation then, I want to know how we will justify denying medical care for illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants are going to be sick, and they are going to show up at hospitals and doctor's offices. Are we simply going to dump them in the gutter? How are we going to treat children of illegal immigrant families? Are we simply going to dump them in the gutter too? And how will we justify denying medical care to children born in the US to illegal immigrants? When the mother delivers the child in the US, that makes the child a US citizen.Will it be legal to deny medical services to that child and the mother? What kind of people will that make us?

There are thousands of children in this country who are illegal immigrants, and there are many who have only grown up in the US. What should we do with these children when they get sick? Dump them in the gutter and let them die?

What is the solution and will that solution be humane?

Posted by: fuzzylogic | August 23, 2009 2:12 PM

Obamacare does not include any REAL solutions that would help provide more and better services at lower costs.

There are countless FREE MARKET steps we could take that would REALLY help without multiplying our deficit and destroying our country, among them:

1. Implement tort reform to end frivolous lawsuits.

2. Allow cross-state buying of insurance without state-mandated coverage.

3. Leaving education, credentialing and scope-of-practice decisions entirely to the private sector and the courts. Thousands of foreign-trained doctors who are now U.S. citizens can’t work in the medical field because of skewed licensing regulations. http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17116

Most of the problems we face have been created by government regulations (and the corruption and GREED that those regulations foster). Increasing government regulations will only aggravate our problems while destroying our freedoms and our country.

To solve our healthcare problems, we need to go in the OPPOSITE direction in which Obama wants to take us. We need FREE MARKET solutions, more competition, and LESS government control.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 2:10 PM

I agree with most of what you write, MsDee1. However, the main reason there's such a negative spin right now mostly against insurance companies is that Obama and his accomplices need to demonize the opposition.

With marching orders from Obama and his accomplices, all ACORN-type operatives and brainwashed lemmings are busy demonizing doctors, the insurance companies, honest Americans defending themselves in town hall, and everybody who may be against Obamacare.

Fortunately, we know by now their doublespeak, their lies, their manipulation, their intimidation. With God's help, we'll do our best to defend our country and our future from the abomination of Obamacare.

We may have issues with our insurance companies, our hospitals and our doctors, but that does not mean we want SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM!

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 2:03 PM

-- The Power of the Hate Campaign --
The hateful lies of the No-publicans are easy to spot, but harder to comprehend, and seemingly impossible to reason with [that is for caring humans].

Posted by: com1rich | August 23, 2009 1:58 PM

I am in the Health care Profession.
Reading these posts and the thoughts of some in America really is disturbing. First off...There are a few physicians that have imaging equipment such as ortho-specialists.(ability to take xray's in office. Which BTW lowers the cost for the public.) I have no knowledge of the personal Primary physician normally affording such equipment as an MRI or CT. If they order one...it is greatly scrutinized by the Insurance Industry. Most need approval before hand. If it is not...the patient is the one insisting on such testing. Secondly,...One of the main reasons the cost of Health Care is so high is because of the high personal cost each physician pays for Mal-practice Ins. Why?? Due to the many outrageous settlements awarded in law suits,(many just out of personal greed) the cost of Mal-practice premium is unbelievably high. Some specialists ...such as Cardiologists, have started doing diagnostic testing in office recently. (Stress tests, echos etc.) Once again...this lowers the cost to the Insurance co. and therefore the patients.

The main reason there is so much negative debating is because so many (Citizen's) have tried to destroy the relationship and trust between patient/physician. Why??? Once again the Me first attitude and greed that has become the norm today in the behavior of American Citizen's. What should concern the public today is this.... There are very few American's even considering a career in the Medical field. (Physicians or Nurses) What good is Health Care Reform..... If we have No One educated and able to care for our Medical Needs???

Posted by: MsDee1 | August 23, 2009 1:43 PM

It's time to cut away the dead wood of Insurance Companies. They brought about their own demise, by failing to provide what they sell; a guaranteed right to quality, affordable health care - a freedom from worry during a time of health crises. If most of the obscene profits they realize were recycled as benefits to policy holders, the "guaranteed health care for profit" business might not have to fear a government trying to provide its citizens what private interests refuse to. Our government is there to protect us from terrorists, criminals, unhealthy and dangerous foods and products, and swindlers. Why not protect us from the disease and untimely death caused by the withholding of medical treatment?

