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On Faith Call, Obama Seeks to Refute 'Ludicrous' Claims About Health Reform

By Anne E. Kornblut
Saying some people have been "bearing false witness" in the debate over health care, President Obama told a conference call of religious leaders on Wednesday evening that overhauling the current system is a moral imperative.

Obama once again sought to refute the idea that his proposal contained anything resembling a "death panel," calling the notion "ludicrous" and an "extraordinary lie." He said other accusations -- such as that the government would fund abortions or grant benefits to illegal aliens -- were "fabrications that have been put out there."

In a statement lasting about 10 minutes, the president described the health care proposals as part of his broader effort to create a more just society. The call was webcast by the group Faith in Public Life on its site, www.faithforhealth.org.

"It is absolutely critical that we make sure we're on the side of promoting the well-being of all Americans," Obama said. "I hope that you will all help us move this process forward in the months to come."

Earlier Wednesday, Obama also participated in a call with Jewish leaders, organized by the Religious Action Center for Reform Judaism, on the same subject -- another attempt to enlist religious faithful in the health care push. According to the White House, his message was: "One thing common to all Jews is Tikkun Olam -- the commitment to making the world around us a better place -- and today no issue is more central to that work than making our health care system work better for all Americans."

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Forty days for Health Reform!

Moses, Elias and Christ our Lord,
Fasted forty days to teach the prophet’s law.
The children of Israel in the wilderness,
Forty years the Lord supported.
Forty months preached Christ in the world.
Forty weeks was in the virginal womb.
Forty days was Jesus in the desert,
Alone with devil’s temptations.
Forty days in the tomb.
Than… Resurrection.
The New Life, the salvation!

Do not live by bread alone man, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.

Posted by: avesaabrasil | August 22, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

God's Children

God's Children have lost their way
Jesus has very much too say
Will they listen those restless souls
Or will they go their own way
Loneliness, trouble and despair
They will meet at their will
But Jesus' Will shall never fail
To come and heal them
And bring them home

Praise Jesus!!! Amen!!!

Posted by: boski66 | August 20, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

You Are Heterosexual

As the sun of the earth must rise
To give sustaining Warmth, Light and Life
The son of man must rise
For he has a purpose too
To rise up and bring forth Life
With all that God has given him
To honor and protect
To defend the blood of his offspring
To give and receive this love
It takes a heterosexual
The Blueprint of the Creator
You are heterosexual

Posted by: boski66 | August 20, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

God's Children

God's Children have lost their way
Jesus has very much too say
Will they listen, those restless souls
Or will they go their own way
Loneliness, trouble and despair
They will meet at their will
But Jesus' Will shall never fail
To come and heal them
And bring them home

Praise Jesus!!! Amen!!!

Posted by: boski66 | August 20, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Obama's call to religious leaders...this is just another ploy to get this health takeover passed. Now he's using the morality word...to put GUILT (false guilt) into the mix. What a farce since he has already said 'we are not a Christian nation.' He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. What a liar

Posted by: ccn1580 | August 20, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the socialists are "outraged" because people have had time to read the Health Care bill and have based all their criticisms on provisions actually in the bill, or reasonably inferred.

The socialist left hates letting the people know what the left is really doing, hence the frustration and feigned "outrage" at any kind of honest exposure of this bill's real purpose-more and more central government control of all citizens....ala the old Soviet Union.

Posted by: kfstewart | August 20, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

BOLD AND PROUD, WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS!!!!

Posted by: boski66 | August 20, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

In a sense our children have already died, they died through loss of innocence and honor. We are not a nation that honors and infant, nor the old and Not God, because the signs are everywhere, They want God out and death in. They'll get their wish!!!!

Posted by: boski66 | August 20, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This is a bold step forward for President Obama. Republicans stand in the way of improving health care for anyone. There never was a death panel. That is a republican scare tactic that gullible or lame-brained people buy hook line and sinker. That is all republicans ever do. Twist something perfectly normal that is done all the time all over the country. People are discussing with sick and dying individuals what their wishes are. Do you want extreme efforts to sustain you or do you want to pass away without extreme medical steps to revive you or keep you in a vegetative state. That is why people do a living will so that nothing like this happens to them. Putting out there the hot button issues like abortion is another republican strategy. This health care reform is not about abortion. It is not about death. It is about people having access to health care. Having insurance coverage with reasonable rates. Having no limit on reasonable coverage; no pre-existing exclusions; ending the bias against women over 50; working to keep the insurance companies honest; taking the profit versus care out of our health system. Get the truth and get the facts. Don't keep lying and using scare tactics to muddy what is a very good thing for America.

