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Obama Cites Support for Health Reform From Republicans

By Anne E. Kornblut
After dealing Friday with the surprise distraction of being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, President Obama returned Saturday to the health care debate, with what administration officials hope is new momentum now that health-care reform has been endorsed by several Republicans outside Congress.

"The historic movement to bring real, meaningful health-insurance reform to the American people gathered momentum this week as we approach the final days of this debate," Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address. "The approach that is emerging includes the best ideas from Republicans and Democrats, and people across the political spectrum."

Obama praised a bill currently before a Senate committee not only for its bipartisan appeal but also its price tag, which the Congressional Budget Office said would keep within the fiscal boundaries Obama had set.

But with the measure heading to a vote Tuesday in the Senate Finance Committee --- and with administration officials increasingly convinced the tide is turning, Obama took time to dwell on the Republicans who have spoken out.

"What's remarkable is not that we've had a spirited debate about health insurance reform, but the unprecedented consensus that has come together behind it. This consensus encompasses everyone from doctors and nurses to hospitals and drug manufacturers," he said. "And earlier this week, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger of California and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg came out in support of reform, joining two former Republican Senate majority leaders: Bob Dole and Dr. Bill Frist, himself a cardiac surgeon.

"Dr. Louis Sullivan, secretary of Health and Human Services under President George H.W. Bush, supports reform. As does Republican Tommy Thompson, a former Wisconsin governor and secretary of Health and Human Services under President George W. Bush. These distinguished leaders understand that health insurance reform isn't a Democratic issue or a Republican issue, but an American issue that demands a solution."

"Still, there are some in Washington today who seem determined to play the same old partisan politics, working to score political points, even if it means burdening this country with an unsustainable status quo. A status quo of rising health care costs that are crushing our families, our businesses, and our government. A status quo of diminishing coverage that is denying millions of hardworking Americans the insurance they need. A status quo that gives big insurance companies the power to make arbitrary decisions about your health care. That is a status quo I reject. And that is a status quo the American people reject.

"The distinguished former congressional leaders who urged us to act on health insurance reform spoke of the historic moment at hand and reminded us that this moment will not soon come again.  They called on members of both parties to seize this opportunity, to finally confront a problem that has plagued us for far too long.

"That is what we are called to do at this moment. That is the spirit of national purpose that we must summon right now. Now is the time to rise above the politics of the moment. Now is the time to come together as Americans. Now is the time to meet our responsibilities to ourselves and to our children, and secure a better, healthier future for generations to come. That future is within our grasp. So, let's go finish the job."

Posted at 6:00 AM ET on Oct 10, 2009  | Category:  Health Care
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CBO issues of health bill costs are a distraction from the key issues of concern in the proposals of Mr. Obama, Mr. Baucus and Ms. Pelosi.

The current proposal in Congress does not address any of the most meaningful issues in health care:

1) The need for single-payer insurance

Multi-payer systems inflate health care costs and give 8-12% of total health system costs to private insurers in system waste

2) True universality of coverage in a plan that doesn't create a second-class citizenry of the insured

Congressional plans still leave 10-15% of our country insured and create a second-class system of the poor insured that will place them below Medicaid recipients with respect to stigma and prioritization of care

3) The crisis of doctor shortages and primary care deficits in American medical care

Doctors are retiring at record rates and they are only being replaced at 75-85% rate because of a monopoly and market-control of the MD control by the AMA. Also, we have a 2/3 primary care / specialist ratio and 40% less per-capita doctors than the best European and Scandinavian countries. We have plenty of dermatologists and radiologists but not enough doctors to complete basic screenings and offer fundamental preventative care

4) Tax shortages for the Federal government and a lack of funding for the Medicare (and Social Security) trust funds

With a $13 trillion deficit and annual budget deficits of greater than $500B, our country and our entitlement programs are heading for bankruptcy without a 7% across the board tax cut. The idea of providing greater benefits without tax hikes is a myth impossible through policy

5) Tort reform and the end of defensive medicine

The featured research section of my website discusses the true costs of defensive medicine, which are high and staggering. Most studies that indicate these costs are 0.5% of total system costs are flawed econometric studies that poorly measure true indirect effects on health care costs within our American system


My website addresses these issues, and many more, as they related to health policy, comparative health systems and public health. I encourage you to all check the site out and appreciate your visits. Every visit also raises money that goes 100% to charity to fight disease.