Posted by: com1rich | August 23, 2009 1:39 PM

Yes, vivzig, we need to fix our health care problems and contain health care costs. That’s why we need to fight Obamacare.

How can anyone believe that paying TRILLIONS of dollars for additional bureaucracy is going to improve anything? Adding TRILLIONS to our deficit so Obama can pay his private armies of ACORN-type government workers -- to provide us with "end-of-life" (death) counseling and to decide who lives or dies – is NOT GOING TO SAVE US MONEY.

Obamacare will only increase our deficit, further steal from our children and grandchildren, further deteriorate health care, and further destroy our country.

To fix our health care problems, we need to go in the OPPOSITE direction in which Obama is taking us. A socialized health care system would be another step to destroy our country, our future and the future of our children and grandchildren! LEARN about the horrendous problems of government-controlled medicine everywhere where it’s implemented, including Canada, Great Britain and even Taiwan -- http://www.thrf.org.tw/EN/Page_Show.asp?Page_ID=124

And Taiwan does not have a Chavez-like Obama! With a Chavez-like Obama, things would be much more corrupt and costly in the U.S.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 1:10 PM

Obama and congress need to pay attention to more than just theur health care take over. The nation is at war, and Social Security is in decline. For example, Seniors will not get an increase in SS (COLA) for first time since 1975,
here's the story:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/278104

Posted by: lclifton | August 23, 2009 12:32 PM

Re: What the healthcare plan DOESN'T do:

All of which is unfortunate.

Posted by: vivzig | August 23, 2009 12:14 PM

Hatred befuddles the mind and leaves it bereft of rationality. Some contributors do not add any value to the discussion they only spew poison and affix labels. What a shame.
We need to fix the system to allow people with pre-existing conditions to obtain health insurance at a reasonable price. We need to make it unlawful for people with catastrophic illnesses to be dropped by Health Insurance Companies. We need to contain health care costs. We need to insure that those who are ill but are not covered by health insurance are given treatment. Is this so hard to accept? If there is agreement up to this point the mechanics can be worked out. If we put men on the moon we can successfully craft a
Bill to address these issues. The truth be known, this gets in the way of burgeoning profits for health insurance companies and their shareholders. We need to live and let live. We pride ourselves in being a great country with compassion for all people. We help third world countries to develop yet shy away from helping our own people to avoid suffering that they did not bring on themselves.

Posted by: fasm7700 | August 23, 2009 12:05 PM

i wonder how many of the below posters have actually read the provisions to which they so vehemently object.

Posted by: j762 | August 23, 2009 11:43 AM

We know OBAMA LIES. Of course, in communist doublespeak, he would call his death panels, "life panels," or his government-takeover of health care "public option," but that does not change the fact that, as per the House bill http://www.jeffhead.com/HC-HouseII.pdf (pages 425-430), we would be asked to receive end-of-life (death) counseling when we turn 65.

Lies do not change Obama's pro-abortion and pro-infanticide (late-term abortion) stand, nor the aberrant eugenic stands of Obama's Health Care Czar Ezekiel Emanuel and Science Czar John Holdren.

Obama’s Health Care Czar Ezekiel Emanuel, rightfully called “Doctor Death,” would make Dr. Kervorkian proud. Dr. Emanuel has said that “Medical care should not be given to those who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.” As per Dr. Emanuel, your mother suffering from Alzheimer’s or your child diagnosed with Down’s Syndrome SHOULD NOT receive medical care. http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/barack-obama-appoints-doctor-death-as-health-care-czar/

And Obama’s "Science Czar" John Holdren has called for population-control policies such as forced abortions, mass sterilizations, and mandatory population controls. http://www.prisonplanet.com/john-holdren-obamas-science-czar-forced-abortions-and-mass-sterilization-needed-to-save-the-planet.html

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 11:04 AM

One think we KNOW for sure -- OBAMA LIES. In typical socialist doublespeak, you can call Obama’s death panels "life panels" and Obama's death czars "life czars," but that does not change who they are and what they advocate.

Obama’s Health Care Czar Ezekiel Emanuel, for example, who has been rightfully called “Doctor Death,” would make Dr. Kervorkian proud. Dr. Emanuel has said that “Medical care should not be given to those who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.”

As per Dr. Emanuel, your mother suffering from Alzheimer’s or your child diagnosed with Down’s Syndrome SHOULD NOT receive medical care. http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/barack-obama-appoints-doctor-death-as-health-care-czar/

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 23, 2009 10:56 AM


Funny how much a town hall meeting now resembles a blog. A lot of people shouting nonesense instead of looking into it for themselves.