Posted by: equalon | August 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: boski66 | August 20, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

One way to say NO,No, No Way is to think about partial birth abortion, which Obama is for. Now I don't believe in murdering babies, Do You!!! This man is Full of It, Faith, what faith, Jesus would say there is enough room in world for an infant, Where is the Love???? Don't Kill babies, the rivers and the oceans can't take all the blood, and neither can I.

Posted by: boski66 | August 20, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

ludicrous and extraordinary lies?? is that why that section was pulled from the proposal all ready, and dr. emanuelle has said he really didn't believe what he believed when he wrote that wonderful missive on limiting treatments and informing old people on things like how to refuse hydration? personally, he sounded like a kid with the "my dog ate my homework" excuse.
dennisintn

Posted by: dennisintn | August 20, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

If these lawmakers, lawbreakers have so much concern for the people whom have no insurance, why don't they pool their money together and provide some services for them, That is what Jesus would say, To one's that much are given, much is expected! Don't keep robbing the people blind. We work and pay for our insurance, and we are entitled to it.
Government must not force us to receive less, because others are not ensured. Come up with clinics, payed for by the big pockets of the robbers, our politicians that want to take aways from us.

Posted by: boski66 | August 20, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

the pelosi plan totals l.3 trillion dollars in l0 years. that amounts to almost $5,000.00 per person a year for the 330 miilion people in the u.s. only the totally insane would vote for this kind of program.

if he's so worried about the 47 million uninsured people, just sign them up on medicare or medicaid.

that, and the savings from revising the tort system, which obama and the dems. refuse to do, would be a lot less expensive than pelosi and obama's dream version of healthcare revision.
dennisintn

Posted by: dennisintn | August 20, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

It is ridiculous to make a claim that universal health care could be enacted. As we see our political leader have no respect for life whether it is very young our very old. See http://www.massresistance.org. Also google Boston Children's Hospital Sex Change Clinic. Also google Amazon.com Your teaching my Child What!!! Our lawmakers didn't see fit to ask or let the voters vote on Gay Marriage, Obama and Bill Ayers by Enacting the Comprehensive Sex Education Bill didn't allow for parents to protect their children from the despicable and disgraceful indoctrination of Children into every sexual practice know to mankind!
Because they have so-called homosexual marriage all protections and respect for children is not permitted, These so called lawmakers, Lawbreakers pander to the drug industries and the Sex industry, leaving the people as victims of their crimes, using and abusing the power that was given by the People. Check out Dawn Stefanowicz Out from Under. Also planned parenthood goes in the educational institutions to supply youths with birth control, condoms, the morning After Pill and abortion. See news@pacificjustivce.wtvms.com. It is impossible to rear children with respect, honor and discipline when our educators and system is So very ill equipped to educate children in proper decent, respectful manners for children and their parents. What is happening is the American People are losing their rights on raising up healthy children, with a respect for life, truth and faith. The system is failing the people, they are seeking total control over our lives, while attacking us with their Hitler tactics of demeaning and brute force. They have been practicing these tactics in many forms, for a very long time now. Now the people must say, I am mad as Hell and I am not going to take it anymore. Stick to it, Let's get things done!!!!

Posted by: boski66 | August 20, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I think what we must remember is: people are afraid of change.

If you pay attention to the town halls you'll notice one question coming up again and again... "If your plan is so good, why don't YOU take it?"

The question exposes an obvious tactic for rapid passage:

The President should declare that he and his family will be "The First Customers" - and hold a series of forums (on the web, on c-span, on tv, etc.) in which, he and Michelle gather a panel of congressmen, senators, budget advisors, doctors, nurses and administrators and, as First Customers, ask the same types of questions that ANY family would ask of their insurance provider.

Do this 1 hour a day for 1 month, all the while revising, refining and upgrading the bill, UNTIL he can say, with confidence:

"This is good enough for me and my family, therefore it's good enough for the nation."

Fear gone, the bill will pass easily; 47 million people will be insured.

At the end of the process, there's an historic picture of Obama, smiling and holding up his little "Federal Insurance Card" with the number 000-00000-001. It's an FDR moment.

Posted by: johnlindauer | August 20, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I know the name-calling has become rampant on the subject, but it doesn't advance the discussion. I don't tote a gun. I'm not a Republic or Democrat. I'm not being paid. I'm trying to get past the hype and on to the serious parts.