The url is:

www.satvathealthcare.com

Thanks,

Amir Satvat

Amir Satvat
www.satvathealthcare.com
MBA in Health Care Management, The Wharton School
MPA in Health Policy and Management, New York University
Former Health Care Investment Banker, Goldman Sachs

Posted by: bsatvat | October 11, 2009 1:37 PM

CBO issues of health bill costs are a distraction from the key issues of concern in the proposals of Mr. Obama, Mr. Baucus and Ms. Pelosi.

The current proposal in Congress does not address any of the most meaningful issues in health care:

1) The need for single-payer insurance

Multi-payer systems inflate health care costs and give 8-12% of total health system costs to private insurers in system waste

2) True universality of coverage in a plan that doesn't create a second-class citizenry of the insured

Congressional plans still leave 10-15% of our country insured and create a second-class system of the poor insured that will place them below Medicaid recipients with respect to stigma and prioritization of care

3) The crisis of doctor shortages and primary care deficits in American medical care

Doctors are retiring at record rates and they are only being replaced at 75-85% rate because of a monopoly and market-control of the MD control by the AMA. Also, we have a 2/3 primary care / specialist ratio and 40% less per-capita doctors than the best European and Scandinavian countries. We have plenty of dermatologists and radiologists but not enough doctors to complete basic screenings and offer fundamental preventative care

4) Tax shortages for the Federal government and a lack of funding for the Medicare (and Social Security) trust funds

With a $13 trillion deficit and annual budget deficits of greater than $500B, our country and our entitlement programs are heading for bankruptcy without a 7% across the board tax cut. The idea of providing greater benefits without tax hikes is a myth impossible through policy

5) Tort reform and the end of defensive medicine

The featured research section of my website discusses the true costs of defensive medicine, which are high and staggering. Most studies that indicate these costs are 0.5% of total system costs are flawed econometric studies that poorly measure true indirect effects on health care costs within our American system


My website addresses these issues, and many more, as they related to health policy, comparative health systems and public health. I encourage you to all check the site out and appreciate your visits. Every visit also raises money that goes 100% to charity to fight disease.

The url is:

www.satvathealthcare.com

Thanks,

Amir Satvat

Amir Satvat
www.satvathealthcare.com
MBA in Health Care Management, The Wharton School
MPA in Health Policy and Management, New York University
Former Health Care Investment Banker, Goldman Sachs

Posted by: bsatvat | October 11, 2009 1:36 PM

When they no to your claim, the door is slammed shut - case closed - end of discussion.

Posted by: asmith1 | October 10, 2009 9:56 PM

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Just out of curiosity, why do you think that private care goes away when the government offers health insurance? What you're describing here with your 'door slammed shut' scenario is demand -- somebody will bring supply as long as the demand exists. That is, unless you think the government will prevent doctors from seeing patients that aren't using government insurance.

In which case, you're a crackpot.

Posted by: ponkey | October 11, 2009 12:04 AM


WHAT GOOD IS HEALTH CARE REFORM... WHEN A COVERT 'MULTI-AGENCY COORDINATED ACTION PROGRAM' COMPROMISES THE HEALTH OF MANY THOUSANDS OF UNJUSTLY 'TARGETED' AMERICANS?

• Obama agenda, rule of law subverted by fed-funded, extrajudicial, warrantless GPS-activated vigilante Gestapo, protected by local law enforcement, with operatives within health care facilities -- compromising the quality of patient care.

* Microwave/laser radiation "directed energy weapons" deployed by secretive executive branch "multi-agency coordinated action progam" to silently torture and degrade the health of unjustly targeted American citizens -- the weaponization of the electromagnetic spectrum.

• "Intelligence-based policing" a pretext for a security/military/intel social purge executed at the grassroots with the cooperation of local law enforcement.

PRESIDENT OBAMA:

BAN BY EXECUTIVE ORDER the use of directed energy weapons on American citizens...

...and BAN the warrantless, covert tracking of individuals via GPS devices or cell phones -- the electronic backbone of a nationwide American Gestapo.

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 10, 2009 10:56 PM

Fact: I have spent more time and money dealing with private insurance companies than I ever had to do with the IRS, the DOE, and the State Department combined. Go get a passport: it's cheap, easy, fast, and you can go to almost anywhere in the world with US support for 90 days. Private health insurance here is much more complicated. Who is naive?.