Well - I did and you can too.

Health Care Reform in 10 Minutes
http://www.mirawebdesign.com/temp/health.html

Better to argue about some real provisions in the bill then keep shooting at ghosts and night noises.

Posted by: miraweb | August 23, 2009 10:56 AM

If Obama wants lies about his health care to stop then he should stop spreading them.

Much of what he says about the "death panels" (and he's right, they are not in the plan) is false. While "death panels" are not in the plan, a loosly defined group of bureaucrats ARE in the plan and will have input in relation to what goes on between you and your doctor in Mandatory End Of Life Counseling sessions. So when you go for your counseling session there would be pressure for you to act to releive the burden you pose on the system.

For the deatils get a copy of H.R. 3200 and read section 1233

Posted by: jonweiss1 | August 23, 2009 10:55 AM

The biggest problem that the American Government has with heath care is the fact they are now trying to "Have Their Cake and Eat it too".
It will not work, you need to either have a Public Heath Care system or a Private one for all Americans peroid. Canada and many others have tryed to have both and all it has done is make their system fail.
For GREED takes over the system, then the system fails as the Canadians and all others that have tryed it have found out and continue to find out everyday.

The Public System must take over the whole system or you may as well quit right now. The other nations are all in trouble now due to their private systems that operate at the same time as the public system. It does not work, it will not work today or any day in the future.

If the American Government that we have today does not have the power to make this a public system then America will never have it for their is no way for a Washington Government to have any more power then they have today in Washington. The OBOMA government have both the Whitehouse and the Senite yet seem to only be willing to do what the private medical systems lobby want, WHY ?, They are the enemy of Pubic Medical System. That is like asking the Chinese to please supply America with their Military and navy to protect us.

Posted by: nicklan | August 23, 2009 10:10 AM

The death panels exist already. They consist of Republican senators who oppose universal health care and leave millions of Americans uninsured. People without proper health care contract diseases and die early.

Posted by: rsliazas | August 23, 2009 10:06 AM

I've learned how to tell when Obama is lying...you see his lips move.

Posted by: JCM-51 | August 23, 2009 9:28 AM

The WP should do a better job of monitoring the "willful misrepresentations" on these blog pages. There is enough noisecasting already in America.

The only comment that can be made on socialized medicine has been made by the President -if you don't want the public option, you can decline it. If it is truly competitive, it will guide the free market conditions and drive down costs. This is Adam Smith's supply-and-demand principle. If it is not, it will grow extinct. If it is not fully funded, it will not be competitive. This will also lead to its extinction. Please take note of this, Nancy Pelosi. These free market caveats prevent the public option from being a socialized solution.

I, too, would like to see the issue of HR 2962 -the profit of MRI, CT, and PET imaging- further debated in regards to this "reform bill". If a cost is not lowered in the doctor's office initial appointment, there will be no genuine reform. This is clear profit and taxes should be assessed accordingly and applied to the overall health care reform costs.

I would also like to see more financial incentive -tuition reimbursement, tax credits, et al- applied to those who enter the medical field under primary care instead of specialized medicine. It is human frailty that moral commitment to an occupation will be sidelined by financial gain. Until GP office teams make as much money as trauma and specialty teams, there will be no genuine reform.

Finally, end the drama over wedge issues like abortion and death panels. There is no place for ignorant rhetoric in the negotiation of the most important reform legislation of our lifetimes. If you are ill-qualified to engage in intellectual discourse, return to the shallow end of the pool and remain in your lane.

Posted by: joneshn | August 23, 2009 8:02 AM

Great, just what we need, another failed, bankrupt program like medicare. Who are these IDIOTS who keep talking like MEDICARE is a "good thing" that is working???? Just because the idiot GOP voted for it, that makes it a "good thing"? Obama's ridiculous socialized health care failure is more of the same, who gives a damn who VOTED for it? WE DONT WANT IT! The biggest LIAR is Obama himself, and the hapless leftists who support him, pointing to failed systems that the GOP happened to vote for as some sort of justification. Oh well, I guess it is better than the fake hoax lie "racism" crap they have also been trying to push to cover this failure of a president.

Posted by: devnull1 | August 23, 2009 7:29 AM

andycutler wins the Incredibly Uninformed By Any Standard Award for this statement: "Mr. Obama has already turned us into a socialist country."

