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44 The Obama Presidency

Biden calls Cheney "absolutely wrong"

By Scott Wilson
Vice President Biden said Friday that his predecessor, Richard B. Cheney, is "absolutely wrong" in accusing President Obama of "dithering" over a decision to expand the war effort in Afghanistan.

"I think what the administration is doing is exactly what we said it would do, and what I think it warrants doing," Biden told reporters traveling with him aboard Air Force Two on his visit to Eastern Europe. "And that is making an informed judgment based upon circumstances that have changed... to come up with a sustainable policy that has more than one dimension."

Obama has been reviewing a request from Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, for tens of thousands of additional troops. He has said he expects to announce his decision in the coming weeks.

In a speech this week, Cheney suggested that Obama's timeline was jeopardizing the safety of the more than 60,000 U.S. soldiers and marines already in Afghanistan.

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs responded that Cheney and other Bush administration officials allowed Afghanistan troop requests to sit for months during their last year in office.

Biden, who traveled in January to Afghanistan at Obama's request, said the policy review that the previous administration left for this one has been overtaken by events.

"A whole lot has changed in the last year," Biden said. "Let's assume they left us a review that was absolutely correct. Is that review relevant and totally applicable to today in light of the changes that have taken place in the region, in Afghanistan itself? So I think that is sort of irrelevant. Not sort of - I think it's irrelevant."

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VPOTUS: I'll bet you Cheney (and leave-behinds) knows all about this "application of force."


Posted by: scrivener50 | October 25, 2009 4:25 PM

Where is Colin Powell these days?

He's raking in the dough speaking at the quasi-religious Peter and Tamara Lowe's GET MOTIVATED! seminars.

Posted by: TigerPaw1 | October 24, 2009 8:18 PM

Cheney's demeanor is that of someone who expects you to assume he is so experienced and informed due to his international business accumen and age, that he should not have to suffer having his judgement or motives questioned by the rest of us peons. Too bad, the guys judgement is seriously flawed, and his ethics are virtuously non-existent, except for an enduring loyalty to his fellow crooks.

Chickenhawk-Cheney should be awarded first place on world's dumbest criminals.

Attacking other countries only appears to be national jingoistic idiots. After nine months of his and Bush's administration, America suffered its worst teerorist attack ever. Obama has obviously done a better job of protecting the country.

Cheney's continued intransigence will be used against him when all is revealed.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 24, 2009 12:16 PM

On the Cheney 'musings' I am tone deaf.

For someone who never served in the army- does not see the need do away with a volunteer army, so that his grandsons will be forced to serve, among other things, where does he get the guts to be giving 'free advice?" Talk about gaul?

Posted by: Victoria5 | October 24, 2009 12:00 PM




Thousands of unjustly targeted Americans are being damaged by the devastating physiological effects of being silently irradiated by microwave and laser radiation "directed energy weapons"...

...the weaponization of the electromagnetic spectrum, a silent "final solution" that may have the nation's political leadership in its ideological cross-hairs.

This technology is capable of altering moods, emotions, inducing fatigue, weakness, exhaustion, confusion, life-altering injury, disease and a slow-kill death.

And key elements of the Obama administration -- chief among them the defense/security/intel establishment -- are proliferating these technologies by various modalities, reported to include terrestrial and satellite electromagnetic microwave/laser emissions -- in one iteration, disguised as cell towers.

American citizens and families targeted by this covert torture matrix also are subject to financial sabotage that decimates their livelihoods and financial resources...

...and relentless "community stalking" -- harassment, surreptitious home entries and vandalism by government-enabled vigilantes affiliated with federally-funded community policing and anti-terrorism organizations.

Warrantless, covert placement of GPS tracking devices and misuse of cell phone technology to hunt down the unjustly targeted enables this grassroots terrorism.

But the Obama administration continues to allow these warrantless intrusions into the lives of unjustly targeted American families.

By its naivete -- its unquestioning rubber-stamp approval of the deployment of these destructive technologies and programs -- the Obama administration risks presiding over the destruction of democracy, the rule of law, and personal liberty.


BAN the use of microwave/laser directed energy weapons on U.S. citizens or any human being as cruel and unusual and a crime against humanity.

BAN the warrantless tracking of individuals with GPS devices, or via cell phones -- the electronic backbone of an American Gestapo now operating on YOUR watch.

The bureaucratic saboteurs and Dr. Strangeloves behind these multi-agency crimes against humanity and the Constitution must be removed from power, immediately, before this silent genocide claims more victims -- endangering the Obama presidency while making a mockery of the rule of law.

OR (if link is corrupted/disabled): RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 24, 2009 11:50 AM

@TexRancher: Mind introducing me to your pharmacist? Cheney got his first and only private-sector job in *1995*, as a Halliburton exec. Before that, you're looking at Nothing but draft deferments and party hacking.
"All hat and no cattle" is cute. This Yankee just calls your post bulls#!t.

Posted by: redlineblue | October 24, 2009 11:39 AM

Let's make it a movie: The Battle of the Titanic Morons.

Posted by: icmop911 | October 24, 2009 11:18 AM

The easy way for Biden to prove that Bush/Cheney messed up is to release the report that Cheney referred too.

Until then I must believe Cheney is correct.

Posted by: mwhoke | October 24, 2009 11:13 AM

Sleeping pilots in the White House. Cheney told it exactly as it was and the proof is available. Biden is a nice honest guy, surrounded by Obamathugs, and could not come up with any excuses,just platitudes.