Posted by: mpmurphy1 | October 10, 2009 9:06 PM
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At least when the government controls your health care, you won't have to spend all that time and money dealing with them.

When they no to your claim, the door is slammed shut - case closed - end of discussion.

UNLESS .... you're a member of the Congress - the only group with Cadillac insurance that will NOT be taxed and EVERYHING is covered.

Posted by: asmith1 | October 10, 2009 9:56 PM

President Barack Obama, now a Nobel laureate, sounds wonderful, keep on keeping on Mr.President, the nation is proud of you.

Posted by: ruraledcomm | October 10, 2009 9:38 PM

I guess the grown ups in the party of NO have decided that having a hissy fit on just about everything is not impressing the American public..Still, let them keep throwing a hissy fit every day, that is a sure way to keep them out of office..the party of NO, no ideas, no plans, nothing, zilch, zero, nada...

Posted by: ruraledcomm | October 10, 2009 9:35 PM

To muawiyah,

Go ahead, send me to a Federal criminal court where, by law, in the very least, I am guaranteed legal representation even if it's mediocre at best. In a civil court, I need to fight against a team of corporate lawyers on my own dime, after they cheat me, obviously lose, and then pay for it again. Fact: I have spent more time and money dealing with private insurance companies than I ever had to do with the IRS, the DOE, and the State Department combined. Go get a passport: it's cheap, easy, fast, and you can go to almost anywhere in the world with US support for 90 days. Private health insurance here is much more complicated. Who is naive?.

Posted by: mpmurphy1 | October 10, 2009 9:06 PM

Astrogal ~ having spent a number of years as a bureaucrat chasing down deadbeats who didn't pay Uncle Sam what they'd promised to pay, I assure you that you are much safer now in the hands of the insurance company drudges than in the hands of any government employee.

Remember, in your disputes over money with a private firm you go first to civil court.

When you mess with Uncle Sam you will go to a federal criminal court FIRST!

Frankly, I can't believe how terribly naive you people are.

Posted by: muawiyah | October 10, 2009 8:20 PM

We only know one thing for sure. The feds will mandate health care, provide some of our money to the states, and force the states to further tax us to pay for the rest. Then, when people complain, they will point their finger at the states, it’s not us, it’s them.

I predict costs will skyrocket each year. Let’s postalize our health care. I am used to waiting in line at the PO, now I can wait even longer to get my pain pill instead of the operation 2 years from now.

Mass: In February 2008 the Boston Globe reported that Commonwealth Care covered 169,000 people and had a projected cost of $618 million for the fiscal year. By June 2011 enrollment is projected to grow to 342,000 people at an annual expense of $1.35 billion. The original projections were for the program to ultimately cover approximately 215,000 people at a cost of $725 million.[43]

Whatever numbers politicians are spewing, those numbers will be a drop in the proverbial bucket 2-3 years from now. Remember, giving health care to 47 million will not cost a dime.

Posted by: pervleft | October 10, 2009 6:18 PM

mpmurphy1

My comments ref mass were not posted in response to your post.

Posted by: pervleft | October 10, 2009 6:08 PM

While this might undermine the republicans currently in power and slow their ability to address current problems in this country (and therefore receive credit for these fixes), does anyone REALLY believe that this wild and angry health insurance flight from reality will help our country in the long term? How ever you feel about the size of government, do you really want politicians ignoring facts that they don't like and making decisions that affect your life based on emotion and fear of "the other side"?

Posted by: pervleft | October 10, 2009 6:03 PM

Great Moments in Socialized Medicine

"A grandmother dying of ovarian cancer was sent home five times by medics who said her crippling pain was caused by trapped wind," London's Daily Mail reports:
Barbara Collins, 68, was bed ridden for months with agonising pain and bowel problems, classic signs of the killer disease, but sent home with only laxatives.
The mother of four was correctly diagnosed with ovarian cancer a staggering four months after her first visit to Manchester Royal Infirmary, and died 10 days later.
Mrs Collins' family criticised the medics, who they say made her feel like a nuisance.

She could have survived if only her cancer had been diagnosed sooner, they claim.
But the joke's on them.