Every Good Republican Tool (TM) knows that it was FDR that turned us into a socialist country.

People who aren't GOP puppets also recognize that the GOP voted a huge expansion of Medicare a few years back, which is pure socialism. To people who know even that little, this whole "socialism" nonsense is nothing more than a big "Call Me Stupid" sign that some people are inexplicably willing to parade around with.

Posted by: nodebris | August 23, 2009 1:55 AM

I live in a strongly Democratic region, but the people I've been hearing from are terrified of the debt this country is running up. No one, Republican, Democrat, or otherwise, wants to commit to more spending right now, period. There are several things that can be done to save both the federal budget, and the people money. Here's a few suggestions:

1. Allow Medicare part D to negotiate prices. I have yet to hear an argument against this.
2. Prioritize Medicaid (which is far larger than Medicare) spending, to eliminate care that has high costs with little return.
3. Allow hospitals to ask for proof of citizenship when treating non-emergency patients in the emergency room.
4. Clarify the ERISA law on medical preemption, to allow for normal lawsuits.

Start here, and if the Republicans fight, the Democrats won't be facing such a backlash from their own.

Posted by: ProfElwood | August 23, 2009 1:18 AM

Why is there no media coverage of HR 2962? One of the number one reasons health care costs have risen so much is the increased use of expensive imaging such as CT,MRI, and PET scans. Study after study has shown that many of the increases in expensive imaging is due to self referral by doctors. Internists are buying CT scanners in order to increase their salaries. Whether consciously or not they end up ordering more CT’s then they did when they didn’t have a CT scanner. If you have new toy, why not use it? Do you have mild abdominal pain which is probably gastritis or heart burn? If the internist didn’t own the scanner he or she would use conservative therapy for a few days and in most people it would pass. If the pain didn’t pass then they would think about expensive imaging/workup. Now since the internist owns the scanner, they may scan on day 1 and ends up scanning more people just to make some extra cash. Even if it is negative he or she makes his money. Also patients often feel better because they feel something is being done.
Orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, neurologists are buying their own MRI machines and ordering more and more MRI’s. Oncologists are buying PET scanners and ordering more and more PET scans. Studies have shown that when these doctors don’t own the scanners and thus don’t have the incentive to order these tests they order less studies. They actually only order the tests when they feel it is necessary. Not surprisingly when they have a financial interest in getting the test done, they order more of them and either consciously or subconsciously pad their pockets. If you have an expensive drill, you are going to use it. This is causing a big strain on the healthcare system. HR2962 is supposed to close the loophole in the Stark law for in office imaging such as CT,MRI, and PET. Please give some media coverage to this bill as passage of this bill would greatly reduce the unnecessary spending that goes on today.
As one example there is a group on neurologists in our town who previously made 200-250k (after overhead) which is slightly above average for that field. They recently bought 2 MRI scanners and are making 500-700k a year. They are doing chart reviews and ordering MRI’s every 6 months even if not needed just to keep the revenue stream alive. This is the kind of behavior that is bankrupting our system.

Posted by: rmahan1 | August 23, 2009 1:14 AM

"Not even interested enough, at this point, in what he has to say. Probably just more of the same.

Posted by: msc62 | August 22, 2009 10:01 PM"
---
Yeah, I bet you'd much rather listen to the lies.

IGNORAMUS

Posted by: JRM2 | August 23, 2009 1:03 AM

@andycutler-You don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about,it was either bail out the two struggling auto companies or watch them fold like a tent and hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of jobs vanish overnight. Socialism denies one the right to own property among other things, communism?, what are you some Fox Nutjob junkie?

It is people like you that is what is wrong with this country, ignorant, hateful and easily manipulated by the very same corporations that will get you to speak out against your own interests.

Obama is trying to help mend the economy and help the everyday middle-class person with health care overhaul.

Insurance companies are ripping us off, we pay twice as much as any other country and we are rated 37th in the world for health care right above Slovakia, hundreds of thousands of perfectly good americans every year lose everything they've worked for because they cannot pay their medical bills. People die because they are denied or cannot afford treatment. Is this what america stands for?

Posted by: JRM2 | August 23, 2009 1:02 AM

1) It continues to baffle me what the heck is so wrong with Socialism - I mean, it isn't like our Republic has a whole up on it. If I was a British citizen, I would be insulted.