Posted by: mharwick | October 24, 2009 10:51 AM

My GOD! Any criticism of this pres and his cronies and they always, ALWAYS, FREAKING ALWAYS point the finger at the last administration.

Yeah, Doofusses, the last administration SUCKED, that's why you're now in office, so could you please get off your collected arses and DO SOMETHING? Instead of freaking finger point?

YOU'RE the president now, Mr. Obama, not G.W. Bush, so quit looking behind you and start DOING SOMETHING! Start taking accountability of YOURSELVES for not DOING ANYTHING!

Posted by: thebloddletting | October 24, 2009 10:25 AM

Please continue to let Cheney, Rush, Bachman, Palin be the face and mouth of
the Republican Party. I understand that 20% of Americans with diminished capacity will fervently support them, but the other 80% should see them for what they are:
Sick, bigoted,lame sub humans!

Posted by: rosenfan1 | October 24, 2009 8:49 AM

Biden knows so much. He's never had a real job in his life; he's been a politician since he was 29 so he's not burdened with experience that comes from working in the real world! Cheney has only spent many years working in the private sector running companies and creating jobs.
In Texas we have a saying about guys like Biden: He's all hat and no cattle"!

Posted by: TexRancher | October 24, 2009 7:43 AM

I've seen some comments here where some are wondering why Cheney still wields so much power among Republicans after being such an utter disaster for the future of the Republican Party.

We should all remember that in 1999, Dick Cheney was asked to interview all Republicans who thought they should be Vice President. Cheney encouraged them to tell him every single little secret they harbored, no matter how big or small.

And then he was handed the power of the Presidency by the low-watt cheerleader who won the election.

All intelligent Americans have a civic responsibility to laugh Dick Cheney and his record of miserable failure off the national and international stage.

Posted by: freespeak | October 24, 2009 7:13 AM

when is Cheney going to see his 'death throes ' ?

someone send him duck hunting with Bush.

Posted by: ripley8 | October 24, 2009 12:41 AM

Cheney is following the NEOCON PSYOP campaign, crafted by Rumsfeld's Office of Special Plans.

Posted by: whocares666 | October 23, 2009 11:31 PM

Miller 123 is right. This does prove who was running the White House. Where is Colin Powell these days? And Condoleeza Rice? still licking their wounds? loyal to the death? watching their backsides? why aren't they out there spilling the beans. they owe it to us, the ones their bosses bankrupted and sent to dethrone the king of torture, Cheney's mideastern equal who COULD control terrorists, Sadaam Hussein.

Posted by: UsedToBeGOP | October 23, 2009 11:18 PM

Cheney ought to start offering advice to hostile foreign governments, and leave our own government alone already- he's long since done more to uck it fup than any other person in history.

Posted by: psst_limbaugh_keep-ranting_satan | October 23, 2009 11:17 PM

Perhaps I'm a few news cycles behind, but it appears to me that Obama was waiting for new elections to be called in Afghanistan, and for Karzai to agree to new elections, before any public pronouncement is made on changes to troop levels, whether higher or lower.

My neighbors' son, a good friend of my own son, is awaiting deployment for his first tour as a Marine. We're certain he's heading to Afghanistan, so this is not an abstract consideration for us as it is for Cheney.

What we can't fathom is who inside the Beltway lionizes Cheney? Who thinks that torture is/was acceptable? Who thinks that pre-emptive wars are a good policy?

For that matter, who thinks that "deficits don't matter" to quote Cheney.

Posted by: boscobobb | October 23, 2009 10:25 PM

"A whole lot has changed in the last year," Biden said. "Let's assume they left us a review that was absolutely correct. Is that review relevant and totally applicable to today in light of the changes that have taken place in the region, in Afghanistan itself? So I think that is sort of irrelevant. Not sort of - I think it's irrelevant."

Gee, I thought the Obama administration had inherited a mess and they were just mopping the floor. Now, VP Biden tells us that everything's new and different, and anything the Bushies did or said about Afghanistan "is sort of irrelevant". I guess that kinda lets W off the hook, doesn't it?

So, when can we expect the Obama administration to stop blaming Bush for any and everything and start taking responsibility for its own actions (or, more accurately, inactions)?

Posted by: hoyatiger | October 23, 2009 10:17 PM

Should we have considered it "dithering" when the Bush administration failed to listen to the troops on the ground in Iraq who were looking for heavier armor on their Humvees to protect them from IED's?

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | October 23, 2009 9:54 PM

President Cheney's and his VP Bush's invasion of Iraq INSTEAD of Afghanistan!!!!!!!

Jeeze! Where did Justice for War Criminals go?

Posted by: lufrank1 | October 23, 2009 9:31 PM

Biden should not dignify blowhard Chaney with any response to the latter's endless bombastic ravings.

It is just unbelievable that this creep who slithered out of his military commitment using FIVE deferments has the unmitigated gall to portray himself as a military expert.

God! Why is Chaney still seeking the limelight? Doesn't he realize he's very lucky not to be in a cell for the crimes he and his puppet foisted on this country over the past eight years?

I need a bath after reading about this bum yet again today.

Posted by: mosthind | October 23, 2009 9:03 PM

Cheney not only shot someone else he just shot himself in the foot. Where was he during the last 7 years of the Afghanistan war?
He should have dither a little more before rushing off into the Iraq war.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 23, 2009 9:00 PM

Cheney is talking so much that its not difficult to see who was running the Whitehouse the whole time.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 23, 2009 8:48 PM

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