As former Enron adviser Paul Krugman notes, "In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false."

Posted by: pervleft | October 10, 2009 6:00 PM

In no way do I believe in mandatory health insurance. Mandatory doesn't sound like liberty. My previous post, pervleft, was not a blanket endorsement for a faulty short-lived state program like the one run from Boston. The call for health insurance reform does not demand that one follow the Massachusetts model nor the Bismarkian model. Neither Massachusetts nor Germany (in the 1870s or now) have the resources of the United States federal government, so we just don't know. The call for health care reform objects to the status quo. We can send men to the moon and search for water there, but we can't figure this out? Bizarre and lamentable, that's all. I won't waste space here with more anecdotes about costs already incurred.

Posted by: mpmurphy1 | October 10, 2009 5:56 PM

The health-care reform bill is a trojan horse -- inside is socialism!

Posted by: wyattnev | October 10, 2009 5:36 PM

Massachusetts, remember them? Mandatory health insurance? Even with us/US taxpayers paying for mass insurance, they cannot make it. Maybe the kennedy family would make a donation.

In March 2008 the Boston Globe reported that some "safety-net" hospitals serving low-income individuals in urban areas were facing budget shortfalls due to the combination of reduced "free-care" payments from the state and low enrollment in Commonwealth Care. The reduced state payments anticipated that by reducing the number of uninsured people Commonwealth Care would reduce the amount of charity care provided by hospitals.[45]

In a subsequent story that same month the Globe reported that Commonwealth Care faced a short-term funding gap of $100 million and the need to obtain a new three-year funding commitment from the federal government of $1.5 billion. The Globe reported that a number of alternatives were under consideration for raising additional funding, including a $1 per pack increase in the state's cigarette tax. Health care costs in the state were rising at an annual rate of 10 percent, and the state budget deficit was $1.3 billion.[46]

Posted by: pervleft | October 10, 2009 5:30 PM

REPUBLICANS? share those drugs. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger of California and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg came out in support of reform,

these 2 are not even RINOs. and hussein will not support the black demoncrat running vs bloomberg for his 3rd, and illegal, term.

Posted by: pervleft | October 10, 2009 5:05 PM

Bismarck provided health care and pensions to German citizens well over a hundred years ago. And believe me, he was conservative... he even did so as a way to quiet the socialists. ("I stole their thunder" he said.) Yet, we, the greatest nation in the world, still can't figure health care out?

Health care today is robbery, as insurance companies act like (rich) hyenas preying on the weak. Nobody knows exactly how reform will play out, but we desperately need it. Critics argue in counterfactuals—what "might" happen—— which have no grounding in reality, because the US has never had a government-sponsored health insurance plan (like Bismark's). Therefore, nobody knows, so we all must speculate. What I do know is that I shelled out $2K in medical bills, because my provider claims that a "lapse" occurred in the same coverage" I've had since 2004. Now do I need to pay a lawyer? Better ways exist to inject money into the economy. If i get health care in exchange for taxes, fair deal.

And to those opponents who think that fiscal conservatism is their hallmark, check your facts, Reagan himself multiplied the deficit, big time... and for what? Freedom fighters in Central America? The preamble of the Constitution neither denies nor grants authority to the Federal government, but it does call for the "general welfare" of the American people. Let's work on that.

Posted by: mpmurphy1 | October 10, 2009 4:09 PM

JOHN STUART MILL
A party of order or stability, and a party of progress or reform, are both necessary elements of a healthy state of political life.
'Ib.'

Posted by: edtroyhampton | October 10, 2009 3:21 PM

bluemoon46, I have never, ever had any problem what-so-ever with any of the many insurance firms that have covered my family and me over the years, and personally, I have had close to $300,000.00 worth of paid out medical expenses in my lifetime. And my spouse has a condition that requires monthly care that is all but paid for -- no questions asked.

By the way, I'm not a government employee. I presently have fairly inexpensive, good old run-of-the-mill insurance, paid for by my employer and me.

Posted by: JAH3 | October 10, 2009 1:58 PM
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Most likely you and bluemoon live in different states with different mandates for the insurance providers who work in those states.

What is covered in your state may not be covered in bluemoon's.

Many people don't realize that it is the state that mandates what will be covered, not the insurance companies. No insurance company would be stupid enough to provide more coverage than the state mandates.