2) I think calling healthcare "Socialism" is just a smoke screen for people who who are obviously too ignorant, cheap, and morally deficient to want to take care of their own without having to admit it.

3) You're ignorant in that it has been and IS an incredibly expensive thing in this country for us NOT to reform healthcare - and all you people who are worked up in a frenzy over healthcare reform are simply falling in line with a well-oiled insurance industry propaganda machine feeding you lies

- and you're eating it up like "all-you-can-eat" pancakes - it's maddening!

Posted by: faithinflight | August 23, 2009 12:49 AM

Socialism and communism are immoral.

Mr. Obama has already turned us into a socialist country (by owning 2 of 3 car companies) and is working on communism through his health care program's 'public option.'

Of course, being a politician he understands the poewr of the Big Lie theory, so in doing something shockingly immoral he immediately accuses his opponents of immorality.

Posted by: andycutler | August 23, 2009 12:28 AM

Turns out the Obama Administration is being "covered" by the "washington post News".

Posted by: psmitten | August 22, 2009 11:45 PM

With all due respect to a (sadly)dying industry: On the pages labled 'News', journalism would do well to report the 'news we should know', truthfully, again. This would include well researched facts from the Whitehouse issued statements, facts about the proposed legislation in congress and facts that debunk lies.

Reporting on which Senator decried which Governor and for what sin is only part of the news story. The facts complete the story and inform the debate and the public.
Attention paid to the street fights over what truth is - is clearly counterproductive to civil discourse. Just look at your comments.

If 95% of journalism is Opinion - how is WP different from Social Media where we can find 'free' ways to see the world thru our own lens of choice - drawing our own uninformed conclusions and filling in the blanks for ourselves?

Again. Please just look at your comments. Do you have a well informed following?

Don't be afraid - it's not mind control. It's journalism.

Pat Smitt
daughter of two former employees (1940-1971) of Ochs/Sulzburger @ Chattanooga Times

Posted by: psmitten | August 22, 2009 11:30 PM

RESPONSE TO: scrivener50 | August 22, 2009 10:11 PM

Another dumbass wingut would be a gross understatement about you.

Posted by: gregp1 | August 22, 2009 11:27 PM

RESPONSE TO: CayC | August 22, 2009 6:38 PM

That is the dumbest logic I have heard yet. Congratulations for your insane reasoning. You win the dumb wingnut of the day award!

Posted by: gregp1 | August 22, 2009 11:23 PM

Not an outrageous myth...

GOV'T HEALTH CARE REFORM RINGS HOLLOW...

WHEN COVERT GOV'T PROGRAMS DESTROY THE LIVES AND LIVELIHOODS OF THOUSANDS OF UNJUSTLY TARGETED AMERICANS AND THEIR FAMILIES.


***


URGENT: President Obama, WH staff, members of Congress, cabinet secretaries

THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS WEAPONIZED THE ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM.

MICROWAVE / LASER 'DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPON' SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED TO DEGRADE THE LIVES OF UNJUSTLY TARGETED AMERICANS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

A GOV'T-OVERSEEN GRASSROOTS VIGILANTE GESTAPO FRONTED BY COMMUNITY POLICING UNITS USES COVERTLY PLACED GPS DEVICES AND CELL PHONES TO STALK AND HARASS THOUSANDS OF UNJUSTLY TARGETED AMERICANS...

...IN EVERY COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY.

***

PRESIDENT OBAMA: WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE DEPLOYMENT OF DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS...

...AND WHEN WILL YOU BAN THEIR USE ON U.S. CITIZENS?

...AND BAN THE WARRANTLESS GPS / CELL PHONE TRACKING/SURVEILLANCE OF INDIVIDUALS...

...THE ELECTRONIC BACKBONE OF AN AMERICAN GESTAPO THAT IS OPERATING ON YOUR WATCH.

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA" ("stream" or "stories" list).

***

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 22, 2009 10:11 PM

Not even interested enough, at this point, in what he has to say. Probably just more of the same.

Posted by: msc62 | August 22, 2009 10:01 PM

If Obama wasn't playing politics, the Bill would say, specifically, No abortion payments, No government insurance or benefits of any kind for illegals, and No mandatory End of Life Evaluations. Stop playing politics and and making crazy acusations!!

Posted by: CayC | August 22, 2009 6:38 PM

It's awfully civil of him to think of such a nice euphemism for willful lies.

Posted by: nodebris | August 22, 2009 6:22 PM

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