Posted by: ProfElwood | August 19, 2009 8:57 PM

And you don't lie either?

Posted by: seemstome | August 20, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Talk about "bearing false witness". Wow. This is the pot calling the kettle black, if I have ever seen it. This guy knows he would never have been elected if it weren't for people being misled.

Posted by: logical1453 | August 19, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

One way the President could stop all these health care plan rumors would be to the come up with a specific health care plan of his own or get behind a specific plan. He wants to have it both ways. He is vaque about what he wants in a health care plan but denounces critics who oppose specific provisions in the various health care plan.

Step up to the plate Mr. President. You can't just vote present on this.

Posted by: danielhancock | August 19, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

And if/when Medicare goes bust, which insurance companies will underwrite those over 65 and at what cost?

Medicare/Medicaid/CHIPS/VA/etc have kept millions able to receive healthcare that they otherwise would not have been able to receive. And they are covering many end of life health issues that the insurance companies try to steer clear of.

Pre-existing conditions, denial of coverage and benefits, rationed healthcare, review panels, loss of choice of personal physician, out of network, excessive administrative costs and executive pay, lack of adherence to standards, etc - all hallmarks of the current US healthcare system. The US is #1 in cost by over 2x the nearest, we are ranked 37th in the world in care provided, and are near that rank in life expectancy.

The private insurers ask how can they compete with government run healthcare. The insurance companies have benefited greatly from what the US currently provides them in multiple forms.

The facts are that the health risk pool has been unevenly divided and our health has been commercialized. Most of us are a serious injury away from losing all we have worked our whole lives for. Some of us don't want to admit it.

Posted by: Got_Health | August 19, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

It's important to distinguish between people of faith and organizations that have had their spiritual message co-opted by a political group. It should be quite obvious by now - the ones going around screaming their message of hate, fear, greed, and intolerance are so far separated from the teachings of Jesus that it is a mockery that they would even call themselves Christians. I think Obama is attempting to reach the quiet majority who can occasionally find their voice when it comes to issues of human suffering and injustice. Pray that these people find that voice and use it to help advance the cause of moving this country in a direction of putting human need above corporate profit.

Posted by: RealPatriot | August 19, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Of course the proposed healthcare reform will pay for abortions. In order for the Obama healthcare reform NOT to pay for abortion, it must specificaly state that it does not cover abortion. The bill does not mention abortion. Therefore, citing well-settled case law, the courts will mandate that any healthcare reform plan pay for abortions. When the GOP tried to get an amendment denying coverage for abortion, the Dems voted it down in a straight-party vote. President Obama knows his reform will cover abortion. He just does not want the majority of voters to know it.

Posted by: libertasdon | August 19, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Why is Obama again pandering to the religious lobby? Bush tried to bring on a Theocracy in this country. Religious groups are social clubs for people with specific and limited common interests. I am tired of them having a special voice in decision making. Why not also meet with the garden clubs, horse, ski, tennis and stamp collecting clubs? Why in the 21st century in America can’t we finally have “freedom from religion”? I am sick of this.

Posted by: bonkin | August 19, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Why is Obama again pandering to the religious lobby? Bush tried to bring on a Theocracy in this country. Religious groups are social clubs for people with specific and limited common interests. I am tired of them having a special voice in decision making. Why not also meet with the garden clubs, horse, ski, tennis and stamp collecting clubs? Why in the 21st century in America can’t we finally have “freedom from religion”? I am sick of this.

Posted by: bonkin | August 19, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

briteandunnygrl,
There's a misconception that everyone is looking out only for their own interest.

Current retirees are getting Medicare benefits that they were forced to pay for when they were younger. I believe that they're fully aware that the money that they are getting is coming from younger generations, just as the money that they paid went to older generations.
If everyone was being totally selfish, the young should be fighting Medicare and the old should be fight to expand it.

Despite the ranting that there are large groups who are uninformed, ignorant, listening to the lies, stupid, or deceptive, it's obvious to me that we're fighting more for our beliefs. If all sides could give a little respect for those who disagree with them, it could benefit everyone.

I also believe that a lot of people would agree with congress getting in on the program. The most agreeable town hall that I saw, started with a representative announcing that he had refused those benefits.

Posted by: ProfElwood | August 19, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing photos of senior citizens holding up signs in opposition to a public health care option. Are these folks completely senile? They're all on Medicare and/or Medicaid. If these programs aren't publicly funded health care then I don't know is. Every two weeks, the federal government deducts a big chunk of my salary to pay for the social security and health benefits of these crackpots. What's more, by the time I reach retirement, these same options won't be there for me. I'll quit fighting for a public option when everyone is on the same playing field and that includes Congress. NO PUBLIC HEALTH BENEFITS for seniors and NO BENEFITS for Congress. Let's see how that sits with the idiot rabble and our lousy, lousy, lousy elected officials.