This is why a standardized regulation of the insurance industry at the national level (superceding all state regulations) is all that is really needed to begin the process of ensuring everyone can afford insurance that covers all reasonable claims with limited out of pocket expenses. It can be done within a short time frame without adding to the deficit or increasing taxes.

Americans are starting to figure this out and realize we do not need a massive ego-stroking social experiment that will cost $900B - just to get started when simple legislation will do the same thing.

Posted by: asmith1 | October 10, 2009 3:08 PM

Why is the media mindlessly endorsing Government propaganda? If they say something is true that does not make it true and the odds are that the need for them to make such a statement suggests that it is not true. The media is supposed to point that sort of thing out because mindlessly accepting the Government's word is not in the public's interest.

Posted by: fallsmeadjc | October 10, 2009 2:14 PM

And forget about retired republicans. What about those CURRENt Democratic Governors who oppose the bill because they say it bankrupt their states because the Feds are digusining the true cose of the plan to the country by passing much of the costs onto the states?


Posted by: dummypants | October 10, 2009 2:13 PM

Dream on. These clowns are not true conservatives, just wannabe democrats. Anyone who votes for this dog will be voted out of office.

Posted by: DaMan2 | October 10, 2009 2:11 PM

For months we've been hearing "the tide is turning", and "health care gaining momentum".

All along, the question has been whether Democrats can convince their own caucus that these ideas are a solution and not a pandora's box of unintended consequences.

They havent done it so far, and with 30 Senate Democrats signing a "public-option only" pledge last week (more than enough to stop a bill, but no where near enough to pass a bill) its obvious that Democrats are divided as ever on what the best ideas for reform really are.

there is going to be a lot of arm twisting, infighting, and disapointed liberals, all for a bill comes nowhere close to creating universal coverage and nets, at best, 60 votes.

can you say: D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R?

Posted by: dummypants | October 10, 2009 2:07 PM

bluemoon46, I have never, ever had any problem what-so-ever with any of the many insurance firms that have covered my family and me over the years, and personally, I have had close to $300,000.00 worth of paid out medical expenses in my lifetime. And my spouse has a condition that requires monthly care that is all but paid for -- no questions asked.

By the way, I'm not a government employee. I presently have fairly inexpensive, good old run-of-the-mill insurance, paid for by my employer and me.
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From my standpoint, the motives for health care reform aren't what they seem. It's an unseemly political stunt to garner more power and to split the middle class voting block.

Posted by: JAH3 | October 10, 2009 1:58 PM

This is the only developed country in the world where people go bankrupt and even die because of medical bills.

When Obama is done, without one Republican vote, NO AMERICAN will go bankrupt or die because of medical bills.

And the tards will still hate him.

Posted by: ottoparts | October 10, 2009 1:51 PM

Sweet Baby Jesus save us from the BEAURICRATS!!!!!

Hahahaha are there any non-retarded Republicans left?

Posted by: ottoparts | October 10, 2009 1:49 PM

I am frankly getting tired of him. He has become part of the problem rather than the solution.

Posted by: kevin1231 | October 10, 2009 1:43 PM

Ouch to this comment, having spent countless hours on the phone with insurance company reps. Please ask neighbors and others about their experiences of late trying to get insurance to cover routine medical care. Such roadblocks to even basic care. In other words, bureaucrats "making decisions on our care." That's what is happening now to so many people.

Posted by: bluemoon46 | October 10, 2009 9:31 AM

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You are aware I trust that your state mandates the guidelines by which the insurance providers that are allowed to provide coverage in your state must operate?

When you accepted your policy did you even bother to check to see what coverage you bought and how that compares with what is mandated by your state?

If you refuse to take ownership of your own health insurance by failing to understand what you bought, you may be in a for rude awakening if you think the goverment is going to do any better.

How many other contracts do you enter into without bothering to read or understand before signing off?

Posted by: asmith1 | October 10, 2009 1:37 PM

Unless they are supportive of a public option then they are just supporting the profit locomotive gone loco that is raping and pillaging our country at the moment.
We are suffering from double jeopardy having their lobbying and campaign contributions added to our bills and then having to try to contribute campaign and lobbyist money to have our point of view fairly represented too. I'm tired of this as much as I am tired of paying cable tv for the commercials pointed directly at me, in fact, sometimes comnercials for the very service I already pay for.

Posted by: Wildthing1 | October 10, 2009 1:31 PM

althill104: Wonderful post.

Obviously though, Capitol Hill and the WH could care less about the US middle class or what they're posting.

Posted by: JAH3 | October 10, 2009 1:31 PM

Astrogal said it best:

"I would much rather have public-spirited and publicly paid career civil servants process my health claims than health insurance bureaucrats!"

And they also don't make millions a year for rationing your health care the way insurance company execs do. Nor do they need to spend billions in senseless advertising that produces NO good OR service for ANYONE.

Single payer health care would be a much more efficient alternative to the current mafia skimming operations known as the health insurance industry.

I wish Republicans could do basic math so that they would realize this. Alas, they are what they are. Cognitively-impaired people just sitting there drooling in front of their TV sets, waiting for Glenn Beck to tell them when to screech and hop like trained lower primates.

Posted by: B2O2 | October 10, 2009 1:22 PM

Republicans who sign this bill (that they did not propose) will, indeed, be signing themselves out of office...much like the Dems who might also enlist.

Posted by: nosam32 | October 10, 2009 1:17 PM

Good analysis. Indeed, it seems like the ONLY people who are against Obama's health care reform are those who are against it simply because they want to see him have a political defeat.

In other words, America's health is just a political football for these people, rather than caring about people actually having affordable health care.

I find that extremely sad.

Posted by: B2O2 | October 10, 2009 1:12 PM

"President Obama cites support for Health Reform from Republicans".

As an independent I can't speak for Republicans but they have ALWAYS supported health care reform.

What they oppose is Obama's half a trillion dollar attack on Medicare and his refusal to allow tort reform into the bill.

I'm guessing that President Obama can count the number of Republican senators who support his health care reform on one finger.

In the House, it's not even THAT popular.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | October 10, 2009 1:10 PM

"President Obama cites support for Health Reform from Republicans".

As an independent I can't speak for Republicans but they have ALWAYS supported health care reform.

What they oppose is Obama's half a trillion dollar attack on Medicare and his refusal to allow tort reform into the bill.

I'm guessing that President Obama can count the number of Republican senators who support his health care reform on one finger.

In the House, it's not even THAT popular.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | October 10, 2009 1:09 PM

The President's biggest problem in getting a bill passed appears to be dealing with Democrats who are less than happy with some of the bill's compromises. Whether or not Republicans vote for the bill, it is essentially bipartisan. It is strongly in the President's interests to make sure that reality gets across to voters. Centrist Democrats should have no political problem in voting for this bill. The difficult political choice is for Republicans under pressure to vote against a bill they know is good for their constituents just because the Republican party hopes to find an advantage by promoting partisan politics and polarizing the electorate with scare tactics.

Posted by: dnjake | October 10, 2009 1:08 PM

RealityBeatsPerception needs to move to one of those other "first world" countries! We don't need those with his devisive & vitriolic attitude here in the World's BEST COUNTRY!

Posted by: dhbrown52 | October 10, 2009 1:02 PM

Did O'Bomba-Nation have some extra Lab Coats for them to dress up in too?

This Con-Man is not fooling me!

He could care less about anyone's Health!

It is the Insurance Companies, and the Unionization/Socialization of the nation's Sixth largest industry he and his cohorts in Organized Crime(Big Labor) are after!

As Nancy said:

America;

Just say NO!

Posted by: SAINT---The | October 10, 2009 12:55 PM

Republicans fail to understand that all those pesky "other people" out there won't just "die quietly"

The American people need and want Universal health care, just like the rest of the "first world" has.

Life is our most basic right.

Republicans are so greedy and cheap that they'll do anything to stop sick Americans, including sick and dying American Kids, from being able to get access to medical care.

Republicans fought tooth snd nail to kill SCHIP and lots of American Kids with it.

That shows the kind of people that they are.

That says it all.


Posted by: RealityBeatsPerception | October 10, 2009 12:51 PM

It's great that Bill Frist is supporting President Obama's health reform. Without the support of HCA that Frist owns it is likely the package would not pass. It will not pass if HCA advertises against it, and HCA will do so if President Obama is not able to corral Democrats into stopping public option or any cost containment for these for-profit hospitals, as President Obama has already agreed to privately with Frist. In return, we can expect Frist and HCA to be cleared in the current SEC investigation of his takeover of the corporation and the accusations they fraudulently billed for up to 120,000 nursing shifts not actually performed by the nurses they have been laying off.