Posted by: briteandunnygrl | August 19, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"...Just like your fear-mongering over medicare and medicaid and exploding costs. If you haven't noticed, healthcare costs are already exploding, hence the need for reform.
Posted by: JosephFreeman"

My source for my "fear-mongering" is ssa.gov. Yes, we're all aware of the exploding costs. My point was that you don't control exploding costs by promising more spending, which is what most of Obama's 10 points do.

I know the name-calling has become rampant on the subject, but it doesn't advance the discussion. I don't tote a gun. I'm not a Republic or Democrat. I'm not being paid. I'm trying to get past the hype and on to the serious parts.

Posted by: ProfElwood | August 19, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama has said on several occasions, including at his town hall in New Hampshire, that Medicare will be in the red in a decade.

Posted by: asja | August 19, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

azpaull,
Thank you for responding. But, actually my concern is just the opposite. According to the Social Security Administration, Medicare and Medicaid will not be fully funded in just a few years. Which means that either spending will have to be increased, or benefits cut. The Democrats, to their credit, have started a review panel to determine the effectiveness of different treatment options. My concern is that normal politics may kill a long overdue discussion.

Posted by: ProfElwood | August 19, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

In order to have a "straw man," ProfElwood, Obama would have to create a fiction that has never existed. But as a matter of irrefutable fact, the republicans have said there would be death panels ad nauseum over the past 3 weeks. So it's not a straw man. It is an actual falsehood being repeated endlessly by the Republicans and gun-toting townhall "enthusiasts" doing the work of big insurance companies.

As for the rest of your post, Obama also never talks about invisible stormtroopers or the use of alien medical technology. It's not a conspiracy; they simply don't exist. Just like your fear-mongering over medicare and medicaid and exploding costs. If you haven't noticed, healthcare costs are already exploding, hence the need for reform.

Posted by: JosephFreeman | August 19, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Having seen 74 years in the glorious USA I deeply resent, oppose, and have deceided to take a stand against all this hate filled and lies being spewed out by the Republican party and the other ill informed and hate filled people that have organized against the public option. Hey, SENIORS, wake up. If you are over 65 you have had a government run insurance coverage since reaching the age of 65. I have had Medicare and a secondary insurance since reaching age 65. I HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY SATISFIED AND HAVE NEVER BEEN DENIED COVERAGE. However, in my forties I was denied coverage of needed surgery by a private health insurance that I had been a member of for over ten year. They claimed pre-exhisting condition! If you are a christian you should be ashamed of this hate filled rantings and raving..calling people names etc. However, I will quote you my dear dad's favorite "It takes one to know one". If you follow his thinking YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING THOSE SUPPORTING THE PUBLIC OPTION AND OUR MOST WONDERFUL AND GLORIOUS PRESIDENT OBAMA TO BE!!!

Posted by: abefran | August 19, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Actually, ProfElwood, he DID mention that in his 7-minute talk! www.faithforhealth.org (30 minutes into the 40-minute call)

Here's what he said - I transcribed this JUST FOR YOU (altho I think others may be interested, too): "People are concerned about spending right now, and deficits and debt. By far, the single biggest driver of our deficit and our debt is federal government spending on Medicare and Medicaid. and, Medicare is about to go into the red in eight years. Many of you have older members of your congregations, they're now scared to death that we're talking about cutting Medicare benefits. THAT IS - AGAIN - SIMPLY NOT TRUE. What we have said is we should stop subsidizing insurance companies who participate in Medicare Advantage and skim 17-20 billion dollars in profits that could be used to expand care and give seniors better discounts on prescription drugs."

And, here's a bonus quote from the President in the call: "...I don't want government bureaucrats meddling in your health care, but I also don't want insurance company bureacrats meddling in your health care. That's what health insurance reform is all about."

Posted by: azpaull | August 19, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse


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***

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Posted by: scrivener50 | August 19, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"the idea that his proposal contained anything resembling a "death panel," calling the notion "ludicrous" and an "extraordinary lie.""
I notice he never talks about Medicare and Medicaid going down in few years, or how eliminating private insurance spending limits would drive up costs. The "death panel" thing is a straw man -- we're not fooled.

Posted by: ProfElwood | August 19, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

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