Posted by: joeshuren1 | October 10, 2009 12:47 PM

I just listened to Bill Frist the other day and to say he supports Pres.Obamas healthcare reform is more than a stretching of the truth. If that is any indication of the rest of what he says it does not reflect well on his truthfulness.

Posted by: saw1 | October 10, 2009 12:43 PM

If you like some insurance company bureaucrat dictating your health care then oppose the President. If you like insurance companies cheating their customers and getting away with it oppose the President. If you like third world health care where insurance company death panels fight to delay treatment hoping you die then oppose the President.

Posted by: orange3 | October 10, 2009 12:24 PM

Yes, and Chicago got the 2016 Olympics!!! These people are completely deluded.

Posted by: A1965bigdog | October 10, 2009 12:19 PM

I would much rather have public-spirited and publicly paid career civil servants process my health claims than health insurance bureaucrats! Those insurance characters are out to cut coverage, reduce and deny claims, and increase the profits of their companies, not take care of people and improve the health of the American public.

Having just been through a hospitalization, I can tell you that having to then deal with mounds of paperwork, mis-billing, and mis-information from insurance companies is the last thing one wants to do--or should have to do. It's inefficient, wastes time, is costly, unhealthful and unhelpful, etc. Give me single-payer health care (yes, government run) any day of the week and shut down the insurance companies!

Posted by: Astrogal | October 10, 2009 12:18 PM

Nobody I know will vote a REPUBLICAN OR BLUE DOG FOR DOG CATCHER if this Bill passes....The "DRIBBLE" is just to prepare you that they intend to CRAM IT DOWN YOUR THROAT in the sneakiest , most underhanded way they can . .... That's the DEMOCRAT way... Whatever enriches the ISLAMO FACIST AGENDA AND PLEASES THEIR MARXIST little black hearts

Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | October 10, 2009 12:10 PM

As Reagan would say, here we go again. Obama is stretching the truth (is that the same as lying?) Dr. Frist and Sen. Dole support "reform", but not exactly the "reform" that is being pushed by Obama (with a public option) or even the Baucus version that is being proposed. Same with Schwarzenegger who expressed desire for "reform" in the vaguest of terms and has not committed to the massive increase in taxes that it implies. here we go again, Obama "you lie", or sorry I apologize, Obama you are not being honest (will that do?)

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | October 10, 2009 11:47 AM

Just like the other institutions from which the Obama Thugocracy purchased support (AARP, AMA, Big Pharma, etc.) Frist sold out in order to sell his new book, Dole sold out to keep his lobbying revenue stream and, of course, Schwarzenegger and Bloomberg never had any conservative credibility. The Mafia could learn from the Obama Thugocracy.

Posted by: JeffersonJohn1 | October 10, 2009 11:44 AM

Obama lives in a wonderland of words.

Posted by: delusional1 | October 10, 2009 11:36 AM

TexRancher's got an unshakeable faith in the good will of a bunch of insurance and Big Pharma executives who are all desperately trying to get rich. I don't know about you, but that's not a group I'd trust with my scalp.

Ever notice, Tex, that it's 'For Profit', not 'For People'.

Private sector types aren't bad folks, but they're not focused on you the patient. They're obsessed with numbers on a spreadsheet.

In fact, they never even see you. Talk about faceless bureaucrats.

Look at it this way: at the very top of a big insurance firm, or a drug manufacturer, or a for-profit hospital chain, sits a bunch of guys and gals who would really rather be on Wall Street earning those ginormous bonuses from Goldman Sachs.

You didn't know that?

I guess you can't see them from that ranch in Texas. But they're there.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 10, 2009 10:25 AM

TexRancher, you're on the wrong side of your own arguments! You don't want bureaucrats making decisions about your health care? Have you actually used your insurance in the past 20 years? Have you asked your doctor who calls the shots in his/her practice?

You also said, "We can longer have confidence in our healthcare CONTRACTS because Obama can waltz in and wipe them out." I don't know who insures you but I get notices in my mailbox from the mighty Blue Cross Blue Shield on a regular basis telling me that services that were covered in the contract I signed with them years ago are no longer covered or that the level of coverage has changed. None of these routine notices has been preceded by a phone call to say, "We would like to renegotiate change in a clause in your contract. BCBS simply reduces my coverage at will whenever they wish and tells me my premium remains the same and to take it or leave it. Is this the kind of fair, ethical contracting you are so adamant to preserve?

Posted by: exco | October 10, 2009 10:04 AM

OH NO! Someone alert our Glorious Leader, Obama, so that he can have the FBI intervene...

TexRancher has figured out the truth. Democrats HATE the Constitution, and the REAL goal of the majority of Americans who support healthcare reform is to destroy that horrible document!

...Come on... REALLY?... Do conservatives really want to continue down the path of the Bush years, giving up any pretense of critical thinking or rational basis to their arguments, and instead relying on fear mongering and paranoia, demonizing their opponents and accusing them of being unpatriotic (even when they make up the majority of the country)?

Conservatism used to pride itself in its intellectual underpinnings. Now it's all "birthers" and conspiracy theorists, making wild, unfounded accusations denying any conflicting evidence, and screaming that everyone else is lying.

While this might undermine the Democrats currently in power and slow their ability to address current problems in this country (and therefore receive credit for these fixes), does anyone REALLY believe that this wild and angry flight from reality will help our country in the long term? How ever you feel about the size of government, do you really want politicians ignoring facts that they don't like and making decisions that affect your life based on emotion and fear of "the other side"?

Posted by: dancingmantis | October 10, 2009 9:59 AM

The Constitution was made for the people not the people for the Constitution. Change is important and needed now. Tow very disturbing notions here:

1. Status Quo - The United States of America was formulated by breaking form the Status Quo, England. That spirit was intended to bring change fo the betterment of the people.

2. Fear, Distrust, Distortion - Opposition to Healthcare rform use these mechanisms to justify their position. Big Insurane companies oppose the reform (I wonder why). The biggest fear is that Less money will go into the pockets of the rich and more money will be available for research, and making the average American healthier.

Healthcare reform will not give control to government. It would give the control back to the people. That's the spirit of the Constitution.

Posted by: preacherman120022002 | October 10, 2009 9:42 AM

We don't want some beauricrat making decisions on our care. If there are problems with the current system then they can be fixed.

Ouch to this comment, having spent countless hours on the phone with insurance company reps. Please ask neighbors and others about their experiences of late trying to get insurance to cover routine medical care. Such roadblocks to even basic care. In other words, bureaucrats "making decisions on our care." That's what is happening now to so many people.

Bringing in the Constitution this way is a path to scare people but doesn't reflect reality. But if we could come together and really listen and find out, we would learn that right now in reality the insurance companies are doing real harm to Americans. Why not come together as Americans to stick up for one another and demand that our corporations and so-called nonprofits actually serve Americans and not the wealthy owners and directors? We could all have much better lives without all the groundless, kneejerk hatred and wretched back-and-forth politics that poison this country instead of healing it.

Posted by: bluemoon46 | October 10, 2009 9:31 AM

GOP support outside of the Congress does not mean squat!! The 4 (not several) he mentioned are DOA in the GOP. I am getting tired of all of this dribble coming forth from the White House. Pass the damn bill, in whatever form you can manage to, then watch what happens between that moment in time and 2013/14 when it would take effect. Talk about "hope and change", just wait and see what happens when the taxpaying population figures out how to really lobby for what they want.

Posted by: althill104 | October 10, 2009 9:26 AM

Our opposition to this bill isn't political! It's about control. We don't want some beauricrat making decisions on our care. If there are problems with the current system then they can be fixed. A whole new government involvement in our lives isn't the way to go!
How can we trust anybody pushing this fraud with all the lies and misrepresentations by "The One" himself. What is not lost on us is the FACT that with this healthcontrol bill those who ARE satisfied with their healthcare programs will lose them as a result of government interference!
We can longer have confidence in our healthcare CONTRACTS because Obama can waltz in and wipe them out. Where is that allowed in the Constitution? In fact where is any of this power play allowed in it? That's why Democrats aren't reading it; they don't care about the health issue!
This is more about destroying the Constitution than taking care of the people! That's reason enough to fight it!

Posted by: TexRancher | October 10, 2009 7:25 AM

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